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Title: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 #1 1/01/10 - 1/15/10
Post by: MuffyBee on January 01, 2010, 06:45:53 PM
http://www.woai.com/news/local/story/Multi-state-search-for-missing-infant-centers-on/5Fq7Jx_HWE2Gwzy0J4s9Vg.cspx

Multi-state search for missing infant centers on San Antonio
January 1, 2010
Reported by: Kristina De Leon 

(Slide Show Available in article at link)
(http://www.woai.com/media/lib/12/0/9/0/090749d3-b48d-49ad-8b0a-61ec79f8140d/Story.jpg)Johnson and her infant son had been in San Antonio from Dec. 22 to 27. The last name Gabriel was seen was on Dec. 26 and police think he's still here. (From Tempe, AZ, Police Department)

(http://www.woai.com/media/lib/12/e/4/5/e45292d8-3242-4db8-a823-7bdad16dfb64/FeatureImage.jpg)
(Feature Image of Gabriel Johnson)

SAN ANTONIO – Arizona police have been looking for Elizabeth Johnson, 23, since Dec. 28 after she left with her son, 8-month-old, Gabriel during a custodial interference case.

On Wednesday, Dec. 30, the Tempe woman was found in Miami Beach, Florida – but without her son.
Though the mother was located, law enforcement officials are still looking for the car the two were reported to be in. It’s described as a white 1995 Oldsmobile Delta-88, Arizona plate AGZ4214. (From Tempe, AZ, Police Department)
Though the mother was located, law enforcement officials are still looking for the car the two were reported to be in. It’s described as a white 1995 Oldsmobile Delta-88, Arizona plate AGZ4214. (From Tempe, AZ, Police Department)
Johnson and her infant son had been in San Antonio from Dec. 22 to 27. The last name Gabriel was seen was on Dec. 26 and police think he's still here.

Tempe, Arizona police say Elizabeth Johnson has made threats to harm Gabriel in the past. She lost her custodial rights on Dec. 28 after she didn’t show up for a hearing.

Though the mother was located, law enforcement officials are still looking for the car the two were reported to be in. It’s described as a white 1995 Oldsmobile Delta-88, Arizona plate AGZ4214.
(http://www.woai.com/media/lib/12/8/2/4/82440a5e-a442-4708-9dd1-c887ee198799/Story.jpg)
(http://www.woai.com/media/lib/12/d/f/1/df13a208-7eb1-4bb9-b228-ab87f853416c/Story.jpg)
Photo of Elizabeth Johnson

Anyone with information about this case is urged to call either 911, the San Antonio office of the FBI at 210-225-6741, the Tempe Police Department at (480) 350-8311, or Silent Witness at 480-WITNESS (480-948-6377).


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: MuffyBee on January 01, 2010, 06:52:50 PM
http://www.kens5.com/news/local/test-today-80458837.html

FBI joins search for missing baby

(http://media.kens5.com/images/470*261/gabriel4.jpg)
By KENS 5 Staff

Posted on January 1, 2010 at 1:22 AM

Updated today at 3:43 PM


(Slide show with 6 pictures in article available at above link)

The FBI is now  searching for missing 8-month-old Gabriel Johnson.

His mother, Elizabeth Johnson, 23, was caught Wednesday in San Antonio.

According to police, Johnson left Arizona with her son, but, she does not have custodial rights to him.

In the past, Johnson made threats to harm the baby. She lost custodial rights on December 28, 2009, when she failed to appear at a custody hearing .

So far, there have been no signs of  Baby Gabriel since December 26. He was not with Johnson when she was arrested.

Officers have not found Johnson's car, a white 1995 Oldsmobile Delta-88 with Arizona plates AGZ4214.

Anyone who has information regarding the whereabouts of little Gabriel Johnson is asked to contact the FBI Hotline at 210-225-6741, the Tempe Police Department at 480-350-8311, or Silent Witness at 480-WITNESS.

 


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: no rose colored glasses on January 01, 2010, 07:56:33 PM
Baby Missing; Mom Found In Fla.
Police Search For 8-Month-Old Boy

POSTED: Friday, January 1, 2010
UPDATED: 1:58 pm EST January 1, 2010
Gabriel Johson
Tempe, Ariz., Police Department
MIAMI BEACH, Fla. -- An Arizona mother whom police sought in a custody case has been found in South Florida, but there is no sign of her 8-month-old son.

Police In Tempe, Ariz., said 23-year-old Elizabeth Johnson took her 8-month-old son, Gabriel Johnson, from the state on Dec. 18. Police said she was in San Antonio, Texas, with Gabriel between Dec. 22 and Dec. 27, but the baby has not been seen since Dec. 26.

According to investigators, Johnson lost custody of her son on Monday when she did not show up for a custody hearing in Arizona.

Police said Johnson has threatened to harm the baby in the past.

Investigators found Johnson in Miami Beach on Wednesday night, but Gabriel was not with her, according to Miami Beach and Tempe police. Investigators continue to search for him.

Police also are searching for the car Johnson was driving, a white 1995 Oldsmobile Delta-88 with Arizona license plate AGZ4214.

Anyone who has information about 8-month-old Gabriel is asked to call Tempe police at 480-350-8311.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: trimmonthelake on January 01, 2010, 09:18:39 PM
http://www.miamiherald.com/news/florida/AP/story/1406113.html

Posted on Friday, 01.01.10
Tempe baby still missing after mother's arrest
The Associated Press

TEMPE, Ariz. -- A Tempe woman has been arrested in Florida on suspicion of custodial interference but police say the whereabouts of her infant son remain unknown.

Authorities say 23-year-old Elizabeth Johnson was taken into custody Wednesday by Miami Beach police. They say Johnson was in San Antonio, Texas, from Dec. 22 to 27.

Johnson was scheduled to appear in Maricopa County Superior Court's Family Court in Phoenix for a Dec. 28 custodial hearing. But authorities say she failed to appear and lost custodial rights to 8-month-old Gabriel Johnson.

Authorities say Elizabeth Johnson has yet to reveal the wherebouts of her baby and they also are searching for the car she was driving.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 01, 2010, 10:18:38 PM
Tempe Baby Still Missing After Mother's Arrest

TEMPE, Ariz. - A Tempe baby is missing after his mother fled Arizona with him. The mother, Elizabeth Johnson, was arrested in Florida, but 8-month-old Gabriel Johnson's whereabouts are unknown.

Police say Elizabeth has made threats to harm Gabriel in the past and lost her custodial rights to Gabriel in December after she failed to appear at a custody hearing.

She did not appear for the court hearing in December because she apparently fled the state.  Police found her in Miami, Florida.

Police are also looking for the car Johnson was driving: a White 1995 Oldsmobile Delta-88, with Arizona license plate AGZ4214.

Anyone with additional information as to the whereabouts of Gabriel Johnson are urged to contact the Tempe Police Department at 480-350-8311 or Silent Witness at 480-WITNESS.

http://www.myfoxphoenix.com/dpp/news/local/tempe/johnson_010110


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: klaasend on January 01, 2010, 10:56:15 PM
I have a bad feeling about this one.   ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: trimmonthelake on January 02, 2010, 08:33:51 AM
http://www.wctv.tv/APNews/headlines/80497777.html
Posted: 8:28 AM Jan 2, 2010
Missing Arizona Baby
Tempe baby still missing after mother's arrest.
Reporter: Associated Press
TEMPE, Ariz. (AP) -- A Tempe woman has been arrested in Florida on suspicion of custodial interference but police say the whereabouts of her infant son remain unknown.

Authorities say 23-year-old Elizabeth Johnson was taken into custody Wednesday by Miami Beach police. They say Johnson was in San Antonio, Texas, from Dec. 22 to 27.

Johnson was scheduled to appear in Maricopa County Superior Court's Family Court in Phoenix for a Dec. 28 custodial hearing. But authorities say she failed to appear and lost custodial rights to 8-month-old Gabriel Johnson.

Authorities say Elizabeth Johnson has yet to reveal the whereabouts of her baby and they also are searching for the car she was driving.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: trimmonthelake on January 02, 2010, 09:40:54 PM
http://www.khou.com/home/Baby-missing-after-mom-spends-Christmas-in-SA-80503637.html
Baby missing after mom spends Christmas in San Antonio
by KENS 5 staff

Posted on January 2, 2010 at 1:01 PM

Updated today at 2:54 PM
******

SAN ANTONIO -- The FBI is now  searching for missing 8-month-old Gabriel Johnson.
His mother, Elizabeth Johnson, 23, was caught Wednesday in Miami after spending Christmas in San Antonio.
According to police, Johnson left Arizona with her son, but, she does not have custodial rights to him.
In the past, Johnson made threats to harm the baby. She lost custodial rights on December 28, 2009, when she failed to appear at a custody hearing .
So far, there have been no signs of  Baby Gabriel since December 26. He was not with Johnson when she was arrested.
Officers have not found Johnson’s car, a white 1995 Oldsmobile Delta-88 with Arizona plates AGZ4214.
Anyone who has information regarding the whereabouts of little Gabriel Johnson is asked to contact the FBI Hotline at 210-225-6741, the Tempe Police Department at 480-350-8311, or Silent Witness at 480-WITNESS.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: MuffyBee on January 02, 2010, 09:43:36 PM
Praying for baby Gabriel to be found safe.  And soon.   ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 03, 2010, 09:55:20 PM
Police here searching for missing Arizona boy

Police are looking for a missing Arizona boy last seen here with his mother on Dec. 26, according to the Tempe Police Department.

Authorities do not know why Elizabeth Johnson, 23, was in San Antonio over the course of five days with her son Gabriel, said Sgt. Steve Carbajal, a spokesman for Tempe Police. Police are concerned for the safety of the boy, 8 months old, because his mother made previous threats against him.

On Wednesday, Johnson was arrested in Miami Beach, Fla.,. Gabriel was not with her.

She left Arizona with her son on Dec. 18, arrived here on Dec. 22 and left around Dec. 27, according to a police press release.

Johnson failed to appear on Dec. 28 for a custody hearing in an Arizona courthouse and a warrant was issued for her arrest for custodial interference, Carbajal said.

Johnson's car has not been found, authorities said. It is a white, 1995 Oldsmobile Delta 88, with Arizona license plate AGZ4214, according to the release. Anyone with information is asked to call Tempe Police at (480) 350-8311 or Silent Witness at (480) 948-6377.


http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/local_news/80547257.html


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: MuffyBee on January 03, 2010, 10:00:42 PM
Prayers for little Gabriel  ::MonkeyAngel::  I wonder where Police are searching for him?  I pray they are looking for a live child  ::MonkeyAngel::

I don't know what to think about Elizabeth's missing car.   


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 03, 2010, 10:19:05 PM
Looking for a needle in a hay stack.  I pray for Gabriel but fear this is not going to end well.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 04, 2010, 02:22:01 AM
She stayed at HomeGate studio and suites in San Antonio off of I10 and then another Home Gate Studio and Suites on San Gabriel Ave.

She was trying to adopt the baby out.

http://www.foxsanantonio.com/newsroom/top_stories/videos/vid_863.shtml

Missing Baby Follow-up
The nationwide search continues for a missing 8-month-old baby last seen in San Antonio.
His mom has been taken into custody in Miami but she refuses to tell authorities where baby Gabriel Johnson is.
The family that was about to adopt the baby believes he's still alive and still in town.
Yami Virgin has this Fox News at Nine exclusive.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: trimmonthelake on January 04, 2010, 09:39:06 AM
Prayers for Gabriel.  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: trimmonthelake on January 04, 2010, 09:40:54 AM
http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/local_news/80547257.html

Web Posted: 01/03/2010 5:39 CST
Police here searching for missing Arizona boy
By Michelle Mondo   - Express-News

Police are looking for a missing Arizona boy last seen here with his mother on Dec. 26, according to the Tempe Police Department.

Authorities do not know why Elizabeth Johnson, 23, was in San Antonio over the course of five days with her son Gabriel, said Sgt. Steve Carbajal, a spokesman for Tempe Police. Police are concerned for the safety of the boy, 8 months old, because his mother made previous threats against him.

On Wednesday, Johnson was arrested in Miami Beach, Fla.,. Gabriel was not with her.

She left Arizona with her son on Dec. 18, arrived here on Dec. 22 and left around Dec. 27, according to a police press release.

Johnson failed to appear on Dec. 28 for a custody hearing in an Arizona courthouse and a warrant was issued for her arrest for custodial interference, Carbajal said.

Johnson's car has not been found, authorities said. It is a white, 1995 Oldsmobile Delta 88, with Arizona license plate AGZ4214, according to the release. Anyone with information is asked to call Tempe Police at (480) 350-8311 or Silent Witness at (480) 948-6377.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 04, 2010, 10:57:26 AM
Geraldo did a small piece on Gabriel last night.  The police from San Antonio said that they know she was trying to give away, adopt out and sell Gabriel when she was there.  They are not sure if she succeeded. 


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: no rose colored glasses on January 04, 2010, 10:59:35 AM
Geraldo did a small piece on Gabriel last night.  The police from San Antonio said that they know she was trying to give away, adopt out and sell Gabriel when she was there.  They are not sure if she succeeded. 
Wow, I sure hope that and he is still alive, surely if this is what happened, someone will see a person/couple with Gabriel and call the police.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: MuffyBee on January 04, 2010, 10:59:36 AM
Geraldo did a small piece on Gabriel last night.  The police from San Antonio said that they know she was trying to give away, adopt out and sell Gabriel when she was there.  They are not sure if she succeeded. 

Thank you for the update Northern Rose.  I'm continuing to pray for Gabriel's safety and hope he will be found alive and well soon.  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 04, 2010, 11:09:43 AM
I believe this to be the custody case

Docket >Family Court Cases
Family Court Case Information - Case History
 Case Information
Case Number: FC2009-007470 Judge: McVey, Michael
File Date: 12/11/2009 Location: Downtown
Case Type: Family Court With Children   
Party Information
Party Name Relationship Sex Attorney
Logan Scott  McQueary   Petitioner  Male  Pro Per 
Elizabeth Joanne  Johnson   Respondent  Female  Pro Per 

Case Documents
Filing Date Description Docket Date Filing Party
12/26/2009  AFS - Affidavit Of Service  12/29/2009   
NOTE: SERVED 12/21/2009 
12/21/2009  SDS - Sensitive Data Sheet - Restricted Access  12/21/2009  Petitioner 
12/17/2009  UPI - Updated Information Address and/or Name  12/22/2009  Respondent 
12/17/2009  ODF - Order Deferring Court Fees  12/18/2009   
12/17/2009  ADW - Application Deferral/Waiver  12/18/2009  Petitioner 
12/17/2009  ANP - Acknowledgment & Notice of Parenting Conference  12/21/2009   
12/17/2009  ANP - Acknowledgment & Notice of Parenting Conference  12/21/2009   
12/15/2009  AFS - Affidavit Of Service  12/17/2009   
NOTE: SERVED 12/14/09 
12/15/2009  ORA - Order To Appear  12/16/2009   
NOTE: RE MOTION FOR TEMPORARY ORDERS 
12/14/2009  Adr - Alternative Dispute Resolution Statement  12/16/2009  Respondent 
12/14/2009  SDS - Sensitive Data Sheet - Restricted Access  12/16/2009  Respondent 
12/14/2009  ODF - Order Deferring Court Fees  12/16/2009   
12/14/2009  ANS - Answer  12/17/2009  Respondent 
12/14/2009  ADW - Application Deferral/Waiver  12/16/2009  Respondent 
12/14/2009  MOT - Motion  12/15/2009  Petitioner 
NOTE: FOR PRE-DECREE TEMPORARY ORDER WITHOUT NOTICE FOR CHILD CUSTODY 
12/14/2009  PWC - Parent Worksheet/Child Support  12/16/2009  Respondent 
12/11/2009  COM - Complaint  12/14/2009  Petitioner 
12/11/2009  SUM - Summons  12/14/2009  Petitioner 
12/11/2009  ONA - Ord & Notice Attend Parent Inf  12/14/2009  Petitioner 
12/11/2009  SDS - Sensitive Data Sheet - Restricted Access  12/14/2009  Petitioner 
Case Calendar
Date Time Event
12/17/2009 13:45   Return   
12/28/2009 13:30   Return   
3/26/2010 8:30   Trial/Evidentiary Hearing

http://www.superiorcourt.maricopa.gov/docket/FamilyCourtCases/caseInfo.asp?caseNumber=FC2009-007470


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 04, 2010, 11:16:42 AM
Baby Daddy has a drug history

Case Type: Criminal  Location:  Downtown   
Party Information
Party Name - Number Relationship Sex Attorney Judge Case #
State Of Arizona - (1)
  Plaintiff  N/A  County Attorney, Maricopa     
David Earl Hoffman - (2)
  Defendant  M  Egita, Tara  Mulleneaux  CR2004-023070-001   
Logan Scott McQueary - (3)
  Defendant  M  BUCK, BRUCE  Mulleneaux  CR2004-023070-002   
Clerk Of The Court - (4)
  In The Matter Of  N/A  To Be Determined     
Case Documents
Filing Date Description Docket Date Filing Party
6/23/2009  ODP - Order of Discharge of Probation - Party (002)  6/26/2009   
NOTE: COUNT 1/EFFECTIVE 07/16/09
6/23/2009  ODP - Order of Discharge of Probation - Party (002)  6/26/2009   
NOTE: COUNT 3/EFFECTIVE 07/16/09
3/3/2009  RSD - Request to Establish Start Date of Restitution, Probation Service Fees, Fines - Party (002)  3/9/2009   
2/25/2009  DRS - Disposition Report Supplemental - Party (002)  2/27/2009   
2/20/2009  TOP - Terms and Conditions Of Probation - Party (002)  2/20/2009   
2/19/2009  580 - ME: Dispo Reinst-Rev Arr/Hrg - Party (002)  2/19/2009   
2/18/2009  IAD - Initial Appearance Document - Party (002)  2/23/2009   
2/18/2009  PVR - Probation Violation Report - Party (002)  2/24/2009   
2/18/2009  TCP - Terms & Conditions Of Probation/Money Ordered - Party (002)  2/20/2009   
2/18/2009  BWA - Bench Warrant - Party (002)  2/18/2009   
NOTE: SERVED 02/11/09
2/18/2009  NRR - Notice Of Rights Of Review - Party (002)  2/20/2009   
12/8/2008  SJU - Satisfaction Of Judgment - Party (002)  12/12/2008   
11/4/2008  NRD - Notice Of Release Of Deposit - Party (002)  11/5/2008   
NOTE: $500 PAID TO COUNTY TREASURER
10/27/2008  RTM - Returned Mail - Party (002)  10/27/2008   
10/7/2008  195 - ME: Bond Forfeited - Party (002)  10/7/2008   
9/30/2008  BFJ - Bond Forfeiture Judgment - Party (002)  10/1/2008   
7/25/2008  133 - ME: Bw Issued Hrg/Trl Vacate - Party (002)  7/25/2008   
7/22/2008  IAD - Initial Appearance Document - Party (002)  7/28/2008   
7/7/2008  056 - ME: Hearing Set - Party (002)  7/7/2008   
6/18/2008  NDC - Notice Of Deposit With Court - Party (002)  7/2/2008   
NOTE: $500
6/12/2008  112 - ME: Revocation Arraignment - Party (002)  6/12/2008   
6/9/2008  PVW - Probation Violation Bench Warrant - Party (002)  6/9/2008   
NOTE: SERVED 06/03/08
3/25/2008  PRP - Petition To Revoke Probation/Order - Party (002)  3/27/2008   
NOTE: COUNT 1/WARRANT ISSUED/NO BOND
3/25/2008  PRP - Petition To Revoke Probation/Order - Party (002)  3/27/2008   
NOTE: COUNT 3/WARRANT ISSUED/NO BOND
9/18/2006  PRW = Petition To Revoke Probation - Warrantless Arrest - Party (001)  9/19/2006   
9/18/2006  PRW = Petition To Revoke Probation - Warrantless Arrest - Party (001)  9/19/2006   
9/12/2006  585 - ME: Disp Rev/Doc-Rev Arr/Hrg - Party (001)  9/12/2006   
9/12/2006  DRS - Disposition Report Supplemental - Party (001)  9/19/2006   
9/11/2006  MPL - Modification of Probation Level - Party (001)  9/15/2006   
9/7/2006  NRR - Notice Of Rights Of Review - Party (001)  9/14/2006   
9/7/2006  IAD - Initial Appearance Document - Party (001)  9/12/2006   
9/7/2006  PVR - Probation Violation Report - Party (001)  9/20/2006   
9/7/2006  OCP-Order of Confinement/Sentence of Imprisonment to ADOC - Party (001)  9/19/2006   
8/10/2006  DRS - Disposition Report Supplemental - Party (002)  8/18/2006   
8/8/2006  IAD - Initial Appearance Document - Party (002)  8/11/2006   
8/2/2006  580 - ME: Dispo Reinst-Rev Arr/Hrg - Party (002)  8/2/2006   
7/31/2006  PVR - Probation Violation Report - Party (002)  8/9/2006   
7/31/2006  NRR - Notice Of Rights Of Review - Party (002)  8/9/2006   
7/31/2006  BWA - Bench Warrant - Party (002)  8/1/2006   
NOTE: PROBATION VIOLATION SERVED 7-24-06
7/31/2006  TOP - Terms and Conditions Of Probation - Party (002)  8/2/2006   
7/31/2006  TCP - Terms & Conditions Of Probation/Money Ordered - Party (002)  8/3/2006   
6/26/2006  NOT - Notice - Party (001)  6/28/2006   
NOTE: OF DRUG USE/TESTING VIOLATION
4/28/2006  PVW - Probation Violation Bench Warrant - Party (002)  5/8/2006   
4/28/2006  PVW - Probation Violation Bench Warrant - Party (002)  5/8/2006   
1/19/2006  MOT - Motion - Party (001)  1/23/2006   
NOTE: TO REQUEST TO ATTEND FUNERAL
11/17/2005  PVR - Probation Violation Report - Party (001)  11/17/2005   
11/1/2005  TOP - Terms and Conditions Of Probation - Party (001)  11/1/2005   
10/28/2005  TCP - Terms & Conditions Of Probation/Money Ordered - Party (001)  10/28/2005   
10/26/2005  DRS - Disposition Report Supplemental - Party (001)  11/17/2005   
10/25/2005  580 - ME: Dispo Reinst-Rev Arr/Hrg - Party (001)  10/25/2005   
10/18/2005  PRP - Petition To Revoke Probation/Order - Party (001)  10/28/2005   
NOTE: WARRANTLESS ARREST
10/18/2005  PRP - Petition To Revoke Probation/Order - Party (001)  10/28/2005   
NOTE: WARRANTLESS ARREST
10/13/2005  IAD - Initial Appearance Document - Party (001)  11/4/2005   
10/13/2005  NRR - Notice Of Rights Of Review - Party (001)  11/14/2005   
10/3/2005  PMP - Petition to Modify Condition of Probation/Order - Party (001)  10/25/2005   
9/20/2005  NDU - Notification of Drug Use/Testing Violation - Party (001)  9/29/2005   
NOTE: VIOLATION
8/1/2005  023 - ME: Order Entered By Court - Party (001)  8/1/2005   
7/19/2005  RES - Response - Party (001)  8/2/2005   
NOTE: TO DEFENDANT'S MOTION TO MODIFY TERMS OF PROBATION
7/5/2005  MOT - Motion - Party (001)  8/10/2005   
NOTE: TO MODIFY TERMS AND CONDITIONS
7/5/2005  MOT - Motion - Party (001)  7/18/2005   
NOTE: TO MODIFY TERMS AND CONDITIONS
6/9/2005  PMP - Petition to Modify Condition of Probation/Order - Party (001)  7/5/2005   
5/19/2005  PRP - Petition To Revoke Probation/Order - Party (001)  6/1/2005   
NOTE: WARRANTLESS ARREST
5/19/2005  IAD - Initial Appearance Document - Party (001)  5/26/2005   
5/19/2005  PRP - Petition To Revoke Probation/Order - Party (001)  6/2/2005   
NOTE: WARRANTLESS ARREST
5/16/2005  580 - ME: Dispo Reinst-Rev Arr/Hrg - Party (001)  5/16/2005   
5/12/2005  TCP - Terms & Conditions Of Probation/Money Ordered - Party (001)  6/1/2005   
5/12/2005  TOP - Terms and Conditions Of Probation - Party (001)  6/1/2005   
5/12/2005  PVR - Probation Violation Report - Party (001)  6/1/2005   
5/12/2005  NRR - Notice Of Rights Of Review - Party (001)  6/2/2005   
5/4/2005  DRE - Disposition Report - Party (001)  5/16/2005   
4/25/2005  021 - ME: Nunc Pro Tunc Order - Party (001)  4/25/2005   
4/19/2005  MOT - Motion - Party (001)  5/13/2005   
NOTE: TO AMEND SENTENCING MINUTE ENTRY NUNC PRO TUNC
4/6/2005  DRE - Disposition Report - Party (002)  5/2/2005   
3/25/2005  109 - ME: Sentence - Probation - Party (002)  3/25/2005   
3/25/2005  109 - ME: Sentence - Probation - Party (001)  3/25/2005   
3/23/2005  PSR - Presentence Report - Party (002)  4/4/2005   
3/23/2005  NRR - Notice Of Rights Of Review - Party (002)  4/7/2005   
3/23/2005  NRR - Notice Of Rights Of Review - Party (001)  4/7/2005   
3/23/2005  PSR - Presentence Report - Party (001)  4/4/2005   
3/23/2005  TCP - Terms & Conditions Of Probation/Money Ordered - Party (001)  3/29/2005   
3/23/2005  TCP - Terms & Conditions Of Probation/Money Ordered - Party (001)  3/29/2005   
3/23/2005  TCP - Terms & Conditions Of Probation/Money Ordered - Party (002)  3/29/2005   
3/23/2005  PSR - Presentence Report - Party (002)  5/10/2005   
2/23/2005  105 - ME: Plea Agreement/Change Of Plea - Party (001)  2/23/2005   
2/23/2005  105 - ME: Plea Agreement/Change Of Plea - Party (002)  2/23/2005   
2/22/2005  PAG - Plea Agreement - Party (001)  3/3/2005   
2/22/2005  PAG - Plea Agreement - Party (002)  3/3/2005   
1/6/2005  TDA - Trial Date Acknowledgement - Party (001)  2/3/2005   
1/5/2005  REQ - Request - Party (001)  1/12/2005   
NOTE: FOR DISCOVERY
1/3/2005  RTR - Return Receipt For Official Court Files/Transcripts/Exhibits - Party (002)  1/5/2005   
12/30/2004  TDA - Trial Date Acknowledgement - Party (002)  1/28/2005   
12/28/2004  MTR - Motion for Temporary Removal Of Court File/Transcripts/Exhibit - Party (002)  1/6/2005   
12/28/2004  OFT - Order for Temporary Removal of Court File/Transcripts/Exhibits - Party (002)  1/6/2005   
12/28/2004  RRF - Release Receipt For Official Court Files/Transcripts/Exhibits - Party (002)  1/6/2005   
12/27/2004  RTR - Return Receipt For Official Court Files/Transcripts/Exhibits - Party (001)  12/30/2004   
12/27/2004  NOT - Notice - Party (001)  1/4/2005   
NOTE: OF DEFENSES
12/23/2004  023 - ME: Order Entered By Court - Party (002)  12/23/2004   
12/21/2004  MTR - Motion for Temporary Removal Of Court File/Transcripts/Exhibit - Party (001)  1/10/2005   
12/21/2004  OFT - Order for Temporary Removal of Court File/Transcripts/Exhibits - Party (001)  1/10/2005   
12/21/2004  RRF - Release Receipt For Official Court Files/Transcripts/Exhibits - Party (001)  1/10/2005   
12/17/2004  RAD - Request For Automatic Additional Disclosure - Party (002)  12/29/2004   
12/13/2004  ALG - Allegation - Party (001)  12/21/2004   
NOTE: OF MULTIPLE OFFENSES NOT COMMITTED ON THE SAME OCCASION
12/13/2004  ALG - Allegation - Party (001)  12/21/2004   
NOTE: OF AGGRAVATING CIRCUMSTANCES OTHER THAN PRIOR CONVICTIONS
12/13/2004  ALG - Allegation - Party (002)  12/21/2004   
NOTE: OF AGGRAVATING CIRCUMSTANCES OTHER THAN PRIOR CONVICTIONS
12/13/2004  ALG - Allegation - Party (002)  12/21/2004   
NOTE: OF MULTIPLE OFFENSES NOT COMMITTED ON THE SAME OCCASION
12/13/2004  NDR - Notice of Defenses and Request for Notice of Rebuttal Witnesses - Party (001)  12/29/2004   
12/13/2004  NDD - Notice of Discovery Disclosure/Witness/Interviews - Party (002)  12/29/2004   
12/7/2004  MOT - Motion - Party (002)  12/17/2004   
NOTE: TO WITHDRAW
12/3/2004  152 - ME: Not Guilty Plea Arraign - Party (001)  12/10/2004   
12/1/2004  FIN - Financial Information - Party (001)  12/9/2004   
12/1/2004  SAS - Summons & Affidavit Of Service - Party (001)  12/9/2004   
12/1/2004  ORC - Order Regarding Counsel - Party (001)  12/13/2004   
12/1/2004  ROR - Release Order - Party (001)  12/13/2004   
NOTE: OWN RECOGNIZANCE 12/1/04
11/23/2004  152 - ME: Not Guilty Plea Arraign - Party (002)  11/29/2004   
11/22/2004  173 - ME: Arraignment Reset - Party (001)  11/22/2004   
11/22/2004  FIN - Financial Information - Party (002)  12/2/2004   
11/19/2004  SUM - Summons - Party (002)  12/2/2004   
11/19/2004  ORC - Order Regarding Counsel - Party (002)  12/2/2004   
11/19/2004  ROR - Release Order - Party (002)  12/2/2004   
NOTE: OWN RECOGNIZANCE 11/19/04
11/18/2004  SAS - Summons & Affidavit Of Service - Party (002)  11/18/2004   
NOTE: SERVED 11/17/04
11/9/2004  SAS - Summons & Affidavit Of Service - Party (001)  11/9/2004   
NOTE: SERVED 11/6/04
11/4/2004  IND - Indictment - Party (002)  11/18/2004   
11/4/2004  600 - ME: GJ True Bill/Summons Issued - Party (002)  11/18/2004   
11/4/2004  IND - Indictment - Party (001)  11/9/2004   
11/4/2004  600 - ME: GJ True Bill/Summons Issued - Party (001)  11/9/2004   
Case Calendar
Date Time Event
11/19/2004  8:30    Original Arraignment Hearing 
11/19/2004  8:30    Original Arraignment Hearing 
12/1/2004  8:30    Arraignment Hearing 
12/30/2004  8:30    Initial Pretrial Conference 
1/6/2005  8:30    Initial Pretrial Conference 
2/22/2005  8:30    Change Of Plea 
2/22/2005  8:30    Change Of Plea 
3/16/2005  8:30    Trial Management Conference 
3/23/2005  8:30    Sentencing 
3/23/2005  8:30    Sentencing 
3/23/2005  9:30    Trial 
4/18/2005  8:30    Trial Management Conference 
4/25/2005  9:30    Trial 
5/12/2005  11:00    Probation Revocation Arraignment Hearing 
5/12/2005  11:1    Disposition Hearing 
10/13/2005  11:00    Probation Revocation Arraignment Hearing 
10/13/2005  11:1    Disposition Hearing 
7/31/2006  11:00    Probation Revocation Arraignment Hearing 
7/31/2006  12:30    Disposition Hearing 
9/7/2006  11:00    Probation Revocation Arraignment Hearing 
9/7/2006  12:30    Disposition Hearing 
6/10/2008  11:00    Probation Revocation Arraignment Hearing 
7/3/2008  8:00    Non-Witness Violation Hearing 
7/22/2008  8:00    Non-Witness Violation Hearing 
7/31/2008  14:30    Witness Violation Hearing 
9/9/2008  13:30    Bond Forfeiture Hearing 
2/18/2009  11:00    Probation Revocation Arraignment Hearing 
2/18/2009  11:1    Disposition Hearing 

http://www.superiorcourt.maricopa.gov/docket/CriminalCourtCases/caseInfo.asp?caseNumber=CR2004-023070


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 04, 2010, 11:19:28 AM
Geraldo did a small piece on Gabriel last night.  The police from San Antonio said that they know she was trying to give away, adopt out and sell Gabriel when she was there.  They are not sure if she succeeded. 
Wow, I sure hope that and he is still alive, surely if this is what happened, someone will see a person/couple with Gabriel and call the police.

There is a video here with a phone interview of a woman who says she was trying to adopt Gabriel. 

http://www.foxsanantonio.com/newsroom/top_stories/videos/vid_863.shtml


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 04, 2010, 11:25:54 AM
CR2004023070
 (002)  MCQUEARY, LOGAN SCOTT 02/22/2005



Docket Code 105 Form R105 Defendant enters a plea of Guilty to the following:
OFFENSE: Count 1 (as amended): Solicitation to Commit Burglary in the Second Degree
Class 5 felony
A.R.S. § 13-1002, 1501, 1507, 301, 302, 303, 304, 610, 701, 702.01, 702, 801
Date of Offense: July 14, 2004
Non Dangerous - Non Repetitive
OFFENSE: Count 3 (as amended): Solicitation to Commit Burglary in the Third Degree
Class 6 undesignated felony
A.R.S. § 13-1002, 1501, 1506, 301, 302, 303, 304, 610, 701, 702.01, 702, 707, 801, 802

Docket Code 109 OFFENSE: Count 1 (AMENDED): SOLICITATION TO COMMIT BURGLARY IN
THE SECOND DEGREE
Class 5 felony
A.R.S. § 13-1002, 1501, 1507, 301, 302, 303, 304, 610, 701, 702.01, 702, 801
Date of Offense: 07/14/2004
Non Dangerous - Non Repetitive

OFFENSE: Count 3 (AMENDED): SOLICITATION TO COMMIT BURGLARY IN
THE THIRD DEGREE
Class 6 undesignated
A.R.S. § 13-1002, 1501, 1506, 301, 302, 303, 304, 610, 701, 702.01, 702, 707, 801, 802
Date of Offense: 07/15/2004
Non Dangerous - Non Repetitive
IT IS ORDERED suspending imposition of sentence and, under the supervision of the
Adult Probation Department (APD), placing the defendant on probation for:
Count 1 Probation Term: 3 years
To begin 03/23/2005.
Count 3 Probation Term: 3 years
To begin 03/23/2005.
Conditions of probation include the following:
Condition 16 - Restitution, Fines, and Fees:
PROBATION SERVICE FEE: Count 1 - $50.00 per month, beginning 05/01/2005.
REIMBURSEMENT: Count 1 - $100.00 payable $5.00 per month, beginning
05/01/2005.
ASSESSMENTS:
Count 1: PROBATION SURCHARGE: $5.00
Count 3: PROBATION SURCHARGE: $5.00
Count 1: Time payment fee pursuant to A.R.S. § 12-116 in the amount of $20.00.
All amounts payable through the Clerk of the Superior Court.
The Court retains jurisdiction for any future restitution hearings.
Condition 17 - Not consume or drink any substance containing alcohol.
Condition 18 - Not have any contact with the victim(s) whatsoever, unless approved in
writing by the Adult Probation Department.

Condition 19 - Count 1: Complete 80 hours of approved community work service at a
minimum rate of 10 hours per month beginning as directed in writing by the Adult Probation
Department.
Condition 24 - Participate and cooperate in any counseling or assistance as directed by
the APD as noted in the Uniform Conditions of Supervised Probation.
Condition 26 - Other: No contact with David Earl Hoffman
IT IS ORDERED granting the Motion To Dismiss the following: Count 2, allegation of
multiple offenses.
Probation in both counts to run concurrently with each other.

http://www.courtminutes.maricopa.gov/JONamesearch.asp


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 04, 2010, 11:38:37 AM
In Custody Inmate Information    Printer-Friendly 
   
  Personal Information
Name: JOHNSON, ELIZABETH 
Sex: F Race: W Eye:  BLU Weight: 140 Lbs
DOB: 07/24/1986  Hair: BLN Height:  5'   6"
  Click to Enlarge  Click to Enlarge 
Booking Information
Jail Number: 090109715  IDS: 2388385 Loc: WDC 
Date Booked: 12/31/2009  Time Booked: 04:28 
 
Case(s) Information
Warrant Case: F09041920  Desc: FUGITIVE WARRANT-OUT OF STATE EXTRADITE  Bond: N/A **
 
 
http://egvsys.metro-dade.com:1608/wwwserv/crts/IPSAWNSI.DIA


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 04, 2010, 11:42:33 AM
Elizabeth Joanne  Johnson   DOB: 7/24/1986
Warrant Case: F09041920

Logan Scott  McQueary    McQueary, Logan - DOB: 1/2/1985


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 04, 2010, 11:48:31 AM
Elizabeth Joanne Johnson   and  Logan Scott  McQueary - Gabriel's parents


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: no rose colored glasses on January 04, 2010, 12:07:14 PM
Geraldo did a small piece on Gabriel last night.  The police from San Antonio said that they know she was trying to give away, adopt out and sell Gabriel when she was there.  They are not sure if she succeeded. 
Wow, I sure hope that and he is still alive, surely if this is what happened, someone will see a person/couple with Gabriel and call the police.

There is a video here with a phone interview of a woman who says she was trying to adopt Gabriel. 

http://www.foxsanantonio.com/newsroom/top_stories/videos/vid_863.shtml
Thank-you. I may have missed this, does the father want to raise Gabriel, and Elizabeth will do what ever it takes that this isn't going to happen?


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 04, 2010, 12:08:43 PM
More pictures of Gabriel


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: no rose colored glasses on January 04, 2010, 12:11:00 PM
What an adorable little boy ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 04, 2010, 12:12:57 PM
When I was going through the Arizona court records I came across a paternity and child support case and discounted it as not being the correct Elizabeth Johnson as she would have had to been 12 when she had the child.  I am wondering if it is the same Elizabeth as Gabriel's now after seeing the pictures with the older girl in them.   ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 04, 2010, 12:14:32 PM
Geraldo did a small piece on Gabriel last night.  The police from San Antonio said that they know she was trying to give away, adopt out and sell Gabriel when she was there.  They are not sure if she succeeded. 
Wow, I sure hope that and he is still alive, surely if this is what happened, someone will see a person/couple with Gabriel and call the police.

There is a video here with a phone interview of a woman who says she was trying to adopt Gabriel. 

http://www.foxsanantonio.com/newsroom/top_stories/videos/vid_863.shtml
Thank-you. I may have missed this, does the father want to raise Gabriel, and Elizabeth will do what ever it takes that this isn't going to happen?

There is little being said about what the custody issue is all about other than this woman yapping on the Fox clip.  She has skin in the game though as she wanted to adopt Gabriel so who knows how slanted her view on things are right now.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 04, 2010, 12:15:56 PM
What an adorable little boy ::MonkeyAngel::

He is a cutie.  Praying he is safe.   ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: no rose colored glasses on January 04, 2010, 12:17:40 PM
When I was going through the Arizona court records I came across a paternity and child support case and discounted it as not being the correct Elizabeth Johnson as she would have had to been 12 when she had the child.  I am wondering if it is the same Elizabeth as Gabriel's now after seeing the pictures with the older girl in them.   ::MonkeyEek::
I wondered who the older child in the above pics was, I just figured some cousin or family friend.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 04, 2010, 12:28:21 PM
 ::MonkeyEek::

http://www.myspace.com/elizj86


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 04, 2010, 12:31:33 PM
On her myspace look at the picture for Tammifay.  It looks to be the same little red headed girl as the one in the pictures with Gabriel.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 04, 2010, 12:36:18 PM
One of the comments on her Myspace was left by a guy that is from Camp Pendleton, Chandler, and Rahway, Arizona ,United States .

Is there not a big base in San Antonio?


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 04, 2010, 12:43:45 PM
Reader comment:

rmacadam said on January 1, 2010 at 6:10 PM
Hello, I am Logans cousin, and it would be so awsome if anyone had any information regarding the case of his missing Son, Gabriel. Elizabeth, the boys Mother, was arrested in Florida, but Gabe was not with her. It is believed that Elizabeth wanted to give Gabe up for adoption to a lady in Texas. My cousin has turned his life around, and Gabe means everything to him. Please, if anyone has any information, Please contact the Tempe Police.. Thank You

http://www.azfamily.com/news/local/Police-searching-for-missing-8-month-old-80465852.html


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 04, 2010, 12:47:40 PM
Tempe police ask for help to locate infant missing 5 days (with video)

TEMPE, AZ -- Police are asking for the public's help to locate a Tempe infant missing for nearly a week.

Tempe police spokesperson Molly Enright said the boy's 23-year-old mother, Elizabeth Johnson, was being sought in connection with a custodial interference case, and was located in Florida Tuesday.

"A lot of times, as you see a case develop, you can pretty much put your finger on the reason, the motive because you've seen it before, but in this case we don't know what's going on," said Tempe Police Sgt. Steve Carbajal. "It's a very unique case."

Carbajal said Johnson left Arizona with her 8-month-old son Gabriel on December 18.

"Everybody knew where she was and that was OK," Carbajal said. "She just wanted to get away for a while and then these series of events happened where it was a concern for the father that she would not show up for a hearing. His fears were confirmed."

Gabriel's father was awarded sole custody of him when Elizabeth did not show up in court on Monday, December 28.

Police say Gabriel was last seen with his mother at a park near Six Flags in San Antonio, Texas on December 26. 

On Tuesday, December 29, Johnson was found and arrested at a Youth Hostel in Miami Beach, Florida.  Gabriel was not with her and detectives said she refuses to tell them where he is.

"She was confronted, arrested and interviewed exhaustively about the whereabouts of the child," said Wayne Jones, with Miami Beach Police.

"All we know at this point is Gabriel can be anywhere between San Antonio and Miami Beach," Tempe police say.

Carbajal confirmed Johnson has reportedly made threats to harm Gabriel, but says there is no evidence yet that the threats were carried out.
 
"Is she saying these things to hurt the father or would she actually hurt her own baby?" he said. "We don't know yet. We're hoping the baby is in good condition and will be returned safely."

Police are still looking for the vehicle Johnson was driving -- a white 1995 Oldsmobile Delta-88, with Arizona license plate AGZ4214.

Anyone with information as to the whereabouts of Gabriel Johnson is urged to contact the Tempe Police Department at 480-350-8311 or Silent Witness at 480-WITNESS (480-948-6377).


http://www.abc15.com/content/news/southeastvalley/tempe/story/Tempe-police-ask-for-help-to-locate-infant/xgsbK2cK80iD5ZWBC0ifjg.cspx


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 04, 2010, 12:49:50 PM
Gabriel's first picture with Sanata this year.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: no rose colored glasses on January 04, 2010, 12:51:06 PM
On her myspace look at the picture for Tammifay.  It looks to be the same little red headed girl as the one in the pictures with Gabriel.
It does look like her. I pray this is not a Casey Anthony crime going on here, Elizabeth appears to have a smirk to her, and the comment on her Myspace  ::MonkeyEek:: I'm not sure what to think, usually I get some sort of feelings, but not with this, so that is why I'm hoping she left the little one with someone she knows, but as time goes on....


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 04, 2010, 12:53:39 PM
Youth Hostile in Miami Beach where Elizabeth was arrested


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 04, 2010, 12:57:40 PM
Police say Gabriel was last seen with his mother at a park near Six Flags in San Antonio, Texas on December 26.  Elizabeth unofficially checked out of the Hotel on Dec 27.  My gut is telling me whatever happened to Gabriel happened at that park by Six Flags.  Whether she met up with someone there to give Gabriel to or something else.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: no rose colored glasses on January 04, 2010, 01:03:55 PM
Police say Gabriel was last seen with his mother at a park near Six Flags in San Antonio, Texas on December 26.  Elizabeth unofficially checked out of the Hotel on Dec 27.  My gut is telling me whatever happened to Gabriel happened at that park by Six Flags.  Whether she met up with someone there to give Gabriel to or something else.
That could very well be, she unofficially checked out of the hotel, just left sooner then she was suppose to?


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 04, 2010, 01:05:55 PM
On her myspace look at the picture for Tammifay.  It looks to be the same little red headed girl as the one in the pictures with Gabriel.
It does look like her. I pray this is not a Casey Anthony crime going on here, Elizabeth appears to have a smirk to her, and the comment on her Myspace  ::MonkeyEek:: I'm not sure what to think, usually I get some sort of feelings, but not with this, so that is why I'm hoping she left the little one with someone she knows, but as time goes on....

Since she is in Jail in Florida maybe another inmate will give her Baez's number.   ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 04, 2010, 01:07:27 PM
Police say Gabriel was last seen with his mother at a park near Six Flags in San Antonio, Texas on December 26.  Elizabeth unofficially checked out of the Hotel on Dec 27.  My gut is telling me whatever happened to Gabriel happened at that park by Six Flags.  Whether she met up with someone there to give Gabriel to or something else.
That could very well be, she unofficially checked out of the hotel, just left sooner then she was suppose to?

They don't say.  I am thinking when room service came to do their thing they found her gone.  All any of the articles state is that she did not check out with the front desk.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 04, 2010, 01:09:13 PM
From her myspace she had friends/ties  in Boston
She lived in Tempe AZ
She took Gabriel to San Antonio TX
She was arrested in Miami , FL

Four states now that could be involved and many miles in between


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 04, 2010, 01:13:16 PM
She checked out of the hotel in San Antonio on Dec 27, she was arrested in Miami FL on Dec 30.  Her car could be anywhere in between.  I am thinking she ditched it in Florida though.

1,382 mi – about 21 hours 27 mins
 


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: no rose colored glasses on January 04, 2010, 01:14:11 PM
From her myspace she had friends/ties  in Boston
She lived in Tempe AZ
She took Gabriel to San Antonio TX
She was arrested in Miami , FL

Four states now that could be involved and many miles in between
And to end up in a youth hostel in Miami  ::MonkeyEek:: And where in the heck is her car?


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 04, 2010, 01:15:44 PM
Map from Tempe, AZ to San Antonio TX, to Miami FL

2,359 mi


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 04, 2010, 01:30:43 PM
She stayed at HomeGate studio and suites in San Antonio off of I10 - 10950 Laureate Drive , san antonio, tx.  Here is a map to Six flags.  Gabriel was last seen with her on Dec 26th at a park near Six flags. 

5.4 mi – about 11 mins



Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: no rose colored glasses on January 04, 2010, 01:38:37 PM
Thanks for all the maps Northern  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 04, 2010, 01:42:49 PM
Can anyone find Raymond Russell County Park in San Antonio?


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: trimmonthelake on January 04, 2010, 02:00:27 PM
Can anyone find Raymond Russell County Park in San Antonio?

Here is the link.I keep getting knocked out of the cage.   ::MonkeyNoNo::
http://www.sanantonio.gov/sapar/raymondrussellreservations.asp?res=1024&ver=true


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: trimmonthelake on January 04, 2010, 02:07:49 PM
I found this map NorthernRose,if it helps.   ::MonkeyAngel::
http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&q=20644+W.+IH+10,+San%20Antonio,+TX+78257&ie=UTF8&om=1


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 04, 2010, 02:16:07 PM
I found this map NorthernRose,if it helps.   ::MonkeyAngel::
http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&q=20644+W.+IH+10,+San%20Antonio,+TX+78257&ie=UTF8&om=1


This is perfect thanks! ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 04, 2010, 02:21:12 PM
HomeGate studio and suites in San Antonio off of I10 - 10950 Laureate Drive  to  Raymond Russell County Park in San Antonio where Gabriel was last seen on Dec 26. 


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 04, 2010, 02:25:55 PM
HomeGate studio and suites in San Antonio off of I10 - 10950 Laureate Drive  to  Raymond Russell County Park in San Antonio where Gabriel was last seen on Dec 26. 

I don't know what happened to the map I posted as I got booted out of the cage.  Here it is again.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 04, 2010, 02:43:30 PM
Baby missing after mom spends Christmas in S.A.

The FBI is now  searching for missing 8-month-old Gabriel Johnson.

His mother, Elizabeth Johnson, 23, was caught Wednesday in Miami after spending Christmas in San Antonio.

According to police, Johnson left Arizona with her son, but, she does not have custodial rights to him.

In the past, Johnson made threats to harm the baby. She lost custodial rights on December 28, 2009, when she failed to appear at a custody hearing .

So far, there have been no signs of  Baby Gabriel since December 26. He was not with Johnson when she was arrested, and she refuses to say what she did with him.

Johnson, who has a criminal record that does not include violence, will not cooperate with investigators,  and neither will her family members, even though Johnson was facing a loss of custody. Her desperate moves have baffled authorities.

Officers have not found Johnson's car, a white 1995 Oldsmobile Delta-88 with Arizona plates AGZ4214.

Anyone who has information regarding the whereabouts of little Gabriel Johnson is asked to contact the FBI Hotline at 210-225-6741.

http://www.kens5.com/news/local/test-today-80458837.html


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 04, 2010, 02:58:02 PM
 ::MonkeyEek::

Tammifay from the fox interview who says she was trying to adopt Gabriel is the same Tammifay who left a message on Elizabeth's myspace on Dec 31. 

http://www.foxsanantonio.com/newsroom/top_stories/videos/vid_863.shtml



Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 04, 2010, 03:04:02 PM
Tammifay's Myspace

Female
37 years old
Glendale, Arizona
United States
Last Login: 02/01/2010
Mood: accomplished

http://www.myspace.com/tammifay


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 04, 2010, 03:07:07 PM
Reader Comments:

iveryrox - 1/1/2010 7:37 PM

My sister happens to know these people as she lives where they used to live. The news people were there today for this story. About 2 months ago, the woman, Liz was screaming in her apt. It sounded as if she was in an argument with the baby's Father. The cops were called due to breaking glass and all the screaming. When police arrived, it was determined she was in the apt with only her son there. The Father came home from work to this. This woman is bi-polar and has a tendency of not taking her medication. This is the reason why he got custody of his son. She is not nor was not a battered woman in this case. Her son was not abused. The problem is, she had a man who loved her and his son and was trying to help her the best he could. The other problem is, he is now without his son and very distraught as to his whereabouts. She is not providing any information to the police about where Gabriel is. Just that she killed him. I am only hoping she is having a manic moment and has not harmed Gabriel.

http://www.abc15.com/content/news/southeastvalley/tempe/story/Tempe-police-ask-for-help-to-locate-infant/xgsbK2cK80iD5ZWBC0ifjg.cspx?p=Comments


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: no rose colored glasses on January 04, 2010, 04:56:39 PM
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iveryrox - 1/1/2010 7:37 PM

My sister happens to know these people as she lives where they used to live. The news people were there today for this story. About 2 months ago, the woman, Liz was screaming in her apt. It sounded as if she was in an argument with the baby's Father. The cops were called due to breaking glass and all the screaming. When police arrived, it was determined she was in the apt with only her son there. The Father came home from work to this. This woman is bi-polar and has a tendency of not taking her medication. This is the reason why he got custody of his son. She is not nor was not a battered woman in this case. Her son was not abused. The problem is, she had a man who loved her and his son and was trying to help her the best he could. The other problem is, he is now without his son and very distraught as to his whereabouts. She is not providing any information to the police about where Gabriel is. Just that she killed him. I am only hoping she is having a manic moment and has not harmed Gabriel.

http://www.abc15.com/content/news/southeastvalley/tempe/story/Tempe-police-ask-for-help-to-locate-infant/xgsbK2cK80iD5ZWBC0ifjg.cspx?p=Comments
That doesn't sound good at all. And this Tammifay woman, WTH.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: MuffyBee on January 04, 2010, 05:04:35 PM
Still hoping for a good outcome for baby Gabriel.   ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 04, 2010, 05:06:57 PM
Mother arrested, but Tempe baby still missing

Police fear 8-month-old Gabriel Johnson could be dead, sold or simply given away to a stranger after his mother, who had threatened to harm him, was arrested in Miami Beach, Fla., without her son.

Elizabeth Johnson was arrested in Florida on a custodial interference warrant and is awaiting extradition. She invoked her right to a lawyer and has not given detectives any information on her son's whereabouts, said Sgt. Steve Carbajal, a Tempe police spokesman.

Johnson made threats to the boy's father that she might hurt or kill the boy, and later made threats to sell him or give the child up for adoption, Carbajal said.

The drama began Dec. 27, when the boy's father, Logan McQueary, 25, told police Johnson threatened to hurt the boy. Police then began searching for the mother and son for a welfare check, since the mother still had joint custody.

The next day, Johnson didn't show up for a scheduled custody hearing the next day in Maricopa County Superior Court, and the father was automatically given custody. A nationwide warrant was immediately issued for Johnson.

Police chased her to San Antonio, where they learned she was with the child on Dec. 26. That's the last time police know the child was alive and well.

Johnson was scheduled to check out of a hotel in the area the next day, but didn't formally do so. Police caught up to her four days later in Miami Beach, where local police were able to find her and arrest her.

The child was not with her and she was no longer driving the same vehicle she had in San Antonio. Police are not sure how she got to Miami Beach and said she did not have family in the area.

Five days later, on Monday, police still have no leads.

"We have a big gap between San Antonio and Miami Beach," said Carbajal.

http://www.azcentral.com/community/tempe/articles/2010/01/04/20100104tr-missingbaby0106.html


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 04, 2010, 05:08:26 PM
Still hoping for a good outcome for baby Gabriel.   ::MonkeyAngel::

I am hoping along with you but not looking good with Mom not saying a word.  She seems to be a cross between Casey and Josh Powell (her booking pic has a blue hoodie  ::MonkeyEek::) 


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: no rose colored glasses on January 04, 2010, 05:14:07 PM
The FBI is now  searching for missing 8-month-old Gabriel Johnson.

His mother, Elizabeth Johnson, 23, was caught Wednesday in Miami after spending Christmas in San Antonio.

According to police, Johnson left Arizona with her son, but, she does not have custodial rights to him.

In the past, Johnson made threats to harm the baby. She lost custodial rights on December 28, 2009, when she failed to appear at a custody hearing .

So far, there have been no signs of  Baby Gabriel since December 26. He was not with Johnson when she was arrested, and she refuses to say what she did with him.

Johnson, who has a criminal record that does not include violence, will not cooperate with investigators,  and neither will her family members, even though Johnson was facing a loss of custody. Her desperate moves have baffled authorities.

Officers have not found Johnson's car, a white 1995 Oldsmobile Delta-88 with Arizona plates AGZ4214.

Anyone who has information regarding the whereabouts of little Gabriel Johnson is asked to contact the FBI Hotline at 210-225-6741.   ::MonkeyEek:: Interesting that her family members aren't being cooperative either. Has anyone else read anywhere that Tammifaye is Elizabeth's aunt  ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 04, 2010, 05:28:23 PM
The FBI is now  searching for missing 8-month-old Gabriel Johnson.

His mother, Elizabeth Johnson, 23, was caught Wednesday in Miami after spending Christmas in San Antonio.

According to police, Johnson left Arizona with her son, but, she does not have custodial rights to him.

In the past, Johnson made threats to harm the baby. She lost custodial rights on December 28, 2009, when she failed to appear at a custody hearing .

So far, there have been no signs of  Baby Gabriel since December 26. He was not with Johnson when she was arrested, and she refuses to say what she did with him.

Johnson, who has a criminal record that does not include violence, will not cooperate with investigators,  and neither will her family members, even though Johnson was facing a loss of custody. Her desperate moves have baffled authorities.

Officers have not found Johnson's car, a white 1995 Oldsmobile Delta-88 with Arizona plates AGZ4214.

Anyone who has information regarding the whereabouts of little Gabriel Johnson is asked to contact the FBI Hotline at 210-225-6741.   ::MonkeyEek:: Interesting that her family members aren't being cooperative either. Has anyone else read anywhere that Tammifaye is Elizabeth's aunt  ::MonkeyEek::

I have not seen that yet and Tammifay did not mention that during her interview with Fox.  She only mentioned that she was the mother who was going to adopt Gabriel.  Now if she is the Aunt it would make sense that her MS profile shows she is in Arizona and not San Antonio TX.  That raises the question as to why Elizabeth was in TX in the first place?  Was this all planned out prior?


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: no rose colored glasses on January 04, 2010, 05:41:09 PM
I saw reference about Tammifaye being Elizabeth's aunt, but nothing to back it up, so I don't know if this is rumor or fact. But I think Tammifaye is not telling everything she knows. I think this may have been planned out.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: no rose colored glasses on January 04, 2010, 05:45:10 PM
http://www.eastvalleytribune.com/story/149100   ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: no rose colored glasses on January 04, 2010, 06:24:11 PM
In the July incident, McQueary told police she tore a part a baby crib, took a knife and cut up baby clothes, McQueary’s clothes, the couch and smashed windows of the apartment and a television set. In another incident, Johnson later hid Gabriel but accused McQueary of taking him, according to a request for custody of the child McQueary filed with the Maricopa County Superior Court on Dec. 14. The baby was found hours later at the home of one of Johnson’s friends after police conducted a search for him.

In the document McQueary wrote, “She has said several times in the past she doesn’t want the baby, has yelled and screamed at him when I would go to work, I would put him in his room, and when I would come back five hours later, he would still be in the room with no changed diaper and crying. I would ask her (Johnson) what she was doing, and she would just yell at me and say ‘shut that thing up.’”  ::MonkeyEek::  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: MuffyBee on January 04, 2010, 06:26:30 PM
In the July incident, McQueary told police she tore a part a baby crib, took a knife and cut up baby clothes, McQueary’s clothes, the couch and smashed windows of the apartment and a television set. In another incident, Johnson later hid Gabriel but accused McQueary of taking him, according to a request for custody of the child McQueary filed with the Maricopa County Superior Court on Dec. 14. The baby was found hours later at the home of one of Johnson’s friends after police conducted a search for him.

In the document McQueary wrote, “She has said several times in the past she doesn’t want the baby, has yelled and screamed at him when I would go to work, I would put him in his room, and when I would come back five hours later, he would still be in the room with no changed diaper and crying. I would ask her (Johnson) what she was doing, and she would just yell at me and say ‘shut that thing up.’”  ::MonkeyEek::  ::MonkeyNoNo::

 ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: trimmonthelake on January 04, 2010, 07:50:14 PM
http://www.examiner.com/x-1168-Crime-Examiner~y2010m1d4-Gabriel-Johnson-update-Mother-told-babys-father-she-killed-8monthold-boy
Gabriel Johnson update: Mother told baby’s father she killed 8-month-old boy
January 4, 6:52 PMCrime ExaminerCindy Adams

According to a Maricopa County Superior Court document, the mother of missing 8-month-old Arizona boy, Gabriel Johnson, told his biological father using her cell phone and text messages that she killed their son.

Gabriel was last seen with his mother, Elizabeth Johnson, on Dec. 26. The 23-year-old took him from Tempe, Ariz. and is believed to have been in San Antonio, Tex. from Dec. 22 to Dec. 27. Last week, Johnson was arrested in Miami Beach, however, Gabriel was not with her and his whereabouts are still unknown.

Johnson lost custody of Gabriel on Dec. 28 when she failed to show up to a custody hearing in Arizona.

The East Valley Tribune reports that using her cell phone and texting, Johnson told her boyfriend, Logan Scott McQueary, who is the boy’s father, that she had murdered Gabriel, according to court documents.
She relayed to McQueary that Gabriel was “dead and blue colored” and that she put him in a bag and dropped him in dumpster. She told her boyfriend she was leaving the country and would tell him where the body was when she was gone, according to the document.

Police have also received information that Johnson had tried to get rid of Gabriel by selling him or giving him away. Tempe Police Sgt. Steven Carbajal said “...we are receiving conflicting information. We’re also hearing that she was trying to sell or give the baby up for adoption. We don’t know, yet. She’s not helping us resolve that issue.”

McQueary had previously filed an order of protection against Johnson after she “tore a part a baby crib, took a knife and cut up baby clothes, McQueary’s clothes, the couch and smashed windows of the apartment and a television set,” according to the documents. The order was subsequently dismissed when he tried to work things out with Johnson.

In a request for custody of Gabriel, filed by McQueary on Dec. 14, he noted that in another incident, Johnson hid the boy and accused McQueary of taking him. Hours later police discovered Gabriel at the home of one of Johnson’s friends.

According to the East Valley Tribune, in the document McQueary also writes “She [Johnson] has said several times in the past she doesn’t want the baby, has yelled and screamed at him when I would go to work, I would put him in his room, and when I would come back five hours later, he would still be in the room with no changed diaper and crying. I would ask her what she was doing, and she would just yell at me and say ‘shut that thing up.’”
Police believe Johnson was driving a white 1995 Oldsmobile Delta-88 with Arizona license plate AGZ4214. She is currently being extradited from Florida to Tempe, Ariz.

Anyone with information regarding Gabriel or his whereabouts is urged to call Tempe Police at 480-350-8311 or Silent Witness at 480-948-6377.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: trimmonthelake on January 04, 2010, 08:06:05 PM
http://www.abc15.com/content/news/southeastvalley/tempe/story/Tempe-PD-Mother-in-custody-baby-still-missing/xgsbK2cK80iD5ZWBC0ifjg.cspx
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Tempe PD: Mother in custody, baby still missing after 9 days
   Reported by: MaryEllen Resendez
Email: mresendez@abc15.com
Reported by: Katie Fisher
Last Update: 6:00 pm
TEMPE, AZ -- The father of a Tempe infant missing for more than a week says he still believes his son is alive, despite threats from the boy's mother.

Tempe police spokesperson Molly Enright said the boy's 23-year-old mother, Elizabeth Johnson, was being sought in connection with a custodial interference case, and was located in Florida last week.

Tempe police Sgt. Steve Carbajal said Johnson left Arizona with her 8-month-old son Gabriel on December 18.

"Everybody knew where she was and that was OK," Carbajal said. "She just wanted to get away for a while and then these series of events happened where it was a concern for the father that she would not show up for a hearing. His fears were confirmed."

Gabriel's father, Logan McQueary, was awarded sole custody of the infant when Elizabeth did not show up in court on December 28.

According to officials, McQueary earlier reported that he had received threats from Johnson.

In a press conference Monday, McQueary said he received several text messages from Gabriel's mother saying she had killed the child.

But McQueary says he believes Gabriel is still alive, considering he and Johnson were last seen at a park near Six Flags in San Antonio, Texas on December 26 -- after McQueary received the threatening messages.
 
On December 29th, Johnson was found and arrested at a Youth Hostel in Miami Beach, Florida.
Gabriel was not with her and detectives said she refuses to tell them where he is.

"She was confronted, arrested and interviewed exhaustively about the whereabouts of the child," said Wayne Jones, with Miami Beach Police.

"All we know at this point is Gabriel can be anywhere between San Antonio and Miami Beach," Tempe police say.

Carbajal confirmed Johnson has reportedly made threats to harm Gabriel, but says there is no evidence yet that the threats were carried out.
 
"Is she saying these things to hurt the father or would she actually hurt her own baby?" he said. "We don't know yet. We're hoping the baby is in good condition and will be returned safely."

Police are still looking for the vehicle Johnson was driving -- a white 1995 Oldsmobile Delta-88, with Arizona license plate AGZ4214.

Anyone with information as to the whereabouts of Gabriel Johnson is urged to contact the Tempe Police Department at 480-350-8311 or Silent Witness at 480-WITNESS (480-948-6377).

Video at link.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: trimmonthelake on January 04, 2010, 08:07:55 PM
http://www.eastvalleytribune.com/story/149100
Court: Mom says she killed her missing baby
Comments 2 | Recommend 0

Mike Sakal, Tribune

January 4, 2010 - 3:24PM , updated: January 4, 2010 - 3:44PM


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 04, 2010, 10:17:54 PM
Child Protective Services also has an open case against Johnson, investigating her for neglect of the child, according to the court document.

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I undersstand the father having to work, but why was she left unsupervised with Gabriel?



Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 04, 2010, 10:20:21 PM
Search continues for missing boy

A recently arrested mother of a missing Arizona boy continued to refuse to speak with authorities Monday about her son who was last seen in San Antonio about a week ago, federal authorities said.

The mystery surrounding the disappearance of Gabriel Johnson, 8 months old, has garnered national headlines with authorities in three different states trying to piece together the movements of the boy's mother, Elizabeth Johnson, after she left Arizona with him on Dec. 18. Officials also are looking for Johnson's white, 1995 Oldsmobile Delta 88 with Arizona license plate AGZ4214.

“There's nothing new as far as locating Gabriel or (Johnson's) vehicle,” said Erik Vasys, an FBI spokesman. “She's still not cooperating.”

What authorities do know is that Johnson, 23, was in San Antonio from Dec. 20-27 and spent her time in two different hotels — HomeGate Studios and Suites on San Pedro Avenue and the Quality Inn and Suites Fiesta Park on Interstate 10.

The boy was last seen Dec. 26, authorities said, and Johnson left the city the next day.

After San Antonio, Johnson traveled to Miami Beach, Fla., where she was arrested on Dec. 30 on a felony custodial interference warrant.

The warrant was issued after Johnson failed to appear at a custody hearing in Maricopa County, Ariz., on Dec. 28. At the hearing, her custodial rights were revoked and full custody was given to Gabriel's father, Logan McQueary, 25.

McQueary filed the petition for custody on Dec. 11, according to online records with the Maricopa County Superior Court.

And while McQueary was aware Johnson was out of town with Gabriel, his concern for his son's safety began when he received threats against the boy from Johnson, according to Tempe Police Sgt. Steve Carbajal.

In court documents, McQueary claimed Johnson told him via text and phone calls that the baby was dead, according to an online story in the East Valley Tribune, in Mesa, Ariz.

However, Carbajal said authorities are getting conflicting information.

“She did make threats to harm the child, but we're balancing that with information that she might try to give up the child or give the child up for adoption,” Carbajal said.

The East Valley Tribune also reported McQueary claimed Johnson was violent before and that Child Protective Services has an open case against Johnson to investigate alleged neglect.

Attempts to reach McQueary were not successful.

On his MySpace page, however, McQueary left a message for his son.

“Love ya gab we'll find you buddy.”

http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/80670312.html


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 04, 2010, 11:29:05 PM
Police continue to search for missing baby; two different stories emerge
by Amanda Stanzilis, KENS 5

Posted on January 4, 2010 at 10:11 PM

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It's turning into a case of he said, she said. But in the end, a baby is missing that police say could be anywhere from San Antonio to  Miami Beach, Florida.

Police say 23 year old Elizabeth Johnson left Tempe, Arizona on December 19th with her son Gabriel. Gabriel was last seen alive the day after Christmas at Six Flags Fiesta Texas in San Antonio.

Gabriel's father, Logan McQueary, says the day Elizabeth left she told him, "There's no way in hell you're ever seeing your son again."

McQueary says soon after Gabriel was born, they had discussed giving him up for adoption. But he thought the conversation had been dropped. He says, "Then all of a sudden, it was a big surprise to me. She wanted me to sign adoption papers, and I said no."

A family with the last name of Smith has come forward claiming Elizabeth had already contacted them about adopting Gabriel. They said they agreed. They've even shown the paperwork that they signed along with Elizabeth. But McQueary refused to sign, and soon after was when Elizabeth took off.

The Smith family has come forward claiming Elizabeth was afraid of McQueary. The Smiths claim that McQueary was the one who threatened to hurt Elizabeth and Gabriel. They also claim that Elizabeth is willing to go to jail in order to protect her son.

McQueary believes the Smiths are in on the kidnapping plot. He says he also believes his baby is still alive.

Anyone in San Antonio with any information is asked to call the local FBI hotline at 225-6741.

http://www.kens5.com/news/Police-continue-to-search-for-missing-baby-two-different-stories-emerge-80675672.html


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 04, 2010, 11:54:32 PM
Tammifay who did the fox interview that she was the intended adoptive Mom has  her myspace under Tammi Peters Smith

http://www.myspace.com/tammifay

A message she left on a frieds Myspace. 
http://www.myspace.com/bodaciousbridgett

Tammifay's business

Healing Water's Health and Wellness Clinic
Colon Hydro Thereapy is for Everyone!

www.healingwatersaz.com/

Myspace
http://www.myspace.com/healingwaterscolonics


I really think the redheaded girl in the pictures with Gabriel is Tammifay's if you look at this:

Aug. 4, 2008 at 7:48 PM

Who am I...... 
by tammifay Hi, my name is Tammi Fay Peters Smith. I'm from Phoenix, AZ.   I got married at 16 years of age to escape a horrific childhood.  On my journey into adulthood I found myself...
gave birth 2-3, 3-step and 1 adopted! 
Location: Glendale, AZ. 
Current Mood: Caring 
Thought Bubble: "Live your life as if it is your last day here o..."

I'm a happily married mother of 3,3 and 1 adopted. Wanting to adopt one more!  I love and honor God first and foremost.  I volunteer in Africa, and I am a Naturopathic Practitioner specializing in Gastrointestinal disorders.  I'm here to help if you need me!

 
http://www.cafemom.com/home/tammifay



Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 04, 2010, 11:59:34 PM
Video of Elizabeth's court appearance as well as a clip of Gabriel's father Logan at the press conference.  She clearly has an attitude when walking into court.

http://www.azfamily.com/news/local/Father-of-missing-baby-reveals-his-side-of-story-in-hopes-of-finding-son-80676437.html


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 05, 2010, 12:15:59 AM
Tammyfay Smith is saying she met Elizabeth in an airport.

She says she met them 8 months ago (If true Gabriel would have been weeks if not days old)

Last month Elizabeth called Tammifay and signed over temporary guardianship of Gabriel to Tammifay and Gabriel moved in with the Smith's (explains the pictures of Gabriel with the redhead girl who is identified in the video)

Dec 18 Elizabeth shows up and said she was taking Gabriel to see his father but she went to San Antonio instead.

If what Tammifay is saying is true she is not the Aunt as some rumours are claiming.  She sure put a lot of faith that Elizabeth was telling her the truth.  Think she figured it our when Elizabeth said she was taking Gabriel to see Logan and ended up in TX?

Is it legal that temp custody be given to a 3rd party without the father signing?


Family with temporary custody of missing child speaks to 3TV
TEMPE - A kidnapper or a desperate mom? It all depends on who you ask. The Smith family was hoping to adopt 8-month-old Gabrielle and are optimistic his mom was just doing what she thought best for the boy.

Kristine Harrington spoke with the Smith family about the situation and the missing boy.

And also Gabriel's biological* father is speaking publicly and pleading for his son's safe return.

If you have any information about this case, please call police or Silent Witness at 480-WIT-NESS.

http://www.azfamily.com/news/local/Family-with-temporary-custody-80661277.html



Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 05, 2010, 12:23:17 AM
So Tammifay is a professional enima giver
she met a girl in a airport and the  conversation goes to adoption immediately
Tammifay talks some serious smack about Gabriel's dad Logan

 ::MonkeyEek::  ::MonkeyNoNo::  ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Sea Searcher on January 05, 2010, 05:12:07 AM
Child Protective Services also has an open case against Johnson, investigating her for neglect of the child, according to the court document.

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I undersstand the father having to work, but why was she left unsupervised with Gabriel?



That was my first thought...right after OMG ,I can't believe another missing child....but in his defence (IMO totally and I have no clue to the fathers situation but speaking from experience) When I was going through one of my separations, I did everything I could to allow only supervised visitation as I was very concerned for my sons welfare and with her skipping town with him...the best I could get was to control the amount of time spent, and the restriction of certain locations that he could be taken...but if my son was more than 10 min late, I'd be on the phone to my lawyer...who then calmed me down and told me to hang on for an hour or so...LOL....I also had an advantage over most men in that I work at home.
The courts will not do anything until a gross negligence can be PROVED which is very hard to do for a father, and even then it's an uphill battle the whole way... ...IMO again, this is one of the biggest reasons for so many children being harmed...the police/courts can do nothing until something actually happens, and often times it's too late by then..

Oh...and Good Morning Monkeys !!! (http://i480.photobucket.com/albums/rr165/Sea_Searcher/Coffee/ss-coffee.gif) (http://i480.photobucket.com/albums/rr165/Sea_Searcher/Coffee/ss-coffee.gif) (http://i480.photobucket.com/albums/rr165/Sea_Searcher/Coffee/ss-coffee.gif)


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Sea Searcher on January 05, 2010, 05:19:41 AM
Tammyfay Smith is saying she met Elizabeth in an airport.

She says she met them 8 months ago (If true Gabriel would have been weeks if not days old)

Last month Elizabeth called Tammifay and signed over temporary guardianship of Gabriel to Tammifay and Gabriel moved in with the Smith's (explains the pictures of Gabriel with the redhead girl who is identified in the video)

Dec 18 Elizabeth shows up and said she was taking Gabriel to see his father but she went to San Antonio instead.

If what Tammifay is saying is true she is not the Aunt as some rumours are claiming.  She sure put a lot of faith that Elizabeth was telling her the truth.  Think she figured it our when Elizabeth said she was taking Gabriel to see Logan and ended up in TX?

Is it legal that temp custody be given to a 3rd party without the father signing?


Family with temporary custody of missing child speaks to 3TV
TEMPE - A kidnapper or a desperate mom? It all depends on who you ask. The Smith family was hoping to adopt 8-month-old Gabrielle and are optimistic his mom was just doing what she thought best for the boy.

Kristine Harrington spoke with the Smith family about the situation and the missing boy.

And also Gabriel's biological* father is speaking publicly and pleading for his son's safe return.

If you have any information about this case, please call police or Silent Witness at 480-WIT-NESS.

http://www.azfamily.com/news/local/Family-with-temporary-custody-80661277.html



I'm still trying to catch up...have we seen a birth certificate and is the fathers name on it ??


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Sea Searcher on January 05, 2010, 05:43:55 AM
In the "comments" last night ::MonkeyEek::

   
hgrace wrote:
I know her and she loves that baby!She went to parenting classes,she took him to all his Dr.appointments and got all his shots and WIC. She just couldn't do it all by herself anymore and she had nobody to help her! They both wanted to put the baby up for adoption many times. Yes her and the dad got in a huge fight and she broke a window and the baby was in daycare. She's not the one with a huge criminal record. Actually she has none. Unless however if she has hurt this child, but i know her and she didn't and wouldn't hurt him. I believe she did say that to get back at him though....She does have a temper with the dad. Also, he did know about the potential adoptive parents since the evening of day one. It was never a secret and he never went over there to visit the baby, but the police did that night just to make sure she was telling the truth and he was safe and sound

http://www.eastvalleytribune.com/story/149100


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: trimmonthelake on January 05, 2010, 08:29:47 AM
Child Protective Services also has an open case against Johnson, investigating her for neglect of the child, according to the court document.

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I undersstand the father having to work, but why was she left unsupervised with Gabriel?



That was my first thought...right after OMG ,I can't believe another missing child....but in his defence (IMO totally and I have no clue to the fathers situation but speaking from experience) When I was going through one of my separations, I did everything I could to allow only supervised visitation as I was very concerned for my sons welfare and with her skipping town with him...the best I could get was to control the amount of time spent, and the restriction of certain locations that he could be taken...but if my son was more than 10 min late, I'd be on the phone to my lawyer...who then calmed me down and told me to hang on for an hour or so...LOL....I also had an advantage over most men in that I work at home.
The courts will not do anything until a gross negligence can be PROVED which is very hard to do for a father, and even then it's an uphill battle the whole way... ...IMO again, this is one of the biggest reasons for so many children being harmed...the police/courts can do nothing until something actually happens, and often times it's too late by then..

Oh...and Good Morning Monkeys !!! (http://i480.photobucket.com/albums/rr165/Sea_Searcher/Coffee/ss-coffee.gif) (http://i480.photobucket.com/albums/rr165/Sea_Searcher/Coffee/ss-coffee.gif) (http://i480.photobucket.com/albums/rr165/Sea_Searcher/Coffee/ss-coffee.gif)

Hey Sea!You are a good Daddy.   ::MonkeyAngel::
You speak the truth about the police and courts.Experienced it first hand.I don't know if things will ever change.   ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: trimmonthelake on January 05, 2010, 08:32:04 AM
http://www.kpho.com/news/22125969/detail.html
Couple May Get News On Missing Child
Couple Tried To Adopt 8-Month-Old Gabriel Johnson
Pat McReynolds
Reporter, KPHO.com

POSTED: 10:22 pm MST January 4, 2010
UPDATED: 5:07 am MST January 5, 2010
Tempe, Ariz. -- Tammi and Jack Smith say they were looking out for the best interest of Gabriel Johnson when they started spending time with him and his mother, Elizabeth Johnson, nearly a month ago.

"We had a complete bond with him," said Tammi Peter-Smith.

The Smiths told CBS5 they are confident little Gabriel is alive. They were in contact with Elizabeth Johnson up until she was arrested, and they could hear Gabriel through the phone in the background.

"I heard the baby babble... I heard the baby cry, " Smith said.
They even received text messaged disputing the threats Elizabeth made about hurting Gabriel.

"Immediately after she sent him the text that said she killed the baby, she sent us a text saying that she did that to get back at the father and that the baby was fine," said Jack Smith.

Authorities say Johnson, who failed to appear for a custodial hearing last week in a Maricopa County court, was arrested Dec. 30 in Miami Beach on suspicion of custodial interference.

The Smiths spent significant time getting to know Gabriel and have several pictures with the boy in their home, playing with their own four-year-old daughter.

They say they didn't involve the father, Logan McQueary in the adoption procedures because Elizabeth Johnson told them he was abusive.
As soon as she got away from Logan and we had the baby, and he was not a part of her life, all of the sudden she had a bright cheery attitude about herself," said Tammi Smith.

But at an emotional press conference Monday, McQueary told CBS5 that after Gabriel disappeared, the Smiths tried to strong-arm him into giving up his child.

"When Gabriel disappeared, they said to me basically if you really care about your son and you want him back and you want Elizabeth to bring him back, than you'll sign the paperwork and she'll bring him back," said Logan McQueary.

The Smiths said they were only passing along the messages they were getting from Elizabeth. They also say they are cooperating fully with the investigation and no longer believe the adoption is possible.

"Now the father is so deeply into this that his ego would never allow him to sign papers," said Smith

But they still may have a role to play. The Smiths believe Elizabeth Johnson will tell them Gabriel's location Tuesday.

"She wants to talk to me tomorrow at 2 o'clock to see if I will help her with attorneys to gain custody of Gabriel. If she hurt the baby, I don't think she would be trying to get custody," Tammi Smith said.

If you have any information that could help investigators in this case. You are asked to call Silent Witness at 1-480-WITNESS.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: trimmonthelake on January 05, 2010, 08:36:50 AM
http://www.kswt.com/Global/story.asp?S=11769281
Father of missing Ariz. 8-month-old speaks out

Associated Press - January 5, 2010 6:34 AM ET

PHOENIX (AP) - The father of a missing 8-month-old boy says he received a text message from the baby's mother, telling him she killed their son.

At a news conference at a Tempe police substation Monday, Logan McQueary said his ex-girlfriend, 23-year-old Elizabeth Johnson, approached him about giving up his parental rights to their son, Gabriel, saying another couple wanted to adopt him. McQueary refused Johnson's request.

Authorities say Johnson, who failed to appear for a custodial hearing last week in a Maricopa County court, was arrested Dec. 30 in Miami Beach on suspicion of custodial interference.

Tempe police Sgt. Steve Carbajal said authorities don't know yet if Johnson's alleged text message was sent to McQueary to hurt him, or if the child has actually been harmed.

McQueary says he has "a feeling" his son is still alive.

Copyright 2009 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: no rose colored glasses on January 05, 2010, 09:35:16 AM
So Tammifay is a professional enima giver
she met a girl in a airport and the  conversation goes to adoption immediately
Tammifay talks some serious smack about Gabriel's dad Logan

 ::MonkeyEek::  ::MonkeyNoNo::  ::MonkeyEek::
WTH  ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: no rose colored glasses on January 05, 2010, 09:39:25 AM
So Elizabeth's parents are interfering in things they should not be.  ::MonkeyNoNo:: The Smiths spent significant time getting to know Gabriel and have several pictures with the boy in their home, playing with their own four-year-old daughter.

They say they didn't involve the father, Logan McQueary in the adoption procedures because Elizabeth Johnson told them he was abusive.
As soon as she got away from Logan and we had the baby, and he was not a part of her life, all of the sudden she had a bright cheery attitude about herself," said Tammi Smith.

But at an emotional press conference Monday, McQueary told CBS5 that after Gabriel disappeared, the Smiths tried to strong-arm him into giving up his child.

"When Gabriel disappeared, they said to me basically if you really care about your son and you want him back and you want Elizabeth to bring him back, than you'll sign the paperwork and she'll bring him back," said Logan McQueary.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 05, 2010, 12:26:51 PM
Tammyfay Smith is saying she met Elizabeth in an airport.

She says she met them 8 months ago (If true Gabriel would have been weeks if not days old)

Last month Elizabeth called Tammifay and signed over temporary guardianship of Gabriel to Tammifay and Gabriel moved in with the Smith's (explains the pictures of Gabriel with the redhead girl who is identified in the video)

Dec 18 Elizabeth shows up and said she was taking Gabriel to see his father but she went to San Antonio instead.

If what Tammifay is saying is true she is not the Aunt as some rumours are claiming.  She sure put a lot of faith that Elizabeth was telling her the truth.  Think she figured it our when Elizabeth said she was taking Gabriel to see Logan and ended up in TX?

Is it legal that temp custody be given to a 3rd party without the father signing?


Family with temporary custody of missing child speaks to 3TV
TEMPE - A kidnapper or a desperate mom? It all depends on who you ask. The Smith family was hoping to adopt 8-month-old Gabrielle and are optimistic his mom was just doing what she thought best for the boy.

Kristine Harrington spoke with the Smith family about the situation and the missing boy.

And also Gabriel's biological* father is speaking publicly and pleading for his son's safe return.

If you have any information about this case, please call police or Silent Witness at 480-WIT-NESS.

http://www.azfamily.com/news/local/Family-with-temporary-custody-80661277.html



I'm still trying to catch up...have we seen a birth certificate and is the fathers name on it ??

We have not.  The father was going for custody and when Elizabeth failed to show up for the custody hearing on Dec 28 Logan was granted sole custody.  I would assume for this to happen Logan would have to have already proven he was Gabriel's father. Also, the Smith's who claim were to adopt Gabriel served Logan with adoption papers to sign which he refused. I would also assume there has to be proof that Logan is the father for this to happen. 


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 05, 2010, 12:31:29 PM
They were in contact with Elizabeth Johnson up until she was arrested, and they could hear Gabriel through the phone in the background.

We need a big BS sign.  Elizabeth was arrested in the youth hostile in Miami Beach and Gabriel was not there.  How could Tammifay have heard Gabriel in the background?  If Gabriel was in the background when Elizabeth was arrested do you think there would be a search for Gabriel right now?   ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 05, 2010, 12:33:07 PM
"When Gabriel disappeared, they said to me basically if you really care about your son and you want him back and you want Elizabeth to bring him back, than you'll sign the paperwork and she'll bring him back," said Logan McQueary.


Wow...just wow.  Sounds like the Smith's were threatening a father to give up his son.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 05, 2010, 12:37:43 PM
So Elizabeth's parents are interfering in things they should not be.  ::MonkeyNoNo:: The Smiths spent significant time getting to know Gabriel and have several pictures with the boy in their home, playing with their own four-year-old daughter.

They say they didn't involve the father, Logan McQueary in the adoption procedures because Elizabeth Johnson told them he was abusive.
As soon as she got away from Logan and we had the baby, and he was not a part of her life, all of the sudden she had a bright cheery attitude about herself," said Tammi Smith.

But at an emotional press conference Monday, McQueary told CBS5 that after Gabriel disappeared, the Smiths tried to strong-arm him into giving up his child.

"When Gabriel disappeared, they said to me basically if you really care about your son and you want him back and you want Elizabeth to bring him back, than you'll sign the paperwork and she'll bring him back," said Logan McQueary.

I do not think the Smith's are Elizabeths parents.  I have no idea how they know Elizabeth but the story that they met in an airport and had arranged to adopt Gabriel from that meeting stinks bad.  The red headed girl in the pictures is the Smith's grand daughter that they have custody of from one of Tammifay's stepdaughters.  She wrote about it on her cafemom blog I posted a link on last night,


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: no rose colored glasses on January 05, 2010, 12:38:51 PM
"When Gabriel disappeared, they said to me basically if you really care about your son and you want him back and you want Elizabeth to bring him back, than you'll sign the paperwork and she'll bring him back," said Logan McQueary.


Wow...just wow.  Sounds like the Smith's were threatening a father to give up his son.
Thank-you Northern, that was cleared up for me, I didn't read the one article correctly, and I though it was Elizabeth's parents threatening Logan. Now to me this is even worse, WTH.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 05, 2010, 12:39:51 PM
Watch her body language during her court appearance and her eyes. 

Woman accused of kidnapping extradited

MIAMI (WSVN) -- An Arizona woman arrested in Miami Beach on suspicion of kidnapping her own son will be extradicted back to Arizona.

Authorities took Elizabeth Johnson into custody after they received a tip that she was staying at a local Miami hostel.

The father of the child says he's glad Johnson was caught but is desperate to find his 8-moth-old son, Gabriel Johnson. "I love you. I hope you come home safe," said Logan McQueary during a press conference.

Police said the mother has yet to reveal her son's whereabouts to authorities.

McQueary said Johnson was pushing him to sign adoption papers, granting another couple custody of the little boy.

http://www.wsvn.com/news/articles/local/MI140260/


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: no rose colored glasses on January 05, 2010, 12:39:53 PM
So Elizabeth's parents are interfering in things they should not be.  ::MonkeyNoNo:: The Smiths spent significant time getting to know Gabriel and have several pictures with the boy in their home, playing with their own four-year-old daughter.

They say they didn't involve the father, Logan McQueary in the adoption procedures because Elizabeth Johnson told them he was abusive.
As soon as she got away from Logan and we had the baby, and he was not a part of her life, all of the sudden she had a bright cheery attitude about herself," said Tammi Smith.

But at an emotional press conference Monday, McQueary told CBS5 that after Gabriel disappeared, the Smiths tried to strong-arm him into giving up his child.

"When Gabriel disappeared, they said to me basically if you really care about your son and you want him back and you want Elizabeth to bring him back, than you'll sign the paperwork and she'll bring him back," said Logan McQueary.

I do not think the Smith's are Elizabeths parents.  I have no idea how they know Elizabeth but the story that they met in an airport and had arranged to adopt Gabriel from that meeting stinks bad.  The red headed girl in the pictures is the Smith's grand daughter that they have custody of from one of Tammifay's stepdaughters.  She wrote about it on her cafemom blog I posted a link on last night,
Thank-you, I sure did have that all messed up  ::MonkeyNoNo:: Lot more to this story  ::MonkeyShocked::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 05, 2010, 12:43:44 PM
They say they didn't involve the father, Logan McQueary in the adoption procedures because Elizabeth Johnson told them he was abusive.

These people are something else.  I hope LE can arrest them on baby trafficking or just plain stupidity or something.  Maybe they need to get the services of their own business as they sound constipated IMO  ::MonkeyDevil2::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 05, 2010, 12:46:26 PM
So Elizabeth's parents are interfering in things they should not be.  ::MonkeyNoNo:: The Smiths spent significant time getting to know Gabriel and have several pictures with the boy in their home, playing with their own four-year-old daughter.

They say they didn't involve the father, Logan McQueary in the adoption procedures because Elizabeth Johnson told them he was abusive.
As soon as she got away from Logan and we had the baby, and he was not a part of her life, all of the sudden she had a bright cheery attitude about herself," said Tammi Smith.

But at an emotional press conference Monday, McQueary told CBS5 that after Gabriel disappeared, the Smiths tried to strong-arm him into giving up his child.

"When Gabriel disappeared, they said to me basically if you really care about your son and you want him back and you want Elizabeth to bring him back, than you'll sign the paperwork and she'll bring him back," said Logan McQueary.

I do not think the Smith's are Elizabeths parents.  I have no idea how they know Elizabeth but the story that they met in an airport and had arranged to adopt Gabriel from that meeting stinks bad.  The red headed girl in the pictures is the Smith's grand daughter that they have custody of from one of Tammifay's stepdaughters.  She wrote about it on her cafemom blog I posted a link on last night,
Thank-you, I sure did have that all messed up  ::MonkeyNoNo:: Lot more to this story  ::MonkeyShocked::

The Smith's are all over the place and from the pictures that are out there of Gabriel the Smith's provided them.  Wondering if they sold them?  This is smacking of a Anthony clone with different faces on the players.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 05, 2010, 12:48:15 PM
Kidnapping Suspect to be Extradited to Arizona; Tells Father She Killed His Son

A Tempe woman, who was denied parental custody rights last week and then drove her 8-month-old son to Florida, has been caught and will be brought back to Arizona. The baby, however, has not been found and the mother isn't talking.

Elizabeth Johnson, 23, was denied custody of her son, Gabrielle, on December 28 after she skipped a custody hearing. Johnson, police say, had left Arizona on December 18 and went to San Antonio, where she tried to give the child up for adoption.

Police say Johnson has threatened to harm the baby in the past and while on the run, she sent text messages to the child's father, Logan McQueary, saying she had killed the baby and that "there was no way in hell you're ever going to see your son again."

Johnson, who was arrested in Miami Beach, Florida, on December 30, is now refusing to tell authorities where the baby is.

Arizona authorities will have 15 days to pick Johnson up in Florida and are searching for the car the woman was last seen driving, with the hopes of finding clues as to where the baby might be.

The car is described as a White 1995 Oldsmobile Delta-88, with Arizona license plate AGZ4214.

Anyone with information should call Tempe police at 480-350-8311.

http://blogs.phoenixnewtimes.com/valleyfever/2010/01/kidnapping_suspect_extradited.php


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 05, 2010, 12:55:28 PM
tammifay's Journal

Hi, my name is Tammi Fay Peters Smith. I'm from Phoenix, AZ.   I got married at 16 years of age to escape a horrific childhood.  On my journey into adulthood I found myself divorced and re-married by the time I was 18 years old.  I married a man much, much older than me and ended up having 3 wonderful children with him.  It just so happened that because of my childhood abuse, my new husband felt that he could abuse me in the same way that my father did.   No child or woman should ever have to endure that!  He also would leave me home with no money and no car.  I wasn't allowed to leave the house.  If my kids needed to go to the Dr. I had to push them in the stroller.  So, I began to become clinically depressed.  I had what they call Post  Traumatic Stress Disorder.  I tried to leave my husband, but he threatened to never let me see my kids again if I left him.  He said, "who's gonna help you, your druggie mom on welfare?"  So I didn't leave him.  Eventually he got tired of hearing me cry that I wanted to leave so he had a Dr. put me on Prozac!  Over six months time they had me taking tranquilizers, anti depressants, anti psychotics, etc. and he got a free ride with me...didn't have to rape me anymore, I was oblivious to anything, even my kids!  Very sad (for my kids especially) I know.   One day after trying to commit suicide on all those drugs, God reminded me that he was still there and he loved me.   So I figured out a way to wean myself off without him knowing.  That meant I would have to have sex with him willingly without a fight every day.  Eventually I was clear headed enough to realize what he had done to me.  So one morning after he left for work, I took my kids and left him to go back home to Arizona.  After having my kids for a few weeks in Arizona, my mom gave them to him so that we would not have to live with her any longer.  It took me almost a year to find my kids after that.  Long story short, I fought for the rights to see my kids for over 5 years.  Finally, I got joint custody.  But once again, he won!  The judge in Louisiana never made him hand over the kids every time it was my visitation.  It hurt my kids so bad because he would tell them I didn't love them enough to come see them when I would be there waiting every time.  Eventually, I realized that me being in their life was killing them because they were treated horribly for loving me and hugging me.  I finally signed over custody of my kids to him and his new wife.  My kids found me 2 years ago and we are able to talk via Myspace.com, and I visit them about every 3 months.  I since adopted a sweet little girl named Hannah Grace.  I believe she is God's grace to me.  As all I ever wanted since I was a little girl was to have lots of kids to love.  I am so happy to have all 4 kids in my life as well as all my kids in Africa.  I thank God for my journey and I pray that my children will use this as a tool to help others with their lives since they have been through so much with our divorce............If you are interest in the whole detailed story, please add me as a friend and let me know.  I'm still finishing my book!  It's called:  "The Silenced Truth"

http://www.cafemom.com/journals/read/1143907/Who_am_I


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: no rose colored glasses on January 05, 2010, 01:01:38 PM
I better not say what I'm thinking about Tammi Fay Peters Smith right about now  ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 05, 2010, 01:12:14 PM
more...


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: no rose colored glasses on January 05, 2010, 01:15:59 PM
I'm sorry but for a woman with all these problems, and the problems she said she had with custody of her own children, how in the heck can she justify what she is doing with baby Gabriel? What about Gabriel's father that wants him, Tammy Faye?


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 05, 2010, 01:22:37 PM
I'm sorry but for a woman with all these problems, and the problems she said she had with custody of her own children, how in the heck can she justify what she is doing with baby Gabriel? What about Gabriel's father that wants him, Tammy Faye?

In her own words they are not dealing with him as Elizabeth said he was abusive.  Guess she can make up her own reasoning any way she wants but it does not change that she threatened a father to try to force him to sign adoption papers.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: no rose colored glasses on January 05, 2010, 01:25:44 PM
I'm sorry but for a woman with all these problems, and the problems she said she had with custody of her own children, how in the heck can she justify what she is doing with baby Gabriel? What about Gabriel's father that wants him, Tammy Faye?

In her own words they are not dealing with him as Elizabeth said he was abusive.  Guess she can make up her own reasoning any way she wants but it does not change that she threatened a father to try to force him to sign adoption papers.
Exactly  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 05, 2010, 01:32:25 PM
more from ms


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 05, 2010, 01:44:32 PM
Logan said he last saw Gabriel on Dec 8th.  TFS says that she had Gabriel in Dec and he was one of the family, bonded with them. etc.  TFS also said the Elizabeth came to get Gabriel on Dec 18 to take him to see his father and they have not seen Gabriel since.  So 10 days with Gabriel and this woman feels she has the right to say what she has said and do what she has done to force an adoption. 

Bottom line if Tammifay really cares about Gabriel and his well being she would be talking to Elizabeth to help LE find him not going on the interviews to smack talk Logan.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 05, 2010, 01:47:21 PM
New video top right

http://www.abc15.com/content/news/southeastvalley/tempe/story/Tempe-PD-Mother-in-custody-baby-still-missing/xgsbK2cK80iD5ZWBC0ifjg.cspx


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: no rose colored glasses on January 05, 2010, 01:51:48 PM
Logan said he last saw Gabriel on Dec 8th.  TFS says that she had Gabriel in Dec and he was one of the family, bonded with them. etc.  TFS also said the Elizabeth came to get Gabriel on Dec 18 to take him to see his father and they have not seen Gabriel since.  So 10 days with Gabriel and this woman feels she has the right to say what she has said and do what she has done to force an adoption. 

Bottom line if Tammifay really cares about Gabriel and his well being she would be talking to Elizabeth to help LE find him not going on the interviews to smack talk Logan.
I totally agree with you. And this detoxing of the colon that she does, yes, it all sounds good, and I'm sure that it has helped people, I am one that it didn't help, and I have some chose words about that. I'm wondering how much money she had already given to Elizabeth, she had to have some money going all the way to Florida. But then staying in a youth hostel instead of a hotel, she probably didn't have that much money.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: no rose colored glasses on January 05, 2010, 01:54:50 PM
New video top right

http://www.abc15.com/content/news/southeastvalley/tempe/story/Tempe-PD-Mother-in-custody-baby-still-missing/xgsbK2cK80iD5ZWBC0ifjg.cspx
To be blunt, that Tammi Faye isn't right in the head  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: no rose colored glasses on January 05, 2010, 02:18:05 PM
Gotta love the about me on her myspace  ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 05, 2010, 02:21:34 PM
Gotta love the about me on her myspace  ::MonkeyEek::

That was not the screen capture I meant to put up.  LOL although it is her.  I am going for a do over.  The one I was trying to put up pretty much made me get very angry at Tammifay. 


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: klaasend on January 05, 2010, 02:23:27 PM
Gotta love the about me on her myspace  ::MonkeyEek::

That was not the screen capture I meant to put up.  LOL although it is her.  I am going for a do over.  The one I was trying to put up pretty much made me get very angry at Tammifay. 

Did I delete the correct one?


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 05, 2010, 02:26:38 PM
Gotta love the about me on her myspace  ::MonkeyEek::

That was not the screen capture I meant to put up.  LOL although it is her.  I am going for a do over.  The one I was trying to put up pretty much made me get very angry at Tammifay. 

Did I delete the correct one?

Yes thank you    ::MonkeyKiss::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 05, 2010, 02:33:41 PM
Tammifay needs to give herself a colonic and industrial strength enima as she is full of sh@t!

From her facebook dated Dec 23. She knew Elizabeth was on the run.  She was complaining that Logan was not cooperating.  She talks about underground help that Elizabeth had while on the run.  Sounds like she has been baby shopping for a while with "the midnight phone calls where they do not tell you the background".  Is this legal?


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 05, 2010, 02:54:25 PM
Tammifay needs to give herself a colonic and industrial strength enima as she is full of sh@t!

From her facebook dated Dec 23. She knew Elizabeth was on the run.  She was complaining that Logan was not cooperating.  She talks about underground help that Elizabeth had while on the run.  Sounds like she has been baby shopping for a while with "the midnight phone calls where they do not tell you the background".  Is this legal?

The other thing that has me angry right now is Tammifay says 'we are going to be Foster parents".  I was a foster parent for years.  You have to go through a process with full background checks. I am hoping that Tammi is only talking about her looking after Gabriel for 10 days and is using the term Foster Parents to describe it. If she has been approved to be a Foster Parent they may want to reconsider.  When she stated that Logan's "ego" got in the way from him signing the adoption papers I wanted to smack something.  Logan is the father, there is no ego involved FTLOG.  You can not demand someone sign adoption papers  "or they may never see their son again" and then claim it was the bio parents ego that got in the way. This woman may not be a good fit to be a Foster Parent.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 05, 2010, 02:59:07 PM
<snipped>

McQueary says he believes Gabriel is still alive, considering he and Johnson were last seen at a park near Six Flags in San Antonio, Texas on December 26 -- after McQueary received the threatening messages.
 
On December 29th, Johnson was found and arrested at a Youth Hostel in Miami Beach, Florida. 

Gabriel was not with her and detectives said she refuses to tell them where he is.

"She was confronted, arrested and interviewed exhaustively about the whereabouts of the child," said Wayne Jones, with Miami Beach Police.

"All we know at this point is Gabriel can be anywhere between San Antonio and Miami Beach," Tempe police say.
 
Now, another Valley woman is also speaking out, saying Johnson absconded with her son to protect him from his father.

"She's completely innocent," said Tammi Fay Smith, who wanted to adopt Gabriel. "She loves that baby, and just wants to find a good home for that baby. As a mother, I commend her."

McQueary said Johson had been pushing him to sign adoption papers granting Smith custody of Gabriel, and that after the baby dissapeared, Smith approached him with similar requests.

"When Gabriel dissapeared, they said basically, 'if you really care about your son and you want him back, and you want Elizabeth to bring him back, that you'll sign the paperwork and then she'll bring him back to us, and you'll know he's safe,'" said McQueary. "I said, 'no, I'm not signing any paperwork.'"

http://www.abc15.com/content/news/southeastvalley/tempe/story/Tempe-PD-Mother-in-custody-baby-still-missing/xgsbK2cK80iD5ZWBC0ifjg.cspx


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: no rose colored glasses on January 05, 2010, 03:08:12 PM
Tammifay needs to give herself a colonic and industrial strength enima as she is full of sh@t!

From her facebook dated Dec 23. She knew Elizabeth was on the run.  She was complaining that Logan was not cooperating.  She talks about underground help that Elizabeth had while on the run.  Sounds like she has been baby shopping for a while with "the midnight phone calls where they do not tell you the background".  Is this legal?
I don't know much about this topic, but it sure doesn't sound legal to me, especially when you are threatening the father of the child. ::MonkeyNoNo:: Underground help, I bet it was her help, this woman seems as sick as Elizabeth.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 05, 2010, 03:13:29 PM
<snipped>

But they still may have a role to play. The Smiths believe Elizabeth Johnson will tell them Gabriel's location Tuesday.

"She wants to talk to me tomorrow at 2 o'clock to see if I will help her with attorneys to gain custody of Gabriel. If she hurt the baby, I don't think she would be trying to get custody," Tammi Smith said.

http://www.kpho.com/news/22125969/detail.html

Can not wait to hear where Gabriel is after the call.  I just feel that is not going to happen though.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 05, 2010, 03:16:04 PM
Tammifay needs to give herself a colonic and industrial strength enima as she is full of sh@t!

From her facebook dated Dec 23. She knew Elizabeth was on the run.  She was complaining that Logan was not cooperating.  She talks about underground help that Elizabeth had while on the run.  Sounds like she has been baby shopping for a while with "the midnight phone calls where they do not tell you the background".  Is this legal?
I don't know much about this topic, but it sure doesn't sound legal to me, especially when you are threatening the father of the child. ::MonkeyNoNo:: Underground help, I bet it was her help, this woman seems as sick as Elizabeth.

That was posted Dec 23.  She clearly knew Elizabeth was not going to the Dec 28 custody hearing.  Why need "underground help" prior to the custody hearing? Why not call LE then?  Oh wait...she says Elisabeth did nothing wrong! 


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 05, 2010, 03:28:15 PM
Mom's text said missing baby is dead, dad reports (with video)

The father of a missing 8-month-old boy says he received a text message from the child's mother saying she had killed him weeks after she had tried to put him up for adoption.

During a news conference at a Tempe police substation on Monday, Logan McQueary said his ex-girlfriend tried several times in the past month to get him to give up his parental rights to the boy and then sent McQueary text messages last week saying she had killed their son.

Elizabeth Johnson, 23, was arrested Dec. 30 in Miami Beach, Fla. The couple's son, Gabriel, has not been seen since Dec. 26 when Johnson checked into a San Antonio hotel.

Johnson has invoked her right to remain silent and has refused to give investigators any information on where her son might be. She's awaiting extradition.

McQueary said Monday that he and Johnson lived together for two years but broke up early last month. She asked him to leave their Tempe home and then called him at work the next day, Dec. 9, telling him to sign over his parental rights to a couple who wanted to adopt the baby.

He refused and hasn't seen his son since.


In front of a panel of reporters and with his father, Frank, by his side, McQueary said he had been approached by the prospective parents, begging him to sign paperwork and insisting Johnson wouldn't come back until he did.

McQueary again refused.

The couple hoping to adopt are not speaking to police, and investigators have searched their home to be sure the child wasn't with them, said Sgt. Steve Carbajal, a Tempe police spokesman.

It's unclear whether the couple had a role in the boy's disappearance or whether charges could be levied in the future, he said.

In the meantime, police and family members don't know if Gabriel is alive.

The drama for police began last week when McQueary came to them with text messages sent from Johnson's phone Dec. 27.

After the breakup, McQueary filed for full custody. The couple had a court date set for Dec. 28. When Johnson failed to show up, McQueary was given full custody and a warrant was issued for her arrest.

After McQueary notified police about the texts, they began looking for the mother.

McQueary's father said his son "did his best to make a family with her and with Gabriel. She had some emotional problems. One day she would be happy and easygoing and good, and the next day not good, breaking things and yelling."

The elder McQueary said he believed Johnson was capable of hurting her son.

Logan McQueary said he has "a feeling" his son is still alive.

With tears brimming in his eyes, he said he misses his son, loves his son, and intends to raise him on his own if and when Gabriel is returned.

"She doesn't need to go through all this, put everyone else through all this," he said.

Police have witness reports that Gabriel was alive and with his mother in San Antonio on Dec. 26 at one or both of two hotels: Home Gate Studio and Suites, and Quality Inn Fiesta Park. She never formally checked out of either hotel but was scheduled to do so on the 27th. Police don't know where she was between then and Dec. 30, when she was found in Florida. There's also a possibility she may have spent time in Nashville.

Authorities are still looking for Johnson's car, a white 1995 Oldsmobile Delta 88 with Arizona license AGZ-4214.

Investigators are chasing down other leads, and the media have picked up the story in San Antonio and Miami.

Anyone with information is asked to call Tempe police at 480-350-8311 or Silent Witness at 480-WITNESS

http://www.azcentral.com/community/tempe/articles/2010/01/04/20100104tr-missingbaby0106.html


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Nut44x4 on January 05, 2010, 03:39:54 PM
another link to video
http://www.kpho.com/video/22128137/index.html


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 05, 2010, 03:41:12 PM
Wow


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: no rose colored glasses on January 05, 2010, 03:46:31 PM
Tammi Faye will do whatever it takes to get a child  ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 05, 2010, 03:54:19 PM
Tammi Faye will do whatever it takes to get a child  ::MonkeyEek::

Yup and "The couple hoping to adopt are not speaking to police".  I hope a little jail time may be in her future for what she has done to Logan.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Nut44x4 on January 05, 2010, 03:56:28 PM
New video top right

http://www.abc15.com/content/news/southeastvalley/tempe/story/Tempe-PD-Mother-in-custody-baby-still-missing/xgsbK2cK80iD5ZWBC0ifjg.cspx
To be blunt, that Tammi Faye isn't right in the head  ::MonkeyNoNo::

Exactly! People like this are as sick as the perps who commit the crimes...


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: no rose colored glasses on January 05, 2010, 03:57:13 PM
 http://www.healingwatersaz.com/about.html  All about what Tammi Faye does


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Tracygirl on January 05, 2010, 04:18:01 PM
I'm confused...Why is this Tammi person not in jail?


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 05, 2010, 04:36:27 PM
I'm confused...Why is this Tammi person not in jail?

Scooch over I am on the same branch.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 05, 2010, 05:01:55 PM
HLN is talking about Gabriel right now.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 05, 2010, 05:09:06 PM
Tempe police sgt said they have information that Gabriel could be alive and well.

Elizabeth has not provided any information on Gabriel's condition let alone where abouts

Logan was not on board with giving up his parental rights or giving away Gabriel.  He filed documents on Dec 11 to take over custody so he could raise Gabriel.

After Logan filed on Dec 11 he found out about the Smiths.

Elizabeth met the Smiths on a flight back from Boston when Gabriel was one month old.

Dec 27 Elizabeth sent a text to Logan that Gabriel was dead, she smothered, him, put him in a diaper bag and put Gabriel in a dumpster.

Police want to locate Gabriel and turn him over to his father, Logan.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: no rose colored glasses on January 05, 2010, 05:15:10 PM
Tempe police sgt said they have information that Gabriel could be alive and well.

Elizabeth has not provided any information on Gabriel's condition let alone where abouts

Logan was not on board with giving up his parental rights or giving away Gabriel.  He filed documents on Dec 11 to take over custody so he could raise Gabriel.

After Logan filed on Dec 11 he found out about the Smiths.

Elizabeth met the Smiths on a flight back from Boston when Gabriel was one month old.

Dec 27 Elizabeth sent a text to Logan that Gabriel was dead, she smothered, him, put him in a diaper bag and put Gabriel in a dumpster.

Police want to locate Gabriel and turn him over to his father, Logan.

Thank-you, I wonder what the info is for LE to think that Gabriel is alive and well.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: trimmonthelake on January 05, 2010, 05:36:37 PM
New video top right

http://www.abc15.com/content/news/southeastvalley/tempe/story/Tempe-PD-Mother-in-custody-baby-still-missing/xgsbK2cK80iD5ZWBC0ifjg.cspx
To be blunt, that Tammi Faye isn't right in the head  ::MonkeyNoNo::

Exactly! People like this are as sick as the perps who commit the crimes...

I agree.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: trimmonthelake on January 05, 2010, 05:45:39 PM
http://www.examiner.com/x-1168-Crime-Examiner~y2010m1d5-Gabriel-Johnson-news-Mother-of-missing-8monthold-extradited
Gabriel Johnson news: Mother of missing 8-month-old extradited
January 5, 3:13 PMCrime ExaminerCindy Adams
Elizabeth Johnson, 23, the mother of missing 8-month-old boy, Gabriel Johnson, has been extradited back to Arizona.

The little boy was last seen with Johnson, on Dec. 26 after she left Tempe, Ariz. with him. It is believed she was in San Antonio, Tex. from Dec. 22 to Dec. 27. Last week, Johnson was arrested in Miami Beach, but Gabriel was nowhere to be found and Johnson is not talking.

Logan McQueary, Gabriel’s father, said he’s happy that Johnson was in custody, but is desperate to find his son. To Gabriel, McQueary said “I love you. I hope you come home safe.”
McQueary said prior to her leaving, Johnson was pushing him to sign over custody of the child to another couple. He also claims she called and texted him after she left Tempe, telling him Gabriel was dead and that she had placed his body in a dumpster. Johnson said she would let him know where the body was after she was out of the country.

To read about McQueary’s experiences with Johnson, and her violent behavior, click here.

Police believe Johnson was driving a white 1995 Oldsmobile Delta-88 with Arizona license plate AGZ4214. She is currently being extradited from Florida to Tempe, Ariz.

Anyone with information regarding Gabriel or his whereabouts is urged to call Tempe Police at 480-350-8311 or Silent Witness at 480-948-6377.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: trimmonthelake on January 05, 2010, 07:52:37 PM
http://www.kpho.com/news/22144314/detail.html
Mom: I Gave My Baby To Texas Strangers

POSTED: 5:21 pm MST January 5, 2010
UPDATED: 5:39 pm MST January 5, 2010
PHOENIX -- A Tempe woman arrested in Florida on suspicion of custodial interference said she gave her 8-month-old son to a Texas couple.
Video  http://www.kpho.com/video/22144213/index.html
In an exclusive interview with CBS 5 News from her jail cell, Elizabeth Johnson, 23, said she met the couple in San Antonio while running away from Arizona.

“They approached me and came up to me,” she said. “I was alone with the baby at the park.”

Johnson said she knows little about the couple. She said she doesn’t know their last name, address or phone number.

“I trusted them,” she said. “I believed in my heart they were good people.”

Elizabeth Johnson had not revealed the whereabouts of her baby until now.

On Monday, the boy’s father said he received a text message from Elizabeth Johnson telling him she killed their son.

Asked why she would tell Logan McQueary she had killed Gabriel, Johnson said for revenge.

“He had ruined my life,” Johnson said. “He hurt me and I wanted to hurt him and that was the only thing I could say that would hurt him.”

“I was emotionally a wreck and was completely out of my mind and just upset,” she said.

Johnson said she regrets making the statement.

“We’re human and we make mistakes,” she said. “We say things we don’t mean.”
Johnson said she has told police everything about the Texas couple who has her son. She said she isn’t concerned who has custody.

Johnson said even though she did not harm her baby, she’s not worried about his safety now.

Asked whether she’s worried her baby is dead or alive, she said, “No I’m not.”

McQueary said his ex-girlfriend approached him about giving up his parental rights to their son, saying another couple wanted to adopt him. McQueary refused Johnson's request.

Elizabeth Johnson was taken into custody Wednesday by Miami Beach police.

Johnson was scheduled to appear in Maricopa County Superior Court's Family Court in Phoenix for a Dec. 28 custodial hearing. But authorities say she failed to appear and lost custodial rights to Gabriel Johnson.

The Tempe Police Department said it has been “working around the clock” to locate him.

Tempe police Sgt. Steve Carbajal said threats were made. "At this point there's no evidence those threats have been carried out, but we're obviously concerned when we don't know where the child is."


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Tracygirl on January 05, 2010, 08:06:01 PM
Oh yea come on some random stranger comes up to her in a park and asks if they can have her baby and she says yes? No back round check, no exchange of names even? Charge her with enough crimes and she will talk.
Northern Rose I have a feeling many would be joining us on that branch!


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 05, 2010, 08:08:26 PM
http://www.kpho.com/news/22144314/detail.html
Mom: I Gave My Baby To Texas Strangers

POSTED: 5:21 pm MST January 5, 2010
UPDATED: 5:39 pm MST January 5, 2010
PHOENIX -- A Tempe woman arrested in Florida on suspicion of custodial interference said she gave her 8-month-old son to a Texas couple.
Video  http://www.kpho.com/video/22144213/index.html
In an exclusive interview with CBS 5 News from her jail cell, Elizabeth Johnson, 23, said she met the couple in San Antonio while running away from Arizona.

“They approached me and came up to me,” she said. “I was alone with the baby at the park.”

Johnson said she knows little about the couple. She said she doesn’t know their last name, address or phone number.

“I trusted them,” she said. “I believed in my heart they were good people.”

Elizabeth Johnson had not revealed the whereabouts of her baby until now.

On Monday, the boy’s father said he received a text message from Elizabeth Johnson telling him she killed their son.

Asked why she would tell Logan McQueary she had killed Gabriel, Johnson said for revenge.

“He had ruined my life,” Johnson said. “He hurt me and I wanted to hurt him and that was the only thing I could say that would hurt him.”

“I was emotionally a wreck and was completely out of my mind and just upset,” she said.

Johnson said she regrets making the statement.

“We’re human and we make mistakes,” she said. “We say things we don’t mean.”
Johnson said she has told police everything about the Texas couple who has her son. She said she isn’t concerned who has custody.

Johnson said even though she did not harm her baby, she’s not worried about his safety now.

Asked whether she’s worried her baby is dead or alive, she said, “No I’m not.”

McQueary said his ex-girlfriend approached him about giving up his parental rights to their son, saying another couple wanted to adopt him. McQueary refused Johnson's request.

Elizabeth Johnson was taken into custody Wednesday by Miami Beach police.

Johnson was scheduled to appear in Maricopa County Superior Court's Family Court in Phoenix for a Dec. 28 custodial hearing. But authorities say she failed to appear and lost custodial rights to Gabriel Johnson.

The Tempe Police Department said it has been “working around the clock” to locate him.

Tempe police Sgt. Steve Carbajal said threats were made. "At this point there's no evidence those threats have been carried out, but we're obviously concerned when we don't know where the child is."

I listened to this and she has no emotion over what she did.  All she knows is the woman's first name is Cheryl.  She must be the luckest woman in the world to have two separate couples randomly meet her and immediately offer to take Gabriel, first the Smith's and now Cheryl.  It may have been a while since I have had kids but not once has a stranger come up to me to offer to adopt any of them.  Yet Elizabeth has has two separate instances of just that.  She should buy a lottery ticket or get her colon cleaned out.   ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 05, 2010, 08:10:12 PM
Oh yea come on some random stranger comes up to her in a park and asks if they can have her baby and she says yes? No back round check, no exchange of names even? Charge her with enough crimes and she will talk.
Northern Rose I have a feeling many would be joining us on that branch!

We pretty much just posted the same thing.    ::MonkeyDance::   Now all the FBI has to do is find Cheryl who was in Texas.    ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 05, 2010, 08:27:59 PM
NG is covering this tonight and Elizabeth took her grandfather's car to go on her road trip.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 05, 2010, 08:31:33 PM
Mother of missing baby wanted to give child up for adoption

Seven months ago, Tammi Peters Smith saw a young, worn-out mother at an airport during a long layover.

Elizabeth Johnson, 23, looked tired and depressed as she held her newborn son, Smith said.

"I looked at that situation and said, 'She doesn't want that baby,'" Smith said, before walking over to Johnson and asking her if she was looking for someone to adopt her child.

"She said, 'yes, but the dad won't sign the papers,'" Smith said.

Now the baby, Gabriel, is at the center of a nationwide search.

He has been missing for nearly three weeks since his mother took off with him from Tempe, and police are scrambling for clues as more details emerge in the bizarre story involving fighting young parents and the couple who wanted to adopt their son.

Smith said she and her husband, Jack, wanted to adopt Gabriel and that both of his parents wanted to give him up at different times, though never seemed to be on the same page about it.

Logan McQueary, 25, told reporters Monday that wasn't the case, and said he felt extorted by the family
.

Johnson, his ex-girlfriend, was arrested in Miami on Dec. 30 without her son, who was last seen by witnesses in San Antonio, Tex., on Dec. 26. The next day she sent Logan a text message telling him she'd killed the baby. That's when he went to the police.

At pre-scheduled hearing in Maricopa County Superior Court the following day, on Dec. 28, a judge automatically awarded McQueary the custody of the child when Johnson didn't show up. A warrant for custodial interference was issued immediately and since her arrest, she's invoked her right to remain silent and refused to say what happened to the child.

Police also haven't found her 1995 white Oldsmobile Delta 88. She's awaiting extradition in Miami.

Smith said she's been working with police and had sporadic contact with Johnson up until her arrest, including a text following up the one she sent Logan saying that she hadn't harmed Gabriel. Rather, she said, she sent him the text to get back at him.

Smith said neither parent is fit, pointing to McQueary's past run-ins with the law, including 2004 burglary charges, to which he pleaded guilty and served nearly four and a half years probation.

"Neither of them want the baby,"
said Smith, who lives in North Scottsdale and owns a colon hydrotherapy practice with several locations around the Valley. "Most likely she's left him with another family she's chosen like she had chosen us."

Police have no idea where the child is, saying they can't account for the mother's whereabouts during the four days between her stay in San Antonio and her arrest in Miami.

"We were the duped family between him and her and their problems," Smith said.

Smith also she and her husband had temporary guardianship of the boy in late November and early December for about 10 to 12 days while the couple was deciding what to do.

A Tempe detective was at the Smith home when they took in Gabriel and saw paperwork on the matter, though spokesman Sgt. Steve Carbajal said it's unclear if there the documents had any authority since they weren't court-issued.


Gabriel went back to living with Johnson, and she and the boy's father broke up on Dec. 8. He left the home where they were living together, and the next day she called him at work to ask him to sign over his rights, McQueary said at the news conference Monday.

He refused and he hasn't seen Gabriel since.

Smith said she and her husband spoke to Johnson and tried to coax her to return, but had little luck. They cooperated with police, but didn't offer any information on where Gabriel might be, Carbajal said, disputing earlier reports that the couple hadn't been talking with police.

http://www.azcentral.com/community/tempe/articles/2010/01/05/20100105missingbaby0106.html


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: no rose colored glasses on January 05, 2010, 08:33:56 PM
NG is covering this tonight and Elizabeth took her grandfather's car to go on her road trip.
  ::MonkeyEek:: And in an interview from jail, why is that allowed anyway, she states she randomly gave her baby to a couple, yeah sure  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 05, 2010, 08:35:23 PM
First Smith says she randomly walked over to Elizabeth and asked if she wanted to give her baby up for adoption.  WTF. 

Then she says neither are fit to be parents.  It also seems that her temporary guardianship may not be legal.  Big surprise there.

She seems a little full of the stuff she flushes out of others. 


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: no rose colored glasses on January 05, 2010, 08:37:39 PM
First Smith says she randomly walked over to Elizabeth and asked if she wanted to give her baby up for adoption.  WTF. 

Then she says neither are fit to be parents.  It also seems that her temporary guardianship may not be legal.  Big surprise there.

She seems a little full of the stuff she flushes out of others. 
Who walks up to a strange woman holding a baby in an airport, and asks if she wanted to give her baby up for adoption? Tammi Faye in her zeal to have a child has lost her mind.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 05, 2010, 08:40:14 PM
court images


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 05, 2010, 08:49:51 PM
Nancy Grace actually had some BREAKING NEWS!!!

FBI San Antonio Texas have found the car at a local motel 6.  Car is being processed.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: no rose colored glasses on January 05, 2010, 08:50:56 PM
She looks really concerned and interested  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: no rose colored glasses on January 05, 2010, 08:51:42 PM
Nancy Grace actually had some BREAKING NEWS!!!

FBI San Antonio Texas have found the car at a local motel 6.  Car is being processed.
Great


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 05, 2010, 08:59:51 PM
First Smith says she randomly walked over to Elizabeth and asked if she wanted to give her baby up for adoption.  WTF. 

Then she says neither are fit to be parents.  It also seems that her temporary guardianship may not be legal.  Big surprise there.

She seems a little full of the stuff she flushes out of others. 
Who walks up to a strange woman holding a baby in an airport, and asks if she wanted to give her baby up for adoption? Tammi Faye in her zeal to have a child has lost her mind.

especially at an airport.  To walk up to a stranger and ask if they want to give their child away?  Still asking why Smith is not locked up.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 05, 2010, 09:10:18 PM
Authorities find missing car, not missing baby

SAN ANTONIO — Authorities have found the vehicle belonging to an Arizona mother who has refused to say where her 8-month-old son is.

FBI spokesman Eric Vasys says San Antonio police and FBI agents found the vehicle outside a San Antonio motel Tuesday night and are processing the car for evidence that might point to the whereabouts of 8-month-old Gabriel Johnson. There were no obvious signs of violence.

Johnson's mother, 23-year-old Elizabeth Johnson, was arrested in Miami Beach, Fla., last week after she failed to appear for a custodial hearing in Phoenix. The baby's father told authorities the mother had threatened the child.

She has refused to say where the baby is.

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/ap/tx/6800404.html


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 05, 2010, 09:12:11 PM
NG said at the end of her broadcast that the location of the car is one of the places she told the Smith’s she was staying at.  Why did the Smiths did not tell LE till now or LE has not been looking?


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 05, 2010, 09:30:21 PM
Couple: Mom of missing baby says he is in San Antonio  (with video)

UPDATE: Baby Gabriel's mother, Elizabeth Johnson says the baby is safe and in San Antonio.

She made the claim in a phone call from jail just this afternoon, but it has not been confirmed by police or the FBI.

Johnson called a Phoenix couple who were making plans to adopt baby Gabriel right before Johnson fled with the child.

Johnson told the couple today she found a loving family in the San Antonio area, spent a few days with them, and decided to leave Gabriel there.

Johnson continued on to Miami, where she was arrested by police and is now waiting to be brought back to Maricopa County.

Father of missing baby reveals his side of story in hopes of finding son

An 8-month-old is still missing and his mother, who was arraigned Monday in a Florida court, is still not revealing where the child might be.

Elizabeth Johnson took her son to San Antonio back on Dec. 18 and just over a week later was arrested in Miami without her son, Gabriel, with her.

She will not reveal his whereabouts and so Monday the boy's biological father, Logan McQueary, spoke to the media in hopes of encouraging someone with information to come forward.

New details reveal that Johnson told McQueary their son might not be alive, but relatives are still holding out hope that Gabriel is still alive.

McQueary pleaded that if anyone knows anything they should come forward.

Police also are continuing to search for Johnson’s white 1995 Oldsmobile Delta-88 with Arizona license plate AGZ4214.

If you have any information on the vehicle or on Gabriel's whereabouts you can contact the Tempe Police Department.

http://www.azfamily.com/news/local/Father-of-missing-baby-reveals-his-side-of-story-in-hopes-of-finding-son-80676437.html


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: no rose colored glasses on January 05, 2010, 09:33:21 PM
NG said at the end of her broadcast that the location of the car is one of the places she told the Smith’s she was staying at.  Why did the Smiths did not tell LE till now or LE has not been looking?
I think the Smiths helped orchestrate this whole horrible situation. I would like to know who called in a tip that Elizabeth was at that youth hostel? I saw mention that on Tammi's facebook there are two Cheryls on there, wonder if one of the Cheryls is the woman that Elizabeth supposedly gave the baby too?


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 05, 2010, 09:33:40 PM
Authorities Find Arizona Mother's Car, Still No Baby

SAN ANTONIO —  Authorities have found the vehicle belonging to an Arizona mother who has refused to say where her 8-month-old son is.

FBI spokesman Eric Vasys says San Antonio police and FBI agents found the vehicle outside a San Antonio motel Tuesday night and are processing the car for evidence that might point to the whereabouts of 8-month-old Gabriel Johnson. There were no obvious signs of violence.

Johnson's mother, 23-year-old Elizabeth Johnson, was arrested in Miami Beach, Fla., last week after she failed to appear for a custodial hearing in Phoenix. The baby's father told authorities the mother had threatened the child.

She has refused to say where the baby is.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,582108,00.html?test=latestnews


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 05, 2010, 09:43:00 PM
NG said at the end of her broadcast that the location of the car is one of the places she told the Smith’s she was staying at.  Why did the Smiths did not tell LE till now or LE has not been looking?
I think the Smiths helped orchestrate this whole horrible situation. I would like to know who called in a tip that Elizabeth was at that youth hostel? I saw mention that on Tammi's facebook there are two Cheryls on there, wonder if one of the Cheryls is the woman that Elizabeth supposedly gave the baby too?

I saw the two Cheryl's.  I doubt this to be true though.  Thank goodness she did not say she gave the baby to Zanny.  The Smith's are now saying "Johnson told the couple today she found a loving family in the San Antonio area, spent a few days with them, and decided to leave Gabriel there."  So she stayed with then for a few days but does not know their address?  first name of husband?  phone number?  Colour of house?  BS!!!!


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 05, 2010, 10:08:08 PM
Missing Arizona Baby's Mom's Car Found In Texas

SAN ANTONIO (AP) ― The car belonging to an Arizona mother who allegedly sent her ex-boyfriend a message saying she'd killed their 8-month-old son was found Tuesday in Texas, but the baby remained missing, an FBI spokesman said.

Gabriel Johnson was last seen in San Antonio when authorities say his 23-year-old mother, Elizabeth Johnson of Tempe, Ariz., spent Dec. 22-27 staying at two motels there.

Johnson was arrested last week in Miami Beach, Fla., on suspicion of custodial interference after she failed to show up for a custodial hearing in Phoenix. Authorities say she has refused to say where her son is.

Johnson's white Oldsmobile was found parked at a San Antonio motel Tuesday evening. A baby seat and other items were inside, and there were no obvious signs of violence, said FBI spokesman Eric Vasys. The vehicle was being combed for evidence of the baby's whereabouts, he said.

The boy's father, Logan McQueary, said during a Monday news conference at a Tempe police substation that he had received a text message from Johnson telling him she had killed their son. But McQueary said he had "a feeling" the boy was still alive.

McQueary said Johnson has previously approached him about giving up his parental rights to Gabriel, saying another couple wanted to adopt him, but McQueary refused her request.


http://cbs4.com/wireapnewsfl/Car.belonging.to.2.1405522.html


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 05, 2010, 10:12:15 PM
Watching NG again

Elizabeth lawyered up as soon as she was arrested

Elizabeth did not work, only Logan worked

SO ....who is paying for this trip, hotel's, lawyer....gee wonder.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Babybear on January 05, 2010, 11:29:47 PM
Watching NG again

Elizabeth lawyered up as soon as she was arrested

Elizabeth did not work, only Logan worked

SO ....who is paying for this trip, hotel's, lawyer....gee wonder.

Several years ago there was an underground group which helped mothers and children disappear from husbands who were accused of sexually abusing the children.  They hid the children from the fathers and the courts.  I don't remember the name of the organization, but it was headed by a woman named "Faye" who lived in Atlanta.  I'm not suggesting this is the same "Faye" because this was at least 25 years ago and the "Faye" in Atlanta would be much older that this nutty Tammifay.  I do think it possible that little Gabriel has been given over to a group of this kind.  IMO the group did some good work.  I think however that they just took the word of the mother and sometimes this accusation is used falsely against the father and I think some fathers were unjustly kept from their children by this group.
I can make no judgement about the father of little Gabriel one way or the other as to whether or not the allegations of abuse of the mother are true.  I remember once being in an airport in Harrisburg PA when a mother of two small children was extremely tired and having a hard time with the kids and I offered to help her which she appreciated.   Never in a million years would I have suggested that she might want to give the kids up for adoption.  It turned out she was a doctor's wife just having a trying time after a trip and was waiting for her husband to pick her up.  No one in their right mind would ask a mother that and no mother in her right mind would accept in the way this was described. Although it appears to me that neither of these women is in their right mind, I sincerely doubt this incident ever happened.

It could be true that she handed the baby over to someone named Cheryl in Texas and Cheryl could be a member of this kind of group.  It could also be that this nutty Tammifay arranged it with the idea of getting little Gabriel back after it died down and that's why she tried to get the papers signed.   Maybe they didn't count on the father calling the police.  All of this is just speculation, of course and I have no way of knowing what actually happened.  I just hope the baby is being well taken care of and will be found and made a ward of the court until this can be sorted out.  I'm not sure that with the father's record he should have the baby either.

He looks like such a precious, happy baby and I pray he is OK.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Searching on January 06, 2010, 12:27:41 AM
Is it just me or does this case not smell of the Anthony case? At the least, as we all feared, KC and her family have given every poor excuse for mothers a cover story to at least delay justice if not avoid it completely.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Searching on January 06, 2010, 12:32:39 AM
I was not aware we had a thread for this precious boy and posted this at Caylees thread.....
I know this is little Caylees thread....but this case is too much like that case. I hope the Ants are really proud of what they have helped create with the games they play.   Gabriel Scott Johnson http://www.helpfindmychild.net/gabriel-johnson... This is too much like the Anthony case

From this....  Mom: I Gave My Baby To Texas Strangers new
Submitted by Jasmine on 6 January, 2010 - 03:28.

A Tempe woman arrested in Florida on suspicion of custodial interference said she gave her 8-month-old son to a Texas couple.

In an exclusive interview with CBS 5 News from her jail cell, Elizabeth Johnson, 23, said she met the couple in San Antonio while running away from Arizona.

“They approached me and came up to me,” she said. “I was alone with the baby at the park.”Johnson said she knows little about the couple. She said she doesn’t know their last name, address or phone number.“I trusted them,” she said. “I believed in my heart they were good people.”Elizabeth Johnson had not revealed the whereabouts of her baby until now.

Continues/...

http://www.kpho.com/news/22144314/detail.html
To this.....
A baby seat and other items new
Submitted by Admin on 6 January, 2010 - 03:51.

A baby seat and other items were inside, and there were no obvious signs of violence, said FBI spokesman Eric Vasys. The vehicle was being combed for evidence of the baby's whereabouts, he said.

@HelpFindMyChild <<< twitter
HFMC Dedicated to helping families find their missing children

 


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 06, 2010, 01:03:26 AM
Authorities find car linked to missing Arizona baby

The car belonging to an Arizona mother whose son is missing was found Tuesday night at a South Side motel, but the child hasn't been found, authorities said.

The FBI and San Antonio police found Elizabeth Johnson's white 1995 Oldsmobile around 7 p.m. Tuesday at a Motel 6 in the 7900 block of Interstate 35 South near Zarzamora Road, said FBI spokesman Erik Vasys.

Authorities did not find anyone with the car, but they were searching for any information inside it that might lead them to 8-month-old Gabriel Johnson. It wasn't immediately known how long the car had been at the location or what evidence might have been found inside it.

Johnson, 23, was in San Antonio from Dec. 20-27 and stayed at two hotels. The child was last seen Dec. 26. Johnson left the city the next day for Miami Beach, Fla., where she was arrested Dec. 30 on a felony custodial interference warrant for failing to appear at a custody hearing in Maricopa County, Ariz., on Dec. 28. At the hearing, her custodial rights were revoked and full custody was given to Gabriel's father, Logan McQueary, 25.

Tempe, Ariz., police said McQueary knew Johnson was out of town with Gabriel but that he became concerned for his son's safety when he received threats against the boy from Johnson.

Anyone with information is asked to call the FBI at (210) 225-6741 or Tempe Police Department at (480) 350-8311.

http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/80764072.html


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 06, 2010, 01:18:04 AM
Couple: Mom of missing baby says he is in San Antonio

UPDATE: Baby Gabriel's mother, Elizabeth Johnson says the baby is safe and in San Antonio.

She made the claim in a phone call from jail just this afternoon, but it has not been confirmed by police or the FBI.

Johnson called a Phoenix couple who were making plans to adopt baby Gabriel right before Johnson fled with the child.

Johnson told the couple today she found a loving family in the San Antonio area, spent a few days with them, and decided to leave Gabriel there.


Johnson continued on to Miami, where she was arrested by police and is now waiting to be brought back to Maricopa County.

The 1995 Oldsmobile being driven by Elizabeth was located in San Antonio on Tuesday at about 4:40 p.m. by and FBI agent. The vehicle was at a Motel 6 across from a Tornado bus station off of Interstate 35 and will be processed for evidence.

http://www.azfamily.com/news/local/Father-of-missing-baby-reveals-his-side-of-story-in-hopes-of-finding-son-80676437.html


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: trimmonthelake on January 06, 2010, 08:22:34 AM
http://www.abc15.com/content/news/southeastvalley/tempe/story/Tempe-PD-Moms-car-found-baby-missing-for-more/xgsbK2cK80iD5ZWBC0ifjg.cspx
Tempe PD: Mom's car found, baby missing for more than a week
   Reported by: MaryEllen Resendez
Email: mresendez@abc15.com
Reported by: Katie Fisher
Reported by: Rudabeh Shahbazi
Last Update: 5:36 am
TEMPE, AZ -- Authorities have found the vehicle belonging to an Arizona mother who has refused to say where her 8-month-old son is.

FBI spokesman Eric Vasys says San Antonio police and FBI agents found the vehicle outside a San Antonio motel Tuesday night and are processing the car for evidence that might point to the whereabouts of 8-month-old Gabriel Johnson. There were no obvious signs of violence.

Gabriel's mother, 23-year-old Elizabeth Johnson, was arrested in Miami Beach, Florida, last week after she failed to appear for a custodial hearing in Phoenix. The baby's father told authorities the mother had threatened the child.

"He was always happy," Logan McQueary, the 8-month-old's father, said at a Monday news conference. "He had a smile on his face the whole time."

Tempe police Sgt. Steve Carbajal said Johnson left Arizona with her son, Gabriel, on December 18.

"Everybody knew where she was and that was OK," Carbajal said. "She just wanted to get away for a while and then these series of events happened where it was a concern for the father that she would not show up for a hearing. His fears were confirmed."

McQueary was awarded sole custody of the infant when Elizabeth did not show up in court December 28.

"She wanted me out of the house and we talked and split up," said McQueary. "I gave him a kiss and put him in his bed, and that was the last time I saw him."

In a press conference Monday, McQueary said he received text messages from Gabriel's mother saying she had killed the child.
"She basically said, 'there's no way in Hell you're ever seeing your son again,'" he said.

"Is she saying these things to hurt the father or would she actually hurt her own baby?" said Carbajal. "We don't know yet. We're hoping the baby is in good condition and will be returned safely."

McQueary says he believes Gabriel is still alive, considering he and Johnson were last seen at a park near Six Flags in San Antonio, Texas on December 26 -- after McQueary received the threatening messages.
 
On December 29, Johnson was found and arrested at a Youth Hostel in Miami Beach, Florida.

Gabriel was not with her and detectives said she refuses to tell them where he is.

"She was confronted, arrested and interviewed exhaustively about the whereabouts of the child," said Wayne Jones, with Miami Beach Police.

"All we know at this point is Gabriel can be anywhere between San Antonio and Miami Beach," Tempe police say.
 
Now, another Valley woman is also speaking out, saying Johnson absconded with her son to protect him from his father.

"She's completely innocent," said Tammi Fay Smith, who wanted to adopt Gabriel. "She loves that baby, and just wants to find a good home for that baby. As a mother, I commend her."

McQueary said Johson had been pushing him to sign adoption papers granting Smith custody of Gabriel, and that after the baby disappeared, Smith approached him with similar requests.

"When Gabriel dissapeared, they said basically, 'if you really care about your son and you want him back, and you want Elizabeth to bring him back, that you'll sign the paperwork and then she'll bring him back to us, and you'll know he's safe,'" said McQueary. "I said, 'no, I'm not signing any paperwork.'"
Anyone with information as to the whereabouts of Gabriel Johnson is urged to contact the Tempe Police Department at 480-350-8311 or Silent Witness at 480-WITNESS (480-948-6377).
Video     Tempe PD: Mother in custody, baby still missing after 9 days  http://www.abc15.com/mediacenter/local.aspx?videoid=26291@knxv.dayport.com


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: trimmonthelake on January 06, 2010, 08:28:23 AM
http://www.kens5.com/news/80769767.html
 Missing Arizona baby's mom's car found in Texas

Posted on January 6, 2010 at 6:23 AM
******

SAN ANTONIO (AP) — The car belonging to an Arizona mother who allegedly told her ex-boyfriend she'd killed their baby has been found in Texas, but an FBI spokesman says the baby remains missing.

Eight-month-old Gabriel Johnson was last seen in San Antonio in December with his 23-year-old mother.

Elizabeth Johnson of Tempe, Ariz., was arrested last week in Florida on suspicion of custodial interference after she didn't show up for a custodial hearing in Phoenix. Authorities say she refuses to say where her son is.

The boy's father says Johnson sent him a text message saying she'd killed their son.

Johnson's car was found at a San Antonio motel Tuesday evening. FBI spokesman Eric Vasys says a baby seat and other items were inside and there were no obvious signs of violence.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Monken on January 06, 2010, 09:18:46 AM
Hey Guys, I just watched the latest on this case on GMA. I heard the mother's voice as she told the story of giving little Gabriel to a couple in a Texas park. She's lying, IMO. She sounds like another Casey, another sociopath that killed her child to get even with someone. I hope to God I'm wrong & they find him but I just have a really bad feeling about it. Poor little beautiful  baby!!    ::MonkeyWaa::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 06, 2010, 09:52:13 AM
Where is Baby Gabriel? Arizona Woman Refuses to Help Police Find Missing Son
Infant Caught in Bizarre Custody Dispute; Mother Claims She Gave Baby to Couple in a Park

Two sets of parents caught up in a bizarre custody dispute are frantic with worry about a missing 8-month-old baby and are begging his mother to tell police the truth about what she did with him.

Gabriel Johnson's biological father, Logan McQueary, said he fears Elizabeth Johnson may have killed their son, despite the lack evidence. But a couple who had been in talks to adopt the baby are sticking by the Arizona mother, saying she hid Gabriel to protect him.

Tammi and Jack Smith told "Good Morning America" today that Johnson gave her baby to an unknown couple while on the run in San Antonio, Texas.

Johnson, 23, of Tempe, Ariz., disappeared before Christmas after McQueary refused to let her adopt out their son. She had lost custody of Gabriel after failing to appear at a Dec. 28 court hearing.

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/search-baby-gabriel-arizona-mother-refuses-police-find/story?id=9489263


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 06, 2010, 09:55:25 AM
Hey Guys, I just watched the latest on this case on GMA. I heard the mother's voice as she told the story of giving little Gabriel to a couple in a Texas park. She's lying, IMO. She sounds like another Casey, another sociopath that killed her child to get even with someone. I hope to God I'm wrong & they find him but I just have a really bad feeling about it. Poor little beautiful  baby!!    ::MonkeyWaa::

I agree.  I will have to catch GMA and see what Tammi has to say now.  I am still confused why Tammi is not in jail over all of this.  She is not right, none of what she says makes sense or is normal.  I am really wondering if all of this started because Tammi wanted a baby so bad she started the events to get Gabriel at all cost.  Especially after seeing her FB, the fake guardianship papers, the blackmailing of Logan that he would never see Gabriel again unless he signed custody to them,,,etc,,,,,


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: no rose colored glasses on January 06, 2010, 10:07:57 AM
"What she is telling us is that she met a family, a Caucasian man and woman with no child -- young," Tammi Smith told "Good Morning America."
"And she met them in the park. And she was crying and distraught and they came up to her and said, 'How can we help you?'"
When pressed for details about the couple, Smith said Johnson didn't remember much despite having spent three days with them, just that the woman's first name was "Cheryl." Tammi Smith said Johnson told her she purposely tried not to focus on their car or last names so she wouldn't be tempted to change her mind and get her son back.

"She believed she was doing a closed adoption," Tammi Smith said.
  ::MonkeyEek:: Oh please already, why is Tammi going on Good Morning America with this ridiculous story. I would be afraid of Tammi taking someone's baby, I really would, she has an obsession, and it doesn't appear to be a healthy obsession.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: bananas on January 06, 2010, 10:12:30 AM
"What she is telling us is that she met a family, a Caucasian man and woman with no child -- young," Tammi Smith told "Good Morning America."
"And she met them in the park. And she was crying and distraught and they came up to her and said, 'How can we help you?'"
When pressed for details about the couple, Smith said Johnson didn't remember much despite having spent three days with them, just that the woman's first name was "Cheryl." Tammi Smith said Johnson told her she purposely tried not to focus on their car or last names so she wouldn't be tempted to change her mind and get her son back.

"She believed she was doing a closed adoption," Tammi Smith said.
  ::MonkeyEek:: Oh please already, why is Tammi going on Good Morning America with this ridiculous story. I would be afraid of Tammi taking someone's baby, I really would, she has an obsession, and it doesn't appear to be a healthy obsession.


This ridiculous sounding story is made up to cover what really happened.... it reeks of the same style as KC.  I am very afraid for this little baby boy.  ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: BooMonkey on January 06, 2010, 10:13:38 AM
So many unanswered questions. How did the police know to look for her in Florida? How did they track her to that hostel? If she had a cell phone, are they tracking the pings and checking the records? It hasn't been that long, wonder if they are checking video of the motels she stayed in. Was a baby with her when she checked out of one and not with her when she checked into another? Why would she not give the baby bag and car seat to the person whom she "gave" Gabriel? If she ditched her car at the Motel 6, how did she get to Florida? How did she pay for it? Where did she sleep? Any witnesses that might say if she had a baby with her??

Sorry but Tammifaye sounds like a nutcase to me.  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 06, 2010, 10:17:19 AM
Update: Mom of missing baby says she gave him to couple in SA

SAN ANTONIO -- New details have been released in the case of a missing 8-month-old boy.

Gabriel Johnson was last seen with his mother, 23-year-old Elizabeth Johnson, at a San Antonio park back on December 26th. Elizabeth Johnson was arrested in Miami Beach, Florida last week after she failed to appear for a custodial hearing in Phoenix. Gabriel's father told authorities she had threatened their child.

Although she first refused to give any information about Gabriel's whereabouts, Johnson now says she gave him to a couple in San Antonio. So far, her claim has not been confirmed by investigators.

San Antonio police found Johnson's car a the parking lot at a South Side motel Tuesday. Investigators said a tip led them to the motel. They found Johnson's car parked in the back with a child car seat still inside. Investigators said there were no obvious signs of violence.

News 4 WOAI spoke to workers at the motel about whether or not Elizabeth Johnson stayed there.

"Not under that name," hotel clerk Sylvia Cisneros said. "If she used a different name, if somebody else checked her in, I have no idea."


Investigators learned Johnson purchased a bus ticket on December 27th and was alone when she boarded a bus bound for Florida.   They told News 4 WOAI there are indications that Gabriel Johnson is still alive, and that his mother may have been trying to get rid of him, give him up for adoption, or sell him.

If you have seen Gabriel Johnson or know where he may be, please immediately call the local F.B.I. office at 210-225-6741.

http://www.woai.com/news/local/story/Update-Mom-of-missing-baby-says-she-gave-him-to/A_MWCcI7VU2mj87wWA11fg.cspx


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: cookie on January 06, 2010, 10:28:43 AM
this little boy didn't have a chance with this mom...I watched NG last night and it was really sad how this mom treated this little child..left him in dirty diapers ....what scum bag does that?

I hope that Gabriel is found alive, but if she gave him to another couple, wouldn't they have come forward by now???
the father seemed heartbroken...


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: BooMonkey on January 06, 2010, 10:38:22 AM
Update: Mom of missing baby says she gave him to couple in SA

SAN ANTONIO -- New details have been released in the case of a missing 8-month-old boy.

Gabriel Johnson was last seen with his mother, 23-year-old Elizabeth Johnson, at a San Antonio park back on December 26th. Elizabeth Johnson was arrested in Miami Beach, Florida last week after she failed to appear for a custodial hearing in Phoenix. Gabriel's father told authorities she had threatened their child.

Although she first refused to give any information about Gabriel's whereabouts, Johnson now says she gave him to a couple in San Antonio. So far, her claim has not been confirmed by investigators.

San Antonio police found Johnson's car a the parking lot at a South Side motel Tuesday. Investigators said a tip led them to the motel. They found Johnson's car parked in the back with a child car seat still inside. Investigators said there were no obvious signs of violence.

News 4 WOAI spoke to workers at the motel about whether or not Elizabeth Johnson stayed there.

"Not under that name," hotel clerk Sylvia Cisneros said. "If she used a different name, if somebody else checked her in, I have no idea."


Investigators learned Johnson purchased a bus ticket on December 27th and was alone when she boarded a bus bound for Florida.   They told News 4 WOAI there are indications that Gabriel Johnson is still alive, and that his mother may have been trying to get rid of him, give him up for adoption, or sell him.

If you have seen Gabriel Johnson or know where he may be, please immediately call the local F.B.I. office at 210-225-6741.

http://www.woai.com/news/local/story/Update-Mom-of-missing-baby-says-she-gave-him-to/A_MWCcI7VU2mj87wWA11fg.cspx

Wow!  ::MonkeyEek:: Ask and ye shall receive!! Hey Northern what are my chances of winning the lotto??  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 06, 2010, 10:55:13 AM
Update: Mom of missing baby says she gave him to couple in SA

SAN ANTONIO -- New details have been released in the case of a missing 8-month-old boy.

Gabriel Johnson was last seen with his mother, 23-year-old Elizabeth Johnson, at a San Antonio park back on December 26th. Elizabeth Johnson was arrested in Miami Beach, Florida last week after she failed to appear for a custodial hearing in Phoenix. Gabriel's father told authorities she had threatened their child.

Although she first refused to give any information about Gabriel's whereabouts, Johnson now says she gave him to a couple in San Antonio. So far, her claim has not been confirmed by investigators.

San Antonio police found Johnson's car a the parking lot at a South Side motel Tuesday. Investigators said a tip led them to the motel. They found Johnson's car parked in the back with a child car seat still inside. Investigators said there were no obvious signs of violence.

News 4 WOAI spoke to workers at the motel about whether or not Elizabeth Johnson stayed there.

"Not under that name," hotel clerk Sylvia Cisneros said. "If she used a different name, if somebody else checked her in, I have no idea."


Investigators learned Johnson purchased a bus ticket on December 27th and was alone when she boarded a bus bound for Florida.   They told News 4 WOAI there are indications that Gabriel Johnson is still alive, and that his mother may have been trying to get rid of him, give him up for adoption, or sell him.

If you have seen Gabriel Johnson or know where he may be, please immediately call the local F.B.I. office at 210-225-6741.

http://www.woai.com/news/local/story/Update-Mom-of-missing-baby-says-she-gave-him-to/A_MWCcI7VU2mj87wWA11fg.cspx

Wow!  ::MonkeyEek:: Ask and ye shall receive!! Hey Northern what are my chances of winning the lotto??  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Right now pretty good!  We know she bought a bus ticket and Gabriel was not with her on that bus .  I can now officially say that Tammifay is a lier.  Tammi stated that she was in contact with Elizabeth the entire time up to the point that Elizabeth  was arrested and that she heard Gabriel in the background.   I will cut Tammi a bit of slack in that it could have been another child on the bus, or at the hostile that she heard, but stick to the fact that the woman has ulterior motives and should be in a nut house or arrested.  IMO she bankrolled this trip and knows where Gabriel is. 


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: darla on January 06, 2010, 11:01:49 AM
Good Morning Monkeys and Guest!

I was several pages behind and finally caught up.What young mother has not been upset and tired and overwhelmed with an infant at some point? What would make this Tammi faye jump to the conclusion, at an airport, hey that woman does not want that baby, geesh, I will go ask her to give her child to me. That woman needs her azz thrown in jail. She ain't mother of the year material herself.
 I don't think lil Gab is still alive. If she gave him to someone she would have given them the car seat and everything else. Hit her a time or two with a Taser and she just might spill the beans.
 What gives people the right to play God with other peoples lives especially a tiny child? If you do not want a baby, keep your panties up or for God's sake take birth control . There is no excuse for having an unwanted pregnancy. It just makes me so damn angry how people mistreat children I could just scream.
Sorry for the rant. God Bless the little ones!


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 06, 2010, 11:06:37 AM
I am really scared for Gabriel now.  "Not under that name," hotel clerk Sylvia Cisneros said. "If she used a different name, if somebody else checked her in, I have no idea." 

I do not think Elizabeth stayed at the Hotel 6 she left her car at.  I mapped that hotel and all the bus companies and deptos in San Antonio.  There is only one within a reasonable distance to that Motel 6 that she would not have required secondary transportation to get to ( distance 272 ft)


Motel 6 San Antonio South
7950 South Pan Am Expressway, San Antonio, TX, United States

Tornado Bus Company
7914 Interstate 35 S, San Antonio, TX, United States
http://www.tornadobus.com/index2.html

Viaje cómodo, seguro y puntualmente con Tornado Bus Company.  Nuestro historial en ambos mercados, experiencia y prestigio nos respaldan ampliamente en todas las ciudades que servimos.             

Con nosotros usted puede viajar a cualquier punto en México, desde los Estados Unidos; ya que, contamos con el mejor sistema de conexiones con las principales empresas de transporte en México.

When I stick this into Google translator it says:

Travel comfortable, safe and timely manner with Tornado Bus Company. Our record in both markets, experience and prestige largely behind us in every city we serve.

With us you can travel anywhere in Mexico from the United States because we have the best system of connections to major transportation companies in Mexico.

Can someone who can read the site please see if there are trips to Miami or if they exclusively go to Mexico?

My gut is telling me she sold Gabriel and he was taking on a bus to Mexico, she ditched the car there and then went on her way.  The money she got for Gabriel payed for her trip to Miami.   I really  hope I am wrong. 






Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: BooMonkey on January 06, 2010, 11:06:50 AM
Good Morning Monkeys and Guest!

I was several pages behind and finally caught up.What young mother has not been upset and tired and overwhelmed with an infant at some point? What would make this Tammi faye jump to the conclusion, at an airport, hey that woman does not want that baby, geesh, I will go ask her to give her child to me. That woman needs her azz thrown in jail. She ain't mother of the year material herself.
 I don't think lil Gab is still alive. If she gave him to someone she would have given them the car seat and everything else. Hit her a time or two with a Taser and she just might spill the beans.
 What gives people the right to play God with other peoples lives especially a tiny child? If you do not want a baby, keep your panties up or for God's sake take birth control . There is no excuse for having an unwanted pregnancy. It just makes me so damn angry how people mistreat children I could just scream.
Sorry for the rant. God Bless the little ones!


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: BooMonkey on January 06, 2010, 11:07:20 AM
I like your style Darla!!   ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 06, 2010, 11:10:28 AM
Good Morning Monkeys and Guest!

I was several pages behind and finally caught up.What young mother has not been upset and tired and overwhelmed with an infant at some point? What would make this Tammi faye jump to the conclusion, at an airport, hey that woman does not want that baby, geesh, I will go ask her to give her child to me. That woman needs her azz thrown in jail. She ain't mother of the year material herself.
 I don't think lil Gab is still alive. If she gave him to someone she would have given them the car seat and everything else. Hit her a time or two with a Taser and she just might spill the beans.
 What gives people the right to play God with other peoples lives especially a tiny child? If you do not want a baby, keep your panties up or for God's sake take birth control . There is no excuse for having an unwanted pregnancy. It just makes me so damn angry how people mistreat children I could just scream.
Sorry for the rant. God Bless the little ones!

I say we hit Tammi a few times as well.  I am watching her on GMA right now and she is nuts!


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: darla on January 06, 2010, 11:15:27 AM
I like your style Darla!!   ::MonkeyHaHa::

Thank you.....I am just so sick of these POS getting  treated with kid gloves. For God's Sake there is an 8 month old baby missing. Gabe is a helpless baby....beat it out of her if they have to ..she has no rights in my opinion. She gave up any rights when her baby was mistreated or whatever she did with him


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Babybear on January 06, 2010, 11:15:38 AM
Good Morning Monkeys and Guest!

I was several pages behind and finally caught up.What young mother has not been upset and tired and overwhelmed with an infant at some point? What would make this Tammi faye jump to the conclusion, at an airport, hey that woman does not want that baby, geesh, I will go ask her to give her child to me. That woman needs her azz thrown in jail. She ain't mother of the year material herself.
 I don't think lil Gab is still alive. If she gave him to someone she would have given them the car seat and everything else. Hit her a time or two with a Taser and she just might spill the beans.
 What gives people the right to play God with other peoples lives especially a tiny child? If you do not want a baby, keep your panties up or for God's sake take birth control . There is no excuse for having an unwanted pregnancy. It just makes me so damn angry how people mistreat children I could just scream.
Sorry for the rant. God Bless the little ones!

Hi Darla  I agree that women should not become pregnant if they are not in a position to love and care for their babies.  Birth control is available free.  I do think there is a chance that little Gabriel is alive and with someone arranged by this Tammifay person. However it happened, Tammifay appears to be Elizabeth's confidante.  So if Gabriel is alive, Tammifay knows where she is and probably arranged for him to be there. I don't know, but it seems to me that what Tammifay did, threatening the baby's life if the father didn't sign adoption papers, is illegal.  Trafficking in humans or blackmail or something.  She needs to be arrested on some charge or another and she'd IMO sing like a canary.  I could be wrong on it all,though.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: bananas on January 06, 2010, 11:16:59 AM
I like your style Darla!!   ::MonkeyHaHa::

Thank you.....I am just so sick of these POS getting  treated with kid gloves. For God's Sake there is an 8 month old baby missing. Gabe is a helpless baby....beat it out of her if they have to ..she has no rights in my opinion. She gave up any rights when her baby was mistreated or whatever she did with him

You are right Darla.... at the very least SHE GAVE HIM AWAY to just anyone.... but I am afraid she did much worse than that.......


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: darla on January 06, 2010, 11:20:33 AM
I think Tami could be arrested on aiding and abetting at least, or child endangerment. Someone had to provide this POS egg donor with money. Then Tammi threatened The dad. I just don't have a good feeling about this one.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 06, 2010, 11:28:51 AM
GMA - Tammi says she went to Elizabeth's grandfather's house for the phone call from jail.  Tammi invited news channel 5 to come to the grandfather's to record the interview between Tammi and Elizabeth. 

From Tammi:

Situation that Elizabeth met couple was the same identical situation that Tammi met Elizabeth. In airport , Tammi saw a distraught mother and crying with a newborn and that does not look like a mother that is wanting to be a mother.

Elizabeth gave Gab to a young Caucasian couple she met in a park.  Elizabeth was crying and distraught.  Couple came up to her to help her and the story goes the same way the story goes with Tammi.

