JonBenet Ramsey

[Foggy Dew]

I'm so glad this may go back to the police.  I don't agree that the "new" DNA absolves the Ramseys.  That DNA could have been on Patsy or John's clothing and transferred by them to Jonbenet.  Especially the DNA taken from her long johns. IMO.  An entirely new team should be assigned and allowed to work without interference from ANYONE's attorneys. IMO

Way back when my first instinct was that her brother killed her.  I wasn't convinced that "all" male relatives were tested as to their possible involvement in her untimely demise. 

The ransom note is still a bit problematic for me...but another side of me thinks a smart/observant young sibling w/an ax to grind could have come up w/the contents of that note.  Of course, the handwriting'd tell all (I think ?).  But I never heard way back when that handwriting was analyzed.

I'm so, so glad Boulder LE is re-opening the case.  No wee child should die w/out explanation/perp to live unscathed.

[always 1]

Are they going to reopen this case.  This was one of my favorites, and I have read every thing I could get my hands on.

[blurrymonkey]

Are they going to reopen this case.  This was one of my favorites, and I have read every thing I could get my hands on.

Yes, A1; at the presser yesterday they said they're no longer treating it as a cold case.  They've got a lot of good people on their task force assisting the police and will be meeting soon to get the ball rolling.  They emphasized that both the PD and the DA's office have a lot of other work to do, but they'll devote what time they can to this case and try to approach it fresh, leaving all the baggage behind.

[Hudsunn]

I was very immersed in this case years ago.  Been a while since I thought of it much, but it is good that they are going to look at it with fresh eyes.  Many old and cold cases do get solved eventually.  Wonder what John Ramsey thinks of this new development.  He was so at odds with the police, and I always thought he used his influence on the DA, Alex Hunter and on Hunter's protegee who followed him.  It will be interesting to see what they decide.  I never thought that the Ramseys could be exonerated, though. 

[MuffyBee]

http://www.kvue.com/news/national/80072907.html

JonBenet's father looking for leads in '96 slaying

Posted on December 24, 2009 at 1:11 PM

BOULDER, Colo. (AP) — The father of JonBenet Ramsey is making a public plea for help in finding his daughter's killer 13 years after she was found strangled in the basement of her family's Colorado home.

John Ramsey said in a statement Wednesday that he is asking people to share any suspicions they had or recollections of people acting strangely around the time the 6-year-old girl died.

JonBenet was found bludgeoned and strangled Dec. 26, 1996.

A former prosecutor said at the time that Ramsey and his wife, Patsy, were "under an umbrella" of suspicion, but authorities cleared them in 2007. Authorities said new DNA tests pointed to an unknown outsider.

Police continue to investigate the case.

Patsy Ramsey died from cancer in 2006.

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Information from: Daily Camera, http://**/

[sweetie_pi]

I sincerely hope I am posting this in the correct place, and that it is not a duplicate post, or duplicate information, if so please delete. I did use search first  I have not been on this forum since I broke my writing wrist. However, I came across an interesting story, update and nexus.

You have have heard that PATIENCE NOONEY VAN ZANDT atty for JOHN MARK KARR who "confessed" to "being there" at the JBR killings... (originally from Atlanta) - who reresented KARR in 2001 on child porn charges, and again, in 2006 when this reprsentation thrust her small alw firm into intl headlines, and on the Larry King show, was arrested a few days ago for breaking into a hotel's refrigerator in Mill Valley, CA, and stealing 6 yoplaits. She has updated her Facebook msgs as follows:

FROM FACEBOOK, THIS SUNDAY BEFORE THE NEWSPAPER ARTICLE:

Patience Nooney Van Zandt Hey folks! I will be out of touch, more or less, for about 90 days from today. I will be at the Marin Services for Women Residential Treatment Center, full-time, to try to get a handle on this damn alcohol/drug addiction problem that I have wrestled with for, what, about 8 years now. Anyway, if I can get contact info to y'all, I will. Otherwise, I will "see" you in 90 days or so. Wish me strength, please. PVZ.

