Natalee Case Discussion #709 12/30 - 1/3/08

[Tamikosmom]

I hope all Monkeys are behaving on this New Year's Day and have not broke any resolutions yet. 

I confess ... I have.  I promised myself on the drive home from a New Year's Day family gathering that ... I would not turn on the computer ... I would go straight to bed.  Well ... hubby is taking our dog for a walk and ... here I am.  I am so weak.   

Happy New Year Red.

Janet
11:00 PM

[Observer]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=U1pZxfmJFCY

This video is dedicated to Natalee Holloway's mother, Beth Holloway Twitty and the activist bloggers at scaredmonkeys.com.

These activist bloggers (known as monkeys), continue to keep the fires of the crime against Natalee stoked, by putting pressure on the Aruban and Dutch authorities to solve the crime of Natalee's disappearance.

The scaredmonkeys blogger's, peacefully demonstrate at tourism trade shows throughout the United States, providing key information to individuals and groups, as to why the Aruban boycott is so important.

By boycotting Aruba, it puts pressure on their government to hold the guilty accountable for Natalee's disappearance and to keep other American citizens from being harmed, if they unwittingly vacation in Aruba.

Natalee's parents were told by the FBI in June of 2005 that she was likely dead. Most recently, Aruban prosecutor Hans Mos, told Natalee's family that she was dead. Yet, no one was held accountable for her death or the disposal of her body? It makes one pause and wonder why? Corruption at the highest and lowest ranks of government is the reason why.

If you will please watch this complete video, it will shed some light as to why Natalee's murder was not prosecuted.

Aruba also needs to direct Natalee's family to the exact location of her remains, so that this precious child can be recovered and afforded a proper Christian burial in her homeland.

It is very likely that Aruban officials know exactly where Natalee's remains are located. This is because of confessions, along with suspects giving directions to where Natalee's body was disposed (that were later retracted), witness statements, wiretaps on suspects, confidential informant information and individuals within the Aruban authorities own ranks, who know exactly what happened to Natalee Holloway.

Aruba, along with the Dutch authorities, had no intention of solving this crime from the very beginning. Damming evidence would have come out in the trial that would expose the filthy underbelly of Aruba and the Netherlands. That could be not be allowed to happen to this tourist destination known as 'One Happy Island', because tourists would stay away.

Beth Holloway Twitty and Jug Twitty essentially solved this crime in less than two-weeks upon arriving in Aruba in May and early June of 2005.

Yet, two and one-half years later, the Aruban and Dutch governments were supposedly never able to solve this crime and announced that Natalee's case would become a 'cold case' and not suspects would be charged. This is because they were not willing to solve the crime.

As I mentioned before, please watch the complete video. You will see much more than just a campaign to Boycott Aruba. You will see the story told of a travesty of injustice perpetrated on an American citizen, by people involved in her death who were not prosecuted and by the Aruban and Dutch authorities themselves.

Please boycott Aruba for the sake of you and your family's safety. Aruba is not safe, like the tourist officials and your travel agent would like for you to believe.

Please urge everyone you know to cross off Aruba as a possible vacation destination.

If you or a loved one go to Aruba, someone may not come back alive. And that is a fact.

*** Please note that the producer of this video is not a scaredmonkey activist blogger. However the producer would be proud to be so ..

[KarmaRoundUp]

SO in esscence if Croes didn't even know k2... why on earth would he lie for them? 

 then it really leads back to jvds and his parents...

IMO Steve Croes was(or still is)a pimp but a different pimp member than J2K's pimp gang.Steve saw that a fellow pimp friend(s) needed an alibi.....Joran had a line of credit at C&C's right?Who got Joran that line of credit...Paulus.So Steve does a favor for a fellow pimp pal,get's fired from the Tattoo,get's a new job at C&C's.Perfect"you scratch my back,I'll scratch your's".
OR
Steve helped with the disposal of Natalee's body.

[MumInOhio]

This is from Scarborough Country back in October 2005:Beth's take on Steve Croes:

SCARBOROUGH:  I understand that Natalee‘s dad is down in Aruba right now.  What is he doing? 

