Haleigh Cummings #4 3/04/09 - 3/08/09

[Jerseygirl345]

Just thing out loud....

Now I stated earlier about rana post regarding a girl that mention Madison- Now I checked by searching the map and their is a street name Madison Ave surrounded by fields and woods off of highway 17 south of Myra Lake .. 1 block over is a SO name Richard Winch located @ 217 Baker Rd, Satsuma- I hope LE checked this area out.
The street behind Madison is Winchester...

http://offender.fdle.state.fl.us/offender/flyer.do?personId=39419

[Jerseygirl345]

Just thing out loud....

Now I stated earlier about rana post regarding a girl that mention Madison- Now I checked by searching the map and their is a street name Madison Ave surrounded by fields and woods off of highway 17 south of Myra Lake .. 1 block over is a SO name Richard Winch located @ 217 Baker Rd, Satsuma- I hope LE checked this area out.
The street behind Madison is Winchester...

http://offender.fdle.state.fl.us/offender/flyer.do?personId=39419

Also may I add the railroad tracks are in the area...

[islandmonkey]

Just thing out loud....

Now I stated earlier about rana post regarding a girl that mention Madison- Now I checked by searching the map and their is a street name Madison Ave surrounded by fields and woods off of highway 17 south of Myra Lake .. 1 block over is a SO name Richard Winch located @ 217 Baker Rd, Satsuma- I hope LE checked this area out.
The street behind Madison is Winchester...

http://offender.fdle.state.fl.us/offender/flyer.do?personId=39419

Also may I add the railroad tracks are in the area...

How far is this from Green Lane.....any idea if he fell within the 5 mile range they checked?

[Jerseygirl345]

Just thing out loud....

Now I stated earlier about rana post regarding a girl that mention Madison- Now I checked by searching the map and their is a street name Madison Ave surrounded by fields and woods off of highway 17 south of Myra Lake .. 1 block over is a SO name Richard Winch located @ 217 Baker Rd, Satsuma- I hope LE checked this area out.
The street behind Madison is Winchester...

http://offender.fdle.state.fl.us/offender/flyer.do?personId=39419

Also may I add the railroad tracks are in the area...

How far is this from Green Lane.....any idea if he fell within the 5 mile range they checked?

Very Very Close...Check the map for the SO the link  I  supplied ..

[islandmonkey]

Just thing out loud....

Now I stated earlier about rana post regarding a girl that mention Madison- Now I checked by searching the map and their is a street name Madison Ave surrounded by fields and woods off of highway 17 south of Myra Lake .. 1 block over is a SO name Richard Winch located @ 217 Baker Rd, Satsuma- I hope LE checked this area out.
The street behind Madison is Winchester...

http://offender.fdle.state.fl.us/offender/flyer.do?personId=39419

Also may I add the railroad tracks are in the area...

Also available:Walking

Driving directions to 202 Green Ln, FL 32189
2.7 mi – about 7 mins
 212 Baker RdFL 32189

1. Head southwest on Baker Rd toward US-17  0.2 mi
2. Turn right at US-17  0.9 mi
3. Turn left at Buffalo Bluff Rd/SR-309B
Continue to follow Buffalo Bluff Rd  1.2 mi
4. Turn left at Tyler St  0.4 mi
5. Turn left at Monroe Ave  246 ft
6. Slight left at Green Ln
Destination will be on the left  10 ft

 202 Green LnFL 32189

http://maps.google.com/maps?saddr=212+Baker+Rd,+FL+32189&geocode=&dirflg=&daddr=202+Green+Ln,+FL+32189&f=d&sll=29.559758,-81.652365&sspn=0.008698,0.017853&ie=UTF8&t=h&z=13

[Jerseygirl345]

Just thing out loud....

Now I stated earlier about rana post regarding a girl that mention Madison- Now I checked by searching the map and their is a street name Madison Ave surrounded by fields and woods off of highway 17 south of Myra Lake .. 1 block over is a SO name Richard Winch located @ 217 Baker Rd, Satsuma- I hope LE checked this area out.
The street behind Madison is Winchester...

http://offender.fdle.state.fl.us/offender/flyer.do?personId=39419

Also may I add the railroad tracks are in the area...

Also available:Walking

Driving directions to 202 Green Ln, FL 32189
2.7 mi – about 7 mins
 212 Baker RdFL 32189

1. Head southwest on Baker Rd toward US-17  0.2 mi
2. Turn right at US-17  0.9 mi
3. Turn left at Buffalo Bluff Rd/SR-309B
Continue to follow Buffalo Bluff Rd  1.2 mi
4. Turn left at Tyler St  0.4 mi
5. Turn left at Monroe Ave  246 ft
6. Slight left at Green Ln
Destination will be on the left  10 ft

 202 Green LnFL 32189

http://maps.google.com/maps?saddr=212+Baker+Rd,+FL+32189&geocode=&dirflg=&daddr=202+Green+Ln,+FL+32189&f=d&sll=29.559758,-81.652365&sspn=0.008698,0.017853&ie=UTF8&t=h&z=13

How many miles is that....