Well that means at the time she represented KARR in 2006, she was addicted, and, the "for, what, about 8 years now" could mean that she was also "using" in 2001.

Of course, I am not her "friend" on FB, but her friends who she messaged don't have privacy set. You might want to quietly check that list out and tell me what you find that is a red flag.

At the time her representation was highly questioned. Very unprofessional statements to the press. She was not authorized t practice law in Colorado, but it didn't seem to faze her or anybody. It appeared to me this entire KARR situation was already "in the bag".  Sure enough Colorado duly returned KARR to face other child porn charges Sonoma County, where the compter files to indict him had in the mean time, suddenly disappeared... seems as though KARR had made the correct choice in "lawyer", huh?  It was interesting following the connections there. It seems to me there may be a lot more to the addicted lawyer, Van Zandt. Could I venture to surmise her handlers may have their hands full now?

I wish her a speedy recovery, knowing that a person is only as sick as their secrets.

[trimmonthelake]

http://**/news/ci_14450964#axzz0glNV9c4H
Boulder prosecutor, detective named to state cold-case team
Brackley: 'The one thing that all cold cases need is fresh ideas'
By Vanessa Miller Camera Staff Writer
Posted: 02/22/2010 07:46:34 PM MST
One of Boulder County's top prosecutors and a lead investigator for the Sheriff's Office have been appointed to a new statewide team of investigators charged with reviewing homicides and missing-person cases that have stumped law-enforcement agencies for years.

Ryan Brackley, first assistant to the Boulder County district attorney, and Boulder County Sheriff's Detective Steve Ainsworth have been named to the Colorado Bureau of Investigation's new 26-member cold-case review team, which met for the first time last week.

The team -- which includes investigators from state and local agencies, forensic pathologists, crime laboratory experts, prosecutors and behavior analysts -- will meet several times a year to review cold cases submitted by police departments and sheriff's offices across Colorado.

CBI Director Ron Sloan said the originating agency will present all the evidence and analysis to the team, which then will recommend follow-up steps that might help crack the case.

Read more: Boulder prosecutor, detective named to state cold-case team - Boulder Daily Camera http://**/news/ci_14450964#ixzz0glO9L5xY

[trimmonthelake]

http://www.kdvr.com/news/kdvr-police-ramsey-brother-txt,0,6492962.story?track=rss
Boulder Police meet with JonBenet Ramsey's now adult brother
Julie Hayden Reporter
September 20, 2010
DENVER - FOX31 News has learned that Boulder Police detectives recently met with Burke Ramsey, the brother of six year old JonBenet Ramsey, to talk with him about his sister's murder.

JonBenet Ramsey was found murdered in her family's Boulder home in December of 1996. Burke was 9 years old at the time.

He is now 23 and recently graduated from college. Sources tell Fox31 News that detectives traveled out of state in the past few weeks to re-interview Burke about the case.

Burke has never been considered a serious suspect, but he was in the house the night of the murder.

His parents claimed he was asleep. But at least some investigators are skeptical.

Some believe you can hear Burke's voice in the background of a 9-1-1 call Patsy Ramsey made to report her daughter had been kidnapped.

Shortly after that, Burke was sent to stay with a family friend. And hours later, his father found JonBenet's body in a basement room in the house.

Boulder Police are not commenting, except to say it is an open and active investigation.

video at link.

[Nut44x4]

I know his DNA didn't match, but that has never convinced me that he is innocent. He and Mommy have always been #1 suspects, imo.

[Babybear]

http://www.kdvr.com/news/kdvr-police-ramsey-brother-txt,0,6492962.story?track=rss
Boulder Police meet with JonBenet Ramsey's now adult brother
Julie Hayden Reporter
September 20, 2010
DENVER - FOX31 News has learned that Boulder Police detectives recently met with Burke Ramsey, the brother of six year old JonBenet Ramsey, to talk with him about his sister's murder.