HOLLOWAY TWITTY:  He is.  And they are really concentrating searches, of course, in the water.  And I think that they are focusing.

You know, they have a radius that they are focusing in.  And, you know, as far as that, it seems like everything keeps coming back to the water and dives in the water. 

SCARBOROUGH:  Let‘s go back to the night of crime.  And we have heard about this boat, that there was a guy that got arrested and then released. 

What was the deal?  What was the connection between Joran and this boat and the possibility that they may have taken Natalee‘s body offshore and dumped her?  And where is that right now? 

HOLLOWAY TWITTY:  Well, it is so complicated.

There‘s actually two individuals who have been mentioned.  Either—one, of course, was arrested, Steve Croes, who is—was the deejay on the Tattoo boat.

And he was arrested because he was a lying witness.  And you can be a lying suspect in Dutch law, but you can‘t be a lying witness.  That‘s—I just learned that this summer.  So, what happened was, Steve Croes came forward.  And Joran even mentions him in his first statement, that Steve Croes is the witness to seeing him drop Natalee off at the Holiday Inn and the two security guards coming up to take her. 

So, Steve Croes comes up.  That‘s where he sticks his neck out for some reason.  He volunteers this information that, oh, he witnessed this happening at the Holiday Inn.  Well, that never even happened.  So, that‘s why Steve Croes was arrested.  But I‘m sure there is another motive behind Steve Croes.  I‘m sure that it was that he has involvement.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9796403/


This has a lot of comments on the confusion about exactly who Steve was:
a DJ, an EMT or even a pilot. Also the son of a high ranking official. Remember his Uncle is former ALE...or so we've been told.

Posted by: Dolores | Aug 31, 2005 9:33:45 AM
http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/2005/08/natalee_hollowa_75.html

This from the Lorenzo thread...Thanks *******!


Van Rijn Lorenzo and Max Arendzs were detained and questioned on Friday - Lorenzo is the drug lord and a friend of Paulus VDS - they also are all tied to Steve Croes.

[kgwallace88]

There was one thing on that Channell 13 newscast that I had not
heard before and had wondered about.
They said that if they found what they thought to
be Natalee's remains they would send professional divers
down to retreive the remains. They have divers who can
go the 1,000 ft depth.
 I had wondered how they would get her to the surface.

Hope I'm not getting excited for no reason. . .but I sure hope today is the day!
Those guys are the experts! Apparently someone knows what they are doing! Thank God for them!

[wreck]

There was one thing on that Channell 13 newscast that I had not
heard before and had wondered about.
They said that if they found what they thought to
be Natalee's remains they would send professional divers
down to retreive the remains. They have divers who can
go the 1,000 ft depth.
 I had wondered how they would get her to the surface.

Hope I'm not getting excited for no reason. . .but I sure hope today is the day!
Those guys are the experts! Apparently someone knows what they are doing! Thank God for them!

After what I read above -- it may be that they have already found the "target" and they are just finishing the ROV portion for the entire grid. The NEXT stage (in a few days) will be when they actually attempt retrieval of those "targets."

[MumInOhio]

Good Morning All!

Welcome 88……..

Re Steve Croes and the discussion of the two dogs last night.

Joran says Deepak came with two dogs. San posted a link to GVC’s with two big dogs. Koen’s house has a big gate which could keep in two dogs. LVR had dogs. We’ve heard that Joran had dogs. Even Simian mentions dogs.

A bloody mattress that was reported to have dog’s blood on it. Did they kill two dogs that night? If so, whose dogs were they?

50.   Name: Simian | E-mail: xx | IP: xx
The cowboys’ steel and wires are screaming. The dirty water is large, deep and too wide, but they are sure there is light on their screen.
The Babylonians will be proven right. All along they were right. The story given by the gamblers might check out after all.
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51.   Name: Simian | E-mail: xx | IP: xx
The Babylonians and the cowboys have swarmed the dirty waters. The dead dogs are stinking.
Posted Jun 27, 10:51 AM | Edit Comment | Delete Comment | Edit Post “Natalee Holloway; Breaking Aruba News .... Croes Released ... Now Paul Van der Sloot” | View Post

[Maria]