After getting to know the couple for a few days Elizabeth  gave Gab to them

Elizabeth was under too much duress to have any memory of the couple other than the woman's name was Cheryl. 

Elizabeth believes she was doing a closed adoption (WTF) and did not want to know where the Gab was.

From Jack Tammi's husband:

Had Gab for a few weeks in Dec.

Felt strange , the whole situation felt strange.  Very in touch with Elizabeth throughout it.  Jack said they offered to babysit for a few days while she got her head together.

Claims by Logan that he felt pressure to give Gab up for adoption to them are not true.  Tammi now interjects and says she can answer that, Logan, Jack and her were in constant contact when they found out Elizabeth fled with the Gab, texting and calling back and forth.  When Tammi finally spoke to Elizabeth , she was so angry and the only message she had for Logan was once he signed the papers she would bring Gab back.  Tammi then told Logan that he could not sign the papers under duress so it could not happen, but if he signed them at least it would get the baby back to AZ.

NOTE:   not ONCE did Tammi or Jack call Gabriel by name.  It was always "the baby".



Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 06, 2010, 11:33:36 AM
Car in Ariz. child disappearance recovered

SAN ANTONIO, Jan. 6 (UPI) -- The FBI announced that a car wanted in connection the disappearance of an Arizona baby was found Tuesday night at a motel in San Antonio, Texas.

However, no sign of 8-month-old Gabriel Johnson was found by police and agents who located the 1995 Oldsmobile at a motel on San Antonio's South Side.

It was not immediately clear how long the car had been parked at the Motel 6 or if any useful clues were found inside, the San Antonio News-Express reported Wednesday.

The car belongs to Gabriel's mother, Elizabeth Johnson, 23, of Tempe, who has been involved in a custody dispute with the child's father and was known to be in San Antonio over Christmas.

Police were called in by Gabriel's father after he allegedly began receiving threats against the boy from Johnson.

http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2010/01/06/Car-in-Ariz-child-disappearance-recovered/UPI-92451262791824/


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 06, 2010, 11:36:16 AM
Authorities find car linked to missing Arizona baby

The car belonging to an Arizona mother whose son is missing was found Tuesday night at a South Side motel, but the child hasn't been found, authorities said.

The FBI and San Antonio police found Elizabeth Johnson's white 1995 Oldsmobile around 7 p.m. Tuesday at a Motel 6 in the 7900 block of Interstate 35 South near Zarzamora Road, said FBI spokesman Erik Vasys.

Authorities did not find anyone with the car, but they were searching for any information inside it that might lead them to 8-month-old Gabriel Johnson. It wasn't immediately known how long the car had been at the location or what evidence might have been found inside it.

Johnson, 23, was in San Antonio from Dec. 20-27 and stayed at two hotels. The child was last seen Dec. 26. Johnson left the city the next day for Miami Beach, Fla., where she was arrested Dec. 30 on a felony custodial interference warrant for failing to appear at a custody hearing in Maricopa County, Ariz., on Dec. 28. At the hearing, her custodial rights were revoked and full custody was given to Gabriel's father, Logan McQueary, 25.

Tempe, Ariz., police said McQueary knew Johnson was out of town with Gabriel but that he became concerned for his son's safety when he received threats against the boy from Johnson.

Anyone with information is asked to call the FBI at (210) 225-6741 or Tempe Police Department at (480) 350-8311

http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/Authorities_find_car_linked_to_missing_Arizona_baby.html


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 06, 2010, 11:46:52 AM
Where is Baby Gabriel? Arizona Woman Refuses to Help Police Find Missing Son
Infant Caught in Bizarre Custody Dispute; Mother Claims She Gave Baby to Couple in a Park

Two sets of parents caught up in a bizarre custody dispute are frantic with worry about a missing 8-month-old baby and are begging his mother to tell police the truth about what she did with him.

Gabriel Johnson's biological father, Logan McQueary, said he fears Elizabeth Johnson may have killed their son, despite the lack evidence. But a couple who had been in talks to adopt the baby are sticking by the Arizona mother, saying she hid Gabriel to protect him.

Tammi and Jack Smith told "Good Morning America" today that Johnson gave her baby to an unknown couple while on the run in San Antonio, Texas.

Johnson, 23, of Tempe, Ariz., disappeared before Christmas after McQueary refused to let her adopt out their son. She had lost custody of Gabriel after failing to appear at a Dec. 28 court hearing.

She was arrested Dec. 29 in Miami Beach for interfering with custody -- without Gabriel.

"What she is telling us is that she met a family, a Caucasian man and woman with no child -- young," Tammi Smith told "Good Morning America."

"And she met them in the park. And she was crying and distraught and they came up to her and said, 'How can we help you?'"

When pressed for details about the couple, Smith said Johnson didn't remember much despite having spent three days with them, just that the woman's first name was "Cheryl." Tammi Smith said Johnson told her she purposely tried not to focus on their car or last names so she wouldn't be tempted to change her mind and get her son back.

"She believed she was doing a closed adoption," Tammi Smith said.

In a jailhouse interview Tuesday with a Phoenix CBS affiliate, Johnson reiterated her claim that she had given Gabriel to a couple she met at a San Antonio Park.

"I made a hasty decision and I thought it was OK," she said. "They approached me. I was out alone with the baby at the park. I trusted them, I believe in my heart they are good people."

Johnson is scheduled to be extradited to Arizona this week.

Police have also questioned the Smiths and searched their home but found no clues to indicate where Gabriel might be.

Authorities have said witnesses last saw the child in San Antonio.

The FBI found Johnson's car in a San Antonio motel parking lot Tuesday night. According to ABC affiliate KNXV, investigators were combing the car for evidence but said there were no obvious signs of violence.

Father of Missing Baby Gabriel Fears Mother Killed Son
The Smiths have said she fled to keep the baby from McQueary.

McQueary, 25, said his fears for his son's life stem from a series of text messages he received from Johnson.

"She basically said, 'There is no way in hell you will see your son again,'" he said at a recent news conference. "She put in the text, 'I killed him."

Johnson has been interviewed at length by investigators but police said she refuses to tell them what happened to her child.

"She was confronted, arrested and interviewed exhaustively about the whereabouts of the child," Miami Beach Police Sgt. Wayne Jones said. "All we know at this point is Gabriel can be anywhere between San Antonio and Miami Beach."

McQueary said he last saw his son days before what would have been the baby's first Christmas.

"I gave him a kiss and put him in his bed and that was the last time I saw him," he said.

Tammi and Jack Smith said Johnson's story about the couple in the park sounds very similar to how they met her.

"We met in an airport. I saw her distraught and crying with a newborn baby," Tammi Smith said. "And that doesn't look like a mother that wants to be a mother."

Jack Smith admitted he thought the entire adoption process with Johnson "felt strange," but that they all lived nearby and they had bonded with the baby after keeping him for a couple of weeks in December.

McQueary has charged that the Smiths pressured him into giving up the rights to his child.

"When Gabriel disappeared they said, basically, 'You know, if you care about your son and you want him back, you will sign the paperwork and she will bring him back to us and you will know that he is safe,'" McQueary said.

The Smiths deny the accusation and said they were simply passing on that message from Johnson and that they told McQueary they knew such papers wouldn't hold up because he signed them under duress, though it might bring the baby back.

"The father and Jack and I were in constant contact when we found out Elizabeth fled with the baby," Tammi Smith said. "When we finally got to speak to Elizabeth, she was so angry with the whole situation and told me, 'I have one message to give to Logan.'"

That message, Smith said, was sign the papers and the baby will be brought back.

Anyone with information about Gabriel Johnson is asked to call the Tempe Police Department at 480-350-8311.

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/search-baby-gabriel-arizona-mother-refuses-police-find/story?id=9489263&page=2


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 06, 2010, 11:52:06 AM
Tammifay and Jack on GMA

http://abcnews.go.com/Video/playerIndex?id=9489519


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: bananas on January 06, 2010, 12:08:20 PM
Tammifay and Jack on GMA

http://abcnews.go.com/Video/playerIndex?id=9489519

Thanks Northern Rose... I had missed it when it aired.  To me, this mother is just weaving a story to lead everyone down a merry path of madness.  I don't believe her...... she would have given the baby's things and car seat to whoever she gave the baby to..... poor little boy.... I fear the worst... and it is heartbreaking to think it.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: no rose colored glasses on January 06, 2010, 12:18:59 PM
Good Morning Monkeys and Guest!

I was several pages behind and finally caught up.What young mother has not been upset and tired and overwhelmed with an infant at some point? What would make this Tammi faye jump to the conclusion, at an airport, hey that woman does not want that baby, geesh, I will go ask her to give her child to me. That woman needs her azz thrown in jail. She ain't mother of the year material herself.
 I don't think lil Gab is still alive. If she gave him to someone she would have given them the car seat and everything else. Hit her a time or two with a Taser and she just might spill the beans.
 What gives people the right to play God with other peoples lives especially a tiny child? If you do not want a baby, keep your panties up or for God's sake take birth control . There is no excuse for having an unwanted pregnancy. It just makes me so damn angry how people mistreat children I could just scream.
Sorry for the rant. God Bless the little ones!
I could just scream also. All the times I looked stressed, exhausted, upset, when my kids were little, not once did some strange woman come up to me and ask if she could adopt them  ::MonkeyEek:: This story just stinks of nonsense. I'm afraid Gabriel is no longer alive also, otherwise why would she not have given the people the car seat, and what random couple would just take a child like that, unless for some bad intentions perhaps  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 06, 2010, 12:23:23 PM
FBI Took surveillance video from the Hotel 6.  Nothing showing car dropped off on hotel video.  (video)
http://www.kens5.com/news/national/80769767.html


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: no rose colored glasses on January 06, 2010, 12:24:58 PM
Tammi Faye is on a mission to get a child no matter what, she looks bat sh!t crazy, and I'm not real sure what to think about the husband except he is going along with Tammi's obsession. They need to shut up and talk to LE, not Good Morning America or any other show.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: darla on January 06, 2010, 12:30:35 PM
I think CPS needs to be checking on Tammi's household. Isn't there a small child there?


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: no rose colored glasses on January 06, 2010, 12:33:27 PM
I think CPS needs to be checking on Tammi's household. Isn't there a small child there?
There is a cute little red haired girl, that the Smiths adopted.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: no rose colored glasses on January 06, 2010, 12:35:20 PM
Gabriel Johnson's biological father, Logan McQueary, said he fears Elizabeth Johnson may have killed their son, despite the lack evidence. But a couple who had been in talks to adopt the baby are sticking by the Arizona mother, saying she hid Gabriel to protect him.   ::MonkeyNoNo:: Protecting Gabriel from what, the father? Yes, the father has a record, but I haven't seen anything so far that would show he would hurt the baby.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 06, 2010, 12:35:23 PM
I think CPS needs to be checking on Tammi's household. Isn't there a small child there?

Yes.  The adopted their granddaughter Hannah.  Yesterday I posted a message from Tammi's FB that says they are Foster Parents   ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: darla on January 06, 2010, 12:36:30 PM
The link That Northern posted about the tapes where the car was found,....it was stated that she stayed at two other motels. Did anyone see the baby with her at either of these motels? Has It been released if they did?


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 06, 2010, 12:41:55 PM
Gabriel Johnson's biological father, Logan McQueary, said he fears Elizabeth Johnson may have killed their son, despite the lack evidence. But a couple who had been in talks to adopt the baby are sticking by the Arizona mother, saying she hid Gabriel to protect him.   ::MonkeyNoNo:: Protecting Gabriel from what, the father? Yes, the father has a record, but I haven't seen anything so far that would show he would hurt the baby.

Tammi's story has sure softened and changed on GMA today.  Yes, Logan has a record.  Elizabeth does as well.  Elizabeth is the one that destroyed the crib and cut up and torn up Gabe's baby clothes with Gabriel in the room.  Now who would you be concerned with about harming Gabe?


Notice on EJ's myspace there is a message right under Tammi's from her Friend Vanessa from Boston.  She clearly told her friend she has a a new life. 

Police say she took a bus on Dec 27.  It takes more than one day to go by bus from San Antonio to Miami Beach I would think.  This would lead me to believe that EJ sent Vanessa a message prior to Dec 27 about this new life of hers and after Dec 21st (which is the other message from Vanessa).  That new life message would have been sent after EJ left for San Antonio.  I hope the FBI can trace where that message was sent from.

http://www.myspace.com/elizj86
 


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 06, 2010, 12:43:38 PM
The link That Northern posted about the tapes where the car was found,....it was stated that she stayed at two other motels. Did anyone see the baby with her at either of these motels? Has It been released if they did?

Nothing has been said specifically.  All that has been said is that she did not officially check out of either hotel that she stayed at. 


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: darla on January 06, 2010, 12:46:01 PM
Northern, I took a bus from S.C. to Tx and it took 2 days to get there. I just feel they will find Gabe somewhere in SA . I hope they have checked dumpsters in that area.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 06, 2010, 12:49:36 PM
Elizabeth Joanne  Johnson   DOB: 7/24/1986
Warrant Case: F09041920

Logan Scott  McQueary    McQueary, Logan - DOB: 1/2/1985


Bumping this for anyone new to this case.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: no rose colored glasses on January 06, 2010, 12:50:13 PM
Gabriel Johnson's biological father, Logan McQueary, said he fears Elizabeth Johnson may have killed their son, despite the lack evidence. But a couple who had been in talks to adopt the baby are sticking by the Arizona mother, saying she hid Gabriel to protect him.   ::MonkeyNoNo:: Protecting Gabriel from what, the father? Yes, the father has a record, but I haven't seen anything so far that would show he would hurt the baby.

Tammi's story has sure softened and changed on GMA today.  Yes, Logan has a record.  Elizabeth does as well.  Elizabeth is the one that destroyed the crib and cut up and torn up Gabe's baby clothes with Gabriel in the room.  Now who would you be concerned with about harming Gabe?


Notice on EJ's myspace there is a message right under Tammi's from her Friend Vanessa from Boston.  She clearly told her friend she has a a new life. 

Police say she took a bus on Dec 27.  It takes more than one day to go by bus from San Antonio to Miami Beach I would think.  This would lead me to believe that EJ sent Vanessa a message prior to Dec 27 about this new life of hers and after Dec 21st (which is the other message from Vanessa).  That new life message would have been sent after EJ left for San Antonio.  I hope the FBI can trace where that message was sent from.

http://www.myspace.com/elizj86
 

Interesting. So lets just say that there is some underground adoption scenario, what does Tammi Faye get out of that? Tammi looks like the type that would have to get something in return for setting Elizabeth up with some couple in a park. If this is what happened, which I doubt seriously, how much money changed hands? I'm sure Tammi didn't do this from the goodness of her heart  ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 06, 2010, 12:54:07 PM
Northern, I took a bus from S.C. to Tx and it took 2 days to get there. I just feel they will find Gabe somewhere in SA . I hope they have checked dumpsters in that area.

I hope you are right.  I would think that if Gabe was still in San Antonio and if a couple has him that they would have come forward by now. Unless someone did actually hook up Elizabeth with a underground network that Tammi references in his facebook.  I still want to know how Elizabeth payed for this trip in her Grandpa's car and the bus ticket when she was not working at all, Logan was the sole income and she kicked Logan out on Dec 8?  If any of the money leads back to Tammi she needs to be jailed.  Did you see my post about the bus station? 


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: darla on January 06, 2010, 12:57:59 PM
The one about the Tornado bus line in Spanish? I have never heard of that bus line before and have never seen one in this area.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: no rose colored glasses on January 06, 2010, 12:58:47 PM
If Elizabeth spent three days with this couple from the park, surely she could give a description, and someone could throw together a composite sketch of the mysterious couple.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 06, 2010, 01:00:38 PM
Gabriel Johnson's biological father, Logan McQueary, said he fears Elizabeth Johnson may have killed their son, despite the lack evidence. But a couple who had been in talks to adopt the baby are sticking by the Arizona mother, saying she hid Gabriel to protect him.   ::MonkeyNoNo:: Protecting Gabriel from what, the father? Yes, the father has a record, but I haven't seen anything so far that would show he would hurt the baby.

Tammi's story has sure softened and changed on GMA today.  Yes, Logan has a record.  Elizabeth does as well.  Elizabeth is the one that destroyed the crib and cut up and torn up Gabe's baby clothes with Gabriel in the room.  Now who would you be concerned with about harming Gabe?


Notice on EJ's myspace there is a message right under Tammi's from her Friend Vanessa from Boston.  She clearly told her friend she has a a new life. 

Police say she took a bus on Dec 27.  It takes more than one day to go by bus from San Antonio to Miami Beach I would think.  This would lead me to believe that EJ sent Vanessa a message prior to Dec 27 about this new life of hers and after Dec 21st (which is the other message from Vanessa).  That new life message would have been sent after EJ left for San Antonio.  I hope the FBI can trace where that message was sent from.

http://www.myspace.com/elizj86
 

Interesting. So lets just say that there is some underground adoption scenario, what does Tammi Faye get out of that? Tammi looks like the type that would have to get something in return for setting Elizabeth up with some couple in a park. If this is what happened, which I doubt seriously, how much money changed hands? I'm sure Tammi didn't do this from the goodness of her heart  ::MonkeyEek::

No way did Tammi get involved without getting a baby out of it.  Her post about looking for a surrogate mother, her messages on Facebook about finally finding a brother for Hannah.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: no rose colored glasses on January 06, 2010, 01:01:40 PM
Agreed, this Tammi is on a mission. Has there been any interviews by LE with her grown children?


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 06, 2010, 01:01:55 PM
If Elizabeth spent three days with this couple from the park, surely she could give a description, and someone could throw together a composite sketch of the mysterious couple.

If she spent 3 days with this couple why did she need to rent a room in two seperate hotels over 5 days?


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: darla on January 06, 2010, 01:02:00 PM
Northern, I took a bus from S.C. to Tx and it took 2 days to get there. I just feel they will find Gabe somewhere in SA . I hope they have checked dumpsters in that area.

I hope you are right.  I would think that if Gabe was still in San Antonio and if a couple has him that they would have come forward by now. Unless someone did actually hook up Elizabeth with a underground network that Tammi references in his facebook.  I still want to know how Elizabeth payed for this trip in her Grandpa's car and the bus ticket when she was not working at all, Logan was the sole income and she kicked Logan out on Dec 8?  If any of the money leads back to Tammi she needs to be jailed.  Did you see my post about the bus station? 






Yes someone had to bankroll her trip. She had to have gas and food. And Most motels you have to pay in advance .  My memory is not the best in the world, But do they have a credible siting of Gabe in SA.? or just EJ saying they were in the park.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 06, 2010, 01:04:17 PM
The one about the Tornado bus line in Spanish? I have never heard of that bus line before and have never seen one in this area.

Yes that one.  Was hoping you knew Spanish 


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 06, 2010, 01:05:23 PM
Agreed, this Tammi is on a mission. Has there been any interviews by LE with her grown children?

Nope.  There are pictures of them in a bubble bath with Tammi on her myspace though.   ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: no rose colored glasses on January 06, 2010, 01:06:09 PM
If Elizabeth spent three days with this couple from the park, surely she could give a description, and someone could throw together a composite sketch of the mysterious couple.

If she spent 3 days with this couple why did she need to rent a room in two seperate hotels over 5 days?
  She wouldn't have had to.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: no rose colored glasses on January 06, 2010, 01:06:37 PM
Agreed, this Tammi is on a mission. Has there been any interviews by LE with her grown children?

Nope.  There are pictures of them in a bubble bath with Tammi on her myspace though.   ::MonkeyNoNo::
  ::MonkeyEek:: Excuse me  ::MonkeyShocked::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: darla on January 06, 2010, 01:07:49 PM
The one about the Tornado bus line in Spanish? I have never heard of that bus line before and have never seen one in this area.

Yes that one.  Was hoping you knew Spanish 



Nope Sorry. If my grandson comes by, He knows Spanish and will get him to translate.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 06, 2010, 01:08:33 PM
Northern, I took a bus from S.C. to Tx and it took 2 days to get there. I just feel they will find Gabe somewhere in SA . I hope they have checked dumpsters in that area.

I hope you are right.  I would think that if Gabe was still in San Antonio and if a couple has him that they would have come forward by now. Unless someone did actually hook up Elizabeth with a underground network that Tammi references in his facebook.  I still want to know how Elizabeth payed for this trip in her Grandpa's car and the bus ticket when she was not working at all, Logan was the sole income and she kicked Logan out on Dec 8?  If any of the money leads back to Tammi she needs to be jailed.  Did you see my post about the bus station? 






Yes someone had to bankroll her trip. She had to have gas and food. And Most motels you have to pay in advance .  My memory is not the best in the world, But do they have a credible siting of Gabe in SA.? or just EJ saying they were in the park.

I have travelled a lot for work.  All hotels I have ever stayed at will not let you check in without a credit card even if you do pay cash for the room when you check out.  They preauthorize the amount for your stay and then do not charge it till you check out (or skip out), or cancel the  preauthorization when you pay in another way.  I do not understand how she checked into two hotels without a credit card. 

They do have a credible sighting of Gabe in a park. 


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 06, 2010, 01:10:51 PM
Agreed, this Tammi is on a mission. Has there been any interviews by LE with her grown children?

Nope.  There are pictures of them in a bubble bath with Tammi on her myspace though.   ::MonkeyNoNo::
  ::MonkeyEek:: Excuse me  ::MonkeyShocked::

Oh ya...a whole friggin album full of them. If you login to myspace her profile is not private.  You just have to be logged in to see it all. 

http://www.myspace.com/tammifay


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 06, 2010, 01:13:13 PM
If Elizabeth spent three days with this couple from the park, surely she could give a description, and someone could throw together a composite sketch of the mysterious couple.

If she spent 3 days with this couple why did she need to rent a room in two seperate hotels over 5 days?
  She wouldn't have had to.

Exactly.  Yet another reason to believe what comes out of Tammi's mouth is more full of Sh*t then what she flushes with her business.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: no rose colored glasses on January 06, 2010, 01:13:40 PM
I don't know how to log into myspace, but I'm just trying to figure out why she would post those kind of pictures  ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: no rose colored glasses on January 06, 2010, 01:15:25 PM
If Elizabeth spent three days with this couple from the park, surely she could give a description, and someone could throw together a composite sketch of the mysterious couple.

If she spent 3 days with this couple why did she need to rent a room in two seperate hotels over 5 days?
  She wouldn't have had to.

Exactly.  Yet another reason to believe what comes out of Tammi's mouth is more full of Sh*t then what she flushes with her business.
I think she has had one to many flushing outs, all common sense is gone completely.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 06, 2010, 01:27:32 PM
I don't know how to log into myspace, but I'm just trying to figure out why she would post those kind of pictures  ::MonkeyEek::

Here are some of them.  I have blanked out her kids faces as I have no idea how old they were when these were taken.



Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: no rose colored glasses on January 06, 2010, 01:29:29 PM
Thank-you for the bath tub pictures  ::MonkeyEek:: I'm at a loss for words


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 06, 2010, 01:33:14 PM
Her older kids profiles say they live in Louisiana. Maybe she had a huge case of empty nest syndrome?


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 06, 2010, 01:39:31 PM
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Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 06, 2010, 01:42:31 PM
I think CPS needs to be checking on Tammi's household. Isn't there a small child there?

About me:
I am a mother of three amazing teenagers who love God! I am raising my step-daughter's baby (Hannah)who we have adopted, that we've had since birth. I have the most wonderful husband that God could ever bless me with. I have a great carreer. I love helping people, this is what my purpose is in life, God's greater purpose for me...... I am a colon hydro therapist. I clean out my patient's colons so that they can feel better and get on track with the recovery process from symptoms in the body. It will also help aleviate a vast majority of diseases and disorders. I take all patients on the request of their Physician. We work together in the process of total body detox and recovery.

http://www.myspace.com/tammifay


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: mymonkey on January 06, 2010, 01:44:07 PM
I don't know how to log into myspace, but I'm just trying to figure out why she would post those kind of pictures  ::MonkeyEek::

Here are some of them.  I have blanked out her kids faces as I have no idea how old they were when these were taken.



All I can say is I love my dog a lot.... a whole lot....., but I have never taken a bubble bath with him ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: no rose colored glasses on January 06, 2010, 01:45:40 PM
First of all I've never heard of a Nationally Board Certified Colon Hydrotherapy Instructor, fancy way of saying enema. She must have a lucrative business since she has several shops. Does her husband do this also? Well, she does go to Mexico, whether it is on vacations, or for her business  ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: no rose colored glasses on January 06, 2010, 01:46:48 PM
I don't know how to log into myspace, but I'm just trying to figure out why she would post those kind of pictures  ::MonkeyEek::

Here are some of them.  I have blanked out her kids faces as I have no idea how old they were when these were taken.



All I can say is I love my dog a lot.... a whole lot....., but I have never taken a bubble bath with him ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::
No, me either, and evidently she didn't read the label on the bubble bath.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 06, 2010, 01:47:02 PM
I don't know how to log into myspace, but I'm just trying to figure out why she would post those kind of pictures  ::MonkeyEek::

Here are some of them.  I have blanked out her kids faces as I have no idea how old they were when these were taken.



All I can say is I love my dog a lot.... a whole lot....., but I have never taken a bubble bath with him ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

I know what you mean.  There is no way I would get any of my boys in a bath with me after the age of 5.  Her son is in there with her.  She does post images where the girls are wearing tiny bathing suits, however this is just wrong to post on MS IMO. 


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 06, 2010, 01:48:27 PM
First of all I've never heard of a Nationally Board Certified Colon Hydrotherapy Instructor, fancy way of saying enema. She must have a lucrative business since she has several shops. Does her husband do this also? Well, she does go to Mexico, whether it is on vacations, or for her business  ::MonkeyEek::

Jack is listed on the business and his image is on the business Myspace profile.  He used to play slide guitar for a band.  I have to go back to find it on Facebook. 


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: darla on January 06, 2010, 01:51:42 PM
Her older kids profiles say they live in Louisiana. Maybe she had a huge case of empty nest syndrome?



Didn't I read a few pages back that her ex raised her kids in Louisiana?And she didn't see them for years or am I thinking of someone else? My one brain cell is misfiring today.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 06, 2010, 01:53:32 PM
Her older kids profiles say they live in Louisiana. Maybe she had a huge case of empty nest syndrome?



Didn't I read a few pages back that her ex raised her kids in Louisiana?And she didn't see them for years or am I thinking of someone else? My one brain cell is misfiring today.

You are right.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 06, 2010, 01:54:45 PM
New interview with Jack and Tammi.

http://www.youtube.com/v/BUyO-gU-qgA&hl=en_US&fs=1&


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Monkey with Class on January 06, 2010, 01:59:27 PM
Gabriel Johnson's biological father, Logan McQueary, said he fears Elizabeth Johnson may have killed their son, despite the lack evidence. But a couple who had been in talks to adopt the baby are sticking by the Arizona mother, saying she hid Gabriel to protect him.   ::MonkeyNoNo:: Protecting Gabriel from what, the father? Yes, the father has a record, but I haven't seen anything so far that would show he would hurt the baby.

I fear the worse also.....  But...  Why don't LE follow along with her game and have the father sign some dummy papers to convince her that he signed his right away.  Then give her a day or two to continue her story.  If Gab is alive, she may tell where he is.   But I would at least try to call her bluff by something similar to this.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: mymonkey on January 06, 2010, 02:03:15 PM
I am still pondering on" Ms. Pooper Scoopers " dog in the bubble bath...wonder what breed he is I know my dog would be splashing and splattering so you could not get his picture..My doggie prefers ::MonkeyWink:: a shower ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: mymonkey on January 06, 2010, 02:05:47 PM
Gabriel Johnson's biological father, Logan McQueary, said he fears Elizabeth Johnson may have killed their son, despite the lack evidence. But a couple who had been in talks to adopt the baby are sticking by the Arizona mother, saying she hid Gabriel to protect him.   ::MonkeyNoNo:: Protecting Gabriel from what, the father? Yes, the father has a record, but I haven't seen anything so far that would show he would hurt the baby.

I fear the worse also.....  But...  Why don't LE follow along with her game and have the father sign some dummy papers to convince her that he signed his right away.  Then give her a day or two to continue her story.  If Gab is alive, she may tell where he is.   But I would at least try to call her bluff by something similar to this.

You know this is what pizzes me off we have a baby location unknown or if the little guy is alive ....and his mother can play cat and mouse  games ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: mymonkey on January 06, 2010, 02:10:04 PM
Her older kids profiles say they live in Louisiana. Maybe she had a huge case of empty nest syndrome?



Didn't I read a few pages back that her ex raised her kids in Louisiana?And she didn't see them for years or am I thinking of someone else? My one brain cell is misfiring today.

You are right.

I read  she signed full custody over to the father because he was turning them against her.....and also her own mother called the father to come and get the kids from her house...I will try to find where I read all that BS and bring it over.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: no rose colored glasses on January 06, 2010, 02:10:11 PM
Tammi is sure enjoying all this media exposure.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 06, 2010, 02:12:23 PM
Her older kids profiles say they live in Louisiana. Maybe she had a huge case of empty nest syndrome?



Didn't I read a few pages back that her ex raised her kids in Louisiana?And she didn't see them for years or am I thinking of someone else? My one brain cell is misfiring today.

You are right.

I read  she signed full custody over to the father because he was turning them against her.....and also her own mother called the father to come and get the kids from her house...I will try to find where I read all that BS and bring it over.

That is from her Cafemom blog.  I have the full post and link on here along with the name of the book she is writting.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 06, 2010, 02:14:09 PM
tammifay's Journal

Hi, my name is Tammi Fay Peters Smith. I'm from Phoenix, AZ.   I got married at 16 years of age to escape a horrific childhood.  On my journey into adulthood I found myself divorced and re-married by the time I was 18 years old.  I married a man much, much older than me and ended up having 3 wonderful children with him.  It just so happened that because of my childhood abuse, my new husband felt that he could abuse me in the same way that my father did.   No child or woman should ever have to endure that!  He also would leave me home with no money and no car.  I wasn't allowed to leave the house.  If my kids needed to go to the Dr. I had to push them in the stroller.  So, I began to become clinically depressed.  I had what they call Post  Traumatic Stress Disorder.  I tried to leave my husband, but he threatened to never let me see my kids again if I left him.  He said, "who's gonna help you, your druggie mom on welfare?"  So I didn't leave him.  Eventually he got tired of hearing me cry that I wanted to leave so he had a Dr. put me on Prozac!  Over six months time they had me taking tranquilizers, anti depressants, anti psychotics, etc. and he got a free ride with me...didn't have to rape me anymore, I was oblivious to anything, even my kids!  Very sad (for my kids especially) I know.   One day after trying to commit suicide on all those drugs, God reminded me that he was still there and he loved me.   So I figured out a way to wean myself off without him knowing.  That meant I would have to have sex with him willingly without a fight every day.  Eventually I was clear headed enough to realize what he had done to me.  So one morning after he left for work, I took my kids and left him to go back home to Arizona.  After having my kids for a few weeks in Arizona, my mom gave them to him so that we would not have to live with her any longer.  It took me almost a year to find my kids after that.  Long story short, I fought for the rights to see my kids for over 5 years.  Finally, I got joint custody.  But once again, he won!  The judge in Louisiana never made him hand over the kids every time it was my visitation.  It hurt my kids so bad because he would tell them I didn't love them enough to come see them when I would be there waiting every time.  Eventually, I realized that me being in their life was killing them because they were treated horribly for loving me and hugging me.  I finally signed over custody of my kids to him and his new wife.  My kids found me 2 years ago and we are able to talk via Myspace.com, and I visit them about every 3 months.  I since adopted a sweet little girl named Hannah Grace.  I believe she is God's grace to me.  As all I ever wanted since I was a little girl was to have lots of kids to love.  I am so happy to have all 4 kids in my life as well as all my kids in Africa.  I thank God for my journey and I pray that my children will use this as a tool to help others with their lives since they have been through so much with our divorce............If you are interest in the whole detailed story, please add me as a friend and let me know.  I'm still finishing my book!  It's called:  "The Silenced Truth"

http://www.cafemom.com/journals/read/1143907/Who_am_I

BUMP


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: mymonkey on January 06, 2010, 02:17:25 PM
tammifay's Journal

Hi, my name is Tammi Fay Peters Smith. I'm from Phoenix, AZ.   I got married at 16 years of age to escape a horrific childhood.  On my journey into adulthood I found myself divorced and re-married by the time I was 18 years old.  I married a man much, much older than me and ended up having 3 wonderful children with him.  It just so happened that because of my childhood abuse, my new husband felt that he could abuse me in the same way that my father did.   No child or woman should ever have to endure that!  He also would leave me home with no money and no car.  I wasn't allowed to leave the house.  If my kids needed to go to the Dr. I had to push them in the stroller.  So, I began to become clinically depressed.  I had what they call Post  Traumatic Stress Disorder.  I tried to leave my husband, but he threatened to never let me see my kids again if I left him.  He said, "who's gonna help you, your druggie mom on welfare?"  So I didn't leave him.  Eventually he got tired of hearing me cry that I wanted to leave so he had a Dr. put me on Prozac!  Over six months time they had me taking tranquilizers, anti depressants, anti psychotics, etc. and he got a free ride with me...didn't have to rape me anymore, I was oblivious to anything, even my kids!  Very sad (for my kids especially) I know.   One day after trying to commit suicide on all those drugs, God reminded me that he was still there and he loved me.   So I figured out a way to wean myself off without him knowing.  That meant I would have to have sex with him willingly without a fight every day.  Eventually I was clear headed enough to realize what he had done to me.  So one morning after he left for work, I took my kids and left him to go back home to Arizona.  After having my kids for a few weeks in Arizona, my mom gave them to him so that we would not have to live with her any longer.  It took me almost a year to find my kids after that.  Long story short, I fought for the rights to see my kids for over 5 years.  Finally, I got joint custody.  But once again, he won!  The judge in Louisiana never made him hand over the kids every time it was my visitation.  It hurt my kids so bad because he would tell them I didn't love them enough to come see them when I would be there waiting every time.  Eventually, I realized that me being in their life was killing them because they were treated horribly for loving me and hugging me.  I finally signed over custody of my kids to him and his new wife.  My kids found me 2 years ago and we are able to talk via Myspace.com, and I visit them about every 3 months.  I since adopted a sweet little girl named Hannah Grace.  I believe she is God's grace to me.  As all I ever wanted since I was a little girl was to have lots of kids to love.  I am so happy to have all 4 kids in my life as well as all my kids in Africa.  I thank God for my journey and I pray that my children will use this as a tool to help others with their lives since they have been through so much with our divorce............If you are interest in the whole detailed story, please add me as a friend and let me know.  I'm still finishing my book!  It's called:  "The Silenced Truth"

http://www.cafemom.com/journals/read/1143907/Who_am_I


Here it explains her exuses...Thank you Northern Rose


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: no rose colored glasses on January 06, 2010, 02:17:59 PM
She must do missionary work through her church, because she mentions all her kids in Africa.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Monkey with Class on January 06, 2010, 02:19:35 PM
The one about the Tornado bus line in Spanish? I have never heard of that bus line before and have never seen one in this area.

Yes that one.  Was hoping you knew Spanish 



Nope Sorry. If my grandson comes by, He knows Spanish and will get him to translate.

There are online translation sites.   Here is one.
http://www.spanishdict.com/translation

----------- Machine Translation ----------------
Travel comfortable, sure and promptly with Tornado Bus Company. Our record in both markets, experience and prestige support us extensively in all the cities that we serve. With us you can travel to any point in Mexico, since the United States; since, we include the best system of connections with the main shipping companies in Mexico. When I stick this into Google translator it says: Travel comfortable, safe and timely manner with Tornado Bus Company. Our record in both markets, experience and prestige largely behind us in every city we serves. With us you can travel anywhere in Mexico from the United States because we have the best system of connections to major transportation companies in Mexico.

----------- Original Text ----------------
Viaje cómodo, seguro y puntualmente con Tornado Bus Company. Nuestro historial en ambos mercados, experiencia y prestigio nos respaldan ampliamente en todas las ciudades que servimos. Con nosotros usted puede viajar a cualquier punto en México, desde los Estados Unidos; ya que, contamos con el mejor sistema de conexiones con las principales empresas de transporte en México. When I stick this into Google translator it says: Travel comfortable, safe and timely manner with Tornado Bus Company. Our record in both markets, experience and prestige largely behind us in every city we serve. With us you can travel anywhere in Mexico from the United States because we have the best system of connections to major transportation companies in Mexico.




Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: mymonkey on January 06, 2010, 02:22:22 PM
For her to be such a loving person  ::MonkeyNoNo::how could she walk away from her children...I  think she has some mental issues. ::MonkeyNoNo::




Northern Rose   You are a great reporter...You always keep us up to date.Thank you!!!!!


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 06, 2010, 02:22:22 PM
First of all I've never heard of a Nationally Board Certified Colon Hydrotherapy Instructor, fancy way of saying enema. She must have a lucrative business since she has several shops. Does her husband do this also? Well, she does go to Mexico, whether it is on vacations, or for her business  ::MonkeyEek::

Jack is listed on the business and his image is on the business Myspace profile.  He used to play slide guitar for a band.  I have to go back to find it on Facebook. 

Jack used to play steel guitar with Country music legend Bill Anderson.  Sorry took me a while to find it.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 06, 2010, 02:29:00 PM
First of all I've never heard of a Nationally Board Certified Colon Hydrotherapy Instructor, fancy way of saying enema. She must have a lucrative business since she has several shops. Does her husband do this also? Well, she does go to Mexico, whether it is on vacations, or for her business  ::MonkeyEek::

The whole Mexico thing is scaring me.  Tammi goes to Mexico quite often, Tammi references "Underground help" for EJ, and the only bus terminal close to where the car was ditched is a line that goes straight into Mexico. 


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: darla on January 06, 2010, 02:31:13 PM
Lookee See ....what I found in her my space pics. This is one of her spas. Who knew enema's paid this much!


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 06, 2010, 02:32:03 PM
She must do missionary work through her church, because she mentions all her kids in Africa.

She is connected on MS and FB to children's organizations.  The Africa work is through Children Without a Voice USA.  She has images of all her "children" posted. 


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 06, 2010, 02:33:20 PM
Lookee See ....what I found in her my space pics. This is one of her spas. Who knew enema's paid this much!

When you are as full of sh*t as she is, they you have a lot to sell!   ::MonkeyJnBox::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 06, 2010, 02:34:21 PM
For her to be such a loving person  ::MonkeyNoNo::how could she walk away from her children...I  think she has some mental issues. ::MonkeyNoNo::




Northern Rose   You are a great reporter...You always keep us up to date.Thank you!!!!!

Thanks my monkey. 


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: darla on January 06, 2010, 02:34:52 PM
Did you guys see the pics of the new house? Somebody has money in that family.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 06, 2010, 02:36:30 PM
Katrina Missing or Found Person:
TAMMI SMITH from NASHVILLE,TENNESSEE

Name: TAMMI SMITH

Home address:

NASHVILLE,TENNESSEE,
Originally posted:
At: wecaretexas_com
On: Sep 15, 2005
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TAMMI FAY PETERS SMITH Mother's Name: JANIS S. COUVILLION Father's Name: ROBIN A. PETERS Sex: F Date of Birth: 3.12.1972 Place of Birth: PHOENIX,AZ.
 
http://tammi-smith.katrina.aidpage.com/


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 06, 2010, 02:37:29 PM
Did you guys see the pics of the new house? Somebody has money in that family.

I found the papers to that , it was just over $500k.  I will post them in a bit.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 06, 2010, 02:48:55 PM
Did you guys see the pics of the new house? Somebody has money in that family.

I found the papers to that , it was just over $500k.  I will post them in a bit.

Here they are.  Check out the terms of payment.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: mymonkey on January 06, 2010, 02:51:16 PM
First of all I've never heard of a Nationally Board Certified Colon Hydrotherapy Instructor, fancy way of saying enema. She must have a lucrative business since she has several shops. Does her husband do this also? Well, she does go to Mexico, whether it is on vacations, or for her business  ::MonkeyEek::

Jack is listed on the business and his image is on the business Myspace profile.  He used to play slide guitar for a band.  I have to go back to find it on Facebook. 

Jack used to play steel guitar with Country music legend Bill Anderson.  Sorry took me a while to find it.

I do have to admit after I had a colonoscopy...I felt good for a few  days more energy than I had in years guess being  full of crap boggs  one down ::MonkeyDevil:: ::MonkeyDevil::.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 06, 2010, 02:54:51 PM
At 9:18pm on December 15, 2008, Tammi Smith said… We actually just did insems a few minutes ago! If you need anything, .let me know. Good Luck, Tammi

At 7:36pm on November 25, 2008, Tammi Smith said… I'm here to help you any way I can!

At 5:01pm on November 25, 2008, Tammi Smith said… That doesn't cover surrogacy at all, just so you know.

At 4:46pm on November 25, 2008, Tammi Smith said… What is the name of your insurance underwriter?


At 4:38pm on November 25, 2008, Tammi Smith said… They might be related, but not part of the group. That's cool! Anyway TS means Traditional Surrogate. Meaning you are using your egg and being (AI) artificially insiminated. Hope that helps!

At 4:11pm on November 25, 2008, Tammi Smith said… Where at in Kentucky? We moved from Nashvill,Tn to Arizona a year and a half ago. We know a lot of people in Kentucky. Have you heard of The Crabb Family? They are a Southern Gospel group out of KY. Are you willing to be AI and do a TS? Tammi

http://www.surrogatemother.com/profiles/comment/list?attachedToType=User&attachedTo=16obw58v7qqjm


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 06, 2010, 03:00:49 PM
http://www.surrogatemother.com/forum/topics/looking-for-a-couple-who-cant?commentId=1955157%3AComment%3A21811

Reply by Tammi Smith on November 21, 2008 at 1:40am
Are you willing to do a TS? What state do you live in? We have been looking for a while!!! My 3 year old daughter is getting very antsy wondering when her new baby sister or brother will come, lol.....I do missions in Africa but they won't let anyone outside africa to adopt! So we are going the surrogate route since I had an emergancy hysterioectomy about 10 years ago (age 26). Please email or call us at (xxx-xxx-xxxx) info@healingwatersaz.com


http://www.surrogatemother.com/profile/TammiSmith
Tammi Smith's Page


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: no rose colored glasses on January 06, 2010, 03:03:18 PM
First of all I've never heard of a Nationally Board Certified Colon Hydrotherapy Instructor, fancy way of saying enema. She must have a lucrative business since she has several shops. Does her husband do this also? Well, she does go to Mexico, whether it is on vacations, or for her business  ::MonkeyEek::

The whole Mexico thing is scaring me.  Tammi goes to Mexico quite often, Tammi references "Underground help" for EJ, and the only bus terminal close to where the car was ditched is a line that goes straight into Mexico. 
That is frightening  ::MonkeyEek:: I just don't get this underground help, and the need for it in this case.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: no rose colored glasses on January 06, 2010, 03:04:41 PM
Lookee See ....what I found in her my space pics. This is one of her spas. Who knew enema's paid this much!
  ::MonkeyEek:: And look at the name, Dolce. I think this bs is used for weight loss, I've been to several gastro doctors over the years, and not one of them suggested this.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: no rose colored glasses on January 06, 2010, 03:05:17 PM
She must do missionary work through her church, because she mentions all her kids in Africa.

She is connected on MS and FB to children's organizations.  The Africa work is through Children Without a Voice USA.  She has images of all her "children" posted. 
Thank-you


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: no rose colored glasses on January 06, 2010, 03:06:10 PM
Did you guys see the pics of the new house? Somebody has money in that family.
No I have not, but her business is bringing her in a bundle I guess.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Monkey with Class on January 06, 2010, 03:07:11 PM
Is there a way to check on passports issued within a certain period of time?  Or any other documentation that the Bus Company would need to take people into Mexico?  With Gab being so young, I am sure someone would have to accompanied him on the bus?  Just brainstorming about the specualtion of what is needed to get into mexico.   If there is a way to check paperwork, perhaps more clues can then be persued.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 06, 2010, 03:08:07 PM
At 1:05pm on November 15, 2008, Tammi Smith said… Hi Jennifer, We are looking for a traditional Surrogacy. Are you up for that? We live in Arizona and have a 3 1/2 year old daughter. We adopted her at 4 months old. We want another child desperately and she realy wants a sibling. You can call us at (XXX-XXX-XXXX) or email me at info@healingwatersaz.com Thank you and God Bless, Tammi

At 11:58pm on November 15, 2008, Tammi Smith said… Would you like to send me your phone number so I can call you, or you can call me at (xxx-xxx-xxxx). And how does your boyfriend feel about this? Also, have you ever had any children before? Thanks so much, can't wait to talk over the phone!

At 12:59am on November 19, 2008, Tammi Smith said… Are you realy interested??? You can reach me at (xxx-xxx-xxxx). Or email me your phone #.....

At 10:25am on November 19, 2008, Tammi Smith said… Thanks Jennifer for getting back with me. We have a few surrogate's in mind, but I would like to talk to you as well, so as soon as you get a phone, please call me. Also, If you are willing to travel that would be awesome! You could live with us most of the pregnacy!

http://www.surrogatemother.com/profile/Jennifer91


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: mymonkey on January 06, 2010, 03:09:52 PM
Lookee See ....what I found in her my space pics. This is one of her spas. Who knew enema's paid this much!
  ::MonkeyEek:: And look at the name, Dolce. I think this bs is used for weight loss, I've been to several gastro doctors over the years, and not one of them suggested this.

lol Dolce jumped out  at me also....I know the hollywood crowd gets colon douches because I remember Carman Electria talking about it a few years ago on her reality show..she was getting one before her wedding day...sadly that marriage ended in divorce.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: no rose colored glasses on January 06, 2010, 03:09:56 PM
First of all I've never heard of a Nationally Board Certified Colon Hydrotherapy Instructor, fancy way of saying enema. She must have a lucrative business since she has several shops. Does her husband do this also? Well, she does go to Mexico, whether it is on vacations, or for her business  ::MonkeyEek::

Jack is listed on the business and his image is on the business Myspace profile.  He used to play slide guitar for a band.  I have to go back to find it on Facebook. 

Jack used to play steel guitar with Country music legend Bill Anderson.  Sorry took me a while to find it.

I do have to admit after I had a colonoscopy...I felt good for a few  days more energy than I had in years guess being  full of crap boggs  one down ::MonkeyDevil:: ::MonkeyDevil::.
I can't say I did after four colonoscopys  ::MonkeyEek:: But for them to have all these shops and expensive home, a lot of people must really like getting this done.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Monkey with Class on January 06, 2010, 03:10:22 PM
If paperwork is needed.  Someone could check any and all children for the past month that left the States for Mexico on that bus line.  I am sure they would use a different fake name.  Any child in that age group should be checked into.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 06, 2010, 03:12:16 PM
Is there a way to check on passports issued within a certain period of time?  Or any other documentation that the Bus Company would need to take people into Mexico?  With Gab being so young, I am sure someone would have to accompanied him on the bus?  Just brainstorming about the specualtion of what is needed to get into mexico.   If there is a way to check paperwork, perhaps more clues can then be persued.

Those are all great questions.  I am going to try to have google translate the Bus site and see if it says anything that makes sense.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: no rose colored glasses on January 06, 2010, 03:13:32 PM
At 1:05pm on November 15, 2008, Tammi Smith said… Hi Jennifer, We are looking for a traditional Surrogacy. Are you up for that? We live in Arizona and have a 3 1/2 year old daughter. We adopted her at 4 months old. We want another child desperately and she realy wants a sibling. You can call us at (XXX-XXX-XXXX) or email me at info@healingwatersaz.com Thank you and God Bless, Tammi

At 11:58pm on November 15, 2008, Tammi Smith said… Would you like to send me your phone number so I can call you, or you can call me at (xxx-xxx-xxxx). And how does your boyfriend feel about this? Also, have you ever had any children before? Thanks so much, can't wait to talk over the phone!

At 12:59am on November 19, 2008, Tammi Smith said… Are you realy interested??? You can reach me at (xxx-xxx-xxxx). Or email me your phone #.....

At 10:25am on November 19, 2008, Tammi Smith said… Thanks Jennifer for getting back with me. We have a few surrogate's in mind, but I would like to talk to you as well, so as soon as you get a phone, please call me. Also, If you are willing to travel that would be awesome! You could live with us most of the pregnacy!

http://www.surrogatemother.com/profile/Jennifer91
  ::MonkeyEek:: Tammi really wants a child desperately. Seems like she is fishing all over for a surrogate.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: no rose colored glasses on January 06, 2010, 03:15:42 PM
If paperwork is needed.  Someone could check any and all children for the past month that left the States for Mexico on that bus line.  I am sure they would use a different fake name.  Any child in that age group should be checked into.
I think paperwork is needed, at least I think so, don't you have to have a passport to get into Mexico now? Problem is that is probably not checked like it should. If this is what happened, someone must remember a little blue eyed, blonde little boy.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: darla on January 06, 2010, 03:20:49 PM
Northern I think Monkey with Class, posted a translated version a page back.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 06, 2010, 03:22:03 PM
CBS has posted an image gallery.  Most of the images of Gabriel are the same ones that Tammi has of him on her FB.  Tammi also called CBS yesterday to be there when they talked to Elizabeth from Jail.  Then the Smiths show up on GMA. Anyone else get the feeling that the Smith's have been paid handsomely for their photo rights?

Images 7,8,9 if you read the side caption are from the photos Logan submitted into court when Elizabeth trashed Gabriel's room.

http://www.cbsnews.com/elements/2010/01/06/crimesider/photoessay6063007.shtml?tag=page


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: mymonkey on January 06, 2010, 03:22:54 PM
At 1:05pm on November 15, 2008, Tammi Smith said… Hi Jennifer, We are looking for a traditional Surrogacy. Are you up for that? We live in Arizona and have a 3 1/2 year old daughter. We adopted her at 4 months old. We want another child desperately and she realy wants a sibling. You can call us at (XXX-XXX-XXXX) or email me at info@healingwatersaz.com Thank you and God Bless, Tammi

At 11:58pm on November 15, 2008, Tammi Smith said… Would you like to send me your phone number so I can call you, or you can call me at (xxx-xxx-xxxx). And how does your boyfriend feel about this? Also, have you ever had any children before? Thanks so much, can't wait to talk over the phone!

At 12:59am on November 19, 2008, Tammi Smith said… Are you realy interested??? You can reach me at (xxx-xxx-xxxx). Or email me your phone #.....

At 10:25am on November 19, 2008, Tammi Smith said… Thanks Jennifer for getting back with me. We have a few surrogate's in mind, but I would like to talk to you as well, so as soon as you get a phone, please call me. Also, If you are willing to travel that would be awesome! You could live with us most of the pregnacy!

http://www.surrogatemother.com/profile/Jennifer91
  ::MonkeyEek:: Tammi really wto peoants a child desperately. Seems like she is fishing all over for a surrogate.


Maybe she sells babies ::MonkeyEek::could it be she gets babies and sells them to folks kinda like a blackmarket could answer for where the money comes from


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: MuffyBee on January 06, 2010, 03:23:17 PM
Just a thought here.  Do they really own the shops?  Or are they renting a space for services within the shop?  I know of a place that offers hair cuts, facials, massages and etc., that's quite upscale.  But each person that works there contracts.  Same with the lady that owns the beauty salon where I get my hair cut.  She owns the shop, but she leases chairs to other hairdressers, who pay her a monthly rent.  The hairdressers work for themselves.  Just thinking...


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 06, 2010, 03:25:03 PM
Northern I think Monkey with Class, posted a translated version a page back.

Ohh I missed that.  Thank you and sorry.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 06, 2010, 03:29:48 PM
Car of missing Tempe baby's mother found in Texas (with video)

FBI officials are combing through a 1995 Oldsmobile in search of clues that could reveal the whereabouts of 8-month-old Gabriel Johnson, whose mother remains jailed in Florida for hiding the boy from his father.

The child was last seen in San Antonio with his mother, Elizabeth Johnson, 23, of Tempe. Authorities say Johnson spent Dec. 22 to 27 at two motels in the city.

Johnson has refused to reveal where she left the boy and remains jailed. She was arrested last week in Miami Beach, Fla., on suspicion of custodial interference after she failed to show up for a custodial hearing in Phoenix.

On Tuesday, the FBI and San Antonio police located Johnson's car, a white 1995 Oldsmobile Delta 88 with Arizona license plate AGZ4214, FBI Special Agent Erik Vasys said.

"We are in the process of inventorying the vehicle and searching it," Vasys said.

He declined to say what was found inside the car, which was parked at a Motel 6 at 7950 Interstate 35 South, near Interstate 35 and State Road 422.

However, Vasys told the Associated Press a baby seat and other items were found inside, but there were no apparent signs of violence.

Vasys also declined to say whether Johnson had stayed at the motel.

Tempe police spokesman Steve Carbajal said that locating the vehicle was key to the investigation as there was a "possibility" the child may have still been in the car.

"We had information that she may have been looking to rid herself of the child, but at the same time, or around the same time, she made threats that she killed the baby," Carbajal said. "So which one was correct? That's what we were trying to figure out."

Johnson was arrested Dec. 30 without her son, who was last seen Dec. 26 by witnesses in San Antonio. The next day, she sent the baby's father, Logan McQueary, 25, a text message telling him she'd killed the baby. That's when he went to the police.

At a pre-scheduled hearing in Maricopa County Superior Court on Dec. 28, a judge awarded McQueary the custody of the child when Johnson didn't show up. A warrant for custodial interference was then issued for Johnson.

Since her arrest, she's invoked her right to remain silent and has refused to say what happened to the child. For the last seven months, a Phoenix couple has been trying to adopt the child, though McQueary has repeatedly refused to sign over his rights.

In a phone interview with a Phoenix TV station, Johnson said she gave her son to another couple she met at a San Antonio park.

"They approached me and came up to me as I was out alone with the baby at the park," Johnson told the TV station. "I trusted them. I believe in my heart they are good people."

In the interview, Johnson said she told McQueary she killed the child because "he had ruined my life and he hurt me and I wanted to hurt him. That was the only thing I could say that would hurt him."

Johnson said she told police about the San Antonio couple she reportedly gave Gabriel to. However, Tempe police have been unable to confirm her story, Carbajal said.

When asked if Johnson was concerned whether Gabriel was dead or alive, she simply replied "no, I'm not."

http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2010/01/06/20100106misssingarizonababy06-ON.html


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: no rose colored glasses on January 06, 2010, 03:29:48 PM
CBS has posted an image gallery.  Most of the images of Gabriel are the same ones that Tammi has of him on her FB.  Tammi also called CBS yesterday to be there when they talked to Elizabeth from Jail.  Then the Smiths show up on GMA. Anyone else get the feeling that the Smith's have been paid handsomely for their photo rights?

Images 7,8,9 if you read the side caption are from the photos Logan submitted into court when Elizabeth trashed Gabriel's room.

http://www.cbsnews.com/elements/2010/01/06/crimesider/photoessay6063007.shtml?tag=page
Thanks, I'm sure they have been paid quite well. The picture of that knife


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: mymonkey on January 06, 2010, 03:35:22 PM
CBS has posted an image gallery.  Most of the images of Gabriel are the same ones that Tammi has of him on her FB.  Tammi also called CBS yesterday to be there when they talked to Elizabeth from Jail.  Then the Smiths show up on GMA. Anyone else get the feeling that the Smith's have been paid handsomely for their photo rights?

Images 7,8,9 if you read the side caption are from the photos Logan submitted into court when Elizabeth trashed Gabriel's room.

http://www.cbsnews.com/elements/2010/01/06/crimesider/photoessay6063007.shtml?tag=page
Thanks, I'm sure they have been paid quite well. The picture of that knife

In a few of these pic of Gabriel  as a older baby he has a very sad look in his ::MonkeyNoNo:: eyes.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 06, 2010, 03:41:04 PM
Just a thought here.  Do they really own the shops?  Or are they renting a space for services within the shop?  I know of a place that offers hair cuts, facials, massages and etc., that's quite upscale.  But each person that works there contracts.  Same with the lady that owns the beauty salon where I get my hair cut.  She owns the shop, but she leases chairs to other hairdressers, who pay her a monthly rent.  The hairdressers work for themselves.  Just thinking...


This is what I found on the Arizona Corporation Commission
http://starpas.azcc.gov/scripts/cgiip.exe/WService=wsbroker1/main.p


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 06, 2010, 03:54:17 PM
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Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 06, 2010, 03:57:37 PM
Mom's car is found in missing baby case

An FBI agent in San Antonio on Tuesday found the car belonging to a Valley mother who claimed to have killed her 8-month-old son.

Watch Tribune reporter Mike Sakal discuss the case on Tuesday's "Nancy Grace" on CNN Headline News.  http://www.eastvalleytribune.com/story/149171#video

Tempe police and the FBI have been looking for the 1995 Oldsmobile since the arrest of Elizabeth Johnson, 23, in Miami Beach, Fla. on Dec. 30, who is being held in the Dade County Jail without bail pending extradition to Arizona.

Gabriel Johnson was not with his mother when police arrested her and they have not been seen together since Dec. 26 in San Antonio. She is also not cooperating with police in the search for the boy.

According to court documents, Johnson left messages with the boy’s father saying she had killed him and left him in a dumpster in a baby bag.

Police are also investigating whether Johnson gave the baby away.

The car was parked at a Motel 6 across from a bus station off Interstate 35.

“It has given us new info to follow-up on,” said Sgt. Steve Carbajal, Tempe police spokesman.

Johnson did not check into the Motel 6, but could be seen on surveillance video driving into the parking lot of the motel about 11:45 a.m. on Dec. 27, according to Hitu Eatel, manager of the motel.

“She was alone,” Eatel said. “She could be seen walking out of the parking lot about noon.”

Johnson walked toward a bus station across the street, Eatel said.


Johnson lost custody of the boy to his father, Logan Scott McQueary, 25, when she failed to show for a court hearing Dec. 27. She has been charged with custodial interference, a low-level felony, in Maricopa County Superior Court.

McQueary said Wednesday that he hasn’t heard of any developments in the case, but remains hopeful that Gabriel will be safely returned.

“I’m just watching the news like everyone else,” McQueary said.


http://www.eastvalleytribune.com/story/149171


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 06, 2010, 04:11:18 PM
According to the last article Gabriel was not with Elizabeth when she ditched her car off behind Motel 6 at 11:45 Am Dec 27.  She then walked across to the Bus Station around Noon. She went to Tornado bus and from their site they go to Fort Meyers and Plant City Florida.  They do not give schedules on line.  I wish they had a schedule on line so we could see when the Florida bound buses left the San Antonio depot on Dec 27 and when they got to Florida.  Interested how much a ticket cost as well.

She had to go from
A) San Antonio
B) Fort Myers

or

C) Plant City

But that still does not explain how she got to

D) Miami Beach


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: no rose colored glasses on January 06, 2010, 04:27:54 PM
She must have taken another bus to the youth hostel. Is it just me, or does anyone else find it odd that she ended up in a youth hostel? And who gave the tip that she was there, who would have known she was there? Unless some other person in the hostel did.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Monkey with Class on January 06, 2010, 04:31:50 PM
She must have taken another bus to the youth hostel. Is it just me, or does anyone else find it odd that she ended up in a youth hostel? And who gave the tip that she was there, who would have known she was there? Unless some other person in the hostel did.

I would imagine  cell phone pings clued them (LE) that she was there.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: no rose colored glasses on January 06, 2010, 04:36:52 PM
She must have taken another bus to the youth hostel. Is it just me, or does anyone else find it odd that she ended up in a youth hostel? And who gave the tip that she was there, who would have known she was there? Unless some other person in the hostel did.

I would imagine  cell phone pings clued them (LE) that she was there.
You are right, I should have realized that  ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 06, 2010, 04:42:08 PM
She must have taken another bus to the youth hostel. Is it just me, or does anyone else find it odd that she ended up in a youth hostel? And who gave the tip that she was there, who would have known she was there? Unless some other person in the hostel did.

The article yesterday said she called her Grandpa (who's car she ditched in TX) everyday from jail and the the Smith's had to go to Grandpa's house to talk to her yesterday.  IMO she still called Grandpa everyday from jail and Grandpa called in the tip. 



Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 06, 2010, 04:43:38 PM
I need to hire 2 ladies! I will train the right person! Posted: 10/27/2009
E-mail: info@healingwatersaz.com
Phone: (XXX)-XXX-XXXX
We are looking for 2 Christian ladies that are outgoing and have some sales/marketing skills. Any medical experience would also help. Our company is called Healing Waters Colonics.
Go to www.healingwatersaz.com to learn about what we do. You can make great money as well as have a new rewarding carreer. We will train the right person. We are looking to fill positions in Sun city West/Surprise and in Scottsdale Road/Lincoln. Please call Tammi @ (XXX) XXX-XXXX if you are interested!

http://www.ccvonline.com/Arena/default.aspx?Page=12330&categoryID=638


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: no rose colored glasses on January 06, 2010, 04:44:11 PM
She must have taken another bus to the youth hostel. Is it just me, or does anyone else find it odd that she ended up in a youth hostel? And who gave the tip that she was there, who would have known she was there? Unless some other person in the hostel did.

The article yesterday said she called her Grandpa (who's car she ditched in TX) everyday from jail and the the Smith's had to go to Grandpa's house to talk to her yesterday.  IMO she still called Grandpa everyday from jail and Grandpa called in the tip. 


That could be, somewhere I may have missed this, did grandpa give her the car to drive, or did she take grandpa's car without asking?


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: no rose colored glasses on January 06, 2010, 04:46:40 PM
I need to hire 2 ladies! I will train the right person! Posted: 10/27/2009
E-mail: info@healingwatersaz.com
Phone: (XXX)-XXX-XXXX
We are looking for 2 Christian ladies that are outgoing and have some sales/marketing skills. Any medical experience would also help. Our company is called Healing Waters Colonics.
Go to www.healingwatersaz.com to learn about what we do. You can make great money as well as have a new rewarding carreer. We will train the right person. We are looking to fill positions in Sun city West/Surprise and in Scottsdale Road/Lincoln. Please call Tammi @ (XXX) XXX-XXXX if you are interested!

http://www.ccvonline.com/Arena/default.aspx?Page=12330&categoryID=638
  ::MonkeyEek:: Wow, in my book that isn't a rewarding career, but what do I know. I've never seen any place of business like this where I live, and you would think this would be a hit in SO CA.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 06, 2010, 04:48:12 PM
If this sink was used for what I think it was used for I hope she tells whoever bought/buys it so they do not put their veggies in it!
 ::MonkeyEek::

Date: 2009-12-30, 12:26PM MST
http://phoenix.craigslist.org/nph/app/1530725555.html


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Monkey with Class on January 06, 2010, 04:48:49 PM
She must have taken another bus to the youth hostel. Is it just me, or does anyone else find it odd that she ended up in a youth hostel? And who gave the tip that she was there, who would have known she was there? Unless some other person in the hostel did.

I would imagine  cell phone pings clued them (LE) that she was there.
You are right, I should have realized that  ::MonkeyConfused::

I just do not have a good feeling about this.   26th or 27th something happened.  Was Gab with her when she met the couple she gave him to?  Were they spotted on any cameras inside the park?   The more I hear about his child, the more I tend to think her text to Logan was not just out of spite to get revenge.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 06, 2010, 04:49:21 PM
She must have taken another bus to the youth hostel. Is it just me, or does anyone else find it odd that she ended up in a youth hostel? And who gave the tip that she was there, who would have known she was there? Unless some other person in the hostel did.

The article yesterday said she called her Grandpa (who's car she ditched in TX) everyday from jail and the the Smith's had to go to Grandpa's house to talk to her yesterday.  IMO she still called Grandpa everyday from jail and Grandpa called in the tip. 


That could be, somewhere I may have missed this, did grandpa give her the car to drive, or did she take grandpa's car without asking?

All that I recall being reported is that it was Grandpa's car.  It was on NG last night as well.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: no rose colored glasses on January 06, 2010, 04:50:24 PM
If this sink was used for what I think it was used for I hope she tells whoever bought/buys it so they do not put their veggies in it!
 ::MonkeyEek::

Date: 2009-12-30, 12:26PM MST
http://phoenix.craigslist.org/nph/app/1530725555.html
I'm going to be sick  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: no rose colored glasses on January 06, 2010, 04:52:10 PM
She must have taken another bus to the youth hostel. Is it just me, or does anyone else find it odd that she ended up in a youth hostel? And who gave the tip that she was there, who would have known she was there? Unless some other person in the hostel did.

I would imagine  cell phone pings clued them (LE) that she was there.
You are right, I should have realized that  ::MonkeyConfused::

I just do not have a good feeling about this.   26th or 27th something happened.  Was Gab with her when she met the couple she gave him to?  Were they spotted on any cameras inside the park?   The more I hear about his child, the more I tend to think her text to Logan was not just out of spite to get revenge.
I don't feel good about this also. After hearing about her tirade, and using a knife to cut the baby's bedding and clothes, and then seeing a pic of that sharp knife, that didn't help.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: no rose colored glasses on January 06, 2010, 04:52:44 PM
She must have taken another bus to the youth hostel. Is it just me, or does anyone else find it odd that she ended up in a youth hostel? And who gave the tip that she was there, who would have known she was there? Unless some other person in the hostel did.

The article yesterday said she called her Grandpa (who's car she ditched in TX) everyday from jail and the the Smith's had to go to Grandpa's house to talk to her yesterday.  IMO she still called Grandpa everyday from jail and Grandpa called in the tip. 


That could be, somewhere I may have missed this, did grandpa give her the car to drive, or did she take grandpa's car without asking?

All that I recall being reported is that it was Grandpa's car.  It was on NG last night as well.
Maybe grandpa helped her with money?


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 06, 2010, 04:55:27 PM
I just tried to call the 1-800 number to Tornado Bus to ask about schedules from San Antonio to FL and cost, and it does not work from Canada   ::MonkeyWaa::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: bananas on January 06, 2010, 05:00:44 PM
I don't know how to log into myspace, but I'm just trying to figure out why she would post those kind of pictures  ::MonkeyEek::

Here are some of them.  I have blanked out her kids faces as I have no idea how old they were when these were taken.



They are in bathing suits... just acting silly.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: darla on January 06, 2010, 05:06:23 PM
Northern what is the number and I will call them.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: darla on January 06, 2010, 05:23:37 PM
Somebody mentioned it earlier, but with all of Tammi's looking for surrogate  mother's sounds like she could be into selling babies. This just does not feel like it is going to turn out good. Her statement that she was not worried that Gabe was dead or alive, shows another Casey Anthony attitude. God Bless lil Gabe.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: darla on January 06, 2010, 05:25:58 PM
Sorry for the double post...I got thrown out on my arse and didn't know it posted.

If a mod comes in can you please delete one of the post. TIA

Done.  YW, darla.  MB


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: no rose colored glasses on January 06, 2010, 05:31:23 PM
Somebody mentioned it earlier, but with all of Tammi's looking for surrogate  mother's sounds like she could be into selling babies. This just does not feel like it is going to turn out good. Her statement that she was not worried that Gabe was dead or alive, shows another Casey Anthony attitude. God Bless lil Gabe.
I wonder if she is into selling babies. Elizabeth sure does have the Casey Anthony vibe going on  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Nut44x4 on January 06, 2010, 06:12:17 PM
I need to hire 2 ladies! I will train the right person! Posted: 10/27/2009
E-mail: info@healingwatersaz.com
Phone: (XXX)-XXX-XXXX
We are looking for 2 Christian ladies that are outgoing and have some sales/marketing skills. Any medical experience would also help. Our company is called Healing Waters Colonics.
Go to www.healingwatersaz.com to learn about what we do. You can make great money as well as have a new rewarding carreer. We will train the right person. We are looking to fill positions in Sun city West/Surprise and in Scottsdale Road/Lincoln. Please call Tammi @ (XXX) XXX-XXXX if you are interested!

http://www.ccvonline.com/Arena/default.aspx?Page=12330&categoryID=638

I need a job, but I helped give a much needed enema to a work horse once and I refuse to give one to a human  ::MonkeyNoNo:: Disgusting....


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: trimmonthelake on January 06, 2010, 06:28:57 PM
http://www.kens5.com/news/Local-FBI-scouring-San-Antonio-for-missing-toddler-80849082.html
 Local FBI scouring San Antonio for missing toddler

by Joe Conger / KENS 5

Posted on January 6, 2010 at 5:01 PM

Updated today at 5:17 PM
******

A 23-year old Arizona mother said she gave her baby away to complete strangers in San Antonio. In a jailhouse phone call, Elizabeth Johnson was unable to say where her 8-month old child is located.
 “They approached me. And, they came up to me. I was out alone with the baby at the park,” she told a reporter from KPHO in Phoenix, Arizona.
 
“I trusted them. I believe in my heart they’re good people,” she added.
 
The FBI said “They” is an unknown couple on the south side, whom the mom says she met while running away from Tempe, Arizona. Little is known about the man and woman, except a first name, “Cheryl.”
 
Johnson was picked up in Miami Beach, Florida last week. She was alone. It was the last stop on a bizarre journey across country, after she argued with her ex-boyfriend, Logan McQuery, and failed to show up for a custody hearing in Arizona. McQuery has been identified as the boy’s father. He told police Johnson texted him that the boy was dead, but that she later admitted it was a lie.
Johnson’s car was discovered at a Motel 6 off of Interstate-35, complete with a baby seat inside the vehicle.
 
FBI spokesman Erik Vasys says they have reason to believe the child is still alive.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: darla on January 06, 2010, 06:29:04 PM
NorthernRose.....I got the info:

A bus leaves SA everyday at 12 noon......need to be there 1 hr prior.
 Cost to Fort Myers is $170.00

Trip is about 22 hrs.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 06, 2010, 08:08:34 PM
NorthernRose.....I got the info:

A bus leaves SA everyday at 12 noon......need to be there 1 hr prior.
 Cost to Fort Myers is $170.00

Trip is about 22 hrs.

Thanks Darla just got back .



Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 06, 2010, 08:10:40 PM
NG is covering it tonight.  4 cameras that FBI has taken footage of.

Combing San Antonio area as they think there are still clues

FBI still investigating how Elizabeth footed the bill for all of this.

EJ borrowed Grandpa's car.

The Smith's are coming on NG tonight. 


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 06, 2010, 08:14:14 PM
Jack says because Logan would not go along with the adoption it gave Eliz no option but to go.  Tammi interjects...In her mind.

Tammi says that Elizabeth never asked them for money, not a ride nothing

NG asked Tammi if EJ is cabale if killing and Tammi said she did not know as she has only known EJ for 3-4 weeks.



Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: darla on January 06, 2010, 08:18:44 PM
Uh....Didn't Tammi say earlier she met EJ at an airport when Gabe was just a few weeks old?


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: darla on January 06, 2010, 08:20:59 PM
Something is just not adding up with this Tammi and Jack. Why did EJ have to run? She could have just let the Dad have the baby if she didn't want him. This is not going to turn out good. poor baby.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 06, 2010, 08:24:06 PM
Jack says they found out where the car was through the interview.

The Smith's had a list of questions and the main question was where was Gabriel.  The Smith's have focused their lives for the last few day and have sources in San Antonio ( a radio station) to find Gabriel.  She bought the bus ticket under the name of Elizabeth Jones. Jack told NG the name of the park (which has been out there for days now)

EJ paid for the hotel for a full week ahead of time.  Tammi offered to help with an attorney so custody of Gabriel would not go to Logan and then EJ took off

A few days prior to leaving Tammi says EJ sold her two Yorkies for $500.00 , rented her room out for $400 and got her last unemployment cheque and she gets WIC for Gabriel. 


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 06, 2010, 08:25:03 PM
Uh....Didn't Tammi say earlier she met EJ at an airport when Gabe was just a few weeks old?

Yup, then the story about temp guardianship in Nov, now saying only knew her for 3-4 weeks. 


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: mymonkey on January 06, 2010, 08:27:21 PM
Something is just not adding up with this Tammi and Jack. Why did EJ have to run? She could have just let the Dad have the baby if she didn't want him. This is not going to turn out good. poor baby.

I agree they are covering up something jmo


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 06, 2010, 08:28:49 PM
NG says that it sounds like EJ met this couple the same way as she met the Smith's.  Tammi went into a full story about the airport.  Tammi held the baby in the airport, Tammi held the baby in the place, did not hear back from EJ till Dec 8th at 9-10 pm after plane ride.

Jack said the only side they are on is to find Gabriel

That is strange that he would say that after all the quotes from Tammi that EJ was doing the right thing, she supports her, Logan should not have Gabe, etc......

Wow, so what is with the temp guardianship papers that they showed the media a few days before? 



Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Babybear on January 06, 2010, 08:28:57 PM
IMO these two are up to there necks in this.  I believe they know exactly where Gabriel is and that they arranged for him to "Disappear" and have plans to get him later.  I also think they have at least contributed money to this if not financed it outright.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: mymonkey on January 06, 2010, 08:29:34 PM
Jack says they found out where the car was through the interview.

The Smith's had a list of questions and the main question was where was Gabriel.  The Smith's have focused their lives for the last few day and have sources in San Antonio ( a radio station) to find Gabriel.  She bought the bus ticket under the name of Elizabeth Jones. Jack told NG the name of the park (which has been out there for days now)

EJ paid for the hotel for a full week ahead of time.  Tammi offered to help with an attorney so custody of Gabriel would not go to Logan and then EJ took off

A few days prior to leaving Tammi says EJ sold her two Yorkies for $500.00 , rented her room out for $400 and got her last unemployment cheque and she gets WIC for Gabriel. 

I thought Logan said she did not work....where was her last job?


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 06, 2010, 08:30:06 PM
Something is just not adding up with this Tammi and Jack. Why did EJ have to run? She could have just let the Dad have the baby if she didn't want him. This is not going to turn out good. poor baby.

I agree they are covering up something jmo

Maybe their "sources" in San Antonio are telling them they look smelly and are trying to soften their image?


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 06, 2010, 08:31:15 PM
Jack says they found out where the car was through the interview.

The Smith's had a list of questions and the main question was where was Gabriel.  The Smith's have focused their lives for the last few day and have sources in San Antonio ( a radio station) to find Gabriel.  She bought the bus ticket under the name of Elizabeth Jones. Jack told NG the name of the park (which has been out there for days now)

EJ paid for the hotel for a full week ahead of time.  Tammi offered to help with an attorney so custody of Gabriel would not go to Logan and then EJ took off

A few days prior to leaving Tammi says EJ sold her two Yorkies for $500.00 , rented her room out for $400 and got her last unemployment cheque and she gets WIC for Gabriel. 

I thought Logan said she did not work....where was her last job?

Yup, there was another report as well that said she did not work. 


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 06, 2010, 08:32:39 PM
IMO these two are up to there necks in this.  I believe they know exactly where Gabriel is and that they arranged for him to "Disappear" and have plans to get him later.  I also think they have at least contributed money to this if not financed it outright.

I am with you on all those thoughts.  Especially that post on Tammi's FB about "Underground help"


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: mymonkey on January 06, 2010, 08:33:20 PM
IMO these two are up to there necks in this.  I believe they know exactly where Gabriel is and that they arranged for him to "Disappear" and have plans to get him later.  I also think they have at least contributed money to this if not financed it outright.

Do you think the Cheryl in the park was just a go between for Tammi to get Gabe?


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: mymonkey on January 06, 2010, 08:36:05 PM
IMO these two are up to there necks in this.  I believe they know exactly where Gabriel is and that they arranged for him to "Disappear" and have plans to get him later.  I also think they have at least contributed money to this if not financed it outright.

Do you think the Cheryl in the park was just a go between for Tammi to get Gabe?


I would like to know how much the Smiths were going to pay EJ for Gabe...I am sure she was not going to just let them adopt without her getting something out of it ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: darla on January 06, 2010, 08:38:28 PM
Jack says they found out where the car was through the interview.

The Smith's had a list of questions and the main question was where was Gabriel.  The Smith's have focused their lives for the last few day and have sources in San Antonio ( a radio station) to find Gabriel.  She bought the bus ticket under the name of Elizabeth Jones. Jack told NG the name of the park (which has been out there for days now)

EJ paid for the hotel for a full week ahead of time.  Tammi offered to help with an attorney so custody of Gabriel would not go to Logan and then EJ took off

A few days prior to leaving Tammi says EJ sold her two Yorkies for $500.00 , rented her room out for $400 and got her last unemployment cheque and she gets WIC for Gabriel. 





She was only there for a week right? Why did she check into another hotel if she had already paid for a whole week?


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 06, 2010, 08:38:53 PM
Mark K was trying to correct NG that the Smith's have done nothing but smack talk Logan and NG shut him down.

Tammi says EJ sounded cheery, happier and safer in jail than being out of jail going through the custody issue.

Jack said he had concerns , it felt odd, but felt they could be helping the baby and their theory was they were the babysitter.  He admits that they know the process of adoption as they adopted Hannah.

Tammi says they have nothing to gain by going to the media.  They think they can help find Gabriel to help return him to his family (BS)


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 06, 2010, 08:39:59 PM
Jack says they found out where the car was through the interview.

The Smith's had a list of questions and the main question was where was Gabriel.  The Smith's have focused their lives for the last few day and have sources in San Antonio ( a radio station) to find Gabriel.  She bought the bus ticket under the name of Elizabeth Jones. Jack told NG the name of the park (which has been out there for days now)

EJ paid for the hotel for a full week ahead of time.  Tammi offered to help with an attorney so custody of Gabriel would not go to Logan and then EJ took off

A few days prior to leaving Tammi says EJ sold her two Yorkies for $500.00 , rented her room out for $400 and got her last unemployment cheque and she gets WIC for Gabriel. 





She was only there for a week right? Why did she check into another hotel if she had already paid for a whole week?

She was there for 5 days, 2 hotels confirmed.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 06, 2010, 08:44:27 PM
Local FBI scouring San Antonio for missing toddler

A 23-year old Arizona mother said she gave her baby away to complete strangers in San Antonio. In a jailhouse phone call, Elizabeth Johnson was unable to say where her 8-month old child is located.

 “They approached me. And, they came up to me. I was out alone with the baby at the park,” she told a reporter from KPHO in Phoenix, Arizona.
 
“I trusted them. I believe in my heart they’re good people,” she added.
 
The FBI said “They” is an unknown couple on the south side, whom the mom says she met while running away from Tempe, Arizona. Little is known about the man and woman, except a first name, “Cheryl.”
 
Johnson was picked up in Miami Beach, Florida last week. She was alone. It was the last stop on a bizarre journey across country, after she argued with her ex-boyfriend, Logan McQuery, and failed to show up for a custody hearing in Arizona. McQuery has been identified as the boy’s father. He told police Johnson texted him that the boy was dead, but that she later admitted it was a lie.
 
Johnson’s car was discovered at a Motel 6 off of Interstate-35, complete with a baby seat inside the vehicle.
 
FBI spokesman Erik Vasys says they have reason to believe the child is still alive.

http://www.kens5.com/news/Local-FBI-scouring-San-Antonio-for-missing-toddler-80849082.html


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: mymonkey on January 06, 2010, 08:49:03 PM
Where was EJ flying to or from when the Smiths met her?


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 06, 2010, 08:51:47 PM
Raw phone call from Jail yesterday

http://www.kpho.com/video/22155911/index.html


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 06, 2010, 08:52:19 PM
Where was EJ flying to or from when the Smiths met her?

From Boston to AZ


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: no rose colored glasses on January 06, 2010, 08:55:13 PM
Wow, thank-you for all the updates  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 06, 2010, 09:01:50 PM
Raw phone call from Jail yesterday

http://www.kpho.com/video/22155911/index.html

The full call is a very good listen.  EJ says when she gave Gabriel away before to the Smith's she was commended and does not understand the issue this time.  EJ says the  people she gave Gabriel  to could not have children of their own just like the Smith's.  (this girl attracts people who can not have children and that offer to adopt Gabriel on their first meeting like flies to a pig)  Tammi coaxes her in the middle of the call when the reporter asks her why she did not take Gabriel to a police station .  Not once did I hear the Smith's or Elizabeth call Gabriel by his first name, it is always the baby or the child.   ::MonkeyNoNo::   ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 06, 2010, 09:11:47 PM
What does Jack mean in the middle of that call when he talks about Gabriel being in seclusion until he reaches a certain age and then gets brought back out again?


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: cookie on January 06, 2010, 09:23:23 PM
Lookee See ....what I found in her my space pics. This is one of her spas. Who knew enema's paid this much!

skipping a few pages ahead....hope this isn't a repeat.....Dolce? that caught my eye for obvious reasons...lol..



Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: cookie on January 06, 2010, 09:24:01 PM
Lookee See ....what I found in her my space pics. This is one of her spas. Who knew enema's paid this much!

skipping a few pages ahead....hope this isn't a repeat.....Dolce? that caught my eye for obvious reasons...lol..



should have posted the pic with this of the spa...sorry...


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: cookie on January 06, 2010, 09:39:54 PM
whew...just got caught up on this thread...interesting ...

the Smiths have something to do with this in my opinion..watched them on NG..heard them saying some things that did not add up to me at the time...after catching up here, I see that some other monkeys feel the same way...something stinks here and it isn't from the colon cleansing that this woman does..
who could/would do that??? yuk! something weird about that woman besides that...
in the bathtub pictures...that was her as a blonde right?  My grown sons would have never gotten into a bubble bath with me at the ages that these kids appear to be...swim suits or not, nor would I want them to...and if I posted them on Myspace, they would ask me to take them off of there....just sayin...


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: darla on January 06, 2010, 09:41:02 PM
LOL Cookie....I found that on Tammi's myspace photos and the name of the place caught my eye. They have a business inside of that Salon.


Northern after listening to that call, she is as cold hearted as Casey ever thought about being. Something else I caught.....She said Logan had never been a part of their lives, that she had Cabe alone, he never called.......I thought they lived together up until Dec. 8th. Did I read that wrong. And yes Tammi was coaching her on what to say.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: darla on January 06, 2010, 09:44:16 PM
And What was the deal of going to the grandfathers house and calling the media to be there? Just ain't adding up. I sure hope they have searched the dumpsters around the last hotel she stayed at.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: cookie on January 06, 2010, 09:49:22 PM
LOL Cookie....I found that on Tammi's myspace photos and the name of the place caught my eye. They have a business inside of that Salon.


Northern after listening to that call, she is as cold hearted as Casey ever thought about being. Something else I caught.....She said Logan had never been a part of their lives, that she had Cabe alone, he never called.......I thought they lived together up until Dec. 8th. Did I read that wrong. And yes Tammi was coaching her on what to say.

Yes...I  thought that Logan said that she had kicked him out...he kissed Gabriel before he left and that was the last time he saw him...sounded like they lived together to me...This "mother"...term used loosely..has some real mental issues I think...if she can cut up the babies clothes, his mattress <<<think I read that>>>> all with the baby being right there? how sick is that?
something strange about all of this...hopefully baby is still alive ...but where??


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Babybear on January 06, 2010, 10:08:24 PM
IMO these two are up to there necks in this.  I believe they know exactly where Gabriel is and that they arranged for him to "Disappear" and have plans to get him later.  I also think they have at least contributed money to this if not financed it outright.

Do you think the Cheryl in the park was just a go between for Tammi to get Gabe?

I think that "Cheryl" is possibly a member of an underground group which hides mothers and children from fathers.  Usually they do this after a mother has accused the father of sexually molesting the child.  I know there was a group centered in Atlanta about 20-25 years ago and probably such groups exist today.  It was a bad situation because it sometimes happens that mothers accuse their ex-husbands of molesting the children to get revenge or custody or whatever, maybe prison.  Of course, sometimes it's unfortunatley true.  But it is wrong IMO to just take the mother's word for it which is what they did.  In this case, as far as I know, there is no accusation that Logan molested Gabriel, but EJ has accused him of abusing her. 

That thing about Gabriel being in "Seclusion" and the mention on the FB page of "Underground" leads me to believe that the Smiths might possibly have arranged this to keep Gabriel away from Logan because they want him themselves.  I also believe NG was wrong when she defended the Smiths and wouldn't let Mark Klaas say what he was going to say and I believe it was going to be something about the threats when they tried to get Logan to sign some kind of document.

I know that Logan has a record of conspiracy to commit burglary but he was never in prison, he was on probation.  And while it looks like a long record, if you read it closely you'll see it mainly deals with one occurence.  Not excusing him for it, but it looks a lot worse than it is.  He seemed sincere on television, but I have been fooled before.

It wouldn't surprise me at all to find that a considerable amount of money has or will change hands to get baby Gabriel.  This is so sad.  I do hope that he is with someone who will care for him.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 06, 2010, 10:24:53 PM
Did Gabriel's maternal and paternal grandparents play a role in his life?  Aunts? Uncles?   Support for this young couple ... support derived from a foundation of love ... appears to have been lacking.  I could be wrong.

Janet


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Babybear on January 06, 2010, 10:39:33 PM
Did Gabriel's maternal and paternal grandparents play a role in his life?  Aunts? Uncles?   Support for this young couple ... support derived from a foundation of love ... appears to have been lacking.  I could be wrong.

Janet

Good points, Janet.  I miss you at Caylee's thread.  If Elizabeth had supportive parents I doubt she would be in this mess, but as far as I know, they haven't appeared publically.  Logan's father was with him on TV.  I oppose unmarried couples having children, not on moral grounds, but because it is often so difficult for the children.  But on the other hand, even married couples have these problems which affect the children.  I remember last year or maybe the year before you wrote a touching piece about your daughter-in-law and how you didn't know her parents were raising her to become a part of your family.  It was beautifully written.  And it points up the need for a strong family support system which apparently is missing here.  I hope the baby is with someone who will care for him, but none of us can really say what the mother did with him. 

Nice to see you.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 06, 2010, 10:51:19 PM
LOL Cookie....I found that on Tammi's myspace photos and the name of the place caught my eye. They have a business inside of that Salon.


Northern after listening to that call, she is as cold hearted as Casey ever thought about being. Something else I caught.....She said Logan had never been a part of their lives, that she had Cabe alone, he never called.......I thought they lived together up until Dec. 8th. Did I read that wrong. And yes Tammi was coaching her on what to say.

They lived together till Dec 8th, last time Logan saw Gabe was Dec 9th.  When EJ said I am in jail how can I know anything I saw Casey saying those words. 


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 06, 2010, 11:16:05 PM
Did Gabriel's maternal and paternal grandparents play a role in his life?  Aunts? Uncles?   Support for this young couple ... support derived from a foundation of love ... appears to have been lacking.  I could be wrong.

Janet

Logan's father helped them financially.  His father in this video. Not heard or seen any family from Elizabeth's side. 

http://www.azcentral.com/community/tempe/articles/2010/01/04/20100104tr-missingbaby0106.html


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 06, 2010, 11:25:48 PM
Scottsdale Couple Contacted Tempe Mother About Adopting Missing Boy
Woman says she gave son up to unknown couple  (with video)

TEMPE - A Tempe woman is behind bars after kidnapping her 8-month-old son and driving across country.

Elizabeth Johnson, 23,  was arrested in Miami last week, and her vehicle was found Tuesday at a motel Texas. But Gabriel is still missing.

The non-custodial mother says she gave her son Gabriel up for adoption. But that was without the boy's father's permission.

Wednesday, she told investigators she gave the baby away to a couple in San Antonio, Texas, -- but she doesn't know their name.

FOX 10 talked to a Scottsdale couple who contacted Johnson when she was advertising her baby for adoption. They actually met with her, and Gabriel stayed with them for a week last month.

When we asked Jack Smith and his wife if they think Gabriel is okay, he said, "In my heart, I do. We saw the love of a mother in her eyes."

The couple's home was searched but there was no sign of the boy. Police are still following leads to try and find Gabriel's whereabouts.

Gabriel's father, Logan McQueary, told police he received a message from Johnson claiming she had killed their son.

http://www.myfoxphoenix.com/dpp/news/local/tempe/missing-baby-adoption-claims-1-6-2010


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 06, 2010, 11:28:39 PM
Thank you Babybear and Northern Rose.

My heart tells me that Gabriel is in safe hands but stolen nevertheless.  I suspect that the couple in the park could be part of a conspiracy that involves ... but distances ... Tammi and Jack.  On the other hand ... I could be wrong. 

Good Night All.

Janet


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 06, 2010, 11:29:11 PM
Where does one advertise a baby for adoption? 


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 06, 2010, 11:30:59 PM
Good night Janet, God bless!


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 06, 2010, 11:33:21 PM
If my husband looks at the cache on my computer over the last few days he is going to end up in hospital when he sees me looking through surrogate sites and now adoption. 


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 06, 2010, 11:37:49 PM
If my husband looks at the cache on my computer over the last few days he is going to end up in hospital when he sees me looking through surrogate sites and now adoption. 

  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Gizzie on January 06, 2010, 11:48:43 PM
If my husband looks at the cache on my computer over the last few days he is going to end up in hospital when he sees me looking through surrogate sites and now adoption. 

 ::MonkeyEek::  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: mymonkey on January 06, 2010, 11:49:07 PM
If my husband looks at the cache on my computer over the last few days he is going to end up in hospital when he sees me looking through surrogate sites and now adoption. 

  ::MonkeyHaHa::
::MonkeyDevil::

I just dont think EJ would give up Gabe and not profit herself some way the Smiths have taken advantage of a gullible, immature girl that has some serious issues, I still would like to know how much the Smiths offered her to adopt Gabe.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 06, 2010, 11:51:14 PM
If my husband looks at the cache on my computer over the last few days he is going to end up in hospital when he sees me looking through surrogate sites and now adoption. 

  ::MonkeyHaHa::
::MonkeyDevil::

I just dont think EJ would give up Gabe and not profit herself some way the Smiths have taken advantage of a gullible, immature girl that has some serious issues, I still would like to know how much the Smiths offered her to adopt Gabe.

I agree. Their tune has change drastically on so many things. 


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 07, 2010, 12:15:20 AM
Missing Baby Gabriel had Been Sought For Adoption by Predatory Vultures

Imagine seeing a young mother with her very young infant at an airport. The mother looks tired and perhaps a bit frazzled, as are many new moms and as are many air travelers.

Now, can you imagine that instead of offering consolation, a helping hand, or an ear...instead you ask if she'll let you adopt her infant child?

This is what Tammi Peters Smith says she did when she first laid eyes on Elizabeth Johnson, 23. Smith, who has been described as living in North Tempe with her husband Jack and owning a colon hydrotherapy practice with several locations around the Valley says that neither Elizabeth or her the baby's father, Logan McQueary, 25, wanted the child, though she also claims that from the first time she asked to adopt the baby she was told Logan would not sign papers.

Smith also she and her husband had temporary guardianship of the boy in late November and early December for about 10 to 12 days while the couple was deciding what to do.  The paperwork, however, was not court-issued.   She says she is the "duped" party because she believes the child - now missing - was given to another couple.

Logan says it's not true that he wanted his son adopted and says Smith was extorting them

In the meantime, Logan has been granted custody of the missing child and Elizabeth charged with custodial interference. She has invoked her right to remain silent and refused to say what happened to the child.

However, it has been reported that she sent Logan a text saying she killed the child and ten sent another sent that wasn't true.

Smith said she and her husband spoke to Johnson and tried to coax her to return, but had little luck. They cooperated with police, but didn't offer any information on where Gabriel might be.

Despite all of the conflicting information, the Arizona Republic titled the story "Mother of missing baby wanted to give child up for adoption" in an obvious attempt to garner the sensationalism of the Casey and Caylee Anthony case in which the mother also allegedly considered adoption at some point in time.  It would just fit the pro-adoption industry to be able to say that when mothers think about adoption and then don't, their hcildren are at increased risk for harm. 

I also love Smith painting her self as the victim, when she may have pushed this mother to do - or even consider - things she never otherwise made any effort to pursue. So much for "voluntary" relinquishment!

Note to the general public: Supermarkets are other good places to find exhausted, stressed-out and frustrated moms!  Stroll the aisles and maybe you too can find a mother so overwhelmed at the moment you can pressure her to give you custody of her child!  Be prepared: Carry custody papers with you at all times so you can be there at just the right moment to swoop in on a mother in her worst, most vulnerable moment.

MORE....

http://familypreservation.blogspot.com/search/label/Tammi%20Peters%20Smith


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 07, 2010, 12:21:16 AM
Update: Mom of missing baby says she gave him to couple in SA

(new video up)

http://www.woai.com/news/local/story/Update-Mom-of-missing-baby-says-she-gave-him-to/A_MWCcI7VU2mj87wWA11fg.cspx


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 07, 2010, 01:20:05 AM
Grandfather Of Elizabeth Johnson Thinks She's Lying
Bob Johnson Still Believes Gabriel Is Alive


TEMPE, Ariz. -- Bob Johnson said his granddaughter Elizabeth has always been secretive.

"If she didn't want you to know something, you ain't gonna find out," Johnson said.

He says moving in and out of five foster homes as a child made her that way. But he said the straight "A" student also developed an irrational temper that led to bouts of rage.

"She should have sought professional help. She did seek help for post partum depression and she was on medication and during that time she seemed a lot more mellow and everything was better," Bob Johnson said.

But she stopped taking that medication shortly before she hopped in Bob's car with 8-month-old Gabriel and headed to Texas.

"She had this cockamamie idea that she was going to change her Social Security number and name and his Social Security number and name and run forever," said Bob.

Instead, in an exclusive interview with CBS5, Elizabeth said she simply gave Gabriel to a couple she met in a park.

"I trusted them. I believe in my heart they're good people," said Elizabeth on the phone from jail.

But her grandfather doesn't buy it. He tried to envision her scenario.

'Oh by the way, how would you like to have a baby, oh it's free, yeah it's free' -- that's hard Pat, that's hard to really believe, but it's a simple story, it's a story that you can repeat without stumbling," said Bob.


The last time Bob saw Gabriel was when the whole family got together for Thanksgiving. He has pictures of Elizabeth posing with the boy's father, Logan McQueary.

"She's the sweet Elizabeth," Bob said when pointing to a picture of her smiling.

He thinks she gave Gabriel to a family in Texas, and is lying now so the boy will never be found. But she has threatened to harm the child, and Bob wonders if her past and her struggles with self control eventually got the best of her.

"It's possible that in a moment of anger, depression, whatever, that she carried out her threat. I don't even want to think about it because, what a waste. What a waste," said Bob Johnson.

http://www.kpho.com/news/22168065/detail.html


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: bananas on January 07, 2010, 01:32:45 AM
Even the grandfather doesn't believe her story and he obviously believes she is capable of hurting the baby.  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 07, 2010, 01:32:48 AM
Please let this not be related

Man reports toddler in Rio Grande
 
 
 
 

Associated Press - January 6, 2010 8:05 PM ET

LOS LUNAS, N.M. (AP) - Darkness has prompted police to call off a search for a possible toddler in the Rio Grande at Los Lunas.

The search began Wednesday afternoon after a man called 911 to say he'd seen a toddler floating face-down in the river.

Los Lunas Police Chief Roy Melnick says the man sounded credible, so police took no chances even though no one in the area reported a missing child.

The man was walking over a bridge on N.M. 6 when he spotted a child wearing a diaper in the river.

State police assisted with the search, and a dive team, a helicopter and a hovercraft were called in.

http://www.kvia.com/Global/story.asp?S=11781196


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 07, 2010, 01:40:23 AM
A) tempe, az
B) los lunas, nm
C) San Antonio, tx



Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: bananas on January 07, 2010, 01:43:36 AM
Please let this not be related

Man reports toddler in Rio Grande
 
 
 
 

Associated Press - January 6, 2010 8:05 PM ET

LOS LUNAS, N.M. (AP) - Darkness has prompted police to call off a search for a possible toddler in the Rio Grande at Los Lunas.

The search began Wednesday afternoon after a man called 911 to say he'd seen a toddler floating face-down in the river.

Los Lunas Police Chief Roy Melnick says the man sounded credible, so police took no chances even though no one in the area reported a missing child.

The man was walking over a bridge on N.M. 6 when he spotted a child wearing a diaper in the river.

State police assisted with the search, and a dive team, a helicopter and a hovercraft were called in.

http://www.kvia.com/Global/story.asp?S=11781196

Interesting Northern Rose but quite a ways off the path from Tempe,AZ to San Antonio, TX.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 07, 2010, 01:48:02 AM
Once I mapped it I saw that it is a ways off.  If in fact there is a child in the river my heart goes out to the parents.  Even for EJ that would be out of the way to get to San Antonio. 


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: bananas on January 07, 2010, 01:53:32 AM
Once I mapped it I saw that it is a ways off.  If in fact there is a child in the river my heart goes out to the parents.  Even for EJ that would be out of the way to get to San Antonio. 

Definitely not the chosen route of most people BUT who knows?  Hope the guy was mistaken....


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 07, 2010, 01:54:00 AM
I am off to bed.  Hoping to  see news that Gabriel is found safe when I come back tomorrow.

Good night and God bless.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: bananas on January 07, 2010, 01:55:13 AM
I am off to bed.  Hoping to  see news that Gabriel is found safe when I come back tomorrow.

Good night and God bless.

Sweet dreams Northern Rose.... I am going there myself.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: trimmonthelake on January 07, 2010, 08:29:36 AM
http://abclocal.go.com/wpvi/story?section=news/national_world&id=7205395
ABC 

TEMPE, Ariz. - January 7, 2010 -- There are new twists into the mystery surrounding a missing 8-month-old Tempe boy.
 The boy's mother, Elizabeth Johnson, 23, says she gave her son, Gabriel, to complete strangers.

"They wanted the baby, and she simply gave it to them," said Bob Johnson, Elizabeth's grandfather.

Bob Johnson said he doesn't understand the decision, but says he believes his granddaughter's story. She said she gave her baby to a Texas couple she met while on the run from police.

"It sounded like a pretty weak story, almost on the border of unbelievable, that a person would do that to 8-month-old child," Bob Johnson said.

Elizabeth lost custody of her son after she failed to show up for a custody hearing between herself and Gabriel's father.

There has been no sign of the boy since the day after Christmas. Elizabeth initially told the boy's father she killed their son, but her grandfather says he believes the child is safe.

However, he admits he has no clue where the boy is.

"I don't think she'd harm the baby. I'd be surprised if it turned out that way," he said.

On Tuesday police found Elizabeth's car outside a San Antonio Hotel. Police processed the car for any clues that might lead them to the missing boy.

(Copyright ©2010 ABC, Inc.)


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: trimmonthelake on January 07, 2010, 08:39:43 AM
Where is Baby Gabriel  video
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/34745448#34745448


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 07, 2010, 09:51:22 AM
Baby Gabriel Likely Still Alive, Cops Say
Father Pleads for Son's Return After Mom Claims to Have Left Him With Random Couple (video)

A missing 8-month-old Arizona baby is likely still alive, despite his young mother's claim that she killed him, according to police.

Gabriel Johnson's biological father, Logan McQueary, is begging for the return of his son, who was taken cross-country by his mother, Elizabeth Johnson, last month. He and police believe Johnson may have left the couple's son with people she met in San Antonio, Texas, in an effort to hide Gabriel from McQueary.

"Please, do the right thing and turn him over. Don't worry about getting in trouble or anything like that," McQueary said on "Good Morning America" today to whoever knows where Gabriel is. "Please. I want my son back."

Although police say they now have indications to the contrary, McQueary said he received text messages from his ex-girlfriend while she was on the run claiming to have murdered their baby. She was arrested Dec. 29 in Miami Beach without Gabriel and charged with interfering with custody.

"The last indications that we have was that Gabriel was alive and well in the San Antonio area on Dec. 26," Tempe Police Sgt. Steve Carbajal told "Good Morning America" today. "We are receiving some indications that Gabriel is still alive and we're very optimistic about that."

In a jailhouse interview this week with a Phoenix CBS affiliate, Johnson, 23, of Tempe, Ariz., denied harming their son, saying she told McQueary she had killed Gabriel to get back at him.

"He had ruined my life and he hurt me and I wanted to hurt him," she said. "And that was the only thing I could say that would hurt him."

She claimed in the same interview to have left her son with a random couple she met in a San Antonio park, but that she didn't know anything about them other than that they seemed trustworthy.

Johnson's grandfather, Bob Johnson, told ABC News that he doesn't believe his granddaughter's story that she simply left her child with an unknown couple.

"I think that she has given the baby to somebody and I think she knows who it is," he said. "I think it's in San Antonio in somebody else's house and she just ain't given it up.

"She has an anger-management problem and she's working on that," Bob Johnson said


MORE....


http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/search-baby-gabriel-infant-alive-cops/story?id=9499798


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Searching on January 07, 2010, 10:08:11 AM
http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/34745488/ns/today-today_people/?ns=today-today_people

Is missing baby Gabriel still alive?
Police hold out hope for 8-month-old whose mother claimed she killed him

By Michael Inbar
TODAYshow.com contributor
updated 36 minutes ago

It’s a missing child case with an odd twist — and, authorities believe, possibly a better outcome in store than many.

Tempe, Ariz., resident Elizabeth Johnson told her estranged boyfriend Logan McQueary she had killed their 8-month-old son Gabriel, then backtracked and claimed she had given the boy to a couple she met in Texas.

For now, the incarcerated Johnson isn’t talking, but Tempe Police Sgt. Steve Carbajal told Meredith Vieira live on TODAY Thursday they have evidence young Gabriel is alive — and, hopefully, well.
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“We are very hopeful, and we are getting information that Gabriel is alive,” Carbajal said. “That’s what’s keeping us going in this investigation, to return Logan’s baby boy to him.”

A frightening message
The missing child case began to unfold Dec. 8, when McQueary split from Johnson and moved out of the couple’s home. The two had experienced relationship problems, many of them involving their child.

Shortly after the baby’s birth, Elizabeth Johnson tried to give the child up for adoption to an Arizona couple, but McQueary fought against it. When McQueary wouldn’t agree to the arrangement, a custody hearing was set for Dec. 28. But two days before the scheduled hearing, he received a text message that chilled him to the bone — Johnson wrote that she had killed their child.

Appearing with Sgt. Carbajal on TODAY Thursday, McQueary said that after receiving the text, he didn’t want to believe his former mate was capable of such an act.

“[I was] scared, and the first thing I did was call her,” McQueary told Vieira. “I kept asking her whether she did it or not. She said ‘yes.’ I didn’t know what to do, so I went to the police.”

Cont at site


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: no rose colored glasses on January 07, 2010, 10:15:01 AM
I don't like the fact that Elizabeth went off her medication for postpartum depression, that is never good  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 07, 2010, 10:17:35 AM
Police: Getting indications that Tempe baby is alive (with video)

Police said they are getting indications and information that a missing Tempe baby is alive, and the child's father said he's holding out hope that his son is OK.

Tempe police Sgt. Steve Carbajal told NBC's "Today" show that he's hopeful 8-month-old Gabriel Johnson will be returned to his father, Logan McQueary.

The baby was last seen in San Antonio in December with his 23-year-old mother, who allegedly told McQueary, her ex-boyfriend, that she'd killed their baby.

Elizabeth Johnson was arrested last week in Miami Beach, Fla., on suspicion of custodial interference after she failed to show up for a custodial hearing in Phoenix.

She has since told a Phoenix television station that she gave the boy away and made up the killing story.

McQueary spoke on several morning shows Thursday, saying that he hopes his child is being taken care of, and that he's safely returned.

Meanwhile, FBI officials in San Antonio are combing through a 1995 Oldsmobile in search of clues that could reveal the whereabouts of the baby.

On Tuesday, the FBI and police in San Antonio located Johnson's car, a white 1995 Oldsmobile Delta 88 with Arizona license plate AGZ4214, FBI Special Agent Erik Vasys said.

"We are in the process of inventorying the vehicle and searching it," Vasys said.

Authorities said Johnson spent Dec. 22 to 27 at two motels in San Antonio.

He declined to say what was found inside the car, which was parked at a Motel 6 at 7950 Interstate 35 South, near Interstate 35 and State Road 422. However, Vasys told the Associated Press a baby seat and other items were found inside, but there were no apparent signs of violence.

Vasys also declined to say whether Johnson had stayed at the motel.

Carbajal said that locating the vehicle was key to the investigation as there was a "possibility" the child may have still been in the car.

"We had information that she may have been looking to rid herself of the child, but at the same time, or around the same time, she made threats that she killed the baby," Carbajal said. "So which one was correct? That's what we were trying to figure out."

Johnson was arrested Dec. 30 without her son, who was last seen Dec. 26 by witnesses in San Antonio. The next day, she sent the baby's father a text message telling him she'd killed the baby. That's when he went to the police.

At a pre-scheduled hearing in Maricopa County Superior Court on Dec. 28, a judge awarded McQueary the custody of the child when Johnson didn't show up. A warrant for custodial interference was then issued for Johnson.

Since her arrest, she's invoked her right to remain silent and has refused to say what happened to the child. For the last seven months, a Phoenix couple has been trying to adopt the child, though McQueary has repeatedly refused to sign over his rights.

In a phone interview with a Phoenix TV station, Johnson said she gave her son to another couple she met at a San Antonio park.

"They approached me and came up to me as I was out alone with the baby at the park," Johnson told the TV station. "I trusted them. I believe in my heart they are good people."

In the interview, Johnson said she told McQueary she killed the child because "he had ruined my life and he hurt me and I wanted to hurt him. That was the only thing I could say that would hurt him."

Johnson said she told police about the San Antonio couple she reportedly gave Gabriel to. However, Tempe police have been unable to confirm her story, Carbajal said.

When asked if Johnson was concerned whether Gabriel was dead or alive, she simply replied "no, I'm not."


http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2010/01/07/20100107tr-MissingBaby07-ON.html


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Searching on January 07, 2010, 10:17:47 AM
http://www.woai.com/news/local/story/Update-FBI-working-on-sketch-of-couple-mom-says/1gW7IWXbyk-ZzYrCnWVD1g.cspx

Update: FBI working on sketch of couple mom says has missing baby

SAN ANTONIO -- The mother of a missing baby is said to be working with the F.B.I. on a sketch of the couple she allegedly gave the child to in San Antonio.

Elizabeth Johnson remains in a Florida jail. She told authorities she gave her 8-month-old son Gabriel to a couple she met with at Raymond Russell Park.


Cont. at site


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 07, 2010, 10:22:23 AM
Elizabeth was placed in foster care at age 3

she has been in 5 foster homes

history of lying

her father was bipolar

no mention of her mother



Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 07, 2010, 10:24:16 AM
Update: Mom, FBI working on sketch of couple who may have missing baby
(video)

http://www.woai.com/news/local/story/Update-Mom-FBI-working-on-sketch-of-couple-who/1gW7IWXbyk-ZzYrCnWVD1g.cspx


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 07, 2010, 10:27:03 AM
Mom says she gave baby to Texas couple

PHOENIX -- The Arizona mother of a baby who vanished the day after Christmas now claims she gave the 8-month-old boy to a Texas couple, complete strangers, police said as they pleaded for the public to help find the boy.

"They wanted the baby and she simply gave it to them," Bob Johnson, the grandfather of Elizabeth Johnson, told ABC News.

The grandfather was somewhat skeptical of the latest claims by Elizabeth Johnson, who is jailed in Florida awaiting extradition to Arizona.

"It sounded like a pretty weak story," Bob Johnson said. "It's almost on the border of unbelievable, that a person would do that with an 8-month-old child."

He said he doubts that Elizabeth Johnson harmed baby Gabriel Johnson, but said she used "poor judgment" in running from a custody fight in Arizona and that "she'll have to pay for that."

Tempe Police Sgt. Steve Carbajal appeared on ABC's "Good Morning America" Thursday and pleaded for the return of the baby.

"We want Gabriel returned safely," Carbajal said. "If somebody has Gabriel, if you could turn him into a fire department, a hospital, some safe place. That's all we're asking."

The baby's father, Logan McQueary -- who said earlier that he had received a text message from Johnson telling him she had killed the boy -- joined Carbajal in pleading for help to find the boy.

"Just please do the right thing and turn him over," McQueary said. "You don't have to worry about getting in trouble or anything like that. Take him to a fire station, any place, a hospital."

Carbajal said the baby was last seen Dec. 26 in San Antonio, where his mother's car was found Tuesday in a motel parking lot.

"We are receiving some indications that Gabriel is still alive," Carbajal said. "And we're very optimistic about that."

He asked for the public's help.

"Look for signs with your neighbors. If some people in your neighborhood or somebody you know starts buying items for a newborn child or an infant child that they hadn't had in the past, please report that."

http://ktar.com/?nid=6&sid=1249911


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 07, 2010, 10:30:45 AM
Police: "Indications" Missing Baby Alive
Mother, Under Arrest, Claims She Gave 8-Month-Old to Strangers; Desperate Father Says She Said She'd Killed the Infant

(CBS/ AP)  Police say there are signs a baby missing since just after Christmas -- whose mother claims to have given him to complete strangers in a Texas park -- and whose father says she claimed to have killed the infant -- is alive.

Eight-month-old Gabriel Johnson, at the center of a heated custody dispute, was last seen in San Antonio with his 23-year-old mother, Elizabeth Johnson, of Tempe, Ariz. Authorities say Johnson spent Dec. 22-27 at two motels there.

Johnson's white Oldsmobile was found at a San Antonio motel Tuesday. A baby seat and other items were inside, and there were no obvious signs of violence, said FBI spokesman Eric Vasys.

Gabriel's biological father, Logan McQueary, said during a Monday news conference in Tempe that he had received a text message from Johnson telling him she had killed their son. But McQueary said he had "a feeling" the boy was still alive.

Johnson was arrested last week in Miami Beach, Fla., on suspicion of custodial interference after she failed to show up for a custodial hearing in Phoenix.

CBS News Correspondent Randall Pinkston reports that Johnson says she gave Gabriel away to total strangers in a San Antonio park.

In a jailhouse interview, Johnson told a reporter she "trusted them," and believes "in my heart they are good people."

Police worry the mother's strange story may not add up, Pinkston notes. For one, when prodded, Johnson couldn't come up with the couple's name or address.

In the interview, she admitted she'd "made a hasty decision, and I thought it would be ... I thought it was OK."

Asked whether she was worried about whether her son is dead or alive, she responded, "No, I'm not."

As for the assertion she'd killed her baby, Johnson said she did it to get back at McQueary, who'd "ruined my life, and he had hurt me, and I wanted to hurt him, and that was the only thing I could say that would hurt him"

On "The Early Show" Thursday, Tempe police Sgt. Steven Carbajal told co-anchor Maggie Rodriguez, "We have some indications that Gabriel is still alive. ... We're optimistic Gabriel is alive, and we're doing everything wee can to return Gabriel safely to his father."

He stressed that Tempe courts have named McQueary as Gabriel's custodial father. Calling McQueary a "loving father," Carbajal added, "There's no doubt in my mind that Gabriel would be very well off with Logan and his family."

McQueary told Rodriguez, "I'm really sad. I want to find Gabriel. I want to get any help we could get out there. I'm hoping he's with some people who don't know anything about this and ... if they're worried about getting in trouble, just take him to a fire station, a hospital, anywhere."

He said he thinks Johnson is capable of hurting Gabriel, but doesn't think she did.

"I want to give Gabriel a good life, make him part of the family. (Johnson) never seemed like she really cared much about him."

Pinkston points out this may not be the first time Johnson has tried to give Gabriel away. Another couple says she offered Gabriel to them after they met at an airport.

"What's more," Pinkston says, "court documents show this was one nasty custody battle, with Johnson reportedly arrested for cutting up all of McQueary's clothes and destroying much of their furniture."

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/01/07/earlyshow/main6066961.shtml


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: no rose colored glasses on January 07, 2010, 10:37:11 AM
http://www.woai.com/news/local/story/Update-FBI-working-on-sketch-of-couple-mom-says/1gW7IWXbyk-ZzYrCnWVD1g.cspx

Update: FBI working on sketch of couple mom says has missing baby

SAN ANTONIO -- The mother of a missing baby is said to be working with the F.B.I. on a sketch of the couple she allegedly gave the child to in San Antonio.

Elizabeth Johnson remains in a Florida jail. She told authorities she gave her 8-month-old son Gabriel to a couple she met with at Raymond Russell Park.


Cont. at site
I sure hope this is real, and not some made up bs in Elizabeth's mind.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: leslee on January 07, 2010, 10:47:35 AM
http://www.woai.com/news/local/story/Update-FBI-working-on-sketch-of-couple-mom-says/1gW7IWXbyk-ZzYrCnWVD1g.cspx

Update: FBI working on sketch of couple mom says has missing baby

SAN ANTONIO -- The mother of a missing baby is said to be working with the F.B.I. on a sketch of the couple she allegedly gave the child to in San Antonio.

Elizabeth Johnson remains in a Florida jail. She told authorities she gave her 8-month-old son Gabriel to a couple she met with at Raymond Russell Park.


Cont. at site
I sure hope this is real, and not some made up bs in Elizabeth's mind.

Hi NR and all monkeys ::HelloKitty::

After reading this entire thread I am torn between thinking her bipolar got the best of her ( not that thats an excuse) or she found the "underground" couple that pyschowoman posted on her fb page Dec. 23rd.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Monkey with Class on January 07, 2010, 10:51:16 AM
Do we know what she did in Miami?  What was her demeanor throuout the day?  Did she just sleep in the Hostel or did she stay there throuout the day.   This could be very telling as to what type of actions she was performing.  I am sure the FBI/LE are sifting thru her cell phone records and text messages.  Wonder if they will provide any clues.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 07, 2010, 10:56:00 AM
Today Show Video

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/26184891/vp/34746158#34745448


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: no rose colored glasses on January 07, 2010, 10:56:41 AM
http://www.woai.com/news/local/story/Update-FBI-working-on-sketch-of-couple-mom-says/1gW7IWXbyk-ZzYrCnWVD1g.cspx

Update: FBI working on sketch of couple mom says has missing baby

SAN ANTONIO -- The mother of a missing baby is said to be working with the F.B.I. on a sketch of the couple she allegedly gave the child to in San Antonio.

Elizabeth Johnson remains in a Florida jail. She told authorities she gave her 8-month-old son Gabriel to a couple she met with at Raymond Russell Park.


Cont. at site
I sure hope this is real, and not some made up bs in Elizabeth's mind.

Hi NR and all monkeys ::HelloKitty::

After reading this entire thread I am torn between thinking her bipolar got the best of her ( not that thats an excuse) or she found the "underground" couple that pyschowoman posted on her fb page Dec. 23rd.
I really hope and pray that her bipolar topped with postpartum depression didn't get the best of her. Terrible combination, and then to have stopped her meds, scares me to death, what she may have done.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 07, 2010, 10:59:43 AM
Do we know what she did in Miami?  What was her demeanor throuout the day?  Did she just sleep in the Hostel or did she stay there throuout the day.   This could be very telling as to what type of actions she was performing.  I am sure the FBI/LE are sifting thru her cell phone records and text messages.  Wonder if they will provide any clues.

I want to know how she got to Miami.  Tornado Bus which was confirmed as being the one she took last night does not go to Miami.  She had to get to Miami Beach from either Fort Myers or Plant City. 


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: no rose colored glasses on January 07, 2010, 11:12:07 AM
Do we know what she did in Miami?  What was her demeanor throuout the day?  Did she just sleep in the Hostel or did she stay there throuout the day.   This could be very telling as to what type of actions she was performing.  I am sure the FBI/LE are sifting thru her cell phone records and text messages.  Wonder if they will provide any clues.

I want to know how she got to Miami.  Tornado Bus which was confirmed as being the one she took last night does not go to Miami.  She had to get to Miami Beach from either Fort Myers or Plant City. 
Not only that, how did she end up in a youth hostel? Did she know about this place ahead of time?


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: cookie on January 07, 2010, 11:18:44 AM
morning all...this is really sad and scary..

does anyone else ever wonder why children go off to foster care when there are grand parents around? Elizabeth was in and out of foster homes...don't know any of the circumstances  but as a grand parent, I couldn't imagine letting my grand child go to foster care if there was a chance that I could care for the child..in other words, if there was a  breath left in my body...Not judging anyone, just saying for me, that would not be an option if given a choice...makes me wonder if a child's life could have turned out differently if life had given them a different route ......dunno...


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 07, 2010, 11:33:23 AM
Does anyone else think that if a composite of the couple is made "Cheryl" will have a uncanny resemblance to Tammi and "Cheryl's husband" will have a great similarity to Jack?

I am believing more and more that Tammi has a lot to do with where things are at right now.  That she wanted a child so bad that she saw a vulnerability and took advantage of it at all cost.  Nothing has been said as to why EJ took of to San Antonio as a destination.  I do not think that was a random choice.  I think she was coaxed and groomed and preyed on.  JMO.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 07, 2010, 11:38:39 AM
http://www.woai.com/news/local/story/Update-FBI-working-on-sketch-of-couple-mom-says/1gW7IWXbyk-ZzYrCnWVD1g.cspx

Update: FBI working on sketch of couple mom says has missing baby

SAN ANTONIO -- The mother of a missing baby is said to be working with the F.B.I. on a sketch of the couple she allegedly gave the child to in San Antonio.

Elizabeth Johnson remains in a Florida jail. She told authorities she gave her 8-month-old son Gabriel to a couple she met with at Raymond Russell Park.


Cont. at site
I sure hope this is real, and not some made up bs in Elizabeth's mind.

Hi NR and all monkeys ::HelloKitty::

After reading this entire thread I am torn between thinking her bipolar got the best of her ( not that thats an excuse) or she found the "underground" couple that pyschowoman posted on her fb page Dec. 23rd.

Hi Leslee   ::HelloKitty::

Here is a thought I want to toss out.  EJ came off her meds recently.  Enima woman is all over the net with the natural benefits of flushing out and how it cures everything.  Did Enima woman have anything to do with convincing EJ to stop her meds and then hook her up with the underground? 


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: cookie on January 07, 2010, 11:40:49 AM
NorthernRose...I think that your thinking is making a lot of sense....


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 07, 2010, 11:43:08 AM
Speaking of Enima woman, she is busy deleting stuff from her MS.  Only 3 albums left today.  Bet her FB got an enima as well.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 07, 2010, 12:00:36 PM
NorthernRose...I think that your thinking is making a lot of sense....

listening to the full call and hearing Enima woman coax certain aspects of it from EJ it came to me when the reporter asked EJ why did she do this and Enima woman pipes in "you were on a ledge and Logan pushed you over", that Enima woman could have been talking about what SHE really did in this whole thing.  Starting in Nov 2008 she is all over looking for a child to play with her youngest, and some of it looks pretty desperate.  I think she saw a weakness, set things up, and went in for the kill and watched as it all started to play out according to plan.  Only thing she was not counting on was Logan not being cooperative.  In her own words "his ego has gotten in the way........"  JMO


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Searching on January 07, 2010, 12:02:47 PM
NorthernRose...I think that your thinking is making a lot of sense....

listening to the full call and hearing Enima woman coax certain aspects of it from EJ it came to me when the reporter asked EJ why did she do this and Enima woman pipes in "you were on a ledge and Logan pushed you over", that Enima woman could have been talking about what SHE really did in this whole thing.  Starting in Nov 2008 she is all over looking for a child to play with her youngest, and some of it looks pretty desperate.  I think she saw a weakness, set things up, and went in for the kill and watched as it all started to play out according to plan.  Only thing she was not counting on was Logan not being cooperative.  In her own words "his ego has gotten in the way........"  JMO

Does she or her husband have any family in SA?


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 07, 2010, 12:04:37 PM
NorthernRose...I think that your thinking is making a lot of sense....

listening to the full call and hearing Enima woman coax certain aspects of it from EJ it came to me when the reporter asked EJ why did she do this and Enima woman pipes in "you were on a ledge and Logan pushed you over", that Enima woman could have been talking about what SHE really did in this whole thing.  Starting in Nov 2008 she is all over looking for a child to play with her youngest, and some of it looks pretty desperate.  I think she saw a weakness, set things up, and went in for the kill and watched as it all started to play out according to plan.  Only thing she was not counting on was Logan not being cooperative.  In her own words "his ego has gotten in the way........"  JMO

Does she or her husband have any family in SA?

Don't know.  Jack did say that they had friends in SA and then said they have contacts which he further elaborated as a radio station. 


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: no rose colored glasses on January 07, 2010, 12:04:56 PM
NorthernRose...I think that your thinking is making a lot of sense....
Total sense, Tammi preyed on Elizabeth, somehow got her to stop her meds, and who knows what else she did.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Searching on January 07, 2010, 12:17:35 PM
NorthernRose...I think that your thinking is making a lot of sense....
Total sense, Tammi preyed on Elizabeth, somehow got her to stop her meds, and who knows what else she did.

I agree. I also think that if someone had baby Gabriel that they would have come forward, honestly I do and my gut just does not feel right with this one. If it is proven that they preyed upon her and got her off her meds resulting in her harming,fatally or otherwise,Baby Gabe, they should be charged for the crime just the same as she.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: no rose colored glasses on January 07, 2010, 12:30:52 PM
NorthernRose...I think that your thinking is making a lot of sense....
Total sense, Tammi preyed on Elizabeth, somehow got her to stop her meds, and who knows what else she did.

I agree. I also think that if someone had baby Gabriel that they would have come forward, honestly I do and my gut just does not feel right with this one. If it is proven that they preyed upon her and got her off her meds resulting in her harming,fatally or otherwise,Baby Gabe, they should be charged for the crime just the same as she.
I believe also that if someone had Gabriel they would step forward, makes no sense not to, someone along the way will recognize the baby.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 07, 2010, 12:39:17 PM
NorthernRose...I think that your thinking is making a lot of sense....
Total sense, Tammi preyed on Elizabeth, somehow got her to stop her meds, and who knows what else she did.

I agree. I also think that if someone had baby Gabriel that they would have come forward, honestly I do and my gut just does not feel right with this one. If it is proven that they preyed upon her and got her off her meds resulting in her harming,fatally or otherwise,Baby Gabe, they should be charged for the crime just the same as she.
I believe also that if someone had Gabriel they would step forward, makes no sense not to, someone along the way will recognize the baby.

Could Tammi and Jack have a connection with the couple in the park ... the couple who Elizabeth claims she gave Gabrial too.  Is it all a baby selling scheme?  Was Elizabeth duped?

Just speculating.

Janet


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: darla on January 07, 2010, 12:51:31 PM
Janet...my thoughts are on the same path as yours. Tammi was all over the net trying to find surrogate mother's. I just have this sick feeling that she and hubby are in the baby brokering business. I just don't see the point in not coming forward if you have the child. It is national news, if someone has him they would be crazy not to turn the baby over to authorities. Tammi didn't raise her own children, why is she so desperate for another child??


Forgot my manners...Good Afternoon Monkeys!


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: no rose colored glasses on January 07, 2010, 12:59:22 PM
Janet...my thoughts are on the same path as yours. Tammi was all over the net trying to find surrogate mother's. I just have this sick feeling that she and hubby are in the baby brokering business. I just don't see the point in not coming forward if you have the child. It is national news, if someone has him they would be crazy not to turn the baby over to authorities. Tammi didn't raise her own children, why is she so desperate for another child??


Forgot my manners...Good Afternoon Monkeys!
Hi Darla. What is this obsession with having other children? And she kept saying that the three year old was wanting a sibling all the time. I don't believe that. I find Tammi to be a dangerous woman on a couple levels. I mean who sees a stressed out mother and comes to the realization that the mother doesn't want the baby?  ::MonkeyShocked::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Searching on January 07, 2010, 01:01:55 PM
Janet...my thoughts are on the same path as yours. Tammi was all over the net trying to find surrogate mother's. I just have this sick feeling that she and hubby are in the baby brokering business. I just don't see the point in not coming forward if you have the child. It is national news, if someone has him they would be crazy not to turn the baby over to authorities. Tammi didn't raise her own children, why is she so desperate for another child??


Forgot my manners...Good Afternoon Monkeys!
Hi Darla. What is this obsession with having other children? And she kept saying that the three year old was wanting a sibling all the time. I don't believe that. I find Tammi to be a dangerous woman on a couple levels. I mean who sees a stressed out mother and comes to the realization that the mother doesn't want the baby?  ::MonkeyShocked::

Something is off with the mothers story, their story and the story period.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 07, 2010, 01:05:02 PM
Janet...my thoughts are on the same path as yours. Tammi was all over the net trying to find surrogate mother's. I just have this sick feeling that she and hubby are in the baby brokering business. I just don't see the point in not coming forward if you have the child. It is national news, if someone has him they would be crazy not to turn the baby over to authorities. Tammi didn't raise her own children, why is she so desperate for another child??


Forgot my manners...Good Afternoon Monkeys!

If you see a mother struggling and stressed it is not normal to walk up to them and ask if you can adopt their baby.  They can spin it any way they want but if adoption did come up in the conversation or something to the effect of take my baby for a while, they should have helped by alerting officials or facilitate taking Gabriel and or EJ to social services, a crisis center, the police etc.   The Smith's are clearly educated and versed in adoption and the process.  It makes no sense that they did this without motive of their own knowing first hand the proper steps and contacts involved in temp custody and adoption.   They would have contacts in the "system" already from their own adoption so can not claim ignorance and trying to do the right thing....yadda....yadda 


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: darla on January 07, 2010, 01:07:17 PM
Ok...There are 2 Cheryl's on Tammi Facebook friends. Someone with better sleuthing skills than me might can find where these two ladies live.
Cheryl Cornell Torchia
Cheryl Parker Lewis.

Wonder where Jessstar is? She has all kind of data bases.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: darla on January 07, 2010, 01:10:24 PM
If I see a young mother having a hard time I would ask if there was anything I could do to help, but this BS of Tammi's saying she knew by looking at her that she didn't want her baby is just that....... Bullchit

I really think the cops need to investigate the Smith's a lil bit more.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: leslee on January 07, 2010, 01:12:25 PM
http://www.woai.com/news/local/story/Update-FBI-working-on-sketch-of-couple-mom-says/1gW7IWXbyk-ZzYrCnWVD1g.cspx

Update: FBI working on sketch of couple mom says has missing baby

SAN ANTONIO -- The mother of a missing baby is said to be working with the F.B.I. on a sketch of the couple she allegedly gave the child to in San Antonio.

Elizabeth Johnson remains in a Florida jail. She told authorities she gave her 8-month-old son Gabriel to a couple she met with at Raymond Russell Park.


Cont. at site
I sure hope this is real, and not some made up bs in Elizabeth's mind.

Hi NR and all monkeys ::HelloKitty::

After reading this entire thread I am torn between thinking her bipolar got the best of her ( not that thats an excuse) or she found the "underground" couple that pyschowoman posted on her fb page Dec. 23rd.

Hi Leslee   ::HelloKitty::

Here is a thought I want to toss out.  EJ came off her meds recently.  Enima woman is all over the net with the natural benefits of flushing out and how it cures everything.  Did Enima woman have anything to do with convincing EJ to stop her meds and then hook her up with the underground? 

WOW.... that is a really good thought!!!!! Entirely plausible, she spent ten days with them right before she took off. I am beginning to think Enema woman is a baby broker and has no intention of finding a brother/sister for Hannah but thats how she attracts people who are thinking of giving up their kids. Only thing is... why is she putting herself out there to the media at all? Why not lie low? And the only answer I can come up with for that is because she is crazy and wants the attention. Any other ideas?


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: no rose colored glasses on January 07, 2010, 01:14:46 PM
Tammi is crazy and wants the attention, and her husband is going along with it for whatever reason.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: darla on January 07, 2010, 01:36:15 PM
Found this on Zoom Info

 Teen MOP Surprised with New Car - Christ's Church of... - [Cached Version]
Published on: 11/7/2004    Last Visited: 11/7/2004 

According to Cheryl Torchia, Director of Women's Ministries at CCV, the surprise gift is the result of an anonymous donation: pe was donated to CCV, and we decided the best use for this car would be to give it away to one of our Teen MOPS (Mothers of Preschoolers).We have an extensive program to help teen mothers in the area and I thought this gift in particular would mean a lot to one overworked single teen mom.#34

Torchia also stated that, though there are many teen mothers in the program who are in need and who are working to improve their lives for themselves and for their children, only one would be able to receive the car.
...
As Torchia stated, #34Like many young girls trying to raise children alone, September faces an uphill struggle.

Edit:  Add link per darla.  MB


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: darla on January 07, 2010, 01:37:07 PM
Forgot the link:
http://www.zoominfo.com/people/Cornell-Torchia_Cheryl_368414496.aspx

Added link.  MB


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 07, 2010, 01:43:33 PM
Ok...There are 2 Cheryl's on Tammi Facebook friends. Someone with better sleuthing skills than me might can find where these two ladies live.
Cheryl Cornell Torchia
Cheryl Parker Lewis.

Wonder where Jessstar is? She has all kind of data bases.

First one, CCT works for Christ's Church of the Valley.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: cookie on January 07, 2010, 01:43:39 PM
something is  mighty strange and suspect in my mind about this couple, especially Tammi...how much money does one make flushing out other people's poop shutes anyways???? just sayin..


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: leslee on January 07, 2010, 01:47:54 PM
something is  mighty strange and suspect in my mind about this couple, especially Tammi...how much money does one make flushing out other people's poop shutes anyways???? just sayin..

I think it can be a lucrative business if you cater to the right people. AZ is full of resorts and the rich and famous use this to lose weight..... I can't remember the celebrity but one of them had 20 lbs of fecal matter when he died. If you look up colonics you will see that we are literally loaded with shit! But I suspect she makes money on the side as a baby broker....I'm sticking with that!


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: mymonkey on January 07, 2010, 01:50:20 PM
Tammi is crazy and wants the attention, and her husband is going along with it for whatever reason.
Tammi's husband appeared to have a severe case of brain farts last night on NG, and no offense he appears that he should be thinking more of grandchildren...not adopting a child ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyEek::





Good afternoon Monkeys ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 07, 2010, 01:54:41 PM
Police hopeful that missing Tempe baby is alive (with video)

police were hopeful Thursday that a missing Arizona 8-month-old boy was alive and possibly in the San Antonio, Texas, area.

Tempe police spokesman Sgt. Steve Carbajal said, "We don't have a definitive location or we'd be there."

Gabriel Johnson was last seen in San Antonio in December with his 23-year-old mother, who allegedly told her ex-boyfriend, Logan McQueary, that she'd killed their baby. Elizabeth Johnson was arrested last week in Florida on suspicion of custodial interference after she didn't show up for a custodial hearing.

McQueary spoke on several morning shows Thursday, saying that he hopes his child is being taken care of, and that he's safely returned. Police were using the national media coverage to spread a message to anyone who might have Gabriel that prosecution is not a priority.

"If you have him, drop him off somewhere safe and walk away," Carbajal said. "Prosecution is not a big concern right now, it's getting back Gabriel that's the focus and has always been the focus."

When asked if Johnson could be capable of killing her child, McQueary told NBC's "Today" show that, "she may be. I don't want to think that she did it. I believe Gabriel is alive and well."

After her arrest, she has told KPHO Channel 5 that she gave the boy away to a couple in San Antonio and made up the killing story.

He said if anyone who has Gabriel is afraid of getting in trouble, they could drop him off at a hospital or fire station.

Authorities urged anyone who know's where Gabriel is to call The National Center for Missing and Exploited Children at 1-800-THE-LOST.

http://www.azcentral.com/12news/news/articles/2010/01/07/20100107tr-MissingBaby07-ON-CP.html


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: mymonkey on January 07, 2010, 01:58:31 PM
something is  mighty strange and suspect in my mind about this couple, especially Tammi...how much money does one make flushing out other people's poop shutes anyways???? just sayin..

I think it can be a lucrative business if you cater to the right people. AZ is full of resorts and the rich and famous use this to lose weight..... I can't remember the celebrity but one of them had 20 lbs of fecal matter when he died. If you look up colonics you will see that we are literally loaded with shit! But I suspect she makes money on the side as a baby broker....I'm sticking with that theory.



leslee...that is my theory also...I still would like to know how much money the Smiths offered EJ for Gabe....I have a feeling we will see a lot of people exposed that  are involved in the baby broker business ::MonkeyMad::


lele


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 07, 2010, 01:59:04 PM
Leticia Lance was on HLN and said according to Grandpa Bob, EJ had no connections or ties or family in San Antonio.  He is confused why she chose there to go.  He also said that she was very internet suave and thinks if she did give the baby away she had prearranged it by advertising on the internet. 


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: cookie on January 07, 2010, 01:59:15 PM
Tammi is crazy and wants the attention, and her husband is going along with it for whatever reason.
Tammi's husband appeared to have a severe case of brain farts last night on NG, and no offense he appears that he should be thinking more of grandchildren...not adopting a child ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyEek::





Good afternoon Monkeys ::MonkeyAngel::


exactly what hubs and I had said last night while watching him...


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 07, 2010, 02:02:02 PM
something is  mighty strange and suspect in my mind about this couple, especially Tammi...how much money does one make flushing out other people's poop shutes anyways???? just sayin..

I think it can be a lucrative business if you cater to the right people. AZ is full of resorts and the rich and famous use this to lose weight..... I can't remember the celebrity but one of them had 20 lbs of fecal matter when he died. If you look up colonics you will see that we are literally loaded with shit! But I suspect she makes money on the side as a baby broker....I'm sticking with that theory.



leslee...that is my theory also...I still would like to know how much money the Smiths offered EJ for Gabe....I have a feeling we will see a lot of people exposed that  are involved in the baby broker business ::MonkeyMad::


lele

That is exactly what my hubby said when we just saw the piece on HLN.  He is not familiar with this case, watched the clip, called BS right away and said she sold the baby and is willing to sit in jail for the few years she will get for interference of custody then will be out to be free with the money she got for selling Gabriel.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: mymonkey on January 07, 2010, 02:04:58 PM
Leticia Lance was on HLN and said according to Grandpa Bob, EJ had no connections or ties or family in San Antonio.  He is confused why she chose there to go.  He also said that she was very internet suave and thinks if she did give the baby away she had prearranged it by advertising on the internet. 


I have a feeling EJ is a whole smarter than we know......maybe the Smiths would not give her the amount of money she wanted so she went for the highest bidder....The Smiths were not going to recieve Gabe as a gift from EJ....Money Talks!!!!


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: cookie on January 07, 2010, 02:08:02 PM
Leticia Lance was on HLN and said according to Grandpa Bob, EJ had no connections or ties or family in San Antonio.  He is confused why she chose there to go.  He also said that she was very internet suave and thinks if she did give the baby away she had prearranged it by advertising on the internet. 


I have a feeling EJ is a whole smarter than we know......maybe the Smiths would not give her the amount of money she wanted so she went for the highest bidder....The Smiths were not going to recieve Gabe as a gift from EJ....Money Talks!!!!

agreed....could very well be true...


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: mymonkey on January 07, 2010, 02:13:09 PM
Leticia Lance was on HLN and said according to Grandpa Bob, EJ had no connections or ties or family in San Antonio.  He is confused why she chose there to go.  He also said that she was very internet suave and thinks if she did give the baby away she had prearranged it by advertising on the internet. 


I have a feeling EJ is a whole smarter than we know......maybe the Smiths would not give her the amount of money she wanted so she went for the highest bidder....The Smiths were not going to recieve Gabe as a gift from EJ....Money Talks!!!!


Grandpaw might have the money buried in his back yard that EJ got for Gabe.....I am surprised he said "if she gave the baby away " he knows damn well she did not give the baby away....BABY SOLD!!


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 07, 2010, 02:14:05 PM
Leticia Lance was on HLN and said according to Grandpa Bob, EJ had no connections or ties or family in San Antonio.  He is confused why she chose there to go.  He also said that she was very internet suave and thinks if she did give the baby away she had prearranged it by advertising on the internet. 


I have a feeling EJ is a whole smarter than we know......maybe the Smiths would not give her the amount of money she wanted so she went for the highest bidder....The Smiths were not going to recieve Gabe as a gift from EJ....Money Talks!!!!

The surrogate site postings that Tammi left are interesting.  She responded only to young girls who had never done it before and offered very low (2,000 plus one visit while preg and being at hosp for the birth).  Experienced surrogates were telling these young girls that they should reconsider their decisions to do this at such a early age. 


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: mymonkey on January 07, 2010, 02:15:13 PM
Leticia Lance was on HLN and said according to Grandpa Bob, EJ had no connections or ties or family in San Antonio.  He is confused why she chose there to go.  He also said that she was very internet suave and thinks if she did give the baby away she had prearranged it by advertising on the internet. 


I have a feeling EJ is a whole smarter than we know......maybe the Smiths would not give her the amount of money she wanted so she went for the highest bidder....The Smiths were not going to recieve Gabe as a gift from EJ....Money Talks!!!!

agreed....could very well be true...


I would think there  would be cameras at a rest stop...just thinking.....if not this would be the perfect place to make the exchange.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 07, 2010, 02:16:01 PM
Leticia Lance was on HLN and said according to Grandpa Bob, EJ had no connections or ties or family in San Antonio.  He is confused why she chose there to go.  He also said that she was very internet suave and thinks if she did give the baby away she had prearranged it by advertising on the internet. 


I have a feeling EJ is a whole smarter than we know......maybe the Smiths would not give her the amount of money she wanted so she went for the highest bidder....The Smiths were not going to recieve Gabe as a gift from EJ....Money Talks!!!!


Grandpaw might have the money buried in his back yard that EJ got for Gabe.....I am surprised he said "if she gave the baby away " he knows damn well she did not give the baby away....BABY SOLD!!

My interpretation of that was that he knows she has it in her to harm Gabriele. 


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 07, 2010, 02:17:29 PM
Police: We believe 8-month-old left at S.A. park is still alive (with video)

There's still hope that a missing 8-month-old baby with ties to the Alamo City is alive.

"We have some indications that Gabriel is still alive," Sgt. Steven Carbajal of the Tempe Police Department.

Police are offering no further details as they search for Gabriel Johnson. His parents were locked in a nasty custody battle when he disappeared right after Christmas.

He was last seen with his mother, Elizabeth Johnson, who claims she gave the boy to complete strangers at a San Antonio park. She's been arrested in Florida on suspicion of what authorities call "custodial interference."

In a jailhouse interview, the 23-year-old Johnson talked about the couple who she says now have her baby..

"I trusted them," she told a reporter. "I believe in my heart they are good people."

Before her arrest, Johnson allegedly sent the father of the child, Logan McQueary, a text message saying, "There is no way in hell you will ever see your son again, I killed him." Later, she said she made that story up.

McQueary said he is not sure what has happened to baby Gabriel. He told reporters that he did not think Elizabeth had killed their son.

Investigators are not certain the mother is telling the truth about giving the boy away. Johnson claims to not know the name of the couple or their address.

"I made a hasty decision, and I thought it would be... I thought it was okay," she said.

Police are also concerned about another statement she made, that she's not worried about whether the boy is alive or dead.

http://www.kens5.com/news/Police-We-believe-8-month-old-left-at-SA-park-is-still-alive-80915877.html


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: cookie on January 07, 2010, 02:17:55 PM
Leticia Lance was on HLN and said according to Grandpa Bob, EJ had no connections or ties or family in San Antonio.  He is confused why she chose there to go.  He also said that she was very internet suave and thinks if she did give the baby away she had prearranged it by advertising on the internet. 


I have a feeling EJ is a whole smarter than we know......maybe the Smiths would not give her the amount of money she wanted so she went for the highest bidder....The Smiths were not going to recieve Gabe as a gift from EJ....Money Talks!!!!


Grandpaw might have the money buried in his back yard that EJ got for Gabe.....I am surprised he said "if she gave the baby away " he knows damn well she did not give the baby away....BABY SOLD!!

My interpretation of that was that he knows she has it in her to harm Gabriele. 

I agree...


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: mymonkey on January 07, 2010, 02:19:19 PM
Leticia Lance was on HLN and said according to Grandpa Bob, EJ had no connections or ties or family in San Antonio.  He is confused why she chose there to go.  He also said that she was very internet suave and thinks if she did give the baby away she had prearranged it by advertising on the internet. 


I have a feeling EJ is a whole smarter than we know......maybe the Smiths would not give her the amount of money she wanted so she went for the highest bidder....The Smiths were not going to recieve Gabe as a gift from EJ....Money Talks!!!!

The surrogate site postings that Tammi left are interesting.  She responded only to young girls who had never done it before and offered very low (2,000 plus one visit while preg and being at hosp for the birth).  Experienced surrogates were telling these young girls that they should reconsider their decisions to do this at such a early age. 
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Thats not much money...the Smiths could make a nice profit.Women that have their eggs harvested make more than that(i think) depending on how many eggs are taken.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: mymonkey on January 07, 2010, 02:24:00 PM
Leticia Lance was on HLN and said according to Grandpa Bob, EJ had no connections or ties or family in San Antonio.  He is confused why she chose there to go.  He also said that she was very internet suave and thinks if she did give the baby away she had prearranged it by advertising on the internet. 


I have a feeling EJ is a whole smarter than we know......maybe the Smiths would not give her the amount of money she wanted so she went for the highest bidder....The Smiths were not going to recieve Gabe as a gift from EJ....Money Talks!!!!


Grandpaw might have the money buried in his back yard that EJ got for Gabe.....I am surprised he said "if she gave the baby away " he knows damn well she did not give the baby away....BABY SOLD!!

My interpretation of that was that he knows she has it in her to harm Gabriele. 

I agree...



lol I am on the angry  train.... ::MonkeyShocked:: I did read earlier that he thoughtEJ could do harm to Gabe  then I read  that the sweet EJ would not...so question is which EJ are we talking about...without her meds like other monkeys have said that spells disaster.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Tracygirl on January 07, 2010, 02:31:46 PM
This case is unbelievable.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Monkey with Class on January 07, 2010, 02:33:06 PM
something is  mighty strange and suspect in my mind about this couple, especially Tammi...how much money does one make flushing out other people's poop shutes anyways???? just sayin..

I think it can be a lucrative business if you cater to the right people. AZ is full of resorts and the rich and famous use this to lose weight..... I can't remember the celebrity but one of them had 20 lbs of fecal matter when he died. If you look up colonics you will see that we are literally loaded with shit! But I suspect she makes money on the side as a baby broker....I'm sticking with that theory.



leslee...that is my theory also...I still would like to know how much money the Smiths offered EJ for Gabe....I have a feeling we will see a lot of people exposed that  are involved in the baby broker business ::MonkeyMad::


lele
Old blog regarding how Texas has some laws that are easier than California.  Also info regarding some fee totals.  I have never heard of things like this going on. 

I am just in WOW.

http://babyselling.com/bryn/2008/01/14/

Jennalee Ryan, Abraham Center of Life, Jennalee Ryan CEO and Founder Abagails Silver Spoon Adoptions, Inc.

The Abraham Center for Life Website is Down … Down … Down … This could be because they are being investigated by the FDA and FBI right now or fear of lawsuits from the connections between the two agencies.
However Google has cached many of their websites, Any and all web searches for “Abagails Silver Spoon Adoptions, Inc.” and simular sounding names lead to cache’d websites on http://abrahamcenteroflife.com/
On their old website it states … “If you are an adoption attorney or licensed agency and would like more information on our services, please contact us at 1-800-488-3238 and we will be glad to explain our program to you. ”

In other words Jennalee Ryan is asking to assemble an attorney / agency organization! Notice Also that Jennalee Ryan asks attorney’s first not adoption agencies? If Ryan is planning consentual and above the board adoptions why does she need attorneys more than adoption agencies. People only need attorneys to do nonconsensual and possibly illegal actions. All government actions that are consentual and legal only need forms and notaries! And this is a lot cheaper than hiring an attorney!
Therefore Jennalee Ryan CEO and Founder Abagails Silver Spoon Adoptions, Inc has already assembled a network for dealing with nonconsensual and possibly illegal activities!

I think this is unethical to take children from contesting fathers or manufacture embryo’s in the test tubes when there are so many children suffering in the Foster Care System!

Make no mistake Jennalee Ryan is catering to Racist wealthy parents and is running an interstate Law Network. It is her demographic. The Connection with the Law Network is a win / win situation for the Lawyers involved! They get payed by wealthy adoptee’s even if the father’s eventually win in court! No Malpractice even if they cause the bad adoption or advise the Adoption Agencies to commit perjury! Legal Fee’s are Legal Baby Selling!

So are Ryan Advertising Fee’s in Texas. Notice the Adoption Business can pick and chose a different state for each aspect of the adoption, Advertising fee’s in one state, facilitation Fee’s in another, adoption in another, birth in another, custody in another …..

Why are they taking children away from their biological parents while so many children suffer in the foster care system?

Why allow each aspect of the adoption to take place in the state that is most benificial to the adoption business?

Why can’t Utah prosecute Jennalee Ryan’s Silver Spoons for Baby Brokering and Money Laundering for the $10,000 plus in fee’s she charges?

Why can’t Texas overturn the Adoption under Texas Law because I filed a Paternity suit in my state A month and a half before birth?  -Remember the Adoption Placement Service is  Jennalee Ryan’s “A Abagails Silver Spoon Adoptions.” in San Antonio Texas!
Why is the interstate Commerce of human souls being allowed in the United States of America? And individual state laws protecting the Baby selling industry but not parental rights?

Shouldn’t the US government protect the little guy?  And let the fathers pick the state of Jurisdiction, between birth, conception, adoption etc?
This is nothing but white slavery, baby selling and biological prostitution! And its gone on far too long in this country!

I believe that every states laws that can have a claim’s laws should be followed. If both parents live in one state, the child is concieved in that state, and one parent is flown to another state by an agency from yet another state I don’t think that the “yet another state” should have jurisdiction. Just because they were used in Birth Deception. I think the state of conception, and citizenship of both parents should take precedent.  Most Importantly Every child has a right to know where they came from and every parent has a right to know their own child!
Jennalee Ryan moved her Businesses from California to Texas because Texas’s negligent laws on child selling in the facilitation business.

Jennalee Ryan also remains in contact with an associate in California named James Webb who owns or runs “The Adoption Center of Choice” in Orem Utah. Why is a California Insurance Agent Running a Utah Adoption Agency? It seems just like more ways to circumvent local laws and any legal responsibility!  James Webb also sells Insurance and Real Estate a Perfect Opportunity for Money Laundering!
If you are following my struggle or Cody’s you may be aware that theadoptioncenter.com in Orem Utah is connected to the Embryo Selling Business in San Antonio Texas through James Webb in California who’s business address is the same as Californias Abraham Center of Life and James Webb is Listed as Agent of Service for “The Adoption Center of Choice,” and “A Heart of Gold Adoptions”!

I hope somebody in law enforcement has the courage to go after and prosecute these criminals!

Thank You

-Bye

13 comments January 14th, 2008



Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 07, 2010, 02:51:33 PM
http://www.azfamily.com/news/local/Family-with-temporary-custody-80661277.html

In the video above starting at -1:03 the Smiths have their temp custody papers on display.  I have grabbed screen shots.  Is there anyone that can grab them and enlarge them so we can read them?  What I see is that this was signed on Dec 9th, 2009 and something about June 2, 2012 (long babysitting stint Jackie!)

It lists Arizona Revides Statues, Section 14-5104. When I looked that up
http://www.azleg.state.az.us/ArizonaRevisedStatutes.asp?Title=14

It is under chapter 5 Protection of Persons under disability and their propery, 14-5104  Delegation of powers by parent or guardian:

14-5104. Delegation of powers by parent or guardian

A parent or a guardian of a minor or incapacitated person, by a properly executed power of attorney, may delegate to another person, for a period not exceeding six months, any powers he may have regarding care, custody or property of the minor child or ward, except power to consent to marriage or adoption of the minor.



Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 07, 2010, 02:51:34 PM
As suspicious as I am in regards to Tammi and Jack's involvement in the happenings encompassing baby Gabriel ... as far as we know no other mother has come forward claiming to have given up her baby to or has adopted a baby through this couple or ... has acted as a surrogate.

Janet


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: mymonkey on January 07, 2010, 03:02:51 PM
As suspicious as I am in regards to Tammi and Jack's involvement in the happenings encompassing baby Gabriel ... as far as we know no other mother has come forward claiming to have given up her baby to or has adopted a baby through this couple or ... has acted as a surrogate.

Janet



This is true.... you know how people  are afraid of being exposed...I n hope we are out on a branch concerning the Smiths and EJ but every case seems to be more twisted each time ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 07, 2010, 03:06:04 PM
Update: Mom, FBI working on sketch of couple who may have missing baby (new video)

http://www.woai.com/mostpopular/story/Update-Mom-FBI-working-on-sketch-of-couple-who/1gW7IWXbyk-ZzYrCnWVD1g.cspx


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 07, 2010, 03:10:29 PM
earlier Tammi gave her myspace an enima, now her Cafemom is set to private. 


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: mymonkey on January 07, 2010, 03:11:41 PM
Update: Mom, FBI working on sketch of couple who may have missing baby (new video)

http://www.woai.com/mostpopular/story/Update-Mom-FBI-working-on-sketch-of-couple-who/1gW7IWXbyk-ZzYrCnWVD1g.cspx


EJ said in the article that she wants Gabe to be in a stable home.....how does she know what kind of a home the couple she gave him to has or if they even have a home.......sorry I call BS on this statement. ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: mymonkey on January 07, 2010, 03:13:04 PM
earlier Tammi gave her myspace an enima, now her Cafemom is set to private. 



Well heck fire now no more scoops on the poop for us monkeys ::MonkeyShovel:: ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 07, 2010, 03:15:08 PM
Police: We believe 8-month-old left at S.A. park is still alive (with video)

There's still hope that a missing 8-month-old baby with ties to the Alamo City is alive.

"We have some indications that Gabriel is still alive," Sgt. Steven Carbajal of the Tempe Police Department.

Police are offering no further details as they search for Gabriel Johnson. His parents were locked in a nasty custody battle when he disappeared right after Christmas.

He was last seen with his mother, Elizabeth Johnson, who claims she gave the boy to complete strangers at a San Antonio park. She's been arrested in Florida on suspicion of what authorities call "custodial interference."

In a jailhouse interview, the 23-year-old Johnson talked about the couple who she says now have her baby..

"I trusted them," she told a reporter. "I believe in my heart they are good people."

Before her arrest, Johnson allegedly sent the father of the child, Logan McQueary, a text message saying, "There is no way in hell you will ever see your son again, I killed him." Later, she said she made that story up.

McQueary said he is not sure what has happened to baby Gabriel. He told reporters that he did not think Elizabeth had killed their son.

Investigators are not certain the mother is telling the truth about giving the boy away. Johnson claims to not know the name of the couple or their address.

"I made a hasty decision, and I thought it would be... I thought it was okay," she said.

Police are also concerned about another statement she made, that she's not worried about whether the boy is alive or dead.

http://www.kens5.com/news/Police-We-believe-8-month-old-left-at-SA-park-is-still-alive-80915877.html

When I heard Elizabeth Johnson speak in the jail house interview the other day ... my thought process immediately captured an image of Casey Anthony.  Same mindset.  No conscience.  No remorse.

Think about it.  Caylee lost her life following a fight that Casey had with Cindy over her lack of responsibility as well as threatened custody.

Janet


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 07, 2010, 03:21:22 PM
earlier Tammi gave her myspace an enima, now her Cafemom is set to private. 



Well heck fire now no more scoops on the poop for us monkeys ::MonkeyShovel:: ::MonkeyDevil::

You two are nuts.  However ... I did get a good laugh.

I am off to face the real world outside the computer room.  I hope when I return the news is good in regards to baby Gabriel.

Later, Janet
12:20 PM PT



Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: mymonkey on January 07, 2010, 03:23:02 PM
earlier Tammi gave her myspace an enima, now her Cafemom is set to private. 



Well heck fire now no more scoops on the poop for us monkeys ::MonkeyShovel:: ::MonkeyDevil::

You two are nuts.  However ... I did get a good laugh.

I am off to face the real world outside the computer room.  I hope when I return the news is good in regards to baby Gabriel.

Later, Janet
12:20 PM PT




bye Janet....we pray he will be found safe ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 07, 2010, 03:39:27 PM
http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/26184891/vp/34745448#34745448

Start at 1:37.  Now they say the Smiths met EJ at an Indianapolis airport and EJ gave  Gabriel to them  them 7 months ago.   ::MonkeyConfused::  last night on NG Jack said they only had Gabriel for a few weeks in Dec , they had not heard from her at all between the airport and Dec.    ::MonkeyConfused::   ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: no rose colored glasses on January 07, 2010, 04:06:08 PM
http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/26184891/vp/34745448#34745448

Start at 1:37.  Now they say the Smiths met EJ at an Indianapolis airport and EJ gave  Gabriel to them  them 7 months ago.   ::MonkeyConfused::  last night on NG Jack said they only had Gabriel for a few weeks in Dec , they had not heard from her at all between the airport and Dec.    ::MonkeyConfused::   ::MonkeyConfused::
  ::MonkeyEek:: WTH


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 07, 2010, 04:06:35 PM
On NG last night Tammi said the EJ paid for the hotel up front in cash for the entire week. 

Two  problems with this, A - she stayed at two hotels, and B - from my travel I have never been able to check into a hotel without a credit card on file.

I called the reservations line for Choice Hotels and explained that I had lost my purse with all credit cards and would not have a replacement in time for the trip I was making.  Could I book 5 days at the Quality Inn and Suites Fiesta Park if I paid cash up front?  answer.......NO, Nope, Nada! It is a requirement that a card be on file not only for the cost of the daily room charges, but also to cover in room charges such as movie rental, phone charges, in room dining,  any items which guests may have forgotten to purchase (such as towels, robes, pillows, coffeemaker etc. ) as well as expenses in the rare case of damages.  When I asked if they could recommend a hotel that would allow me to pay cash up front they said it has been industry standard for a very long time to require a credit card on file and good luck. They also suggested a relative or friend  could fax, call or email a card number with authorization and they would be able to do it that way.  I have not called the Homegate Studios & suites to see what they say as they do not have a international number.









Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: darla on January 07, 2010, 04:16:06 PM
http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/26184891/vp/34745448#34745448

Start at 1:37.  Now they say the Smiths met EJ at an Indianapolis airport and EJ gave  Gabriel to them  them 7 months ago.   ::MonkeyConfused::  last night on NG Jack said they only had Gabriel for a few weeks in Dec , they had not heard from her at all between the airport and Dec.    ::MonkeyConfused::   ::MonkeyConfused::
  ::MonkeyEek:: WTH


Real life keeps interrupting me.....My hinkey meter is off the charts with This Tammi and Jack, then found A Cheryl on her Facebook who is also involved with pregnant teens is just to much co- inky- dinky to me. I have a friend who lives in Tempe, been trying to get hold of her all afternoon, hoping she will call back soon.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: no rose colored glasses on January 07, 2010, 04:23:09 PM
http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/26184891/vp/34745448#34745448

Start at 1:37.  Now they say the Smiths met EJ at an Indianapolis airport and EJ gave  Gabriel to them  them 7 months ago.   ::MonkeyConfused::  last night on NG Jack said they only had Gabriel for a few weeks in Dec , they had not heard from her at all between the airport and Dec.    ::MonkeyConfused::   ::MonkeyConfused::
  ::MonkeyEek:: WTH


Real life keeps interrupting me.....My hinkey meter is off the charts with This Tammi and Jack, then found A Cheryl on her Facebook who is also involved with pregnant teens is just to much co- inky- dinky to me. I have a friend who lives in Tempe, been trying to get hold of her all afternoon, hoping she will call back soon.
It is way to much of a co-inky-dinky, that is for sure. Now to top it off with what Northern found out about hotels and needing a credit card, well, someone had to have helped Elizabeth with that, otherwise she wouldn't have been able to have had the hotel room. Be interesting to find out what your friend in Tempe may be hearing.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: no rose colored glasses on January 07, 2010, 04:23:55 PM
Wonder if the composite sketch is done yet  ::MonkeyRoll::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 07, 2010, 04:28:06 PM
Wonder if the composite sketch is done yet  ::MonkeyRoll::

They are either going to be so scary looking that we need to call Dr. Who to take them away or like the Smith's.  I will be surprised if she can describe someone she has never seen. 


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 07, 2010, 04:38:49 PM
http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/26184891/vp/34745448#34745448

Start at 1:37.  Now they say the Smiths met EJ at an Indianapolis airport and EJ gave  Gabriel to them  them 7 months ago.   ::MonkeyConfused::  last night on NG Jack said they only had Gabriel for a few weeks in Dec , they had not heard from her at all between the airport and Dec.    ::MonkeyConfused::   ::MonkeyConfused::
  ::MonkeyEek:: WTH


Real life keeps interrupting me.....My hinkey meter is off the charts with This Tammi and Jack, then found A Cheryl on her Facebook who is also involved with pregnant teens is just to much co- inky- dinky to me. I have a friend who lives in Tempe, been trying to get hold of her all afternoon, hoping she will call back soon.

It would be interesting to see what the locals think is going on . 


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Searching on January 07, 2010, 04:54:18 PM
http://www.parentprofiles.com/state/Texas/TX.html?searchoption=state&pageviews=10&searchfill=TX&submit=Search
this is a site that anyone can go to and look at profiles of parents wanting to adopt. That is the page for Tx.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: ScareyCarrie on January 07, 2010, 04:59:51 PM
on the credit card issue, at work i have to make A LOT of reservations from OR, WA, ID, CA and in NV sometimes east coast.. we always do pay with a credit card but they ALWAYS ask for one, you cannot rent a room with out one anymore, i think it may have to do some what with ppl stealing or trashing the rooms then having no way to charge them...

just a guess but i have not found one motel/hotel that you can pay cash at anymore..


i am also frustrated and extremely curious as to this information they have that they are so sure he is still alive......

and wth is with all these d@mn conflicting reports???   ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: ScareyCarrie on January 07, 2010, 05:03:57 PM
BTW...

Hello Northern havent talked to ya much lately hope you and the family are doing well..

and havent seen you around either lately Searching how are you??

Sorry for the O/T


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Searching on January 07, 2010, 05:04:01 PM
http://dir.yahoo.com/Society_and_Culture/Families/Parenting/Adoption/Seeking_to_Adopt/

another site like the other I posted. Had she been looking for someone to take baby Gabe, maybe she did as I just did, googled "seeking to adopt" and "looking to adopt". She would have gotten similar results to mine and been able to choose someone as far away from her hometown as possible. I have to say again though, I really think someone would have come forward by now had she handed baby Gabe over to someone.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: no rose colored glasses on January 07, 2010, 05:05:05 PM
Wonder if the composite sketch is done yet  ::MonkeyRoll::

They are either going to be so scary looking that we need to call Dr. Who to take them away or like the Smith's.  I will be surprised if she can describe someone she has never seen. 
Yes, and I'll bet the sketch artist stopped and told her you are making this up, I saw that once on a tv show.  ::MonkeyShocked::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Searching on January 07, 2010, 05:05:40 PM
BTW...

Hello Northern havent talked to ya much lately hope you and the family are doing well..

and havent seen you around either lately Searching how are you??

Sorry for the O/T
Hi ScareyCarrie, Great to see you!! I am doing ok, how are you? Have great holidays??

and so we are not off topic:  What do you think about this case? another KC Anthony?


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: no rose colored glasses on January 07, 2010, 05:07:48 PM
http://dir.yahoo.com/Society_and_Culture/Families/Parenting/Adoption/Seeking_to_Adopt/

another site like the other I posted. Had she been looking for someone to take baby Gabe, maybe she did as I just did, googled "seeking to adopt" and "looking to adopt". She would have gotten similar results to mine and been able to choose someone as far away from her hometown as possible. I have to say again though, I really think someone would have come forward by now had she handed baby Gabe over to someone.
Thank-you, I have to be honest and say I didn't realize there were sites like this, I just thought adoptions were done through adoption agencies, I've never really thought about this topic before, and I'm finding this interesting, and the surrogate info as well.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: ScareyCarrie on January 07, 2010, 05:15:27 PM
BTW...

Hello Northern havent talked to ya much lately hope you and the family are doing well..

and havent seen you around either lately Searching how are you??

Sorry for the O/T
Hi ScareyCarrie, Great to see you!! I am doing ok, how are you? Have great holidays??

and so we are not off topic:  What do you think about this case? another KC Anthony?

i am good, holiday were wonderful was proposed to in Dec. and am doing wonderful!

I am along the lines of this enema lady having to do with EJ going off meds and "grooming" if you will or brain washing how ever you call it, EJ. i think she got some safe house couple, or maybe just a group or woman, she has given her $ possibly untracably, to keep him till things die down and then she will get Gabriel back and lay low, EJ will serve the time for custody interference, then be free to live her life (reminds me of how i think casey planned to live her life baby free) and the poor dad will suffer from choices made and relationships gone horribly wrong.

just my opinion


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: ScareyCarrie on January 07, 2010, 05:17:40 PM
http://dir.yahoo.com/Society_and_Culture/Families/Parenting/Adoption/Seeking_to_Adopt/

another site like the other I posted. Had she been looking for someone to take baby Gabe, maybe she did as I just did, googled "seeking to adopt" and "looking to adopt". She would have gotten similar results to mine and been able to choose someone as far away from her hometown as possible. I have to say again though, I really think someone would have come forward by now had she handed baby Gabe over to someone.
Thank-you, I have to be honest and say I didn't realize there were sites like this, I just thought adoptions were done through adoption agencies, I've never really thought about this topic before, and I'm finding this interesting, and the surrogate info as well.

I am sort of along the same lines of you my dear No Rose, but more i think i choose not to look at that type of stuff, b/c i do not like to think of all the underground selling, trading, making disapear and all of that scarey stuff that does exist in our world, i am aware of it but dont want to know all of it, makes me sad and scared


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 07, 2010, 05:18:32 PM
BTW...

Hello Northern havent talked to ya much lately hope you and the family are doing well..

and havent seen you around either lately Searching how are you??

Sorry for the O/T

 ::HelloKitty::  Doing well.   ::HelloKitty::   This case has really taken some twists.  What do you think of Enima Woman and her role in all of this?  HLN is talking about the case right now.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 07, 2010, 05:27:10 PM
HLN Leticia Lance said CPS was involved because Logan filed a claim that Gabriel was being neglected while he was at work during the day.  Gabriel would be in the same place that he was when Logan left for work and his diaper would not have been changed.  Tammi told Leticia that CPS was called to the home and Tammi brought Gabriel to meet with CPS because Gabriel was in the Smith's care at that time. CPS asked the Smiths a number of questions and at the end of the conversation the CPS worker told Tammi -  "well I don't see any neglet with the baby here, he seems to be well taken care of, there are no signs of diaper rash or any signs of abuse.  "


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: seahorse on January 07, 2010, 05:28:51 PM

I found this comment.

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elizabeth11:45 AM

 Both hotels are frequently used by adoption agencies housing birthparents making adoption plans... here's betting one of the city's slimier agencies brought her across state lines in order to circumvent the father's rights, since Texas laws changed last January and no longer require the consent of unmarried fathers who are not listed on a baby's birth certificate in order to free a child for adoption.

http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/Search_continues_for_missing_boy.html


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: bananas on January 07, 2010, 05:29:07 PM
Although I think the Smiths play a role in the unfolding of events.... I am not YET convinced they were anything more than someone who wanted a baby.  I think this is going to come down to what the mother did and the story is a coverup to what she really did.  I hope I am wrong but my heart fears the worst scenario in this case.

I pray I am wrong and baby Gabriel is alive with someone somewhere.... and if that is the case, hope that someone takes care of him.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: no rose colored glasses on January 07, 2010, 05:30:23 PM
HLN Leticia Lance said CPS was involved because Logan filed a claim that Gabriel was being neglected while he was at work during the day.  Gabriel would be in the same place that he was when Logan left for work and his diaper would not have been changed.  Tammi told Leticia that CPS was called to the home and Tammi brought Gabriel to meet with CPS because Gabriel was in the Smith's care at that time. CPS asked the Smiths a number of questions and at the end of the conversation the CPS worker told Tammi -  "well I don't see any neglet with the baby here, he seems to be well taken care of, there are no signs of diaper rash or any signs of abuse.  "
  ::MonkeyEek:: Is there any show left that the Smith's have not been on?


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: no rose colored glasses on January 07, 2010, 05:31:53 PM

I found this comment.

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elizabeth11:45 AM

 Both hotels are frequently used by adoption agencies housing birthparents making adoption plans... here's betting one of the city's slimier agencies brought her across state lines in order to circumvent the father's rights, since Texas laws changed last January and no longer require the consent of unmarried fathers who are not listed on a baby's birth certificate in order to free a child for adoption.

http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/Search_continues_for_missing_boy.html

Thanks, wow


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: ScareyCarrie on January 07, 2010, 05:34:49 PM

I found this comment.

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elizabeth11:45 AM

 Both hotels are frequently used by adoption agencies housing birthparents making adoption plans... here's betting one of the city's slimier agencies brought her across state lines in order to circumvent the father's rights, since Texas laws changed last January and no longer require the consent of unmarried fathers who are not listed on a baby's birth certificate in order to free a child for adoption.

http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/Search_continues_for_missing_boy.html

Thanks, wow

 ::MonkeyEek:: hmmmm there has to be and internet trail somewhere.......


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 07, 2010, 05:37:29 PM
Leticia just said both of EJ's parents are deceased.   They both had addiction problems.  EJ was in an out of foster care.   She went back to live with her father for a time then went back to Boston (sounds like mom was in Boston) but up until age 12 she was in foster care.  She could sit in the car for up to 15 mins without saying a word.  Grandpa told Leticia he does not buy that she handed Gabriel over to perfect strangers.  She either knew them through someone or had contact before with them, but he does not think she would give Gabriel to a perfect stranger. 


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 07, 2010, 05:38:52 PM

I found this comment.

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elizabeth11:45 AM

 Both hotels are frequently used by adoption agencies housing birthparents making adoption plans... here's betting one of the city's slimier agencies brought her across state lines in order to circumvent the father's rights, since Texas laws changed last January and no longer require the consent of unmarried fathers who are not listed on a baby's birth certificate in order to free a child for adoption.

http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/Search_continues_for_missing_boy.html



 ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: mymonkey on January 07, 2010, 05:53:16 PM

I found this comment.

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elizabeth11:45 AM

 Both hotels are frequently used by adoption agencies housing birthparents making adoption plans... here's betting one of the city's slimier agencies brought her across state lines in order to circumvent the father's rights, since Texas laws changed last January and no longer require the consent of unmarried fathers who are not listed on a baby's birth certificate in order to free a child for adoption.

http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/Search_continues_for_missing_boy.html

Thanks, wow

 ::MonkeyEek:: hmmmm there has to be and internet trail somewhere.......

EJ's grandpaw said she was good with the internet...wonder if she had had a blackberry phone and used it for internet service, I know thru verizion I have internet on my phone.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: ScareyCarrie on January 07, 2010, 05:55:23 PM
EJ seems very irrational to me, if she is bi polar maybe that could help explain it. to me she was in a relationship, was sometimes in love/sweet and others a devil and horrible mother.. she then breaks it off with her bf/baby daddy, trys to adopt out their son, i am assuming with out asking if he would like to raise him alone...

now she goes off and does some crazy a$$ stunt and no baby she's in jail and she is doing it to be free of mommy duties and to hurt ex bf who SHE left....

know i know we dont always get the whole truth or the true story but she sounds like a pretty vindictive, selfish, attention needing, abusive psycho

now in ones semi sane logical brain wouldnt it make sense to relinquish all rights to Gabriel to his father be done with it not be in jail and be free to do as you please??

why is this never the danged bright idea these da*n women always get?!?!?!!


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: mymonkey on January 07, 2010, 05:56:28 PM

I found this comment.

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elizabeth11:45 AM

 Both hotels are frequently used by adoption agencies housing birthparents making adoption plans... here's betting one of the city's slimier agencies brought her across state lines in order to circumvent the father's rights, since Texas laws changed last January and no longer require the consent of unmarried fathers who are not listed on a baby's birth certificate in order to free a child for adoption.

http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/Search_continues_for_missing_boy.html



 ::MonkeyEek::


I still have a feeling that she flipped on the Smith's and went for more money and sold Gabe to someone.

Would the rest stop have a surveillance camera ?


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: ScareyCarrie on January 07, 2010, 05:56:40 PM

I found this comment.

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elizabeth11:45 AM

 Both hotels are frequently used by adoption agencies housing birthparents making adoption plans... here's betting one of the city's slimier agencies brought her across state lines in order to circumvent the father's rights, since Texas laws changed last January and no longer require the consent of unmarried fathers who are not listed on a baby's birth certificate in order to free a child for adoption.

http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/Search_continues_for_missing_boy.html

Thanks, wow

 ::MonkeyEek:: hmmmm there has to be and internet trail somewhere.......

EJ's grandpaw said she was good with the internet...wonder if she had had a blackberry phone and used it for internet service, I know thru verizion I have internet on my phone.

it is a requirement to have and internet plan with all blackberries and new phones with internet


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 07, 2010, 06:04:44 PM
TAMMI AND JACK SMITH

NANCY GRACE
New Developments in Missing Baby Gabriel Case
Aired January 6, 2010 - 20:00:00   ET

PART ONE


Jack and Tammi, thank you for being with us. First to you, Jack Smith.

JACK SMITH, PLANNED TO ADOPT MISSING BABY: Hi, Nancy. How are you?

GRACE: I`m very disturbed. I`m disturbed about why -- why didn`t she just go ahead and give you the baby? Why give the baby to some people she just met at some public park, for Pete`s sake? Jack Smith, what do you think?

JACK SMITH: Well, you know, again, we don`t know what`s in her mind. And I would love to think I know what`s in her mind, but I don`t. If I did, baby Gabriel would be with us and back here in Arizona. The reason she didn`t give him to us is because the father was saying he wasn`t going to do that. And this is the first time we had had a chance to be with -- to talk with the father. So he was saying he wasn`t going to do it. So that basically left her with no alternative but to go...

TAMMI PETERS SMITH, PLANNED TO ADOPT MISSING BABY: In her mind.

JACK SMITH: ... in her mind, but to go.

GRACE: Tammi Smith, did she ever want money from you guys?

TAMMI SMITH: Never once did she ask for anything -- not a ride, not a meal, not to borrow a quarter, nothing.

GRACE: Do you think, Tammi, that she is capable of killing this baby?

TAMMI SMITH: You know, from what I know of her, I don`t believe so. But I`ve only known her maybe three or four weeks.


PART TWO

GRACE: We are taking your calls live. I want to go back to Jack and Tammi Smith, the Arizona couple that had planned to adopt baby Gabriel. Thank you for being with us.

JACK SMITH: You`re welcome.

GRACE: Have you spoken to her since she has been behind bars, Mr. Smith?

JACK SMITH: We did. We talked to her, and we had the local channel here tape it so that there was no questions about what was said and what was done and how it was done.

GRACE: What did you learn?

JACK SMITH: Well, one thing we learned is where the car was because it was right after that up-feed or upload that -- it`s our understanding that right after the upload, we did find out where the car was. So they were able to find the car after we did the interview. Nobody said that it was attributed necessarily to that, but it was -- they found it at 4:00 o`clock, and we were -- did the interview at 2:00, and then they immediately uploaded it. So that came from it.

To be honest with you, we had a list of questions -- the questions, you know, we wanted to -- the main question that we wanted, obviously, was, Where is Gabriel? Where is this little sweet, wonderful baby? And at that point, she said that she met a couple in the park. And I do have the name of the park (INAUDIBLE) we didn`t know this until the afternoon. It`s Raymond Russell Park.

GRACE: Raymond Russell Park? So she remembered that, but she didn`t remember...

JACK SMITH: No, no.

GRACE: She didn`t remember that?

JACK SMITH: Forgive me. No, this comes from -- and I don`t mean to go off track here, but...

GRACE: It`s OK.

JACK SMITH: ... but we have -- we have focused our life for the last few days since all this happened. We`re on the phone all day, trying to find out as much information. We have contacts. We have sources. Ain`t that cool? We have sources in San Antonio with a radio station and -- radio and telephone stations there.

GRACE: So you figured out it was Raymond Russell Park.

JACK SMITH: Raymond Russell Park is where -- where they -- and we also found out through that source that when she bought the bus ticket, she bought it as Elizabeth Jones.

GRACE: Is it true, Ms. Smith, that you learned she checked in and paid for the hotel room a week ahead of time?

TAMMI SMITH: Yes. She told me that she was paid up until Sunday. And we had her basically ready to come back. Sunday morning, she was going to come back. We had offered to help her with an attorney so that she could keep the custody and the custody would not go to the father.

GRACE: And then out of the blue, she just takes off?

TAMMI SMITH: Yes.

GRACE: Where do you think she got the money, Ms. Smith, to buy the ticket? It`s about 150 bucks a ticket, plus the gas she needed to get from Tempe down to San Antonio.

TAMMI SMITH: All I know is that a few days prior to her leaving, she had told me she had -- we saw her dogs. She had two Yorkies. And she sold the two dogs for $500. She rented a room to her roommate for $400 cash, and he confirmed that. And then I believe she got her last -- what is it called?

JACK SMITH: Unemployment.

TAMMI SMITH: Unemployment check. And she did have -- she did have WIC for the baby, for all his food.


PART THREE

GRACE: We are taking your calls live. I`m going to unleash the lawyers, John Burris and Daniel Horowitz, in just one moment. But first, back to Jack Smith and Tammi Smith, the couple that had planned to adopt baby Gabriel.

What is giving me a glimmer of hope, Tammi Smith, is that this is very similar to the way that she met you.

TAMMI SMITH: It is. It`s almost exact.

GRACE: What happened?

TAMMI SMITH: I met her in an airport. She was depressed, crying. She -- her face was drooped down. Instead of holding the baby here, the baby was down here. And I just knew the second I saw her, there is something wrong there. And she said -- I sat down. She said something, and I don`t remember what it was. This was seven months ago. And I just immediately -- What do you want to do with your baby, you know? And we -- it went on from there.

GRACE: And from there, she was willing to just give you the baby?

TAMMI SMITH: Well, no, not back then. Yes, I did hold the baby in the airport. I held the baby in the plane ride once we got up in the air. She brought me the baby to hold. And then when we were about to descend back down to the ground, she came back and got the baby again. Did not hear from her again once we helped her to her car, once we got back to Arizona from the plane. Didn`t hear from her again until December 8th around 9:00 or 10:00 o`clock at night, saying, Do you still want to adopt him?

GRACE: So this is so similar to what she`s saying happened to baby Gabriel. She meets this couple in a public park, and they were kind and caring and she just gave them the baby. Why do you believe, Mr. Smith, she wanted to give away the baby?

JACK SMITH: You know -- and this is something that -- and I would like to interject here, if it`s OK. We are for the finding of this baby. We are not on a side. But I think that she`s looking at things through non-normal eyes. Our normal eyes say, That`s crazy. Non-normal eyes say, It happens every day. You give your child -- you give your child to a stranger, if you`re going to adopt -- but albeit, there`s a lot that goes on before the adoption papers happen. So that`s my guess.


PART FOUR

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

TAMMI PETERS SMITH, PLANNED TO ADOPT BABY GABRIEL: The main thing is that she wanted him with a good family that loved him and that would actually take care of him.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Tammi Smith remembers the day almost eight months ago she met Elizabeth and Gabriel Johnson.

T. SMITH: And I just could read it in her face that she did not want to be a mother.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: And Tammi says the father wasn`t around and when he was.

T. SMITH: Yes, there were a lot of threats and a lot of things, underhanded things, that were done. Because of his record and because of what the things he had done to her and the baby, there was no way she was going to give him that baby.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Tammi says months went by then last month she received a call from Elizabeth.

T. SMITH: She finally called and said, are you ready to adopt him?

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: The two parties signed legal guardianship papers and Gabriel moved in with the Smiths.

JACK SMITH, PLANNED TO ADOPT BABY GABRIEL: We fell in love with him.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: But the baby`s dad wouldn`t sign guardianship or adoption papers. Still, Gabriel quickly became part of the Smith family, visiting Santa, playing with 4-year-old Hannah.

Then, December 18th, Elizabeth picked up her son to visit his father. Little did the Smiths know, the two were taking off to San Antonio.

T. SMITH: We were trying so desperately to get her back here. And every time she was ready to come back, she would get a phone call threatening her.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: The Smiths believe the baby is safe and that his mother, now behind bars, will never say where.

T. SMITH: She loved that baby enough that I believe, I believe, that she would probably stay in jail the rest of her life to make sure he was safe from the person that she wants to keep him from.

(END VIDEO CLIP)


PART FIVE

GRACE: I do find it very disturbing that the mother gave the baby away to a couple she had met 20 minutes before in a public park. That`s my focus. All right? Now, speaking of the Smiths, I want to go back to Jack and Tammi Smith.

Two questions. Number one, I think that it would be crucial, since you were around her, you spent time with her and the baby, you`ve spoken to her since she`s been behind bars. What was her state of mind when you spoke to her last, Miss Smith?

T. SMITH: I`m sorry. That wasn`t me -- what was her state of mind when I spoke to her yesterday?

GRACE: Right.

T. SMITH: You know, to be honest with you, she sounded a little bit cheery. Whenever she was dealing with the whole custody issue, she was not cheery, she was very depressed and distraught. It seems as though she seemed happier and safer being in jail than she did out of jail and going through this whole custody issue.

GRACE: Mr. Smith, when you were dealing with her about adopting baby Gabriel, what was her state of mind at that point?

J. SMITH: You know, we -- honestly we had some concerns. I mean, again, we`re looking at -- as I mentioned earlier, we`re looking through normal eyes. It feels -- it felt a little odd, but you know what, we felt like that we could be helping this baby also if this mother did have any kind of potential emotional problems.

So we were basically -- our theory at that point was we are a baby- sitter. Because we understand the whole principle. We`ve adopted -- Hannah is adopted. So we know the process. We -- you know, we got Hannah in our house at 4 months old and the adoption wasn`t final until 2 -- until she was 2.

GRACE: Let me ask you, guys, something. You have come forward and been very forthright. What, if anything, do you have to gain from coming forward, Miss Smith? I mean, you did not have to put yourself in the public eye at all, but you have. Why?

T. SMITH: And it`s been extremely exhausting. I`ve only had a couple of hours` sleep since yesterday. We`re doing this because we fell in love with this baby. We have nothing to gain except for the fact that we know that we have gotten to the point where we kind of know Elizabeth`s mentality from getting to know her over the past few weeks and we believe we can help find this baby and return -- or help to return him to his family.

GRACE: We`re taking your calls, everybody. To Tammy in Nevada, hi, Tammy.

TAMMY, CALLER FROM NEVADA: Hi, Nancy.

GRACE: Hi, dear, what`s your question?

TAMMY: Listen, I just want to tell you I love your show. I never miss it. I`ve watched you from the old days.

(LAUGHTER)

GRACE: Thank you.

TAMMY: I also want to thank you and tell you how much I appreciate your dedication to help seek the truth for the innocent out there.

GRACE: Thank you.

TAMMY: I was wondering, I know you talked about cameras at the station, but do you know if there were any at the Motel 6 or the park, perhaps? And my heart goes out to everybody involved in this and I just pray that this is not another Casey Anthony story.

I mean, you know, no matter what.

GRACE: I`ve been thinking the same thing, Tammy in Nevada.

TAMMY: Yes. And no matter what.

GRACE: I mean her answers are so vague and ambiguous. Exactly the way tot mom`s were


PART SIX

Back to Jack and Tammi Smith.

Jack Smith, isn`t it true that when she was dealing with you guys, she didn`t even want to know where you lived? She didn`t want to know anything about you.

J. SMITH: No, not -- she didn`t because we actually invited her over. Don`t you want to come and see where his room would be? And don`t you want to come and see where his play area would be? And she said, no, I don`t want to know where you live.

GRACE: What was her reason?

J. SMITH: Because in her mind that -- well, in her mind that was the -- that was a closed adoption. Again, I can`t think -- I can`t think like her. I wish I could and we`d find the baby, but -- that`s my only reasoning is that she wanted a closed adoption. She wanted this part of her life and wanted to go -- I don`t understand that. My maternal.

GRACE: But that was the same -- it`s almost like a script that she`s reading from the. The very same thing she did with them is basically what she did with you. She didn`t want to know anything about you, she didn`t want to know your address, nothing. She just wanted it to be a done deal to have the baby in a happy family.

Good-bye, baby Gabriel.

J. SMITH: It don`t make sense to us. And that`s the reason we kept hanging on to her and trying to better understand her because it didn`t make any se. But you know what? We understand private adoptions happen every day, and, you know -- so I don`t believe.

GRACE: Right.

J. SMITH: You know what I`m saying. Hopefully.

GRACE: Yes. That she -- if this is true, that she thought she was doing anything wrong. I just pray to God in heaven that it is true and the baby is alive tonight.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1001/06/ng.01.html

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Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Searching on January 07, 2010, 06:07:58 PM
BTW...

Hello Northern havent talked to ya much lately hope you and the family are doing well..

and havent seen you around either lately Searching how are you??

Sorry for the O/T
Hi ScareyCarrie, Great to see you!! I am doing ok, how are you? Have great holidays??

and so we are not off topic:  What do you think about this case? another KC Anthony?

i am good, holiday were wonderful was proposed to in Dec. and am doing wonderful!

I am along the lines of this enema lady having to do with EJ going off meds and "grooming" if you will or brain washing how ever you call it, EJ. i think she got some safe house couple, or maybe just a group or woman, she has given her $ possibly untracably, to keep him till things die down and then she will get Gabriel back and lay low, EJ will serve the time for custody interference, then be free to live her life (reminds me of how i think casey planned to live her life baby free) and the poor dad will suffer from choices made and relationships gone horribly wrong.

just my opinion
Congrats!!!! Hoping for a long and happy prison term marriage for you. hehehe I could not resist. Seriously though, may you two have many many happy years together.

Maybe if we can check into those wanting to adopt in Tx through the sites that they post on, we can see who recently adopted?


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Babybear on January 07, 2010, 06:11:55 PM
I still think, as I said last night, that Gabriel has disappeared into the underground through one of the organizations which help mothers and children disappear from husband/father who the mother claims to be abusive, particularly sexual abusive to the child.  This has been going on for years.  In fact one child, the daughter of a Washington DC lady doctor, disappeared because the father had been molesting her. The mother wouldn't tell where she was and in fact went to jail for years for contempt.  It took an act of Congress to get her out of jail.  An underground organization got the little girl to Australia where she lived for years without being discovered by the father.  After she was found, she was then a teenager, the Australian judge refused to give her to the father.

That's what I think has happened to Gabriel.  I think some organization, and the Smiths IMO are in this up to their necks, arranged for Daniel to disappear on EJ's word of abuse.  Obviously, Logan is more respectable than Elizabeth and even LE says so.  It might be true that EJ doesn't know the people who took him, purposely so, but I believe it was prearranged.  IMO it was done on Elizabeth's part to get revenge on Logan, but the other people might sincerely think they saved Gabriel from his father.  If this is what happened, the underground people will never take Gabriel to LE.  They believe they are protecting him. That's what I think happened, and I might be wrong, but I don't think so.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: ScareyCarrie on January 07, 2010, 06:17:14 PM
TAMMI AND JACK SMITH

NANCY GRACE
New Developments in Missing Baby Gabriel Case
Aired January 6, 2010 - 20:00:00   ET

PART ONE


Jack and Tammi, thank you for being with us. First to you, Jack Smith.

JACK SMITH, PLANNED TO ADOPT MISSING BABY: Hi, Nancy. How are you?

GRACE: I`m very disturbed. I`m disturbed about why -- why didn`t she just go ahead and give you the baby? Why give the baby to some people she just met at some public park, for Pete`s sake? Jack Smith, what do you think?

JACK SMITH: Well, you know, again, we don`t know what`s in her mind. And I would love to think I know what`s in her mind, but I don`t. If I did, baby Gabriel would be with us and back here in Arizona. The reason she didn`t give him to us is because the father was saying he wasn`t going to do that. And this is the first time we had had a chance to be with -- to talk with the father. So he was saying he wasn`t going to do it. So that basically left her with no alternative but to go...

TAMMI PETERS SMITH, PLANNED TO ADOPT MISSING BABY: In her mind.

JACK SMITH: ... in her mind, but to go.

GRACE: Tammi Smith, did she ever want money from you guys?

TAMMI SMITH: Never once did she ask for anything -- not a ride, not a meal, not to borrow a quarter, nothing.
GRACE: Do you think, Tammi, that she is capable of killing this baby?

TAMMI SMITH: You know, from what I know of her, I don`t believe so. But I`ve only known her maybe three or four weeks.


Snipped to save space....

To me that is beating around the bush, telling a sort of lie to cover the truth, never did she ASK to BORROW anything... that is not what the question was meant as and this lady knows perfectly well what they meant, she is avoiding saying they did or were going to pay for gabriel

that is the only reason she could have for not just giving him to Logan (?) baby dad.... she is not dumb enough to risk jail time with no compensation


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 07, 2010, 06:29:16 PM
I still think, as I said last night, that Gabriel has disappeared into the underground through one of the organizations which help mothers and children disappear from husband/father who the mother claims to be abusive, particularly sexual abusive to the child.  This has been going on for years.  In fact one child, the daughter of a Washington DC lady doctor, disappeared because the father had been molesting her. The mother wouldn't tell where she was and in fact went to jail for years for contempt.  It took an act of Congress to get her out of jail.  An underground organization got the little girl to Australia where she lived for years without being discovered by the father.  After she was found, she was then a teenager, the Australian judge refused to give her to the father.

That's what I think has happened to Gabriel.  I think some organization, and the Smiths IMO are in this up to their necks, arranged for Daniel to disappear on EJ's word of abuse.  Obviously, Logan is more respectable than Elizabeth and even LE says so.  It might be true that EJ doesn't know the people who took him, purposely so, but I believe it was prearranged.  IMO it was done on Elizabeth's part to get revenge on Logan, but the other people might sincerely think they saved Gabriel from his father.  If this is what happened, the underground people will never take Gabriel to LE.  They believe they are protecting him. That's what I think happened, and I might be wrong, but I don't think so.

BINGO!!

Babybear

I am incline to agree.  It makes sense of what appears to be so senseless.  EJ did not have to travel across the country to kill her baby ... she had a purpose.  I hope her computer/iphone  has been confiscated.

I remember reading about the account you shared regarding the underground.

Janet


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: bananas on January 07, 2010, 06:30:47 PM
GRACE: Tammi Smith, did she ever want money from you guys?

TAMMI SMITH: Never once did she ask for anything -- not a ride, not a meal, not to borrow a quarter, nothing.
GRACE: Do you think, Tammi, that she is capable of killing this baby?

TAMMI SMITH: You know, from what I know of her, I don`t believe so. But I`ve only known her maybe three or four weeks.
 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

When i first saw this interview... I guess I just assumed she meant she only REALLY KNEW HER FOR 3 OR 4 WEEKS but that isn't what she said.

I just replayed nancy graces interview again to see if maybe it was from inference in her voice that made me think that but it isn't.

Not sure what to make of this.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: ScareyCarrie on January 07, 2010, 06:31:04 PM
heading home for the night, hope all have a good night and Gabriel is safe  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 07, 2010, 07:01:43 PM
I still think, as I said last night, that Gabriel has disappeared into the underground through one of the organizations which help mothers and children disappear from husband/father who the mother claims to be abusive, particularly sexual abusive to the child.  This has been going on for years.  In fact one child, the daughter of a Washington DC lady doctor, disappeared because the father had been molesting her. The mother wouldn't tell where she was and in fact went to jail for years for contempt.  It took an act of Congress to get her out of jail.  An underground organization got the little girl to Australia where she lived for years without being discovered by the father.  After she was found, she was then a teenager, the Australian judge refused to give her to the father.

That's what I think has happened to Gabriel.  I think some organization, and the Smiths IMO are in this up to their necks, arranged for Daniel to disappear on EJ's word of abuse.  Obviously, Logan is more respectable than Elizabeth and even LE says so.  It might be true that EJ doesn't know the people who took him, purposely so, but I believe it was prearranged.  IMO it was done on Elizabeth's part to get revenge on Logan, but the other people might sincerely think they saved Gabriel from his father.  If this is what happened, the underground people will never take Gabriel to LE.  They believe they are protecting him. That's what I think happened, and I might be wrong, but I don't think so.

BINGO!!

Babybear

I am incline to agree.  It makes sense of what appears to be so senseless.  EJ did not have to travel across the country to kill her baby ... she had a purpose.  I hope her computer/iphone  has been confiscated.

I remember reading about the account you shared regarding the underground.

Janet



Babybear

1.  Was Gabriel was hand over to the underground by Elizabeth "for his protection"?

2.  Did Elizabeth make a conscious choice not to know the details?

3.  Was she apprehended prior receiving new identication papers?

4.  Was the trapsing all over the country with and without Gabriel at her own expense meant as a method not to expose the underground participation?

5.  Could the Smith's home have been the safe house while arrangements were being made.

Babybear ... what was the name of the mother who allowed the underground to raise her daughter while she sat in jail for years rather than submitting her child to court ordered visitations with a father who allegedly molested her.  I think her name was also Elizabeth?  The father was a doctor if I recollect.

Thanks.

Janet

+++++


BOB JOHNSON

Johnson's Grandfather Thinks She's Lying
UPDATED: 11:22 am MST January 7, 2010


"She had this cockamamie idea that she was going to change her Social Security number and name and his Social Security number and name and run forever," Bob Johnson said.

http://www.kpho.com/news/22168065/detail.html


TAMMI SMITH

NANCY GRACE
New Developments in Missing Baby Gabriel Case
Aired January 6, 2010 - 20:00:00   ET


UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: The Smiths believe the baby is safe and that his mother, now behind bars, will never say where.

T. SMITH: She loved that baby enough that I believe, I believe, that she would probably stay in jail the rest of her life to make sure he was safe from the person that she wants to keep him from.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1001/06/ng.01.html


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: BooMonkey on January 07, 2010, 07:04:46 PM
I still think, as I said last night, that Gabriel has disappeared into the underground through one of the organizations which help mothers and children disappear from husband/father who the mother claims to be abusive, particularly sexual abusive to the child.  This has been going on for years.  In fact one child, the daughter of a Washington DC lady doctor, disappeared because the father had been molesting her. The mother wouldn't tell where she was and in fact went to jail for years for contempt.  It took an act of Congress to get her out of jail.  An underground organization got the little girl to Australia where she lived for years without being discovered by the father.  After she was found, she was then a teenager, the Australian judge refused to give her to the father.

That's what I think has happened to Gabriel.  I think some organization, and the Smiths IMO are in this up to their necks, arranged for Daniel to disappear on EJ's word of abuse.  Obviously, Logan is more respectable than Elizabeth and even LE says so.  It might be true that EJ doesn't know the people who took him, purposely so, but I believe it was prearranged.  IMO it was done on Elizabeth's part to get revenge on Logan, but the other people might sincerely think they saved Gabriel from his father.  If this is what happened, the underground people will never take Gabriel to LE.  They believe they are protecting him. That's what I think happened, and I might be wrong, but I don't think so.

I would think that any Underground place that had Gabriel would bring him out by now. They can obviously see that EJ has mental problems and that in no way did the Father abuse that boy. If this Underground exists for a reason, it's not to keep Fathers from seeing their kids, it's there to keep children from abuse. IMO EJ is the only one that abused this boy. I pray if they do have him, he's dropped off at at fire station or hospital soon.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 07, 2010, 07:11:42 PM
Couple hoping to adopt baby Gabriel now persons of interest (with video)


PHOENIX – Sources close to the investigation into 8-month-old Gabriel’s disappearance tell azfamily.com’s Mike Watkiss that one-time adoptive family, Jack and Tammy Smith, are now considered persons of interest.

While the Smiths claim to be cooperating with police, investigators now believe the couple has some knowledge that may lead to the whereabouts of baby Gabriel but they are not sharing that information with investigators.

3TV caught up with Jack and Tammy Smith on Thursday afternoon and asked them about their change in status from victims to potential suspects. The Smiths say they have nothing to hide and that they have fully cooperated with police. The couple also says they just want to see the safe return of baby Gabriel.

Tempe new tip line has been established so that anyone with information on Gabriel's whereabouts can call 1-800-THE-LOST (1-800-843-5678).

Police say that whoever has the baby can turn him over to a safe place such as a fire station or a hospital if they feel too scared to come forward.

http://www.azfamily.com/news/Couple-hoping-to-adopt-baby-Gabriel-now-person-of-interest-80948977.html



Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 07, 2010, 07:20:11 PM
'Persons of Interest' named in missing Tempe infant case

TEMPE, AZ – The Tempe Police Department has named a Scottsdale couple 'persons of interest' in their investigation to find a missing child.

According to police spokesperson Steve Carbajal, investigators believe Tammi and Jack Smith have information that will lead them to baby Gabriel Johnson that they have not previously provided to investigators.

The Smiths had apparently tried to adopt the 8-month-old from mother Elizabeth Johnson last month.

But then the 23-year-old mom disappeared with Gabriel.

Carbajal said Elizabeth initially told authorities she gave her baby to a couple she met in San Antonio while on the run after skipping out on a custodial hearing in Phoenix.

"They wanted the baby and she simply gave it to them," said Bob Johnson, Elizabeth's grandfather. "It sounded like a pretty weak story. It was almost on the border of unbelievable that a person would do that with an 8-month-old child."

Carbajal said Johnson left Arizona with Gabriel on December 18. There have been no signs of the boy since the day after Christmas.

Police did find Elizabeth in Miami Beach, Florida last week and arrested her for failing to appear at her custodial hearing.

Gabriel was not with her and detectives said she refused to tell them where he is.

"She was confronted, arrested and interviewed exhaustively about the whereabouts of the child," said Wayne Jones, with Miami Beach Police.

Earlier this week, the Smiths defended Gabriel and Elizabeth on national TV.

"She's completely innocent," said Tammi, speaking about Elizabeth. "She loves that baby, and just wants to find a good home for that baby. As a mother, I commend her."

Gabriel's father, Logan McQueary, said Elizabeth had been pushing him to sign adoption papers granting the Smiths custody of Gabriel.
 
McQueary also said that after the baby disappeared, Smith approached him with similar requests.

"When Gabriel disappeared, they said basically, 'if you really care about your son and you want him back, and you want Elizabeth to bring him back, that you'll sign the paperwork and then she'll bring him back to us, and you'll know he's safe,'" said McQueary. "I said, 'no, I'm not signing any paperwork.'"

McQueary was on several national TV morning shows Thursday, pleading to the public to get his son back. 

"Please don't be afraid of getting into trouble, just drop him off at a fire station, help me get my son back," he said.

McQueary said he had previously received text messages from Gabriel's mother saying she had killed the child.

"She basically said, 'there's no way in Hell you're ever seeing your son again,'" he said.

"Is she saying these things to hurt the father or would she actually hurt her own baby?" said Carbajal. "We don't know yet. We're hoping the baby is in good condition and will be returned safely."

But McQueary says he believes Gabriel is still alive, considering he and Johnson were last seen at a park after McQueary received the threatening messages.

Anyone with information as to the whereabouts of Gabriel Johnson is urged to contact the Tempe Police Department at 480-350-8311 or Silent Witness at 480-WITNESS (480-948-6377).

http://www.abc15.com/content/news/southeastvalley/tempe/story/Persons-of-Interest-named-in-missing-Tempe-infant/xgsbK2cK80iD5ZWBC0ifjg.cspx


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: trimmonthelake on January 07, 2010, 07:20:44 PM
Thanks for the updates.   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 07, 2010, 07:21:51 PM
Police believe missing Tempe baby is alive

Authorities on the hunt for a missing 8-month-old Tempe boy whose mother is in custody and not cooperating with police said they believe the boy is alive.

But Tempe police released few other details Thursday involving the well-being or whereabouts of Gabriel Johnson.


The mother, Elizabeth Johnson, claimed last month to her boyfriend, the baby’s father, that she killed the child and placed his body in a dumpster in a baby bag, according to a Maricopa County Superior Court document.

Police also are investigating whether Johnson gave the baby away.

Johnson, 23, was arrested in Miami Beach, Fla., on Dec. 30, and she and the baby were last seen together on Dec. 26 in San Antonio, according to Sgt. Steve Carbajal, a Mesa police spokesman.

But before Johnson was arrested at a youth hostel in Miami Beach, a cell phone signal was tracked to her in Victoria, Texas, three days earlier, according to a court document. Victoria is 115 miles southwest of San Antonio, and the signal was last caught moving toward the Mexico border, according to the document.

“It has given us new info to follow up on,” Carbajal said.

On Tuesday, the FBI recovered the 1995 Oldsmobile Delta 88 that Johnson was driving, according to police. The car was parked at a Motel 6 across from a bus station off Interstate 35 in San Antonio.

Johnson did not check into the Motel 6 but could be seen on surveillance video driving the car into the parking lot of the motel about 11:45 a.m. on Dec. 27, according to Hitu Eatel, manager of the motel.

“She was alone,” Eatel said. “She could be seen walking out of the parking lot about noon.”

Johnson walked toward a bus station across the street, Eatel said.

Johnson lost custody of the boy to his father, Logan Scott McQueary, 25, when she failed to show for a court hearing Dec. 28. She has been charged with custodial interference, a low-level felony, and domestic violence, according to court documents.

McQueary and Johnson lived together in the Rancho Tempe mobile home park at 4605 S. Priest Drive, but they broke up because of domestic issues on Dec. 8, the last time McQueary saw his son, he told police.

Their neighbors described them as a quiet couple who kept to themselves, and they said they often saw McQueary working in the yard or walking through the neighborhood with Johnson and Gabriel.

McQueary said Wednesday that he remains hopeful that Gabriel will be safely returned.

Johnson is being held without bail in the Dade County Jail and is awaiting extradition to Arizona.

If anyone has any information about the boy’s whereabouts, they can call Tempe police at (480) 350-8311 or Silent Witness at (480) 948-6377.


http://www.eastvalleytribune.com/story/149226


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 07, 2010, 07:22:53 PM
Thanks for the updates.   ::MonkeyCool::

I knew that woman was full of Sh&t.   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 07, 2010, 07:28:33 PM
Hey ... the raising of three kids implies that there were many days that I was overwhelmed and it may have appeared that I did not want to be a mother.  I was fortunate.  Those who came into my life during these trying times understood ... gave me assistance while assuring me that this too would pass.  They did not attempt take advantage of the situation for their own selfish motives.

I suspect that the Smiths are up to here in a baby marketing scheme by taking advantage of the vulnerable.

Janet


TAMMI SMITH

NANCY GRACE
New Developments in Missing Baby Gabriel Case
Aired January 6, 2010 - 20:00:00   ET


UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Tammi Smith remembers the day almost eight months ago she met Elizabeth and Gabriel Johnson.

T. SMITH: And I just could read it in her face that she did not want to be a mother.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1001/06/ng.01.html
 


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 07, 2010, 07:30:31 PM
Thanks Northern Rose

Your are amazing how quickly you provide the forums with updates.

Janet 


Title: !!!`
Post by: no rose colored glasses on January 07, 2010, 07:32:53 PM
Thanks for the updates.   ::MonkeyCool::

I knew that woman was full of Sh&t.   ::MonkeyCool::
You bet  ::MonkeyEek:: But the big question for me is, if you have involvement why the he!! do you go on a media tour?


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: no rose colored glasses on January 07, 2010, 07:33:20 PM
Thanks Northern Rose

Your are amazing how quickly you provide the forums with updates.

Janet 
Yes she is  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: !!!`
Post by: Northern Rose on January 07, 2010, 07:41:04 PM
Thanks for the updates.   ::MonkeyCool::

I knew that woman was full of Sh&t.   ::MonkeyCool::
You bet  ::MonkeyEek:: But the big question for me is, if you have involvement why the he!! do you go on a media tour?

To not scare off other possible victims? 


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 07, 2010, 07:41:57 PM
Thanks Northern Rose

Your are amazing how quickly you provide the forums with updates.

Janet 
Yes she is  ::MonkeyCool::


awww thanks you guys!


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 07, 2010, 07:42:49 PM
I still think, as I said last night, that Gabriel has disappeared into the underground through one of the organizations which help mothers and children disappear from husband/father who the mother claims to be abusive, particularly sexual abusive to the child.  This has been going on for years.  In fact one child, the daughter of a Washington DC lady doctor, disappeared because the father had been molesting her. The mother wouldn't tell where she was and in fact went to jail for years for contempt.  It took an act of Congress to get her out of jail.  An underground organization got the little girl to Australia where she lived for years without being discovered by the father.  After she was found, she was then a teenager, the Australian judge refused to give her to the father.

That's what I think has happened to Gabriel.  I think some organization, and the Smiths IMO are in this up to their necks, arranged for Daniel to disappear on EJ's word of abuse.  Obviously, Logan is more respectable than Elizabeth and even LE says so.  It might be true that EJ doesn't know the people who took him, purposely so, but I believe it was prearranged.  IMO it was done on Elizabeth's part to get revenge on Logan, but the other people might sincerely think they saved Gabriel from his father.  If this is what happened, the underground people will never take Gabriel to LE.  They believe they are protecting him. That's what I think happened, and I might be wrong, but I don't think so.

I would think that any Underground place that had Gabriel would bring him out by now. They can obviously see that EJ has mental problems and that in no way did the Father abuse that boy. If this Underground exists for a reason, it's not to keep Fathers from seeing their kids, it's there to keep children from abuse. IMO EJ is the only one that abused this boy. I pray if they do have him, he's dropped off at at fire station or hospital soon.

BooMonkey ... I pray for the safe return of Gabriel.

You are correct when it comes to a legitimate underground whose motives are protecting the children when the courts fail.  However ... when I consider what has been revealed about the character of Tammi and Jack Smith ... I am skeptical.

Janet



Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 07, 2010, 07:43:14 PM
‘Persons Of Interest’ ID'd In Missing Baby Case

TEMPE, Ariz. -- The Tempe Police Department said it has identified two persons of interest in connection with the disappearance of 8-month-old Gabriel Johnson.

Police investigators said they believe Tammi and Jack Smith have information that will lead them to the baby. The Smiths, who wanted to adopt the infant, spent significant time getting to know Gabriel and have several pictures with the boy in their home, playing with their own 4-year-old daughter.

The infant was last seen in San Antonio, Texas, in December with his 23-year-old mother, Elizabeth Johnson. She allegedly told Logan McQueary, her ex-boyfriend, that she'd killed their baby.

Johnson was arrested last week in Miami Beach, Fla., on suspicion of custodial interference after she failed to show up for a custodial hearing in Phoenix. Authorities say she has refused to say where her son is.

Police on Thursday also announced a new tip line for leads into the baby's location. Officers, working with the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children, are staffing a 24/7 hotline for people to call with any information to call. The number is 1-800-THE-LOST (1-800-843-5678).

Elizabeth Johnson's white Oldsmobile was found parked at a San Antonio motel Tuesday evening. A baby seat and other items were inside, and there were no obvious signs of violence, said FBI spokesman Eric Vasys. The vehicle was being combed for evidence of the baby's whereabouts, he said.

http://www.kpho.com/news/22177943/detail.html


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 07, 2010, 07:46:57 PM
I still think, as I said last night, that Gabriel has disappeared into the underground through one of the organizations which help mothers and children disappear from husband/father who the mother claims to be abusive, particularly sexual abusive to the child.  This has been going on for years.  In fact one child, the daughter of a Washington DC lady doctor, disappeared because the father had been molesting her. The mother wouldn't tell where she was and in fact went to jail for years for contempt.  It took an act of Congress to get her out of jail.  An underground organization got the little girl to Australia where she lived for years without being discovered by the father.  After she was found, she was then a teenager, the Australian judge refused to give her to the father.

That's what I think has happened to Gabriel.  I think some organization, and the Smiths IMO are in this up to their necks, arranged for Daniel to disappear on EJ's word of abuse.  Obviously, Logan is more respectable than Elizabeth and even LE says so.  It might be true that EJ doesn't know the people who took him, purposely so, but I believe it was prearranged.  IMO it was done on Elizabeth's part to get revenge on Logan, but the other people might sincerely think they saved Gabriel from his father.  If this is what happened, the underground people will never take Gabriel to LE.  They believe they are protecting him. That's what I think happened, and I might be wrong, but I don't think so.

I would think that any Underground place that had Gabriel would bring him out by now. They can obviously see that EJ has mental problems and that in no way did the Father abuse that boy. If this Underground exists for a reason, it's not to keep Fathers from seeing their kids, it's there to keep children from abuse. IMO EJ is the only one that abused this boy. I pray if they do have him, he's dropped off at at fire station or hospital soon.

I too pray Gabriel is safe and will be dropped off in a safe place.  From all the tidbits I feel that the Smiths know more about the underground than the lay person and if they took advantage of this situation they deserve to rot in hell.  For some reason I don't think Jack is involved as deep, if at all, as the Enima woman though.


Title: Re: !!!`
Post by: Searching on January 07, 2010, 07:48:08 PM
Thanks for the updates.   ::MonkeyCool::

I knew that woman was full of Sh&t.   ::MonkeyCool::
You bet  ::MonkeyEek:: But the big question for me is, if you have involvement why the he!! do you go on a media tour?

Well, like they hinted at on NG, If they had something to hide, why step forward,why go on tv.. simple really, to deflect attention and look innocent.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 07, 2010, 07:49:10 PM
<snipped>

But before Johnson was arrested at a youth hostel in Miami Beach, a cell phone signal was tracked to her in Victoria, Texas, three days earlier, according to a court document. Victoria is 115 miles southwest of San Antonio, and the signal was last caught moving toward the Mexico border, according to the document.

“It has given us new info to follow up on,” Carbajal said.


http://www.eastvalleytribune.com/story/149226


I will map this after I get my kids fed.  If Gabriel is in Mexico I fear there is no way of getting him back. 


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 07, 2010, 07:51:14 PM
There were a lot of posts on Enima womans MS about coming and going to Mexico.  Wonder if it is connected?

 ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 07, 2010, 07:56:00 PM
Nancy Grace (HLN) is on in 5 minutes.  Maybe there will be something on this latest update.

The dialogue on this topic has been great this afternoon.  A lot of brainstorming regarding what may have happened to this precious baby was put out there for consideration.

Somehow ... I believe that Babybear is on to something in regards to the involvement of the  underground.

Janet
4:55 PM PT


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 07, 2010, 08:05:25 PM
NG is up to speed.  Smiths are on their way to studio   ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: !!!`
Post by: no rose colored glasses on January 07, 2010, 08:05:55 PM
Thanks for the updates.   ::MonkeyCool::

I knew that woman was full of Sh&t.   ::MonkeyCool::
You bet  ::MonkeyEek:: But the big question for me is, if you have involvement why the he!! do you go on a media tour?

To not scare off other possible victims? 
Never thought of that, but that sure would be why.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: no rose colored glasses on January 07, 2010, 08:07:59 PM
There were a lot of posts on Enima womans MS about coming and going to Mexico.  Wonder if it is connected?

 ::MonkeyEek::
I'm going to bet it is.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 07, 2010, 08:12:15 PM
Jack and Tammi Smith named persons of Interest. Allegedly know where Gabriel is and who has him and not telling LE. 

Surveillance video from supposedly Dec 27 at Motel 6, no baby, just grabs backpack, goes across street to Bus Station boards 1 pm bus to Fort Lauderdale. 

Dec 27th is same day she was seen with Gabriel at park. 

Not able to do composite sketch.  She is barely cooperating.  Not giving composite sketch. 


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 07, 2010, 08:13:54 PM
<snipped>

But before Johnson was arrested at a youth hostel in Miami Beach, a cell phone signal was tracked to her in Victoria, Texas, three days earlier, according to a court document. Victoria is 115 miles southwest of San Antonio, and the signal was last caught moving toward the Mexico border, according to the document.

“It has given us new info to follow up on,” Carbajal said.


http://www.eastvalleytribune.com/story/149226


I will map this after I get my kids fed.  If Gabriel is in Mexico I fear there is no way of getting him back. 



Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 07, 2010, 08:15:43 PM

<snipped>

But before Johnson was arrested at a youth hostel in Miami Beach, a cell phone signal was tracked to her in Victoria, Texas, three days earlier, according to a court document. Victoria is 115 miles southwest of San Antonio, and the signal was last caught moving toward the Mexico border, according to the document.

“It has given us new info to follow up on,” Carbajal said.


http://www.eastvalleytribune.com/story/149226


I will map this after I get my kids fed.  If Gabriel is in Mexico I fear there is no way of getting him back. 

Here are the maps

A) Tempe, AZ
B) Victoria , TX
C) San Antonio, TX


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 07, 2010, 08:21:55 PM
Sgt Carnajal Tempe Police now on phone.  The Smiths were never eligible to be adoptive parents as Logan never consented or was going to consent. 

Smiths named persons of interest as police have good indications that Tammi and Jack know more than they have provided which could lead LE to Gabriel.

LE believe Gabriel is alive and are hopefull that is the case.

Smiths have spoken to investigators but police do not feel they are providing them all the information they have on Gabriel, his location and condition.

New leads are coming in minute by minute.

No comment on if in one Motel rooms EJ left behind highchair, baby clothes and other belongings that belonged to Gabriel

Dec 22-27 EJ and Gabriel were in San Antonio

Gabriel was last seen Dec 26th NOT Dec 27th.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 07, 2010, 08:23:23 PM
Map I meant to post for Victoria TX to San Antonio TX 135 miles 3 hours drive one way


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 07, 2010, 08:28:43 PM
Here come the Smiths.  Tammi tried calling detectives many times today.  She has been trying to brainstorm.  Fox news has been digging for them?  Fox news has embraced the Smiths as they feel they are desperately trying to find this baby (HIS NAME IS GABRIEL  :smt092  )


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: no rose colored glasses on January 07, 2010, 08:33:22 PM
Jack and Tammi Smith named persons of Interest. Allegedly know where Gabriel is and who has him and not telling LE. 

Surveillance video from supposedly Dec 27 at Motel 6, no baby, just grabs backpack, goes across street to Bus Station boards 1 pm bus to Fort Lauderdale. 

Dec 27th is same day she was seen with Gabriel at park. 

Not able to do composite sketch.  She is barely cooperating.  Not giving composite sketch. 
Well that is a surprise that she is not able to do composite sketch  ::MonkeyRoll::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 07, 2010, 08:34:16 PM
Northern Rose

What did you feed those kids?

  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Janet


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 07, 2010, 08:39:34 PM
EJ was alone when she bought bus ticket

All EJ had was a back pack with her

Smiths said they offered to take  polygraph on News Years eve they have not heard back from police yet

Once EJ left they found out when they did the myspace thing.  They received an email from her.  Her idea was to run forever as Logan would not sign papers. 

Smiths said EJ told her Logan was back and forth on adoption.  Smiths asked to speak with him .  Smiths were to meet up when they went to court.  When Elizabeth won custody Logan and his dad just left and did not come back.

Tammi says EJ had physical custody but not shared custody.  Logan went to court and court gave EJ custody and told Logan he could go visit.

Official docs show it was split custody not sole custody for EJ until she did not show for court when she was on the run , then Logan got sole custody.

Jack is doing everything in his power to shut up Tammi a few times now. 



Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 07, 2010, 08:41:02 PM
Northern Rose

What did you feed those kids?

  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Janet

Chicken Alfredo with penne, and a tomato cucumber salad.  I had it almost ready just needed to put it on table  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Gizzie on January 07, 2010, 08:42:06 PM
Wow! Am watching these two on NG, and TS is exactly like CA, with the putting her hand on his leg to stop him from talking! And what's with both of them twiddling their thumbs? Annoying!  ::MonkeyNoNo::

The kid from the motel, when he was talking about EJ's backpack...any chance Gabriel was in that backpack? He said it was big. Just thinking...


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 07, 2010, 08:45:09 PM
OK Monkeys ... I am about to be the devil's advocate.

 ::MonkeyDevil::

What if Elizabeth is sincerely attempting to protect her baby from Logan?  Are there any reports filed with CPS ... but disregarded ... implying Gabriel would not be safe with his father or ... loved by his father?  Elizabeth does have issues but ... Logan has his own set of issues.  He does have a criminal record.

Janet


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Gizzie on January 07, 2010, 08:46:16 PM
Northern Rose

What did you feed those kids?

  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Janet

Chicken Alfredo with penne, and a tomato cucumber salad.  I had it almost ready just needed to put it on table  ::MonkeyHaHa::

mmmm... ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 07, 2010, 08:46:17 PM
Wow! Am watching these two on NG, and TS is exactly like CA, with the putting her hand on his leg to stop him from talking! And what's with both of them twiddling their thumbs? Annoying!  ::MonkeyNoNo::

The kid from the motel, when he was talking about EJ's backpack...any chance Gabriel was in that backpack? He said it was big. Just thinking...

That crossed my mind as well.  Especially since she left stuff behind at one of the hotel rooms.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 07, 2010, 08:49:43 PM
FTLOG, NG asked Tammi if Gabriel had diapers rash.  Tammi - Yes.  Earlier today Tammi said the allegations that Gabriel sat in a diaper all day were false as he never had a diaper rash.  Tammi then tried to explain is was a bacterial rash and Jack tried to shut her up. 

Now Tammi is trying shut Jack up.  Tammi looks like she may need a power flush.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Gizzie on January 07, 2010, 08:52:18 PM
FTLOG, NG asked Tammi if Gabriel had diapers rash.  Tammi - Yes.  Earlier today Tammi said the allegations that Gabriel sat in a diaper all day were false as he never had a diaper rash.  Tammi then tried to explain is was a bacterial rash and Jack tried to shut her up. 

Now Tammi is trying shut Jack up.  Tammi looks like she may need a power flush.

 :smt045 


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 07, 2010, 08:54:12 PM
OK Monkeys ... I am about to be the devil's advocate.

 ::MonkeyDevil::

What if Elizabeth is sincerely attempting to protect her baby from Logan?  Are there any reports filed with CPS ... but disregarded ... implying Gabriel would not be safe with his father or ... loved by his father?  Elizabeth does have issues but ... Logan has his own set of issues.  He does have a criminal record.

Janet


There is only a open CPS case with regards to EJ.  Logan also filed a restraining order against EJ after she trashed the apartment  , broke the crib and cut up all of Gabriel's clothes with Gabriel in the room. 


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: no rose colored glasses on January 07, 2010, 08:55:24 PM
FTLOG, NG asked Tammi if Gabriel had diapers rash.  Tammi - Yes.  Earlier today Tammi said the allegations that Gabriel sat in a diaper all day were false as he never had a diaper rash.  Tammi then tried to explain is was a bacterial rash and Jack tried to shut her up. 

Now Tammi is trying shut Jack up.  Tammi looks like she may need a power flush.

 :smt045 
Well they are in the right business for that to happen. Either the baby had or did not have a diaper rash, unless her next answer will be it was a very tiny rash. This woman is really crazy.  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: leslee on January 07, 2010, 08:56:10 PM
FTLOG, NG asked Tammi if Gabriel had diapers rash.  Tammi - Yes.  Earlier today Tammi said the allegations that Gabriel sat in a diaper all day were false as he never had a diaper rash.  Tammi then tried to explain is was a bacterial rash and Jack tried to shut her up. 

Now Tammi is trying shut Jack up.  Tammi looks like she may need a power flush.
::MonkeyDevil:: ::MonkeyDevil::
I have to find NG now LOL!


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: no rose colored glasses on January 07, 2010, 08:56:50 PM
Wow! Am watching these two on NG, and TS is exactly like CA, with the putting her hand on his leg to stop him from talking! And what's with both of them twiddling their thumbs? Annoying!  ::MonkeyNoNo::

The kid from the motel, when he was talking about EJ's backpack...any chance Gabriel was in that backpack? He said it was big. Just thinking...

That crossed my mind as well.  Especially since she left stuff behind at one of the hotel rooms.
Oh wow, so a big backpack and she left stuff behind, and she isn't cooperating with the composite sketch  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 07, 2010, 08:57:46 PM
Northern Rose

What did you feed those kids?

  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Janet

Chicken Alfredo with penne, and a tomato cucumber salad.  I had it almost ready just needed to put it on table  ::MonkeyHaHa::

That sounds sooogood.  Our kitchen table is absent of food.

 Maybe after Nancy Grace ... hubby will take me to either the Spagetti Factory or the Olive Garden for some pasta.  Chinese Food is his thing.  I guess jankenpo (rock, paper, sissors) is where it is at.  Doesn't really matter.  I don't have to cook either way.

Somehow my heart tells me that baby Gabriel will be coming home.

 ::MonkeyAngel::

Later, Janet
5:55 PM PT


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 07, 2010, 08:59:35 PM
FTLOG, NG asked Tammi if Gabriel had diapers rash.  Tammi - Yes.  Earlier today Tammi said the allegations that Gabriel sat in a diaper all day were false as he never had a diaper rash.  Tammi then tried to explain is was a bacterial rash and Jack tried to shut her up. 

Now Tammi is trying shut Jack up.  Tammi looks like she may need a power flush.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

You are on a roll today Northern Rose.

Janet


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 07, 2010, 09:03:16 PM
I transcribed the Myspace email that the Smiths provided NG and she read.

Here is what EJ sent to Tammi:

I am ever worried this email can be traced to where I am so I probably won't email again.  But I had to let you know we are alright because I know you must be worried sick and I am so sorry for that, I really am.




Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 07, 2010, 09:04:04 PM
OK Monkeys ... I am about to be the devil's advocate.

 ::MonkeyDevil::

What if Elizabeth is sincerely attempting to protect her baby from Logan?  Are there any reports filed with CPS ... but disregarded ... implying Gabriel would not be safe with his father or ... loved by his father?  Elizabeth does have issues but ... Logan has his own set of issues.  He does have a criminal record.

Janet


There is only a open CPS case with regards to EJ.  Logan also filed a restraining order against EJ after she trashed the apartment  , broke the crib and cut up all of Gabriel's clothes with Gabriel in the room. 

... but no accusations by Elizabeth against Logan in regards to Gabriel?

Janet


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: bananas on January 07, 2010, 09:05:11 PM
FTLOG, NG asked Tammi if Gabriel had diapers rash.  Tammi - Yes.  Earlier today Tammi said the allegations that Gabriel sat in a diaper all day were false as he never had a diaper rash.  Tammi then tried to explain is was a bacterial rash and Jack tried to shut her up. 

Now Tammi is trying shut Jack up.  Tammi looks like she may need a power flush.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

You are on a roll today Northern Rose.

Janet

yeah well my grandbabies had a HORRIBLE diaper rash that was caused by a fungus of all things and nothing we did would get rid of it til the doctor put them on meds so it wasn't from sitting in a dirty diaper all day but still IT IS A DIAPER RASH.  If they are guilty of something and trying to look innocent, they better shut up soon.  It ain't workin!


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 07, 2010, 09:07:30 PM
The other change is story ( huge surprise) tonight when NG was asking the Smiths how ofter they  heard from Elizabeth while she was going from Tempe, to San Antonio to Fl , they said they never were in contact when she was travelling, and then Tammi says you mean after she left?  It is like they know that route is not correct and early on Tammi said that Elizabeth was in CONSTANT contact with them and she could hear Gabriel in the background babbling and gigling till the time Elizabeth was arrested. 


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Searching on January 07, 2010, 09:09:44 PM
This is not sounding good..the cell phone and mexico thing.. anyone remember where in mexico the search for the baby floating in the river was being done? Where in relation to the cell info and known route was it.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: theboyzmom on January 07, 2010, 09:09:46 PM
Northern Rose

What did you feed those kids?

  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Janet

Fast Food of course!   ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 07, 2010, 09:10:31 PM
OK Monkeys ... I am about to be the devil's advocate.

 ::MonkeyDevil::

What if Elizabeth is sincerely attempting to protect her baby from Logan?  Are there any reports filed with CPS ... but disregarded ... implying Gabriel would not be safe with his father or ... loved by his father?  Elizabeth does have issues but ... Logan has his own set of issues.  He does have a criminal record.

Janet


There is only a open CPS case with regards to EJ.  Logan also filed a restraining order against EJ after she trashed the apartment , broke the crib and cut up all of Gabriel's clothes with Gabriel in the room. 

... but no accusations by Elizabeth against Logan in regards to Gabriel?

Janet

There was one.  EJ claimed Logan kidnapped Gabriel.   Police found Gabriel at a friend of EJ's and EJ hid Gabriel  there prior to filing the complaint.  It was a false accusation and police determined that in fact Logan had nothing to do with it, EJ set it up.  Though no one has said who the friend was , what are the odds that it was the Smiths?


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 07, 2010, 09:11:38 PM
This is not sounding good..the cell phone and mexico thing.. anyone remember where in mexico the search for the baby floating in the river was being done? Where in relation to the cell info and known route was it.

Los Lunas NM.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 07, 2010, 09:18:04 PM
This is not sounding good..the cell phone and mexico thing.. anyone remember where in mexico the search for the baby floating in the river was being done? Where in relation to the cell info and known route was it.

The confirmed route so far is

A) Tempe, AZ, USA
B) Victoria, TX
C) San Antonio , TX
D) Fort Lauderdale, FL
E) Miami Beach, FL



Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 07, 2010, 09:18:55 PM
Here is what it looks like if you toss in Los Lunas NM



Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 07, 2010, 09:21:15 PM
EJ bought a bus ticket to Fort Lauderdale yet was arrest in Miami Beach.  How easy would it be to get between the two places with public transportation?

They also said tonight her bus ticket cost $180.00 to Fort Lauderdale, Fl.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Nut44x4 on January 07, 2010, 09:21:48 PM
FTLOG, NG asked Tammi if Gabriel had diapers rash.  Tammi - Yes.  Earlier today Tammi said the allegations that Gabriel sat in a diaper all day were false as he never had a diaper rash.  Tammi then tried to explain is was a bacterial rash and Jack tried to shut her up. 

Now Tammi is trying shut Jack up.  Tammi looks like she may need a power flush.

omg lmao  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 07, 2010, 09:23:26 PM
FTLOG, NG asked Tammi if Gabriel had diapers rash.  Tammi - Yes.  Earlier today Tammi said the allegations that Gabriel sat in a diaper all day were false as he never had a diaper rash.  Tammi then tried to explain is was a bacterial rash and Jack tried to shut her up. 

Now Tammi is trying shut Jack up.  Tammi looks like she may need a power flush.

It is said that you need to have a good memory if you are going to lie.

Janet


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Babybear on January 07, 2010, 09:35:27 PM
I still think, as I said last night, that Gabriel has disappeared into the underground through one of the organizations which help mothers and children disappear from husband/father who the mother claims to be abusive, particularly sexual abusive to the child.  This has been going on for years.  In fact one child, the daughter of a Washington DC lady doctor, disappeared because the father had been molesting her. The mother wouldn't tell where she was and in fact went to jail for years for contempt.  It took an act of Congress to get her out of jail.  An underground organization got the little girl to Australia where she lived for years without being discovered by the father.  After she was found, she was then a teenager, the Australian judge refused to give her to the father.

That's what I think has happened to Gabriel.  I think some organization, and the Smiths IMO are in this up to their necks, arranged for Daniel to disappear on EJ's word of abuse.  Obviously, Logan is more respectable than Elizabeth and even LE says so.  It might be true that EJ doesn't know the people who took him, purposely so, but I believe it was prearranged.  IMO it was done on Elizabeth's part to get revenge on Logan, but the other people might sincerely think they saved Gabriel from his father.  If this is what happened, the underground people will never take Gabriel to LE.  They believe they are protecting him. That's what I think happened, and I might be wrong, but I don't think so.

BINGO!!

Babybear

I am incline to agree.  It makes sense of what appears to be so senseless.  EJ did not have to travel across the country to kill her baby ... she had a purpose.  I hope her computer/iphone  has been confiscated.

I remember reading about the account you shared regarding the underground.

Janet



Babybear

1.  Was Gabriel was hand over to the underground by Elizabeth "for his protection"?

2.  Did Elizabeth make a conscious choice not to know the details?

3.  Was she apprehended prior receiving new identication papers?

4.  Was the trapsing all over the country with and without Gabriel at her own expense meant as a method not to expose the underground participation?

5.  Could the Smith's home have been the safe house while arrangements were being made.

Babybear ... what was the name of the mother who allowed the underground to raise her daughter while she sat in jail for years rather than submitting her child to court ordered visitations with a father who allegedly molested her.  I think her name was also Elizabeth?  The father was a doctor if I recollect.

Thanks.

Janet

+++++


BOB JOHNSON

Johnson's Grandfather Thinks She's Lying
UPDATED: 11:22 am MST January 7, 2010


"She had this cockamamie idea that she was going to change her Social Security number and name and his Social Security number and name and run forever," Bob Johnson said.

http://www.kpho.com/news/22168065/detail.html


TAMMI SMITH

NANCY GRACE
New Developments in Missing Baby Gabriel Case
Aired January 6, 2010 - 20:00:00   ET


UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: The Smiths believe the baby is safe and that his mother, now behind bars, will never say where.

T. SMITH: She loved that baby enough that I believe, I believe, that she would probably stay in jail the rest of her life to make sure he was safe from the person that she wants to keep him from.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1001/06/ng.01.html

  Janet_ IMO yes to all of the above except #4. I don't think she was travelling on her own money.  It has been said that she didn't work, yet the Smith woman said she received her last Unemployment check.  I believe someone gave her money.  I believe that she took the Tornado Bus Line because it appears to be a bus service for migrant workers and she would not be found there.  She might have travelled to Miami to receive new identification papers for herself and Gabriel but was reported to be in the hostel on a tip, I believe, before she could receive the papers. She was less conspicuous travelling without a baby. So she had left the baby in Texas with someone arranged by the Smiths, IMO.

All of the above is just IMO only, but I believe I am right.

The parties involved in the DC case were Dr. Elizabeth Morgan, a Washington Plastic Surgeon and the father was Dr. Eric Foretich.  I don't recall his specialty. I believe the Act of Congress was introduced by Senator Orrin Hatch.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: klaasend on January 07, 2010, 09:51:42 PM
http://www.ksl.com/?nid=157&sid=9245955

'Persons of interest' named in missing baby case
January 7, 2010

PHOENIX (AP) - A couple from Scottsdale, Ariz., who wanted to adopt a woman's baby may know more about the missing child's whereabouts than they're telling investigators, police said Thursday.

Jack and Terri Smith are now "persons of interest" in the investigation into the disappearance of 8-month-old Gabriel Johnson, according to Tempe police spokesman Sgt. Steve Carbajal.

The baby was last seen in San Antonio in late December with his 23-year-old mother, Elizabeth Johnson.

Johnson was arrested last week in Florida on suspicion of custodial interference after she didn't show up for a custody hearing in Arizona. Her car was later found by the FBI in San Antonio.

She has since told a Phoenix television station that she gave the boy away in San Antonio. She made the statement after she sent a text message to her ex-boyfriend telling him she had killed the baby.

Police believe the baby has not been harmed.

"We are getting some indications that Gabriel is alive," Carbajal said Thursday. "We can't say specifically just what those are, but we are getting some indications that those are correct."

The Smiths have given numerous media interviews in recent days where they said they met Johnson at an airport during a long layover and befriended her. Terri Smith said the young mother wanted to give up her baby for adoption but the ex-boyfriend wouldn't go along.

Terri Smith told KTVK-TV in Phoenix on Thursday that the couple has cooperated fully with police and have nothing to hide.

The baby's father, Logan McQueary, has said Johnson tried several times to get him to sign away his parental rights but that he refused.

Tempe police have been inundated with tips and are now directing callers to the National Center for Missing or Exploited Children.

Carbajal urged anyone who has the baby to bring him to a safe place like a fire station or a hospital if they are afraid to come forward.

"Our focus has always been the same, and that is locating Gabriel," he said.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 07, 2010, 10:02:49 PM
Any thoughts on why EJ would go to Victoria TX, before going to San Antonio? 


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Babybear on January 07, 2010, 10:09:55 PM
Any thoughts on why EJ would go to Victoria TX, before going to San Antonio? 

Maybe to pick up some money.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 07, 2010, 10:15:54 PM
Any thoughts on why EJ would go to Victoria TX, before going to San Antonio? 

Maybe to pick up some money.

Do you think there would be checkpoints to validate her and her story before getting into the underground for  the true help?


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 07, 2010, 10:25:55 PM
In this interview the bus depot man says that EJ was the only white person on the bus.


http://www.foxsanantonio.com/newsroom/top_stories/videos/vid_903.shtml


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 07, 2010, 10:47:52 PM
Couple hoping to adopt baby Gabriel now persons of interest (with video interview of the Smiths)

SCOTTSDALE – Sources close to the investigation into 8-month-old Gabriel’s disappearance tell 3TV’s Mike Watkiss that one-time adoptive family, Jack and Tammy Smith, are now considered persons of interest.

While the Smiths claim to be cooperating with police, investigators now believe the couple has some knowledge that may lead to the whereabouts of baby Gabriel but they are not sharing that information with investigators.

3TV caught up with Jack and Tammi Smith on Thursday afternoon and asked them about their change in status from victims to potential suspects. The Smiths say they have nothing to hide and that they have fully cooperated with police. The couple also says they just want to see the safe return of baby Gabriel.

Tempe new tip line has been established so that anyone with information on Gabriel's whereabouts can call 1-800-THE-LOST (1-800-843-5678).

Police say that whoever has the baby can turn him over to a safe place such as a fire station or a hospital if they feel too scared to come forward.


http://www.azfamily.com/news/Couple-hoping-to-adopt-baby-Gabriel-now-person-of-interest-80948977.html


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Babybear on January 07, 2010, 10:53:03 PM
Any thoughts on why EJ would go to Victoria TX, before going to San Antonio? 

Maybe to pick up some money.

Do you think there would be checkpoints to validate her and her story before getting into the underground for  the true help?

Yes, I think so.  I do think she had been vouched for by the Smiths, though. I think at some point she had to pick up some money.  It would not surprise me if the Smiths have helped with something like this before.  There is a network which helps women and children disappear.  Sometimes for good reason and once in a while when they have been duped.  If this is what happened here, I think they've been duped.  On the other hand, it might be a ploy to deliver the baby to the Smiths.  I think their home has been searched, but Gabriel could be somewhere else with someone connected to the Smiths.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 07, 2010, 10:54:59 PM
Any thoughts on why EJ would go to Victoria TX, before going to San Antonio? 

I don't but ... Babybear does.

Janet

++++++


 I don't think she was travelling on her own money.  It has been said that she didn't work, yet the Smith woman said she received her last Unemployment check.  I believe someone gave her money.  I believe that she took the Tornado Bus Line because it appears to be a bus service for migrant workers and she would not be found there.  She might have travelled to Miami to receive new identification papers for herself and Gabriel but was reported to be in the hostel on a tip, I believe, before she could receive the papers. She was less conspicuous travelling without a baby. So she had left the baby in Texas with someone arranged by the Smiths, IMO.

All of the above is just IMO only, but I believe I am right.

The parties involved in the DC case were Dr. Elizabeth Morgan, a Washington Plastic Surgeon and the father was Dr. Eric Foretich.  I don't recall his specialty. I believe the Act of Congress was introduced by Senator Orrin Hatch.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 07, 2010, 10:57:25 PM
Mods ... I messed up again.  I apologize.

Please delete post #530. 

Thank you.

Janet

Done.  YW Janet.  MB


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 07, 2010, 11:12:29 PM
Elizabeth Morgan Act

Hilary Antonia Foretich (b. 1982), later known as Ellen Morgan, was at the center of a well-publicized international custody case in the late 1980s. Hilary’s maternal grandparents took her to New Zealand, defying a court order that Hilary have unsupervised visitation with her father, Dr. Eric Foretich. Her mother, plastic surgeon Elizabeth Morgan, spent 25 months in detention from 1987 to 1989 for contempt of court in Washington, D.C., for refusing to reveal Hilary’s whereabouts.

Elizabeth Morgan had alleged that Foretich had sexually abused their daughter, an accusation that he has vehemently denied and which has never been proved in court.[1] Dr. Morgan is Foretich’s third wife. His second wife has also accused him of sexual abuse of their daughter, Heather, (b. 1980). Foretich denies those charges, and has repeatedly said the two women have acted in collusion.[2]

Elizabeth Morgan was freed in 1989 by an Act of Congress and joined her daughter and parents in New Zealand. The U.S. Congress passed the Elizabeth Morgan Act in 1996, which permitted Hilary, who by then called herself Ellen Morgan, to decide whether or not to see her father. The 14-year-old returned with her mother to the United States, but declined to see her father. Eric Foretich sued in 1997. The law was overturned as a bill of attainder by the U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia in 2003, but had no practical effect on Hilary, who was by then 21 and could choose for herself whether or not to see her father.[1] Hilary Foretich, aka Ellen Morgan, is now known as Elena Mitrano.[3]

A TV movie, A Mother's Right: The Elizabeth Morgan Story, was made regarding the matter.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elizabeth_Morgan_Act




Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: leslee on January 07, 2010, 11:28:27 PM
Any thoughts on why EJ would go to Victoria TX, before going to San Antonio? 

Maybe to pick up some money.

Do you think there would be checkpoints to validate her and her story before getting into the underground for  the true help?

Yes, I think so.  I do think she had been vouched for by the Smiths, though. I think at some point she had to pick up some money.  It would not surprise me if the Smiths have helped with something like this before.  There is a network which helps women and children disappear.  Sometimes for good reason and once in a while when they have been duped.  If this is what happened here, I think they've been duped. If this is what happened here I would think they would turn the baby over having found out that the mother has mental issues and an open case with CPS.  On the other hand, it might be a ploy to deliver the baby to the Smiths. I do not think the Smiths ever intended on keeping Gabriel, I think she uses the internet sob story as a ploy to lure young mothers into giving up their kids. Even if that is not the case the Smiths can not jeopodize her business for the sake of one kid. They would now have to be on the run constantly and they are on the map with LE now so if that were the scenario I think they would have spilled the beans. I think their home has been searched, but Gabriel could be somewhere else with someone connected to the Smiths.

Hi Babybear... my opinions/thoughts are posted in blue.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 08, 2010, 12:20:29 AM
Good Night Northern Rose

 ::MonkeyBike::

Janet
9:20 PM PT


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 08, 2010, 12:24:15 AM
<snipped>

"She had this cockamamie idea that she was going to change her Social Security number and name and his Social Security number and name and run forever," Bob Johnson said.

http://www.kpho.com/news/22168065/detail.html

When grandpa bob said this it may not have been as cockamamie as he thought.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 08, 2010, 12:25:05 AM
Good Night Northern Rose

 ::MonkeyBike::

Janet
9:20 PM PT

Good Night Janet, God bless.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 08, 2010, 12:28:55 AM
Persons Of Interest’ ID'd In Missing Baby Case

TEMPE, Ariz. -- The Tempe Police Department said it has identified two persons of interest in connection with the disappearance of 8-month-old Gabriel Johnson.

TEMPE, Ariz. -- The Tempe Police Department said it has identified two persons of interest in connection with the disappearance of 8-month-old Gabriel Johnson.

Watch:'Persons Of Interest' Named In Missing Baby Case

Police investigators said they believe Tammi and Jack Smith have information that will lead them to the baby. The Smiths, who wanted to adopt the infant, spent significant time getting to know Gabriel and have several pictures with the boy in their home, playing with their own 4-year-old daughter.

Tempe police spokesman Sgt. Steve Carbajal said the couple may know more about the missing child's whereabouts than they're telling investigators.

The infant was last seen in San Antonio, Texas, in December with his 23-year-old mother, Elizabeth Johnson. She allegedly told Logan McQueary, her ex-boyfriend, that she'd killed their baby.

Carbajal said investigators have received indications Gabriel is still alive, but are still unsure of his whereabouts.

"That is the X factor at this point. We do not know at this point. We do not have a location," said Carbajal.

Johnson was arrested last week in Miami Beach, Fla., on suspicion of custodial interference after she failed to show up for a custodial hearing in Phoenix. Authorities say she has refused to say where her son is.

Tempe officers are in Florida preparing to bring Johnson back to Arizona.

Police on Thursday also announced a new tip line for leads into the baby's location. Officers, working with the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children, are staffing a 24/7 hotline for people to call with any information to call. The number is 1-800-THE-LOST (1-800-843-5678).

Elizabeth Johnson's white Oldsmobile was found parked at a San Antonio motel Tuesday evening. A baby seat and other items were inside, and there were no obvious signs of violence, said FBI spokesman Eric Vasys. The vehicle was being combed for evidence of the baby's whereabouts, he said.

http://www.kpho.com/news/22177943/detail.html


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 08, 2010, 12:47:54 AM
Elizabeth has a twin brother - Robert Johnson ::MonkeyEek::

http://www.abc15.com/mediacenter/local.aspx?videoid=26353@knxv.dayport.com


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 08, 2010, 12:55:11 AM
According to twin brother Robert Johnson, him and Elizabeth were in foster homes till they were 12, then they moved to Scottsdale to live with their father.  They were close until they had a falling out when Robert introduced Logan his friend of 10 years to Elizabeth.  He believes Logan is quite capable to raise Gabriel.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 08, 2010, 12:58:23 AM
<snipped>

Elizabeth's twin brother, Robert Johnson, said he doesn't believe his sister's story, but also said he has to support her.

"She's stubborn and hard headed.  If she doesn't want Logan to have the baby, she will do everything she can to keep Gabriel from Logan." 

http://www.abc15.com/content/news/southeastvalley/tempe/story/Persons-of-Interest-named-in-missing-Tempe-infant/xgsbK2cK80iD5ZWBC0ifjg.cspx


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 08, 2010, 01:02:35 AM
Tammis Ex-husband has chirped in now:

kieth - 1/7/2010 3:02 PM 5 Votes Report User I HOPE THIS IS NOT ANOTHER SUSAN SMITH... I HOPE THEY FIND THE BOY SOON, ALIVE. THE FUNNY TWIST TO THIS STORY IS TAMMI AND JACK SMITH. I WILL TELLYOU ABOUT THE SO CALLED GOOD MOTHER, TAMMI. SHE IS MY X WIFE AND THE MOTHER OF OUR 3 WES I SAID 3 KIDS. SHE DID NOT RAISE HER OWN KIDS,WORK OR EVEN CLEAN OR COOK FOR THEM...I DID. SHE GAVE THEM UP AND TOLD MY WIFE AT THE TIME TO ADOPT THEM. SHE WAS MARRYING JACK AND HE DID NOT TO DEAL WITH THE CHILDREN,SO SHE CHOSE HIM OVER HER OWN CHILDREN. LIKE I SAID I HOPE THE BOY IS OK AND I HOPE TAMMI DOES NOT GET COSTUDY. THE OTHER CHILD THEY HAVE IS JACKS GRANDAUGHTER,THAT IS WHY THE HAVE HER. THEY CANT ADOPT THE NORMAL WAY...OH OH OH DID I MENTION THAT SHE HAS LITTLE OR NO CONTACT WITH HER 3 KIDS,TAMMI IS NOT FIT TO BE A MOTHER OF ANY KIDS
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http://www.abc15.com/content/news/southeastvalley/tempe/story/Persons-of-Interest-named-in-missing-Tempe-infant/xgsbK2cK80iD5ZWBC0ifjg.cspx?p=Comments


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: bananas on January 08, 2010, 01:05:39 AM
Tammis Ex-husband has chirped in now:

kieth - 1/7/2010 3:02 PM 5 Votes Report User I HOPE THIS IS NOT ANOTHER SUSAN SMITH... I HOPE THEY FIND THE BOY SOON, ALIVE. THE FUNNY TWIST TO THIS STORY IS TAMMI AND JACK SMITH. I WILL TELLYOU ABOUT THE SO CALLED GOOD MOTHER, TAMMI. SHE IS MY X WIFE AND THE MOTHER OF OUR 3 WES I SAID 3 KIDS. SHE DID NOT RAISE HER OWN KIDS,WORK OR EVEN CLEAN OR COOK FOR THEM...I DID. SHE GAVE THEM UP AND TOLD MY WIFE AT THE TIME TO ADOPT THEM. SHE WAS MARRYING JACK AND HE DID NOT TO DEAL WITH THE CHILDREN,SO SHE CHOSE HIM OVER HER OWN CHILDREN. LIKE I SAID I HOPE THE BOY IS OK AND I HOPE TAMMI DOES NOT GET COSTUDY. THE OTHER CHILD THEY HAVE IS JACKS GRANDAUGHTER,THAT IS WHY THE HAVE HER. THEY CANT ADOPT THE NORMAL WAY...OH OH OH DID I MENTION THAT SHE HAS LITTLE OR NO CONTACT WITH HER 3 KIDS,TAMMI IS NOT FIT TO BE A MOTHER OF ANY KIDS
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http://www.abc15.com/content/news/southeastvalley/tempe/story/Persons-of-Interest-named-in-missing-Tempe-infant/xgsbK2cK80iD5ZWBC0ifjg.cspx?p=Comments

OMG!  Is this really her ex husband?  Sounds peachy.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 08, 2010, 01:07:31 AM
Police: Couple May Know More About Disappearance
Source Reveals Why Tammi, Jack Smith Are Now Person's Of Interest

TEMPE, Ariz. -- Tempe investigators said they have gotten several tips about Gabriel Johnson from an unusual place, Nashville, Tenn.

According to those who know her, Elizabeth Johnson has never been to Nashville. She has no contacts there. But Tammi Peter Smith does. That's where she opened her first Healing Waters clinic back in 2004.

Tempe police said they are taking the connection seriously, naming the Smiths as persons of interest in the case.

"There would be nothing that they could charge us with because we have done nothing, we've done everything that the police have asked us," Tammi Peter Smith said.

Tammi and Jack Smith said their only priority is the safe return of 8-month-old Gabriel, and said it was Elizabeth who was driving the adoption plans. Not them.

"We did not do the adoption papers like she wanted. She wanted to keep pushing it along, pushing it along," Tammi Smith said.

But the baby's father, Logan McQueary, remembers differently. He said the Smiths pressured him after Gabriel disappeared.

And Tonight, an eerily similar story has emerged.

"I think what they've done is wrong. They've manipulated the system and lied and I wouldn't mind seeing them face charges," said Jack Smith's stepson, Travis Andrews Warford.

Warford is the biological father of Jack Smith's Granddaughter, Hannah. Warford claims the Smiths offered him money to sign over his custodial rights.

"Three different occasions over a year and a half in between, the man offered me money to get out of his life, leave him alone and let him have my little girl, period. I'll put my hand on any bible in any court in the United States and swear to it," said Warford.


But Tammi Smith replied, "Why would we offer him money, they revoked his rights?"

The Smiths were awarded legal custody of Hannah. But Travis, who has spend time in jail, says he was never alerted that the Smiths were headed to court.

"I'm angry. And the first chance that I have any opportunity, I will do as much as I can to gain not only visitation, but ultimately custody of my daughter," said Warford.

The Smiths deny all of Warford's claims.

"I'm sorry. You guys need to dig and find out who this guy is, and then you will be embarrassed that you are asking these questions," said Tammi Smith.

"At the end of the day, God will see justice done. And if they've done to these people what they done to me, but he's even lying to the law and the media, his time will come," said Warford.

How Warford's claims relate to the attempted adoption of Gabriel Johnson and his current whereabouts remains to be seen.

http://www.kpho.com/news/22180215/detail.html


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: bananas on January 08, 2010, 01:12:56 AM
Police: Couple May Know More About Disappearance
Source Reveals Why Tammi, Jack Smith Are Now Person's Of Interest

TEMPE, Ariz. -- Tempe investigators said they have gotten several tips about Gabriel Johnson from an unusual place, Nashville, Tenn.

According to those who know her, Elizabeth Johnson has never been to Nashville. She has no contacts there. But Tammi Peter Smith does. That's where she opened her first Healing Waters clinic back in 2004.

Tempe police said they are taking the connection seriously, naming the Smiths as persons of interest in the case.

"There would be nothing that they could charge us with because we have done nothing, we've done everything that the police have asked us," Tammi Peter Smith said.

Tammi and Jack Smith said their only priority is the safe return of 8-month-old Gabriel, and said it was Elizabeth who was driving the adoption plans. Not them.

"We did not do the adoption papers like she wanted. She wanted to keep pushing it along, pushing it along," Tammi Smith said.

But the baby's father, Logan McQueary, remembers differently. He said the Smiths pressured him after Gabriel disappeared.

And Tonight, an eerily similar story has emerged.

"I think what they've done is wrong. They've manipulated the system and lied and I wouldn't mind seeing them face charges," said Jack Smith's stepson, Travis Andrews Warford.

Warford is the biological father of Jack Smith's Granddaughter, Hannah. Warford claims the Smiths offered him money to sign over his custodial rights.

"Three different occasions over a year and a half in between, the man offered me money to get out of his life, leave him alone and let him have my little girl, period. I'll put my hand on any bible in any court in the United States and swear to it," said Warford.


But Tammi Smith replied, "Why would we offer him money, they revoked his rights?"

The Smiths were awarded legal custody of Hannah. But Travis, who has spend time in jail, says he was never alerted that the Smiths were headed to court.

"I'm angry. And the first chance that I have any opportunity, I will do as much as I can to gain not only visitation, but ultimately custody of my daughter," said Warford.

The Smiths deny all of Warford's claims.

"I'm sorry. You guys need to dig and find out who this guy is, and then you will be embarrassed that you are asking these questions," said Tammi Smith.

"At the end of the day, God will see justice done. And if they've done to these people what they done to me, but he's even lying to the law and the media, his time will come," said Warford.

How Warford's claims relate to the attempted adoption of Gabriel Johnson and his current whereabouts remains to be seen.

http://www.kpho.com/news/22180215/detail.html

Interesting... and now they begin to come out of the woodwork......

You do such good investigative work Northern Rose.

My eyes are starting to roll back in my head now so I guess I better get some shuteye.  I have a lot to do tomorrow.  My baby granddaughter is in the hospital under an oxygen tent with RSV and I am going out there tomorrow to get my grandson who has recovered from it.  He will stay witm me us a few days.... we will love it!

Good night monkeys.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 08, 2010, 01:20:20 AM
Travis Andrew Warford - Stepson of Jackie Smith

Defendant Details   2005     
 
Defendant Case Number Defendant Status Case Status
Warford, Travis Andrew GS209354 CONCLUDED CLOSED - INDICTED
  Appearance Details       

Date Judge Court Room Attorney Reason
      Mothershead, Kyle F.   
  Charge Details       

Charged/Cited Offense(s) Convicted Disposition Bond Date
Agg. Assault     $20000   
 
 Defendant Details      2005 

Defendant Case Number Defendant Status Case Status
Warford, Travis Andrew GS211003 CONCLUDED CLOSED - INDICTED
  Appearance Details       
Date Judge Court Room Attorney Reason
      Mothershead, Kyle F.   
  Charge Details       
 
Charged/Cited Offense(s) Convicted Disposition Bond Date
Agg. Assault     $20000   
 
 Defendant Details        2005
Defendant Case Number Defendant Status Case Status
Warford, Travis Andrew GS211004 CONCLUDED CLOSED - INDICTED
  Appearance Details       
Date Judge Court Room Attorney Reason
      Mothershead, Kyle F.   
 
 Charge Details       
Charged/Cited Offense(s) Convicted Disposition Bond Date
Agg. Kidnapping
 
Defendant Details       

 
Defendant Case Number Defendant Status Case Status
Warford, Travis Andrew 2005-C-1563 CONCLUDED CLOSED
   
 Appearance Details       

 
Date Judge Court Room Attorney Reason
      Weiss, Katie   
     
 Charge Details       
 
Charged/Cited Offense(s) Convicted Disposition Bond Date
Agg. Kidnapping   Dismissed $60000 04/28/2006
Agg. Assault   Dismissed   04/28/2006
Agg. Assault Asl, Dom Bod Inju Guilty - Lesser Charge   04/28/2006
Agg. Assault   Dismissed   04/28/2006
 
 Charging Instrument   
 
 http://ccc.nashville.gov/portal/page/portal/ccc/caseSearch/caseSearchPublic/caseSearchPublicResults/?a1=538980|1350290|CJIS

If you go to the site and search his name you can open the affidavits which are in pdf form.  This was one case, domestic and all charges were dismissed except one.

 

 
 
 

 

 
 
 



Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 08, 2010, 01:21:27 AM
Bananas my prayers are with you and your grand children.  Rest well and God Bless.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 08, 2010, 01:34:32 AM
Tammis Ex-husband has chirped in now:

kieth - 1/7/2010 3:02 PM 5 Votes Report User I HOPE THIS IS NOT ANOTHER SUSAN SMITH... I HOPE THEY FIND THE BOY SOON, ALIVE. THE FUNNY TWIST TO THIS STORY IS TAMMI AND JACK SMITH. I WILL TELLYOU ABOUT THE SO CALLED GOOD MOTHER, TAMMI. SHE IS MY X WIFE AND THE MOTHER OF OUR 3 WES I SAID 3 KIDS. SHE DID NOT RAISE HER OWN KIDS,WORK OR EVEN CLEAN OR COOK FOR THEM...I DID. SHE GAVE THEM UP AND TOLD MY WIFE AT THE TIME TO ADOPT THEM. SHE WAS MARRYING JACK AND HE DID NOT TO DEAL WITH THE CHILDREN,SO SHE CHOSE HIM OVER HER OWN CHILDREN. LIKE I SAID I HOPE THE BOY IS OK AND I HOPE TAMMI DOES NOT GET COSTUDY. THE OTHER CHILD THEY HAVE IS JACKS GRANDAUGHTER,THAT IS WHY THE HAVE HER. THEY CANT ADOPT THE NORMAL WAY...OH OH OH DID I MENTION THAT SHE HAS LITTLE OR NO CONTACT WITH HER 3 KIDS,TAMMI IS NOT FIT TO BE A MOTHER OF ANY KIDS
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http://www.abc15.com/content/news/southeastvalley/tempe/story/Persons-of-Interest-named-in-missing-Tempe-infant/xgsbK2cK80iD5ZWBC0ifjg.cspx?p=Comments

OMG!  Is this really her ex husband?  Sounds peachy.

I just did a check and her Ex is named Keith and lives in Chalmette, LA....so could very well be   ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 08, 2010, 01:45:05 AM
Police: Pair may know where missing baby is (with video)

The couple who met baby Gabriel in an airport and spent the past seven months trying to adopt him have been named "persons of interest" in his disappearance.

Police believe Tammi and Jack Smith of Scottsdale have information that could lead them to the baby but are not cooperating, said Sgt. Steve Carbajal, a Tempe police spokesman. The child has been gone for weeks after his mother took off with him on Dec. 18. Elizabeth Johnson, 23, was arrested Dec. 30 in Miami without the child.

Tammi Smith told The Republic this week that she texted and called Johnson up until her arrest, though Smith insisted she was trying to find out where the baby was and coax Johnson into returning to Arizona.

But Logan McQueary, 25, the child's father, told reporters he felt extorted by the couple and said they told him Johnson would return if he would sign over his parental rights.

The 8-month-old child was last seen with his mother in San Antonio, where she spent Dec. 22 to Dec. 27 at two motels in the city. She then left her car at a Motel 6 next to a bus stop. She was tracked down four days later and arrested at a Miami hostile.

She has refused to talk to investigators, but she told a local television station that she gave the baby to a couple she met in a San Antonio park.

While on the run, she texted the baby's father and told him in a subsequent phone conversation that she killed Gabriel and was leaving the country. Police tracked her cellphone to Victoria, Texas, according to court documents.

McQueary said Johnson told him that once out of the country, she would call him to let him know where he could find the child's body - in a dumpster in a baby bag.

Tempe police say, however, that they have indications that the child is alive. McQueary told reporters that he, too, believed his son was alive and well.

Early in the investigation, police questioned Jack and Tammi Smith, who said they had temporary guardianship of the child for about 10 to 12 days at the beginning of December.

A Tempe police detective saw paperwork on the guardianship while at the Smith home checking on the baby last month, though they were not court-issued documents, so the papers' authority is unclear, Carbajal said.

Smith said she met Johnson at an airport during a layover. She spotted the young mother and said she looked tired and depressed. Smith said she went up to Johnson and asked if she was looking for someone to adopt the child, and Johnson said "yes," though the father refused to sign over his rights.

Smith said she and her husband spent seven months trying to adopt Gabriel and that his parents wanted to give him up at different times. Johnson and McQueary never seemed to be on the same page, she said.

McQueary told reporters Monday that that wasn't the case and that he never wanted to give up his child.

Smith told The Republic in a phone interview Tuesday that she got a text from Johnson denying that she'd killed Gabriel and telling the Smiths that she sent the message to get back at McQueary.

"Neither of them want the baby," said Smith, who lives in north Scottsdale and owns a colon-hydrotherapy practice. "Most likely, she's left him with another family she's chosen like she had chosen us."

Police are looking into the story Johnson told the television station, though they have no indications whether it is true and do not have a definite location on where Gabriel might be.

"The X factor is, if what she says is correct, what if that family is not from San Antonio?" Carbajal said.

Carbajal and McQueary spent most of Thursday morning on national morning TV shows, making pleas to anyone who might know where Gabriel is.

"If you have baby Gabriel and you're fearful of prosecution, drop him off somewhere safe and walk away," Carbajal said Thursday afternoon. "Prosecution isn't a big concern at this point, it's getting back Gabriel - and that's the focus, and that's always been the focus."

Police have set up a new tip line with the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children and are asking anyone with information to call 800-THE-LOST, or 800-843-5678.

http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/local/articles/2010/01/08/20100108missingbaby0108.html


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 08, 2010, 01:55:44 AM
'Persons of interest' named in missing Tempe baby case (interview with the Smiths from tonight..and BOY what a DOOZIE!)

Jack - They should have been POI from day one  ::MonkeyEek::
Tammi - "Lets do this paper work, and maybe she will tell us where the baby is...its not legal anyway, but does she have to know that?  I'd rather get the baby back and sign these phony papers but I guess the detectives don't want us to do that...   ::MonkeyEek::
Tammi -  thinking of getting a dog as it seems to be a hard process trying to adopt   ::MonkeyEek::

http://www.abc15.com/content/news/southeastvalley/tempe/story/Persons-of-interest-named-in-missing-Tempe-baby/xgsbK2cK80iD5ZWBC0ifjg.cspx?p=Comments


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Searching on January 08, 2010, 04:32:02 AM
Any thoughts on why EJ would go to Victoria TX, before going to San Antonio? 

I was wondering why she would go to Ft. Lauderdale before Miami.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Searching on January 08, 2010, 04:36:02 AM
Wait monkeys..... What if we are following the wrong trail here? see, like throwing someone off trail of footsteps, you walk all over in circles etc to confuse.. what if we are following the wrong trail? while everyone is looking at where EJ went, look at where one or both Smiths went on the last day he was seen. See if any friends or family of the smiths took any trips.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Babybear on January 08, 2010, 09:26:36 AM
Any thoughts on why EJ would go to Victoria TX, before going to San Antonio? 

Maybe to pick up some money.

Do you think there would be checkpoints to validate her and her story before getting into the underground for  the true help?

Yes, I think so.  I do think she had been vouched for by the Smiths, though. I think at some point she had to pick up some money.  It would not surprise me if the Smiths have helped with something like this before.  There is a network which helps women and children disappear.  Sometimes for good reason and once in a while when they have been duped.  If this is what happened here, I think they've been duped. If this is what happened here I would think they would turn the baby over having found out that the mother has mental issues and an open case with CPS.  On the other hand, it might be a ploy to deliver the baby to the Smiths. I do not think the Smiths ever intended on keeping Gabriel, I think she uses the internet sob story as a ploy to lure young mothers into giving up their kids. Even if that is not the case the Smiths can not jeopodize her business for the sake of one kid. They would now have to be on the run constantly and they are on the map with LE now so if that were the scenario I think they would have spilled the beans. I think their home has been searched, but Gabriel could be somewhere else with someone connected to the Smiths.

Hi Babybear... my opinions/thoughts are posted in blue.

Hi Leslie--You could be absolutely right.  But IMO there is definitely more to this and the Smiths are involved.  I don't think it is a simple matter of EJ just wanting to take the baby and leave.  Nor do I believe she gave Gabriel to strangers she met in a park.  They might have been strangers, but IMO it was pre-arranged, probably by the Smiths.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Monkey with Class on January 08, 2010, 09:42:36 AM
Wait monkeys..... What if we are following the wrong trail here? see, like throwing someone off trail of footsteps, you walk all over in circles etc to confuse.. what if we are following the wrong trail? while everyone is looking at where EJ went, look at where one or both Smiths went on the last day he was seen. See if any friends or family of the smiths took any trips.

You may be on to something here.  I wonder if their neighbors can verify anyone visiting during this time period?


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Babybear on January 08, 2010, 09:43:44 AM
Wait monkeys..... What if we are following the wrong trail here? see, like throwing someone off trail of footsteps, you walk all over in circles etc to confuse.. what if we are following the wrong trail? while everyone is looking at where EJ went, look at where one or both Smiths went on the last day he was seen. See if any friends or family of the smiths took any trips.

Yes, Searching.  You could be right and all of this meandering is a smokescreen to throw everyone off.   Nice that the Smiths think a dog could just be interchangeable with a baby.  Less trouble to get one.  Are these people crazy?  She seems to concentrate her efforts on a certain part of the anatomy and in fact she is that certain part.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Monkey with Class on January 08, 2010, 09:46:40 AM
Not sure what means they have in Texas for death penalty.  But I would be willing to bet the Smiths told Elizabeth to never talk, and everything would be fine after maybe a month or two.  I would take Elizabeth on a tour of the jail and maybe thru the death chambers whether it be Injection or Gas.  And maybe ask her which one she prefers.  This may enlighten her to start talking more about how the Smiths are involved.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: no rose colored glasses on January 08, 2010, 09:48:40 AM
Thanks for all the updates  ::MonkeyEek:: This is all just getting weirder and weirder, I was wondering when some friends or relatives were going to start coming out of the woodwork  ::MonkeyShocked::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Babybear on January 08, 2010, 09:53:40 AM
Interesting reading about CHILDREN OF THE UNDERGROUND.

http://dartcenter.org/content/children-underground

I would be surprised if some sort of similar organization is not involved here and I would be even more surprised if the Smiths aren't connected to it somehow.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 08, 2010, 10:10:23 AM
Not sure what means they have in Texas for death penalty.  But I would be willing to bet the Smiths told Elizabeth to never talk, and everything would be fine after maybe a month or two.  I would take Elizabeth on a tour of the jail and maybe thru the death chambers whether it be Injection or Gas.  And maybe ask her which one she prefers.  This may enlighten her to start talking more about how the Smiths are involved.

This raises a question.  If something did happen to Gabriel would the laws of the state that it took place be applied?  Texas has a fast track to death penalty so I would think if Gabriel was harmed in Texas then the laws of Texas would apply?


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 08, 2010, 10:15:51 AM
Thanks for all the updates  ::MonkeyEek:: This is all just getting weirder and weirder, I was wondering when some friends or relatives were going to start coming out of the woodwork  ::MonkeyShocked::

The last interview did it for me.  As we have heard somewhere before " the truth and Mrs Smith seem to be strangers" pops in my thoughts.   ::MonkeyNoNo::  So now it is ok to knowingly write up and proceed to get signed false adoption papers?  This has to be illegal...please someone tell me that they can be charged here. 

What makes no sense is that EJ was out of state, Tammi could have told her Yes, Logan signed the papers it's a done deal come back, without creating said papers, and attempting to strongarm Logan into signing said papers.    EJ would have not known the difference.  Her excuse and explanation goes down the flusher for me.  She also NEVER told Logan that the papers were fakes, it was all for show to get EJ back.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 08, 2010, 10:17:02 AM
Any thoughts on why EJ would go to Victoria TX, before going to San Antonio? 

I was wondering why she would go to Ft. Lauderdale before Miami.

I believe that is as far as the Tornado Bus goes.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: cookie on January 08, 2010, 10:26:04 AM
getting weirder and weirder!


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 08, 2010, 10:40:19 AM
'Persons of interest' named in missing Tempe baby case

TEMPE, AZ – The Tempe Police Department has named a Scottsdale couple 'persons of interest' in their investigation to find a missing child.

According to police spokesperson Steve Carbajal, investigators believe Tammi and Jack Smith have undisclosed information that will lead them to baby Gabriel Johnson.

"The Smiths may have more information that they haven't shared with us up to this point that could lead us to baby Gabriel," said Sgt. Steve Carbajal of the Tempe Police Department.

"We should have been persons of interest from day one," said Jack Smith. "We are persons of interest. We were probably the last people to see Gabriel before he left town."

The Smiths had apparently tried to adopt the 8-month-old from mother Elizabeth Johnson last month, but Gabriel's father, Logan McQuary refused to sign the adoption papers.

"When Gabriel dissapeared, they said basically, if you really care about your son and you want him back, and you want Elizabeth to bring him back, that you'll sign the paperwork and then she'll bring him back to us, and you'll know he's safe," said McQueary. "And I said, no, I'm not signing any paperwork."

The Smiths said they were just relaying messages from Johnson to McQueary after she had taken off with the baby.

"Let's do this paperwork, and maybe she'll tell us where the baby is," said Tammi Smith.  "It's not legal anyway, but does she have to know that? I mean, I'd rather get the baby back and sign the phony papers, but I guess the detectives don't want us to do that."

When McQueary tried to gain custody of Gabriel, 23-year-old Elizabeth apparently disappeared with the infant.

Carbajal said Elizabeth initially told authorities she gave her baby to a couple she met in San Antonio while on the run after skipping out on a custodial hearing in Phoenix.

"They wanted the baby and she simply gave it to them," said Bob Johnson, Elizabeth's grandfather. "It sounded like a pretty weak story. It was almost on the border of unbelievable that a person would do that with an 8-month-old child."

But Johnson also said he doesn't believe the Smiths had anything to do with Gabriel's disappearance.

"That's ridiculous... no, God, no," he said.

Bob Johnson said Elizabeth met Tammi Smith at an airport when Gabriel was just a month old.  He said Gabriel was fussing and Tammi came to help Elizabeth, and then cared for Gabriel the entire flight home. After that, they apparently kept in touch.

Despite reports that they wished to adopt Gabriel, the Smiths now say they have nothing to hide, and that they're doing all they can to reunited Gabriel with his father.

"We were actually just thinking of maybe just getting a dog," joked Tammi Smith.  "It seems to be a hard process adopting, and I don't know that we want to go through this again, unless the courts said, here's a baby and the parents both signed. That's different."

Both police officials and the Smiths say they believe Gabriel is alive.  Now the challenge is finding him. 

Tempe police are working with the FBI, taking tips from all over the country from anyone who may have spotted the baby.

Carbajal said Elizabeth left Arizona with Gabriel on December 18. There have been no signs of the boy since the day after Christmas.

Police did find Elizabeth in Florida last week and arrested her for failing to appear at her custodial hearing.

But Gabriel was not with her and detectives said she refused to tell them where he is.

"She was confronted, arrested and interviewed exhaustively about the whereabouts of the child," said Wayne Jones, with Miami Beach Police.

Earlier this week, the Smiths defended Gabriel and Elizabeth on national TV.

"She's completely innocent," said Tammi, speaking about Elizabeth. "She loves that baby, and just wants to find a good home for that baby. As a mother, I commend her."

Gabriel's father, Logan McQueary, said Elizabeth had been pushing him to sign adoption papers granting the Smiths custody of Gabriel.
 
McQueary also said that after the baby disappeared, Smith approached him with similar requests.

"When Gabriel disappeared, they said basically, 'if you really care about your son and you want him back, and you want Elizabeth to bring him back, that you'll sign the paperwork and then she'll bring him back to us, and you'll know he's safe,'" said McQueary. "I said, 'no, I'm not signing any paperwork.'"

McQueary was on several TV morning shows Thursday, pleading to the public to get his son back. 

"Please don't be afraid of getting into trouble, just drop him off at a fire station, help me get my son back," he said.

McQueary said he had previously received text messages from Gabriel's mother saying she had killed the child.

"She basically said, 'there's no way in Hell you're ever seeing your son again,'" he said.

"Is she saying these things to hurt the father or would she actually hurt her own baby?" said Carbajal. "We don't know yet. We're hoping the baby is in good condition and will be returned safely."

But McQueary says he believes Gabriel is still alive, considering he and Johnson were last seen at a park after McQueary received the threatening messages.

Elizabeth's twin brother, Robert Johnson, said he doesn't believe his sister's story, but also said he has to support her.

"She's stubborn and hard headed.  If she doesn't want Logan to have the baby, she will do everything she can to keep Gabriel from Logan." 

Anyone with information as to the whereabouts of Gabriel Johnson is urged to contact the Tempe Police Department at 480-350-8311 or Silent Witness at 480-WITNESS (480-948-6377).

http://www.abc15.com/content/news/southeastvalley/tempe/story/Persons-of-interest-named-in-missing-Tempe-baby/xgsbK2cK80iD5ZWBC0ifjg.cspx


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: cookie on January 08, 2010, 10:43:32 AM
snipped from article above:

"She's completely innocent," said Tammi, speaking about Elizabeth. "She loves that baby, and just wants to find a good home for that baby. As a mother, I commend her."

doesn't sound like she was much of a mother to her own kids...just sayin...

this Tammi is wacko...jmo...
maybe she is the mastermind behind all of this and Jack really doesn't know anything about it?


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: mymonkey on January 08, 2010, 10:43:41 AM
getting weirder and weirder!

The Smiths were not expecting Logan to go to the police about Gabe missing....they have said over and over neither parent cared for the baby ::MonkeyNoNo::I think we can put them in the same category as the balloon boys parents....their plan has backfired on them ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: cookie on January 08, 2010, 10:48:21 AM
getting weirder and weirder!

The Smiths were not expecting Logan to go to the police about Gabe missing....they have said over and over neither parent cared for the baby ::MonkeyNoNo::I think we can put them in the same category as the balloon boys parents....their plan has backfired on them ::MonkeyEek::

agreed! balloon boy's dad is back pedaling ::MonkeyBike:: now and blaming the sheriff and saying that it was not a hoax...yeah right...


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: theboyzmom on January 08, 2010, 10:49:14 AM
getting weirder and weirder!

The Smiths were not expecting Logan to go to the police about Gabe missing....they have said over and over neither parent cared for the baby ::MonkeyNoNo::I think we can put them in the same category as the balloon boys parents....their plan has backfired on them ::MonkeyEek::

I really think you are correct. They figured that a baby missing from a couple of deadbeat parents would be no problem. The problem arose when Dad turned out to want the kids - good father or not (since I really do not know him) he wants his kid. For that I do give him come credit.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: mymonkey on January 08, 2010, 10:49:43 AM
getting weirder and weirder!

The Smiths were not expecting Logan to go to the police about Gabe missing....they have said over and over neither parent cared for the baby ::MonkeyNoNo::I think we can put them in the same category as the balloon boys parents....their plan has backfired on them ::MonkeyEek::


To add to my post....why did Tammi say EJ loves Gabe then said in an article I read neither parent wants him.....she can not cover her own lies  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: cookie on January 08, 2010, 10:52:10 AM
getting weirder and weirder!

The Smiths were not expecting Logan to go to the police about Gabe missing....they have said over and over neither parent cared for the baby ::MonkeyNoNo::I think we can put them in the same category as the balloon boys parents....their plan has backfired on them ::MonkeyEek::


To add to my post....why did Tammi say EJ loves Gabe then said in an article I read neither parent wants him.....she can not cover her own lies  ::MonkeyNoNo::

no, she can't cover her own lies...I noticed that the first interview that I saw her in..plus I think that she is loving the attention that she is getting from all of this...jmo


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: mymonkey on January 08, 2010, 10:54:58 AM
my only ugly comment for the day ::MonkeyTongue::


Tammi has chit for brains....maybe she needs a longer hose for her blowout!!! ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 08, 2010, 10:55:59 AM
getting weirder and weirder!

The Smiths were not expecting Logan to go to the police about Gabe missing....they have said over and over neither parent cared for the baby ::MonkeyNoNo::I think we can put them in the same category as the balloon boys parents....their plan has backfired on them ::MonkeyEek::

IMO Logan not caving in to their strong arming, black mail and extortion was not planned for.  She probably thought that these two kids were easy picking and she would get her ultimate goal, a child.  She never suspected that Logan could undo her plans.  Her the business woman with life experiences, several businesses , how could a kid who has nothing and lives with his father derail her?  I suspect Tammi is used to getting whatever she wants by whatever means.  She was not planning on him being her nemesis.  She has a answer and explanation for everything and delivers it in a sweet Pollyanna demeanor regardless of how illogical her explanations are or whether her story changes by the minute.  She is either truly daft or is used to manipulation being her normal way of living that she is plain evil.  Not decided which side of the pendulum she falls into yet. 


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 08, 2010, 10:57:01 AM
my only ugly comment for the day ::MonkeyTongue::


Tammi has chit for brains....maybe she needs a longer hose for her blowout!!! ::MonkeyCool::
or  some Healing Waters  ::MonkeyRoll::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: mymonkey on January 08, 2010, 10:57:21 AM
getting weirder and weirder!

The Smiths were not expecting Logan to go to the police about Gabe missing....they have said over and over neither parent cared for the baby ::MonkeyNoNo::I think we can put them in the same category as the balloon boys parents....their plan has backfired on them ::MonkeyEek::


To add to my post....why did Tammi say EJ loves Gabe then said in an article I read neither parent wants him.....she can not cover her own lies  ::MonkeyNoNo::

no, she can't cover her own lies...I noticed that the first interview that I saw her in..plus I think that she is loving the attention that she is getting from all of this...jmo


I think LE is giving  her enough rope to hang  herself, as we discussed  yesterday there will be more to this than we are seeing now.   I also think Nancy  Grace is playing them along also to trip them up!


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: mymonkey on January 08, 2010, 10:59:16 AM
getting weirder and weirder!

The Smiths were not expecting Logan to go to the police about Gabe missing....they have said over and over neither parent cared for the baby ::MonkeyNoNo::I think we can put them in the same category as the balloon boys parents....their plan has backfired on them ::MonkeyEek::

IMO Logan not caving in to their strong arming, black mail and extortion was not planned for.  She probably thought that these two kids were easy picking and she would get her ultimate goal, a child.  She never suspected that Logan could undo her plans.  Her the business woman with life experiences, several businesses , how could a kid who has nothing and lives with his father derail her?  I suspect Tammi is used to getting whatever she wants by whatever means.  She was not planning on him being her nemesis.  She has a answer and explanation for everything and delivers it in a sweet Pollyanna demeanor regardless of how illogical her explanations are or whether her story changes by the minute.  She is either truly daft or is used to manipulation being her normal way of living that she is plain evil.  Not decided which side of the pendulum she falls into yet. 


The Lord works in mysterious  ways ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: no rose colored glasses on January 08, 2010, 11:00:08 AM
getting weirder and weirder!

The Smiths were not expecting Logan to go to the police about Gabe missing....they have said over and over neither parent cared for the baby ::MonkeyNoNo::I think we can put them in the same category as the balloon boys parents....their plan has backfired on them ::MonkeyEek::
Yes it has backfired, I've been kind of looking at this crazy woman Tammi as the Joy Wray of this case. Loves the attention and isn't right in the head.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: mymonkey on January 08, 2010, 11:00:10 AM
my only ugly comment for the day ::MonkeyTongue::


Tammi has chit for brains....maybe she needs a longer hose for her blowout!!! ::MonkeyCool::
or  some Healing Waters  ::MonkeyRoll::
::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: no rose colored glasses on January 08, 2010, 11:02:10 AM
The Smiths probably thought they could give Logan a few bucks and all would be okay.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: mymonkey on January 08, 2010, 11:02:44 AM
getting weirder and weirder!

The Smiths were not expecting Logan to go to the police about Gabe missing....they have said over and over neither parent cared for the baby ::MonkeyNoNo::I think we can put them in the same category as the balloon boys parents....their plan has backfired on them ::MonkeyEek::

IMO Logan not caving in to their strong arming, black mail and extortion was not planned for.  She probably thought that these two kids were easy picking and she would get her ultimate goal, a child.  She never suspected that Logan could undo her plans.  Her the business woman with life experiences, several businesses , how could a kid who has nothing and lives with his father derail her?  I suspect Tammi is used to getting whatever she wants by whatever means.  She was not planning on him being her nemesis.  She has a answer and explanation for everything and delivers it in a sweet Pollyanna demeanor regardless of how illogical her explanations are or whether her story changes by the minute.  She is either truly daft or is used to manipulation being her normal way of living that she is plain evil.  Not decided which side of the pendulum she falls into yet. 


The Lord works in mysterious  ways ::MonkeyAngel::


Meaning   I think she is evil and  a higher power is putting an end to it....jmo exposing her for who she really is. ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: mymonkey on January 08, 2010, 11:05:15 AM
The Smiths probably thought they could give Logan a few bucks and all would be okay.

EJ has such hatred for Logan I am sure she did not paint a pretty picture for them about him.

My conclusion is Tammi is one sick puppy. ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: darla on January 08, 2010, 11:07:41 AM
Good Morning Monkeys and Guest!


Did anyone ever dig up anything else on the two Cheryl's I posted yesterday? My hinkey meter is up on the Cheryl Cornell Torchia......She works with The Christ;s Church in the Valley and is a program director for teen parents. I just have a gut feeling that there is a baby brokering scheme going on.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: bananas on January 08, 2010, 11:10:13 AM
my only ugly comment for the day ::MonkeyTongue::


Tammi has chit for brains....maybe she needs a longer hose for her blowout!!! ::MonkeyCool::

ROFLMAO  ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 08, 2010, 11:11:25 AM
Today Show just did a small piece on this.  Here are some screen caps of court docs of EJ's violence , and the Smiths last night.  There was a new sound bite from Jack  " we are not the the evil here.  We are the ones making sure this investigation goes smoothly"



Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 08, 2010, 11:13:59 AM
Good Morning Monkeys and Guest!


Did anyone ever dig up anything else on the two Cheryl's I posted yesterday? My hinkey meter is up on the Cheryl Cornell Torchia......She works with The Christ;s Church in the Valley and is a program director for teen parents. I just have a gut feeling that there is a baby brokering scheme going on.

Have not had time yet.  She is on my list which is getting longer and longer....lol


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 08, 2010, 11:15:02 AM
Sorry forgot this one, Grandpa Bob outside his house. 


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: ScareyCarrie on January 08, 2010, 11:21:14 AM
(http://i475.photobucket.com/albums/rr118/catspjamas_/Coffee/fellowship_coffee.gif)

i figured you could use this Northern, you have been bustin some tooshy, thanks for all the updates....  ::MonkeyAngel::

This enema woman is manipulative, conniving, and just plain sadistic, preying on young, innocnet, down in their luck kind of people, just sick!


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Babybear on January 08, 2010, 11:24:41 AM
Good Morning Monkeys and Guest!


Did anyone ever dig up anything else on the two Cheryl's I posted yesterday? My hinkey meter is up on the Cheryl Cornell Torchia......She works with The Christ;s Church in the Valley and is a program director for teen parents. I just have a gut feeling that there is a baby brokering scheme going on.

Good Morning Darla  I think you're right.  This should be looked into.  Too much of a coincidence that this "Cheryl" works in the teen parent field and is on Tamifay's facebook as a friend.  I think there possibly is some baby brokering going on here and they might have been telling EJ that her baby would be protected from Logan, but they plan to place him permanently for some money.  A cute little baby like Gabriel would be worth a lot to desperate would-be parents.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: mymonkey on January 08, 2010, 11:25:01 AM
Good Morning Monkeys and Guest!


Did anyone ever dig up anything else on the two Cheryl's I posted yesterday? My hinkey meter is up on the Cheryl Cornell Torchia......She works with The Christ;s Church in the Valley and is a program director for teen parents. I just have a gut feeling that there is a baby brokering scheme going on.

Thats  where I am laying my bet....Baby Brokers......after Tammi said it would be easier to get a dog than adopt a baby....she made me feel as tho she is  very money hungry


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: mymonkey on January 08, 2010, 11:27:04 AM
(http://i475.photobucket.com/albums/rr118/catspjamas_/Coffee/fellowship_coffee.gif)

i figured you could use this Northern, you have been bustin some tooshy, thanks for all the updates....  ::MonkeyAngel::

This enema woman is manipulative, conniving, and just plain sadistic, preying on young, innocnet, down in their luck kind of people, just sick!


How sweet of you  Scarey ::MonkeyAngel::



Northern you are the best!!!!!!!!! ::HelloKitty::!


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 08, 2010, 11:28:52 AM

.... But IMO there is definitely more to this and the Smiths are involved.  I don't think it is a simple matter of EJ just wanting to take the baby and leave.  Nor do I believe she gave Gabriel to strangers she met in a park.  They might have been strangers, but IMO it was pre-arranged, probably by the Smiths.

You and I are on the same page in our speculating Babybear.

Janet

+++++

TAMMI AND JACK SMITH

NANCY GRACE
New Developments in Missing Baby Gabriel Case
Aired January 6, 2010 - 20:00:00   ET


UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Tammi says months went by then last month she received a call from Elizabeth.

T. SMITH: She finally called and said, are you ready to adopt him?

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: The two parties signed legal guardianship papers and Gabriel moved in with the Smiths.

JACK SMITH, PLANNED TO ADOPT BABY GABRIEL: We fell in love with him.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: But the baby`s dad wouldn`t sign guardianship or adoption papers. Still, Gabriel quickly became part of the Smith family, visiting Santa, playing with 4-year-old Hannah.

Then, December 18th, Elizabeth picked up her son to visit his father. Little did the Smiths know, the two were taking off to San Antonio.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1001/06/ng.01.html

 


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 08, 2010, 11:30:44 AM
Northern Rose

You are amazing.

 ::MonkeyAngel::

Janet


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: ScareyCarrie on January 08, 2010, 11:36:08 AM
(http://i475.photobucket.com/albums/rr118/catspjamas_/Coffee/fellowship_coffee.gif)

i figured you could use this Northern, you have been bustin some tooshy, thanks for all the updates....  ::MonkeyAngel::

This enema woman is manipulative, conniving, and just plain sadistic, preying on young, innocnet, down in their luck kind of people, just sick!


How sweet of you  Scarey ::MonkeyAngel::



Northern you are the best!!!!!!!!! ::HelloKitty::!

She truly is!!

And a very good morning and happy friday to you MyMonkey


I am very very very curious as to what there info/tips or whatever are that they are saying they believe Gabriel is still alive, i am happy of this but very curious what there source  or info is......


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 08, 2010, 11:38:00 AM
 ::MonkeyShovel::

Tammi and Jack Smith are digging themselves deeper into a hole with every interview.  I hope they keep talking.

Gabriel is coming home ... I just feel it.

Janet
8:35 AM PT


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: mymonkey on January 08, 2010, 11:38:41 AM
(http://i475.photobucket.com/albums/rr118/catspjamas_/Coffee/fellowship_coffee.gif)

i figured you could use this Northern, you have been bustin some tooshy, thanks for all the updates....  ::MonkeyAngel::

This enema woman is manipulative, conniving, and just plain sadistic, preying on young, innocnet, down in their luck kind of people, just sick!


How sweet of you  Scarey ::MonkeyAngel::



Northern you are the best!!!!!!!!! ::HelloKitty::!

She truly is!!

And a very good morning and happy friday to you MyMonkey


I am very very very curious as to what there info/tips or whatever are that they are saying they believe Gabriel is still alive, i am happy of this but very curious what there source  or info is......


I feel LE knows exactly what is going on but  wants Gabriel in protective care before they bust the Smith's  jmo


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: ScareyCarrie on January 08, 2010, 11:40:49 AM
::MonkeyShovel::

Tammi and Jack Smith are digging themselves deeper into a hole with every interview.  I hope they keep talking.

Gabriel is coming home ... I just feel it.

Janet
8:35 AM PT


I agree that woman (grrr) cannot for the life of her decide wth her story is and she has no problem not keeping it straight, its like to her it all makes sense or some dumb thing, i cant barely keep up with her versions and total opposite comments!!  :gaah:


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 08, 2010, 11:40:50 AM
(http://i475.photobucket.com/albums/rr118/catspjamas_/Coffee/fellowship_coffee.gif)

i figured you could use this Northern, you have been bustin some tooshy, thanks for all the updates....  ::MonkeyAngel::

This enema woman is manipulative, conniving, and just plain sadistic, preying on young, innocnet, down in their luck kind of people, just sick!

Thank you!  The info is coming pretty fast right now.  Surprising none of the Smiths friends have stood up and defended them yet  . 


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: mymonkey on January 08, 2010, 11:40:52 AM
ooops ::HelloKitty::I have terriable manners I forgot to say hello and GMM



Good Morning to you Scarey and all the other fine monkeys....yes TGIF! ::HelloKitty::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: no rose colored glasses on January 08, 2010, 11:41:46 AM
The Smiths probably thought they could give Logan a few bucks and all would be okay.

EJ has such hatred for Logan I am sure she did not paint a pretty picture for them about him.

My conclusion is Tammi is one sick puppy. ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyEek::
I couldn't agree more.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: darla on January 08, 2010, 11:43:31 AM
I finally talked with my friend in Tempe, AZ last night. She has a friend or two that are police officers. I passed on the names of the two Cheryl's I found and Tammi's myspace and Facebook. I also asked her to tell them that Tammi did some enema's on her Myspace pages yesterday and got rid of a lot of pictures. She said she would call me when she found out anything. She said locals are also concerned about the Smith's role in this. She said the Colonics are a big thing out there, and I told her that she was advertising for $25.00 special and said what they do is lure people in with the cheap price then try to tell them they need this, that, and whatever to help them between visits to the salons.
I also told her about the surrogate mother ads that Tammi was involved in.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: no rose colored glasses on January 08, 2010, 11:45:14 AM
::MonkeyShovel::

Tammi and Jack Smith are digging themselves deeper into a hole with every interview.  I hope they keep talking.

Gabriel is coming home ... I just feel it.

Janet
8:35 AM PT

They are, but if little Gabriel is alive somewhere with a couple why isn't Elizabeth not helping more, she was useless with the sketch artist, why in the world is she sitting in jail not being cooperative? That's why there is a part of me that has to wonder if she harmed him.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 08, 2010, 11:46:06 AM
I finally talked with my friend in Tempe, AZ last night. She has a friend or two that are police officers. I passed on the names of the two Cheryl's I found and Tammi's myspace and Facebook. I also asked her to tell them that Tammi did some enema's on her Myspace pages yesterday and got rid of a lot of pictures. She said she would call me when she found out anything. She said locals are also concerned about the Smith's role in this. She said the Colonics are a big thing out there, and I told her that she was advertising for $25.00 special and said what they do is lure people in with the cheap price then try to tell them they need this, that, and whatever to help them between visits to the salons.
I also told her about the surrogate mother ads that Tammi was involved in.

Thanks Darla.

 ::MonkeyAngel::

Janet


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: mymonkey on January 08, 2010, 11:46:29 AM
(http://i475.photobucket.com/albums/rr118/catspjamas_/Coffee/fellowship_coffee.gif)

i figured you could use this Northern, you have been bustin some tooshy, thanks for all the updates....  ::MonkeyAngel::

This enema woman is manipulative, conniving, and just plain sadistic, preying on young, innocnet, down in their luck kind of people, just sick!

Thank you!  The info is coming pretty fast right now.  Surprising none of the Smiths friends have stood up and defended them yet  . 




Maybe they don't have any friends....what would they talk about  the color and amount  of poop  they saw that day ::MonkeyEek:: not what one wants to hear over  dinner! ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 08, 2010, 11:46:47 AM
(http://i475.photobucket.com/albums/rr118/catspjamas_/Coffee/fellowship_coffee.gif)

i figured you could use this Northern, you have been bustin some tooshy, thanks for all the updates....  ::MonkeyAngel::

This enema woman is manipulative, conniving, and just plain sadistic, preying on young, innocnet, down in their luck kind of people, just sick!


How sweet of you  Scarey ::MonkeyAngel::



Northern you are the best!!!!!!!!! ::HelloKitty::!


Awww thanks   ::HelloKitty::

Here is a nice little nugget.  Tammi appears to not believe in the law.  Big surprise!  Page 7 at link

http://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cache:Xjnm7N6-LdAJ:health.state.tn.us/Downloads/Me_Min091807.pdf+tammi+smith+nashville+tn+healing+waters&hl=en&gl=us&pid=bl&srcid=ADGEESg8iblAaqxCS5xULKSWEtudLl65M5pcRqFIWlnbVfz4AQq_kW-TWup3BbzSegzyDvDGFF3hxpjoT1C5bPfmTMeNMMqVClFniq1Zj-KqNfFLebgwQg7-jqpNDbbGMsP2OnluVQ-A&sig=AHIEtbTJMW6Hgl6HRIVK-WQjWsz6YIYIzg




Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: no rose colored glasses on January 08, 2010, 11:47:02 AM
I finally talked with my friend in Tempe, AZ last night. She has a friend or two that are police officers. I passed on the names of the two Cheryl's I found and Tammi's myspace and Facebook. I also asked her to tell them that Tammi did some enema's on her Myspace pages yesterday and got rid of a lot of pictures. She said she would call me when she found out anything. She said locals are also concerned about the Smith's role in this. She said the Colonics are a big thing out there, and I told her that she was advertising for $25.00 special and said what they do is lure people in with the cheap price then try to tell them they need this, that, and whatever to help them between visits to the salons.
I also told her about the surrogate mother ads that Tammi was involved in.
Thanks a lot Darla  ::MonkeyAngel:: So they reel you in for an enema and then say you need this and that, hate to know what else one would need  ::MonkeyShocked::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 08, 2010, 11:48:14 AM
Northern Rose

You are amazing.

 ::MonkeyAngel::

Janet

Good morning Janet  ::HelloKitty::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: no rose colored glasses on January 08, 2010, 11:49:02 AM
(http://i475.photobucket.com/albums/rr118/catspjamas_/Coffee/fellowship_coffee.gif)

i figured you could use this Northern, you have been bustin some tooshy, thanks for all the updates....  ::MonkeyAngel::

This enema woman is manipulative, conniving, and just plain sadistic, preying on young, innocnet, down in their luck kind of people, just sick!

Thank you!  The info is coming pretty fast right now.  Surprising none of the Smiths friends have stood up and defended them yet  . 




Maybe they don't have any friends....what would they talk about  the color and amount  of poop  they saw that day ::MonkeyEek:: not what one wants to hear over  dinner! ::MonkeyCool::
  ::MonkeyEek:: I just spit my coffee out on that  ::MonkeyDevil:: Maybe they don't have any friends, Tammi looks crazy to me  ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: mymonkey on January 08, 2010, 11:49:18 AM
I finally talked with my friend in Tempe, AZ last night. She has a friend or two that are police officers. I passed on the names of the two Cheryl's I found and Tammi's myspace and Facebook. I also asked her to tell them that Tammi did some enema's on her Myspace pages yesterday and got rid of a lot of pictures. She said she would call me when she found out anything. She said locals are also concerned about the Smith's role in this. She said the Colonics are a big thing out there, and I told her that she was advertising for $25.00 special and said what they do is lure people in with the cheap price then try to tell them they need this, that, and whatever to help them between visits to the salons.
I also told her about the surrogate mother ads that Tammi was involved in.

Thanks Darla.

 ::MonkeyAngel::

Janet



 ::MonkeyAngel::Thanks Darla


I have heard that people become  addicted to these  colon flushes or I should  the body becomes dependent.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: darla on January 08, 2010, 11:50:39 AM
Friend said that most of the Colonic clinics are inside of spas, and they offer all kinds of services. She said the big thing with the colonic is to lose weight. I think I had rather be fat than have an enema everyday.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: no rose colored glasses on January 08, 2010, 11:51:59 AM
Thanks Northern shady bunch from those documents  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: no rose colored glasses on January 08, 2010, 11:52:45 AM
Friend said that most of the Colonic clinics are inside of spas, and they offer all kinds of services. She said the big thing with the colonic is to lose weight. I think I had rather be fat than have an enema everyday.
Me too, especially if crazy Tammi was doing the enema  ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 08, 2010, 11:53:34 AM
I finally talked with my friend in Tempe, AZ last night. She has a friend or two that are police officers. I passed on the names of the two Cheryl's I found and Tammi's myspace and Facebook. I also asked her to tell them that Tammi did some enema's on her Myspace pages yesterday and got rid of a lot of pictures. She said she would call me when she found out anything. She said locals are also concerned about the Smith's role in this. She said the Colonics are a big thing out there, and I told her that she was advertising for $25.00 special and said what they do is lure people in with the cheap price then try to tell them they need this, that, and whatever to help them between visits to the salons.
I also told her about the surrogate mother ads that Tammi was involved in.

That is great!  This one from her FB might be interesting to them as well.



Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: mymonkey on January 08, 2010, 11:54:02 AM
(http://i475.photobucket.com/albums/rr118/catspjamas_/Coffee/fellowship_coffee.gif)

i figured you could use this Northern, you have been bustin some tooshy, thanks for all the updates....  ::MonkeyAngel::

This enema woman is manipulative, conniving, and just plain sadistic, preying on young, innocnet, down in their luck kind of people, just sick!


How sweet of you  Scarey ::MonkeyAngel::



Northern you are the best!!!!!!!!! ::HelloKitty::!


Awww thanks   ::HelloKitty::

Here is a nice little nugget.  Tammi appears to not believe in the law.  Big surprise!  Page 7 at link

http://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cache:Xjnm7N6-LdAJ:health.state.tn.us/Downloads/Me_Min091807.pdf+tammi+smith+nashville+tn+healing+waters&hl=en&gl=us&pid=bl&srcid=ADGEESg8iblAaqxCS5xULKSWEtudLl65M5pcRqFIWlnbVfz4AQq_kW-TWup3BbzSegzyDvDGFF3hxpjoT1C5bPfmTMeNMMqVClFniq1Zj-KqNfFLebgwQg7-jqpNDbbGMsP2OnluVQ-A&sig=AHIEtbTJMW6Hgl6HRIVK-WQjWsz6YIYIzg




I can  vision a big" CLOSED "sign  going up at her place of business....LE has just begun flushing the Smiths out.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: mymonkey on January 08, 2010, 12:04:26 PM
Friend said that most of the Colonic clinics are inside of spas, and they offer all kinds of services. She said the big thing with the colonic is to lose weight. I think I had rather be fat than have an enema everyday.
Me too, especially if crazy Tammi was doing the enema  ::MonkeyEek::


I saw Carman Electra  on a reality show before she  got married she had a flush and she wanted to be cleaned out for her wedding day....I know I posted that yesterday ::MonkeyCool:: but it showed her at the spa  in a reclined  chair with a sink  beside her and a long hose running  from her rear into a drain   .......well you know the rest of the story....needless to say  Carman did not stay married long I forgot the guys name she married ...Dave I think was his name he was a rock star, Now thats what I call Reality TV



Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: no rose colored glasses on January 08, 2010, 12:07:45 PM
Friend said that most of the Colonic clinics are inside of spas, and they offer all kinds of services. She said the big thing with the colonic is to lose weight. I think I had rather be fat than have an enema everyday.
Me too, especially if crazy Tammi was doing the enema  ::MonkeyEek::


I saw Carman Electra  on a reality show before she  got married she had a flush and she wanted to be cleaned out for her wedding day....I know I posted that yesterday ::MonkeyCool:: but it showed her at the spa  in a reclined  chair with a sink  beside her and a long hose running  from her rear into a drain   .......well you know the rest of the story....needless to say  Carman did not stay married long I forgot the guys name she married ...Dave I think was his name he was a rock star, Now thats what I call Reality TV


And Janet Jackson gets coffee enemas  ::MonkeyEek:: Must be big money in this, I don't buy it at all, never have had a doctor tell me to do this, ever.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: ScareyCarrie on January 08, 2010, 12:11:18 PM
I must admit i am a little suprised that more victims, if you will, have not come out of the wood work...

Maybe they are scared, or think that she duped them and they have no leagal rights... or maybe Gabriel and EJ were the first, which i doubt with as much "knowledge" and the extremes this womans seems to be capable of.

I just thought we by now, would have heard a few, she did this to me, with my baby, but also may fear if they accepted money inexchange for their baby(s) they would face criminal charges...trafficking and such...

i do not recall, has it been said if the adoption of Hannah, their GD was leagal, and thru the system or just fake written made up docs??

just thoughts, i may be way off


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: ScareyCarrie on January 08, 2010, 12:13:31 PM
Friend said that most of the Colonic clinics are inside of spas, and they offer all kinds of services. She said the big thing with the colonic is to lose weight. I think I had rather be fat than have an enema everyday.
Me too, especially if crazy Tammi was doing the enema  ::MonkeyEek::


I saw Carman Electra  on a reality show before she  got married she had a flush and she wanted to be cleaned out for her wedding day....I know I posted that yesterday ::MonkeyCool:: but it showed her at the spa  in a reclined  chair with a sink  beside her and a long hose running  from her rear into a drain   .......well you know the rest of the story....needless to say  Carman did not stay married long I forgot the guys name she married ...Dave I think was his name he was a rock star, Now thats what I call Reality TV



They did a live colonic on the Tyra show last month or so

i choose not to pay for cable, one of the few channels i get, and she is on when i get home...

i generally listen to music tho, she does some weird shows sometimes, and some intersting ones too


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 08, 2010, 12:15:04 PM
I must admit i am a little suprised that more victims, if you will, have not come out of the wood work...

Maybe they are scared, or think that she duped them and they have no leagal rights... or maybe Gabriel and EJ were the first, which i doubt with as much "knowledge" and the extremes this womans seems to be capable of.

I just thought we by now, would have heard a few, she did this to me, with my baby, but also may fear if they accepted money inexchange for their baby(s) they would face criminal charges...trafficking and such...

i do not recall, has it been said if the adoption of Hannah, their GD was leagal, and thru the system or just fake written made up docs??

just thoughts, i may be way off

Hannah's father came forward last night.  It was posted a few pages back you have to go read it.  Same situation, strong armed he has been fighting ever since to get visitation and custody back.  Only difference is he is related to Jack.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 08, 2010, 12:19:18 PM
::MonkeyShovel::

Tammi and Jack Smith are digging themselves deeper into a hole with every interview.  I hope they keep talking.

Gabriel is coming home ... I just feel it.

Janet
8:35 AM PT

They are, but if little Gabriel is alive somewhere with a couple why isn't Elizabeth not helping more, she was useless with the sketch artist, why in the world is she sitting in jail not being cooperative? That's why there is a part of me that has to wonder if she harmed him.

I do not know no rose colored glasses.

Think about it.  Elizabeth had a terrible upbringing ... broken home ... one foster home after another ... no stability ... no family support.

1.  Could it be that Elizabeth saw the writing on the wall in regards to the pattern being repeated for Gabrial and felt helpless as his mother to prevent it?

2.  Could it be that Elizabeth made the decision the her son deserved so much more?

3.  Considering Logan's refusal to agree to an adoption ... could this be why Elizabeth is not revealing the happenings encompassing her missing son?

4.  Could it be that the Smiths have convinced Elizabeth that Gabriel's well-being is where it is at?

Just speculating.

Janet

+++++++++

NANCY GRACE
New Developments in Missing Baby Gabriel Case
Aired January 6, 2010 - 20:00:00   ET


T. SMITH: You know, to be honest with you, she sounded a little bit cheery. Whenever she was dealing with the whole custody issue, she was not cheery, she was very depressed and distraught. It seems as though she seemed happier and safer being in jail than she did out of jail and going through this whole custody issue.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: The Smiths believe the baby is safe and that his mother, now behind bars, will never say where.

T. SMITH: She loved that baby enough that I believe, I believe, that she would probably stay in jail the rest of her life to make sure he was safe from the person that she wants to keep him from.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1001/06/ng.01.html



Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: darla on January 08, 2010, 12:20:41 PM
I finally talked with my friend in Tempe, AZ last night. She has a friend or two that are police officers. I passed on the names of the two Cheryl's I found and Tammi's myspace and Facebook. I also asked her to tell them that Tammi did some enema's on her Myspace pages yesterday and got rid of a lot of pictures. She said she would call me when she found out anything. She said locals are also concerned about the Smith's role in this. She said the Colonics are a big thing out there, and I told her that she was advertising for $25.00 special and said what they do is lure people in with the cheap price then try to tell them they need this, that, and whatever to help them between visits to the salons.
I also told her about the surrogate mother ads that Tammi was involved in.

That is great!  This one from her FB might be interesting to them as well.






I will pass it on Northern Thanks!



























































Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 08, 2010, 12:21:17 PM
GMA clip from this morning 3rd row down.

Highlights - In Dec EJ file a report in early Dec that Gabriel was missing ( we knew this) .  After investigations searched for Gabriel for 8 hours they found he was safe with Tammi and Jack . (which we suspected but is now confirmed)

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: MuffyBee on January 08, 2010, 12:21:32 PM
When colonics were mentioned, I had remembered reading Princess Diana was "a fan of colonic hydrotherapy.    There's lots of links to her and colonics...

http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1G1-156808182.html

http://www.salon.com/health/feature/1999/07/14/colonics/print.html

http://www.koyfmancenter.com/articles.htm

http://www.thefreelibrary.com/Colon+hydrotherapy:+will+it+benefit+you%3F+Princess+Diana+was+an+...-a0156808182

http://www.answers.com/topic/colonic-irrigation-4

and etc....


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: ScareyCarrie on January 08, 2010, 12:22:35 PM
I must admit i am a little suprised that more victims, if you will, have not come out of the wood work...

Maybe they are scared, or think that she duped them and they have no leagal rights... or maybe Gabriel and EJ were the first, which i doubt with as much "knowledge" and the extremes this womans seems to be capable of.

I just thought we by now, would have heard a few, she did this to me, with my baby, but also may fear if they accepted money inexchange for their baby(s) they would face criminal charges...trafficking and such...

i do not recall, has it been said if the adoption of Hannah, their GD was leagal, and thru the system or just fake written made up docs??

just thoughts, i may be way off

Hannah's father came forward last night.  It was posted a few pages back you have to go read it.  Same situation, strong armed he has been fighting ever since to get visitation and custody back.  Only difference is he is related to Jack.

Yeah i read that this morning, i will have to go look again, i just wasnt sure because with EJ and Logan they had non court ordered adoption papers, i swear that cant be legal, so i was just wondering if they did the same with Hannah or if it was an "actual adoption" there has to be some illegal means to the way they are going about these adoptions, has me wondering if it will be easy for hanna's dad to get her back if they werent official papers, and if they could be charged or anything


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 08, 2010, 12:24:21 PM

I can  vision a big" CLOSED "sign  going up at her place of business....LE has just begun flushing the Smiths out.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: no rose colored glasses on January 08, 2010, 12:27:43 PM
GMA clip from this morning 3rd row down.

Highlights - In Dec EJ file a report in early Dec that Gabriel was missing ( we knew this) .  After investigations searched for Gabriel for 8 hours they found he was safe with Tammi and Jack . (which we suspected but is now confirmed)

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/
  ::MonkeyNoNo:: Tammi and Jack are dangerous people imo.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: ScareyCarrie on January 08, 2010, 12:27:58 PM
ok i went back and re-read and it says the Smiths were awarded legal custody of Hannah


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: no rose colored glasses on January 08, 2010, 12:28:30 PM
Thanks Muffy  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 08, 2010, 12:30:11 PM

This enema woman is manipulative, conniving, and just plain sadistic, preying on young, innocnet, down in their luck kind of people, just sick!

My thoughts exactly.

Janet


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 08, 2010, 12:36:30 PM
When I looked up Tammi in Veromi that is nothing that indicates TX. 

NASHVILLE, TN
CHALMETTE, LA
PHOENIX, AZ
ARABI, LA
ANTIOCH, TN
GOODLETTSVILLE, TN
SCOTTSDALE, AZ
MERAUX, LA

http://www.veromi.net/Summary.asp?fn=tammi&mn=&ln=facio&dobmm=&dobdd=&doby=&city=&state=LA&age=&vw=&Search=&Input=&x=44&y=7

Jack comes up all over TN

NASHVILLE, TN
LEBANON, TN
OLD HICKORY, TN
NOLENSVILLE, TN
MURFREESBORO, TN
MOUNT JULIET, TN

http://www.veromi.net/Summary.asp?fn=jack&mn=d&ln=smith&dobmm=&dobdd=&doby=&city=&state=&age=57&vw=&Search=&Input=&x=53&y=8


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: darla on January 08, 2010, 12:39:16 PM
I'll catch up with you guys a little later. Real life duties call. A couple that I went to school with and have known all my life died in a house fire in the early morning hours of Thursday morning. Please keep the Phillips and Little families in your prayers. I am making some food to take for the families. And also pray for the Privitt Family as their son died in a car accident last night.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 08, 2010, 12:39:58 PM
ok i went back and re-read and it says the Smiths were awarded legal custody of Hannah

To me it seemed too easy for them as the father was in jail for the assault charge so why not go to court when they know no one else will show up?  You know I am really wondering if the false disappearance of Gabriel in Dec that EJ reported was a plan hatched up by someone else so that Logan would be in jail and the papers would be a non-issue?  History repeats itself so to speak.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 08, 2010, 12:41:14 PM
I'll catch up with you guys a little later. Real life duties call. A couple that I went to school with and have known all my life died in a house fire in the early morning hours of Thursday morning. Please keep the Phillips and Little families in your prayers. I am making some food to take for the families. And also pray for the Privitt Family as their son died in a car accident last night.

Darla my thoughts go out to the families and I will keep them and you in my prayers.   ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 08, 2010, 12:42:08 PM
When colonics were mentioned, I had remembered reading Princess Diana was "a fan of colonic hydrotherapy.    There's lots of links to her and colonics...

http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1G1-156808182.html

http://www.salon.com/health/feature/1999/07/14/colonics/print.html

http://www.koyfmancenter.com/articles.htm

http://www.thefreelibrary.com/Colon+hydrotherapy:+will+it+benefit+you%3F+Princess+Diana+was+an+...-a0156808182

http://www.answers.com/topic/colonic-irrigation-4

and etc....

don't know what to say   ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 08, 2010, 12:43:22 PM
I'll catch up with you guys a little later. Real life duties call. A couple that I went to school with and have known all my life died in a house fire in the early morning hours of Thursday morning. Please keep the Phillips and Little families in your prayers. I am making some food to take for the families. And also pray for the Privitt Family as their son died in a car accident last night.

 ::MonkeyAngel::

Janet



Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: ScareyCarrie on January 08, 2010, 12:44:25 PM
ok i went back and re-read and it says the Smiths were awarded legal custody of Hannah

To me it seemed too easy for them as the father was in jail for the assault charge so why not go to court when they know no one else will show up?  You know I am really wondering if the false disappearance of Gabriel in Dec that EJ reported was a plan hatched up by someone else so that Logan would be in jail and the papers would be a non-issue?  History repeats itself so to speak.


i see what your saying, was he still on probation? maybe she was trying to get him thrown back in jail for kidnapping.... dont know if his probation time and this event coincide just a thought


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: no rose colored glasses on January 08, 2010, 12:46:45 PM
I'll catch up with you guys a little later. Real life duties call. A couple that I went to school with and have known all my life died in a house fire in the early morning hours of Thursday morning. Please keep the Phillips and Little families in your prayers. I am making some food to take for the families. And also pray for the Privitt Family as their son died in a car accident last night.
My thoughts and prayers for the Phillips and Privitt families  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: ScareyCarrie on January 08, 2010, 12:46:50 PM
in the postings of emena lady, was it ever mentioned what town or part of mexico she was going to and from???


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 08, 2010, 12:48:08 PM
Search for Baby Gabriel widens; mother in custody (video)

http://www.necn.com/Boston/Nation/2010/01/08/Search-for-Baby-Gabriel/1262957605.html


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Gizzie on January 08, 2010, 12:48:15 PM
I finally talked with my friend in Tempe, AZ last night. She has a friend or two that are police officers. I passed on the names of the two Cheryl's I found and Tammi's myspace and Facebook. I also asked her to tell them that Tammi did some enema's on her Myspace pages yesterday and got rid of a lot of pictures. She said she would call me when she found out anything. She said locals are also concerned about the Smith's role in this. She said the Colonics are a big thing out there, and I told her that she was advertising for $25.00 special and said what they do is lure people in with the cheap price then try to tell them they need this, that, and whatever to help them between visits to the salons.
I also told her about the surrogate mother ads that Tammi was involved in.

That is great!  This one from her FB might be interesting to them as well.



Just by this FB comment, seems that the Smith's do in fact know where Gabriel is. TS knew on Dec23rd that EJ had found some underground help and was "on the road". The Smith's know.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Gizzie on January 08, 2010, 12:49:30 PM
I'll catch up with you guys a little later. Real life duties call. A couple that I went to school with and have known all my life died in a house fire in the early morning hours of Thursday morning. Please keep the Phillips and Little families in your prayers. I am making some food to take for the families. And also pray for the Privitt Family as their son died in a car accident last night.

 ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 08, 2010, 12:49:52 PM
in the postings of emena lady, was it ever mentioned what town or part of mexico she was going to and from???

Nothing.  Just Mexico.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: ScareyCarrie on January 08, 2010, 12:57:48 PM
Gabriel could be anywhere, any state, or country...

this is just crazy!!! i dont recall following a story of a missing child that has been so all over the place


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: leslee on January 08, 2010, 12:58:51 PM
I'll catch up with you guys a little later. Real life duties call. A couple that I went to school with and have known all my life died in a house fire in the early morning hours of Thursday morning. Please keep the Phillips and Little families in your prayers. I am making some food to take for the families. And also pray for the Privitt Family as their son died in a car accident last night.

Sorry to hear that Darla. Thoughts and prayers to you and their familys.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Mere on January 08, 2010, 01:03:24 PM
When colonics were mentioned, I had remembered reading Princess Diana was "a fan of colonic hydrotherapy.    There's lots of links to her and colonics...

http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1G1-156808182.html

http://www.salon.com/health/feature/1999/07/14/colonics/print.html

http://www.koyfmancenter.com/articles.htm

http://www.thefreelibrary.com/Colon+hydrotherapy:+will+it+benefit+you%3F+Princess+Diana+was+an+...-a0156808182

http://www.answers.com/topic/colonic-irrigation-4

and etc....

don't know what to say   ::MonkeyEek::

All I think of is e.coli all over those spa walls...!


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: seahorse on January 08, 2010, 01:10:17 PM
Hi Monkey's,

There are two things that don't sit well for me about Mrs. Smith:

When she was twittering her thumbs answering N.G. questions, and when she kept saying she is "brain storming"

trying to figure out to Gabriel's whereabouts. JMO-Mrs. S. seems uncomfortable anwswering certain questions,

a feeling of deception is what I percieve.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Mere on January 08, 2010, 01:11:31 PM
Northern Rose....thanks to you and everyone who has brought information to this thread.

If Gabriel was turned over to an underground organization, I doubt that they would come
forward and identify themselves.

If he was turned over to prospective parents, by way of a baby broker group, there may be a better chance that either the couple or someone who knows them, will speak up.

It is disturbing to think that he could be anywhere in the world.  Prayers for this child.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 08, 2010, 01:12:30 PM
Looks like the Colon cleaning business may not be all it is cracked up to be

April 28, 2008 Sale agreement - Buyers Jackie Don Smith and Tammi Fay Peters Smith

May 14, 2009 Deed in Lieu of Forefeiture





Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 08, 2010, 01:19:40 PM
I am hoping that Elizabeth's warped but sincere sense of love dictates that Gabriel is safe.  I pray that whoever has this baby will come forward.

I am not condoning Elizabeth's actions but ... my heart breaks that somebody ... without selfish motives ... did not come into this young lady's life ... sombodey who could convince her that she had the ability ... with guidance ... to provide the stable environment she desired for her son ... the stable environment that she was denied.

Janet

+++++


Update: Family member says mom of missing baby wanted him in stable home
Last Update: 8:44 am 


SAN ANTONIO -- The mother of a missing baby is reportedly working with the F.B.I. on a sketch of the couple she allegedly gave the child to in San Antonio.

Elizabeth Johnson remains in a Florida jail. She told authorities she gave her 8-month-old son Gabriel to a couple she met with at Raymond Russell Park.

Gabriel's great-grandfather says Elizabeth did not want to be a mother but wanted her baby to be in a stable home.

"She didn't want him to be brought up in a life like she had, where she was in 5 foster homes," explained Robert Johnson.

The F.B.I., San Antonio Police and officers from Arizona are all involved in the search for Gabriel Johnson. They are hoping to take Elizabeth Johnson back to Arizona next week.

http://www.woai.com/mostpopular/story/Update-Family-member-says-mom-of-missing-baby/1gW7IWXbyk-ZzYrCnWVD1g.cspx


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: seahorse on January 08, 2010, 01:23:15 PM
(http://i475.photobucket.com/albums/rr118/catspjamas_/Coffee/fellowship_coffee.gif)

i figured you could use this Northern, you have been bustin some tooshy, thanks for all the updates....  ::MonkeyAngel::

This enema woman is manipulative, conniving, and just plain sadistic, preying on young, innocnet, down in their luck kind of people, just sick!