JonBenet Ramsey was found murdered in her family's Boulder home in December of 1996. Burke was 9 years old at the time.

He is now 23 and recently graduated from college. Sources tell Fox31 News that detectives traveled out of state in the past few weeks to re-interview Burke about the case.

Burke has never been considered a serious suspect, but he was in the house the night of the murder.

His parents claimed he was asleep. But at least some investigators are skeptical.

Some believe you can hear Burke's voice in the background of a 9-1-1 call Patsy Ramsey made to report her daughter had been kidnapped.

Shortly after that, Burke was sent to stay with a family friend. And hours later, his father found JonBenet's body in a basement room in the house.

Boulder Police are not commenting, except to say it is an open and active investigation.

video at link.

Thanks for the above, Trim.  You're always on the ball finding these things.  I had heard something about it on FOX yesterday but was busy and didn't really know what was being said.  I always thought that Burke was too small and frail to have murdered JonBenet, but I could be wrong.  I don't think he could have slept through whatever was happening.  Maybe he jumped under the cover like Misty.  It was shortly after JonBenet was murdered that I got my first PC.  I wasn't feeling well and my husband had recently died.  My doctor told me to get a computer or a new husband.  You can see what I got.

I actually met John and Patsy Ramsey a few years later.  I spoke to them at length and I liked them a lot.  I never saw or spoke to them again, and really you can't determine a thing like that after one meeting, but still, I did like them and found them to be nice people.

I'm inclined to think that that man, can't remember his name, who committed suicide and had numerous pics of JB did kill her.  I know he lived nearby and had opportunity.  I don't think we'll ever know the truth of it.

[MuffyBee]

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/09/28/earlyshow/main6907384.shtml
Break Emerging in JonBenet Ramsey Case?
Expert: Boulder, Colo. Police Want to Talk to Her Brother, Now 23, Who Was Nine When She Was Killed, as Possible Witness
September 28, 2010

(CBS)   An expert on the JonBenet murder case says his sources confirm reports that investigators in Boulder, Colo. would like to speak again to her older brother, Burke Ramsey, in case he saw something at the time that could help them connect some newly-surfaced dots now.

Burke was nine when his little sister, a 6-year-old beauty pageant contestant, was slain in December 1996, in what went on to become one of the most famous unsolved killings in recent times.

He's now 23.

Lawrence Schiller, a contributor to The Daily Beast, founder of the Norman Mailer Writers Colony and author of one of the definitive books on the Ramsey case, "Perfect Murder, Perfect Town," told "Early Show" co-anchor Maggie Rodriguez Tuesday he called some sources in Boulder on Monday.

"They said the police had sent on their business cards and asked Burke, if his time permitted, if he could get in touch with them," Schiller said.


Rodriguez noted that the Ramsey family attorney tells "The Early Show" Burke hasn't been questioned yet.

Burke "was questioned and exonerated" in the aftermath of his sister's death, Rodriguez pointed out. Why would they be trying to question him again 14 years later?

"You have to remember," Schiller explained, "number one, he was 9 years old, a frail kid. Not very large in size. His sister was younger. There's a lot of evidence that has still been unexplained over the years. Footprints have been identified, but some have not. Handprints and palm prints have been identified in the room where her body was found. Some still not. In essence, the body was placed there. It wasn't dragged in. And then it was wrapped in a blanket.

"Now, if he was a witness to some event that night, something that may, in essence, now connect with something else, you have to remember, this murder took place in a community that was embarrassed by it. Wasn't prepared for it. Did not have a history of violence. The police are never going to give up on this case. There's no statute of limitation on murder."

"In other words," Rodriguez asked, "(probers) may have discovered some new evidence that wouldn't necessarily make (Burke) a suspect, but to which he could possibly speak?"

