Natalee Case Discussion #679 8/26 - 8/31/2007

[Lala'sMom]

Does anyone know for sure if legally, when the case is closed, information will be made available that is not visible now?

How do we know this is true in a post Arlene Schippers world?

In other words, what advantage is it to Aruba to keep the case open?

And lastly, could the U.S. be actually in favor of keeping this case open and the guilty un-prosecuted? Who silenced Spencer Bachus?

I looked at his declared political donations and couldn't find something.

I think the family will have access to those files...if anyone.  Whether it happens is any body's guess.  Thanks to the Kalpoes (never thought I would say that) we now know about other PV's that are there...so that would be reason enough not to close this case as just another cold case.  IMO

[Hotshot]

klaas - would it be totally inappropriate to post what happened to the "Volunteers" email address? (Did you get the phished email?)

I think we all got wacked by the "other side".  But I guess we are all pretty much used to that.  LOLOL

And they didn't even try to make the email sound like him! lol

But I was still glad to get the confirmation that it was a phish job. It bothered me that there was even a tiny possibility that he needed our help.

Me too, and no it didnt even sound like him.  LOLOL

[SunFreak2]

From page 120 of Dave's book:
 
"the following information is extremely curious to me, and it is something that has to be looked into further.  It involves someone from inside of the Aruban Government.   Apparently, in discussing what he considered to be a "blunder in Natalee's case," former Police Commissioner Stanley Zaandam said that the nomination of certain police commissioners, including Dompig, was against the law and the hierarchy of the KPA (police corp.), and that there were "serious consequences for the integrity & quality of work in the KPA" due to that. He said, "None of the high-ranked commissioners has the qualifications nor experience to conduct a judicial investigation." He continued, saying, "this is how van der Stratten was appointed to this case."  He maintained that Natalee's case was not the type of work in which van der Stratten should have been involved.  However, he considers the biggest blunder to be the way the 3 boys, Joran van der Sloot and the Kalpoe brothers, were questioned, saying that their lies allowed them to remain free for 12 days.  The part that most concerns me, though, was his statement that 2 days after Natalee's disappearance, her "body may have already been found and the police commissioner looked the other way to do a favor for Paulus van der Sloot...." He continued that "to exculpate the son of Paulus, the police commissioner and the fiscal chief prosecutor.....made the false arrest of 2 secirity guards, calling this a tactical maneuver...."

[San]

Does anyone know for sure if legally, when the case is closed, information will be made available that is not visible now?

How do we know this is true in a post Arlene Schippers world?

In other words, what advantage is it to Aruba to keep the case open?

And lastly, could the U.S. be actually in favor of keeping this case open and the guilty un-prosecuted? Who silenced Spencer Bachus?

I looked at his declared political donations and couldn't find something.

All very good questions.

We have been TOLD that the family will be given the records, but that came from Aurba and Dutch 'experts', so who really knows.  Even if the family gets information how would they ever know if they received it all.  That's the 'beauty' of secret societies. 

Aruba may want to keep the case open because if they close it without a definitive resolution tourism will not recover any time soon.  This way it appears they are trying to solve it.

Bachus is a politician.  Politicians attach themselves to the issue du jour.  Natalee has faded from the headlines and Bachus has moved on.

jmho.

They may want to keep the case open so they don't have to give Beth and Dave access to their files.

[truthseeker2]

They may want to keep the case open so they don't have to give Beth and Dave access to their files.

Or that too.  Who knows what their intentions are down there other than don't let the truth be known?

[Helen Back]

While channel surfing today, I happened on a court TV story about the abduction of Linda Lee Daniels in 1986 in New Mexico.  I was not familiar with her story, but immediately drawn in.  A guy named Johnny Zinn made pornographic movies and "ordered" a blonde when the group had trouble recruiting willing participants.  Here's a short summary I found:

Zinn and His 'Product.'

Pornographers always tell us that porn is victimless.

This story proves differently.

In January of 1986, Linda Lee Daniels, 22, of Albuquerque, New Mexico, was kidnapped in broad daylight from her driveway by three young men, whose intent was to use her against her will in a pornographic movie.

The movie producer, Johnny Zinn, told these hirelings that he wanted a blonde "product" for his movie and that he would pay them $1,500 if they could find a woman who fit these specifications.

After they kidnapped Daniels, they drugged and raped her all night long (taking a film of the entire sequence of rapes). The following morning's papers carried Daniels' picture, so Zinn ordered his henchmen to kill her. They shot her repeatedly as she pleaded for her life.

Zinn received a life sentence. Two of the three accomplices, although found guilty of rape, are already free and roaming the streets, perhaps searching for more 'products.'[11]



The sickening part of the testimony of the underlings who flipped on Johnny Zinn, was that the plan originally did not include her murder.  However, her disappearance had generated too much media attention, and so Johnny Zinn ordered his flunkies to kill her.

