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I have a few questions

was there ever a rummage sale at the church?

Does anyone else think MH did not act alone or she is taking the rap for someone?

ok, I am off to work but will pop in to read today's posts.

Good Morning, I'm very curious to why LE went back to the home and church, and if they took something. If Melissa said it was an accident, I have a feeling she said other things as well, and that is what brought LE back.

Good Morning, I'm very curious to why LE went back to the home and church, and if they took something. If Melissa said it was an accident, I have a feeling she said other things as well, and that is what brought LE back.

In one of the online sites it said the reason was to look for more evidence tying Melissa to that note Melissa said she got regarding the luggage and irrigation pond.  Melissa allegidly admitted she wrote it.

In one of the online sites it said the reason was to look for more evidence tying Melissa to that note Melissa said she got regarding the luggage and irrigation pond.  Melissa allegidly admitted she wrote it.

Good morning!
Last I heard Melissa was claiming to be innocent.  I would be interested to know what LE took.

Yeah, she's innocent alright:

CBS: Huckaby Swallowed Knife Blades Before Arrest
The Sunday school teacher accused with raping and murdering 8-year-old Sandra Cantu attempted suicide days before her arrest in the case, according to CBS News.

Melissa Huckaby was hospitalized after swallowing three X-Acto knife blades, reports CBS News correspondent John Blackstone. She remains under suicide watch after being formally charged yesterday with kidnapping, raping and murdering her daughter's playmate. . . .

Yeah, she's innocent alright:

CBS: Huckaby Swallowed Knife Blades Before Arrest
The Sunday school teacher accused with raping and murdering 8-year-old Sandra Cantu attempted suicide days before her arrest in the case, according to CBS News.

Melissa Huckaby was hospitalized after swallowing three X-Acto knife blades, reports CBS News correspondent John Blackstone. She remains under suicide watch after being formally charged yesterday with kidnapping, raping and murdering her daughter's playmate. . . .

Well no one swallows 3 knife blades by accident ::MonkeyHaHa:: So she wanted to kill herself for what happened to Sandra. Does that indicate a woman who's intent was to kill Sandra, I don't think so. It is sounding more and more like she was duped into getting the little girl and was disgusted with herself for what eventually happened to her.

Oh wow, and now this brings me to the next important question, in a phone interview her grandma said that Melissa has been taking psychotropic meds, what has she been taking, did she go off the meds, or was she on the wrong meds. http://www.recordnet.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20090415/A_NEWS/904150329

Well no one swallows 3 knife blades by accident ::MonkeyHaHa:: So she wanted to kill herself for what happened to Sandra. Does that indicate a woman who's intent was to kill Sandra, I don't think so. It is sounding more and more like she was duped into getting the little girl and was disgusted with herself for what eventually happened to her.

Or a sick woman who was off her meds, had a psychotic break and now that she is back on meds realizes the horrors of what she did.

(not saying that is what happened) but I think that is where the defense is leading.

ok now with suicide attempt I think this profile is starting to fit for her: 

Insecurity at Heart of Pedophilia
As with all things sexual, however, it's not always so simple. Heterosexual, homosexual, and bisexual men and women may become sexually attracted to children even though they're also attracted to adults. When this happens, it's usually because of insecurity or stress in an adult relationship, says Anthony Siracusa, a psychologist in Williamstown, Mass., who specializes in treating abused kids and sexual offenders.

These people, Siracusa says, are called "regressed offenders" because they have literally regressed: They lose the social skills they need to deal with other adults, which makes children more attractive to them. Regressed offenders may "bounce back and forth" between normal sexual relationships and criminal relations with children.

Insecurity, Hord agrees, is at the heart of pedophilia. Typically, pedophiles have trouble relating to people their own age. They need to feel they have power and control in a relationship, which is easy with children

http://www.webmd.com/sex-relationships/features/explaining-pedophilia

I know this is disturbing to us here but this woman to me is a predator regardless of accomplices she acted in luring a child to a place w/bad intentions and has enough info to lead the police to charge her for this horrible act upon Sandra.  I believe she did not intend to kill Sandra and I think we may find out that this is not the first time she acted on her sickness.  Sure she may have not acted alone and she may have been making a child porn movie but she did it.

She took this innocent little girl to a place that had all the neccessary things for her to carry out this act.

Wow...Thank you.
All missing/murdered children reports are tragic, but the horror of what happened to little Sandra has really gotten to me.  Maybe it is because my daughter is close to Sandra's age, looks a little like her and we are active in our church too.  Maybe it is the video of her skipping down the street not a care in the world and her Sunday School teacher grabbed her and hurt her so terribly.  My heart just really aches.

I'm trying to figure how the he!! you swallow three blades, and I really want to know more about the psychotropic meds she was on, and on them for what purpose, her diagnosis would be interesting.

Or a sick woman who was off her meds, had a psychotic break and now that she is back on meds realizes the horrors of what she did.

(not saying that is what happened) but I think that is where the defense is leading.

Yes, I believe this will be going the route of a psych break or blame it on her meds. If this really is insanity, and as of now I'm leaning that way, but will wait to hear more that's for sure.

http://abcnews.go.com/TheLaw/Story?id=7321954&page=3

Deputy Les Garcia, spokesman for the San Joaquin County Sheriff's Office, which includes the coroner, told ABCNews.com that the autopsy on Sandra's body was completed Tuesday, but that it could take four to eight weeks to determine how she died.

"We're waiting on our tissue samples as well as toxicology results from the lab," he said.

Tissue and Toxicology results means to me we are waiting to see if she was drug overdosed or suffocated... anyone want to shoot me down.

Yes, I believe this will be going the route of a psych break or blame it on her meds. If this really is insanity, and as of now I'm leaning that way, but will wait to hear more that's for sure.

That's all well and good.  So she freaked out.  She has a defense.  SCREW THAT!  Sandra didn't get a defense.  It's just BS.  If she has confessed to it, let her pay the  price.  Meds or no meds.  It's just not fair!  And to see that attorney rubbing her back?  That just made me want to hurl.  Who the hell was comforting little Sandra when she was being RAPED with a foreign freakin object????? Okay.  I am stopping now.  I am so pissed!

I'm trying to figure how the he!! you swallow three blades, and I really want to know more about the psychotropic meds she was on, and on them for what purpose, her diagnosis would be interesting.

That's all well and good.  So she freaked out.  She has a defense.  SCREW THAT!  Sandra didn't get a defense.  It's just BS.  If she has confessed to it, let her pay the  price.  Meds or no meds.  It's just not fair!  And to see that attorney rubbing her back?  That just made me want to hurl.  Who the hell was comforting little Sandra when she was being RAPED with a foreign freakin object????? Okay.  I am stopping now.  I am so pissed!

Do you mean insanity as in "Not guilty by reason of insanity?"  If so, I totally disagree.  Her actions before and after the incident are totally consistent with a person who was in charge of her faculties.  She knew what she was doing.  If the problem was she went off her meds, then she had a sponaneous and miraculous recovery because she tried to hide the evidence immediately after Sandra died and presumably before she went back on them.

Spring2 I am right there with you!  I am so angry right now and if she get's off on insanity I think I will totally lose it.  I am convinced she is a predator there is no doubt in my mind.  I can understand the death, hiding it, lying, but the rape goes beyond the pale for me and I want this woman to pay just like a man who commits the same crime would.

Spring2 I am right there with you!  I am so angry right now and if she get's off on insanity I think I will totally lose it.  I am convinced she is a predator there is no doubt in my mind.  I can understand the death, hiding it, lying, but the rape goes beyond the pale for me and I want this woman to pay just like a man who commits the same crime would.

The Sgt. is on Fox asking any other parent's whose children may have had contact with Melissa to gently question their children and they are asking any victims to please come forward.

He also said that if they believed anyone else was involved with this crime...either before, during or after the fact, they would have been re-miss not to take them into that custody at that time. Melissa acted alone in this act.

If I were LE in this case, the line of children from the MHP would be forming to the right, in the offices of those trained in questioning children.  This would be in the best interest of those children, and pfffffffft on the cost of doing that.  Wouldn't put this on parents or leave it up to them to 'gently question' their own children.  We've seen in other cases how easy that kind of questioning can get out of hand, depending on how the parent/caretaker asks those questions. 

Spring2 I am right there with you!  I am so angry right now and if she get's off on insanity I think I will totally lose it.  I am convinced she is a predator there is no doubt in my mind.  I can understand the death, hiding it, lying, but the rape goes beyond the pale for me and I want this woman to pay just like a man who commits the same crime would.

It would be interesting to know.  Is Gma the only one who has said Melissa is on these types of meds? 

Psychotropic meds are used for the following:

Schizophrenia
Bipolar disorder
Depression
Anxiety disorders
Anti-panic Agents
Anti-obsessive Agents
Stimulants (used in the treatment of ADD/ADHD)

A list of the commonly prescribed meds for each of the above are at this link:

http://www.toddlertime.com/med/common-meds.htm (http://www.toddlertime.com/med/common-meds.htm)

According to this report, Melissa claimed Child Abuction, Domestic Violence, and Alcohol Abuse in the divorce papers which resulted in Mr. Huckaby having limited visitation with supervision only.

It's near the end of this video.
http://www.kcra.com/video/19184506/index.html

I think that NoRose was saying that she thinks that the defense will lean towards insanity? not that SHe, Norose was leaning towards insanity..jmo....that is how I read it anyway..

And I agree with you, MH knew what she was doing..and she did try to cover it up...

I don't know if you guys believe in Psychic prodictions, but I have a few quotes from a site that are really interesting! This is probably going to be a bit long, so I apologize in advance!

1. Anonymous Coward
User ID: 476372
3/30/2009 6:45 PM Re: Psychic Readings...need the practice Quote


Firefly.... are you able to help locate missing children? A little girl disappeared here on Friday and still hasn't been found.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 607349

 I think she wandered off. Hopefully not kidnapped. If she was, you can disregard all this. And I wouldn't pull people away to go look if there are better signs. She's about 3 or 4? Seems like it.

Anyway, she seems to be in a small outhouse or shed type building. Seems like she's walked all that way. Taken her a long time to get there. It's about 5 and half miles North West of where she started walking. The building has been searched already, and she has happened on to it after the search people went through...it seems. She's pretty skinned up and thirsty. She's in a bad way. The building is a shed or outbuilding. It's near an old factory or school that has been shut down and is falling apart. Maybe the name Traynor or Tailor or something similar might have something to do with the road, street, or name of the school or company that use to be the building.

The area around the big building isn't grown up...seems like maybe it gets mowed regular or that it is naturally not conducive to growth. The building she is in may have some grass or small bushes or trees growing around it.

Hope this isn't wrong and helps out.
 
2.  Anonymous Coward
User ID: 607349
3/31/2009 12:36 AM Re: Psychic Readings...need the practice Quote


Firefly.... are you able to help locate missing children? A little girl disappeared here on Friday and still hasn't been found.


Can you tell me the town and her first name?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 474543


Tracy, California... she's 8 yrs old, name is Sandra Cantu. God Bless you for trying to help.

3.  Anonymous Coward
User ID: 500558
3/31/2009 7:33 AM Re: Psychic Readings...need the practice Quote


Her name is Sandra and the town is Tracy. Not sure if this may be the name you refer to. Also, she is missing from her home in a mobile home park (trailer?). It's not a trailer park though, nice mobiles.

Can you tell if she's anywhere near a river, if she crossed over one or if the building is near one? The area north-west is all farmland, country roads, sparse farm houses, mostly open fields (some mowed/some not/some tilled under. There are lengthy irrigation canals and many ditches, I'm asking about the river since it's about 5 1/2 miles out. Could the big building be a barn? (I hope not, there are many) Easier to find a processing station and I do remember an old school out there somewhere.

Can you tell if she's more north than west or vise versa? Can you sense any colors, sounds or notable landmarks? Well-used roads or little traveled? I know you're on the mark here, I'm just trying to narrow it down if I can. I mean you Wink I'm racking my brain til morning, then I'll drive out there before work. I work about 2.5 miles out that way and search crews have been combing the area all day long since Saturday. Maybe they just need to go farther out.

Thanks for tolerating all the questions. I'm hoping a that the area info may make things a little clearer for you.

