Natalee Case Discussion #771 10/4/08 - 10/26/08

[greeneyedlady]

Also, does anyone remember way back when the posting about the Kalpoe brothers being sent to Aruba because they got into trouble in Suriname??  Anyone know what they did back there??

Sure do, but can't remember if it was ever said what kind of trouble they were in.

[LilPuma]

They drive home and when they get there Satish says not to worry, he will go and pick up his shoes. He asks Joran where he left them, Joran explains this, gets out and Satish drives off.

The shoes are, or were, on a homeless person.  That's assuming he actually left them somewhere. 

[Lala'sMom]

Also, does anyone remember way back when the posting about the Kalpoe brothers being sent to Aruba because they got into trouble in Suriname??  Anyone know what they did back there??

Sure do, but can't remember if it was ever said what kind of trouble they were in.

If we ever found out I missed it.  It could have been another rumor among many.

[mariloo]

Also, does anyone remember way back when the posting about the Kalpoe brothers being sent to Aruba because they got into trouble in Suriname??  Anyone know what they did back there??

Sure do, but can't remember if it was ever said what kind of trouble they were in.

At one time, I was going to print out the facts and timelines but so many people became involved, it was confusing.  What was the guy's name with the boat they first suspicioned had helped get rid of Natalee?  I wish I could get any one of these creeps alone?  I would call in someone to do chinese torture.  They would talk.  I sure was hoping Joran would come to the USA to school.  We had a special welcoming party for him. 

[Ono]

Mum - maybe since he's "into" cell phones via his communications line of work on a very tiny island, he could write the local gossip column ? LOL!

If you looked at my link you will see there is much more to Aruba Fast Phones than just cell activity.  I found so many other places where he posts, but he definitely seems to know everyone there is to know and more.  I also, suspect he's easily persuaded to one side or the other depending on who has the most to offer him.

He seems to have a real talent for duplicity, imo.

[mariloo]

Also, does anyone remember way back when the posting about the Kalpoe brothers being sent to Aruba because they got into trouble in Suriname??  Anyone know what they did back there??

Sure do, but can't remember if it was ever said what kind of trouble they were in.

If we ever found out I missed it.  It could have been another rumor among many.

I really think this was for real.  There was talk of them not being able to go back thre because of this trouble.  I often wondered why they would have stayed in Aruba to face all the media and I believe they had no other option.

[Magnolia]

One thing the chat records confirmed was that the Kalpoe's relative
did own the car rental agency.

[sharon]

Throwing Paulas in the pokey with the others was a part of the big plan.  They all got their stories somewhat together.  Joran is dumb as a post and has an ego the size of Texas.  What an idiot.  I am sure the father thought so too.

I always thought that, too, mariloo

Paulus ending up in jail was an accommodation made for Paulus -- so he could update Joran. And so that Joran, Steve Croes and Paulus could 'duke' it out.

imo

Just like when Paulus couldn't see Joran in jail -- but Anita was permitted -- and suddenly, a 'confession' was 'recanted'.

But Lala's got it right -- we're not going anywhere until there is justice for Natalee (or we die or the forum goes away  )

AVOID ARUBA AS IF YOUR LIFE DEPENDS ON IT....IT DOES !!! Justice for Natalee

[Lala'sMom]

One thing the chat records confirmed was that the Kalpoe's relative
did own the car rental agency.

And the Kalpoes used rental cars which seemed to be at their disposal.  That sends up those same red flags we have often talked about concerning tricked out cars and switching vehicles.  Each time we get another tidbit of info a few more things fall into place. 

[Lala'sMom]

Throwing Paulas in the pokey with the others was a part of the big plan.  They all got their stories somewhat together.  Joran is dumb as a post and has an ego the size of Texas.  What an idiot.  I am sure the father thought so too.

I always thought that, too, mariloo

Paulus ending up in jail was an accommodation made for Paulus -- so he could update Joran. And so that Joran, Steve Croes and Paulus could 'duke' it out.

imo

Just like when Paulus couldn't see Joran in jail -- but Anita was permitted -- and suddenly, a 'confession' was 'recanted'.

