Sandra Cantu #3 4/15/09 -4/27/09

[Bearlyhere]

Thanks Wyks, I always appreciate you answering my questions. I'm just one of those types, that just has to know why people do what they do, to a lot of people it doesn't matter, but I just have to keep going on about why.

You're welcome Rosie!  I'm the same way.  Guess it helps us in trying to understand this stuff more.  Sometimes we won't know all the why's but it can be interesting trying to dig for them.   

I just wanted to take a moment to let you both know how much I appreciate you.  Just like you, I want to know "why".  It helps build a frame of reference so I can get an understanding of things.  Thank you, Wyks and Rosie.

Awwww you're welcome numbersgirl, and thank you too!  I appreciate what you post and what the other monkeys post as well.  We each bring so much to the forum, in different ways, so we learn from each other in here and that's one really great thing about SM.     

Wyks, that server is down right now, but I am going to read your poem.  I always appreciate reading your thoughts also.  They hold a lot of information and are well thought out.

xo

[Tams]

I always find your posting very informative. thank you for your insight....BTW I looked at your profile and visited the website you have listed. Is this your story? If so, I am very sorry and I find myself wishing I could have adopted that little girl in the poem.

Thank you Tracygirl, glad it's helpful!  And thanks for visiting my site and for your kind words.  It took me so long to get thru my own healing process, my site is one way to give back to help others get thru theirs.  Yes, that poem is my story.  It may hit hard, but every word is true. 

And Tracygirl, I just want to add, that what occured to me, happened in the state of washington, very near the time that pastor lawless was in that state.  And years later when LE realized what was going on in that area, investigated, prosecuted.   Some say it was a witchhunt.  It was not.  It happened to me and obviously a whole lot more as well.   

That's one reason I'm like a dog with a bone in this case.  If we can save just *one child* from this kind of life, then all the hard work is worth every effort.  IMO.

Wow. I, too, then went to your web site, Wyks. I am struggling to find words - much less those words which could possibly be adequate.

As so thoughtfully mentioned by Tracygirl, your ideas and input here are very much  appreciated; I have only been a 'monkey' for about a week or so now, but you have stood out to me as a key respected player. Armed with the additional knowledge of what you have lived through in this life, I now surely have the utmost respect for your perspective. So many of us, including myself, theorize about these issues based on outside resources and feedback/information from other participants here. You, however, have lived it.

I wish I could give you the biggest, warmest monkey hug ever; my long arms are reaching out from Sacramento CA to wherever you may be.

I am reminded once again of how little I really know, and how lucky I truly am.

[Bearlyhere]

I think they ought to exhume the body. For one thing, an additional examination might reveal evidence of additional perpetrators involved. Does this help MH's case? Absolutely. That's one reason why the defense wants an examination. If evidence of another party being involved is brought up, then this introduces doubt about MH's involvement and defuses her responsibility for the crime across other individuals. That's a win for the defense.

But look at it from society's and from "the law's" side though. IF another person is involved...we want them found! I don't like the idea of there potentially being someone out there who may have either helped in the commission of a murder, or who might have helped to cover it up after the fact. If an additional autopsy shows that another person was involved, then I wouldn't object to this discovery being made.

Do I think that MH is guilty of flipping her lid and murdering Sandra? Yes I do. She matches near precisely the profile of the person I predicted some 20 hours BEFORE Melissa was arrested. Even down to details like having a kid, there being a church, with a shed, as being relevant to the case. So I'm on board with the concept she is responsible for Sandra's murder.

I seriously though question whether MH had anything to do with any activity of rape. Murder, yes. But rape...no. It will take quite a convincing demonstration of the evidence for me to believe that a rape OF ANY KIND occurred. I am frequently wrong...and I have often been proven wrong...but I have feel this was more about jealousy and envy than for any sexual reason.  My personal belief is that MH had been feeling some resentment toward Sandra for a while. Much the same type of resentment that a person might have toward another child that excels over their own child. This resentment may have developed into a plan to "get rid of" Sandra. Probably as a vague fantasy of revenge, or annoyance, that got out of control and festered. So something happened that day that finally tipped MH's fantasy from being merely mental into something far worse. Then I think that Sandra was either drugged/poisoned or smothered, or a combination of both. I keep coming back to the impression that something was done to her left leg or foot. Some damage of some kind. I don't know if that is a needle injection point, or rope burns, or what. So I'm waiting to see what the autopsy says just to see if anything is mentioned with that.

