Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007

[klaasend]

http://www.gp-radar.com/concrete_x_ray.htm

As an alternative to concrete x-ray, ground penetrating radar can see through asphalt and concrete to detect subsurface objects and determine the condition and thickness of the material examined. Rather than concrete x-ray, GPR uses a noninvasive electromagnetic geophysical technique which has the highest resolution of any geophysical method. GPR (and not concrete x-ray) also uses scattering to image, locate and measure spot changes in the ground. Scattering results when an electromagnetic wave locates a change in electrical or magnetic subsurface material

[Rob]

Can that sonar really see through concrete?

I think it can see beneath hard dirt and even some rocks.. but concrete?

Does anyone know the answer to that?

Different frequencies can see to different depths. It is possible to see hard objects beneath the concrete but not fabric or plastic items. The best method is to remove the concrete then scan. In that case, you can not miss anything.

Thank you Spock.

How about just ripping up the concrete and carefully cracking it to see if anything is in there? Wouldn't that be the best way? old school? to make sure nothing is missed?

[Observer]

Can that sonar really see through concrete?

I think it can see beneath hard dirt and even some rocks.. but concrete?

Does anyone know the answer to that?

Different frequencies can see to different depths. It is possible to see hard objects beneath the concrete but not fabric or plastic items. The best method is to remove the concrete then scan. In that case, you can not miss anything.

I saw a show on this last year. GPR can see up to 10 feet below concrete to locate a body. My concern is that the backhoe used at the VDS property dug deeper than that.

[Anna]

Alright found the pic I was looking for with Joran and Koen..
I would guess and say Koen is 6'1 or so and Joran about 6'4..

I would guess Koen is up to about 310 and wears an XXXL.

I thought that was Anita .

******* seems to think Anita is also 6'1" as she is about the same height as Koen compared to Joran.   And yet we saw she is closer to Greta's height which is only around 5' to 5'2" tops.

Koen is NOT 6'1" and is short/medium height and very stocky and getting stockier.  The Kalpoes are prolly a little over 5" like maybe 5'6".

But Koen and Anita are about the same height compared to Joran.

[Rob]

Can that sonar really see through concrete?

I think it can see beneath hard dirt and even some rocks.. but concrete?

Does anyone know the answer to that?

Different frequencies can see to different depths. It is possible to see hard objects beneath the concrete but not fabric or plastic items. The best method is to remove the concrete then scan. In that case, you can not miss anything.

I saw a show on this last year. GPR can see up to 10 feet below concrete to locate a body. My concern is that the backhoe used at the VDS property dug deeper than that.

So the consensus is that it can see through concrete... it must not have revealed anything unusual.

Klaas' info seems to seal it.

[igsigs]

I would be interested to hear what others have to say about the search and will it lead anywhere...

The KLPD are taking this VERY serious. That is what i have heard, and that is what i believe. It is 2 years too late but if this case is in any way salvagable i think they will get it done.

[klaasend]

Koen looks taller to me than Anita:

[San]

Does anyone recall the name of the newsproducer woman that committed suicide?

Here is the link to the article about the producer who committed suicide.

http://www.scaredmonkeys.net/viewtopic.php?p=96986#96986

[Observer]

Alright found the pic I was looking for with Joran and Koen..
I would guess and say Koen is 6'1 or so and Joran about 6'4..

I would guess Koen is up to about 310 and wears an XXXL.

I thought that was Anita .

******* seems to think Anita is also 6'1" as she is about the same height as Koen compared to Joran.   And yet we saw she is closer to Greta's height which is only around 5' to 5'2" tops.

Koen is NOT 6'1" and is short/medium height and very stocky and getting stockier.  The Kalpoes are prolly a little over 5" like maybe 5'6".

But Koen and Anita are about the same height compared to Joran.

Yup I am convinced Joran is at least 6'3. No doubt in my mind..Where did I say anita was 6'1????If what you are saying is true than deepak would be under 5 feet tall..LOL!!
BTW:Satish is much taller than deepak..Anna Pics can be deceiving so you have to look at all of them as people slouch..etc.