"That's correct," Schiller responded. "He was exonerated by DNA, by many, many methods that the police used at that point. But the question is, in his own mind now, this many years away, has he locked away the facts of this murder? Has he, in essence, put it in a room, closed the door, and doesn't want to think about it? So how helpful can he be? You know, just because questions are unanswered doesn't mean somebody is withholding the answer."

Schiller says it's not surprising that Boulder police are staying mum on the new reports and that the Ramsey family lawyer says Burke hasn't met with them again yet.

"If there is a real lead, nobody's gonna tell you about it!" Schiller exclaimed.

[trimmonthelake]

http://seamusoriley.blogspot.com/2010/09/did-ramseys-confess.html
Thursday, September 30, 2010
Did The Ramseys Confess?

[trimmonthelake]

http://www.aolnews.com/crime/article/go-reportedly-want-to-interview-jonbenet-ramseys-brother-burke/19654258

Author: Police Hope JonBenet's Brother May Yield Clues
Updated: 9 hours 11 minutes ago
(Sept. 29) -- The author of a book about the slaying of 6-year-old JonBenet Ramsey says police want to reinterview her brother, who was 9 when the young beauty queen was killed in 1996.

Burke Ramsey, now 23, graduated from Purdue University in Indiana last year and lives in Atlanta, according to his Facebook page.
He was exonerated by DNA testing after JonBenet was strangled in the Ramsey family home in Boulder, Colo., but authorities are reportedly hoping that he may remember additional details.

Lawrence Schiller, author of a book about the Ramsey case titled "Perfect Murder, Perfect Town," told CBS's "The Early Show" on Tuesday that his sources had told him police were hoping to question the young man.

"They said the police had sent on their business cards and asked Burke, if his time permitted, if he could get in touch with them," Schiller said.

Boulder police refused today to confirm the report.

"We are not going to publicly reveal details about the investigation unless doing so would further the needs of the investigation," Police Chief Mark Beckner said in a statement.
fter a seven-year hiatus, Boulder police became involved in the case again last year, creating a task force to review details and make recommendations. Beckner said at that time that advances in DNA testing and linguistics technology might help solve the case. He said agencies participating in the task force were the FBI, the Colorado  Bureau of Investigation, the Colorado attorney general's office, the Denver district attorney's office, and the Boulder County and Jefferson County sheriff's departments.

FBI spokesman Dave Joly told AOL News today that he had not heard of any developments in the case. Ramsey could not be reached for comment. His phone number is unlisted.

Last year, Beckner said authorities had investigated 140 people as potential suspects. He said in his statement today that based on recommendations from the task force, there has been additional contact with those who may have information pertaining to the case. Authorities refused to elaborate.

JonBenet was found bludgeoned and strangled in the basement of her family's house on Dec. 26, 1996. A ransom note seeking $118,000 was also found in the 7,000-square-foot home.
Boulder, an affluent community 35 miles northwest of Denver, was shaken by the crime, the only murder in 1996. Initially, prosecutors said JonBenet's parents, John and Patsy, were under "an umbrella of suspicion." A grand jury refused to indict them, but they weren't officially cleared until 2008.

Patsy Ramsey died in June 2006 of ovarian cancer. Less than two months later, John Mark Karr, a 41-year-old teacher in Thailand obsessed with JonBenet's killing, was arrested after making bizarre, detailed confessions in her death. He was brought back to the United States, but he was released after authorities said his DNA did not match evidence in the case. No one has ever been tried for the crime.

John Ramsey, who now lives in Michigan, ran unsuccessfully for the Michigan House of Representatives in 2004.

[trimmonthelake]

http://**/news/ci_16231345
Boulder police conducting additional interviews in JonBenet Ramsey case
Attorney says brother, Burke, among those contacted
By Vanessa Miller Camera Staff Writer
Posted: 10/01/2010 09:12:56 PM MDT
Boulder police are conducting a new round of interviews related to the 1996 JonBenet Ramsey homicide based on recommendations from an advisory committee that met in 2009 and pored over all the evidence.