[islandmonkey]

Just thing out loud....

Now I stated earlier about rana post regarding a girl that mention Madison- Now I checked by searching the map and their is a street name Madison Ave surrounded by fields and woods off of highway 17 south of Myra Lake .. 1 block over is a SO name Richard Winch located @ 217 Baker Rd, Satsuma- I hope LE checked this area out.
The street behind Madison is Winchester...

http://offender.fdle.state.fl.us/offender/flyer.do?personId=39419

Also may I add the railroad tracks are in the area...

Also available:Walking

Driving directions to 202 Green Ln, FL 32189
2.7 mi – about 7 mins
 212 Baker RdFL 32189

1. Head southwest on Baker Rd toward US-17  0.2 mi
2. Turn right at US-17  0.9 mi
3. Turn left at Buffalo Bluff Rd/SR-309B
Continue to follow Buffalo Bluff Rd  1.2 mi
4. Turn left at Tyler St  0.4 mi
5. Turn left at Monroe Ave  246 ft
6. Slight left at Green Ln
Destination will be on the left  10 ft

 202 Green LnFL 32189

http://maps.google.com/maps?saddr=212+Baker+Rd,+FL+32189&geocode=&dirflg=&daddr=202+Green+Ln,+FL+32189&f=d&sll=29.559758,-81.652365&sspn=0.008698,0.017853&ie=UTF8&t=h&z=13

How many miles is that....

2.7 miles

[Jerseygirl345]

Just thing out loud....

Now I stated earlier about rana post regarding a girl that mention Madison- Now I checked by searching the map and their is a street name Madison Ave surrounded by fields and woods off of highway 17 south of Myra Lake .. 1 block over is a SO name Richard Winch located @ 217 Baker Rd, Satsuma- I hope LE checked this area out.
The street behind Madison is Winchester...

http://offender.fdle.state.fl.us/offender/flyer.do?personId=39419

Also may I add the railroad tracks are in the area...

Also available:Walking

Driving directions to 202 Green Ln, FL 32189
2.7 mi – about 7 mins
 212 Baker RdFL 32189

1. Head southwest on Baker Rd toward US-17  0.2 mi
2. Turn right at US-17  0.9 mi
3. Turn left at Buffalo Bluff Rd/SR-309B
Continue to follow Buffalo Bluff Rd  1.2 mi
4. Turn left at Tyler St  0.4 mi
5. Turn left at Monroe Ave  246 ft
6. Slight left at Green Ln
Destination will be on the left  10 ft

 202 Green LnFL 32189

http://maps.google.com/maps?saddr=212+Baker+Rd,+FL+32189&geocode=&dirflg=&daddr=202+Green+Ln,+FL+32189&f=d&sll=29.559758,-81.652365&sspn=0.008698,0.017853&ie=UTF8&t=h&z=13

How many miles is that....

2.7 miles

Geeze he was in the military and that walk would be nothing for him to do, if he was on foot..

[Rob]

I think that you are over thinking this Dolce . Talking about some idiot perv that saw a chance. the Satuma bunch will nevermake an episode of CSI

I take it you are not one that likes those in Satuma.  If it was a crime of possibility, then quite possibly a train came through as they often do.  Just throwing things out there for discussion, just as I am sure you are doing.

You get it Dolce. thats really all I am doing ,putting out questions and trying to get folks thinking .
  What about the super door lock ?
  What is the item missing ?
 

I'm not at all sure what you're doing, but let me warn ya - I've been around long enough to know that I have seen your style before mas amigo. I'm not new here or to crime boards. I have seen your aspersion many times before.

If you know something - spill it - maybe I can really help... but saying stuff like Ron is a pussy and crap like that is not endearing me to your words or posts...

spill if ya have something.

[sistamarge]

Zoom in and check out that route from the railroad tracks.....

[islandmonkey]

I think that you are over thinking this Dolce . Talking about some idiot perv that saw a chance. the Satuma bunch will nevermake an episode of CSI

I take it you are not one that likes those in Satuma.  If it was a crime of possibility, then quite possibly a train came through as they often do.  Just throwing things out there for discussion, just as I am sure you are doing.

You get it Dolce. thats really all I am doing ,putting out questions and trying to get folks thinking .
  What about the super door lock ?
  What is the item missing ?
 

I'm not at all sure what you're doing, but let me warn ya - I've been around long enough to know that I have seen your style before mas amigo. I'm not new here or to crime boards. I have seen your aspersion many times before.

If you know something - spill it - maybe I can really help... but saying stuff like Ron is a pussy and crap like that is not endearing me to your words or posts...

spill if ya have something.