God Bless you!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 607349


Hmmm...I'm seriously wondering if I'm getting good information. 8 years old sounds like she would be old enough to know how to find her way back if she wasn't forced away by someone. Maybe not though and if you're willing to go...

I had thought she might live in a mobile home park so that matches.

It's a building (if this is her) that is near another building that is disused. Like an old school. The big building...It's a building with large windows..which doesn't sound like a barn. Not single pane windows but multiple windows in that ## pattern but big. Most of them are broken out I think. The shed or outbuild she is in is either behind or to the right side of the building she is in (then again I don't know which direction from which I'm "seeing" it.) Oh, one important detail. Seems like the disused building she is located near is made of brick or stone, not like a wooden barn. The shed building she is in is either made of corrugated metal (old tin panels) or is old wood.

I did get an idea that she had possibly passed some water.I'm sorry, but I don't know if that meant she crossed over some water or if she walked near a river or creek. I also got the impression that the building she is in is near some woods or overgrown area. I still think its something like a school or old factory or maybe a building materials supply building...something that was used but now isn't. Or at least not used as its original purpose.

Remember I asked about Traynor or Taylor as the name of the road or building? You said this was in Tracey, California...which is a "T" name. And Traynor is fairly close...in that sense. So this might be her
 
4.Anonymous Coward
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4/3/2009 12:09 PM Re: Psychic Readings...need the practice Quote


Thanks for the update...and the link! I hope it is warm there! I sure wish you could get some more people in the area to read Firefly's reading and help you look. Without food how long can she last? I know there is water around so that shouldn't be an issue, but food is a different story. OMG I can't imagine how afraid she must be!
 Quoting: Cosmic Cuckoo


A child, or any person actually, can survive upwards of a month without food. For a healthy child I'd say 2 weeks without food would be possible. Water would be an issue, and also if she was injured. I half-way think she has had an injury and has managed to barely make it to an old building, but walking or even getting up may not be in the cards if she has injured her foot or her leg. I think that the friend who said Sandra was running away might have been correct.

Trying to get a bit more of an impression, I'd say she was actually slightly west of north west. Like half, or two thirds of the way, between straight west and northwest. I also wonder if she wasn't trying to walk to a friends home out in that direction and during the course of walking out there, got hurt. If so, then finding water could be a problem. And a person can only survive for about 3 days without water.

I think she is still alive right now, but she's not in a good way.
 
5. Anonymous Coward
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4/6/2009 11:51 PM Re: Psychic Readings...need the practice Quote


Firefly, when you can devote the energy to it, would you please see if you can get an impression of whether or not Sandra is still alive.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 607349


Seems to be "yes". Let's hope that's correct.

I had the idea earlier today that she might be near a church to the North west of town. A church is often a brick building that has an "empty feel" because it is unoccupied for 6/7ths of its life. Or largely unoccupied.

So I looked on a map and see that South Winds church is to the northwest about 3 miles. When I went to look at their website, I noticed on their schedule that March 27th was a movie night. I remember reading some reporter that said Sandra had asked her family to go to the movies but they didn't have the money. So now I'm wondering if she hadn't heard about this movie night at school or something and decided to go on her own to see it. I think she could have easily walked the three miles to the place between 5 (when I think they said she left) and 7 o'clock (when the movie started).

It's a theory anyway. As to where she is or what happened to her once she left her driveway, we can't know for sure until she is found and tells someone. After this long a time though, it is starting to look like a very bad situation. By now you'd like she'd have turned up or come back if she had left on her own.
The kid would stay in the same place if she'd injured herself and was unable to walk. Torn muscle. Broken foot or leg. (Probably the left one if anyone is keeping score). So if she can't stand or walk it would mean she was staying in one spot.Could also mean that I'm wrong and someone placed her in one spot too and locked her in or chained her up.

Hard to know until she's found.


So these were written on and before April 6th!  I just found this amazing, jmo
Again, sorry so long!

Thanks Wyks, I'm truly not making any excuses for this woman, I am not a bleeding heart. I'm just saying, if Melissa is very mentally ill, for reasons of my own, I also feel sorry for her family, because I know severe mental issues, tear a family apart. While I was walking I went another route with Fred Williams. What if grandma and grandpa and Fred, have all been hiding the fact of Melissa's mental issues. What if Fred was in his mind, thinking he was helping Melissa, by talking about the suitcase, which was an obvious lie. And also by delivering the note to the memorial. Wrong, yes it is, but maybe trying to help, in a very strange and peculiar way.  ::MonkeyConfused::

I agree.  It gives MH the defense of suggestion for those other children.

So the report now is Melissa swallowed X-Acto knives, huh?  Whew - sounds painful.  We've not had anyone on our unit swallow an open knife like that.  As I said earlier, we had a woman swallow a (snap-on) razor cartridge with the razor recessed.  Caused no problems at all.  The X-Acto knives sound much worse.  Can't imagine they could have "passed" through on their own.  Does seem surgery would have been needed.

I just read here too that she has been on medication.  Don't know if they mean long-term, as in months, or just recently, to help her with all she's going through right now.  Psychotropics covers a lot of ground.  Could be any of a large classification.  Many of them do cause weight gain though, so if she has been taking them for months, then that could possibly explain the weight changes we see in the different photos.

By the way, thanks to AZSunny for bringing my last post (about the effects of drugs) over here.  Not that I'm an expert, don't mean to try to come across that way.  I'm hoping though that reporting my observations can clarify a few things I've learned from my work experience. 

As for Melissa possibly copping an insanity defense, I seriously doubt it would work!  "Snapping" is not a common event, no matter what people might say or think.  We DO have psychotic people on our unit all the time, but they have not been normal one minute, and then psychotic the next.  Doesn't happen that way.  Usually it's a gradual deterioration in functioning.  Even when it's obvious that the person is not in contact with reality, I can't imagine them killing someone, and then snapping back to normal.  That would not be anything I'd call realistic at all.

Also I read that LE is asking any other children who have been abused by Melissa to come forward.  If even ONE single child does, then that eliminates any insanity defense then and there.  You don't go insane to abuse, molest, and kill... AND then become SANE and go back to your normal life. 

Even hearing of this as a possible defense makes me angry!  It gives my genuinely psychotic patients a bad name.  Most of them are only a danger to themselves, and only because they can't take care of themselves properly.  They can't react appropriately to real dangers.

Another thing about people who are on drugs.  The hard-core kind.  As long as they are actively using them, they seem incapable of telling the truth.  Lying is second-nature.  Getting the truth from them about anything is almost near impossible.  Nature of the beast which is created by drugs.

Again, I want to qualify all of my statements.  These are my opinions, based on my experiences.  They are mere speculation.  I know nothing more about Melissa than what I've read or seen on the videos.  It may turn out that everything I'm saying and thinking is completely wrong about her.  So be it. 

All that matters now is protection of our children and... justice for Sandra.

You can smell the not guilty by reason of insanity in the air!

I agree with you both.


Meanwhile, Tracy police are searching for any other possible victims of Huckaby, who served as a Sunday school teacher at Clover Road Baptist Church.

Any parent who suspects their children may have had "inappropriate contact" with Huckaby are being asked to contact authorities, Sgt. Tony Sheneman said.

http://www.kcra.com/news/19185819/detail.html

From me - FCL.
We are not the only ones baffled, PO, and concerned about this.  And if the autopsy comes back with suffocation for the COD that will be the nail on the head for me. We do need to know the motive for this crime so that it can be studied.  To make light of this is a joke when we see it more and more everyday.  So I know some will disagree but for now I will call it what it is ... a sex crime.  JMO

Serenity, I found your reading to be very interesting!  Thank you for sharing your info with us.  I'm glad you joined! 

Have seen your reading before, someone recently shared it with us, and sev. parts of it sure do seem to be spot on with what LE then reported. 

This part caught my attention, and I wonder if you see the coincidence:

"Maybe the name Traynor or Tailor or something similar might have something to do with the road, street, or name of the school or company that use to be the building."

It seems a coincidence to me, because in the Haleigh Cummings case, the father of Haleigh has a good friend with the last name Traylor.  Wondering if perhaps part of what you were sensing at the time of that reading, had to do with this other case as well? 

The part you've spoken of about the movie night at a church, and Sandra wanting to go see a movie, is very interesting.  Would be curious to know if Melissa had offered to take Sandra to that movie night, as a way of luring her out of the mobile home park.  ?? 
 

Hello Monkeys and welcome new Monkeys

When I saw MH in court all kinds of thoughts were going on in my mind thinking maybe she is insane. Don't know couldn't put my finger on it but then after hearing she swallowed X-Acto knives and then got help after she did slapped me in the face.

Nope she is not legally insane because she got help she didn't want to die so she is in her right mind. I feel if she was insane she could not have seen the difference in swallowing candy or the knives. But she did know the difference because she got help for it

Monkey hugs

I need to make one more observation, and then TRY TO GET SOME WORK DONE!   ::MonkeyHaHa::

I don't think MH is covering for someone else.  These detectives and the FBI are trained to weed that sort of thing out, and it's pretty easy to detect.  MH knew specifics about this crime that only the perp could or would know.  So as far as the crime against Sandra is concerned, she's it folks, JMHO.

I can't find anything about how she got to the hospital, if an ambulance took her, if she drove herself, or the grandparents drove her?

I can't find anything about how she got to the hospital, if an ambulance took her, if she drove herself, or the grandparents drove her?

Oh, "no rose" I didn't mean my post as a slam on anything you said!  In fact, I appreciate you bringing all of these things up in the first place.  You're right too.  Her defense team MIGHT come up with that angle. 

The whole idea of it really angers me though, so I was just irritated that they'd even think they could put one over like that.  I get so up in arms whenever I feel that people are trying to get someone off the hook by taking advantage of the genuinely mentally ill.

But honestly, what do I know?  Maybe Melissa IS genuinely mentally ill too.  So I'll just stick around and read.  Anyway, your posts are very interesting and informative.  Thanks and please keep sharing your opinions!   

I would bet massive money on her being abused and molested. I can't think of one serial killer that wasn't, one murder spree  (er?) that wasn't.
Definitely not an excuse but an added reason to the psychopathy of this nutbag.

This case gets more horrifying every day. Last night I was going to check up on the news and I had to just stop. Stuff like this can encompass you and overwhelm you even if you aren't directly involved. I did my stint (see my previous posts) and left that world behind.  I can tell you I never ran across a woman uploading or downloading any pornography depicting or using children.

I can't find anything on that either, but the fact that she did in one way or another get medical attention, makes me think she is sane enough to know that swallowing x-acto blades is not a good idea even if only after she did it.

How awful for the other woman, Melissa Huckabee. The woman has two children, maybe that's where the confusion is with this Melissa thinking she had two children?

There is no way. They might be able to use her mental conditions and her meds (or lack thereof) as mitigating circumstances in sentencing but she will not be found to be insane.

The cover-up itself, screws that.

Thanks Maven and Stacey, I just can't get over that someone would swallow razor blades  ::MonkeyEek:: What gets me is, why would the hospital release her, after an incident like that? You would think they maybe could have done more before they released her, I don't know?

I can't find anything about how she got to the hospital, if an ambulance took her, if she drove herself, or the grandparents drove her?

I can't find anything about how she got to the hospital, if an ambulance took her, if she drove herself, or the grandparents drove her?

Hi Monkeys,
I've been lurking but now have question....  Is there any video footage of MH talking to the media or was it only a  phone interview??   

Wow, thanks for that. Do you know when the past suicides took place? So the grandparents have her and her child, who should not have been with Melissa, living with them, did they just repeatedly close their eyes to Melissa's issues? Cindy and George Anthony come to mind.

Hi Monkeys,
I've been lurking but now have question....  Is there any video footage of MH talking to the media or was it only a  phone interview??   

Her grandparents probably took them in so she wouldn't be alone with her child.

Legally there is only so much you can do with a mentally ill adult. They can be on med's but you can't make them take them. You can encourage they get help and even insist upon it but you can't if you don't have insurance most places won't keep you any length of time.

The mental health system sucks as much as the jail system that lets sex offenders back out on the street.

Someone asked me about the Haleigh Cummings case while I was trying to do the read for Sandra. I've never "looked" at the Cummings case and frankly did not KNOW about it...before this person asked. (Those aren't the kinds of news reports I pay attention to usually.)