I have now come to believe that after the murder MH freaked out. Vague plans of getting rid of Sandra that remain fantasies are all fine, but she now finds herself in a situation with a body she's got to hide. And I think she decided she needed some help to get rid of it. So she either calls or walks to someones house and says, "......I'm in real trouble....I need your help." Whoever it is that she called, which I believe was a male, is a pretty dark individual. I think that the actual time of transporting the body was sometime later that night after the murder. Anytime before 9 o clock...and you're dumping a body in daylight. Between 9 and 12...although I don't know Tracy's nightlife...if it is anything like most towns nightlife, you will have teenagers and other folks out cruising around doing nothing (except watching) until midnight or so. (Locals from Tracy can point out how my theory on this issue fails...for curfew reasons or other things I'm not aware of.) So I believe that Sandra's body was...importantly...being held by this male for a period of time when MH was not around, probably until around 2:30 or 3:00 in the morning. She may have gone back to her home to have an alibi, to look after her own child, to clean up evidence or for some other purpose. IF a rape occurred (which as I say, I'm not sure I believe it did), I believe it would have had to occur while the male was alone with Sandra, waiting to move her body. IF a rape by object occurred, I believe he might have perpetrated this in hopes of fooling the police into believing it was another standard sex crime, or because he is just a freak....or both. If I'm right, this is a violent tempered man who has done some other things before. Some of which, but not all of which, was known to MH. Which is possibly why she would go to seek help from him for this "problem".

If this scenario is close to what occurred (and I'll be the first to admit its probably wrong), I'm not sure that MH is going to confess to it. I believe she would protect this other individual (if he exists and this isn't just my own figment) and that she will NOT implicate him after he tried to "help her out".

It is my opinion that every avenue should be given for both the defense and the prosecution to conduct this proceeding to the best of their ability. We're Americans. That's what we ought to do.

You raise some provocative issues.  You have taken a lot of time and effort with your post.  Thanks for sharing that.  I am looking forward to reading more of your posts as time goes by.  Welcome to the cage.

[Tams]

Good Evening, JessStar!

Been meaning to tell you how much I enjoy your posts; they are always informative and so well written. We monkeys are lucky to have an attorney in our midst to help us navigate through the legalities and help separate fact from fiction.

Mr. Sheneman's statement re: no further arrests in this particular case is key here, I so agree with you; and this feeling we have does in no way involve an inability to believe that a woman could have committed this crime. Whatever happened to Sandra is part of, linked or related to something bigger, which in turn involves more people. And the 'church' is smelling like it might be a part of it. . . . .

By the way - all the best on your trial starting tomorrow! Sending you positive monkey vibes -

Hi Tams!  I don't believe we have met.  Welcome to the cage. 

I'll keep the light on for you!!!

Hello Bearlyhere - and thank you for the warm welcome! Nice to 'meet' you. . . 

[klaasend]

NEW BLINK POST:

http://blinkoncrime.com/2009/04/20/sandra-cantu-case-huckabys-dark-past-emerges/

Sandra Cantu Case: Huckaby’s Dark Past Emerges

[Edward]

Why was she in handcuffs ?
When she makes the accusation of rape she was in the back seat of a patrol car in handcuffs.

[no rose colored glasses]

Wyks  You are an incredibily strong and wonderful person.

[Edward]

One has got to ponder the relationship between the occurrances at this time in Huckaby’s life almost concurrently. Boyfriend and best friend move away, parents adopt a baby girl,  Huckaby alleges rape.  How these incidents unfolded chronologically and by what catalyst will undoubtedly provide a significant window into her behavior going forward.

http://blinkoncrime.com/2009/04/20/sandra-cantu-case-huckabys-dark-past-emerges/

Oh Chit 
 Where is that adopted child today ?

Jealousy/envy.. A curse on mankind.. People lash out in strange ways over this emotion.
jmho

[no rose colored glasses]

NEW BLINK POST:

http://blinkoncrime.com/2009/04/20/sandra-cantu-case-huckabys-dark-past-emerges/

Sandra Cantu Case: Huckaby’s Dark Past Emerges

Excellent post Blink.

[no rose colored glasses]

One has got to ponder the relationship between the occurrances at this time in Huckaby’s life almost concurrently. Boyfriend and best friend move away, parents adopt a baby girl,  Huckaby alleges rape.  How these incidents unfolded chronologically and by what catalyst will undoubtedly provide a significant window into her behavior going forward.

http://blinkoncrime.com/2009/04/20/sandra-cantu-case-huckabys-dark-past-emerges/

Oh Chit 
 Where is that adopted child today ?