How sweet of you  Scarey ::MonkeyAngel::



Northern you are the best!!!!!!!!! ::HelloKitty::!


Awww thanks   ::HelloKitty::

Here is a nice little nugget.  Tammi appears to not believe in the law.  Big surprise!  Page 7 at link

http://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cache:Xjnm7N6-LdAJ:health.state.tn.us/Downloads/Me_Min091807.pdf+tammi+smith+nashville+tn+healing+waters&hl=en&gl=us&pid=bl&srcid=ADGEESg8iblAaqxCS5xULKSWEtudLl65M5pcRqFIWlnbVfz4AQq_kW-TWup3BbzSegzyDvDGFF3hxpjoT1C5bPfmTMeNMMqVClFniq1Zj-KqNfFLebgwQg7-jqpNDbbGMsP2OnluVQ-A&sig=AHIEtbTJMW6Hgl6HRIVK-WQjWsz6YIYIzg




I can  vision a big" CLOSED "sign  going up at her place of business....LE has just begun flushing the Smiths out.


Good pun!  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 08, 2010, 01:33:00 PM
ok i went back and re-read and it says the Smiths were awarded legal custody of Hannah

To me it seemed too easy for them as the father was in jail for the assault charge so why not go to court when they know no one else will show up?  You know I am really wondering if the false disappearance of Gabriel in Dec that EJ reported was a plan hatched up by someone else so that Logan would be in jail and the papers would be a non-issue?  History repeats itself so to speak.


i see what your saying, was he still on probation? maybe she was trying to get him thrown back in jail for kidnapping.... dont know if his probation time and this event coincide just a thought

Took me a while to find the answer to your probation question.  He was on probation from 12/21/2005 - 07/21/2009

Case  CR2004023070

http://www.courtminutes.maricopa.gov/JOnamesearch.asp


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 08, 2010, 02:09:21 PM
Last night on NG Tammi was going through a long story about how they tried to meet Logan and his father after the custody hearing in Court in Dec and Logan just left never did meet them.  Tammi said EJ had sole custody of Gabriel and NG corrected Tammi saying it was joint and said they have the court docs to prove it.  It sent off my hinky meter so while digging through court records this morning I found them. 

Case Number FC2009007470
Was filed by Logan not Elizabeth and it was to prove paternity not custody.  Logan has been fighting to be Gabriel's father.  Once paternity was proved the court ordered joint custody until the next court date. 

Does anyone know what a Motion for Pre-Decree Temporary Order without Notice for Child Custody is?  That was filed Dec 14 and this Paternity Judgement seems to be filed as a result. 

I wish Jess was here to explain some of this! 



Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 08, 2010, 02:16:15 PM
NG transcript from last night

<snipped>

GRACE: Right. To Jack and Tammi Smith, when did you guys try to get the father to agree and learn that he was not part of this. I believe she represented you at the beginning that he was OK with it?

J. SMITH: She represented in the very beginning that he was back and forth.

GRACE: Yes.

J. SMITH: Back and forth with that. And so he did not have -- we asked to speak with him. He did not have a cell phone at that time. I think he`s living with his father. We couldn`t get a hold of him so that`s when we took the...

T. SMITH: We were supposed to meet up with him and the father at court. When we went to court that day, it was all settled and set up for us to go have lunch together. And go to the park and have them spend time with the baby and discuss it all.

But when Elizabeth won custody, they just walked past us and left and they didn`t -- they didn`t come back and we waited for about 40 minutes and they didn`t come back.

GRACE: Now, it`s my understanding, Elizabeth never had formal custody.

T. SMITH: She did. She had -- she had the custody -- physical custody. And then when she went to court, when he was.

GRACE: Let me rephrase. It`s my understanding she had shared custody with the father. They had shared custody.

T. SMITH: No.

GRACE: That he would get to visit. No?

T. SMITH: You`ll have to look at the documents, but I can tell you that she had physical custody and then when they went to court, he was trying to get custody.

J. SMITH: Sure.

T. SMITH: And the judge gave her custody and said that he could have a visit.

GRACE: OK, hold on.

T. SMITH: That`s all I know.

GRACE: Matt Zarrell, you`ve got the documents, I`ve got the documents. What do they say and give it to me in a nutshell, Matt.

MATT ZARRELL, NANCY GRACE STAFFER, COVERING STORY: Mom and dad had shared custody. They had split the week. Mom took her for -- mom took Gabriel for a couple of days, dad took the baby for a couple of days.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1001/07/ng.01.html


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 08, 2010, 02:23:43 PM
Jacks myspace

http://www.myspace.com/jackiedonsmith


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 08, 2010, 02:29:46 PM
Our Reporter Answers Your Questions About Missing Baby Case

The case of missing 8-month-old Gabriel Johnson has taken many twists and turns. We want to do our best to answer all the questions you have about this ever-changing story. Please submit your questions and we’ll do our best to answer some of them on CBS 5 News at 5:30 p.m.

(Online form)

http://www.kpho.com/news/22184409/detail.html


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Monkey with Class on January 08, 2010, 02:50:15 PM
Does anyone know if Elizabeth was familiar with what Casey Anthony has done?


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: no rose colored glasses on January 08, 2010, 02:51:46 PM
Does anyone know if Elizabeth was familiar with what Casey Anthony has done?
Oh, I bet she is.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 08, 2010, 02:52:09 PM
Today show from this morning

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/34767369#34767369


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 08, 2010, 02:54:52 PM
Does anyone know if Elizabeth was familiar with what Casey Anthony has done?

Her grandfather had said she was very internet wise, and I believe the PD on NG grace said something similar.  Yesterday one of the reports said she may be trying to cover her tracks on the net. 

Are you thinking she heading to Miami to get ahold of Baez or share a bag of cheesie puffs with Casey to get some tips or copycat?


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: ScareyCarrie on January 08, 2010, 02:56:55 PM
ok i went back and re-read and it says the Smiths were awarded legal custody of Hannah

To me it seemed too easy for them as the father was in jail for the assault charge so why not go to court when they know no one else will show up?  You know I am really wondering if the false disappearance of Gabriel in Dec that EJ reported was a plan hatched up by someone else so that Logan would be in jail and the papers would be a non-issue?  History repeats itself so to speak.


i see what your saying, was he still on probation? maybe she was trying to get him thrown back in jail for kidnapping.... dont know if his probation time and this event coincide just a thought

Took me a while to find the answer to your probation question.  He was on probation from 12/21/2005 - 07/21/2009

Case  CR2004023070

http://www.courtminutes.maricopa.gov/JOnamesearch.asp


Thank you  ::MonkeyKiss::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Monkey with Class on January 08, 2010, 03:06:52 PM
Does anyone know if Elizabeth was familiar with what Casey Anthony has done?

Her grandfather had said she was very internet wise, and I believe the PD on NG grace said something similar.  Yesterday one of the reports said she may be trying to cover her tracks on the net. 

Are you thinking she heading to Miami to get ahold of Baez or share a bag of cheesie puffs with Casey to get some tips or copycat?

They say this Elizabeth has some knowledge.  I would think copycat.  Looking for Baez would be someone that does not have knowledge.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 08, 2010, 03:09:21 PM
Does anyone know if Elizabeth was familiar with what Casey Anthony has done?

Her grandfather had said she was very internet wise, and I believe the PD on NG grace said something similar.  Yesterday one of the reports said she may be trying to cover her tracks on the net. 

Are you thinking she heading to Miami to get ahold of Baez or share a bag of cheesie puffs with Casey to get some tips or copycat?

They say this Elizabeth has some knowledge.  I would think copycat.  Looking for Baez would be someone that does not have knowledge.

That was a good laugh that I needed!   ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Monkey with Class on January 08, 2010, 03:19:16 PM
Yep, as you gave me one with mentioning looking for Baez.  But in seriousness.....  I am hoping Gab is safe and will be found soon.   I would hate to see another child harmed.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 08, 2010, 03:20:56 PM
The new house is only in Tammi's name. 

http://www.maricopa.gov/Assessor/GIS/Map.html



Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: theboyzmom on January 08, 2010, 03:24:26 PM
Northern - the order that you posted is a standard order that is entered to be followed until a trial. It is normally entered after a father files for paternity to be determined. The interesting thing in it is that it showed that mom was on public assistance. Wonder what the file on that shows.  The order certainly does not show that mom has custody as NG and the Smiths tried to say. Rather it says that they have joint custody with a rotating physical custody set up.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 08, 2010, 03:24:48 PM
Yep, as you gave me one with mentioning looking for Baez.  But in seriousness.....  I am hoping Gab is safe and will be found soon.   I would hate to see another child harmed.

Police keep saying they have indications that he is and I am praying they find him very soon.  I want to come to this board and see that he has been found!


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 08, 2010, 03:28:48 PM
Northern - the order that you posted is a standard order that is entered to be followed until a trial. It is normally entered after a father files for paternity to be determined. The interesting thing in it is that it showed that mom was on public assistance. Wonder what the file on that shows.  The order certainly does not show that mom has custody as NG and the Smiths tried to say. Rather it says that they have joint custody with a rotating physical custody set up.

Is it normal that a father would have to prove paternity or is this only the case if the mother claims that he is not the father or has not listed him on the child's birth cert?  Can you please also explain what the  Motion for Pre-Decree Temporary Order without Notice for Child Custody is?  That was filed Dec 14 and this Paternity Judgement seems to be filed as a result.   ::MonkeyKiss::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 08, 2010, 03:34:15 PM
Police Ask for Public’s Help in Locating Missing Arizona Baby

Phoenix, AZ—The investigation into the disapearance of ‘Baby Gabriel’ is widening…police in Arizona are now calling a couple who wanted to adopt the baby…persons of interest.

Sgt. Steve Carbajal, Tempe (Arizona) Police Department: “There’s information that they might not be telling us everything.“

Jack and Terri Smith say that while they were likely the last people to see him, they do not know his whereabouts, and are ready and willing to cooperate with police.

Jack Smith, person of interest: “There’s an enormous about of peace in the truth, and we’ve been truthful.“

The mother…now in custody…has offered few clues to help find him.

The baby’s father says this bizarre and tragic mystery is a product of his girlfriend’s rage.

Logan McQuery says Elizabeth Johnson left Arizona with their child, Gabriel, when he refused to sign papers allowing her to put the baby up for adoption.

With a court granting him legal custody of Gabriel, McQuery says he then started getting horrifying text messages from Elizabeth, now on the run with the baby.

Logan McQuery, Gabriel’s father: “She basically said, ‘there is no way in #### you will ever see your son, again.‘ She put in the text, ‘I killed him.‘“

Elizabeth was discovered, then arrested, in Florida, for interfering with a child custody order…but there was no sign of Gabriel.

To detectives, Elizabeth denied harming the baby, saying her threats were meant only to hurt her boyfriend…and said she gave the 8-month-old to a random couple she met in a Texas park.

But, Elizabeth Johnson’s father says he believes she knows exactly who has the child…whom she may be still trying to hide.

Bob Johnson, Gabriel’s grandfather: “I think it’s in San Antonio, in somebody else’s house, and she just ain’t givin’ it up.“

Police say they believe Gabriel is alive and well…and are pleading with the anyone who has him to just turn him over to authorities.

http://www2.wjbf.com/jbf/news/national/article/police_ask_for_publics_help_in_locating_missing_arizona_baby/49816/


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: leslee on January 08, 2010, 03:39:17 PM
Northern - the order that you posted is a standard order that is entered to be followed until a trial. It is normally entered after a father files for paternity to be determined. The interesting thing in it is that it showed that mom was on public assistance. Wonder what the file on that shows.  The order certainly does not show that mom has custody as NG and the Smiths tried to say. Rather it says that they have joint custody with a rotating physical custody set up.

Is it normal that a father would have to prove paternity or is this only the case if the mother claims that he is not the father or has not listed him on the child's birth cert?  Can you please also explain what the  Motion for Pre-Decree Temporary Order without Notice for Child Custody is?  That was filed Dec 14 and this Paternity Judgement seems to be filed as a result.   ::MonkeyKiss::

I am not a lawyer but I play one online ::MonkeyWink::

What I think this means is ; This is what we are going to set up since he is the dad but you idiots haven't got to court yet to hash out the terms so in the meantime she gets him M-W and you get him T-S and if you all never go to formally set it up He gets rotating Christmases.  And this was set up because the pat tests determined he was the dad and he has rights effectively immediately even though they are not formalized........ thats what I am getting out of it.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: theboyzmom on January 08, 2010, 03:46:14 PM
Northern - the order that you posted is a standard order that is entered to be followed until a trial. It is normally entered after a father files for paternity to be determined. The interesting thing in it is that it showed that mom was on public assistance. Wonder what the file on that shows.  The order certainly does not show that mom has custody as NG and the Smiths tried to say. Rather it says that they have joint custody with a rotating physical custody set up.

Is it normal that a father would have to prove paternity or is this only the case if the mother claims that he is not the father or has not listed him on the child's birth cert?  Can you please also explain what the  Motion for Pre-Decree Temporary Order without Notice for Child Custody is?  That was filed Dec 14 and this Paternity Judgement seems to be filed as a result.   ::MonkeyKiss::

I am not a lawyer but I play one online ::MonkeyWink::

What I think this means is ; This is what we are going to set up since he is the dad but you idiots haven't got to court yet to hash out the terms so in the meantime she gets him M-W and you get him T-S and if you all never go to formally set it up He gets rotating Christmases.  And this was set up because the pat tests determined he was the dad and he has rights effectively immediately even though they are not formalized........ thats what I am getting out of it.

Basically. Normally there are two ways to be determined to be daddy (out side of marriage that is) - one is to sign something at birth to have your name put on the birth cert - then you have to go to the court to get visitation, second is to go to court later and prove by DNA that you are daddy then the court will set visitation.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: leslee on January 08, 2010, 03:54:47 PM
Northern - the order that you posted is a standard order that is entered to be followed until a trial. It is normally entered after a father files for paternity to be determined. The interesting thing in it is that it showed that mom was on public assistance. Wonder what the file on that shows.  The order certainly does not show that mom has custody as NG and the Smiths tried to say. Rather it says that they have joint custody with a rotating physical custody set up.

Is it normal that a father would have to prove paternity or is this only the case if the mother claims that he is not the father or has not listed him on the child's birth cert?  Can you please also explain what the  Motion for Pre-Decree Temporary Order without Notice for Child Custody is?  That was filed Dec 14 and this Paternity Judgement seems to be filed as a result.   ::MonkeyKiss::

I am not a lawyer but I play one online ::MonkeyWink::

What I think this means is ; This is what we are going to set up since he is the dad but you idiots haven't got to court yet to hash out the terms so in the meantime she gets him M-W and you get him T-S and if you all never go to formally set it up He gets rotating Christmases.  And this was set up because the pat tests determined he was the dad and he has rights effectively immediately even though they are not formalized........ thats what I am getting out of it.

Basically. Normally there are two ways to be determined to be daddy (out side of marriage that is) - one is to sign something at birth to have your name put on the birth cert - then you have to go to the court to get visitation, second is to go to court later and prove by DNA that you are daddy then the court will set visitation.

Yes I agree. I am thinking that his name was not put on the birth certificate because she wanted to get all the benefits she could from the State of Arizona, and he went along with it for the very same reason, not realizing that when you fall out of love it becomes a whole new ballgame. So then he had to have a pat test done to verify he was indeed the father. Just my guess....


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: darla on January 08, 2010, 03:55:20 PM
Northern, a page or two back you posted a deed and a forfeiture . My brain just ain't registering today. Is that the deed for there house? And is the second one  them signing the house back over to original owners? Help I am lost


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: darla on January 08, 2010, 03:58:12 PM
It's beginning to look like the Smith's have a monopoly on unofficial documents.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: trimmonthelake on January 08, 2010, 04:02:11 PM
http://www2.wjbf.com/jbf/news/national/article/police_ask_for_publics_help_in_locating_missing_arizona_baby/49816/
Police Ask for Public’s Help in Locating Missing Arizona Baby

ABC News
Published: January 8, 2010
Phoenix, AZ—The investigation into the disapearance of ‘Baby Gabriel’ is widening…police in Arizona are now calling a couple who wanted to adopt the baby…persons of interest.

Sgt. Steve Carbajal, Tempe (Arizona) Police Department: “There’s information that they might not be telling us everything.“

Jack and Terri Smith say that while they were likely the last people to see him, they do not know his whereabouts, and are ready and willing to cooperate with police.

Jack Smith, person of interest: “There’s an enormous about of peace in the truth, and we’ve been truthful.“

The mother…now in custody…has offered few clues to help find him.

The baby’s father says this bizarre and tragic mystery is a product of his girlfriend’s rage.

Logan McQuery says Elizabeth Johnson left Arizona with their child, Gabriel, when he refused to sign papers allowing her to put the baby up for adoption.

With a court granting him legal custody of Gabriel, McQuery says he then started getting horrifying text messages from Elizabeth, now on the run with the baby.

Logan McQuery, Gabriel’s father: “She basically said, ‘there is no way in #### you will ever see your son, again.‘ She put in the text, ‘I killed him.‘“
Elizabeth was discovered, then arrested, in Florida, for interfering with a child custody order…but there was no sign of Gabriel.

To detectives, Elizabeth denied harming the baby, saying her threats were meant only to hurt her boyfriend…and said she gave the 8-month-old to a random couple she met in a Texas park.

But, Elizabeth Johnson’s father says he believes she knows exactly who has the child…whom she may be still trying to hide.

Bob Johnson, Gabriel’s grandfather: “I think it’s in San Antonio, in somebody else’s house, and she just ain’t givin’ it up.“

Police say they believe Gabriel is alive and well…and are pleading with the anyone who has him to just turn him over to authorities.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 08, 2010, 04:07:36 PM
Northern, a page or two back you posted a deed and a forfeiture . My brain just ain't registering today. Is that the deed for there house? And is the second one  them signing the house back over to original owners? Help I am lost

yes.  They bought it then gave it back.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 08, 2010, 04:13:28 PM
Leticia Lance is on HLN right now.

She said that the Smiths got their wish today and have been taken in for a polygraph this afternoon. ( so we can expect to see them all over the news this evening) 

Smiths are saying there was no pressure on their part to have Logan sign adoption papers . 

Grandpa Bob says EJ was not cut out to be a mother and adoption would be a good thing. 

After getting out of Fostercare EJ lived with her father in Arizona, then went to Boston to live with another Grandparent.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: darla on January 08, 2010, 04:14:05 PM
Ok...Thanks, that is what I thought it meant. Just not processing things to well today. Hummmmmm could be why she deleted those pics of the house yesterday on myspace.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: darla on January 08, 2010, 04:16:25 PM
Oh that should be interesting, let's see if they pass them. I sent in a question to the news that you posted a couple of pages back..


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Nut44x4 on January 08, 2010, 04:30:11 PM
Does anyone know if Elizabeth was familiar with what Casey Anthony has done?

Her grandfather had said she was very internet wise, and I believe the PD on NG grace said something similar.  Yesterday one of the reports said she may be trying to cover her tracks on the net. 

Are you thinking she heading to Miami to get ahold of Baez or share a bag of cheesie puffs with Casey to get some tips or copycat?

(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_9TOJ9pyzB_4/SihvDRXFV9I/AAAAAAAAA9o/iBpbvJPFdXo/s400/cartman%27s+cheesy+poofs1.gif) I am not sure what to think of any of this. Usually I immediately think a missing child is dead, but I just don't know with this case. Perhaps the Enema givers have the baby. No one has searched their home, eh?


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 08, 2010, 04:30:50 PM
Oh that should be interesting, let's see if they pass them. I sent in a question to the news that you posted a couple of pages back..

I sent in a few as well.  Lets see how investigative they are in their reporting.  Both are taking polys so it should be interesting how long it takes them to come out and scream "we passed".


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 08, 2010, 04:32:14 PM
Does anyone know if Elizabeth was familiar with what Casey Anthony has done?

Her grandfather had said she was very internet wise, and I believe the PD on NG grace said something similar.  Yesterday one of the reports said she may be trying to cover her tracks on the net. 

Are you thinking she heading to Miami to get ahold of Baez or share a bag of cheesie puffs with Casey to get some tips or copycat?

(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_9TOJ9pyzB_4/SihvDRXFV9I/AAAAAAAAA9o/iBpbvJPFdXo/s400/cartman%27s+cheesy+poofs1.gif) I am not sure what to think of any of this. Usually I immediately think a missing child is dead, but I just don't know with this case. Perhaps the Enema givers have the baby. No one has searched their home, eh?

Their home was searched.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: ScareyCarrie on January 08, 2010, 04:38:17 PM
i am wondering if enema womans mother is still alive.... if so where she might live...

the apple does not fall far from the tree as we all know especially in the Ant's family tree


i am wondering about her mothers movements and poss bank account transactions, more interstingly does she live in TN, they have alot of ties there.... pos sighting in Nashville, and someone could have very easily drove and met her in TX to throw suspision off..... just thinking here i am prolly wayyyy off


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 08, 2010, 04:39:36 PM
I am not sure what to think of any of this. Usually I immediately think a missing child is dead, but I just don't know with this case. Perhaps the Enema givers have the baby. No one has searched their home, eh?

Apparently the home of Tammi and Jack Smith has been searched.

Janet

+++++++

Where is Baby Gabriel? Arizona Woman Refuses to Help Police Find Missing Son
Jan. 6, 2010


Police have also questioned the Smiths and searched their home but found no clues to indicate where Gabriel might be.

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/search-baby-gabriel-arizona-mother-refuses-police-find/story?id=9489263


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Nut44x4 on January 08, 2010, 04:46:37 PM
oh ...as you can see I have not read everything in this thread, lol.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: ScareyCarrie on January 08, 2010, 04:50:27 PM
oh ...as you can see I have not read everything in this thread, lol.

I have and it is still very confusing with this d@mn enema lady's conflicting stories, lies, and all the states involved  ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: no rose colored glasses on January 08, 2010, 05:16:38 PM
Northern, a page or two back you posted a deed and a forfeiture . My brain just ain't registering today. Is that the deed for there house? And is the second one  them signing the house back over to original owners? Help I am lost

yes.  They bought it then gave it back.
I'm really lost with this, how do you sign the house back over to the original owners? Do you just decide after you buy it that you know longer want it?


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: trimmonthelake on January 08, 2010, 05:23:07 PM
http://primewriter.com/news-1246-headlines/?p=2458
Gabriel Johnson missing child case: Interview with Elizabeth Johnson (photos, videos, audio)
Posted by Melissa Finlay  On January - 8 - 2010


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: leslee on January 08, 2010, 05:28:33 PM
Northern, a page or two back you posted a deed and a forfeiture . My brain just ain't registering today. Is that the deed for there house? And is the second one  them signing the house back over to original owners? Help I am lost

yes.  They bought it then gave it back.
I'm really lost with this, how do you sign the house back over to the original owners? Do you just decide after you buy it that you know longer want it?

By looking at the contract and seeing the mo/payment(3,000 mo) and the terms ( IIRC a year) it looks like it was one of those deals where they have a year to get permanant financing ....of course I could be wrong....


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: no rose colored glasses on January 08, 2010, 05:38:02 PM
Northern, a page or two back you posted a deed and a forfeiture . My brain just ain't registering today. Is that the deed for there house? And is the second one  them signing the house back over to original owners? Help I am lost

yes.  They bought it then gave it back.
I'm really lost with this, how do you sign the house back over to the original owners? Do you just decide after you buy it that you know longer want it?

By looking at the contract and seeing the mo/payment(3,000 mo) and the terms ( IIRC a year) it looks like it was one of those deals where they have a year to get permanant financing ....of course I could be wrong....
Thank-you, I have never heard of that before


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: darla on January 08, 2010, 05:51:03 PM
No rose check your nanners!


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: mymonkey on January 08, 2010, 06:12:53 PM
Darla.....So sorry for the loss of your friends...my prayers are with the family and  for you as well. ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: mymonkey on January 08, 2010, 06:16:42 PM
When colonics were mentioned, I had remembered reading Princess Diana was "a fan of colonic hydrotherapy.    There's lots of links to her and colonics...

http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1G1-156808182.html

http://www.salon.com/health/feature/1999/07/14/colonics/print.html

http://www.koyfmancenter.com/articles.htm

http://www.thefreelibrary.com/Colon+hydrotherapy:+will+it+benefit+you%3F+Princess+Diana+was+an+...-a0156808182

http://www.answers.com/topic/colonic-irrigation-4

and etc....

don't know what to say   ::MonkeyEek::

All I think of is e.coli all over those spa walls...!



Nope Mere the poop goes down a drain via a hose. ::MonkeyShovel::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: no rose colored glasses on January 08, 2010, 06:18:33 PM
No rose check your nanners!
Done


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: ScareyCarrie on January 08, 2010, 06:30:34 PM
I am going home, have a happy evening and i hope Gabriel is warm and safe  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: darla on January 08, 2010, 06:33:37 PM
Darla.....So sorry for the loss of your friends...my prayers are with the family and  for you as well. ::MonkeyAngel::

Thank you MyMonkey.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 08, 2010, 06:34:23 PM
I know I am letting myself open for a fall but ... I am anticipating in about 1 1/2 hours Nancy Grace (HLN) will have Tammi and Jack Smith as guests on her program.  Maybe we will learn about today's polygraphs.

The following is an edited version of last night program.  I have posted only the portions related to the Smiths.

Janet

++++++

TAMMI AND JACK SMITH

NANCY GRACE
Couple Named Persons of Interest in Missing Baby Case
Aired January 7, 2010 - 20:00:00   ET


PART ONE

NANCY GRACE, HOST:  Bombshell tonight. The would-be adoptive parents, the Arizona couple, Jack and Tammi Smith -- they were just with us live last night -- just named persons of interest in baby Gabriel`s disappearance. Repeat, persons of interest in the baby`s disappearance. Why?

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

JACK SMITH, WANTED TO ADOPT GABRIEL: We are for the finding of this baby. We are not on a side. But I think that she`s looking at things through non-normal eyes. Our normal eyes say, That`s crazy. …

GRACE: Do you think, Tammi, that she is capable of killing this baby?

TAMMI PETERS SMITH, WANTED TO ADOPT GABRIEL: You know, from what I know of her, I don`t believe so. But I`ve only known her maybe three or four weeks.

(END VIDEO CLIP)


PART TWO

GRACE: Good evening. I`m Nancy Grace. I want to thank you for being with us. Bombshell tonight. The would-be adoptive parents, that Scottsdale, Arizona, couple, Jack and Tammi Smith -- they were just with us live last night -- just named -- just named! -- persons of interest in baby Gabriel`s disappearance. They are on their way to the studio to be with us live right now.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

LOGAN MCQUEARY, GABRIEL`S FATHER: Do the right thing and turn him over. You know, just like Sergeant Carbajal said, just, you know, don`t worry about getting in trouble or anything like that. Take him to a fire station, any place, a hospital. I`m just asking, please. I want my son back.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: That is baby Gabriel`s father, Logan McQueary, on ABC`s "Good Morning America," making a desperate plea, taking to the airwaves to find his 8-month-old baby boy. And I say to law enforcement tonight, Please make a public statement. Tell whoever may have this baby that they will not be prosecuted if they bring the baby back. I challenge law enforcement to do that tonight.


PART THREE

GRACE: Just now sitting down in a studio there in Arizona, the would- be adoptive parents, Jack and Tammi Smith, are joining us. This is extremely unusual. To those viewers that are joining us tonight, they have been named persons of interest by the police, yet they are coming forward and speaking with us and taking your calls live tonight.

To Jack and Tammi Smith, thank you for being with us. I`m completely stunned that you`ve been named persons of interest. On the other hand, that doesn`t mean the cops think you took baby Gabriel. I`m interpreting it to mean that they believe you know where baby Gabriel may be. What about it, Tammi Smith?

TAMMI SMITH: Well, I have tried to call the detective, Ramirez (ph), many times today, left two messages with her. It`s not that I know where he is, but like I told your staff, we`ve all been talking for the past couple days, trying to brainstorm where he is. So Yami from Fox News has been brainstorming, and she`s been digging and digging in San Antonio for us. And she gives us all of her leads. And so we go with that. And we`re working with your office, as well, and brainstorming together. So we just have our own ideas about it.

GRACE: Well, I noticed last night that you told us that you had determined the park where the handoff, the alleged handoff, was made by Mommy, 23-year-old Elizabeth Johnson, to this unknown couple that she just happens to meet at the park. How did you know the name of the park?

JACK SMITH: Yami. Yami was the one that had told me, and I -- I mentioned to you the connection aspect. Yami -- we have been somewhat embraced by them because they feel that we are trying our desperate -- desperately trying to find this baby. And help find this baby.


PART FOUR

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

BOB JOHNSON, GABRIEL`S GREAT GRANDFATHER: Yes. I believe her. I think that she did do something that ridiculous and foolish. I also got the impression that she`s prepared to stick to her story and stay in jail as long as necessary.

(END VIDEO CLIP


PART FIVE

GRACE: That would-be adoptive couple from Arizona, just with us last night, now named two -- a couple -- persons of interest in the disappearance of baby Gabriel. But why? And they have taken it upon themselves to appear with us live tonight.

To Jack and Tammi Smith. It`s my understanding, you have volunteered to submit to a polygraph to police. Is that right, Mr. Smith?

JACK SMITH, PLANNED TO ADOPT BABY GABRIEL: It is. We did that on New Year`s Eve night when the -- because the detectives were out there. And we said, you know, I don`t know what this line of questioning is, but if a polygraph will fix this -- and they said yes, yes, it will fix it.

We said well, please, bring it on. Set it up for Monday morning. And we haven`t heard from them yet.

GRACE: How often did the mom -- mommy, 23-year-old Elizabeth Johnson contact you while she was between Tempe, San Antonio, and Miami Beach?

J. SMITH: Well, between.

T. SMITH: Do you mean once she left?

GRACE: Yes.

J. SMITH: She didn`t contact us any between here and there. We only found out when we did the MySpace thing and found her account and then we.

T. SMITH: And then she texted us that message.

J. SMITH: We text her and all that.

NANCY GRACE, HOST: Now I`ve got that message and it says -- I`ve got it right here. It says, "I am ever worried this e-mail can be traced to where I am, so I probably won`t e-mail again. But I had to let you know, we are all right, because I know you must be worried sick and I am so sorry for that. I really am."

What was she worried about? Why was she worried about being traced if she had done nothing wrong, Tammi?

T. SMITH: Well, once we did start to talk to her, she said that her plan was to keep running.

GRACE: Running from what?

T. SMITH: Just -- she didn`t want Logan to have the baby and we couldn`t adopt the baby because Logan wouldn`t sign the papers. So her idea was to just keep running forever. And we told her you can`t run forever. They`re going to find you. And that`s all in the documents with all the FBI and all that stuff.


PART SIX
 
GRACE: Right. To Jack and Tammi Smith, when did you guys try to get the father to agree and learn that he was not part of this. I believe she represented you at the beginning that he was OK with it?

J. SMITH: She represented in the very beginning that he was back and forth.

GRACE: Yes.

J. SMITH: Back and forth with that. And so he did not have -- we asked to speak with him. He did not have a cell phone at that time. I think he`s living with his father. We couldn`t get a hold of him so that`s when we took the...

T. SMITH: We were supposed to meet up with him and the father at court. When we went to court that day, it was all settled and set up for us to go have lunch together. And go to the park and have them spend time with the baby and discuss it all.

But when Elizabeth won custody, they just walked past us and left and they didn`t -- they didn`t come back and we waited for about 40 minutes and they didn`t come back.

GRACE: Now, it`s my understanding, Elizabeth never had formal custody.

T. SMITH: She did. She had -- she had the custody -- physical custody. And then when she went to court, when he was.

GRACE: Let me rephrase. It`s my understanding she had shared custody with the father. They had shared custody.

T. SMITH: No.

GRACE: That he would get to visit. No?

T. SMITH: You`ll have to look at the documents, but I can tell you that she had physical custody and then when they went to court, he was trying to get custody.

J. SMITH: Sure.

T. SMITH: And the judge gave her custody and said that he could have a visit.

GRACE: OK, hold on.

T. SMITH: That`s all I know.

GRACE: Matt Zarrell, you`ve got the documents, I`ve got the documents. What do they say and give it to me in a nutshell, Matt.

MATT ZARRELL, NANCY GRACE STAFFER, COVERING STORY: Mom and dad had shared custody. They had split the week. Mom took her for -- mom took Gabriel for a couple of days, dad took the baby for a couple of days.

GRACE: OK, now was there a point where mommy didn`t show up to court and she lost custody?

ZARRELL: Yes, that was December 28th. That`s when the warrant was issued for her arrest.


PART SEVEN

GRACE: To Jack and Tammi Smith. First to you, Tammi, did the baby have diaper rash?

T. SMITH: Yes.

GRACE: So in the short time you saw the baby, you know that -- I mean, obviously that is a sign of neglect. Right? I mean, you can get diaper rash without being neglected, but it means you`ve been sitting there in soaking wet diapers. Your body -- your skin literally sitting in feces and urine for hours on end. I mean urine is like acid on your skin.

T. SMITH: I don`t want to say -- I mean, I don`t know that that had has happened. And you know I know babies get diaper rash. I don`t want to say either way, because I wasn`t there when he got the rash but yes, he did have a rash when we got him.

GRACE: Well, I can tell you this much. Between Lucy and John David, both, at age 2, they`ve only had diaper rash twice in their life and that`s when they were on antibiotics that.

T. SMITH: Yes.

GRACE: . caused it to happen. So it doesn`t happen with every baby, I can tell you that much.

T. SMITH: And this was a yeast infection-type rash. Like a bacterial-type rash.

GRACE: Let me ask you something. You two seem very confident that the baby is alive. Because I believe in the short time that I`ve known you, if you believed that baby was dead, you would not have the demeanor you have tonight.

You love that baby.

J. SMITH: Sure.

GRACE: Now tell me why you believe that baby is alive. What do you know that makes you believe the baby is alive, Mr. Smith.

J. SMITH: It`s just a heart thing. And I`m sorry that that`s probably not the answer that everybody is wanting to hear. But it`s just a heart thing. And we saw in her eyes -- it`s very difficult for me because I came from a great home.

And it`s hard for me to look in someone`s eyes -- and I looked in Elizabeth`s eyes and I saw welling up. And I saw what I felt like was love. Am I a perfect judge of character? I hope in most cases I am. But in this situation, I looked and saw love. I saw, you know, her -- the pull and I just have a hard time believing.

GRACE: It`s OK.

J. SMITH: . that someone with that love can do that.


http://edition.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1001/07/ng.01.html


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: no rose colored glasses on January 08, 2010, 06:37:27 PM
Janet, I'm with you, we should expect another fine performance from the Smiths tonight on NG.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: mymonkey on January 08, 2010, 06:42:37 PM
First Tammi said she did not know how Gabriel got a rash then after Nancy Grace tells about the twins having a rash from antibiotics

then Tammi is like a parrot and said that was the kind of rash Gabriel had.... ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: mymonkey on January 08, 2010, 06:45:51 PM
Janet, I'm with you, we should expect another fine performance from the Smiths tonight on NG.

Well we best put on our rubber boots because I think the chit will be deep ::MonkeyShovel::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: no rose colored glasses on January 08, 2010, 06:54:50 PM
Janet, I'm with you, we should expect another fine performance from the Smiths tonight on NG.

Well we best put on our rubber boots because I think the chit will be deep ::MonkeyShovel::
It is hard to keep those stories straight  ::MonkeyShovel::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Searching on January 08, 2010, 07:03:37 PM
Janet, I'm with you, we should expect another fine performance from the Smiths tonight on NG.

Well we best put on our rubber boots because I think the chit will be deep ::MonkeyShovel::

Think these will do?


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 08, 2010, 07:14:37 PM
'Persons Of Interest' Take Polygraph Test
Jack, Terri Smith: We're Doing Everything We Can To Help Find Gabriel Johnson

TEMPE, Ariz. -- A Scottsdale couple identified as "persons of interest" in the investigation into the disappearance of 8-month-old Gabriel Johnson took a polygraph test on Friday

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http://www.kpho.com/news/22184409/detail.html

Jack and Terri Smith said they're doing everything they can to help police find the missing infant.

There would be nothing that they could charge us with because we have done nothing,” said “We've done everything that the police have asked us.”

Tempe police said they believe the couple may know more about the missing child's whereabouts than they're telling investigators.

Earlier this week, CBS 5 News was there for a phone conversation between the Smiths and Elizabeth Johnson, 23, who was arrested last week in Florida on suspicion of custodial interference after she didn't show up for a custody hearing in Arizona.

Detectives on the case listened to that conversation trying to see if they could identify any red flags.

A source said when a polygraph is completed, police know almost instantaneously whether or not the people taking the test are lying.

In high profile cases, police said it's not unusual to have a second opinion on the results.

"We are getting some indications that Gabriel is alive," Sgt. Steve Carbajal said Thursday. "We can't say specifically just what those are, but we are getting some indications that those are correct."

The baby was last seen in San Antonio in December with Elizabeth Johnson.

Tempe police have been inundated with tips in the case and are now directing callers to the National Center for Missing or Exploited Children. The number is 1-800-THE-LOST (1-800-843-5678).

http://www.kpho.com/news/22188104/detail.html


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 08, 2010, 07:16:00 PM
8-month-old Gabriel still missing, authorities focusing on couple who wanted to adopt the baby

(WHAS11)  The case of a missing 8-month-old baby now spans three states, and police are now focusing on a couple who wanted to adopt the baby.
 
Jack and Teri Smith were likely the last to see baby Gabriel, but say they don’t know the baby’s whereabouts.
 
Gabriel’s mother is in custody, after she sent text messages to the baby’s father saying she killed the baby.
 
Jack and Teri smith are willing to cooperate with police.  Jack Smith said, “There’s an enormous amount of peace in the truth, and we’ve been truthful.”
 
The mother has denied harming the baby and says her threats were to hurt her boyfriend, but she isn’t cooperating with police.

Police believe the baby is alive and well.

http://www.whas11.com/news/crimetracker/8-month-old-Gabriel-still-missing-authorities-focusing-on-couple-who-wanted-to-adopt-the-baby-81036842.html


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: darla on January 08, 2010, 07:22:12 PM
Here is a live link for news at 5:30. Suppose to try to answer questions sent in by viewers:
http://www.kpho.com/live/index.html


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: no rose colored glasses on January 08, 2010, 07:22:14 PM
Searching, I don't think those wading boots are high enough  ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: mymonkey on January 08, 2010, 07:23:44 PM
Janet, I'm with you, we should expect another fine performance from the Smiths tonight on NG.

Well we best put on our rubber boots because I think the chit will be deep ::MonkeyShovel::

Think these will do?

 ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: 

Perfect!!


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: mymonkey on January 08, 2010, 07:29:12 PM
8-month-old Gabriel still missing, authorities focusing on couple who wanted to adopt the baby

(WHAS11)  The case of a missing 8-month-old baby now spans three states, and police are now focusing on a couple who wanted to adopt the baby.
 
Jack and Teri Smith were likely the last to see baby Gabriel, but say they don’t know the baby’s whereabouts.
 
Gabriel’s mother is in custody, after she sent text messages to the baby’s father saying she killed the baby.
 
Jack and Teri smith are willing to cooperate with police.  Jack Smith said, “There’s an enormous amount of peace in the truth, and we’ve been truthful.”javascript:void(0);
 
The mother has denied harming the baby and says her threats were to hurt her boyfriend, but she isn’t cooperating with police.

Police believe the baby is alive and well.

http://www.whas11.com/news/crimetracker/8-month-old-Gabriel-still-missing-authorities-focusing-on-couple-who-wanted-to-adopt-the-baby-81036842.html


Northern you are a top notch investigator  ::MonkeyDance::



I think we should call you "Northern PI"   or " Northern Star"  do you remember the comic book character "Brenda Star"  she was
an investigator and was in the comic strip section of the paper many moons ago.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 08, 2010, 07:32:44 PM
8-month-old Gabriel still missing, authorities focusing on couple who wanted to adopt the baby

(WHAS11)  The case of a missing 8-month-old baby now spans three states, and police are now focusing on a couple who wanted to adopt the baby.
 
Jack and Teri Smith were likely the last to see baby Gabriel, but say they don’t know the baby’s whereabouts.
 
Gabriel’s mother is in custody, after she sent text messages to the baby’s father saying she killed the baby.
 
Jack and Teri smith are willing to cooperate with police.  Jack Smith said, “There’s an enormous amount of peace in the truth, and we’ve been truthful.”javascript:void(0);
 
The mother has denied harming the baby and says her threats were to hurt her boyfriend, but she isn’t cooperating with police.

Police believe the baby is alive and well.

http://www.whas11.com/news/crimetracker/8-month-old-Gabriel-still-missing-authorities-focusing-on-couple-who-wanted-to-adopt-the-baby-81036842.html


Northern you are a top notch investigator  ::MonkeyDance::



I think we should call you "Northern PI"   or " Northern Star"  do you remember the comic book character "Brenda Star"  she was
an investigator and was in the comic strip section of the paper many moons ago.

Was she old and liked to cook?   ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: darla on January 08, 2010, 07:34:16 PM
I posted a link for the news....I think I am screwed up on my times I am eastern...are they 2 hr or 3 hours behind me?


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 08, 2010, 07:35:51 PM
Here is a live link for news at 5:30. Suppose to try to answer questions sent in by viewers:
http://www.kpho.com/live/index.html

I see the Whitehouse.  I will keep it on until they come one.

I am not sure they will stick with NG as their favourite national platform.  I heard Tammi call into Shep on Fox earlier telling him they were just going into the poly and would talk to him later.  Guess their Yani friend from Fox San Antonio has got them connected.  Wonder if they show up on Geraldo ?


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 08, 2010, 07:37:01 PM
I posted a link for the news....I think I am screwed up on my times I am eastern...are they 2 hr or 3 hours behind me?

It is 5:36 in Pheonix right now MST


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: darla on January 08, 2010, 07:37:37 PM
Northern did you by any chance capture Tammi's myspace  before she started deleting?


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: mymonkey on January 08, 2010, 07:37:38 PM
8-month-old Gabriel still missing, authorities focusing on couple who wanted to adopt the baby

(WHAS11)  The case of a missing 8-month-old baby now spans three states, and police are now focusing on a couple who wanted to adopt the baby.
 
Jack and Teri Smith were likely the last to see baby Gabriel, but say they don’t know the baby’s whereabouts.
 
Gabriel’s mother is in custody, after she sent text messages to the baby’s father saying she killed the baby.
 
Jack and Teri smith are willing to cooperate with police.  Jack Smith said, “There’s an enormous amount of peace in the truth, and we’ve been truthful.”javascript:void(0);
 
The mother has denied harming the baby and says her threats were to hurt her boyfriend, but she isn’t cooperating with police.

Police believe the baby is alive and well.

http://www.whas11.com/news/crimetracker/8-month-old-Gabriel-still-missing-authorities-focusing-on-couple-who-wanted-to-adopt-the-baby-81036842.html


Northern you are a top notch investigator  ::MonkeyDance::



I think we should call you "Northern PI"   or " Northern Star"  do you remember the comic book character "Brenda Star"  she was
an investigator and was in the comic strip section of the paper many moons ago.

Was she old and liked to cook?   ::MonkeyHaHa::

I dont know if she cooked.....but she was a feisty sexy redhead  this was back in the day of Dick Tracy. ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 08, 2010, 07:44:20 PM
Northern did you by any chance capture Tammi's myspace  before she started deleting?

I got quite a bit of it. Her blog were posts full of get a special deal on a powerflush or we are in Mexico.  Her albums I did not get all of them. They were mostly of her 3 older kids visit, one album in the gun range, one in a car museum, and the bubble bath pictures.  I do have all of her surrogate posts, experience post, and cafemom blog. 

If you want email me throwawaymonkey@gmail.com


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 08, 2010, 07:49:06 PM
Nashville Tie Explored In Missing Baby Case (video)

http://www.kpho.com/video/22182376/index.html


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: mymonkey on January 08, 2010, 07:50:52 PM
I was listening to the interview again of EJ in jail....she plainly said she gave him up for adoption not that she gave him away....makes me go hmmmmm...


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 08, 2010, 07:54:01 PM
Tavis Hannah's bio daddy


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 08, 2010, 07:56:22 PM
KPHO changed the story from step-son to bio-daddy

<snipped>

Warford is the biological father of Jack Smith's Granddaughter, Hannah. Warford claims the Smiths offered him money to sign over his custodial rights.

http://www.kpho.com/news/22180215/detail.html



Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: darla on January 08, 2010, 07:57:52 PM
Northern did you by any chance capture Tammi's myspace  before she started deleting?

I got quite a bit of it. Her blog were posts full of get a special deal on a powerflush or we are in Mexico.  Her albums I did not get all of them. They were mostly of her 3 older kids visit, one album in the gun range, one in a car museum, and the bubble bath pictures.  I do have all of her surrogate posts, experience post, and cafemom blog. 

If you want email me throwawaymonkey@gmail.com

you have mail.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 08, 2010, 07:58:25 PM
NANCY GRACE (HLN) - 2 minutes.

Janet
4:58 PM PT


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: no rose colored glasses on January 08, 2010, 08:05:08 PM
KPHO changed the story from step-son to bio-daddy

<snipped>

Warford is the biological father of Jack Smith's Granddaughter, Hannah. Warford claims the Smiths offered him money to sign over his custodial rights.

http://www.kpho.com/news/22180215/detail.html


  ::MonkeyNoNo:: Unbelievable, he is a nice looking guy.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: darla on January 08, 2010, 08:06:59 PM
yes, he is a nice looking man.and Logan is also.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: theboyzmom on January 08, 2010, 08:07:41 PM
Northern, a page or two back you posted a deed and a forfeiture . My brain just ain't registering today. Is that the deed for there house? And is the second one  them signing the house back over to original owners? Help I am lost

yes.  They bought it then gave it back.
I'm really lost with this, how do you sign the house back over to the original owners? Do you just decide after you buy it that you know longer want it?

Deed in lieu or foreclosure is basically you saying I can not pay for this anymore so you may have the house back without having to sue me.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: no rose colored glasses on January 08, 2010, 08:09:45 PM
Northern, a page or two back you posted a deed and a forfeiture . My brain just ain't registering today. Is that the deed for there house? And is the second one  them signing the house back over to original owners? Help I am lost

yes.  They bought it then gave it back.
I'm really lost with this, how do you sign the house back over to the original owners? Do you just decide after you buy it that you know longer want it?

Deed in lieu or foreclosure is basically you saying I can not pay for this anymore so you may have the house back without having to sue me.
Thank-you.  On NG right now Tammi says they don't have the results of the poly, they have to be sent out to be analyzed.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Searching on January 08, 2010, 08:14:00 PM
I finally got to listen to the interview here http://www.kpho.com/video/22155911/index.html and well, Tammi needs to back the he11 off. She is in this up to her wicked eye balls and she needs to tell what she knows and stop coaching this girl. They need to go ahead and arrest Tammi and her hubby and keep them in jail until they tell the truth. Must be easy to play these games when a girl with obvious emotional problems sits in jail for them. I have a feeling they know where he is


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 08, 2010, 08:14:14 PM
Enima woman is on NG there was a clip that she had info she wanted to give police but was not sure if she should tell the media. 

Tempe police did question the Smiths in regards to the info they were with withholding.  Police did not say that they took polys only that they questions the Smiths

Smiths said they took Polys.  Tammi says she called the det at least 4-5 times yesterday and she finally got back. Tammi was frustrated and told police they wanted a poly and it was set up for noon today.

At the conclusion of the poly they were told they are sending out the results to be analyzed.

Tammi says she gave the detectives information that Yani from Fox gave to Tammi.  Elizabeth left and had a Garmin in her car and turned on. Her cell phone had a signal in Victoria Texas the day she went missing and got on the bus Dec 27.  Tammi thinks the baby is in Victoria Tx Dec 27 is the same day she sent the text to Logan that Gabriel is dead






Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: no rose colored glasses on January 08, 2010, 08:14:32 PM
We don't want custody of Gabriel if he was found, it can't happen and won't happen because his father has custody. And that's where he belongs. He belongs with his father!  ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: no rose colored glasses on January 08, 2010, 08:16:14 PM
So they believe the baby is in Victoria Texas  ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 08, 2010, 08:22:28 PM
Tammi-FB about underground message on her wall .  Tammi  says she felt and was  threatened by Logan.  Tammi wrote that to make sure Logan  knew they were not interested in Gabriel anymore.  EJ was to go to a place for abused mothers.  EJ had mentioned to Tammi that it was a domestic violence shelter and EJ had used the word underground.  EJ told Tammi she found a adomestic violence shelter but did not say it was in San Antonio. 


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 08, 2010, 08:23:31 PM
We don't want custody of Gabriel if he was found, it can't happen and won't happen because his father has custody. And that's where he belongs. He belongs with his father!  ::MonkeyEek::

What a big switch from her saying neither of the parents should have the Gabriel . 


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 08, 2010, 08:23:40 PM
WOW!!!

BABYBEAR!!!

You were right on.  On NG tonight Tammi Smith was confronted with a post she submitted to facebook confirming that Elizabeth was being assisted by an "undergound" after she left the Smith's residence.

 ::MonkeyShocked::

Janet


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 08, 2010, 08:26:19 PM
Northern did you by any chance capture Tammi's myspace  before she started deleting?

I got quite a bit of it. Her blog were posts full of get a special deal on a powerflush or we are in Mexico.  Her albums I did not get all of them. They were mostly of her 3 older kids visit, one album in the gun range, one in a car museum, and the bubble bath pictures.  I do have all of her surrogate posts, experience post, and cafemom blog. 

If you want email me throwawaymonkey@gmail.com

you have mail.

got it


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: darla on January 08, 2010, 08:27:56 PM
Tammi-FB about underground message on her wall .  Tammi  says she felt and was  threatened by Logan.  Tammi wrote that to make sure Logan  knew they were not interested in Gabriel anymore.  EJ was to go to a place for abused mothers.  EJ had mentioned to Tammi that it was a domestic violence shelter and EJ had used the word underground.  EJ told Tammi she found a adomestic violence shelter but did not say it was in San Antonio. 


Wasn't EJ the one charged with the domestic abuse? or accused of it. Why did she feel she had to go to another state to go in a shelter. This makes no sense at all.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 08, 2010, 08:28:42 PM
I still think, as I said last night, that Gabriel has disappeared into the underground through one of the organizations which help mothers and children disappear from husband/father who the mother claims to be abusive, particularly sexual abusive to the child.  This has been going on for years.  In fact one child, the daughter of a Washington DC lady doctor, disappeared because the father had been molesting her. The mother wouldn't tell where she was and in fact went to jail for years for contempt.  It took an act of Congress to get her out of jail.  An underground organization got the little girl to Australia where she lived for years without being discovered by the father.  After she was found, she was then a teenager, the Australian judge refused to give her to the father.

That's what I think has happened to Gabriel.  I think some organization, and the Smiths IMO are in this up to their necks, arranged for Daniel to disappear on EJ's word of abuse.  Obviously, Logan is more respectable than Elizabeth and even LE says so.  It might be true that EJ doesn't know the people who took him, purposely so, but I believe it was prearranged.  IMO it was done on Elizabeth's part to get revenge on Logan, but the other people might sincerely think they saved Gabriel from his father.  If this is what happened, the underground people will never take Gabriel to LE.  They believe they are protecting him. That's what I think happened, and I might be wrong, but I don't think so.

BUMPED!!


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: no rose colored glasses on January 08, 2010, 08:29:19 PM
Tammi-FB about underground message on her wall .  Tammi  says she felt and was  threatened by Logan.  Tammi wrote that to make sure Logan  knew they were not interested in Gabriel anymore.  EJ was to go to a place for abused mothers.  EJ had mentioned to Tammi that it was a domestic violence shelter and EJ had used the word underground.  EJ told Tammi she found a adomestic violence shelter but did not say it was in San Antonio. 


Wasn't EJ the one charged with the domestic abuse? or accused of it. Why did she feel she had to go to another state to go in a shelter. This makes no sense at all.
That's what I've been sitting here wondering.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: no rose colored glasses on January 08, 2010, 08:30:09 PM
I still think, as I said last night, that Gabriel has disappeared into the underground through one of the organizations which help mothers and children disappear from husband/father who the mother claims to be abusive, particularly sexual abusive to the child.  This has been going on for years.  In fact one child, the daughter of a Washington DC lady doctor, disappeared because the father had been molesting her. The mother wouldn't tell where she was and in fact went to jail for years for contempt.  It took an act of Congress to get her out of jail.  An underground organization got the little girl to Australia where she lived for years without being discovered by the father.  After she was found, she was then a teenager, the Australian judge refused to give her to the father.

That's what I think has happened to Gabriel.  I think some organization, and the Smiths IMO are in this up to their necks, arranged for Daniel to disappear on EJ's word of abuse.  Obviously, Logan is more respectable than Elizabeth and even LE says so.  It might be true that EJ doesn't know the people who took him, purposely so, but I believe it was prearranged.  IMO it was done on Elizabeth's part to get revenge on Logan, but the other people might sincerely think they saved Gabriel from his father.  If this is what happened, the underground people will never take Gabriel to LE.  They believe they are protecting him. That's what I think happened, and I might be wrong, but I don't think so.

BUMPED!!
Thanks Janet


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 08, 2010, 08:33:47 PM
I am hoping that Elizabeth's warped but sincere sense of love dictates that Gabriel is safe.  I pray that whoever has this baby will come forward.

I am not condoning Elizabeth's actions but ... my heart breaks that somebody ... without selfish motives ... did not come into this young lady's life ... sombodey who could convince her that she had the ability ... with guidance ... to provide the stable environment she desired for her son ... the stable environment that she was denied.

Janet

+++++


Update: Family member says mom of missing baby wanted him in stable home
Last Update: 8:44 am 


SAN ANTONIO -- The mother of a missing baby is reportedly working with the F.B.I. on a sketch of the couple she allegedly gave the child to in San Antonio.

Elizabeth Johnson remains in a Florida jail. She told authorities she gave her 8-month-old son Gabriel to a couple she met with at Raymond Russell Park.

Gabriel's great-grandfather says Elizabeth did not want to be a mother but wanted her baby to be in a stable home.

"She didn't want him to be brought up in a life like she had, where she was in 5 foster homes," explained Robert Johnson.


The F.B.I., San Antonio Police and officers from Arizona are all involved in the search for Gabriel Johnson. They are hoping to take Elizabeth Johnson back to Arizona next week.

http://www.woai.com/mostpopular/story/Update-Family-member-says-mom-of-missing-baby/1gW7IWXbyk-ZzYrCnWVD1g.cspx


BUMPED!!


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 08, 2010, 08:34:01 PM
Tammi says EJ told her on Dec 26 that she had found a domestic violence shelter and that was her plan.  Tammi says she has a friend in Nashville that works with attorneys call EJ and plead to her to go back to Tempe.  Tammi had her attorney call EJ and and plead to EJ  to go back to Tempe and go to court on Monday Dec 28th.  Tammi thinks the teen hostile in Miami was what she was talking about.

****Note: When the Victoria TX cell ping was info was realeased in the media two days ago, it was said that the ping occurred on Dec 26.  If Tammi is truthful then EJ may have been in Victoria TX when she was getting all these calls. 


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 08, 2010, 08:38:46 PM
Police are getting a flurry of tips from Nashville. Not known if the sightings were EJ and Gabriel or just Gabriel.   EJ has no known ties to Nashville but Jack and Tammi do. 
Smiths have no landline only cell phones.  All the text and phone logs were copied and given to LE.  Info that EJ had a Garmin GPS  given to Police last night from Tammi. 

GO MARK    ::MonkeyGavel::  - he mentioned that FB posting was Dec 23  and tonight Tammi said she wrote it on Dec 26.  Mark does not understand why the Smiths are still involved! 


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 08, 2010, 08:40:17 PM
Jack says that they go on TV because they held Gabriel for 8 days and that they do not give their love away easy and they love Gabriel . 


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: no rose colored glasses on January 08, 2010, 08:43:11 PM
Jack says that they go on TV because they held Gabriel for 8 days and that they do not give their love away easy and they love Gabriel . 
  ::MonkeyEek:: sure.  Elizabeth's a good mom because Gabriels shot records are up to date ::MonkeyRoll::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 08, 2010, 08:45:40 PM
We don't want custody of Gabriel if he was found, it can't happen and won't happen because his father has custody. And that's where he belongs. He belongs with his father!  ::MonkeyEek::

What a big switch from her saying neither of the parents should have the Gabriel . 

Northern Rose

These two are changing their tune about a lot of things.  They know they are knee deep in that stuff which underwrites their lifestyle.

 ::MonkeyMad::

Janet


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 08, 2010, 08:46:00 PM
My post went poof . When caller asked why they attacked Logan Tammi looked pizzed.  Jack said all they have is the facts that EJ went to every parenting class and all of Gabriel's immunization where up to date. 


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: no rose colored glasses on January 08, 2010, 08:48:27 PM
Since I don't know much about this kind of thing, if Gabriel is in Mexico, what are the chances of him being found and brought back here?


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 08, 2010, 08:48:50 PM
Last know whereabouts are from her cell phone pings heading towards the Mexican border.  Tammi says it was on Dec 27th.  That is the day that EJ said her cell was going dead and would not talk to Tammi.  Tammi said she went two hours south and then back up to San Antonio to catch a bus.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: no rose colored glasses on January 08, 2010, 08:49:37 PM
Last know whereabouts are from her cell phone pings heading towards the Mexican border.  Tammi says it was on Dec 27th.  That is the day that EJ said her cell was going dead and would not talk to Tammi.  Tammi said she went two hours south and then back up to San Antonio to catch a bus.
So the baby could very well be in Mexico?


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 08, 2010, 08:56:07 PM
Tammi-FB about underground message on her wall .  Tammi  says she felt and was  threatened by Logan.  Tammi wrote that to make sure Logan  knew they were not interested in Gabriel anymore.  EJ was to go to a place for abused mothers.  EJ had mentioned to Tammi that it was a domestic violence shelter and EJ had used the word underground.  EJ told Tammi she found a adomestic violence shelter but did not say it was in San Antonio. 


Wasn't EJ the one charged with the domestic abuse? or accused of it. Why did she feel she had to go to another state to go in a shelter. This makes no sense at all.

Yes.  Logan even had a restraining order against her that he had taken off as EJ was playing nice and then she trashed the apartment again including windows and TV.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 08, 2010, 08:58:41 PM
Since I don't know much about this kind of thing, if Gabriel is in Mexico, what are the chances of him being found and brought back here?

I would think very slim.  Edward is the expert on this he would be the one to ask. 


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: seahorse on January 08, 2010, 08:59:26 PM
Homepage / Nashville NewsE-Mail Alerts | RSS8:56pm | January 8, 2010

 

 

 
Nashville Tie Explored In Missing Baby Case
2 Tenn. Connections Lead FBI Agents To Focus On Nashville
Reported By Deanna Lambert

POSTED: 6:15 pm CST January 8, 2010
UPDATED: 7:53 pm CST January 8, 2010

 ::MonkeyBike::

snip...

NASHVILLE, Tenn. -- A nationwide search for a missing baby has sent agents to Nashville. The FBI has been trying to determine if the 8-month-old baby boy, named Gabriel Johnson, could have been in the city at some point.

Arizona Case May Have Tie To Nashville 
 
 


On Thursday authorities in Tempe, Ariz., said a couple who used to live and work in middle Tennessee may know something more about the child.

The couple have said they wanted to adopt the child and spent significant time getting to know the baby, even taking pictures with Gabriel and their own 4-year-old daughter in their home.

Police said Gabriel Johnson was last seen with his mother, Elizabeth Johnson, Dec. 26 in San Antonio. Four days later, Elizabeth was arrested in Miami, Fla., for failing to show up at a custody hearing in Arizona.

Gabriel was nowhere to be found.

Police later recovered the 23-year-old mother's car with a baby seat in the back outside a hotel.

The day after Johnson was arrested in Florida, FBI agents in Nashville were called.

“We were called by FBI agents in Miami and asked to check out an address here in Nashville," said Keith Moses, assistant special agent in charge. "We went and knocked on the door, interviewed occupants and, at this point, were unable to locate the child.”

Tempe police are now focusing on Tammi and Jack Smith.

In 2004, Tammi opened her first colon hydrotherapy clinic, "Healing Waters," on Central Court in Hermitage. Three years later, she sold it and moved back home to Arizona. Her former business is now called "Cleansing Concepts" and is owned by a woman who used to work with Smith.

Channel 4 spoke with that woman by phone. She said she's shocked to hear Smith and her husband have been named persons of interests in the case. She also said she just spoke with Tammi about a week ago and she knew she was trying to adopt.

Police in Tempe, Ariz., are focusing on the Smiths because they believe the couple know more about the baby's whereabouts than they are saying.

Authorities in Tennessee will continue to help.

“We've found no indication that Gabriel has been in the area, but because of the two ties we have with Elizabeth Johnson and Tammi Smith, obviously we're going to make sure every stone is uncovered that we can to find this boy,” said Moses.

The FBI could not elaborate on where the house was it searched or how the occupants knew Johnson.

As for the baby's father, Logan McQueary, he's the one who first reported his son missing to police. Authorities believe the child is alive.

The Smiths have cooperated with police and said they have nothing to hide.

If you think you have seen Gabriel Johnson, you're asked to call the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children at 1-800-THE-LOST OR 1-800-843-5678.
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Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 08, 2010, 09:04:48 PM
Since I don't know much about this kind of thing, if Gabriel is in Mexico, what are the chances of him being found and brought back here?

If the "underground" is legit and ... their motivation for taking Gabriel under under their care  was to protect him from what they were led to believe was an unsafe environment ... I somehow believe he will be returned.  With all the publicity exposing Elizabeth's lies ... I am concerned it hasn't happened yet.

Could it be that Elizabeth's separation from Gabriel was meant to be temporary ... a separation that would allow her to obtain new identification and rejoin him?  However ... the  apprehension that was not anticipated took place.  Is she now just waiting it out in jail until a release can be obtained and ... than she will hook up with the "underground" and be reunited with her son.

Elizabeth Morgan's story is a must read.

Janet

++++++++

BOB JOHNSON

Johnson's Grandfather Thinks She's Lying
UPDATED: 11:22 am MST January 7, 2010


"She had this cockamamie idea that she was going to change her Social Security number and name and his Social Security number and name and run forever," Bob Johnson said.

http://www.kpho.com/news/22168065/detail.html


TAMMI SMITH

NANCY GRACE
New Developments in Missing Baby Gabriel Case
Aired January 6, 2010 - 20:00:00   ET


UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: The Smiths believe the baby is safe and that his mother, now behind bars, will never say where.

T. SMITH: She loved that baby enough that I believe, I believe, that she would probably stay in jail the rest of her life to make sure he was safe from the person that she wants to keep him from.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1001/06/ng.01.html


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 08, 2010, 09:11:45 PM
Since I don't know much about this kind of thing, if Gabriel is in Mexico, what are the chances of him being found and brought back here?

I would think very slim.  Edward is the expert on this he would be the one to ask. 

I left Edward a message on Amber's thread.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: no rose colored glasses on January 08, 2010, 09:12:07 PM
Since I don't know much about this kind of thing, if Gabriel is in Mexico, what are the chances of him being found and brought back here?

I would think very slim.  Edward is the expert on this he would be the one to ask. 

I left Edward a message on Amber's thread.
Thank-you


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 08, 2010, 09:41:38 PM
The arrest documents indicated that the last known cell ping was from Victoria TX heading to the Mexican border. 

The three routes that came up show it is a 3hour drive one way regardless of which way she went.  EJ was seen on the  Motel 6 video at approx 11:45 on Dec 27th so that means that she would have to leave Victoria TX at around 8:00am.

Gabriel was last seen on Dec 26th at Raymond Russel Park in San Antonio where EJ says she met the mystery couple wife named Cheryl.  EJ also claimed she stayed with this mystery couple for 3 days but that does not fit into the timeline unless it was before this sighting.

It would take 3 hours to get to Victoria TX so if she went on Dec 27 and turned back around to catch her bus she would have had to leave SA before 5:00am.  I am thinking she went to the park to meet up with someone on Dec 26th.  They gave her a location to go to in Mexico/Victoria that day and she drove to Victoria on the 26th after her park sighting.  Court documents show her heading toward the Mexican border.  It takes 17 minutes to get to the Mexican border from Victoria.  She unofficially checked out of her hotel on Dec 27th.  I am thinking after she was done at the border on the 26th she drove back to San Antonio without Gabriel, stayed one more night at her hotel, then drove to the Hotel 6 to ditch the car and catch her bus. 


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: no rose colored glasses on January 08, 2010, 09:50:59 PM
So are you thinking she met someone in the park, and they told her to head towards Victoria, and there she handed the baby off to someone? I keep going back and forth with this, one moment I feel she handed the baby over, the next I think she killed the baby. I'm concerned about a postpartum depressed woman off her meds  ::MonkeyNoNo:: And if she handed the baby over, someone, somewhere is going to notice a couple with a baby, who didn't have one before. I suppose for awhile they can say they adopted him, but eventually a doctor or a neighbor/family member is going to become suspicious. One other thing that is bothering me, when you do this baby brokering thing, how does one know the couple have good intentions and really want a baby, and not some other motive....you don't.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: darla on January 08, 2010, 10:05:02 PM
Northern I see where you are coming from....but one more question....If she was only in Texas for 5 days.spent 3 of them at this Cheryl place, why 2 different hotels? Do we know how many nights she was suppose to have stayed at the hotels?


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 08, 2010, 10:05:08 PM
So are you thinking she met someone in the park, and they told her to head towards Victoria, and there she handed the baby off to someone? I keep going back and forth with this, one moment I feel she handed the baby over, the next I think she killed the baby. I'm concerned about a postpartum depressed woman off her meds  ::MonkeyNoNo:: And if she handed the baby over, someone, somewhere is going to notice a couple with a baby, who didn't have one before. I suppose for awhile they can say they adopted him, but eventually a doctor or a neighbor/family member is going to become suspicious. One other thing that is bothering me, when you do this baby brokering thing, how does one know the couple have good intentions and really want a baby, and not some other motive....you don't.

I cannot see her driving 3 hours one way and 3 hours back for no real purpose.  She had to go there for a reason and by all accounts she was not the "mother" figure. I do not see her taking Gabriel to a park for Gabriel.   If she left Gabriel in the same spot that Logan kissed him goodbye in the morning till he got home from work at night with no diaper change or bottle, why would she take Gabriel  to a park other than a reason for her. If she did harm Gabriel after being sighted in the park there are closer places she could have disposed of Gabriel  then driving 3 hours and heading toward Mexico and then 3 hours back.  Round trip she would have to be driving for 6 hours.  To me the only thing that makes sense is that she drove to Victoria for a purpose and Gabriel was the key to that purpose. This whole multi-state trip was about ensuring that Logan never saw Gabriel again.  The park sighting was to meet someone or pick up something, which  then told her to go somewhere toward the Mexican border by Victoria with a live Gabriel or was the key to something  (map, directions, keyword....etc.) that she needed to take with her to Victoria.  All JMO


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: darla on January 08, 2010, 10:06:42 PM
Well that was two questions, I am sure the cops know where she stayed and how long, just wondering if that has been released. Like all of her stories, this does not add up


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 08, 2010, 10:07:03 PM
So are you thinking she met someone in the park, and they told her to head towards Victoria, and there she handed the baby off to someone? I keep going back and forth with this, one moment I feel she handed the baby over, the next I think she killed the baby. I'm concerned about a postpartum depressed woman off her meds  ::MonkeyNoNo:: And if she handed the baby over, someone, somewhere is going to notice a couple with a baby, who didn't have one before. I suppose for awhile they can say they adopted him, but eventually a doctor or a neighbor/family member is going to become suspicious. One other thing that is bothering me, when you do this baby brokering thing, how does one know the couple have good intentions and really want a baby, and not some other motive....you don't.

I think Northern Rose may be on to something.  Only I believe the separate was suppose to be temporary.  Please read my last post.

I am about to watch Nancy Grace again ... on the little TV in the bedroom.  I hope I do not fall asleep.  Hubby claims one NG in an evening is enough and the History Channel is where it is at on the large screen TV.  I will not complain.  I pick my battles.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Later, Janet
7:05 PM PT   


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 08, 2010, 10:07:08 PM
Northern I see where you are coming from....but one more question....If she was only in Texas for 5 days.spent 3 of them at this Cheryl place, why 2 different hotels? Do we know how many nights she was suppose to have stayed at the hotels?

3 nights in one, 2 nights in the other, unofficially checked out of both.  The 3 day stay with Cheryl is a crock of sh*t IMO.  There is no time in the timeline to fit that in unless it was at the very beginning of her roadtrip.   


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Mere on January 08, 2010, 10:07:10 PM
Northern Rose....regarding the time from Victoria, Tx to the Mexican border....I think it might be more like 3 hours, but could be wrong...going from memory as I
drove that route.  The Gulf of Mexico is close to Victoria.

Thanks for all you are doing.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: mymonkey on January 08, 2010, 10:07:13 PM
So are you thinking she met someone in the park, and they told her to head towards Victoria, and there she handed the baby off to someone? I keep going back and forth with this, one moment I feel she handed the baby over, the next I think she killed the baby. I'm concerned about a postpartum depressed woman off her meds  ::MonkeyNoNo:: And if she handed the baby over, someone, somewhere is going to notice a couple with a baby, who didn't have one before. I suppose for awhile they can say they adopted him, but eventually a doctor or a neighbor/family member is going to become suspicious. One other thing that is bothering me, when you do this baby brokering thing, how does one know the couple have good intentions and really want a baby, and not some other motive....you don't.

NRCG...when I listened to the interview EJ  did by phone with the reporter from jail....that he was adopted....now why would she say that if she supposedly gave him away...adoption would mean papers in my mind, so I think she had a slip of the tongue when she said this knowing he was given to someone else such as a babybroker to be adopted.....did what I just wrote make sense ::MonkeyWink:: I wish someone elese would relisten and see they get the same.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 08, 2010, 10:08:28 PM
Northern Rose....regarding the time from Victoria, Tx to the Mexican border....I think it might be more like 3 hours, but could be wrong...going from memory as I
drove that route.  The Gulf of Mexico is close to Victoria.

Thanks for all you are doing.

I may have looked at the state border and not the Mexican border.  Thanks!  I will look at that again. 


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 08, 2010, 10:22:22 PM
Northern Rose....regarding the time from Victoria, Tx to the Mexican border....I think it might be more like 3 hours, but could be wrong...going from memory as I
drove that route.  The Gulf of Mexico is close to Victoria.

Thanks for all you are doing.

Mere is the best! Ignore my times from Victoria to the border , the 17 minutes is way off unless you have a transporter machine. I just took another look and it is at least 6 hours from Victoria to the International  Bridge at the Mexican border.  3 hours from San Antonio to Victoria then add 6 hours from Victoria to the Mexican border if indeed EJ went to the border. 

Interestingly, what I mistook for the border crossing at the county line is in fact a storage facility/5th wheel parking.  That is minutes away from the Coleto Creek Reservoir where there is a dam and a huge amount of water as well as very secluded camping facilities. 


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 08, 2010, 10:26:10 PM
Northern I see where you are coming from....but one more question....If she was only in Texas for 5 days.spent 3 of them at this Cheryl place, why 2 different hotels? Do we know how many nights she was suppose to have stayed at the hotels?

3 nights in one, 2 nights in the other, unofficially checked out of both.  The 3 day stay with Cheryl is a crock of sh*t IMO.  There is no time in the timeline to fit that in unless it was at the very beginning of her roadtrip.   

Sorry I missed your second question.  Nothing has been said about why two hotels. Tammi however claims EJ paid for the entire week in advance which would imply one hotel 5 days.  The media has been saying two hotels , 3 days at one 2 days at another. 


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Mere on January 08, 2010, 10:33:27 PM
Hi again.....you can get to Laredo, TX in 3+ hours and to McAllen, TX in 4+ hours...
and I believe you can cross over at both places.

I remember a lot of open territory in southern Texas....with farms and large ranches.

Someone could sit tight there for a long time which is not encouraging.  I do hope
that those who know will begin to talk.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 08, 2010, 10:38:03 PM
Victoria TX to the REAL Mexican border is almost 5 hours for the shortest route (as opposed to the 17 minutes that I first had to the new and special border that I just created  ::MonkeyJnBox:: )

Interesting, if her destination was Mexico, EJ would not have gone from Victoria.  San Antonio to Mexico is only 2.5 hours so why drive 3 hours to Victoria and then another 5 hours to Mexico if you could have gotten there from San Antonio directly in only 2.5 hours?  I am believing mroe and more that Victoria TX is where Gabriel and EJ were last together.   


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 08, 2010, 10:40:48 PM
Hi again.....you can get to Laredo, TX in 3+ hours and to McAllen, TX in 4+ hours...
and I believe you can cross over at both places.

I remember a lot of open territory in southern Texas....with farms and large ranches.

Someone could sit tight there for a long time which is not encouraging.  I do hope
that those who know will begin to talk.

There sure is a lot of nothing in some places and the border looks like you could cross over almost anywhere if you wanted, just not officially.  What do you think would be in Victoria that compelled EJ to take a 6 hour round trip ? 


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 08, 2010, 11:08:48 PM
The Nancy Grace from tonight has already been posted!!!!

LEGAL FORMALITIES??  Maybe Gabriel was put up for adoption ... a closed adoption.  On the other hand ... maybe this "underground" group was providing new identities for Gabriel and Elizabeth.

Janet

+++++++

NANCY GRACE
Smiths Take Polygraphs in Missing Baby Gabriel Case
Aired January 8, 2010 - 20:00:00   ET


CASAREZ: OK. I`ve got to ask you about a FaceBook entry. I want to show everybody that this is a FaceBook industry, and it is from a Tammi Peters Smith, which would be you...

TAMMI SMITH: Me.

JEAN CASAREZ, GUEST HOST: ... and it is from December 23rd, 2009. And it says in part, quote, "Please keep praying for Gabriel and his Mommy`s safety on the road. She found an underground help in Texas that has given her formula, diapers, et cetera, and all the legal formalities. Keep praying for his safety."
Did you write that, Tammi?

TAMMI SMITH: Yes, I wrote that.

CASAREZ: What do you mean by it?

TAMMI SMITH: OK. What I meant by that is -- OK, I was being -- I don`t want to -- I don`t want to -- I don`t want to talk bad about Logan, OK? But I was somewhat threatened by Logan, and I wanted to make sure he understood because we talked back and forth -- wanted to make sure he understood that -- and in the beginning of that, you`ll see that we`re going to -- you know, we`re going to do our, you know, classes to be foster parents and all that.

So I wanted to make sure he knew that we are not interested in his son anymore. And secondly, before Elizabeth went missing, she let us know that she was going to a domestic violence shelter that was going to take care of her, the baby, and everything that they needed. And so I wanted to make sure that he knew that we`re out of it. We don`t want any part of her or the baby or you. And that was my way because the last time me and Logan spoke, he hung up on me, and I couldn`t tell him that. So that was me publicly letting him know. And I think anybody would want to pray for them, too, on the road.

CASAREZ: But you said she found an underground, "underground help."

TAMMI SMITH: Right.

CASAREZ: That denotes something illegal, something not aboveboard.

TAMMI SMITH: OK. Well, she had mentioned to me the word "underground," and she mentioned that -- at first, she mentioned that it was a domestic violence shelter. And she had used the word "underground" maybe once in the conversation. And instead of saying "domestic violence," I didn`t want that to make Logan think that I was trying to say he was violent towards her...

CASAREZ: So you`re -- you`re saying that...

TAMMI SMITH: ... because as far as I know, he was not.

CASAREZ: ... she told you she found a domestic violence shelter in San Antonio?

TAMMI SMITH: She didn`t say it was in San Antonio, but yes.

<snipped>

CASAREZ: Are you concerned about the baby?

J. SMITH: Well, of course.

T. SMITH: Yes.

J. SMITH: Of course, we are.

T. SMITH: I mean, I really believe in my heart he`s alive and he`s with a family like she`s saying. I just don`t believe that it happened like she`s saying. There`s a lot of other things that I`ve -- we`ve been talking about all day that leads us to believe that she knew exactly where she was going before she left.  

CASAREZ: Where do you think the baby is? Do you think the baby is in San Antonio?

T. SMITH: No, I think he`s in Victoria or somewhere around there.

<snipped>

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1001/08/ng.01.html





Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 08, 2010, 11:12:22 PM
IN A NUTSHELL!!![/b]

NANCY GRACE
Smiths Take Polygraphs in Missing Baby Gabriel Case
Aired January 8, 2010 - 20:00:00   ET


PATRICIA SAUNDERS, CLINICAL PSYCHOLOGIST: Well, there are a lot of contradictions in their stories and now I think they`re trying to be do- gooders and make right by this, because a lot of other facts have emerged.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1001/08/ng.01.html


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: darla on January 08, 2010, 11:14:03 PM
I found this on Tammi's Healing waters myspace page. I have been in church since I was a baby, and I have read the Bible front to back and was not aware that when Jesus was crucified that he went to hell when he died. Am I wrong?






Heroes
All of my children, my husband, my sisters and Jesus Christ...He didn't have to die on that cross, all he had to do was say the word. but he chose to be tourchered and be put to death and go to hell to fight Satin, just to save us from our sins...So Jesus is my biggest hero of all!


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 08, 2010, 11:21:44 PM
THE GPS

NANCY GRACE
Smiths Take Polygraphs in Missing Baby Gabriel Case
Aired January 8, 2010 - 20:00:00   ET


TAMMI SMITH: I can give you some of the information, but some I cannot. One piece of information is when Elizabeth left, she had a Garmin, which is a navigation system, hooked up in her car and turned on. And when we met up, this was a place where she told us to meet her so there was no reason to have it turned on.

And from what Yami says, her cell phone was -- had a signal in Victoria, Texas, and that was the day that she went missing. And that was the day that she actually got on the bus. So if she had to drive two hours south from San Antonio, why did she drive two hours south down to Victoria, and then drive back up to San Antonio, and then get on a bus to go to Miami? That leads us to believe that that baby is in Victoria.

CASAREZ: And what day was the cell phone significance from Victoria, Texas? What day was that?

TAMMI SMITH: Sunday the 27th. And that was the day that she would not communicate with me by verbal. She only communicated by texting and telling me that she was out of range because she was driving.

CASAREZ: To Matt Zarrell, NANCY GRACE producer. When we look at December 27th, tell me if I`m wrong, isn`t that the day she left on the bus to go to Florida?

MATT ZARRELL, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER: Yes. And not only that, Jean, that`s also the day that she sent the text message to the bio dad saying she killed the baby.

<snipped>

CASAREZ: Had they told you anything about that GPS that you say was on Elizabeth Johnson`s car? If it was the type that would have capability of showing exactly where she rode, if it was on, or if it wasn`t on?

T. SMITH: No, I just told Detective Ramirez about it last night, and I told the other detectives about it today. Because I just -- after talking to Yani yesterday afternoon I was in a rush to get here and didn`t know the directions and I was like, oh my gosh, my GPS is dead.

And then I turned and said, oh my god, she had a GPS in her car. And so it goes from there.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1001/08/ng.01.html




Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 08, 2010, 11:27:55 PM
Police seek information on missing 8-month-old

STORY HIGHLIGHTS
Gabriel Johnson hasn't been seen since December 26
Child's mother is in police custody but won't say where he is
Arizona couple says they discussed plan to adopt Gabriel
Police believe they know more than they're saying

RELATED TOPICS
Missing Children
Arizona
Nancy Grace
(CNN) -- An Arizona couple who wanted to adopt a woman's baby know more than they're saying about the 8-month-old boy's disappearance, police say.

Gabriel Johnson hasn't been seen since December 26, police said, and his mother was arrested last week in Miami Beach, Florida, after not reporting for a December 28 child custody hearing in Arizona.

"We have some good indications at this point with our investigation that Tammi and Jack Smith do know more information than they have provided to us that could possibly lead us to Gabriel," Sgt. Steve Carbajal, spokesman for the Tempe (Arizona) Police Department, told HLN's Nancy Grace on Thursday.

The Smiths say they met Elizabeth Johnson, 23, seven months ago during a long layover at an airport, and later the three discussed a plan to adopt Johnson's child, Gabriel.

But the boy's father, Logan McQueary, has legal custody and has said Elizabeth Johnson urged him to sign papers giving the Smiths custody of the boy, but he refused.

"She didn't want Logan to have the baby, and we couldn't adopt the baby because Logan wouldn't sign the papers," Tammi Smith said on "Nancy Grace."

"So her idea was to just keep running forever. And we told her, 'You can't run forever. They're going to find you.' "

Elizabeth Johnson has refused to say where the boy is, according to police, and remains in a Florida jail on suspicion of custodial interference.

Carbajal's department has indications that Gabriel is alive, he said, adding that the Smiths have spoken with investigators. But he declined to say why police believe that the couple has more information.

The Smiths say they do not know where Gabriel is.

Detectives have not been able to confirm that Johnson gave the child to an unidentified couple in San Antonio, Texas, as she has claimed.

"On one hand, we hear that that went down and the child was given away to an unknown couple at a park," Carbajal said.

"We balance that with statements made by Elizabeth that she killed Gabriel. Which story is true? Our investigators are trying to get to the bottom of that right now."

New leads and developments in the case were coming in by the minute, he said. The FBI found Johnson's car in San Antonio and have examined it for any clues that could lead them to the boy, but his whereabouts remain unknown.

Anyone with more information is asked to call the Tempe Police Department at 480-350-8311 or the National Center for Missing & Exploited Children at 1-800-THE-LOST.

http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/01/08/arizona.missing.baby/


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 08, 2010, 11:29:18 PM
I found this on Tammi's Healing waters myspace page. I have been in church since I was a baby, and I have read the Bible front to back and was not aware that when Jesus was crucified that he went to hell when he died. Am I wrong?


Heroes
All of my children, my husband, my sisters and Jesus Christ...He didn't have to die on that cross, all he had to do was say the word. but he chose to be tourchered and be put to death and go to hell to fight Satin, just to save us from our sins...So Jesus is my biggest hero of all!

Darla

I do not adhere to that doctrine but ... many do.

I suggest that you try some googling on the topic.

Janet

++++++



Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 08, 2010, 11:31:48 PM
'Persons of interest' in Tempe case take polygraph test (new video)

<snipped the rest looks like old news>

TEMPE, AZ – Two people named 'persons of interest' in the disappearance of a missing Tempe child say the have taken a polygraph test.

Tammi and Jack Smith said they were willing to take the examination after being named suspects on Thursday.

Police spokesperson Steve Carbajal confirmed Tammi then took the exam late Friday, but did not release any further details. It is unknown when Jack took the test.

According to Carbajal, investigators believe the Smiths have undisclosed information that will lead them to baby Gabriel Johnson.

"We should have been persons of interest from day one," said Jack Smith. "We are persons of interest. We were probably the last people to see Gabriel before he left town."

The Smiths had apparently tried to adopt the 8-month-old from mother Elizabeth Johnson last month, but Gabriel's father, Logan McQuary refused to sign the adoption papers.........


Johnson has a history of eratic behavior.

In September of 2009, police arrested Johnson for criminal damage.

According to a police report, Johnson broke several of her apartment's windows and mirrors, destroyed a television, and a video game system.

The report also said she used a knife to cut McQueary's clothes.

Then in December of 2009, another police report revealed Johnson called police and told them McQueary had taken Gabriel and would no give him back.
Police later accused Johnson of filing a false police report after learning Johnson herself gave Gabriel to Tammi and Jack Smith.


http://www.abc15.com/content/news/southeastvalley/tempe/story/Persons-of-interest-in-Tempe-case-take-polygraph/xgsbK2cK80iD5ZWBC0ifjg.cspx


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 08, 2010, 11:36:33 PM
Tempe mom of missing child could face charges

The Tempe mother of a missing 8-month-old boy who told her boyfriend she killed their son could be facing charges of providing false information to law enforcement after accusing the father of taking the child during an unrelated incident last month.

Elizabeth Johnson, 23, had left her son, Gabriel Johnson, with Tammi and Jack Smith of Scottsdale for at least six hours on Dec. 9, but she accused Logan Scott McQueary, 25, of taking him, according to a Tempe police report.


The Smiths, who had expressed an interest in adopting the baby, were named by Tempe police on Thursday as persons of interest in the case. Authorities believe the Smiths are withholding information on Gabriel's whereabouts.

Johnson, who was last seen with Gabriel in San Antonio, Texas on Dec. 26, was arrested in Miami Beach, Fla., on Dec. 30 without the child. Johnson had called and text messaged McQueary on Dec. 27 and told him she had killed the baby and left its body in a dumpster inside a baby bag. She is not cooperating with authorities in the search of the child, according to police.

Johnson told McQueary in the messages that she was leaving the country and would tell McQueary where the body of the baby was when she did, according to a Maricopa County Superior Court document.

Authorities are investigating whether Johnson gave the baby away. The Smiths had expressed interest in adopting Gabriel, but McQueary said he wanted to keep his son and did not sign any adoption papers.

Johnson had placed an ad on craigslist seeking a nanny to take the baby, according to the police report taken when she left the baby with the Smiths. Charges are pending from Tempe city prosecutors, according to the report.

Johnson lost custody of Gabriel to McQueary when she failed to appear for a custody hearing in Maricopa County Superior Court on Dec. 28, according to court records.

The Smiths on Thursday offered to take a polygraph test, but Tempe police confirmed on Friday that investigators only questioned the couple.

Johnson currently is being held without bail in the Dade County (Fla.) Jail and is scheduled to attend an extradition hearing in Dade County Superior Court on Jan. 19.

http://www.eastvalleytribune.com/story/149285


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 08, 2010, 11:39:29 PM
Nashville Tie Explored In Missing Baby Case
2 Tenn. Connections Lead FBI Agents To Focus On Nashville  (with video)

NASHVILLE, Tenn. -- A nationwide search for a missing baby has sent agents to Nashville. The FBI has been trying to determine if the 8-month-old baby boy, named Gabriel Johnson, could have been in the city at some point.

On Thursday authorities in Tempe, Ariz., said a couple who used to live and work in middle Tennessee may know something more about the child.

The couple have said they wanted to adopt the child and spent significant time getting to know the baby, even taking pictures with Gabriel and their own 4-year-old daughter in their home.

Police said Gabriel Johnson was last seen with his mother, Elizabeth Johnson, Dec. 26 in San Antonio. Four days later, Elizabeth was arrested in Miami, Fla., for failing to show up at a custody hearing in Arizona.

Gabriel was nowhere to be found.

Police later recovered the 23-year-old mother's car with a baby seat in the back outside a hotel.

The day after Johnson was arrested in Florida, FBI agents in Nashville were called.

“We were called by FBI agents in Miami and asked to check out an address here in Nashville," said Keith Moses, assistant special agent in charge. "We went and knocked on the door, interviewed occupants and, at this point, were unable to locate the child.”

Tempe police are now focusing on Tammi and Jack Smith.

MORE....

http://www.wsmv.com/news/22189120/detail.html


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Mere on January 08, 2010, 11:43:01 PM
Northern Rose....so sorry....I was totally frozen and could not answer you. 

Re the reason for Victoria...really do not know.  I remember it as a smallish Texas town
and when checking the links, a high mexican population....but who really thinks the
baby has gone to Mexico...?  He might well be right there in Victoria.

Daughter went to college in San Antonio and had friends in Victoria.  Wish I could
help but really know nothing of the underground...or baby brokers for that matter.

Again...thanks.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 08, 2010, 11:57:23 PM
Northern Rose....so sorry....I was totally frozen and could not answer you. 

Re the reason for Victoria...really do not know.  I remember it as a smallish Texas town
and when checking the links, a high mexican population....but who really thinks the
baby has gone to Mexico...?  He might well be right there in Victoria.

Daughter went to college in San Antonio and had friends in Victoria.  Wish I could
help but really know nothing of the underground...or baby brokers for that matter.

Again...thanks.

I am just curious if Victoria has something special (festival, crafts, parties, cheap clothes etc)  that would cause her to go there.  I do not know TX other than two trips , both to Plano.  Was wondering if there is something that would cause her to go there other than connected to Gabriel. 


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: leslee on January 09, 2010, 12:17:58 AM
This is so frustrating. On the one hand we have the Smiths who have interjected themselves in this case put their mugs all over the media ..... why? Did they initiate this to do damage control before it was found out. Did they realize " We've got stuff all over the net that people will find out about"? Is that why they are running the shows? Initially they tried to put Logan in a bad light, now they back off. Are they realizing EJ lied to them about Logan being abusive? IF Gabriel is in "the underground" and I do believe those places exist and are necessary for desperate people to use and I do believe those who are involved in" the underground" are doing it for the right reasons protecting innocents, but they do not live underground. Surely someone from the network of underground society has heard about this story, has seen that EJ is not stable and can be violent I think someone would have come forward anonymously and dropped Gabriel off somewhere by now. That would allow them to protect the integrity of their operation. The fact that NOBODY has come forward by now leads me to believe that Gabriel may not be on Earth anymore :(


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 09, 2010, 12:31:58 AM
This is so frustrating. On the one hand we have the Smiths who have interjected themselves in this case put their mugs all over the media ..... why? Did they initiate this to do damage control before it was found out. Did they realize " We've got stuff all over the net that people will find out about"? Is that why they are running the shows? Initially they tried to put Logan in a bad light, now they back off. Are they realizing EJ lied to them about Logan being abusive? IF Gabriel is in "the underground" and I do believe those places exist and are necessary for desperate people to use and I do believe those who are involved in" the underground" are doing it for the right reasons protecting innocents, but they do not live underground. Surely someone from the network of underground society has heard about this story, has seen that EJ is not stable and can be violent I think someone would have come forward anonymously and dropped Gabriel off somewhere by now. That would allow them to protect the integrity of their operation. The fact that NOBODY has come forward by now leads me to believe that Gabriel may not be on Earth anymore  :(

Leslee ... I am inclined to believe every word of your post but ... I hope we are wrong in our thoughts regarding Gabriel not being with us any more.

Janet


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 09, 2010, 12:32:06 AM
This is so frustrating. On the one hand we have the Smiths who have interjected themselves in this case put their mugs all over the media ..... why? Did they initiate this to do damage control before it was found out. Did they realize " We've got stuff all over the net that people will find out about"? Is that why they are running the shows? Initially they tried to put Logan in a bad light, now they back off. Are they realizing EJ lied to them about Logan being abusive? IF Gabriel is in "the underground" and I do believe those places exist and are necessary for desperate people to use and I do believe those who are involved in" the underground" are doing it for the right reasons protecting innocents, but they do not live underground. Surely someone from the network of underground society has heard about this story, has seen that EJ is not stable and can be violent I think someone would have come forward anonymously and dropped Gabriel off somewhere by now. That would allow them to protect the integrity of their operation. The fact that NOBODY has come forward by now leads me to believe that Gabriel may not be on Earth anymore :(

I am torn as well. I keep thinking the same way, if the underground who does protect mothers and children have Gabriel , he would have shown up at a hospital or firestaion by now.  I am assuming there are good undergrounds and bad undergrounds.  If she found the underground through the internet, she may have handed Gabriel over to child pornographers. 


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 09, 2010, 12:35:28 AM
This is so frustrating. On the one hand we have the Smiths who have interjected themselves in this case put their mugs all over the media ..... why? Did they initiate this to do damage control before it was found out. Did they realize " We've got stuff all over the net that people will find out about"? Is that why they are running the shows? Initially they tried to put Logan in a bad light, now they back off. Are they realizing EJ lied to them about Logan being abusive? IF Gabriel is in "the underground" and I do believe those places exist and are necessary for desperate people to use and I do believe those who are involved in" the underground" are doing it for the right reasons protecting innocents, but they do not live underground. Surely someone from the network of underground society has heard about this story, has seen that EJ is not stable and can be violent I think someone would have come forward anonymously and dropped Gabriel off somewhere by now. That would allow them to protect the integrity of their operation. The fact that NOBODY has come forward by now leads me to believe that Gabriel may not be on Earth anymore :(

I am torn as well. I keep thinking the same way, if the underground who does protect mothers and children have Gabriel , he would have shown up at a hospital or firestaion by now.  I am assuming there are good undergrounds and bad undergrounds.  If she found the underground through the internet, she may have handed Gabriel over to child pornographers. 

 ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 09, 2010, 12:37:26 AM
Good Night All.

Maybe tomorrow ...

Janet
9:35 PM


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Mere on January 09, 2010, 12:40:54 AM
Northern Rose....so sorry....I was totally frozen and could not answer you. 

Re the reason for Victoria...really do not know.  I remember it as a smallish Texas town
and when checking the links, a high mexican population....but who really thinks the
baby has gone to Mexico...?  He might well be right there in Victoria.

Daughter went to college in San Antonio and had friends in Victoria.  Wish I could
help but really know nothing of the underground...or baby brokers for that matter.

Again...thanks.

I am just curious if Victoria has something special (festival, crafts, parties, cheap clothes etc)  that would cause her to go there.  I do not know TX other than two trips , both to Plano.  Was wondering if there is something that would cause her to go there other than connected to Gabriel. 

Any colon cleansing in Victoria, TX...?


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: darla on January 09, 2010, 12:43:12 AM
Tempe mom of missing child could face charges

The Tempe mother of a missing 8-month-old boy who told her boyfriend she killed their son could be facing charges of providing false information to law enforcement after accusing the father of taking the child during an unrelated incident last month.

Elizabeth Johnson, 23, had left her son, Gabriel Johnson, with Tammi and Jack Smith of Scottsdale for at least six hours on Dec. 9, but she accused Logan Scott McQueary, 25, of taking him, according to a Tempe police report.


The Smiths, who had expressed an interest in adopting the baby, were named by Tempe police on Thursday as persons of interest in the case. Authorities believe the Smiths are withholding information on Gabriel's whereabouts.

Johnson, who was last seen with Gabriel in San Antonio, Texas on Dec. 26, was arrested in Miami Beach, Fla., on Dec. 30 without the child. Johnson had called and text messaged McQueary on Dec. 27 and told him she had killed the baby and left its body in a dumpster inside a baby bag. She is not cooperating with authorities in the search of the child, according to police.

Johnson told McQueary in the messages that she was leaving the country and would tell McQueary where the body of the baby was when she did, according to a Maricopa County Superior Court document.

Authorities are investigating whether Johnson gave the baby away. The Smiths had expressed interest in adopting Gabriel, but McQueary said he wanted to keep his son and did not sign any adoption papers.

[b]Johnson had placed an ad on craigslist seeking a nanny to take the baby, according to the police report taken when she left the baby with the Smiths. Charges are pending from Tempe city prosecutors, according to the report.
[/b]
Johnson lost custody of Gabriel to McQueary when she failed to appear for a custody hearing in Maricopa County Superior Court on Dec. 28, according to court records.

The Smiths on Thursday offered to take a polygraph test, but Tempe police confirmed on Friday that investigators only questioned the couple.

Johnson currently is being held without bail in the Dade County (Fla.) Jail and is scheduled to attend an extradition hearing in Dade County Superior Court on Jan. 19.

http://www.eastvalleytribune.com/story/149285




The above bolded statement....who wants to dumpster dive on Craigslist with me?


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 09, 2010, 12:45:27 AM
Tempe mom of missing child could face charges

The Tempe mother of a missing 8-month-old boy who told her boyfriend she killed their son could be facing charges of providing false information to law enforcement after accusing the father of taking the child during an unrelated incident last month.

Elizabeth Johnson, 23, had left her son, Gabriel Johnson, with Tammi and Jack Smith of Scottsdale for at least six hours on Dec. 9, but she accused Logan Scott McQueary, 25, of taking him, according to a Tempe police report.


The Smiths, who had expressed an interest in adopting the baby, were named by Tempe police on Thursday as persons of interest in the case. Authorities believe the Smiths are withholding information on Gabriel's whereabouts.

Johnson, who was last seen with Gabriel in San Antonio, Texas on Dec. 26, was arrested in Miami Beach, Fla., on Dec. 30 without the child. Johnson had called and text messaged McQueary on Dec. 27 and told him she had killed the baby and left its body in a dumpster inside a baby bag. She is not cooperating with authorities in the search of the child, according to police.

Johnson told McQueary in the messages that she was leaving the country and would tell McQueary where the body of the baby was when she did, according to a Maricopa County Superior Court document.

Authorities are investigating whether Johnson gave the baby away. The Smiths had expressed interest in adopting Gabriel, but McQueary said he wanted to keep his son and did not sign any adoption papers.

[b]Johnson had placed an ad on craigslist seeking a nanny to take the baby, according to the police report taken when she left the baby with the Smiths. Charges are pending from Tempe city prosecutors, according to the report.
[/b]
Johnson lost custody of Gabriel to McQueary when she failed to appear for a custody hearing in Maricopa County Superior Court on Dec. 28, according to court records.

The Smiths on Thursday offered to take a polygraph test, but Tempe police confirmed on Friday that investigators only questioned the couple.

Johnson currently is being held without bail in the Dade County (Fla.) Jail and is scheduled to attend an extradition hearing in Dade County Superior Court on Jan. 19.

http://www.eastvalleytribune.com/story/149285




The above bolded statement....who wants to dumpster dive on Craigslist with me?

I am already there in San Antonio.  You want to head to Victoria?


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: darla on January 09, 2010, 12:47:03 AM
Well  Craigslist will have to wait til morning, can't stay awake any longer. Praying that lil Gabriel is safe and warm and with someone who is taking care of all of his needs. God Bless you little Angel. Hope  you are back with your Daddy soon.
Goodnight Monkeys and Guest!


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 09, 2010, 12:48:44 AM
Well  Craigslist will have to wait til morning, can't stay awake any longer. Praying that lil Gabriel is safe and warm and with someone who is taking care of all of his needs. God Bless you little Angel. Hope  you are back with your Daddy soon.
Goodnight Monkeys and Guest!

Goodnight and God Bless


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 09, 2010, 12:56:58 AM
Tempe mom of missing child could face charges

The Tempe mother of a missing 8-month-old boy who told her boyfriend she killed their son could be facing charges of providing false information to law enforcement after accusing the father of taking the child during an unrelated incident last month.

Elizabeth Johnson, 23, had left her son, Gabriel Johnson, with Tammi and Jack Smith of Scottsdale for at least six hours on Dec. 9, but she accused Logan Scott McQueary, 25, of taking him, according to a Tempe police report.


The Smiths, who had expressed an interest in adopting the baby, were named by Tempe police on Thursday as persons of interest in the case. Authorities believe the Smiths are withholding information on Gabriel's whereabouts.

Johnson, who was last seen with Gabriel in San Antonio, Texas on Dec. 26, was arrested in Miami Beach, Fla., on Dec. 30 without the child. Johnson had called and text messaged McQueary on Dec. 27 and told him she had killed the baby and left its body in a dumpster inside a baby bag. She is not cooperating with authorities in the search of the child, according to police.

Johnson told McQueary in the messages that she was leaving the country and would tell McQueary where the body of the baby was when she did, according to a Maricopa County Superior Court document.

Authorities are investigating whether Johnson gave the baby away. The Smiths had expressed interest in adopting Gabriel, but McQueary said he wanted to keep his son and did not sign any adoption papers.

[b]Johnson had placed an ad on craigslist seeking a nanny to take the baby, according to the police report taken when she left the baby with the Smiths. Charges are pending from Tempe city prosecutors, according to the report.
[/b]
Johnson lost custody of Gabriel to McQueary when she failed to appear for a custody hearing in Maricopa County Superior Court on Dec. 28, according to court records.

The Smiths on Thursday offered to take a polygraph test, but Tempe police confirmed on Friday that investigators only questioned the couple.

Johnson currently is being held without bail in the Dade County (Fla.) Jail and is scheduled to attend an extradition hearing in Dade County Superior Court on Jan. 19.

http://www.eastvalleytribune.com/story/149285




The above bolded statement....who wants to dumpster dive on Craigslist with me?

I am already there in San Antonio.  You want to head to Victoria?

I may be too tired however I read this statement now as -  when the false police report was filed and Gabriel was found at the Smiths the explanation as to who the Smiths where and why they had Gabriel was that EJ placed an ad on criagslist and that is how she met the Smiths.   ::MonkeyEek::  Anyone?

Johnson had placed an ad on craigslist seeking a nanny to take the baby, according to the police report taken when she left the baby with the Smiths. Charges are pending from Tempe city prosecutors, according to the report


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: leslee on January 09, 2010, 01:04:06 AM
Tempe mom of missing child could face charges

The Tempe mother of a missing 8-month-old boy who told her boyfriend she killed their son could be facing charges of providing false information to law enforcement after accusing the father of taking the child during an unrelated incident last month.

Elizabeth Johnson, 23, had left her son, Gabriel Johnson, with Tammi and Jack Smith of Scottsdale for at least six hours on Dec. 9, but she accused Logan Scott McQueary, 25, of taking him, according to a Tempe police report.


The Smiths, who had expressed an interest in adopting the baby, were named by Tempe police on Thursday as persons of interest in the case. Authorities believe the Smiths are withholding information on Gabriel's whereabouts.

Johnson, who was last seen with Gabriel in San Antonio, Texas on Dec. 26, was arrested in Miami Beach, Fla., on Dec. 30 without the child. Johnson had called and text messaged McQueary on Dec. 27 and told him she had killed the baby and left its body in a dumpster inside a baby bag. She is not cooperating with authorities in the search of the child, according to police.

Johnson told McQueary in the messages that she was leaving the country and would tell McQueary where the body of the baby was when she did, according to a Maricopa County Superior Court document.

Authorities are investigating whether Johnson gave the baby away. The Smiths had expressed interest in adopting Gabriel, but McQueary said he wanted to keep his son and did not sign any adoption papers.

[b]Johnson had placed an ad on craigslist seeking a nanny to take the baby, according to the police report taken when she left the baby with the Smiths. Charges are pending from Tempe city prosecutors, according to the report.
[/b]
Johnson lost custody of Gabriel to McQueary when she failed to appear for a custody hearing in Maricopa County Superior Court on Dec. 28, according to court records.

The Smiths on Thursday offered to take a polygraph test, but Tempe police confirmed on Friday that investigators only questioned the couple.

Johnson currently is being held without bail in the Dade County (Fla.) Jail and is scheduled to attend an extradition hearing in Dade County Superior Court on Jan. 19.

http://www.eastvalleytribune.com/story/149285




The above bolded statement....who wants to dumpster dive on Craigslist with me?

I am already there in San Antonio.  You want to head to Victoria?

I may be too tired however I read this statement now as -  when the false police report was filed and Gabriel was found at the Smiths the explanation as to who the Smiths where and why they had Gabriel was that EJ placed an ad on criagslist and that is how she met the Smiths.   ::MonkeyEek::  Anyone?

Johnson had placed an ad on craigslist seeking a nanny to take the baby, according to the police report taken when she left the baby with the Smiths. Charges are pending from Tempe city prosecutors, according to the report

Yep NR, I tired too but I take it that when she reported Logan stole Gabriel about a month ago she had placed an ad on CL.... and that could very well be how she met the Smiths, not some flipping airport! I don't buy that story at all GMAB. I am hoping Gabriel is alive and WELL, that if she DID give him up she hooked up with the right peeps and not a porno, but this isn't looking so well. I pray Gabriel is found ::MonkeyAngel:: Goodnight all.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 09, 2010, 01:06:49 AM
Goodnight Leslee God bless!


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 09, 2010, 01:21:41 AM
Couple named persons of interest in missing baby case take lie detector test  (with video)

TEMPE - The case of missing baby Gabriel takes another turn as police turn to a lie detector test to get the answers they say Jack and Tammi Smith won't provide on their own.

The Smiths, who claim to be Gabriel's adoptive parents are now persons of interest in his disappearance.

It all started December 18, when Johnson left Tempe with baby Gabriel.

After Gabriel's father refused to sign papers relinquishing his rights to the boy.

Mom and baby were last seen December 26 in San Antonio.

On December 28, she lost custody of Gabriel after failing to show up for a hearing in Maricopa County.

On December 30, police in Miami arrested Johnson, but found no sign of the baby.

On December 31, Tempe police asked the public for help finding the baby.

That's when the media circus started.

MORE...

http://www.azfamily.com/news/Couple-named-persons-of-interest-in-missing-baby-case-take-lie-detector-test-81053957.html


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 09, 2010, 01:26:33 AM
FBI Agents Search A Nashville House For Baby Gabriel
Elizabeth Johnson's Arrest In Miami Led To Home

NASHVILLE, Tenn. -- Exactly what evidence Elizabeth Johnson offered that led authorities to Nashville is still unclear. But it was enough to have FBI agents rush to a house in Nashville, a city to which her friends say Elizabeth has never been.

"We went, knocked on the door, and interviewed the occupants and have been unable at this point to locate the child," said FBI Special Agent Keith Moss.

Unfortunately, that search was just the latest in a growing list of dead ends.

But as CBS5 reported Thursday night, Tammi and Jack Smith, the couple who tried to adopt Gabriel and who have been named as persons of interest in his disappearance, used to live in Nashville.

And late Friday night, Tammi Smith told CBS5 she knew what the Nashville search was all about. It was the home of a friend of hers, Janet Morris, who she asked to counsel Elizabeth Johnson about what she could face legally if she tried to disappear with Gabriel.
"I called (Elizabeth) and said 'look, you've got to call this girl Janet,' and so Janet basically, she called her and as far as I know, Janet told her the same thing that we've been telling her and begged her to come back. 'And if you don't come back, you could be facing these charges and these charges,'" said Tammi Smith.

Tammi Smith also explained a post on her Facebook page, where she asked people to pray for Elizabeth because the mother had found 'undercover' help in Texas to change her's and Gabriel's identities. Smith took Elizabeth's comments to mean that she had found a women's shelter that provided "extra" and illegal services.....

<Snipped>

MORE.....


But investigators still believe the Smiths know more than they are telling.

Elizabeth Johnson's grandfather, Bob Johnson, even felt the Smiths were speaking in code to her when we recorded a group phonecall including the Smith's and Elizabeth from jail in Miami.

What is clear is that the Smiths, even then, were trying to clear their names.

"Did we try really hard to get you back here?" asked Tammi Smith. "Yes," replied Elizabeth Johnson. "And did we offer to get you an attorney and help you to keep custody?" Smith asked. "Yeah," said Johnson.

Elizabeth did lie about the location of her car several times during the call.

After the polygraph tests Friday, investigators hope to soon know whether the Smiths are lying now.

http://www.kpho.com/news/22190418/detail.html


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 09, 2010, 01:36:29 AM
And late Friday night, Tammi Smith told CBS5 she knew what the Nashville search was all about. It was the home of a friend of hers, Janet Morris, who she asked to counsel Elizabeth Johnson about what she could face legally if she tried to disappear with Gabriel.
"I called (Elizabeth) and said 'look, you've got to call this girl Janet,' and so Janet basically, she called her and as far as I know, Janet told her the same thing that we've been telling her and begged her to come back. 'And if you don't come back, you could be facing these charges and these charges,'" said Tammi Smith.

----------------------------------------

Janet Morris is a friend on her FB.  Here is a mesasge she left her in Oct   ::MonkeyEek::






Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: bananas on January 09, 2010, 03:13:55 AM
I found this on Tammi's Healing waters myspace page. I have been in church since I was a baby, and I have read the Bible front to back and was not aware that when Jesus was crucified that he went to hell when he died. Am I wrong?






Heroes
All of my children, my husband, my sisters and Jesus Christ...He didn't have to die on that cross, all he had to do was say the word. but he chose to be tourchered and be put to death and go to hell to fight Satin, just to save us from our sins...So Jesus is my biggest hero of all!

Whaaaattt??? What religion is she?


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: seahorse on January 09, 2010, 03:46:12 AM
http://www.kpho.com/news/22190418/detail.html

Baby Gabriel
Elizabeth Johnson's Arrest In Miami Led To Home
Pat McReynolds
Reporter, KPHO.com

POSTED: 8:52 pm MST January 8, 2010
UPDATED: 10:30 pm MST January 8, 2010

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NASHVILLE, Tenn. -- Exactly what evidence Elizabeth Johnson offered that led authorities to Nashville is still unclear. But it was enough to have FBI agents rush to a house in Nashville, a city to which her friends say Elizabeth has never been.

"We went, knocked on the door, and interviewed the occupants and have been unable at this point to locate the child," said FBI Special Agent Keith Moss.

Unfortunately, that search was just the latest in a growing list of dead ends.

But as CBS5 reported Thursday night, Tammi and Jack Smith, the couple who tried to adopt Gabriel and who have been named as persons of interest in his disappearance, used to live in Nashville.

And late Friday night, Tammi Smith told CBS5 she knew what the Nashville search was all about. It was the home of a friend of hers, Janet Morris, who she asked to counsel Elizabeth Johnson about what she could face legally if she tried to disappear with Gabriel.

"I called (Elizabeth) and said 'look, you've got to call this girl Janet,' and so Janet basically, she called her and as far as I know, Janet told her the same thing that we've been telling her and begged her to come back. 'And if you don't come back, you could be facing these charges and these charges,'" said Tammi Smith.

Tammi Smith also explained a post on her Facebook page, where she asked people to pray for Elizabeth because the mother had found 'undercover' help in Texas to change her's and Gabriel's identities. Smith took Elizabeth's comments to mean that she had found a women's shelter that provided "extra" and illegal services.

All of these connections have FBI agents in Nashville very active in the search.

"As leads develop to the area, Tammi Smith is one individual who formerly resided in Nashville. As leads are developed by the Phoenix field offices, the Miami field offices, we're following up on those," said Special Agent Moss.

Friday, the Smiths agreed to take polygraph tests to prove they have no knowledge of where Gabriel may be. The results of those tests have not been released, but the Smiths remain resolute.

"There would be nothing that they could charge us with because we have done nothing we've done everything that the police have asked us," Tammi Smith said.

But investigators still believe the Smiths know more than they are telling.

Elizabeth Johnson's grandfather, Bob Johnson, even felt the Smiths were speaking in code to her when we recorded a group phonecall including the Smith's and Elizabeth from jail in Miami.

What is clear is that the Smiths, even then, were trying to clear their names.

"Did we try really hard to get you back here?" asked Tammi Smith. "Yes," replied Elizabeth Johnson. "And did we offer to get you an attorney and help you to keep custody?" Smith asked. "Yeah," said Johnson.

Elizabeth did lie about the location of her car several times during the call.

After the polygraph tests Friday, investigators hope to soon know whether the Smiths are lying now.

snip...


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: seahorse on January 09, 2010, 04:41:26 AM
Mom of missing child may face charges

Mike Sakal, Tribune

January 8, 2010 - 6:51PM



The Tempe mother of a missing 8-month-old boy who told her boyfriend she killed their son could be facing charges of providing false information to law enforcement after accusing the father of taking the child during an unrelated incident last month.

Elizabeth Johnson, 23, had left her son, Gabriel Johnson, with Tammi and Jack Smith of Scottsdale for at least six hours on Dec. 9, but she accused Logan Scott McQueary, 25, of taking him, according to a Tempe police report.

The Smiths, who had expressed an interest in adopting the baby, were named by Tempe police on Thursday as persons of interest in the case. Authorities believe the Smiths are withholding information on Gabriel's whereabouts.

Johnson, who was last seen with Gabriel in San Antonio, Texas on Dec. 26, was arrested in Miami Beach, Fla., on Dec. 30 without the child. Johnson had called and text messaged McQueary on Dec. 27 and told him she had killed the baby and left its body in a dumpster inside a baby bag. She is not cooperating with authorities in the search of the child, according to police.

Johnson told McQueary in the messages that she was leaving the country and would tell McQueary where the body of the baby was when she did, according to a Maricopa County Superior Court document.

Authorities are investigating whether Johnson gave the baby away. The Smiths had expressed interest in adopting Gabriel, but McQueary said he wanted to keep his son and did not sign any adoption papers.

Johnson had placed an ad on craigslist seeking a nanny to take the baby, according to the police report taken when she left the baby with the Smiths. Charges are pending from Tempe city prosecutors, according to the report.

Johnson lost custody of Gabriel to McQueary when she failed to appear for a custody hearing in Maricopa County Superior Court on Dec. 28, according to court records.

The Smiths on Thursday offered to take a polygraph test, but Tempe police confirmed on Friday that investigators only questioned the couple.

Johnson currently is being held without bail in the Dade County (Fla.) Jail and is scheduled to attend an extradition hearing in Dade County Superior Court on Jan. 19.





Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Searching on January 09, 2010, 07:11:30 AM
Northern Rose....so sorry....I was totally frozen and could not answer you. 

Re the reason for Victoria...really do not know.  I remember it as a smallish Texas town
and when checking the links, a high mexican population....but who really thinks the
baby has gone to Mexico...?  He might well be right there in Victoria.

Daughter went to college in San Antonio and had friends in Victoria.  Wish I could
help but really know nothing of the underground...or baby brokers for that matter.

Again...thanks.

Mere, it is funny (odd) you said this. I was reading an article the other day on this case and my daughter walked in and sat down beside me, looked over and asked what happened to him (she saw his photo but not the title) I asked what she meant and she said she saw him with a Hispanic couple in a store here and when she asked what his name was, the woman said Gabriel, she told them how cute he was and walked away, when she looked back, she said the couple were visibly arguing but she was not sure why. I dismissed it because she makes up stories, how ever, she told me this before I told her he was missing and I just did not think a Hispanic couple would 'adopt' a white baby. She was visibly shaken when I told her he was a missing baby. I just don't know what to think.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Searching on January 09, 2010, 07:15:11 AM
Northern Rose....so sorry....I was totally frozen and could not answer you. 

Re the reason for Victoria...really do not know.  I remember it as a smallish Texas town
and when checking the links, a high mexican population....but who really thinks the
baby has gone to Mexico...?  He might well be right there in Victoria.

Daughter went to college in San Antonio and had friends in Victoria.  Wish I could
help but really know nothing of the underground...or baby brokers for that matter.

Again...thanks.

Mere, it is funny (odd) you said this. I was reading an article the other day on this case and my daughter walked in and sat down beside me, looked over and asked what happened to him (she saw his photo but not the title) I asked what she meant and she said she saw him with a Hispanic couple in a store here and when she asked what his name was, the woman said Gabriel, she told them how cute he was and walked away, when she looked back, she said the couple were visibly arguing but she was not sure why. I dismissed it because she makes up stories, how ever, she told me this before I told her he was missing and I just did not think a Hispanic couple would 'adopt' a white baby. She was visibly shaken when I told her he was a missing baby. I just don't know what to think.
I wanted to add, I also dismissed what my daughter said, not just because of her history of story telling,but because I felt EJ had killed baby Gabe.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: theboyzmom on January 09, 2010, 08:24:44 AM
Northern Rose....so sorry....I was totally frozen and could not answer you. 

Re the reason for Victoria...really do not know.  I remember it as a smallish Texas town
and when checking the links, a high mexican population....but who really thinks the
baby has gone to Mexico...?  He might well be right there in Victoria.

Daughter went to college in San Antonio and had friends in Victoria.  Wish I could
help but really know nothing of the underground...or baby brokers for that matter.

Again...thanks.

Mere, it is funny (odd) you said this. I was reading an article the other day on this case and my daughter walked in and sat down beside me, looked over and asked what happened to him (she saw his photo but not the title) I asked what she meant and she said she saw him with a Hispanic couple in a store here and when she asked what his name was, the woman said Gabriel, she told them how cute he was and walked away, when she looked back, she said the couple were visibly arguing but she was not sure why. I dismissed it because she makes up stories, how ever, she told me this before I told her he was missing and I just did not think a Hispanic couple would 'adopt' a white baby. She was visibly shaken when I told her he was a missing baby. I just don't know what to think.
I wanted to add, I also dismissed what my daughter said, not just because of her history of story telling,but because I felt EJ had killed baby Gabe.

Wow - did you call LE?


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Searching on January 09, 2010, 08:39:33 AM
Northern Rose....so sorry....I was totally frozen and could not answer you. 

Re the reason for Victoria...really do not know.  I remember it as a smallish Texas town
and when checking the links, a high mexican population....but who really thinks the
baby has gone to Mexico...?  He might well be right there in Victoria.

Daughter went to college in San Antonio and had friends in Victoria.  Wish I could
help but really know nothing of the underground...or baby brokers for that matter.

Again...thanks.

Mere, it is funny (odd) you said this. I was reading an article the other day on this case and my daughter walked in and sat down beside me, looked over and asked what happened to him (she saw his photo but not the title) I asked what she meant and she said she saw him with a Hispanic couple in a store here and when she asked what his name was, the woman said Gabriel, she told them how cute he was and walked away, when she looked back, she said the couple were visibly arguing but she was not sure why. I dismissed it because she makes up stories, how ever, she told me this before I told her he was missing and I just did not think a Hispanic couple would 'adopt' a white baby. She was visibly shaken when I told her he was a missing baby. I just don't know what to think.
I wanted to add, I also dismissed what my daughter said, not just because of her history of story telling,but because I felt EJ had killed baby Gabe.

Wow - did you call LE?
Hi, no, I did not because again, my daughter is known for making up stories and I still think that if someone had him, he would have been turned over already.  I just have a very difficult time believing my daughter on things such as this, I mean she makes up stories on stupid little things as well as important things, so I never know when to believe her. I would hate to waste LE time for one of her trumped up stories so I just don't know what to do.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Green Eyes on January 09, 2010, 09:56:31 AM
Northern Rose....so sorry....I was totally frozen and could not answer you. 

Re the reason for Victoria...really do not know.  I remember it as a smallish Texas town
and when checking the links, a high mexican population....but who really thinks the
baby has gone to Mexico...?  He might well be right there in Victoria.

Daughter went to college in San Antonio and had friends in Victoria.  Wish I could
help but really know nothing of the underground...or baby brokers for that matter.

Again...thanks.

Mere, it is funny (odd) you said this. I was reading an article the other day on this case and my daughter walked in and sat down beside me, looked over and asked what happened to him (she saw his photo but not the title) I asked what she meant and she said she saw him with a Hispanic couple in a store here and when she asked what his name was, the woman said Gabriel, she told them how cute he was and walked away, when she looked back, she said the couple were visibly arguing but she was not sure why. I dismissed it because she makes up stories, how ever, she told me this before I told her he was missing and I just did not think a Hispanic couple would 'adopt' a white baby. She was visibly shaken when I told her he was a missing baby. I just don't know what to think.
I wanted to add, I also dismissed what my daughter said, not just because of her history of story telling,but because I felt EJ had killed baby Gabe.

Wow - did you call LE?
Hi, no, I did not because again, my daughter is known for making up stories and I still think that if someone had him, he would have been turned over already.  I just have a very difficult time believing my daughter on things such as this, I mean she makes up stories on stupid little things as well as important things, so I never know when to believe her. I would hate to waste LE time for one of her trumped up stories so I just don't know what to do.

Searching  That is a hard call for sure. Might you call LE and tell them what she said but kind of tell them why you are having a hard time believing her etc. If it's nothing they can just put it down as bad lead. But if was him it might help find him. Hope that helps. Like I said it's a hard call for sure.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 09, 2010, 10:21:38 AM
Is Elizabeth Johnson talking?

Why did Tammi and Jack Smith not reveal on their interview with Nancy Grace last night what they revealed later on in their interview with CBS5 in regards to their Nashville connection.

Janet

++++++++ 

Tip Had FBI Searching Nashville Home
Agents Acted On Evidence After Elizabeth Johnson's Arrest In Miami
Pat McReynolds
Reporter, KPHO.com

POSTED: 8:52 pm MST January 8, 2010
UPDATED: 6:27 am MST January 9, 2010


NASHVILLE, Tenn. -- FBI agents in Nashville rushed to a home after getting a tip from agents in Miami that missing baby Gabriel Johnson might be there.

Exactly what evidence Elizabeth Johnson offered that led authorities to Nashville is still unclear.

•Raw: CBS 5 Interview With Elizabeth Johnson

But it was enough to have FBI agents rush to the home in Nashville, a city to which her friends say Elizabeth has never been.

"We went, knocked on the door, and interviewed the occupants and have been unable at this point to locate the child," said FBI Special Agent Keith Moss.

Unfortunately, that search was just the latest in a growing list of dead ends.

But as CBS 5 reported Thursday night, Tammi and Jack Smith, the couple who tried to adopt Gabriel and who have been named as persons of interest in his disappearance, used to live in Nashville.

And late Friday night, Tammi Smith told CBS5 she knew what the Nashville search was all about. It was the home of a friend of hers, Janet Morris, who she asked to counsel Elizabeth Johnson about what she could face legally if she tried to disappear with Gabriel.

"I called (Elizabeth) and said 'look, you've got to call this girl Janet,' and so Janet basically, she called her and as far as I know, Janet told her the same thing that we've been telling her and begged her to come back. 'And if you don't come back, you could be facing these charges and these charges,'" said Tammi Smith.

http://www.kpho.com/news/22190418/detail.html


NANCY GRACE
Smiths Take Polygraphs in Missing Baby Gabriel Case
Aired January 8, 2010 - 20:00:00   ET


CASAREZ: Now what is your -- to Jack and Tammi Smith, what is your connection with Nashville?

J. SMITH: Well, I was in the music business for about 35 years. So I lived in Nashville for about that long. And then Tammi moved there and we met about 12 years ago and we`ve been together pretty much for the last 10.

CASAREZ: So what was the last time you were in Nashville?

J. SMITH: Last time I was in Nashville was probably about a year and a half ago? Two years ago maybe?

CASAREZ: Do you talk to a lot of people in Nashville?

J. SMITH: My family. My brother`s there. My two sons are there. Yes, after 35 years you do have friends there. Certainly.

CASAREZ: So what do you think about all these tips coming from a place that you used to live in?

J. SMITH: I have no earthly idea. No earthly idea. Nashville`s a beautiful town.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1001/08/ng.01.html


IN A NUTSHELL

NANCY GRACE
Smiths Take Polygraphs in Missing Baby Gabriel Case
Aired January 8, 2010 - 20:00:00   ET


PATRICIA SAUNDERS, CLINICAL PSYCHOLOGIST: Well, there are a lot of contradictions in their stories and now I think they`re trying to be do- gooders and make right by this, because a lot of other facts have emerged.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1001/08/ng.01.html


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: seahorse on January 09, 2010, 10:25:51 AM
http://www.abc15.com/content/news/southeastvalley/tempe/story/Persons-of-interest-in-Tempe-case-take-polygraph/xgsbK2cK80iD5ZWBC0ifjg.cspx



JMO this article in the Souteastern News-Arizona...sounds like... TS was bullying Logan, this may be from the prior time.

I read a comment mentioning cell phone pings...


---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

snip...
When Gabriel dissapeared, they said basically, if you really care about your son and you want him back, and you want Elizabeth to bring him back, that you'll sign the paperwork and then she'll bring him back to us, and you'll know he's safe," said McQueary. "And I said, no, I'm not signing any paperwork."

The Smiths said they were just relaying messages from Johnson to McQueary after she had taken off with the baby.

"Let's do this paperwork, and maybe she'll tell us where the baby is," said Tammi Smith.  "It's not legal anyway, but does she have to know that? I mean, I'd rather get the baby back and sign the phony papers, but I guess the detectives don't want us to do that."


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 09, 2010, 10:27:17 AM
Raw: Missing Baby Mom Speaks with CBS 5 News

http://www.kpho.com/video/22155911/index.html


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Searching on January 09, 2010, 10:31:51 AM
Northern Rose....so sorry....I was totally frozen and could not answer you. 

Re the reason for Victoria...really do not know.  I remember it as a smallish Texas town
and when checking the links, a high mexican population....but who really thinks the
baby has gone to Mexico...?  He might well be right there in Victoria.

Daughter went to college in San Antonio and had friends in Victoria.  Wish I could
help but really know nothing of the underground...or baby brokers for that matter.

Again...thanks.

Mere, it is funny (odd) you said this. I was reading an article the other day on this case and my daughter walked in and sat down beside me, looked over and asked what happened to him (she saw his photo but not the title) I asked what she meant and she said she saw him with a Hispanic couple in a store here and when she asked what his name was, the woman said Gabriel, she told them how cute he was and walked away, when she looked back, she said the couple were visibly arguing but she was not sure why. I dismissed it because she makes up stories, how ever, she told me this before I told her he was missing and I just did not think a Hispanic couple would 'adopt' a white baby. She was visibly shaken when I told her he was a missing baby. I just don't know what to think.
I wanted to add, I also dismissed what my daughter said, not just because of her history of story telling,but because I felt EJ had killed baby Gabe.

Wow - did you call LE?
Hi, no, I did not because again, my daughter is known for making up stories and I still think that if someone had him, he would have been turned over already.  I just have a very difficult time believing my daughter on things such as this, I mean she makes up stories on stupid little things as well as important things, so I never know when to believe her. I would hate to waste LE time for one of her trumped up stories so I just don't know what to do.

Searching  That is a hard call for sure. Might you call LE and tell them what she said but kind of tell them why you are having a hard time believing her etc. If it's nothing they can just put it down as bad lead. But if was him it might help find him. Hope that helps. Like I said it's a hard call for sure.
Thank you GE. It is a difficult decision and I have had sleepless nights since she said it just trying to figure out how to handle it.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: seahorse on January 09, 2010, 10:33:29 AM
I found this on Tammi's Healing waters myspace page. I have been in church since I was a baby, and I have read the Bible front to back and was not aware that when Jesus was crucified that he went to hell when he died. Am I wrong?






Heroes
All of my children, my husband, my sisters and Jesus Christ...He didn't have to die on that cross, all he had to do was say the word. but he chose to be tourchered and be put to death and go to hell to fight Satin, just to save us from our sins...So Jesus is my biggest hero of all!

Whaaaattt??? What religion is she?

Born Again?


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 09, 2010, 10:36:11 AM
Raw: Missing Baby Mom Speaks with CBS 5 News

http://www.kpho.com/video/22155911/index.html



Tip Had FBI Searching Nashville Home
Agents Acted On Evidence After Elizabeth Johnson's Arrest In Miami
Pat McReynolds
Reporter, KPHO.com

POSTED: 8:52 pm MST January 8, 2010
UPDATED: 6:27 am MST January 9, 2010


Elizabeth Johnson's grandfather, Bob Johnson, even felt the Smiths were speaking in code to her when we recorded a group phonecall including the Smith's and Elizabeth from jail in Miami.

What is clear is that the Smiths, even then, were trying to clear their names.

"Did we try really hard to get you back here?" asked Tammi Smith.

"Yes," replied Elizabeth Johnson.

"And did we offer to get you an attorney and help you to keep custody?" Smith asked.

"Yeah," said Johnson.

http://www.kpho.com/news/22190418/detail.html



Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: bananas on January 09, 2010, 10:38:32 AM
I found this on Tammi's Healing waters myspace page. I have been in church since I was a baby, and I have read the Bible front to back and was not aware that when Jesus was crucified that he went to hell when he died. Am I wrong?






Heroes
All of my children, my husband, my sisters and Jesus Christ...He didn't have to die on that cross, all he had to do was say the word. but he chose to be tourchered and be put to death and go to hell to fight Satin, just to save us from our sins...So Jesus is my biggest hero of all!

Whaaaattt??? What religion is she?

Born Again?

I am a born again Christian.... this must be a different belief I suppose.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 09, 2010, 10:54:04 AM
I found this on Tammi's Healing waters myspace page. I have been in church since I was a baby, and I have read the Bible front to back and was not aware that when Jesus was crucified that he went to hell when he died. Am I wrong?

Heroes
All of my children, my husband, my sisters and Jesus Christ...He didn't have to die on that cross, all he had to do was say the word. but he chose to be tourchered and be put to death and go to hell to fight Satin, just to save us from our sins...So Jesus is my biggest hero of all!

Whaaaattt??? What religion is she?

Born Again?

I am a "born again" Christian and personally do not adhere to the doctrine but ... many do.

Congregations of many major Christian denominations including the Catholic and Anglican churches recited the Apostles' Creed in their services.

Janet

+++++

1. I believe in God, the Father almighty, creator of heaven and earth.
2. I believe in Jesus Christ, his only Son, our Lord.
3. He was conceived by the power of the Holy Spirit and born of the Virgin Mary.
4. He suffered under Pontius Pilate, was crucified, died, and was buried.
5. He descended into hell. On the third day he rose again.
6. He ascended into heaven and is seated at the right hand of the Father.
7. He will come again to judge the living and the dead.
8. I believe in the Holy Spirit,
9. the holy catholic Church, the communion of saints,
10. the forgiveness of sins,
11. the resurrection of the body,
12. and life everlasting.

Amen.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apostles'_Creed


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 09, 2010, 10:55:22 AM
SELF-EDIT

recited s/b recite


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: bananas on January 09, 2010, 11:11:44 AM
I found this on Tammi's Healing waters myspace page. I have been in church since I was a baby, and I have read the Bible front to back and was not aware that when Jesus was crucified that he went to hell when he died. Am I wrong?

Heroes
All of my children, my husband, my sisters and Jesus Christ...He didn't have to die on that cross, all he had to do was say the word. but he chose to be tourchered and be put to death and go to hell to fight Satin, just to save us from our sins...So Jesus is my biggest hero of all!

Whaaaattt??? What religion is she?

Born Again?

I am a "born again" Christian and personally do not adhere to the doctrine but ... many do.

Congregations of many major Christian denominations including the Catholic and Anglican churches recited the Apostles' Creed in their services.

Janet

+++++

1. I believe in God, the Father almighty, creator of heaven and earth.
2. I believe in Jesus Christ, his only Son, our Lord.
3. He was conceived by the power of the Holy Spirit and born of the Virgin Mary.
4. He suffered under Pontius Pilate, was crucified, died, and was buried.
5. He descended into hell. On the third day he rose again.
6. He ascended into heaven and is seated at the right hand of the Father.
7. He will come again to judge the living and the dead.
8. I believe in the Holy Spirit,
9. the holy catholic Church, the communion of saints,
10. the forgiveness of sins,
11. the resurrection of the body,
12. and life everlasting.

Amen.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apostles'_Creed


Thanks for the information.  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 09, 2010, 11:32:26 AM
You are welcome Bananas.

Now back on topic.

I think Tammi and Jack Smith have a lot of explaining to do in regard to their lies.  Lies are meant to cover up the truth.  What truth regarding baby Gabriel are these two covering up?

Janet

++++

Tip Had FBI Searching Nashville Home
Agents Acted On Evidence After Elizabeth Johnson's Arrest In Miami
Pat McReynolds
Reporter, KPHO.com

POSTED: 8:52 pm MST January 8, 2010
UPDATED: 6:27 am MST January 9, 2010


But as CBS 5 reported Thursday night, Tammi and Jack Smith, the couple who tried to adopt Gabriel and who have been named as persons of interest in his disappearance, used to live in Nashville.

And late Friday night, Tammi Smith told CBS5 she knew what the Nashville search was all about. It was the home of a friend of hers, Janet Morris, who she asked to counsel Elizabeth Johnson about what she could face legally if she tried to disappear with Gabriel.

"I called (Elizabeth) and said 'look, you've got to call this girl Janet,' and so Janet basically, she called her and as far as I know, Janet told her the same thing that we've been telling her and begged her to come back. 'And if you don't come back, you could be facing these charges and these charges,'" said Tammi Smith.

http://www.kpho.com/news/22190418/detail.html


NANCY GRACE
Smiths Take Polygraphs in Missing Baby Gabriel Case
Aired January 8, 2010 - 20:00:00   ET


CASAREZ: So what do you think about all these tips coming from a place that you used to live in?

J. SMITH: I have no earthly idea. No earthly idea. Nashville`s a beautiful town.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1001/08/ng.01.html


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: seahorse on January 09, 2010, 11:41:04 AM
I found this on Tammi's Healing waters myspace page. I have been in church since I was a baby, and I have read the Bible front to back and was not aware that when Jesus was crucified that he went to hell when he died. Am I wrong?

Heroes
All of my children, my husband, my sisters and Jesus Christ...He didn't have to die on that cross, all he had to do was say the word. but he chose to be tourchered and be put to death and go to hell to fight Satin, just to save us from our sins...So Jesus is my biggest hero of all!

Whaaaattt??? What religion is she?

Born Again?

I am a "born again" Christian and personally do not adhere to the doctrine but ... many do.

Congregations of many major Christian denominations including the Catholic and Anglican churches recited the Apostles' Creed in their services.

Janet

+++++

1. I believe in God, the Father almighty, creator of heaven and earth.
2. I believe in Jesus Christ, his only Son, our Lord.
3. He was conceived by the power of the Holy Spirit and born of the Virgin Mary.
4. He suffered under Pontius Pilate, was crucified, died, and was buried.
5. He descended into hell. On the third day he rose again.
6. He ascended into heaven and is seated at the right hand of the Father.
7. He will come again to judge the living and the dead.
8. I believe in the Holy Spirit,
9. the holy catholic Church, the communion of saints,
10. the forgiveness of sins,
11. the resurrection of the body,
12. and life everlasting.

Amen.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apostles'_Creed


Thanks for the information.  ::MonkeyAngel::

Thank-You for keeping our minds open


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: seahorse on January 09, 2010, 11:54:32 AM
http://www.kpho.com/news/22168065/detail.html

snip


 
But he said the straight "A" student also developed an irrational temper that led to bouts of rage.


snip


(Apparently Elizabeth is no dummy)



Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: no rose colored glasses on January 09, 2010, 12:20:54 PM
http://www.kpho.com/news/22168065/detail.html

snip


 
But he said the straight "A" student also developed an irrational temper that led to bouts of rage.


snip


(Apparently Elizabeth is no dummy)


"She should have sought professional help. She did seek help for post partum depression and she was on medication and during that time she seemed a lot more mellow and everything was better," Bob Johnson said.

But she stopped taking that medication shortly before she hopped in Bob Johnson's car with 8-month-old Gabriel and headed to Texas.  ::MonkeyNoNo::This is what frightens me horribly.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: darla on January 09, 2010, 12:24:17 PM
Northern check your nanners.


Good Morning/Afternoon Monkeys and guest!


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: darla on January 09, 2010, 12:26:20 PM
NRCG..... you have nanners. I need some help with something.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: mymonkey on January 09, 2010, 12:26:45 PM
Raw: Missing Baby Mom Speaks with CBS 5 News

http://www.kpho.com/video/22155911/index.html



Tip Had FBI Searching Nashville Home
Agents Acted On Evidence After Elizabeth Johnson's Arrest In Miami
Pat McReynolds
Reporter, KPHO.com

POSTED: 8:52 pm MST January 8, 2010
UPDATED: 6:27 am MST January 9, 2010


Elizabeth Johnson's grandfather, Bob Johnson, even felt the Smiths were speaking in code to her when we recorded a group phonecall including the Smith's and Elizabeth from jail in Miami.

What is clear is that the Smiths, even then, were trying to clear their names.

"Did we try really hard to get you back here?" asked Tammi Smith.

"Yes," replied Elizabeth Johnson.

"And did we offer to get you an attorney and help you to keep custody?" Smith asked.

"Yeah," said Johnson.

http://www.kpho.com/news/22190418/detail.html


Good Afternoon Friends ::MonkeyKiss::


at 4:46  on the video EJ said "when you give up your baby for adoption you don't know where the people live"  am I the only one that finds that statement telling?


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: mymonkey on January 09, 2010, 12:30:49 PM
http://www.kpho.com/news/22168065/detail.html

snip


 
But he said the straight "A" student also developed an irrational temper that led to bouts of rage.


snip


(Apparently Elizabeth is no dummy)


"She should have sought professional help. She did seek help for post partum depression and she was on medication and during that time she seemed a lot more mellow and everything was better," Bob Johnson said.

But she stopped taking that medication shortly before she hopped in Bob Johnson's car with 8-month-old Gabriel and headed to Texas.  ::MonkeyNoNo::This is what frightens me horribly.


That is frightening...I also notice that EJ looks different in court than the pictures we see of her previously...she appears to have aged beyond her 23 yrs....jmo


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: no rose colored glasses on January 09, 2010, 12:31:57 PM
NRCG..... you have nanners. I need some help with something.
Good morning, I will check  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: no rose colored glasses on January 09, 2010, 12:34:49 PM
http://www.kpho.com/news/22168065/detail.html

snip


 
But he said the straight "A" student also developed an irrational temper that led to bouts of rage.


snip


(Apparently Elizabeth is no dummy)


"She should have sought professional help. She did seek help for post partum depression and she was on medication and during that time she seemed a lot more mellow and everything was better," Bob Johnson said.

But she stopped taking that medication shortly before she hopped in Bob Johnson's car with 8-month-old Gabriel and headed to Texas.  ::MonkeyNoNo::This is what frightens me horribly.


That is frightening...I also notice that EJ looks different in court than the pictures we see of her previously...she appears to have aged beyond her 23 yrs....jmo
She does look different.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: no rose colored glasses on January 09, 2010, 12:45:42 PM
 Courtney1981  Courtney1981 is online now
Registered User
        
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: SC
Posts: 47
Tammi's current status--Sounds like a threat to me!
I just copied and paste from my wall---

Tammi Peters Smith
Foolishness is like a loud woman. She does not have wisdom or knowledge. Proverbs 9:13.....When we do a 2 hour interview with each News Station and they take a 30 second snippet and cut and paste it where "they" want, that's for their ratings! But they can't put Gabriel on TV unless they have new news about him, so Just be mind full of that and think wisely, God Bless....
5 minutes ago · Comment · Like      ::MonkeyEek:: Just saw this on WS, do the Smith's think this is all a game?


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: darla on January 09, 2010, 12:56:11 PM
Ok Monkeys .....see if we can tie in Mid-Coast Family Services, Inc.in Victoria , TX to Tammi Smith in anyway


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: no rose colored glasses on January 09, 2010, 01:03:04 PM
Ok Monkeys .....see if we can tie in Mid-Coast Family Services, Inc.in Victoria , TX to Tammi Smith in anyway
Women's Crisis Center P.O. Box 395 Victoria TX 77902 Business #: 512-573-4357 Hotline/Crisis: 512-573-4357   There is a woman's crisis center in Victoria


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: darla on January 09, 2010, 01:11:59 PM
Found this:
Crisis Pregnancy Center
1501 E Red River St
Victoria, TX 77901
361-575-6171


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: darla on January 09, 2010, 01:13:33 PM
Ok Monkeys .....see if we can tie in Mid-Coast Family Services, Inc.in Victoria , TX to Tammi Smith in anyway
Women's Crisis Center P.O. Box 395 Victoria TX 77902 Business #: 512-573-4357 Hotline/Crisis: 512-573-4357   There is a woman's crisis center in Victoria



NRCG, that one ties in to the Mid-Coast Family Services. but it does have different phone number's


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: no rose colored glasses on January 09, 2010, 01:23:21 PM
Ok Monkeys .....see if we can tie in Mid-Coast Family Services, Inc.in Victoria , TX to Tammi Smith in anyway
Women's Crisis Center P.O. Box 395 Victoria TX 77902 Business #: 512-573-4357 Hotline/Crisis: 512-573-4357   There is a woman's crisis center in Victoria



NRCG, that one ties in to the Mid-Coast Family Services. but it does have different phone number's
Thanks


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: SuzieQ on January 09, 2010, 01:27:09 PM
Did everyone know Tammy also has a facebook page. She only has 1,670 friends listed if someone wants to go through them. http://www.facebook.com/#/profile.php?id=1585061919&ref=search&sid=1172822947.1284943967..1


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: no rose colored glasses on January 09, 2010, 01:37:39 PM
Did everyone know Tammy also has a facebook page. She only has 1,670 friends listed if someone wants to go through them. http://www.facebook.com/#/profile.php?id=1585061919&ref=search&sid=1172822947.1284943967..1
Thanks, that is a lot of friends  ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: darla on January 09, 2010, 01:57:00 PM
Hey guys, check this out and see if this looks like Gabriel to you guys.
http://www.facebook.com/people/Tammi-Peters-Smith/1585061919#/gabrielle.facio?ref=mf



SusieQ, I know lol, I have gone through everyone of them about 10 times


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: darla on January 09, 2010, 01:58:46 PM
Tammi has about that many on myspace also, but most of them are celebrities. Very few real life friends in the bunch.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: no rose colored glasses on January 09, 2010, 02:22:14 PM
Hey guys, check this out and see if this looks like Gabriel to you guys.
http://www.facebook.com/people/Tammi-Peters-Smith/1585061919#/gabrielle.facio?ref=mf



SusieQ, I know lol, I have gone through everyone of them about 10 times
He resembles him, but the child in that pic looks older to me.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: darla on January 09, 2010, 02:24:18 PM
I think I am going to take a break for a little bit. My eyes are beginning to cross. Be back in a little while.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: no rose colored glasses on January 09, 2010, 02:43:05 PM
I think I am going to take a break for a little bit. My eyes are beginning to cross. Be back in a little while.
Have a good rest, I'm going to do the same.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: cookie on January 09, 2010, 03:27:33 PM
Hey guys, check this out and see if this looks like Gabriel to you guys.
http://www.facebook.com/people/Tammi-Peters-Smith/1585061919#/gabrielle.facio?ref=mf



SusieQ, I know lol, I have gone through everyone of them about 10 times
He resembles him, but the child in that pic looks older to me.

me too...


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: mymonkey on January 09, 2010, 03:41:34 PM
Hey guys, check this out and see if this looks like Gabriel to you guys.
http://www.facebook.com/people/Tammi-Peters-Smith/1585061919#/gabrielle.facio?ref=mf



SusieQ, I know lol, I have gone through everyone of them about 10 times
He resembles him, but the child in that pic looks older to me.

me too...

I dont think its the same child...agree this cutie looks older...and I think it a girl child jmo


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: leslee on January 09, 2010, 04:24:59 PM
Hey guys, check this out and see if this looks like Gabriel to you guys.
http://www.facebook.com/people/Tammi-Peters-Smith/1585061919#/gabrielle.facio?ref=mf



SusieQ, I know lol, I have gone through everyone of them about 10 times
He resembles him, but the child in that pic looks older to me.

me too...

I dont think its the same child...agree this cutie looks older...and I think it a girl child jmo

I agree and her eyes are brown as her hair. Gabes eyes have a different shape to them.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: seahorse on January 09, 2010, 04:30:10 PM
http://www.kpho.com/news/22180215/detail.html

 ------------------------------------------
Police: Missing Baby Case Has Nashville Ties
Source Reveals Why Tammi, Jack Smith Are Now Person's Of Interest
Pat McReynolds
Reporter, KPHO.com

POSTED: 10:28 pm MST January 7, 2010
UPDATED: 5:33 pm MST January 8, 2010


TEMPE, Ariz. -- Tempe investigators said they have gotten several tips about Gabriel Johnson from an unusual place -- Nashville, Tenn.

Raw: CBS 5 Interview With Elizabeth Johnson

Watch: Nashville Tie Explored In Missing Baby Case

According to those who know her, Elizabeth Johnson has never been to Nashville. She has no contacts there. But Tammi Peter Smith does. That's where she opened her first Healing Waters clinic back in 2004.

Tempe police said they are taking the connection seriously, naming the Smiths as persons of interest in the case.

"There would be nothing that they could charge us with because we have done nothing, we've done everything that the police have asked us," Tammi Peter Smith said.

Tammi and Jack Smith said their only priority is the safe return of 8-month-old Gabriel, and said it was Elizabeth who was driving the adoption plans. Not them.

"We did not do the adoption papers like she wanted. She wanted to keep pushing it along, pushing it along," Tammi Smith said.

But the baby's father, Logan McQueary, remembers differently. He said the Smiths pressured him after Gabriel disappeared.



An eerily similar story has emerged.

"I think what they've done is wrong. They've manipulated the system and lied and I wouldn't mind seeing them face charges," said Jack Smith's stepson, Travis Andrews Warford.

Warford is the biological father of Jack Smith's Granddaughter, Hannah. Warford claims the Smiths offered him money to sign over his custodial rights.

"Three different occasions over a year and a half in between, the man offered me money to get out of his life, leave him alone and let him have my little girl, period. I'll put my hand on any bible in any court in the United States and swear to it," said Warford.

But Tammi Smith replied, "Why would we offer him money, they revoked his rights?"

The Smiths were awarded legal custody of Hannah. But Travis, who has spend time in jail, says he was never alerted that the Smiths were headed to court.

"I'm angry. And the first chance that I have any opportunity, I will do as much as I can to gain not only visitation, but ultimately custody of my daughter," said Warford.

The Smiths deny all of Warford's claims.

"I'm sorry. You guys need to dig and find out who this guy is, and then you will be embarrassed that you are asking these questions," said Tammi Smith.

"At the end of the day, God will see justice done. And if they've done to these people what they done to me, but he's even lying to the law and the media, his time will come," said Warford.

How Warford's claims relate to the attempted adoption of Gabriel Johnson and his current whereabouts remains to be seen.

Tempe police have been inundated with tips in the case and are now directing callers to the National Center for Missing or Exploited Children. The number is 1-800-THE-LOST (1-800-843-5678).

Johnson was arrested last week in Florida on suspicion of custodial interference after she didn't show up for a custody hearing in Arizona. Her car was later found by the FBI in San Antonio.

Johnson told CBS 5 News in an exclusive interview that she gave the boy away in San Antonio. She made the statement after she sent a text message to her ex-boyfriend telling him she had killed the baby.

Police believe the baby has not been harmed.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 09, 2010, 05:43:53 PM
Hey guys, check this out and see if this looks like Gabriel to you guys.
http://www.facebook.com/people/Tammi-Peters-Smith/1585061919#/gabrielle.facio?ref=mf



SusieQ, I know lol, I have gone through everyone of them about 10 times

That is her oldest daughter and mother of Hannah.  That is Hannah in the picture. 


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Edward on January 09, 2010, 05:51:56 PM
So where is Gabriel ?


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 09, 2010, 05:52:20 PM
Interesting thought left by a reader:

zoloftn151 - 1/8/2010 9:14 PM
 Heres something interesting. They say there has been many tips coming in from Nashville, TN where the Smiths used to live and Victoria, TX where there were cell phone pings. The distance from Nashville to Phoenix as approx 1686 miles. The distance from Phoenix to San Antonio is around 940 miles. San Antonio is what 150 from Victoria? Did someone from Nashville meet them half way? Hummmmm...

http://www.abc15.com/content/news/southeastvalley/tempe/story/Persons-of-interest-in-Tempe-case-take-polygraph/xgsbK2cK80iD5ZWBC0ifjg.cspx?p=Comments


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 09, 2010, 05:55:37 PM
So where is Gabriel ?

Last known sighting was Dec 26th at Raymond Russell Park San Antonio with his mother Elizabeth.

Dec 27 pings from Elizabeth'e cell near Victoria TX, heading toward the Mexican Border

Dec 27 11:45 Elizabeth seen parking her car at Hotel 6, sitting for 5 mins, getting out with a large backpack, and walking across street to Tornado Bus

Dec 27 Just before Noon Elizabeth buys ticket to Fort Lauderdale, FL . for for $180.00 and waits for bus which leaves at 1:00pm.  Only white person on bus.



Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: mymonkey on January 09, 2010, 05:57:06 PM
Hey guys, check this out and see if this looks like Gabriel to you guys.
http://www.facebook.com/people/Tammi-Peters-Smith/1585061919#/gabrielle.facio?ref=mf



SusieQ, I know lol, I have gone through everyone of them about 10 times

That is her oldest daughter and mother of Hannah.  That is Hannah in the picture. 

Im confused ::MonkeyEek::I thought I heard that Hannahs father was Jacks stepson.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 09, 2010, 06:00:30 PM
Hey guys, check this out and see if this looks like Gabriel to you guys.
http://www.facebook.com/people/Tammi-Peters-Smith/1585061919#/gabrielle.facio?ref=mf



SusieQ, I know lol, I have gone through everyone of them about 10 times

That is her oldest daughter and mother of Hannah.  That is Hannah in the picture. 

Im confused ::MonkeyEek::I thought I heard that Hannahs father was Jacks stepson.

That article was later corrected by the news outlet to say that Travis was Hannah's biological father.  I think I posted the correction but could have missed it.  Hannah is daughter of Gabrielle who is Tammi's daughter from first marriage to Kieth Facio. 


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Edward on January 09, 2010, 06:03:53 PM
So where is Gabriel ?

Last known sighting was Dec 26th at Raymond Russell Park San Antonio with his mother Elizabeth.

Dec 27 pings from Elizabeth'e cell near Victoria TX, heading toward the Mexican Border

Dec 27 11:45 Elizabeth seen parking her car at Hotel 6, sitting for 5 mins, getting out with a large backpack, and walking across street to Tornado Bus

Dec 27 Just before Noon Elizabeth buys ticket to Fort Lauderdale, FL . for for $180.00 and waits for bus which leaves at 1:00pm.  Only white person on bus.



She says she had given the boy to somebody in San Antonio ?
 Maybe so.. But Who and Why ?
She sold the boy to what she would consider to be a good family ?

Why the great escape ? I mean why did she ditch the car and get on de bus ???




Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 09, 2010, 06:10:00 PM
So where is Gabriel ?

Last known sighting was Dec 26th at Raymond Russell Park San Antonio with his mother Elizabeth.

Dec 27 pings from Elizabeth'e cell near Victoria TX, heading toward the Mexican Border

Dec 27 11:45 Elizabeth seen parking her car at Hotel 6, sitting for 5 mins, getting out with a large backpack, and walking across street to Tornado Bus

Dec 27 Just before Noon Elizabeth buys ticket to Fort Lauderdale, FL . for for $180.00 and waits for bus which leaves at 1:00pm.  Only white person on bus.



She says she had given the boy to somebody in San Antonio ?
 Maybe so.. But Who and Why ?
She sold the boy to what she would consider to be a good family ?

Why the great escape ? I mean why did she ditch the car and get on de bus ???




All good questions.  Playing devil's advocate as you have an amazing thought process.

If she really gave Gabriel to a couple she met in San Antonio and stayed with them for 3 days, why would she drive for 3 hours to Victoria Tx and then tracked heading towards Mexico via ping, and then 3 hours back to San Antonio other than to ditch the car and get on the bus?   Why was Gabriel's high chair and other items found in one of the two hotels she stayed at in San Antonio?  Why was the car seat left in the car?


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: no rose colored glasses on January 09, 2010, 06:33:50 PM
Tammi Peters Smith What would Jesus do? Say oh, well, let them find him! NO, he would walk barefoot and carry his own cross to his own death, just to save us all from our sins...So why should I cover my head and hide and not help? Jack and I have been the key to this whole investigation, we've helped them find just about every good clue that they have...The News ... See MoreMedia is "Reality TV" we know what goes on behind the scenes, but you don't...in order to play anything on TV, they have to have a new development in the case. That being said, we are their punching bag, and that's ok, cause if it helps find him, then we did our job! Our boss is God and he will be very happy that we did what was right even if it hurt us in the process....XOXO...When we find him and the whole truth is out, I pray your not hurt by the things you've said about me...I love you no matter what, but I wish you believed in me! After this,I hope you'll never doubt me again, nobody else that's close to me doubts us at all.....
Yesterday at 9:55pm     ::MonkeyEek::  Tammi sees herself as a martyr.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: seahorse on January 09, 2010, 06:44:15 PM

Hello Monkey's,

Is "Facio" a maiden name for Tammi Peters Smith?  TIA
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------


1.  FACIO, TAMMIE  PETERS
Age: 37

Associated names:
FACIO, TAMMIF
FACIO, TAMMI P
FACIO, TAMMY P
PETERS, TAMMY
PETERS, TAMMIF
RIDDLE, TAMMI P
SMITH, TAMMI

 NASHVILLE, TN
CHALMETTE, LA
PHOENIX, AZ
ARABI, LA
ANTIOCH, TN
GOODLETTSVILLE, TN
SCOTTSDALE, AZ
MERAUX, LA

http://www.peoplefinders.com/search/searchpreview.aspx?searchtype=people-name&fn=Tammi&ln=Peters&mn=F&city=&state=TN



Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 09, 2010, 06:45:19 PM
Tammi Peters Smith What would Jesus do? Say oh, well, let them find him! NO, he would walk barefoot and carry his own cross to his own death, just to save us all from our sins...So why should I cover my head and hide and not help? Jack and I have been the key to this whole investigation, we've helped them find just about every good clue that they have...The News ... See MoreMedia is "Reality TV" we know what goes on behind the scenes, but you don't...in order to play anything on TV, they have to have a new development in the case. That being said, we are their punching bag, and that's ok, cause if it helps find him, then we did our job! Our boss is God and he will be very happy that we did what was right even if it hurt us in the process....XOXO...When we find him and the whole truth is out, I pray your not hurt by the things you've said about me...I love you no matter what, but I wish you believed in me! After this,I hope you'll never doubt me again, nobody else that's close to me doubts us at all.....
Yesterday at 9:55pm     ::MonkeyEek::  Tammi sees herself as a martyr.

 we've helped them find just about every good clue that they have

................................

So the Jack Russell park name they were so gleeful about dropping on NG we knew about 2 days before.  The cell ping in Victoria we knew about 2 days before them saying anything on NG last night.  LE found those clues....both of them.  The media reported it, both of them.  If enima woman feels she is providing clues through her fox friend she is delusional.  If there are other "clues' that they have provided to LE such as the address of the mystery Cheryl, a composite sketch of Cheryl and her husband or a reason and location of why EJ was in Victoria TX then forgive my rudeness.  Better yet, how about telling LE where Gabriel is...now that would be a good clue worth pounding your innards over.

Hi No Rose   ::HelloKitty::  I am not having a good day and this not not towards you.  They should take Mark's advice from last night and walk away from the case.  Grandpa Bob saying he felt they were talking in code last night had visions of tube socks and hammers dancing through my head. 


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 09, 2010, 06:46:15 PM

Hello Monkey's,

Is "Facio" a maiden name for Tammi Peters Smith?  TIA
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------


1.  FACIO, TAMMIE  PETERS
Age: 37

Associated names:
FACIO, TAMMIF
FACIO, TAMMI P
FACIO, TAMMY P
PETERS, TAMMY
PETERS, TAMMIF
RIDDLE, TAMMI P
SMITH, TAMMI

 NASHVILLE, TN
CHALMETTE, LA
PHOENIX, AZ
ARABI, LA
ANTIOCH, TN
GOODLETTSVILLE, TN
SCOTTSDALE, AZ
MERAUX, LA

http://www.peoplefinders.com/search/searchpreview.aspx?searchtype=people-name&fn=Tammi&ln=Peters&mn=F&city=&state=TN



No.  Facio is married name from husband #1 Kieth. 