I think Tailor or Traynor was a message on locating the town of Tracy, California. Letter "T" in the name and all that. But I will grant you that if you are tryings, psychically, to pick up on "Missing""child""female" "In the United States"...you are liable to pick up all kinds of cases before your spiritual helpers "missile lock" you on the case you WANT. Like a computer search I guess. You look for "blue cars"...you'll get millions of hits. You look for "blue cars" "train"...you'll get to see a bunch of boxcars. We got tons of missing kids in the is country. Sad to say.

I appreciate the idea of trying to lend credence to my theory that Sandra was headed to a movie night...but I think it's time to call a spade a spade and admit that I need to send my Scooby-Doo Junior Investigators ring back in shame. :smile: I got the impression of a church...then I ran with that to a movie night at a different WRONG church. I think I'm going to call "Fail!" on myself for that one and move on.

To recap....Church part: Seems to be correct. Headed to movie night: Too much Scooby Doo as a child.

I sure am with you on that. And the stigma of mental health issues, is another issue. All so infuriating.

How awful for the other woman, Melissa Huckabee. The woman has two children, maybe that's where the confusion is with this Melissa thinking she had two children?

http://cbs5.com/crime/Melissa.Huckaby.suicide.2.985418.html

15, 2009 8:24 am US/Pacific

Huckaby Swallowed Knife Blades Before Arrest
 
The Sunday school teacher accused with raping and murdering an 8-year-old Tracy girl attempted suicide days before her arrest in the case, CBS News has learned.

Melissa Huckaby was hospitalized after swallowing three X-Acto knife blades, reports CBS News correspondent John Blackstone. She remained under suicide watch after being formally charged Tuesday with kidnapping, raping and murdering her daughter's playmate, Sandra Cantu.

Huckaby was formally charged by prosecutors Tuesday with murder, kidnapping and special circumstances of rape with a foreign object and lewd and lascivious conduct involving a child.

Hours later, authorities again served search warrants at Huckaby's home and the church where she taught Sunday school. Tracy police Sgt. Tony Sheneman confirmed the evening searches, but would not discuss what evidence officers had found or were looking for.

On Tuesday afternoon, Huckaby stood in court wearing a red jail jumpsuit as Judge Richard A. Vlavi read the charges to her. She cried during the proceedings,  prompting public defender Ellen Schwarzenberg put her arm on Huckaby's back -- carressing it as if to calm her down.
 (snipped)

Wow Wyks, that fish story is something, a faster sense of peace  ::MonkeyEek:: I'm even wondering if this case will be plead out?

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/us_world/2009/04/14/2009-04-14_death_penalty_considered_for_suspec.html

Huckaby is charged with one count of murder that includes tacked-on "special circumstances" for kidnapping, lewd conduct with a child and rape by a foreign object. The "special circumstances" means prosecutors could seek the death penalty.

If they don't, Huckaby faces life without parole if convicted. Prosecutors did not offer a motive for the shocking crime.

"You could do an entire psychological seminar, write a thesis or spend your entire life trying to figure out a motive here," a source close to the case said, calling it "pointless" to search for an excuse for such sickening behavior.


From me - FCL.
We are not the only ones baffled, PO, and concerned about this.  And if the autopsy comes back with suffocation for the COD that will be the nail on the head for me. We do need to know the motive for this crime so that it can be studied.  To make light of this is a joke when we see it more and more everyday.  So I know some will disagree but for now I will call it what it is ... a sex crime.  JMO

She needs to pay for what she did, there is no doubt about it. Everyone has choices, everyone has skeletons in their closets. I have literally been so upset at my ex I had to control myself as to not throw something at him. I found that control, as do millions of other people and we stopped from doing something that would harm another person.

I don't get pedophilia at all. I don't understand why someone would want to do this to a child or get turned on by seeing a child. It is so un-natural, especially for a woman. We are wired to care and protect children, not to do this. I have read so many times an abuser was once a victim, why? Not why they turn to abuse, that is basic psychology, but why do they not get the help they need to not turn into abusers. This doesn't happen to all victims though, many turn that pain of being victimized into advocating. So why some vicitms become abusers and others, not? That is the million dollar question I think.     

I do not condone what she did, not for one second, however if it is found out she herself is a victim of molestation I find it sad. She obviously didn't get the help needed to recover from her ordeal and if her family knew about it but choose to ignore it, they are somewhat responsible for what happened to Sandra. So too, if the parents/family knew about a mental illness so serious she would kill and rape a child yet they did what so many parents/family do, choose to ignore it, look past it, make excuses for it, I hope each one feels the guilt of this child's death for the rest of their lives.

Is it ok to ask, if it is found MH is a victim of sexual abuse, will that change the way you feel about this case and about her?

She needs to pay for what she did, there is no doubt about it. Everyone has choices, everyone has skeletons in their closets. I have literally been so upset at my ex I had to control myself as to not throw something at him. I found that control, as do millions of other people and we stopped from doing something that would harm another person.

I don't get pedophilia at all. I don't understand why someone would want to do this to a child or get turned on by seeing a child. It is so un-natural, especially for a woman. We are wired to care and protect children, not to do this. I have read so many times an abuser was once a victim, why? Not why they turn to abuse, that is basic psychology, but why do they not get the help they need to not turn into abusers. This doesn't happen to all victims though, many turn that pain of being victimized into advocating. So why some vicitms become abusers and others, not? That is the million dollar question I think.     

I do not condone what she did, not for one second, however if it is found out she herself is a victim of molestation I find it sad. She obviously didn't get the help needed to recover from her ordeal and if her family knew about it but choose to ignore it, they are somewhat responsible for what happened to Sandra. So too, if the parents/family knew about a mental illness so serious she would kill and rape a child yet they did what so many parents/family do, choose to ignore it, look past it, make excuses for it, I hope each one feels the guilt of this child's death for the rest of their lives.

Is it ok to ask, if it is found MH is a victim of sexual abuse, will that change the way you feel about this case and about her?

Thanks Maven and Stacey, I just can't get over that someone would swallow razor blades  ::MonkeyEek:: What gets me is, why would the hospital release her, after an incident like that? You would think they maybe could have done more before they released her, I don't know?

She needs to pay for what she did, there is no doubt about it. Everyone has choices, everyone has skeletons in their closets. I have literally been so upset at my ex I had to control myself as to not throw something at him. I found that control, as do millions of other people and we stopped from doing something that would harm another person.

I don't get pedophilia at all. I don't understand why someone would want to do this to a child or get turned on by seeing a child. It is so un-natural, especially for a woman. We are wired to care and protect children, not to do this. I have read so many times an abuser was once a victim, why? Not why they turn to abuse, that is basic psychology, but why do they not get the help they need to not turn into abusers. This doesn't happen to all victims though, many turn that pain of being victimized into advocating. So why some vicitms become abusers and others, not? That is the million dollar question I think.     

I do not condone what she did, not for one second, however if it is found out she herself is a victim of molestation I find it sad. She obviously didn't get the help needed to recover from her ordeal and if her family knew about it but choose to ignore it, they are somewhat responsible for what happened to Sandra. So too, if the parents/family knew about a mental illness so serious she would kill and rape a child yet they did what so many parents/family do, choose to ignore it, look past it, make excuses for it, I hope each one feels the guilt of this child's death for the rest of their lives.

Is it ok to ask, if it is found MH is a victim of sexual abuse, will that change the way you feel about this case and about her?

If she was indeed a victim all I would change is that her abuser would have murdered her, stuffed her in a suitcase and dumped her in a dirty pond. Then maybe Sandra would still be with us.

Am I the only one who still has the weird porn ring/cult type of feeling about this one?  I'm not sure if there's been anything new that I don't know about.  (I didn't see anything in this new thread, unless I just missed something!)

Any abuse in her past would not change my feelings towards her whatsoever. I had so sympathy for her watching her in court yesterday. If she is proven to be abused as a child I certainly feel bad about that, and I can relate to that on a personal level. The major difference is I have never and I would never even think about abusing a child, I got chills just hearing the charges against her being read yesterday.

Lots of people were abused as children and grow up to be healthy adults, who do not turn and abuse others. If she tries to use that as an excuse I find that very sick.

Any abuse in her past would not change my feelings towards her whatsoever. I had so sympathy for her watching her in court yesterday. If she is proven to be abused as a child I certainly feel bad about that, and I can relate to that on a personal level. The major difference is I have never and I would never even think about abusing a child, I got chills just hearing the charges against her being read yesterday.

Lots of people were abused as children and grow up to be healthy adults, who do not turn and abuse others. If she tries to use that as an excuse I find that very sick.

I sure am with you on that. And the stigma of mental health issues, is another issue. All so infuriating.

I don't know if I can agree with that. No child ever should ever be abused, murderd, stuffed into a suitcase and dumped, no child.

I agree.  Being abused in my past I actually find it offensive for someone to use that as an excuse! (does that make sense?)

Any abuse in her past would not change my feelings towards her whatsoever. I had so sympathy for her watching her in court yesterday. If she is proven to be abused as a child I certainly feel bad about that, and I can relate to that on a personal level. The major difference is I have never and I would never even think about abusing a child, I got chills just hearing the charges against her being read yesterday.

Lots of people were abused as children and grow up to be healthy adults, who do not turn and abuse others. If she tries to use that as an excuse I find that very sick.

Absolutely, FCL. Agreed. A motive is critical, and will be established, imo. You know why? She cant defend herself without one.
I hate to be so stuck on an issue, but Gramma Connie is the only person professing her innocense. You know, the other person who was at home when this happened-
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Yes that is true, but why? What is the reason some grow up to not abuse and some do? It seems to me regardless of how offensive that is to us, (I too am a victim of abuse just so you know) unless we find out why this happens our children, their children, and their children are not truly be safe, kwim?

I am a victim of abuse and the person who abused me was also a victim of abused, and that person who abused him was most likely abused... In some cases it is a cycle. I stopped the cycle however so please do not think other wise. I think this is because I faced it, dealt with it and decided to not be a victim of it anymore. That was me though, can't say that is the answer to all of this.

She needs to pay for what she did, there is no doubt about it. Everyone has choices, everyone has skeletons in their closets. I have literally been so upset at my ex I had to control myself as to not throw something at him. I found that control, as do millions of other people and we stopped from doing something that would harm another person.

I don't get pedophilia at all. I don't understand why someone would want to do this to a child or get turned on by seeing a child. It is so un-natural, especially for a woman. We are wired to care and protect children, not to do this. I have read so many times an abuser was once a victim, why? Not why they turn to abuse, that is basic psychology, but why do they not get the help they need to not turn into abusers. This doesn't happen to all victims though, many turn that pain of being victimized into advocating. So why some vicitms become abusers and others, not? That is the million dollar question I think.     

I do not condone what she did, not for one second, however if it is found out she herself is a victim of molestation I find it sad. She obviously didn't get the help needed to recover from her ordeal and if her family knew about it but choose to ignore it, they are somewhat responsible for what happened to Sandra. So too, if the parents/family knew about a mental illness so serious she would kill and rape a child yet they did what so many parents/family do, choose to ignore it, look past it, make excuses for it, I hope each one feels the guilt of this child's death for the rest of their lives.

Is it ok to ask, if it is found MH is a victim of sexual abuse, will that change the way you feel about this case and about her?

Am I the only one who still has the weird porn ring/cult type of feeling about this one?  I'm not sure if there's been anything new that I don't know about.  (I didn't see anything in this new thread, unless I just missed something!)

Hi MunkeyMunk, welcome!  (http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq117/Wyks_/Smilies/wavehi.gif)

Deenie that was an excellent post. Grandma Connie has been on my radar, I don't know what it is about her, there was a look she gave during an interview, that made me upset. Also when asked what was taken from the house by LE, Connie made the statement, phones, computers, the usual stuff that is taken, struck me odd a woman of that age would say that.

No Rose you just reminded of Something -
MH told LE - I Have NO internet therefore she could not go online to report the suitcase stolen.

And yet she has a Myspace and a Facebook  -

Your words triggered me-  That they had their Computers taken from the Lawless home.. so when did they take the Computers away? The Evening of the 27th?  ::MonkeyEek::
I don't know ...does anyone know?