Natalee case.  My cousins lived in  Perugia for 20 years.  Anyhow I knew as we all did from day 1 the 3 were guilty.  All of the unmarked taxi’s, date rape drugs etc.  The admissions in the police car plus everyone was out looking and where were the sloots and kalpoe’s?  They weren’t out helping to look for Natalee.  To me if you want you name cleared you would do everything to help(including look for Natalee and have your property searched).  And I still remember the image of Joran on the first night when Beth arrived of him beating his chest saying something like “what do you want me to do about your daughter”.  I can’t remember the exact words but he was like a spoiled child – uncaring.   To me the last ones seen with a missing person are always the ones that are guilty.  Look at OJ, Lacey Peterson and Stacey Peterson to name a few.  I am not a lawyer but it’s obvious who is guilty.  Or the ones with money to cover up a crime.

Let’s just hope they have a good tip(which I think they do) and the persistence and her crew will bring her back.  The perps will get it and the parents will have closure.  The front page poster with the name of  Natalee is erie.  But I think it’s good because if the jerks are reading here I hope her spirit goes and visits them every night until they can’t stand it anymore – just like the poster said.

[Peaches]

Thank you Klassend for posting that.



Miss Piggy just threw out the Dutch butter.
She is sending me to the store to buy American cow butter.

"I Can't Believe It's Not Butter".... 

I don't care if they call it "I Swear to God", it's not butter.  Butter comes from cows.  That stuff isn't good for you anyway.  That's the first thing I boycotted.  Followed quickly by Heineken and Dove and Ben & Jerry's and especially Ragu.

Good morning.  Happy New Year. 

[Kimmy53]

Natalee case.  My cousins lived in  Perugia for 20 years.  Anyhow I knew as we all did from day 1 the 3 were guilty.  All of the unmarked taxi’s, date rape drugs etc.  The admissions in the police car plus everyone was out looking and where were the sloots and kalpoe’s?  They weren’t out helping to look for Natalee.  To me if you want you name cleared you would do everything to help(including look for Natalee and have your property searched).  And I still remember the image of Joran on the first night when Beth arrived of him beating his chest saying something like “what do you want me to do about your daughter”.  I can’t remember the exact words but he was like a spoiled child – uncaring.   To me the last ones seen with a missing person are always the ones that are guilty.  Look at OJ, Lacey Peterson and Stacey Peterson to name a few.  I am not a lawyer but it’s obvious who is guilty.  Or the ones with money to cover up a crime.

Let’s just hope they have a good tip(which I think they do) and the persistence and her crew will bring her back.  The perps will get it and the parents will have closure.  The front page poster with the name of  Natalee is erie.  But I think it’s good because if the jerks are reading here I hope her spirit goes and visits them every night until they can’t stand it anymore – just like the poster said.

Hi Maria!  Welcome.  I agree with what you have said... I remember Joran pounding his chest very well...He also tried to say he didn't know her.... Every action of J2K from the beginning points to their guilt.  It makes me sick that they are still out there, and I hope like you do that they are haunted for the rest of their miserable lives by Natalee.  I hope everywhere they turn they are reminded of her.

BTW - good morning monkeys.

[Hotshot]

Whats this?  Who died?
ORANJESTAD (AAN): Oficialnan di Strandpolitie a haci nan trabao bon!  Desde Diahuebs anochi nan a traha non-stop riba e caso serio di atraco cometi contra un inocente turista di apenas 17 aña di edad.

   E atracador brutal a hisa y zwaai e turista femenino y dal su cabez contra pida muraya di e Highrise Timeshare Resort.

   Strandpolitie a sigui traha riba pista, y Diadomingo mainta algo despues di 11’or, nan a logra pone man riba e Anti-social Number Uno di Aruba su Turismo.
   E atracador a worde gara den Rembrandstraat na San Nicolas.

   E homber brutal aki tabata bao influencia di droga ora cu el a worde aresta.  El a worde identifica como Michael Gerard Hector di 35 aña di edad.  E tabata sinta ta come, y no a resisti at all contra su detencion.  E no por a haci nada tampoco contra 4 oficial di Polis riba dje.