Did I miss something? I didn't take that post that way........

[Jerseygirl345]

Zoom in and check out that route from the railroad tracks.....

I zoomed in like you said and following the railroad tracks it seems a shorter distance.      

[GramaMonkey]

Good Evening Everyone & Welcome New Monkeys.

Goodness, I have been reading and trying to follow in my mind the many theories and possibilities that are being put forth.

It could be he /she ...no it can't be he /she...but it could be ...him or her or the other guy, etc.. etc.. etc...

All I have to say at this point is this.

IF THERE IS SOMEONE THAT IS HOLDING BACK SOME PIECE OF INFORMATION....THAT COULD SOLVE THIS AND BRING HALEIGH HOME....WHAT IS THE REASON FOR HOLDING BACK??

If this person is indeed an ADULT...how can he / she continue to withhold important information to save their own a$$???  This draws a conclusion to me that this person is nothing but a COWARD, and continues to hide behind a little girl.  To let a beautiful little girl be taken from her family and be subjected to another's hand. 

SHAME on those that (may / do) KNOW INFORMATION...and (possibly) continue to keep their mouths shut.  To think that a little girl is taking the FALL for someone else.

If everyone has told ALL...and Haleigh has been abducted by an UNKNOWN PERSON...to both families, I do keep my hopes and prayers each day for her safe return to the families that dearly love her. 

This is very disturbing.

[rana]

No nanners from me, you know how I feel........but, just to add to your "past tense" issue, I've copy/pasted all the FBI profilers info and one is about using the past tense, they are below.


5) Clint Van Zandt
Diane,

The father was very educated on how he was allowd to ue physical punish on his daughter per the Fla Dept of Soc Svs. His own form of "I got you" to the State.

Best,

CVZ

9) VELEZ-MITCHELL:

JOE NAVARRO, FORMER FBI AGENT
But, you know, I go back to that interview you did a few days ago of the grandfather who said -- basically, he said, you know, this doesn`t pass the stink test. There`s so many things that are weird here.

Why are we getting information that, you know, that doesn`t match up? There were -- everybody seemed to have been in that room, and yet somehow this child was magically abducted, and nobody heard it. The doors were locked. Nobody seems to know the complete story. There are so many things here that are irregular which really makes you wonder, what is the true story? Why is it constantly being changed?

And why is it being parsed out? It seems like it`s being parsed out on a daily basis. Usually, when you get a complete and truthful story, it all comes out together at once. You don`t get it in these small packets.

Sorry to snip up your post IM, - just wanted to pull parts out to reduce confusion on which bit I'm referring to without folks having to scroll and sift.  That # 5 is chilling. Whatever happened I don't think it was necessarily deliberate. However, I don't want to think any of it though.

And for the #9 with Navarro talking, .... did they say which grandfather (paternal? maternal?) said that about the stink test? (And I agree BTW)

And the other part under #9 (bolding/red mine) it did seem parsed out....the story, I mean.  The Mrs. Sykes part turned up late (unless they DID tell LE initially and LE chose not to mention that... yet LE DID mention others who were at the home [brother - AC man] and LE DID mention other aspects of the chain of events that had been discussed on interviews; Why leave the Mrs Skyes part out IF they did know about it?)

[Jerseygirl345]

Good Evening Everyone & Welcome New Monkeys.

Goodness, I have been reading and trying to follow in my mind the many theories and possibilities that are being put forth.

It could be he /she ...no it can't be he /she...but it could be ...him or her or the other guy, etc.. etc.. etc...

All I have to say at this point is this.

IF THERE IS SOMEONE THAT IS HOLDING BACK SOME PIECE OF INFORMATION....THAT COULD SOLVE THIS AND BRING HALEIGH HOME....WHAT IS THE REASON FOR HOLDING BACK??

If this person is indeed an ADULT...how can he / she continue to withhold important information to save their own a$$???  This draws a conclusion to me that this person is nothing but a COWARD, and continues to hide behind a little girl.  To let a beautiful little girl be taken from her family and be subjected to another's hand. 

SHAME on those that (may / do) KNOW INFORMATION...and (possibly) continue to keep their mouths shut.  To think that a little girl is taking the FALL for someone else.

If everyone has told ALL...and Haleigh has been abducted by an UNKNOWN PERSON...to both families, I do keep my hopes and prayers each day for her safe return to the families that dearly love her. 

This is very disturbing.

ITA....

[Rob]

IF THERE IS SOMEONE THAT IS HOLDING BACK SOME PIECE OF INFORMATION....THAT COULD SOLVE THIS AND BRING HALEIGH HOME....WHAT IS THE REASON FOR HOLDING BACK??

I assure you there is someone holding something back - the question is WHO...

is it the perp who protects himself - or a family member - those are the only two possibilities for me.