Just now having a chance to catch up today - wow! 7 pages already since I checked in a few hours ago!

I wanted to thank AZSunny for bringing JazzTune's post over from the previous closed thread (back on page 1). Highly informative (from the viewpoint of an experienced psych nurse) and very helpful as always! Definitely brings insight to all of us here as we try to figure this one out.

Thanks JazzTune & AZSunny!

Hi Monkeys. - big post ... after watching the Vid of MH in Court.
After watching MH on the video of her in Court and watching her responses ..My Mind is perplexed. That and It has been said over and over that for a Woman to molest/murder another's child is almost unheard of.
Watching her melt during at Key words when the Judge is talking - her emotions hit - for the words of Sandra, Rape, Murder and Foreign Object
I do not think she did it. I think she Witnessed the Rape, Murder of Sandra and she was there ..but I don't think she herself did these unforgivable acts of rape/murder.
I think too she is not solely responsible for Luring, Kidnapping and Drugging Sandra .. she was instructed to find a child and Sandra being in the wrong place at the wrong time...
It was perfect planning. The entire city was attending the Funeral of a Slain Police Officer. 20k residents standing curbside .. All LE were at the Funeral. All at the Same Time Sandra was last seen.

It all goes back to the little girl she had in her possession at the Park that she returned home to her Mother drugged. That seems not to be in the media. Why is that? Because its being investigated and its under wraps. Its hush hush.   
I think that MH implicated herself to keep LE away from her Grandparents and knows everything that happened to Sandra .. because she was part of it and she witnessed all of it. Why she so wanted to protect the Grandparents is imo there is an alliance that goes deeper than family.

Connie Lawless was in the Home when Sandra came over .. Connie Lawless knew Madison was not in the house. Connie knew that Melissa was lying that she said she turned Sandra away because Madison had to pick up her toys,  when she gave the statements to Media and LE.
Connie made statements that Sandra had been abused. WHY? would a doting Grandmother who had her own Great Granddaughter of 5 yrs of age playing with Sandra say that? As she said in her first breath that Sandra was a perfect child and loved by our family and was always welcomed in our home.
Would she not have done something about it ..if it were true that Sandra was abused? Or was she using choice words when interviewed by LE. Her subconscious mind speaking.  Connie Lawless is no angel in my mind.
I think that MH Lured Sandra into her Home. She drugged her and stuffed her into the Suitcase.
The Church and MH - MH - It's been speculated that she was only a volunteer at the church ..not the Sunday School teacher. No one has made it clear that she was indeed the Sunday School Teacher. That and people have stated that they never see Cars in the Church parking lot. That the congregation is at best a handful of people. No one has made it clear that there actually was Services held at this building in a very long time if ever.
MH Made up a story for LE that she had a suitcase filled with decorations to take to the church. She set it in the driveway, realized she had no keys and no cell. Went back into the house to look. Could not find them, grabbed her spare set ..drove off to the church.
WITHOUT the Suitcase.  She realizes after the fact.. hmmm

The Neighborhood.
I have to say this, knowing the Lawless were an elderly couple- to have something stolen out of your driveway mid day is very unlikely. If anything - if the suitcase sat for any great length of time .. Connie Lawless herself would have noticed it, and or a Neighbor would have taken it and brought it to the attention of Connie.. You left a suitcase in your driveway.  It simply would not go POOF.

MH Contends and Calls LE.
My Suitcase was Stolen. The Same Day Sandra is reported Missing. But her Report comes into LE after Sandra is reported Missing which would have been after 8 pm.
Yet she did not go to the Church after 8 pm. She went during the Time that Sandra was walking around the MHP. She had just turned Sandra away, that Madison was not able to play. So in 4 hours plus it took MH to figure out after going to the church to take the decorations .. minus the suitcase ..4-5pm ..took her that many hours to figure out the suitcase was STOLEN. No. Because it was never stolen. YET she felt that she needed to Tell someone that her Suitcase was stolen/missing .. WHY?
WAS it because FRED or another person could have been SEEN removing the Suitcase from the LAWLESS Driveway ....and she wanted to cover her tracks.
Everyone knowing that Sandra had "friends" that she would visit and go to in route to certain homes first. Well that would dismiss the Lawless because they all said - She was Here but she was turned away because Madison could not play.. we sent Sandra away.
I think that Sandra was stuffed inside the suitcase as it sat in the Driveway for a short amount of time. And someone maybe FRED  or another came and picked it up. Therefore, from that Moment the Trail of Sandra is no longer traced to the Lawless house nor anywhere.

I think that MH has been abused herself by the same people. I think that she is a broken woman for many reasons. MH as I see it.  Her in Retrospect -suffers from Stockholm syndrome.  A psychological response the victims became emotionally attached to their victimizers regardless of the danger or risk in which they have been placed.
Her past shows that she has been on a downward spiral. She was weak and had nothing to lose by being involved in all of this, or that she has some sick alliance to these people ..she figured at the time .. I can't fall much further than I am now ..and someone offered her $$$$ " Just find us a child". You won't be involved.. your the last person that anyone would look at.  Keep your mouth shut. Play the Game. Do as your told. You will be compensated.
BUT MH's conscience got the best of her. And she made statements that opened doors and now she is where she is. And the people who are involved they walk away. Why ? because MH has a past on record for being unstable and etc. She is nothing to them.
She may not say anything due to it would implicate people that are the closest to her. That maybe who ever is the Kingpin has threatened her daughter life or something to that extent. 
I think that Sandra was simply in the wrong place at the wrong time ..and that this was Planned not for Sandra but for a Child to be taken and used/abused and murdered. Used for Child Porn and God knows what else and this will all come out.
I Think that this Case is so much Bigger than MH - and it will be found out. She is going to Talk at one point. Maybe not to save herself. But she will talk, and with what she says it will offer enough information to start putting pieces together of a puzzle - that will lead to more connections & convictions I pray.

Justice For Sandra  :smt059

I didn’t ask you to agree with me. You asked for my opinion and I gave it. If it would have saved Sandra from this monster then that's how I feel. Personal abuse is no excuse for abuse and murder of another. There are way too many abused people in this country that don't carry on the tradition. She is a monster and I have no regard or empathy for her

Except that Melissa may not in fact be the monster as you describe.  It appears to be that way, yes.  However, we don't have all the facts in this situation, LE has not released every single bit of info that they do know. 

All we know at this point is that Sandra ended up dead and in a suitcase at the hands of someone, and THAT person/s is the monster, IMO. 

Please lets remember that while Melissa is being charged for this awful thing, she has not yet been to trial, has not yet been proven beyond a shadow of doubt to be the guilty one (and only one) by the prosecution and jury of her peers. 

No matter how we each may feel about it, this process needs to happen first, kwim? 

Hi Monkeys. - big post ... after watching the Vid of MH in Court.
After watching MH on the video of her in Court and watching her responses ..My Mind is perplexed. That and It has been said over and over that for a Woman to molest/murder another's child is almost unheard of.
Watching her melt during at Key words when the Judge is talking - her emotions hit - for the words of Sandra, Rape, Murder and Foreign Object
I do not think she did it. I think she Witnessed the Rape, Murder of Sandra and she was there ..but I don't think she herself did these unforgivable acts of rape/murder.
I think too she is not solely responsible for Luring, Kidnapping and Drugging Sandra .. she was instructed to find a child and Sandra being in the wrong place at the wrong time...
It was perfect planning. The entire city was attending the Funeral of a Slain Police Officer. 20k residents standing curbside .. All LE were at the Funeral. All at the Same Time Sandra was last seen.

It all goes back to the little girl she had in her possession at the Park that she returned home to her Mother drugged. That seems not to be in the media. Why is that? Because its being investigated and its under wraps. Its hush hush.   
I think that MH implicated herself to keep LE away from her Grandparents and knows everything that happened to Sandra .. because she was part of it and she witnessed all of it. Why she so wanted to protect the Grandparents is imo there is an alliance that goes deeper than family.

Connie Lawless was in the Home when Sandra came over .. Connie Lawless knew Madison was not in the house. Connie knew that Melissa was lying that she said she turned Sandra away because Madison had to pick up her toys,  when she gave the statements to Media and LE.
Connie made statements that Sandra had been abused. WHY? would a doting Grandmother who had her own Great Granddaughter of 5 yrs of age playing with Sandra say that? As she said in her first breath that Sandra was a perfect child and loved by our family and was always welcomed in our home.
Would she not have done something about it ..if it were true that Sandra was abused? Or was she using choice words when interviewed by LE. Her subconscious mind speaking.  Connie Lawless is no angel in my mind.
I think that MH Lured Sandra into her Home. She drugged her and stuffed her into the Suitcase.
The Church and MH - MH - It's been speculated that she was only a volunteer at the church ..not the Sunday School teacher. No one has made it clear that she was indeed the Sunday School Teacher. That and people have stated that they never see Cars in the Church parking lot. That the congregation is at best a handful of people. No one has made it clear that there actually was Services held at this building in a very long time if ever.
MH Made up a story for LE that she had a suitcase filled with decorations to take to the church. She set it in the driveway, realized she had no keys and no cell. Went back into the house to look. Could not find them, grabbed her spare set ..drove off to the church.
WITHOUT the Suitcase.  She realizes after the fact.. hmmm

The Neighborhood.
I have to say this, knowing the Lawless were an elderly couple- to have something stolen out of your driveway mid day is very unlikely. If anything - if the suitcase sat for any great length of time .. Connie Lawless herself would have noticed it, and or a Neighbor would have taken it and brought it to the attention of Connie.. You left a suitcase in your driveway.  It simply would not go POOF.

MH Contends and Calls LE.
My Suitcase was Stolen. The Same Day Sandra is reported Missing. But her Report comes into LE after Sandra is reported Missing which would have been after 8 pm.
Yet she did not go to the Church after 8 pm. She went during the Time that Sandra was walking around the MHP. She had just turned Sandra away, that Madison was not able to play. So in 4 hours plus it took MH to figure out after going to the church to take the decorations .. minus the suitcase ..4-5pm ..took her that many hours to figure out the suitcase was STOLEN. No. Because it was never stolen. YET she felt that she needed to Tell someone that her Suitcase was stolen/missing .. WHY?
WAS it because FRED or another person could have been SEEN removing the Suitcase from the LAWLESS Driveway ....and she wanted to cover her tracks.
Everyone knowing that Sandra had "friends" that she would visit and go to in route to certain homes first. Well that would dismiss the Lawless because they all said - She was Here but she was turned away because Madison could not play.. we sent Sandra away.
I think that Sandra was stuffed inside the suitcase as it sat in the Driveway for a short amount of time. And someone maybe FRED  or another came and picked it up. Therefore, from that Moment the Trail of Sandra is no longer traced to the Lawless house nor anywhere.

I think that MH has been abused herself by the same people. I think that she is a broken woman for many reasons. MH as I see it.  Her in Retrospect -suffers from Stockholm syndrome.  A psychological response the victims became emotionally attached to their victimizers regardless of the danger or risk in which they have been placed.
Her past shows that she has been on a downward spiral. She was weak and had nothing to lose by being involved in all of this, or that she has some sick alliance to these people ..she figured at the time .. I can't fall much further than I am now ..and someone offered her $$$$ " Just find us a child". You won't be involved.. your the last person that anyone would look at.  Keep your mouth shut. Play the Game. Do as your told. You will be compensated.
BUT MH's conscience got the best of her. And she made statements that opened doors and now she is where she is. And the people who are involved they walk away. Why ? because MH has a past on record for being unstable and etc. She is nothing to them.
She may not say anything due to it would implicate people that are the closest to her. That maybe who ever is the Kingpin has threatened her daughter life or something to that extent. 
I think that Sandra was simply in the wrong place at the wrong time ..and that this was Planned not for Sandra but for a Child to be taken and used/abused and murdered. Used for Child Porn and God knows what else and this will all come out.
I Think that this Case is so much Bigger than MH - and it will be found out. She is going to Talk at one point. Maybe not to save herself. But she will talk, and with what she says it will offer enough information to start putting pieces together of a puzzle - that will lead to more connections & convictions I pray.