Jealousy/envy.. A curse on mankind.. People lash out in strange ways over this emotion.
jmho

Yes, jealousy/envy can make a person do some very strange/horrible things. I too would like to know where this child is now, and how old she is.

[Leroy]

Deenie - thank you so much for all the info.  Especially about Veromi...i have to check that one out for another one I am looking into.

You go Leroy ..

I am telling you that this " MH " is where she is right now behind Bars - because she opened her mouth. Why ? Because she is protecting and using herself as a sway...away from all that is within this " society" that she has been a part of for a very long time.

SHE was Involved with Sandra's demise ..but she was instructed ..to do just this. Find us a Child. Because it all goes back to the little girl that lived in the MHP that Melissa took without her Mom's permission to the Park.
That the Mom claims she had no Cell Phone number of MH, and called the Lawless home frantic ..Where is My Daughter? and then Lawless Grandparents contacted MH - MOM is freaking out and wants her Daughter NOW .. ( after Grandmother of this Child let MH take the Child to the Park with Madison) **** If Madison was there .. that is a wonder in itself.
That it came out that LE was sent to MH/Lawless Home at 2 am that this Child had been Drugged .......... She MH got away with it. She took and drugged this kid and did what? She was Paid and paid Good.
Allegedly this Child was in MH's Care and was Drugged. What happened to this child within the time she was with MH? Did someone take pictures of her ? Did someone abuse her sexually without causing any bodily harm and take photos... I am telling you Leroy..something is seriously wrong .. All the findings of the residents in the MHP while searching for Sandra ..the discovery of Child Porn in residents homes " Computer" why is that now not a priority ..nor spoken of.
So she was told by  go find us another child. This time though, it was not a Cake Walk for MH. She was told go get a Child, Sandra was right there for the picking - so she took Sandra and baited, lured, drugged her ..thinking ok - This will be like last time.
After all is said and done - Sandra will only be missing for a short while .. I will say Sandra was with me ..return her home and all is forgiven.
But something went seriously wrong - Sandra O'd or she was awake and she witnessed People and would TALK. So who ever is within this Sick Bunch - Killed her and then stuffed her in a suitcase and ..tossed her ..
Why I am so sure of this - Is the statements made by Connie Lawless - How she says on April 7th on Camera on Video - Who would Abuse/Murder Sandra ... This was 4 DAYS prior to Sandra's body being found. Why would Connie Lawless make such statements when NOTHING had been released to the public ..that they even had a Lead on Sandra's disappearance. That no one knew anything of anything. Connie and Pastor Lawless know a lot .... A lot ..but since they are portrayed as this simple elderly couple ..representing a Church .. Hmm. So What .. No one suspected MH either till she opened her mouth.

Leroy do you think that someone is Corrupt in Tracy LE? I mean seriously if a elementary age Child was taken by a Neighbor and returned to Home acting strange and was found that the child had drugs in her system ..Would that NOT be All over the News ...??

My Hinkey Meter is Sky High 

Deenie - I'm not ready to say for sure that there is any corruption in Tracy LE..i for sure wouldn't be surprised though if there was for the reasons you stated above....I do think they are very naive and seriously hope that they get a handle on the types of activities that seem to take place there with no ramifications even when an incident is reported. 

I hope they continue to investigate whatever else they may have found on some people in and around the MHP. 

[Wyks]

Bearly, Tams and Rosie, thank you so much!  <monkey hugs!>

Tams, you are from Sacramento?     I heart Sacramento!     My sons and I moved from there to Nebraska back in 2001.   Gosh we sure do miss the American River!  Sigh.  And Del Taco!   

[Tams]

Just came across another great article on Google News written by the savvy young reporter for the Tracy Press, Jennifer Wadsworth re: another little girl drugged before Sandra was missing:

http://www.tracypress.com/pages/full_story?page_label=home&id=2353504-Huckaby+tied+to+January+missing+girl+report&widget=push&article-Huckaby%20tied%20to%20January%20missing%20girl%20report%20=&instance=home_news_lead_story&open=&amp

Quote that had me saying "Ooooohhhhhhh" out loud:
"Police logs say the girl’s mother had alcohol on her breath and carried around some type of drug. Police dismissed the incident because of the mother’s drug and alcohol problem..."

So that explains an awful lot, doesn't it? Seems Tracy police have some explaining to do re: making assumptions and not following up . . .