[Rob]

Does anyone recall the name of the newsproducer woman that committed suicide?

Here is the link to the article about the producer who committed suicide.

http://www.scaredmonkeys.net/viewtopic.php?p=96986#96986

thank you San...

Igsigs- thank you too.

[Spock]

http://www.gp-radar.com/concrete_x_ray.htm

As an alternative to concrete x-ray, ground penetrating radar can see through asphalt and concrete to detect subsurface objects and determine the condition and thickness of the material examined. Rather than concrete x-ray, GPR uses a noninvasive electromagnetic geophysical technique which has the highest resolution of any geophysical method. GPR (and not concrete x-ray) also uses scattering to image, locate and measure spot changes in the ground. Scattering results when an electromagnetic wave locates a change in electrical or magnetic subsurface material

Excellent Klaas, very scientific.

[Observer]

Anna..LOL!! Koen is much taller than Anita..

[Anna]

*******,
It doesn't really matter how tall Joran is as relates to this crime but I believe n the photo you posted, he is actually sitting in Koen's lap is why he is so much taller.   Always touchy feely with the guys, ya know.  Not that there's anything wrong with that!

But this photo shows them the same height.  Can't tell from photos much.



Like the shoes, it is hard to tell from photos unless you have an known point of origin or reference.

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[Tylergal]

http://www.gp-radar.com/concrete_x_ray.htm

As an alternative to concrete x-ray, ground penetrating radar can see through asphalt and concrete to detect subsurface objects and determine the condition and thickness of the material examined. Rather than concrete x-ray, GPR uses a noninvasive electromagnetic geophysical technique which has the highest resolution of any geophysical method. GPR (and not concrete x-ray) also uses scattering to image, locate and measure spot changes in the ground. Scattering results when an electromagnetic wave locates a change in electrical or magnetic subsurface material

Excellent Klaas, very scientific.

Isn't GPR what (supposedly) the Dutch planes that flew over the the queen's pleasure    had and found nothing?

[yapperz1]

Evening Monkeys

About the search at the VDS dump..

In this video you hear Orando Salinas reporting from Aruba about the dogs used in the search. He plainly states he heard some of them bark. Cadaver/drug/search dogs DO NOT ALERT unless they detect something.
IMO they found something there.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jv4-VB_FvaY&mode=related&search=

1:05 into the video is where he starts talking about the dogs

[Rob]

Here is a video that shows just how easy it is to launch a boat on Aruba.

http://dabble.com/node/7513368

[Anna]

Koen looks taller to me than Anita:

Notice Joran has his arm around Koen's shoulder but Koen has his around Joran's waist.  I think the Sporter is sitting in Koen's lap.

Enlarge and look closer.

 

Not that there is anything wrong with that.

*******,

I'd go 6'3" as his max height as well.

And yes, I have been looking at his ugly photos for almost two years now just as you have.

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[igsigs]

Good chance that the KLPD have never seen a case labeled as *cold* that has so many lying suspects with contradictory statements. That is because a case like that is usually solved. Every liar and every lie presents an opportunity to find the truth.

Joran's problematic nature ensures that this case will remain *hot* for eternity. That is Aruba's nightmare...and they are just starting to figure that out.

[Anna]

Evening Monkeys

About the search at the VDS dump..

In this video you hear Orando Salinas reporting from Aruba about the dogs used in the search. He plainly states he heard some of them bark. Cadaver/drug/search dogs DO NOT ALERT unless they detect something.
IMO they found something there.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jv4-VB_FvaY&mode=related&search=

1:05 into the video is where he starts talking about the dogs

Yapperz,
I'd be very surprised if the cadaver dog and whatever the other one is bark to indicate a hit.  Most of them that I have seen work just sit down.  Or paw or do some silent indication of a hit depending on how they were trained but I don't think many of them bark.

Of course, these are Dutch dogs and might react differently or have been trained differently but most working dogs don't bark especially if hunting fugitives for instance, would alert them.

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[Anna]

Anna..LOL!! Koen is much taller than Anita..

And that's Freddie and not Deepak in that photo, too!