Justice For Sandra  :smt059

In my Mind - MH did not rape/murder Sandra.
She did Lure Her, Drug Her and Stuff her in that Suitcase to get her out of the MHP
She Witnessed Sandra being Raped and Killed
That's what I think. And I believe that MH is part of a Sick Society of Perps - being that she once was a victim herself.
What is the phrase
Keep Your Friends Close and Your Enemies Closer -
What happens when you have no friends and all you have is " Family" and they are  friend/enemy/foe/mind control/ and take control over your 5 yr old ....

Why did they send Madison away? When all the family is coming out of the woodwork and saying ... We have not talked to Melissa in Months or longer .. No contact.
Yet Madison is sent away to them the estranged Family-  prior to the days of Sandra  reported missing.

Why and who made that decision ? 

http://www.kcra.com/news/19185819/detail.html

Cantu Mourned At Private Tracy Funeral
Woman Accused Of Killing Sandra Cantu

POSTED: 5:57 am PDT April 15, 2009
UPDATED: 12:45 pm PDT April 15, 2009

TRACY, Calif. -- A private funeral was held in Tracy Wednesday for slain 8-year-old Sandra Cantu.
Many of those in attendance at Fry Memorial Chapel wore a ribbon with a picture of the girl.

Outside of the chapel, the child's casket was placed in a horse-drawn carriage and taken to Tracy Mausoleum.

That horse drawn carraige got me.... ::MonkeyWaa::
Rest in peace sweet little Sandra. Our town will never forget you.

Thank-you catbert, I found that very interesting, especially this part.   We certainly wonder if this woman was a victim of sexual abuse herself," Moore said.  "If she was reenacting something and it ended up being fatal. That is a very reasonable question to wonder about in this case.  If so she's certainly traumatized and probably chronically traumatized and is probably feeling a tremendous mix of emotion right now which is probably quite genuine."       Chronically traumatized what does that mean, I know what chronic means, but I'm not sure if chronically traumatized, means that all the time she is traumatized, and gets very little break from the trauma of abuse? ::MonkeyConfused::

Thanks Wyks ::MonkeyWink::

Thanks maven for posting that, and Tracygirl that horse drawn carriage got me also. What a beautiful idea though, I can just imagine how many people were at the funeral, and tomorrow, the public memorial, I'm sure will be packed.

Found some info on MK & JH from Shawnee Co Court records. Not sure if this is Melissa and her ex husband but it was reported Johnny Huckaby was from the Topeka area.  I don't know if it was reported what John Huckaby's present wife's name is but if this is MH's ex then it looks like these records are showing JH's wife as Amanda. It also shows she is or was in the military and they have judgements against them for unpaid medical bills.  I also came across on another search a marriage license for Johnny Huckaby filed in Dec 2006 in Topeka.

http://www.shawneecourt.org/doe/search.jsp?caseNumber=&first=&middle=&last=huckaby&CV=Y&CR=Y&DM=Y&PR=Y&TR=Y&mob=&yob=&location=internet




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    Case Number: 07R 000079
    Petitioner:   HUCKABY,MELISSA,,    Attorney:   ROWE,WARD,,
    Respondent:   HUCKABY,JOHN,,    Attorney:   N/A
    Division:   13
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    10/17/2007   -   IV-D Interstate Information Memo
    10/17/2007   -   NOTICE OF INTENT TO REQUEST INCOME WITHHOLDING FILED
    10/17/2007   -   NOTICE OF REGISTRATION OF FOREIGN SUPPORT ORDER FOR ENFORCEMENT PURPOSES ONLY FILED
    10/17/2007   -   COPY OF MINUTES AND ORDER FOR JUDGMENT
    10/17/2007   -   COPY OF JUDGMENT
    10/17/2007   -   COPY OF AFFIDAVIT OF ACCRUED ARREARS
    10/17/2007   -   COPY OF ADDRESS INFORMATION REQUEST
    10/17/2007   -   Request for Service filed.
    10/17/2007   -   NOTICE OF INTENT IWO,NOTICE OF REGISTRATION issued as to JOHN HUCKABY personal service to the Sheriff of SHAWNEE County, KS.
    10/29/2007   -   NOTICE OF INTENT IWO,NOTICE OF REGISTRATION returned, personal service - as to JOHN HUCKABY 10/25/07 . Entered by 1153.
    12/13/2007   -   Order to Withhold Income for Child Support - JDJ
    12/17/2007   -   ORDER CONFIRMING REGISTRATION OF FOREIGN SUPPORT ORDER FOR ENFORCEMENT PURPOSES ONLY FILED - JDJ
    12/20/2007   -   Notice to Withhold Income for Child Support.
    01/02/2008   -   Notice of assignment of support rights filed IV-D AFDC.
    01/09/2008   -   RENEWAL AFFIDAVIT FILED
    02/25/2008   -   Removed from active docket on 12/17/07.
    08/25/2008   -   Case transfered Div 04 to Div 13,New Judicial Assignment.NEP
    09/04/2008   -   NOTICE OF AN ORDER TO WITHHOLD INCOME FOR CHILD SUPPORT FILED
    02/11/2009   -   Notice to Withhold Income for Child Support.

If in fact she is proven guilty, then in my eyes she is a monster. If she played ANY part in the demise of Sandra she is still a monster.

No you aren't the only one, several of us have shared and shared our feelings on that. 

The part about the horse drawn carriage made me  ::MonkeyWaa:: too. I'm sure there will be very many people at the public memorial tomorrow, little Sandra has touched the hearts of many.
Justice for Sandra

Yes, you're on the right track, NoRose.  A person who is 'chronically traumatized' is one who has had horrific trauma repeated over and over, without let up.  What can happen as a result of this, is that it tends to affect the person's ability to recover emotionally and develop as a healthy functioning adult.  And because the trauma is all that person has ever known, it can repeat in the next generation and so on.  Some folks however, are able somehow to go in the opposite direction, with a mindset on not allowing that cycle to repeat. 

I was going to the memorial, now i have to work:( I was told if a person wanted to get in to get there very early. I was going to go at 10.

Sounds like this Johnny may also be of an unquestionable character since it seems like he packs up and flees everytime he racks up debt. Oh and in the court records for his medical bills it also states he has changed his name to JOHN L Huckaby......hmmm trying to run and hide from something?

I know that several of us have talked about it for a while, I just thought I was sensing a change of heart or direction at the beginning of this new thread since some of the focus was on a possible mental illness, etc.   Just a quick barometer check!

I do understand that, N2WISHN.  How very hard this must be for Sandra's family, waiting for justice.  Am thinking if it were me, it would be hard to hold me back, ya know? 

For example, I believe that Jessica Lunsford's dad showed great patience and restraint during trial.  Am thinking I would have hopped over that rail many times to take things into my own hands.  Sigh. 

Online memorial for Sandra Renee Cantu:

Fry Memorial Chapel
http://www.frymemorialchapel.com/obit-service-schedule.jsp?site=0414&id=43353

 ::MonkeyWaa::

I know that several of us have talked about it for a while, I just thought I was sensing a change of heart or direction at the beginning of this new thread since some of the focus was on a possible mental illness, etc.   Just a quick barometer check!

snipped Tracygirl
Deenie I do believe the story MH told about not having Internet access was meant as she didn't have access at the church where she was.
Grandma Lawless may not be one of the abusers but may be the enabler. Sort of like the person who ignores the big elephant in the room and cleans up after everyone. That is what I get from her. Her husband on the other hand....I get a strange vibe from him. He is always quiet and seems people do the talking for him. At first I thought maybe he was suffering from dementia but I have heard me speak, he does not have it from what I can tell. There is something in his eyes, not sure if it is anger at what his grand daughter did or what. I can't put my finger on it.
I can't explain it, but he is on my radar as well as Fred Williams.
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Thank you TG.
I agree with you - that Grandma Lawless is blind to what is - and Has had a HUGE Elephant in her life that she has become accustomed to..that As you said she herself is an Enabler. I totally believe that. Yet there is a time and a place when the Glass breaks ..that you have to stand up and tell the Truth. And she Lied. She lied about Sandra and that to me is unforgivable. She lied and agreed with MH's Statement that Sandra had been turned away, due to Madison could not play. When she knew Madison was not even there. If my facts are wrong ..then I am wrong. I too have a weird vibe off of Pastor Lawless. I do not trust his words nor his character. Just because you have a label of Pastor does not mean anything to me. Not when you have no followers of your church to speak of known. That he has no one to stand up for his Character .. No one of his so called congregation has come forward for him .. to say anything good, bad or indifferent - Only One person did speak for him and that was Melissa Huckaby (which was leave him alone to LE) . Fred is a huge part of this as well. He has not been a focus as of yet. He will be.
Irregardless - It to me all comes down to one thing - and that is if you have a clear conscience the truth will never be disputed. And all the words that come from the Lawless Family & Fred are all in dispute.

I know you TG of all people that have been in Sandra's cages - you Joined for Sandra, because Your heart, and I know you seek justice not only for Sandra but for you and your community. My heart is with you. I am so glad your here. Your contributions bring Comfort. Your words mean a lot :smt056

I am so over the edge in the manner Sandra was abused and then thrown in that filthy pond. And if in fact it was Sandra's trusted Sunday School teacher and neighbor she was friends with make it all the worse. Mark Lunsford really did contain himself and one can only try to imagine the violent emotions he had to deal with considering I'm dealing with such venom within myself and I didn't even know Sandra.

Online memorial for Sandra Renee Cantu:

Fry Memorial Chapel
http://www.frymemorialchapel.com/obit-service-schedule.jsp?site=0414&id=43353

 ::MonkeyWaa::

::MonkeyCool::

Finding Johnny will be interesting as he may have dirt on the Lawless crew

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I just feel like if a man had committed this crime we wouldn't be looking for porn rings, drug/medication issues, accomplices, past sexual abuse problems, etc etc we would have him hung already.
Yet I know how very rare this is and how hard it is to come to terms with in my mind so it makes it that much harder to deal with my anger and I can't help but call it how I see it.

I just feel like if a man had committed this crime we wouldn't be looking for porn rings, drug/medication issues, accomplices, past sexual abuse problems, etc etc we would have him hung already.

Yet I know how very rare this is and how hard it is to come to terms with in my mind so it makes it that much harder to deal with my anger and I can't help but call it how I see it.

Thank-you. I was wondering also, while many, many people after being abused as a child, can as you say, go in the opposite direction , with a mindset on not allowing that cycle to repeat. I guess what I'm wondering is the people that can go forward and lead a productive life, after what has all happened to them, they are a much stronger human being, that can move forward. But for some people, is it because they are weaker, or have some problem mentally, that they continue to repeat the cycle? That some people just can't move away from the aftermath of abuse, no matter how hard they have tired even with professional help?

I think the porn ring would be an easier concept if it were a man. I mean I know women look at porn just as a man does, but this is about children??? WTH? Then she is a mother for gosh sakes. that is what stuns me more then her being a volunteer sunday school teacher or her neighbor, she is a mother. As a mother how could she do this? Thats my anger point.

I hear ya Flossy!  As new info is released, we get to tweak our theories and include that info somehow.  The focus may be on understanding the new info at the moment, which maybe is why it feels different to you.  I still have the porn ring/cult thing as my topmost theory, and a possible mental illness and being on meds only adds into that theory.  IMO.  Am betting before this is over, we'll be finding out a lot that adds into it all. 

And yet, as others have said, *if* it's proven out that Melissa did this alone, or had a hand in it, no matter what info is added as time goes on, still doesn't IMO excuse her for whatever part she may have played in it. 

There are many folks everywhere who are dealing with some sort of issues from their past, on or off meds, who still manage to make the right choices in life, without bringing harm to anyone else.  Choices bring consequences, good or bad.  IMO. 
 

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::MonkeyCool::

Finding Johnny will be interesting as he may have dirt on the Lawless crew

I hear ya Flossy!  As new info is released, we get to tweak our theories and include that info somehow.  The focus may be on understanding the new info at the moment, which maybe is why it feels different to you.  I still have the porn ring/cult thing as my topmost theory, and a possible mental illness and being on meds only adds into that theory.  IMO.  Am betting before this is over, we'll be finding out a lot that adds into it all. 

And yet, as others have said, *if* it's proven out that Melissa did this alone, or had a hand in it, no matter what info is added as time goes on, still doesn't IMO excuse her for whatever part she may have played in it. 