[Leroy]

I think they ought to exhume the body. For one thing, an additional examination might reveal evidence of additional perpetrators involved. Does this help MH's case? Absolutely. That's one reason why the defense wants an examination. If evidence of another party being involved is brought up, then this introduces doubt about MH's involvement and defuses her responsibility for the crime across other individuals. That's a win for the defense.

But look at it from society's and from "the law's" side though. IF another person is involved...we want them found! I don't like the idea of there potentially being someone out there who may have either helped in the commission of a murder, or who might have helped to cover it up after the fact. If an additional autopsy shows that another person was involved, then I wouldn't object to this discovery being made.

Do I think that MH is guilty of flipping her lid and murdering Sandra? Yes I do. She matches near precisely the profile of the person I predicted some 20 hours BEFORE Melissa was arrested. Even down to details like having a kid, there being a church, with a shed, as being relevant to the case. So I'm on board with the concept she is responsible for Sandra's murder.

I seriously though question whether MH had anything to do with any activity of rape. Murder, yes. But rape...no. It will take quite a convincing demonstration of the evidence for me to believe that a rape OF ANY KIND occurred. I am frequently wrong...and I have often been proven wrong...but I have feel this was more about jealousy and envy than for any sexual reason.  My personal belief is that MH had been feeling some resentment toward Sandra for a while. Much the same type of resentment that a person might have toward another child that excels over their own child. This resentment may have developed into a plan to "get rid of" Sandra. Probably as a vague fantasy of revenge, or annoyance, that got out of control and festered. So something happened that day that finally tipped MH's fantasy from being merely mental into something far worse. Then I think that Sandra was either drugged/poisoned or smothered, or a combination of both. I keep coming back to the impression that something was done to her left leg or foot. Some damage of some kind. I don't know if that is a needle injection point, or rope burns, or what. So I'm waiting to see what the autopsy says just to see if anything is mentioned with that.

I have now come to believe that after the murder MH freaked out. Vague plans of getting rid of Sandra that remain fantasies are all fine, but she now finds herself in a situation with a body she's got to hide. And I think she decided she needed some help to get rid of it. So she either calls or walks to someones house and says, "......I'm in real trouble....I need your help." Whoever it is that she called, which I believe was a male, is a pretty dark individual. I think that the actual time of transporting the body was sometime later that night after the murder. Anytime before 9 o clock...and you're dumping a body in daylight. Between 9 and 12...although I don't know Tracy's nightlife...if it is anything like most towns nightlife, you will have teenagers and other folks out cruising around doing nothing (except watching) until midnight or so. (Locals from Tracy can point out how my theory on this issue fails...for curfew reasons or other things I'm not aware of.) So I believe that Sandra's body was...importantly...being held by this male for a period of time when MH was not around, probably until around 2:30 or 3:00 in the morning. She may have gone back to her home to have an alibi, to look after her own child, to clean up evidence or for some other purpose. IF a rape occurred (which as I say, I'm not sure I believe it did), I believe it would have had to occur while the male was alone with Sandra, waiting to move her body. IF a rape by object occurred, I believe he might have perpetrated this in hopes of fooling the police into believing it was another standard sex crime, or because he is just a freak....or both. If I'm right, this is a violent tempered man who has done some other things before. Some of which, but not all of which, was known to MH. Which is possibly why she would go to seek help from him for this "problem".

If this scenario is close to what occurred (and I'll be the first to admit its probably wrong), I'm not sure that MH is going to confess to it. I believe she would protect this other individual (if he exists and this isn't just my own figment) and that she will NOT implicate him after he tried to "help her out".

It is my opinion that every avenue should be given for both the defense and the prosecution to conduct this proceeding to the best of their ability. We're Americans. That's what we ought to do.

You bring up some great points.  Since the autopsy was performed prior to them having any *concrete* suspects, I have to assume that the coroner was very thorough in his exam....so I'm not sure there would be any positive outcomes from another autopsy. 

[Leroy]

Just came across another great article on Google News written by the savvy young reporter for the Tracy Press, Jennifer Wadsworth re: another little girl drugged before Sandra was missing:

http://www.tracypress.com/pages/full_story?page_label=home&id=2353504-Huckaby+tied+to+January+missing+girl+report&widget=push&article-Huckaby%20tied%20to%20January%20missing%20girl%20report%20=&instance=home_news_lead_story&open=&amp

Quote that had me saying "Ooooohhhhhhh" out loud:
"Police logs say the girl’s mother had alcohol on her breath and carried around some type of drug. Police dismissed the incident because of the mother’s drug and alcohol problem..."