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: no rose colored glasses on January 09, 2010, 06:49:07 PM
Tammi Peters Smith What would Jesus do? Say oh, well, let them find him! NO, he would walk barefoot and carry his own cross to his own death, just to save us all from our sins...So why should I cover my head and hide and not help? Jack and I have been the key to this whole investigation, we've helped them find just about every good clue that they have...The News ... See MoreMedia is "Reality TV" we know what goes on behind the scenes, but you don't...in order to play anything on TV, they have to have a new development in the case. That being said, we are their punching bag, and that's ok, cause if it helps find him, then we did our job! Our boss is God and he will be very happy that we did what was right even if it hurt us in the process....XOXO...When we find him and the whole truth is out, I pray your not hurt by the things you've said about me...I love you no matter what, but I wish you believed in me! After this,I hope you'll never doubt me again, nobody else that's close to me doubts us at all.....
Yesterday at 9:55pm     ::MonkeyEek::  Tammi sees herself as a martyr.

 we've helped them find just about every good clue that they have

................................

So the Jack Russell park name they were so gleeful about dropping on NG we knew about 2 days before.  The cell ping in Victoria we knew about 2 days before them saying anything on NG last night.  LE found those clues....both of them.  The media reported it, both of them.  If enima woman feels she is providing clues through her fox friend she is delusional.  If there are other "clues' that they have provided to LE such as the address of the mystery Cheryl, a composite sketch of Cheryl and her husband or a reason and location of why EJ was in Victoria TX then forgive my rudeness.  Better yet, how about telling LE where Gabriel is...now that would be a good clue worth pounding your innards over.

Hi No Rose   ::HelloKitty::  I am not having a good day and this not not towards you.  They should take Mark's advice from last night and walk away from the case.  Grandpa Bob saying he felt they were talking in code last night had visions of tube socks and hammers dancing through my head. 
Sorry you are not having a good day, me either. I'm confused, why would Elizabeth sit in jail if the baby was handed over to someone, does she think she will get out, and then be given the money for the deal she made for Gabriel?


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: mymonkey on January 09, 2010, 06:53:37 PM
Hey guys, check this out and see if this looks like Gabriel to you guys.
http://www.facebook.com/people/Tammi-Peters-Smith/1585061919#/gabrielle.facio?ref=mf



SusieQ, I know lol, I have gone through everyone of them about 10 times

Is it just a coincidence that her daughters name is Gabrielle and EJ's babys name is Gabriel...what a fluke that is ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: seahorse on January 09, 2010, 06:55:37 PM
Hey guys, check this out and see if this looks like Gabriel to you guys.
http://www.facebook.com/people/Tammi-Peters-Smith/1585061919#/gabrielle.facio?ref=mf



SusieQ, I know lol, I have gone through everyone of them about 10 times

That is her oldest daughter and mother of Hannah.  That is Hannah in the picture. 

Im confused ::MonkeyEek::I thought I heard that Hannahs father was Jacks stepson.

That article was later corrected by the news outlet to say that Travis was Hannah's biological father.  I think I posted the correction but could have missed it.  Hannah is daughter of Gabrielle who is Tammi's daughter from first marriage to Kieth Facio. 

Thank-you, so..."Peters" is her maiden name...has she been married 2 or 3 times?  ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 09, 2010, 06:56:37 PM
Tammi Peters Smith What would Jesus do? Say oh, well, let them find him! NO, he would walk barefoot and carry his own cross to his own death, just to save us all from our sins...So why should I cover my head and hide and not help? Jack and I have been the key to this whole investigation, we've helped them find just about every good clue that they have...The News ... See MoreMedia is "Reality TV" we know what goes on behind the scenes, but you don't...in order to play anything on TV, they have to have a new development in the case. That being said, we are their punching bag, and that's ok, cause if it helps find him, then we did our job! Our boss is God and he will be very happy that we did what was right even if it hurt us in the process....XOXO...When we find him and the whole truth is out, I pray your not hurt by the things you've said about me...I love you no matter what, but I wish you believed in me! After this,I hope you'll never doubt me again, nobody else that's close to me doubts us at all.....
Yesterday at 9:55pm     ::MonkeyEek::  Tammi sees herself as a martyr.

 we've helped them find just about every good clue that they have

................................

So the Jack Russell park name they were so gleeful about dropping on NG we knew about 2 days before.  The cell ping in Victoria we knew about 2 days before them saying anything on NG last night.  LE found those clues....both of them.  The media reported it, both of them.  If enima woman feels she is providing clues through her fox friend she is delusional.  If there are other "clues' that they have provided to LE such as the address of the mystery Cheryl, a composite sketch of Cheryl and her husband or a reason and location of why EJ was in Victoria TX then forgive my rudeness.  Better yet, how about telling LE where Gabriel is...now that would be a good clue worth pounding your innards over.

Hi No Rose   ::HelloKitty::  I am not having a good day and this not not towards you.  They should take Mark's advice from last night and walk away from the case.  Grandpa Bob saying he felt they were talking in code last night had visions of tube socks and hammers dancing through my head. 
Sorry you are not having a good day, me either. I'm confused, why would Elizabeth sit in jail if the baby was handed over to someone, does she think she will get out, and then be given the money for the deal she made for Gabriel?

It was reported that she lawyered up pretty much immediately after her arrest.  Hubby caught a blurb on CNN of this case and he immediately said she sold her child and is going to sit in jail for custodial interference and then get out to enjoy the money she got for the sale.  I am not sure what a sentence for custodial interference is but I do not think it would be life or a long term sentence.  What does she have to loose by sitting in jail?  3 hots a cot and medical and she has to do nothing to look after a baby.  If she sold Gabriel  I do not think she would have had the money on her when she was arrested.  The money could be somewhere in a nice safe place between San Antonio, Victoria and Miami Beach waiting for her when she gets out.  Maybe she went to Victoria to stash her cash?


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 09, 2010, 06:58:02 PM
Hey guys, check this out and see if this looks like Gabriel to you guys.
http://www.facebook.com/people/Tammi-Peters-Smith/1585061919#/gabrielle.facio?ref=mf



SusieQ, I know lol, I have gone through everyone of them about 10 times

Is it just a coincidence that her daughters name is Gabrielle and EJ's babys name is Gabriel...what a fluke that is ::MonkeyEek::

I know .  I did a  ::MonkeyEek:: as well.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: seahorse on January 09, 2010, 06:59:29 PM
Northern Rose,

Thank-You.

Is "Riddle" another marriage for Tammi?  TIA  ::MonkeyShocked::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 09, 2010, 07:03:14 PM
Hey guys, check this out and see if this looks like Gabriel to you guys.
http://www.facebook.com/people/Tammi-Peters-Smith/1585061919#/gabrielle.facio?ref=mf



SusieQ, I know lol, I have gone through everyone of them about 10 times

That is her oldest daughter and mother of Hannah.  That is Hannah in the picture. 

Im confused ::MonkeyEek::I thought I heard that Hannahs father was Jacks stepson.

That article was later corrected by the news outlet to say that Travis was Hannah's biological father.  I think I posted the correction but could have missed it.  Hannah is daughter of Gabrielle who is Tammi's daughter from first marriage to Kieth Facio. 

Thank-you, so..."Peters" is her maiden name...has she been married 2 or 3 times?  ::MonkeyEek::

Three times.  Hubby one at 16.  Hubby 2 Kieth Facio at 18, Hubby 3 Jackie Don Smith.

Sorry I said earlier that Kieth was hubby one. I forgot about the first marriage.

She has since deleted this but here is her recount of her life and the plug for the book she is writing.

tammifay's Journal

Hi, my name is Tammi Fay Peters Smith. I'm from Phoenix, AZ.   I got married at 16 years of age to escape a horrific childhood.  On my journey into adulthood I found myself divorced and re-married by the time I was 18 years old.  I married a man much, much older than me and ended up having 3 wonderful children with him.  It just so happened that because of my childhood abuse, my new husband felt that he could abuse me in the same way that my father did.   No child or woman should ever have to endure that!  He also would leave me home with no money and no car.  I wasn't allowed to leave the house.  If my kids needed to go to the Dr. I had to push them in the stroller.  So, I began to become clinically depressed.  I had what they call Post  Traumatic Stress Disorder.  I tried to leave my husband, but he threatened to never let me see my kids again if I left him.  He said, "who's gonna help you, your druggie mom on welfare?"  So I didn't leave him.  Eventually he got tired of hearing me cry that I wanted to leave so he had a Dr. put me on Prozac!  Over six months time they had me taking tranquilizers, anti depressants, anti psychotics, etc. and he got a free ride with me...didn't have to rape me anymore, I was oblivious to anything, even my kids!  Very sad (for my kids especially) I know.   One day after trying to commit suicide on all those drugs, God reminded me that he was still there and he loved me.   So I figured out a way to wean myself off without him knowing.  That meant I would have to have sex with him willingly without a fight every day.  Eventually I was clear headed enough to realize what he had done to me.  So one morning after he left for work, I took my kids and left him to go back home to Arizona.  After having my kids for a few weeks in Arizona, my mom gave them to him so that we would not have to live with her any longer.  It took me almost a year to find my kids after that.  Long story short, I fought for the rights to see my kids for over 5 years.  Finally, I got joint custody.  But once again, he won!  The judge in Louisiana never made him hand over the kids every time it was my visitation.  It hurt my kids so bad because he would tell them I didn't love them enough to come see them when I would be there waiting every time.  Eventually, I realized that me being in their life was killing them because they were treated horribly for loving me and hugging me.  I finally signed over custody of my kids to him and his new wife.  My kids found me 2 years ago and we are able to talk via Myspace.com, and I visit them about every 3 months.  I since adopted a sweet little girl named Hannah Grace.  I believe she is God's grace to me.  As all I ever wanted since I was a little girl was to have lots of kids to love.  I am so happy to have all 4 kids in my life as well as all my kids in Africa.  I thank God for my journey and I pray that my children will use this as a tool to help others with their lives since they have been through so much with our divorce............If you are interest in the whole detailed story, please add me as a friend and let me know.  I'm still finishing my book!  It's called:  "The Silenced Truth"

http://www.cafemom.com/journals/read/1143907/Who_am_I


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 09, 2010, 07:04:49 PM
Northern Rose,

Thank-You.

Is "Riddle" another marriage for Tammi?  TIA  ::MonkeyShocked::

I did not dig into husband one as he was for a very short time when she was 16. 


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: seahorse on January 09, 2010, 07:05:56 PM
Hey guys, check this out and see if this looks like Gabriel to you guys.
http://www.facebook.com/people/Tammi-Peters-Smith/1585061919#/gabrielle.facio?ref=mf



SusieQ, I know lol, I have gone through everyone of them about 10 times

That is her oldest daughter and mother of Hannah.  That is Hannah in the picture. 

Im confused ::MonkeyEek::I thought I heard that Hannahs father was Jacks stepson.

That article was later corrected by the news outlet to say that Travis was Hannah's biological father.  I think I posted the correction but could have missed it.  Hannah is daughter of Gabrielle who is Tammi's daughter from first marriage to Kieth Facio. 

Thank-you, so..."Peters" is her maiden name...has she been married 2 or 3 times?  ::MonkeyEek::

I had the same thought. I think both names are so classy. imo


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 09, 2010, 07:16:28 PM
From Jan 7

<snipped>

But before Johnson was arrested at a youth hostel in Miami Beach, a cell phone signal was tracked to her in Victoria, Texas, three days earlier, according to a court document. Victoria is 115 miles southwest of San Antonio, and the signal was last caught moving toward the Mexico border, according to the document.

http://www.eastvalleytribune.com/story/149226


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: mymonkey on January 09, 2010, 07:17:09 PM
Hey guys, check this out and see if this looks like Gabriel to you guys.
http://www.facebook.com/people/Tammi-Peters-Smith/1585061919#/gabrielle.facio?ref=mf



SusieQ, I know lol, I have gone through everyone of them about 10 times

Is it just a coincidence that her daughters name is Gabrielle and EJ's babys name is Gabriel...what a fluke that is ::MonkeyEek::

I know .  I did a  ::MonkeyEek:: as well.

 ::MonkeyEek:: has been used a lot on this thread. Just when we thought one would not be more
confusing .


Now I have been wondering just how long EJ knew Tammi could she have known her when she was pregnant with Gabe ...I know my imagination is running away ::MonkeyBike::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: mymonkey on January 09, 2010, 07:20:08 PM
From Jan 7

<snipped>

But before Johnson was arrested at a youth hostel in Miami Beach, a cell phone signal was tracked to her in Victoria, Texas, three days earlier, according to a court document. Victoria is 115 miles southwest of San Antonio, and the signal was last caught moving toward the Mexico border, according to the document.

http://www.eastvalleytribune.com/story/149226


I have been cheating ::MonkeyTongue::and was reading in another forum....I read the Smiths have a time share in Mexico ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: seahorse on January 09, 2010, 07:26:23 PM
Thank-you, Northern Rose,

Jackie D. Smith is the "legal name" so I read on another site. I didn't know the "D" was for Don.

Thanks for Tammi''s journal, it is beginning to make sense all her public appearances.





Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Searching on January 09, 2010, 07:28:02 PM
http://www.kpho.com/news/22125969/detail.html

At the end of the article. Would any judge in their right mind give this girl custody? Really? Would they? I sure hope not.

But they still may have a role to play. The Smiths believe Elizabeth Johnson will tell them Gabriel's location Tuesday.

"She wants to talk to me tomorrow at 2 o'clock to see if I will help her with attorneys to gain custody of Gabriel. If she hurt the baby, I don't think she would be trying to get custody," Tammi Smith said.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 09, 2010, 07:42:15 PM
I wonder if this is the Janet Morris that Tammi says she aske to call EJ? 

Janet Morris
The Adoption Place
Nashville, TN
(615) 473-5153
adoptionplace@aol.com

http://www.onetruegift.com/home-study-providers/tn


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 09, 2010, 07:45:17 PM
Janet Morris from The Adoption Place terminated a father's rights to be so the mother could sign off on an adoption  ::MonkeyEek::

http://www.tsc.state.tn.us/opinions/tca/PDF/074/adoptionplaceOPN.pdf


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 09, 2010, 07:47:44 PM
<snipped>

Tammi Smith told CBS5 she knew what the Nashville search was all about. It was the home of a friend of hers, Janet Morris, who she asked to counsel Elizabeth Johnson about what she could face legally if she tried to disappear with Gabriel.

"I called (Elizabeth) and said 'look, you've got to call this girl Janet,' and so Janet basically, she called her and as far as I know, Janet told her the same thing that we've been telling her and begged her to come back. 'And if you don't come back, you could be facing these charges and these charges,'" said Tammi Smith.

http://www.kpho.com/news/22190418/detail.html


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Mere on January 09, 2010, 07:47:57 PM
From Jan 7

<snipped>

But before Johnson was arrested at a youth hostel in Miami Beach, a cell phone signal was tracked to her in Victoria, Texas, three days earlier, according to a court document. Victoria is 115 miles southwest of San Antonio, and the signal was last caught moving toward the Mexico border, according to the document.

http://www.eastvalleytribune.com/story/149226


I have been cheating ::MonkeyTongue::and was reading in another forum....I read the Smiths have a time share in Mexico ::MonkeyEek::

Sure hope the cops have that address.  Now I see her bringing the baby to Victoria for a hand off to someone who will bring Gabriel to a time share in Mexico.  Could it be???


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: darla on January 09, 2010, 07:51:54 PM
I wonder if this is the Janet Morris that Tammi says she aske to call EJ? 

Janet Morris
The Adoption Place
Nashville, TN
(615) 473-5153
adoptionplace@aol.com

http://www.onetruegift.com/home-study-providers/tn




Good Evening Monkeys and Guest!


Yes Northern, they are one and the same!

Gabrielle isn't Hannah's mother. Jack's daughter is the mother of Hannah....Tammi's Step-daughter


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 09, 2010, 07:52:30 PM
Thank-you, Northern Rose,

Jackie D. Smith is the "legal name" so I read on another site. I didn't know the "D" was for Don.

Thanks for Tammi''s journal, it is beginning to make sense all her public appearances.





It is on their house papers.



Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 09, 2010, 07:54:54 PM
I wonder if this is the Janet Morris that Tammi says she aske to call EJ? 

Janet Morris
The Adoption Place
Nashville, TN
(615) 473-5153
adoptionplace@aol.com

http://www.onetruegift.com/home-study-providers/tn




Good Evening Monkeys and Guest!


Yes Northern, they are one and the same!

Gabrielle isn't Hannah's mother. Jack's daughter is the mother of Hannah....Tammi's Step-daughter

oh wow! 


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: darla on January 09, 2010, 08:14:34 PM
I am going to see if I can find Jack's daughter


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: no rose colored glasses on January 09, 2010, 08:26:05 PM
From Jan 7

<snipped>

But before Johnson was arrested at a youth hostel in Miami Beach, a cell phone signal was tracked to her in Victoria, Texas, three days earlier, according to a court document. Victoria is 115 miles southwest of San Antonio, and the signal was last caught moving toward the Mexico border, according to the document.

http://www.eastvalleytribune.com/story/149226


I have been cheating ::MonkeyTongue::and was reading in another forum....I read the Smiths have a time share in Mexico ::MonkeyEek::
I read that also.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: seahorse on January 09, 2010, 08:35:31 PM
Thank-you, Northern Rose,

Jackie D. Smith is the "legal name" so I read on another site. I didn't know the "D" was for Don.

Thanks for Tammi''s journal, it is beginning to make sense all her public appearances.





It is on their house papers.




Yep, it is also his Real Estate License?  I saw the document on another site. I didn't feel comfortable with lifting.
What did Jackie do with the music business, please? TIA


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: mymonkey on January 09, 2010, 08:49:38 PM
I think LE is about to make history.....Ole warden Joe is dying the boxers pink for the newcomers as we speak (I can wish) ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: mymonkey on January 09, 2010, 08:52:18 PM
From Jan 7

<snipped>

But before Johnson was arrested at a youth hostel in Miami Beach, a cell phone signal was tracked to her in Victoria, Texas, three days earlier, according to a court document. Victoria is 115 miles southwest of San Antonio, and the signal was last caught moving toward the Mexico border, according to the document.

http://www.eastvalleytribune.com/story/149226





I have been cheating ::MonkeyTongue::and was reading in another forum....I read the Smiths have a time share in Mexico ::MonkeyEek::

Sure hope the cops have that address.  Now I see her bringing the baby to Victoria for a hand off to someone who will bring Gabriel to a time share in Mexico.  Could it be???


I hope so also Mere, they have their plate full with these folks.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 09, 2010, 09:03:57 PM
Not sure if this video has been posted


http://www.abc15.com/content/news/southeastvalley/tempe/story/Persons-of-interest-in-Tempe-case-take-polygraph/xgsbK2cK80iD5ZWBC0ifjg.cspx


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: cartfly on January 09, 2010, 09:08:43 PM
I wonder if this is the Janet Morris that Tammi says she aske to call EJ? 

Janet Morris
The Adoption Place
Nashville, TN
(615) 473-5153
adoptionplace@aol.com

http://www.onetruegift.com/home-study-providers/tn




Good Evening Monkeys and Guest!


Yes Northern, they are one and the same!

Gabrielle isn't Hannah's mother. Jack's daughter is the mother of Hannah....Tammi's Step-daughter

Hi Monkeys
I didnt post this earlier for several reasons but Darla is correct Gabrielle is Tammi's biological daughter. I found her earlier this week after reading the myspace, cafe mom post Tammi read.

I made a friend request on facebook to the oldest daughter Gabrielle because she is in my neck of the woods. She did respond to me and confirmed what all of you monkeys have already figured out that Tammi is a liar and unstable. She painted a completely different picture of what happened when Tammi and her husband split up.
I invited her to read or post here at scared monkeys. I explained to her that if she had anything that might bring this baby home to contact law enforcement. She gave me the impression that law enforcemt did not believe what they told them about Tammi.Gabrielle calls Tammi her biological mother....she wants nothing to do with her. Another sibling has contact with Tammi but not on such good terms. Last night Tammi posted on this other daughters facebook and it sounds like her daughter has had enough with Tammi's shenangans (sp?) Gabrielle said it is as though Tammi is trying to create this other "family" to try and regain the relationship with her biological children. Gabrielle said she trys not to keep up with Tammi but that her dad and one of the siblings does. 

She was very forthcoming with information when I explained why I was contacting her.
But looking back I think maybe I shouldnt have contacted her because her and her siblings are minors and probably do not need all this drama and I think maybe doing what I did was stepping over the line. But I hoped maybe she might be able to shed some light on baby Gabriel.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 09, 2010, 09:16:08 PM
I wonder if this is the Janet Morris that Tammi says she aske to call EJ? 

Janet Morris
The Adoption Place
Nashville, TN
(615) 473-5153
adoptionplace@aol.com

http://www.onetruegift.com/home-study-providers/tn




Good Evening Monkeys and Guest!


Yes Northern, they are one and the same!

Gabrielle isn't Hannah's mother. Jack's daughter is the mother of Hannah....Tammi's Step-daughter

Hi Monkeys
I didnt post this earlier for several reasons but Darla is correct Gabrielle is Tammi's biological daughter. I found her earlier this week after reading the myspace, cafe mom post Tammi read.

I made a friend request on facebook to the oldest daughter Gabrielle because she is in my neck of the woods. She did respond to me and confirmed what all of you monkeys have already figured out that Tammi is a liar and unstable. She painted a completely different picture of what happened when Tammi and her husband split up.
I invited her to read or post here at scared monkeys. I explained to her that if she had anything that might bring this baby home to contact law enforcement. She gave me the impression that law enforcemt did not believe what they told them about Tammi.Gabrielle calls Tammi her biological mother....she wants nothing to do with her. Another sibling has contact with Tammi but not on such good terms. Last night Tammi posted on this other daughters facebook and it sounds like her daughter has had enough with Tammi's shenangans (sp?) Gabrielle said it is as though Tammi is trying to create this other "family" to try and regain the relationship with her biological children. Gabrielle said she trys not to keep up with Tammi but that her dad and one of the siblings does. 

She was very forthcoming with information when I explained why I was contacting her.
But looking back I think maybe I shouldnt have contacted her because her and her siblings are minors and probably do not need all this drama and I think maybe doing what I did was stepping over the line. But I hoped maybe she might be able to shed some light on baby Gabriel.

G, E and C all look like wonderful children and I am sure their father and step mother love them very much.  They can stand proud that they did try to tell LE what their experience of Tammi is and it is in the hands of LE now. 


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: no rose colored glasses on January 09, 2010, 09:16:12 PM
I wonder if this is the Janet Morris that Tammi says she aske to call EJ? 

Janet Morris
The Adoption Place
Nashville, TN
(615) 473-5153
adoptionplace@aol.com

http://www.onetruegift.com/home-study-providers/tn




Good Evening Monkeys and Guest!


Yes Northern, they are one and the same!

Gabrielle isn't Hannah's mother. Jack's daughter is the mother of Hannah....Tammi's Step-daughter

Hi Monkeys
I didnt post this earlier for several reasons but Darla is correct Gabrielle is Tammi's biological daughter. I found her earlier this week after reading the myspace, cafe mom post Tammi read.

I made a friend request on facebook to the oldest daughter Gabrielle because she is in my neck of the woods. She did respond to me and confirmed what all of you monkeys have already figured out that Tammi is a liar and unstable. She painted a completely different picture of what happened when Tammi and her husband split up.
I invited her to read or post here at scared monkeys. I explained to her that if she had anything that might bring this baby home to contact law enforcement. She gave me the impression that law enforcemt did not believe what they told them about Tammi.Gabrielle calls Tammi her biological mother....she wants nothing to do with her. Another sibling has contact with Tammi but not on such good terms. Last night Tammi posted on this other daughters facebook and it sounds like her daughter has had enough with Tammi's shenangans (sp?) Gabrielle said it is as though Tammi is trying to create this other "family" to try and regain the relationship with her biological children. Gabrielle said she trys not to keep up with Tammi but that her dad and one of the siblings does. 

She was very forthcoming with information when I explained why I was contacting her.
But looking back I think maybe I shouldnt have contacted her because her and her siblings are minors and probably do not need all this drama and I think maybe doing what I did was stepping over the line. But I hoped maybe she might be able to shed some light on baby Gabriel.
Thank-you for all that information. I don't think think you stepped over the line, and if Gabrielle thought you did, she wouldn't have said so much to you. That does seem what Tammi is doing, creating another family and this time maybe not making as many mistakes. I think Tammi is mentally unstable.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: cartfly on January 09, 2010, 09:26:53 PM
From G's emails she sounds very happy to be with her father and siblings and not Tammi. I was glad to learn that she and her siblings were happy and doing well. She sounds like a very smart young lady with a good head on her shoulder. It seems the children are with the best parent in my opinion. G has even posted on her facebook to pray for the return of baby Gabriel.

Tammi is so transparent though. Tammi apparently cant keep her lies straight.

(I havent been to scared monkeys since the Shaniya case in North Carolina. That case just did me in that I needed to step away for awhile)


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 09, 2010, 09:35:50 PM
Does anybody think that Tammi's daughter's name if Gabrielle and ... Elizabeth Johnson's son is named Gabriel goes beyond a coincidence?

In the past ten years there appears to be a trend in our church for parents to afford their babies Biblical names.  We have Hannahs, Marys, Sarahs, Ruths, Calebs, Joshuas, Noahs, Isaiahs along with the tradition/popular names.  However ... not one Gabriel or Gabriella.

Janet


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Babybear on January 09, 2010, 09:37:36 PM
From G's emails she sounds very happy to be with her father and siblings and not Tammi. I was glad to learn that she and her siblings were happy and doing well. She sounds like a very smart young lady with a good head on her shoulder. It seems the children are with the best parent in my opinion. G has even posted on her facebook to pray for the return of baby Gabriel.

Tammi is so transparent though. Tammi apparently cant keep her lies straight.

(I havent been to scared monkeys since the Shaniya case in North Carolina. That case just did me in that I needed to step away for awhile)

I think Tammi is transparent too and I think she is part of some underground baby ring.  I also think that she is too stupid to keep her mouth shut because she suddenly saw a camera with a red light on and became addicted.  Like George and Cindy.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: leslee on January 09, 2010, 09:40:05 PM
How much anyone wanna bet the Anthonys have "reached out" to the Smiths ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

I have to laugh because I was reading at another site and it seems a majority of them think Tammi sincerely just wanted to adopt a child. I don't buy that for a New York minute! Why would she help EJ set up something underground in Texas if that were the case or troll all over the net for people to "help" her? No children are dispensible to her.... and by the loving comments her daughters leave.... always have been! I am glad her bio kids did not have to deal with that toxicity growing up.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: darla on January 09, 2010, 09:40:56 PM
Cartfly ...good to see you and Thanks for telling us about your conversation. I had found something last night going from one facebook to the other and saw where the younger daughter had left Tammi an ugly post about her never being their mother and was going to go back and bring it over here but couldn't find it again. I don't think you overstepped with Gabrielle and I think she may already be 18. She graduated high school in 2009. l


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: cartfly on January 09, 2010, 09:43:17 PM
(Mods if this inappropriate please delete)

Facebook Post between Tammi and one of her bio children:


(biochild post):

the reason why i doubt you is b/c you did the same thing to us. i have every reason! i would never be sad or hurt about the things im saying about you..b/c i know there true. stop with these stupid games. tell everyone where the baby is. its gettin old im tired of watching you on the news!! XOXO (my ass!!)
18 hours ago

Tammi Peters Smith
What did I do to you? Fight for almost 5 years for custody of my own kids! Any mother would do that that loves her kids...Your father was doing a lot of ugly underhanded things to me and causing you three to sickness because of it. Which forced me into giving him a step-parent adoption which would allow you 3 to have a normal life! How could I ... See Morefinally be pushed into that??? Because of my love for you, and because of the Bible: King Solomon had two women stand before him professing that they were both the mothers of that child. He said he will cut the child in half and they could both have one half of the child. One mother cried out, "NO", let her have the child! And that is when he knew who the real mother was.....I loved you kids so much that I was willing to give you up so that you wouldn't continue to be chopped up to bits! I won't email you again until all of this is over, and you will see that "everything" we have said has been true! And I "DO" love you!!!!
9 hours ago

(this one was posted earlier by another monkey)

Tammi Peters Smith
What would Jesus do? Say oh, well, let them find him! NO, he would walk barefoot and carry his own cross to his own death, just to save us all from our sins...So why should I cover my head and hide and not help? Jack and I have been the key to this whole investigation, we've helped them find just about every good clue that they have...The News ... See MoreMedia is "Reality TV" we know what goes on behind the scenes, but you don't...in order to play anything on TV, they have to have a new development in the case. That being said, we are their punching bag, and that's ok, cause if it helps find him, then we did our job! Our boss is God and he will be very happy that we did what was right even if it hurt us in the process....XOXO...When we find him and the whole truth is out, I pray your not hurt by the things you've said about me...I love you no matter what, but I wish you believed in me! After this,I hope you'll never doubt me again, nobody else that's close to me doubts us at all.....
Yesterday at 11:55pm


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 09, 2010, 09:43:27 PM
From G's emails she sounds very happy to be with her father and siblings and not Tammi. I was glad to learn that she and her siblings were happy and doing well. She sounds like a very smart young lady with a good head on her shoulder. It seems the children are with the best parent in my opinion. G has even posted on her facebook to pray for the return of baby Gabriel.

Tammi is so transparent though. Tammi apparently cant keep her lies straight.

(I havent been to scared monkeys since the Shaniya case in North Carolina. That case just did me in that I needed to step away for awhile)

Happy you are back  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 09, 2010, 09:47:32 PM
Can anyone remember what kind of dogs EJ sold?  Tammi said she had two small dogs that she sold to fund her trip.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: darla on January 09, 2010, 09:50:20 PM
Can anyone remember what kind of dogs EJ sold?  Tammi said she had two small dogs that she sold to fund her trip.


Yorkies!


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: cartfly on January 09, 2010, 09:51:54 PM
Cartfly ...good to see you and Thanks for telling us about your conversation. I had found something last night going from one facebook to the other and saw where the younger daughter had left Tammi an ugly post about her never being their mother and was going to go back and bring it over here but couldn't find it again. I don't think you overstepped with Gabrielle and I think she may already be 18. She graduated high school in 2009. l

Hi Darla,
You must have ESP! I was surprised to see the younger daughter going at Tammi on her actual facebook page too. I didnt catch that G had graduated in 2009, so I guess she would be 18.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: no rose colored glasses on January 09, 2010, 09:52:21 PM
From G's emails she sounds very happy to be with her father and siblings and not Tammi. I was glad to learn that she and her siblings were happy and doing well. She sounds like a very smart young lady with a good head on her shoulder. It seems the children are with the best parent in my opinion. G has even posted on her facebook to pray for the return of baby Gabriel.

Tammi is so transparent though. Tammi apparently cant keep her lies straight.

(I havent been to scared monkeys since the Shaniya case in North Carolina. That case just did me in that I needed to step away for awhile)
Thank-you for that info. And I can certainly understand stepping away for awhile, all these horrific cases takes a toll.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: cartfly on January 09, 2010, 09:53:29 PM
From G's emails she sounds very happy to be with her father and siblings and not Tammi. I was glad to learn that she and her siblings were happy and doing well. She sounds like a very smart young lady with a good head on her shoulder. It seems the children are with the best parent in my opinion. G has even posted on her facebook to pray for the return of baby Gabriel.

Tammi is so transparent though. Tammi apparently cant keep her lies straight.

(I havent been to scared monkeys since the Shaniya case in North Carolina. That case just did me in that I needed to step away for awhile)

Happy you are back  ::MonkeyAngel::

Thanks Northern Rose!!! ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: darla on January 09, 2010, 09:54:46 PM
no, no ESP, but remember seeing it last night and then couldn't find it again. Cartfly..... Could you email me grandma.angels@yahoo.com


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: cartfly on January 09, 2010, 10:03:06 PM
Done!


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: cookie on January 09, 2010, 10:06:48 PM
I wonder if this is the Janet Morris that Tammi says she aske to call EJ? 

Janet Morris
The Adoption Place
Nashville, TN
(615) 473-5153
adoptionplace@aol.com

http://www.onetruegift.com/home-study-providers/tn




Good Evening Monkeys and Guest!


Yes Northern, they are one and the same!

Gabrielle isn't Hannah's mother. Jack's daughter is the mother of Hannah....Tammi's Step-daughter

that is what I had thought...I am getting confused and it doesn't take much.. ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: darla on January 09, 2010, 10:19:26 PM
Done!



Back at you


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 09, 2010, 10:28:04 PM
Geraldo is doing a piece on Gabriel - bets that the Smiths show up on his show tonight.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: cartfly on January 09, 2010, 10:44:55 PM
Geraldo is doing a piece on Gabriel - bets that the Smiths show up on his show tonight.

Do you think the Anthony's will come along too?  ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyBike::

Darn, I cant watch it! My son is playing a game on the WII on the TV. Let us know what happens if possible. Thanks


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 09, 2010, 10:46:11 PM
He just said Smiths after commercial.....lets see what changes in the story tonight.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: crazybabyborg on January 09, 2010, 10:49:32 PM
This case is just bizarre! My prayers go out for Gabriel's safety!


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: cartfly on January 09, 2010, 10:50:40 PM
He just said Smiths after commercial.....lets see what changes in the story tonight.
::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

I just convinced my son to take a WII break, Geraldo just cut off Tammi about her "body talk" to gt suppressed memorys from them??? What the hell they cant remember what happened a month ago?
She's a nut case.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 09, 2010, 10:53:26 PM
Here we go:

Smiths took poly Friday no word on results

Tammi - what they think is we know something cognatively.  We offered to go in  to do body talk to pull out memories from our memory bank from all the conversations and calls....

 G - Do they believe EJ gave Gabriel away randomly on the side of the road?

Jack - this woman has some problems, but maybe in her abstract mind she felt like that was what she was supposed to do

G - Tammi do you want this child.

Tammi- No.  My family is getting messed up because of this.  At this point I can not take another child.







Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: crazybabyborg on January 09, 2010, 10:54:01 PM
He just said Smiths after commercial.....lets see what changes in the story tonight.
::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

I just convinced my son to take a WII break, Geraldo just cut off Tammi about her "body talk" to gt suppressed memorys from them??? What the hell they cant remember what happened a month ago?
She's a nut case.

I saw that too, cartfly!  ::MonkeyEek::

WTH????? 


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 09, 2010, 10:55:14 PM
Wow a flip Jack had from last night saying Ej was a good mom casue she gave Gabriel all his shots to this woman has issues tonight


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 09, 2010, 10:56:59 PM
I am thinking their new BFF Yanni from Fox San Antonio begged Geraldo to put them on and he did it but was not happy.  He is more interested in his beard and his beard is getting more time on the show


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: crazybabyborg on January 09, 2010, 10:58:46 PM
I am thinking their new BFF Yanni from Fox San Antonio begged Geraldo to put them on and he did it but was not happy.  He is more interested in his beard and his beard is getting more time on the show

Which didn't get cut off............... Geraldo got cut off instead!   ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 09, 2010, 11:03:28 PM
Darla - do you think Tammi would know the difference between Yorkies and Chihuahuas?


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: darla on January 09, 2010, 11:06:10 PM
Here we go:

Smiths took poly Friday no word on results

Tammi - what they think is we know something cognatively.  We offered to go in  to do body talk to pull out memories from our memory bank from all the conversations and calls....

 G - Do they believe EJ gave Gabriel away randomly on the side of the road?

Jack - this woman has some problems, but maybe in her abstract mind she felt like that was what she was supposed to do

G - Tammi do you want this child.

Tammi- No.  My family is getting messed up because of this.  At this point I can not take another child.








What in the crap is body talk? I am just getting a gut feeling that lil Gabriel is not safe. I think if someone has him they would have left him somewhere by now.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 09, 2010, 11:09:08 PM
Here we go:

Smiths took poly Friday no word on results

Tammi - what they think is we know something cognatively.  We offered to go in  to do body talk to pull out memories from our memory bank from all the conversations and calls....

 G - Do they believe EJ gave Gabriel away randomly on the side of the road?

Jack - this woman has some problems, but maybe in her abstract mind she felt like that was what she was supposed to do

G - Tammi do you want this child.

Tammi- No.  My family is getting messed up because of this.  At this point I can not take another child.








What in the crap is body talk? I am just getting a gut feeling that lil Gabriel is not safe. I think if someone has him they would have left him somewhere by now.

I agree.   I checked out the Victoria TX local news paper today and there was NOT ONE story about Gabriel.  The top story was Girl Scout Cookies.   ::MonkeyNoNo::  I searched their site and there was nothing that came up on Gabriel ever. 


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: darla on January 09, 2010, 11:12:26 PM
Northern I haven't had a chance to call that Tornado bus line yet, but will do it sometime tomorrow. Do you remember what page that number was on? I have had limited time today.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 09, 2010, 11:21:11 PM
Northern I haven't had a chance to call that Tornado bus line yet, but will do it sometime tomorrow. Do you remember what page that number was on? I have had limited time today.

I sent you all the numbers for when you have time. 


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: darla on January 09, 2010, 11:46:57 PM
Thanks Northern, I will get on it tomorrow. You Monkeys have a goodnight, I am going to bed, today has not been a good day for me. God Bless!


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 09, 2010, 11:51:43 PM
Good night and god bless Darla


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Edward on January 10, 2010, 12:34:49 AM
I have no idea BUT,
Have police checked the landfills in San Antonio ?

I hate the what ifs BUT,

She could have possibly murdered her child ? put the body in a dumpster at any motel she was staying at ?

Then she had planned on ditching the car, In her little mind she thought that police would consider her victim of a  carjacking and missing..
 She on the other hand would have been starting a new life in Florida ?

Anyways ..That was just a thought.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 10, 2010, 12:52:47 AM
I have no idea BUT,
Have police checked the landfills in San Antonio ?

I hate the what ifs BUT,

She could have possibly murdered her child ? put the body in a dumpster at any motel she was staying at ?

Then she had planned on ditching the car, In her little mind she thought that police would consider her victim of a  carjacking and missing..
 She on the other hand would have been starting a new life in Florida ?

Anyways ..That was just a thought.

Nothing has been mentioned about them checking landfills.  It is possible she murdered Gabriel.  She sent Logan a text on Dec 27 saying she had killed Gabriel, put him in a diaper bag and put him in a dumpster.  That she would not tell him where to find Gabriel until she left the country.   Later she said that she only wanted to hurt Logan by saying that.

She borrowed grampa's car for her trip.  Grampa said that she told him she was going to change her social insurance number and name as well as Gabriel's and run forever. 


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 10, 2010, 01:01:04 AM
Grandfather of missing baby says life was hard on mom

Elizabeth Johnson's grandfather says she grew up with a drug-addicted father and an alcoholic mother and then bounced around five different foster homes.

She has always been impulsive, secretive and prone to fits of rage. A relative says that as a child, she would break windows in her home and chased her father with a plunger.

Yet she carried a 4.0 GPA through high school, and she was determined to not let her son suffer the same kind of childhood she had.


That is why her grandfather Bob Johnson says he can't believe she would harm her baby, Gabriel, even to get back at the boy's father.

Elizabeth is now sitting in a Miami, Fla., jail, awaiting extradition to Arizona, and a nationwide search is on for her 8-month-old baby after she sent text messages to the boy's father, Logan McQueary, saying she'd killed their baby. She later recanted, saying she'd given Gabriel to a couple she met in a park in Texas.

The drama played out on national television all last week, with McQueary, appearing on national cable news stations and network morning shows pleading for Gabriel to be returned.

"She's got a spiteful streak," said Bob, who is the person Elizabeth has turned to the most since her parents died.

"She has a pattern of physical destruction," he said. "I don't know why she hates Logan so much. He tried as hard as he could to make her happy, but she's a tough horse to ride."

Court records and interviews show that Elizabeth's fights with McQueary were so violent that she cut up his clothes and broke windows in the apartment they shared. Elizabeth was charged with domestic-violence-related criminal damage and went into a diversion program, court records show.

McQueary got an order of protection against her in September, but it took only days for the couple to make up. He didn't appear in court, and the order was quashed.

In early December, three days before Elizabeth took her baby and left Arizona in her 1995 Oldsmobile, she told her grandfather, "I'm taking care of business."

She rented out a room in her home at a Tempe trailer park to a man found through Craigslist.

She told Bob she had a job interview and needed a ride. The next time he heard from her was nearly two weeks later, when she called collect from jail.

Elizabeth has refused to talk to police or the FBI, who are trying to piece together her cross-country odyssey. Before she was arrested in Florida, she texted McQueary from Texas and said she killed the boy and left him in a dumpster. She later told to a local television station that she gave him away to a couple she met in a San Antonio park.

According to McQueary, the couple broke up on Dec. 8. Around the same time, Elizabeth told her grandfather about the plan to give Gabriel to Jack and Tammi Smith, a Scottsdale couple.

She had met Tammi at Boston's Logan International Airport. The Smiths spent the following seven months trying to adopt Gabriel. They even had custody of him for 10 to 12 days.

Police now suspect the Smiths may know the child's whereabouts and have named them persons of interest in the case.

Bob said his granddaughter told him the baby's best future lay with the Smiths.

"I want him to have a better life than I did," she told him, "and the way things are going with me and Logan, he doesn't (have) a chance."

McQueary refused to sign over his parental rights. Elizabeth told her grandfather she planned to circumvent McQueary by avoiding him for 30 days and then claiming abandonment. It didn't take long for him to catch on. He petitioned for full custody on Dec. 11.

A week later, McQueary went to Elizabeth's trailer to pick up the boy, but she was gone.

Since then, Bob has heard from his granddaughter twice. First, she called to ask for Tammi Smith's home phone number to call her collect from jail. In the second conversation, which was recorded by a local television station, Elizabeth said she had not killed her baby but had given him to a couple in a San Antonio park.

Bob said he is not sure he believes that story, but he does think the boy is alive.

He has photos of Gabriel with his parents at Thanksgiving. One shows them feeding him. Another shows Elizabeth lying on the couch with her legs draped across McQueary, both smiling. The whole day, relatives commented on how much McQueary doted over the boy. The couple seemed happy.

When asked if Elizabeth was capable of following through on the threats she made to McQueary, Bob paused.

"I think anybody is capable, including Elizabeth, in a fit of rage," he said.

"I just hope they find the baby healthy and well, and these criminal charges get worked out," he said. "I'd like to see that baby put in a good home."


http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/local/articles/2010/01/10/20100110missingbaby0110.html


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 10, 2010, 01:38:24 AM
She rented out a room in her home at a Tempe trailer park to a man found through Craigslist.

Tammi said she rented the room out for 400.00 on NG

On court documents her address is 4605 S Priest Dr Lot 153. Tempe (which is across from a mall)

I don't know when the first ad was placed as it only shows up in a search, the actual ad has expired.  She was busy , busy busy.  Giving away the baby stuff is not a good sign.  I believe that Tammi found her from craigslist now and the airport story is full of cr@p.  (oh and Tammi, they are not Yorkies!)

free rent 4 live in nanny
... nanny so i can go back to work. i can only offer free rent and food for now untill i find work than can give wages. please call XXX-XXX-XXXX no emails ...
phoenix.craigslist.org/cph/roo/1501185877.html

live in nanny wanted free rent
8 Dec 2009 ... provide free rent and free food. female wanted for the job. i myself am a single female. please call XXX-XXX-XXXX. no emails please.

phoenix.craigslist.org/cph/wan/1501107108.html


$400 room for rent (tempe)
Date: 2009-12-10, 8:09AM MST

hi i have a room for rent it has its own private bathroom. the community is directly across the street from az mills mall. rent is 400 a month no security deposit required. rent includes free utilities, cable, phone and i have internet here. call XXX-XXX-XXXX if interested.
http://phoenix.craigslist.org/evl/roo/1503595618.html

pomeranians (tempe)
Date: 2009-12-11, 10:50AM MST
Hi I have my 3 pomeranians i need to rehome. they are between 2 and 3 years old. 2 females both black and white, and a tan male all not fixed. rehoming applies. no emails please and sorry i am not able to post pics, so you will have to stop by to see them. call me at XXX-XXX-XXXXX leave a message if i'm not their i will be a bit busy today.

http://phoenix.craigslist.org/evl/pet/1505423124.html

$400 Room for Rent (Tempe)
Date: 2009-12-11, 10:51AM MST

Hi I have one bedroom for rent, available immediately. good sized room, own bathroom good location. In a community across the street form az mills mall. I own the home. REnt is 400 includes everthing, i have cable and a house phone and interenet connection. Room comes with a bed. call XXX-XXX-XXXX leave a message if i dont pick up i'll be out for the day.
http://phoenix.craigslist.org/cph/roo/1505414750.html

free baby stuff (tempe)
Date: 2009-12-12, 7:02PM MST

hi i have a lot of free baby stuff to give away. call in the morning tomorrow-XXX-XXX-XXXX

http://phoenix.craigslist.org/cph/zip/1507588240.html




Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 10, 2010, 01:40:24 AM
Published at 08-12-2009Viewed: 3 times

live in nanny wanted free rent (tempe)

hi i am in need of a full time live in nanny so i can go back to work. i dont have any family to help me out with my 7 month baby. i can only provide free rent and free food. female wanted for the job. i myself am a single female. please call XXX-XXX-XXXX. no emails please.

http://soldphoenix.com/job/140436/live-in-nanny-wanted-free-rent-tempe-at/


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 10, 2010, 01:45:07 AM
(Monday, Dec 14)

free baby stuff (tempe): hi i have a lot of free baby stuff to give away. call in the morning tomorrow XXX-XXX-XXXX

http://74.125.95.132/search?q=cache:m5poc5PDungJ:twillage.com/search%3Fq%3D%26d%3DThursday,%2520Nov%252026%26city%3Dtempe%26state%3Daz%26country%3Dus+480-456-3608&cd=9&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=ca


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: cartfly on January 10, 2010, 01:59:39 AM
Hey guys, check this out and see if this looks like Gabriel to you guys.
http://www.facebook.com/people/Tammi-Peters-Smith/1585061919#/gabrielle.facio?ref=mf



SusieQ, I know lol, I have gone through everyone of them about 10 times

Hi Monkeys,

I was asked by "G" to reinterate and correct that the child in her facebook picture is not Hannah or Gabriel (Jack and Tammi's adopted granddaughter) "G" does not have any children and the child in this photo is of no relation to Tammi or Jack. "G" just wanted to clarify that because they have been thrust into the spotlight.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 10, 2010, 02:03:34 AM
Hey guys, check this out and see if this looks like Gabriel to you guys.
http://www.facebook.com/people/Tammi-Peters-Smith/1585061919#/gabrielle.facio?ref=mf



SusieQ, I know lol, I have gone through everyone of them about 10 times

Hi Monkeys,

I was asked by "G" to reinterate and correct that the child in her facebook picture is not Hannah or Gabriel (Jack and Tammi's adopted granddaughter) "G" does not have any children and the child in this photo is of no relation to Tammi or Jack. "G" just wanted to clarify that because they have been thrust into the spotlight.

Thank you so much Cartfly.  Wishing all 3 of them strength to get through this.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: cartfly on January 10, 2010, 02:04:51 AM
Can someone point me to the site/or page here where it was posted something about Tammi writing a book. Inquiring minds are requesting it. Thanks, I will look around in the meantime. I thought it was the cafemom site someone captured earlier. Anyhelp would be apprectiated.  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: cartfly on January 10, 2010, 02:11:09 AM
Hey guys, check this out and see if this looks like Gabriel to you guys.
http://www.facebook.com/people/Tammi-Peters-Smith/1585061919#/gabrielle.facio?ref=mf



SusieQ, I know lol, I have gone through everyone of them about 10 times

Hi Monkeys,

I was asked by "G" to reinterate and correct that the child in her facebook picture is not Hannah or Gabriel (Jack and Tammi's adopted granddaughter) "G" does not have any children and the child in this photo is of no relation to Tammi or Jack. "G" just wanted to clarify that because they have been thrust into the spotlight.

Thank you so much Cartfly.  Wishing all 3 of them strength to get through this.

Thanks Northern Rose to you too, you and alot of monkeys have done alot of research. Thanks for spending so much time updating and researching. ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: cartfly on January 10, 2010, 02:12:06 AM
Can someone point me to the site/or page here where it was posted something about Tammi writing a book. Inquiring minds are requesting it. Thanks, I will look around in the meantime. I thought it was the cafemom site someone captured earlier. Anyhelp would be apprectiated.  ::MonkeyWink::

Oops, I think I just found it. Northern Rose had posted it earlier.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 10, 2010, 02:12:31 AM
Can someone point me to the site/or page here where it was posted something about Tammi writing a book. Inquiring minds are requesting it. Thanks, I will look around in the meantime. I thought it was the cafemom site someone captured earlier. Anyhelp would be apprectiated.  ::MonkeyWink::


She has "flushed" a lot of her info,  the origional post of this included.  I grabed a text copy and the actual link before it got flushed.


tammifay's Journal

Hi, my name is Tammi Fay Peters Smith. I'm from Phoenix, AZ.   I got married at 16 years of age to escape a horrific childhood.  On my journey into adulthood I found myself divorced and re-married by the time I was 18 years old.  I married a man much, much older than me and ended up having 3 wonderful children with him.  It just so happened that because of my childhood abuse, my new husband felt that he could abuse me in the same way that my father did.   No child or woman should ever have to endure that!  He also would leave me home with no money and no car.  I wasn't allowed to leave the house.  If my kids needed to go to the Dr. I had to push them in the stroller.  So, I began to become clinically depressed.  I had what they call Post  Traumatic Stress Disorder.  I tried to leave my husband, but he threatened to never let me see my kids again if I left him.  He said, "who's gonna help you, your druggie mom on welfare?"  So I didn't leave him.  Eventually he got tired of hearing me cry that I wanted to leave so he had a Dr. put me on Prozac!  Over six months time they had me taking tranquilizers, anti depressants, anti psychotics, etc. and he got a free ride with me...didn't have to rape me anymore, I was oblivious to anything, even my kids!  Very sad (for my kids especially) I know.   One day after trying to commit suicide on all those drugs, God reminded me that he was still there and he loved me.   So I figured out a way to wean myself off without him knowing.  That meant I would have to have sex with him willingly without a fight every day.  Eventually I was clear headed enough to realize what he had done to me.  So one morning after he left for work, I took my kids and left him to go back home to Arizona.  After having my kids for a few weeks in Arizona, my mom gave them to him so that we would not have to live with her any longer.  It took me almost a year to find my kids after that.  Long story short, I fought for the rights to see my kids for over 5 years.  Finally, I got joint custody.  But once again, he won!  The judge in Louisiana never made him hand over the kids every time it was my visitation.  It hurt my kids so bad because he would tell them I didn't love them enough to come see them when I would be there waiting every time.  Eventually, I realized that me being in their life was killing them because they were treated horribly for loving me and hugging me.  I finally signed over custody of my kids to him and his new wife.  My kids found me 2 years ago and we are able to talk via Myspace.com, and I visit them about every 3 months.  I since adopted a sweet little girl named Hannah Grace.  I believe she is God's grace to me.  As all I ever wanted since I was a little girl was to have lots of kids to love.  I am so happy to have all 4 kids in my life as well as all my kids in Africa.  I thank God for my journey and I pray that my children will use this as a tool to help others with their lives since they have been through so much with our divorce............If you are interest in the whole detailed story, please add me as a friend and let me know.  I'm still finishing my book!  It's called:  "The Silenced Truth"

http://www.cafemom.com/journals/read/1143907/Who_am_I


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 10, 2010, 02:16:36 AM
Can someone point me to the site/or page here where it was posted something about Tammi writing a book. Inquiring minds are requesting it. Thanks, I will look around in the meantime. I thought it was the cafemom site someone captured earlier. Anyhelp would be apprectiated.  ::MonkeyWink::

Oops, I think I just found it. Northern Rose had posted it earlier.

This may be interesting as well


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: cartfly on January 10, 2010, 02:17:30 AM
 ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::
Thanks NorthRose!! You are such a smart monkey getting that info before the eternal flush! ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: cartfly on January 10, 2010, 02:19:20 AM
Can someone point me to the site/or page here where it was posted something about Tammi writing a book. Inquiring minds are requesting it. Thanks, I will look around in the meantime. I thought it was the cafemom site someone captured earlier. Anyhelp would be apprectiated.  ::MonkeyWink::

Oops, I think I just found it. Northern Rose had posted it earlier.

This may be interesting as well

Thanks, I will pass that on too!


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 10, 2010, 02:23:12 AM
Travis Warford
Re: Baby Gabriel Adoptive Parents

I'm Travis Warford, Jack Smith's son-in-law. He and Tammi wanted me to sign adoption papers for Hannah, my daughter, but when I refused they sold their house and moved to Az where they falsified docs to adopt her there. We were in court about it when my work required I leave the state, returning to news they'd sold their home and moved west. He offered me money, time and again. which I refused. Hannah Grace is my daughter, I have pics of my wedding to her mother and can name those present. Jack Smith is a liar. I can prove it thru court records. He probably paid Elizabeth off. The people aren't who they say they are.

Tandywarford@hotmail.com


http://today.newsvine.com/_news/2010/01/07/3725520-is-missing-baby-gabriel-still-alive?pc=25&sp=25


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 10, 2010, 03:05:47 AM
Missing baby's mother extradited to Arizona

PHOENIX, Ariz.-- The mother at the center of a national missing baby case has been extradited to Phoenix from Miami, Florida, according to Maricopa County Sheriff's deputies.


MORE....

http://www.abc15.com/content/news/southeastvalley/tempe/story/Missing-babys-mother-extradited-to-Arizona/xgsbK2cK80iD5ZWBC0ifjg.cspx


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: no rose colored glasses on January 10, 2010, 10:12:16 AM
Thanks for all the updates  ::MonkeyCool:: Wonder if Elizabeth will be helpful now that she has been extradited? I doubt it, but now the Smith's will probably go visit her in jail  ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: seahorse on January 10, 2010, 10:44:19 AM
Missing baby's mother extradited to Arizona

PHOENIX, Ariz.-- The mother at the center of a national missing baby case has been extradited to Phoenix from Miami, Florida, according to Maricopa County Sheriff's deputies.


MORE....

http://www.abc15.com/content/news/southeastvalley/tempe/story/Missing-babys-mother-extradited-to-Arizona/xgsbK2cK80iD5ZWBC0ifjg.cspx


Hi No Rose,

Is this grandpa? Is there A grandma?   ::MonkeyEek::TIA 


Bob W Johnson

View Details
 -  Scottsdale, AZ
Mesa, AZ
Gilbert, AZ
Townshend, VT           Robert A Johnson
Doris Lorraine Johnson
Elizabeth J Johnson
Fern H Johnson
Patricia P Johnson
Marilyn M Johnson
Eileen C Johnson
Leroy E Johnson
Ferne H Johnson 



Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: seahorse on January 10, 2010, 10:46:49 AM
http://www.intelius.com/search-summary-out.php?ReportType=1&qf=bob&qmi=w&qn=Johnson&qs=AZ&trackit=74&focusfirst=1

#4

Bob W. Johnson

 ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: no rose colored glasses on January 10, 2010, 10:57:08 AM
I believe that I read somewhere that grandpa and grandma Johnson are divorced, don't know where the grandma lives.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Edward on January 10, 2010, 11:50:55 AM
::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::
Thanks NorthRose!! You are such a smart monkey getting that info before the eternal flush! ::MonkeyHaHa::

You are very sharp and focused Northern Rose.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: seahorse on January 10, 2010, 11:54:50 AM
I believe that I read somewhere that grandpa and grandma Johnson are divorced, don't know where the grandma lives.

No Rose,

Do you have this link?  Is this the right County? 

http://recorder.maricopa.gov/recdocdata/


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: no rose colored glasses on January 10, 2010, 12:08:31 PM
I believe that I read somewhere that grandpa and grandma Johnson are divorced, don't know where the grandma lives.

No Rose,

Do you have this link?  Is this the right County? 

http://recorder.maricopa.gov/recdocdata/
I believe that is the right county.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Monkey with Class on January 10, 2010, 12:13:05 PM
Northern Rose....so sorry....I was totally frozen and could not answer you. 

Re the reason for Victoria...really do not know.  I remember it as a smallish Texas town
and when checking the links, a high mexican population....but who really thinks the
baby has gone to Mexico...?  He might well be right there in Victoria.

Daughter went to college in San Antonio and had friends in Victoria.  Wish I could
help but really know nothing of the underground...or baby brokers for that matter.

Again...thanks.

Mere, it is funny (odd) you said this. I was reading an article the other day on this case and my daughter walked in and sat down beside me, looked over and asked what happened to him (she saw his photo but not the title) I asked what she meant and she said she saw him with a Hispanic couple in a store here and when she asked what his name was, the woman said Gabriel, she told them how cute he was and walked away, when she looked back, she said the couple were visibly arguing but she was not sure why. I dismissed it because she makes up stories, how ever, she told me this before I told her he was missing and I just did not think a Hispanic couple would 'adopt' a white baby. She was visibly shaken when I told her he was a missing baby. I just don't know what to think.
I wanted to add, I also dismissed what my daughter said, not just because of her history of story telling,but because I felt EJ had killed baby Gabe.

Wow - did you call LE?
Hi, no, I did not because again, my daughter is known for making up stories and I still think that if someone had him, he would have been turned over already.  I just have a very difficult time believing my daughter on things such as this, I mean she makes up stories on stupid little things as well as important things, so I never know when to believe her. I would hate to waste LE time for one of her trumped up stories so I just don't know what to do.

Searching  That is a hard call for sure. Might you call LE and tell them what she said but kind of tell them why you are having a hard time believing her etc. If it's nothing they can just put it down as bad lead. But if was him it might help find him. Hope that helps. Like I said it's a hard call for sure.
Thank you GE. It is a difficult decision and I have had sleepless nights since she said it just trying to figure out how to handle it.

Searching.....   It would not take long for LE to check this out.   The store prob has video system installed.   I would at least call and tell them your daughter's thoughts.   And explain she has made up stories before.  No stones should be left un checked.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: darla on January 10, 2010, 12:24:53 PM
Good Afternoon Monkeys and Guest!

I was looking at the Craiglist ads that Northern Posted. Elizabeth stated that she owned the mobile home. Where did she get money to buy a home? I thought she and Logan lived in an apartment? That girl was really busy there for a couple of days. And as the days go by with no sign of lil Gabriel, my hopes that he will be found safe are dwindling. With nationwide coverage and the FBI involved I honestly think if someone had him they would have dropped him off somewhere. I am praying the precious baby is safe, but just not sure anymore.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 10, 2010, 12:37:05 PM
Good Afternoon Monkeys and Guest!

I was looking at the Craiglist ads that Northern Posted. Elizabeth stated that she owned the mobile home. Where did she get money to buy a home? I thought she and Logan lived in an apartment? That girl was really busy there for a couple of days. And as the days go by with no sign of lil Gabriel, my hopes that he will be found safe are dwindling. With nationwide coverage and the FBI involved I honestly think if someone had him they would have dropped him off somewhere. I am praying the precious baby is safe, but just not sure anymore.

I found the dates of the ads for the nanny interesting and do believe Tammi found her via craigslist now. 


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: no rose colored glasses on January 10, 2010, 12:41:06 PM
Good Afternoon Monkeys and Guest!

I was looking at the Craiglist ads that Northern Posted. Elizabeth stated that she owned the mobile home. Where did she get money to buy a home? I thought she and Logan lived in an apartment? That girl was really busy there for a couple of days. And as the days go by with no sign of lil Gabriel, my hopes that he will be found safe are dwindling. With nationwide coverage and the FBI involved I honestly think if someone had him they would have dropped him off somewhere. I am praying the precious baby is safe, but just not sure anymore.
I wondered that also, unless grandpa bought her a trailer, but then why was she living in an apartment? I'm beginning to think she did something to Gabriel, and it wasn't turn him over to another couple.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 10, 2010, 12:42:41 PM
Her mugshot has not shown up yet as being booked in

http://www.mcso.org/index.php?a=GetModule&mn=Mugshot

Sherriff Joe looks like he means business.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: darla on January 10, 2010, 12:50:56 PM
I didn't think she would be moved until her extradition hearing on Jan 16th in Florida.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: no rose colored glasses on January 10, 2010, 12:51:39 PM
 The longer Elizabeth sits in jail without cooperating, the more I think she is protecting herself, and herself only. She knows the truth would keep her in jail for a very long time. IMO


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Searching on January 10, 2010, 12:52:23 PM
Grandfather of missing baby says life was hard on mom

Elizabeth Johnson's grandfather says she grew up with a drug-addicted father and an alcoholic mother and then bounced around five different foster homes.

She has always been impulsive, secretive and prone to fits of rage. A relative says that as a child, she would break windows in her home and chased her father with a plunger.

Yet she carried a 4.0 GPA through high school, and she was determined to not let her son suffer the same kind of childhood she had.


That is why her grandfather Bob Johnson says he can't believe she would harm her baby, Gabriel, even to get back at the boy's father.

Elizabeth is now sitting in a Miami, Fla., jail, awaiting extradition to Arizona, and a nationwide search is on for her 8-month-old baby after she sent text messages to the boy's father, Logan McQueary, saying she'd killed their baby. She later recanted, saying she'd given Gabriel to a couple she met in a park in Texas.

The drama played out on national television all last week, with McQueary, appearing on national cable news stations and network morning shows pleading for Gabriel to be returned.

"She's got a spiteful streak," said Bob, who is the person Elizabeth has turned to the most since her parents died.

"She has a pattern of physical destruction," he said. "I don't know why she hates Logan so much. He tried as hard as he could to make her happy, but she's a tough horse to ride."

Court records and interviews show that Elizabeth's fights with McQueary were so violent that she cut up his clothes and broke windows in the apartment they shared. Elizabeth was charged with domestic-violence-related criminal damage and went into a diversion program, court records show.

McQueary got an order of protection against her in September, but it took only days for the couple to make up. He didn't appear in court, and the order was quashed.

In early December, three days before Elizabeth took her baby and left Arizona in her 1995 Oldsmobile, she told her grandfather, "I'm taking care of business."

She rented out a room in her home at a Tempe trailer park to a man found through Craigslist.

She told Bob she had a job interview and needed a ride. The next time he heard from her was nearly two weeks later, when she called collect from jail.

Elizabeth has refused to talk to police or the FBI, who are trying to piece together her cross-country odyssey. Before she was arrested in Florida, she texted McQueary from Texas and said she killed the boy and left him in a dumpster. She later told to a local television station that she gave him away to a couple she met in a San Antonio park.

According to McQueary, the couple broke up on Dec. 8. Around the same time, Elizabeth told her grandfather about the plan to give Gabriel to Jack and Tammi Smith, a Scottsdale couple.

She had met Tammi at Boston's Logan International Airport. The Smiths spent the following seven months trying to adopt Gabriel. They even had custody of him for 10 to 12 days.

Police now suspect the Smiths may know the child's whereabouts and have named them persons of interest in the case.

Bob said his granddaughter told him the baby's best future lay with the Smiths.

"I want him to have a better life than I did," she told him, "and the way things are going with me and Logan, he doesn't (have) a chance."

McQueary refused to sign over his parental rights. Elizabeth told her grandfather she planned to circumvent McQueary by avoiding him for 30 days and then claiming abandonment. It didn't take long for him to catch on. He petitioned for full custody on Dec. 11.

A week later, McQueary went to Elizabeth's trailer to pick up the boy, but she was gone.

Since then, Bob has heard from his granddaughter twice. First, she called to ask for Tammi Smith's home phone number to call her collect from jail. In the second conversation, which was recorded by a local television station, Elizabeth said she had not killed her baby but had given him to a couple in a San Antonio park.

Bob said he is not sure he believes that story, but he does think the boy is alive.

He has photos of Gabriel with his parents at Thanksgiving. One shows them feeding him. Another shows Elizabeth lying on the couch with her legs draped across McQueary, both smiling. The whole day, relatives commented on how much McQueary doted over the boy. The couple seemed happy.

When asked if Elizabeth was capable of following through on the threats she made to McQueary, Bob paused.

"I think anybody is capable, including Elizabeth, in a fit of rage," he said.

"I just hope they find the baby healthy and well, and these criminal charges get worked out," he said. "I'd like to see that baby put in a good home."


http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/local/articles/2010/01/10/20100110missingbaby0110.html

Maybe they were going to hire her at one of their clinics since she had experience   ::MonkeyJnBox::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 10, 2010, 12:54:17 PM
I didn't think she would be moved until her extradition hearing on Jan 16th in Florida.

I did not think so either but
PHOENIX, Ariz.-- The mother at the center of a national missing baby case has been extradited to Phoenix from Florida, according to Maricopa County Sheriff's deputies.

http://www.abc15.com/content/news/southeastvalley/tempe/story/Mother-of-missing-baby-gets-extradited-to-Arizona/xgsbK2cK80iD5ZWBC0ifjg.cspx


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Searching on January 10, 2010, 12:54:48 PM
Northern Rose....so sorry....I was totally frozen and could not answer you. 

Re the reason for Victoria...really do not know.  I remember it as a smallish Texas town
and when checking the links, a high mexican population....but who really thinks the
baby has gone to Mexico...?  He might well be right there in Victoria.

Daughter went to college in San Antonio and had friends in Victoria.  Wish I could
help but really know nothing of the underground...or baby brokers for that matter.

Again...thanks.

Mere, it is funny (odd) you said this. I was reading an article the other day on this case and my daughter walked in and sat down beside me, looked over and asked what happened to him (she saw his photo but not the title) I asked what she meant and she said she saw him with a Hispanic couple in a store here and when she asked what his name was, the woman said Gabriel, she told them how cute he was and walked away, when she looked back, she said the couple were visibly arguing but she was not sure why. I dismissed it because she makes up stories, how ever, she told me this before I told her he was missing and I just did not think a Hispanic couple would 'adopt' a white baby. She was visibly shaken when I told her he was a missing baby. I just don't know what to think.
I wanted to add, I also dismissed what my daughter said, not just because of her history of story telling,but because I felt EJ had killed baby Gabe.

Wow - did you call LE?
Hi, no, I did not because again, my daughter is known for making up stories and I still think that if someone had him, he would have been turned over already.  I just have a very difficult time believing my daughter on things such as this, I mean she makes up stories on stupid little things as well as important things, so I never know when to believe her. I would hate to waste LE time for one of her trumped up stories so I just don't know what to do.

Searching  That is a hard call for sure. Might you call LE and tell them what she said but kind of tell them why you are having a hard time believing her etc. If it's nothing they can just put it down as bad lead. But if was him it might help find him. Hope that helps. Like I said it's a hard call for sure.
Thank you GE. It is a difficult decision and I have had sleepless nights since she said it just trying to figure out how to handle it.

Searching.....   It would not take long for LE to check this out.   The store prob has video system installed.   I would at least call and tell them your daughter's thoughts.   And explain she has made up stories before.  No stones should be left un checked.
That is true and I am giving them a call and going to let them decide if they want to follow up or not. Thanks


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 10, 2010, 12:58:13 PM
The longer Elizabeth sits in jail without cooperating, the more I think she is protecting herself, and herself only. She knows the truth would keep her in jail for a very long time. IMO

I was just reading up on Sherriff Joe and he does not make it easy to be in his jails.  I now remember him from a story about his tent city.  He does not believe in letting out inmates because the jails are full and has a no frills jail policy.  This is not going to be the Hilton for her. 


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: no rose colored glasses on January 10, 2010, 01:00:59 PM
The longer Elizabeth sits in jail without cooperating, the more I think she is protecting herself, and herself only. She knows the truth would keep her in jail for a very long time. IMO

I was just reading up on Sherriff Joe and he does not make it easy to be in his jails.  I now remember him from a story about his tent city.  He does not believe in letting out inmates because the jails are full and has a no frills jail policy.  This is not going to be the Hilton for her. 
It will not be, Sheriff Joe does not fool around.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 10, 2010, 01:02:26 PM
MCSO: Missing Baby Mom Extradited To Ariz.
Still No Sign Of 8-Month-Old Gabriel

PHOENIX -- The mother at the center of a missing baby case is back in Arizona, according to Maricopa County sheriff's deputies.

MORE...

http://www.kpho.com/news/22197770/detail.html


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 10, 2010, 01:04:22 PM
Grandfather of missing baby says life was hard on mom

Elizabeth Johnson's grandfather says she grew up with a drug-addicted father and an alcoholic mother and then bounced around five different foster homes.

She has always been impulsive, secretive and prone to fits of rage. A relative says that as a child, she would break windows in her home and chased her father with a plunger.

Yet she carried a 4.0 GPA through high school, and she was determined to not let her son suffer the same kind of childhood she had.


That is why her grandfather Bob Johnson says he can't believe she would harm her baby, Gabriel, even to get back at the boy's father.

Elizabeth is now sitting in a Miami, Fla., jail, awaiting extradition to Arizona, and a nationwide search is on for her 8-month-old baby after she sent text messages to the boy's father, Logan McQueary, saying she'd killed their baby. She later recanted, saying she'd given Gabriel to a couple she met in a park in Texas.

The drama played out on national television all last week, with McQueary, appearing on national cable news stations and network morning shows pleading for Gabriel to be returned.

"She's got a spiteful streak," said Bob, who is the person Elizabeth has turned to the most since her parents died.

"She has a pattern of physical destruction," he said. "I don't know why she hates Logan so much. He tried as hard as he could to make her happy, but she's a tough horse to ride."

Court records and interviews show that Elizabeth's fights with McQueary were so violent that she cut up his clothes and broke windows in the apartment they shared. Elizabeth was charged with domestic-violence-related criminal damage and went into a diversion program, court records show.

McQueary got an order of protection against her in September, but it took only days for the couple to make up. He didn't appear in court, and the order was quashed.

In early December, three days before Elizabeth took her baby and left Arizona in her 1995 Oldsmobile, she told her grandfather, "I'm taking care of business."

She rented out a room in her home at a Tempe trailer park to a man found through Craigslist.

She told Bob she had a job interview and needed a ride. The next time he heard from her was nearly two weeks later, when she called collect from jail.

Elizabeth has refused to talk to police or the FBI, who are trying to piece together her cross-country odyssey. Before she was arrested in Florida, she texted McQueary from Texas and said she killed the boy and left him in a dumpster. She later told to a local television station that she gave him away to a couple she met in a San Antonio park.

According to McQueary, the couple broke up on Dec. 8. Around the same time, Elizabeth told her grandfather about the plan to give Gabriel to Jack and Tammi Smith, a Scottsdale couple.

She had met Tammi at Boston's Logan International Airport. The Smiths spent the following seven months trying to adopt Gabriel. They even had custody of him for 10 to 12 days.

Police now suspect the Smiths may know the child's whereabouts and have named them persons of interest in the case.

Bob said his granddaughter told him the baby's best future lay with the Smiths.

"I want him to have a better life than I did," she told him, "and the way things are going with me and Logan, he doesn't (have) a chance."

McQueary refused to sign over his parental rights. Elizabeth told her grandfather she planned to circumvent McQueary by avoiding him for 30 days and then claiming abandonment. It didn't take long for him to catch on. He petitioned for full custody on Dec. 11.

A week later, McQueary went to Elizabeth's trailer to pick up the boy, but she was gone.

Since then, Bob has heard from his granddaughter twice. First, she called to ask for Tammi Smith's home phone number to call her collect from jail. In the second conversation, which was recorded by a local television station, Elizabeth said she had not killed her baby but had given him to a couple in a San Antonio park.

Bob said he is not sure he believes that story, but he does think the boy is alive.

He has photos of Gabriel with his parents at Thanksgiving. One shows them feeding him. Another shows Elizabeth lying on the couch with her legs draped across McQueary, both smiling. The whole day, relatives commented on how much McQueary doted over the boy. The couple seemed happy.

When asked if Elizabeth was capable of following through on the threats she made to McQueary, Bob paused.

"I think anybody is capable, including Elizabeth, in a fit of rage," he said.

"I just hope they find the baby healthy and well, and these criminal charges get worked out," he said. "I'd like to see that baby put in a good home."


http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/local/articles/2010/01/10/20100110missingbaby0110.html

Maybe they were going to hire her at one of their clinics since she had experience   ::MonkeyJnBox::


 ::MonkeyHaHa::    ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: darla on January 10, 2010, 01:04:45 PM
Northern, I have called three different terminals for Tornado bus lines and this is what I have been told by all three. Houston Tx. is the hub for Tornado bus lines. If EJ got on the bus in San Antoinio, it would have went from SA to Houston. From Houston straight across to Ft. Myers. They have no terminal in Ft. Lauderdale. If someone got on the bus in SA it would not have gone to Victoria. The bus from SA leaves at 12 noon everyday. From SA-Ft.Myers is $170.00 one way. From what I have understood, since all of the agents I have talked with are Hispanic and hard to understand, their bus lines does not go through Victoria at all.  ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 10, 2010, 01:07:02 PM
Mother Of Missing Baby Returned To Arizona
The woman who’s at the center of a missing baby case with ties to Texas was back in Arizona Sunday.

PHOENIX (January 10, 2010)--The woman who’s at the center of the case of a missing baby who was last seen in Texas was back in Arizona Sunday.

Maricopa County sheriff's deputies said Elizabeth Johnson was transferred from Miami where she had been held since her recent arrest.

 Authorities are trying to determine what happened to Johnson's 8-month-old son Gabriel, who was last seen with her in San Antonio last month.

She said she gave the boy away there.

She made that statement after she told her ex-boyfriend she had killed the baby, but police don't think the child has been harmed.

Now, authorities say they are interested in a couple from Scottsdale that earlier wanted to adopt the baby and may know more about the missing child than they’re telling investigators, authorities said.

http://www.kwtx.com/home/headlines/81092982.html


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: no rose colored glasses on January 10, 2010, 01:17:05 PM
http://miami.craigslist.org/mdc/roo/1537399982.html  About the hostel where Elizabeth stayed, now I see why she stayed there, not having any knowledge of hostels, it answered my questions.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Edward on January 10, 2010, 01:25:03 PM
The longer Elizabeth sits in jail without cooperating, the more I think she is protecting herself, and herself only. She knows the truth would keep her in jail for a very long time. IMO

I was just reading up on Sherriff Joe and he does not make it easy to be in his jails.  I now remember him from a story about his tent city.  He does not believe in letting out inmates because the jails are full and has a no frills jail policy.  This is not going to be the Hilton for her. 

I remember this guy.. He makes them Earn their way to a proper bed and food.
But that is only for the convicted and she is not convicted of anything yet.

Kinda sounds like to me , This girl suffers from fetal alcohol syndrome from birth along with drugs doing damage to her chromosome makeup and she has been abused during her years of growing up.. Then it is postnatal depression.. Now she is an angry Bomb , looking for a place to explode.. No Logic just pure anger.
Her grandpa says she is a wild horse to ride..
It is an understatement..
She is an impossible Horse to Ride.
This child never had a chance.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Edward on January 10, 2010, 01:27:21 PM
Police are just guessing.

So am I.

She needs to tell and show.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: no rose colored glasses on January 10, 2010, 01:34:48 PM
The longer Elizabeth sits in jail without cooperating, the more I think she is protecting herself, and herself only. She knows the truth would keep her in jail for a very long time. IMO

I was just reading up on Sherriff Joe and he does not make it easy to be in his jails.  I now remember him from a story about his tent city.  He does not believe in letting out inmates because the jails are full and has a no frills jail policy.  This is not going to be the Hilton for her. 

I remember this guy.. He makes them Earn their way to a proper bed and food.
But that is only for the convicted and she is not convicted of anything yet.

Kinda sounds like to me , This girl suffers from fetal alcohol syndrome from birth along with drugs doing damage to her chromosome makeup and she has been abused during her years of growing up.. Then it is postnatal depression.. Now she is an angry Bomb , looking for a place to explode.. No Logic just pure anger.
Her grandpa says she is a wild horse to ride..
It is an understatement..
She is an impossible Horse to Ride.
This child never had a chance.
I can't stop thinking about her being bi polar, suffering from postpartum depression and off her medications. Also what she did inside that apartment, breaking things, and cutting things with a knife.  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: seahorse on January 10, 2010, 01:37:51 PM
I understand that Elizabeth was raised in the Eastern part of the US, perhaps MASS., althought I saw VERMONT on
the peoplefinders.com, "Bob W. Johnson", if this is who I believe may be gRANDPA.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 10, 2010, 01:39:58 PM
Northern, I have called three different terminals for Tornado bus lines and this is what I have been told by all three. Houston Tx. is the hub for Tornado bus lines. If EJ got on the bus in San Antoinio, it would have went from SA to Houston. From Houston straight across to Ft. Myers. They have no terminal in Ft. Lauderdale. If someone got on the bus in SA it would not have gone to Victoria. The bus from SA leaves at 12 noon everyday. From SA-Ft.Myers is $170.00 one way. From what I have understood, since all of the agents I have talked with are Hispanic and hard to understand, their bus lines does not go through Victoria at all.  ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyConfused::

Thank you for calling!  Something is wrong with the reporting of the bus.  The Fox clip http://www.foxsanantonio.com/newsroom/top_stories/videos/vid_903.shtml shows the Tornado terminal and the agent.  He said she waited for an hour in the terminal and paid $180.00 for the ticket for the bus that left at 1:00.   Could another bus line use the terminal?

She either did not wait in the terminal for an hour, or took a 1:00 bus to another place?   ::MonkeyConfused::   

The fact that the Tornado bus line does not go  through Victoria rules out her being their on their bus though. 


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 10, 2010, 01:41:57 PM
http://miami.craigslist.org/mdc/roo/1537399982.html  About the hostel where Elizabeth stayed, now I see why she stayed there, not having any knowledge of hostels, it answered my questions.

Great find No Rose!  I have been craigslist diving since yesterday as it seems to be EJ's favourite place that we know of on the net.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 10, 2010, 01:44:47 PM
Police are just guessing.

So am I.

She needs to tell and show.

I agree with you that Police are just guessing right now.  Wonder if bringing her back to AZ is part of the plan in the hopes that she will be more talkative?


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: darla on January 10, 2010, 01:50:19 PM
I had never been to Craigslist until night before last, and ended up reading til 3:30 am. Never did find her ads. But of course I had no idea how to find them lol. I sure hope no one ever goes through my cache to see where I have visited. Choroform., escort services., personal ads. Neck breaking, strangulation, body farms.

I can't wait for the sheriff to get a hold of EJ. I don't think he will go easy on her. He doesn't seem to be the type to put up with BS>


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: seahorse on January 10, 2010, 02:54:53 PM
The longer Elizabeth sits in jail without cooperating, the more I think she is protecting herself, and herself only. She knows the truth would keep her in jail for a very long time. IMO

I was just reading up on Sherriff Joe and he does not make it easy to be in his jails.  I now remember him from a story about his tent city.  He does not believe in letting out inmates because the jails are full and has a no frills jail policy.  This is not going to be the Hilton for her. 

I remember this guy.. He makes them Earn their way to a proper bed and food.
But that is only for the convicted and she is not convicted of anything yet.

Kinda sounds like to me , This girl suffers from fetal alcohol syndrome from birth along with drugs doing damage to her chromosome makeup and she has been abused during her years of growing up.. Then it is postnatal depression.. Now she is an angry Bomb , looking for a place to explode.. No Logic just pure anger.
Her grandpa says she is a wild horse to ride..
It is an understatement..
She is an impossible Horse to Ride.
This child never had a chance.
I can't stop thinking about her being bi polar, suffering from postpartum depression and off her medications. Also what she did inside that apartment, breaking things, and cutting things with a knife.  ::MonkeyNoNo::

Monkey's,

She is a VERY SPOILED BRAT.   ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Edward on January 10, 2010, 03:06:43 PM
LOL... Maybe so.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: seahorse on January 10, 2010, 03:14:31 PM
http://www.courtminutes.maricopa.gov/docs/Family%20Court/012010/m4037032.pdf


 ::MonkeyShovel::

I AM FINISHED DIGGING FOR THE DAY!


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: bananas on January 10, 2010, 03:19:35 PM
I believe that I read somewhere that grandpa and grandma Johnson are divorced, don't know where the grandma lives.

No Rose,

Do you have this link?  Is this the right County? 

http://recorder.maricopa.gov/recdocdata/

Seahorse, looking at your avatar makes me seasick.... LOL... seriously.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: bananas on January 10, 2010, 03:25:04 PM
The longer Elizabeth sits in jail without cooperating, the more I think she is protecting herself, and herself only. She knows the truth would keep her in jail for a very long time. IMO

I agree with you No Rose.... I don't think she gave this baby to anyone. I hope and pray I am wrong but that is what I think.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: bananas on January 10, 2010, 03:36:22 PM
Maybe I am wrong but I thought all along that EJ had driven the car to Victoria then came back and parked it at the Motel 6 and took the bus to Florida.  Anyone??


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Searching on January 10, 2010, 03:37:19 PM
The longer Elizabeth sits in jail without cooperating, the more I think she is protecting herself, and herself only. She knows the truth would keep her in jail for a very long time. IMO

I agree with you No Rose.... I don't think she gave this baby to anyone. I hope and pray I am wrong but that is what I think.

I agree, I think that this is a repeat of the Anthony saga, from egg donor's lies about what was done with baby, promise and outward appearance of cooperation yet a complete lack there of , no description of the person/s baby was given to, no composite of them to grampa taking up for the poor mistreated EJ, in A's case is parents instead of a grand. If she had given the baby to someone, I would think she would have come out with information to lead to where he is by now in order to get out of the pokey.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 10, 2010, 03:53:34 PM
Missing Baby Mom Held On $1.1M Bond
Elizabeth Johnson Extradited To Arizona; Still No Sign Of 8-Month-Old Gabriel

PHOENIX -- The mother at the center of a missing baby case is being held on a $1,100,000 cash bond after she was extradited to Arizona and booked on multiple charges, according to the Tempe Police Department.

Deputies said Elizabeth Johnson, 23, was brought back from Miami where she's been held since her recent arrest.

Johnson was taken into custody there on suspicion of custodial interference after she didn't show up for a custodial hearing.

After being processed at the Tempe police station, Johnson was transported and booked into Maricopa County Jail on charges of kidnapping, child abuse and custodial interference, said Sgt. Steve Carbajal of the Tempe Police Department.

MORE....

http://www.kpho.com/news/22197770/detail.html#


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 10, 2010, 03:54:51 PM
<snipped>

Late last week, FBI agents in Nashville rushed to a home after getting a tip from agents in Miami that Gabriel Johnson might be there.

Exactly what evidence Elizabeth Johnson offered that led authorities to Nashville is still unclear.

But it was enough to have FBI agents rush to the home in Nashville, a city to which her friends say Elizabeth has never been.



http://www.kpho.com/news/22197770/detail.html#


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 10, 2010, 03:55:38 PM
Missing baby's mom jailed on felony charges


The mother at the center of a missing baby case has been charged with kidnapping, child abuse and custodial interference.

The Tempe Police Department says Elizabeth Johnson is being held at the Maricopa County jail on the three felony charges after being extradited from Florida.

Police say she's being held on a cash only $1.1 million bond.

Authorities are trying to determine what happened to Johnson's 8-month-old son Gabriel, who was last seen with her in San Antonio last month. They are asking anyone who has the baby to turn in him to a fire station or hospital.

Authorities are calling a Scottsdale couple "persons of interest" in the case.

The couple has said they befriended Johnson at an airport and that she wanted to give her son up for adoption.


http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/APStories/stories/D9D53KBG2.html


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: darla on January 10, 2010, 04:01:47 PM
Oh gosh...she looks about 12 yrs old in that mug shot. Wow that is a huge bond. I don't think she will be going anywhere anytime soon. They really need to grill her 24/7 til she gives up where Gabriel is.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: mymonkey on January 10, 2010, 04:09:01 PM
Oh gosh...she looks about 12 yrs old in that mug shot. Wow that is a huge bond. I don't think she will be going anywhere anytime soon. They really need to grill her 24/7 til she gives up where Gabriel is.


She really is not going to like tent city and warden Joe....the temps in the summer are gruesome.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: darla on January 10, 2010, 04:12:27 PM
I have heard of Warden Joe, and hope he gets down to business with her and has Gabriel back with his dad  asap.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: mymonkey on January 10, 2010, 04:12:39 PM
Missing baby's mom jailed on felony charges


The mother at the center of a missing baby case has been charged with kidnapping, child abuse and custodial interference.

The Tempe Police Department says Elizabeth Johnson is being held at the Maricopa County jail on the three felony charges after being extradited from Florida.

Police say she's being held on a cash only $1.1 million bond.

Authorities are trying to determine what happened to Johnson's 8-month-old son Gabriel, who was last seen with her in San Antonio last month. They are asking anyone who has the baby to turn in him to a fire station or hospital.

Authorities are calling a Scottsdale couple "persons of interest" in the case.

The couple has said they befriended Johnson at an airport and that she wanted to give her son up for adoption.


http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/APStories/stories/D9D53KBG2.html

I would think if all this took place in the airport like Tammi said, I am surprised that someone has not come forward to say they saw TS and EJ talking...or at least have surveillance ::MonkeyEek:: tape from the airport.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: darla on January 10, 2010, 04:27:15 PM
I am beginning to think all the airport crap is a lie. I think EJ probably posted an ad on Craigslist to put Gabriel up for adoption. The Smiths have told so many different tales that it unbelievable.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 10, 2010, 04:56:02 PM
Mother of missing child returned to Valley

The Valley woman who is not cooperating with police in the search for her missing 8-month-old son has been extradited from Florida to the Tempe jail, police said Sunday afternoon.

Tempe police also announced that Elizabeth Johnson faces charges of kidnapping, child abuse and custodial interference. She is being held on a cash bond of $1.1 million.

The Tempe woman claimed she killed Gabriel Johnson and left him in a dumpster, but police believe the child is still alive. The child’s disappearance has sparked a nationwide search.

<snipped>

Tempe police said they plan to announce more information Monday afternoon. If anyone has any information about the boy’s whereabouts, they can call the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children at (800) 843-5678.

MORE.....

http://www.eastvalleytribune.com/story/149334


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: no rose colored glasses on January 10, 2010, 04:58:02 PM
Tammi Peters Smith
The wicked plot against the righteous and gnash their teeth at them;but the Lord laughs at the wiked,for he knows their day is coming. Psalm 37:12.....God knows my heart,and it is pure.I pray for the ones who think and say evil things about us!May God truly forgive them for it......
7 minutes ago   ::MonkeyRoll::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: no rose colored glasses on January 10, 2010, 04:59:24 PM
Mother of missing child returned to Valley

The Valley woman who is not cooperating with police in the search for her missing 8-month-old son has been extradited from Florida to the Tempe jail, police said Sunday afternoon.

Tempe police also announced that Elizabeth Johnson faces charges of kidnapping, child abuse and custodial interference. She is being held on a cash bond of $1.1 million.

The Tempe woman claimed she killed Gabriel Johnson and left him in a dumpster, but police believe the child is still alive. The child’s disappearance has sparked a nationwide search.

<snipped>

Tempe police said they plan to announce more information Monday afternoon. If anyone has any information about the boy’s whereabouts, they can call the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children at (800) 843-5678.

MORE.....

http://www.eastvalleytribune.com/story/149334
Well maybe Elizabeth is already talking, or someone is, if the police plan on announcing more info on Monday.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 10, 2010, 05:00:45 PM
Tempe Police Requesting Public’s Assistance in Locating Infant

Last Updated: 01-10-2010

On Sunday, December 27, 2009 at 1:05 p.m., Logan McQueary reported to Tempe Police Officers that he had received threats toward his son, 8-month-old Gabriel Johnson, from the mother of the child, Elizabeth Johnson.

Logan informed officers that a custodial hearing was scheduled for the afternoon of Monday, December 28 at Maricopa County Superior Court – Family Court.

Elizabeth failed to appear at the custodial hearing. Subsequently, Logan was issued full custody of Gabriel Johnson. Investigators had received information that Elizabeth and Gabriel were in the San Antonio Texas area. Since Elizabeth was out of the state of Arizona, and no longer had custodial rights to the child, a warrant was issued for Elizabeth Johnson for the violation of custodial interference.

Tempe investigators received information indicating that Elizabeth and Gabriel stayed at either or both the Home Gate Studio and Suites and Quality Inn Fiesta Park, both in San Antonio, on December 26. Elizabeth was scheduled to check out on December 27, however she did not go through the formal checkout process. Therefore, it is unknown if Elizabeth left San Antonio on December 26 or December 27.

On Wednesday December 30, 2009 at approximately 10:00 PM (Eastern Time), Elizabeth Johnson was located by Police Officers with the Miami Beach, Fl Police Department. Elizabeth was placed under arrest for the outstanding custodial interference warrant. Gabriel was not with Elizabeth when she was taken into custody.

Elizabeth has exercised her right to speak with an attorney in this matter, and has not provided investigators with information about Gabriel’s condition or current location. There have been no signs of Gabriel after December 26, 2009.

On January 5, 2010 at approximately 4:40 PM (Arizona Time) the white 1995 Oldsmobile being driven by Elizabeth Johnson was located in San Antonio, TX.

Gabriel was not in the vehicle and his current whereabouts are still unknown. The vehicle was located at a Motel 6 across from a Tornado Bus Station off Interstate 35 by an FBI Agent. The vehicle is currently being processed for evidence.

Elizabeth Johnson is age 23, 5’6” tall, and approximately 135 lbs., with blond hair and blue eyes. Photos of Elizabeth, the vehicle, and the child Gabriel are attached.

On January 7, 2010, The Tempe Police Department identified Tammi and Jack Smith of Scottsdale AZ as persons of interest in this investigation. Tempe Police Investigators have indications that they have not shared information with investigators that may lead us to Gabriel Johnson.

On January 9, 2010,  Elizabeth Johnson was booked into Tempe City Jail after being extradited from Florida.

Elizabeth now faces charges of Kidnapping (a class two felony), Child Abuse (a class four felony), and Custodial Interference (a class four felony).  After being processed, Elizabeth was transported and booked into Maricopa County Jail and is being held on a cash only bond of $1,100,000.00.

The Tempe Police Department appreciates the media disseminating this information out to the public. Anyone with additional information as to the whereabouts of Gabriel Johnson is urged to contact the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children at the 24 hour tip line. That number is 1-800-THE-LOST (1-800-843-5678)

http://www.tempe.gov/Police/EI/Gabriel%20Johnson%20Update.htm


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 10, 2010, 05:13:09 PM
There used to be a booking cam but I do not think it is up anymore

....the Maricopa County Sheriff's "Jail Cam" was voted one of the "25 Most Interesting Webcams" by the Earthcam.com Network. Sheriff Joe Arpaio's controversial set of four cameras catch all aspects of the booking and incarceration experience of prisoners in his Maricopa County Jail facility.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: seahorse on January 10, 2010, 05:13:53 PM
Hi Monkeys,

I have been "gleaning"   ::MonkeyCool::

snip...

Tempe police said they plan to announce more information Monday afternoon.

http://www.eastvalleytribune.com/story/149334


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 10, 2010, 05:15:03 PM
Mother of missing child returned to Valley

The Valley woman who is not cooperating with police in the search for her missing 8-month-old son has been extradited from Florida to the Tempe jail, police said Sunday afternoon.

Tempe police also announced that Elizabeth Johnson faces charges of kidnapping, child abuse and custodial interference. She is being held on a cash bond of $1.1 million.

The Tempe woman claimed she killed Gabriel Johnson and left him in a dumpster, but police believe the child is still alive. The child’s disappearance has sparked a nationwide search.

<snipped>

Tempe police said they plan to announce more information Monday afternoon. If anyone has any information about the boy’s whereabouts, they can call the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children at (800) 843-5678.

MORE.....

http://www.eastvalleytribune.com/story/149334

 ::MonkeyShocked::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: seahorse on January 10, 2010, 05:16:52 PM
Oh gosh...she looks about 12 yrs old in that mug shot. Wow that is a huge bond. I don't think she will be going anywhere anytime soon. They really need to grill her 24/7 til she gives up where Gabriel is.


She really is not going to like tent city and warden Joe....the temps in the summer are gruesome.

She won't have any window's to break in a tent.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 10, 2010, 05:17:24 PM
GOOD AFTERNOON ALL.

Hi Grandma Karma.

 ::HelloKitty::

Janet
2:17 PM PT


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: seahorse on January 10, 2010, 05:21:36 PM
Tammi Peters Smith
The wicked plot against the righteous and gnash their teeth at them;but the Lord laughs at the wiked,for he knows their day is coming. Psalm 37:12.....God knows my heart,and it is pure.I pray for the ones who think and say evil things about us!May God truly forgive them for it......
7 minutes ago   ::MonkeyRoll::

TPS needs some fresh air...she has been to pooped up!   ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Tracygirl on January 10, 2010, 05:27:32 PM
I am trying to follow this case but I am pages behind. Why are the Smiths not in jail? Did they take and pass poly's? It sure sounds like they know what happened but are refusing to say.

It might be difficult to keep a craigslist ad up for baby adoption without it being flagged and removed. I once was giving away a dog and I was told I couldn't do that, (what?), so going with that same logic, it might not be possible to give away a human being on craigslist.

This girl is unbalanced, whether it be because of her past childhood or a mental disorder, she had no business being around this baby, ever.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 10, 2010, 05:35:28 PM
I am trying to follow this case but I am pages behind. Why are the Smiths not in jail? Did they take and pass poly's? It sure sounds like they know what happened but are refusing to say.

It might be difficult to keep a craigslist ad up for baby adoption without it being flagged and removed. I once was giving away a dog and I was told I couldn't do that, (what?), so going with that same logic, it might not be possible to give away a human being on craigslist.

This girl is unbalanced, whether it be because of her past childhood or a mental disorder, she had no business being around this baby, ever.

Have no idea why the Smith's are not in jail.  They took polys on Friday, which were sent out for results. 



Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 10, 2010, 05:36:13 PM
Tempe Mom Charged in Missing Baby Case
23-year-old held on $1.1 million bond

http://www.myfoxphoenix.com/dpp/news/crime/tempe-mom-charged-1-10-2010#


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 10, 2010, 05:38:43 PM
I am liking me some Sherriff Joe!

<snipped>

In a news release, the Sheriff's Office said this year's meal -- which includes baked ham, pineapple sauce, potatoes, cranberry sauce, carrots, bread and butter, and cupcakes -- will cost 17 cents per inmate.

A tamale feast would have cost 74 cents per inmate.

"In these economic times, every penny counts," said Sheriff Joe Arpaio. "This year, the inmates will enjoy a traditional meal instead of spicing it up."

Dinner will began at 4:45 p.m. Christmas Day.

http://www.kpho.com/news/22055824/detail.html


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 10, 2010, 05:43:46 PM
About Sherriff Joe's jails

<snipped>

Lee said inmates often try to get transferred out of county jail to a federal facility because "compared to state prisons, the county jail here in Maricopa County really sucks."

"The food is bad, they get fed twice a day, they don't get to recreate out on the yards, they don't get coffee and porn magazines and stuff like that," he said. "They hate staying in (Sheriff) Joe Arpaio's jail.

http://www.kpho.com/news/22199348/detail.html


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 10, 2010, 06:08:36 PM
Linda Smith:   Is there any news on Gabriel now that Elizabeth is back in Arizona? Prayers that Gabriel is safe and found soon.about an hour ago ·

Tammi Peters Smith On my way to her to get an interview...
about an hour ago

 ::MonkeyEek::

She is going to interview Elizabeth????


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: darla on January 10, 2010, 06:19:12 PM
Linda Smith:   Is there any news on Gabriel now that Elizabeth is back in Arizona? Prayers that Gabriel is safe and found soon.about an hour ago ·

Tammi Peters Smith On my way to her to get an interview...
about an hour ago

 ::MonkeyEek::

She is going to interview Elizabeth????



So she is a reporter or a cop now???? Geesh, she reminds me of Cindy Anthony more everyday.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: no rose colored glasses on January 10, 2010, 06:45:28 PM


Maricopa County Sheriff's Office

ALERT

 
   

Notice to Family and Friends of Inmates Housed in Lower Buckeye Jail, Towers Jails and 4th Avenue Jail:

 

There have been reports that inmates are threatening other inmates who partake in the evening jailhouse meal.  To ensure inmate safety, all inmates in three jails, Lower Buckeye, Towers and 4th Avenue will be on security lockdown until that matter is resolved to the Sheriff’s satisfaction.

 

Visitation by family and friends is suspended until the matter is resolved and no phone calls from inmates will be permitted during lockdow    ::MonkeyEek:: Tammi I don't think an interview will be happening  ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: darla on January 10, 2010, 06:58:49 PM
Thanks Norose...guess Agent Tammi won't get her interview. ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: no rose colored glasses on January 10, 2010, 07:14:27 PM
Thanks Norose...guess Agent Tammi won't get her interview. ::MonkeyDevil::
She will probably try to barge in anyway  ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Tracygirl on January 10, 2010, 08:42:37 PM
I am liking me some Sherriff Joe!

<snipped>

In a news release, the Sheriff's Office said this year's meal -- which includes baked ham, pineapple sauce, potatoes, cranberry sauce, carrots, bread and butter, and cupcakes -- will cost 17 cents per inmate.

A tamale feast would have cost 74 cents per inmate.

"In these economic times, every penny counts," said Sheriff Joe Arpaio. "This year, the inmates will enjoy a traditional meal instead of spicing it up."

Dinner will began at 4:45 p.m. Christmas Day.

http://www.kpho.com/news/22055824/detail.html

They've done so many stories on this guy, he is the only one with common sense on how inmates should be treated.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 10, 2010, 08:43:05 PM
Tammi Peters Smith It was a NO GO! she wasn't able to call....
about an hour ago via Facebook for BlackBerry ·

Tammi Peters Smith No luck! Were waiting on the green light from Sherrif Joe to do the interviews....

AC Davis what kind of interview? are you a reporter?
about an hour ago

Tammi Peters Smith No,no...I'm just the only one she feels comfortable talking to. We had 6 News Stations set up waiting for the call, but no call!

Adrian Downard They r on lock down most of they day
15 minutes ago

Tammi Peters Smith How'd u find that out? Are u guessing???
10 minutes ago

Adrian Downard My brother just got out
7 minutes ago

Tammi Peters Smith Oh,ok! They sent an email saying No Media for Elizabeth today, so that's why we thought she couldn't call!6 minutes ago


 ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Tracygirl on January 10, 2010, 08:44:29 PM
Linda Smith:   Is there any news on Gabriel now that Elizabeth is back in Arizona? Prayers that Gabriel is safe and found soon.about an hour ago ·

Tammi Peters Smith On my way to her to get an interview...
about an hour ago

 ::MonkeyEek::

She is going to interview Elizabeth????

Oh yea like she doesn't know how the baby is? She is not fooling me at all. She can hide behind god and her twisted religious views all she wants, God will also judge her and hold her responsible for tormenting the father of this child.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 10, 2010, 08:46:18 PM
I am liking me some Sherriff Joe!

<snipped>

In a news release, the Sheriff's Office said this year's meal -- which includes baked ham, pineapple sauce, potatoes, cranberry sauce, carrots, bread and butter, and cupcakes -- will cost 17 cents per inmate.

A tamale feast would have cost 74 cents per inmate.

"In these economic times, every penny counts," said Sheriff Joe Arpaio. "This year, the inmates will enjoy a traditional meal instead of spicing it up."

Dinner will began at 4:45 p.m. Christmas Day.

http://www.kpho.com/news/22055824/detail.html

They've done so many stories on this guy, he is the only one with common sense on how inmates should be treated.

I can not believe how many times he has had to go to court as some inmate and lawyer are filing that their rights are being violated.  It has been quite educational looking up the stories on this jail.  He has done amazing things though

ICE “Holds”

Each inmate booked is interviewed for immigration status. Sheriff’s detention officers have turned over 30,527 illegal immigrants to Immigration authorities for deportation.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Searching on January 10, 2010, 08:57:09 PM
I would hope that with the Smiths being POI's that they would be banned from speaking to her.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: no rose colored glasses on January 10, 2010, 09:18:00 PM
I would hope that with the Smiths being POI's that they would be banned from speaking to her.
You would think, but according to them being POI's is no big deal  ::MonkeyRoll::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 10, 2010, 09:26:28 PM
I would hope that with the Smiths being POI's that they would be banned from speaking to her.
You would think, but according to them being POI's is no big deal  ::MonkeyRoll::

had 6 News Stations set up     ::MonkeyEek::

From POI to media relations.  Maybe they had time to get a 25.00 flush special while waiting. 


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: no rose colored glasses on January 10, 2010, 09:31:08 PM
I would hope that with the Smiths being POI's that they would be banned from speaking to her.
You would think, but according to them being POI's is no big deal  ::MonkeyRoll::

had 6 News Stations set up     ::MonkeyEek::

From POI to media relations.  Maybe they had time to get a 25.00 flush special while waiting. 
Can you believe that?  ::MonkeyNoNo:: Looks like the Sheriff said no.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Searching on January 10, 2010, 09:35:36 PM
I would hope that with the Smiths being POI's that they would be banned from speaking to her.
You would think, but according to them being POI's is no big deal  ::MonkeyRoll::

had 6 News Stations set up     ::MonkeyEek::

From POI to media relations.  Maybe they had time to get a 25.00 flush special while waiting. 


Naahh EJ is in the pokey without her plunger  ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: mymonkey on January 10, 2010, 09:49:24 PM
I would hope that with the Smiths being POI's that they would be banned from speaking to her.
You would think, but according to them being POI's is no big deal  ::MonkeyRoll::

had 6 News Stations set up     ::MonkeyEek::

From POI to media relations.  Maybe they had time to get a 25.00 flush special while waiting. 


Naahh EJ is in the pokey without her plunger  ::MonkeyDance::


EJ and TS are in for a rude awakening, ::MonkeyCool:: Sheriff Joe was on a special I saw Dateline or 20/20 anyway he does not play at all...and the stats for repeat offenders returning to tent city are very low...and everybody wears pink undies ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 10, 2010, 10:14:59 PM
An interview I had missed before.  Sorry if this was posted already.  Looks like it was from this weekend

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/26184891/#34791165


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 10, 2010, 10:46:10 PM
Court records paint new picture in Tempe missing baby case

TEMPE, AZ -- As the search continues for a missing Tempe baby, we're learning more about the family at the center of the case.

Police say mother Elizabeth Johnson is not cooperating with authorities who are working with the FBI in at least four states to find her baby, Gabriel.

"Just tell me where he's at," said Gabriel's father, Logan McQueary.

McQueary was granted custody after Johnson didn't show up for a custodial court hearing and allegedly fled the state with the child.

He has made many public appeals to find the 8-month-old, but court documents now reveal he may not be Gabriel's biological father.

In her petition for custody on Dec. 14, Johnson wrote that there were "two potential fathers," and requested that both McQueary and another man, Craig Cherry, take paternity tests.

Cherry said he had no comment on the case when reached by phone Sunday.

MORE....

http://www.abc15.com/content/news/southeastvalley/tempe/story/Court-records-paint-new-picture-in-Tempe-missing/6PhW8F-82kSl7PwFqFdGgw.cspx


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 10, 2010, 11:06:55 PM
Missing baby's mom extradited to Arizona

<snipped>

Tempe police officers brought Johnson from Miami-Dade County, Fla., and booked her into the Fourth Avenue jail at 2:06 a.m. Sunday. She is being held on $1.1 million cash bond.

Johnson faces felony charges including kidnapping, child abuse ande custodial interference.

Deputy Doug Matteson, a sheriff's spokesman, deferred comment to Tempe police, who are investigating the case. Tempe police spokesman Sgt. Steve Carbajal was not available for comment.

Tempe officials plan to release more information about the case during a 1 p.m. briefing Monday.

MORE....

http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2010/01/10/20100110johnsonarrest0111.html


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 10, 2010, 11:35:55 PM
Gabriel Johnson is Missing: Mother of 8-Month-old Child Tells Two Tales, Stops Talking

Tempe Police Believe Gabriel Johnson Still Alive
The story of missing Gabriel Johnson reads like a book of lies, misdirections, possibilities, and plausibles. Tempe (Arizona) Police have been searching for 8-month-old Gabriel Johnson for nearly two weeks. According to CNN, the child's mother, Elizabeth Johnson,
was arrested on December 30 in Miami Beach, Florida, after she failed to appear for a custody hearing on December 28 in Arizona. But Johnson did not have the 8-month-old with her when she was picked up in Florida, prompting authorities to immediately begin searching for the child. Before long, however, investigators would have conflicting stories as to Gabriel's whereabouts.

MORE....

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/2576955/gabriel_johnson_is_missing_mother_of.html?cat=8



Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 10, 2010, 11:52:46 PM
I have been craigslistdiving some more and founs this interesting.  THe first ad stated she had 3 to give away and then the next day she places a new ad that there is two. 

pomeranians (tempe)

Date: 2009-12-11, 10:50AM MST

Hi I have my 3 pomeranians i need to rehome. they are between 2 and 3 years old. 2 females both black and white, and a tan male all not fixed. rehoming applies. no emails please and sorry i am not able to post pics, so you will have to stop by to see them. call me at XXX-XXX-XXXX leave a message if i'm not their i will be a bit busy today.
http://phoenix.craigslist.org/evl/pet/1505423124.html


pomeranians to rehome (tempe)
Date: 2009-12-12, 11:50AM MST


Hi I need to find home for my two pomeranians. one is two he is a tan male, the other is a smaller black and white female with lush coat she is 3 years old, both are not fixed. they are 75 dollars each, potty trained as well. i am sorry I am not able to send/post pics, and no emails please, just call me at XXX-XXX-XXXX
http://phoenix.craigslist.org/cph/pet/1507014020.html


In wondering how it went from 3 dogs to two and how Tammi knew it was two not three (why did Tammi not say she sold her THREE dogs? )

Between the time EJ placed her first ad for 3 dogs and the second for two, someone else placed an add that they were looking for a 2-3 year old pom.  What are the odds of that ?and I bet the other female Pom went to this person. 

Wanted: PomDate: 2009-12-11, 4:27PM MST

Hi,

I am looking for a pomeranian, not a puppy but one that is younger then 3 yrs old. I have two kids under 10 and also a larger breed dog (that is fixed and UTD on all his shots). I would like the pom to be already fixed and also UTD on all shots but it is okay if it is not that will be taken care of.It should also be potty trained, and create trained. I do NOT care about sex. Mixes are okay also. The dog needs to be great with kids and other bigger dogs. not looking to pay an arm and leg, but I am willing to pay a REASONABLE rehoming fee ( For purebreds Under $150 if NOT papered up to $200 with papers and for mixes not more than $100) please feel free to email me. I have had dogs all my life. We take our dog everywhere with us. also I would like to keep my search in the E. Valley (QC, Mesa, Tempe, Chandler). I have only lived in AZ for a year, so I am not familiar with the whole state yet .
http://phoenix.craigslist.org/evl/pet/1506016244.html


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 11, 2010, 01:24:57 AM
Missing Baby Mom Held On $1.1M Bond
Elizabeth Johnson Extradited To Arizona; Still No Sign Of 8-Month-Old Gabriel

<snipped>

Johnson's first phone call from jail Sunday morning was to her grandfather, Bob Johnson.

Bob Johnson said, "Well my telephone rang and it was my darling granddaughter calling me from the 4th Avenue Maricopa County jail."

Just hours after her booking photo was snapped, Elizabeth was calling to say hello.

"She seemed in a very happy, upbeat mood, " Bob Johnson said. "I guess in her mind she's accomplished her goal, which was to adopt her son, give him to somebody."

Johnson says it was a short talk that only lasted a couple of minutes. He said he didn't ask any questions about where 8 month old Gabriel might be.

He said, "I chose not to, that she had stated what happened and I knew we were on a recorded line and she isn't going to tell me anything on a recorded line that would be of any value."

http://www.kpho.com/news/22197770/detail.html


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 11, 2010, 01:41:35 AM
 I just spent the better part of two days Craigslist diving to find the ads EJ posted and it took me a while to verify that the ads I pulled were hers. I found them all with google, by hitting show more results under some that were pulled,  looking for her phone number that is on the ads and matching it to the address on the court docs for her.   For giggles I just put the number into Bing to see if it pulls anything else and VIOLA first hit, her name, the trailer park address that coincides with the court docs and a map to her trailer  :2brickwall:    :2brickwall:

For future reference, Bing seems to have a far better search engine when it comes to phone numbers that could have saved me at least half a day.   :2brickwall:


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: cartfly on January 11, 2010, 02:19:22 AM
Please let this not be related

Man reports toddler in Rio Grande
 
 
 
 

Associated Press - January 6, 2010 8:05 PM ET

LOS LUNAS, N.M. (AP) - Darkness has prompted police to call off a search for a possible toddler in the Rio Grande at Los Lunas.

The search began Wednesday afternoon after a man called 911 to say he'd seen a toddler floating face-down in the river.

Los Lunas Police Chief Roy Melnick says the man sounded credible, so police took no chances even though no one in the area reported a missing child.

The man was walking over a bridge on N.M. 6 when he spotted a child wearing a diaper in the river.

State police assisted with the search, and a dive team, a helicopter and a hovercraft were called in.

http://www.kvia.com/Global/story.asp?S=11781196

**This still bothers me and I wonder if there is something more to this. Anyone know how far this is from Tempe, AZ? I went back for an update and all I could find is that the search was called off last Thursday. No explanation as to why or any additional updates on this sighting.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: cartfly on January 11, 2010, 02:21:17 AM
I just spent the better part of two days Craigslist diving to find the ads EJ posted and it took me a while to verify that the ads I pulled were hers. I found them all with google, by hitting show more results under some that were pulled,  looking for her phone number that is on the ads and matching it to the address on the court docs for her.   For giggles I just put the number into Bing to see if it pulls anything else and VIOLA first hit, her name, the trailer park address that coincides with the court docs and a map to her trailer  :2brickwall:    :2brickwall:

For future reference, Bing seems to have a far better search engine when it comes to phone numbers that could have saved me at least half a day.   :2brickwall:


Wow! Thanks for working so diligently on this. I will try Bing in the future, thanks for the great tip! ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: theboyzmom on January 11, 2010, 07:24:37 AM
OMG - the Smiths are going on the Today show right after the break!


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Monkey with Class on January 11, 2010, 09:19:17 AM
I am trying to follow this case but I am pages behind. Why are the Smiths not in jail? Did they take and pass poly's? It sure sounds like they know what happened but are refusing to say.

It might be difficult to keep a craigslist ad up for baby adoption without it being flagged and removed. I once was giving away a dog and I was told I couldn't do that, (what?), so going with that same logic, it might not be possible to give away a human being on craigslist.

This girl is unbalanced, whether it be because of her past childhood or a mental disorder, she had no business being around this baby, ever.

Have no idea why the Smith's are not in jail.  They took polys on Friday, which were sent out for results. 



Never heard of sending the test out to have the results read.  Normally the person administering the test can read the results instantly.  LE must not want the Smiths to know the results.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: seahorse on January 11, 2010, 09:31:29 AM
Hi Monkey's,

 presser scheculed for 1:00 PM (EST) today,supposedly.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: no rose colored glasses on January 11, 2010, 09:33:29 AM
Court records paint new picture in Tempe missing baby case

TEMPE, AZ -- As the search continues for a missing Tempe baby, we're learning more about the family at the center of the case.

Police say mother Elizabeth Johnson is not cooperating with authorities who are working with the FBI in at least four states to find her baby, Gabriel.

"Just tell me where he's at," said Gabriel's father, Logan McQueary.

McQueary was granted custody after Johnson didn't show up for a custodial court hearing and allegedly fled the state with the child.

He has made many public appeals to find the 8-month-old, but court documents now reveal he may not be Gabriel's biological father.

In her petition for custody on Dec. 14, Johnson wrote that there were "two potential fathers," and requested that both McQueary and another man, Craig Cherry, take paternity tests.

Cherry said he had no comment on the case when reached by phone Sunday.

MORE....

http://www.abc15.com/content/news/southeastvalley/tempe/story/Court-records-paint-new-picture-in-Tempe-missing/6PhW8F-82kSl7PwFqFdGgw.cspx

   ::MonkeyNoNo:: This just keeps getting weirder. Don't you think if there was any wondering about who the father was that Logan probably took a paternity test? Or maybe not  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: no rose colored glasses on January 11, 2010, 09:34:12 AM
Hi Monkey's,

 presser scheculed for 1:00 PM (EST) today,supposedly.
Thanks, so 10:00 my time.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: SunnyinTX on January 11, 2010, 09:37:50 AM
Good Morning...thanks to everyone especially NR for all the updates.  Whoever has Gabriel needs to turn him over to the authorities. Someone out there knows where Gabriel is, someone knows who has him. He has been a pawn for far too long.  Give him to his father and allow him to grow up with his family.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: trimmonthelake on January 11, 2010, 09:53:09 AM
http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/34802462/ns/today-today_people/?ns=today-today_people
Baby Gabriel’s mom ‘played us,’ couple say
‘Persons of interest’ who hoped to adopt baby call his mother ‘deceptive'
By Mike Celizic
TODAYshow.com contributor
updated 35 minutes ago

An Arizona couple who tried to adopt an 8-month-old baby who’s been missing since Christmas say they now feel the mother of the baby duped and used them.

Elizabeth Johnson, the 23-year-old mother of the missing child known as Baby Gabriel, is being held by Tempe, Ariz., police on a $1 million cash bail. Meanwhile, Jack and Tammi Smith, who hoped to adopt Gabriel, have been named persons of interest in the case by Tempe police. However, the Smiths say that polygraph tests they took last week will show they have cooperated fully with the police investigation.
‘Lying to us’
In an interview Monday from their Scottsdale, Ariz., home with TODAY’s Matt Lauer, the Smiths said they once thought Johnson was a good woman who was overwhelmed by being a single mother. That opinion has since changed dramatically.
Story continues below ↓advertisement | your ad here

“I feel like a fool, because knowing what’s up now that all the facts have been laid out in front of me, I see that she was lying to us and playing us,” Tammi Smith told Lauer. “Now, I’m not sure if anything she said to me was true.”

Her husband characterized Johnson as “deceptive.”

The Smiths originally befriended Johnson last year when they ran into her and Gabriel during a long layover at the Indianapolis airport. Gabriel was an infant at the time, and the Smiths said Johnson seemed emotionally distressed and indicated she needed help with her baby.
The couple say they did not hear from Johnson again until Dec. 8, when she called to offer the baby for adoption because she didn’t want her ex-boyfriend and the baby’s father, Logan McQueary, to get custody of the child.

The Smiths had temporary custody of Gabriel for eight days in December and are the last people to have seen the boy in Arizona. Johnson took the baby back, purportedly to give him to McQueary in accordance with a court order.

TODAY
Elizabeth Johnson told the father of baby Gabriel that she had killed the child, but then claimed she had given the child away. Police think Gabriel may still be alive.

But Johnson never delivered the baby, instead taking him to San Antonio. She text messaged McQueary on Dec. 26, saying she killed the baby.
Johnson was tracked to Miami, where she was arrested. At the time, she recanted her story about killing Gabriel, saying instead that she gave the baby to a couple she met in Texas. Tempe police have said they have unspecified reasons to believe that Gabriel is alive.

video at link


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 11, 2010, 10:13:40 AM
<snipped>

Johnson was supposed to call the Smiths Sunday night from jail, but the Smiths said the call never took place. “We got a message on Facebook that the jailhouse went on lockdown last night, and that’s the reason she couldn’t call in,” Jack Smith told Lauer.

But Johnson did call her grandfather, Robert Johnson, who told NBC News that his granddaughter was very upbeat.

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/34802462/ns/today-today_people/ 


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 11, 2010, 10:15:48 AM
GMA
Search for Baby Gabriel: Deception Fueling Frustration as Cops Track Leads


http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/lies-fueling-frustration-search-baby-gabriel/story?id=9528705


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: no rose colored glasses on January 11, 2010, 10:15:53 AM
An Arizona couple who tried to adopt an 8-month-old baby who’s been missing since Christmas say they now feel the mother of the baby duped and used them.  ::MonkeyRoll::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: no rose colored glasses on January 11, 2010, 10:16:44 AM
<snipped>

Johnson was supposed to call the Smiths Sunday night from jail, but the Smiths said the call never took place. “We got a message on Facebook that the jailhouse went on lockdown last night, and that’s the reason she couldn’t call in,” Jack Smith told Lauer.

But Johnson did call her grandfather, Robert Johnson, who told NBC News that his granddaughter was very upbeat.

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/34802462/ns/today-today_people/ 
Elizabeth is upbeat  ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 11, 2010, 10:25:04 AM
The Today interview, Grandpa Bob says he thinks EJ gave Gabriel to someone she met on Craigslist.  I am with his thinking after seeing the ads on Craigs that I found so far. 


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 11, 2010, 10:26:02 AM
<snipped>

Johnson was supposed to call the Smiths Sunday night from jail, but the Smiths said the call never took place. “We got a message on Facebook that the jailhouse went on lockdown last night, and that’s the reason she couldn’t call in,” Jack Smith told Lauer.

But Johnson did call her grandfather, Robert Johnson, who told NBC News that his granddaughter was very upbeat.

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/34802462/ns/today-today_people/ 
Elizabeth is upbeat  ::MonkeyEek::


If you watch the video Bob says she was more than cheerful, she was happy   ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: mymonkey on January 11, 2010, 10:27:01 AM
An Arizona couple who tried to adopt an 8-month-old baby who’s been missing since Christmas say they now feel the mother of the baby duped and used them.  ::MonkeyRoll::

It does not  appear that it would take a rocket scientist to dupe the Smith's, I guess the Smiths could be naive (or stupid) now I am worried that EJ did harm Gabriel.  If EJ is bi-polar many things can take place inside her head during a manic episode, I have dealt with  a bi-polar friend it is the most frightening mental disorder I have seen....people that are bi-polar tend to think they are better and will come off their meds and spin out of control ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: cookie on January 11, 2010, 10:27:39 AM
waterboarding would be too good for EJ in my opinion... ::MonkeyMad::
Tell LE where the baby is!


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: no rose colored glasses on January 11, 2010, 10:27:53 AM
The Today interview, Grandpa Bob says he thinks EJ gave Gabriel to someone she met on Craigslist.  I am with his thinking after seeing the ads on Craigs that I found so far. 
I have never used Craigslist in my life, is it legal to give away/sell babies on there? I would hardly think so  ::MonkeyShocked:: And I would hate to imagine what type of person would be looking for a child on Craigslist  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: no rose colored glasses on January 11, 2010, 10:29:33 AM
An Arizona couple who tried to adopt an 8-month-old baby who’s been missing since Christmas say they now feel the mother of the baby duped and used them.  ::MonkeyRoll::

It does not  appear that it would take a rocket scientist to dupe the Smith's, I guess the Smiths could be naive (or stupid) now I am worried that EJ did harm Gabriel.  If EJ is bi-polar many things can take place inside her head during a manic episode, I have dealt with  a bi-polar friend it is the most frightening mental disorder I have seen....people that are bi-polar tend to think they are better and will come off their meds and spin out of control ::MonkeyNoNo::
Dealing with someone with bi polar and is not on meds, or on the wrong meds can be horrible. Just the thought that Elizabeth is upbeat in jail  ::MonkeyNoNo:: who is upbeat in jail?


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: mymonkey on January 11, 2010, 10:29:49 AM
<snipped>

Johnson was supposed to call the Smiths Sunday night from jail, but the Smiths said the call never took place. “We got a message on Facebook that the jailhouse went on lockdown last night, and that’s the reason she couldn’t call in,” Jack Smith told Lauer.

But Johnson did call her grandfather, Robert Johnson, who told NBC News that his granddaughter was very upbeat.

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/34802462/ns/today-today_people/ 
Elizabeth is upbeat  ::MonkeyEek::


If you watch the video Bob says she was more than cheerful, she was happy   ::MonkeyEek::


Maybe she made a deal with LE where to find Gabriel and she thinks she will get a get out of jail free pass ::MonkeyShocked::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: leslee on January 11, 2010, 10:33:07 AM
The Today interview, Grandpa Bob says he thinks EJ gave Gabriel to someone she met on Craigslist.  I am with his thinking after seeing the ads on Craigs that I found so far. 
I have never used Craigslist in my life, is it legal to give away/sell babies on there? I would hardly think so  ::MonkeyShocked:: And I would hate to imagine what type of person would be looking for a child on Craigslist  ::MonkeyNoNo::
Hi NRCG.... I believe it is illegal, however if you are looking for a "nanny" or babysitter thats legal and of course those seeking to adopt might also check those ads, I think they prolly use buzz words or flat out ask by email if they are looking to sell/adopt. So to CL it looks legit yet the players know what to look for, does that make sense?


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 11, 2010, 10:35:15 AM
<snipped>

Johnson was supposed to call the Smiths Sunday night from jail, but the Smiths said the call never took place. “We got a message on Facebook that the jailhouse went on lockdown last night, and that’s the reason she couldn’t call in,” Jack Smith told Lauer.

But Johnson did call her grandfather, Robert Johnson, who told NBC News that his granddaughter was very upbeat.

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/34802462/ns/today-today_people/ 
Elizabeth is upbeat  ::MonkeyEek::


If you watch the video Bob says she was more than cheerful, she was happy   ::MonkeyEek::


Maybe she made a deal with LE where to find Gabriel and she thinks she will get a get out of jail free pass ::MonkeyShocked::


and $200 for passing Go from Sherriff Joe  .... ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: mymonkey on January 11, 2010, 10:38:04 AM
The Today interview, Grandpa Bob says he thinks EJ gave Gabriel to someone she met on Craigslist.  I am with his thinking after seeing the ads on Craigs that I found so far. 
I have never used Craigslist in my life, is it legal to give away/sell babies on there? I would hardly think so  ::MonkeyShocked:: And I would hate to imagine what type of person would be looking for a child on Craigslist  ::MonkeyNoNo::

I dont think you can advertise children on Craigslist...maybe when she advertised his belongings to give away she met someone  ::MonkeyEek:: who knows....just when we say things can not get crazier...surprise they do...I think way to much attention has been on everyone else and not on Gabriel...the Smiths need to get back to their "Human Plumbing" work  and shut the hell up so the  focus can be on Gabriels return... ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 11, 2010, 10:38:37 AM
Some screen Caps from Today



Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: mymonkey on January 11, 2010, 10:39:46 AM
<snipped>

Johnson was supposed to call the Smiths Sunday night from jail, but the Smiths said the call never took place. “We got a message on Facebook that the jailhouse went on lockdown last night, and that’s the reason she couldn’t call in,” Jack Smith told Lauer.

But Johnson did call her grandfather, Robert Johnson, who told NBC News that his granddaughter was very upbeat.

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/34802462/ns/today-today_people/ 
Elizabeth is upbeat  ::MonkeyEek::


If you watch the video Bob says she was more than cheerful, she was happy   ::MonkeyEek::


Maybe she made a deal with LE where to find Gabriel and she thinks she will get a get out of jail free pass ::MonkeyShocked::


and $200 for passing Go from Sherriff Joe  .... ::MonkeyDevil::


and a pair of pink boxers.....I would like to know why sheriff Joe makes everyone wear pink boxers? ::MonkeyJnBox::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: no rose colored glasses on January 11, 2010, 10:40:25 AM
The Today interview, Grandpa Bob says he thinks EJ gave Gabriel to someone she met on Craigslist.  I am with his thinking after seeing the ads on Craigs that I found so far. 
I have never used Craigslist in my life, is it legal to give away/sell babies on there? I would hardly think so  ::MonkeyShocked:: And I would hate to imagine what type of person would be looking for a child on Craigslist  ::MonkeyNoNo::
Hi NRCG.... I believe it is illegal, however if you are looking for a "nanny" or babysitter thats legal and of course those seeking to adopt might also check those ads, I think they prolly use buzz words or flat out ask by email if they are looking to sell/adopt. So to CL it looks legit yet the players know what to look for, does that make sense?
Hi, thank-you, it does make sense. I can tell you what, since I've been on this forum I have learned so many things that have been going on such as this, I had no idea  ::MonkeyEek:: Unbelievable


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 11, 2010, 10:45:33 AM
Missing Tempe baby's mother extradited to Arizona (with video)

http://www.azcentral.com/community/tempe/articles/2010/01/10/20100110johnsonarrest0111.html


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: mymonkey on January 11, 2010, 10:46:41 AM
<snipped>

Johnson was supposed to call the Smiths Sunday night from jail, but the Smiths said the call never took place. “We got a message on Facebook that the jailhouse went on lockdown last night, and that’s the reason she couldn’t call in,” Jack Smith told Lauer.

But Johnson did call her grandfather, Robert Johnson, who told NBC News that his granddaughter was very upbeat.

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/34802462/ns/today-today_people/ 
Elizabeth is upbeat  ::MonkeyEek::


If you watch the video Bob says she was more than cheerful, she was happy   ::MonkeyEek::


Maybe she made a deal with LE where to find Gabriel and she thinks she will get a get out of jail free pass ::MonkeyShocked::


and $200 for passing Go from Sherriff Joe  .... ::MonkeyDevil::


and a pair of pink boxers.....I would like to know why sheriff Joe makes everyone wear pink boxers? ::MonkeyJnBox::


I looked it up pink underwear is for better inventory control. ::MonkeyCool::  Sheriff Joe even cut out salt and pepper save the county 20,000.00 a year. ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 11, 2010, 10:47:15 AM
Early Show

Missing Baby "Persons of Interest" Speak
Say They Don't Know Where Gabriel Johnson Is; Can't Imagine His Mother Having Hurt Him; She's Jailed in Phoenix (with video)

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/01/11/earlyshow/main6081837.shtml


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 11, 2010, 10:54:18 AM
<snipped>

Elizabeth's grandfather, Bob Johnson, says he "can't even imagine Elizabeth hurting that child."

He says it was her plan to have the baby adopted --and she may have tried to get it done online. "She gets on that Craiglist," Bob Johnson says, and, "That gal could find somebody that would want to adopt the baby in five minutes."

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/01/11/earlyshow/main6081837.shtml

It is illegal to sell a child on Craigslist however with the Nanny ads she placed they clearly came across as desperate, "Can not pay you until I get work, single mom, all I can give you is room and board....".  There has been only one ad that I have found so far where she put in a email address, hotmail.  The rest were to call her and leave a message if she did not pick up.  I am hoping LE is all over her phone records. 


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: no rose colored glasses on January 11, 2010, 10:55:11 AM
I'm trying to make some sense out of this, if you sold your child to someone on Craigslist, or just gave your child to someone in a park, wouldn't someone out there notice that their family member, neighbor or friend all of a sudden had a baby? That is why in my thoughts if something like this happened, I have a hard time believing that the person who has Gabriel has good intentions. ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: no rose colored glasses on January 11, 2010, 10:57:29 AM
<snipped>

Elizabeth's grandfather, Bob Johnson, says he "can't even imagine Elizabeth hurting that child."

He says it was her plan to have the baby adopted --and she may have tried to get it done online. "She gets on that Craiglist," Bob Johnson says, and, "That gal could find somebody that would want to adopt the baby in five minutes."

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/01/11/earlyshow/main6081837.shtml

It is illegal to sell a child on Craigslist however with the Nanny ads she placed they clearly came across as desperate, "Can not pay you until I get work, single mom, all I can give you is room and board....".  There has been only one ad that I have found so far where she put in a email address, hotmail.  The rest were to call her and leave a message if she did not pick up.  I am hoping LE is all over her phone records. 
  ::MonkeyNoNo:: You would think that Grandpa Bob, should have seen this coming and tried to help Elizabeth. If he can make a statement such as "that gal could find somebody that would want to adopt the baby in five minutes" he isn't right in the head either.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 11, 2010, 10:57:58 AM
I'm trying to make some sense out of this, if you sold your child to someone on Craigslist, or just gave your child to someone in a park, wouldn't someone out there notice that their family member, neighbor or friend all of a sudden had a baby? That is why in my thoughts if something like this happened, I have a hard time believing that the person who has Gabriel has good intentions. ::MonkeyNoNo::

 Yes  ::MonkeyTears::   ::MonkeyTears:: 


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: N2WISHN on January 11, 2010, 10:59:43 AM
Please let this not be related

Man reports toddler in Rio Grande
 
 
 
 

Associated Press - January 6, 2010 8:05 PM ET

LOS LUNAS, N.M. (AP) - Darkness has prompted police to call off a search for a possible toddler in the Rio Grande at Los Lunas.

The search began Wednesday afternoon after a man called 911 to say he'd seen a toddler floating face-down in the river.

Los Lunas Police Chief Roy Melnick says the man sounded credible, so police took no chances even though no one in the area reported a missing child.

The man was walking over a bridge on N.M. 6 when he spotted a child wearing a diaper in the river.

State police assisted with the search, and a dive team, a helicopter and a hovercraft were called in.

http://www.kvia.com/Global/story.asp?S=11781196

**This still bothers me and I wonder if there is something more to this. Anyone know how far this is from Tempe, AZ? I went back for an update and all I could find is that the search was called off last Thursday. No explanation as to why or any additional updates on this sighting.


It is 314 miles between Tempe, AZ and Los Lunas, NM

http://www.myrateplan.com/how_far/


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: darla on January 11, 2010, 11:09:24 AM
Good Morning Monkeys and Guest!

Northern thanks for all the info from Craigslist....I got lost when I tried to find anything on there.

Jack and Tammi are so FOS. This is not their first rodeo. .
I am going to be out most of the afternoon, so will some sweet Monkey post what is said in the press conference.
 

Jack's daughter and Hannah's mother is Nicole Smith Warford,aka: Nicole Smith BlanK, aka: Nicki Blank
Tammi is whining that Hannah wants a brother or sister. She has a brother already by Nicki and Jack and Tammi tried to take him also. Someone who is better than me at digging see what you can find. She has been married twice that I know of and is 37 yrs old and has a brother by the name of Donnie Smith. Nicki has more siblings, but don't know there names.  Her mother is Vicki Meadows married to Clark Meadows. They live in St. Louis.
There were also some young girls in Tenn. that they tried to pull a scam on to get their babies.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: no rose colored glasses on January 11, 2010, 11:12:04 AM
Good Morning Monkeys and Guest!

Northern thanks for all the info from Craigslist....I got lost when I tried to find anything on there.

Jack and Tammi are so FOS. This is not their first rodeo. .
I am going to be out most of the afternoon, so will some sweet Monkey post what is said in the press conference.
 

Jack's daughter and Hannah's mother is Nicole Smith Warford,aka: Nicole Smith BlanK, aka: Nicki Blank
Tammi is whining that Hannah wants a brother or sister. She has a brother already by Nicki and Jack and Tammi tried to take him also. Someone who is better than me at digging see what you can find. She has been married twice that I know of and is 37 yrs old and has a brother by the name of Donnie Smith. Nicki has more siblings, but don't know there names.  Her mother is Vicki Meadows married to Clark Meadows. They live in St. Louis.
There were also some young girls in Tenn. that they tried to pull a scam on to get their babies.
OMG, these people are just disgusting  ::MonkeyNoNo:: I'll go walk the dog now and then will be back for the press conference, have been wondering all night what is going to be said.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: N2WISHN on January 11, 2010, 11:13:00 AM
Please let this not be related

Man reports toddler in Rio Grande
 
 
 
 

Associated Press - January 6, 2010 8:05 PM ET

LOS LUNAS, N.M. (AP) - Darkness has prompted police to call off a search for a possible toddler in the Rio Grande at Los Lunas.

The search began Wednesday afternoon after a man called 911 to say he'd seen a toddler floating face-down in the river.

Los Lunas Police Chief Roy Melnick says the man sounded credible, so police took no chances even though no one in the area reported a missing child.

The man was walking over a bridge on N.M. 6 when he spotted a child wearing a diaper in the river.

State police assisted with the search, and a dive team, a helicopter and a hovercraft were called in.

http://www.kvia.com/Global/story.asp?S=11781196

**This still bothers me and I wonder if there is something more to this. Anyone know how far this is from Tempe, AZ? I went back for an update and all I could find is that the search was called off last Thursday. No explanation as to why or any additional updates on this sighting.


It is 314 miles between Tempe, AZ and Los Lunas, NM

http://www.myrateplan.com/how_far/


Short video explaining that search was completed and no body found

http://abqjournal.magnify.net/video/Search-for-Toddler-Called-Off


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 11, 2010, 11:14:48 AM
Good Morning Monkeys and Guest!

Northern thanks for all the info from Craigslist....I got lost when I tried to find anything on there.

Jack and Tammi are so FOS. This is not their first rodeo. .
I am going to be out most of the afternoon, so will some sweet Monkey post what is said in the press conference.
 

Jack's daughter and Hannah's mother is Nicole Smith Warford,aka: Nicole Smith BlanK, aka: Nicki Blank
Tammi is whining that Hannah wants a brother or sister. She has a brother already by Nicki and Jack and Tammi tried to take him also. Someone who is better than me at digging see what you can find. She has been married twice that I know of and is 37 yrs old and has a brother by the name of Donnie Smith. Nicki has more siblings, but don't know there names.  Her mother is Vicki Meadows married to Clark Meadows. They live in St. Louis.
There were also some young girls in Tenn. that they tried to pull a scam on to get their babies.

Hannah HAS a brother   ::MonkeyEek::    ::MonkeyEek::   

I will try to see if I can find the presser link to  watch online.  I am sure there will be lots reported about it for when you get back


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 11, 2010, 11:16:39 AM
Mom Charged In Missing Baby Case In Phoenix

Monday, Jan 11, 2010 @09:57am CST

(Phoenix, AZ) -- The woman at the center of the Arizona missing baby case has been booked into the Maricopa County jail.

Police in the Phoenix suburb of Tempe say 23-year-old Elizabeth Johnson was extradited from Florida over the weekend and has been charged with kidnapping and child abuse.

She's being held on a one-million-dollar bond.

Police say Johnson has not been cooperative with authorities regarding the whereabouts of her eight-month-old son Gabriel whose been missing since the day after Christmas.

Meanwhile, a couple in Scottsdale, Arizona -- Jack and Tammi Smith -- have been named "persons of interest" in the case.

Police say they too are not being cooperative


http://mystateline.com/content/fulltext/?cid=128122


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: darla on January 11, 2010, 11:23:31 AM
Yes , I am waiting on an email to see who has custody of him. But put out all the other info...hoping you all can find out even more about Jack and Tammi from this info.

All that I have found leads me back to Jack and Tammi being baby brokers, because the two children of Nicki's and Gabriel aren't the only ones they have tried to get.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: chi-monkey on January 11, 2010, 11:47:35 AM
Yes , I am waiting on an email to see who has custody of him. But put out all the other info...hoping you all can find out even more about Jack and Tammi from this info.

All that I have found leads me back to Jack and Tammi being baby brokers, because the two children of Nicki's and Gabriel aren't the only ones they have tried to get.

Thanks for the background on Jack and Tammi.  You have opened my eyes to another horrible situation, but better to know than not. 

Still hoping for baby Gabriel's safe return to his father.

Chi-M


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: seahorse on January 11, 2010, 11:49:55 AM
Hi Monkey's,

 presser scheculed for 1:00 PM (EST) today,supposedly.
Thanks, so 10:00 my time.



No Rose & Monkey's,


"Mountain Time" - 1:00 PM

Sorry, I miss spoke or miss wrote.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: no rose colored glasses on January 11, 2010, 12:09:31 PM
Hi Monkey's,

 presser scheculed for 1:00 PM (EST) today,supposedly.
Thanks, so 10:00 my time.



No Rose & Monkey's,


"Mountain Time" - 1:00 PM

Sorry, I miss spoke or miss wrote.
Thanks so 12:00 my time


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 11, 2010, 12:12:59 PM
Hi Monkeys

I am teacher on call (TOC) to home school grandsons (10/11) this morning but will be in and out of the forum anticipating some good news in regards to the upcoming media conference pertaining to Gabriel.

1:00 PM - Mountain Time?  What is that in Pacific Time?

Thanks

Janet
9:15 AM PT


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 11, 2010, 12:14:42 PM
 ::MonkeyShocked::

Thanks no rose colored glasses.

You anticipated my question prior to me asking.

Janet



Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: no rose colored glasses on January 11, 2010, 12:14:53 PM
Hi Monkeys

I am teacher on call (TOC) to home school grandsons (10/11) this morning but will be in and out of the forum anticipating some good news in regards to the upcoming media conference pertaining to Gabriel.

1:00 PM - Mountain Time?  What is that in Pacific Time?

Thanks

Janet
9:15 AM PT
12:00


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: mymonkey on January 11, 2010, 12:18:02 PM
Hi Monkey's,

 presser scheculed for 1:00 PM (EST) today,supposedly.
Thanks, so 10:00 my time.



No Rose & Monkey's,


"Mountain Time" - 1:00 PM

Sorry, I miss spoke or miss wrote.
Thanks so 12:00 my time


I keep thinking when Twiddle dee Twiddle dumb were on the interview and could not keep from  twiddling there thumbs that Gabriel was somewhere he could be found..they were nervous....now they act like Dumb and Dumber like they do not know a thing...I can not believe the money  and valuable time of LE that is being wasted on these three JS TS EJ and I have not heard of any real searches for Gabriel..... ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Searching on January 11, 2010, 12:24:21 PM
I am trying to follow this case but I am pages behind. Why are the Smiths not in jail? Did they take and pass poly's? It sure sounds like they know what happened but are refusing to say.

It might be difficult to keep a craigslist ad up for baby adoption without it being flagged and removed. I once was giving away a dog and I was told I couldn't do that, (what?), so going with that same logic, it might not be possible to give away a human being on craigslist.

This girl is unbalanced, whether it be because of her past childhood or a mental disorder, she had no business being around this baby, ever.

Have no idea why the Smith's are not in jail.  They took polys on Friday, which were sent out for results. 



Never heard of sending the test out to have the results read.  Normally the person administering the test can read the results instantly.  LE must not want the Smiths to know the results.

I was wondering about that because Crystal Sheffield said the same thing about her poly, anyone remember that?


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 11, 2010, 12:28:18 PM
Elizabeth is in the 4th Ave Jail

All this attention is one big party for Grandpa Bob.


http://www.kpho.com/video/22204856/index.html


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Searching on January 11, 2010, 12:28:59 PM
Mom Charged In Missing Baby Case In Phoenix

Monday, Jan 11, 2010 @09:57am CST

(Phoenix, AZ) -- The woman at the center of the Arizona missing baby case has been booked into the Maricopa County jail.

Police in the Phoenix suburb of Tempe say 23-year-old Elizabeth Johnson was extradited from Florida over the weekend and has been charged with kidnapping and child abuse.

She's being held on a one-million-dollar bond.

Police say Johnson has not been cooperative with authorities regarding the whereabouts of her eight-month-old son Gabriel whose been missing since the day after Christmas.

Meanwhile, a couple in Scottsdale, Arizona -- Jack and Tammi Smith -- have been named "persons of interest" in the case.

Police say they too are not being cooperative


http://mystateline.com/content/fulltext/?cid=128122
I still say they need to cuff those two up and hold them in conjunction with this case.. One of them will talk.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Tracygirl on January 11, 2010, 12:31:23 PM
Mom Charged In Missing Baby Case In Phoenix

Monday, Jan 11, 2010 @09:57am CST

(Phoenix, AZ) -- The woman at the center of the Arizona missing baby case has been booked into the Maricopa County jail.

Police in the Phoenix suburb of Tempe say 23-year-old Elizabeth Johnson was extradited from Florida over the weekend and has been charged with kidnapping and child abuse.

She's being held on a one-million-dollar bond.

Police say Johnson has not been cooperative with authorities regarding the whereabouts of her eight-month-old son Gabriel whose been missing since the day after Christmas.

Meanwhile, a couple in Scottsdale, Arizona -- Jack and Tammi Smith -- have been named "persons of interest" in the case.

Police say they too are not being cooperative


http://mystateline.com/content/fulltext/?cid=128122
I still say they need to cuff those two up and hold them in conjunction with this case.. One of them will talk.

No kidding, arrest them already.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 11, 2010, 12:31:41 PM
Hi Monkey's,

 presser scheculed for 1:00 PM (EST) today,supposedly.
Thanks, so 10:00 my time.



No Rose & Monkey's,


"Mountain Time" - 1:00 PM

Sorry, I miss spoke or miss wrote.
Thanks so 12:00 my time


I keep thinking when Twiddle dee Twiddle dumb were on the interview and could not keep from  twiddling there thumbs that Gabriel was somewhere he could be found..they were nervous....now they act like Dumb and Dumber like they do not know a thing...I can not believe the money  and valuable time of LE that is being wasted on these three JS TS EJ and I have not heard of any real searches for Gabriel..... ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyNoNo::

Nothing has been said about checking dumpsters in San Antonio around the three hotels, the park, or anywhere.  No news on any search at all.  I still can not find a single story about Gabriel in Victoria Tx so ifsomeone does have him there they may not even know about all of this.  Where is Gabriel?


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Searching on January 11, 2010, 12:34:18 PM
http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/34802462/ns/today-today_people/

Baby Gabriel’s mom ‘played us,’ couple say
‘Persons of interest’ who hoped to adopt baby call his mother ‘deceptive'
   
Video
  ‘Persons of interest’: Missing baby’s mom played us
Jan. 11: Jack and Tammi Smith, the couple who planned to adopt baby Gabriel prior to his disappearance, tell TODAY’s Matt Lauer Elizabeth Johnson is “deceptive.”

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An Arizona couple who tried to adopt an 8-month-old baby who’s been missing since Christmas say they now feel the mother of the baby duped and used them.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 11, 2010, 12:36:50 PM
Stations that have streaming capabilites .  Neither one has anything on their sites that they will be covering the presser live though.  There may be others but I have not found them yet.

http://www.kpho.com/live/index.html

http://www.myfoxphoenix.com/generic/news/live_video_feed1


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: darla on January 11, 2010, 12:37:02 PM
The poly examiner , if he is a certified examiner knows right at the time of the test if they are being truthful or not. Some times they will send them to the FBI lab to be looked over when the case involves the FBI.
I really think in a case of a missing child they aren't going to tell the poi if they  passed or not. I might be wrong , which I am quite often. But that is what I was led to believe.
As cold as EJ sounds she could probably pass it, she is too much like Casey.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: darla on January 11, 2010, 12:40:06 PM
Have a great afternoon Monkeys . Will catch up with you in a few hours.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 11, 2010, 12:44:11 PM
8-Month-Old Missing Child's Mother Extradited to Arizona -- but Where is Little Gabriel Johnson?

Elizabeth Johnson, the 23-year-old mother of missing 8-month-old Gabriel Johnson, arrived in Tempe, Arizona, Sunday after being extradited from Miami Beach, Florida, where she was arrested on December 30. Authorities say according to the East Valley Tribune, that Johnson has been rather tight-lipped and uncooperative with police and FBI agents attempting to gather information as to the whereabouts of the woman's missing child. In addition, she has not provided a composite sketch of the unidentified San Antonio couple with whom she claims to have left Gabriel. And Tempe Police believe the baby may still live.

But Pat Brown does not
, because, in addition to Johnson's story of leaving her Gabriel Johnson in the care of complete strangers in a San Antonio park, she told the child's father that she had killed the baby while in San Antonio.

MORE...


http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/2577233/gabriel_johnson_is_missing_profiler.html?cat=8


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: no rose colored glasses on January 11, 2010, 12:44:19 PM
Have a great afternoon Monkeys . Will catch up with you in a few hours.
Thank-you the same to you  ::MonkeyAngel::      SleuthyMama  SleuthyMama is offline
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Per BeanE's link above, I didn't realize that not only did EJ text Logan that Gabe was dead she also called him and told him she'd tell him where his "blue" dead body was once she got across the border.

So much for her trying to pass that text off as just an angry moment. She made a phone call about it too???    ::MonkeyEek::  ::MonkeyEek:: I just saw this on WS, is that true?


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 11, 2010, 12:56:04 PM
Have a great afternoon Monkeys . Will catch up with you in a few hours.
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Per BeanE's link above, I didn't realize that not only did EJ text Logan that Gabe was dead she also called him and told him she'd tell him where his "blue" dead body was once she got across the border.

So much for her trying to pass that text off as just an angry moment. She made a phone call about it too???    ::MonkeyEek::  ::MonkeyEek:: I just saw this on WS, is that true?

The reports have been vague and I do not reacll specifically that she called and sent a text.  I have heard that she told him where his "blue" dead body was once she got across the border but no idea if via call or text.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 11, 2010, 12:59:38 PM
4th Avenue Jail
 
The Fourth Avenue Jail opened in April 2005. This state of the art facility is considered to be one of the most secure and technologically advanced facilities in the nation. This facility was part of the largest county jail expansion project in the history of the nation, supported overwhelmingly by the taxpayers of Maricopa County.

Fourth Avenue has a capacity of 2,064 beds of which 288 are specifically designed to house the highest security level inmate in the system. The Fourth Avenue Jail was designed first and foremost with the interest of public safety in mind, following Sheriff Joe Arpaio’s philosophy of remaining tough on crime.

The Fourth Avenue Jail features user friendly video visitation for the general public. This facility also maintains a fully staffed and equipped medical and dental clinic. In addition, inmates are offered educational and religious services in the chapel and classrooms within the facility.

Please see the “Frequently Asked Questions” (FAQ) pages for more information about visitation hours/rules, regulation and rules about inmate mail, and other questions related to the Fourth Avenue Jail.

http://www.mcso.org/index.php?a=GetSubModule&sm=Jail_Facilities&mn=Our_Jails


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: no rose colored glasses on January 11, 2010, 01:03:34 PM
Have a great afternoon Monkeys . Will catch up with you in a few hours.
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Per BeanE's link above, I didn't realize that not only did EJ text Logan that Gabe was dead she also called him and told him she'd tell him where his "blue" dead body was once she got across the border.

So much for her trying to pass that text off as just an angry moment. She made a phone call about it too???    ::MonkeyEek::  ::MonkeyEek:: I just saw this on WS, is that true?

The reports have been vague and I do not reacll specifically that she called and sent a text.  I have heard that she told him where his "blue" dead body was once she got across the border but no idea if via call or text.

Thanks  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Tracygirl on January 11, 2010, 01:03:37 PM
I watched the nbc today shows video and it showed Elizabeth at court, is there a link to that? Wow it is chilling to look into her eyes, shudder! This young girl is very troubled.



Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 11, 2010, 01:04:17 PM
Grandfather of missing baby says life was hard on mom
Woman accused in boy's disappearance told relative she wanted better for her son


Elizabeth has refused to talk to police or the FBI, who are trying to piece together her cross-country odyssey. Before she was arrested in Florida, she texted McQueary from Texas and said she killed the boy and left him in a dumpster. She later told to a local television station that she gave him away to a couple she met in a San Antonio park.

http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/local/articles/2010/01/10/20100110missingbaby0110.html


NANCY GRACE
Couple Named Persons of Interest in Missing Baby Case
Aired January 7, 2010 - 20:00:00   ET


MATT ZARRELL, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER: ... we do know that the mother told the father that the baby was dead, was blue-colored. She put it in a baby bag in a dumpster. Now, she said that she was leaving the United States, and when she left the country, she was going to tell the father where the body was.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1001/07/ng.01.html



Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 11, 2010, 01:09:11 PM
Police believe missing Tempe baby is alive
January 7, 2010


The mother, Elizabeth Johnson, claimed last month to Logan Scott McQueary, her boyfriend and the baby’s father, that she killed the child and placed his body in a dumpster in a diaper bag, according to a Maricopa County Superior Court document.

http://www.eastvalleytribune.com/story/149226


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: klaasend on January 11, 2010, 01:13:04 PM
This morning I approved a new member that appears to be Gabriel's father Logan.  I'll watch for his posts and hopefully he will identify himself.  He's not online right now.

I would love to hear straight from him. 


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: no rose colored glasses on January 11, 2010, 01:15:57 PM
This morning I approved a new member that appears to be Gabriel's father Logan.  I'll watch for his posts and hopefully he will identify himself.  He's not online right now.

I would love to hear straight from him. 
Thank-you


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Tracygirl on January 11, 2010, 01:18:24 PM
Wow I am listening to the telephone interview she did, what a twisted person she is. Tammi is also trying to control the conversation, by saying she was being pushed off the ledge.

She is lying about this couple at the park, jmo


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Tracygirl on January 11, 2010, 01:19:56 PM
This morning I approved a new member that appears to be Gabriel's father Logan.  I'll watch for his posts and hopefully he will identify himself.  He's not online right now.

I would love to hear straight from him. 

Me too..I fell for this young man. Sounds like he was the only stable person in this child's life.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 11, 2010, 01:21:02 PM
This morning I approved a new member that appears to be Gabriel's father Logan.  I'll watch for his posts and hopefully he will identify himself.  He's not online right now.

I would love to hear straight from him. 

Thank you Klaas.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 11, 2010, 01:22:39 PM
Wow I am listening to the telephone interview she did, what a twisted person she is. Tammi is also trying to control the conversation, by saying she was being pushed off the ledge.

She is lying about this couple at the park, jmo

Tammi has done her fair share of mistruths as well


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 11, 2010, 01:24:38 PM
I watched the nbc today shows video and it showed Elizabeth at court, is there a link to that? Wow it is chilling to look into her eyes, shudder! This young girl is very troubled.



I will look for it .


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 11, 2010, 01:26:23 PM
EJ's court appearance from today . (is she snickering at one point?)

http://www.azfamily.com/home/related/Elizabeth-Johnsons-initial-court-appearance-81147937.html


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: SunnyinTX on January 11, 2010, 01:27:15 PM
This morning I approved a new member that appears to be Gabriel's father Logan.  I'll watch for his posts and hopefully he will identify himself.  He's not online right now.

I would love to hear straight from him. 

Thanks Klaas.....


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Tracygirl on January 11, 2010, 01:29:49 PM
I watched a video of the grandfather being interviewed and wondered if he is the grandfather to this little boy or simply a neighbor? WTH? Where is the worry, the outrage, the heartbreak? His little grandson is missing and might be dead or being tortured? The media taped him as he took pics of everyone in his kitchen? My god! While on the phone with her he didn't ask where the baby was? Is this person for real? I understand everyone reacts differently but come on.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 11, 2010, 01:30:00 PM
Wow I am listening to the telephone interview she did, what a twisted person she is. Tammi is also trying to control the conversation, by saying she was being pushed off the ledge.

She is lying about this couple at the park, jmo

Hi Tracygirl.

Janet

++++++

Tip Had FBI Searching Nashville Home
Agents Acted On Evidence After Elizabeth Johnson's Arrest In Miami
Pat McReynolds
Reporter, KPHO.com

POSTED: 8:52 pm MST January 8, 2010
UPDATED: 6:27 am MST January 9, 2010


Elizabeth Johnson's grandfather, Bob Johnson, even felt the Smiths were speaking in code to her when we recorded a group phonecall including the Smith's and Elizabeth from jail in Miami.

What is clear is that the Smiths, even then, were trying to clear their names.

"Did we try really hard to get you back here?" asked Tammi Smith.

"Yes," replied Elizabeth Johnson.

"And did we offer to get you an attorney and help you to keep custody?" Smith asked.

"Yeah," said Johnson.

http://www.kpho.com/news/22190418/detail.html


Raw: Missing Baby Mom Speaks with CBS 5 News

http://www.kpho.com/video/22155911/index.html


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: no rose colored glasses on January 11, 2010, 01:31:07 PM
EJ's court appearance from today . (is she snickering at one point?)

http://www.azfamily.com/home/related/Elizabeth-Johnsons-initial-court-appearance-81147937.html
  ::MonkeyEek::  ::MonkeyNoNo:: That's what it looks like.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: no rose colored glasses on January 11, 2010, 01:32:07 PM
I watched a video of the grandfather being interviewed and wondered if he is the grandfather to this little boy or simply a neighbor? WTH? Where is the worry, the outrage, the heartbreak? His little grandson is missing and might be dead or being tortured? The media taped him as he took pics of everyone in his kitchen? My god! While on the phone with her he didn't ask where the baby was? Is this person for real? I understand everyone reacts differently but come on.
I wondered the same darn thing, even a neighbor would have more concern, I simply don't get it.  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 11, 2010, 01:38:37 PM
EJ's court appearance from today . (is she snickering at one point?)

http://www.azfamily.com/home/related/Elizabeth-Johnsons-initial-court-appearance-81147937.html

Thank you Northern Rose.

The great overview presented to the court told the whole story in a nutshell.

Janet


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 11, 2010, 01:47:23 PM
EJ's court appearance from today . (is she snickering at one point?)

http://www.azfamily.com/home/related/Elizabeth-Johnsons-initial-court-appearance-81147937.html

Thank you Northern Rose.

The great overview presented to the court told the whole story in a nutshell.

Janet

Yes the prosecutor did a good job.  No Rose this video confirms that there was first a text message to Logan and then she called him.  I am going to watch this again and see when she starts shaking her head.  BTW, IIRC the fake name she used was Elizabeth Jones according to a news report from San Antonio. 


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: no rose colored glasses on January 11, 2010, 01:51:00 PM
EJ's court appearance from today . (is she snickering at one point?)

http://www.azfamily.com/home/related/Elizabeth-Johnsons-initial-court-appearance-81147937.html

Thank you Northern Rose.

The great overview presented to the court told the whole story in a nutshell.

Janet

Yes the prosecutor did a good job.  No Rose this video confirms that there was first a text message to Logan and then she called him.  I am going to watch this again and see when she starts shaking her head.  BTW, IIRC the fake name she used was Elizabeth Jones according to a news report from San Antonio. 
Thank-you, and I believe the fake name was Elizabeth Jones.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Tracygirl on January 11, 2010, 02:01:31 PM
Too me she has a "deny at all costs" attitude. I think she made up the story about the couple in park. It makes no sense she just would happen upon a couple at a random park who just so happened to want to adopt a child and took this child. She has no name, no address, nothing. I am sure all of you have already come to this conclusion, sorry if I am repeating what may have already been said or what seems to be the obvious.