There are many folks everywhere who are dealing with some sort of issues from their past, on or off meds, who still manage to make the right choices in life, without bringing harm to anyone else.  Choices bring consequences, good or bad.  IMO. 
 

I am so over the edge in the manner Sandra was abused and then thrown in that filthy pond. And if in fact it was Sandra's trusted Sunday School teacher and neighbor she was friends with make it all the worse. Mark Lunsford really did contain himself and one can only try to imagine the violent emotions he had to deal with considering I'm dealing with such venom within myself and I didn't even know Sandra.

I just feel like if a man had committed this crime we wouldn't be looking for porn rings, drug/medication issues, accomplices, past sexual abuse problems, etc etc we would have him hung already.

Yet I know how very rare this is and how hard it is to come to terms with in my mind so it makes it that much harder to deal with my anger and I can't help but call it how I see it.

I just feel like if a man had committed this crime we wouldn't be looking for porn rings, drug/medication issues, accomplices, past sexual abuse problems, etc etc we would have him hung already.

Yet I know how very rare this is and how hard it is to come to terms with in my mind so it makes it that much harder to deal with my anger and I can't help but call it how I see it.

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I just feel like if a man had committed this crime we wouldn't be looking for porn rings, drug/medication issues, accomplices, past sexual abuse problems, etc etc we would have him hung already.

Yet I know how very rare this is and how hard it is to come to terms with in my mind so it makes it that much harder to deal with my anger and I can't help but call it how I see it.

http://www.khou.com/topstories/stories/khou090219_mh_child_porn_woman.30e3447d.html

Tell me does this woman look like one who looks at child porn?  Shocked me!  You just never know.  It's there and its getting worse.

http://www.khou.com/topstories/stories/khou090219_mh_child_porn_woman.30e3447d.html

Tell me does this woman look like one who looks at child porn?  Shocked me!  You just never know.  It's there and its getting worse.

Ok I wish I didn't read the article. Infants in diapers being raped screaming for their mothers.... ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyWaa:: Horrible!!! What is wrong with the world.

I have to log off now, I need a break

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I do agree that if she did, in fact, act alone, there has to be something off.  Maybe it's wishful thinking, I don't know.  I guess I don't want to think that a woman who is mentally sound could do something like this.  Maybe I just don't want to admit that there is such evil.  Seeing her at the arraignment was definitely not the same feeling as when we see Casey at any court appearance.  I didn't get the feeling of looking at a monster like I do when Caseface is plastered all over the TV with that smug look on her mug.

I kept re-reading, thinking I had missed something but I guess her mental state was just being explored.  You brave peeps, you!

That picture of the horse drawn carriage just took my breath away.  Poor little angel.

Wow, on HLN they just spoke with a reporter in Tracy that said information on kiddy porn and an instance of a child under 10 being drugged by Melissa Huckaby has been turned over to the district attorney and is being investigated. The reporter said they have been trying to get this confirmation from LE for over a week and finally have heard there were reports made. He also said LE is being really tight lipped about this.

I just feel like if a man had committed this crime we wouldn't be looking for porn rings, drug/medication issues, accomplices, past sexual abuse problems, etc etc we would have him hung already.

Yet I know how very rare this is and how hard it is to come to terms with in my mind so it makes it that much harder to deal with my anger and I can't help but call it how I see it.

You're right, even my husband said to me, look you are looking for somekind of excuse for her, I kept saying no I'm not, maybe I am. I'm just trying to understand, I'm not excusing horrific behavior. But there is a double standard I guess going on  ::MonkeyConfused:: And in one of the articles posted a page or two back, it did say the deliberate murder.

Thank you for the pics, klaas.

Bless that little angel.

Thank goodness for kleenex. I am bawling like a baby.

http://www.khou.com/topstories/stories/khou090219_mh_child_porn_woman.30e3447d.html

Tell me does this woman look like one who looks at child porn?  Shocked me!  You just never know.  It's there and its getting worse.

I respectfully disagree Fatcat.

If a man had done this I believe we would absolutely still be looking for porn rings, especially after the Tracy60 hit the news in Jan. I also still believe we would be trying to make as much sense of it as we are with Melissa. If the man were the father of a 5 year old girl, the statements would be how could a father do this instead of how could a mother do this.
No matter who committed the crime, male of female, this one is especially twisted and I believe we would all still be trying to wrap our minds around it.
I dont get the feeling that anyone is trying to let MH off easy or gain her sympathy at all. I feel everyone here is simply struggling to make sense of this incredibly senseless tragedy.

I think the sexual aspect is the hardest part to wrap ones mind around with the perp being a female.

I would also like to add that in my mind, MH has been found guilty already. This may not be fair however I am not an officer of the court there for I feel no remorse in drawing my own conclusions with someone who has confessed prior to trial.

I disagree.  We would still be looking for porn rings given that the information has come out about an unknown bunch within the area.

That's what I think .. This is SO Much Bigger than the Arrest of Melissa Huckaby - Thank You for posting that.

That's what I think .. This is SO Much Bigger than the Arrest of Melissa Huckaby - Thank You for posting that.

That story turned my stomach. I just can not fathom that there are people in the world like this. My brain cannot do it.

Wow, on HLN they just spoke with a reporter in Tracy that said information on kiddy porn and an instance of a child under 10 being drugged by Melissa Huckaby has been turned over to the district attorney and is being investigated. The reporter said they have been trying to get this confirmation from LE for over a week and finally have heard there were reports made. He also said LE is being really tight lipped about this.

I'm afraid to see what else comes out from this!  This is just so sickening and sad for the family of Sandra as if enough hasn't come out already.  And to think there may be more children out there that MH and/or her cohorts abused!

So Melissa still uses her ex's last name?  Didn't Blink say she talked to her?  I'll have to reread her article.

Sorry if I pO anyone, I'm just disgusted as are we all.

http://fav.or.it/post/1332556

Local news station CBS 13 is reporting that they have confirmed with officials that Sandra Cantu's murderer is being investigated for drugging and molesting another child. The Tracy police would give no other information. There are also reports that today another parent came forward and accused Melissa Huckaby of being involved in child porn.

http://fav.or.it/post/1332556

Local news station CBS 13 is reporting that they have confirmed with officials that Sandra Cantu's murderer is being investigated for drugging and molesting another child. The Tracy police would give no other information. There are also reports that today another parent came forward and accused Melissa Huckaby of being involved in child porn.

While I am so very saddened for the loss of Sandra and her family, I am hopefull that she did not perish in vain, but rather has sparked a huge investigation into something that seems to have been kept under wraps and hush for a long time.  In her death she just may have saved thousands of other children from going through this same nightmare.  My prayers remain with her family.

http://fav.or.it/post/1332556

Local news station CBS 13 is reporting that they have confirmed with officials that Sandra Cantu's murderer is being investigated for drugging and molesting another child. The Tracy police would give no other information. There are also reports that today another parent came forward and accused Melissa Huckaby of being involved in child porn.

I'm just saying times are changing.  And I hear you Deenie but more and more we see women committing these same crimes that are typically done by men.
Teenage girls ganging up and beating lone victims is not funny to me, mothers more and more harming and killing their children. 
As we as women evolve in our lives so do our crimes.  JMO

As anyone been able to find any proof on MH accusations about her ex on the DV, Child Kidnapping?  I'm beginning to think with all of this new info coming out that if anything Melissa was the abuser and possibly she herself kidnapped a child back then and drugged and molested him/her.  .......just a thought

As anyone been able to find any proof on MH accusations about her ex on the DV, Child Kidnapping?  I'm beginning to think with all of this new info coming out that if anything Melissa was the abuser and possibly she herself kidnapped a child back then and drugged and molested him/her.  .......just a thought

FYI - I've created a thread for the LIVE LINK for tomorrows service.  That way those trying to find the link quickly or from work can get to it easily.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4869.0

I hear you too. You know Why all of this Anger is coming out of these Young Girls - they are a product of their environment. What is that? They come from homes that are Broken, they come from homes that have no " unification". A broken home means no one is in charge. I am a Single Mom. This is not about Single Moms. These Homes - There is no Mentor. There is no Rules in place.  The Child has no Respect nor Fear of their Parent/Parents ... nor for anyone for that matter. All the BS ..of Be your child's friend.
Is just what it is .. BS.  If you do not set into place " Boundaries" and "rules" from the get go into your child's life .. there will consequences ... And we are seeing it now in the media, and on the news and .. its not changing much. All these Parents who believe every child is a winner that as long as your body is the room.  We don't care if you did not participate - you were breathing, you were there that was enough.  All this babble about Everyone's a Winner, No scores- in grades and nor sports. Group Effort - All are Equal.

Sandra's Mom was one that taught her daughter to be Helpful, to be loving, to be giving of herself. Sandra has been spoken about that she loved to bake, to be helpful to want to be with others ... She would have I am sure of it ..become a Teen that was a reflection of what she was taught. You would never fathom Sandra to become one of these girls who are now in the video's beating the crap out of another ..with the Mom's Jeering it on while it happened or after the fact.  ::MonkeyNoNo::
jmo

A friend of mine's daughter was sexually molested when she was a child. Through the years she has tried to commit suicide by hanging herself is a cutter etc. She also was diagnosed as being Bipolar and was on meds but refuses to take them.  The daughter is now 19, lives with her boyfriend and has a 3yrd old.  The daughter is very abusive to the boyfriend and from what I hear not a very good mother.  She also has had her DL suspended for several speeding tickets and has wrecked a car. The girl is on a destructive path and I fear for what her future may be like.  So while I was thinking of this girl that is when I began to wonder if in Melissa's case she also was abusive to her husband and possibly her own daughter.

JVM reports -KOVR in Sacramento

May have been involved in the production of porn.  Implication that MH was involved in a prior case of a 10yr old being drugged.

On my list of top 2:

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Justice in the name of Sandra!  Her name will strike fear into these assh*le child abusers and molesters.

On my list of top 2:

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(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub6_022109/ChurchFred4-1.jpg)

fyi
I like acurate info.. It keeps our research thread clean..  ::MonkeyWink::
I cannot read where channel 13 makes that claim. Nothing in there news article says anything like this.
Be careful reading the wanna be news reporters in the world that start there own news casts on the Internet, just go direct to the source and read the article yourself.
jmho

I know I followed the link and nothing of the kind there.  oops can't take it back

Oh God Klass I am so on board. I feel it in my gut these two are involved some how even if indirectly.

I'm betting on Sinclair on the porn thing.....Fred helping to dispose of the suitcase

I hear you too. You know Why all of this Anger is coming out of these Young Girls - they are a product of their environment. What is that? They come from homes that are Broken, they come from homes that have no " unification". A broken home means no one is in charge. I am a Single Mom. This is not about Single Moms. These Homes - There is no Mentor. There is no Rules in place.  The Child has no Respect nor Fear of their Parent/Parents ... nor for anyone for that matter. All the BS ..of Be your child's friend.
Is just what it is .. BS.  If you do not set into place " Boundaries" and "rules" from the get go into your child's life .. there will consequences ... And we are seeing it now in the media, and on the news and .. its not changing much. All these Parents who believe every child is a winner that as long as your body is the room.  We don't care if you did not participate - you were breathing, you were there that was enough.  All this babble about Everyone's a Winner, No scores- in grades and nor sports. Group Effort - All are Equal.

Sandra's Mom was one that taught her daughter to be Helpful, to be loving, to be giving of herself. Sandra has been spoken about that she loved to bake, to be helpful to want to be with others ... She would have I am sure of it ..become a Teen that was a reflection of what she was taught. You would never fathom Sandra to become one of these girls who are now in the video's beating the crap out of another ..with the Mom's Jeering it on while it happened or after the fact.  ::MonkeyNoNo::
jmo

Fred is the one with virtually no income though and a very expensive house. I have always wondered where the money for the house came from.

Just an odd thought...suppose the autopsy comes back with some evidence that shows someone else had to be involved? Where would the case center then? Opinions?

Just an odd thought...suppose the autopsy comes back with some evidence that shows someone else had to be involved? Where would the case center then? Opinions?

If they know someone else is involved then they likely have DNA from that someone and I suspect it wouldn't be long before they are arrested.  It doesn't mean that Melissa is not guilty, only that she's not alone in the guilt.

