Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007

[bleachedblack]

Yes, I thought that recovered laptop article would be good for a few laughs.

Meanwhile, the Comments keep coming in Palm Beach County, Florida. Here is a sample:

MIP
Oranjestad, Aruba  Reply »
|Flag |#48 1 hr ago
Kudos to Palm Beach County Florida in making Mr. Jorge Pesquera the top choice to lead the tourism board for your county.
PBC’s gain will most certainly be Aruba’s lose, as Mr. Pesquera has been a leader by example in his efforts to improve the tourism product for Aruba.

Pay no attention to the 40 some comments from those who claim Mr. Pesquera to be something that he is NOT. Those folks come from a small internet site whose only goal in life is to hate anything and everyone even remotely associated with Aruba. Most of them have never been beyond the city limits of their own hometowns and as the tag line on the site states are “like minded”. Like minded in this case has a couple of meanings, first it means they all share a single brain cell among the active membership of about 50 and secondly it means for the most part they are all xenophobic haters who have nothing more in their miserably lives to do than spend hours daily coming up with ways to “destroy” Aruba. Lastly these like-minded **** are nothing more than keyboard chips, hence the name of the site “Scared **** They spend their days and nights pounding at the keyboards thinking what they do gives some meaning to their empty lives.

Again congratulates in the chose of Mr. Jorge Pesquera to lead the Palm Beach County tourism efforts, I see great things ahead for Palm Beach with Mr. Jorge Pesquera at the helm.

 

Here is a link to the most current Comments page:

http://www.topix.net/forum/source/south-florida-sun-sentinel/TQHLISI1HSQRHTQMV/p3

Looks like that comment came from MIP6  as it is signed MIP. Well there you have it, what more would one expect?

[bleachedblack]

Interesting quote from the past from Mr Pesquera hehe...

" The new President & CEO of the Aruba Hotel & Tourism Association introduced himself yesterday to the press and the tourism community at a conference held at the Radisson Aruba Resort & Casino. "I would like to become the island's adoptive son," he said, "not your hired gun."

http://tinyurl.com/2txl33

[Kimmy53]

Yes, I thought that recovered laptop article would be good for a few laughs.

Meanwhile, the Comments keep coming in Palm Beach County, Florida. Here is a sample:

MIP
Oranjestad, Aruba  Reply »
|Flag |#48 1 hr ago
Kudos to Palm Beach County Florida in making Mr. Jorge Pesquera the top choice to lead the tourism board for your county.
PBC’s gain will most certainly be Aruba’s lose, as Mr. Pesquera has been a leader by example in his efforts to improve the tourism product for Aruba.

Pay no attention to the 40 some comments from those who claim Mr. Pesquera to be something that he is NOT. Those folks come from a small internet site whose only goal in life is to hate anything and everyone even remotely associated with Aruba. Most of them have never been beyond the city limits of their own hometowns and as the tag line on the site states are “like minded”. Like minded in this case has a couple of meanings, first it means they all share a single brain cell among the active membership of about 50 and secondly it means for the most part they are all xenophobic haters who have nothing more in their miserably lives to do than spend hours daily coming up with ways to “destroy” Aruba. Lastly these like-minded **** are nothing more than keyboard chips, hence the name of the site “Scared **** They spend their days and nights pounding at the keyboards thinking what they do gives some meaning to their empty lives.

Again congratulates in the chose of Mr. Jorge Pesquera to lead the Palm Beach County tourism efforts, I see great things ahead for Palm Beach with Mr. Jorge Pesquera at the helm.

 

Here is a link to the most current Comments page:

http://www.topix.net/forum/source/south-florida-sun-sentinel/TQHLISI1HSQRHTQMV/p3

Looks like that comment came from MIP6  as it is signed MIP. Well there you have it, what more would one expect?

I am sure the comments were really taken seriously - considering all the blathering...

[Kimmy53]

Ooooops...

Good Morning Monkeys!  Mostly Working and Lurking...

[robots]

misssion is ON TARGET


tourism is in the TANK


now, to Break the TANK into PIECES
 

[greeneyedlady]

From FOB-this link:http://www.misdaadjournalist.nl
I am only going to post the translation I got from freetranslation.com because it's kind of long:


Wednesday 11 July:  Suzanne Wisman and Natalee Holloway

Update 11:30 hour:  

The Public Ministry in Axes goes in occupation.  It finds the judgment was demanded - 20 year plus tbs - too low, there 30 year against Henk of D. for the murder of Suzanne Wisman.  I was there already fearfully for, but it is present standard, that higher occupations record.  Has no single sense, there is no appearance of chance that it indeed 30 year becomes, that knowledge really everybody that also but rather knowledge how this kind of trials works.  Costs all only time, money and unnecessary sorrow at the surviving relatives.  Can the whole horror circus yet a time dunnetjes be done again.  

Nearly everything of the trial stands here, De Murder of Suzanne Wisman, and the parts II and III.  

*

Ex-marinated René Holshuijsen (47) that past weekend in Hengelo has been shot by a policeman, was not known by the ABP/BRD in the frame of the nazorg.  How did he come at the pistol?  There its more questions.  Will will veterans that fatally have been run through all the same medicines have uses.  I sort out yet.  