   Michael Gerard Hector tabatin como ultimo adres di biba, na Savaneta.
   Awor e ta den man di autoridad, y sigur su Aña Nobo lo pasa cune encarcela den Cel.

   DIARIO ta haci un suplica fuerte di awor caba, pa Husticia baha pisa riba e persona aki.  Pasobra loke el a haci cu turismo riba Diahuebs anochi, ta devastador pa Aruba!  Ohala Ministro di Turismo tambe por haci un suplica asina publicamente den direccion di Ministerio Publico.

   Ademas, DIARIO kier refresca memoria di pueblo riba loke Huez mr. De Wit a yega di bisa den Corte dirigi na un atracador, esta cu: “Bo merece haya un scop duro den bo atras”.


its in the Diario today

[klaasend]

Hotshot - actually Diario hasn't updated since 12/31 - msmarple posted in the Murder and Crime rate thread yesterday.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=188.msg324019#msg324019

[Kermit]

Thank you Klassend for posting that.



Miss Piggy just threw out the Dutch butter.
She is sending me to the store to buy American cow butter.

"I Can't Believe It's Not Butter".... 

I don't care if they call it "I Swear to God", it's not butter.  Butter comes from cows.  That stuff isn't good for you anyway.  That's the first thing I boycotted.  Followed quickly by Heineken and Dove and Ben & Jerry's and especially Ragu.

Good morning.  Happy New Year. 

Thank heaven I only eat flies!

[Kermit]

Hello all and Happy New Year to everyone.

Hoppy New Year and welcome.

[Hotshot]

Hotshot - actually Diario hasn't updated since 12/31 - msmarple posted in the Murder and Crime rate thread yesterday.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=188.msg324019#msg324019

Thanks so much Klaas.    Hey by the way, you didnt sound how I thought you'd sound, but Happy New Years to you too!

[klaasend]

Wednesday, January 2, 2008
X. Persistence
 
Update: 02-Jan- 1205 hrs
The first round of ROV dives are complete.

The Persistence leaves the dock at 0650 hrs. The relentless wind is SE 25-30 kts with 6-8ft swells and 3-4ft wind waves. The two wave forms occasionally add together producing impressive swells which toss around anything that isn’t dogged down. Simple tasks such as taking a shower become complicated and awkward. By now, the search team is well-seasoned to the conditions and terrain. The new grid poses new challenges but provides another chapter to be read. Inch by inch, mile by mile the search continues forward and the data is good.

http://nholloway.blogspot.com/

[klaasend]

Hotshot - actually Diario hasn't updated since 12/31 - msmarple posted in the Murder and Crime rate thread yesterday.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=188.msg324019#msg324019

Thanks so much Klaas.    Hey by the way, you didnt sound how I thought you'd sound, but Happy New Years to you too!

How did you expect me to sound?   

[Magnolia]

Sorry Klaas...please delete mine.

[Kermit]

they must really really really think she is in the water

must be something we all dont know..

* Michael Dompig was the guy who told Dave that they disposed Natalee by boat. Koen!
* John Q. Kelly says there is physical evidence
* Judge releases Kalpoes based upon ruling that their detainment is not warranted due to the nature of the crime. It makes it sound as though their involvement was disposal of the body.

* John Q. Kelly tells Greta there was no new evidence and it was cruel joke.
* The website for the ship going to Aruba suddenly removes all information

JOHN Q. KELLY: "I can't specifically answer but i think the evidence that they have their hands on now will do a lot to clarify the timeline, the whereabouts, the actions and where everybody was that night and the time it was when they were at certain places and what was going on."

In The Face of Evil:
http://nataleesfreebirds.blogspot.com/2007/10/in-face-of-evil-may-30-2005_19.html
http://scaredmonkeys.com/2007/10/19/natalee-holloway-disappearance-in-aruba-in-the-face-of-evil-part-ii/

[Kermit]

Hotshot - actually Diario hasn't updated since 12/31 - msmarple posted in the Murder and Crime rate thread yesterday.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=188.msg324019#msg324019

Thanks so much Klaas.    Hey by the way, you didnt sound how I thought you'd sound, but Happy New Years to you too!

How did you expect me to sound?   

Burley.

Heh Heh