Wow..Im thinking Nancy Grace has a girl crush on Caysee Anthony. I know it's a important story but omg..

Anyways she just said that huckaby confessed to cops saying it was an accident???

ITA!!  I'd quit watching her show, but I want to hear about Haleigh.  I get so sick hearing about Casey.  I just want to see the key thrown away.

Oh I agree!!  Am ready to SCREAM and pull my hair out with all the repeat breaking news night after night of the same exact thing about Casey.  Am sick unto death of hearing the same thing.  And NGs crew lately seem to be having a field day playing with graphics during her report.  (http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq117/Wyks_/Smilies/smiley-gahh.gif)   I'd email NG againnnnnnnn, but am quite sure she is ignoring those from everyone. 

The only reason I watch with a one-eyed squint is because she just might squeeze in a moment or two on Sandra, Haleigh, anyone else but Casey.  And even that, am to the point where it's not really worth tuning in.   ::MonkeyNoNo::
 ::MonkeyLaugh::LMAO!! I've emailed her 4 times. I QUIT!!

Blink, are you still around?  I wanted to ask you a question but searched all over your site for an email to send it to and couldn't find one.  I asked Klaas to send you my email the other day, but never got to let you know that I was just wanting to ask you something privately. 

If not, no problem. 

Oh God Klass I am so on board. I feel it in my gut these two are involved some how even if indirectly.

Without a doubt..
If anyone is also involved it is one of these 2 or both.

What ever happened to the kissing Martial arts instructor.. ?

Without a doubt..
If anyone is also involved it is one of these 2 or both.

What ever happened to the kissing Martial arts instructor.. ?

JVM just said that Melissa had been in a relationship with Christian Sinclair

http://www.cbs13.com/video/?id=52075@kovr.dayport.com
Melissa told detectives four different stories the night she was questioned arrested.

I am glad to hear that they are following up and or looking at some others.
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I am sick of the Anthony case. Nancy has milked it to death. Her prodction costs must be zero, just an endless loop of the tapes. Boring. And a lazy way to do things.
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Even THEY didn't think she acted alone, but do they believe what SHE is telling them?  She told them 4 different things THAT night.  I think they need to just keep digging and find the accomplice(s).

Ok... Going off topic from the NG hating, which by the way I could do plenty of... BUT... I was just wondering how far along in the decomposition stages Sandra's body was found in... I'm asking because I was just thinking if her poor mother had to go to the morgue and identify her and how scary a sight that must have been... She was in the suitcase a month right? So would there be much decomp since it was emerged in water that I imagine wasn't very hot??? Ok... Thanks... Sorry for the horrible image... I do not mean to offend...

She was in the suitcase about 2 weeks before her body was found.  I'm not sure she would be identified by a family member, more likely dental records. 

Edited to add:  she went missing March 27 and her body was found April 6th I believe

Ok... So Sandra's mother never saw her body? If it was only 2 weeks, then the body would have been fairly "normal", right???

Ok... So Sandra's mother never saw her body? If it was only 2 weeks, then the body would have been fairly "normal", right???

The right parent is going to find this out and go postal on a lot of people.  I'm telling you.  I think it is going to get UGLY!

Assuming the body went into the suitcase and into the water at the earliest time after her disappearance...it was how many days until she was found? What if she was alive and transported in the suitcase to another place? Then killed and dumped later? Would there be a rate of decomposition that can be measured so that the medical examiner can determine within say 24 hours the time of her death?

Oh I agree!!  Am ready to SCREAM and pull my hair out with all the repeat breaking news night after night of the same exact thing about Casey.  Am sick unto death of hearing the same thing.  And NGs crew lately seem to be having a field day playing with graphics during her report.  (http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq117/Wyks_/Smilies/smiley-gahh.gif)   I'd email NG againnnnnnnn, but am quite sure she is ignoring those from everyone. 

The only reason I watch with a one-eyed squint is because she just might squeeze in a moment or two on Sandra, Haleigh, anyone else but Casey.  And even that, am to the point where it's not really worth tuning in.   ::MonkeyNoNo::

I'm sure they will know within 24 hours, in fact, they have already suggested she was killied within 4 hours from the video where we see her skipping.

I'm sure they will know within 24 hours, in fact, they have already suggested she was killied within 4 hours from the video where we see her skipping.

Thanks.

So she was then taken Friday night around 9:00 or 10:00 and dumped?

What time did the police and searchers start to really show up in force to begin asking probing questions around the neighborhood? I'm just curious how MH would have transported a body if the police were making an investigation into Sandra's disappearance.

One of the questions that I feel really should be answered by the Tracy PD, is months ago when Melissa was questioned about drugging of a child, where did this investigation go? Did they just question her, and drop it? Did the parents pursue this further?

O/T.. sorry mods

If any monkey in here lives in Alabama, and uses Influend Cough and Cold Products, please see my recent post in Musings about an FDA recall for that. 

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4866.msg770031#msg770031 (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4866.msg770031#msg770031)

Good questions! I would like to know the answers also. Did they dismiss it? Did they follow up? What happened with that? Is the child OK? Who are the parents? If they did not pursue, why not?  Very good questions NRCG!!!

Spring, I am not seeing a link where LE is saying anything other than she acted alone, did I miss anything this eve?
TIA

I'm just wondering if more would have been done, maybe Sandra would be alive,  but maybe that is just naive of me.

I'm just wondering if more would have been done, maybe Sandra would be alive, but maybe that is just naive of me.

So Melissa still uses her ex's last name?  Didn't Blink say she talked to her?  I'll have to reread her article.

Sorry if I pO anyone, I'm just disgusted as are we all.

Evening Wyks!
I live in Alabama!  Thanks for the heads up ::MonkeyWink::

ITA!!  I'd quit watching her show, but I want to hear about Haleigh.  I get so sick hearing about Casey.  I just want to see the key thrown away.

a little girl do not die by accident under the supervision of an adult. an accident is not to rape a baby....an adult is more stronger than an inocent kid......it never will be an accident.....

Momma Maven
Rules you can teach your Daughter.
1. Adults do not ASK Children for Help.
2. Adults that are known yet still strangers - who Want your Daughters Attention - Instruct her that she has the right to say NO. She has the right to say I am leaving. She had the right to say - NO thank you. My Mom needs me. I am leaving and she does not need to look back. No Guilt on her part.
3. Give your Daughter a Code Word.

That if she says this Word - YOU know something is not right.
Lets say she goes to a sleep over and feels uncomfortable she wants YOU to come get her, but everyone is in the room and she is scared to tell you. Maybe she is being bullied or maybe she just feels the need ..she wants to go home..whatever ..
You and her pick a Code Word - and this Word is one that Only You and She knows.
Only to be said in case of Urgency or 911. This word will stick with her for many years.
My Dad and I made a Pact one day and we chose a phrase used in a Charlie Brown cartoon. And you know what - I had to use it One time.
Pick a word that she can put into a conversation with you on the phone - that wont' come off to others as strange or unusual. Maybe she has a favorite stuffed animal with a name .. That she could say on the phone to you .. Mom, " Teddy" was here.
That's it - its Done. MOM is told. NO one knows but MOM and child. Mom just gets in the car - drives to the house - and rings the door bell .. says Unfortunately we have a family emergency and My daughter has to come home. No one knows any different -
Your child is with you, no one can hurt her and you take her home.

If you do not offer resources for your child - they will not know how to react in situations. Give them the gift of Confidence to keep in their back pocket - teach them, tell them, and let them know that You are always available 24/7 - if they need you.
NO Matter what.
Pre-Teens/Teens
If they screwed up .. and they call you ..come get me. Deal with the screw up later. The most important thing is that they are ok and you have them at Home.

I think that MH got away with it the last time. The little girl that was in her possession " Taking her to the Park"  that she returned to her MOM. Mom was extremely upset that she had no phone number for MH and did not know exactly where her daughter was. 
..that was later to be found the little girl had drugs in her system after being with MH.

I think that MH was paid for providing that little girl. MH says in her own words I took her to the Park 3 times that week ..and talks about the Mom not having her cell number ..She I think thought OK ..I got away with this. The child is fine. Remembers nothing. No Medical Doc came forward and stated the child was abused.
Well I guess if you were knocked out -- you would not remember anything - have nothing to tell. No Red flag there. Not yet anyway. http://www.youtube.com/v/NgPXjRAglRk&hl=en&fs=1
 
so she got Paid for that and then was told by who ever is in charge of this - Get us another child. And she thought .. Ok, last child was only drugged and ( my mind goes south - photo's were taken and or more) and that in MH's Mind - No one was hurt, nothing serious came of it ..and I was paid.
So here is Sandra Cantu standing on her Porch .. and MH thought Easy Prey.
Can I come in .. Can I play with Madison ? Its mid afternoon and a Friday .. and Sandra probably said to MH .. I am going to the Movies .. or something to the effect that Sandra would not be looked for ..for a few hours. Even though Sandra didnt have the money to go to the Movies. MH thought this will work. I will take Sandra for a few hours and return her home.

NO harm no Foul - like last time.
Yet I think the last little girl was much younger than Sandra .. And Sandra either fought her MH at the scene and or others and or was awake during heinous acts / or..a witness to others and or her own self being harmed. And they MH and ? felt that Sandra would talk, and or show sign's of abuse if returned home... so they killed her.

She was meant to be like the other girl... drugged and taken " abused without any bodily harm" " photographed" and returned home.
It didn't work out though..not like the last time.
Listen to MH talk about the little Girl who she took to the " Park".. on the Video.
* she is speaking on her phone to a reporter prior to her arrest ..

I don't know why but I just can't shake this feeling that there is MORE to this case. I know LE says there is no one else involved, but I just feel that there are others.  It is really bothering me. I don't think MH acted alone, I do think MH should pay for her actions, but I think there is someone out there that is also responsible for what happen to little Sandra. My first thoughts go to Fred Williams, but I think it's even bigger than that.

I was going to bed, but I just can't wrap my mind around what is said to have happened to this little angel at the hands of MH. I don't think it was MH's first time doing something like this and I don't think she did it on her own. I hope I am wrong, and that she is the only one responsible and is already behind bars, so the children and parents of Tracy can go about their lives feeling somewhat safer. That may be difficult with the 60 pedophiles out there right now, this is all just so sad and horrible.

Sandra may you rest in peace, and my prayers are with you and your family.

I was wondering if she was put alive in that suitcase, and then thrown in the water to die.

She was in the suitcase about 2 weeks before her body was found.  I'm not sure she would be identified by a family member, more likely dental records. 

Edited to add:  she went missing March 27 and her body was found April 6th I believe

I have been reading Blink's articles and they are very informative. 

I am apalled at the "church clan".  Stating after the fact that they are concerned and praying for Sandra's family.  Where were they for 10 days before Sandra was found?  Where was their concern when Madison's "best friend" was missing?  Were they ministering and consoling that family in need?  Pleeeaasssseee give me a break!

Sorry but I just had to get that out!!!!!

Klaas-
thanks for posting.

Re Sgt. Sheneman ( I am smitten) comments "Anything is possible". That to me, is about as "about face" as you can get. We're progressing, I can feel it. Just a thought, if they are accessing her computer interaction with regards to images, those warrants take approximately 30 days to get/serve (exceptions yes, but for the most part to go through IP and Search Engines, etc..). This could be the case. I have paid very close attention to his wording, posture and reactions. I say this is moving to a direction of at least one other arrest.

Klaas-
thanks for posting.

Re Sgt. Sheneman ( I am smitten) comments "Anything is possible". That to me, is about as "about face" as you can get. We're progressing, I can feel it. Just a thought, if they are accessing her computer interaction with regards to images, those warrants take approximately 30 days to get/serve (exceptions yes, but for the most part to go through IP and Search Engines, etc..). This could be the case. I have paid very close attention to his wording, posture and reactions. I say this is moving to a direction of at least one other arrest.

Klaas-
thanks for posting.

Re Sgt. Sheneman ( I am smitten) comments "Anything is possible". That to me, is about as "about face" as you can get. We're progressing, I can feel it. Just a thought, if they are accessing her computer interaction with regards to images, those warrants take approximately 30 days to get/serve (exceptions yes, but for the most part to go through IP and Search Engines, etc..). This could be the case. I have paid very close attention to his wording, posture and reactions. I say this is moving to a direction of at least one other arrest.