Burke Ramsey, JonBenet's older brother who was 9 at the time of the homicide, is among the people who have been contacted recently by Boulder police, according to Lin Wood, attorney for the Ramsey family.

"I understand that they met with Burke and gave him a card and said, 'If you want to talk to us, here's how you would contact me,'" Wood said. "But the police have not interviewed Burke."

Wood said he's sure the police contact has nothing to do with any new investigation of Burke Ramsey or his father, John Ramsey. Burke Ramsey was officially cleared as a possible suspect in May 1999, Wood said, and the whole family was exonerated by then-District Attorney Mary Lacy in 2008.

"Whatever the reason for any type of approach with Burke, it would have nothing to do with the case other than with the reality that John and Burke could help the Boulder police as witnesses in the investigation," Wood said. "For all I know, they have gotten some tip and think Burke could give them some information."

Boulder Police Chief Mark Beckner wouldn't reveal details about the investigation, including whom police have contacted.

"We continue to work the Ramsey case and have tailored our investigation based on recommendations from our 2009 advisory committee," Beckner said. "This has included additional contacts and interviews with those who may have information pertinent to the case."

The advisory committee met after the Boulder Police Department took the lead in the Ramsey investigation back from the Boulder County District Attorney's Office in February 2009.

The 20-some person group, which included veteran investigators from several state and federal agencies, met for two days to review all the evidence. The goal was to explore all possible theories about what happened the night JonBenet was killed.

The 6-year-old beauty queen was found dead Dec. 26, 1996, in the family's home at 755 15th St. At the time, Boulder investigators said the girl's parents were under an "umbrella of suspicion," but a grand jury ended an investigation into the case with no indictments.

Scott Robinson, a Denver defense attorney and legal analyst, said it would be premature to assume that police have new information in the investigation just because they're contacting people connected to the case.

"But it would be absolutely accurate to say they're not letting this case lie," he said. "They are attempting to re-interview people, and sometimes when you interview people years later, you get information that leads to a trail that leads to a suspect that leads to an arrest."

[Nut44x4]

JonBenet Ramsey Case Reopens

Updated: Sunday, 03 Oct 2010, 9:55 AM CDT

(NewsCore) - Colorado police were Saturday preparing to conduct new interviews relating to the 14-year-old mystery surrounding the death of child beauty queen JonBenet Ramsey, the Daily Camera reported.

JonBenet¿s older brother Burke is one person who has already been contacted by police for new questioning. He was nine at the time her death.

Police investigated Burke and his father, John, after the 1996 death of JonBenet. Burke was officially cleared of wrongdoing in 1999, and the rest of the family was cleared in 2008.

Police said they were continuing to work on the JonBenet case following recommendations from an advisory committee that met in 2009 to consider all of the case's evidence. They would not detail who they had contacted in their new round of inquiries.

JonBenet was six when she was found dead the day after Christmas 1996 at her home in Boulder, Colorado, about 30 miles (48km) northwest of Denver. Family members were suspects in the case but no indictments came of the investigation.

In 2006, 41-year-old John Mark Karr, a former schoolteacher, confessed to the murder while being held on child pornography charges in Sonoma County, California.

However, Karr's DNA did not match that found on JonBenet's body, and prosecutors announced that no charges would be filed against him.

http://www.myfoxchicago.com/dpps/news/jonbenet-ramsey-case-reopens-dpgonc-km-20101003_9926733

[Nut44x4]

I like reading theories..... and like I said, I don't care what the DNA says. DNA can be obtained from anyone at any time and placed at a crime scene. Anyway..... here are two links with theories that make sense to me:

http://www.topix.com/forum/news/jonbenet-ramsey/TVOBTLV1HQNVIBJ4F

http://www.oppapers.com/essays/Jon-Benet/22377

[Nut44x4]

I will state that I do believe that John Ramsey did not take part in any of it. He is innocent, imo.