[klaasend]

klaas - would it be totally inappropriate to post what happened to the "Volunteers" email address? (Did you get the phished email?)

No, I didn't get it.  I think it was explained yesterday or the day before but go ahead and explain what happened again.

[truthseeker2]

While channel surfing today, I happened on a court TV story about the abduction of Linda Lee Daniels in 1986 in New Mexico.  I was not familiar with her story, but immediately drawn in.  A guy named Johnny Zinn made pornographic movies and "ordered" a blonde when the group had trouble recruiting willing participants.  Here's a short summary I found:

Zinn and His 'Product.'

Pornographers always tell us that porn is victimless.

This story proves differently.

In January of 1986, Linda Lee Daniels, 22, of Albuquerque, New Mexico, was kidnapped in broad daylight from her driveway by three young men, whose intent was to use her against her will in a pornographic movie.

The movie producer, Johnny Zinn, told these hirelings that he wanted a blonde "product" for his movie and that he would pay them $1,500 if they could find a woman who fit these specifications.

After they kidnapped Daniels, they drugged and raped her all night long (taking a film of the entire sequence of rapes). The following morning's papers carried Daniels' picture, so Zinn ordered his henchmen to kill her. They shot her repeatedly as she pleaded for her life.

Zinn received a life sentence. Two of the three accomplices, although found guilty of rape, are already free and roaming the streets, perhaps searching for more 'products.'[11]



The sickening part of the testimony of the underlings who flipped on Johnny Zinn, was that the plan originally did not include her murder.  However, her disappearance had generated too much media attention, and so Johnny Zinn ordered his flunkies to kill her.

There are truly evil people out there.

[Tamikosmom]

Janssen a Moron?

Quite possible. JQK said she liked Dompig...another idiot.

Contradictory for sure. Refusing to step down while continuing to fail and fail and fail.

It was her silence, and that of the prosecuter's office that i find unforgivable. It provided a breeding ground for untold wild accusations and left Natalee without a voice on Aruba.
 

http://nataleesfreebirds.blogspot.com/2007/08/karin-janssen.html

KARIN JANSSEN
Woman of the Year or Disgrace to her Profession?

[Frank]

You know, I've always liked Jossy, and think he's written some of the best pieces on this story and has published them, which is huge.

But...

his defense of Karin Janssen and Jan van der straaten always bothered me. Maybe Dana can ask him about this. It seems Jossy is very weak when it comes to explaining how he can support these 2.

[Kermit]

[Kermit]

You know, I've always liked Jossy, and think he's written some of the best pieces on this story and has published them, which is huge.

But...

his defense of Karin Janssen and Jan van der straaten always bothered me. Maybe Dana can ask him about this. It seems Jossy is very weak when it comes to explaining how he can support these 2.

or why he believes a young boy was buried out at the lighthouse for 2 yrs and still had flesh on the bones - filmed in Aru-bay videos.

[Lala'sMom]

You know, I've always liked Jossy, and think he's written some of the best pieces on this story and has published them, which is huge.

But...

his defense of Karin Janssen and Jan van der straaten always bothered me. Maybe Dana can ask him about this. It seems Jossy is very weak when it comes to explaining how he can support these 2.

A little FYI here...Jossy still maintains that he has the utmost confidence in van der Straaten.  I keep asking the question too, Frank.  It is puzzling.

[JuJu]

I don't know if Paulus is he father or not but he damn sure looks like him...same hairline for one thing.  Klaas do you have any pics showing the two side by side?

[Frank]

That's what I don't get, how can a smart man have the utmost confidence in the 2 main players that have so utterly and completely failed Natalee, her family, Aruba and themselves?

[Nut44x4]

C&C's at dusk

[Nut44x4]

  oopsy....how dat happen

[Dayhiker]

That's what I don't get, how can a smart man have the utmost confidence in the 2 main players that have so utterly and completely failed Natalee, her family, Aruba and themselves?

True, these are the two main main players in the first months of the investigation, the two people that had more control over the investigation than anyone else, and their lack of appropriate and logical action is the reason the case has not been prosecuted to this day.

Jan van der Straten and Karin Jannsen queered the case, plain and simple. It doesn't make sense that Jossy would hang onto them.

[Dayhiker]

That's what I don't get, how can a smart man have the utmost confidence in the 2 main players that have so utterly and completely failed Natalee, her family, Aruba and themselves?

The $64,000 question, Frank, is "Who was pushing their buttons?" Who were these Nazis goose stepping to?

[Dayhiker]

ROFLMOA Kermit! Come to think of it we don't have pictures of them at the same at the same time bar in Aruba. Hmmmmm.