I agree about the interview was also being used by the smiths as a way to clear themselves..Could they be telling the truth? Could EJ have been so manipulative as making them believe she was running from an abusive boyfriend/father and she was protecting the baby? No disrespect (well maybe some) but Tammi doesn't seem to be the brightest bulb, if you know what I mean. Shame on them for not checking things out first, if this is true.
 
Maybe this was all in the plan EJ had to what she believed was to protect Gabriel not from the father but from her? She seems like she really put some thought into this and worked out some of the details. The grandfather stated she wanted all along to give the baby up for adoption, that worries me. What also worries me is she now seems to have a "who cares" attitude because she got what she wanted in the end, she is not being the mom to the baby. Hopefully he is alive. 


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 11, 2010, 02:03:17 PM
EJ shakes her head no when the prosecutor say:

- On Dec 27 Logan received a text message stating that Gabriel was dead

- refused to tell investigators or Logan where she was located

- fact of the case is that she already fled

- defendant is the only person who knows where Gabriel is and if he is dead or alive

- refuses to cooperate and tell anyone where Gabriel is

- took Gabriel, concealed him and took him to TX

- Real possibility Gabriel is not alive

EJ says to the Judge "everything she is saying is completely false"

"Um...ask you, I really don't know what to say but everything is so false , from the fleeing to everything she said is so completely false.  I don't know what else to say about that."





Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Tracygirl on January 11, 2010, 02:09:34 PM
Northern Rose, did you see her mannerisms when she asked about her lawyer and then when she walked away? She seems almost drugged she was so relaxed. I found that strange.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: mymonkey on January 11, 2010, 02:10:05 PM
I watched a video of the grandfather being interviewed and wondered if he is the grandfather to this little boy or simply a neighbor? WTH? Where is the worry, the outrage, the heartbreak? His little grandson is missing and might be dead or being tortured? The media taped him as he took pics of everyone in his kitchen? My god! While on the phone with her he didn't ask where the baby was? Is this person for real? I understand everyone reacts differently but come on.

I thought early on Gramps knows more than he is telling...EJ has stayed in close contact with him during her wild ride!!!, as he said she is a wild  one to ride. ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: seahorse on January 11, 2010, 02:11:41 PM
http://www.azfamily.com/home/related/Elizabeth-Johnsons-initial-court-appearance-81147937.html

Ms. Temper Tantrum video of appearance. 


Elizabeth Johnson's initial court appearance

by Maricopa County Supreior Court

Posted on January 11, 2010 at 10:27 AM



Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 11, 2010, 02:12:20 PM
Northern Rose, did you see her mannerisms when she asked about her lawyer and then when she walked away? She seems almost drugged she was so relaxed. I found that strange.

All she wanted was to know when she got a lawyer and then walked away like she was dismissing the judge. 


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Tracygirl on January 11, 2010, 02:12:21 PM
EJ shakes her head no when the prosecutor say:

- On Dec 27 Logan received a text message stating that Gabriel was dead

- refused to tell investigators or Logan where she was located

- fact of the case is that she already fled

- defendant is the only person who knows where Gabriel is and if he is dead or alive

- refuses to cooperate and tell anyone where Gabriel is

- took Gabriel, concealed him and took him to TX

- Real possibility Gabriel is not alive

EJ says to the Judge "everything she is saying is completely false"

"Um...ask you, I really don't know what to say but everything is so false , from the fleeing to everything she said is so completely false.  I don't know what else to say about that."





Deny at all costs. Grandpa said it was an easy lie to tell and she is holding on to it. 


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 11, 2010, 02:14:24 PM
I watched a video of the grandfather being interviewed and wondered if he is the grandfather to this little boy or simply a neighbor? WTH? Where is the worry, the outrage, the heartbreak? His little grandson is missing and might be dead or being tortured? The media taped him as he took pics of everyone in his kitchen? My god! While on the phone with her he didn't ask where the baby was? Is this person for real? I understand everyone reacts differently but come on.

I thought early on Gramps knows more than he is telling...EJ has stayed in close contact with him during her wild ride!!!, as he said she is a wild  one to ride. ::MonkeyEek::

Gramps does not even seem concened that Gabriel is missing. He looks to be enjoying all his new visitors and is taking pictures for his scrap book.  I have not once heard Gramps ask for help in finding Gabriel or asking whoever has Gabriel to come forward. 


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: seahorse on January 11, 2010, 02:16:12 PM
I watched a video of the grandfather being interviewed and wondered if he is the grandfather to this little boy or simply a neighbor? WTH? Where is the worry, the outrage, the heartbreak? His little grandson is missing and might be dead or being tortured? The media taped him as he took pics of everyone in his kitchen? My god! While on the phone with her he didn't ask where the baby was? Is this person for real? I understand everyone reacts differently but come on.
I wondered the same darn thing, even a neighbor would have more concern, I simply don't get it.  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Gpa appears to be cold.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Tracygirl on January 11, 2010, 02:21:02 PM
I watched a video of the grandfather being interviewed and wondered if he is the grandfather to this little boy or simply a neighbor? WTH? Where is the worry, the outrage, the heartbreak? His little grandson is missing and might be dead or being tortured? The media taped him as he took pics of everyone in his kitchen? My god! While on the phone with her he didn't ask where the baby was? Is this person for real? I understand everyone reacts differently but come on.

I thought early on Gramps knows more than he is telling...EJ has stayed in close contact with him during her wild ride!!!, as he said she is a wild  one to ride. ::MonkeyEek::

Gramps does not even seem concened that Gabriel is missing. He looks to be enjoying all his new visitors and is taking pictures for his scrap book.  I have not once heard Gramps ask for help in finding Gabriel or asking whoever has Gabriel to come forward. 
Why is that Northern Rose? I noticed that same thing and posted about he could be a neighbor to this little boy. One thing he said in his interview with the media is, he didn't ask because it was a recorded line...He went on to say he knew she wouldn't answer because she knew it was a recorded line so he didn't ask. Well isn't that when you ask? My goddness who would not ask? Unless of course you are trying to help conceal it, maybe? Wasn't she driving gramp's car? Did he report it missing or stolen? Did he know she left with the car and baby? Oh one other thing he said was...She would just hand over the baby to strangers for free? hmmmm


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 11, 2010, 02:27:37 PM
I watched a video of the grandfather being interviewed and wondered if he is the grandfather to this little boy or simply a neighbor? WTH? Where is the worry, the outrage, the heartbreak? His little grandson is missing and might be dead or being tortured? The media taped him as he took pics of everyone in his kitchen? My god! While on the phone with her he didn't ask where the baby was? Is this person for real? I understand everyone reacts differently but come on.

I thought early on Gramps knows more than he is telling...EJ has stayed in close contact with him during her wild ride!!!, as he said she is a wild  one to ride. ::MonkeyEek::

Gramps does not even seem concened that Gabriel is missing. He looks to be enjoying all his new visitors and is taking pictures for his scrap book.  I have not once heard Gramps ask for help in finding Gabriel or asking whoever has Gabriel to come forward. 
Why is that Northern Rose? I noticed that same thing and posted about he could be a neighbor to this little boy. One thing he said in his interview with the media is, he didn't ask because it was a recorded line...He went on to say he knew she wouldn't answer because she knew it was a recorded line so he didn't ask. Well isn't that when you ask? My goddness who would not ask? Unless of course you are trying to help conceal it, maybe? Wasn't she driving gramp's car? Did he report it missing or stolen? Did he know she left with the car and baby? Oh one other thing he said was...She would just hand over the baby to strangers for free? hmmmm

Gramps has raised both Elizabeth and her twin brother since they were 12.  Where was he before that?  Maybe he feels he was just babysitting them as well?  I read somewhere that EJ's mother was murdered in Boston and both parents had drug and alcohol issues.  Maybe Gramps checked himself out a long time ago from being emotional?


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 11, 2010, 02:31:36 PM
Tracy I am having a hard time finding the Miami court video.  It was on Jan 4.  I am still looking.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Tracygirl on January 11, 2010, 02:31:46 PM
http://www.kpho.com/video/22155911/index.html

This interview with the grandfather is telling. If you haven't watched it, it is interesting. Maybe this man has just had a life time of drama from this girl and he is to the point of not being surprised by her actions? Families do get to that point with a "black sheep" of the family. His reaction to all of this is interesting. He states he knew of a plan she was going to change ssi numbers and leave. He goes on to talking about the park story and says something about the people would ask, is it free? Yea it is free and then says he doesn't believe it. He believes he is with a couple in Texas.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Tracygirl on January 11, 2010, 02:33:33 PM
I watched a video of the grandfather being interviewed and wondered if he is the grandfather to this little boy or simply a neighbor? WTH? Where is the worry, the outrage, the heartbreak? His little grandson is missing and might be dead or being tortured? The media taped him as he took pics of everyone in his kitchen? My god! While on the phone with her he didn't ask where the baby was? Is this person for real? I understand everyone reacts differently but come on.

I thought early on Gramps knows more than he is telling...EJ has stayed in close contact with him during her wild ride!!!, as he said she is a wild  one to ride. ::MonkeyEek::

Gramps does not even seem concened that Gabriel is missing. He looks to be enjoying all his new visitors and is taking pictures for his scrap book.  I have not once heard Gramps ask for help in finding Gabriel or asking whoever has Gabriel to come forward. 
Why is that Northern Rose? I noticed that same thing and posted about he could be a neighbor to this little boy. One thing he said in his interview with the media is, he didn't ask because it was a recorded line...He went on to say he knew she wouldn't answer because she knew it was a recorded line so he didn't ask. Well isn't that when you ask? My goddness who would not ask? Unless of course you are trying to help conceal it, maybe? Wasn't she driving gramp's car? Did he report it missing or stolen? Did he know she left with the car and baby? Oh one other thing he said was...She would just hand over the baby to strangers for free? hmmmm

Gramps has raised both Elizabeth and her twin brother since they were 12.  Where was he before that?  Maybe he feels he was just babysitting them as well?  I read somewhere that EJ's mother was murdered in Boston and both parents had drug and alcohol issues.  Maybe Gramps checked himself out a long time ago from being emotional?

I just posted pretty much the same thought, lol. This could very well be the situation.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Monkey with Class on January 11, 2010, 02:35:38 PM
Just doing some reading....

http://www.salon.com/mwt/feature/2001/01/19/adoption/index.html

It's also difficult to determine how often unethical practices occur in private adoptions because many adoptive parents don't come forward to report it, say adoption agencies. "It happens daily and if the deal works out and the couple gets the child, they will keep their mouth shut because they got what they want, which is the baby," says Robert Emmons, chief of the criminal fraud bureau at the Nassau County, N.Y., District Attorney's office. "It's only in the cases where the deals go bad that the law enforcement ever hears about it." Often the prospective parents have been trying for years to conceive a child and their attempts at in vitro fertilization have repeatedly failed. Some parents are pushed to a point where they'll do anything or pay anything -- and shut up about it -- in order to add a baby to their family.

The more time that elapses the more likely something has happened to Gabriel.  I tend to side with the text message that was sent to the daddy.  I fear that this may be true.  There should be searches at every location she may have went on Dec 26, 27th.  Dumpsters, etc...  This just is not adding up and to see her mannerisms at court this morning, she will not be talking anytime soon.  This is just awful....



Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 11, 2010, 03:13:36 PM
Mother of Missing Baby Refuses to Cooperate (with video)

PHOENIX - Police say Elizabeth Johnson kidnapped her son, then sent threatening text messages to her ex-boyfriend, the child's father, saying he'd never see the baby again.

At first Johnson said she killed 8-month-old Gabriel Johnson, then recanted, saying she gave the child away to a couple she met in a park in Texas.

There is still no sign of the baby, but there are several new developments in the case.

Elizabeth Johnson is back in the valley to face charges and we're getting our first look at her court appearance.

She's accused of taking Gabriel and driving to Texas with him - that's where she told family and friends she left the boy with a couple she'd never met before. Johnson was later arrested in Florida after not appearing at her custody hearing. She was extradited back to Arizona to face charges Sunday morning.

The 23-year-old woman won't tell anyone where the boy is, but does say she gave him up for adoption.

MORE...

http://www.myfoxphoenix.com/dpp/news/local/gabriel_johnson_011110


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 11, 2010, 03:18:04 PM
http://www.myfoxphoenix.com/generic/news/gjohnson

Fox just started a timeline.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: no rose colored glasses on January 11, 2010, 03:22:40 PM
http://www.myfoxphoenix.com/generic/news/gjohnson

Fox just started a timeline.
Thank-you


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Tracygirl on January 11, 2010, 03:30:09 PM
Mother of Missing Baby Refuses to Cooperate (with video)

PHOENIX - Police say Elizabeth Johnson kidnapped her son, then sent threatening text messages to her ex-boyfriend, the child's father, saying he'd never see the baby again.

At first Johnson said she killed 8-month-old Gabriel Johnson, then recanted, saying she gave the child away to a couple she met in a park in Texas.

There is still no sign of the baby, but there are several new developments in the case.

Elizabeth Johnson is back in the valley to face charges and we're getting our first look at her court appearance.

She's accused of taking Gabriel and driving to Texas with him - that's where she told family and friends she left the boy with a couple she'd never met before. Johnson was later arrested in Florida after not appearing at her custody hearing. She was extradited back to Arizona to face charges Sunday morning.

The 23-year-old woman won't tell anyone where the boy is, but does say she gave him up for adoption.

MORE...

http://www.myfoxphoenix.com/dpp/news/local/gabriel_johnson_011110

Something she said durning the phone interview has stayed with me, she said,  (not a direct quote) when I first tried to give the baby up everyone said how great it was...

to me this suggests why she would make up a story about a couple taking the baby. I don't buy it when she says she told the father the Gabriel was dead to hurt him because would it not be hurtful enough to simply say she gave the baby up to strangers? I am sorry to say, I just do not believe this child is alive and I pray to god I am wrong, please let me be wrong.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Tracygirl on January 11, 2010, 03:32:44 PM
Personally I think they need to check dumpsters, water ways and empty fields around said park. Me thinks that is where the baby is. Has she said what park and where?


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 11, 2010, 03:37:52 PM
I can not see her randomly picking a place that takes at least 15 hours to drive to.  By all accounts she was not a good mother, neglected Gabriel and did not want him.  Why would she isolate herself in a car for 15 hours with Gabriel so she can hoof around San Antonio for another 5 days before going to Miami?  If she wanted to harm Gabriel there is a lot of desert in Arizona that is less time to get to, then she could have continued on her journey without a baby bothering her.  There has to be a reason she went to San Antonio. 

The park is Raymond Russell Park. 


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: SunnyinTX on January 11, 2010, 03:40:18 PM
Perhaps I read and just don't remember, but where are EJ's parents?  It seems only the grandfather is vocal in all this.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 11, 2010, 03:41:44 PM
Perhaps I read and just don't remember, but where are EJ's parents?  It seems only the grandfather is vocal in all this.

Both are dead.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: no rose colored glasses on January 11, 2010, 03:42:18 PM
Perhaps I read and just don't remember, but where are EJ's parents?  It seems only the grandfather is vocal in all this.
I believe they are both deceased.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: SunnyinTX on January 11, 2010, 03:43:09 PM


Gramps has raised both Elizabeth and her twin brother since they were 12.  Where was he before that?  Maybe he feels he was just babysitting them as well?  I read somewhere that EJ's mother was murdered in Boston and both parents had drug and alcohol issues.  Maybe Gramps checked himself out a long time ago from being emotional?

ooopssss I should have read ahead, sorry


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: SunnyinTX on January 11, 2010, 03:44:15 PM
Perhaps I read and just don't remember, but where are EJ's parents?  It seems only the grandfather is vocal in all this.

Both are dead.

Thanks...so is this gramps on the maternal or paternal side?  IS there a grandmother?


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Tracygirl on January 11, 2010, 03:44:55 PM
Maybe she had a plan and it fell through? Such as she was going to meet someone there but they didn't show up or ? or while traveling hours in a car Gabriel was crying and she stopped and lost her temper?  I am leaning towards this story of the couple as being an alibi of sorts. Such as they find the body and her hands are clean because she gave him to some unknown couple.

BTW did you see how dirty his hair was in some of the pics? How hard is it to bathe a baby? It takes like 10 minutes tops.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: SunnyinTX on January 11, 2010, 03:45:06 PM
Perhaps I read and just don't remember, but where are EJ's parents?  It seems only the grandfather is vocal in all this.
I believe they are both deceased.

Thanks nrcg and NR


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: no rose colored glasses on January 11, 2010, 03:45:39 PM
Perhaps I read and just don't remember, but where are EJ's parents?  It seems only the grandfather is vocal in all this.

Both are dead.

Thanks...so is this gramps on the maternal or paternal side?  IS there a grandmother?
Gramps and grandma are divorced, not sure what side they are on.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 11, 2010, 03:47:17 PM
Perhaps I read and just don't remember, but where are EJ's parents?  It seems only the grandfather is vocal in all this.

Both are dead.

Thanks...so is this gramps on the maternal or paternal side?  IS there a grandmother?

Gramps is Robert Johnson , Grandfather or Elizabeth Johnson and her twin brother Robert Johnson.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: SunnyinTX on January 11, 2010, 03:48:01 PM
I looked at the video from this morning....I swear this gal instantly reminded me of Casey.....the same arrogance.....where do the young women get all this bravado. Hells Bells I would have told them every thing a long time ago...yet she like Casey refuse to tell the police where their babies are....this just scares the crap outta me....


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: SunnyinTX on January 11, 2010, 03:49:26 PM
Perhaps I read and just don't remember, but where are EJ's parents?  It seems only the grandfather is vocal in all this.

Both are dead.

Thanks...so is this gramps on the maternal or paternal side?  IS there a grandmother?
Gramps and grandma are divorced, not sure what side they are on.

thanks again... wonder if the divorce was before or after he took the children?


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: SunnyinTX on January 11, 2010, 03:50:39 PM
Perhaps I read and just don't remember, but where are EJ's parents?  It seems only the grandfather is vocal in all this.

Both are dead.

Thanks...so is this gramps on the maternal or paternal side?  IS there a grandmother?

Gramps is Robert Johnson , Grandfather or Elizabeth Johnson and her twin brother Robert Johnson.

Thanks...NR


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Monkey with Class on January 11, 2010, 03:54:59 PM
Perhaps I read and just don't remember, but where are EJ's parents?  It seems only the grandfather is vocal in all this.

Both are dead.

Thanks...so is this gramps on the maternal or paternal side?  IS there a grandmother?

Gramps is Robert Johnson , Grandfather or Elizabeth Johnson and her twin brother Robert Johnson.

In a quick search of adoption places in San Antonio....  Here are the addresses I found.  Can someone map these along with the two hotels and or the bus stop in which she took to Fort Lauderdale?  Maybe one of these adoption places was visited by her within walking distance of one of the hotels she stayed.

Methodist Mission Home
6487 Whitby Rd
San Antonio 78240

Adoption Services Worldwide
7300 Blanco Rd
San Antonio 78216

Adoption Services Associates
5370 Prue Rd
San Antonio 78240

Adoption Angels, Inc
118 Vroadway
San Antonio 78205

Adoption Alliance
7303 Blanco Rd
San Antonio 78216

Adoption Affiliates, Inc
215 West Olmos Drive
San Antonio 78212


Seeing it on a map may provide better visual.  I know we have a great monkey here that does this on maps.  Thanks!!!

I am not sure the addresses of the two different hotels she stayed in San Antonio.  Car was parked at Motel 6 but didnt stay there.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: cartfly on January 11, 2010, 04:01:58 PM
Fox news video titled "Did Mom Murder Her Child"

Anyone notice at 4:36-4:37 of this video Jack says "We noticed she was calling from a 210 area code"
So she doesnt call from a cell phone? They should have this number she called from. I thought this was very odd. Also earlier in the video, Tammi says they met her in the airport 7 months ago and then didnt hear from her till late one night in December asking if they wanted to adopt the baby. I thought she just met her 30 days ago. I must have missed something down the line. ::MonkeyEek::

http://video.foxnews.com/v/3965180/missing-baby-persons-of-interest-speak#/v/3965280/did-mom-murder-her-child/?playlist_id=87249  (http://video.foxnews.com/v/3965180/missing-baby-persons-of-interest-speak#/v/3965280/did-mom-murder-her-child/?playlist_id=87249)


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: no rose colored glasses on January 11, 2010, 04:13:29 PM
Fox news video titled "Did Mom Murder Her Child"

Anyone notice at 4:36-4:37 of this video Jack says "We noticed she was calling from a 210 area code"
So she doesnt call from a cell phone? They should have this number she called from. I thought this was very odd. Also earlier in the video, Tammi says they met her in the airport 7 months ago and then didnt hear from her till late one night in December asking if they wanted to adopt the baby. I thought she just met her 30 days ago. I must have missed something down the line. ::MonkeyEek::

http://video.foxnews.com/v/3965180/missing-baby-persons-of-interest-speak#/v/3965280/did-mom-murder-her-child/?playlist_id=87249  (http://video.foxnews.com/v/3965180/missing-baby-persons-of-interest-speak#/v/3965280/did-mom-murder-her-child/?playlist_id=87249)
I think there is two variations on this story, who knows if any of this airport talk is even correct? I'll bet they met from Craigslist, imo.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Mtnmom on January 11, 2010, 04:22:47 PM
Sorry if its been posted

http://www.sphere.com/crime/article/missing-baby-gabriels-mom-elizabeth-johnson-charged-with-felonies/19311106?icid=main|netscape|dl1|link4|http%3A%2F%2Fwww.sphere.com%2Fcrime%2Farticle%2Fmissing-baby-gabriels-mom-elizabeth-johnson-charged-with-felonies%2F19311106


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: no rose colored glasses on January 11, 2010, 04:25:50 PM
So I take it there was no press conference, wonder why?


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Monkey with Class on January 11, 2010, 04:34:16 PM
So I take it there was no press conference, wonder why?

Correct,  No news conference today.  Just the early court hearing with Elizabeth present.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: no rose colored glasses on January 11, 2010, 04:36:15 PM
So I take it there was no press conference, wonder why?

Correct,  No news conference today.  Just the early court hearing with Elizabeth present.
Thanks, maybe the police have something they are tracking down, and waiting to give a press conference maybe later in the week.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Tracygirl on January 11, 2010, 04:47:59 PM
Fox news video titled "Did Mom Murder Her Child"

Anyone notice at 4:36-4:37 of this video Jack says "We noticed she was calling from a 210 area code"
So she doesnt call from a cell phone? They should have this number she called from. I thought this was very odd. Also earlier in the video, Tammi says they met her in the airport 7 months ago and then didnt hear from her till late one night in December asking if they wanted to adopt the baby. I thought she just met her 30 days ago. I must have missed something down the line. ::MonkeyEek::

http://video.foxnews.com/v/3965180/missing-baby-persons-of-interest-speak#/v/3965280/did-mom-murder-her-child/?playlist_id=87249  (http://video.foxnews.com/v/3965180/missing-baby-persons-of-interest-speak#/v/3965280/did-mom-murder-her-child/?playlist_id=87249)
I think there is two variations on this story, who knows if any of this airport talk is even correct? I'll bet they met from Craigslist, imo.

on what dates did they have baby Gabriel?


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: NM on January 11, 2010, 04:50:48 PM
Traceygirl,
I'm not positive but I think the smiths had Gabe Dec9-18.



Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Tracygirl on January 11, 2010, 04:54:26 PM
When did they get the call from her from a 210 area code? was it the 21st or the 28th? In the fox video they say something like, she picked up the baby for a visit with the father, they called all weekend and finally got through to the father and realized he had not seen the baby that weekend and they heard from EJ on the following monday and she called from a 210 area code.
Didn't the grandfather say she left on the 26th? I am missing a week I think


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 11, 2010, 04:55:57 PM
Perhaps I read and just don't remember, but where are EJ's parents?  It seems only the grandfather is vocal in all this.

Both are dead.

Thanks...so is this gramps on the maternal or paternal side?  IS there a grandmother?

Gramps is Robert Johnson , Grandfather or Elizabeth Johnson and her twin brother Robert Johnson.

In a quick search of adoption places in San Antonio....  Here are the addresses I found.  Can someone map these along with the two hotels and or the bus stop in which she took to Fort Lauderdale?  Maybe one of these adoption places was visited by her within walking distance of one of the hotels she stayed.

Methodist Mission Home
6487 Whitby Rd
San Antonio 78240

Adoption Services Worldwide
7300 Blanco Rd
San Antonio 78216

Adoption Services Associates
5370 Prue Rd
San Antonio 78240

Adoption Angels, Inc
118 Vroadway
San Antonio 78205

Adoption Alliance
7303 Blanco Rd
San Antonio 78216

Adoption Affiliates, Inc
215 West Olmos Drive
San Antonio 78212


Seeing it on a map may provide better visual.  I know we have a great monkey here that does this on maps.  Thanks!!!

I am not sure the addresses of the two different hotels she stayed in San Antonio.  Car was parked at Motel 6 but didnt stay there.

Sorry, this took a while to do.

Green pins are places Police have confirmed Elizabeth was at
Red pins are Adoption Agencies.

There are two that are next to each other and they show up as one pin. 
Adoption Services Worldwide
7300 Blanco Rd
San Antonio 78216

AND

Adoption Alliance
7303 Blanco Rd
San Antonio 78216


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 11, 2010, 05:00:57 PM
When did they get the call from her from a 210 area code? was it the 21st or the 28th? In the fox video they say something like, she picked up the baby for a visit with the father, they called all weekend and finally got through to the father and realized he had not seen the baby that weekend and they heard from EJ on the following monday and she called from a 210 area code.
Didn't the grandfather say she left on the 26th? I am missing a week I think

- Dec 18 Elizabeth took Gabriel from Tempe AZ on Dec 18

- Dec 18 - Dec 22 Elizabeth and Gabriel location unknown from Dec 18 until she checks in  hotel on Dec 22.

Dec 26 Gabriel was last seen on Dec 26 at a park near Six Flags off I-10 in San Antonio TX, Raymond Russell Park


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 11, 2010, 05:02:57 PM
When did they get the call from her from a 210 area code? was it the 21st or the 28th? In the fox video they say something like, she picked up the baby for a visit with the father, they called all weekend and finally got through to the father and realized he had not seen the baby that weekend and they heard from EJ on the following monday and she called from a 210 area code.
Didn't the grandfather say she left on the 26th? I am missing a week I think

Logan received a text and a call on Dec 27th that Gabriel was dead and that EJ would not tell him where Gabriel was until she was safe out of the Country.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: NM on January 11, 2010, 05:04:13 PM
December 26 Mom and baby were last seen at Raymond Russell Park in San Antonio.

Dec 27 pings from Elizabeth'e cell near Victoria TX, heading toward the Mexican Border

Dec 27 11:45 Elizabeth seen parking her car at Hotel 6, sitting for 5 mins, getting out with a large backpack, and walking across street to Tornado Bus

Dec 27 Just before Noon Elizabeth buys ticket to Fort Lauderdale, FL . for for $180.00 and waits for bus which leaves at 1:00pm.  Only white person on bus.

December 30, police in Miami arrested Johnson, but found no sign of the baby.


****
NR Thank you for all the work and info!


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: klaasend on January 11, 2010, 05:09:28 PM
http://www.eastvalleytribune.com/story/149334

January 10, 2010
Mother of missing child returned to Valley
By Garin Groff
Tribune
   Eight-month-old Gabriel Johnson and his mother, Elizabeth Johnson, of Tempe.

The Valley woman who is not cooperating with police in the search for her missing 8-month-old son has been extradited from Florida to the Tempe jail, police said Sunday afternoon.

Police believe missing Tempe baby is alive [http://www.eastvalleytribune.com/story/149226]

Tempe baby still missing after mom's arrest [http://www.eastvalleytribune.com/story/149018]

Tempe police also announced that Elizabeth Johnson faces charges of kidnapping, child abuse and custodial interference. She is being held on a cash bond of $1.1 million.

The Tempe woman claimed she killed Gabriel Johnson and left him in a dumpster, but police believe the child is still alive. The child’s disappearance has sparked a nationwide search.

On Sunday, police appealed to whoever may have Gabriel, saying the child can be turned over to a fire station or hospital if that person is afraid to come forward.

Gabriel was last seen with his 23-year-old mother Dec. 26 at a hotel in San Antonio. She lost custody of her son to the boy’s father, Logan Scott McQueary, two days later when she failed to show up at a custody hearing.

Johnson was arrested Dec. 30 at a youth hostel in Miami Beach, Fla., and held while awaiting extradition. She told McQueary that she killed the baby and left it in a trash bin. But police have said they believe Gabriel is alive and they are investigating whether she gave him away.

Police said Johnson had been attempting to have Tammi and Jack Smith adopt the child, and that couple has since been named “persons of interest” in the investigation. Police said they believe the couple has information they are withholding from investigators.

Tempe police said they plan to announce more information Monday afternoon. If anyone has any information about the boy’s whereabouts, they can call the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children at (800) 843-5678.


Has anyone heard anything this afternoon?


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 11, 2010, 05:09:37 PM
Fox news video titled "Did Mom Murder Her Child"

Anyone notice at 4:36-4:37 of this video Jack says "We noticed she was calling from a 210 area code"
So she doesnt call from a cell phone? They should have this number she called from. I thought this was very odd. Also earlier in the video, Tammi says they met her in the airport 7 months ago and then didnt hear from her till late one night in December asking if they wanted to adopt the baby. I thought she just met her 30 days ago. I must have missed something down the line. ::MonkeyEek::

http://video.foxnews.com/v/3965180/missing-baby-persons-of-interest-speak#/v/3965280/did-mom-murder-her-child/?playlist_id=87249  (http://video.foxnews.com/v/3965180/missing-baby-persons-of-interest-speak#/v/3965280/did-mom-murder-her-child/?playlist_id=87249)

 ::MonkeyEek::  First I heard that. 


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: redquartz on January 11, 2010, 05:10:45 PM
December 26 Mom and baby were last seen at Raymond Russell Park in San Antonio.

Dec 27 pings from Elizabeth'e cell near Victoria TX, heading toward the Mexican Border

Dec 27 11:45 Elizabeth seen parking her car at Hotel 6, sitting for 5 mins, getting out with a large backpack, and walking across street to Tornado Bus

Dec 27 Just before Noon Elizabeth buys ticket to Fort Lauderdale, FL . for for $180.00 and waits for bus which leaves at 1:00pm.  Only white person on bus.

December 30, police in Miami arrested Johnson, but found no sign of the baby.


****
NR Thank you for all the work and info!

Who saw them at Raymond Russell Park? What were they doing?


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 11, 2010, 05:11:36 PM
Heard nothing at all if the conference happened or not. 


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Tracygirl on January 11, 2010, 05:11:46 PM
In one of the video's it is said she took grampas car on the 26th, no?


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 11, 2010, 05:18:10 PM
In one of the video's it is said she took grampas car on the 26th, no?

 ::MonkeyEek::  Could be bad reporting ?


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Tracygirl on January 11, 2010, 05:18:21 PM
Thanks for the time lines.....I am confused....Sorry I am going to go back to my corner and sit while I try to regain myself, lol.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: no rose colored glasses on January 11, 2010, 05:21:46 PM
Fox news video titled "Did Mom Murder Her Child"

Anyone notice at 4:36-4:37 of this video Jack says "We noticed she was calling from a 210 area code"
So she doesnt call from a cell phone? They should have this number she called from. I thought this was very odd. Also earlier in the video, Tammi says they met her in the airport 7 months ago and then didnt hear from her till late one night in December asking if they wanted to adopt the baby. I thought she just met her 30 days ago. I must have missed something down the line. ::MonkeyEek::

http://video.foxnews.com/v/3965180/missing-baby-persons-of-interest-speak#/v/3965280/did-mom-murder-her-child/?playlist_id=87249  (http://video.foxnews.com/v/3965180/missing-baby-persons-of-interest-speak#/v/3965280/did-mom-murder-her-child/?playlist_id=87249)

 ::MonkeyEek::  First I heard that. 
I can't get the video to play, so maybe this was answered in the video, where in the country is a 210 area code at.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: SunnyinTX on January 11, 2010, 05:24:09 PM
Fox news video titled "Did Mom Murder Her Child"

Anyone notice at 4:36-4:37 of this video Jack says "We noticed she was calling from a 210 area code"
So she doesnt call from a cell phone? They should have this number she called from. I thought this was very odd. Also earlier in the video, Tammi says they met her in the airport 7 months ago and then didnt hear from her till late one night in December asking if they wanted to adopt the baby. I thought she just met her 30 days ago. I must have missed something down the line. ::MonkeyEek::

http://video.foxnews.com/v/3965180/missing-baby-persons-of-interest-speak#/v/3965280/did-mom-murder-her-child/?playlist_id=87249  (http://video.foxnews.com/v/3965180/missing-baby-persons-of-interest-speak#/v/3965280/did-mom-murder-her-child/?playlist_id=87249)

 ::MonkeyEek::  First I heard that. 
I can't get the video to play, so maybe this was answered in the video, where in the country is a 210 area code at.

nrcg, it's the San Antonio area


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: no rose colored glasses on January 11, 2010, 05:26:23 PM
Fox news video titled "Did Mom Murder Her Child"

Anyone notice at 4:36-4:37 of this video Jack says "We noticed she was calling from a 210 area code"
So she doesnt call from a cell phone? They should have this number she called from. I thought this was very odd. Also earlier in the video, Tammi says they met her in the airport 7 months ago and then didnt hear from her till late one night in December asking if they wanted to adopt the baby. I thought she just met her 30 days ago. I must have missed something down the line. ::MonkeyEek::

http://video.foxnews.com/v/3965180/missing-baby-persons-of-interest-speak#/v/3965280/did-mom-murder-her-child/?playlist_id=87249  (http://video.foxnews.com/v/3965180/missing-baby-persons-of-interest-speak#/v/3965280/did-mom-murder-her-child/?playlist_id=87249)

 ::MonkeyEek::  First I heard that. 
I can't get the video to play, so maybe this was answered in the video, where in the country is a 210 area code at.

nrcg, it's the San Antonio area
Thank-you. I've also been wondering why she went to Miami? I don't think that has been answered, wondered if she knew people there.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 11, 2010, 05:30:46 PM
Monkey with Class may be on to something.  When I looked up the adoption agency closest to Homegate Studios - one of the hotels she stayed at guess where they do events?  Raymond Russell Park 

http://www.babyasw.com/events/index.php


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: no rose colored glasses on January 11, 2010, 05:33:21 PM
Monkey with Class may be on to something.  When I looked up the adoption agency closest to Homegate Studios - one of the hotels she stayed at guess where they do events?  Raymond Russell Park 

http://www.babyasw.com/events/index.php
  ::MonkeyEek:: I am just having so much trouble with her handing Gabriel off to someone, surely by now someone would have noticed this baby, unless they left the country.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: NM on January 11, 2010, 05:34:04 PM

Dec 8 father (logan) told to leave home. Last time Logan saw Gabe.

Dec 9 ej hids Gabe at smiths, she calls police and states logan stole Gabe, police find Gabe with the smiths
         Smiths have their temp custody papers signed on Dec 9 ????
              http://www.azfamily.com/news/local/Family-with-temporary-custody-80661277.html
         ej tells logan to sign over his parental rights

Dec 11 logan files for custody


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: bananas on January 11, 2010, 05:34:46 PM
Monkey with Class may be on to something.  When I looked up the adoption agency closest to Homegate Studios - one of the hotels she stayed at guess where they do events?  Raymond Russell Park 

http://www.babyasw.com/events/index.php

OMG... wonder if they had any kind of event the week she was in San Antonio?


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: no rose colored glasses on January 11, 2010, 05:36:03 PM
Natisha just said on HLN

...when she was apprehended she only had about $500 on her.   Tammi will be on NG tonight  ::MonkeyRoll:: she is saying the lie detector test was inconclusive  ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: no rose colored glasses on January 11, 2010, 05:36:45 PM
If she sold the baby she would surely have more then 500 dollars on her I would think.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Tracygirl on January 11, 2010, 05:36:48 PM
Monkey with Class may be on to something.  When I looked up the adoption agency closest to Homegate Studios - one of the hotels she stayed at guess where they do events?  Raymond Russell Park 

http://www.babyasw.com/events/index.php

Could be how she came up with this place? Maybe she saw this online and it got her to go to San Antonio?


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Tracygirl on January 11, 2010, 05:39:16 PM
If she sold the baby she would surely have more then 500 dollars on her I would think.

Bank account?


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Tracygirl on January 11, 2010, 05:40:53 PM
Monkey with Class may be on to something.  When I looked up the adoption agency closest to Homegate Studios - one of the hotels she stayed at guess where they do events?  Raymond Russell Park 

http://www.babyasw.com/events/index.php

If I could find a bowing monkey I would place it right here X. You are so good Northern Rose, I am in awe of you. Great find!


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Tracygirl on January 11, 2010, 05:56:31 PM
I know I said I was going to my corner but I can't shut up I guess. What I find curious is in the grandfathers interview he said something like....I dont' know why she would go to texas and not los angeles? When I first heard that I was like, L.A.? Does LA have a reputation for being in the adoption business? I didn't think so, or at least not more then any other large city, Then I see on the site that Northern Rose posts they have an office in LA. Strange isn't it?


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Monkey with Class on January 11, 2010, 06:25:24 PM
Thanks NR.   I did not see the link to the map of the locations.   Your quick on your work!  Nice job!


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Monkey with Class on January 11, 2010, 06:27:20 PM
Nevermind...  I see the map now.  It didnt load from my work PC.  Great work


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: no rose colored glasses on January 11, 2010, 06:31:15 PM
Nevermind...  I see the map now.  It didnt load from my work PC.  Great work
Yes, thank-you


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: klaasend on January 11, 2010, 06:32:54 PM
I thought this was an interesting Craigslist AD in San Antonio:

http://sanantonio.craigslist.org/wan/1543652618.html

INFO ON PRIVATE ADOPTION (sa)
Date: 2010-01-08, 3:51PM CST
Reply to: sale-fjgs8-1543652618@craigslist.org [Errors when replying to ads?]

Long story short, I am wanting info on private adoption and what it requires. Is it absolutely necessary to hire an attorney? I am wanting to adopt my brothers baby, which him and his ex-girlfriend have decided to give up for adoption. Or is there another way to go about getting their baby, like through them signing their parental rights over to my husband and myself? If anyone can give me any info I would appreciate it. Thank you

    * Location: sa
    * it's NOT ok to contact this poster with services or other commercial interests

   
   
PostingID: 1543652618


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: no rose colored glasses on January 11, 2010, 06:37:30 PM
I thought this was an interesting Craigslist AD in San Antonio:

http://sanantonio.craigslist.org/wan/1543652618.html

INFO ON PRIVATE ADOPTION (sa)
Date: 2010-01-08, 3:51PM CST
Reply to: sale-fjgs8-1543652618@craigslist.org [Errors when replying to ads?]

Long story short, I am wanting info on private adoption and what it requires. Is it absolutely necessary to hire an attorney? I am wanting to adopt my brothers baby, which him and his ex-girlfriend have decided to give up for adoption. Or is there another way to go about getting their baby, like through them signing their parental rights over to my husband and myself? If anyone can give me any info I would appreciate it. Thank you

    * Location: sa
    * it's NOT ok to contact this poster with services or other commercial interests

   
   
PostingID: 1543652618
Thanks, I'm still just amazed over what is all on Craigslist  ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Monkey with Class on January 11, 2010, 06:44:18 PM
I thought this was an interesting Craigslist AD in San Antonio:

http://sanantonio.craigslist.org/wan/1543652618.html

INFO ON PRIVATE ADOPTION (sa)
Date: 2010-01-08, 3:51PM CST
Reply to: sale-fjgs8-1543652618@craigslist.org [Errors when replying to ads?]

Long story short, I am wanting info on private adoption and what it requires. Is it absolutely necessary to hire an attorney? I am wanting to adopt my brothers baby, which him and his ex-girlfriend have decided to give up for adoption. Or is there another way to go about getting their baby, like through them signing their parental rights over to my husband and myself? If anyone can give me any info I would appreciate it. Thank you

    * Location: sa
    * it's NOT ok to contact this poster with services or other commercial interests

   
   
PostingID: 1543652618
Thanks, I'm still just amazed over what is all on Craigslist  ::MonkeyEek::

Yes, they allow people to flag a posting if its profound.  Many of them are removed quickly, however, some stay around longer.   Just about anything you want and the ease of craigslist.   The auto section alone is getting taken over by scams.  But they have personal ads that are not monitored too closely.

 Elizabeth used it quite often apparently foe selling items....  Did I read somewhere that she posted an ad for free baby stuff being given away?


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: no rose colored glasses on January 11, 2010, 06:57:15 PM
I thought this was an interesting Craigslist AD in San Antonio:

http://sanantonio.craigslist.org/wan/1543652618.html

INFO ON PRIVATE ADOPTION (sa)
Date: 2010-01-08, 3:51PM CST
Reply to: sale-fjgs8-1543652618@craigslist.org [Errors when replying to ads?]

Long story short, I am wanting info on private adoption and what it requires. Is it absolutely necessary to hire an attorney? I am wanting to adopt my brothers baby, which him and his ex-girlfriend have decided to give up for adoption. Or is there another way to go about getting their baby, like through them signing their parental rights over to my husband and myself? If anyone can give me any info I would appreciate it. Thank you

    * Location: sa
    * it's NOT ok to contact this poster with services or other commercial interests

   
   
PostingID: 1543652618
Thanks, I'm still just amazed over what is all on Craigslist  ::MonkeyEek::

Yes, they allow people to flag a posting if its profound.  Many of them are removed quickly, however, some stay around longer.   Just about anything you want and the ease of craigslist.   The auto section alone is getting taken over by scams.  But they have personal ads that are not monitored too closely.

 Elizabeth used it quite often apparently foe selling items....  Did I read somewhere that she posted an ad for free baby stuff being given away?
I know she was posting some baby stuff but I don't remember if they were free. I have never looked on Craigslist.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Mere on January 11, 2010, 07:24:52 PM
December 26 Mom and baby were last seen at Raymond Russell Park in San Antonio.

Dec 27 pings from Elizabeth'e cell near Victoria TX, heading toward the Mexican Border

Dec 27 11:45 Elizabeth seen parking her car at Hotel 6, sitting for 5 mins, getting out with a large backpack, and walking across street to Tornado Bus

Dec 27 Just before Noon Elizabeth buys ticket to Fort Lauderdale, FL . for for $180.00 and waits for bus which leaves at 1:00pm.  Only white person on bus.

December 30, police in Miami arrested Johnson, but found no sign of the baby.


****
NR Thank you for all the work and info!


NM...glad to see you...!  Congrats on the 1000 posts.

I always say I am going to start a timeline within a day or two...because after that
it becomes more complex.  Thank you for adding your information.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 11, 2010, 07:29:53 PM
Hi Monkeys

I am in and out.  No time to catch up.   We are off for a bite to eat and a movie (Invictus) with friends.

Any updated?  Did anything significant come from the press conference this afternoon?

Thanks

Janet
4:30 PM PT


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 11, 2010, 07:37:43 PM
Couple in missing baby case given polygraph test

The prospective adoptive couple who have been named "persons of interest" in the nationwide search for a missing for 8-month-old baby have taken polygraph tests in connection with the investigation, but the results were inconclusive, Tempe Police said Monday.

Tempe police Commander Kim Hale said Jack and Tammi Smith had been cooperative and that it is possible they will be asked to take another polygraph to obtain more conclusive results.

The latest developments in the case of Baby Gabriel were announced in a news conference Monday, a day after the boy's mother was extradited to the Valley.

Elizabeth Johnson, who has refused to cooperate with authorities, was being held on charges of custodial interference in the Maricopa County Jail.

Police say she took the child to prevent the boy's father from having custody.

She has said she gave the baby to a couple in a park in San Antonio, Texas, after previously sending the father, Logan McQueary, a text message saying she had killed the boy.

She later said she sent the message to get back at McQueary.

Tempe Police are working with the FBI behavior analysis group with their investigation, Hale said.

Tempe Police Sgt. Steve Carbajal said all aspects of the investigation are continuing.

"We are still looking for Gabriel," he said. "We want to make that very clear."

Anyone with information about baby Gabriel is urged to call 1-800-THE-LOST.



http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2010/01/11/20100111abrk-polygraph.html


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 11, 2010, 07:38:51 PM
Hi Monkeys

I am in and out.  No time to catch up.   We are off for a bite to eat and a movie (Invictus) with friends.

Any updated?  Did anything significant come from the press conference this afternoon?

Thanks

Janet
4:30 PM PT

It was not streamed and the news from it is just coming out.  All that I found so far I just posted. 


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 11, 2010, 07:41:03 PM
Polygraph inconclusive in missing baby case

Police said Monday they are continuing to investigate conflicting statements made by a couple involved in the case of a missing 8-month-old Tempe boy.

The results of a polygraph test taken Friday by Jack and Tammi Smith of Scottsdale, who wanted to adopt Gabriel Johnson, came back as “inconclusive,” according to Tempe police Sgt. Steve Carbajal.

The Smiths were named persons of interest by police last week because investigators believe they are withholding information that could possibly lead them to the whereabouts of the child.

The baby’s mother, Elizabeth Johnson, was extradited late Saturday from Florida to a Maricopa County jail, where she is being held on a $1.1 million cash bond. Johnson remained uncooperative with authorities about the child’s whereabouts and also is facing charges of kidnapping and child abuse, police said.

The Tempe woman claimed she killed Gabriel and left him in a dumpster, but police believe the child is still alive. The child’s disappearance has sparked a nationwide search.

Gabriel was last seen with his 23-year-old mother Dec. 26 at a hotel in San Antonio. She lost custody of her son to the boy’s father, Logan Scott McQueary, two days later when she failed to show up at a custody hearing.

Johnson was arrested Dec. 30 at a youth hostel in Miami Beach, Fla., and held while awaiting extradition. She told McQueary that she killed the baby and left it in a trash bin. But police have said they believe Gabriel is alive, and they are investigating whether she gave him away.

Results from a polygraph test can be “deceptive,” “truthful” or “inconclusive,” Carbajal said. In this case, the results came back inconclusive.

“It doesn’t really clear things up,” Carbajal said of the Smiths’ polygraph results. “We’re still investigating and asking for leads and looking at everything.”

Kim Hale, commander of investigations for Tempe police, said Monday that Johnson was “very quiet and standoffish” when aboard the plane back to Arizona from Florida.

“She was not forthcoming with any information — and she’s been that way since she was arrested,” Hale said. “At this point, the baby could be anywhere. When asked if she wanted to be helpful in locating where her baby was, she had nothing to say.”

Authorities appealed to whoever may have Gabriel, saying the child can be turned over to a fire station or hospital if that person is afraid to come forward.

If anyone has any information about the boy’s whereabouts, they can call the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children at (800) 843-5678.


http://www.eastvalleytribune.com/story/149384



Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 11, 2010, 07:42:01 PM
Gabriel's mom speaks briefly at initial AZ court appearance (video)

http://www.azfamily.com/news/Gabriels-mom-speaks-briefly-at-initial-AZ-court-appearance-81185647.html


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 11, 2010, 07:43:14 PM
I thought this was an interesting Craigslist AD in San Antonio:

http://sanantonio.craigslist.org/wan/1543652618.html

INFO ON PRIVATE ADOPTION (sa)
Date: 2010-01-08, 3:51PM CST
Reply to: sale-fjgs8-1543652618@craigslist.org [Errors when replying to ads?]

Long story short, I am wanting info on private adoption and what it requires. Is it absolutely necessary to hire an attorney? I am wanting to adopt my brothers baby, which him and his ex-girlfriend have decided to give up for adoption. Or is there another way to go about getting their baby, like through them signing their parental rights over to my husband and myself? If anyone can give me any info I would appreciate it. Thank you

    * Location: sa
    * it's NOT ok to contact this poster with services or other commercial interests

   
   
PostingID: 1543652618
Thanks, I'm still just amazed over what is all on Craigslist  ::MonkeyEek::

Yes, they allow people to flag a posting if its profound.  Many of them are removed quickly, however, some stay around longer.   Just about anything you want and the ease of craigslist.   The auto section alone is getting taken over by scams.  But they have personal ads that are not monitored too closely.

 Elizabeth used it quite often apparently foe selling items....  Did I read somewhere that she posted an ad for free baby stuff being given away?
I know she was posting some baby stuff but I don't remember if they were free. I have never looked on Craigslist.

free baby stuff (tempe)
Date: 2009-12-12, 7:02PM MST

hi i have a lot of free baby stuff to give away. call in the morning tomorrow-XXX-XXX-XXXX

http://phoenix.craigslist.org/cph/zip/1507588240.html

Today (Monday, Dec 14)
free baby stuff (tempe): hi i have a lot of free baby stuff to give away. call in the morning tomorrow-xxx-xxx-xxxx
http://74.125.95.132/search?q=cache:m5poc5PDungJ:twillage.com/search%3Fq%3D%26d%3DThursday,%2520Nov%252026%26city%3Dtempe%26state%3Daz%26country%3Dus+480-456-3608&cd=9&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=ca


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 11, 2010, 07:52:38 PM
Hi Monkeys

I am in and out.  No time to catch up.   We are off for a bite to eat and a movie (Invictus) with friends.

Any updated?  Did anything significant come from the press conference this afternoon?

Thanks

Janet
4:30 PM PT

It was not streamed and the news from it is just coming out.  All that I found so far I just posted. 

Thanks Northern Rose.

I will catch up later tonight or ... tomorrow.

 ::MonkeyBike::

Janet
4:55 PM PT


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 11, 2010, 07:58:31 PM
Can someone please report my last post.  I forgot to scrub out her number .  Very sorry Mods.  It will not let me report my own post. 


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 11, 2010, 08:07:22 PM
Nut - Could you please fix post 1173.  I forgot to scub the number .  Thank you!


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: no rose colored glasses on January 11, 2010, 08:10:44 PM
Why would a person give away baby stuff, I can see to a friend or relative, I can't see doing that for a complete stranger.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 11, 2010, 08:10:48 PM
EJ had gone shopping in Miami, bought clothes, had nails done, and had $500.00 cash on her. Investigators said she should have run out of money a long time before she hit Miami. 

Need to track the money, possible she sold Gabriel.

Police are still trying to figure out where all the money went. 

NG says having $500 cash on her does not indicate that EJ sold baby.



Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 11, 2010, 08:11:32 PM
No word on if she had her backpack with her when she was arrested.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 11, 2010, 08:12:38 PM
Why would a person give away baby stuff, I can see to a friend or relative, I can't see doing that for a complete stranger.

As she told Grandpa she was taking care of business.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 11, 2010, 08:18:15 PM
From facebook

Tammi Peters Smith The polygraph results came out in the press Conference today as "Inconclusive"..We were told that if we "Lied", it would say we Lied! But if we didn't lie, it would say "inconclusive"..We understand the results are going to be that way because our feelings are involved and it will pick that up through the Autonomic Ner...vous System! But we are still going to be on Nancy Grace tonight regardless!


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 11, 2010, 08:21:47 PM
Here come the Smith's

They were told the poly would either come out as fail or inconclusive

Got a call from high ranking official that it is clear they have no idea where Gabriel is

Tammi spoke to Gramps.  Tammi was trying to get an interview with one of the news stations and EJ and the jail told her EJ was not doing interviews..


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: no rose colored glasses on January 11, 2010, 08:25:48 PM
No word on if she had her backpack with her when she was arrested.
I'm sure interested about that backpack  ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: no rose colored glasses on January 11, 2010, 08:27:21 PM
Why would a person give away baby stuff, I can see to a friend or relative, I can't see doing that for a complete stranger.

As she told Grandpa she was taking care of business.
Instead of giving it away free, I'm surprised she didn't just throw the baby stuff away.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 11, 2010, 08:28:23 PM
Jack is getting choked up. 

Smith's heard EJ comment to someone else that she did not have enough money to get back to AZ so they were surpised she had $500 on her


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 11, 2010, 08:30:10 PM
Why would a person give away baby stuff, I can see to a friend or relative, I can't see doing that for a complete stranger.

As she told Grandpa she was taking care of business.
Instead of giving it away free, I'm surprised she didn't just throw the baby stuff away.

That is an excellent point.  I am wondering if these were just old and small clothes or if she gave away everything. 


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 11, 2010, 08:34:30 PM
Police are still investigation in Nashville and knocking on doors as there have been numerous sightings reported of Gabriel there.



Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: no rose colored glasses on January 11, 2010, 08:36:26 PM
Why would a person give away baby stuff, I can see to a friend or relative, I can't see doing that for a complete stranger.

As she told Grandpa she was taking care of business.
Instead of giving it away free, I'm surprised she didn't just throw the baby stuff away.

That is an excellent point.  I am wondering if these were just old and small clothes or if she gave away everything. 
It doesn't make sense, unless once someone responded to the ad, she said, do you want a baby to go along with the items? None of this is adding up to me, I really feel now that Gabriel is deceased, otherwise why play this game in jail, why not scream at the top of your lungs that you gave the baby to so and so, and here is a description, because she didn't and she can't, imo.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 11, 2010, 08:40:22 PM
Why would a person give away baby stuff, I can see to a friend or relative, I can't see doing that for a complete stranger.

As she told Grandpa she was taking care of business.
Instead of giving it away free, I'm surprised she didn't just throw the baby stuff away.

That is an excellent point.  I am wondering if these were just old and small clothes or if she gave away everything. 
It doesn't make sense, unless once someone responded to the ad, she said, do you want a baby to go along with the items? None of this is adding up to me, I really feel now that Gabriel is deceased, otherwise why play this game in jail, why not scream at the top of your lungs that you gave the baby to so and so, and here is a description, because she didn't and she can't, imo.

Her hate for Logan is greater than her love of Gabriel?  That is the only reason I can see her sitting there in her pink undies eating her bologna sandwich for brunch.  If they find Gabriel she knows he will go back to Logan.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: darla on January 11, 2010, 08:45:32 PM
Good Evening Monkeys!

I see there is nothing new. Was hoping something big had broke while I was gone.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 11, 2010, 08:47:59 PM
NG just said this is just like Tot mom. 


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: no rose colored glasses on January 11, 2010, 08:50:06 PM
Why would a person give away baby stuff, I can see to a friend or relative, I can't see doing that for a complete stranger.

As she told Grandpa she was taking care of business.
Instead of giving it away free, I'm surprised she didn't just throw the baby stuff away.

That is an excellent point.  I am wondering if these were just old and small clothes or if she gave away everything. 
It doesn't make sense, unless once someone responded to the ad, she said, do you want a baby to go along with the items? None of this is adding up to me, I really feel now that Gabriel is deceased, otherwise why play this game in jail, why not scream at the top of your lungs that you gave the baby to so and so, and here is a description, because she didn't and she can't, imo.

Her hate for Logan is greater than her love of Gabriel?  That is the only reason I can see her sitting there in her pink undies eating her bologna sandwich for brunch.  If they find Gabriel she knows he will go back to Logan.
That's true, and I really thought that for awhile, but now I don't think so. I don't know, but how long would a person sit in jail because they hate their spouse/boyfriend and don't want them to have the child? But then again she is not right in the head what ever her diagnosis is, so who knows?


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: klaasend on January 11, 2010, 08:50:33 PM
If you haven't seen it, here is Logan's myspace account.  Lot's of great photos of Gabriel. 

http://www.myspace.com/lowgs3211


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: no rose colored glasses on January 11, 2010, 08:51:22 PM
NG just said this is just like Tot mom. 
I think she is right. I wish she would stop calling Casey Tot Mom already. Does she have a name yet for Elizabeth?


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: no rose colored glasses on January 11, 2010, 08:53:33 PM
If you haven't seen it, here is Logan's myspace account.  Lot's of great photos of Gabriel. 

http://www.myspace.com/lowgs3211
Thank-you, such a cutie


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 11, 2010, 08:55:30 PM
Why would a person give away baby stuff, I can see to a friend or relative, I can't see doing that for a complete stranger.

As she told Grandpa she was taking care of business.
Instead of giving it away free, I'm surprised she didn't just throw the baby stuff away.

That is an excellent point.  I am wondering if these were just old and small clothes or if she gave away everything. 
It doesn't make sense, unless once someone responded to the ad, she said, do you want a baby to go along with the items? None of this is adding up to me, I really feel now that Gabriel is deceased, otherwise why play this game in jail, why not scream at the top of your lungs that you gave the baby to so and so, and here is a description, because she didn't and she can't, imo.

Her hate for Logan is greater than her love of Gabriel?  That is the only reason I can see her sitting there in her pink undies eating her bologna sandwich for brunch.  If they find Gabriel she knows he will go back to Logan.
That's true, and I really thought that for awhile, but now I don't think so. I don't know, but how long would a person sit in jail because they hate their spouse/boyfriend and don't want them to have the child? But then again she is not right in the head what ever her diagnosis is, so who knows?

How long has Casey been sitting in jail because she hated cindy ... ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: cartfly on January 11, 2010, 08:56:41 PM
Why would a person give away baby stuff, I can see to a friend or relative, I can't see doing that for a complete stranger.

As she told Grandpa she was taking care of business.
Instead of giving it away free, I'm surprised she didn't just throw the baby stuff away.

That is an excellent point.  I am wondering if these were just old and small clothes or if she gave away everything. 
It doesn't make sense, unless once someone responded to the ad, she said, do you want a baby to go along with the items? None of this is adding up to me, I really feel now that Gabriel is deceased, otherwise why play this game in jail, why not scream at the top of your lungs that you gave the baby to so and so, and here is a description, because she didn't and she can't, imo.
Unfortunately, I agree I really dont see any other scenario. I hope I am proved wrong.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 11, 2010, 09:00:35 PM
If you haven't seen it, here is Logan's myspace account.  Lot's of great photos of Gabriel. 

http://www.myspace.com/lowgs3211

Really good pictures of Gabriel. 


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: darla on January 11, 2010, 09:03:31 PM
Gabriel is such a beautiful little boy. EJ really needs to tell where he is and I hope they start really put the screws to her and get some answers. I think it is wise that they are keeping Tammi away from her.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: klaasend on January 11, 2010, 09:08:10 PM
Gabriel is such a beautiful little boy. EJ really needs to tell where he is and I hope they start really put the screws to her and get some answers. I think it is wise that they are keeping Tammi away from her.

What a precious child.  This mother scares me, she acts bipolar.  It bothers me that with all the publicity if she gave him to an honest family that they haven't come forward.  It's not adding up.

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub8/Gabriel.jpg)


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: cartfly on January 11, 2010, 09:08:53 PM
When did they get the call from her from a 210 area code? was it the 21st or the 28th? In the fox video they say something like, she picked up the baby for a visit with the father, they called all weekend and finally got through to the father and realized he had not seen the baby that weekend and they heard from EJ on the following monday and she called from a 210 area code.
Didn't the grandfather say she left on the 26th? I am missing a week I think
Hope this makes sense:

When Jack mentioned the 210 area code I took it that he was describing when they (Tammi/Jack) had posted on her (EJ's) myspace page and she texed them back, then Tammi told EJ that it was too much to text that EJ needs to call her instead. And that's when they noticed she was calling from a 210 area code. The post on EJ's myspace was December 31st. So I am a little baffled by their story.
If she called them she wasnt calling from her cellphone because they noticed a 210 area code. What does this number belong to? A search should begin there if it hasn't already.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: cartfly on January 11, 2010, 09:10:09 PM
Sorry I put the wrong image:


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: bananas on January 11, 2010, 09:15:07 PM
Why would a person give away baby stuff, I can see to a friend or relative, I can't see doing that for a complete stranger.

As she told Grandpa she was taking care of business.
Instead of giving it away free, I'm surprised she didn't just throw the baby stuff away.

That is an excellent point.  I am wondering if these were just old and small clothes or if she gave away everything. 
It doesn't make sense, unless once someone responded to the ad, she said, do you want a baby to go along with the items? None of this is adding up to me, I really feel now that Gabriel is deceased, otherwise why play this game in jail, why not scream at the top of your lungs that you gave the baby to so and so, and here is a description, because she didn't and she can't, imo.

No Rose, I think you have hit this nail square on the head!  And I am wondering what was in the backpack she took from the car too.  Would like to hear if she had it with her.  I would feel better if she did..... maybe.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: no rose colored glasses on January 11, 2010, 09:22:50 PM
Why would a person give away baby stuff, I can see to a friend or relative, I can't see doing that for a complete stranger.

As she told Grandpa she was taking care of business.
Instead of giving it away free, I'm surprised she didn't just throw the baby stuff away.

That is an excellent point.  I am wondering if these were just old and small clothes or if she gave away everything. 
It doesn't make sense, unless once someone responded to the ad, she said, do you want a baby to go along with the items? None of this is adding up to me, I really feel now that Gabriel is deceased, otherwise why play this game in jail, why not scream at the top of your lungs that you gave the baby to so and so, and here is a description, because she didn't and she can't, imo.

No Rose, I think you have hit this nail square on the head!  And I am wondering what was in the backpack she took from the car too.  Would like to hear if she had it with her.  I would feel better if she did..... maybe.
I sure wish we would here if she had that backpack. If that was all she was carrying then perhaps that did have her clothes and things in it. I still would love to know why she chose to end up in Miami. Could she have picked Miami because she had friends there and maybe she was going to leave and go to the Bahamas or something, maybe someone was going to help her? But then if that was the case I doubt if she would have ended up in a cheap youth hostel.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: no rose colored glasses on January 11, 2010, 09:24:51 PM
Her horrible fits of destructive temper and if her grandpa is telling the truth about her being off her postpartum meds, in my eyes that is nothing but a terrible disaster waiting to happen.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: cartfly on January 11, 2010, 09:25:57 PM
Monkey with Class may be on to something.  When I looked up the adoption agency closest to Homegate Studios - one of the hotels she stayed at guess where they do events?  Raymond Russell Park 

http://www.babyasw.com/events/index.php

I agree, thanks to the both of you for putting that all together (maps/locations)! It is certainly very  interesting.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 11, 2010, 09:36:16 PM
Police think missing Ariz. baby is alive


More than three weeks after an Arizona baby disappeared in Texas, investigators publicly sought new leads Monday because his mom wasn't talking.

Their main questions: Did Elizabeth Johnson kill her 8-month-old son, Gabriel? Why isn't she cooperating with investigators? How did the unemployed Johnson get $1,200 to travel across the country, buy food and stay in hotels? And just how much does a Scottsdale couple who wanted to adopt the child know?

Gabriel was last seen Dec. 26 in San Antonio. Johnson, 23, drove there from her home in the Phoenix suburb of Tempe, stayed about a week, then took a bus to Florida without Gabriel. She was arrested Dec. 30 in Miami Beach and returned to Arizona to face kidnapping and child abuse charges.

"Gabriel was in San Antonio. He was there, he was alive, he was well," Cmdr. Kim Hale, who is leading Tempe police's investigation, said Monday. "Elizabeth Johnson left San Antonio without him, that we can confirm. So what happened in San Antonio? Right now, Elizabeth Johnson is the only one who can answer that."

Not only is Johnson not cooperating, but she has given two very different stories about what happened to Gabriel, investigators said.

"I killed him," she told Logan McQueary, her ex-boyfriend and the baby's father, in a text message.

In a conversation not long afterward, McQueary told police that Johnson said she put Gabriel's body in a diaper bag and threw it in a trash bin.

But in a phone interview with Phoenix television station KPHO, Johnson said she gave Gabriel to a couple she didn't know at a San Antonio park and that she only said she killed the boy to get back at McQueary.

Hale said police have indications that Gabriel is alive.

"But at the same time, we can't negate the fact that she said she killed him. She was very specific about that," Hale said of Johnson, jailed on $1.1 million bond.

Another confusing aspect of the case is a Scottsdale couple labeled "persons of interest."

Jack and Tammi Smith at first withheld some information from police but have been cooperative in general, Hale said. He said results from a lie-detector test the couple took Friday were inconclusive.

Johnson gave the Smiths temporary guardianship over Gabriel for about 10 days last month before she picked him up and left Arizona.

Johnson met Tammi Smith, 35, in June during a layover at Boston's Logan International Airport.

Smith told police she struck up a conversation with Johnson at the airport after noticing Johnson seemed stressed out and needed help with the baby. Smith held Gabriel in the airport and during the flight to Phoenix while Johnson vented about being a single mother, according to a Tempe police report.

"Johnson said she told Smith sometimes she felt that adoption would be the best thing for Gabriel, and Smith told her that she would be willing to adopt Gabriel," according to the police report.

Jack Smith, 56, told The Associated Press on Monday that he and his wife adopted their 4-year-old daughter from a family member and had been wanting to give her a sibling.

"When Tammi got home she said, 'I met a girl in the airport and she has this beautiful little baby and she has troubles, and I held him and loved him,' " Smith said. "Tammi was very excited about it."

He said it makes sense that he and his wife are persons of interest in the case because they were the last ones to see Gabriel before Johnson left the state.

"Whatever they need to do to create whatever media waves to get and keep his face out there, I'm fine with," he said. "I'm very secure. We had nothing to do with this. We're doing everything we can every single day to keep up the fight, to keep this boy's face out there on the front burner instead of second or third burner."

McQueary, Gabriel's father and Johnson's ex-boyfriend, declined to comment.

His father, Frank McQueary, told AP that he and his son long have believed that Johnson has undiagnosed bipolar disorder but that she always refused to seek help.


http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/APStories/stories/D9D5THK02.html


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 11, 2010, 09:42:14 PM
Finally a news article from Victoria Texas!!!   ::MonkeyDance::

Search continues for 8 month-old, but not in Victoria

Tempe, Ariz. police department continue search for 8 month old, Gabriel Johnson with San Antonio police department.

Despite initial reports, Tempe police said the baby's mother Elizabeth Johnson has not been in Victoria.

"We are looking at data of where she went and that does not seem to be accurate," said Kim Hale, commander for the Tempe police department, of rumors of Victoria being a possible location of where the child could be.


Sgt. Steve Carbajal, media relations for Tempe Police, said the case started on Dec. 27 when the baby's father, Logan McQueary, contacted police after receiving threats from Johnson toward the son.

Hale said the last sighting of the child was with his mother in San Antonio.

The 8-month-old's mother was arrested in Florida on Dec. 30, but has not been helpful to police, Hale said.

MORE....

http://www.victoriaadvocate.com/news/2010/jan/11/lv_missingbaby_011210_81170/?news&local-news


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 11, 2010, 09:43:34 PM
Victoria Texas is off the radar based on that article.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: no rose colored glasses on January 11, 2010, 09:46:43 PM
Victoria Texas is off the radar based on that article.

Thank-you


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: lillyfinn on January 11, 2010, 10:03:31 PM
Hello Everyone,
 
I am new and this is my first post. I watched the news on the morning of the 7th and heard about the missing baby Gabriel. I have read the posts here about Gabriel from page one. I have also been checking other sites and reading everything I can find. Below I have wrote some thoughts and information. I am working on more.
 
 
Gabriel Scott Johnson      DOB: 05/03/2009
Elizabeth Joanne Johnson DOB: 07/24/1986
Logan Scott  McQueary   DOB: 01/02/1985
 
First the situation of naming another man as the possible father: Craig Cherry (I have not been able to locate any information on him.) Requesting paternity tests for both Logan and Craig would mean taking a swab (saliva) sample from each man, the mother and the baby for the two tests. (Unless there is another way, hair sample maybe but any test just will create delays) Elizabeth has just pulled another ace from her sleeve. To create more confusion, delay but mainly to cause Logan more PAIN and SUFFERING. This woman is CRUEL and downright HATEFUL.
 
Based on messages she received on her myspaceelizj86, there was one asking when her due date was, posted on April 24, 2009 asking this question. Then the next message dated April 28, 2009 stated Two more days. It does not show the reply dates so I based her due date was between April 26th to April 30th, with the birth of Gabriel being on May 3, 2009. This means according to a conception calculator that occurred approximately between July 29th to August 11th 2008. During this time period Gabriel was conceived. Now did she have contact with Craig Cherry during this time period?
 
Another interesting fact from her myspace is before the baby was born, she knew it was a boy and had already gave him the name Gabriel. (Relating this to the fact of Tammi Smith having a daughter named Gabrielle, coincidence?)
 
I allege Elizabeth is just creating a new chapter in her book of scams. If this were true that someone else was the father of Gabriel why did she relentlessly persist in Logan signing a paper to give up his parental rights of Gabriel? Why did Tammi and Jack Smith keep after Logan to sign? I truly believe that Smiths have known Elizabeth for a longer time than what either party is saying. (As above the name chosen before his birth.)
 
Because of the following:
Tammi Fay Smith has been looking for surrogate mothers for over a year, if not longer. She has had contact with several prospective candidates. In Mid-November of 2008 she had made contact with several potential surrogates via a website. surrogatemother.com (In so much as even giving her phone number and offering the single mother to live with her and her husband in AZ. Then on December 15th, 2008, Tammi Fay replied to one of the prospective surrogates the following message: " We actually did isems just a few minutes ago! If you need anything, .let me know. Good Luck, Tammi"
(Why she can't have children of her own, as stated by Tammi Smith, she had an "emergency hysterectomy at age 26". Why is an emergency hysterectomy done? I can only think of a maybe a tubal pregnancy? I know for a fact any reputable doctor will not remove a healthy organ.)
 
What happened with the insem? Was there a baby? Who was the mother? Tammi Fay and Jack haven't adopted any other children since Hannah Grace. If there was a baby born where is it? If so the full-term is about 40 weeks which would put delivery about mid-September 2009?
 
Was it back in December 2008 she met Elizabeth and a plan started for adoption? Therefore the name Gabriel. I read that when Gabriel was born they (Elizabeth and Logan) both had talked about giving Gabriel up for adoption. Then they changed their minds. But during the course of the following months Elizabeth kept pursuing the idea of putting Gabriel up for adoption, while Logan bonded with Gabriel. From reading about Elizabeth's upbringing in foster homes, psychiatric condition, she just never bonded with Gabriel and never developed any maternal instinct. Instead Gabriel became a burden, and Logan the enemy. Her twisted thinking and intelligence devised a plan. To take off and run, but she needed help. How to legally get Gabriel a new home and destroy Logan. Tammi Smith, she came up with a self-serving plan. Now the results are known worldwide.

 
We need to pray the truth comes out and Gabriel comes home safe.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: klaasend on January 11, 2010, 10:05:18 PM
Welcome Lilly - excellent, thank you!


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: mymonkey on January 11, 2010, 10:06:20 PM
Why would a person give away baby stuff, I can see to a friend or relative, I can't see doing that for a complete stranger.

As she told Grandpa she was taking care of business.
Instead of giving it away free, I'm surprised she didn't just throw the baby stuff away.

That is an excellent point.  I am wondering if these were just old and small clothes or if she gave away everything. 
It doesn't make sense, unless once someone responded to the ad, she said, do you want a baby to go along with the items? None of this is adding up to me, I really feel now that Gabriel is deceased, otherwise why play this game in jail, why not scream at the top of your lungs that you gave the baby to so and so, and here is a description, because she didn't and she can't, imo.

No Rose, I think you have hit this nail square on the head!  And I am wondering what was in the backpack she took from the car too.  Would like to hear if she had it with her.  I would feel better if she did..... maybe.
I sure wish we would here if she had that backpack. If that was all she was carrying then perhaps that did have her clothes and things in it. I still would love to know why she chose to end up in Miami. Could she have picked Miami because she had friends there and maybe she was going to leave and go to the Bahamas or something, maybe someone was going to help her? But then if that was the case I doubt if she would have ended up in a cheap youth hostel.

She did tell Logan that she would tell him where Gabriel body was when she left the country.
I wonder if she met someone on line that she was going to start a new life with,maybe a new boyfriend in Miami.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 11, 2010, 10:12:07 PM
 ::MonkeyDance::  WELCOME  lillyfinn    ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: darla on January 11, 2010, 10:14:53 PM
Welcome to the cage Lilly!
Great Post!

In the court papers that were posted a ways back, IIRC paternity was already  established at that time. Northern you are the quick Monkey with Docs. Do you remember when you posted those or did someone else post them?


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 11, 2010, 10:25:14 PM

Here you go.  The claim was made prior to Dec 17 , and on the 17th paternity was confirmed to be Logan.  I believe this was in response to the Dec 14th Motion for Pre- Decree Temporary Order without Notice for Child Custody ( bottom of first page)


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: darla on January 11, 2010, 10:29:16 PM
Thanks Northern...i thought I remembered reading that. So this other dude can be eliminated.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 11, 2010, 10:30:40 PM
Thanks Northern...i thought I remembered reading that. So this other dude can be eliminated.

Yup he was already eliminated Dec 17th.  I think the media was looking for something to write about. 


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 11, 2010, 10:32:01 PM
Logan is Gabriel's father
Logan has custody of Gabriel

Logan and Gabriel need to be reunited.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: darla on January 11, 2010, 10:33:02 PM
Was the Dec 17 hearing also the one that the judge ordered the parenting classes? Because I think it was Jack that said yesterday that Elizabeth had completed all of her parenting classes. Might not have been Jack that said it, but i remember it being said.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 11, 2010, 10:37:13 PM
Was the Dec 17 hearing also the one that the judge ordered the parenting classes? Because I think it was Jack that said yesterday that Elizabeth had completed all of her parenting classes. Might not have been Jack that said it, but i remember it being said.

Parenting Conference.  I think this was to try to work out an agreement between the two of them before the next court date on visitation, support payments,  etc.  I could be wrong.  CPS had an open case against Elizabeth and IMO the parenting classes would have been ordered by them. 



Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: darla on January 11, 2010, 10:49:57 PM
If EJ bought new clothes when she got to Miami, I is very possible that she may have had Gabriel in that backpack. Those buses usually stop at a terminal at least every two to three hours, If she did harm the baby he could be anywhere from Texas to Miami. I pray that he is found safe, but I just don't think he is.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: mymonkey on January 11, 2010, 11:39:35 PM
If EJ bought new clothes when she got to Miami, I is very possible that she may have had Gabriel in that backpack. Those buses usually stop at a terminal at least every two to three hours, If she did harm the baby he could be anywhere from Texas to Miami. I pray that he is found safe, but I just don't think he is.

Now that a good thought...I hope LE thought of that also.

It really angers me that EJ can sit in jail and just nod her head and not say anything...I would like to slap it out of her....this is the very reason crime is so high...you can do whatever now and just get away with by not talking ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyMad:: but she is being charged with kidnapping and abuse looks she will serve time for that....so why not talk.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: leslee on January 11, 2010, 11:55:46 PM
If EJ bought new clothes when she got to Miami, I is very possible that she may have had Gabriel in that backpack. Those buses usually stop at a terminal at least every two to three hours, If she did harm the baby he could be anywhere from Texas to Miami. I pray that he is found safe, but I just don't think he is.

I don't think she would have put Gabriel in that backpack and then sat for hours on a bus. Bodys let of gases when they die and it really would have smelled the bus up. To think she could have dumped him in a garbage can at a rest stop would be hard to do as a whole busload of people are getting off the bus with you. Since she never went to Victoria I think San Antonio is where they should focus, I don't think he is alive anymore though ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: klaasend on January 12, 2010, 12:16:34 AM
May have already been posted:

http://radio.woai.com/cc-common/news/sections/newsarticle.html?feed=119078&article=6588345

Police in AZ: Mom may have come to San Antonio to sell her baby.

Eight month old child is still missing.
By Micahel Board
Monday, January 11, 2010

Police in Arizona are launching the suspicion that an Arizona mother may have come to San Antonio to sell her baby.

That eight month old baby is still missing and the mother, who is in jail in Arizona, is not talking.

Tempe Police Commander Kim Hale said, today, when Elizabeth Johnson was caught in a Miami youth hostel, she had $500 in cash.  It also looked as if she had her nails done and had gone shopping.

"Even with conservative calculations, she should have run out of money a long time ago," Hale said.

Johnson, 23, began stockpiling cash shortly before she skipped her Tempe home, shortly before Christmas.  She had sold two of her dogs and rented a room in her trailer home.  Hale estimates that she had about $1,200 when she hit the road in her grandfather's car.

Hale also dismissed rumors that Johnson traveled to Victoria the day she left San Antonio.

In her first court appearance over the weekend, Johnson said the claims that she kidnapped her child, broke custody rules and harmed the child were all "completely false."

As time goes on, police worry that baby Gabriel won't be found.

"The time," Hale said, "is not on our side."

Timeline:

dec22-27th  Elizabeth Johnson stayed in San Antonio at the Homegate studio and suits and the Quality Inn on i-10.

dec 27th.  Logan McQueary called police to say that Johnson texted him and had threatened that she killed their son.

dec 28th McQueary and Johnson were due in court.  She didn't show.  He was given full custody.

dec 30th Johnson arrested in a Miami youth hostel

jan 5 Police in San Antonio located her car at the Motel 6, near I-35 and Zarzamora

jan 7th Jack and Tammi Smith of Scottsdale, AZ, are named "persons of interest."  Police think they may know what happened to Gabriel.

jan 9th Johnson extradited from Dade County Jail to Maricopa County Jail


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 12, 2010, 12:56:25 AM
Police: Polygraphs in missing-baby case inconclusive

The prospective adoptive couple who have been named "persons of interest" in the nationwide search for a missing 8-month-old baby have taken polygraph tests in connection with the investigation, but the results are inconclusive, Tempe police said Monday.

Tempe police Cmdr. Kim Hale said Jack and Tammi Smith of Scottsdale have been cooperative and that it is possible they will be asked to take another polygraph test to obtain more-conclusive results.

The latest developments in the case were announced in a news conference Monday, a day after the boy's mother was extradited to the Valley from Florida, where she was arrested Dec. 30.


MORE....

http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/local/articles/2010/01/11/20100111polygraph0112.html


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 12, 2010, 12:58:47 AM
Part of the conference and Jack and Tammi

http://www.kpho.com/video/22211571/index.html


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: lillyfinn on January 12, 2010, 01:59:11 AM
Thank you for the info on the paternity. Sometimes images do not show up on my screen. 

I wanted to add this about the backpack. Since the carseat was still in the car and it took her about 15 minutes after she pulled into the parking lot before she showed up on video again. Is possible that she did have Gabriel in the backpack but alive. Maybe drugged a little to sleep? I know sounds bad. Then somewhere along the way at a specific stop she gave him to somebody as part of the plan. It was said she was the only white person on the bus. Maybe the other passengers just didn't want any involvement with police, and ignored her. I just remember years ago traveling on a Greyhound through Chicago and a woman got on with a big shoulder bag. Inside she was carrying a medium size dog, maybe 10-14 lbs. No one said anything.

Plus heres something:

http://health.state.tn.us/Downloads/Me_Min091807.pdf

After I found this, I did another search and it is on another forum but I don't remember seeing it here, I included it because of what is after it.

This is from the pdf file
Minutes Tennessee Board of Medical Examiners
September 18 and 19 2007

from page 7 of 12

Tammy Faye Smith- Ms. Smith was neither present nor represented by legal council...
The Consent Order states the Ms. Smith practiced without a license providing colon hydrotherapy in the Nashville area in her clinic "Healing Waters." She provided this service for fifteen (15) months or more.
The Consent Order states that Ms. Smith must cease and desist from practicing all aspects naturopathy...
Ms. Smith shall pay two (2) type A civil penalties in the amount of two thousand dollars ($2,000.00) assessed for each violation of The Medical Practice Act.

From her website:

In early 2007, due to the fact that the state of Tennessee doesn’t allow Naturopathic medicine, there wasn’t much that she could legally do to help others. Tammi decided to sell her company to one of her employees and move back to her home state of Arizona.
Can you practice naturopathy without some kind of state or medical license?


The below is something I found and it looks to be about Tammi Fay Smith but with her name spelled a little different. The complete document is via the link. Plus the charge of Implied Consent for the above Medical Malpractice is included. Must be the one and the same person but notice the birthdate, she is almost 41.

http://ccc.nashville.gov/portal/pls/portal/PORTAL.ORCDYNAMICPAGEDETAILS.show?p_arg_names=a1&p_arg_values=SMITH|TAMMY|03041968

Case Details:
Name: Smith, Tammy  Faye  Date of Birth: 04-MAR-68
Disposition:   Disposition Date:
Case Type: GS  Case Number: GS423718  Citation/Arrest Date: 15-FEB-09  Case Status: CLOSED-BO
Charged Offense: DUI-2nd Off.  Convicted Offense:    Convicted Type (F/M):
 
Concurrent with:Consecutive to: 
Appearance Details:
Date: 11-AUG-09 Judge: Holt, Aaron  Court Room: Birch Bldg, Court Room 4B
Attorney: Caldwell, Ryan Craig Reason:Trial 


2nd offense of driving under the influence.  I still think she is under the influence...


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: cartfly on January 12, 2010, 03:26:39 AM
Thank you for the info on the paternity. Sometimes images do not show up on my screen. 

I wanted to add this about the backpack. Since the carseat was still in the car and it took her about 15 minutes after she pulled into the parking lot before she showed up on video again. Is possible that she did have Gabriel in the backpack but alive. Maybe drugged a little to sleep? I know sounds bad. Then somewhere along the way at a specific stop she gave him to somebody as part of the plan. It was said she was the only white person on the bus. Maybe the other passengers just didn't want any involvement with police, and ignored her. I just remember years ago traveling on a Greyhound through Chicago and a woman got on with a big shoulder bag. Inside she was carrying a medium size dog, maybe 10-14 lbs. No one said anything.

Plus heres something:

http://health.state.tn.us/Downloads/Me_Min091807.pdf

After I found this, I did another search and it is on another forum but I don't remember seeing it here, I included it because of what is after it.

This is from the pdf file
Minutes Tennessee Board of Medical Examiners
September 18 and 19 2007

from page 7 of 12

Tammy Faye Smith- Ms. Smith was neither present nor represented by legal council...
The Consent Order states the Ms. Smith practiced without a license providing colon hydrotherapy in the Nashville area in her clinic "Healing Waters." She provided this service for fifteen (15) months or more.
The Consent Order states that Ms. Smith must cease and desist from practicing all aspects naturopathy...
Ms. Smith shall pay two (2) type A civil penalties in the amount of two thousand dollars ($2,000.00) assessed for each violation of The Medical Practice Act.

From her website:

In early 2007, due to the fact that the state of Tennessee doesn’t allow Naturopathic medicine, there wasn’t much that she could legally do to help others. Tammi decided to sell her company to one of her employees and move back to her home state of Arizona.
Can you practice naturopathy without some kind of state or medical license?


The below is something I found and it looks to be about Tammi Fay Smith but with her name spelled a little different. The complete document is via the link. Plus the charge of Implied Consent for the above Medical Malpractice is included. Must be the one and the same person but notice the birthdate, she is almost 41.

http://ccc.nashville.gov/portal/pls/portal/PORTAL.ORCDYNAMICPAGEDETAILS.show?p_arg_names=a1&p_arg_values=SMITH|TAMMY|03041968

Case Details:
Name: Smith, Tammy  Faye  Date of Birth: 04-MAR-68
Disposition:   Disposition Date:
Case Type: GS  Case Number: GS423718  Citation/Arrest Date: 15-FEB-09  Case Status: CLOSED-BO
Charged Offense: DUI-2nd Off.  Convicted Offense:    Convicted Type (F/M):
 
Concurrent with:Consecutive to: 
Appearance Details:
Date: 11-AUG-09 Judge: Holt, Aaron  Court Room: Birch Bldg, Court Room 4B
Attorney: Caldwell, Ryan Craig Reason:Trial 


2nd offense of driving under the influence.  I still think she is under the influence...

Hi Lilly Welcome to the cage!! ::MonkeySlide:: ::MonkeyCheer4::

Good information and research! Tennessee is very conservative state. So I guess she hauled it when she realized she couldnt make any money there.

I dont think the OWI is Tammi though, because she is supposed to be 37 years old. I saw her birthdate somewheres I would have to look around again for it. Her name is hard to research with a common first name and last name like that.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: trimmonthelake on January 12, 2010, 09:00:48 AM
http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/2577233/gabriel_johnson_is_missing_profiler.html
Gabriel Johnson is Missing, Profiler to Nancy Grace: "That Baby is Not with Us"
January 11, 2010 by
saul relative 
8-Month-Old Missing Child's Mother Extradited to Arizona -- but Where is Little Gabriel Johnson?
Elizabeth Johnson, the 23-year-old mother of missing 8-month-old Gabriel Johnson, arrived in Tempe, Arizona, Sunday after being extradited from Miami Beach, Florida, where she was arrested on December 30. Authorities
say,
Gabriel Johnson is Missing, Profiler to Nancy Grace: "That Baby is Not with Us"
Date: January 10, 2009
Tempe, AZ
United States of America
according to the East Valley Tribune, that Johnson has been rather tight-lipped and uncooperative with police and FBI agents attempting to gather information as to the whereabouts of the woman's missing child. In addition, she has not provided a composite sketch of the unidentified San Antonio couple with whom she claims to have left Gabriel. And Tempe Police believe the baby may still live.

But Pat Brown does not, because, in addition to Johnson's story of leaving her Gabriel Johnson in the care of complete strangers in a San Antonio park, she told the child's father that she had killed the baby while in San Antonio.

Appearing on HLN's "Nancy Grace," Pat Brown, a criminal profiler and author of "Killing For Sport," told Nancy Grace that she did not see the investigation ending well for the child. Although police have not disclosed why they believe Gabriel Johnson might still be alive, Pat Brown said that she could think of nothing that would lead authorities to believe it, either, given what is known about the case and the histories of individuals acting the way Elizabeth Johnson has for the past couple weeks. "My opinion is that baby is not with us," she said.
What led her to such a grave conclusion? First of all, Elizabeth Johnson's own words to the baby's father, Logan McQueary, indicate a cold, vindictive nature. She told him she killed the child, placed his small body in a diaper bag, then put the bag in a dumpster in San Antonio, Texas. That admission might have led Brown to think that Johnson just might have killed her baby. Another good indicator that the baby may be dead was the carseat and baby clothes left behind in a hotel room in San Antonio as if unneeded.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: trimmonthelake on January 12, 2010, 09:01:50 AM
Article above continued at link..  http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/2577233/gabriel_johnson_is_missing_profiler_pg2.html?cat=8


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: seahorse on January 12, 2010, 09:25:23 AM
If EJ bought new clothes when she got to Miami, I is very possible that she may have had Gabriel in that backpack. Those buses usually stop at a terminal at least every two to three hours, If she did harm the baby he could be anywhere from Texas to Miami. I pray that he is found safe, but I just don't think he is.

Now that a good thought...I hope LE thought of that also.

It really angers me that EJ can sit in jail and just nod her head and not say anything...I would like to slap it out of her....this is the very reason crime is so high...you can do whatever now and just get away with by not talking ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyMad:: but she is being charged with kidnapping and abuse looks she will serve time for that....so why not talk.

Goodmorning Mymonkey,


She is sitting in jail alone for 23 hours...with nothing to break.  She will pop, just a prediction.

I feel soor for the Five foster homes, I bet she was terror to any other children in the foster homes. 

She is a spoiled brat. jmo.  What does EJ do for the 24th hour? excercise, internet, Sherriff Joe doesn't

look like he would have cable TV.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: no rose colored glasses on January 12, 2010, 09:42:35 AM
lillyfinn WELCOME  ::MonkeyCool::  Thanks for all the info and updates.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 12, 2010, 09:44:59 AM
Valley Couple's Polygraph Inconclusive
Tammi, Jack Smith Still Persons of Interest In Gabriel Johnson Disapearance

TEMPE, Ariz. -- Whether Elizabeth Johnson researched Tammi and Jack Smith is unclear, but knowing their histories, she couldn't have picked a better couple in which to spin her tale of woe.

Tammi Smith said her former husband abused her and after several years of fighting, she lost custody of her three daughters. Jack Smith also put up a fight for custody of his granddaughter, Hannah, from her biological father.

The Smiths admit they saw their own heartbreak in Johnson's tearful, blue eyes and believed every word.

"You know what? Maybe we were duped," said Jack Smith on Monday.

He said Johnson claimed her former boyfriend and Gabriel's father, Logan McQueary, abused her and was ruining her life. But CBS5 has not been able to uncover a shred of evidence that he was anything other than a hard working, supportive man.

"He was an upstanding person, he was doing everything he could to keep his family together," said McQueary and Johnson's neighbor, Gabriel Salas.

Even Johnson's grandfather, Bob Johnson, told CBS5 that it wasn't Logan, but Elizabeth who had volatile tendencies, and was even arrested for trashing the apartment she shared with Logan.

"Sometimes she just went crazy," said Logan McQueary.

The Smiths saw Gabriel as the son they always wanted. On Tammi's Facebook page, she left several posts from when Gabriel was in their care. They read, "Look at the new addition to our family." "Merry Christmas to Hannah. She now has a brother to play with."

A friend posted "Congratulations on your new baby," and was not corrected.

Around that same time, it appeared Johnson was planning to bolt. She posted multiple listings on Craigslist trying to raise money. She sold her dogs, took on a roommate and also offered to give away baby clothes. Gabriel's collapsible crib was hastily tossed in her shed upside down, indicating she knew she wouldn't need it.

Because of their past, the Smiths never questioned Johnson's lies and never involved Gabriel's father in any of the talk about adopting him.

Even when they knew Johnson was on the run, they put her in contact with an adoption specialist in Nashville, Janet Morris. The FBI searched her house and CBS5 uncovered court documents where Morris was challenged for allegedly stripping a father of his parental rights without properly notifying him.

MORE...

http://www.kpho.com/news/22213153/detail.html



Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 12, 2010, 09:49:52 AM
Thank you for the info on the paternity. Sometimes images do not show up on my screen. 

I wanted to add this about the backpack. Since the carseat was still in the car and it took her about 15 minutes after she pulled into the parking lot before she showed up on video again. Is possible that she did have Gabriel in the backpack but alive. Maybe drugged a little to sleep? I know sounds bad. Then somewhere along the way at a specific stop she gave him to somebody as part of the plan. It was said she was the only white person on the bus. Maybe the other passengers just didn't want any involvement with police, and ignored her. I just remember years ago traveling on a Greyhound through Chicago and a woman got on with a big shoulder bag. Inside she was carrying a medium size dog, maybe 10-14 lbs. No one said anything.

Plus heres something:

http://health.state.tn.us/Downloads/Me_Min091807.pdf

After I found this, I did another search and it is on another forum but I don't remember seeing it here, I included it because of what is after it.

This is from the pdf file
Minutes Tennessee Board of Medical Examiners
September 18 and 19 2007

from page 7 of 12

Tammy Faye Smith- Ms. Smith was neither present nor represented by legal council...
The Consent Order states the Ms. Smith practiced without a license providing colon hydrotherapy in the Nashville area in her clinic "Healing Waters." She provided this service for fifteen (15) months or more.
The Consent Order states that Ms. Smith must cease and desist from practicing all aspects naturopathy...
Ms. Smith shall pay two (2) type A civil penalties in the amount of two thousand dollars ($2,000.00) assessed for each violation of The Medical Practice Act.

From her website:

In early 2007, due to the fact that the state of Tennessee doesn’t allow Naturopathic medicine, there wasn’t much that she could legally do to help others. Tammi decided to sell her company to one of her employees and move back to her home state of Arizona.
Can you practice naturopathy without some kind of state or medical license?


The below is something I found and it looks to be about Tammi Fay Smith but with her name spelled a little different. The complete document is via the link. Plus the charge of Implied Consent for the above Medical Malpractice is included. Must be the one and the same person but notice the birthdate, she is almost 41.

http://ccc.nashville.gov/portal/pls/portal/PORTAL.ORCDYNAMICPAGEDETAILS.show?p_arg_names=a1&p_arg_values=SMITH|TAMMY|03041968

Case Details:
Name: Smith, Tammy  Faye  Date of Birth: 04-MAR-68
Disposition:   Disposition Date:
Case Type: GS  Case Number: GS423718  Citation/Arrest Date: 15-FEB-09  Case Status: CLOSED-BO
Charged Offense: DUI-2nd Off.  Convicted Offense:    Convicted Type (F/M):
 
Concurrent with:Consecutive to: 
Appearance Details:
Date: 11-AUG-09 Judge: Holt, Aaron  Court Room: Birch Bldg, Court Room 4B
Attorney: Caldwell, Ryan Craig Reason:Trial 


2nd offense of driving under the influence.  I still think she is under the influence...

Here is the original which was posted before.  I have read that guests cannot see images that are posted sometimes.  You may want to go back through the thread now that you can login to see the images you could not see before. 



Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: no rose colored glasses on January 12, 2010, 09:55:43 AM
 Gabriel's collapsible crib was hastily tossed in her shed upside down, indicating she knew she wouldn't need it.  ::MonkeyNoNo::It's statements like this that has me feeling that Gabriel is deceased, if she was planning on adopting the baby or handing the baby over to someone, at least I would think you would want to hand over his belongings, not toss them or give them away.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: klaasend on January 12, 2010, 10:08:30 AM
If Gabriel was given to a family in the USA, I cannot imagine that family not coming forward by now.  This worries me the most. 


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: cookie on January 12, 2010, 10:12:33 AM
Logan is Gabriel's father
Logan has custody of Gabriel

Logan and Gabriel need to be reunited.

I agree...I also heard on one of the shows that the judge had ordered that Logan's name had to be added to Gabriel's birth certificate if it was not on there already..thought that was interesting and the right thing to order to be done...jmo...


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: no rose colored glasses on January 12, 2010, 10:13:21 AM
If Gabriel was given to a family in the USA, I cannot imagine that family not coming forward by now.  This worries me the most. 
Agreed, and I also think that someone a family member/friend/neighbor would have by now seen a couple that all of a sudden had a baby, and would be suspicious.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Monkey with Class on January 12, 2010, 10:14:52 AM
If Gabriel was given to a family in the USA, I cannot imagine that family not coming forward by now.  This worries me the most. 

Correct.   I want to believe the Adoption theory, however, the longer she sits in jail, the more I believe her initial text and call to Logan.  I just hope LE is exploring all grids in landfills from the areas she visited.  Just not a good thing the longer it takes.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: cookie on January 12, 2010, 10:16:09 AM
Gabriel's collapsible crib was hastily tossed in her shed upside down, indicating she knew she wouldn't need it.  ::MonkeyNoNo::It's statements like this that has me feeling that Gabriel is deceased, if she was planning on adopting the baby or handing the baby over to someone, at least I would think you would want to hand over his belongings, not toss them or give them away.

Rosie..she might have figured that the parents adopting Gabriel would have their own crib or baby items..
If she was planning on bolting and just keep running with Gabriel, she would have taken the portable crib then wouldn't she? otherwise what would he have slept in? that is troubling...the whole disappearance is troubling..the fact that she clammed up and is acting so smug and calm...as someone else said, reminds me of Casey Anthony... ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: no rose colored glasses on January 12, 2010, 10:26:47 AM
Gabriel's collapsible crib was hastily tossed in her shed upside down, indicating she knew she wouldn't need it.  ::MonkeyNoNo::It's statements like this that has me feeling that Gabriel is deceased, if she was planning on adopting the baby or handing the baby over to someone, at least I would think you would want to hand over his belongings, not toss them or give them away.

Rosie..she might have figured that the parents adopting Gabriel would have their own crib or baby items..
If she was planning on bolting and just keep running with Gabriel, she would have taken the portable crib then wouldn't she? otherwise what would he have slept in? that is troubling...the whole disappearance is troubling..the fact that she clammed up and is acting so smug and calm...as someone else said, reminds me of Casey Anthony... ::MonkeyNoNo::
I can't believe I'm even saying this, but Elizabeth's demeanor, her actions, and her words, are even more disturbing to me then Caseys.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: cookie on January 12, 2010, 10:32:05 AM
Gabriel's collapsible crib was hastily tossed in her shed upside down, indicating she knew she wouldn't need it.  ::MonkeyNoNo::It's statements like this that has me feeling that Gabriel is deceased, if she was planning on adopting the baby or handing the baby over to someone, at least I would think you would want to hand over his belongings, not toss them or give them away.

Rosie..she might have figured that the parents adopting Gabriel would have their own crib or baby items..
If she was planning on bolting and just keep running with Gabriel, she would have taken the portable crib then wouldn't she? otherwise what would he have slept in? that is troubling...the whole disappearance is troubling..the fact that she clammed up and is acting so smug and calm...as someone else said, reminds me of Casey Anthony... ::MonkeyNoNo::
I can't believe I'm even saying this, but Elizabeth's demeanor, her actions, and her words, are even more disturbing to me then Caseys.

would we have ever thought that possible?


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: no rose colored glasses on January 12, 2010, 10:33:34 AM
Gabriel's collapsible crib was hastily tossed in her shed upside down, indicating she knew she wouldn't need it.  ::MonkeyNoNo::It's statements like this that has me feeling that Gabriel is deceased, if she was planning on adopting the baby or handing the baby over to someone, at least I would think you would want to hand over his belongings, not toss them or give them away.

Rosie..she might have figured that the parents adopting Gabriel would have their own crib or baby items..
If she was planning on bolting and just keep running with Gabriel, she would have taken the portable crib then wouldn't she? otherwise what would he have slept in? that is troubling...the whole disappearance is troubling..the fact that she clammed up and is acting so smug and calm...as someone else said, reminds me of Casey Anthony... ::MonkeyNoNo::
I can't believe I'm even saying this, but Elizabeth's demeanor, her actions, and her words, are even more disturbing to me then Caseys.

would we have ever thought that possible?
No, that is why I'm really upset, and don't think this will have a good outcome  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 12, 2010, 11:42:25 AM
From FB

Will you take another polygraph like that lady suggest on Nancy Grace?

Tammi Peters Smith Absolutely! I already called the detective and told her that, right outside the doors of the studio with all of the Media there!


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: no rose colored glasses on January 12, 2010, 11:55:29 AM
From FB

Will you take another polygraph like that lady suggest on Nancy Grace?

Tammi Peters Smith Absolutely! I already called the detective and told her that, right outside the doors of the studio with all of the Media there!
   ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: lillyfinn on January 12, 2010, 11:58:26 AM
I believe the birthdate you may be thinking of is the one listed on the tammi-smith.katrina.aid page where she lists her DOB as 03 12 1972. Then there's another page she has listed kieth-facio.katrina.aidpages.com as looking for her husband. both of these were published in Sept. 15 2005 originally from wecaretexas.com (?)

The thing about the court record for her practicing without a medical license in TN, from my last post relates to the following charge of Implied Consent.  That is, a doctor can not treat you for a condition without explaining all your options, the possible things that may go wrong, etc. For example: giving you a new medication. A doctor can not just hand you a perscription without first explaining benefits or possible side effects. 

Below this is the complete record, she is the same person:

Tammi Fay Peters Smith is Tammy Faye Smith

Please read and let me know. I know on myspace, facebook, etc. and all the social websites you can really be or create a person you want people to think you are. There are many kids under the legal age creating pages and protraying themselves as older. Why not create an identity of someone younger, with older photos, it would help your business. (Related Comment: the photo of Tammy on her website healingwateraz does not look anything like she did on TV the other day.)

I do not not belong to any of those social websites. When I google and they are listed I click and get to see a page. I know too there are lots of real people there I have nothing against either site, I just don't use them.

Do you have Jackie Don Smith's birthdate? I may have found a record on him.

I also found that Donald Robert Johnson had a Domestic Relations case with Elizabeth A. Johnson in 1991, appears to be a divorce (must be Grandma to Elizabeth Joanne Johnson) This is found at the site in AZ where the current cases are. The case number is: DR1991-016901 I didn't copy the webpage URl.

 

http://ccc.nashville.gov/portal/pls/portal/PORTAL.ORCDYNAMICPAGEDETAILS.show?p_arg_names=a1&p_arg_values=SMITH|TAMMY|03041968

Record Check Search Criteria: Smith , Tammy -- D.O.B.: 04-MAR-68
Nashville, Davidson County, Tennessee - Criminal Court Clerk   
 

Date of Report: 12-JAN-10

CJIS DATA
Case Details:
Name: Smith, Tammy  Faye  Date of Birth: 04-MAR-68
Disposition:   Disposition Date:
Case Type: GS  Case Number: GS423718  Citation/Arrest Date: 15-FEB-09  Case Status: CLOSED-BO
Charged Offense: DUI-2nd Off.  Convicted Offense:    Convicted Type (F/M):
 
Concurrent with:Consecutive to: 
Appearance Details:
Date: 11-AUG-09 Judge: Holt, Aaron  Court Room: Birch Bldg, Court Room 4B
Attorney: Caldwell, Ryan Craig Reason:Trial 
Incarceration:
Location: Years:Months:Days:Hours:Percentage:
Suspend All But:SAB%:Day for Day?:Hour for Hour?:Report Date:
Suspend?:No Work Default?:Work Release?:Work Release %:No Early Release?:
Time Served Credit: Months:Days:Hours:
Incarceration Special Condition: 
Court Costs:
Court Costs: $.00Court Fines: $.00Total Owed: $.00
Fines Special Condition: 
Probation:
Type: Years:Months:Days:
Probation Special Condition: 
Restitution:
$.00
Notes: 

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
 
Case Details:
Name: Smith, Tammy  Faye  Date of Birth: 04-MAR-68
Disposition:   Disposition Date:
Case Type: GS  Case Number: GS423719  Citation/Arrest Date: 15-FEB-09  Case Status: CLOSED-BO
Charged Offense: Implied Consent  Convicted Offense:    Convicted Type (F/M):
 
Concurrent with:Consecutive to: 
Appearance Details:
Date: 11-AUG-09 Judge: Holt, Aaron  Court Room: Birch Bldg, Court Room 4B
Attorney: Caldwell, Ryan Craig Reason:Trial 
Incarceration:
Location: Years:Months:Days:Hours:Percentage:
Suspend All But:SAB%:Day for Day?:Hour for Hour?:Report Date:
Suspend?:No Work Default?:Work Release?:Work Release %:No Early Release?:
Time Served Credit: Months:Days:Hours:
Incarceration Special Condition: 
Court Costs:
Court Costs: $.00Court Fines: $.00Total Owed: $.00
Fines Special Condition: 
Probation:
Type: Years:Months:Days:
Probation Special Condition: 
Restitution:
$.00
Notes: 


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: lillyfinn on January 12, 2010, 12:12:27 PM
Having an inconclusive polygraph results does not mean they were telling the truth. It means they are telling half-truths.

Simple example: Did you take the crackers from the cupboard?

Your answer is no, because you did not take the crackers. However you know who took the crackers. The result will come in the "almost yes" area but not quite. So inconclusive.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 12, 2010, 12:23:22 PM

<snipped>

Another interesting fact from her myspace is before the baby was born, she knew it was a boy and had already gave him the name Gabriel. (Relating this to the fact of Tammi Smith having a daughter named Gabrielle, coincidence?)

<snipped>
 

lillyfinn

Could it be the Tammi and Elizabeth connection have been established prior to Gabriel's birth.  My thoughts reflect your thoughts on the issue of the name Gabriel.

Janet

++++++

Does anybody think that Tammi's daughter's name if Gabrielle and ... Elizabeth Johnson's son is named Gabriel goes beyond a coincidence?

In the past ten years there appears to be a trend in our church for parents to afford their babies Biblical names.  We have Hannahs, Marys, Sarahs, Ruths, Calebs, Joshuas, Noahs, Isaiahs along with the traditional/popular names.  However ... not one Gabriel or Gabriella.

Janet


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Tracygirl on January 12, 2010, 12:43:16 PM
Isn't it true that you cannot take more then one poly on a particular set of questions? I think I read that posted somewhere on one of these many threads..

I just don't see how the plan could have worked out if the smiths are behind this? How would they get the baby back to live with them after all of this? Surely everyone is going to know if he is returned to them. Tammi posted that they welcomed a new baby into their home, their daughter now has a brother, etc...Either they have the baby hiding in some secret room in their home or their original plan of adopting this baby fell through. But where is the cry out for this child they wished to adopt and say they loved? Why are they not breaking down in tears in fear the baby is dead or possibly in danger with the strangers he is said to be with? They loved this baby supposedly, they took care of him, they wanted to be his parents. As I watch them I see no visual signs of distraught, nothing. They could be talking about a lost necklace. It just don't seem like a normal reaction to me. In many ways they have that same reaction that EJ has, they are relieved because it is the ending they wanted.

I found it very interesting the park EJ used as the place she says  she met the adoptive couple is the same park used by the adoption agency to hold events. Did she learn of the event to be held in April and it gave her the idea of said park? I don't think she is that smart or has developed a very detailed plan, she was acting out of desperation.  I think she knew of this adoption agency and may have mentioned it, I think that is why the grandfather said in the interview, "I don't know why she went to Texas, why not Los Angeles" they have an office in Los Angeles as well as San Antonio.

Remember Tammi saying EJ told her she found an underground adoption alternative that was helping her with diapers and formula? Where did she get that idea from?



Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 12, 2010, 12:43:37 PM
Having an inconclusive polygraph results does not mean they were telling the truth. It means they are telling half-truths.

Simple example: Did you take the crackers from the cupboard?

Your answer is no, because you did not take the crackers. However you know who took the crackers. The result will come in the "almost yes" area but not quite. So inconclusive.

Considering the Smiths are willing to once again be subjected to a polygraph  ... I am somewhat conflicted on whether they do know what happened to Gabriel once Elizabeth took him out of their home.

Could it be that Elizabeth realized that without Logan signing those papers the Smith would never be able to adopt Gabriel so ... while her son spent time in the Smiths' home ... she was making other plans?

Could it be that other than desperately attempting to get her to bring Gabriel back to them and pursuading her to contact Janet Morris ... the Smiths were in the dark to what Elizabeth was up to in regards to her baby.

I am not condoning Tammi and Jack Smith.  These two are despicable.  They were determined to bring Gabriel into their family by taking advantage of an obviously unstable Elizabeth.  They were willing to deprive a father of his son through deceptive but ....

Janet


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 12, 2010, 12:47:18 PM
TAMMI AND JACK SMITH

NANCY GRACE
New Developments in Missing Baby Gabriel Case
Aired January 6, 2010 - 20:00:00   ET


UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Tammi says months went by then last month she received a call from Elizabeth.

T. SMITH: She finally called and said, are you ready to adopt him?

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: The two parties signed legal guardianship papers and Gabriel moved in with the Smiths.

JACK SMITH, PLANNED TO ADOPT BABY GABRIEL: We fell in love with him.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: But the baby`s dad wouldn`t sign guardianship or adoption papers. Still, Gabriel quickly became part of the Smith family, visiting Santa, playing with 4-year-old Hannah.

Then, December 18th, Elizabeth picked up her son to visit his father. Little did the Smiths know, the two were taking off to San Antonio.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1001/06/ng.01.html


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: mymonkey on January 12, 2010, 12:56:17 PM
Hey guys, check this out and see if this looks like Gabriel to you guys.
http://www.facebook.com/people/Tammi-Peters-Smith/1585061919#/gabrielle.facio?ref=mf



SusieQ, I know lol, I have gone through everyone of them about 10 times

Is it just a coincidence that her daughters name is Gabrielle and EJ's babys name is Gabriel...what a fluke that is ::MonkeyEek::


Bump.


I was thinking this also a few days ago....also I think Tammi has known EJ much longer than what has been told.

EJ  mentioned when she was out of the country to Logan  thats when she would tell him where Gabriel was...I really feel like Gabriel "if " he is alive is out of the country.Liars like to add a little truth to their stories makes them not feel guilty for lying. I was married to the  ace of liars I know their methods. ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 12, 2010, 01:01:43 PM
3 pages, worth a read

Missing Baby Gabriel Johnson; Tammi Peters Smith: Surrogate Moms, & Baby Brokers

Tammi Fay Peters Smith is a 'person of interest' in the disappearance case of eight-month-old Gabriel Johnson. Her profession is Advanced Certified Colon Hydro-therapist for her company Healing Waters Health and Wellness Clinic. Tammi and her husband Jack Smith have one adopted daughter, Hannah Grace, who is four-and-a-half years old and may have once belonged to a certain family member of Jack's. Jack told CNN, "We— you know, we got Hannah in our house at four months old and the adoption wasn't final until two— until she was two."

The Smiths each have children from previous marriages. Tammi lost custody of her three offspring to the father and his new wife. She said in an Internet post, "As all I ever wanted since I was a little girl was to have lots of kids to love. I am so happy to have all 4 kids in my life as well as all my kids in Africa." The '4 kids' refer to her adopted daughter and her purported reconnection with her three older children. 'My kids in Africa' refers to her work with Children Without a Voice USA. Tammi promised to tell the full story in a book called The Silenced. It is not yet published and perhaps is not yet finished.

The Smiths had used to reside in Nashville, Tennessee where numerous sightings of baby Gabriel Johnson have been reported since some time after December 27, 2009 when he was reported missing. Jack Smith lived there for about thirty-five years and has close family there, including two sons. He is said to have played steel guitar for country music star Bill Anderson. Tammi lived in Nashville for about ten or twelve years.

MORE...

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/2581663/missing_baby_gabriel_johnson_tammi.html?cat=41


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Tracygirl on January 12, 2010, 01:03:09 PM
TAMMI AND JACK SMITH

NANCY GRACE
New Developments in Missing Baby Gabriel Case
Aired January 6, 2010 - 20:00:00   ET


UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Tammi says months went by then last month she received a call from Elizabeth.

T. SMITH: She finally called and said, are you ready to adopt him?

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: The two parties signed legal guardianship papers and Gabriel moved in with the Smiths.

JACK SMITH, PLANNED TO ADOPT BABY GABRIEL: We fell in love with him.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: But the baby`s dad wouldn`t sign guardianship or adoption papers. Still, Gabriel quickly became part of the Smith family, visiting Santa, playing with 4-year-old Hannah.

Then, December 18th, Elizabeth picked up her son to visit his father. Little did the Smiths know, the two were taking off to San Antonio.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1001/06/ng.01.html

See now this is my point. They say they loved the child, they wanted him to be their son why are they not besides themselves with anger, grief, worry? They seem rather calm to me.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Miki Monkey on January 12, 2010, 01:03:39 PM
TAMMI AND JACK SMITH

NANCY GRACE
New Developments in Missing Baby Gabriel Case
Aired January 6, 2010 - 20:00:00   ET


UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Tammi says months went by then last month she received a call from Elizabeth.

T. SMITH: She finally called and said, are you ready to adopt him?

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: The two parties signed legal guardianship papers and Gabriel moved in with the Smiths.

JACK SMITH, PLANNED TO ADOPT BABY GABRIEL: We fell in love with him.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: But the baby`s dad wouldn`t sign guardianship or adoption papers. Still, Gabriel quickly became part of the Smith family, visiting Santa, playing with 4-year-old Hannah.

Then, December 18th, Elizabeth picked up her son to visit his father. Little did the Smiths know, the two were taking off to San Antonio.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1001/06/ng.01.html

Hmm...I'm confused, didn't the Smiths say this so called mother wouldn't have anything to do with the father of her child, so how come she was picking the child up to go and visit him? I wonder if the Smiths gave her money to "get away".

I think the Smiths said that Lizzie's (mommy) idea was to "run and keep on running" but then I thought they said.....they were visiting the daddy. They are not being completely truthful or they are just enjoying their 15 mins and will say anything to be in front of a camera.

Good afternoon Monkeys  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Tracygirl on January 12, 2010, 01:17:27 PM
Yea I think you are on to something MikiMonkey, about helping her get away.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: leslee on January 12, 2010, 01:23:47 PM
Hey guys, check this out and see if this looks like Gabriel to you guys.
http://www.facebook.com/people/Tammi-Peters-Smith/1585061919#/gabrielle.facio?ref=mf



SusieQ, I know lol, I have gone through everyone of them about 10 times

Is it just a coincidence that her daughters name is Gabrielle and EJ's babys name is Gabriel...what a fluke that is ::MonkeyEek::


Bump.


I was thinking this also a few days ago....also I think Tammi has known EJ much longer than what has been told.

EJ  mentioned when she was out of the country to Logan  thats when she would tell him where Gabriel was...I really feel like Gabriel "if " he is alive is out of the country.Liars like to add a little truth to their stories makes them not feel guilty for lying. I was married to the  ace of liars I know their methods. ::MonkeyCool::

I agree Mymonkey.... I think EJ and TS could have formed a relationship via the net. I just never believed the airport story. TS and JS also say they know EJ for a few weeks yet they met at an airport several months ago ::MonkeyEek:: That right there is deceptive, it tells me that they want to conceal how they initially "met". I think that is probably online and they may have physically met her in early December but not in a "she showed up at our doorstep kind of way", I think it was all arranged. I wonder if EJ named other potential fathers in her custody case thinking maybe Logan would back off and relinquish rights ( a lot of men do not want to raise others kids, particularly alone). The Smiths were set to take Gabriel but the pat test proved that Logan was the baby daddy and wouldn't relinquish. This infuriated EJ, it was the "breaking point", Logan was ruining her life and whatever plans she had for it. She may have asked the Smiths for help in the underground as a ploy to make them think she was going to adopt him out, therefore they wouldn't be suspicious and she wouldn't look so vile. In reality she just killed him because it was "easier" that way for her to know that Logan would never be able to have him again. Once again spite wins out in a purely evil way.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: darla on January 12, 2010, 01:52:43 PM
Good Afternoon Monkeys and Guest.
Trying to get caught up. Did Anyone get a chance to look up Nicki Blank? She is Jack's daughter, the mother of Hannah.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 12, 2010, 01:53:52 PM
Having an inconclusive polygraph results does not mean they were telling the truth. It means they are telling half-truths.

Simple example: Did you take the crackers from the cupboard?

Your answer is no, because you did not take the crackers. However you know who took the crackers. The result will come in the "almost yes" area but not quite. So inconclusive.

Considering there are two persons of interest are willing agreeing to be polygraphed for a second time rather than obtaining an attorney who would advise them to "shut up" ... consider the professionals are trained in the questioning technics in regards to polygraph questionings ... I am now inclined to believe that the Smiths' involvement regarding any of the deceptive happenings encompassing Gabriel ended when Elizabeth took that precious  baby from their home.

In my opinion ... these two would be crazy to volunteer to be polygraphed otherwise.  Hey ... maybe they are.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Janet
 


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 12, 2010, 02:09:36 PM
I believe the birthdate you may be thinking of is the one listed on the tammi-smith.katrina.aid page where she lists her DOB as 03 12 1972. Then there's another page she has listed kieth-facio.katrina.aidpages.com as looking for her husband. both of these were published in Sept. 15 2005 originally from wecaretexas.com (?)

The thing about the court record for her practicing without a medical license in TN, from my last post relates to the following charge of Implied Consent.  That is, a doctor can not treat you for a condition without explaining all your options, the possible things that may go wrong, etc. For example: giving you a new medication. A doctor can not just hand you a perscription without first explaining benefits or possible side effects. 

Below this is the complete record, she is the same person:

Tammi Fay Peters Smith is Tammy Faye Smith

Please read and let me know. I know on myspace, facebook, etc. and all the social websites you can really be or create a person you want people to think you are. There are many kids under the legal age creating pages and protraying themselves as older. Why not create an identity of someone younger, with older photos, it would help your business. (Related Comment: the photo of Tammy on her website healingwateraz does not look anything like she did on TV the other day.)

I do not not belong to any of those social websites. When I google and they are listed I click and get to see a page. I know too there are lots of real people there I have nothing against either site, I just don't use them.

Do you have Jackie Don Smith's birthdate? I may have found a record on him.

I also found that Donald Robert Johnson had a Domestic Relations case with Elizabeth A. Johnson in 1991, appears to be a divorce (must be Grandma to Elizabeth Joanne Johnson) This is found at the site in AZ where the current cases are. The case number is: DR1991-016901 I didn't copy the webpage URl.

 

http://ccc.nashville.gov/portal/pls/portal/PORTAL.ORCDYNAMICPAGEDETAILS.show?p_arg_names=a1&p_arg_values=SMITH|TAMMY|03041968

Record Check Search Criteria: Smith , Tammy -- D.O.B.: 04-MAR-68
Nashville, Davidson County, Tennessee - Criminal Court Clerk   
 

Date of Report: 12-JAN-10

CJIS DATA
Case Details:
Name: Smith, Tammy  Faye  Date of Birth: 04-MAR-68
Disposition:   Disposition Date:
Case Type: GS  Case Number: GS423718  Citation/Arrest Date: 15-FEB-09  Case Status: CLOSED-BO
Charged Offense: DUI-2nd Off.  Convicted Offense:    Convicted Type (F/M):
 
Concurrent with:Consecutive to: 
Appearance Details:
Date: 11-AUG-09 Judge: Holt, Aaron  Court Room: Birch Bldg, Court Room 4B
Attorney: Caldwell, Ryan Craig Reason:Trial 
Incarceration:
Location: Years:Months:Days:Hours:Percentage:
Suspend All But:SAB%:Day for Day?:Hour for Hour?:Report Date:
Suspend?:No Work Default?:Work Release?:Work Release %:No Early Release?:
Time Served Credit: Months:Days:Hours:
Incarceration Special Condition: 
Court Costs:
Court Costs: $.00Court Fines: $.00Total Owed: $.00
Fines Special Condition: 
Probation:
Type: Years:Months:Days:
Probation Special Condition: 
Restitution:
$.00
Notes: 

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
 
Case Details:
Name: Smith, Tammy  Faye  Date of Birth: 04-MAR-68
Disposition:   Disposition Date:
Case Type: GS  Case Number: GS423719  Citation/Arrest Date: 15-FEB-09  Case Status: CLOSED-BO
Charged Offense: Implied Consent  Convicted Offense:    Convicted Type (F/M):
 
Concurrent with:Consecutive to: 
Appearance Details:
Date: 11-AUG-09 Judge: Holt, Aaron  Court Room: Birch Bldg, Court Room 4B
Attorney: Caldwell, Ryan Craig Reason:Trial 
Incarceration:
Location: Years:Months:Days:Hours:Percentage:
Suspend All But:SAB%:Day for Day?:Hour for Hour?:Report Date:
Suspend?:No Work Default?:Work Release?:Work Release %:No Early Release?:
Time Served Credit: Months:Days:Hours:
Incarceration Special Condition: 
Court Costs:
Court Costs: $.00Court Fines: $.00Total Owed: $.00
Fines Special Condition: 
Probation:
Type: Years:Months:Days:
Probation Special Condition: 
Restitution:
$.00
Notes: 


She has her DOB as 03 12 1972 on FB as well as another site that she has now deleted.  The record you pulled could be her but I have not seen her on any of the sites spell her name as Tammy, it is always Tammi so would lean towards it not being her. 


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 12, 2010, 02:17:06 PM
Good Afternoon Monkeys and Guest.
Trying to get caught up. Did Anyone get a chance to look up Nicki Blank? She is Jack's daughter, the mother of Hannah.

This is as far as I got:

M-0741-3961723  NICOLE SMITH BLANK  DEFENDANT  08/1972  PHOENIX, AZ  Phoenix Municipal 
Case Number: M-0741-3961723   
Title: St of Az vs BLANK Category: Traffic 
Court: Phoenix Municipal Filing Date: 03/03/2009
Judge: UNKNOWN Disposition Date: 03/10/2009
 
NICOLE SMITH BLANK    DEFENDANT  -  D 1  Date of Birth: 08/1972
Citation Count Description Disp. Date Disposition
PPD13535089  1  DUI-IMPAIRED TO SLIGHTEST DEGREE  12/16/2009  JDGMT GUILTY/RESP SENT IMPOSED 
PMC124985  1  VIOLATION OF PROMISE TO APPEAR  03/29/2009  COMPL DISMISSED BY COURT 
PPD13535089  2  DUI-ALCOHOL CONCENTRATION > .08  12/16/2009  COMPL DISMISSED BY COURT 
PPD13535089  3  EXTREME DUI W/BAC OF .15 to <.20  12/16/2009  COMPL DISMISSED BY COURT 
PPD13535089  4  EXTREME DUI W/BAC OF.20 OR MORE  12/16/2009  JDGMT GUILTY/RESP SENT IMPOSED 
 
 

M-0741-3975229  NICOLE SMITH BLANK  DEFENDANT  08/1972  PHOENIX, AZ  Phoenix Municipal 
Case Number: M-0741-3975229   
Title: St of Az vs BLANK Category: Criminal 
Court: Phoenix Municipal Filing Date: 03/29/2009
Judge: UNKNOWN Disposition Date: 03/30/2009
 
NICOLE SMITH BLANK    DEFENDANT  -  D 1  Date of Birth: 08/1972
Citation Count Description Disp. Date Disposition
PPD13924800  1  SHOPLIFTING <$1000- CONCEALMENT  03/29/2009  COMPL DISMISSED BY COURT 
 
http://apps.supremecourt.az.gov/publicaccess/caselookup.aspx
 



Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: klaasend on January 12, 2010, 02:17:42 PM
Also, doesn't Tammi use Fay and not Faye?


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 12, 2010, 02:43:48 PM
Also, doesn't Tammi use Fay and not Faye?

Yes


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 12, 2010, 02:44:59 PM
Couple: Baby Gabriel's Mom 'Duped' Us
Tammi, Jack Smith Still Persons of Interest In Gabriel Johnson Disapearance

TEMPE, Ariz. -- A couple that planned to adopt the missing child dubbed "Baby Gabriel" now says they might have been "duped" by the mother of the baby.

Elizabeth Johnson is currently in a Maricopa County jail as authorities search for her 8-month old son, Gabriel.

Whether Johnson researched Tammi and Jack Smith as potential adoptive parents for her son Gabriel is unclear, but knowing their histories, she probably couldn't have picked a better couple in which to spin her tale of woe.

Tammi Smith said her former husband abused her and after several years of fighting, she lost custody of her three daughters. Jack Smith also put up a fight for custody of his granddaughter, Hannah, from her biological father.

The Smiths admitted they saw their own heartbreak in Johnson's tearful blue eyes and believed every word.

"You know what? Maybe we were duped," said Jack Smith on Monday.

MORE...

http://www.kpho.com/news/22213153/detail.html


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 12, 2010, 02:51:38 PM
"Because it's not a truth detector, it's a lie detector. I did not lie, and so that's why it came back inconclusive."   ::MonkeyConfused::   ::MonkeyConfused::

http://www.kpho.com/news/22197770/detail.html


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: no rose colored glasses on January 12, 2010, 02:53:01 PM
"Because it's not a truth detector, it's a lie detector. I did not lie, and so that's why it came back inconclusive."   ::MonkeyConfused::   ::MonkeyConfused::

http://www.kpho.com/news/22197770/detail.html
Unbelievable, and now they have been duped  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: SloSthrnStyle on January 12, 2010, 03:12:13 PM
G'afternoon Monkeys,

I dont know if anyone has mentioned this, and I watched the last couple of times that the Smiths were on NG , how Tammi, kept putting her hand toward her husbands leg, when he was speaking, almost as to say "shhhh"  then she would pipe in....Ive rewatched the interviews.....maybe Im just reading something into it....but I could almost swear that is what she was doing.  Ive not watched the interviews on fox with them, that Tammi kept mentioning they did.  I get an almost uneasy feeling bout her....Almost dominate over him like Cindy was of George, till he "conformed".


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: darla on January 12, 2010, 03:14:50 PM
Every  day that goes by without Gabriel being found leads me to believe she carried out the threat and Gabriel is with God. I have gone back and listened to the recording from the news interview and her court appearance. She is colder than Casey and I thought that was impossible . I feel the same as Klaas that with all the news coverage and FBI involvement, If someone had Gabriel they would have come forward by now.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: darla on January 12, 2010, 03:16:26 PM
G'afternoon Monkeys,

I dont know if anyone has mentioned this, and I watched the last couple of times that the Smiths were on NG , how Tammi, kept putting her hand toward her husbands leg, when he was speaking, almost as to say "shhhh"  then she would pipe in....Ive rewatched the interviews.....maybe Im just reading something into it....but I could almost swear that is what she was doing.  Ive not watched the interviews on fox with them, that Tammi kept mentioning they did.  I get an almost uneasy feeling bout her....Almost dominate over him like Cindy was of George, till he "conformed".
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We have all thought the same thing.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: no rose colored glasses on January 12, 2010, 03:16:41 PM
G'afternoon Monkeys,

I dont know if anyone has mentioned this, and I watched the last couple of times that the Smiths were on NG , how Tammi, kept putting her hand toward her husbands leg, when he was speaking, almost as to say "shhhh"  then she would pipe in....Ive rewatched the interviews.....maybe Im just reading something into it....but I could almost swear that is what she was doing.  Ive not watched the interviews on fox with them, that Tammi kept mentioning they did.  I get an almost uneasy feeling bout her....Almost dominate over him like Cindy was of George, till he "conformed".
That is exactly what I saw also, either she is afraid of what her husband may say, or she wants to control the entire conversation. She is just eating up all this attention, probably the most attention she has ever gotten in her life.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: no rose colored glasses on January 12, 2010, 03:19:10 PM
Every  day that goes by without Gabriel being found leads me to believe she carried out the threat and Gabriel is with God. I have gone back and listened to the recording from the news interview and her court appearance. She is colder than Casey and I thought that was impossible . I feel the same as Klaas that with all the news coverage and FBI involvement, If someone had Gabriel they would have come forward by now.
I said earlier, she actually scares me more then Casey. I also believe someone would have come forward by now, the only way I see that not happening is that who ever she sold the baby to, had very bad intentions for him, and could be out of the country by now.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: SloSthrnStyle on January 12, 2010, 03:31:21 PM
Every  day that goes by without Gabriel being found leads me to believe she carried out the threat and Gabriel is with God. I have gone back and listened to the recording from the news interview and her court appearance. She is colder than Casey and I thought that was impossible . I feel the same as Klaas that with all the news coverage and FBI involvement, If someone had Gabriel they would have come forward by now.
I said earlier, she actually scares me more then Casey. I also believe someone would have come forward by now, the only way I see that not happening is that who ever she sold the baby to, had very bad intentions for him, and could be out of the country by now.


With all the talk about human trafficking these days and what people will do to get a child NOTHING would surprise me.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 12, 2010, 03:48:20 PM
Mom Sends Chilling Murder Message
She says she killed their son and left him for dead in a Dumpster. But the father of 8-month-old Gabriel Johnson refuses to believe his son is dead and continues his relentless search to find his little boy.


http://www.amw.com/missing_children/brief.cfm?id=70649


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: darla on January 12, 2010, 04:34:39 PM
Hope you guys have a good afternoon. Have to leave for visitation in about 45 minutes. I will catch up with you guys later tonight.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Edward on January 12, 2010, 04:50:23 PM
Mom Sends Chilling Murder Message
She says she killed their son and left him for dead in a Dumpster. But the father of 8-month-old Gabriel Johnson refuses to believe his son is dead and continues his relentless search to find his little boy.


http://www.amw.com/missing_children/brief.cfm?id=70649

She could be telling the truth ?


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: SuzieQ on January 12, 2010, 05:12:26 PM
http://www.myspace.com/nickiblank

Nicki Blank's Myspace.  She lists her age as 37. Could that be right?


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: lillyfinn on January 12, 2010, 05:20:24 PM
I put together this timeline. If anyone wants to copy it and update please do. I tried to state facts and tried not to add my opinion on it. I did add some questions.  I did leave off things like the Victoria ping as it was later recanted as not valid. 

July 2009 In the July incident, McQueary told police she tore a part a baby crib, took a knife and cut up baby clothes, McQueary’s clothes, the couch and smashed windows of the apartment and a television set. Logan filed an order for protection but dropped it as he and Elizabeth were "working things out."

 
December 2009
 
Tuesday 8th  Logan and Elizabeth lived together at the Rancho Tempe mobile home park
                       Broke up and Logan moved out per Elizabeth's request, they had lived together for two years
                       Last time Logan saw his son
 
Wednesday 9th    Elizabeth Johnson, left her son, Gabriel with Tammi and Jack Smith, but made a complaint to police that Logan had taken Gabriel. He was at the Smiths home for at least 6 hours. (Using the craigslist ad to cover for the Smiths involvement (?), as they more that likely came up with a plan to make Logan look like a bad parent.) Elizabeth placed an ad on craigslist seeking a nanny to take the baby, this was included on a police report.
Elizabeth called him at work and told him to sign over his parental rights to a couple (the Smiths) who wanted to adopt the baby. He refused to sign.
The Smiths have temporary guardianship papers that have not been properly filed with the court.
 
Thursday 10th
 
 
Friday 11th    Logan filed court papers (Family Court with children) Included information in the court document that Elizabeth has said several times in the past she doesn’t want the baby, has yelled and screamed at him when I would go to work, I would put him in his room, and when I would come back five hours later, he would still be in the room with no changed diaper and crying. I would ask her what she was doing, and she would just yell at me and say "shut that thing up."
 
Another incident that was included in the court papers was when Elizabeth hid the boy and accused Logan of taking him. At least 6 hours later police discovered Gabriel at the home of Tammy Faye and Jackie Don Smith.
 
Saturday 12th    Listed on Craigslist "free baby clothes and things, please call no email, phone calls only." Sold her dogs and rented a room out in their (Logan and Elizabeth's mobile home) Elizabeth uses craigslist a LOT.
 
 
Sunday 13th
 
 
Monday 14th Elizabeth served court papers filed by Logan
 
Tuesday 15th
 
Wednesday 16th
 
 
Thursday 17th   First Court date and appearance by Elizabeth and Logan (from his filing of the 11th)
 
Friday 18th   Elizabeth went to her Grandfather's Donald Robert Johnson to borrow his 1995 white Olds. When he asked why she needed it she said, "Take care of Business."  Carbajal said Johnson left Arizona with her 8-month-old son Gabriel on December 18.  "She had this cockamamie idea that she was going to change her Social Security number and name and his Social Security number and name and run forever," said Bob Johnson, Elizabeth's Grandfather.
 
Saturday 19th
 
Sunday 20th
 
 
Monday 21st
 
Tuesday 22nd Believed that Elizabeth arrived in San Antonio TX with her son Gabriel and checked into the Homegate Studios and Suites 1121 San Pedro Ave, San Antonio, TX (located on the northside near Expressway 281) She and Gabriel stayed there an unknown number of days. As she then checked into the Quality Inn and Suites Fiesta Park, 10950 Laureate Drive (near Interstate 10). This was the last Hotel /motel she was known to have been registered at. (How did Elizabeth pay for or what / whose credit card was used at these two hotels?)
 
Wednesday 23rd
 
Thursday 24th
 
Friday 25th
 
Saturday 26th Gabriel last seen with Elizabeth at Raymond Russell Park 20644 Interstate 10 West, San Antonio, TX. The park. From photos the park appears to have one entrance / exist with walls on each side of it. There are three pavilions and kitchens that can be rented out. A fairly large park that people would have to drive into to visit. 
 
Adjacent to the park is the Mission Burial Park North, 20900 Interstate 10 West, that consists of about 63 acres. (If she did lose control, and made good her threat to kill the baby, then this is one place nobody would think of looking. I know very sad to think of this happening.)
 
 Police have witness reports that Gabriel was alive and with his mother in San Antonio on Dec. 26 at one or both of two hotels: Home Gate Studio and Suites, and Quality Inn Fiesta Park. She never formally checked out of either hotel but was scheduled to do so on the 27th. 
 
Sunday 27th
 
Elizabeth called and text messaged Logan and told him she had killed the baby and left its body in a dumpster inside a baby bag. (Tammy Smith said that immediately after she had done this she texted them that the she did not harm the baby. How would the Smiths have known Logan got the calls and texts? He is not in contact with the Smiths)
 
Logan reported threats made by Elizabeth towards their son. Police begin search for Elizabeth and Gabriel.
 
Logan was aware Johnson was out of town with Gabriel, his concern for his son's safety began when he received threats against the boy from Johnson, according to Tempe Police Sgt. Steve Carbajal.
 
Johnson was violent before and that Child Protective Services has an open case against Johnson to investigate alleged neglect.
 
Elizabeth told his biological father using her cell phone and text messages that she killed their son.
 
She contacted Logan, by cell that Gabriel was “dead and blue colored” and that she put him in a bag and dropped him in dumpster. She told her boyfriend she was leaving the country and would tell him where the body was when she was gone, according to the document.
 
(“He had ruined my life,” Johnson said. “He hurt me and I wanted to hurt him and that was the only thing I could say that would hurt him.” Asked whether she’s worried her baby is dead or alive, she said, “No I’m not.”)
 
They approached me and came up to me,” she said. “I was alone with the baby at the park.”
Johnson said she knows little about the couple. She said she doesn’t know their last name, address or phone number.
“I trusted them,” she said. “I believed in my heart they were good people.”
Elizabeth Johnson had not revealed the whereabouts of her baby until now.
 
“They approached me. And, they came up to me. I was out alone with the baby at the park,” she told a reporter from KPHO in Phoenix, Arizona.
“I trusted them. I believe in my heart they’re good people,” she added.
The FBI said “They” is an unknown couple on the south side, (Raymond Russell Park is on the far north, in NW Bexar County, not the south of San Antonio) whom the mom says she met while running away from Tempe, Arizona. Little is known about the man and woman, except a first name, “Cheryl.”
 
But her grandfather doesn't buy it. He tried to envision her scenario.
'Oh by the way, how would you like to have a baby, oh it's free, yeah it's free' -- that's hard Pat, that's hard to really believe, but it's a simple story, it's a story that you can repeat without stumbling," said Bob.
He thinks she gave Gabriel to a family in Texas, and is lying now so the boy will never be found. But she has threatened to harm the child, and Bob wonders if her past and her struggles with self control eventually got the best of her.
"It's possible that in a moment of anger, depression, whatever, that she carried out her threat. I don't even want to think about it because, what a waste. What a waste," said Bob Johnson.
Bob Johnson said he doesn't understand the decision, but says he believes his granddaughter's story. She said she gave her baby to a Texas couple she met while on the run from police.
"It sounded like a pretty weak story, almost on the border of unbelievable, that a person would do that to 8-month-old child," Bob Johnson said.
"I think that she has given the baby to somebody and I think she knows who it is," he said. "I think it's in San Antonio in somebody else's house and she just ain't given it up.
"She has an anger-management problem and she's working on that," Bob Johnson said

 
Still in San Antonio, TX, At 11:45 AM Elizabeth drives into the parking lot of the Motel 6,7950 South Pan Am Expressway, San Antonio, TX She is then seen walking out of the parking lot with a large backpack (what reports had the backpack, more than one?) around noon. (by Motel 6 manager,Hitu Eatel, he also said,  She was alone,” Eatel said. “She could be seen walking out of the parking lot about noon.”Johnson walked toward a bus station across the street, Eatel said.)
Elizabeth goes to the Tornado Bus Station  Interstate 35 S, San Antonio and buys a bus ticket for $180.00 to Fort Lauderdale, FL. She uses the name Elizabeth Jones (Did she have to show a photo ID? If so where did she get it?) The bus leaves at 1:00 PM (what does she do for that hour?) The bus driver states she is the only Caucasian on the bus.
(Tornado Bus Company has locations in: Nashville, TN 2428-A Nolensville, (615)313-8843, 1(866)998-6762 and they also do money wire transfers.)
 
Monday 28th Gabriel's father was awarded sole custody of him when Elizabeth did not show up in court. A nationwide warrant was immediately issued for Elizabeth Johnson.
 
Tuesday 29th Elizabeth left comment on her myspace: Kiss my a## Suckas!!!
 
Wednesday 30th   Elizj86 last log in at her myspace. Arrested Miami Beach FL, at a $25 a night Hostel, around   10:00 PM (EST or Daylight Savings Time ?) "She was confronted, arrested and interviewed exhaustively about the whereabouts of the child," said Wayne Jones, with Miami Beach Police.
 
Thursday 31st Tammy Faye Smith left a message for Elizabeth, "read the message titled Gabriel"
 
Friday 1st
 
 
Saturday 2nd
 
 
Sunday 3rd
 
 
Monday 4th
 
 
Tuesday 5th Authorities find missing car, Donald Johnson's white 1995 Oldsmobile around with  a child car seat still inside it on  7 p.m. Tuesday at a Motel 6 at 7950 South Pan Am Expressway, San Antonio, TX . Elizabeth did not stay at this Motel it was where she left the car to take the bus.
 
 
Wednesday 6th
 
 
Thursday 7th
 
 
Friday 8th  Tammi Smith told CBS5 she knew what the Nashville search was all about. It was the home of a friend of hers, Janet Morris, who she asked to counsel Elizabeth Johnson about what she could face legally if she tried to disappear with Gabriel.
"I called (Elizabeth) and said 'look, you've got to call this girl Janet,' and so Janet basically, she called her and as far as I know, Janet told her the same thing that we've been telling her and begged her to come back. 'And if you don't come back, you could be facing these charges and these charges,'" said Tammi Smith.
Janet Morris, The Adoption Place in Nashville, TN
 
The Smiths take Polygraph tests.
 
 
Saturday 9th
 
Sunday 10th
 
Monday 11th The results of Tammi and Jack Smith's polygraph tests were inconclusive. (They were only telling half-truths.)
 
Tuesday 12th Gabriel Johnson story of being missing is featured on Americas Most Wanted website.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: no rose colored glasses on January 12, 2010, 05:20:47 PM
http://www.myspace.com/nickiblank

Nicki Blank's Myspace.  She lists her age as 37. Could that be right?
Thanks, it could be.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: no rose colored glasses on January 12, 2010, 05:21:44 PM
Thanks lillyfinn, that is great  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: SuzieQ on January 12, 2010, 06:04:24 PM
http://www.myspace.com/nickiblank

Nicki Blank's Myspace.  She lists her age as 37. Could that be right?
Thanks, it could be.


I know it could be if she is Jack's daughter and Hanna's mother. I didn't think Hanna's bio Dad looked that old, but I don't guess he would have to be, lol.
Here is her facebook. Pictures don't look the same, but Jack and Tammi are listed as friends.

 http://www.facebook.com/#/profile.php?v=info&ref=search&id=1377431788


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: CarolF on January 12, 2010, 06:19:51 PM
Thanks lillyfinn that is a lot of information and work you have done on this.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 12, 2010, 08:05:37 PM
Thanks lillyfinn !


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Tracygirl on January 12, 2010, 08:08:36 PM
A truth detector??? Now if you think about it, it would still come back as inconclusive. If they told the truth they would pass, not be in the middle some where. What they need is a 1/2 truth detector, (or a 1/2 lie detector) that one they would pass!

Lillyfinn thank you so much for your run down of events. that Janet person is the same one that helped stripped the parental rights from that one dad? How awful of a thing to do, just awful.



Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: no rose colored glasses on January 12, 2010, 08:13:49 PM
No dogs, no dumpsters, no rewards.........according to NG


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: darla on January 12, 2010, 08:23:20 PM
http://www.myspace.com/nickiblank

Nicki Blank's Myspace.  She lists her age as 37. Could that be right?
Thanks, it could be.



SusieQ, the myspace and Facebook are Nicki and yes she is 37.

Lilly...where did you see the statement that Jack and Tammi got a text message from EJ saying she did not hurt the baby? I have not seen it before.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: no rose colored glasses on January 12, 2010, 08:24:05 PM
Cemetary next to park, just learned on NG


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: my2cents on January 12, 2010, 08:36:50 PM
strange that they have not brought in the dogs???? wonder if Tim Miller will come?


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: no rose colored glasses on January 12, 2010, 08:36:58 PM
GPS was in Elizabeth's car according to NG. Mark Klaas says this is no longer about the couple coming forth, it's now about friends or family noticing a baby that may not have been there before. Thank-you, that is what I keep saying if she handed the baby over to someone, someone has noticed that.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: no rose colored glasses on January 12, 2010, 08:37:30 PM
strange that they have not brought in the dogs???? wonder if Tim Miller will come?
You would think there would be dogs at the park at least.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: no rose colored glasses on January 12, 2010, 08:39:13 PM
NG not too optimistic about the GPS helping anything, said they've had it for awhile, with no new news.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: darla on January 12, 2010, 08:44:53 PM
Thanks NRCG for posting what is said on NG. I appreciate it.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 12, 2010, 08:49:28 PM
Couple: Baby Gabriel's Mom 'Duped' Us
UPDATED: 8:50 am MST January 12, 2010


Even when they knew Johnson was on the run, they put her in contact with Janet Morris, an adoption specialist in Nashville, Tenn.

The FBI searched her house as part of the investigation into Gabriel's disappearance.

According to court documents, Morris was once challenged for allegedly stripping a father of his parental rights without properly notifying him -- exactly what the biological father of Tammi and Jack Smith's adopted daughter, Hannah, says the couple did to him.

"I'll put my hand on any bible in any court in the United States and swear to it," Travis Andrews Warford, Hannah's biological father, told CBS 5 News.

http://www.kpho.com/news/22213153/detail.html



Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: no rose colored glasses on January 12, 2010, 08:56:26 PM
Thanks NRCG for posting what is said on NG. I appreciate it.

Your welcome, Tammi is sure enjoying the attention  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: darla on January 12, 2010, 08:58:13 PM
Thanks NRCG for posting what is said on NG. I appreciate it.

Your welcome, Tammi is sure enjoying the attention  ::MonkeyNoNo::




Were Tammi and Jack on NG again tonight?


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 12, 2010, 08:58:26 PM
NANCY GRACE
Couple Named Persons of Interest in Missing Baby Case
Aired January 7, 2010 - 20:00:00   ET


GRACE: How often did the mom -- mommy, 23-year-old Elizabeth Johnson contact you while she was between Tempe, San Antonio, and Miami Beach?

J. SMITH: Well, between.

T. SMITH: Do you mean once she left?

GRACE: Yes.

J. SMITH: She didn`t contact us any between here and there. We only found out when we did the MySpace thing and found her account and then we.

T. SMITH: And then she texted us that message.

J. SMITH: We text her and all that.

NANCY GRACE, HOST: Now I`ve got that message and it says -- I`ve got it right here. It says, "I am ever worried this e-mail can be traced to where I am, so I probably won`t e-mail again. But I had to let you know, we are all right, because I know you must be worried sick and I am so sorry for that. I really am."  

What was she worried about? Why was she worried about being traced if she had done nothing wrong, Tammi?

T. SMITH: Well, once we did start to talk to her, she said that her plan was to keep running.

GRACE: Running from what?

T. SMITH: Just -- she didn`t want Logan to have the baby and we couldn`t adopt the baby because Logan wouldn`t sign the papers. So her idea was to just keep running forever. And we told her you can`t run forever. They`re going to find you. And that`s all in the documents with all the FBI and all that stuff.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1001/07/ng.01.html
 


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: no rose colored glasses on January 12, 2010, 09:01:16 PM
Thanks NRCG for posting what is said on NG. I appreciate it.

Your welcome, Tammi is sure enjoying the attention  ::MonkeyNoNo::




Were Tammi and Jack on NG again tonight?
Yes


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 12, 2010, 09:07:20 PM
Why did Tammi and Jack Smith not reveal in their interview with Nancy Grace what they revealed later that evening on in their interview with CBS5 in regards to their Nashville connection?

Janet

++++++++ 

NANCY GRACE
Smiths Take Polygraphs in Missing Baby Gabriel Case
Aired January 8, 2010 - 20:00:00   ET


CASAREZ: Now what is your -- to Jack and Tammi Smith, what is your connection with Nashville?

J. SMITH: Well, I was in the music business for about 35 years. So I lived in Nashville for about that long. And then Tammi moved there and we met about 12 years ago and we`ve been together pretty much for the last 10.

CASAREZ: So what was the last time you were in Nashville?

J. SMITH: Last time I was in Nashville was probably about a year and a half ago? Two years ago maybe?

CASAREZ: Do you talk to a lot of people in Nashville?

J. SMITH: My family. My brother`s there. My two sons are there. Yes, after 35 years you do have friends there. Certainly.

CASAREZ: So what do you think about all these tips coming from a place that you used to live in?  

J. SMITH: I have no earthly idea. No earthly idea. Nashville`s a beautiful town.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1001/08/ng.01.html


Tip Had FBI Searching Nashville Home
UPDATED: 6:27 am MST January 9, 2010

NASHVILLE, Tenn. -- FBI agents in Nashville rushed to a home after getting a tip from agents in Miami that missing baby Gabriel Johnson might be there.

Exactly what evidence Elizabeth Johnson offered that led authorities to Nashville is still unclear.

But it was enough to have FBI agents rush to the home in Nashville, a city to which her friends say Elizabeth has never been.

"We went, knocked on the door, and interviewed the occupants and have been unable at this point to locate the child," said FBI Special Agent Keith Moss.

Unfortunately, that search was just the latest in a growing list of dead ends.

But as CBS 5 reported Thursday night, Tammi and Jack Smith, the couple who tried to adopt Gabriel and who have been named as persons of interest in his disappearance, used to live in Nashville.

And late Friday night, Tammi Smith told CBS5 she knew what the Nashville search was all about. It was the home of a friend of hers, Janet Morris, who she asked to counsel Elizabeth Johnson about what she could face legally if she tried to disappear with Gabriel.

"I called (Elizabeth) and said 'look, you've got to call this girl Janet,' and so Janet basically, she called her and as far as I know, Janet told her the same thing that we've been telling her and begged her to come back. 'And if you don't come back, you could be facing these charges and these charges,'" said Tammi Smith.

http://www.kpho.com/news/22190418/detail.html


A NUTSHELL

NANCY GRACE
Smiths Take Polygraphs in Missing Baby Gabriel Case
Aired January 8, 2010 - 20:00:00   ET


PATRICIA SAUNDERS, CLINICAL PSYCHOLOGIST: Well, there are a lot of contradictions in their stories and now I think they`re trying to be do- gooders and make right by this, because a lot of other facts have emerged.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1001/08/ng.01.html



Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: cookie on January 12, 2010, 09:14:23 PM
TAMMI AND JACK SMITH

NANCY GRACE
New Developments in Missing Baby Gabriel Case
Aired January 6, 2010 - 20:00:00   ET


UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Tammi says months went by then last month she received a call from Elizabeth.

T. SMITH: She finally called and said, are you ready to adopt him?

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: The two parties signed legal guardianship papers and Gabriel moved in with the Smiths.

JACK SMITH, PLANNED TO ADOPT BABY GABRIEL: We fell in love with him.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: But the baby`s dad wouldn`t sign guardianship or adoption papers. Still, Gabriel quickly became part of the Smith family, visiting Santa, playing with 4-year-old Hannah.

Then, December 18th, Elizabeth picked up her son to visit his father. Little did the Smiths know, the two were taking off to San Antonio.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1001/06/ng.01.html

See now this is my point. They say they loved the child, they wanted him to be their son why are they not besides themselves with anger, grief, worry? They seem rather calm to me.

agree with you Tracy Girl...good points on your previous post concerning these people. they show no worry of grief at all to me...


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 12, 2010, 09:20:41 PM
It appears that Tammi Smith and Elizabeth Johnson were in constant contact while this young mother was on the run with Gabriel.

Janet

++++++++

Baby Gabriel’s mom ‘played us,’ couple say
updated 6:15 a.m. PT, Mon., Jan. 11, 2010


Tammi said that Johnson never gave any details about what kind of support group she had while she was on the run with Gabriel, making vague references in her communications with them to women’s shelters and “the underground.”

“She’s a very secretive type person,” Tammi Smith said of Johnson. “I did ask her, but she would not give more any details. I had to force that stuff out of her: ‘What about diapers?’ ‘What about formula?’ ”

Tammi said Johnson would respond, “They’re gonna help me. They’re gonna help me,” without ever saying who “they” were.

Tammi said Johnson would respond, “They’re gonna help me. They’re gonna help me,” without ever saying who “they” were.

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/34802462/ns/today-today_people/



Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: mymonkey on January 12, 2010, 10:13:18 PM
This might be the dumbest question for the day ::MonkeyHaHa::

Could it be EJ had her nails manicured to remove any dna that could be under nails from Gabriel...if she took his life  ?


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: klaasend on January 12, 2010, 10:55:49 PM
That phone number matches up to a real estate agent in Scottsdale/Tempe unrelated to this case, fwiw


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 12, 2010, 11:48:47 PM
Police: Person Of Interest Withheld Information


POSTED: 7:53 pm MST January 12, 2010
UPDATED: 8:23 pm MST January 12, 2010

TEMPE, Ariz. -- Tempe investigators revealed bits and pieces of new information today surrounding their investigation into missing 8-month-old Gabriel Johnson. Some of that information sheds light on why police still believe a Scottsdale couple has not been completely forthcoming in their police interviews.

Tammi and Jack Smith have been named persons of interest in the baby's disappearance. They were the couple that had befriended Elizabeth Johnson and were interested in adopting her son Gabriel.

Johnson and Gabriel's biological father, Logan McQueary, had been in an ugly custody battle. McQueary is listed on the birth certificate, but when Johnson filed court papers, she indicated another man could also be the father. That man is Craig Cherry.

Today, Tempe investigators said they interviewed Cherry and he told them he had never met Johnson and never talked with her. Cherry also told police that he was related to Tammi Smith. Commander Kim Hale, who is heading up the investigation for Tempe police said that information surprised him. "That was information that would have been probably helpful to us in the very beginning," said Hale. He also said that in all of the police interviews with Tammi Smith, she never mentioned she was related to Cherry. Police used that omission as an example of why they believe the Smiths are withholding information and why they are still considered persons of interest.

In a phone interview, Cherry said he was Smith's first cousin and that the two are very close. Cherry also reiterated that he had never met Johnson and that he could only speculate as to how she learned his name, in order to use it on court documents.

Tempe police confirmed late Tuesday night that they had investigators in San Antonio, the last place baby Gabriel was seen the day after Christmas, searching for clues.

http://www.kpho.com/news/22222086/detail.html


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Tracygirl on January 13, 2010, 12:00:19 AM
Police: Person Of Interest Withheld Information


POSTED: 7:53 pm MST January 12, 2010
UPDATED: 8:23 pm MST January 12, 2010

TEMPE, Ariz. -- Tempe investigators revealed bits and pieces of new information today surrounding their investigation into missing 8-month-old Gabriel Johnson. Some of that information sheds light on why police still believe a Scottsdale couple has not been completely forthcoming in their police interviews.

Tammi and Jack Smith have been named persons of interest in the baby's disappearance. They were the couple that had befriended Elizabeth Johnson and were interested in adopting her son Gabriel.

Johnson and Gabriel's biological father, Logan McQueary, had been in an ugly custody battle. McQueary is listed on the birth certificate, but when Johnson filed court papers, she indicated another man could also be the father. That man is Craig Cherry.

Today, Tempe investigators said they interviewed Cherry and he told them he had never met Johnson and never talked with her. Cherry also told police that he was related to Tammi Smith. Commander Kim Hale, who is heading up the investigation for Tempe police said that information surprised him. "That was information that would have been probably helpful to us in the very beginning," said Hale. He also said that in all of the police interviews with Tammi Smith, she never mentioned she was related to Cherry. Police used that omission as an example of why they believe the Smiths are withholding information and why they are still considered persons of interest.

In a phone interview, Cherry said he was Smith's first cousin and that the two are very close. Cherry also reiterated that he had never met Johnson and that he could only speculate as to how she learned his name, in order to use it on court documents.

Tempe police confirmed late Tuesday night that they had investigators in San Antonio, the last place baby Gabriel was seen the day after Christmas, searching for clues.

http://www.kpho.com/news/22222086/detail.html


::MonkeyShocked:: Wow, so are they arrested yet?


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: leslee on January 13, 2010, 12:02:40 AM
Police: Person Of Interest Withheld Information


POSTED: 7:53 pm MST January 12, 2010
UPDATED: 8:23 pm MST January 12, 2010

TEMPE, Ariz. -- Tempe investigators revealed bits and pieces of new information today surrounding their investigation into missing 8-month-old Gabriel Johnson. Some of that information sheds light on why police still believe a Scottsdale couple has not been completely forthcoming in their police interviews.

Tammi and Jack Smith have been named persons of interest in the baby's disappearance. They were the couple that had befriended Elizabeth Johnson and were interested in adopting her son Gabriel.

Johnson and Gabriel's biological father, Logan McQueary, had been in an ugly custody battle. McQueary is listed on the birth certificate, but when Johnson filed court papers, she indicated another man could also be the father. That man is Craig Cherry.

Today, Tempe investigators said they interviewed Cherry and he told them he had never met Johnson and never talked with her. Cherry also told police that he was related to Tammi Smith. Commander Kim Hale, who is heading up the investigation for Tempe police said that information surprised him. "That was information that would have been probably helpful to us in the very beginning," said Hale. He also said that in all of the police interviews with Tammi Smith, she never mentioned she was related to Cherry. Police used that omission as an example of why they believe the Smiths are withholding information and why they are still considered persons of interest.

In a phone interview, Cherry said he was Smith's first cousin and that the two are very close. Cherry also reiterated that he had never met Johnson and that he could only speculate as to how she learned his name, in order to use it on court documents.

Tempe police confirmed late Tuesday night that they had investigators in San Antonio, the last place baby Gabriel was seen the day after Christmas, searching for clues.

http://www.kpho.com/news/22222086/detail.html

Well now does it surprise anybody that a relative of Tammi is listed as a potential father? It seems Tammi was just as desperate to get Logan to waive his rights as EJ was. I just simply can not imagine how EJ chose that particular name. She would have been better off to point a finger at Tom Jones ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Tracygirl on January 13, 2010, 12:05:11 AM
Couple: Baby Gabriel's Mom 'Duped' Us
UPDATED: 8:50 am MST January 12, 2010


Even when they knew Johnson was on the run, they put her in contact with Janet Morris, an adoption specialist in Nashville, Tenn.

The FBI searched her house as part of the investigation into Gabriel's disappearance.

According to court documents, Morris was once challenged for allegedly stripping a father of his parental rights without properly notifying him -- exactly what the biological father of Tammi and Jack Smith's adopted daughter, Hannah, says the couple did to him.

"I'll put my hand on any bible in any court in the United States and swear to it," Travis Andrews Warford, Hannah's biological father, told CBS 5 News.

http://www.kpho.com/news/22213153/detail.html


How awful, can you imagine that happening? What kind of people are these, my goodness


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: cartfly on January 13, 2010, 12:20:10 AM
Police: Person Of Interest Withheld Information


POSTED: 7:53 pm MST January 12, 2010
UPDATED: 8:23 pm MST January 12, 2010

TEMPE, Ariz. -- Tempe investigators revealed bits and pieces of new information today surrounding their investigation into missing 8-month-old Gabriel Johnson. Some of that information sheds light on why police still believe a Scottsdale couple has not been completely forthcoming in their police interviews.