But Lala's got it right -- we're not going anywhere until there is justice for Natalee (or we die or the forum goes away  )

AVOID ARUBA AS IF YOUR LIFE DEPENDS ON IT....IT DOES !!! Justice for Natalee

Steve Croes learned real quick that he was on the outside looking in as far as favors were concerned while he was in jail.  Paulus made sure of that.  Steve came out a humble and silent man never to be heard from again.  Also, got paid well for his silence. MOO

[Magnolia]

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AVOID ARUBA AS IF YOUR LIFE DEPENDS ON IT....IT DOES !!! Justice for Natalee
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Steve Croes learned real quick that he was on the outside looking in as far as favors were concerned while he was in jail.  Paulus made sure of that.  Steve came out a humble and silent man never to be heard from again.  Also, got paid well for his silence. MOO
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And the Kalpoes were paid with the ownership of the Internet Cafe.

[sharon]

[quote
AVOID ARUBA AS IF YOUR LIFE DEPENDS ON IT....IT DOES !!! Justice for Natalee

Steve Croes learned real quick that he was on the outside looking in as far as favors were concerned while he was in jail.  Paulus made sure of that.  Steve came out a humble and silent man never to be heard from again.  Also, got paid well for his silence. MOO
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And the Kalpoes were paid with the ownership of the Internet Cafe.
[/quote]

yup

and, yup

and vanderstraaten -- new job in Bonaire
and dompig -- new security company
and gottenboes -- life in the US
and paulus -- partner in a law firm

and the list goes on ........ the list goes on......

[Buckeye]

Hope it's ok to post this here and it may have already been posted, if you need to just delete and Hi everyone!!!

liesbeth Posted: Mon Oct 06, 2008 12:52 pm   
About Natalee and her mother: by Renee Gielen

Quote:
http://www.waterkant.net/suriname/forum/viewtopic.php?id=1657&p=1


Americans even called for a tourism embargo Aruba, while the brill was simply a junkie. Did she really disappear? Or did she take an overdose and was her body secretly taken by the yanks to the States?
Although the lie is fast, the truth is faster and what if appears Natalee was/is just a junky and her mother disturbed the investigation and probably made money out of it?
Natalee Holloway not a goody-goody

AMSTERDAM – The on Aruba disappeared Natalee Holloway was not the goody-goody as her mother keeps describing her. She had an alcohol problem, was very close with different men and was just released from a drugs rehabilitation centre.This cynical portrait gives Renee Gielen who is making a documentary about the mother of Natalee. Beth Holloway-Twitty created a portrait of the dream daughter, a virgin who never made a false step in her live, does not drink, does not smoke and has never experienced with drugs.

The Christian girl that propagated her biblical ideas in voluntary work and was an example for all other younger people, as is written by the paper Amigo.
According to Gielen Natalee ended in a drugs rehabilitation centre short before she came to Aruba.
The American allowed the mail bar visitors licking belly jellies of her body, she was blowing on the beach, her friends warned her not to drink so much, enumerates the documentary maker in the newspaper.

Natalees addiction is discussed in an interview with an Aruban taxi driver, which the producer has on tape. Natalee’s family asked in the taxi for the addresses of drug addicts, apparently in order to obtain drugs for her.
Gielen says that she was from day one suspicious about the disappearance. "When I looked her in her eyes, I knew that there was something wrong. I knew that this was not a distressed mother.
Now I know what I saw: a mother with major problems. "

Gielen describes the book released by the mother of Natalee about the disappearance, as a first degree loud and noisy image building story”. After reading the book the feeling “this is not right ' dominates in every aspect." Her suspicion was even strengthened. "With the lies in the book and the many, dubious claims and events in the last 2.5 years, the question arose: ” did Beth really want Natalee to be found?

Gielen believes that mother BethTwitty only wanted one thing: to cover Natalees shameful behavior and way of disappearance. And she needed a scapegoat for that. That became Joran van der Sloot, the boy last seen with her, according to Amigo.

DOCUMENTARY MAKER TO VS FOR "THE REAL" HOLLOWAY STORY

Willemstad/Oranjestad: ”When I looked into her eyes, I knew there was something wrong and from that moment I started to investigate this case: up till today”.
This tells documentary maker Renee Gielen about Beth Twitty, the mother of Natalee Holloway. Gielen started to investigate world’s most discussed disappearance and was especially affected by the weird behavior of Natalee’s mother who she interviewed in June 2005 in the Holliday Inn Hotel on Aruba for the Dutch television program Twee Vandaag (today Een Vandaag). ”I did not know what I saw in her eyes, I did know that it was not a sad mother I talked too. Now I know what I saw then: a mother in big trouble”.