[littleone]

Dolce, it's funny you mentioned possesiveness. I found this port over yonder, and again NO FACT that he was Ron's neighbor, but he was taking up for him and he mentioned possessiveness:

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I wanna go back to when right away Ron and Misty were saying someone stole Haleigh.

That terminology - stole - stands out to me. Ron's plea to whoever has Haleigh - that she is not a piece of property - odd.

Makes me wonder if something else wasn't stolen that night - to make them so quick to use that word.

If so - it has to be something that they don't want anyone to know about - like something they themselves stole? Drugs? A weapon?

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Remember that Ron is a possessive young man. His children were his life. Misty is very young and not well educated. That may help explain their "someone stole my daughter". In Mistys' 911 call she said that her daughter was gone.

Ron comes across as about as educated as Misty to me.  Misty though is very young, and I think that is why listening to her throws me for a loop.  She is scared, and you can tell, I do not blame the scare on Ron, but on the situation at hand.  If someone came in and took the child while she was sleeping in the same room, hell that would scare me sh!tless. 
For now, while the terminology is odd, I am going to put it in the back of my mind for a rainy day, and chalk it up, for now, to lack of common terminology.  (I keep waiting for Earl and Joy to come walking by with this bunch)

Hey Dolce..
First let me tell ya I think you look absolutely BEAUTIFUL with your baby bumps!!

I just have to say this. It breaks my heart when I read statements like "Ron isn't educated"! Having a Master's Degree right now wouldn't help him bring Haleigh home.  I read the very same statements about Mark Lunsford and Steve Groene and neither men-hold a Master's Degree and neither harmed their littleones.  jmo...

[peanut]

At some point on the 911 recording when Misty was talking to the operator you could hear Ron in the background call her a bitch and ask her how she could let someone get his daughter.  (Not a direct quote, but paraphrased).

Did anyone else hear that.  And as a matter of fact the guy that is on Nancy Grace's show pointed that out and NG cut him off and said all those kind of people talk that way.

It has been very obvious to me that they have tried to overlook that particular verbiage by Ron in the initial call.

and 'those kind of people' would be what kind?

[littleone]

At some point on the 911 recording when Misty was talking to the operator you could hear Ron in the background call her a bitch and ask her how she could let someone get his daughter.  (Not a direct quote, but paraphrased).

Did anyone else hear that.  And as a matter of fact the guy that is on Nancy Grace's show pointed that out and NG cut him off and said all those kind of people talk that way.

It has been very obvious to me that they have tried to overlook that particular verbiage by Ron in the initial call.

and 'those kind of people' would be what kind?

Great question-peanut!

[islandmonkey]

No nanners from me, you know how I feel........but, just to add to your "past tense" issue, I've copy/pasted all the FBI profilers info and one is about using the past tense, they are below.


5) Clint Van Zandt
Diane,

The father was very educated on how he was allowd to ue physical punish on his daughter per the Fla Dept of Soc Svs. His own form of "I got you" to the State.

Best,

CVZ

9) VELEZ-MITCHELL:

JOE NAVARRO, FORMER FBI AGENT
But, you know, I go back to that interview you did a few days ago of the grandfather who said -- basically, he said, you know, this doesn`t pass the stink test. There`s so many things that are weird here.

Why are we getting information that, you know, that doesn`t match up? There were -- everybody seemed to have been in that room, and yet somehow this child was magically abducted, and nobody heard it. The doors were locked. Nobody seems to know the complete story. There are so many things here that are irregular which really makes you wonder, what is the true story? Why is it constantly being changed?

And why is it being parsed out? It seems like it`s being parsed out on a daily basis. Usually, when you get a complete and truthful story, it all comes out together at once. You don`t get it in these small packets.

Sorry to snip up your post IM, - just wanted to pull parts out to reduce confusion on which bit I'm referring to without folks having to scroll and sift.  That # 5 is chilling. Whatever happened I don't think it was necessarily deliberate. However, I don't want to think any of it though.

And for the #9 with Navarro talking, .... did they say which grandfather (paternal? maternal?) said that about the stink test? (And I agree BTW)

And the other part under #9 (bolding/red mine) it did seem parsed out....the story, I mean.  The Mrs. Sykes part turned up late (unless they DID tell LE initially and LE chose not to mention that... yet LE DID mention others who were at the home [brother - AC man] and LE DID mention other aspects of the chain of events that had been discussed on interviews; Why leave the Mrs Skyes part out IF they did know about it?)

IIRC~It was the maternal grandfather........but you are spot on about #5, and we all pickd up on that as soon as it happened.

I just thought it was important to see what FBI profiler's insights were, since we no that NO ONE has been cleared and the only fact is that Haleigh is missing, even the Cpt of the S.O., stated he doesn't even know what the crime is yet OR when it occured.