Holshuijsen is marinated been and made marinated part from of the Particular Assistance of Unity (BBE), neat as for instance most known of the Netherlands, Eric O.  During its missions in the foreign country Holshuijsen heavy getraumatiseerd would be hit.  

Yesterday I had the over that other run through veteran, Pascal F., murderer of Nadia of the Mere.  The broadcast of Location Requested in which Nadia's mother and sister at the word come was not last night, but is next week Tuesday.  

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It is even lay what lines, but then you have also what.  The mystery of the secret airplane of the Holloways appears solved.  Correspondent Macamba wanted to be ears on Aruba to listen, talked with what men that know can the and was tells what it really on the hand.  Should perhaps Network have had to do its/her homework a little bit better, can get must be able to come this information of distance than I then the own correspondent on Aruba that really also behind?  Me appear.  

The facts.  

Natalee has been knocked loose on Aruba totally in a celebration animal.  Her mother has been brought two days for the intended departure of Natalee on the height by the excesses of her daughter and the use of drugs.  That is the reason that the mother by Avoided-Shady Chartering a medi-vac flight has posted and paid.  Mother expected a child complete at the drugs and alcohol on to hit, hence the medical team with it.  

The story by the 4,000 dollars in combination with it be present in a drugs building is not affirmed, the RST (investigation Department Cooperation Team) has no indications that this is happened.  

In the broadcast of Network complained Rolled Dompig that he was tegengewerkt from the United States, until almost at the White House.  In that sit possible a core of truth.  The stepfathers of Natalee is a large sponsor of the conservative party of George Bush.  He has would be important connections, the family 'untouchable'.  Might there all indications are that someone of the family there on a boring manner something with to make would have, then see to the State Department and the FBI for it that it in private remains.  That declares the results of Dompig that on a wall of unwillingness stopped as it ask over the family went.

Dompig is left otherwise not voluntarily at the corps, the Arubaanse minister of Justice Rudy Croes has him with a golden handshake and honorary discharge heengezonden.  

Over Natalee: the police sees her as a middle-class girl that always in the pace has must walk by her conservative parents and during a holiday on Aruba everything of her off has gegooid.  Besides is fixed come to stand that they repeated times under influence of alcohol is been, she is well reliable indicated at a drugs building with other local boys that cocaine to buy.  

It remains guess actually is happened at what it.  The RST delivers about that no decisive answer.  

Good.  Warm thanks, Macamba.  What does he think there self from?  

"I remain it it on hold that they with a boat have been taken along because they that laveloos and weak-willedly on the beach lay to sleep.  No option, the currents has been drowned had thrown around the island the body (or the remnants) certain defense on the coast."  

Natalee should have had to listen to John Fogerty, notwithstanding that the 'bath moon rising' remain must, and that evening in the hotel.  

Don' t go around tonight

Well, its bound to task your life

There's a bath moon on the rise.  

As a result of my message about this (past Sunday) someone steered sings a shady to YouTube true John this number.  State

[LilPuma]

Morning monkeys.  As usual, I stop in a couple times a day hoping for news.  This time, I wanted to add a little tidbit about Aruban supporters and their lack of integrity.  

The Holloway-Twitty family supporters that I met on the AOL-Holloway boards in the first year after Natalee's disappearance have had a lot of problems on that board with the AOL team who monitor the boards and act on complaints about posters.  While being attacked personally, being falsely accused of various and sundry crimes, including harrassing the children of a Beth basher (even though they don't even know what state she lives in), they have been repeatedly banned from the AOL Message Boards for usually minor "infractions".  At the same time, some outrageous behavior by the Beth bashers were ignored for the most part and this includes their attempts to dig up personal information about them and "stalking" them on other message boards.   At least one of the Holloway-Twitty supporters had her AOL account terminated because of complaints by the AOL version of the darkside.  One of the people they were referred to with their complaints was named Ron and they got little or no satisfaction in trying to resolve the problems.  This morning, one of them found this picture on his "AIM" page:  



Have a great day everyone!

[klaasend]

Message from Bonsai Monkey:

Glenda, we are watching you....

[greeneyedlady]

Lil Puma-who's that suppose to be in the pic?It's so small I can't tell.

[Easywriter]

Message from Bonsai Monkey:

Glenda, we are watching you....

Has she had botox treatments, extensive plastic surgery, extended stay at Betty Ford's......

I could care less, but ain't it funny what some people choose to focus upon?

[Easywriter]

From FOB-this link:http://www.misdaadjournalist.nl
I am only going to post the translation I got from freetranslation.com because it's kind of long:

That's kind of hard to read.  Are they basically debunking the Renfro/Dompig BS?

[greeneyedlady]

From FOB-this link:http://www.misdaadjournalist.nl
I am only going to post the translation I got from freetranslation.com because it's kind of long:

That's kind of hard to read.  Are they basically debunking the Renfro/Dompig BS?

I'm not sure,that's why I brought here to see if anyone could make out what it means.