So that explains an awful lot, doesn't it? Seems Tracy police have some explaining to do re: making assumptions and not following up . . .

Geez, this is getting a bit ridiculous....how many times are they going to dismiss these types of incidents...seems Tracy LE always has an excuse for everyone    

[Wyks]

Just came across another great article on Google News written by the savvy young reporter for the Tracy Press, Jennifer Wadsworth re: another little girl drugged before Sandra was missing:

http://www.tracypress.com/pages/full_story?page_label=home&id=2353504-Huckaby+tied+to+January+missing+girl+report&widget=push&article-Huckaby%20tied%20to%20January%20missing%20girl%20report%20=&instance=home_news_lead_story&open=&amp

Quote that had me saying "Ooooohhhhhhh" out loud:
"Police logs say the girl’s mother had alcohol on her breath and carried around some type of drug. Police dismissed the incident because of the mother’s drug and alcohol problem..."

So that explains an awful lot, doesn't it? Seems Tracy police have some explaining to do re: making assumptions and not following up . . .

Yeppers they sure do have some 'splainin to do!!  Of course, right now, they have not much comment, cuz this is all part of an ongoing murder investigation.  Wonder if that means they will address it in court?  Or sweep that part under the nearest rug.

[no rose colored glasses]

Just came across another great article on Google News written by the savvy young reporter for the Tracy Press, Jennifer Wadsworth re: another little girl drugged before Sandra was missing:

http://www.tracypress.com/pages/full_story?page_label=home&id=2353504-Huckaby+tied+to+January+missing+girl+report&widget=push&article-Huckaby%20tied%20to%20January%20missing%20girl%20report%20=&instance=home_news_lead_story&open=&amp

Quote that had me saying "Ooooohhhhhhh" out loud:
"Police logs say the girl’s mother had alcohol on her breath and carried around some type of drug. Police dismissed the incident because of the mother’s drug and alcohol problem..."

So that explains an awful lot, doesn't it? Seems Tracy police have some explaining to do re: making assumptions and not following up . . .

Now isn't that interesting? So lets just assume.....

[Izzy58]

Breaking News!


Huckaby Now Tied To Jan. Missing Girl Case
Full Coverage Of Sandra Cantu Investigation
Reporting
David Begnaud
TRACY, Calif. (CBS13) ―





 
Melissa Huckaby, 28, is now tied to a report that someone in January took a 7-year-old girl to a nearby park for four hours and brought her back under the influence of muscle relaxers, according to Tracy Police.

According to authorities, the incident was reported on January 17 by a family who resides in the Orchard Estates Mobile Home Park. Huckaby also lived in the mobile home park, as well as 8-year-old Sandra Cantu before she went missing and her body was found on April 10th.

According to the January report, someone took a 45-pound, blue-eyed, dark haired girl to a park and was allegedly gone for four hours. Tracy Police logs states that the two were gone from 1:30 p.m. – 5 p.m.

When the suspect returned the girl to her mother at 5:43 p.m., the family took the girl to a local hospital.  Police did not show up to the hospital until 10 p.m. that evening.

After the girl was examined, a doctor found that girl was under the influence of Benzodiazepines, a muscle relaxant, according to the Tracy Police log.

Reports indicate that the suspect allegedly took the girl in a purple Kia Sportage. Police towed a purple Kia Sportage registered to Melissa Huckaby after farmworkers found Sandra's body inside a suitcase in an irrigation pond.

Huckaby was charged with murdering Sandra Cantu, with the added special circumstances of rape with a foreign object, lewd or lascivious conduct with a child under 14 and murder in the course of a kidnapping. The 28-year-old divorced mother is due back in court this upcoming Friday, when she is expected to enter a plea.

[Izzy58]

Sorry!  Didn't see it posted 

[JessStar]

Good Evening, JessStar!

Been meaning to tell you how much I enjoy your posts; they are always informative and so well written. We monkeys are lucky to have an attorney in our midst to help us navigate through the legalities and help separate fact from fiction.

Mr. Sheneman's statement re: no further arrests in this particular case is key here, I so agree with you; and this feeling we have does in no way involve an inability to believe that a woman could have committed this crime. Whatever happened to Sandra is part of, linked or related to something bigger, which in turn involves more people. And the 'church' is smelling like it might be a part of it. . . . .

By the way - all the best on your trial starting tomorrow! Sending you positive monkey vibes -

Thanks Tams!  The positive monkey vibes worked--the case resolved as the trial was getting ready to start!