Earlier this year, the program maker who works and lives on Curaçao, showed video material with statements of people involved which show a new light on the matter. Amigo wrote about it and the Dutch topic program Netwerk showed it on Dutch television. Now she works, also because of the recently released book of Beth Twitty “Loving Natalee”, the true story of the Aruban kidnap, on a documentary with new material on tape. She does this in cooperation with …………………

Gielen is now preparing for a visit to the United States for further research. She describes the book released by the mother as ”a first degree loud and noisy image building story ”. After reading the book the feeling " this is not right ' dominates in every aspect." Her suspicion was even strengthened. "With the lies in the book and the many, dubious claims and events in the last 2.5 years, the question arose: ” did Beth really want Natalee to be found?

IDEAL DAUGHTER

Gielen points out that Natalee never was mentioned in the official missing list of the FBI. She also indicates that the tape of the Holiday Inn on which was to see a blond woman not was send to the forensic Institute in Rijswijk, because Twitty had said that it was not Natalee. In addition, she says she has information that Natalee was not the girl Beth would like to say she was: the dream daughter, a virgin who never made a false step in her live, does not drink, does not smoke and has never experienced with drugs. The Christian girl that propagated her biblical ideas in voluntary work and was an example for all other younger people.

According to Gielen the opposite is true. Natalee supposed to have ended in a drugs rehabilitation centre short before she came to Aruba. The girl supposed to have liked it that much on Aruba, that she did not want to leave anymore.Natalee allowed the mail bar visitors licking belly jellies of her body, was blowing on the beach, her friends warned her even not to drink so much, enumerates the documentary maker. Natalees addiction is discussed in an interview with an Aruban taxi driver Trina, (for protection no last name) who also in the book (as only taxi driver) with (first) name is mentioned. She tells that when Beth’s now second ex-husband, Jug Twitty, and his friend Mitch are sitting in her taxi, they ask the taxi driver to drive to the choller houses on the island. Gielen: “to her question why, the answer is: “because she was in the USA in rehab recently”.

Gielen dares to state that Beth Twitty in the days, months and years after the disappearance of her daughter only wanted one thing: to cover Natalees shameful behavior and way of disappearance. And she needed a scapegoat for that. That became Joran van der Sloot, the boy last seen with her, in the company of the two Surinam brothers Deepak and Satish Kalpoe; they must have done it, according to Gielen. According to Gielen Joran made a mistake by lying in first instance about leaving Natalee. ”He described that also in his book, the book in which he does not spare himself.”

WRONGFUL

The idea, that Twitty played a remarkable role is strongened by the statements done. Gielen names a few examples. “She managed to say in the Fox news, Geraldo, that the Dutch government used the tragic incidents around the Katrina to release the suspects in September 2005. ”Rape is not a crime for the Dutch government', Twitty adds in the interview. ”In the same interview the mother stated that there are five statements in which Joran admits he had sex with Natalee in his house and that Natalee was in and out of consciousness, while these statements do not exist”. Gielen tells.

"If you write in your book about making a remark during a meeting on Aruba with the Aruban Hotel and Tourism Association (Ahata) that it is all about a cover up on the Aruban side and the whispering reaction from the ex chairman of the Ahata was supposed to be “yes, you are right”, than you need guts. While you can count on it that this is going to be checked, which I did.”

About the Strategic Communications Task Force, established by Aruba she writes that this was done 'to combat the negative media and to combat us'. Gielen: "A member of the taskforce disputes this and states that the taskforce always tried to nuance. In the beginning the strategic taskforce even was a liaison for her. Hotels were arranged, her press conferences were made possible. Money was collected”. The member can only guess that Beth experienced the website, which nuanced her unfounded statements and accusations which were damaging the island, experienced as an attack on her.


Gielen tells that Twitty repeatedly told that her daughter did not bring her bank card “because this was left in her bedroom in Alabama". “This while Jug Twitty - stepfather of Natalee, Beth and he are divorced in the meantime – and a friend in a taxi discussed that Natalee after her disappearance twice took money from her bank account after with they blocked the account.

In the book Beth writes to have felt threatened by Charles Croes, who, as the owner of a 'rental cell phone Company” was quickly involved and helped on all fronts. According to Beth he presented himself as a 'clairvoyant "and he supposed to have informed to her sex life when she was alone with him in a car. A friend was supposed to have rescued her just in time. Gielen: ' it is not the only insult she makes in his direction. In an interview I recently had with him, Croes tells his story. And that is quite different. Furthermore, Croes confirms the ties Twitty between Twitty and the White House. Jug Twitty told him: ' I have very long fingers, reaching to the White House”. “Previously, it appeared that Beth Twitty contacted Condoleeza Rice by Jug Twitty, who managed by the Dutch Minister of justice that Aruba made a high profile case.
 