[trimmonthelake]

http://www.cayleedaily.com/
JonBenet Ramsey Murder-New Interviews
10/03/10

[trimmonthelake]

http://abcnews.go.com/US/jonbenet-ramsey-death-fresh-round-interviews/story?id=11792001

JonBenet Ramsey Death Gets Fresh Look With New Round of Interviews
Investigators Hoping to Re-interview Burke Ramsey, Now 23, as a Potential Witness
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By CLAYTON SANDELL and SARAH NETTER
Oct. 4, 2010
Investigators hoping to solve the 1996 killing of 6-year-old pageant queen JonBenet Ramsey have launched a fresh round of interviews with witnesses that could provide the clue they've been missing all these years.
Among the potential witnesses police have contacted is the little girl's  brother, Burke Ramsey. Now 23, he was 9 when his sister's body was found in the family's Colorado basement, beaten and strangled.

Ramsey family attorney Lin Wood recently told the Boulder Daily Camera newspaper that a police detective "met with Burke and gave him a card and said, 'If you want to talk to us, here's how you would contact me.'"

Larry Schiller, author of a book on the case, "Perfect Murder, Perfect Town," and a contributor to the Daily Beast news website, said the new investigation comes likely as part of a police mandate to reopen cold cases every few years.
This is a case that embarrassed an entire community," he said, pointing to the inexperience of the Boulder Police Department in 1996. "They live under the shadow of this case."

At one point or another, every member of the Ramsey family, including Burke Ramsey and their parents, John and Patsy Ramsey, has lived under a cloud of suspicion. The family was officially cleared as suspects in 2008, two years after Patsy Ramsey died of ovarian cancer.
"I think there's always a chance with technology and confession," Schiller said of finding the killer. "I think there's a very, very big chance that the killer has passed on and no longer exists."

Schiller theorized that police are interested in speaking to Burke Ramsey not as a suspect but as someone who may have a childhood memory from that day that could be triggered by a new investigation.

"I think it's a matter of can they corroborate something they know about or that they suspect may lead them to a solution," Schiller said of the potential witnesses.

Investigators, he said, will also likely go back to the physical evidence in the case.

"Modern technology, what was missed, is there a witness that may have said something down the road that now has more meaning," he said. "It's a step-by-step process."
Continued here..  http://abcnews.go.com/US/jonbenet-ramsey-death-fresh-round-interviews/story?id=11792001&page=2

[MuffyBee]

http://www.myfoxtwincities.com/dpps/news/jonbenet-ramsey-case-reopens-dpgonc-km-20101003_9926733
JonBenet Ramsey Case Reopens
October 3, 2010

NewsCore) - Colorado police were Saturday preparing to conduct new interviews relating to the 14-year-old mystery surrounding the death of child beauty queen JonBenet Ramsey, the Daily Camera reported.

JonBenet¿s older brother Burke is one person who has already been contacted by police for new questioning. He was nine at the time her death.

Police investigated Burke and his father, John, after the 1996 death of JonBenet. Burke was officially cleared of wrongdoing in 1999, and the rest of the family was cleared in 2008.

Police said they were continuing to work on the JonBenet case following recommendations from an advisory committee that met in 2009 to consider all of the case's evidence. They would not detail who they had contacted in their new round of inquiries.

JonBenet was six when she was found dead the day after Christmas 1996 at her home in Boulder, Colorado, about 30 miles (48km) northwest of Denver. Family members were suspects in the case but no indictments came of the investigation.

In 2006, 41-year-old John Mark Karr, a former schoolteacher, confessed to the murder while being held on child pornography charges in Sonoma County, California.

However, Karr's DNA did not match that found on JonBenet's body, and prosecutors announced that no charges would be filed against him.