Tammi and Jack Smith have been named persons of interest in the baby's disappearance. They were the couple that had befriended Elizabeth Johnson and were interested in adopting her son Gabriel.

Johnson and Gabriel's biological father, Logan McQueary, had been in an ugly custody battle. McQueary is listed on the birth certificate, but when Johnson filed court papers, she indicated another man could also be the father. That man is Craig Cherry.

Today, Tempe investigators said they interviewed Cherry and he told them he had never met Johnson and never talked with her. Cherry also told police that he was related to Tammi Smith. Commander Kim Hale, who is heading up the investigation for Tempe police said that information surprised him. "That was information that would have been probably helpful to us in the very beginning," said Hale. He also said that in all of the police interviews with Tammi Smith, she never mentioned she was related to Cherry. Police used that omission as an example of why they believe the Smiths are withholding information and why they are still considered persons of interest.

In a phone interview, Cherry said he was Smith's first cousin and that the two are very close. Cherry also reiterated that he had never met Johnson and that he could only speculate as to how she learned his name, in order to use it on court documents.

Tempe police confirmed late Tuesday night that they had investigators in San Antonio, the last place baby Gabriel was seen the day after Christmas, searching for clues.

http://www.kpho.com/news/22222086/detail.html
::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: lillyfinn on January 13, 2010, 12:26:20 AM
I will have to go through the info I got to find out where I got the texting part.

from page 64 Timeline:
Date the 26th:
Adjacent to the park is the Mission Burial Park North, 20900 Interstate 10 West, that consists of about 63 acres. (If she did lose control, and made good her threat to kill the baby, then this is one place nobody would think of looking. I know very sad to think of this happening.)

I found the information about Burial (Cemetary) when searching for the Raymond Russell park the other day and added into the timeline. I had not read it any where before.


There's more about Janet Morris that if you search you will come up with two locations for The Adoption Place:

505 Oak Forest Circle
Antioch, TN 37013-1842     (A city related to the Smiths)

and   2311 Brookstone Ct.
        Mount Juliet, TN 37122-3263    (both have the same area code 615)

the second one is listed as: Janet Morris Adoption Con    (yes really, Con)
annual income $75,000 with two employees
Lindee Vaught is associated with The Adoption Place

I wrote this down and didn't save the links but it was in Google.

 
 


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: lillyfinn on January 13, 2010, 12:37:55 AM

Janet Morris Adoption Con

http://www.manta.com/coms2/dnbcompany_8rsdfr


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Tracygirl on January 13, 2010, 12:43:59 AM
http://www.cnn.com/video/data/2.0/video/crime/2010/01/08/ng.adoptive.parents.cnn.html

Wow maybe they are reading here because tonight on NG they were crying and all choked up. Give me a freaken break. those were the fakest tears I have seen in a long time.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: klaasend on January 13, 2010, 12:51:39 AM
http://www.kpho.com/news/22222086/detail.html

Police: Person Of Interest Withheld Information
Donna Rossi
Reporter, KPHO.com

POSTED: 7:53 pm MST January 12, 2010
UPDATED: 10:17 pm MST January 12, 2010
TEMPE, Ariz. -- Tempe investigators revealed bits and pieces of new information today surrounding their investigation into missing 8-month-old Gabriel Johnson. Some of that information sheds light on why police still believe a Scottsdale couple has not been completely forthcoming in their police interviews.

Tammi and Jack Smith have been named persons of interest in the baby's disappearance. They were the couple that had befriended Elizabeth Johnson and were interested in adopting her son Gabriel.

Johnson and Gabriel's biological father, Logan McQueary, had been in an ugly custody battle. McQueary is listed on the birth certificate, but when Johnson filed court papers, she indicated another man could also be the father. That man is Craig Cherry.

Today, Tempe investigators said they interviewed Cherry and he told them he had never met Johnson and never talked with her. Cherry also told police that he was related to Tammi Smith. Commander Kim Hale, who is heading up the investigation for Tempe police said that information surprised him. "That was information that would have been probably helpful to us in the very beginning," said Hale. He also said that in all of the police interviews with Tammi Smith, she never mentioned she was related to Cherry. Police used that omission as an example of why they believe the Smiths are withholding information and why they are still considered persons of interest.

In a phone interview with CBS5, Cherry said he was Smith's first cousin and that the two are very close. Cherry also reiterated that he had never met Johnson and that he could only speculate as to how she learned his name, in order to use it on court documents.

But later Tuesday night, in a call to CBS5, Tammi Smith tried to explain.

"I remember the conversation between me and (Elizabeth). We were laughing about it and I just commented on how Logan (McQueary) and my cousin (Craig Cherry) have the same record about DUI's and stuff and we were making a funny joke about that."
  (yeah right)

But in the same call, Tammi Smith admitted she drove Johnson to court to file the paternity request. She even made three copies of the paperwork that clearly labeled her cousin, Craig Cherry, as the possible father of the boy she wanted to adopt.

Smith told CBS5 she never read it because she was in a hurry.

"Did I drive her there? Yes. I watched the baby the whole time," said Smith.

Smith says she would have been forthcoming with investigators, but she doesn't remember them asking her about Craig Cherry.

Tempe police confirmed late Tuesday night that they had investigators in San Antonio, the last place baby Gabriel was seen the day after Christmas, searching for clues.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: lillyfinn on January 13, 2010, 01:02:35 AM
For Darla's question:

http://nancygrace.blogs.cnn.com/2010/01/05/8-mo-old-baby-missing-in-danger/


An Arizona couple contacted McQueary after the disappearance, asking McQueary to sign adoption papers for Gabriel. The couple, Tammi and Jack Smith, claim immediately after Johnson sent McQueary the text and voice messages saying she killed the baby, Johnson sent the Smiths a text message saying she only did that to get back at McQueary and that the baby was fine.




Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: lillyfinn on January 13, 2010, 01:59:18 AM
This might be the dumbest question for the day ::MonkeyHaHa::

Could it be EJ had her nails manicured to remove any dna that could be under nails from Gabriel...if she took his life  ?

Edit:  Removed by request of poster.  MB



Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: lillyfinn on January 13, 2010, 02:19:54 AM
Edit:  Removed by poster's request.  MB


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: lillyfinn on January 13, 2010, 02:28:17 AM
The Smiths are the KEY and Elizabeth is the LOCK.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: seahorse on January 13, 2010, 08:11:44 AM
http://www.kpho.com/news/22222086/detail.html

Police: Person Of Interest Withheld Information
Donna Rossi
Reporter, KPHO.com

POSTED: 7:53 pm MST January 12, 2010
UPDATED: 10:17 pm MST January 12, 2010
TEMPE, Ariz. -- Tempe investigators revealed bits and pieces of new information today surrounding their investigation into missing 8-month-old Gabriel Johnson. Some of that information sheds light on why police still believe a Scottsdale couple has not been completely forthcoming in their police interviews.

Tammi and Jack Smith have been named persons of interest in the baby's disappearance. They were the couple that had befriended Elizabeth Johnson and were interested in adopting her son Gabriel.

Johnson and Gabriel's biological father, Logan McQueary, had been in an ugly custody battle. McQueary is listed on the birth certificate, but when Johnson filed court papers, she indicated another man could also be the father. That man is Craig Cherry.

Today, Tempe investigators said they interviewed Cherry and he told them he had never met Johnson and never talked with her. Cherry also told police that he was related to Tammi Smith. Commander Kim Hale, who is heading up the investigation for Tempe police said that information surprised him. "That was information that would have been probably helpful to us in the very beginning," said Hale. He also said that in all of the police interviews with Tammi Smith, she never mentioned she was related to Cherry. Police used that omission as an example of why they believe the Smiths are withholding information and why they are still considered persons of interest.

In a phone interview with CBS5, Cherry said he was Smith's first cousin and that the two are very close. Cherry also reiterated that he had never met Johnson and that he could only speculate as to how she learned his name, in order to use it on court documents.

But later Tuesday night, in a call to CBS5, Tammi Smith tried to explain.

"I remember the conversation between me and (Elizabeth). We were laughing about it and I just commented on how Logan (McQueary) and my cousin (Craig Cherry) have the same record about DUI's and stuff and we were making a funny joke about that."
  (yeah right)

But in the same call, Tammi Smith admitted she drove Johnson to court to file the paternity request. She even made three copies of the paperwork that clearly labeled her cousin, Craig Cherry, as the possible father of the boy she wanted to adopt.

Smith told CBS5 she never read it because she was in a hurry.

"Did I drive her there? Yes. I watched the baby the whole time," said Smith.

Smith says she would have been forthcoming with investigators, but she doesn't remember them asking her about Craig Cherry.

Tempe police confirmed late Tuesday night that they had investigators in San Antonio, the last place baby Gabriel was seen the day after Christmas, searching for clues.



Good Police and investigative work.

JMO, Tammi stinks. ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Leroy on January 13, 2010, 09:17:27 AM
Wonder if she named Craig Cherry as a possible father just to tick off Logan in hopes he would sign the papers knowing she had messed around with someone else.

Since he claims he and Tammi were close, I would love to know how much Mr. Cherry knows.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Monkey with Class on January 13, 2010, 09:47:37 AM
Wonder if she named Craig Cherry as a possible father just to tick off Logan in hopes he would sign the papers knowing she had messed around with someone else.

Since he claims he and Tammi were close, I would love to know how much Mr. Cherry knows.

I would think the plan was to have Cherry sign over his rights to the baby.   However, this plan fell of the tracks when Logan took paternity test to prove he was the father.  If Logan had not of done that, then I would think Tammi would have Cherry sign the papers saying he terminates his rights.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: seahorse on January 13, 2010, 09:54:12 AM
N.G. has been duped by this con artist, who wanted to swipe a baby and not adopt.

Ms. Grace should interview Mr. Cherry and dig to the bottom of this mess. IMO.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Leroy on January 13, 2010, 09:56:05 AM
N.G. has been duped by this con artist, who wanted to swipe a baby and not adopt.

Ms. Grace should interview Mr. Cherry and dig to the bottom of this mess. IMO.

Yep!


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: mymonkey on January 13, 2010, 09:59:31 AM
Wonder if she named Craig Cherry as a possible father just to tick off Logan in hopes he would sign the papers knowing she had messed around with someone else.

Since he claims he and Tammi were close, I would love to know how much Mr. Cherry knows.

I would think the plan was to have Cherry sign over his rights to the baby.   However, this plan fell of the tracks when Logan took paternity test to prove he was the father.  If Logan had not of done that, then I would think Tammi would have Cherry sign the papers saying he terminates his rights.


All I can say is thank goodness Logan  came forward...and now the plot is being exposed....I still thinks grandpa knows more than he is telling.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: lillyfinn on January 13, 2010, 10:10:37 AM
From the previous posted information about Craig Cherry, I believe the Police are building a case against the Smiths. They are gathering information, they need evidence that will stand up in court. They won't formally make charges until they have enough.

At this point it seems that they are really working and doing all that they can until they have enough evidence to file charges against the Smiths. If they would charge and arrest them now there just isn't enough evidence. The Smiths would walk.

The Smiths will eventually be charged and will provide information. Since Elizabeth will not say anything but repeat what seems to be a rehearsed script. At this point, she seems to have accomplished her goal. I don't know if she can be legally forced to take medication for her psychiatic condition. If she is really Bi-Polar, (the former name is manic depression) That type of medication can sometimes take up to a month before it has an effect, yet each week it would make improvements in such a condition. (My 19 year old daughter is on such medication) I have seen first hand the mood swings, and behavior.

There's another person who needs to stop talking in riddles. Grandpa Johnson, as he seems to be protecting Elizabeth.

I did find through the link posted here of the court case filed by Logan some information about him.
Appears Grandpa Johnson was divorced in 1991 (filed on December 12, 1991 case: DR1991-016901) from his wife whose name was Elizabeth A. Johnson.  I did more searches but could not find any additional cases with his name: Donald Robert Johnson.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: seahorse on January 13, 2010, 10:15:42 AM
N.G. has been duped by this con artist, who wanted to swipe a baby and not adopt.

Ms. Grace should interview Mr. Cherry and dig to the bottom of this mess. IMO.

Yep!

I found a Craig V. Cherry on ancestry.com...you must be a member to access information.

http://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?gl=ROOT_CATEGORY&rank=1&new=1&so=3&MSAV=0&msT=1&gss=ms_f-2&gsfn=craig&gsln=cherry&msbpn=5&msbpn__ftp=Arizona%2C+USA&msdpn=5&msdpn__ftp=Arizona%2C+US


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: no rose colored glasses on January 13, 2010, 10:59:35 AM
From the previous posted information about Craig Cherry, I believe the Police are building a case against the Smiths. They are gathering information, they need evidence that will stand up in court. They won't formally make charges until they have enough.

At this point it seems that they are really working and doing all that they can until they have enough evidence to file charges against the Smiths. If they would charge and arrest them now there just isn't enough evidence. The Smiths would walk.

The Smiths will eventually be charged and will provide information. Since Elizabeth will not say anything but repeat what seems to be a rehearsed script. At this point, she seems to have accomplished her goal. I don't know if she can be legally forced to take medication for her psychiatic condition. If she is really Bi-Polar, (the former name is manic depression) That type of medication can sometimes take up to a month before it has an effect, yet each week it would make improvements in such a condition. (My 19 year old daughter is on such medication) I have seen first hand the mood swings, and behavior.

There's another person who needs to stop talking in riddles. Grandpa Johnson, as he seems to be protecting Elizabeth.

I did find through the link posted here of the court case filed by Logan some information about him.
Appears Grandpa Johnson was divorced in 1991 (filed on December 12, 1991 case: DR1991-016901) from his wife whose name was Elizabeth A. Johnson.  I did more searches but could not find any additional cases with his name: Donald Robert Johnson.
I have no idea, but doubt if they can force you to take meds, not only is there hinting at her being bi polar, and that she had postpartum depression. I know first hand the mood swings and behavior also  ::MonkeyNoNo:: Maybe her lawyer can talk some sense into her and maybe get her on medicine, wishful thinking, on my part.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 13, 2010, 11:05:12 AM
From FB

Tammi Peters Smith:

If you have questions about Craig Cherry:Elizabeth and I talked numerous times for about 2 weeks!She had one other guy that may be the possible father of Gabriel but would not tell me his name due to the fact that Logan was friends with him and did not want world war three!We joked about many things and my cousin's name came up in that conversation!


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: klaasend on January 13, 2010, 11:07:55 AM
From FB

Tammi Peters Smith:

If you have questions about Craig Cherry:Elizabeth and I talked numerous times for about 2 weeks!She had one other guy that may be the possible father of Gabriel but would not tell me his name due to the fact that Logan was friends with him and did not want world war three!We joked about many things and my cousin's name came up in that conversation!

Tammi is a lying POS and so is her husband.  She must have neglected to perform her Hydrotherapy on herself because she's clearly FOS.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: mymonkey on January 13, 2010, 11:13:19 AM
From FB

Tammi Peters Smith:

If you have questions about Craig Cherry:Elizabeth and I talked numerous times for about 2 weeks!She had one other guy that may be the possible father of Gabriel but would not tell me his name due to the fact that Logan was friends with him and did not want world war three!We joked about many things and my cousin's name came up in that conversation!

Tammi is a lying POS and so is her husband.  She must have neglected to perform her Hydrotherapy on herself because she's clearly FOS.

You got tha ::MonkeyTongue::t right


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: mymonkey on January 13, 2010, 11:14:37 AM
From the previous posted information about Craig Cherry, I believe the Police are building a case against the Smiths. They are gathering information, they need evidence that will stand up in court. They won't formally make charges until they have enough.

At this point it seems that they are really working and doing all that they can until they have enough evidence to file charges against the Smiths. If they would charge and arrest them now there just isn't enough evidence. The Smiths would walk.

The Smiths will eventually be charged and will provide information. Since Elizabeth will not say anything but repeat what seems to be a rehearsed script. At this point, she seems to have accomplished her goal. I don't know if she can be legally forced to take medication for her psychiatic condition. If she is really Bi-Polar, (the former name is manic depression) That type of medication can sometimes take up to a month before it has an effect, yet each week it would make improvements in such a condition. (My 19 year old daughter is on such medication) I have seen first hand the mood swings, and behavior.

There's another person who needs to stop talking in riddles. Grandpa Johnson, as he seems to be protecting Elizabeth.

I did find through the link posted here of the court case filed by Logan some information about him.
Appears Grandpa Johnson was divorced in 1991 (filed on December 12, 1991 case: DR1991-016901) from his wife whose name was Elizabeth A. Johnson.  I did more searches but could not find any additional cases with his name: Donald Robert Johnson.
I have no idea, but doubt if they can force you to take meds, not only is there hinting at her being bi polar, and that she had postpartum depression. I know first hand the mood swings and behavior also  ::MonkeyNoNo:: Maybe her lawyer can talk some sense into her and maybe get her on medicine, wishful thinking, on my part.

Maybe she thinks the Smiths will be blamed and she will walk free.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 13, 2010, 11:17:56 AM
From FB

Tammi Peters Smith:

If you have questions about Craig Cherry:Elizabeth and I talked numerous times for about 2 weeks!She had one other guy that may be the possible father of Gabriel but would not tell me his name due to the fact that Logan was friends with him and did not want world war three!We joked about many things and my cousin's name came up in that conversation!

Tammi is a lying POS and so is her husband.  She must have neglected to perform her Hydrotherapy on herself because she's clearly FOS.

Yup.  Or she had the pressure too high   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: seahorse on January 13, 2010, 11:21:26 AM
TPS spells her first name both ways: Tammy & Tammi.  ::MonkeySlide::

Appears she was Tammy Peters, Tammy Facio.  Perhaps she changed her spelling after her second divorce?

http://www.peoplefinders.com/search/searchpreview.aspx?searchtype=people-name&fn=TAMMI&ln=PETERS&mn=&city=&state=AZ

 FACIO, TAMMIE  PETERS
Age: 37

Associated names:
FACIO, TAMMI F
FACIO, TAMMI P
FACIO, TAMMY P
PETERS, TAMMY
PETERS, TAMMI F
RIDDLE, TAMMI P
SMITH, TAMMI

 NASHVILLE, TN
CHALMETTE, LA
PHOENIX, AZ
ARABI, LA
ANTIOCH, TN
GOODLETTSVILLE, TN
SCOTTSDALE, AZ
MERAUX, LA

  PETERS, TAMMI
FACIO, JULIUS JOSEPH (Age 74)
FACIO, KIETH JOSEPH (Age 46)
SMITHERMAN, STACY YVETTE (Age 43)
SMITH, MARY JANE (Age 49)
SMITH, JACK D (Age 57)
FACIO, JENNIE J (Age 72)
RIDDLE, TAMMY (Age 40)
RIDDLE, MICHAEL


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 13, 2010, 11:23:21 AM
From FB:

Tammi Peters Smith:

 They still didn't get it right!I was upstairs with the baby most of the time,when I came down the lady in there said if she doesn't get in line in 2 minutes w/3 copies of the papers she'll have to come back tomorrow to file!So she got in line and i rushed the copies through the copy machine!I didn't have time to read through her papers.Then when i ... See Morerushed them to her,they had already locked the doors and she finally came to the door looking for me and let me in.PLUS:The police never mentioned him,so why would I think that he might be on the papers and tell them??? My brain is thinking of clues to find this baby, NOT another father!!!!!!

Tammi Peters Smith:

 Nothing about our story has changed except for our feelings for Elizabeth! Every day we learn more and more about this woman that makes us sick!

Tammi Peters Smith:

 Yes, and we were trying to help her do that! She has a 4.0 GPA and earned a 4 year scholarship to South Eastern, she is extremely smart!


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: bananas on January 13, 2010, 11:23:22 AM
From FB

Tammi Peters Smith:

If you have questions about Craig Cherry:Elizabeth and I talked numerous times for about 2 weeks!She had one other guy that may be the possible father of Gabriel but would not tell me his name due to the fact that Logan was friends with him and did not want world war three!We joked about many things and my cousin's name came up in that conversation!

Tammi is a lying POS and so is her husband.  She must have neglected to perform her Hydrotherapy on herself because she's clearly FOS.

Yup.  Or she had the pressure too high   ::MonkeyCool::

As in sh!t for brains?  I am not sure what to make of the Smiths.  I think they must know more then they are telling too.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 13, 2010, 11:24:35 AM
From FB

Tammi Peters Smith:

If you have questions about Craig Cherry:Elizabeth and I talked numerous times for about 2 weeks!She had one other guy that may be the possible father of Gabriel but would not tell me his name due to the fact that Logan was friends with him and did not want world war three!We joked about many things and my cousin's name came up in that conversation!

Tammi is a lying POS and so is her husband.  She must have neglected to perform her Hydrotherapy on herself because she's clearly FOS.

Yup.  Or she had the pressure too high   ::MonkeyCool::

As in sh!t for brains?  I am not sure what to make of the Smiths.  I think they must know more then they are telling too.

Yup.  She power flushed everything into her head.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: lillyfinn on January 13, 2010, 11:27:23 AM
Mods please delete my posts 1313 and 1314 I believe what I wrote is completely off. Thank you
Edit:  I've edited but not removed your two posts.  I'm very hesitant to go back and start removing or even editing posts because of a change in opinion.  Removal or even editing a post isn't done lightly.  MuffyBee


http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/34802462/ns/today-today_people/
 
 
“She’s a very secretive type person,” Tammi Smith said of Johnson. “I did ask her, but she would not give more any details. I had to force that stuff out of her: ‘What about diapers?’ ‘What about formula?’ ”

Tammi said Johnson would respond, “They’re gonna help me. They’re gonna help me,” without ever saying who “they” were.

Remember the Smiths had stated that Elizabeth had WIC (these are federal checks to purchase formula, baby cereal, juice, depends on the age of the child) That Elizabeth had everything to take care of Gabriel. (Remember where that article was from?) Then states the above as if she has no idea how she will take care of Gabriel.

The police keep stating they believe Gabriel is alive. I think they do not want to state the any facts until they have enough evidence to charge the Smiths. The Police want the Smiths. The Smiths appear to be the instigators of the whole situation. From brainwashing and manipulating Elizabeth for their self-serving desire to have a child.

The Smiths originally sided with Elizabeth, then at some point started covering their behinds.

Does any one know the date, article link when the Smiths changed thier attitude towards Elizabeth?
 


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 13, 2010, 11:30:11 AM
http://www.kpho.com/news/22222086/detail.html

Police: Person Of Interest Withheld Information
Donna Rossi
Reporter, KPHO.com

POSTED: 7:53 pm MST January 12, 2010
UPDATED: 10:17 pm MST January 12, 2010
TEMPE, Ariz. -- Tempe investigators revealed bits and pieces of new information today surrounding their investigation into missing 8-month-old Gabriel Johnson. Some of that information sheds light on why police still believe a Scottsdale couple has not been completely forthcoming in their police interviews.

Tammi and Jack Smith have been named persons of interest in the baby's disappearance. They were the couple that had befriended Elizabeth Johnson and were interested in adopting her son Gabriel.

Johnson and Gabriel's biological father, Logan McQueary, had been in an ugly custody battle. McQueary is listed on the birth certificate, but when Johnson filed court papers, she indicated another man could also be the father. That man is Craig Cherry.

Today, Tempe investigators said they interviewed Cherry and he told them he had never met Johnson and never talked with her. Cherry also told police that he was related to Tammi Smith. Commander Kim Hale, who is heading up the investigation for Tempe police said that information surprised him. "That was information that would have been probably helpful to us in the very beginning," said Hale. He also said that in all of the police interviews with Tammi Smith, she never mentioned she was related to Cherry. Police used that omission as an example of why they believe the Smiths are withholding information and why they are still considered persons of interest.

In a phone interview with CBS5, Cherry said he was Smith's first cousin and that the two are very close. Cherry also reiterated that he had never met Johnson and that he could only speculate as to how she learned his name, in order to use it on court documents.

But later Tuesday night, in a call to CBS5, Tammi Smith tried to explain.

"I remember the conversation between me and (Elizabeth). We were laughing about it and I just commented on how Logan (McQueary) and my cousin (Craig Cherry) have the same record about DUI's and stuff and we were making a funny joke about that."
  (yeah right)

But in the same call, Tammi Smith admitted she drove Johnson to court to file the paternity request. She even made three copies of the paperwork that clearly labeled her cousin, Craig Cherry, as the possible father of the boy she wanted to adopt.

Smith told CBS5 she never read it because she was in a hurry.

"Did I drive her there? Yes. I watched the baby the whole time," said Smith.

Smith says she would have been forthcoming with investigators, but she doesn't remember them asking her about Craig Cherry.

Tempe police confirmed late Tuesday night that they had investigators in San Antonio, the last place baby Gabriel was seen the day after Christmas, searching for clues.


 ::MonkeyShocked::



Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 13, 2010, 11:30:41 AM
Tammi was too quick for me.  She had another comment on her FB that they were joking with EJ that Cherry's record was very much the same as Logan's as they both had DUI's which is how Cherry came up in conversation.  She deleted it before I could grab it. 


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: mymonkey on January 13, 2010, 11:30:47 AM
From FB:

Tammi Peters Smith:

 They still didn't get it right!I was upstairs with the baby most of the time,when I came down the lady in there said if she doesn't get in line in 2 minutes w/3 copies of the papers she'll have to come back tomorrow to file!So she got in line and i rushed the copies through the copy machine!I didn't have time to read through her papers.Then when i ... See Morerushed them to her,they had already locked the doors and she finally came to the door looking for me and let me in.PLUS:The police never mentioned him,so why would I think that he might be on the papers and tell them??? My brain is thinking of clues to find this baby, NOT another father!!!!!!

Tammi Peters Smith:

 Nothing about our story has changed except for our feelings for Elizabeth! Every day we learn more and more about this woman that makes us sick!

Tammi Peters Smith:

 Yes, and we were trying to help her do that! She has a 4.0 GPA and earned a 4 year scholarship to South Eastern, she is extremely smart!


EJ is smarter than both the Smith put togeather....all tho I wish EJ would talk....EJ not talking is smarter than the Smiths talking and digging themselves deeper  ::MonkeyShovel:: I bet EJ is sitting in her cell thinking to herself how stupid these two are...I still say EJ flipped on the Smiths when she caught on to their scam  and found out she was not getting the amount of money she wanted out of them...but where is Gabriel ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: mymonkey on January 13, 2010, 11:32:46 AM
http://www.kpho.com/news/22222086/detail.html

Police: Person Of Interest Withheld Information
Donna Rossi
Reporter, KPHO.com

POSTED: 7:53 pm MST January 12, 2010
UPDATED: 10:17 pm MST January 12, 2010
TEMPE, Ariz. -- Tempe investigators revealed bits and pieces of new information today surrounding their investigation into missing 8-month-old Gabriel Johnson. Some of that information sheds light on why police still believe a Scottsdale couple has not been completely forthcoming in their police interviews.

Tammi and Jack Smith have been named persons of interest in the baby's disappearance. They were the couple that had befriended Elizabeth Johnson and were interested in adopting her son Gabriel.

Johnson and Gabriel's biological father, Logan McQueary, had been in an ugly custody battle. McQueary is listed on the birth certificate, but when Johnson filed court papers, she indicated another man could also be the father. That man is Craig Cherry.

Today, Tempe investigators said they interviewed Cherry and he told them he had never met Johnson and never talked with her. Cherry also told police that he was related to Tammi Smith. Commander Kim Hale, who is heading up the investigation for Tempe police said that information surprised him. "That was information that would have been probably helpful to us in the very beginning," said Hale. He also said that in all of the police interviews with Tammi Smith, she never mentioned she was related to Cherry. Police used that omission as an example of why they believe the Smiths are withholding information and why they are still considered persons of interest.

In a phone interview with CBS5, Cherry said he was Smith's first cousin and that the two are very close. Cherry also reiterated that he had never met Johnson and that he could only speculate as to how she learned his name, in order to use it on court documents.

But later Tuesday night, in a call to CBS5, Tammi Smith tried to explain.

"I remember the conversation between me and (Elizabeth). We were laughing about it and I just commented on how Logan (McQueary) and my cousin (Craig Cherry) have the same record about DUI's and stuff and we were making a funny joke about that."
  (yeah right)

But in the same call, Tammi Smith admitted she drove Johnson to court to file the paternity request. She even made three copies of the paperwork that clearly labeled her cousin, Craig Cherry, as the possible father of the boy she wanted to adopt.

Smith told CBS5 she never read it because she was in a hurry.

"Did I drive her there? Yes. I watched the baby the whole time," said Smith.

Smith says she would have been forthcoming with investigators, but she doesn't remember them asking her about Craig Cherry.

Tempe police confirmed late Tuesday night that they had investigators in San Antonio, the last place baby Gabriel was seen the day after Christmas, searching for clues.


 ::MonkeyShocked::




UH OH Tammi had a brain fart.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 13, 2010, 11:34:05 AM
From FB:

Tammi Peters Smith:

 They still didn't get it right!I was upstairs with the baby most of the time,when I came down the lady in there said if she doesn't get in line in 2 minutes w/3 copies of the papers she'll have to come back tomorrow to file!So she got in line and i rushed the copies through the copy machine!I didn't have time to read through her papers.Then when i ... See Morerushed them to her,they had already locked the doors and she finally came to the door looking for me and let me in.PLUS:The police never mentioned him,so why would I think that he might be on the papers and tell them??? My brain is thinking of clues to find this baby, NOT another father!!!!!!

Tammi Peters Smith:

 Nothing about our story has changed except for our feelings for Elizabeth! Every day we learn more and more about this woman that makes us sick!

Tammi Peters Smith:

 Yes, and we were trying to help her do that! She has a 4.0 GPA and earned a 4 year scholarship to South Eastern, she is extremely smart!

Northern Rose ... what is FB?

Thanks

Janet.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: darla on January 13, 2010, 11:39:16 AM
Good Morning Monkeys and guest!

Lilly thanks for the link, I had just not seen it.

Tammi and Jack remind me of Cindy and George and a lot of Joy Wray wrapped up in one. They just can't keep their mouths shut to save their lives.



Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 13, 2010, 11:39:58 AM
Northern Rose ... the llight dawned.

Since quitting coffee a while back ... it takes time for those morning cobwebs to clear.

Janet
8:40 AM PT


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: theboyzmom on January 13, 2010, 11:40:51 AM
From FB:

Tammi Peters Smith:

 They still didn't get it right!I was upstairs with the baby most of the time,when I came down the lady in there said if she doesn't get in line in 2 minutes w/3 copies of the papers she'll have to come back tomorrow to file!So she got in line and i rushed the copies through the copy machine!I didn't have time to read through her papers.Then when i ... See Morerushed them to her,they had already locked the doors and she finally came to the door looking for me and let me in.PLUS:The police never mentioned him,so why would I think that he might be on the papers and tell them??? My brain is thinking of clues to find this baby, NOT another father!!!!!!

Tammi Peters Smith:

 Nothing about our story has changed except for our feelings for Elizabeth! Every day we learn more and more about this woman that makes us sick!

Tammi Peters Smith:

 Yes, and we were trying to help her do that! She has a 4.0 GPA and earned a 4 year scholarship to South Eastern, she is extremely smart!

Northern Rose ... what is FB?

Thanks

Janet.

I am not northern but I will answer - FB = facebook


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 13, 2010, 11:41:17 AM
From FB:

Tammi Peters Smith:

 They still didn't get it right!I was upstairs with the baby most of the time,when I came down the lady in there said if she doesn't get in line in 2 minutes w/3 copies of the papers she'll have to come back tomorrow to file!So she got in line and i rushed the copies through the copy machine!I didn't have time to read through her papers.Then when i ... See Morerushed them to her,they had already locked the doors and she finally came to the door looking for me and let me in.PLUS:The police never mentioned him,so why would I think that he might be on the papers and tell them??? My brain is thinking of clues to find this baby, NOT another father!!!!!!

Tammi Peters Smith:

 Nothing about our story has changed except for our feelings for Elizabeth! Every day we learn more and more about this woman that makes us sick!

Tammi Peters Smith:

 Yes, and we were trying to help her do that! She has a 4.0 GPA and earned a 4 year scholarship to South Eastern, she is extremely smart!

Northern Rose ... what is FB?

Thanks

Janet.

Facebook.  It is set to private but she is adding people like crazy.  It is up to 1781 friends this morning.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: no rose colored glasses on January 13, 2010, 11:49:53 AM
In a phone interview, Cherry said he was Smith's first cousin and that the two are very close. Cherry also reiterated that he had never met Johnson and that he could only speculate as to how she learned his name, in order to use it on court documents.  ::MonkeyNoNo:: The walls are crumbling all around the Smiths, wonder if they will be on NG again tonight?  ::MonkeyShovel::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Leroy on January 13, 2010, 11:51:01 AM
From FB:

Tammi Peters Smith:

 They still didn't get it right!I was upstairs with the baby most of the time,when I came down the lady in there said if she doesn't get in line in 2 minutes w/3 copies of the papers she'll have to come back tomorrow to file!So she got in line and i rushed the copies through the copy machine!I didn't have time to read through her papers.Then when i ... See Morerushed them to her,they had already locked the doors and she finally came to the door looking for me and let me in.PLUS:The police never mentioned him,so why would I think that he might be on the papers and tell them??? My brain is thinking of clues to find this baby, NOT another father!!!!!!

Tammi Peters Smith:

 Nothing about our story has changed except for our feelings for Elizabeth! Every day we learn more and more about this woman that makes us sick!

Tammi Peters Smith:

 Yes, and we were trying to help her do that! She has a 4.0 GPA and earned a 4 year scholarship to South Eastern, she is extremely smart!

Northern Rose ... what is FB?

Thanks

Janet.

Facebook.  It is set to private but she is adding people like crazy.  It is up to 1781 friends this morning.

its her "stage" when shes not on NG   ::MonkeyRoll:: 


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: no rose colored glasses on January 13, 2010, 11:55:07 AM
1781 friends on FB?  ::MonkeyEek:: She is probably using all this as a platform for the book she is writing. Just think of all the books I will sell, probably going through her crazy brain right now.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Searching on January 13, 2010, 11:56:36 AM
I wonder if EJ would be more forth coming with LE if she saw that the Smith's were throwing her under the bus. I hope they arrest the Smiths soon. I can say, the Smiths are lucky they did not play this game with one of my children because I would not be like Gramp J, I would have put a stop to their game before it started and if I couldn't have, I would have found out by now where that baby was before my child took the fall alone for a scheme the Smiths cooked up. I do believe the Smiths cooked this entire thing up, they have the experience,knowledge and friends lined up in just the right places. How long have they been planning this is the question. Wonder if there are any "almost" victims out there.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: no rose colored glasses on January 13, 2010, 12:05:28 PM
http://www.azcorrections.gov/inmate_datasearch/results.aspx?InmateNumber=183825&LastName=CHERRY&FNMI=C&SearchType=SearchInet      Craig Cherry, not at one of his finest moments.  ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Tracygirl on January 13, 2010, 12:17:13 PM
What concerns me and this made me lay awake for hours this morning. She was alone with the baby the days before and after Christmas. Christmas can be a trigger for people who suffer from emotional problems such as depression or bipolar. That poor baby, his first Christmas was not what it should have been I'm sure.  ::MonkeyTears::

The Smiths, if they believe in God as they keep proclaiming they do, they need to do the right thing and admit their wrong doing. The father needs to be with his son again. Regardless of what they (the smiths) want, the baby is not theirs. The father is a stable person, he will be a good parent. God would want them to stop pretending and take responsibility for their short comings. they say they are good people, now is the time they prove it or they will forever be considered nothing more then con artists and thieves.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Tracygirl on January 13, 2010, 12:19:07 PM
http://www.azcorrections.gov/inmate_datasearch/results.aspx?InmateNumber=183825&LastName=CHERRY&FNMI=C&SearchType=SearchInet      Craig Cherry, not at one of his finest moments.  ::MonkeyEek::

 ::MonkeyShocked::
Very telling


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Tracygirl on January 13, 2010, 12:23:08 PM
Can someone answer a question for me, not sure if it is related to this case but I find it interesting? Is Arizona the state that has more kidnappings then any other states? Doesn't phoenix have the most per city? Does anyone know the average age of the child taken?


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 13, 2010, 12:26:35 PM
http://www.azcorrections.gov/inmate_datasearch/results.aspx?InmateNumber=183825&LastName=CHERRY&FNMI=C&SearchType=SearchInet      Craig Cherry, not at one of his finest moments.  ::MonkeyEek::

 ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 13, 2010, 12:40:21 PM
Reward offered for missing infant

A reward up to $5,000 is being offered for information that leads authorities to 8-month-old Gabriel Johnson, last seen with his mother in San Antonio in late December.

Crime Stoppers announced the reward Wednesday morning. The boy has not been seen since Dec. 26, and his mother, who remains jailed in Arizona on three felony charges in connection with her son's disappearance, has not cooperated with authorities, they said.

The infant's mother, Elizabeth Johnson, 23, is being held at the Maricopa County Jail in Arizona, charged with kidnapping, child abuse and custodial interference. A cash-only bond has been set at $1.1 million.

Authorities, including the FBI and the San Antonio Police Department, said Johnson and her baby checked into a North Side hotel from Dec. 20 to Dec. 27. Johnson was seen boarding a bus to Ft. Lauderdale, Fla.,  on Dec. 27, but Gabriel wasn't with her, authorities said.

She was arrested in Florida Dec. 30, after she failed to show up for a custodial hearing in Phoenix.

Authorities are calling a Scottsdale couple “persons of interest” in the case. The couple has said they befriended at an airport Johnson, who they said wanted to give her son up for adoption.

http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/81326657.html


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 13, 2010, 12:42:59 PM
Reward offered in missing baby case

<snipped>

Investigators say 8-month-old Gabriel Johnson arrived in San Antonio with his mother Elizabeth Johnson on December 20th. Elizabeth Johnson checked into the HomeGate Studios & Suites at 10950 Laureate on the Northwest Side for the week of December 20th through December 27th.

According to police, Gabriel was last seen with this mother during the early morning hours of December 26th. A day later, Elizabeth Johnson was alone when she boarded a bus headed for Ft. Lauderdale, Florida.

"If the child is in good hands, and that's a big if, then the child will still be around," explained Kim Hale from the Tempe Arizona Police Department. "But the longer we go, it doesn't help us in any way as far as trying to recover the child, where-ever the child is, whether the child is in a home, whether the child has been taken across the border to Mexico, or whether the child is at the bottom of a landfill."

http://www.woai.com/news/local/story/Reward-offered-in-missing-baby-case/t_KP5xzGaEiVh7LXE_Z6Pg.cspx


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: no rose colored glasses on January 13, 2010, 12:47:36 PM
Reward offered in missing baby case

<snipped>

Investigators say 8-month-old Gabriel Johnson arrived in San Antonio with his mother Elizabeth Johnson on December 20th. Elizabeth Johnson checked into the HomeGate Studios & Suites at 10950 Laureate on the Northwest Side for the week of December 20th through December 27th.

According to police, Gabriel was last seen with this mother during the early morning hours of December 26th. A day later, Elizabeth Johnson was alone when she boarded a bus headed for Ft. Lauderdale, Florida.

"If the child is in good hands, and that's a big if, then the child will still be around," explained Kim Hale from the Tempe Arizona Police Department. "But the longer we go, it doesn't help us in any way as far as trying to recover the child, where-ever the child is, whether the child is in a home, whether the child has been taken across the border to Mexico, or whether the child is at the bottom of a landfill."

http://www.woai.com/news/local/story/Reward-offered-in-missing-baby-case/t_KP5xzGaEiVh7LXE_Z6Pg.cspx
  ::MonkeyNoNo::  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Tracygirl on January 13, 2010, 12:58:02 PM
Has it been said where exactly she was last seen with the baby? I have not read any comments from those who may have worked or stayed at the hotel during her stay, has anyone found anything? 


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 13, 2010, 12:58:37 PM
M-0751-CR-200004964  CRAIG CHERRY  DEFENDANT  06/1975  PEORIA, AZ 85345  Scottsdale Municipal 
CRAIG CHERRY    DEFENDANT  -  D 1  Date of Birth: 06/1975
Citation Count Description Disp. Date Disposition
X00000131  1  FALSE REPORT TO LAW ENFORCE  09/25/2000  JDGMT GUILTY/RESP SENT IMPOSED 
X00000131  2  DRIVE WITH LICENSE SUSPENDED/REVOKED/CANCELLED  09/25/2000  JDGMT GUILTY/RESP SENT IMPOSED 
X00000131  3  DRIVE WITH LICENSE SUSPENDED FOR FTA/FTP  09/25/2000  JDGMT GUILTY/RESP SENT IMPOSED 
 

S-0700-CR-2005104079  CRAIG CHERRY  DEFENDANT  06/1954  PHOENIX, AZ  Maricopa County Superior 
CRAIG CHERRY    DEFENDANT  -  D 2  Date of Birth: 06/1954
Citation Count Description Disp. Date Disposition
 1  NARCOTIC DRUG VIOLATION   
 
M-0741-247127  CRAIG B CHERRY  DEFENDANT   PHOENIX, AZ 85031  Phoenix Municipal 
CRAIG B CHERRY    DEFENDANT  -  D 1   
Citation Count Description Disp. Date Disposition
PPD1813099  1  LOCAL CHARGE  02/24/2007  PLEA GUILTY/RESP SENT IMPOSED 
 
M-0741-2401266  CRAIG B CHERRY  DEFENDANT   PHOENIX, AZ 85031  Phoenix Municipal 
CRAIG B CHERRY    DEFENDANT  -  D 1   
Citation Count Description Disp. Date Disposition
PPD46015055  1  LOCAL CHARGE  11/13/2000  FAILURE TO APPEAR 
 
M-0741-247134  CRAIG B CHERRY  DEFENDANT  06/1975  PEORIA, AZ 85345  Phoenix Municipal 
CRAIG B CHERRY    DEFENDANT  -  D 1  Date of Birth: 06/1975
Citation Count Description Disp. Date Disposition
PPD5452728  1  NO CURRENT REGISTRATION  06/21/2006  JDGMT GUILTY/RESP SENT IMPOSED 
PPD5452728  2  VEHICLE WITHOUT LIABILITY INSURANCE  06/21/2006  JDGMT GUILTY/RESP SENT IMPOSED 
PPD5452728  3  DRIVING W/DL SUSP/REV/CANC FOR DUI  01/18/2000  PLEA GUILTY/RESP SENT IMPOSED 
PPD5452728  4  DRIVING W/DL SUSP/REV FOR FTP OR FTA  07/28/2000  PLEA GUILTY/RESP SENT IMPOSED 
PMC5452728  9  VIOLATION OF PROMISE TO APPEAR  01/18/2000  COMPL DISMISSED BY COURT 
 
M-0741-247126  CRAIG B CHERRY  DEFENDANT   PHOENIX, AZ 85031  Phoenix Municipal


S-0700-CR-2000015220  CRAIG B CHERRY  DEFENDANT  06/1975  PHOENIX, AZ 85033  Maricopa County Superior   
CRAIG B CHERRY    DEFENDANT  -  D 2  Date of Birth: 06/1975
 CLERK OF THE COURT    Unknown  -  ? 3   
 STATE OF ARIZONA    PLAINTIFF  -  P 1   
Case Activity
Date Description Party
05/29/2006  049 - ME: Judgment Signed  D 2 
05/25/2006  ODP - Order of Discharge of Probation  D 2 
05/25/2006  CRR - Criminal Restitution Order  D 2 
04/26/2006  Adult Probation  D 2 
04/26/2006  Adult Probation  P 1 
04/26/2006  Adult Probation   
02/27/2004  BWA - Bench Warrant  D 2 
02/27/2004  580 - ME: Dispo Reinst-Rev Arr/Hrg   
02/20/2004  TCP - Terms & Conditions Of Probation/Money Ordered  D 2 
02/20/2004  Probation Revocation Arraignment Hearing  D 2 
02/20/2004  NRR - Notice Of Rights Of Review  D 2 
02/20/2004  Probation Revocation Arraignment Hearing  P 1 
02/20/2004  Probation Revocation Arraignment Hearing   
02/20/2004  TCP - Terms & Conditions Of Probation/Money Ordered   
01/13/2004  PVW - Probation Violation Warrant  D 2 
01/06/2004  Adult Probation  D 2 
01/06/2004  Adult Probation  P 1 
01/06/2004  Adult Probation   
07/28/2003  PMP - Petition to Modify Condition of Probation/Order  D 2 
07/25/2003  Adult Probation  D 2 
07/25/2003  Adult Probation  P 1 
07/25/2003  Adult Probation   
03/27/2002  DRS - Disposition Report Supplemental   
03/22/2002  BWA - Bench Warrant   
03/20/2002  NRR - Notice Of Rights Of Review   
03/15/2002  TCP - Terms & Conditions Of Probation/Money Ordered  D 2 
03/15/2002  TCP - Terms & Conditions Of Probation/Money Ordered  P 1 
03/15/2002  TCP - Terms & Conditions Of Probation/Money Ordered   
03/13/2002  114 - ME: Dispo-Reinstate   
03/07/2002  Revocation Arraignment Hearing  D 2 
03/07/2002  Prob Reinstated No Jail  D 2 
03/04/2002  BWA - Bench Warrant   
09/24/2001  PVW - Probation Violation Warrant   
06/04/2001  Petition To Modify Probation  D 2 
06/04/2001  PMP - Petition to Modify Condition of Probation/Order   
12/04/2000  DRE - Disposition Report   
11/15/2000  FIN - Financial Information   
11/15/2000  ORC - Order Regarding Counsel   
11/15/2000  ROR - Release Order   
11/15/2000  109 - ME: Sentence - Probation   
11/15/2000  PBA - Pretrial Srvcs Agency Backgrnd   
11/15/2000  RQU - Release Questionnaire   
11/15/2000  PTR - Pretrial Service Recommendation   
11/06/2000  TCP - Terms & Conditions Of Probation/Money Ordered  D 2 
11/06/2000  Sentenced  D 2 
11/06/2000  Edc Sentencing  D 2 
11/06/2000  TCP - Terms & Conditions Of Probation/Money Ordered  P 1 
11/06/2000  NRR - Notice Of Rights Of Review   
11/06/2000  PSR - Presentence Report   
11/06/2000  TCP - Terms & Conditions Of Probation/Money Ordered   
10/17/2000  102 - ME: Waiver Prelim Hrg/Plea   
10/11/2000  INF - Information   
10/10/2000  Original Early Disposition Court  D 2 
10/10/2000  Edc Change Of Plea  D 2 
10/10/2000  WWP - Waiver With a Plea   
10/02/2000  DWL - Defendant/Witness List   
10/02/2000  DCO - Direct Complaint 

M-0750-TR-2000006126  CRAIG BRYAN CHERRY  DEFENDANT  06/1975  PHOENIX, AZ 85033  Peoria Municipal 
CRAIG BRYAN CHERRY    DEFENDANT  -  D 1  Date of Birth: 06/1975
Citation Count Description Disp. Date Disposition
C00058237  1  TWO HEAD LAMPS REQUIRED  03/05/2002  PLEA GUILTY/RESP SENT IMPOSED 
C00058237  2  DRIVE WITH LICENSE SUSPENDED/REVOKED/CANCELLED  03/05/2002  GUILTY 
C00058237  3  NO MANDATORY INSURANCE  03/05/2002  PLEA GUILTY/RESP SENT IMPOSED 
C00058237  4  VIOLATION OF PROMISE TO APPEAR  03/05/2002  GUILTY 
 
M-0741-2395597  CRAIG BRYAN CHERRY  DEFENDANT  06/1975  PHOENIX, 85033  Phoenix Municipal 
CRAIG BRYAN CHERRY    DEFENDANT  -  D 1  Date of Birth: 06/1975
Citation Count Description Disp. Date Disposition
PMC28073  1  VIOLATION OF PROMISE TO APPEAR  11/08/2000  COMPL DISMISSED BY COURT 
PPD5940378  1  DRIVING W/DL SUSP/REV/CANC FOR DUI  06/21/2006  COMPL DISMISSED BY COURT 
PPD5940378  2  DRIVING W/DL SUSP/REV FOR FTP OR FTA  06/21/2006  COMPL DISMISSED BY COURT 
PPD5940378  3  FICTITIOUS REGISTRATION CARD OR PLATE  06/21/2006  COMPL DISMISSED BY COURT 
PPD5940378  4  FAIL TO PRODUCE EVIDENCE OF FIN. RESP.  06/21/2006  JDGMT GUILTY/RESP SENT IMPOSED 
 
S-0700-CR-2000007678  CRAIG BRYAN CHERRY  DEFENDANT  06/1975  PHOENIX, AZ 85032  Maricopa County Superior 
CRAIG BRYAN CHERRY    DEFENDANT  -  D 2  Date of Birth: 06/1975
Citation Count Description Disp. Date Disposition
 1  TAKING IDENTY OF ANOTHER  05/19/2000  * 
 

S-0700-CR-2000007670  CRAIG BRYAN CHERRY  DEFENDANT  06/1975  PHOENIX, AZ 85032  Maricopa County Superior 
CRAIG BRYAN CHERRY    DEFENDANT  -  D 2  Date of Birth: 06/1975
Citation Count Description Disp. Date Disposition
 1  TAKING IDENTY OF ANOTHER  05/19/2000  * 
 
R-0751-PR-2007111650  CRAIG BRYAN CHERRY  DEFENDANT  06/1975  PEORIA, AZ 85345  Scottsdale Municipal 
CRAIG BRYAN CHERRY    DEFENDANT  -  D 1  Date of Birth: 06/1975
Citation Count Description Disp. Date Disposition
D60027383  1  LOCAL CHARGE  03/07/2008  COMPL DISMISSED BY COURT 


 M-0741-3973507  CRAIG BRYAN CHERRY  DEFENDANT  06/1975  PHOENIX, 85033  Phoenix Municipal 
CRAIG BRYAN CHERRY    DEFENDANT  -  D 1  Date of Birth: 06/1975
Citation Count Description Disp. Date Disposition
PPD13896996  1  FICTITIOUS REGISTRATION CARD OR PLATE  04/20/2009  COMPL DISMISSED BY COURT 
PPD13896996  2  NO CURRENT REGISTRATION  04/20/2009  COMPL DISMISSED BY COURT 
PPD13896996  3  FAIL TO PRODUCE EVIDENCE OF FIN. RESP.  04/20/2009  PLEA GUILTY/RESP SENT IMPOSED 
PPD13896996  4  REFUSE TO STOP AT PEACE OFFICER'S SIGNAL  04/20/2009  COMPL DISMISSED BY COURT 
 
M-0761-CT-904073  CRAIG BRYAN CHERRY  DEFENDANT  06/1975  PEORIA, AZ 85345  Surprise Municipal 
CRAIG BRYAN CHERRY    DEFENDANT  -  D 1  Date of Birth: 06/1975
Citation Count Description Disp. Date Disposition
C02003341  1  LAP AND SHOULDER BELTS REQUIRED  04/22/2009  PLEA GUILTY/RESP SENT IMPOSED 
 
J-1107-TR-200903691  CRAIG BRYAN CHERRY  DEFENDANT  06/1975  TORTILLA FLAT, AZ 85190  Apache Junction Justice 
CRAIG BRYAN CHERRY    DEFENDANT  -  D 1  Date of Birth: 06/1975
Citation Count Description Disp. Date Disposition
D00000011250142  1  LOCAL CHARGE  09/23/2009  JDGMT GUILTY/RESP SENT IMPOSED 
D00000011250142  2  DRIVE WITH LICENSE SUSPENDED FOR FTA/FTP  09/23/2009  COMPL DISMISSED BY CTY ATTY 
 
R-0751-PR-2009030158  CRAIG BRYAN CHERRY  DEFENDANT  06/1975  PEORIA, AZ 853455637  Scottsdale Municipal
CRAIG BRYAN CHERRY    DEFENDANT  -  D 1  Date of Birth: 06/1975
Citation Count Description Disp. Date Disposition
NONE  1  LOCAL CHARGE   
Case Activity
Date Description Party
12/11/2009  PR - PERSONAL SERVICE REQUEST  D 1 
12/11/2009  ARRAIGNMENT CONTINUED  D 1 
12/04/2009  CAL: CIVIL DIVISION ARRAIGNMNT  D 1 
12/04/2009  DEFENDANT FAILED TO APPEAR  D 1 
11/05/2009  ARRAIGNMENT SET  D 1 
11/05/2009  COMPLAINT FILED - ELECTRONIC  D 1 

http://apps.supremecourt.az.gov/publicaccess/caselookup.aspx


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 13, 2010, 12:59:46 PM
Has it been said where exactly she was last seen with the baby? I have not read any comments from those who may have worked or stayed at the hotel during her stay, has anyone found anything? 

She was last seen at Raymond Russell Park.  No comments from hotel staff etc that I have found.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: darla on January 13, 2010, 01:00:27 PM
It sure has taken a long time for them to come up with a lousy $5,000 reward. Tammi brags about all of their locations for enema's why don't they put up a reward? 


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 13, 2010, 01:03:34 PM
From FB

Tammi Peters Smith

We had been asking to take that test since New Years Eve and begged them the day before to let us take it! We were told since we had emotions about this that it would either say we lied or inconclusive. We have called numerous times asking 2 take another one,but i guess their not interested!
about an hour ago


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Tracygirl on January 13, 2010, 01:06:14 PM
There has to be parking lot survaliance of her leaving to this park then coming back to the motel. I wonder if she had the baby or not. It seems strange to me no one has come forward with a tale, does it you? No one has a story? A waitress? Another resident at the hotel? A person at a store? nothing? But there is a story of someone spotting her at the park? Who are these people who saw her, do you know?  Have they spoken to the media?


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: darla on January 13, 2010, 01:07:28 PM
From FB

Tammi Peters Smith

We had been asking to take that test since New Years Eve and begged them the day before to let us take it! We were told since we had emotions about this that it would either say we lied or inconclusive. We have called numerous times asking 2 take another one,but i guess their not interested!
about an hour ago


Tammi needs to just shut up. She is another Cindy Anthony .She is loving the attention she is getting. Good for Business I guess.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: darla on January 13, 2010, 01:10:15 PM
There has to be parking lot survaliance of her leaving to this park then coming back to the motel. I wonder if she had the baby or not. It seems strange to me no one has come forward with a tale, does it you? No one has a story? A waitress? Another resident at the hotel? A person at a store? nothing? But there is a story of someone spotting her at the park? Who are these people who saw her, do you know?  Have they spoken to the media?




Tracy, I have been wondering the same thing. The cops say he was seen with her at the park, but I have seen nothing saying who saw her and Gabe . Surely some maid at the hotel seen them or someone at a fast food joint.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: no rose colored glasses on January 13, 2010, 01:13:47 PM
From FB

Tammi Peters Smith

We had been asking to take that test since New Years Eve and begged them the day before to let us take it! We were told since we had emotions about this that it would either say we lied or inconclusive. We have called numerous times asking 2 take another one,but i guess their not interested!
about an hour ago


Tammi needs to just shut up. She is another Cindy Anthony .She is loving the attention she is getting. Good for Business I guess.
And also when you are writing a book.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Searching on January 13, 2010, 01:14:26 PM
From FB

Tammi Peters Smith

We had been asking to take that test since New Years Eve and begged them the day before to let us take it! We were told since we had emotions about this that it would either say we lied or inconclusive. We have called numerous times asking 2 take another one,but i guess their not interested!
about an hour ago


Tammi needs to just shut up. She is another Cindy Anthony .She is loving the attention she is getting. Good for Business I guess.

I have been so very tempted to join her FB and really let her have it as to what I think about her, but I just can not let myself go there.  ::MonkeyMad:: She seems to be playing games with the life of this baby. sad,very sad.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Tracygirl on January 13, 2010, 01:15:46 PM
From FB

Tammi Peters Smith

We had been asking to take that test since New Years Eve and begged them the day before to let us take it! We were told since we had emotions about this that it would either say we lied or inconclusive. We have called numerous times asking 2 take another one,but i guess their not interested!
about an hour ago

What? If this was the case a poly would never be given parents or anyone close to a missing persons case. I wonder if that was even told to them. 


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: mymonkey on January 13, 2010, 01:16:51 PM
From FB

Tammi Peters Smith

We had been asking to take that test since New Years Eve and begged them the day before to let us take it! We were told since we had emotions about this that it would either say we lied or inconclusive. We have called numerous times asking 2 take another one,but i guess their not interested!
about an hour ago


Tammi needs to just shut up. She is another Cindy Anthony .She is loving the attention she is getting. Good for Business I guess.


She makes me nervous with that happy look on her face...I would not let near my rear with a hose...no way Jose!!! ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: mymonkey on January 13, 2010, 01:18:00 PM
From FB

Tammi Peters Smith

We had been asking to take that test since New Years Eve and begged them the day before to let us take it! We were told since we had emotions about this that it would either say we lied or inconclusive. We have called numerous times asking 2 take another one,but i guess their not interested!
about an hour ago


Tammi needs to just shut up. She is another Cindy Anthony .She is loving the attention she is getting. Good for Business I guess.


She makes me nervous with that happy look on her face...I would not let near my rear with a hose...no way Jose!!! ::MonkeyCool::

self edit

I would not let her near my rear with a hose ::MonkeyBike::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: darla on January 13, 2010, 01:31:35 PM
Searching I have been thinking of adding her on FB, but don't want my real name associated with her sorry self.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: lillyfinn on January 13, 2010, 01:37:54 PM
I think that anything the Smiths or Elizabeth have said that were the same are just part of the story. Not the facts. 

We know she actually checked into one hotel, then checked into a second hotel. Tammi/y Smith stated in an inteview Elizabeth was paid up for the week. She assumed this, as this was the plan.

At this point Elizabeth had changed the plan. How could she go through with letting the Smiths adopt Gabriel. Elizabeth originally had told the Smiths she did not want to know anything about them, or about any one that would adopt her son.

This would keep her from times of remorse of giving up her son to easily go and petition him back. Elizabeth developed a relationship with the Smiths. She decided that she had to do something and went along with the plan the Smiths devised. Since Elizabeth was blaming Logan for ruining her life. Did the Smiths help brainwash Elizabeth into believing that Logan was the cause for destroying her. They supported her negativity towards Logan. (All in a means to an end, to get a new baby brother for Hannah Grace.)

Now Elizabeth on her own with Gabriel had time to evaulate the Smiths plan. She decided it would never work out because she would know where Gabriel was, then too she knew she was going to lose custody. The plan seemed like it would fail.

Even during her fits of rage and destruction, she never once hurt her son. She destroyed things. Thinking about that makes you think that during her multiple mood swings at least once she would of harmed him. It has been stated that she did neglect caring for him, changing his diaper, etc. which is very bad but she didn't physically abuse him. Mentally and emotionally is another thing. 

During her time in San Antonio, maybe even Victoria (that info was from a GPS device in the Oldsmobile) Gabriel was given away to someone. As she left San Antonio without him.

The original plan was this was to have happened at Raymond Russell Park, a statement supported by the Smiths. Maybe Elizabeth did go there and act out the part, as per the plan. To be seen doing this to divert where she really gave up Gabriel. This park appears from its' website to have only one entrance / exixt. But was she really there? Since both the Smiths and Elizabeth say this was the park (need a link to these statements)

She was seen with Gabriel at both the hotels she stayed at. (need the link for this)

Then finally she was seen leaving the Motel 6 parking lot without Gabriel. Considering the carrying him in the backpack theory I had and being at the bus station for an hour I can not support this.

The police will get enough evidence to charge the Smiths. We must wait patiently. I see this as happening. Once they are both taken into custody they will each turn on each other. I see Jackie reaming Tammi a new poop shoot.

This maybe why the police believe Gabriel is alive. Plus they really want the Smiths.

Just like the comment Elizabeth posted on her myspace on 12/29/2009:
Kiss my a## suckas!! Not sucker as towards one person i.e. Logan but plural to include both Logan and the Smiths ????

I will be back on this evening. I am on the hunt for everything I can find on the Colon Queen.   


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Tracygirl on January 13, 2010, 01:49:12 PM
Has it been said why she changed hotels?


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: mymonkey on January 13, 2010, 01:49:36 PM
I think that anything the Smiths or Elizabeth have said that were the same are just part of the story. Not the facts. 

We know she actually checked into one hotel, then checked into a second hotel. Tammi/y Smith stated in an inteview Elizabeth was paid up for the week. She assumed this, as this was the plan.

At this point Elizabeth had changed the plan. How could she go through with letting the Smiths adopt Gabriel. Elizabeth originally had told the Smiths she did not want to know anything about them, or about any one that would adopt her son.

This would keep her from times of remorse of giving up her son to easily go and petition him back. Elizabeth developed a relationship with the Smiths. She decided that she had to do something and went along with the plan the Smiths devised. Since Elizabeth was blaming Logan for ruining her life. Did the Smiths help brainwash Elizabeth into believing that Logan was the cause for destroying her. They supported her negativity towards Logan. (All in a means to an end, to get a new baby brother for Hannah Grace.)

Now Elizabeth on her own with Gabriel had time to evaulate the Smiths plan. She decided it would never work out because she would know where Gabriel was, then too she knew she was going to lose custody. The plan seemed like it would fail.

Even during her fits of rage and destruction, she never once hurt her son. She destroyed things. Thinking about that makes you think that during her multiple mood swings at least once she would of harmed him. It has been stated that she did neglect caring for him, changing his diaper, etc. which is very bad but she didn't physically abuse him. Mentally and emotionally is another thing. 

During her time in San Antonio, maybe even Victoria (that info was from a GPS device in the Oldsmobile) Gabriel was given away to someone. As she left San Antonio without him.

The original plan was this was to have happened at Raymond Russell Park, a statement supported by the Smiths. Maybe Elizabeth did go there and act out the part, as per the plan. To be seen doing this to divert where she really gave up Gabriel. This park appears from its' website to have only one entrance / exixt. But was she really there? Since both the Smiths and Elizabeth say this was the park (need a link to these statements)

She was seen with Gabriel at both the hotels she stayed at. (need the link for this)

Then finally she was seen leaving the Motel 6 parking lot without Gabriel. Considering the carrying him in the backpack theory I had and being at the bus station for an hour I can not support this.




This maybe why the police believe Gabriel is alive. Plus they really want the Smiths.

Just like the comment Elizabeth posted on her myspace on 12/29/2009:
Kiss my a## suckas!! Not sucker as towards one person i.e. Logan but plural to include both Logan and the Smiths ????

I will be back on this evening. I am on the hunt for everything I can find on the Colon Queen.   


I have thought maybe Jack was not aware of all the planning and plotting Tammi was up to and is finding out as he goes.....when he made the statement....".Nashville is beautiful."....I thought to myself this guy does not have a clue who his wife is!!!


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Monkey with Class on January 13, 2010, 02:06:00 PM
Now that we have an reward, you would like we would have seen an Amber Alert for Gabriel. 


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: klaasend on January 13, 2010, 02:06:01 PM
From FB

Tammi Peters Smith

We had been asking to take that test since New Years Eve and begged them the day before to let us take it! We were told since we had emotions about this that it would either say we lied or inconclusive. We have called numerous times asking 2 take another one,but i guess their not interested!
about an hour ago

What? If this was the case a poly would never be given parents or anyone close to a missing persons case. I wonder if that was even told to them. 

Which emotion?  Fear that you will be found out for the lying POS you are?


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Monkey with Class on January 13, 2010, 02:07:49 PM
I need to start proof reading.  LOL  Now that we have a $5000 reward, you would think we would see an Amber Alert by now.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: darla on January 13, 2010, 02:15:49 PM
Tracy , I have been here since the first day...and have seen no concrete proof that she stayed at  two different hotels. The cops brought it up and named two different hotels but nothing saying for sure. Then Elizabeth said she spent three days with this couple at their house. I have also not seen or heard anything about a plan between Tammi and EJ to hand the baby over in the park. There are few facts released by the cops.  There is a discrepancy on the bus times also. I have called 17 different bus terminals for Tornado bus lines The bus leaves San Antonio at noon everyday to go to FT. Myers, Florida . Houston is their hub. Also was told by every terminal agent that the cost of the ticket was 170.00, But with taxes or whatever it could be $180.00

Also it was either yesterday or the day before that Victoria, Tx   was cleared as a place she had been. Something about the cell phone pings. So we dropped that as a place of interest.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: darla on January 13, 2010, 02:18:45 PM
From FB

Tammi Peters Smith

We had been asking to take that test since New Years Eve and begged them the day before to let us take it! We were told since we had emotions about this that it would either say we lied or inconclusive. We have called numerous times asking 2 take another one,but i guess their not interested!
about an hour ago

What? If this was the case a poly would never be given parents or anyone close to a missing persons case. I wonder if that was even told to them. 

Which emotion?  Fear that you will be found out for the lying POS you are?





Well if that is the case all of us would probably fail it as we have emotions on this case. That woman is FOS up to her eyebrows.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 13, 2010, 02:29:26 PM
$5,000 reward offered for safe return of missing toddler

TEMPE, AZ -- Police say a reward of up to $5,000 is being offered for the safe return of a Tempe toddler who disappeared with his mother late last month.

The reward is being offered through Crime Stoppers in San Antonio, Texas.

Anyone with information about 8-month-old Gabriel Johnson, who went missing with his mother, Elizabeth, can call Crime Stoppers at 210-224-STOP or online at http://www.sacrimestoppers.com/. 

Tempe police officials say detectives were in San Antonio this week where a missing person investigation has been officially opened to find the little boy.

The mother at the center of the national case was extradited to Phoenix from Florida last week.

Elizabeth was arrested last month in Miami and according to the Maricopa County Sheriff's Office, she was booked into an Arizona jail on charges of custodial interference and kidnapping.

Her cash-only bond is set at $1,100,000.


MORE...

http://www.abc15.com/content/news/southeastvalley/tempe/story/5-000-reward-offered-for-safe-return-of-missing/xgsbK2cK80iD5ZWBC0ifjg.cspx


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Tracygirl on January 13, 2010, 02:36:47 PM
Geraldo did a small piece on Gabriel last night.  The police from San Antonio said that they know she was trying to give away, adopt out and sell Gabriel when she was there.  They are not sure if she succeeded. 
Wow, I sure hope that and he is still alive, surely if this is what happened, someone will see a person/couple with Gabriel and call the police.

There is a video here with a phone interview of a woman who says she was trying to adopt Gabriel. 

http://www.foxsanantonio.com/newsroom/top_stories/videos/vid_863.shtml

Remember this from January 3rd? Tammi sure has changed her story around. She went from saying she ran to protect the baby to her being "duped".
 


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: darla on January 13, 2010, 02:43:27 PM
Here is the post about Victoria Tx.

Finally a news article from Victoria Texas!!!   

Search continues for 8 month-old, but not in Victoria

Tempe, Ariz. police department continue search for 8 month old, Gabriel Johnson with San Antonio police department.

Despite initial reports, Tempe police said the baby's mother Elizabeth Johnson has not been in Victoria.

"We are looking at data of where she went and that does not seem to be accurate," said Kim Hale, commander for the Tempe police department, of rumors of Victoria being a possible location of where the child could be.

Sgt. Steve Carbajal, media relations for Tempe Police, said the case started on Dec. 27 when the baby's father, Logan McQueary, contacted police after receiving threats from Johnson toward the son.

Hale said the last sighting of the child was with his mother in San Antonio.

The 8-month-old's mother was arrested in Florida on Dec. 30, but has not been helpful to police, Hale said.

MORE....

http://www.victoriaadvocate.com/news/2010/jan/11/lv_missingbaby_011210_81170/?news&local-news


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 13, 2010, 02:44:04 PM
$5,000 Reward Offered for Information about Missing Baby (With video)

PHOENIX - A reward of $5,000 is now being offered for information that leads to the return of a missing baby from Tempe.

The baby's mother, Elizabeth Johnson, is in a Phoenix jail.  She's not talking.

Here's another interesting twist in the story:  Before fleeing Arizona, Johnson filed a petition seeking paternity tests.  Both for 8-month-old Gabriel Johnson's father, Logan McQueary and another man, Craig Cherry.

There is an unusual connection between Cherry and the Scottsdale couple, Jack and Tammy Smith who wanted to adopt Gabriel.

"Craig Cherry did not know Elizabeth, he is not the father of the child according to Craig.  And a matter of fact Craig revealed to us that he is a blood relative of Tammy Smith." said Kim Hale of the Tempe Police Department.

Tempe police believe the Smiths have not told them everything they know about the missing boy.

http://www.myfoxphoenix.com/dpp/news/local/phoenix/missing_baby_011310


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: SuzieQ on January 13, 2010, 02:44:16 PM
I belong to Ancestry.com. All but one of the Craig Cherry's they have is Craig V. Cherry born July 1954. (Could be Craig B. Cherry's dad). The only one listed as just Craig Cherry has an address from 1992, and that is all they have for him. Even if it is Craig B., I doubt if it is his address now.
If anyone needs anything looked up, let me know, I'll be glad to do it.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 13, 2010, 02:49:57 PM
They asked for random drug testing as well as paternity   ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: darla on January 13, 2010, 02:57:16 PM
Susie Q see what you can find On Nicole Smith Warford, or Nicole Smith Blank or Nicki Blank.


One reason Elizabeth is hell bent on Logan not having Gabriel is she would more than likely have to pay child support.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: darla on January 13, 2010, 03:00:19 PM
Also try Ron and Vicki Blank and a John Blank


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 13, 2010, 03:03:40 PM
 ::MonkeyEek::  FB


Poster:
 Im not accusing or taking sides. Im just curious about the court documents they found. why were u all talkin to this janet person who has been accused of illeaglly strippin rights in the past?? And why is hannah's father sayin u all did this to him? can it all really be that big of a coincedence?

Tammi Peters Smith

OMG, that's really wierd! I had a baby about to be born 4 days after we got Gabriel that we were set up to start the adoption process with through Agape Adoption Agency and then all this happened and the other family asked us for money, but we weren't going to do anything against the law, so we told them we couldn't adopt their baby! Now we are dealing with this, all because we DID do the right thing according to what we were told!
46 minutes ago

Tammi Peters Smith

 You can call Pam Young with the Tennessee DCS...We did not have to work to get Hannah's (supposed) birth father's rights away!Hannah was placed in our custody through DCS @ 4 mo.old, when she was about 1 1/2 he came out of the woodwork.The judge gave him about 5 things to do and he did none of them and we never heard from him again!When ... See Moreshe was became elegable for adoption, the courts tried to find him with no luck and his rights were taken away! BTW, he did not sign the birth certificate and we found out after the adoption that they were never legally married anyway.About Janet, I did not know that about her! And she called to beg her to come back here to go to court!
36 minutes ago


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 13, 2010, 03:06:25 PM
Missing Baby Gabriel: Mom Falsely Named Tammi Smith's 1st Cousin Possible Bio Dad


http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/2585339/missing_baby_gabriel_mom_falsely_named.html?cat=25


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 13, 2010, 03:08:32 PM
Missing Baby Gabriel Mystery- Bare Bones of Mom Johnson's Fishy Story W/ Beefy Questions

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/2581645/missing_baby_gabriel_mystery_bare_bones.html?cat=25


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: no rose colored glasses on January 13, 2010, 03:10:38 PM
Who is watching Hannah? With all these tv interviews, and Tammi on her FB all the time, I was just wondering where the little one was in all this?


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Searching on January 13, 2010, 03:14:37 PM
Searching I have been thinking of adding her on FB, but don't want my real name associated with her sorry self.
That is another reason I haven't.lol and a good one too.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 13, 2010, 03:15:12 PM
From FB

Tammi Peters Smith

We had been asking to take that test since New Years Eve and begged them the day before to let us take it! We were told since we had emotions about this that it would either say we lied or inconclusive. We have called numerous times asking 2 take another one,but i guess their not interested!
about an hour ago


Tammi needs to just shut up. She is another Cindy Anthony .She is loving the attention she is getting. Good for Business I guess.

Darla ... I hope that Tammi does not shut up.  Every time she opens her month ... she contradicts herself.  Lies are meant to cover the truth.  What truth/s are Tammi covering?

Could it be that Nancy Grace has not been duped by Tammi and Jack Smith?  Could it be that she is playing along ... being careful not to isolate ... letting them dig themselves deeper and deeper into that stuff ... that stuff that supported their lifestyle at one time ... with their own words?

Janet


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: darla on January 13, 2010, 03:31:41 PM
Janet, I know what you mean, they are like the Anthony's they are just digging their hole a bit deeper everyday.

I just wish they could find lil Gabriel.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: seahorse on January 13, 2010, 03:53:26 PM
I belong to Ancestry.com. All but one of the Craig Cherry's they have is Craig V. Cherry born July 1954. (Could be Craig B. Cherry's dad). The only one listed as just Craig Cherry has an address from 1992, and that is all they have for him. Even if it is Craig B., I doubt if it is his address now.
If anyone needs anything looked up, let me know, I'll be glad to do it.

You are wonderful, SuzieQ,

I am going to use 1992 as birth date when I dig.

Thank-You


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: darla on January 13, 2010, 03:59:29 PM
Seahorse if you are digging for Craig Cherry, his birthday should be listed on his rap sheets that were psoted a page or two back. The 1992 date would only make him 17.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Tracygirl on January 13, 2010, 04:02:16 PM
::MonkeyEek::  FB


Poster:
 Im not accusing or taking sides. Im just curious about the court documents they found. why were u all talkin to this janet person who has been accused of illeaglly strippin rights in the past?? And why is hannah's father sayin u all did this to him? can it all really be that big of a coincedence?

Tammi Peters Smith

OMG, that's really wierd! I had a baby about to be born 4 days after we got Gabriel that we were set up to start the adoption process with through Agape Adoption Agency and then all this happened and the other family asked us for money, but we weren't going to do anything against the law, so we told them we couldn't adopt their baby! Now we are dealing with this, all because we DID do the right thing according to what we were told!
46 minutes ago

Tammi Peters Smith

 You can call Pam Young with the Tennessee DCS...We did not have to work to get Hannah's (supposed) birth father's rights away!Hannah was placed in our custody through DCS @ 4 mo.old, when she was about 1 1/2 he came out of the woodwork.The judge gave him about 5 things to do and he did none of them and we never heard from him again!When ... See Moreshe was became elegable for adoption, the courts tried to find him with no luck and his rights were taken away! BTW, he did not sign the birth certificate and we found out after the adoption that they were never legally married anyway.About Janet, I did not know that about her! And she called to beg her to come back here to go to court!
36 minutes ago

This lady really has issues with males, especially father figures. I would assume it has to do with her own abuse she supposedly suffered as a child she has written about. What she needs to realize is sometimes it is mothers who abuse and it is fathers who protect. From everything I have read what she herself has written and what has been written about her, she is a very sick woman in need of help, jmo.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: seahorse on January 13, 2010, 04:16:48 PM
Seahorse if you are digging for Craig Cherry, his birthday should be listed on his rap sheets that were psoted a page or two back. The 1992 date would only make him 17.

Thank-you, Darla, I will look backwards.

Natisha Lance(NG Producer) just stated on HLN that she had spoken to people at the hotel who said that EJ checked in there with a different name and had a Texas, ID.
I have been gleaning ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Mere on January 13, 2010, 04:16:50 PM
Just my opinion....but I think enema lady can lie often and in a flash (like a pathological liar).....and change the stories as soon as she needs to cover herself.

I hope she continues to talk with NG and anyone in the press...where she is recorded.  The more she talks, the more we learn.

Was there a definite sighting - by real people - in the park in San Antonio?
Tried to find it....but so far, I can't find who reported that.

Thanks to all who are providing information.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: seahorse on January 13, 2010, 04:23:08 PM
M-0751-CR-200004964  CRAIG CHERRY  DEFENDANT  06/1975  PEORIA, AZ 85345  Scottsdale Municipal 
CRAIG CHERRY    DEFENDANT  -  D 1  Date of Birth: 06/1975
Citation Count Description Disp. Date Disposition
X00000131  1  FALSE REPORT TO LAW ENFORCE  09/25/2000  JDGMT GUILTY/RESP SENT IMPOSED 
X00000131  2  DRIVE WITH LICENSE SUSPENDED/REVOKED/CANCELLED  09/25/2000  JDGMT GUILTY/RESP SENT IMPOSED 
X00000131  3  DRIVE WITH LICENSE SUSPENDED FOR FTA/FTP  09/25/2000  JDGMT GUILTY/RESP SENT IMPOSED 
 

S-0700-CR-2005104079  CRAIG CHERRY  DEFENDANT  06/1954  PHOENIX, AZ  Maricopa County Superior 
CRAIG CHERRY    DEFENDANT  -  D 2  Date of Birth: 06/1954
Citation Count Description Disp. Date Disposition
 1  NARCOTIC DRUG VIOLATION   
 
M-0741-247127  CRAIG B CHERRY  DEFENDANT   PHOENIX, AZ 85031  Phoenix Municipal 
CRAIG B CHERRY    DEFENDANT  -  D 1   
Citation Count Description Disp. Date Disposition
PPD1813099  1  LOCAL CHARGE  02/24/2007  PLEA GUILTY/RESP SENT IMPOSED 
 
M-0741-2401266  CRAIG B CHERRY  DEFENDANT   PHOENIX, AZ 85031  Phoenix Municipal 
CRAIG B CHERRY    DEFENDANT  -  D 1   
Citation Count Description Disp. Date Disposition
PPD46015055  1  LOCAL CHARGE  11/13/2000  FAILURE TO APPEAR 
 
M-0741-247134  CRAIG B CHERRY  DEFENDANT  06/1975  PEORIA, AZ 85345  Phoenix Municipal 
CRAIG B CHERRY    DEFENDANT  -  D 1  Date of Birth: 06/1975
Citation Count Description Disp. Date Disposition
PPD5452728  1  NO CURRENT REGISTRATION  06/21/2006  JDGMT GUILTY/RESP SENT IMPOSED 
PPD5452728  2  VEHICLE WITHOUT LIABILITY INSURANCE  06/21/2006  JDGMT GUILTY/RESP SENT IMPOSED 
PPD5452728  3  DRIVING W/DL SUSP/REV/CANC FOR DUI  01/18/2000  PLEA GUILTY/RESP SENT IMPOSED 
PPD5452728  4  DRIVING W/DL SUSP/REV FOR FTP OR FTA  07/28/2000  PLEA GUILTY/RESP SENT IMPOSED 
PMC5452728  9  VIOLATION OF PROMISE TO APPEAR  01/18/2000  COMPL DISMISSED BY COURT 
 
M-0741-247126  CRAIG B CHERRY  DEFENDANT   PHOENIX, AZ 85031  Phoenix Municipal


S-0700-CR-2000015220  CRAIG B CHERRY  DEFENDANT  06/1975  PHOENIX, AZ 85033  Maricopa County Superior   
CRAIG B CHERRY    DEFENDANT  -  D 2  Date of Birth: 06/1975
 CLERK OF THE COURT    Unknown  -  ? 3   
 STATE OF ARIZONA    PLAINTIFF  -  P 1   
Case Activity
Date Description Party
05/29/2006  049 - ME: Judgment Signed  D 2 
05/25/2006  ODP - Order of Discharge of Probation  D 2 
05/25/2006  CRR - Criminal Restitution Order  D 2 
04/26/2006  Adult Probation  D 2 
04/26/2006  Adult Probation  P 1 
04/26/2006  Adult Probation   
02/27/2004  BWA - Bench Warrant  D 2 
02/27/2004  580 - ME: Dispo Reinst-Rev Arr/Hrg   
02/20/2004  TCP - Terms & Conditions Of Probation/Money Ordered  D 2 
02/20/2004  Probation Revocation Arraignment Hearing  D 2 
02/20/2004  NRR - Notice Of Rights Of Review  D 2 
02/20/2004  Probation Revocation Arraignment Hearing  P 1 
02/20/2004  Probation Revocation Arraignment Hearing   
02/20/2004  TCP - Terms & Conditions Of Probation/Money Ordered   
01/13/2004  PVW - Probation Violation Warrant  D 2 
01/06/2004  Adult Probation  D 2 
01/06/2004  Adult Probation  P 1 
01/06/2004  Adult Probation   
07/28/2003  PMP - Petition to Modify Condition of Probation/Order  D 2 
07/25/2003  Adult Probation  D 2 
07/25/2003  Adult Probation  P 1 
07/25/2003  Adult Probation   
03/27/2002  DRS - Disposition Report Supplemental   
03/22/2002  BWA - Bench Warrant   
03/20/2002  NRR - Notice Of Rights Of Review   
03/15/2002  TCP - Terms & Conditions Of Probation/Money Ordered  D 2 
03/15/2002  TCP - Terms & Conditions Of Probation/Money Ordered  P 1 
03/15/2002  TCP - Terms & Conditions Of Probation/Money Ordered   
03/13/2002  114 - ME: Dispo-Reinstate   
03/07/2002  Revocation Arraignment Hearing  D 2 
03/07/2002  Prob Reinstated No Jail  D 2 
03/04/2002  BWA - Bench Warrant   
09/24/2001  PVW - Probation Violation Warrant   
06/04/2001  Petition To Modify Probation  D 2 
06/04/2001  PMP - Petition to Modify Condition of Probation/Order   
12/04/2000  DRE - Disposition Report   
11/15/2000  FIN - Financial Information   
11/15/2000  ORC - Order Regarding Counsel   
11/15/2000  ROR - Release Order   
11/15/2000  109 - ME: Sentence - Probation   
11/15/2000  PBA - Pretrial Srvcs Agency Backgrnd   
11/15/2000  RQU - Release Questionnaire   
11/15/2000  PTR - Pretrial Service Recommendation   
11/06/2000  TCP - Terms & Conditions Of Probation/Money Ordered  D 2 
11/06/2000  Sentenced  D 2 
11/06/2000  Edc Sentencing  D 2 
11/06/2000  TCP - Terms & Conditions Of Probation/Money Ordered  P 1 
11/06/2000  NRR - Notice Of Rights Of Review   
11/06/2000  PSR - Presentence Report   
11/06/2000  TCP - Terms & Conditions Of Probation/Money Ordered   
10/17/2000  102 - ME: Waiver Prelim Hrg/Plea   
10/11/2000  INF - Information   
10/10/2000  Original Early Disposition Court  D 2 
10/10/2000  Edc Change Of Plea  D 2 
10/10/2000  WWP - Waiver With a Plea   
10/02/2000  DWL - Defendant/Witness List   
10/02/2000  DCO - Direct Complaint 

M-0750-TR-2000006126  CRAIG BRYAN CHERRY  DEFENDANT  06/1975  PHOENIX, AZ 85033  Peoria Municipal 
CRAIG BRYAN CHERRY    DEFENDANT  -  D 1  Date of Birth: 06/1975
Citation Count Description Disp. Date Disposition
C00058237  1  TWO HEAD LAMPS REQUIRED  03/05/2002  PLEA GUILTY/RESP SENT IMPOSED 
C00058237  2  DRIVE WITH LICENSE SUSPENDED/REVOKED/CANCELLED  03/05/2002  GUILTY 
C00058237  3  NO MANDATORY INSURANCE  03/05/2002  PLEA GUILTY/RESP SENT IMPOSED 
C00058237  4  VIOLATION OF PROMISE TO APPEAR  03/05/2002  GUILTY 
 
M-0741-2395597  CRAIG BRYAN CHERRY  DEFENDANT  06/1975  PHOENIX, 85033  Phoenix Municipal 
CRAIG BRYAN CHERRY    DEFENDANT  -  D 1  Date of Birth: 06/1975
Citation Count Description Disp. Date Disposition
PMC28073  1  VIOLATION OF PROMISE TO APPEAR  11/08/2000  COMPL DISMISSED BY COURT 
PPD5940378  1  DRIVING W/DL SUSP/REV/CANC FOR DUI  06/21/2006  COMPL DISMISSED BY COURT 
PPD5940378  2  DRIVING W/DL SUSP/REV FOR FTP OR FTA  06/21/2006  COMPL DISMISSED BY COURT 
PPD5940378  3  FICTITIOUS REGISTRATION CARD OR PLATE  06/21/2006  COMPL DISMISSED BY COURT 
PPD5940378  4  FAIL TO PRODUCE EVIDENCE OF FIN. RESP.  06/21/2006  JDGMT GUILTY/RESP SENT IMPOSED 
 
S-0700-CR-2000007678  CRAIG BRYAN CHERRY  DEFENDANT  06/1975  PHOENIX, AZ 85032  Maricopa County Superior 
CRAIG BRYAN CHERRY    DEFENDANT  -  D 2  Date of Birth: 06/1975
Citation Count Description Disp. Date Disposition
 1  TAKING IDENTY OF ANOTHER  05/19/2000  * 
 

S-0700-CR-2000007670  CRAIG BRYAN CHERRY  DEFENDANT  06/1975  PHOENIX, AZ 85032  Maricopa County Superior 
CRAIG BRYAN CHERRY    DEFENDANT  -  D 2  Date of Birth: 06/1975
Citation Count Description Disp. Date Disposition
 1  TAKING IDENTY OF ANOTHER  05/19/2000  * 
 
R-0751-PR-2007111650  CRAIG BRYAN CHERRY  DEFENDANT  06/1975  PEORIA, AZ 85345  Scottsdale Municipal 
CRAIG BRYAN CHERRY    DEFENDANT  -  D 1  Date of Birth: 06/1975
Citation Count Description Disp. Date Disposition
D60027383  1  LOCAL CHARGE  03/07/2008  COMPL DISMISSED BY COURT 


 M-0741-3973507  CRAIG BRYAN CHERRY  DEFENDANT  06/1975  PHOENIX, 85033  Phoenix Municipal 
CRAIG BRYAN CHERRY    DEFENDANT  -  D 1  Date of Birth: 06/1975
Citation Count Description Disp. Date Disposition
PPD13896996  1  FICTITIOUS REGISTRATION CARD OR PLATE  04/20/2009  COMPL DISMISSED BY COURT 
PPD13896996  2  NO CURRENT REGISTRATION  04/20/2009  COMPL DISMISSED BY COURT 
PPD13896996  3  FAIL TO PRODUCE EVIDENCE OF FIN. RESP.  04/20/2009  PLEA GUILTY/RESP SENT IMPOSED 
PPD13896996  4  REFUSE TO STOP AT PEACE OFFICER'S SIGNAL  04/20/2009  COMPL DISMISSED BY COURT 
 
M-0761-CT-904073  CRAIG BRYAN CHERRY  DEFENDANT  06/1975  PEORIA, AZ 85345  Surprise Municipal 
CRAIG BRYAN CHERRY    DEFENDANT  -  D 1  Date of Birth: 06/1975
Citation Count Description Disp. Date Disposition
C02003341  1  LAP AND SHOULDER BELTS REQUIRED  04/22/2009  PLEA GUILTY/RESP SENT IMPOSED 
 
J-1107-TR-200903691  CRAIG BRYAN CHERRY  DEFENDANT  06/1975  TORTILLA FLAT, AZ 85190  Apache Junction Justice 
CRAIG BRYAN CHERRY    DEFENDANT  -  D 1  Date of Birth: 06/1975
Citation Count Description Disp. Date Disposition
D00000011250142  1  LOCAL CHARGE  09/23/2009  JDGMT GUILTY/RESP SENT IMPOSED 
D00000011250142  2  DRIVE WITH LICENSE SUSPENDED FOR FTA/FTP  09/23/2009  COMPL DISMISSED BY CTY ATTY 
 
R-0751-PR-2009030158  CRAIG BRYAN CHERRY  DEFENDANT  06/1975  PEORIA, AZ 853455637  Scottsdale Municipal
CRAIG BRYAN CHERRY    DEFENDANT  -  D 1  Date of Birth: 06/1975
Citation Count Description Disp. Date Disposition
NONE  1  LOCAL CHARGE   
Case Activity
Date Description Party
12/11/2009  PR - PERSONAL SERVICE REQUEST  D 1 
12/11/2009  ARRAIGNMENT CONTINUED  D 1 
12/04/2009  CAL: CIVIL DIVISION ARRAIGNMNT  D 1 
12/04/2009  DEFENDANT FAILED TO APPEAR  D 1 
11/05/2009  ARRAIGNMENT SET  D 1 
11/05/2009  COMPLAINT FILED - ELECTRONIC  D 1 

http://apps.supremecourt.az.gov/publicaccess/caselookup.aspx



No Rose,

Has it been confirmed that this TS first cousin? He does resemble Tammi. There is also another Craig Cherry born 1992.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Mere on January 13, 2010, 04:24:02 PM
Well now I am not sure about which one.....but surely she does not tell the truth for
very long....if at all.  and this is only my opinion.


What is the Difference Between a Pathological, a Compulsive, a Chronic, and a Habitual Liar?

Pathological Liar


A pathological liar is usually defined as someone who lies incessantly to get their way and does so with little concern for others. Pathological lying is often viewed as coping mechanism developed in early childhood and it is often associated with some other type of mental health disorder. A pathological liar is often goal-oriented (i.e., lying is focused - it is done to get one's way). Pathological liars have little regard or respect for the rights and feelings of others. A pathological liar often comes across as being manipulative, cunning and self-centered.


Compulsive Liar


A compulsive liar is defined as someone who lies out of habit. Lying is their normal and reflexive way of responding to questions. Compulsive liars bend the truth about everything, large and small. For a compulsive liar, telling the truth is very awkward and uncomfortable while lying feels right. Compulsive lying is usually thought to develop in early childhood, due to being placed in an environment where lying was necessary. For the most part, compulsive liars are not overly manipulative and cunning (see, Pathological Liar), rather they simply lie out of habit - an automatic response which is hard to break and one that takes its toll on a relationship (see, how to cope with a compulsive liar).



more.......

http://www.truthaboutdeception.com/confront_a_liar/public/pathological-compulsive.html


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: darla on January 13, 2010, 04:41:21 PM
::MonkeyEek::  FB


snipped:
Tammi Peters Smith

OMG, that's really wierd! I had a baby about to be born 4 days after we got Gabriel that we were set up to start the adoption process with through Agape Adoption Agency and then all this happened and the other family asked us for money, but we weren't going to do anything against the law, so we told them we couldn't adopt their baby! Now we are dealing with this, all because we DID do the right thing according to what we were told!
46 minutes ago



And why would giving them money be any different than them trying to pay a surrogate?



Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: no rose colored glasses on January 13, 2010, 04:46:43 PM
::MonkeyEek::  FB


snipped:
Tammi Peters Smith

OMG, that's really wierd! I had a baby about to be born 4 days after we got Gabriel that we were set up to start the adoption process with through Agape Adoption Agency and then all this happened and the other family asked us for money, but we weren't going to do anything against the law, so we told them we couldn't adopt their baby! Now we are dealing with this, all because we DID do the right thing according to what we were told!
46 minutes ago



And why would giving them money be any different than them trying to pay a surrogate?


I was reading on WS, that on Tammi's FB, there was something about the Smiths getting a baby with down syndrome, I was wondering if that is true where did that little baby go? Did anyone else see anything like that? Am wondering if that is the baby she is talking about in the above post? It must be, but with this woman who knows?  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: no rose colored glasses on January 13, 2010, 05:17:29 PM
According to Natisha on HLN, EJ's grandfather says her public defender is telling her to stay silent. Also Tammi is at the jail waiting to talk too Elizabeth  ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: seahorse on January 13, 2010, 05:18:16 PM
http://pokey.typepad.com/blog/2010/01/january-13-2010-the-way-it-should-be.htmlJanuary 13, 2010 The Way It Should Be



SHERIFF JOE IS AT IT AGAIN!

You all remember Sheriff Joe Arpaio of Arizona, who painted the jail cells pink and made the inmates wear pink prison garb.

snip...

The best part?   His budget for the entire department is now under $3 million.   Teresa and I adopted a Weimaraner from a  Maricopa County shelter two years ago.   He was neutered, and current on all shots, in great health, and even had a microchip inserted the day we got him.   Cost us $78.

The prisoners get the benefit of about $0.28 an hour for working, but most would work for free, just to be out of their cells for the day.   Most of his budget is for utilities, building maintenance, etc.   He pays the prisoners out of the fees collected for adopted animals.

I have long wondered when the rest of the country would take a look at the way he runs the jail system, and copy some of his ideas.   He has a huge farm, donated to the county years ago, where inmates can work, and they grow most of their own fresh vegetables and food, doing all the work and harvesting by hand.

He has a pretty good sized hog farm, which provides meat, and fertilizer.   It fertilizes the Christmas tree nursery, where prisoners work, and you can buy a living Christmas tree for $6 - $8 for the holidays, and plant it later.   We have six trees in our yard from the Prison.

Yup, he was re-elected last year with 83% of the vote.


snip...

TO THOSE OF YOU NOT FAMILIAR WITH JOE ARPAIO HE IS THE MARICOPA ARIZONA COUNTY SHERIFF AND HE KEEPS GETTING ELECTED OVER AND OVER.   THIS IS ONE OF THE REASONS WHY:

Sheriff Joe Arpaio (in Arizona ), who created the 'Tent City Jail':  he has jail meals down to 40 cents a serving and charges the inmates for them.

He stopped smoking and porno magazines in the jails.   Took away their weights.   Cut off all but 'G' rated movies.

He started chain gangs so the inmates could do free work on county and city projects.

Then he started chain gangs for women so he wouldn't get sued for discrimination.

He took away cable TV until he found out there was a Federal Court Order that required cable TV for jails so he hooked up the cable TV again;  only let in the Disney Channel and the Weather Channel.

When asked why the Weather Channel he replied, “So they will know how hot it's gonna be while they are working on my Chain Gangs.”

He cut off coffee since it has zero nutritional value.   When the inmates complained, he told them “This isn't the Ritz/Carlton......if you don't like it, don't come back!”


More On The Arizona Sheriff:

With temperatures being even hotter than usual in Phoenix (116 degrees just set a new record), the Associated Press reports:  About 2,000 inmates living in a barbed-wire-surrounded tent encampment at the Maricopa County Jail have been given permission to strip down to their government-issued pink boxer shorts.

On Wednesday, hundreds of men wearing boxers were either curled up on their bunk beds or chatted in the tents, which reached 138 degrees inside the week before.

Many were also swathed in wet, pink towels as sweat collected on their chests and dripped down to their PINK SOCKS.

“It feels like we are in a furnace”, said James Zanzot, an inmate who has lived in the TENTS for 1 year.   “It's Inhumane.”

Joe Arpaio, the tough-guy sheriff who created the tent city and long ago started making his prisoners wear pink and eat bologna sandwiches, is not one bit sympathetic.   He said Wednesday that he told all of the inmates:  “It's 120 degrees in Iraq and our soldiers are living in tents too, and they have to wear full battle gear, but they didn't commit any crimes, so shut your mouths!”

Way to go, Sheriff!

Maybe if all prisons were like this one there would be a lot less crime and/or repeat offenders.   Criminals should be punished for their crimes - not live in luxury until it's time for their parole, only to go out and commit another crime so they can get back in to live on taxpayers’ money and enjoy things taxpayers can't afford to have for themselves.

snip...


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 13, 2010, 05:20:34 PM
M-0751-CR-200004964  CRAIG CHERRY  DEFENDANT  06/1975  PEORIA, AZ 85345  Scottsdale Municipal 
CRAIG CHERRY    DEFENDANT  -  D 1  Date of Birth: 06/1975
Citation Count Description Disp. Date Disposition
X00000131  1  FALSE REPORT TO LAW ENFORCE  09/25/2000  JDGMT GUILTY/RESP SENT IMPOSED 
X00000131  2  DRIVE WITH LICENSE SUSPENDED/REVOKED/CANCELLED  09/25/2000  JDGMT GUILTY/RESP SENT IMPOSED 
X00000131  3  DRIVE WITH LICENSE SUSPENDED FOR FTA/FTP  09/25/2000  JDGMT GUILTY/RESP SENT IMPOSED 
 

S-0700-CR-2005104079  CRAIG CHERRY  DEFENDANT  06/1954  PHOENIX, AZ  Maricopa County Superior 
CRAIG CHERRY    DEFENDANT  -  D 2  Date of Birth: 06/1954
Citation Count Description Disp. Date Disposition
 1  NARCOTIC DRUG VIOLATION   
 
M-0741-247127  CRAIG B CHERRY  DEFENDANT   PHOENIX, AZ 85031  Phoenix Municipal 
CRAIG B CHERRY    DEFENDANT  -  D 1   
Citation Count Description Disp. Date Disposition
PPD1813099  1  LOCAL CHARGE  02/24/2007  PLEA GUILTY/RESP SENT IMPOSED 
 
M-0741-2401266  CRAIG B CHERRY  DEFENDANT   PHOENIX, AZ 85031  Phoenix Municipal 
CRAIG B CHERRY    DEFENDANT  -  D 1   
Citation Count Description Disp. Date Disposition
PPD46015055  1  LOCAL CHARGE  11/13/2000  FAILURE TO APPEAR 
 
M-0741-247134  CRAIG B CHERRY  DEFENDANT  06/1975  PEORIA, AZ 85345  Phoenix Municipal 
CRAIG B CHERRY    DEFENDANT  -  D 1  Date of Birth: 06/1975
Citation Count Description Disp. Date Disposition
PPD5452728  1  NO CURRENT REGISTRATION  06/21/2006  JDGMT GUILTY/RESP SENT IMPOSED 
PPD5452728  2  VEHICLE WITHOUT LIABILITY INSURANCE  06/21/2006  JDGMT GUILTY/RESP SENT IMPOSED 
PPD5452728  3  DRIVING W/DL SUSP/REV/CANC FOR DUI  01/18/2000  PLEA GUILTY/RESP SENT IMPOSED 
PPD5452728  4  DRIVING W/DL SUSP/REV FOR FTP OR FTA  07/28/2000  PLEA GUILTY/RESP SENT IMPOSED 
PMC5452728  9  VIOLATION OF PROMISE TO APPEAR  01/18/2000  COMPL DISMISSED BY COURT 
 
M-0741-247126  CRAIG B CHERRY  DEFENDANT   PHOENIX, AZ 85031  Phoenix Municipal


S-0700-CR-2000015220  CRAIG B CHERRY  DEFENDANT  06/1975  PHOENIX, AZ 85033  Maricopa County Superior   
CRAIG B CHERRY    DEFENDANT  -  D 2  Date of Birth: 06/1975
 CLERK OF THE COURT    Unknown  -  ? 3   
 STATE OF ARIZONA    PLAINTIFF  -  P 1   
Case Activity
Date Description Party
05/29/2006  049 - ME: Judgment Signed  D 2 
05/25/2006  ODP - Order of Discharge of Probation  D 2 
05/25/2006  CRR - Criminal Restitution Order  D 2 
04/26/2006  Adult Probation  D 2 
04/26/2006  Adult Probation  P 1 
04/26/2006  Adult Probation   
02/27/2004  BWA - Bench Warrant  D 2 
02/27/2004  580 - ME: Dispo Reinst-Rev Arr/Hrg   
02/20/2004  TCP - Terms & Conditions Of Probation/Money Ordered  D 2 
02/20/2004  Probation Revocation Arraignment Hearing  D 2 
02/20/2004  NRR - Notice Of Rights Of Review  D 2 
02/20/2004  Probation Revocation Arraignment Hearing  P 1 
02/20/2004  Probation Revocation Arraignment Hearing   
02/20/2004  TCP - Terms & Conditions Of Probation/Money Ordered   
01/13/2004  PVW - Probation Violation Warrant  D 2 
01/06/2004  Adult Probation  D 2 
01/06/2004  Adult Probation  P 1 
01/06/2004  Adult Probation   
07/28/2003  PMP - Petition to Modify Condition of Probation/Order  D 2 
07/25/2003  Adult Probation  D 2 
07/25/2003  Adult Probation  P 1 
07/25/2003  Adult Probation   
03/27/2002  DRS - Disposition Report Supplemental   
03/22/2002  BWA - Bench Warrant   
03/20/2002  NRR - Notice Of Rights Of Review   
03/15/2002  TCP - Terms & Conditions Of Probation/Money Ordered  D 2 
03/15/2002  TCP - Terms & Conditions Of Probation/Money Ordered  P 1 
03/15/2002  TCP - Terms & Conditions Of Probation/Money Ordered   
03/13/2002  114 - ME: Dispo-Reinstate   
03/07/2002  Revocation Arraignment Hearing  D 2 
03/07/2002  Prob Reinstated No Jail  D 2 
03/04/2002  BWA - Bench Warrant   
09/24/2001  PVW - Probation Violation Warrant   
06/04/2001  Petition To Modify Probation  D 2 
06/04/2001  PMP - Petition to Modify Condition of Probation/Order   
12/04/2000  DRE - Disposition Report   
11/15/2000  FIN - Financial Information   
11/15/2000  ORC - Order Regarding Counsel   
11/15/2000  ROR - Release Order   
11/15/2000  109 - ME: Sentence - Probation   
11/15/2000  PBA - Pretrial Srvcs Agency Backgrnd   
11/15/2000  RQU - Release Questionnaire   
11/15/2000  PTR - Pretrial Service Recommendation   
11/06/2000  TCP - Terms & Conditions Of Probation/Money Ordered  D 2 
11/06/2000  Sentenced  D 2 
11/06/2000  Edc Sentencing  D 2 
11/06/2000  TCP - Terms & Conditions Of Probation/Money Ordered  P 1 
11/06/2000  NRR - Notice Of Rights Of Review   
11/06/2000  PSR - Presentence Report   
11/06/2000  TCP - Terms & Conditions Of Probation/Money Ordered   
10/17/2000  102 - ME: Waiver Prelim Hrg/Plea   
10/11/2000  INF - Information   
10/10/2000  Original Early Disposition Court  D 2 
10/10/2000  Edc Change Of Plea  D 2 
10/10/2000  WWP - Waiver With a Plea   
10/02/2000  DWL - Defendant/Witness List   
10/02/2000  DCO - Direct Complaint 

M-0750-TR-2000006126  CRAIG BRYAN CHERRY  DEFENDANT  06/1975  PHOENIX, AZ 85033  Peoria Municipal 
CRAIG BRYAN CHERRY    DEFENDANT  -  D 1  Date of Birth: 06/1975
Citation Count Description Disp. Date Disposition
C00058237  1  TWO HEAD LAMPS REQUIRED  03/05/2002  PLEA GUILTY/RESP SENT IMPOSED 
C00058237  2  DRIVE WITH LICENSE SUSPENDED/REVOKED/CANCELLED  03/05/2002  GUILTY 
C00058237  3  NO MANDATORY INSURANCE  03/05/2002  PLEA GUILTY/RESP SENT IMPOSED 
C00058237  4  VIOLATION OF PROMISE TO APPEAR  03/05/2002  GUILTY 
 
M-0741-2395597  CRAIG BRYAN CHERRY  DEFENDANT  06/1975  PHOENIX, 85033  Phoenix Municipal 
CRAIG BRYAN CHERRY    DEFENDANT  -  D 1  Date of Birth: 06/1975
Citation Count Description Disp. Date Disposition
PMC28073  1  VIOLATION OF PROMISE TO APPEAR  11/08/2000  COMPL DISMISSED BY COURT 
PPD5940378  1  DRIVING W/DL SUSP/REV/CANC FOR DUI  06/21/2006  COMPL DISMISSED BY COURT 
PPD5940378  2  DRIVING W/DL SUSP/REV FOR FTP OR FTA  06/21/2006  COMPL DISMISSED BY COURT 
PPD5940378  3  FICTITIOUS REGISTRATION CARD OR PLATE  06/21/2006  COMPL DISMISSED BY COURT 
PPD5940378  4  FAIL TO PRODUCE EVIDENCE OF FIN. RESP.  06/21/2006  JDGMT GUILTY/RESP SENT IMPOSED 
 
S-0700-CR-2000007678  CRAIG BRYAN CHERRY  DEFENDANT  06/1975  PHOENIX, AZ 85032  Maricopa County Superior 
CRAIG BRYAN CHERRY    DEFENDANT  -  D 2  Date of Birth: 06/1975
Citation Count Description Disp. Date Disposition
 1  TAKING IDENTY OF ANOTHER  05/19/2000  * 
 

S-0700-CR-2000007670  CRAIG BRYAN CHERRY  DEFENDANT  06/1975  PHOENIX, AZ 85032  Maricopa County Superior 
CRAIG BRYAN CHERRY    DEFENDANT  -  D 2  Date of Birth: 06/1975
Citation Count Description Disp. Date Disposition
 1  TAKING IDENTY OF ANOTHER  05/19/2000  * 
 
R-0751-PR-2007111650  CRAIG BRYAN CHERRY  DEFENDANT  06/1975  PEORIA, AZ 85345  Scottsdale Municipal 
CRAIG BRYAN CHERRY    DEFENDANT  -  D 1  Date of Birth: 06/1975
Citation Count Description Disp. Date Disposition
D60027383  1  LOCAL CHARGE  03/07/2008  COMPL DISMISSED BY COURT 


 M-0741-3973507  CRAIG BRYAN CHERRY  DEFENDANT  06/1975  PHOENIX, 85033  Phoenix Municipal 
CRAIG BRYAN CHERRY    DEFENDANT  -  D 1  Date of Birth: 06/1975
Citation Count Description Disp. Date Disposition
PPD13896996  1  FICTITIOUS REGISTRATION CARD OR PLATE  04/20/2009  COMPL DISMISSED BY COURT 
PPD13896996  2  NO CURRENT REGISTRATION  04/20/2009  COMPL DISMISSED BY COURT 
PPD13896996  3  FAIL TO PRODUCE EVIDENCE OF FIN. RESP.  04/20/2009  PLEA GUILTY/RESP SENT IMPOSED 
PPD13896996  4  REFUSE TO STOP AT PEACE OFFICER'S SIGNAL  04/20/2009  COMPL DISMISSED BY COURT 
 
M-0761-CT-904073  CRAIG BRYAN CHERRY  DEFENDANT  06/1975  PEORIA, AZ 85345  Surprise Municipal 
CRAIG BRYAN CHERRY    DEFENDANT  -  D 1  Date of Birth: 06/1975
Citation Count Description Disp. Date Disposition
C02003341  1  LAP AND SHOULDER BELTS REQUIRED  04/22/2009  PLEA GUILTY/RESP SENT IMPOSED 
 
J-1107-TR-200903691  CRAIG BRYAN CHERRY  DEFENDANT  06/1975  TORTILLA FLAT, AZ 85190  Apache Junction Justice 
CRAIG BRYAN CHERRY    DEFENDANT  -  D 1  Date of Birth: 06/1975
Citation Count Description Disp. Date Disposition
D00000011250142  1  LOCAL CHARGE  09/23/2009  JDGMT GUILTY/RESP SENT IMPOSED 
D00000011250142  2  DRIVE WITH LICENSE SUSPENDED FOR FTA/FTP  09/23/2009  COMPL DISMISSED BY CTY ATTY 
 
R-0751-PR-2009030158  CRAIG BRYAN CHERRY  DEFENDANT  06/1975  PEORIA, AZ 853455637  Scottsdale Municipal
CRAIG BRYAN CHERRY    DEFENDANT  -  D 1  Date of Birth: 06/1975
Citation Count Description Disp. Date Disposition
NONE  1  LOCAL CHARGE   
Case Activity
Date Description Party
12/11/2009  PR - PERSONAL SERVICE REQUEST  D 1 
12/11/2009  ARRAIGNMENT CONTINUED  D 1 
12/04/2009  CAL: CIVIL DIVISION ARRAIGNMNT  D 1 
12/04/2009  DEFENDANT FAILED TO APPEAR  D 1 
11/05/2009  ARRAIGNMENT SET  D 1 
11/05/2009  COMPLAINT FILED - ELECTRONIC  D 1 

http://apps.supremecourt.az.gov/publicaccess/caselookup.aspx



No Rose,

Has it been confirmed that this TS first cousin? He does resemble Tammi. There is also another Craig Cherry born 1992.

Seahorse no confirmation. 


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: no rose colored glasses on January 13, 2010, 05:24:20 PM
Well I for one think it is a good idea, chain gangs. Make the prisoners work hard.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 13, 2010, 05:28:18 PM
::MonkeyEek::  FB


snipped:
Tammi Peters Smith

OMG, that's really wierd! I had a baby about to be born 4 days after we got Gabriel that we were set up to start the adoption process with through Agape Adoption Agency and then all this happened and the other family asked us for money, but we weren't going to do anything against the law, so we told them we couldn't adopt their baby! Now we are dealing with this, all because we DID do the right thing according to what we were told!
46 minutes ago



And why would giving them money be any different than them trying to pay a surrogate?


I was reading on WS, that on Tammi's FB, there was something about the Smiths getting a baby with down syndrome, I was wondering if that is true where did that little baby go? Did anyone else see anything like that? Am wondering if that is the baby she is talking about in the above post? It must be, but with this woman who knows?  ::MonkeyNoNo::
I just went through her Wall and see nothing to that effect.  I could have missed it as there are so many on there now.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: no rose colored glasses on January 13, 2010, 05:34:44 PM
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On dec 3 Tammi posts that they are adopting a little boy named Joshua David. He has Down Syndrome. They will get to take him home as soon as the hospital releases him.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: darla on January 13, 2010, 05:37:26 PM
Thanks NRCG....Boy she was busy with babies the first of Dec. She had Gabriel, another one that was due in 4 days and now this lil guy.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 13, 2010, 05:40:42 PM
Baby Gabriel Still Alive, Mom Tells ABC From Jail
Elizabeth Johnson Tells ABC News Gabriel is Alive, Says Jail Not That Bad

Elizabeth Johnson, the Arizona mother jailed after she disappeared with her about-to-be-adopted infant son, confirmed today in a brief jailhouse interview that 8-month-old Gabriel Johnson is alive.

Johnson, a striking 23-year-old, has been jailed following her arrest on kidnapping and child abuse charges after Gabriel disappeared on her cross country trip in which she allegedly sent text messages to the boy's biological father that she had killed their son.

"Yes I'm sure he's alive," Johnson confirmed today.

She was being visited by Tammi Smith, who, along with her husband Jack Smith, say they were in talks with Johnson to adopt Gabriel before he disappeared. The Smiths have been named persons of interest by Tempe, Ariz., police for potentially withholding information about the case.

The Smiths have stuck by Johnson, but recently told ABC News that they are frustrated and want Johnson to tell police what she did with the baby. Tammi Smith told Johnson in jail that she and her husband have been blamed for Gabriel's disappearance.

"I am so, so sorry about that," Johnson replied. But still, no word on where Gabriel is.

Johnson told a Phoenix CBS affiliate shortly after her Dec. 29 arrest in Miami Beach that she gave Gabriel to a couple she met in a San Antonio, Texas, park, but that she didn't know anything about them, only that they seemed trustworthy.

She told ABC News that her time in jail has not been that bad. She has been able to see her lawyer everyday and gets to spend time outside during her recreation hour.

The Smiths took lie detector tests last week, but police have not yet publicized the results.

They told "Good Morning America" earlier this week that they are now starting to doubt the young mother.

"I feel like a fool," Tammi Smith said.

"Stop whatever charade is being played," Jack Smith added. "Tell them where the baby is, and let's get back to our normal lives."

Last week, the boy's father Logan McQueary appeared on "Good Morning America" and begged for Gabriel's return.

"Please, do the right thing and turn him over. Don't worry about getting in trouble or anything like that," McQueary pleaded. "Please. I want my son back."

In a jailhouse interview with the Phoenix CBS affiliate, Johnson denied harming their son, saying she told McQueary she had killed Gabriel to get back at him.

"He had ruined my life, and he hurt me, and I wanted to hurt him," she said. "And that was the only thing I could say that would hurt him."

Johnson's grandfather, Bob Johnson, told ABC News that he doesn't believe his granddaughter's story that she simply left her child with an unknown couple.

"I think that she has given the baby to somebody, and I think she knows who it is," he said. "I think it's in San Antonio in somebody else's house, and she just ain't given it up.

"She has an anger-management problem, and she's working on that," Bob Johnson said.

MORE...

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/elizabeth-johnson-tells-abc-news-baby-gabriel-alive/story?id=9554084&page=2


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: no rose colored glasses on January 13, 2010, 05:41:44 PM
Thanks NRCG....Boy she was busy with babies the first of Dec. She had Gabriel, another one that was due in 4 days and now this lil guy.
I just don't even know what to think about this  ::MonkeyEek:: I also find it very bizarre, if true, that Elizabeth's lawyer would allow Tammi to speak to her, but who knows? Maybe Tammi is waiting at the jail to speak to her, but that is as far as that will go, Tammi just sitting there waiting.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 13, 2010, 05:45:50 PM
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On dec 3 Tammi posts that they are adopting a little boy named Joshua David. He has Down Syndrome. They will get to take him home as soon as the hospital releases him.

Thanks I will look again


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 13, 2010, 05:57:34 PM
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On dec 3 Tammi posts that they are adopting a little boy named Joshua David. He has Down Syndrome. They will get to take him home as soon as the hospital releases him.

Thanks I will look again

Still looking.  This one is interesting.  If they were only "Babysitting" as Jack claims, why the post of the new addition and no correction to anyone who is congratulating her?



Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 13, 2010, 06:12:14 PM
Leticia is talking on HLN

Elizabeth told Tammi in jail today

Yes, EJ is sure her baby is alive

EJ is still maintaining the story about the couple and gave a description of the couple, she says they came to her hotel met her with a car seat for the baby and they were elated to take the baby home with them

EJ has begged investigators to do a composite sketch to give a description of this couple so they can find them

EJ believes this couple is in hiding and that this was an illegal adoption.  The mystery couple told EJ "don't worry in a couple of years no body will recognize this baby as his looks will change so much'.

EJ prefers not to talk to local police but wants to strictly talk to the FBI

EJ is begging the FBI to do a composite sketch.

She met the couple at a park but the exchange happened at the hotel.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 13, 2010, 06:13:45 PM
Tammi says she looked in EJ's eyes and believes what she is telling her

Tammi is still mad at EJ but she believes that EJ gave Gabriel to a couple in San Antonio



Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Tracygirl on January 13, 2010, 06:17:07 PM
Uggg this case is just getting worse and worse. I am not sure how hard EJ would need to beg the FBI to do a composite sketch, can anyone think of a reason the FBI would possibly say no?

I think she put him into some underground for children in abusive situations. Remember Tammi said EJ wanted to meet with her to discuss getting the baby back? Her statement was if she killed the baby why would she wish to meet with me about getting custody back.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: no rose colored glasses on January 13, 2010, 06:29:47 PM
Leticia is talking on HLN

Elizabeth told Tammi in jail today

Yes, EJ is sure her baby is alive

EJ is still maintaining the story about the couple and gave a description of the couple, she says they came to her hotel met her with a car seat for the baby and they were elated to take the baby home with them

EJ has begged investigators to do a composite sketch to give a description of this couple so they can find them

EJ believes this couple is in hiding and that this was an illegal adoption.  The mystery couple told EJ "don't worry in a couple of years no body will recognize this baby as his looks will change so much'.

EJ prefers not to talk to local police but wants to strictly talk to the FBI

EJ is begging the FBI to do a composite sketch.

She met the couple at a park but the exchange happened at the hotel.

Let's see here, doesn't want to talk to local police and wants only to talk to FBI, sound anything like Casey? Mystery couple, mystery nanny.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 13, 2010, 06:33:23 PM
Considering the Smiths are willing to once again be subjected to a polygraph ... I am somewhat conflicted on whether they do know what happened to Gabriel once Elizabeth took him out of their home.

Could it be that Elizabeth realized that without Logan signing those papers the Smith would never be able to adopt Gabriel so ... while her son spent time in the Smiths' home ... she was making other plans?  She had hooked up with a network that offered her assistance in beginning a new life with her son.

Could it be that other than desperately attempting to get her to bring Gabriel back to them and pursuading her to contact Janet Morris to further that objective ... the Smiths were in the dark to what Elizabeth was up to in regards to her baby.  I cannot believe that this young mother took off trapsing across the country to San Antonio for the purpose of killing her baby.

I am not condoning Tammi and Jack Smith.  These two are despicable.  They were determined to adopt Gabriel by taking advantage of an obviously unstable Elizabeth.  They were willing to deprive a father of his son through deception.

BOTTOM LINE ... I tend to believe that all wrongdoing on the Smith's part took place in their mission to adopt ... prior to Elizabeth removing Gabriel from their home under the guise of taking him to visit his father.

IMO

Janet

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1.  ELIZABETH TAKES GABRIEL FORM TAMMI UNDER FALSE PRETENCES.

NANCY GRACE
New Developments in Missing Baby Gabriel Case
Aired January 6, 2010 - 20:00:00   ET


UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Tammi says months went by then last month she received a call from Elizabeth.

T. SMITH: She finally called and said, are you ready to adopt him?

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: The two parties signed legal guardianship papers and Gabriel moved in with the Smiths.

JACK SMITH, PLANNED TO ADOPT BABY GABRIEL: We fell in love with him.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: But the baby`s dad wouldn`t sign guardianship or adoption papers. Still, Gabriel quickly became part of the Smith family, visiting Santa, playing with 4-year-old Hannah.

Then, December 18th, Elizabeth picked up her son to visit his father. Little did the Smiths know, the two were taking off to San Antonio.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1001/06/ng.01.html


2.  NEW IDENTITIES

Johnson's Grandfather Thinks She's Lying
UPDATED: 11:22 am MST January 7, 2010


"She had this cockamamie idea that she was going to change her Social Security number and name and his Social Security number and name and run forever," Bob Johnson said.

http://www.kpho.com/news/22168065/detail.html


3.  WHILE ON THE RUN ... ELIZABETH EMAILS APOLOGY TO TAMMI SMITH.

NANCY GRACE
Couple Named Persons of Interest in Missing Baby Case
Aired January 7, 2010 - 20:00:00   ET


J. SMITH: She didn`t contact us any between here and there. We only found out when we did the MySpace thing and found her account and then we.

T. SMITH: And then she texted us that message.

J. SMITH: We text her and all that.

NANCY GRACE, HOST: Now I`ve got that message and it says -- I`ve got it right here. It says, "I am ever worried this e-mail can be traced to where I am, so I probably won`t e-mail again. But I had to let you know, we are all right, because I know you must be worried sick and I am so sorry for that. I really am."  

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1001/07/ng.01.html


4.  WHILE ON THE RUN ... ELIZABETH ASSURES TAMMI ALL IS FINE.

Baby Gabriel’s mom ‘played us,’ couple say
updated 6:15 a.m. PT, Mon., Jan. 11, 2010


Tammi said that Johnson never gave any details about what kind of support group she had while she was on the run with Gabriel, making vague references in her communications with them to women’s shelters and “the underground.”

“She’s a very secretive type person,” Tammi Smith said of Johnson. “I did ask her, but she would not give more any details. I had to force that stuff out of her: ‘What about diapers?’ ‘What about formula?’ ”

Tammi said Johnson would respond, “They’re gonna help me. They’re gonna help me,” without ever saying who “they” were.

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/34802462/ns/today-today_people/


NANCY GRACE
Smiths Take Polygraphs in Missing Baby Gabriel Case
Aired January 8, 2010 - 20:00:00   ET


JEAN CASAREZ, GUEST HOST: OK. I`ve got to ask you about a FaceBook entry. I want to show everybody that this is a FaceBook industry, and it is from a Tammi Peters Smith, which would be you...

TAMMI SMITH: Me.

CASAREZ: ... and it is from December 23rd, 2009. And it says in part, quote, "Please keep praying for Gabriel and his Mommy`s safety on the road. She found an underground help in Texas that has given her formula, diapers, et cetera, and all the legal formalities. Keep praying for his safety."

Did you write that, Tammi?

TAMMI SMITH: Yes, I wrote that.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1001/08/ng.01.html


5.  JANET MORRIS ENTERS THE SCENARIO.

Tip Had FBI Searching Nashville Home
UPDATED: 6:27 am MST January 9, 2010


NASHVILLE, Tenn. -- FBI agents in Nashville rushed to a home after getting a tip from agents in Miami that missing baby Gabriel Johnson might be there.

And late Friday night, Tammi Smith told CBS5 she knew what the Nashville search was all about. It was the home of a friend of hers, Janet Morris, who she asked to counsel Elizabeth Johnson about what she could face legally if she tried to disappear with Gabriel.

"I called (Elizabeth) and said 'look, you've got to call this girl Janet,' and so Janet basically, she called her and as far as I know, Janet told her the same thing that we've been telling her and begged her to come back. 'And if you don't come back, you could be facing these charges and these charges,'" said Tammi Smith.

http://www.kpho.com/news/22190418/detail.html



Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 13, 2010, 06:42:44 PM
Leticia is talking on HLN

Elizabeth told Tammi in jail today

Yes, EJ is sure her baby is alive

EJ is still maintaining the story about the couple and gave a description of the couple, she says they came to her hotel met her with a car seat for the baby and they were elated to take the baby home with them

EJ has begged investigators to do a composite sketch to give a description of this couple so they can find them

EJ believes this couple is in hiding and that this was an illegal adoption.  The mystery couple told EJ "don't worry in a couple of years no body will recognize this baby as his looks will change so much'.

EJ prefers not to talk to local police but wants to strictly talk to the FBI

EJ is begging the FBI to do a composite sketch.

She met the couple at a park but the exchange happened at the hotel.

Let's see here, doesn't want to talk to local police and wants only to talk to FBI, sound anything like Casey? Mystery couple, mystery nanny.

Yup.  Glad she thinks being is jail is not so bad.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: seahorse on January 13, 2010, 06:47:48 PM
Leticia is talking on HLN

Elizabeth told Tammi in jail today

Yes, EJ is sure her baby is alive

EJ is still maintaining the story about the couple and gave a description of the couple, she says they came to her hotel met her with a car seat for the baby and they were elated to take the baby home with them

EJ has begged investigators to do a composite sketch to give a description of this couple so they can find them

EJ believes this couple is in hiding and that this was an illegal adoption.  The mystery couple told EJ "don't worry in a couple of years no body will recognize this baby as his looks will change so much'.

EJ prefers not to talk to local police but wants to strictly talk to the FBI

EJ is begging the FBI to do a composite sketch.

She met the couple at a park but the exchange happened at the hotel.

Let's see here, doesn't want to talk to local police and wants only to talk to FBI, sound anything like Casey? Mystery couple, mystery nanny.

No Rose & Monkeys,

Why do we need a sketch?  The exchange happened in the Hotel, it would be video?

Unless TS did research and found out different and is feeding her an alibi!

This is a fed lie, a canned story,TS cooked this up. JMO



Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: no rose colored glasses on January 13, 2010, 06:53:51 PM
Why would a person of interest be allowed to speak to Elizabeth? Where is Elizabeth's lawyer, he must be a real winner to have allowed that to happen.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 13, 2010, 06:54:02 PM
Leticia is talking on HLN

Elizabeth told Tammi in jail today

Yes, EJ is sure her baby is alive

EJ is still maintaining the story about the couple and gave a description of the couple, she says they came to her hotel met her with a car seat for the baby and they were elated to take the baby home with them

EJ has begged investigators to do a composite sketch to give a description of this couple so they can find them

EJ believes this couple is in hiding and that this was an illegal adoption.  The mystery couple told EJ "don't worry in a couple of years no body will recognize this baby as his looks will change so much'.

EJ prefers not to talk to local police but wants to strictly talk to the FBI

EJ is begging the FBI to do a composite sketch.

She met the couple at a park but the exchange happened at the hotel.

Let's see here, doesn't want to talk to local police and wants only to talk to FBI, sound anything like Casey? Mystery couple, mystery nanny.

No Rose & Monkeys,

Why do we need a sketch?  The exchange happened in the Hotel, it would be video?

Unless TS did research and found out different and is feeding her an alibi!

This is a fed lie, a canned story,TS cooked this up. JMO



Agree.  This video says they have time stamp photos of her on Dec 26th with Gabriel so I bet they are from the hotel. They are also now checking landfills and dumpsters.

http://www.azcentral.com/video/61525655001


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Tracygirl on January 13, 2010, 07:20:32 PM
LE has stated many times the baby was last seen on the 26th at the park. she says they picked the baby up from the hotel after meeting at the park. Wouldn't LE have said he was last seen with an unidentified couple at said hotel per a video and put out an amber alert? Remember Shaniya? This is another FOS story.  She would be a pathological liar, someone that lies to manipulate the outcome they want or need.



Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: O4Bull on January 13, 2010, 07:22:43 PM
Hi Monkeys!

I haven't kept up with this case, except for NG and we all know how far behind she can be.   ::MonkeyDevil::
Is there anything that could tie the couple who have been named POI in this case to Wisconsin?

I came across a most likely nothing to do with this case at all but strange coincidence on a totally unrelated message board.  If there was even a slight chance it could be something, I wanted to mention it.

This reminds me so much of kc it just makes me ill!



Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Tracygirl on January 13, 2010, 07:22:46 PM
Why would a person of interest be allowed to speak to Elizabeth? Where is Elizabeth's lawyer, he must be a real winner to have allowed that to happen.

 ::MonkeyShovel::  ::MonkeyShovel::  ::MonkeyShovel::
I would suppose to see what is said and how deep of a hole they can dig? Dig away Tammi, everytime you speak you dig a little bit deeper.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: cartfly on January 13, 2010, 07:30:48 PM
<snipped from Seahorse quote>
Natisha Lance(NG Producer) just stated on HLN that she had spoken to people at the hotel who said that EJ checked in there with a different name and had a Texas, ID.
I have been gleaning ::MonkeyCool::
[/quote]

Seahorse-This is HUGE " and had a Texas, ID." in my opinion. ::MonkeyShocked::

I personally feel like she just wanted to be rid of this baby and is/was capable of disposing of him like trash. I think she wanted to disappear and start a new life on her own without any baggage (aka Gabriel)(sorry for the harsh scenario) She is a beautiful and smart (4.0 gpa) woman by all accounts. She could have made something for herself. I think she felt like Gabriel was keeping her from "being all she could be".

I just pray that she was smart enough to realize the implications between "murder " and "child abandonment and chose the lesser of the two evils.



Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: cartfly on January 13, 2010, 07:34:27 PM
Hi Monkeys!

I haven't kept up with this case, except for NG and we all know how far behind she can be.   ::MonkeyDevil::
Is there anything that could tie the couple who have been named POI in this case to Wisconsin?

I came across a most likely nothing to do with this case at all but strange coincidence on a totally unrelated message board.  If there was even a slight chance it could be something, I wanted to mention it.

This reminds me so much of kc it just makes me ill!


Anything is possible with Tammi and Jack. Please elaborate or give us a link about the Wisconsin case. Good thinking Bull!! ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Tracygirl on January 13, 2010, 07:43:11 PM
Do you know who tammi reminds me of? KaraK in the Lindsey Baum case. Something about what she says and how she says it just reminds me of her


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 13, 2010, 07:43:38 PM
Hi Monkeys!

I haven't kept up with this case, except for NG and we all know how far behind she can be.   ::MonkeyDevil::
Is there anything that could tie the couple who have been named POI in this case to Wisconsin?

I came across a most likely nothing to do with this case at all but strange coincidence on a totally unrelated message board.  If there was even a slight chance it could be something, I wanted to mention it.

This reminds me so much of kc it just makes me ill!



Right now it involves 4 states.  Anything is possible right now.  Wisconsin has to this point not specifically been mentioned.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 13, 2010, 07:48:10 PM
FBI questions Texas group in missing kid case

The nationwide search for the missing 8-month-old Tempe boy has led FBI agents to question employees of a San Antonio, Texas, organization that oversees the licensing of colon-cleansing practitioners.

The International Association of Colon Hydrotherapists certified Tammi Smith of Scottsdale, who was named a person of interest in the search for Gabriel Johnson.

The boy’s mother, 23-year-old Elizabeth Johnson, was last seen with Gabriel on Dec. 26 at a motel about a block away from the organization’s offices.

“It’s a long shot, but we’re questioning people there to see if there is a connection,” said Kim Hale, commander of investigations for the Tempe Police Department. “Our focus continues to be in San Antonio where the child was last seen.”

Smith owns Healing Waters in Sun City West and in Glendale, according to her company’s Web site. Her husband, Jack Smith, also was named a person of interest in the case. The couple had said they were interested in adopting Gabriel from his mother and father, Logan McQueary. Police have said the Smiths are withholding information that could lead them to the baby boy.

Johnson was arrested at a youth hostel in Miami Beach, Fla. on Dec. 30, and was extradited to Arizona late Saturday on suspicion of custodial interference, kidnapping and child abuse. She is being held in the Maricopa County Estrella Jail on $1.1 million cash bond, and has been uncooperative with authorities since her arrest, Hale said.

Hale said Wednesday that investigators are trying to determine whether Johnson, 23, gave the child away in San Antonio as she told the FBI, or killed the baby. Johnson told McQueary, her estranged boyfriend, by phone and text message on Dec. 27 that she killed the baby and put its body in a dumpster in a baby bag, according to a Maricopa County Superior Court document.

However, police have said they believe the baby is still alive.

When Johnson was arrested, she had about $500 cash on her, according to police.

Hale said there was a certain amount of planning that Johnson did before she left Arizona with the baby on Dec. 18, and investigators believe she had some kind of help.

“We know originally, she sold a couple of dogs, she had a roommate that gave her about $400, and she had some social services assistance,” Hale said. “When you start adding up all that, we estimated she had about $1,200 when she left. By the time you start calculating the drive, gas, motel stays and shopping in Miami, and her having about $500 cash on her at the time of her arrest, the numbers don’t add up. Somewhere along the way, she came into some extra funds.”

The International Association of Colon Hydrotherapists claims it is the only organization that certifies colon hydrotherapists and has about 2,500 members throughout the United States and in other countries, the association’s spokeswoman said.

The Smiths took a polygraph administered by Tempe police on Friday, and the results came back as inconclusive, according to police.

Jack Smith told the Tribune on Wednesday that Tammi visited Johnson in jail, and he was not sure whether Tammi had ever been in San Antonio “in her life.”

San Antonio police opened a missing persons investigation into Gabriel on Thursday, and a $5,000 reward now is being offered for the safe return of Gabriel through Crime Stoppers in San Antonio. If anyone has any information about Gabriel’s whereabouts, they can call (210) 224-7867.

Tips can also be submitted online at www.sacrimestoppers.com or text “Tip 127 plus your tip” to CRIMES (274637).

Hale said Wednesday that investigators also have a GPS tracking device that was recovered from the 1995 white Delta-88 Oldsmobile she abandoned in San Antonio on Dec. 27 before boarding a bus to Miami.

If anyone knows of Gabriel Johnson’s whereabouts, they also can call the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children at 1-800-843-5678.

http://www.eastvalleytribune.com/story/149469


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 13, 2010, 07:52:35 PM
<snipped from Seahorse quote>
Natisha Lance(NG Producer) just stated on HLN that she had spoken to people at the hotel who said that EJ checked in there with a different name and had a Texas, ID.
I have been gleaning ::MonkeyCool::

Seahorse-This is HUGE " and had a Texas, ID." in my opinion. ::MonkeyShocked::

I personally feel like she just wanted to be rid of this baby and is/was capable of disposing of him like trash. I think she wanted to disappear and start a new life on her own without any baggage (aka Gabriel)(sorry for the harsh scenario) She is a beautiful and smart (4.0 gpa) woman by all accounts. She could have made something for herself. I think she felt like Gabriel was keeping her from "being all she could be".

I just pray that she was smart enough to realize the implications between "murder " and "child abandonment and chose the lesser of the two evils.


[/quote]

IIRC the bus depot man said she used the name Elizabeth Jones.  First I heard of the TX Id was today.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: no rose colored glasses on January 13, 2010, 07:57:55 PM
Not sure Jack if Tammi has never been to San Antonio, this might help refresh your memory.  ::MonkeyNoNo::   The nationwide search for the missing 8-month-old Tempe boy has led FBI agents to question employees of a San Antonio, Texas, organization that oversees the licensing of colon-cleansing practitioners.

The International Association of Colon Hydrotherapists certified Tammi Smith of Scottsdale, who was named a person of interest in the search for Gabriel Johnson.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: cartfly on January 13, 2010, 07:58:41 PM
Off Topic**

*Northern is your post counter on the fritz? I noticed your post numbers dont change for each post....(congrats by the way on 10,000)  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: cartfly on January 13, 2010, 08:00:58 PM
Off Topic**

*Northern is your post counter on the fritz? I noticed your post numbers dont change for each post....(congrats by the way on 10,000)  ::MonkeyAngel::

oops, just noticed mine do not change either!! ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 13, 2010, 08:03:48 PM
Off Topic**

*Northern is your post counter on the fritz? I noticed your post numbers dont change for each post....(congrats by the way on 10,000)  ::MonkeyAngel::

I have not paid attention to the counter.  Does that mean I won't get old now if the coutner stands still?  Thank you   ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: MuffyBee on January 13, 2010, 08:04:21 PM
Off Topic**

*Northern is your post counter on the fritz? I noticed your post numbers dont change for each post....(congrats by the way on 10,000)  ::MonkeyAngel::

oops, just noticed mine do not change either!! ::MonkeyHaHa::

I'll let Klaasend know.  Muffy


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 13, 2010, 08:05:09 PM
NG

Hotel clerk says she checked in with TX id

EJ is saying that FBI has video of couple who has Gabriel



Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: MuffyBee on January 13, 2010, 08:05:10 PM
Off Topic**

*Northern is your post counter on the fritz? I noticed your post numbers dont change for each post....(congrats by the way on 10,000)  ::MonkeyAngel::

I have not paid attention to the counter.  Does that mean I won't get old now if the coutner stands still?  Thank you   ::MonkeyAngel::

BBM

 ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: cartfly on January 13, 2010, 08:06:14 PM
Off Topic**

*Northern is your post counter on the fritz? I noticed your post numbers dont change for each post....(congrats by the way on 10,000)  ::MonkeyAngel::

I have not paid attention to the counter.  Does that mean I won't get old now if the coutner stands still?  Thank you   ::MonkeyAngel::
::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: I hope it takes about 20 years off of me!!  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: O4Bull on January 13, 2010, 08:11:46 PM
This is a huge longshot, and I do want to emphasize that I only mention it because of the dates, and the name and the state.
This poster says they just had a baby Gabriel placed into their care on January 1, in San Antonio.  Blogger said her name is "Beth".
Just a bunch of coincidences, IMO.  Still, probably nothing?

found here:  http://www.beckyhiggins.com/blog/2010/01/sharing-enthusiasm.html


Blogger Beth said...

    I live in WI, but am currently in San Antonio, TX. My husband and I are adopting a handsome baby boy that was placed into our care on January 1. I've decided to make my project life about Baby Gabriel. Even though I won't be home when my project arrives I am clicking away taking his photo here in San Antonio.
    January 4, 2010 1:45 PM


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: no rose colored glasses on January 13, 2010, 08:11:51 PM
NG

Hotel clerk says she checked in with TX id

EJ is saying that FBI has video of couple who has Gabriel


Well that is interesting. So if the FBI has video of the couple, then Elizabeth doesn't really have to describe the couple to the sketch artist.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 13, 2010, 08:11:55 PM
EJ booked into one with real ID and while in San Antonio with fake id (makes sense on the two hotels)

LE have gone to landfills and focused efforts on one on east side.  They have not searched landfill yet.

Here is the description she gave today.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 13, 2010, 08:13:38 PM
EJ told Tammi that the couple came to the hotel room , signed a doc that was not notarized, put Gabriel  in a car seat they brought with them and left.  EJ claims the FBI has video of this


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 13, 2010, 08:14:50 PM
NG

Hotel clerk says she checked in with TX id

EJ is saying that FBI has video of couple who has Gabriel


Well that is interesting. So if the FBI has video of the couple, then Elizabeth doesn't really have to describe the couple to the sketch artist.

If they had video of the couple their faces would have been on the news by now to find them. 


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: no rose colored glasses on January 13, 2010, 08:15:54 PM
This is a huge longshot, and I do want to emphasize that I only mention it because of the dates, and the name and the state.
This poster says they just had a baby Gabriel placed into their care on January 1, in San Antonio.  Blogger said her name is "Beth".
Just a bunch of coincidences, IMO.  Still, probably nothing?

found here:  http://www.beckyhiggins.com/blog/2010/01/sharing-enthusiasm.html


Blogger Beth said...

    I live in WI, but am currently in San Antonio, TX. My husband and I are adopting a handsome baby boy that was placed into our care on January 1. I've decided to make my project life about Baby Gabriel. Even though I won't be home when my project arrives I am clicking away taking his photo here in San Antonio.
    January 4, 2010 1:45 PM
Good to see you  ::MonkeyCool::  Well, that is just plain weird  ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyShocked::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: no rose colored glasses on January 13, 2010, 08:18:21 PM
Man, big guy, short dark hair  ::MonkeyEek:: Well for Heaven's Sake how come they haven't found this guy by now? ::MonkeyRoll::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: cartfly on January 13, 2010, 08:18:34 PM
This is a huge longshot, and I do want to emphasize that I only mention it because of the dates, and the name and the state.
This poster says they just had a baby Gabriel placed into their care on January 1, in San Antonio.  Blogger said her name is "Beth".
Just a bunch of coincidences, IMO.  Still, probably nothing?

found here:  http://www.beckyhiggins.com/blog/2010/01/sharing-enthusiasm.html


Blogger Beth said...

    I live in WI, but am currently in San Antonio, TX. My husband and I are adopting a handsome baby boy that was placed into our care on January 1. I've decided to make my project life about Baby Gabriel. Even though I won't be home when my project arrives I am clicking away taking his photo here in San Antonio.
    January 4, 2010 1:45 PM
O4Bull- This is an incredible coincidence dont you think? How can we forward this to the FBI? I think it should be checked into immediately!!!! Great Find Bull!! ::MonkeyCheer4:: ::MonkeySlide::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 13, 2010, 08:19:43 PM
This is a huge longshot, and I do want to emphasize that I only mention it because of the dates, and the name and the state.
This poster says they just had a baby Gabriel placed into their care on January 1, in San Antonio.  Blogger said her name is "Beth".
Just a bunch of coincidences, IMO.  Still, probably nothing?

found here:  http://www.beckyhiggins.com/blog/2010/01/sharing-enthusiasm.html


Blogger Beth said...

    I live in WI, but am currently in San Antonio, TX. My husband and I are adopting a handsome baby boy that was placed into our care on January 1. I've decided to make my project life about Baby Gabriel. Even though I won't be home when my project arrives I am clicking away taking his photo here in San Antonio.
    January 4, 2010 1:45 PM

wow.  Coincidence?


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 13, 2010, 08:27:36 PM
Tammi on now

EJ was confortable and confident

EJ's eyes welled up with tears when Tammi told her what this has done to her and her family

EJ could tell when she was lying by the way her eyelashes would flitter

Tammi asked her about the GPS and from that point she thought every thing EJ said was a lie and stopped listening to her

EJ did not want to talk until she had an attorney and now that she has an attorney she is talking


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 13, 2010, 08:28:36 PM
Crime Stoppers ups ante to find missing baby  (with video)

http://www.kens5.com/news/Crime-Stoppers-ups-ante-to-find-missing-baby-81380577.html


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Mere on January 13, 2010, 08:35:34 PM
This is a huge longshot, and I do want to emphasize that I only mention it because of the dates, and the name and the state.
This poster says they just had a baby Gabriel placed into their care on January 1, in San Antonio.  Blogger said her name is "Beth".
Just a bunch of coincidences, IMO.  Still, probably nothing?

found here:  http://www.beckyhiggins.com/blog/2010/01/sharing-enthusiasm.html


Blogger Beth said...

    I live in WI, but am currently in San Antonio, TX. My husband and I are adopting a handsome baby boy that was placed into our care on January 1. I've decided to make my project life about Baby Gabriel. Even though I won't be home when my project arrives I am clicking away taking his photo here in San Antonio.
    January 4, 2010 1:45 PM

IF this is true, this is too many coincidences.  How about we ask Klaas to send it on
to the authorities.  I think she does that sometimes.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 13, 2010, 08:40:16 PM
Tammi asked for a press conference with EJ's attorney and a couple of media outlets tomorrow and EJ said Okie Dokie she would set it up.

Cheryl looks like EJ but does have a different face

EJ signed custody over to the couple, put baby into car seat and walked out door with Gabriel

Tammi thinks EJ has multiple personality where she can remember parts but not all

EJ said that her attorney told her FBI has video with couple and Gabriel. 

EJ swears that she was only in one hotel and says the fake ID is not true. 

No one from LE is calling Tammi back

Tammi's friend the nurse practitioner told her if you had no sleep, are stress and have feelings for the subject,  the poly will come back inconclusive and Tammi had all of those when she took the poly

EJ sold her jewelery, laptop and dogs.  People who have Gabriel gave her no money.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: O4Bull on January 13, 2010, 08:42:55 PM
Sorry, I was off reading something else.  If Klaas thinks it's worth forwarding, by all means, please do!
I am not familiar enough with the case to know if it's worth forwarding, but if you monkeys think it is then I'm all for it.



Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: cartfly on January 13, 2010, 08:43:47 PM
This is a huge longshot, and I do want to emphasize that I only mention it because of the dates, and the name and the state.
This poster says they just had a baby Gabriel placed into their care on January 1, in San Antonio.  Blogger said her name is "Beth".
Just a bunch of coincidences, IMO.  Still, probably nothing?

found here:  http://www.beckyhiggins.com/blog/2010/01/sharing-enthusiasm.html


Blogger Beth said...

    I live in WI, but am currently in San Antonio, TX. My husband and I are adopting a handsome baby boy that was placed into our care on January 1. I've decided to make my project life about Baby Gabriel. Even though I won't be home when my project arrives I am clicking away taking his photo here in San Antonio.
    January 4, 2010 1:45 PM

IF this is true, this is too many coincidences.  How about we ask Klaas to send it on
to the authorities.  I think she does that sometimes.
YES!!! Please these post can be traced usually by IP. Please get this to someone who has the ability to get this looked into!!! This is the most encouraging thing I have seen so far. (I know wishfull thinking, but we need a miracle here)

And O4Bull if this proves to be something and brings Gabriel home, I will personally supply you with a lifetime of sexy panties from Victoria Secret. (you know for your bull....) Lol ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: no rose colored glasses on January 13, 2010, 08:44:07 PM
People who have Gabriel gave her no money.  ::MonkeyEek:: Because it never happened, that is why she got no money, period. No way would this woman hand over a baby and not get some money for it.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 13, 2010, 08:45:08 PM
KLAAAAAAS!!!

 ::MonkeyShocked::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 13, 2010, 08:46:22 PM
This is a huge longshot, and I do want to emphasize that I only mention it because of the dates, and the name and the state.
This poster says they just had a baby Gabriel placed into their care on January 1, in San Antonio.  Blogger said her name is "Beth".
Just a bunch of coincidences, IMO.  Still, probably nothing?

found here:  http://www.beckyhiggins.com/blog/2010/01/sharing-enthusiasm.html


Blogger Beth said...

    I live in WI, but am currently in San Antonio, TX. My husband and I are adopting a handsome baby boy that was placed into our care on January 1. I've decided to make my project life about Baby Gabriel. Even though I won't be home when my project arrives I am clicking away taking his photo here in San Antonio.
    January 4, 2010 1:45 PM

BUMPED!!


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: O4Bull on January 13, 2010, 08:48:03 PM
The website that I found the post on is for Becky Higgins.  She was one of the "big" scrapbook personalities when scrapbooking was at the height of it's popularity.  She developed a "new" way of scrapbooking a year in photos.  That's where I saw the post (at the link I posted above).  Just to give a little background how I found it.



Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Mere on January 13, 2010, 08:48:59 PM
The message is on it's way to Klaas and to San.....thanks.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: klaasend on January 13, 2010, 08:49:19 PM
This is a huge longshot, and I do want to emphasize that I only mention it because of the dates, and the name and the state.
This poster says they just had a baby Gabriel placed into their care on January 1, in San Antonio.  Blogger said her name is "Beth".
Just a bunch of coincidences, IMO.  Still, probably nothing?

found here:  http://www.beckyhiggins.com/blog/2010/01/sharing-enthusiasm.html


Blogger Beth said...

    I live in WI, but am currently in San Antonio, TX. My husband and I are adopting a handsome baby boy that was placed into our care on January 1. I've decided to make my project life about Baby Gabriel. Even though I won't be home when my project arrives I am clicking away taking his photo here in San Antonio.
    January 4, 2010 1:45 PM

WOW, we need to get this to LE ASAP


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Tracygirl on January 13, 2010, 08:53:13 PM
This is a huge longshot, and I do want to emphasize that I only mention it because of the dates, and the name and the state.
This poster says they just had a baby Gabriel placed into their care on January 1, in San Antonio.  Blogger said her name is "Beth".
Just a bunch of coincidences, IMO.  Still, probably nothing?

found here:  http://www.beckyhiggins.com/blog/2010/01/sharing-enthusiasm.html


Blogger Beth said...

    I live in WI, but am currently in San Antonio, TX. My husband and I are adopting a handsome baby boy that was placed into our care on January 1. I've decided to make my project life about Baby Gabriel. Even though I won't be home when my project arrives I am clicking away taking his photo here in San Antonio.
    January 4, 2010 1:45 PM

BUMPED!!

Wow! Oh wow! What a find, my goodness!


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: klaasend on January 13, 2010, 08:54:29 PM
(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub8/BethBabyGabriel.jpg)


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: klaasend on January 13, 2010, 08:58:05 PM
(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub8/BethBabyGabriel.jpg)

Phone numbers.  I'm going to try and email too:

Anyone with information about this case is urged to call either 911, the San Antonio office of the FBI at 210-225-6741, the Tempe Police Department at (480) 350-8311, or Silent Witness at 480-WITNESS (480-948-6377).

Edited to add:  I just emailed the info to  Criminal_Investigations@tempe.gov

I don't think it will hurt if more than one of us send it.  Maybe nothing, maybe everything.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Mere on January 13, 2010, 09:01:43 PM
I like the San Antonio office of the FBI.....and ask them for an email address.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: klaasend on January 13, 2010, 09:04:48 PM
I like the San Antonio office of the FBI.....and ask them for an email address.

Mere - great idea, I'll check for that now.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: O4Bull on January 13, 2010, 09:06:34 PM
Klaas,
Do you want me to do this? or have you already tried to contact someone?
I'm not interested in the reward, just the baby.  I just don't want to duplicate report it and bug LE.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: klaasend on January 13, 2010, 09:07:48 PM
I like the San Antonio office of the FBI.....and ask them for an email address.

Mere - great idea, I'll check for that now.

FBI - I don't see an email

San Antonio Field Office:

5740 University Heights
San Antonio, Texas 78249
(210) 225-6741


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Magnolia on January 13, 2010, 09:08:01 PM
 
     Contact Information  *** If there is an emergency, please DO NOT call these offices, call 911 instead. ***

The San Antonio Field Office operates from its headquarters office in San Antonio as well as from its satellite offices in Austin, Brownsville, Del Rio, Laredo, McAllen , and Waco, Texas.

[Due to the volume of e-mail messages sent, and the possible routing of your message to different FBI entities, e-mail responses are not always possible. Please be advised that due to the nature of electronic inquiries this office receives, only those e-mail's with a complete mailing address & day time telephone number can be responded to].

       San Antonio Field Office:           
                   
         5740 University Heights
San Antonio, Texas 78249
(210) 225-6741


Request Employment Information
(210) 225-6741

   


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 13, 2010, 09:09:08 PM
San Antonio Police

Carla.Zainie@sanantonio.gov <Carla.Zainie@sanantonio.gov>

The above is a non-emergency email.  I tried it and ... already received a response ... an automatic ... not a personal.

Janet



Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Magnolia on January 13, 2010, 09:12:03 PM
I believe the email is sanantoniofbi.gov


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: klaasend on January 13, 2010, 09:13:03 PM
Klaas,
Do you want me to do this? or have you already tried to contact someone?
I'm not interested in the reward, just the baby.  I just don't want to duplicate report it and bug LE.

I emailed to Tempe LE but if you want to call or email it to them or the FBI that would be great.  I don't think duplicating the report is a problem.  I have not contacted San Antonio FBI if you want to do that. 

I agree 100% about the reward.  I believe all of us here only care about returning Gabriel to his father.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Mere on January 13, 2010, 09:13:24 PM
I like the San Antonio office of the FBI.....and ask them for an email address.

Mere - great idea, I'll check for that now.

FBI - I don't see an email

San Antonio Field Office:

5740 University Heights
San Antonio, Texas 78249
(210) 225-6741


If you call and tell them what you have, I think they will be happy to give you an email address.  You are a pro on the phone.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: darla on January 13, 2010, 09:14:51 PM
I have been in contact with a reporter from Tempe since Friday and I have sent this on to him also. He can probably get it to the police faster than an email will get to them


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 13, 2010, 09:16:23 PM
I have been in contact with a reporter from Tempe since Friday and I have sent this on to him also. He can probably get it to the police faster than an email will get to them


I agree.

Thanks darla.

Janet


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: klaasend on January 13, 2010, 09:18:28 PM
Klaas,
Do you want me to do this? or have you already tried to contact someone?
I'm not interested in the reward, just the baby.  I just don't want to duplicate report it and bug LE.

By the way O4Bull - that was a fantastic find!


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: klaasend on January 13, 2010, 09:18:54 PM
I have been in contact with a reporter from Tempe since Friday and I have sent this on to him also. He can probably get it to the police faster than an email will get to them


Thanks Darla!


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: darla on January 13, 2010, 09:21:13 PM
Hey guys I just got off the phone with the reporter and he said he would have this to the police within 5 minutes.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Magnolia on January 13, 2010, 09:22:28 PM
Here is contact information for WOAI TV news tips in San Antonio.

News Tips: NewsDesk@woaitv.com


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Gizzie on January 13, 2010, 09:23:05 PM
Klaas,
Do you want me to do this? or have you already tried to contact someone?
I'm not interested in the reward, just the baby.  I just don't want to duplicate report it and bug LE.

By the way O4Bull - that was a fantastic find!


:smt045  :smt038 :smt038


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: klaasend on January 13, 2010, 09:24:23 PM
Hey guys I just got off the phone with the reporter and he said he would have this to the police within 5 minutes.


Great news Darla!


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: darla on January 13, 2010, 09:25:32 PM
Great find o4bull. Praying this is what they need to find the baby. Oh Dear God in Heaven let this be what they need.

The reporter was on hiis way home when he called me back and he and he went nuts when I read it to him. He also pulled it up on his phone and said he was turning around going back to the PD. Said he would call me back .


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: O4Bull on January 13, 2010, 09:30:42 PM
I just got off the phone with the FBI.  Don't know why that made me so nervous.  ::MonkeyDevil::
I told him what I found and emailed him the link. 


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Mere on January 13, 2010, 09:30:50 PM
Klaas,
Do you want me to do this? or have you already tried to contact someone?
I'm not interested in the reward, just the baby.  I just don't want to duplicate report it and bug LE.

By the way O4Bull - that was a fantastic find!

Get those new panties ready....you did great....!!!  Thanks.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 13, 2010, 09:31:36 PM
Great find o4bull. Praying this is what they need to find the baby. Oh Dear God in Heaven let this be what they need.

The reporter was on hiis way home when he called me back and he and he went nuts when I read it to him. He also pulled it up on his phone and said he was turning around going back to the PD. Said he would call me back .

 ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: darla on January 13, 2010, 09:31:40 PM
I don't know about the rest of you guys but I am shaking all over.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 13, 2010, 09:32:20 PM
I just got off the phone with the FBI.  Don't know why that made me so nervous.  ::MonkeyDevil::
I told him what I found and emailed him the link. 

 ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: O4Bull on January 13, 2010, 09:32:46 PM
Darla,
great news.  Monkeys are so resourceful.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: klaasend on January 13, 2010, 09:33:01 PM
Trying to visualize the possible scenerio.

1.  Couple from WI are working with an adoption agency in San Antonio for a private adoption.
2.  Eliz contacts this agency in San Antonio and says she wants to give up her baby.  She may have faked documents from the birth father giving up his rights.
3.  Eliz hands over Gabriel to the agency people on December 26
4.  Agency people give the baby to Beth and her husband on 1/1/10 and they remain in San Antonio to finish the paperwork.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: MuffyBee on January 13, 2010, 09:33:28 PM
I don't know about the rest of you guys but I am shaking all over.

 :smt045 :smt045 :smt045


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Magnolia on January 13, 2010, 09:33:51 PM
I just got off the phone with the FBI.  Don't know why that made me so nervous.  ::MonkeyDevil::
I told him what I found and emailed him the link. 


Good for you O4Bull.  That was a great find.  FBI is scary!!


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: klaasend on January 13, 2010, 09:34:16 PM
I just got off the phone with the FBI.  Don't know why that made me so nervous.  ::MonkeyDevil::
I told him what I found and emailed him the link. 

Thank you O4Bull.  I'd much rather they get duplicates of stuff in this case.  Maybe the FBI can track down this Beth and the adoption agency. 


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: darla on January 13, 2010, 09:34:22 PM
 ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: WAY TO GO 04BULL!!!!!!! ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Tracygirl on January 13, 2010, 09:34:26 PM
I don't know about the rest of you guys but I am shaking all over.

I have happy chills! I pray this is the answer, way to go ,OMG!!!

Due to experiance, the more people calling this in the better. We do not want LE to just shrug this off although I could not imagine them doing so.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 13, 2010, 09:35:36 PM
ABC 15 - MyAZNews

http://www.abc15.com/content/news/myaznews/default.aspx


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Tracygirl on January 13, 2010, 09:36:16 PM
Oh gosh what if the adopting couple believed this to be a true adoption? How heartbroken they are going to be. I will keep them in prayer as well.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 13, 2010, 09:36:36 PM
I don't know about the rest of you guys but I am shaking all over.

I have happy chills! I pray this is the answer, way to go ,OMG!!!

Due to experiance, the more people calling this in the better. We do not want LE to just shrug this off although I could not imagine them doing so.

I agree Tracygirl.

Janet


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Gizzie on January 13, 2010, 09:37:00 PM
I don't know about the rest of you guys but I am shaking all over.

How cool will that be to see on NG..."O4Bull, blogger from Scared Monkeys solves missing Gabriel mystery".  ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: theboyzmom on January 13, 2010, 09:37:06 PM
Klaas,
Do you want me to do this? or have you already tried to contact someone?
I'm not interested in the reward, just the baby.  I just don't want to duplicate report it and bug LE.

By the way O4Bull - that was a fantastic find!


:smt045  :smt038 :smt038

Great find O4Bull - glad it is going to LE I think it is worth having them check it out.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: O4Bull on January 13, 2010, 09:37:37 PM
Klaas,
Do you want me to do this? or have you already tried to contact someone?
I'm not interested in the reward, just the baby.  I just don't want to duplicate report it and bug LE.