[mishy]

http://www.amigoe.com/english/   07/11/2007

Stolen police laptop found back  

ORANJESTAD – The laptop stolen from the home of a Dutch police official was found back.  Two detectives of the Police Corps Aruba ( KPA ) traveled to the Dominican Republic to recover the laptop, which contains a whole lot of information on the criminality in Aruba and a strategic plan.  

The stolen laptop belonged to an official of KPLD from the Netherlands .  He is in Aruba since March to make a so-called ‘combat criminality’ analysis.  The coordination is with the Public Prosecutor (OM).  Janneke Ponsioen of the OM says that the data on the laptop is especially from public sources, like annual reports.  The reason why the OM , the police, and the Detective Cooperative Team ( RST ) wanted the laptop back is according to her, the amount of time that was put into this analysis.    

Up till now, five persons were arrested in this case and five houses were raided.  In one of the homes it appears that a person had bought the laptop and taken it with other stolen goods to the Dominican Republic .  The Dominican police have arrested this person.

With this investigation, the police have found a group of burglars with a permanent receiver.  The investigation is being continued.

Hmmm, wonder what the Dominican interest is in Arubian crime analysis?

[Anna]

GEL,

I can't understand it either but it seems to me to say that Beth found out two days before she arrived that Natalee was heavily into drugs and alcohol especially cocaine and that is why she chartered the Medjet, to treat Natalee for using these so to excess.

But I can't make out at all what it says finally happened to Natalee other than the "bath" moon caused it?  She should have stayed in her hotel??  Just vanished as Arlene used to tell us?  She was using cocaine so much on the beach she passed out and drowned, maybe?

I don't think it is truthful nor very complimentary of Natalee at all.



Why are all these accusations coming out now suddenly?  I do think some of those promoting them hope to sell "their story" for book or movie making and cash in on this tragedy that happened to somebody else.

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[AZSunny]

Is Janneke Ponsioen the new prosecutor on Aruba?  Do we have a picture?

[Buckeye]

In the previous article at that Dutch site, the author discusses the Amigoe article.
Among other comments, he is critical that they did not even contact Beth for a comment.  From translation, he talks of lunatics always come out during these cases, similiar to the McCann case.  Could be for money or attention.  Either one is boring. I believe he talks of trying to make logic out of nonsense.  Maybe Robert can give us the full gist.

Als hier al een kern van waarheid in zit – ik houd er ernstig rekening mee dat het totale onzin is allemaal – is er wel sprake van een bepaalde logica. Bij elke verdwijningszaak zijn er imbecielen die proberen de wanhopige familie af te persen. Zie ook de idioot uit Eindhoven die de ouders van Madeleine McCann een paar miljoen afhandig wilde maken. Het gaat dat soort figuren niet eens om het geld, maar om de aandacht. Iedereen weet dat je met zulke gekken te maken krijgt, maar het blijft vervelend.

Translation

As here all a core of truth in stretch – I love there serious bill with that the total nonsense is all – is there well talk a particular logic.  By each disappearances affair are there imbeciles that try the desperate family finished to press.,.  See also the idiotic out end courts that the parents make of Madeleine McCann a few million afhandig savage.  It do not goes around that kind of figures once the money, but round the attention.  Everybody know that you with such lunatics to make get, but it remains boring.  

http://tinyurl.com/ywnjpm

[Tiger]

First,it is BAD MOON RISING,idiots.Get your titles right.Second-The stats say that the pimps had some inside ideas on who to go after.I think the rooms were rigged with mini cams to record things,like in the bathroom.I also think they selected a group that wasn't hooking up with own group,ever night,who didn't have other problems,and could be seperated.They watched.Natalee's group had one suddenly get a bad case of vomiting,so guess what part of the group,not all,but part take her back.The buddy system is broken.I think a little XTC was given to some earlier,to make them less wary,and then one was loose from the herd.I think this is how the pimps worked.I think it had worked well over 100 times in several years.joran was an apprentice,just as val was.You went,sampled and learned.Of course,control of temper was a problem.When the women come too,they are either cowed or angry,you dump then,not fight them.I think koen is the 5 suspect ,based on Simian.

[greeneyedlady]

Anna-
I really didn't think it was anything good about Natalee-are all those people into blaming victims and their families?
I think that is 'Bad Moon on the Rise" a song athe article is saying Natalee should have listened to it or paid attention to it,I think.

[LilPuma]

Lil Puma-who's that suppose to be in the pic?It's so small I can't tell.

I was afraid to blow the margins so it came out avatar size.  It's Ron, whose AIM page says Yes, I do work for AOL.  This is the guy my friends were referred to with their complaints about blatantly unfair treatment of Beth-Dave supporters.  Ron is standing in front of La Ronda Cafe - Aruba.

[mrs. red]

Morning Monkeys....

Just reading back and doing a quick drive by...

I find it very interesting that Chuck is threatening Red.... and if we are so insignificant as you say ratboy, then why bother?  Honestly, climb back into your cave  -  

GEL, I couldn't understand the article either....

And I have been reading the point about LVR being busted and all of this coming out at the same time... I may have to rethink what I think about all of that...