Klaas-
thanks for posting.

Re Sgt. Sheneman ( I am smitten) comments "Anything is possible". That to me, is about as "about face" as you can get. We're progressing, I can feel it. Just a thought, if they are accessing her computer interaction with regards to images, those warrants take approximately 30 days to get/serve (exceptions yes, but for the most part to go through IP and Search Engines, etc..). This could be the case. I have paid very close attention to his wording, posture and reactions. I say this is moving to a direction of at least one other arrest.

O/T

AZSunny

I miss your input as well as your sweet tea on the Natalee Holloway forum.

Janet

And who is this church clan, Fred Williams is a member, but who are the other members of the church, maybe only family members to make up the handful of church goers?

Hi Janet, 

I have been reading there, but got drawn in here with this unthinkable case.    Working, lurking, reading, trying to comprehend. 

I will make some sweet tea for you and Magnolia and be over to NH later today. 

Hugs...

Good morning everyone. What a long day yesterday was. I have to admit that I had no idea child porn was so violent. When I read in that article the woman was arrested for having porn that contained infants being raped, screaming for their moms, well that took me completely by surprise and knocked me to the floor. I cannot handle that thought, not even a little. Is this what these movies are about? Ok stupid naive me believed they put the kids night-night and took posed pictures, not that, that is better but not as cruel I suppose. I absolutely, not even for a moment, believed the children are awake. Oh god that is so beyond anything that is even close to normal. To think I have 60 people in my town who are into this sort of thing, wth? Who are these people? I want to know so I can protect my children!

Yes the dear Sgt seems like a very nice man, but let me add this. This police force has known about this crime and they know  who these people are yet allow them to live among innocent children. The softball coach was arrested because a detective said he was around kids, well they all are for goodness sakes. In this town we have 10's of thousands of children living here. This police force will earn my respect and my appreciation when all 60 people are arrested and named. One child has been killed, enough already, enough!

commonly prescribed psychotropics

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Typical Antipsychotics      
Haldol (haloperidol)   
Loxitane (loxapine)   
Mellaril (thioridazine)   
Moban (molindone)
Navane (thiothixene)   
Prolixin (fluphenazine)   
Serentil (mesoridazine
Stelazine (trifluoperazine)
Thorazine (chlorpromazine)
Trilafon (perphenazine)

I understand this type of drugs in particular might cause bad reactions ... I am on an anti-depressant myself and tried one that made me feel very angry.

But as a possible defense .. I'm not going there. But it has been done before. Zoloft. Accutance -- to name a couple.

I feel your anger, I agree with you all 60 people need to be arrested and named, I'm not grasping why they have not. I'm sorry that you read that article yesterday, I did too, I am aware of what is done to children actually following another case awhile ago. But I get very upset with what is being done to children as well as animals in these films, sometimes I just have to walk away from all of this, and get my attention away from all of this cruelty.

Morning
I wanted to share I just found this -
http://www.kcra.com/news/19195800/detail.html

snipped =
TRACY, Calif. -- Thousands of people were expected Thursday to pack into a high school gym in Tracy for a public memorial for slain 8-year-old girl Sandra Renee Cantu.
The service, which a printed program is calling "A Celebration of Life," is intended to help local residents heal after weeks of heart-wrenching nationwide news coverage of the child's disappearance and slaying.

The memorial will be carried live at 1 p.m. on KCRA.com and KCRA 3.

That Is Pacific Time - 1 pm
Eastern Time - 4 pm

I believe this means it will be live streaming

no rose colored glasses.

The church?  I believe it is a front for dispicable activities.

Question:  What church does not update their website for eight years.

Answer:  A non-fuctioning church.

IMO

Janet

+++++++

ABOUT PASTOR LANE LAWLESS
http://www.clover-road-baptist-church.com/Pastor1.html

SUNDAY SCHOOL LESSONS
http://www.clover-road-baptist-church.com/SUNDAY_SCHOOL.htm


 

Yes it will be live streaming and I created a thread with a link to it for quick access  ::MonkeyWink::

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4869.0

I feel your anger, I agree with you all 60 people need to be arrested and named, I'm not grasping why they have not. I'm sorry that you read that article yesterday, I did too, I am aware of what is done to children actually following another case awhile ago. But I get very upset with what is being done to children as well as animals in these films, sometimes I just have to walk away from all of this, and get my attention away from all of this cruelty.

Klaas, Traceygirl or Blink-I need to send you an email on a few things I found during a recent search of public documents and records.  I think you'll find the information interesting and very helpful.  I tried to send it to Klaas to the hotmail address he listed a few posts back, but it was bounced (is your mailbox full?). Anyway, Klaas, feel free to pass my email addy to Traceygirl and Blink. It's the email addy on my profile.

Thanks.

I read it too, then I took my 15 month old daughter in my arms and vowed to never let her leave the house again.
I knew there were sick people in the world but what I read yesterday went beyond...well just beyond anything I could ever have imagined.
As I lay awake in bed last night not able to get the thought out of my head. I gathered my daughter up out of her crib and held her while I cried into her baby soft hair. I cried for the children I could not keep safe, for the babies who want their mommies. Never in my life have I felt such pain as I have in these past couple of weeks.

What can we do? There are so many of us on here cant we band together and effect some kind of change? I know we are from all over the country but it is still one country right?  So many voices here, so many strong minds. There has to be something we can do. I am going to think on this and hug my kids some more.

I honestly believe if the parents in this area knew of how violent child porn can be, such as the details of that one, they would see this is too dangerous. the Tracy press likes to do stories that can be a little controversial,maybe they will agree to write about this? Maybe as a group we can write a letter to the editor? I really think awareness is needed for what this is all about.

Amber Alert announces Cantu memorial fund
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Bee Staff
Published: Wednesday, Apr. 15, 2009 - 3:24 pm

A memorial fund for Sandra Cantu, the Tracy girl who was kidnapped and killed, has been established by the Amber Alert Foundation in conjunction with Amber Alert GPS and Smart/i/tag. Donations can be dropped off at Umpqua Bank branches or mailed. Contributions should be made payable to: Sandra Cantu Memorial Fund, Account No. 991648908, Umpqua Bank, P.O.Box 1820, Roseburg, Ore., 94740.

http://www.sacbee.com/latest/story/1783412.html

It is not only the 60 that are known in Tracy  that we must share a concern about, but how many others that are unknown, and probably throughout the US.  Once they start investigating and arresting the original 60, and the FBI may already be in this process now, I think a much bigger kettle of fish will emerge.  The impact of this is huge.  I also read that article yesterday, and I was sick to my stomach.  I can't believe anyone would be so cruel as to do something like that to a baby, or child, and then profit from that sick experience through video taping it.  It makes me aware of a part of our society that is so sick and perverted that the thought of those people around us in our neighborhoods unknown, just seems to heighten my awareness of everything and everyone around me.  God be with us and help us fight this monster.

I agree TracyGirl 100%

I have a Question for all Monkeys ... I tried to look it up but did not find much.

Forgive me - I do not attend a church so I am a bit ignorant about all of this.

The Church that Pastor Lawless Runs/Operates

Who Pays his Salary ?
Since its a private church ( I do not know for fact) wouldn't he rely on his parishioners to pay Tiding or " pass the plate" ... during services? so he would have in coming funds to support the church and his livelihood.

I know that churches 9 times out of 10 are Tax exempt.

I just don't understand if there is no real amount of people that attend this church ..where does he receive his money to survive?
If your tax exempt that would mean you would not pay into Social Security right??

Any body??

When I was an investigator for An OnLine dialup server. ;) I saw alot of this porn and of course my job was to manage and report the incidents that either I found or were reported to our TOS department.
I can tell you that as late as 95 the Dallas FBI did not have the capabilities to do a simple traceroute. I've been able to do that since the 80's. At the isp I worked for, we had to do the research, often we were the ones even notifying law enforcement. The FBI is woefully behind in technology no matter what they say. There are no secret tracers of porno not on a digital service. Period. No one can track a picture of whatever I may or may not have stuffed under my mattress.

Thankfully for my self awareness I never saw violence in the pics we caught, but I can tell you I saw many sad and lonely faces. Things that stick with you are not the "positions" or what have you, but are the eyes and faces.

It is sooooooo incredibly easy to find child porn on the net. Simply go to any large irc network and you'll find tens of chat rooms with torrents and most likely these idiots call their rooms things like "daddylovesbaby" and stupid shit. They are not hiding, they are just not being caught.
What we need is more vigilante online people tracking this. Any given time on any given day I can located child porn being traded. Look at the people trading in it..they are not smart.

Janet
Have you noticed that on the guest book of the Clover Road church
there is many guests that are from Canada that seem to be in Clergy.
I wanted to copy and paste for you ... looks like they shut down the site..linked to the church.
Maybe its my computer ..I don't know.

Janet
Have you noticed that on the guest book of the Clover Road church
there is many guests that are from Canada that seem to be in Clergy.
I wanted to copy and paste for you ... looks like they shut down the site..linked to the church.
Maybe its my computer ..I don't know.

I can't access the website either.

Considering the roots of Sandra's father originate in Mexico ... maybe her mother has a Canadian background.  Canada ... God's country.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Interesting observation Deenie.

Janet

Amber Alert announces Cantu memorial fund
ShareThis
Bee Staff
Published: Wednesday, Apr. 15, 2009 - 3:24 pm

A memorial fund for Sandra Cantu, the Tracy girl who was kidnapped and killed, has been established by the Amber Alert Foundation in conjunction with Amber Alert GPS and Smart/i/tag. Donations can be dropped off at Umpqua Bank branches or mailed. Contributions should be made payable to: Sandra Cantu Memorial Fund, Account No. 991648908, Umpqua Bank, P.O.Box 1820, Roseburg, Ore., 94740.

http://www.sacbee.com/latest/story/1783412.html

Not your computer, the Clover Road Baptist Church website is basically shut down.  Looks like whoever admins the website as removed everything but one bible verse.

http://www.clover-road-baptist-church.com/

Good morning everyone. What a long day yesterday was. I have to admit that I had no idea child porn was so violent. When I read in that article the woman was arrested for having porn that contained infants being raped, screaming for their moms, well that took me completely by surprise and knocked me to the floor. I cannot handle that thought, not even a little. Is this what these movies are about? Ok stupid naive me believed they put the kids night-night and took posed pictures, not that, that is better but not as cruel I suppose. I absolutely, not even for a moment, believed the children are awake. Oh god that is so beyond anything that is even close to normal. To think I have 60 people in my town who are into this sort of thing, wth? Who are these people? I want to know so I can protect my children!

Yes the dear Sgt seems like a very nice man, but let me add this. This police force has known about this crime and they know  who these people are yet allow them to live among innocent children. The softball coach was arrested because a detective said he was around kids, well they all are for goodness sakes. In this town we have 10's of thousands of children living here. This police force will earn my respect and my appreciation when all 60 people are arrested and named. One child has been killed, enough already, enough!

MANTECA, Calif. —  Melissa Huckaby, the Tracy woman accused of kidnapping, raping and murdering a neighbor girl, has been described as a 28-year-old Sunday school teacher and single mother of a 5-year-old.

A woman with the same name who lives 14 miles away is also a 28-year-old Sunday school teacher and single mother of a 5-year-old.

The improbable similarities have created inevitable confusion.

Click here for photos

News crews keep calling or approaching Melissa Huckaby of Manteca looking for the woman accused of killing 8-year-old Sandra Cantu. And so many people posted threatening messages on her MySpace page that the misidentified Huckaby says she canceled her account.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,516628,00.html

MANTECA, Calif. —  Melissa Huckaby, the Tracy woman accused of kidnapping, raping and murdering a neighbor girl, has been described as a 28-year-old Sunday school teacher and single mother of a 5-year-old.

A woman with the same name who lives 14 miles away is also a 28-year-old Sunday school teacher and single mother of a 5-year-old.

The improbable similarities have created inevitable confusion.

Click here for photos

News crews keep calling or approaching Melissa Huckaby of Manteca looking for the woman accused of killing 8-year-old Sandra Cantu. And so many people posted threatening messages on her MySpace page that the misidentified Huckaby says she canceled her account.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,516628,00.html