This is old.  It was posted Nov. 2007.  As far as I know, it has gone nowhere.  The part that was forgotten are the others involved: Zij doet dat samen met Dolph van Stapele, Peter Ranzijn, Michel Drente en Suzanne Jansen.  Not to mention the usual crowd (Julia, Angela, Dompig, Trina the cabby) not given the credit due.
Perhaps Renee should actually talk to those that knew Natalee.  Many posted early on.  She was portrayed very similar to Beth's portrayal.  Did they see the signs and read the messages in MB? 

[Pita]

One thing the chat records confirmed was that the Kalpoe's relative
did own the car rental agency.

I'm guessing that would be the Misier's.  According to CAPS, the Dompigs, Misiers and Kalpoes are related.  The Misiers own several car rental agencies.

[johan555]

This is old.  It was posted Nov. 2007.  As far as I know, it has gone nowhere.  The part that was forgotten are the others involved: Zij doet dat samen met Dolph van Stapele, Peter Ranzijn, Michel Drente en Suzanne Jansen.  Not to mention the usual crowd (Julia, Angela, Dompig, Trina the cabby) not given the credit due.
Perhaps Renee should actually talk to those that knew Natalee.  Many posted early on.  She was portrayed very similar to Beth's portrayal.  Did they see the signs and read the messages in MB? 


Tthere was a secret meeting on aruba in 2005 to mislead the internet forums  with Pro joran stuff .
This misinfo team (paid posters ) works for the aruba tourists industry !
I know there is a secret report and that they mislead the papers/media with false information about the effect of the boycot.
They say the impact was not so big (50.000) the year after the dissapearance but that is not correct .
There were 85.000 less tourists and that is a lot

So they have to post the bullshit RG/JR stuff over and over again

[johan555]

This is old.  It was posted Nov. 2007.  As far as I know, it has gone nowhere.  The part that was forgotten are the others involved: Zij doet dat samen met Dolph van Stapele, Peter Ranzijn, Michel Drente en Suzanne Jansen.  Not to mention the usual crowd (Julia, Angela, Dompig, Trina the cabby) not given the credit due.
Perhaps Renee should actually talk to those that knew Natalee.  Many posted early on.  She was portrayed very similar to Beth's portrayal.  Did they see the signs and read the messages in MB? 


Tthere was a secret meeting on aruba in 2005 to mislead the internet forums  with Pro joran stuff .
This misinfo team (paid posters ) works for the aruba tourists industry !
I know there is a secret report and that they mislead the papers/media with false information about the effect of the boycot.
They say the impact was not so big (50.000) the year after the dissapearance but that is not correct .
There were 85.000 less tourists and that is a lot

So they have to post the bullshit RG/JR stuff over and over again

And don't forget that this case was Dead in the Netherlands 1 year ago .
Observer did a good job on Fok and since he start posting there it is here in the picture again .
20 threads with 5500 posts  and about 180.000 views .

[texasmom]

WHERE IS NATALEE!!!

Bump

[Buckeye]

Yes, ******* did work hard...probably still does...hello *******.

[Rob]

Also, does anyone remember way back when the posting about the Kalpoe brothers being sent to Aruba because they got into trouble in Suriname??  Anyone know what they did back there??

Sure do, but can't remember if it was ever said what kind of trouble they were in.

If we ever found out I missed it.  It could have been another rumor among many.

I know the answer to that.

They had some "girl" troubles. I asked if it led to murder and was told it did not but it was assault(s) or molestations.

[klaasend]

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/content_display/television/news/e3ieb736b6e0cb66025321a34467d06c17c

LMN preps Natalee Holloway story
Telefilm set for a 2009 debutBy Kimberly Nordyke

Oct 6, 2008, 05:51 PM ET


Lifetime Movie Network has gone into preproduction on a telefilm based on the real-life story of Natalee Holloway, a teenager who disappeared in 2005 during a senior class vacation in Aruba.

The tentatively titled "The Natalee Holloway Story," from Sony Pictures TV and executive producers Judith Verno and Frank Von Zerneck, is based on the book "Loving Natalee: A Mother's Testament of Hope and Faith," by Holloway's mother, Beth Twitty.

The movie, airing in 2009, will tell the story of Holloway, whose disappearance captured the attention of the national media, and Twitty's efforts to discover the truth about what happened to her daughter.