By the way O4Bull - that was a fantastic find!

Get those new panties ready....you did great....!!!  Thanks.
I am gonna need some new panties!  I've never called the f b i before!  Once my mom got a call from them!!  There was a missing child who happened to look not very much a little tiny bit like my daughter and they were sitting outside her home when they called.  She had my daughter with her and someone must have turned my mom in.  LOL
My mom was freaking out that they were going to take my daughter and called me.  I've been scared of them since. ::MonkeyJnBox::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 13, 2010, 09:39:48 PM
I just got off the phone with the FBI.  Don't know why that made me so nervous.  ::MonkeyDevil::
I told him what I found and emailed him the link. 

Your nervous reactions are understandable 04Bull.  This all may just a huge coincidence but ... it is huge nevertheless.

 ::MonkeyAngel::

Janet


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: darla on January 13, 2010, 09:40:37 PM
This reporter had posted on their site last week to send in your questions and they would try to answer them....so I sent in one Asking if Jack and Tammi had been checked into for baby brokering. He emailed me and asked that I call him and he gave me his cell number.  He wanted to know what I knew and if I knew Jack and Tammi. I explained to him who I was and that I belonged to scared monkeys. He laughed and said that he was wondering what SM was because all the questions he got were from Sm members but 3. So we have been emailing back and forth since then, And he told me if we found anything to call him. Just wanted you guys to know how I was in contact with him.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Tracygirl on January 13, 2010, 09:45:33 PM
Darla you did good too! Great thinking on your part to get the press involved, it will help to ensure LE digs further.

So this beth person is anyone working on her at all? I can't get onto her blog. What does she look like, anyone see a pic? Does it match up with what EJ said?


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: cartfly on January 13, 2010, 09:47:14 PM
I don't know about the rest of you guys but I am shaking all over.

I have happy chills! I pray this is the answer, way to go ,OMG!!!

Due to experiance, the more people calling this in the better. We do not want LE to just shrug this off although I could not imagine them doing so.

I got the happy chills and tears to go along with it!!! OMG O4Bull you are superfragalistick (sp?) for finding this!!!!!!!  ::MonkeySlide:: ::MonkeySlide:: ::MonkeySlide:: Thanks to all of you too that had the contacts to get this out there. I am so excited I think I just peed on myself..(just kidding about the pee) ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 13, 2010, 09:47:41 PM
Trying to visualize the possible scenerio.

1.  Couple from WI are working with an adoption agency in San Antonio for a private adoption.
2.  Eliz contacts this agency in San Antonio and says she wants to give up her baby.  She may have faked documents from the birth father giving up his rights.
3.  Eliz hands over Gabriel to the agency people on December 26
4.  Agency people give the baby to Beth and her husband on 1/1/10 and they remain in San Antonio to finish the paperwork.


Klaas ... your scenario could be exactly what took place.

I just cannot comprehend why all those involved with the adoption process have not clued in with all the media attention encompassing missing Gabriel ... clued in and contacted authorities.

Janet


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: klaasend on January 13, 2010, 09:48:14 PM
Darla you did good too! Great thinking on your part to get the press involved, it will help to ensure LE digs further.

So this beth person is anyone working on her at all? I can't get onto her blog. What does she look like, anyone see a pic? Does it match up with what EJ said?

Beth was just a person posting on someone else's blog about a product "Project Life" that Becky Higgins was selling.  It's like a photo album organizer thing.  http://www.beckyhiggins.com/blog/2010/01/sharing-enthusiasm.html

Beth's comment was to explain how she was going to be using the product.

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub8/BethBabyGabriel.jpg)


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: no rose colored glasses on January 13, 2010, 09:50:28 PM
This reporter had posted on their site last week to send in your questions and they would try to answer them....so I sent in one Asking if Jack and Tammi had been checked into for baby brokering. He emailed me and asked that I call him and he gave me his cell number.  He wanted to know what I knew and if I knew Jack and Tammi. I explained to him who I was and that I belonged to scared monkeys. He laughed and said that he was wondering what SM was because all the questions he got were from Sm members but 3. So we have been emailing back and forth since then, And he told me if we found anything to call him. Just wanted you guys to know how I was in contact with him.
That's great, praying that this couple from WI has baby Gabriel  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: klaasend on January 13, 2010, 09:51:05 PM
Trying to visualize the possible scenerio.

1.  Couple from WI are working with an adoption agency in San Antonio for a private adoption.
2.  Eliz contacts this agency in San Antonio and says she wants to give up her baby.  She may have faked documents from the birth father giving up his rights.
3.  Eliz hands over Gabriel to the agency people on December 26
4.  Agency people give the baby to Beth and her husband on 1/1/10 and they remain in San Antonio to finish the paperwork.


Klaas ... your scenario could be exactly what took place.

I just cannot comprehend why all those involved with the adoption process have not clued in with all the media attention encompassing missing Gabriel ... clued in and contacted authorities.

Janet

I'm thinking that the agency is freaking out at the moment.  The couple (Beth and her husband) may not be aware yet if they are spending all their time playing with their adopted baby and not watching the news.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: cartfly on January 13, 2010, 09:51:51 PM
I don't know about the rest of you guys but I am shaking all over.

How cool will that be to see on NG..."O4Bull, blogger from Scared Monkeys solves missing Gabriel mystery".  ::MonkeyDance::

Yeah, O4Bull can show Nancy what sexy really is!!!! ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: cookie on January 13, 2010, 09:52:44 PM
Wonder if she named Craig Cherry as a possible father just to tick off Logan in hopes he would sign the papers knowing she had messed around with someone else.

Since he claims he and Tammi were close, I would love to know how much Mr. Cherry knows.

I would think the plan was to have Cherry sign over his rights to the baby.   However, this plan fell of the tracks when Logan took paternity test to prove he was the father.  If Logan had not of done that, then I would think Tammi would have Cherry sign the papers saying he terminates his rights.

bingo! skipped ahead to comment on this ...now back to catch up..pages behind..:)


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Searching on January 13, 2010, 09:53:56 PM
Great work monkeys. Darla, did you send him this latest info?

as for them not keying in, well, I think as soon as the story broke both the new adoptive parents and adoption agency were trying to make sure they CYA'd as well as finding a loop hole to help the new parents keep baby Gabe. just a thought.

I am not having a very good day but have been checking in to see if there has been a break in baby Gabes case and will continue to do so until he is found.... Take care all and I hope this is the one.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: cartfly on January 13, 2010, 09:55:02 PM
Klaas,
Do you want me to do this? or have you already tried to contact someone?
I'm not interested in the reward, just the baby.  I just don't want to duplicate report it and bug LE.

By the way O4Bull - that was a fantastic find!

Get those new panties ready....you did great....!!!  Thanks.
I am gonna need some new panties!  I've never called the f b i before!  Once my mom got a call from them!!  There was a missing child who happened to look not very much a little tiny bit like my daughter and they were sitting outside her home when they called.  She had my daughter with her and someone must have turned my mom in.  LOL
My mom was freaking out that they were going to take my daughter and called me.  I've been scared of them since. ::MonkeyJnBox::
::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::
Quite frankly, calling the FBI would warrant a panty change for me too. Thank you for having the courage to call them and the intuition that this could possibly be something!!!  ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: cookie on January 13, 2010, 09:59:00 PM
This is a huge longshot, and I do want to emphasize that I only mention it because of the dates, and the name and the state.
This poster says they just had a baby Gabriel placed into their care on January 1, in San Antonio.  Blogger said her name is "Beth".
Just a bunch of coincidences, IMO.  Still, probably nothing?

found here:  http://www.beckyhiggins.com/blog/2010/01/sharing-enthusiasm.html


Blogger Beth said...

    I live in WI, but am currently in San Antonio, TX. My husband and I are adopting a handsome baby boy that was placed into our care on January 1. I've decided to make my project life about Baby Gabriel. Even though I won't be home when my project arrives I am clicking away taking his photo here in San Antonio.
    January 4, 2010 1:45 PM

this could be something! good work! hope that it is baby Gabriel


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: cookie on January 13, 2010, 10:01:18 PM
good work Darla and all monkeys who have uncovered some fantastic articles and ideas to ponder on this missing child! ya hoo! monkeys rock...


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: mymonkey on January 13, 2010, 10:02:48 PM
Trying to visualize the possible scenerio.

1.  Couple from WI are working with an adoption agency in San Antonio for a private adoption.
2.  Eliz contacts this agency in San Antonio and says she wants to give up her baby.  She may have faked documents from the birth father giving up his rights.
3.  Eliz hands over Gabriel to the agency people on December 26
4.  Agency people give the baby to Beth and her husband on 1/1/10 and they remain in San Antonio to finish the paperwork.


Klaas ... your scenario could be exactly what took place.

I just cannot comprehend why all those involved with the adoption process have not clued in with all the media attention encompassing missing Gabriel ... clued in and contacted authorities.

Janet

I'm thinking that the agency is freaking out at the moment.  The couple (Beth and her husband) may not be aware yet if they are spending all their time playing with their adopted baby and not watching the news.

I was reading very fast thru her blog and read that she had been in Mexico at wedding also ::MonkeyEek:: recentley


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: darla on January 13, 2010, 10:03:28 PM
Beth has a Blogger acct, but she just made it this month and there is nothing on it. Which is odd, if she just adopted a new baby. You would think she would have put up pictures by now.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: darla on January 13, 2010, 10:06:07 PM
04Bull we must fine you some nice fine thongs to wear on Nancy Grace. You deserve pure silk ones for your outstanding work tonight.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 13, 2010, 10:06:25 PM
I just got off the phone with the FBI.  Don't know why that made me so nervous.  ::MonkeyDevil::
I told him what I found and emailed him the link. 

 ::MonkeyDance::   ::MonkeyAngel::   ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: klaasend on January 13, 2010, 10:06:26 PM
Beth has a Blogger acct, but she just made it this month and there is nothing on it. Which is odd, if she just adopted a new baby. You would think she would have put up pictures by now.

I think the only reason Beth has a blogger account was to post that comment on Becky's blog.  You know, you want to say something and they make you get an account and won't let you post anonymously.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: cartfly on January 13, 2010, 10:09:48 PM

I just got a confirmation from one of Tammis relatives about Tammi's age and birthdate.

I was told that "yes, she is 37 years old and born in 1972"


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: no rose colored glasses on January 13, 2010, 10:10:08 PM
04Bull we must fine you some nice fine thongs to wear on Nancy Grace. You deserve pure silk ones for your outstanding work tonight.
  ::MonkeyDance:: Only the best for 04Bull


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: mymonkey on January 13, 2010, 10:10:45 PM
Trying to visualize the possible scenerio.

1.  Couple from WI are working with an adoption agency in San Antonio for a private adoption.
2.  Eliz contacts this agency in San Antonio and says she wants to give up her baby.  She may have faked documents from the birth father giving up his rights.
3.  Eliz hands over Gabriel to the agency people on December 26
4.  Agency people give the baby to Beth and her husband on 1/1/10 and they remain in San Antonio to finish the paperwork.


Klaas ... your scenario could be exactly what took place.

I just cannot comprehend why all those involved with the adoption process have not clued in with all the media attention encompassing missing Gabriel ... clued in and contacted authorities.

Janet

I'm thinking that the agency is freaking out at the moment.  The couple (Beth and her husband) may not be aware yet if they are spending all their time playing with their adopted baby and not watching the news.

I was reading very fast thru her blog and read that she had been in Mexico at wedding also ::MonkeyEek:: recentley



Sorry forget that post I got the Becky and Beth confused


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: O4Bull on January 13, 2010, 10:20:34 PM
Trying to visualize the possible scenerio.

1.  Couple from WI are working with an adoption agency in San Antonio for a private adoption.
2.  Eliz contacts this agency in San Antonio and says she wants to give up her baby.  She may have faked documents from the birth father giving up his rights.
3.  Eliz hands over Gabriel to the agency people on December 26
4.  Agency people give the baby to Beth and her husband on 1/1/10 and they remain in San Antonio to finish the paperwork.


Klaas ... your scenario could be exactly what took place.

I just cannot comprehend why all those involved with the adoption process have not clued in with all the media attention encompassing missing Gabriel ... clued in and contacted authorities.

Janet

I'm thinking that the agency is freaking out at the moment.  The couple (Beth and her husband) may not be aware yet if they are spending all their time playing with their adopted baby and not watching the news.

I was reading very fast thru her blog and read that she had been in Mexico at wedding also ::MonkeyEek:: recentley
The lady (Becky Higgins) who writes the blog went to Mexico, not the poster "Beth".  Beth was commenting on Becky's blog.  I couldn't find anything else out about "Beth".  I think Klaas is right, she created an account to comment.  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: O4Bull on January 13, 2010, 10:21:57 PM
Sorry, MyMonkey
I see you figured that out already.  I'm being distracted by my monkeys who don't want to go to bed.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Tracygirl on January 13, 2010, 10:22:54 PM
Darla you did good too! Great thinking on your part to get the press involved, it will help to ensure LE digs further.

So this beth person is anyone working on her at all? I can't get onto her blog. What does she look like, anyone see a pic? Does it match up with what EJ said?

Beth was just a person posting on someone else's blog about a product "Project Life" that Becky Higgins was selling.  It's like a photo album organizer thing.  http://www.beckyhiggins.com/blog/2010/01/sharing-enthusiasm.html

Beth's comment was to explain how she was going to be using the product.

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub8/BethBabyGabriel.jpg)

Thanks for clearing that up! I got a bit confused. So I wonder if this is Gabriel Johnson, where was he for 4 days prior?


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: darla on January 13, 2010, 10:23:23 PM
She had posted something else also under another blog, but it didn't have anything to do with the baby or adoption.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: seahorse on January 13, 2010, 10:23:34 PM

How interesting is this?


 ::MonkeyGavel::

http://www.eastvalleytribune.com/story/149469

FBI questions Texas group in missing kid case
Comments 0| Recommend 2
Mike Sakal, Tribune

January 13, 2010 - 4:59PM

 The nationwide search for a missing 8-month-old Tempe boy has led FBI agents to question employees of a San Antonio organization that oversees the licensing of colon-cleansing practitioners.

The International Association of Colon Hydrotherapists certified Tammi Smith of Scottsdale, who was named a person of interest in the search for Gabriel Johnson.

The boy's mother, 23-year-old Elizabeth Johnson, was last seen with Gabriel on Dec. 26 at a motel about a block away from the organization's offices.

"It's a long shot, but we're questioning people there to see if there is a connection," said Kim Hale, commander of investigations for the Tempe Police Department. "Our focus continues to be in San Antonio where the child was last seen."

Smith owns Healing Waters in Sun City West and in Glendale, according to her company's Web site. Her husband, Jack Smith, also was named a person of interest in the case. The couple had said they were interested in adopting Gabriel from his mother and father, Logan McQueary. Police have said the Smiths are withholding information that could lead them to the baby boy.

Johnson was arrested at a youth hostel in Miami Beach, Fla., on Dec. 30 and was extradited to Arizona late Saturday on suspicion of custodial interference, kidnapping and child abuse. She is being held in the Maricopa County Estrella Jail on a $1.1 million cash bond and has been uncooperative with authorities since her arrest, Hale said.

Hale said Wednesday that investigators are trying to determine whether Johnson, 23, gave the child away in San Antonio as she told the FBI, or killed the baby. Johnson told McQueary, her estranged boyfriend, by phone and text message on Dec. 27 that she killed the baby and put its body in a dumpster in a diaper bag, according to a Maricopa County Superior Court document.

Polygraph inconclusive in missing baby case

Mother of missing child returned to Valley

 

However, police have said they believe the baby is still alive.

When Johnson was arrested, she had about $500 cash on her, according to police.

Hale said there was a certain amount of planning that Johnson did before she left Arizona with the baby on Dec. 18, and investigators believe she had some kind of help.

"We know originally, she sold a couple of dogs, she had a roommate that gave her about $400, and she had some social services assistance," Hale said. "When you start adding up all that, we estimated she had about $1,200 when she left. By the time you start calculating the drive, gas, motel stays and shopping in Miami, and her having about $500 cash on her at the time of her arrest, the numbers don't add up. Somewhere along the way, she came into some extra funds."

The International Association of Colon Hydrotherapists claims it is the only organization that certifies colon hydrotherapists and has about 2,500 members throughout the United States and in other countries, the association's spokeswoman said.

The Smiths took a polygraph administered by Tempe police on Friday, and the results came back as inconclusive, according to police.

Jack Smith told the Tribune on Wednesday that Tammi visited Johnson in jail and he was not sure whether Tammi had ever been in San Antonio "in her life."

San Antonio police opened a missing persons investigation into Gabriel on Thursday, and a $5,000 reward now is being offered for the safe return of Gabriel through Crime Stoppers in San Antonio. If anyone has any information about Gabriel's whereabouts, they can call (210) 224-7867.

Tips can also be submitted online at www.sacrimestoppers.com, or by text-messaging "Tip 127 plus your tip" to CRIMES (274637).

Hale said Wednesday that investigators also have a GPS tracking device that was recovered from the 1995 white Delta 88 Oldsmobile she abandoned in San Antonio on Dec. 27 before boarding a bus to Miami.

If anyone knows of Gabriel Johnson's whereabouts, they also can call the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children at 1-800-843-5678.



Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 13, 2010, 10:23:40 PM
Beth has a Blogger acct, but she just made it this month and there is nothing on it. Which is odd, if she just adopted a new baby. You would think she would have put up pictures by now.

I think the only reason Beth has a blogger account was to post that comment on Becky's blog.  You know, you want to say something and they make you get an account and won't let you post anonymously.

I may have misunderstood but ... this excited new Mom apparented ordered the Project Life from Becky and ... it would have been delivered by the time she got home.  I believe Project Life may be a fancy photo album.  This would imply that in the course of the investigation the authorities could obtain Beth's MI address through Becky and check it out.

Janet


++++++

Blogger Beth said...

I live in WI, but am currently in San Antonio, TX. My husband and I are adopting a handsome baby boy that was placed into our care on January 1. I've decided to make my project life about Baby Gabriel. Even though I won't be home when my project arrives I am clicking away taking his photo here in San Antonio.

January 4, 2010 1:45 PM

http://www.beckyhiggins.com/blog/2010/01/sharing-enthusiasm.html


Becky's Blog
Monday, January 4, 2010


sharing the enthusiasm

First, a visual update of where I'm starting to notice more Project Life deliveries in a few more states today -- MONDAY.

It sounds like some of you are taking a picture when Project Life is delivered to you. Just for fun ... send me a picture of you holding your Project Life kit (doesn't matter if it's still in the box or not). I'm going to do something fun with those pictures.

Likewise ... If you want to email a brief testimonial about Project Life, drop me an email. By sending me a picture and/or testimonial, you're giving me permission to potentially use it on the website.

I'd love to hear from you. Send your photos and testimonials to

projectlife@beckyhiggins.com.

http://www.beckyhiggins.com/blog/2010/01/sharing-enthusiasm.html


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: mymonkey on January 13, 2010, 10:23:58 PM
Trying to visualize the possible scenerio.

1.  Couple from WI are working with an adoption agency in San Antonio for a private adoption.
2.  Eliz contacts this agency in San Antonio and says she wants to give up her baby.  She may have faked documents from the birth father giving up his rights.
3.  Eliz hands over Gabriel to the agency people on December 26
4.  Agency people give the baby to Beth and her husband on 1/1/10 and they remain in San Antonio to finish the paperwork.


Klaas ... your scenario could be exactly what took place.

I just cannot comprehend why all those involved with the adoption process have not clued in with all the media attention encompassing missing Gabriel ... clued in and contacted authorities.

Janet

I'm thinking that the agency is freaking out at the moment.  The couple (Beth and her husband) may not be aware yet if they are spending all their time playing with their adopted baby and not watching the news.

I was reading very fast thru her blog and read that she had been in Mexico at wedding also ::MonkeyEek:: recentley
The lady (Becky Higgins) who writes the blog went to Mexico, not the poster "Beth".  Beth was commenting on Becky's blog.  I couldn't find anything else out about "Beth".  I think Klaas is right, she created an account to comment.  ::MonkeyAngel::


Thanks I reread and corrected  myself...sorry


Thanks for the find....praying its Gabriel.



Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Tracygirl on January 13, 2010, 10:29:43 PM
I am still stunned this was found. How could this not be the same baby? The same time frame, the same town, the same name...Praying this is the same baby


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 13, 2010, 10:34:10 PM

How interesting is this?


 ::MonkeyGavel::

http://www.eastvalleytribune.com/story/149469

FBI questions Texas group in missing kid case
Comments 0| Recommend 2
Mike Sakal, Tribune

January 13, 2010 - 4:59PM

 The nationwide search for a missing 8-month-old Tempe boy has led FBI agents to question employees of a San Antonio organization that oversees the licensing of colon-cleansing practitioners.

The International Association of Colon Hydrotherapists certified Tammi Smith of Scottsdale, who was named a person of interest in the search for Gabriel Johnson.

The boy's mother, 23-year-old Elizabeth Johnson, was last seen with Gabriel on Dec. 26 at a motel about a block away from the organization's offices.

"It's a long shot, but we're questioning people there to see if there is a connection," said Kim Hale, commander of investigations for the Tempe Police Department. "Our focus continues to be in San Antonio where the child was last seen."

Smith owns Healing Waters in Sun City West and in Glendale, according to her company's Web site. Her husband, Jack Smith, also was named a person of interest in the case. The couple had said they were interested in adopting Gabriel from his mother and father, Logan McQueary. Police have said the Smiths are withholding information that could lead them to the baby boy.

Johnson was arrested at a youth hostel in Miami Beach, Fla., on Dec. 30 and was extradited to Arizona late Saturday on suspicion of custodial interference, kidnapping and child abuse. She is being held in the Maricopa County Estrella Jail on a $1.1 million cash bond and has been uncooperative with authorities since her arrest, Hale said.

Hale said Wednesday that investigators are trying to determine whether Johnson, 23, gave the child away in San Antonio as she told the FBI, or killed the baby. Johnson told McQueary, her estranged boyfriend, by phone and text message on Dec. 27 that she killed the baby and put its body in a dumpster in a diaper bag, according to a Maricopa County Superior Court document.

Polygraph inconclusive in missing baby case

Mother of missing child returned to Valley

 

However, police have said they believe the baby is still alive.

When Johnson was arrested, she had about $500 cash on her, according to police.

Hale said there was a certain amount of planning that Johnson did before she left Arizona with the baby on Dec. 18, and investigators believe she had some kind of help.

"We know originally, she sold a couple of dogs, she had a roommate that gave her about $400, and she had some social services assistance," Hale said. "When you start adding up all that, we estimated she had about $1,200 when she left. By the time you start calculating the drive, gas, motel stays and shopping in Miami, and her having about $500 cash on her at the time of her arrest, the numbers don't add up. Somewhere along the way, she came into some extra funds."

The International Association of Colon Hydrotherapists claims it is the only organization that certifies colon hydrotherapists and has about 2,500 members throughout the United States and in other countries, the association's spokeswoman said.

The Smiths took a polygraph administered by Tempe police on Friday, and the results came back as inconclusive, according to police.

Jack Smith told the Tribune on Wednesday that Tammi visited Johnson in jail and he was not sure whether Tammi had ever been in San Antonio "in her life."

San Antonio police opened a missing persons investigation into Gabriel on Thursday, and a $5,000 reward now is being offered for the safe return of Gabriel through Crime Stoppers in San Antonio. If anyone has any information about Gabriel's whereabouts, they can call (210) 224-7867.

Tips can also be submitted online at www.sacrimestoppers.com, or by text-messaging "Tip 127 plus your tip" to CRIMES (274637).

Hale said Wednesday that investigators also have a GPS tracking device that was recovered from the 1995 white Delta 88 Oldsmobile she abandoned in San Antonio on Dec. 27 before boarding a bus to Miami.

If anyone knows of Gabriel Johnson's whereabouts, they also can call the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children at 1-800-843-5678.



Jack Smith told the Tribune on Wednesday that Tammi visited Johnson in jail and he was not sure whether Tammi had ever been in San Antonio "in her life."   ::MonkeyEek::

CRIDENTIALS: Tammi Fay Peters Smith

January of 2005 - Certified on the Hydro San Plus - Colon Hydro Therapy Machine 


April of 2005 – Certified as a Colon Hydro Therapist through the American Institute of Natural Health of California


April of 2007 – Level 3-Advanced Certified in Colon Hydro Therapy, Parasitology and Colon Implantation, through the International School of Colon Hydro Therapy, INC. in Juno Beach, Florida


May of 2007 – Level 3-Advanced Certified in Colon Hydro Therapy through I-ACT
International Association for Colon Hydro Therapy in San Antonio, Texas


Because of all Tammi Smith’s Certifications and experience, she has recently been accepted into the I-ACT Instructor Level courses to become an I-ACT Certified Teacher.  She is hopeful to finish all her classes and open her I-ACT Recognized School and Retreat Center, by this spring in Scottsdale, Arizona.


In May of 2009, Tammi will have accomplished enough accreditations with I-ACT to sit for the National Board of Colon Hydro Therapy.


*Tammi is also currently working on finishing her Masters of Science Degree in Naturopathic Medicine, to become a Doctor of Naturopathy.


*All proof of certifications and any medical experience are kept on file in our Phoenix, AZ 85083 office for any clients needing verification.  Or if you go to the I-ACT website

http://www.healingwatersaz.com/Credentials.html


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 13, 2010, 10:36:22 PM
Here is contact information for WOAI TV news tips in San Antonio.

News Tips: NewsDesk@woaitv.com

Response:


Hi there!  We saw that, too, but the day it was posted makes us wonder if this is a cruel joke or real.  We're alerting the police just in case.
 
Thank you for bringing it to our attention and have a great day!
[/i]


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: klaasend on January 13, 2010, 10:37:54 PM
Dress thong (for interviews):   ::MonkeyDevil::

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub8/o4bullpink.jpg)


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: O4Bull on January 13, 2010, 10:45:35 PM
Dress thong (for interviews):   ::MonkeyDevil::

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub8/o4bullpink.jpg)
  ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: O4Bull on January 13, 2010, 10:47:01 PM
Here is contact information for WOAI TV news tips in San Antonio.

News Tips: NewsDesk@woaitv.com

Response:


Hi there!  We saw that, too, but the day it was posted makes us wonder if this is a cruel joke or real.  We're alerting the police just in case.
 
Thank you for bringing it to our attention and have a great day!
[/i]

Janet,
is this the reply you received?  ::MonkeyEek::  they think it was a cruel joke?


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 13, 2010, 10:47:25 PM
Dress thong (for interviews):   ::MonkeyDevil::

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub8/o4bullpink.jpg)

OOOOW!


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: O4Bull on January 13, 2010, 10:49:30 PM
Dress thong (for interviews):   ::MonkeyDevil::

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub8/o4bullpink.jpg)

OOOOW!

Klaas is helping me bring sexy back!   ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: klaasend on January 13, 2010, 10:50:19 PM
Did we post this already?

http://www.ksat.com/news/22226868/detail.html

(http://www.ksat.com/2010/0113/22221188_320X180.jpg)

Baby Gabriel's Mother Speaks Out
Elizabeth Johnson Describes SA Couple She Says She Gave Gabriel To


POSTED: Wednesday, January 13, 2010
UPDATED: 9:17 pm CST January 13, 2010
SAN ANTONIO -- Tammy Smith, the woman Tempe police named as a "person of interest" after learning she tried to adopt 8-month-old Gabriel Johnson against his father's wishes, said she spoke with Gabriel's mother, Elizabeth Johnson, in jail Wednesday.

Smith said Johnson gave her a physical description of the San Antonio couple Elizabeth allegedly gave Gabriel to.

"The husband is tall, not hugely fat, but big," Smith said Elizabeth said. "The woman is (Elizabeth's) size with long blonde hair."

Smith said Johnson even described the exchange of Gabriel in her hotel room.

"She said, 'I was in the hotel room, they came in the hotel room (and) I held (Gabriel) and we talked,'" Smith said.

Smith said Elizabeth told her the woman put Gabriel in a car seat and they left the hotel room.

Smith told Arizona reporters she believes Gabriel is still alive.

"I looked in her (Elizabeth's) eyes and I can tell you that baby is alive," Smith said. "That baby is alive. There is no doubt in my mind."

Smith said Johnson told her she does not believe the couple she gave Gabriel to will ever come forward.

"According to (Elizabeth), they are trying to hide this baby because they believe in a few years nobody will notice who this baby is," Smith said.

Crime Stoppers on Wednesday offered a $5,000 reward for information that leads to the safe return of Gabriel, who was in San Antonio recently.

According to police, Gabriel arrived in San Antonio on Dec. 20 with his mother, Elizabeth Johnson, who was involved in a custody dispute with the baby's father in Tempe, Ariz. Elizabeth Johnson checked into the Home Gate Suites at 10950 Laureate for the week of Dec. 20, police said.

The baby was last seen in the early-morning hours of Dec. 26 in San Antonio, police said. The next day, Elizabeth Johnson boarded a bus for Ft. Lauderdale, Fla., without her son, police said.

Gabriel's last known whereabouts are believed to be in the San Antonio area. Investigators were looking into the claims that Elizabeth Johnson gave the baby away.

Elizabeth Johnson was arrested in Florida and was extradited to Arizona, where she was charged with kidnapping, child abuse and custodial interference. She is refusing to cooperate with police.

Anyone with information on Gabriel Johnson is urged to call Crime Stoppers at 210-224-STOP (7867). To text a tip, text Tip 127 and the tip to CRIMES (274637).

I believe the above is a lie.  If Eliz gave Gabriel to anyone it was likely the baby BROKER.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 13, 2010, 10:51:35 PM
Here is contact information for WOAI TV news tips in San Antonio.

News Tips: NewsDesk@woaitv.com

Response:


Hi there!  We saw that, too, but the day it was posted makes us wonder if this is a cruel joke or real.  We're alerting the police just in case.
 
Thank you for bringing it to our attention and have a great day!
[/i]

Janet,
is this the reply you received?  ::MonkeyEek::  they think it was a cruel joke?


Yes.  That is the the reply I received in full.

O4Bull ... a cruel joke did go through my mind when I first read the post.  However ... apparently the Project Life Kit was ordered from Becky which would imply that Beth would have provided an address and ... probably would have paid online for the Kit.

Anyways ... the station is passing the tip to authorities.

Janet


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 13, 2010, 10:58:46 PM
When I consider Caylee's mom, Shaniya's mom and Gabriel's mom ... each of these young women were so blessed ... blessed with a treasure that was beyond worth but ... they each thew their respective blessing/treausre away like trash.  I cannot comprehend.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Janet


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: O4Bull on January 13, 2010, 11:00:50 PM
Janet,
I don't know why someone would post that as a cruel joke, but anything is possible.  I have bookmarked Becky's site because the Project Life Scrapbook she developed has sold out twice, and I kept checking back to see if any more had arrived.  I just happened upon that post when I was reading other's reactions to the book.  I wouldn't think it would be seen by that many people, if it were a joke, it looks like it would have been posted on a far busier site.  JMO

Now, what I'm really worried about is that someone will think I posted it as a joke.  ( don't want to be the "r o y k r u n k" of this case )
 ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyShocked::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: klaasend on January 13, 2010, 11:01:20 PM
I don't get the feeling that BETH is a cruel joke.  It's either the real deal or an amazing coincidence.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: O4Bull on January 13, 2010, 11:05:50 PM
Klaas,
That's what I think too.  I think that if this is a big huge coincidence, BETH may be in for a surprise.  ( and if not, she's in for a bigger one)  I don't think she would post that, if she is real, and if it's the same baby Gabriel.  I would think she's not aware it's the same baby.  JMO


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 13, 2010, 11:08:45 PM
Janet,
I don't know why someone would post that as a cruel joke, but anything is possible.  I have bookmarked Becky's site because the Project Life Scrapbook she developed has sold out twice, and I kept checking back to see if any more had arrived.  I just happened upon that post when I was reading other's reactions to the book.  I wouldn't think it would be seen by that many people, if it were a joke, it looks like it would have been posted on a far busier site.  JMO

Now, what I'm really worried about is that someone will think I posted it as a joke.  ( don't want to be the "r o y k r u n k" of this case )
 ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyShocked::

I do not think that anybody would think that O4Bull.  The reporter who contacted me was referring to the time of Beth's post.  I somehow believe that Beth did adopt a baby boy named Gabriel and excitely shared it with Becky when she ordered the Project Life Kit from Becky.  I pray that the adoption agency she received her baby from is on the up and up.

Janet

Edit:  typo.  MB
 


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: MuffyBee on January 13, 2010, 11:09:32 PM
I hope it isn't a cruel joke, but there is so much at stake here, I think ya'll did the best thing and that's to report it to the authorities and let them look at it.  It's better to error on the side of caution.  If there's a chance it leads to baby Gabriel, it's worth it, I would think.   ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Tracygirl on January 13, 2010, 11:09:40 PM
Now how could the press
Here is contact information for WOAI TV news tips in San Antonio.

News Tips: NewsDesk@woaitv.com

Response:


Hi there!  We saw that, too, but the day it was posted makes us wonder if this is a cruel joke or real.  We're alerting the police just in case.
 
Thank you for bringing it to our attention and have a great day!
[/i]
It was posted on the 4th..What else happened on the 4th in this case? Is that the day Elizabeth first spoke about giving the baby away?
See how things like this are just shrugged off? Happens all of the time. This deserves to be investigated.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: cartfly on January 13, 2010, 11:11:31 PM
Here is contact information for WOAI TV news tips in San Antonio.

News Tips: NewsDesk@woaitv.com

Response:


Hi there!  We saw that, too, but the day it was posted makes us wonder if this is a cruel joke or real.  We're alerting the police just in case.
 
Thank you for bringing it to our attention and have a great day!
[/i]

I think that would be an odd place to post a "cruel joke". I mean what are the chances someone would come across it there? I hope they do check it out as the IP address could be traced from the website. It is a longshot but the most promissing I have seen. And I am hoping like Klassend mentioned earlier the new mom may be just spending all her time playing with her beautiful new son.

Either way, great find and thanks to all of you who researched this case from the beginning. ::MonkeyAngel::

Praying little Gabriel will be found safe and sound soon. ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: SuzieQ on January 13, 2010, 11:12:55 PM
O4Bull, praying this is the real thing. Finally caught up.
Darla, not a thing on Nicki. Sorry


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Tracygirl on January 13, 2010, 11:13:57 PM
IF this was a cruel joke then they are not very good about posting comments to be found. This is a little internet scrap booking site, not like amazon or ebay or something.

I don't think anyone is going to think anything other then this was either a miracle many people prayed for or a very huge, gigantic coincidence.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: cartfly on January 13, 2010, 11:14:15 PM
Dress thong (for interviews):   ::MonkeyDevil::

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub8/o4bullpink.jpg)

I like how the dress thong enhances your curves... ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 13, 2010, 11:23:40 PM
Here is contact information for WOAI TV news tips in San Antonio.

News Tips: NewsDesk@woaitv.com

Response:


Hi there!  We saw that, too, but the day it was posted makes us wonder if this is a cruel joke or real.  We're alerting the police just in case.
 
Thank you for bringing it to our attention and have a great day!
[/i]

An update from the Assistant News Director.

I sent it to an FBI contact I know.  Let's hope it helps.
Thank you so much
!



Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 13, 2010, 11:27:35 PM
Good Night All

Janet
8:30 PM PT


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: mymonkey on January 13, 2010, 11:29:24 PM



 ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::


God does work in mysterious ways ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: klaasend on January 13, 2010, 11:29:47 PM
Thanks Janet!


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: darla on January 13, 2010, 11:30:26 PM
Good Night Janet, maybe we will be lucky and Gabriel will be found by morning.

My reporter is suppose to call me back if they can find anything on this woman. I told him to call me no matter what time it was.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: lillyfinn on January 13, 2010, 11:31:57 PM
January 1st, New Years Day, a holiday. What agency would be open on that day?


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: klaasend on January 13, 2010, 11:33:56 PM
January 1st, New Years Day, a holiday. What agency would be open on that day?

A sneaky shifty one participating in illegal private adoptions.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Tracygirl on January 13, 2010, 11:34:10 PM
January 1st, New Years Day, a holiday. What agency would be open on that day?

I suppose the type of agency that gives a baby up for adoption in which the father didn't sign off?



Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Tracygirl on January 13, 2010, 11:34:50 PM
Good Night All

Janet
8:30 PM PT

Goodnite Janet! Thanks!


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Tracygirl on January 13, 2010, 11:36:19 PM
Good Night Janet, maybe we will be lucky and Gabriel will be found by morning.

My reporter is suppose to call me back if they can find anything on this woman. I told him to call me no matter what time it was.

Post as soon as you hear!


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: cartfly on January 13, 2010, 11:42:02 PM
For what it's worth (take with a grain of salt)

From FB:
Tammi Peters Smith
Everyone try to stay positive and have faith that God has this under control....Otherwise people won't keep their eyes and ears open! I just got a phone call from my friend from Fox News in San Antonio and she put a girl on the phone that babysat Gabriel in the hotel....I about cried! That little angel, she said all he did was cry! He never cried with us! he didn't have time,we loved and kissed on him so much.....God bless Gabriel wherever he is right now..in Jesus name, amen!
31 minutes ago


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: darla on January 13, 2010, 11:46:11 PM
For what it's worth (take with a grain of salt)

From FB:
Tammi Peters Smith
Everyone try to stay positive and have faith that God has this under control....Otherwise people won't keep their eyes and ears open! I just got a phone call from my friend from Fox News in San Antonio and she put a girl on the phone that babysat Gabriel in the hotel....I about cried! That little angel, she said all he did was cry! He never cried with us! he didn't have time,we loved and kissed on him so much.....God bless Gabriel wherever he is right now..in Jesus name, amen!
31 minutes ago


And why would this girl talk to her and not the police. I don't believe anything she says anymore.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Tracygirl on January 13, 2010, 11:50:17 PM
Why does she have a friend that works at the fox news station in San Antonio?


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: cartfly on January 13, 2010, 11:52:14 PM
For what it's worth (take with a grain of salt)

From FB:
Tammi Peters Smith
Everyone try to stay positive and have faith that God has this under control....Otherwise people won't keep their eyes and ears open! I just got a phone call from my friend from Fox News in San Antonio and she put a girl on the phone that babysat Gabriel in the hotel....I about cried! That little angel, she said all he did was cry! He never cried with us! he didn't have time,we loved and kissed on him so much.....God bless Gabriel wherever he is right now..in Jesus name, amen!
31 minutes ago


And why would this girl talk to her and not the police. I don't believe anything she says anymore.

Me either, I can't believe some of what she has posted in a public area. No wonder detectives aren't returning her calls.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: klaasend on January 13, 2010, 11:52:22 PM
For what it's worth (take with a grain of salt)

From FB:
Tammi Peters Smith
Everyone try to stay positive and have faith that God has this under control....Otherwise people won't keep their eyes and ears open! I just got a phone call from my friend from Fox News in San Antonio and she put a girl on the phone that babysat Gabriel in the hotel....I about cried! That little angel, she said all he did was cry! He never cried with us! he didn't have time,we loved and kissed on him so much.....God bless Gabriel wherever he is right now..in Jesus name, amen!
31 minutes ago




And why would this girl talk to her and not the police. I don't believe anything she says anymore.

Why would this person in San Antonio put this girl on the phone with Tammi Smith?  She has no right to that child.  If anyone should get info on the child it would be Gabriel's father.  Tammi is FOS   ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Tracygirl on January 13, 2010, 11:52:56 PM
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=6843.new#new

S.A. Woman May Lead Police to Missing Baby
Could a Hispanic woman who told housekeeping in one hotel that she was babysitting Gabriel Johnson, hold the clues to finding him? The 8-month-old child has been missing for nearly a month since his mother allegedly kidnapped him from Arizona and brought him to San Antonio. Authorities originally believed Gabriel was with a Caucasian couple. Yami Virgin has more on how this story is now changing. S.A. Woman May Lead Police to Missing Baby

There is a video at the link


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: bananas on January 13, 2010, 11:54:15 PM
He cut off coffee since it has zero nutritional value.   When the inmates complained, he told them “This isn't the Ritz/Carlton......if you don't like it, don't come back!”
+++++++++++++++++++++++++

Gotta love this!  ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Tracygirl on January 13, 2010, 11:55:18 PM
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=6843.new#new

S.A. Woman May Lead Police to Missing Baby
Could a Hispanic woman who told housekeeping in one hotel that she was babysitting Gabriel Johnson, hold the clues to finding him? The 8-month-old child has been missing for nearly a month since his mother allegedly kidnapped him from Arizona and brought him to San Antonio. Authorities originally believed Gabriel was with a Caucasian couple. Yami Virgin has more on how this story is now changing. S.A. Woman May Lead Police to Missing Baby

There is a video at the link

OOPS! sorry about that. Lets try this tab!
http://www.foxsanantonio.com/newsroom/top_stories/videos/vid_968.shtml


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: cartfly on January 13, 2010, 11:59:53 PM
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=6843.new#new

S.A. Woman May Lead Police to Missing Baby
Could a Hispanic woman who told housekeeping in one hotel that she was babysitting Gabriel Johnson, hold the clues to finding him? The 8-month-old child has been missing for nearly a month since his mother allegedly kidnapped him from Arizona and brought him to San Antonio. Authorities originally believed Gabriel was with a Caucasian couple. Yami Virgin has more on how this story is now changing. S.A. Woman May Lead Police to Missing Baby

There is a video at the link

OOPS! sorry about that. Lets try this tab!
http://www.foxsanantonio.com/newsroom/top_stories/videos/vid_968.shtml
Wow, thanks Tracygirl ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: lillyfinn on January 14, 2010, 12:01:07 AM


http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/2576139/missing_baby_gabriel_mom_extradited_pg2.html
 
On the same day, Tammi Smith friend Yami Virgin of KABB from Fox 29 told Tammi that the Garmin navigation system in Ms. Johnson's Oldsmobile had shown a signal in Victoria, Texas, which is 96 miles (156km) south of San Antonio. Surveillance video later showed Ms. Johnson in San Antonio— without baby Gabriel— boarding a bus bound for Daytona Florida, a distance of 1046 miles (1684km). Some authorities conclude that the baby boy is in Victoria. But was the Garmin found with the Oldsmobile or is it missing?


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: cartfly on January 14, 2010, 12:02:30 AM
He cut off coffee since it has zero nutritional value.   When the inmates complained, he told them “This isn't the Ritz/Carlton......if you don't like it, don't come back!”
+++++++++++++++++++++++++

Gotta love this!  ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::
::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::
I really like this guys no bs way of handling business. Whether EJ is prosecuted in Arizona or Texas I think it's a win win situation. Does Arizona have the death penalty?


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Tracygirl on January 14, 2010, 12:02:56 AM
Interesting to learn of peoples reaction around EJ when she had the baby. I wish someone would have called LE when he was left in the car for 10 min!



Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Tracygirl on January 14, 2010, 12:07:59 AM


http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/2576139/missing_baby_gabriel_mom_extradited_pg2.html
 
On the same day, Tammi Smith friend Yami Virgin of KABB from Fox 29 told Tammi that the Garmin navigation system in Ms. Johnson's Oldsmobile had shown a signal in Victoria, Texas, which is 96 miles (156km) south of San Antonio. Surveillance video later showed Ms. Johnson in San Antonio— without baby Gabriel— boarding a bus bound for Daytona Florida, a distance of 1046 miles (1684km). Some authorities conclude that the baby boy is in Victoria. But was the Garmin found with the Oldsmobile or is it missing?

How do we know she is friends with this person in a San Antonio news station? You know reporters have ways of finding out certain things about investigations we do not easily get. If this reporter is feeding her information such as what the maid said that was not said on the news to the public it could not only hurt the investigation but can also give the PERSON OF INTEREST


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Tracygirl on January 14, 2010, 12:09:58 AM
Sorry I hit enter rather then shift...
As I was saying. Tammi is a person of interest, having this reporter friend help her out can have a harmful impact on all of this. That reporter, friend or not should not have placed that call to Tammi.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: klaasend on January 14, 2010, 12:15:06 AM


http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/2576139/missing_baby_gabriel_mom_extradited_pg2.html
 
On the same day, Tammi Smith friend Yami Virgin of KABB from Fox 29 told Tammi that the Garmin navigation system in Ms. Johnson's Oldsmobile had shown a signal in Victoria, Texas, which is 96 miles (156km) south of San Antonio. Surveillance video later showed Ms. Johnson in San Antonio— without baby Gabriel— boarding a bus bound for Daytona Florida, a distance of 1046 miles (1684km). Some authorities conclude that the baby boy is in Victoria. But was the Garmin found with the Oldsmobile or is it missing?

I believe this was all bogus info and Victoria has been totally dismissed as a possibility.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: bananas on January 14, 2010, 12:17:56 AM
NG

Hotel clerk says she checked in with TX id

EJ is saying that FBI has video of couple who has Gabriel


Well that is interesting. So if the FBI has video of the couple, then Elizabeth doesn't really have to describe the couple to the sketch artist.

If they had video of the couple their faces would have been on the news by now to find them. 

Ummmmm If the FBI have video of the couple who adopted the baby.... why then would there be a need for a composite sketch.  Why isn't there video of this couple on the news so they can be found?  I think this must be some hogwash.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: klaasend on January 14, 2010, 12:18:42 AM
What I do find interesting is that Yami Virgin from KABB Fox San Antonio used to live in WI.  If she is an actual friend of Tammi Smith could there be another WI link besides Beth in WI?

http://www.foxsanantonio.com/sections/station/news-team/#yami-virgin


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: darla on January 14, 2010, 12:19:11 AM
BUMPED
This has been posted already. The cops have the GPS and this article was released. Victoria has been excluded as a possible place of interest.

Finally a news article from Victoria Texas!!!   

Search continues for 8 month-old, but not in Victoria

Tempe, Ariz. police department continue search for 8 month old, Gabriel Johnson with San Antonio police department.

Despite initial reports, Tempe police said the baby's mother Elizabeth Johnson has not been in Victoria.

"We are looking at data of where she went and that does not seem to be accurate," said Kim Hale, commander for the Tempe police department, of rumors of Victoria being a possible location of where the child could be.

Sgt. Steve Carbajal, media relations for Tempe Police, said the case started on Dec. 27 when the baby's father, Logan McQueary, contacted police after receiving threats from Johnson toward the son.

Hale said the last sighting of the child was with his mother in San Antonio.

The 8-month-old's mother was arrested in Florida on Dec. 30, but has not been helpful to police, Hale said.

MORE....

http://www.victoriaadvocate.com/news/2010/jan/11/lv_missingbaby_011210_81170/?news&local-news


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 14, 2010, 12:24:16 AM


http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/2576139/missing_baby_gabriel_mom_extradited_pg2.html
 
On the same day, Tammi Smith friend Yami Virgin of KABB from Fox 29 told Tammi that the Garmin navigation system in Ms. Johnson's Oldsmobile had shown a signal in Victoria, Texas, which is 96 miles (156km) south of San Antonio. Surveillance video later showed Ms. Johnson in San Antonio— without baby Gabriel— boarding a bus bound for Daytona Florida, a distance of 1046 miles (1684km). Some authorities conclude that the baby boy is in Victoria. But was the Garmin found with the Oldsmobile or is it missing?

I believe this was all bogus info and Victoria has been totally dismissed as a possibility.

The police have the Garmin


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 14, 2010, 12:26:05 AM
Tammi Peters Smith

I just finished with Nancy Grace and all the media...You all don't realize how taxing this is on my body! I am exhausted and will be back online in the morning...i know you all have so many questions, but the media has had me all day, and I need to lye on the couch with jack and Hannah...love to you all, keep praying and God bless...

about an hour ago


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: cartfly on January 14, 2010, 12:26:37 AM


http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/2576139/missing_baby_gabriel_mom_extradited_pg2.html
 
On the same day, Tammi Smith friend Yami Virgin of KABB from Fox 29 told Tammi that the Garmin navigation system in Ms. Johnson's Oldsmobile had shown a signal in Victoria, Texas, which is 96 miles (156km) south of San Antonio. Surveillance video later showed Ms. Johnson in San Antonio— without baby Gabriel— boarding a bus bound for Daytona Florida, a distance of 1046 miles (1684km). Some authorities conclude that the baby boy is in Victoria. But was the Garmin found with the Oldsmobile or is it missing?
There are some inconsistant things in that article like "boarding a bus bound for Daytona Florida".
Of course there are alot of bad reporting in this case, IMO.
 Anyone know when or if it was stated when she was "seen" at Six Flags? They change the park hours in the fall and are now shut down till March according to the Six Flags San antonio website. I


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 14, 2010, 12:27:49 AM
Tammi Peters Smith

Elizabeth gave a description.....Female 5"1 to 5"3 about 110 to 125 lbs. w/long blond hair...male tall, big but not real fat w/very dark short hair...both around mid 30's. Both living in the San Antonio area! Find them NOW, Please......

about an hour ago


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: klaasend on January 14, 2010, 12:28:23 AM
Tammi Peters Smith

I just finished with Nancy Grace and all the media...You all don't realize how taxing this is on my body! I am exhausted and will be back online in the morning...i know you all have so many questions, but the media has had me all day, and I need to lye on the couch with jack and Hannah...love to you all, keep praying and God bless...

about an hour ago

Maybe she should give herself an enema.  Sorry but I don't believe a word that comes out of her mouth. 


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 14, 2010, 12:30:07 AM


http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/2576139/missing_baby_gabriel_mom_extradited_pg2.html
 
On the same day, Tammi Smith friend Yami Virgin of KABB from Fox 29 told Tammi that the Garmin navigation system in Ms. Johnson's Oldsmobile had shown a signal in Victoria, Texas, which is 96 miles (156km) south of San Antonio. Surveillance video later showed Ms. Johnson in San Antonio— without baby Gabriel— boarding a bus bound for Daytona Florida, a distance of 1046 miles (1684km). Some authorities conclude that the baby boy is in Victoria. But was the Garmin found with the Oldsmobile or is it missing?
There are some inconsistant things in that article like "boarding a bus bound for Daytona Florida".
Of course there are alot of bad reporting in this case, IMO.
 Anyone know when or if it was stated when she was "seen" at Six Flags? They change the park hours in the fall and are now shut down till March according to the Six Flags San antonio website. I

I do not believe she was ever seen at Six Flags.  She was seen at a park by Six Flags which turned out to be Raymond Russell Park.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 14, 2010, 12:31:17 AM
Tammi Peters Smith

I just finished with Nancy Grace and all the media...You all don't realize how taxing this is on my body! I am exhausted and will be back online in the morning...i know you all have so many questions, but the media has had me all day, and I need to lye on the couch with jack and Hannah...love to you all, keep praying and God bless...

about an hour ago

Maybe she should give herself an enema.  Sorry but I don't believe a word that comes out of her mouth. 

Power flush with a plunger for dessert   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: darla on January 14, 2010, 12:31:45 AM
Tammi Peters Smith

I just finished with Nancy Grace and all the media...You all don't realize how taxing this is on my body! I am exhausted and will be back online in the morning...i know you all have so many questions, but the media has had me all day, and I need to lye on the couch with jack and Hannah...love to you all, keep praying and God bless...

about an hour ago



Oh dear Lord another Cindy Anthony whining about being so dang tired. Me.. me... me. It is all about her. Another media whore. ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: cartfly on January 14, 2010, 12:36:30 AM


http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/2576139/missing_baby_gabriel_mom_extradited_pg2.html
 
On the same day, Tammi Smith friend Yami Virgin of KABB from Fox 29 told Tammi that the Garmin navigation system in Ms. Johnson's Oldsmobile had shown a signal in Victoria, Texas, which is 96 miles (156km) south of San Antonio. Surveillance video later showed Ms. Johnson in San Antonio— without baby Gabriel— boarding a bus bound for Daytona Florida, a distance of 1046 miles (1684km). Some authorities conclude that the baby boy is in Victoria. But was the Garmin found with the Oldsmobile or is it missing?
There are some inconsistant things in that article like "boarding a bus bound for Daytona Florida".
Of course there are alot of bad reporting in this case, IMO.
 Anyone know when or if it was stated when she was "seen" at Six Flags? They change the park hours in the fall and are now shut down till March according to the Six Flags San antonio website. I

I do not believe she was ever seen at Six Flags.  She was seen at a park by Six Flags which turned out to be Raymond Russell Park.
Maybe thats where the Six Flags thing came in. The above article is confusing because it states she was seen at Six flags too but it isn't the first time I had seen that. I haven't seen anything recent about the mention of Six flags, it was all early on. Again, bad reporting of the facts in some articles.
It is hard to know what to believe anymore especially when the source it Tammi....

Thanks Northern for clearing that up for me.  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: cartfly on January 14, 2010, 12:47:33 AM
No offense Lillyfin, I appreciate all that you bring to us. ::MonkeyAngel::

But I do not trust the content of "Associated Content" because anyone wanting to write a story can without having to supply any sources.

From Associated Content Website:

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Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 14, 2010, 12:47:57 AM
Forensic psychologist talks about Baby Gabriel case (video)

http://www.azfamily.com/video/featured-videos/Forensic-psychologist-talks-about-Baby-Gabriel-case-81225212.html


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: mymonkey on January 14, 2010, 12:53:29 AM
Tammi Peters Smith

I just finished with Nancy Grace and all the media...You all don't realize how taxing this is on my body! I am exhausted and will be back online in the morning...i know you all have so many questions, but the media has had me all day, and I need to lye on the couch with jack and Hannah...love to you all, keep praying and God bless...

about an hour ago



Oh dear Lord another Cindy Anthony whining about being so dang tired. Me.. me... me. It is all about her. Another media whore. ::MonkeyMad::

What she ment to say she was going to make up more lies with Jack for the media in the morning, not lye on the couch with jack....she is as bad of a speller as I am ::MonkeyDevil:: and she thinks so little of Jack she does not capitalize the J in his name.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 14, 2010, 12:55:51 AM
What I do find interesting is that Yami Virgin from KABB Fox San Antonio used to live in WI.  If she is an actual friend of Tammi Smith could there be another WI link besides Beth in WI?

http://www.foxsanantonio.com/sections/station/news-team/#yami-virgin

YAMI VIRGIN

NANCY GRACE
Couple Named Persons of Interest in Missing Baby Case
Aired January 7, 2010 - 20:00:00   ET


NANCY GRACE, HOST:  I`m completely stunned that you`ve been named persons of interest. On the other hand, that doesn`t mean the cops think you took baby Gabriel. I`m interpreting it to mean that they believe you know where baby Gabriel may be. What about it, Tammi Smith?

TAMMI SMITH: Well, I have tried to call the detective, Ramirez (ph), many times today, left two messages with her. It`s not that I know where he is, but like I told your staff, we`ve all been talking for the past couple days, trying to brainstorm where he is. So Yami from Fox News has been brainstorming, and she`s been digging and digging in San Antonio for us. And she gives us all of her leads. And so we go with that. And we`re working with your office, as well, and brainstorming together. So we just have our own ideas about it.

GRACE: Well, I noticed last night that you told us that you had determined the park where the handoff, the alleged handoff, was made by Mommy, 23-year-old Elizabeth Johnson, to this unknown couple that she just happens to meet at the park. How did you know the name of the park?

JACK SMITH: Yami. Yami was the one that had told me, and I -- I mentioned to you the connection aspect. Yami -- we have been somewhat embraced by them because they feel that we are trying our desperate -- desperately trying to find this baby. And help find this baby.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1001/07/ng.01.html


NANCY GRACE
Smiths Take Polygraphs in Missing Baby Gabriel Case
Aired January 8, 2010 - 20:00:00   ET


JEAN CASAREZ, GUEST HOST:. Have you had any communication at all today with Elizabeth Johnson?

TAMMI SMITH: No.

CASAREZ: Have you heard anything of where this baby could be tonight?

TAMMI SMITH: Well, I -- since I did get to talk to the detectives and give them the information that Yami from Fox News -- I`ve become really good friends with Yami with Fox News in San Antonio, and she is our digger. She searches and searches for information. And so I was able to give them the information that she gave me. Finally, I was able to give that to them because it`s very hard to get in touch with anybody over there.

CASAREZ: And what is that information?

TAMMI SMITH: I can give you some of the information, but some I cannot. One piece of information is when Elizabeth left, she had a Garmin, which is a navigation system, hooked up in her car and turned on. And when we met up, this was a place where she told us to meet her so there was no reason to have it turned on.

And from what Yami says, her cell phone was -- had a signal in Victoria, Texas, and that was the day that she went missing. And that was the day that she actually got on the bus. So if she had to drive two hours south from San Antonio, why did she drive two hours south down to Victoria, and then drive back up to San Antonio, and then get on a bus to go to Miami? That leads us to believe that that baby is in Victoria..

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1001/08/ng.01.html


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: mymonkey on January 14, 2010, 12:57:44 AM
Tammi Peters Smith

Elizabeth gave a description.....Female 5"1 to 5"3 about 110 to 125 lbs. w/long blond hair...male tall, big but not real fat w/very dark short hair...both around mid 30's. Both living in the San Antonio area! Find them NOW, Please......

about an hour ago

Sounds like EJ is describing herself and Logan to me....makes it easier for her to keep her lies straight ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 14, 2010, 12:59:18 AM
Tammi Peters Smith

Elizabeth gave a description.....Female 5"1 to 5"3 about 110 to 125 lbs. w/long blond hair...male tall, big but not real fat w/very dark short hair...both around mid 30's. Both living in the San Antonio area! Find them NOW, Please......

about an hour ago

Sounds like EJ is describing herself and Logan to me....makes it easier for her to keep her lies straight ::MonkeyNoNo::

As Tammi said on NG, she looks like EJ but with a different face.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: darla on January 14, 2010, 01:03:58 AM

TAMMI SMITH: Well, I -- since I did get to talk to the detectives and give them the information that Yami from Fox News -- I`ve become really good friends with Yami with Fox News in San Antonio, and she is our digger. She searches and searches for information. And so I was able to give them the information that she gave me. Finally, I was able to give that to them because it`s very hard to get in touch with anybody over there.
Snipped:
CASAREZ: And what is that information?

TAMMI SMITH: I can give you some of the information, but some I cannot. One piece of information is when Elizabeth left, she had a Garmin, which is a navigation system, hooked up in her car and turned on. And when we met up, this was a place where she told us to meet her so there was no reason to have it turned on.

And from what Yami says, her cell phone was -- had a signal in Victoria, Texas, and that was the day that she went missing. And that was the day that she actually got on the bus. So if she had to drive two hours south from San Antonio, why did she drive two hours south down to Victoria, and then drive back up to San Antonio, and then get on a bus to go to Miami? That leads us to believe that that baby is in Victoria..

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1001/08/ng.01.





Read this bolded part again and tell me what you think. Sounds like to me that after she left Tammi and Jack met up with her somewhere.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: darla on January 14, 2010, 01:08:27 AM
Something else is bothering me also. Why the Tornado bus line? The driver said she was the on white person on the bus. So she stood out like a sore thumb, Why not get on the Greyhound bus? She would have been less conspicuous  and the cost was the same as the Tornado bus Co. They had a terminal in San Antonio also. Everything on the Tornado website is in Spanish.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Tracygirl on January 14, 2010, 01:12:08 AM
Didn't LE say today that they do not beleive Victoria is in the picture? So Tammi is saying this reporter told her about the victoria connection? So then she blasts it over the internet? could this have been done to send those looking on a wild goose chase? I suggest if the reporter has nothing to do with this that she take a step back and see she will begin to look guilty herself.


BUMPED
This has been posted already. The cops have the GPS and this article was released. Victoria has been excluded as a possible place of interest.

Finally a news article from Victoria Texas!!!  

Search continues for 8 month-old, but not in Victoria

Tempe, Ariz. police department continue search for 8 month old, Gabriel Johnson with San Antonio police department.

Despite initial reports, Tempe police said the baby's mother Elizabeth Johnson has not been in Victoria.

"We are looking at data of where she went and that does not seem to be accurate," said Kim Hale, commander for the Tempe police department, of rumors of Victoria being a possible location of where the child could be.

Sgt. Steve Carbajal, media relations for Tempe Police, said the case started on Dec. 27 when the baby's father, Logan McQueary, contacted police after receiving threats from Johnson toward the son.

Hale said the last sighting of the child was with his mother in San Antonio.

The 8-month-old's mother was arrested in Florida on Dec. 30, but has not been helpful to police, Hale said.

MORE....

http://www.victoriaadvocate.com/news/2010/jan/11/lv_missingbaby_011210_81170/?news&local-news


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: darla on January 14, 2010, 01:13:28 AM
So Miss Yani is the one who started the cell ping deal in Victoria. Me thinks someone is trying to throw the FBI and cops off the right trail.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: lillyfinn on January 14, 2010, 01:14:00 AM


http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/2576139/missing_baby_gabriel_mom_extradited_pg2.html
 
On the same day, Tammi Smith friend Yami Virgin of KABB from Fox 29 told Tammi that the Garmin navigation system in Ms. Johnson's Oldsmobile had shown a signal in Victoria, Texas, which is 96 miles (156km) south of San Antonio. Surveillance video later showed Ms. Johnson in San Antonio— without baby Gabriel— boarding a bus bound for Daytona Florida, a distance of 1046 miles (1684km). Some authorities conclude that the baby boy is in Victoria. But was the Garmin found with the Oldsmobile or is it missing?
There are some inconsistant things in that article like "boarding a bus bound for Daytona Florida".
Of course there are alot of bad reporting in this case, IMO.
 Anyone know when or if it was stated when she was "seen" at Six Flags? They change the park hours in the fall and are now shut down till March according to the Six Flags San antonio website. I

I do not believe she was ever seen at Six Flags.  She was seen at a park by Six Flags which turned out to be Raymond Russell Park.

I know I never included any of this in that timeline I did. Just saved it as I was going to check out the reporter.

I only posted this for the name of the reporter friend that Tammi is suppose to have.  It is associatedcontent, someone wrote this from thier own opinion, there are many errors in the piece, it is used as filler for websites. But mostly it's wrong. Please stop analyzing the article. I posted it just for the name.

Eliza-Beth think someone gave some misinformation, just mean people everywhere.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: darla on January 14, 2010, 01:16:02 AM
Tracygirl...you and I were typing the same thought at the same time. I think someone is trying to muddy the waters.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: klaasend on January 14, 2010, 01:19:11 AM
Tracygirl...you and I were typing the same thought at the same time. I think someone is trying to muddy the waters.

Yes and that someone has a WI connection.  It just really bothers me that this reporter is so "chummy" with Tammi when it's clear that Tammi and her husband are persons of interest and have no legal right to Gabriel.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: bananas on January 14, 2010, 01:23:01 AM
Been sick with this stupid stomach virus and slept most of the day.  I finally caught up on this thread.  I am hoping and praying this posting by Beth is the key to finding little Gabriel.  I hope it is taken seriously enough to look into.  It scares me that it could just be dismissed in the plethora of tips they have probably received.  It just seems too coincidental.  How popular is the name Gabriel for babies these days?  Could it be a different baby Gabriel?


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Tracygirl on January 14, 2010, 01:24:58 AM
Tracygirl...you and I were typing the same thought at the same time. I think someone is trying to muddy the waters.

Yes and that someone has a WI connection.  It just really bothers me that this reporter is so "chummy" with Tammi when it's clear that Tammi and her husband are persons of interest and have no legal right to Gabriel.

Yep exactly what I thought too! Looks like we are all on the same page. Something is smelling a little rotten.

I am trying to find birth announcements in newspapers in WI. If these people are as excited as most are when adopting a baby they are blasting the information all around their local newspapers. There are only about 30 or so in WI.  If anyone has a few minutes can you check out what you can find? I am using newslink.org


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: SuzieQ on January 14, 2010, 01:29:14 AM
Forgive me if this has been posted but I hadn't seen it before.

Why would Tammi be listed on a Missing Person web site for Katrina. It is on the Katrina Aid page and was originally posted by.  wecaretexas.com

http://tammi-smith.katrina.aidpage.com/tammi-smith/


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: darla on January 14, 2010, 01:31:31 AM
Tracygirl...you and I were typing the same thought at the same time. I think someone is trying to muddy the waters.

Yes and that someone has a WI connection.  It just really bothers me that this reporter is so "chummy" with Tammi when it's clear that Tammi and her husband are persons of interest and have no legal right to Gabriel.


Tammi and jack are acting like they are the parents.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Tracygirl on January 14, 2010, 01:35:26 AM
Forgive me if this has been posted but I hadn't seen it before.

Why would Tammi be listed on a Missing Person web site for Katrina. It is on the Katrina Aid page and was originally posted by.  wecaretexas.com

http://tammi-smith.katrina.aidpage.com/tammi-smith/

I can't make sense of this. Does it say she is still missing or she had been found?


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: bananas on January 14, 2010, 01:38:06 AM
Globan popularity for the name Gabriel.

•#3 in Brazil
•#3 in Canada (Quebec)
•#8 in Iceland
•#11 in Republic of Georgia
•#22 in Chile
•#24 in Belgium
•#24 in United States
•#34 in Canada (British Columbia)
•#38 in Canada (Ontario)
•#41 in Canada (Alberta)
•#41 in Spain
•#42 in Sweden
•#43 in Austria
•#52 in Norway
•#84 in Australia (New South Wales)
•#91 in Australia (Victoria)
•#92 in England
•#147 in Scotland

Information from this site: http://www.babynamewizard.com/namipedia/boy/gabriel


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: cartfly on January 14, 2010, 01:41:04 AM
Forgive me if this has been posted but I hadn't seen it before.

Why would Tammi be listed on a Missing Person web site for Katrina. It is on the Katrina Aid page and was originally posted by.  wecaretexas.com

http://tammi-smith.katrina.aidpage.com/tammi-smith/

The area she used to live w/ex hubby is Chalmette, LA which was a devastated area of the state after Katrina. But I would thiink anyone knowing her would know she wasn't living in the state anymore. I dont know why anyone would inquire about her since she was either in Nashville or Arizona at that time. (good find!!)


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TAMMI FAY PETERS SMITH Mother's Name: JANIS S. COUVILLION Father's Name: ROBIN A. PETERS Sex: F Date of Birth: 3.12.1972 Place of Birth: PHOENIX,AZ.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: bananas on January 14, 2010, 01:41:49 AM
Forgive me if this has been posted but I hadn't seen it before.

Why would Tammi be listed on a Missing Person web site for Katrina. It is on the Katrina Aid page and was originally posted by.  wecaretexas.com

http://tammi-smith.katrina.aidpage.com/tammi-smith/

I can't make sense of this. Does it say she is still missing or she had been found?

tracygirl.. me either.  It seems to be listings of people missing.... but is not clear.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: cartfly on January 14, 2010, 01:43:15 AM
Forgive me if this has been posted but I hadn't seen it before.

Why would Tammi be listed on a Missing Person web site for Katrina. It is on the Katrina Aid page and was originally posted by.  wecaretexas.com

http://tammi-smith.katrina.aidpage.com/tammi-smith/

I can't make sense of this. Does it say she is still missing or she had been found?
It would have been a missing post.
It was a site set up to find family after Katrina but it often was not updated (the status of the person)


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: SuzieQ on January 14, 2010, 01:43:34 AM
Forgive me if this has been posted but I hadn't seen it before.

Why would Tammi be listed on a Missing Person web site for Katrina. It is on the Katrina Aid page and was originally posted by.  wecaretexas.com

http://tammi-smith.katrina.aidpage.com/tammi-smith/

I can't make sense of this. Does it say she is still missing or she had been found?

I'm not sure what it means either. I'm wondering if she was trying to con some money from the Katrina aid fund.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: klaasend on January 14, 2010, 01:44:20 AM
http://www.myfoxphoenix.com/dpp/news/local/phoenix/missing_baby_011310

Friend Says Elizabeth Johnson Wants Baby Back
$5,000 reward for info on missing baby

Updated: Wednesday, 13 Jan 2010, 10:14 PM MST
Published : Wednesday, 13 Jan 2010, 12:28 PM MST

PHOENIX - More than three weeks after an Arizona baby disappeared in Texas, Crime Stoppers of San Antonio is offering a $5,000 reward for his safe return. Meanwhile, the mother is saying she wants her baby back.

The baby's mother, Elizabeth Johnson, is in a Phoenix jail. She's changing her tune -- once silent, she now says she wants baby Gabriel back.

In the latest twist, Johnson claims there is video to prove that Gabriel was handed off to a couple in Texas. Tammi Smith told FOX 10 that she visited Johnson in jail Wednesday, saying the FBI has the surveillance video. The FBI has not confirmed that.

"After two days of getting to know them, on the third day they came to her hotel. They stayed inside the hotel for a while, she held the baby while they talked and they finalized things. She felt very pressured and scared, scared that she might go to jail or those types of things and pressured because she knew they really wanted a baby," Tammi Smith told us. "She wants out of jail and she wants that baby back so she can get out of jail."

Another interesting twist in the story:  Before fleeing Arizona, Johnson filed a petition seeking paternity tests.  Both for 8-month-old Gabriel Johnson's father, Logan McQueary and another man, Craig Cherry.

There is an unusual connection between Cherry and the Scottsdale couple, Jack and Tammi Smith, who wanted to adopt Gabriel.

"Craig Cherry did not know Elizabeth, he is not the father of the child according to Craig.  And as a matter of fact Craig revealed to us that he is a blood relative of Tammy Smith," said Kim Hale of the Tempe Police Department.

Tempe police believe the Smiths have not told them everything they know about the missing boy.

Anyone with any information can call Crime Stoppers at 210-224-STOP (210-224-7867). Tips can also be submitted online.

Gabriel was last seen Dec. 26 in San Antonio.

Investigators say Elizabeth Johnson, drove there from her home in Tempe, stayed about a week, then took a bus to Florida without Gabriel. She was arrested Dec. 30 in Miami Beach and returned to Arizona to face kidnapping and child abuse charges.

On The Net: www.sacrimestoppers.com


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: cartfly on January 14, 2010, 01:47:00 AM
Oh, I am sorry I just realized the page that this is posted on is "TAMMI'S KATRINA AID PAGE" (she's just helping everyone huh?)  with a cut and paste from the actual site that people used to find missing relatives. So she post her own info and she wasnt even missing?  :-? :2brickwall:


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Tracygirl on January 14, 2010, 01:49:24 AM
Yea I don't think she will be getting the baby back, call me crazy but.....


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: darla on January 14, 2010, 01:49:52 AM
Klaas, will you check your emails?


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Tracygirl on January 14, 2010, 01:52:20 AM
Oh, I am sorry I just realized the page that this is posted on is "TAMMI'S KATRINA AID PAGE" (she's just helping everyone huh?)  with a cut and paste from the actual site that people used to find missing relatives. So she post her own info and she wasnt even missing?  :-? :2brickwall:

Ok you lost me on that one, what is the page?


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: darla on January 14, 2010, 01:54:12 AM
WWW
   
   
Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
« Reply #1609 on: Today at 12:44:20 AM »
   Reply with quoteQuote
http://www.myfoxphoenix.com/dpp/news/local/phoenix/missing_baby_011310

Friend Says Elizabeth Johnson Wants Baby Back
$5,000 reward for info on missing baby

Updated: Wednesday, 13 Jan 2010, 10:14 PM MST
Published : Wednesday, 13 Jan 2010, 12:28 PM MST

PHOENIX - More than three weeks after an Arizona baby disappeared in Texas, Crime Stoppers of San Antonio is offering a $5,000 reward for his safe return. Meanwhile, the mother is saying she wants her baby back.

The baby's mother, Elizabeth Johnson, is in a Phoenix jail. She's changing her tune -- once silent, she now says she wants baby Gabriel back.

In the latest twist, Johnson claims there is video to prove that Gabriel was handed off to a couple in Texas. Tammi Smith told FOX 10 that she visited Johnson in jail Wednesday, saying the FBI has the surveillance video. The FBI has not confirmed that.

"After two days of getting to know them, on the third day they came to her hotel. They stayed inside the hotel for a while, she held the baby while they talked and they finalized things. She felt very pressured and scared, scared that she might go to jail or those types of things and pressured because she knew they really wanted a baby," Tammi Smith told us. "She wants out of jail and she wants that baby back so she can get out of jail




If she really wanted to adopt him out..why did she feel pressured. She said they were a very nice couple and she spent 3 days at their house. yep just another lie How do you finalize an adoption in a couple of hours?


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: cartfly on January 14, 2010, 01:54:50 AM


http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/2576139/missing_baby_gabriel_mom_extradited_pg2.html
 
On the same day, Tammi Smith friend Yami Virgin of KABB from Fox 29 told Tammi that the Garmin navigation system in Ms. Johnson's Oldsmobile had shown a signal in Victoria, Texas, which is 96 miles (156km) south of San Antonio. Surveillance video later showed Ms. Johnson in San Antonio— without baby Gabriel— boarding a bus bound for Daytona Florida, a distance of 1046 miles (1684km). Some authorities conclude that the baby boy is in Victoria. But was the Garmin found with the Oldsmobile or is it missing?
There are some inconsistant things in that article like "boarding a bus bound for Daytona Florida".
Of course there are alot of bad reporting in this case, IMO.
 Anyone know when or if it was stated when she was "seen" at Six Flags? They change the park hours in the fall and are now shut down till March according to the Six Flags San antonio website. I

I do not believe she was ever seen at Six Flags.  She was seen at a park by Six Flags which turned out to be Raymond Russell Park.

I know I never included any of this in that timeline I did. Just saved it as I was going to check out the reporter.

I only posted this for the name of the reporter friend that Tammi is suppose to have.  It is associatedcontent, someone wrote this from thier own opinion, there are many errors in the piece, it is used as filler for websites. But mostly it's wrong. Please stop analyzing the article. I posted it just for the name.

Eliza-Beth think someone gave some misinformation, just mean people everywhere.

Thanks Lillyfin for explaining what you meant in posting the article.  ::MonkeyAngel::
(I am easily confused.. ::MonkeyHaHa::)


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Tracygirl on January 14, 2010, 01:57:28 AM
WWW
   
   
Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
« Reply #1609 on: Today at 12:44:20 AM »
   Reply with quoteQuote
http://www.myfoxphoenix.com/dpp/news/local/phoenix/missing_baby_011310

Friend Says Elizabeth Johnson Wants Baby Back
$5,000 reward for info on missing baby

Updated: Wednesday, 13 Jan 2010, 10:14 PM MST
Published : Wednesday, 13 Jan 2010, 12:28 PM MST

PHOENIX - More than three weeks after an Arizona baby disappeared in Texas, Crime Stoppers of San Antonio is offering a $5,000 reward for his safe return. Meanwhile, the mother is saying she wants her baby back.

The baby's mother, Elizabeth Johnson, is in a Phoenix jail. She's changing her tune -- once silent, she now says she wants baby Gabriel back.

In the latest twist, Johnson claims there is video to prove that Gabriel was handed off to a couple in Texas. Tammi Smith told FOX 10 that she visited Johnson in jail Wednesday, saying the FBI has the surveillance video. The FBI has not confirmed that.

"After two days of getting to know them, on the third day they came to her hotel. They stayed inside the hotel for a while, she held the baby while they talked and they finalized things. She felt very pressured and scared, scared that she might go to jail or those types of things and pressured because she knew they really wanted a baby," Tammi Smith told us. "She wants out of jail and she wants that baby back so she can get out of jail




If she really wanted to adopt him out..why did she feel pressured. She said they were a very nice couple and she spent 3 days at their house. yep just another lie How do you finalize an adoption in a couple of hours?

And why was she so happy over the phone with gramps? also why did she post the kiss my
@!ss suckaas on ther myspace?


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: cartfly on January 14, 2010, 02:02:38 AM
Oh, I am sorry I just realized the page that this is posted on is "TAMMI'S KATRINA AID PAGE" (she's just helping everyone huh?)  with a cut and paste from the actual site that people used to find missing relatives. So she post her own info and she wasnt even missing?  :-? :2brickwall:

Ok you lost me on that one, what is the page?

It is a webpage that Tammi set up (Tammis Katrina Aid)(http://tammi-smith.katrina.aidpage.com/tammi-smith/
  (http://tammi-smith.katrina.aidpage.com/tammi-smith/) and then she cut and pasted the post of her missing, from the Wecaretexas.com site.
 

Originally posted:
At:    wecaretexas_com
On:    Sep 15, 2005
By:    


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Tracygirl on January 14, 2010, 02:11:11 AM
Why on earth would she do that? How strange. From reading it you would think that the person is missing from Katrina. What was that Cherry guy arrested for? Now you don't think??? naw never mind I think I might need sleep.

Goodnight everyone!


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Bud's Girl on January 14, 2010, 03:42:28 AM


http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/2576139/missing_baby_gabriel_mom_extradited_pg2.html
 
On the same day, Tammi Smith friend Yami Virgin of KABB from Fox 29 told Tammi that the Garmin navigation system in Ms. Johnson's Oldsmobile had shown a signal in Victoria, Texas, which is 96 miles (156km) south of San Antonio. Surveillance video later showed Ms. Johnson in San Antonio— without baby Gabriel— boarding a bus bound for Daytona Florida, a distance of 1046 miles (1684km). Some authorities conclude that the baby boy is in Victoria. But was the Garmin found with the Oldsmobile or is it missing?
There are some inconsistant things in that article like "boarding a bus bound for Daytona Florida".
Of course there are alot of bad reporting in this case, IMO.
 Anyone know when or if it was stated when she was "seen" at Six Flags? They change the park hours in the fall and are now shut down till March according to the Six Flags San antonio website.

I do not believe she was ever seen at Six Flags.  She was seen at a park by Six Flags which turned out to be Raymond Russell Park.

I know I never included any of this in that timeline I did. Just saved it as I was going to check out the reporter.
I only posted this for the name of the reporter friend that Tammi is suppose to have.  It is associatedcontent, someone wrote this from thier own opinion, there are many errors in the piece, it is used as filler for websites. But mostly it's wrong. Please stop analyzing the article. I posted it just for the name.
Eliza-Beth think someone gave some misinformation, just mean people everywhere.

Thanks Lillyfin for explaining what you meant in posting the article.  ::MonkeyAngel::
(I am easily confused.. ::MonkeyHaHa::)

BBM
yes that was confusing, esp for those of us playing catch up on this case since it wasn't made clear that it was an article of misinformation and only posted for the name.

Northern Rose was only doing what monkeys do best, analyzing & sorting out wrong information & I appreciate that. 



Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: bananas on January 14, 2010, 04:39:39 AM
Newspaper links for Wisconsin:
http://www.ancestorhunt.com/wisconsin-newspapers.htm


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: trimmonthelake on January 14, 2010, 09:01:01 AM
http://abclocal.go.com/wpvi/story?section=news/national_world&id=7218068
Mom of Baby Gabriel breaks her silence
Updated at 08:25 AM today
Gabriel Johnson
TEMPE, Ariz. - January 14, 2010 (WPVI) -- Elizabeth Johnson, the Arizona mother jailed after she disappeared with her son Gabriel, says the 8-month-old is alive
 Johnson has been jailed following her arrest on kidnapping and child abuse charges after Gabriel disappeared on her cross country trip.

She was being visited by Tammi Smith. She, along with her husband Jack Smith, say they were in talks with Johnson to adopt Gabriel before he disappeared. The Smiths have been named persons of interest by Tempe, Ariz., police for potentially withholding information about the case.

"I looked in her eyes and I can tell you, that baby is alive," said Smith.

She said Johnson described, in detail, how a young white couple came to her San Antonio hotel room, put Gabriel in a car seat, and walked away.

Johnson was on the run after skipping a custody hearing with a man who may be Gabriel's father.

"She did definitely describe the people, what they look like. They're definitely in San Antonio, she did sign paperwork, but they did not notarize it or anything like that," said Smith. "According to Elizabeth, these people are going to try and hide this baby."

The Smiths have said they were interested in adopting Gabriel, but detectives believe they are withholding information. But, it was Smith who felt victimized, and she told Johnson as much.

"When I started to cry about... the pain and suffering that she's caused me, my family and my children, yes she got very teary eyed."
 There were some things Smith couldn't say.

"There are some things that she said that I think I need to talk to the Tempe police department about before I talk to you all about," said Smith to reporters.

As for why Smith is so interested, she says, like Johnson, she just wants the baby found.

"She wants to get out of jail and she wants them to find this baby," said Smith.

Police say the jailhouse meeting between the two women was not recorded.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: seahorse on January 14, 2010, 09:13:52 AM
Why hasn't Tammi organized donations for an reward for Gabriel's return?

TPS is a very churchy person, why hasn' she organized a group to post flyers with Gabriel's photo?

Could it be Tammy doesn't want him found?

TPS hadn't yet pleaded for the safe return for Gabriel, why not?


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Monkey with Class on January 14, 2010, 09:26:56 AM
There should have been some other questions asked when she has the jail visitation interview yesterday. 

How did she find this new couple that she gave Gabe to?
What underground service did you use?
A name associated with them?

She did not just plain give the baby to someone that walked into the hotel room without not having to set something up.

I would guess Elizabeth would not have answers for the above questions.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: seahorse on January 14, 2010, 09:44:36 AM
There should have been some other questions asked when she has the jail visitation interview yesterday. 

How did she find this new couple that she gave Gabe to?
What underground service did you use?
A name associated with them?

She did not just plain give the baby to someone that walked into the hotel room without not having to set something up.

I would guess Elizabeth would not have answers for the above questions.

How did Elizabeth see the "new tan car seat" and not see the car?  To quote Nancy Grace "this doesn't make sense"!

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

JMO, I think TS lives in a fantasy world.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: no rose colored glasses on January 14, 2010, 09:48:17 AM
Wow, thanks for all the updates, now Elizabeth wants her baby back.  ::MonkeyShocked::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: no rose colored glasses on January 14, 2010, 10:31:31 AM
Police say the jailhouse meeting between the two women was not recorded.  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Monkey with Class on January 14, 2010, 10:40:13 AM
Police say the jailhouse meeting between the two women was not recorded.  ::MonkeyNoNo::

Good morning No Rose and guest.

Didn't Tammi say she had the media there?  Did they not record the video and audio? 


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: no rose colored glasses on January 14, 2010, 10:44:16 AM
Police say the jailhouse meeting between the two women was not recorded.  ::MonkeyNoNo::

Good morning No Rose and guest.

Didn't Tammi say she had the media there?  Did they not record the video and audio? 
That's what I'm wondering, maybe they did, but the jail didn't? I'm still trying to figure out why a lawyer would let his client speak to a person of interest, makes no sense to me at all. Wondering if Baez has a brother who is a lawyer in Arizona?  ::MonkeyRoll::  Good morning  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Monkey with Class on January 14, 2010, 10:45:38 AM
Interesting article....

http://dartcenter.org/content/children-underground-4

Page 1 of the article with link posted above....

Children of the Underground
By Mackenzie Carpenter and Allen Detrich

Here's How to Disappear Into Faye's Underground
Faye Yager's underground sprawls across international borders, but its central headquarters is in her Atlanta kitchen, and it is powered by her telephone.

Going underground takes some planning in today's America, where missing kids' photos are displayed in Wal-Mart, Pizza Hut and on America Online, and where many public schools require single parents to provide custody papers proving they have legal guardianship of a child within 30 days of enrollment.

But 10 years into it, Yager has the routine down cold.

The underground starts with a phone call - from a parent, or, sometimes, an intermediary: a social service agency, a church, or even a law enforcement official.

Once contact is established, and the caller appears to be legitimate, Yager asks for documents, preferably mailed in advance of a face-to-face meeting with her in Atlanta. And also, bring the children, she says, so she can interview them on videotape.

If Yager decides to help, the mother and children are sent to a "safe house" until plans are finalized to settle them in a place where the parent can obtain a job.

Of course, all of this presupposes that the parent is, in Yager's words, "runnin' material."

That usually means someone who is strong-willed and resilient, and with financial resources. Yager often has been accused of helping only rich people, but primarily, she says, she helps people who can help themselves.

She requires that her families liquidate their assets, which they will use to live on underground. Sometimes those without sufficient funds are told to wait, and save their money, before she will help them.

Over the years, Yager's contacts in the underground have provided her families with aliases, disguises, fake passports and falsely registered vehicles.

Before going underground, she tells her families to leave a trail of confusing "clues," such as random phone calls all over the country, since investigators will surely pore over telephone records. She asks for credit cards so her contacts can make small charges on them - again in stores in different states, to confuse police.

Some of those who have entered Yager's underground say they have been asked to leave their cars at specified places. She will then have her contacts drive the vehicles all over the country, so that police spend their time tracking the license plate - even though the owner is long gone.

She will often, during telephone conversations, refer to her mothers as "Sally."

She keeps track of her Sallys by area code and number of children, Sally-609-2 or Sally-201-3, until the actual vanishing act occurs. By that time, her contacts will have prepared the fake papers, the new names, the new resumes.

Many of the people who have entered her underground take the names of people who have died.

People who were born in one state and died in another are frequently used. Since states often don't cross-reference that information, a fleeing mother or father can send away for a copy of a birth certificate - saying they need it, for example, to register for college courses - and then use it to get a passport, bank account or credit cards.

And then there are the white notebooks - Yager's calling card. Each mother or father must provide copies of key documents - medical records, police reports, custody orders - plus a written summary of the events leading to her or his decision to go underground.

The material is placed in a three-ringed notebook covered with white plastic, with a photograph of the fleeing parent and children attached to the cover. Yager mails them to missing children's organizations and federal and local law enforcement agencies around the country, as a way of letting them know that this is one of her cases.

While she's not sure if the notebooks serve as a deterrent, it's a good idea to have relevant documents all in one place, in case the parent is caught.

She also supplements those notebooks with flyers describing the alleged molester's activities, which are distributed in the community where he lives.

And then, of course, there's the famous Yager "shock treatment." She'll telephone judges and the prosecutors at home or confront them in restaurants, picket their courthouses, deluge their fax machines - all in an effort to go on the offensive against an alleged molester.

At the same time, her families are constantly navigating through her network, until they reach their final destination - often beyond U.S. borders.

"I can't hide people in this country anymore," Yager says flatly. She may not be telling the whole truth, but certainly, her organization - once a necklace of farms, motels and churches strung across the country - has expanded abroad.

The most recent evidence of that was when Barbara Morton, who went underground with her son Brock in a highly publicized case, turned the boy over to authorities in Albania, 18 months after Yager arranged her flight - "although I certainly didn't send her to Albania," Yager says indignantly.

Even countries that have signed the Hague Treaty agreeing to honor custody orders are reluctant to devote their resources toward tracking parental abductors. Some are more reluctant than others: France, Ireland, New Zealand and the Eastern Bloc countries are the least interested in pursuing such cases, underground organizers claim.

Once her families are settled underground, Yager says she doesn't have much contact with them - unless something goes wrong, "and then, I would know about it."

She can be tough on parents who find the underground unbearable, and will cut off all contact with them if it appears they are becoming a "security risk." That's because if they are caught, or turn themselves in, they might name names, she says.

And if a family is caught, they're pretty much on their own, although Yager will submit depositions on their behalf in any court trial on abduction charges. And occasionally, she will testify, although she claims she's such a good witness prosecutors are reluctant to call her.

Yager is always thinking about the next family in her underground, always plotting her next move, so sometimes it's hard to remember how cases turned out.

When a reporter showed her an Internet communication from an angry father who called himself "a victim of Faye Yager's Underground," she immediately recognized the name.

What she didn't realize, however, was that the man's ex-wife, who was in Yager's underground for two years before being caught, was ultimately not prosecuted and given full custody of her children earlier this year.

"Oh, I had NO idea," she said. "I lost contact with that one. Oh, I am SO glad it turned out that way for her."



Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 14, 2010, 10:49:49 AM
Elizabeth Johnson, Mother of Missing Boy, Used an Alias in Texas, Says Hotel Clerk

TEMPE, Ariz. Elizabeth Johnson, an Arizona mother who is refusing to help police find her missing 8-month-old baby, may have been using multiple names and a fake driver's license while on a strange road trip that took her from Tempe to San Antonio to Miami.

When police finally picked her up Dec. 30, 2009 in Miami, little Gabriel Johnson was nowhere to be found. Elizabeth Johnson, 23, told police she gave the child away to strangers in San Antonio, where her car was found, but she also sent the baby's father Logan McQueary, a text message saying she had killed the baby.

CNN's Nancy Grace is reporting that a hotel clerk at a San Antonio hotel where Elizabeth Johnson allegedly stayed told police that she checked in with a fake Texas driver's license and was carrying an infant car seat, but kept it pointed away from the clerk so they couldn’t see if there was a baby.

Court documents have also revealed that the second man Elizabeth Johnson named as the possible father of Gabriel Johnson, Craig Cherry, is actually the cousin of Tammi Smith, the woman who Elizabeth claims wanted to adopt little Gabriel. Cherry told investigators that he had never met Elizabeth Johnson and doesn't know why she would name him in the documents, according to CNN.

http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2010/01/14/crimesider/entry6096469.shtml


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 14, 2010, 11:10:47 AM
What I do find interesting is that Yami Virgin from KABB Fox San Antonio used to live in WI.  If she is an actual friend of Tammi Smith could there be another WI link besides Beth in WI?

http://www.foxsanantonio.com/sections/station/news-team/#yami-virgin

YAMI VIRGIN

NANCY GRACE
Couple Named Persons of Interest in Missing Baby Case
Aired January 7, 2010 - 20:00:00   ET


NANCY GRACE, HOST:  I`m completely stunned that you`ve been named persons of interest. On the other hand, that doesn`t mean the cops think you took baby Gabriel. I`m interpreting it to mean that they believe you know where baby Gabriel may be. What about it, Tammi Smith?

TAMMI SMITH: Well, I have tried to call the detective, Ramirez (ph), many times today, left two messages with her. It`s not that I know where he is, but like I told your staff, we`ve all been talking for the past couple days, trying to brainstorm where he is. So Yami from Fox News has been brainstorming, and she`s been digging and digging in San Antonio for us. And she gives us all of her leads. And so we go with that. And we`re working with your office, as well, and brainstorming together. So we just have our own ideas about it.

GRACE: Well, I noticed last night that you told us that you had determined the park where the handoff, the alleged handoff, was made by Mommy, 23-year-old Elizabeth Johnson, to this unknown couple that she just happens to meet at the park. How did you know the name of the park?

JACK SMITH: Yami. Yami was the one that had told me, and I -- I mentioned to you the connection aspect. Yami -- we have been somewhat embraced by them because they feel that we are trying our desperate -- desperately trying to find this baby. And help find this baby.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1001/07/ng.01.html


NANCY GRACE
Smiths Take Polygraphs in Missing Baby Gabriel Case
Aired January 8, 2010 - 20:00:00   ET


JEAN CASAREZ, GUEST HOST:. Have you had any communication at all today with Elizabeth Johnson?

TAMMI SMITH: No.

CASAREZ: Have you heard anything of where this baby could be tonight?

TAMMI SMITH: Well, I -- since I did get to talk to the detectives and give them the information that Yami from Fox News -- I`ve become really good friends with Yami with Fox News in San Antonio, and she is our digger. She searches and searches for information. And so I was able to give them the information that she gave me. Finally, I was able to give that to them because it`s very hard to get in touch with anybody over there.

CASAREZ: And what is that information?

TAMMI SMITH: I can give you some of the information, but some I cannot. One piece of information is when Elizabeth left, she had a Garmin, which is a navigation system, hooked up in her car and turned on. And when we met up, this was a place where she told us to meet her so there was no reason to have it turned on.

And from what Yami says, her cell phone was -- had a signal in Victoria, Texas, and that was the day that she went missing. And that was the day that she actually got on the bus. So if she had to drive two hours south from San Antonio, why did she drive two hours south down to Victoria, and then drive back up to San Antonio, and then get on a bus to go to Miami? That leads us to believe that that baby is in Victoria..

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1001/08/ng.01.html


1.  Darla ... I agree.  Tammi's words on Nancy Grace seem to indicate that she hooked up with Elizabeth at some point when she was on the run with Gabriel.

2.  It appears that all the information which Tammi claims that Yami provided was to divert  attention away from the San Antonio hotel where the transfer took place.

Janet


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Babybear on January 14, 2010, 11:27:41 AM
I couldn't think of the last name that woman from Atlanta who hides children and mothers.  Yager.  Thanks to the poster who found it.  Fay Yager is, IMO, not doing an honest service to children and parents  and often hides mothers and children from fathers who are perfectly innocent.  That, of course, is just my opinion after watching her operate years ago.

IMO Tammi Smith is up to her neck in this, helped arrange the disappearance of Gabriel and got some money as a go between.  Elizabeth Johnson, IMO, also got some of the money.  They could get a lot for a child as cute as Gabriel. 

The black market baby broker, if there is one involved here and I believe there is, got the lion's share of the money for Gabriel.  The "adoptive" parents know that what they did, buying a baby, is illegal and if they are found should be prosecuted.   Trafficking in children.

Personally, I think Tammi Smith should be waterboarded.  IMO there's something wrong in the head of a person who gives enemas for a living.  Gross.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 14, 2010, 11:28:52 AM
FBI questions Texas group in missing kid case

The nationwide search for a missing 8-month-old Tempe boy has led FBI agents to question employees of a San Antonio organization that oversees the licensing of colon-cleansing practitioners.

The International Association of Colon Hydrotherapists certified Tammi Smith of Scottsdale, who was named a person of interest in the search for Gabriel Johnson.

The boy's mother, 23-year-old Elizabeth Johnson, was last seen with Gabriel on Dec. 26 at a motel about a block away from the organization's offices.

"It's a long shot, but we're questioning people there to see if there is a connection," said Kim Hale, commander of investigations for the Tempe Police Department. "Our focus continues to be in San Antonio where the child was last seen."

Tammi Smith told the Tribune she thought authorities questioning the corporate headquarters where she is certified from was "ridiculous."

"I have nothing to say about that," Smith said. "That's +++++++. I've never been to the office in San Antonio. I've talked to people there and called them. Nobody from the FBI has called us, yet. This whole thing is ridiculous. I have begged and begged for them to ask us questions - nobody will ask us questions, nobody will come to our home."

Smith owns Healing Waters in Sun City West and in Glendale, according to her company's Web site. Her husband, Jack Smith, also was named a person of interest in the case. The couple had said they were interested in adopting Gabriel from his mother and father, Logan McQueary. Police have said the Smiths are withholding information that could lead them to the baby boy.

Johnson was arrested at a youth hostel in Miami Beach, Fla., on Dec. 30 and was extradited to Arizona late Saturday on suspicion of custodial interference, kidnapping and child abuse. She is being held in the Maricopa County Estrella Jail on a $1.1 million cash bond and has been uncooperative with authorities since her arrest, Hale said.

Smith said she visited with Johnson in jail on Wednesday and Johnson changed her story of where she gave away the child.

Polygraph inconclusive in missing baby case

Mother of missing child returned to Valley

 

"She said she gave the baby away to a couple inside the motel room," Smith said. "She said she put the baby in the car seat and signed a paper giving custody of the child to the couple. She said the couple knew it was a phony state adoption. She said she stayed inside the room while the couple took the baby out to the car and said she didn't know what the car looked like."

Smith said Johnson described the woman as in her mid-30s, 5 feet 1 inch to 5 feet 3 inches tall with blond hair and weighing 110 to 125 pounds.

The man was tall with dark hair, and that was it, Smith said.

Hale said Wednesday that investigators are trying to determine whether Johnson, 23, gave the child away in San Antonio as she told the FBI, or killed the baby. Johnson told McQueary, her estranged boyfriend, by phone and text message on Dec. 27 that she killed the baby and put its body in a dumpster in a diaper bag, according to a Maricopa County Superior Court document.

However, police have said they believe the baby is still alive.

When Johnson was arrested, she had about $500 cash on her, according to police.

Hale said there was a certain amount of planning that Johnson did before she left Arizona with the baby on Dec. 18, and investigators believe she had some kind of help.

"We know originally, she sold a couple of dogs, she had a roommate that gave her about $400, and she had some social services assistance," Hale said. "When you start adding up all that, we estimated she had about $1,200 when she left. By the time you start calculating the drive, gas, motel stays and shopping in Miami, and her having about $500 cash on her at the time of her arrest, the numbers don't add up. Somewhere along the way, she came into some extra funds."

Hale said Wednesday that investigators also have a GPS tracking device that was recovered from the 1995 white Delta 88 Oldsmobile she abandoned in San Antonio on Dec. 27 before boarding a bus to Miami.

The Smiths took a polygraph administered by Tempe police on Friday, and the results came back as inconclusive, according to police.

San Antonio police opened a missing persons investigation into Gabriel on Thursday, and a $5,000 reward now is being offered for the safe return of Gabriel through Crime Stoppers in San Antonio. If anyone has any information about Gabriel's whereabouts, they can call (210) 224-7867.

Tips can also be submitted online at www.sacrimestoppers.com, or by text-messaging "Tip 127 plus your tip" to CRIMES (274637).

If anyone knows of Gabriel Johnson's whereabouts, they also can call the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children at 1-800-843-5678.

http://www.eastvalleytribune.com/story/149469


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: bananas on January 14, 2010, 11:43:54 AM
There should have been some other questions asked when she has the jail visitation interview yesterday. 

How did she find this new couple that she gave Gabe to?
What underground service did you use?
A name associated with them?

She did not just plain give the baby to someone that walked into the hotel room without not having to set something up.

I would guess Elizabeth would not have answers for the above questions.

How did Elizabeth see the "new tan car seat" and not see the car?  To quote Nancy Grace "this doesn't make sense"!

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

JMO, I think TS lives in a fantasy world.

This would be possible if it was the type of car seat you carry the baby in and then set into a base in the car..... but isn't he getting too big for that type of car seat?


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Missiontoconvict on January 14, 2010, 11:44:27 AM
Police say the jailhouse meeting between the two women was not recorded.  ::MonkeyNoNo::
I find that to be very interesting seeing as Tammi told Nancy Grace she would not be willing to talk to Elizabeth unless it was recorded - And why would this visit not be recorded any way?  I don't understand that at all.  I also think Tammi is up to her neck in this esp when she told NG that she believed some of what Elizabeth was saying - how in the world can she make that assumption - based on what?????  Perhaps because she herself knows.   ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 14, 2010, 11:46:15 AM
Elizabeth Johnson, Mother of Missing Boy, Used an Alias in Texas, Says Hotel Clerk

TEMPE, Ariz. Elizabeth Johnson, an Arizona mother who is refusing to help police find her missing 8-month-old baby, may have been using multiple names and a fake driver's license while on a strange road trip that took her from Tempe to San Antonio to Miami.

When police finally picked her up Dec. 30, 2009 in Miami, little Gabriel Johnson was nowhere to be found. Elizabeth Johnson, 23, told police she gave the child away to strangers in San Antonio, where her car was found, but she also sent the baby's father Logan McQueary, a text message saying she had killed the baby.

CNN's Nancy Grace is reporting that a hotel clerk at a San Antonio hotel where Elizabeth Johnson allegedly stayed told police that she checked in with a fake Texas driver's license and was carrying an infant car seat, but kept it pointed away from the clerk so they couldn’t see if there was a baby.

Court documents have also revealed that the second man Elizabeth Johnson named as the possible father of Gabriel Johnson, Craig Cherry, is actually the cousin of Tammi Smith, the woman who Elizabeth claims wanted to adopt little Gabriel. Cherry told investigators that he had never met Elizabeth Johnson and doesn't know why she would name him in the documents, according to CNN.

http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2010/01/14/crimesider/entry6096469.shtml

Elizabeth may not have known the couple she turned Gabriel over to but ... it appears to me this adoption was all planned prior to picking up Gabriel from the Smith residence and ... driving to San Antonio.

Could it be that Elizabeth realized that an uncooperative Logan implied the Smiths would be prevented from adopting Gabriel so she hooked up with the "underground" through the internet ... the "underground" which did all the paperwork pertaining to false identification for both Elizabeth and Gabriel and ... then arranged an adoption?

Janet

++++++++

NANCY GRACE
New Developments in Missing Baby Gabriel Case
Aired January 6, 2010 - 20:00:00   ET


UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Tammi says months went by then last month she received a call from Elizabeth.

T. SMITH: She finally called and said, are you ready to adopt him?

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: The two parties signed legal guardianship papers and Gabriel moved in with the Smiths.

JACK SMITH, PLANNED TO ADOPT BABY GABRIEL: We fell in love with him.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: But the baby`s dad wouldn`t sign guardianship or adoption papers. Still, Gabriel quickly became part of the Smith family, visiting Santa, playing with 4-year-old Hannah.

Then, December 18th, Elizabeth picked up her son to visit his father. Little did the Smiths know, the two were taking off to San Antonio.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1001/06/ng.01.html


Johnson's Grandfather Thinks She's Lying
UPDATED: 11:22 am MST January 7, 2010


"She had this cockamamie idea that she was going to change her Social Security number and name and his Social Security number and name and run forever," Bob Johnson said.

http://www.kpho.com/news/22168065/detail.html


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: seahorse on January 14, 2010, 12:09:44 PM
I wonder if Elizabeth used an illegal immigrant to babysit for Gabriel's while staying at the Hotel?

This would explain why no one has come forth, the illegal babysitter could be deported.

The immigrant would babysit for a couple dollars and remain silent.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Tracygirl on January 14, 2010, 12:17:33 PM
Snipped from a previous article posted

Tammi Smith told the Tribune she thought authorities questioning the corporate headquarters where she is certified from was "ridiculous."

"I have nothing to say about that," Smith said. "That's +++++++. I've never been to the office in San Antonio. I've talked to people there and called them. Nobody from the FBI has called us, yet. This whole thing is ridiculous. I have begged and begged for them to ask us questions - nobody will ask us questions, nobody will come to our home."


Wasn't it said she was set to adopt a child with down syndrome? A child who will undoubtedly be called this horrible and offensive word? A child who will look to his "mother" to dry the tears he will shed because those words used to describe him will cut deep into his heart? A child who will only wish to be accepted and respected for who he is? Is she still going to adopt this child? I certainly hope not. Shameful but I would not expect any less from this woman.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 14, 2010, 12:17:43 PM
This excited new Mom apparently ordered the Project Life Kit from Becky and ... it would have been delivered by the time she got home to MI.  I believe the Project Life Kit may be a fancy photo album.  This would imply that in the course of the investigation the authorities could obtain Beth's MI address through Becky and check it out.  Also ... could it be that the Kit was paid for online and ... that would provide further information about Beth.

I hope authorities are investigating.

Janet


++++++

Blogger Beth said...

I live in WI, but am currently in San Antonio, TX. My husband and I are adopting a handsome baby boy that was placed into our care on January 1. I've decided to make my project life about Baby Gabriel. Even though I won't be home when my project arrives I am clicking away taking his photo here in San Antonio.

January 4, 2010 1:45 PM

http://www.beckyhiggins.com/blog/2010/01/sharing-enthusiasm.html


Becky's Blog
Monday, January 4, 2010


sharing the enthusiasm

First, a visual update of where I'm starting to notice more Project Life deliveries in a few more states today -- MONDAY.

It sounds like some of you are taking a picture when Project Life is delivered to you. Just for fun ... send me a picture of you holding your Project Life kit (doesn't matter if it's still in the box or not). I'm going to do something fun with those pictures.

Likewise ... If you want to email a brief testimonial about Project Life, drop me an email. By sending me a picture and/or testimonial, you're giving me permission to potentially use it on the website.

I'd love to hear from you. Send your photos and testimonials to

projectlife@beckyhiggins.com.

http://www.beckyhiggins.com/blog/2010/01/sharing-enthusiasm.html



Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: bananas on January 14, 2010, 12:24:58 PM
Snipped from a previous article posted

Tammi Smith told the Tribune she thought authorities questioning the corporate headquarters where she is certified from was "ridiculous."

"I have nothing to say about that," Smith said. "That's +++++++. I've never been to the office in San Antonio. I've talked to people there and called them. Nobody from the FBI has called us, yet. This whole thing is ridiculous. I have begged and begged for them to ask us questions - nobody will ask us questions, nobody will come to our home."


Wasn't it said she was set to adopt a child with down syndrome? A child who will undoubtedly be called this horrible and offensive word? A child who will look to his "mother" to dry the tears he will shed because those words used to describe him will cut deep into his heart? A child who will only wish to be accepted and respected for who he is? Is she still going to adopt this child? I certainly hope not. Shameful but I would not expect any less from this woman.

I loathe this phrase which is bandied around so carelessly these days.  I have a son who is mentally challenged and it in fact doesn't hurt him to hear it... it is me it hurts.  ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Tracygirl on January 14, 2010, 12:25:41 PM
Who was there at the interview, just Tammi and EJ? WTH? I don't believe one thing that was said. They both lie pathilogically. I think Tammi was trying to be some kind of Yager for Elizabeth.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Tracygirl on January 14, 2010, 12:29:35 PM
Bananas nothing makes my fur stand up as hearing that word. It is offensive and so disrespectful. For this woman to use it so openly and at the same time claim she loves humanity and god, she makes me want to vomit.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 14, 2010, 12:30:06 PM
Been sick with this stupid stomach virus and slept most of the day.  I finally caught up on this thread.  I am hoping and praying this posting by Beth is the key to finding little Gabriel.  I hope it is taken seriously enough to look into.  It scares me that it could just be dismissed in the plethora of tips they have probably received.  It just seems too coincidental.  How popular is the name Gabriel for babies these days?  Could it be a different baby Gabriel?

Good Morning bananas

I hope you are feeling better today.  Take care of yourself ... there is a lot of bad stuff going around.

 ::MonkeyAngel::

Janet
9:30 AM Pt


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: bananas on January 14, 2010, 12:31:43 PM
Bananas nothing makes my fur stand up as hearing that word. It is offensive and so disrespectful. For this woman to use it so openly and at the same time claim she loves humanity and god, she makes me want to vomit.

Tracygirl... when you have a child who is mentally handicapped, you become thick skinned... you have to.  I realize most people use the phrase out of ignorance.... but it does still hurt sometimes.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: no rose colored glasses on January 14, 2010, 12:31:56 PM
Snipped from a previous article posted

Tammi Smith told the Tribune she thought authorities questioning the corporate headquarters where she is certified from was "ridiculous."

"I have nothing to say about that," Smith said. "That's +++++++. I've never been to the office in San Antonio. I've talked to people there and called them. Nobody from the FBI has called us, yet. This whole thing is ridiculous. I have begged and begged for them to ask us questions - nobody will ask us questions, nobody will come to our home."


Wasn't it said she was set to adopt a child with down syndrome? A child who will undoubtedly be called this horrible and offensive word? A child who will look to his "mother" to dry the tears he will shed because those words used to describe him will cut deep into his heart? A child who will only wish to be accepted and respected for who he is? Is she still going to adopt this child? I certainly hope not. Shameful but I would not expect any less from this woman.
I was stunned by that, but then a person like Tammi probably wouldn't think a thing of that word. The more this woman talks the more she makes me ill.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: no rose colored glasses on January 14, 2010, 12:33:59 PM
Bananas nothing makes my fur stand up as hearing that word. It is offensive and so disrespectful. For this woman to use it so openly and at the same time claim she loves humanity and god, she makes me want to vomit.

Tracygirl... when you have a child who is mentally handicapped, you become thick skinned... you have to.  I realize most people use the phrase out of ignorance.... but it does still hurt sometimes.
  ::MonkeyAngel:: Having had two members of my family with Down Syndrome and an aunt that just died recently who was very mentally challenged, it is disturbing. Tammi is disturbing.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: no rose colored glasses on January 14, 2010, 12:34:21 PM

Police told News 4 WOAI that Johnson's claim that a couple is pictured on surveillance video with the child is inaccurate. Investigators have said that Johnson has changed the stories that she is telling people.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: bananas on January 14, 2010, 12:35:03 PM
Been sick with this stupid stomach virus and slept most of the day.  I finally caught up on this thread.  I am hoping and praying this posting by Beth is the key to finding little Gabriel.  I hope it is taken seriously enough to look into.  It scares me that it could just be dismissed in the plethora of tips they have probably received.  It just seems too coincidental.  How popular is the name Gabriel for babies these days?  Could it be a different baby Gabriel?

Good Morning bananas

I hope you are feeling better today.  Take care of yourself ... there is a lot of bad stuff going around.

 ::MonkeyAngel::

Janet
9:30 AM Pt

Good morning to you too and all you friendly monkeys.  I am feeling much stronger and better today!  I have even jumped on the treadmill and walked a few miles this morning.  It must have been a stomach bug... Thank God, it didn't last too long.  In another day, I think all remnants of the blasted germ will be gone.  ::MonkeyBike::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: no rose colored glasses on January 14, 2010, 12:37:12 PM
Been sick with this stupid stomach virus and slept most of the day.  I finally caught up on this thread.  I am hoping and praying this posting by Beth is the key to finding little Gabriel.  I hope it is taken seriously enough to look into.  It scares me that it could just be dismissed in the plethora of tips they have probably received.  It just seems too coincidental.  How popular is the name Gabriel for babies these days?  Could it be a different baby Gabriel?

Good Morning bananas

I hope you are feeling better today.  Take care of yourself ... there is a lot of bad stuff going around.

 ::MonkeyAngel::

Janet
9:30 AM Pt

Good morning to you too and all you friendly monkeys.  I am feeling much stronger and better today!  I have even jumped on the treadmill and walked a few miles this morning.  It must have been a stomach bug... Thank God, it didn't last too long.  In another day, I think all remnants of the blasted germ will be gone.  ::MonkeyBike::
   ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: bananas on January 14, 2010, 12:39:47 PM
I am hoping and praying they will follow up on this Beth posting and find baby Gabriel.  He seems to be the most precious child... such a beautiful smile he has and he deserves to be with his father who seems to love him.  His smile haunts me and I hope he will be found alive. In a lot of ways, he reminds me of my own grandson who is so close to him him age.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Tracygirl on January 14, 2010, 12:41:20 PM
Bananas nothing makes my fur stand up as hearing that word. It is offensive and so disrespectful. For this woman to use it so openly and at the same time claim she loves humanity and god, she makes me want to vomit.

Tracygirl... when you have a child who is mentally handicapped, you become thick skinned... you have to.  I realize most people use the phrase out of ignorance.... but it does still hurt sometimes.

Oh I am not thick skinned about this subject, no way. When I hear this word or other horrible phrases used against those with mental or physical disabilities I call them out. I not only stand up for my son who has a dx of Autism but the many children and adults I have known with disabilities. This phrase needs to go away. It is very disrespectful and demeaning and these days, people should know better.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: no rose colored glasses on January 14, 2010, 12:44:28 PM
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Could she be monitoring this site herself? (In which case, clamping my mouth shut to avoid saying something to her that could get me banned!)
Perhaps however someone posted to her website the info about "Beth" and the content of the posting. Tammi replies saying thank you, I already called the FBI to have it checked into (paraphrasing)
  ::MonkeyEek::  Of course she did.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Tracygirl on January 14, 2010, 12:45:16 PM

Police told News 4 WOAI that Johnson's claim that a couple is pictured on surveillance video with the child is inaccurate. Investigators have said that Johnson has changed the stories that she is telling people.

So did Elizabeth actually say this or did Tammi feed this to her. We don't know, but you would think LE would know. I bet they had someone in there with them such as a guard. I have a hard time believing they were not at least listening in.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: klaasend on January 14, 2010, 12:47:05 PM
I was gone for a while and this may have already been posted:

http://www.abc15.com/content/news/blogs/story/New-lead-in-Baby-Gabriels-Arizona-disappearance/kMzdZQEON0ORawoDI8UUdg.cspx


New lead in Baby Gabriel's Arizona disappearance?
   Reported by: Chris Kline
Email: ckline@abc15.com
Last Update: 10:26 am


PHOENIX - A blog entry from early January is sparking some interest in the case of a missing Arizona infant.

Eight-month-old Gabriel was last seen on December 26 in San Antonio, Texas.

Investigators say his mother, 23-year-old Elizabeth Johnson, drove there from her home in Tempe, stayed about a week, then took a bus to Florida without Gabriel.

In reply to a web post on BeckyHiggins.com, blogger "Beth" wrote, "I live in WI, but am currently in San Antonio, TX. My husband and I are adopting a handsome baby boy that was placed into our care on January 1. I've decided to make my project life about Baby Gabriel. Even though I won't be home when my project arrives I am clicking away taking his photo here in San Antonio."

The entry is timestamped on January 4th. There's no contact info listed for Beth.


Elizabeth Johnson was arrested on December 30 and returned to Arizona to face kidnapping and child abuse charges.

Her baby is still missing.

A reward of up to $5,000 is being offered for the safe return of Gabriel.

Anyone with information about Gabriel can call Crime Stoppers at 210-224-STOP or online at http://www.sacrimestoppers.com.

A news conference with Tempe Police is scheduled for 1 p.m. today.

Check back for updates.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Tracygirl on January 14, 2010, 12:49:14 PM
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Could she be monitoring this site herself? (In which case, clamping my mouth shut to avoid saying something to her that could get me banned!)
Perhaps however someone posted to her website the info about "Beth" and the content of the posting. Tammi replies saying thank you, I already called the FBI to have it checked into (paraphrasing)
  ::MonkeyEek::  Of course she did.

Where is this from? Yea she called the FBI, they probably hung up on her, lol.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Tracygirl on January 14, 2010, 12:50:34 PM
I was gone for a while and this may have already been posted:

http://www.abc15.com/content/news/blogs/story/New-lead-in-Baby-Gabriels-Arizona-disappearance/kMzdZQEON0ORawoDI8UUdg.cspx


New lead in Baby Gabriel's Arizona disappearance?
   Reported by: Chris Kline
Email: ckline@abc15.com
Last Update: 10:26 am


PHOENIX - A blog entry from early January is sparking some interest in the case of a missing Arizona infant.

Eight-month-old Gabriel was last seen on December 26 in San Antonio, Texas.

Investigators say his mother, 23-year-old Elizabeth Johnson, drove there from her home in Tempe, stayed about a week, then took a bus to Florida without Gabriel.

In reply to a web post on BeckyHiggins.com, blogger "Beth" wrote, "I live in WI, but am currently in San Antonio, TX. My husband and I are adopting a handsome baby boy that was placed into our care on January 1. I've decided to make my project life about Baby Gabriel. Even though I won't be home when my project arrives I am clicking away taking his photo here in San Antonio."

The entry is timestamped on January 4th. There's no contact info listed for Beth.


Elizabeth Johnson was arrested on December 30 and returned to Arizona to face kidnapping and child abuse charges.

Her baby is still missing.

A reward of up to $5,000 is being offered for the safe return of Gabriel.

Anyone with information about Gabriel can call Crime Stoppers at 210-224-STOP or online at http://www.sacrimestoppers.com.

A news conference with Tempe Police is scheduled for 1 p.m. today.

Check back for updates.

Wow!!


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 14, 2010, 12:56:53 PM
I am hoping and praying they will follow up on this Beth posting and find baby Gabriel.  He seems to be the most precious child... such a beautiful smile he has and he deserves to be with his father who seems to love him.  His smile haunts me and I hope he will be found alive. In a lot of ways, he reminds me of my own grandson who is so close to him him age.

If Beth's post goes "poof" from Becky's website ... that could be an indication that authorities are investigating.

I keep checking.

Later, Janet

+++++

http://www.beckyhiggins.com/blog/2010/01/sharing-enthusiasm.html


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 14, 2010, 12:59:02 PM
I was gone for a while and this may have already been posted:

http://www.abc15.com/content/news/blogs/story/New-lead-in-Baby-Gabriels-Arizona-disappearance/kMzdZQEON0ORawoDI8UUdg.cspx


New lead in Baby Gabriel's Arizona disappearance?
   Reported by: Chris Kline
Email: ckline@abc15.com
Last Update: 10:26 am


PHOENIX - A blog entry from early January is sparking some interest in the case of a missing Arizona infant.

Eight-month-old Gabriel was last seen on December 26 in San Antonio, Texas.

Investigators say his mother, 23-year-old Elizabeth Johnson, drove there from her home in Tempe, stayed about a week, then took a bus to Florida without Gabriel.

In reply to a web post on BeckyHiggins.com, blogger "Beth" wrote, "I live in WI, but am currently in San Antonio, TX. My husband and I are adopting a handsome baby boy that was placed into our care on January 1. I've decided to make my project life about Baby Gabriel. Even though I won't be home when my project arrives I am clicking away taking his photo here in San Antonio."

The entry is timestamped on January 4th. There's no contact info listed for Beth.


Elizabeth Johnson was arrested on December 30 and returned to Arizona to face kidnapping and child abuse charges.

Her baby is still missing.

A reward of up to $5,000 is being offered for the safe return of Gabriel.

Anyone with information about Gabriel can call Crime Stoppers at 210-224-STOP or online at http://www.sacrimestoppers.com.

A news conference with Tempe Police is scheduled for 1 p.m. today.

Check back for updates.

 ::MonkeyShocked::

04Bull!!  WHERE ARE YOU?


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Monkey with Class on January 14, 2010, 01:06:39 PM
If someone finds the link to the 1 PM news conference, please post.  Thanks

I can not seem to find it


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: no rose colored glasses on January 14, 2010, 01:07:42 PM
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Could she be monitoring this site herself? (In which case, clamping my mouth shut to avoid saying something to her that could get me banned!)
Perhaps however someone posted to her website the info about "Beth" and the content of the posting. Tammi replies saying thank you, I already called the FBI to have it checked into (paraphrasing)
  ::MonkeyEek::  Of course she did.

Where is this from? Yea she called the FBI, they probably hung up on her, lol.
Websleuths, I'm sorry I forgot to add that.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: no rose colored glasses on January 14, 2010, 01:18:03 PM
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************************************************** *************************************

New lead in Baby Gabriel's Arizona disappearance?

PHOENIX - A blog entry from early January is sparking some interest in the case of a missing Arizona infant.

Eight-month-old Gabriel was last seen on December 26 in San Antonio, Texas.

Investigators say his mother, 23-year-old Elizabeth Johnson, drove there from her home in Tempe, stayed about a week, then took a bus to Florida without Gabriel.

In reply to a web post on BeckyHiggins.com, blogger "Beth" wrote, "I live in WI, but am currently in San Antonio, TX. My husband and I are adopting a handsome baby boy that was placed into our care on January 1. I've decided to make my project life about Baby Gabriel. Even though I won't be home when my project arrives I am clicking away taking his photo here in San Antonio."

The entry is timestamped on January 4th. There's no contact info listed for Beth.
   ::MonkeyEek::  I don't think so Websleuths. 04Bull where are you?


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: klaasend on January 14, 2010, 01:18:57 PM
I am hoping and praying they will follow up on this Beth posting and find baby Gabriel.  He seems to be the most precious child... such a beautiful smile he has and he deserves to be with his father who seems to love him.  His smile haunts me and I hope he will be found alive. In a lot of ways, he reminds me of my own grandson who is so close to him him age.

If Beth's post goes "poof" from Becky's website ... that could be an indication that authorities are investigating.

I keep checking.

Later, Janet

+++++

http://www.beckyhiggins.com/blog/2010/01/sharing-enthusiasm.html


Thanks Janet!  I also copied the entire  page with comments.  I have a program that will save the entire page in PDF format so I have it.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 14, 2010, 01:22:48 PM
I was gone for a while and this may have already been posted:

http://www.abc15.com/content/news/blogs/story/New-lead-in-Baby-Gabriels-Arizona-disappearance/kMzdZQEON0ORawoDI8UUdg.cspx


New lead in Baby Gabriel's Arizona disappearance?
   Reported by: Chris Kline
Email: ckline@abc15.com
Last Update: 10:26 am


PHOENIX - A blog entry from early January is sparking some interest in the case of a missing Arizona infant.

Eight-month-old Gabriel was last seen on December 26 in San Antonio, Texas.

Investigators say his mother, 23-year-old Elizabeth Johnson, drove there from her home in Tempe, stayed about a week, then took a bus to Florida without Gabriel.

In reply to a web post on BeckyHiggins.com, blogger "Beth" wrote, "I live in WI, but am currently in San Antonio, TX. My husband and I are adopting a handsome baby boy that was placed into our care on January 1. I've decided to make my project life about Baby Gabriel. Even though I won't be home when my project arrives I am clicking away taking his photo here in San Antonio."

The entry is timestamped on January 4th. There's no contact info listed for Beth.


Elizabeth Johnson was arrested on December 30 and returned to Arizona to face kidnapping and child abuse charges.

Her baby is still missing.

A reward of up to $5,000 is being offered for the safe return of Gabriel.

Anyone with information about Gabriel can call Crime Stoppers at 210-224-STOP or online at http://www.sacrimestoppers.com.

A news conference with Tempe Police is scheduled for 1 p.m. today.

Check back for updates.

I just emailed the ABC reporter who submitted this article.

++++++++++
 
Mr. Kline
 
How is it there is no contact info listed to "Blogger" Beth.  This excited new Mom apparently ordered the Project Life Kit from Becky and ... according to her ... it would have been delivered by the time she got home to MI.  I believe the Project Life Kit may be a fancy photo album.  This would imply that in the course of the investigation the authorities should have the ability to obtain Beth's MI address through Becky and check it out.  Also ... could it be that the Kit was paid for online.  That would provide further information about Beth.
 
Something is not right.
 
Janet

++++++

Blogger Beth said...

I live in WI, but am currently in San Antonio, TX. My husband and I are adopting a handsome baby boy that was placed into our care on January 1. I've decided to make my project life about Baby Gabriel. Even though I won't be home when my project arrives I am clicking away taking his photo here in San Antonio.

January 4, 2010 1:45 PM

http://www.beckyhiggins.com/blog/2010/01/sharing-enthusiasm.html


Becky's Blog
Monday, January 4, 2010


sharing the enthusiasm

First, a visual update of where I'm starting to notice more Project Life deliveries in a few more states today -- MONDAY.

It sounds like some of you are taking a picture when Project Life is delivered to you. Just for fun ... send me a picture of you holding your Project Life kit (doesn't matter if it's still in the box or not). I'm going to do something fun with those pictures.

Likewise ... If you want to email a brief testimonial about Project Life, drop me an email. By sending me a picture and/or testimonial, you're giving me permission to potentially use it on the website.

I'd love to hear from you. Send your photos and testimonials to

projectlife@beckyhiggins.com.

http://www.beckyhiggins.com/blog/2010/01/sharing-enthusiasm.html


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 14, 2010, 01:24:55 PM
I am hoping and praying they will follow up on this Beth posting and find baby Gabriel.  He seems to be the most precious child... such a beautiful smile he has and he deserves to be with his father who seems to love him.  His smile haunts me and I hope he will be found alive. In a lot of ways, he reminds me of my own grandson who is so close to him him age.

If Beth's post goes "poof" from Becky's website ... that could be an indication that authorities are investigating.

I keep checking.

Later, Janet

+++++

http://www.beckyhiggins.com/blog/2010/01/sharing-enthusiasm.html


Thanks Janet!  I also copied the entire  page with comments.  I have a program that will save the entire page in PDF format so I have it.

Thanks Klaas.

I am so excited.  Where is 04Bull?  She deserves to share in the excitement.  It was her catch that got the ball rolling.

Janet


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Tracygirl on January 14, 2010, 01:26:55 PM
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************************************************** *************************************

New lead in Baby Gabriel's Arizona disappearance?

PHOENIX - A blog entry from early January is sparking some interest in the case of a missing Arizona infant.

Eight-month-old Gabriel was last seen on December 26 in San Antonio, Texas.

Investigators say his mother, 23-year-old Elizabeth Johnson, drove there from her home in Tempe, stayed about a week, then took a bus to Florida without Gabriel.

In reply to a web post on BeckyHiggins.com, blogger "Beth" wrote, "I live in WI, but am currently in San Antonio, TX. My husband and I are adopting a handsome baby boy that was placed into our care on January 1. I've decided to make my project life about Baby Gabriel. Even though I won't be home when my project arrives I am clicking away taking his photo here in San Antonio."

The entry is timestamped on January 4th. There's no contact info listed for Beth.
   ::MonkeyEek::  I don't think so Websleuths. 04Bull where are you?

Does 04bull post at both sites?


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: klaasend on January 14, 2010, 01:26:58 PM
I am hoping and praying they will follow up on this Beth posting and find baby Gabriel.  He seems to be the most precious child... such a beautiful smile he has and he deserves to be with his father who seems to love him.  His smile haunts me and I hope he will be found alive. In a lot of ways, he reminds me of my own grandson who is so close to him him age.

If Beth's post goes "poof" from Becky's website ... that could be an indication that authorities are investigating.

I keep checking.

Later, Janet

+++++

http://www.beckyhiggins.com/blog/2010/01/sharing-enthusiasm.html


Thanks Janet!  I also copied the entire  page with comments.  I have a program that will save the entire page in PDF format so I have it.

Thanks Klaas.

I am so excited.  Where is 04Bull?  She deserves to share in the excitement.  It was her catch that got the ball rolling.

Janet

Not sure where O4Bull is...maybe at work or just plain busy with real life stuff.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: klaasend on January 14, 2010, 01:27:45 PM
Tracygirl - I don't know for sure if O4Bull posts at both sites.  I don't think so.  I'll see if I can figure that out.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 14, 2010, 01:28:16 PM
I am hoping and praying they will follow up on this Beth posting and find baby Gabriel.  He seems to be the most precious child... such a beautiful smile he has and he deserves to be with his father who seems to love him.  His smile haunts me and I hope he will be found alive. In a lot of ways, he reminds me of my own grandson who is so close to him him age.

If Beth's post goes "poof" from Becky's website ... that could be an indication that authorities are investigating.

I keep checking.

Later, Janet

+++++

http://www.beckyhiggins.com/blog/2010/01/sharing-enthusiasm.html


Thanks Janet!  I also copied the entire  page with comments.  I have a program that will save the entire page in PDF format so I have it.

Thanks Klaas.

I am so excited.  Where is 04Bull?  She deserves to share in the excitement.  It was her catch that got the ball rolling.

Janet

Not sure where O4Bull is...maybe at work or just plain busy with real life stuff.

Klaas ... maybe you could email her.

Just a suggestion.

Janet


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Tracygirl on January 14, 2010, 01:31:18 PM
All that really matters is this was found. We know she found it and posted it here, (maybe somewhere else too?) and we all came together and did what needed to be done. If this leads to finding this baby the real thanks and credit (!) goes to o4bull only, not a website. It was an amazing find.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: bananas on January 14, 2010, 01:34:06 PM
All that really matters is this was found. We know she found it and posted it here, (maybe somewhere else too?) and we all came together and did what needed to be done. If this leads to finding this baby the real thanks and credit (!) goes to o4bull only, not a website. It was an amazing find.

Agreed... I just hope it is the FIND we think it is.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Monkey with Class on January 14, 2010, 01:34:58 PM
I can not get to this link from at work.  Can anyone look at this and see if it may be related?

Thanks

The Secret to Scrapbooking during the Holidays « Creating ...Dec 3, 2009 by creatingkeepsakes
As well as Cricut cartridges, Becky Higgins' new Project Life scrapbook kit, and a new lightweight folding table for my scrap work space. Comment by Lesley VW — 12/03/2009 #. New clothes…I lost 50 pounds this year! Comment by Christine H — 12/03/2009 # ...... It took 5 months to find out where she was . . . she is now in Michigan with her dad who is lying and faking who he is (how do some people get away with this) to try and get custody of her. ...
http://creatingkeepsakesblog.com/ - More results from Creating Keepsakes Blog - References


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 14, 2010, 01:35:39 PM
I was gone for a while and this may have already been posted:

http://www.abc15.com/content/news/blogs/story/New-lead-in-Baby-Gabriels-Arizona-disappearance/kMzdZQEON0ORawoDI8UUdg.cspx


New lead in Baby Gabriel's Arizona disappearance?
   Reported by: Chris Kline
Email: ckline@abc15.com
Last Update: 10:26 am

<snipped>

A news conference with Tempe Police is scheduled for 1 p.m. today.

Check back for updates.

Pacific Time?

Thanks

Janet


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: klaasend on January 14, 2010, 01:39:57 PM
I was gone for a while and this may have already been posted:

http://www.abc15.com/content/news/blogs/story/New-lead-in-Baby-Gabriels-Arizona-disappearance/kMzdZQEON0ORawoDI8UUdg.cspx


New lead in Baby Gabriel's Arizona disappearance?
   Reported by: Chris Kline
Email: ckline@abc15.com
Last Update: 10:26 am

<snipped>

A news conference with Tempe Police is scheduled for 1 p.m. today.

Check back for updates.

Pacific Time?

Thanks

Janet

I believe Phoenix is on Mountain Standard Time right now and is one hour ahead of Pacific time.  So, right now it's 10:39am PST and it would be an hour later in Phoenix or 11:30am MST.

Edited to clarify:  If the press conference is at 1pm Phoenix time it will be 12 noon PST.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: no rose colored glasses on January 14, 2010, 01:40:17 PM
It should be 12:00 our time Janet.  Monkey with Class  ::MonkeyEek:: another interesting find.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 14, 2010, 01:45:06 PM
I was gone for a while and this may have already been posted:

http://www.abc15.com/content/news/blogs/story/New-lead-in-Baby-Gabriels-Arizona-disappearance/kMzdZQEON0ORawoDI8UUdg.cspx


New lead in Baby Gabriel's Arizona disappearance?
   Reported by: Chris Kline
Email: ckline@abc15.com
Last Update: 10:26 am

<snipped>

A news conference with Tempe Police is scheduled for 1 p.m. today.

Check back for updates.

Pacific Time?

Thanks

Janet

I believe Phoenix is on Mountain Standard Time right now and is one hour ahead of Pacific time.  So, right now it's 10:39am PST and it would be an hour later in Phoenix or 11:30am MST.

Edited to clarify:  If the press conference is at 1pm Phoenix time it will be 12 noon PST.

Thanks Klaas

Janet


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 14, 2010, 01:47:30 PM
It should be 12:00 our time Janet.  Monkey with Class  ::MonkeyEek:: another interesting find.

Thanks no rose colored glasses

Janet
 


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: no rose colored glasses on January 14, 2010, 01:48:38 PM
It should be 12:00 our time Janet.  Monkey with Class  ::MonkeyEek:: another interesting find.

Thanks no rose colored glasses

Janet
 
Your welcome  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: bananas on January 14, 2010, 01:50:37 PM
It should be 12:00 our time Janet.  Monkey with Class  ::MonkeyEek:: another interesting find.

Thanks no rose colored glasses

Janet
 
Your welcome  ::MonkeyCool::

I assume that will be 2 pm CST?  And where would one find it?


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Tracygirl on January 14, 2010, 01:53:18 PM
I can not get to this link from at work.  Can anyone look at this and see if it may be related?

Thanks

The Secret to Scrapbooking during the Holidays « Creating ...Dec 3, 2009 by creatingkeepsakes
As well as Cricut cartridges, Becky Higgins' new Project Life scrapbook kit, and a new lightweight folding table for my scrap work space. Comment by Lesley VW — 12/03/2009 #. New clothes…I lost 50 pounds this year! Comment by Christine H — 12/03/2009 # ...... It took 5 months to find out where she was . . . she is now in Michigan with her dad who is lying and faking who he is (how do some people get away with this) to try and get custody of her. ...
http://creatingkeepsakesblog.com/ - More results from Creating Keepsakes Blog - References


Hmmm not sure. I can't seem to find this on the site.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: no rose colored glasses on January 14, 2010, 01:55:19 PM
It should be 12:00 our time Janet.  Monkey with Class  ::MonkeyEek:: another interesting find.

Thanks no rose colored glasses

Janet
 
Your welcome  ::MonkeyCool::

I assume that will be 2 pm CST?  And where would one find it?
It would be 2 your time, but don't know where to find it.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Tracygirl on January 14, 2010, 01:57:05 PM
I always have to use this site to tell me the time in different states, I can't keep track of it all.
http://www.time.gov/


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: seahorse on January 14, 2010, 01:58:07 PM
I am hoping and praying they will follow up on this Beth posting and find baby Gabriel.  He seems to be the most precious child... such a beautiful smile he has and he deserves to be with his father who seems to love him.  His smile haunts me and I hope he will be found alive. In a lot of ways, he reminds me of my own grandson who is so close to him him age.

If Beth's post goes "poof" from Becky's website ... that could be an indication that authorities are investigating.

I keep checking.

Later, Janet

+++++

http://www.beckyhiggins.com/blog/2010/01/sharing-enthusiasm.html


Thanks Janet!  I also copied the entire  page with comments.  I have a program that will save the entire page in PDF format so I have it.

Thanks Klaas.

I am so excited.  Where is 04Bull?  She deserves to share in the excitement.  It was her catch that got the ball rolling.

Janet

Not sure where O4Bull is...maybe at work or just plain busy with real life stuff.

Klaas ... maybe you could email her.

Just a suggestion.

Janet

Klaas,

Could you e-mail a Gold Star to 04Bull ?



Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: bananas on January 14, 2010, 02:00:56 PM
I can not get to this link from at work.  Can anyone look at this and see if it may be related?

Thanks

The Secret to Scrapbooking during the Holidays « Creating ...Dec 3, 2009 by creatingkeepsakes
As well as Cricut cartridges, Becky Higgins' new Project Life scrapbook kit, and a new lightweight folding table for my scrap work space. Comment by Lesley VW — 12/03/2009 #. New clothes…I lost 50 pounds this year! Comment by Christine H — 12/03/2009 # ...... It took 5 months to find out where she was . . . she is now in Michigan with her dad who is lying and faking who he is (how do some people get away with this) to try and get custody of her. ...
http://creatingkeepsakesblog.com/ - More results from Creating Keepsakes Blog - References


Hmmm not sure. I can't seem to find this on the site.

Looking at this site, I really don't see anything helpful.  There is a link to the blog on this page.
As to the press release... where will I find it at 2 pm CST?  Anyone know?


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 14, 2010, 02:06:01 PM
This is a huge longshot, and I do want to emphasize that I only mention it because of the dates, and the name and the state.
This poster says they just had a baby Gabriel placed into their care on January 1, in San Antonio.  Blogger said her name is "Beth".
Just a bunch of coincidences, IMO.  Still, probably nothing?

found here:  http://www.beckyhiggins.com/blog/2010/01/sharing-enthusiasm.html


Blogger Beth said...

    I live in WI, but am currently in San Antonio, TX. My husband and I are adopting a handsome baby boy that was placed into our care on January 1. I've decided to make my project life about Baby Gabriel. Even though I won't be home when my project arrives I am clicking away taking his photo here in San Antonio.
    January 4, 2010 1:45 PM

BUMPED


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 14, 2010, 02:07:31 PM
Dress thong (for interviews):   ::MonkeyDevil::

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub8/o4bullpink.jpg)

BUMPED


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: no rose colored glasses on January 14, 2010, 02:08:26 PM
Dress thong (for interviews):   ::MonkeyDevil::

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub8/o4bullpink.jpg)

BUMPED
  ::MonkeyDance::  ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: klaasend on January 14, 2010, 02:14:09 PM
I can not get to this link from at work.  Can anyone look at this and see if it may be related?

Thanks

The Secret to Scrapbooking during the Holidays « Creating ...Dec 3, 2009 by creatingkeepsakes
As well as Cricut cartridges, Becky Higgins' new Project Life scrapbook kit, and a new lightweight folding table for my scrap work space. Comment by Lesley VW — 12/03/2009 #. New clothes…I lost 50 pounds this year! Comment by Christine H — 12/03/2009 # ...... It took 5 months to find out where she was . . . she is now in Michigan with her dad who is lying and faking who he is (how do some people get away with this) to try and get custody of her. ...
http://creatingkeepsakesblog.com/ - More results from Creating Keepsakes Blog - References


Hmmm not sure. I can't seem to find this on the site.

The only thing in common is the interest in scrap booking and also Becky Higgins.  I don't see anything pertaining to Beth and likely wouldn't since Beth didn't sign up for a Blogger account until January 2010.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: klaasend on January 14, 2010, 02:16:26 PM
I can not get to this link from at work.  Can anyone look at this and see if it may be related?

Thanks

The Secret to Scrapbooking during the Holidays « Creating ...Dec 3, 2009 by creatingkeepsakes
As well as Cricut cartridges, Becky Higgins' new Project Life scrapbook kit, and a new lightweight folding table for my scrap work space. Comment by Lesley VW — 12/03/2009 #. New clothes…I lost 50 pounds this year! Comment by Christine H — 12/03/2009 # ...... It took 5 months to find out where she was . . . she is now in Michigan with her dad who is lying and faking who he is (how do some people get away with this) to try and get custody of her. ...
http://creatingkeepsakesblog.com/ - More results from Creating Keepsakes Blog - References


Hmmm not sure. I can't seem to find this on the site.

Looking at this site, I really don't see anything helpful.  There is a link to the blog on this page.
As to the press release... where will I find it at 2 pm CST?  Anyone know?

Yes, it should be at 12 noon PST, 1pm MST, 2pm CST and 3pm ET

Or in about another 45 minutes  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: darla on January 14, 2010, 02:18:42 PM
Good Afternoon Monkeys and Guest!


Might know WS would try to take credit for the find. 04Bull deserves full credit for the find. I just left a message for the reporter I gave it to last night. He knows where the tip came from.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 14, 2010, 02:19:43 PM
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Join Date: Mar 2009
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************************************************** *************************************

New lead in Baby Gabriel's Arizona disappearance?

PHOENIX - A blog entry from early January is sparking some interest in the case of a missing Arizona infant.

Eight-month-old Gabriel was last seen on December 26 in San Antonio, Texas.

Investigators say his mother, 23-year-old Elizabeth Johnson, drove there from her home in Tempe, stayed about a week, then took a bus to Florida without Gabriel.

In reply to a web post on BeckyHiggins.com, blogger "Beth" wrote, "I live in WI, but am currently in San Antonio, TX. My husband and I are adopting a handsome baby boy that was placed into our care on January 1. I've decided to make my project life about Baby Gabriel. Even though I won't be home when my project arrives I am clicking away taking his photo here in San Antonio."

The entry is timestamped on January 4th. There's no contact info listed for Beth.
   ::MonkeyEek::  I don't think so Websleuths. 04Bull where are you?

WTH.  I have been busy this morning and come back to find WS is claiming they found what O4Bull deserves credit for?  I believe it was Janet that forwarded it to ABC last night as well.  At the end of this , if Gabriel is found it really does not matter who found what, however give credit where credit is due. 


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: bananas on January 14, 2010, 02:23:08 PM
I can not get to this link from at work.  Can anyone look at this and see if it may be related?

Thanks

The Secret to Scrapbooking during the Holidays « Creating ...Dec 3, 2009 by creatingkeepsakes
As well as Cricut cartridges, Becky Higgins' new Project Life scrapbook kit, and a new lightweight folding table for my scrap work space. Comment by Lesley VW — 12/03/2009 #. New clothes…I lost 50 pounds this year! Comment by Christine H — 12/03/2009 # ...... It took 5 months to find out where she was . . . she is now in Michigan with her dad who is lying and faking who he is (how do some people get away with this) to try and get custody of her. ...
http://creatingkeepsakesblog.com/ - More results from Creating Keepsakes Blog - References


Hmmm not sure. I can't seem to find this on the site.

Looking at this site, I really don't see anything helpful.  There is a link to the blog on this page.
As to the press release... where will I find it at 2 pm CST?  Anyone know?

Yes, it should be at 12 noon PST, 1pm MST, 2pm CST and 3pm ET

Or in about another 45 minutes  ::MonkeyWink::

Guess I should be more specific... Where will this be aired?


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 14, 2010, 02:25:01 PM
Good Afternoon Monkeys and Guest!


Might know WS would try to take credit for the find. 04Bull deserves full credit for the find. I just left a message for the reporter I gave it to last night. He knows where the tip came from.


 ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: darla on January 14, 2010, 02:25:16 PM
You know what would be a great idea? O4Bull found this tip and if it leads to finding Gabriel, O4bull said she wasn't interested in the reward, I think it would be great for the money go to Gabriel to start a college fund for him.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 14, 2010, 02:27:21 PM
The last presser was not streamed on any of the Phoenix news sites that have streaming capabilities.  Let me dig up the links again .  IRCC Tammi said last night she was calling a press conference today.  I wonder if LE is bumping hers?



Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: darla on January 14, 2010, 02:27:24 PM
I can not get to this link from at work.  Can anyone look at this and see if it may be related?

Thanks

The Secret to Scrapbooking during the Holidays « Creating ...Dec 3, 2009 by creatingkeepsakes
As well as Cricut cartridges, Becky Higgins' new Project Life scrapbook kit, and a new lightweight folding table for my scrap work space. Comment by Lesley VW — 12/03/2009 #. New clothes…I lost 50 pounds this year! Comment by Christine H — 12/03/2009 # ...... It took 5 months to find out where she was . . . she is now in Michigan with her dad who is lying and faking who he is (how do some people get away with this) to try and get custody of her. ...
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Hmmm not sure. I can't seem to find this on the site.

Looking at this site, I really don't see anything helpful.  There is a link to the blog on this page.
As to the press release... where will I find it at 2 pm CST?  Anyone know?

Yes, it should be at 12 noon PST, 1pm MST, 2pm CST and 3pm ET

Or in about another 45 minutes  ::MonkeyWink::

Guess I should be more specific... Where will this be aired?





Try KPHO news


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: bananas on January 14, 2010, 02:27:46 PM
You know what would be a great idea? O4Bull found this tip and if it leads to finding Gabriel, O4bull said she wasn't interested in the reward, I think it would be great for the money go to Gabriel to start a college fund for him.

I think that is an excellent idea!


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: mymonkey on January 14, 2010, 02:28:02 PM
You know what would be a great idea? O4Bull found this tip and if it leads to finding Gabriel, O4bull said she wasn't interested in the reward, I think it would be great for the money go to Gabriel to start a college fund for him.


or to buy him some clothes and furniture since his mother destroyed all of his,

yes a college fund would be nice...I could not help but think about her destroying Gabriels belongings ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: cookie on January 14, 2010, 02:28:26 PM
Snipped from a previous article posted

Tammi Smith told the Tribune she thought authorities questioning the corporate headquarters where she is certified from was "ridiculous."

"I have nothing to say about that," Smith said. "That's +++++++. I've never been to the office in San Antonio. I've talked to people there and called them. Nobody from the FBI has called us, yet. This whole thing is ridiculous. I have begged and begged for them to ask us questions - nobody will ask us questions, nobody will come to our home."


Wasn't it said she was set to adopt a child with down syndrome? A child who will undoubtedly be called this horrible and offensive word? A child who will look to his "mother" to dry the tears he will shed because those words used to describe him will cut deep into his heart? A child who will only wish to be accepted and respected for who he is? Is she still going to adopt this child? I certainly hope not. Shameful but I would not expect any less from this woman.

agreed TG...for a grown woman who is a mother to use those words is very immature imo....and that is just being nice....I could be more explicit but I won't ....I can't stand this woman...she lies as much as Elizabeth does...imo...


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 14, 2010, 02:31:17 PM
Stations with streaming capabilities that I have found so far

http://www.kpho.com/live/index.html

http://www.azfamily.com

http://www.abc15.com/content/news/liveshows/liveevents.aspx



Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: klaasend on January 14, 2010, 02:34:08 PM
I can not get to this link from at work.  Can anyone look at this and see if it may be related?

Thanks

The Secret to Scrapbooking during the Holidays « Creating ...Dec 3, 2009 by creatingkeepsakes
As well as Cricut cartridges, Becky Higgins' new Project Life scrapbook kit, and a new lightweight folding table for my scrap work space. Comment by Lesley VW — 12/03/2009 #. New clothes…I lost 50 pounds this year! Comment by Christine H — 12/03/2009 # ...... It took 5 months to find out where she was . . . she is now in Michigan with her dad who is lying and faking who he is (how do some people get away with this) to try and get custody of her. ...
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Hmmm not sure. I can't seem to find this on the site.

Looking at this site, I really don't see anything helpful.  There is a link to the blog on this page.
As to the press release... where will I find it at 2 pm CST?  Anyone know?

Yes, it should be at 12 noon PST, 1pm MST, 2pm CST and 3pm ET

Or in about another 45 minutes  ::MonkeyWink::

Guess I should be more specific... Where will this be aired?

Not sure but I'm assuming in Tempe.  I'll look for a link.  Could be we won't find out what was said until after.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 14, 2010, 02:34:19 PM
Not sure if this video has been posted

http://www.azcentral.com/video/61679725001


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Missiontoconvict on January 14, 2010, 02:35:45 PM
Stations with streaming capabilities that I have found so far

http://www.kpho.com/live/index.html

http://www.azfamily.com

http://www.abc15.com/content/news/liveshows/liveevents.aspx


Thank you Northern Rose  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 14, 2010, 02:36:02 PM
<snipped>

Investigators have confirmed that Johnson stayed at two San Antonio hotels. She allegedly told Smith that she only stayed at one hotel. Johnson also allegedly said that she believes there is surveillance video of a couple leaving the hotel with Gabriel.

"I think everybody needs to be looking, because according to Elizabeth, these people were going to try to hide this baby," Smith added. "According to her, they are trying to hide this baby because they believe in a few years, nobody will know who the baby is."

Police told News 4 WOAI that Johnson's claim that a couple is pictured on surveillance video with the child is inaccurate. Investigators have said that Johnson has changed the stories that she is telling people.

http://www.woai.com/news/local/story/Missing-babys-mom-says-she-is-sure-he-is-alive/SB4BqGbAw02X3T5x3nQa8A.cspx


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: bananas on January 14, 2010, 02:36:22 PM
Stations with streaming capabilities that I have found so far

http://www.kpho.com/live/index.html

http://www.azfamily.com

http://www.abc15.com/content/news/liveshows/liveevents.aspx



Northern Rose, thanks for helping an inexperienced monkey.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: darla on January 14, 2010, 02:41:17 PM
I would truly love to B*tch slap that Tammi just one good smack.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 14, 2010, 02:41:24 PM
Stations with streaming capabilities that I have found so far

http://www.kpho.com/live/index.html

http://www.azfamily.com

http://www.abc15.com/content/news/liveshows/liveevents.aspx



You are welcome, however last presser none of them streamed it or posted the raw video.  I am hoping that one of them picks up todays.

Northern Rose, thanks for helping an inexperienced monkey.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 14, 2010, 02:42:30 PM
Stations with streaming capabilities that I have found so far

http://www.kpho.com/live/index.html

http://www.azfamily.com

http://www.abc15.com/content/news/liveshows/liveevents.aspx




Thanks Northern Rose.

15 minutes to go.

(http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j120/Bearlyhere/dancinggrandma.gif)

Bearlyhere


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: bananas on January 14, 2010, 02:42:45 PM
Stations with streaming capabilities that I have found so far

http://www.kpho.com/live/index.html

http://www.azfamily.com

http://www.abc15.com/content/news/liveshows/liveevents.aspx



You are welcome, however last presser none of them streamed it or posted the raw video.  I am hoping that one of them picks up todays.

Northern Rose, thanks for helping an inexperienced monkey.
All we can do is hope and check them.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: mymonkey on January 14, 2010, 02:46:31 PM
I would truly love to B*tch slap that Tammi just one good smack.

Can I help I help ::MonkeyDevil::she really has a maturity  issue...she does look older than she is, time has not been on her side.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 14, 2010, 02:50:28 PM
FB

Poster

If these ppl have gabriel and they are not good enuff to come forward how do we know they are good for gabriel to be around? OMG this crazy Elizabeth girl needs to come off something....for gabriels sake.....the media said she had money on her when arrested. how much money? is it possible she sold gabriel to some type ...of child slavery organization. Those do exist. ppl will sell children to them which then get shipped over seas and sold off.....please lord help this child come home safe

Tammi Peters Smith

NO, she only had $500.00 on her! We believe these people may live on a farm or something, since they told her that nobody would be able to recognize him in a few years!
21 minutes ago   ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 14, 2010, 02:51:54 PM
Thanks Klaas.

Would you please delete MY edited post.

Thanks

Janet


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: bananas on January 14, 2010, 02:52:57 PM
FB

Poster

If these ppl have gabriel and they are not good enuff to come forward how do we know they are good for gabriel to be around? OMG this crazy Elizabeth girl needs to come off something....for gabriels sake.....the media said she had money on her when arrested. how much money? is it possible she sold gabriel to some type ...of child slavery organization. Those do exist. ppl will sell children to them which then get shipped over seas and sold off.....please lord help this child come home safe

Tammi Peters Smith

NO, she only had $500.00 on her! We believe these people may live on a farm or something, since they told her that nobody would be able to recognize him in a few years!
21 minutes ago   ::MonkeyConfused::

Living on a farm will make him unrecognizable... WTH?  Are they living like cavemen?


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: no rose colored glasses on January 14, 2010, 02:54:10 PM
FB

Poster

If these ppl have gabriel and they are not good enuff to come forward how do we know they are good for gabriel to be around? OMG this crazy Elizabeth girl needs to come off something....for gabriels sake.....the media said she had money on her when arrested. how much money? is it possible she sold gabriel to some type ...of child slavery organization. Those do exist. ppl will sell children to them which then get shipped over seas and sold off.....please lord help this child come home safe

Tammi Peters Smith

NO, she only had $500.00 on her! We believe these people may live on a farm or something, since they told her that nobody would be able to recognize him in a few years!
21 minutes ago   ::MonkeyConfused::
  ::MonkeyEek::Because they live on a farm, like living on a farm you don't come into contact with other people?


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: klaasend on January 14, 2010, 02:54:28 PM
I'm beginning to believe that Tammi Fay has about as much sense as Joy Wray. 


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: no rose colored glasses on January 14, 2010, 02:56:19 PM
I'm beginning to believe that Tammi Fay has about as much sense as Joy Wray. 
Yes, and I wonder if she has ever been Baker Acted.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: bananas on January 14, 2010, 02:59:09 PM
I'm beginning to believe that Tammi Fay has about as much sense as Joy Wray. 
Yes, and I wonder if she has ever been Baker Acted.

Please tell a dumb monkey... what is BAKER ACTED?


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: darla on January 14, 2010, 02:59:14 PM
I'm beginning to believe that Tammi Fay has about as much sense as Joy Wray. 
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 ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: I made the same comparison a couple of days ago! ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: mymonkey on January 14, 2010, 03:00:40 PM
I'm beginning to believe that Tammi Fay has about as much sense as Joy Wray. 
Yes, and I wonder if she has ever been Baker Acted.

I wonder if she owns a crack pipe ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: darla on January 14, 2010, 03:00:42 PM
I'm beginning to believe that Tammi Fay has about as much sense as Joy Wray. 
Yes, and I wonder if she has ever been Baker Acted.

Please tell a dumb monkey... what is BAKER ACTED?


It is when the cops take you in for mental evaluation. Most times you are kept for 72 hrs and if deemed necessary you can be kept longer


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: no rose colored glasses on January 14, 2010, 03:02:18 PM
I'm beginning to believe that Tammi Fay has about as much sense as Joy Wray. 
Yes, and I wonder if she has ever been Baker Acted.

Please tell a dumb monkey... what is BAKER ACTED?
The Baker Act allows for involuntary examination (what some call emergency or involuntary commitment). It can be initiated by judges, law enforcement officials, physicians or mental health professionals. There must be evidence that the person

    * a) has a mental illness (as defined in the Baker Act) and
    * b) is a harm to self, harm to others, or self neglectful (as defined in the Baker Act).
But I don't know what it is called in Arizona


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: darla on January 14, 2010, 03:03:50 PM
KPHO is carrying the press conference. They are geting set up.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: no rose colored glasses on January 14, 2010, 03:04:08 PM

Originally Posted by January. View Post
I called ABC15 to ask about the presser and the lady acted like I just asked her if pigs could fly. She said there was just a news briefing scheduled, and it had been cancelled for the day. Why did they report a press conference then??   From Websleuths


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: darla on January 14, 2010, 03:04:32 PM
Never mind it is about Haiti


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: no rose colored glasses on January 14, 2010, 03:04:56 PM
KPHO is carrying the press conference. They are geting set up.
Well so they are having one? I'm so confused, but good they are having one.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: bananas on January 14, 2010, 03:06:17 PM
I'm beginning to believe that Tammi Fay has about as much sense as Joy Wray. 
Yes, and I wonder if she has ever been Baker Acted.

Please tell a dumb monkey... what is BAKER ACTED?


It is when the cops take you in for mental evaluation. Most times you are kept for 72 hrs and if deemed necessary you can be kept longer

OIC, thanks Darla.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: bananas on January 14, 2010, 03:07:21 PM
no, what I see is a conference about the US aid to Haiti


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: darla on January 14, 2010, 03:12:23 PM
Sorry I jumped the gun on the presser.

Please keep those poor souls in Haiti in prayer. It is just horrible. Death toll could reach 50,000 . Gov. having a hard time getting supplies.into Haiti. Medical workers do not even have aspirin at times.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: no rose colored glasses on January 14, 2010, 03:14:11 PM
Sorry I jumped the gun on the presser.

Please keep those poor souls in Haiti in prayer. It is just horrible. Death toll could reach 50,000 . Gov. having a hard time getting supplies.into Haiti. Medical workers do not even have aspirin at times.
  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: darla on January 14, 2010, 03:15:22 PM
KPHO is carrying the press conference. They are geting set up.
Well so they are having one? I'm so confused, but good they are having one.





No I don't think anyone is carrying it about Gabriel. The one on KPHO is about aid to Haiti. They are trying to get the airfield open so they can use it. The port is unusable.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: no rose colored glasses on January 14, 2010, 03:19:08 PM
KPHO is carrying the press conference. They are geting set up.
Well so they are having one? I'm so confused, but good they are having one.





No I don't think anyone is carrying it about Gabriel. The one on KPHO is about aid to Haiti. They are trying to get the airfield open so they can use it. The port is unusable.
Thank-you


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: darla on January 14, 2010, 03:22:25 PM
KPHO is carrying the press conference. They are geting set up.
Well so they are having one? I'm so confused, but good they are having one.





No I don't think anyone is carrying it about Gabriel. The one on KPHO is about aid to Haiti. They are trying to get the airfield open so they can use it. The port is unusable.
Thank-you





You are welcome. I have been on the go so much and so involved in Gabriel that I haven't stopped to listen to just how critical the situation is in Haiti.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: darla on January 14, 2010, 03:47:17 PM
Ok, Just got off the phone with Pat McReynolds from KPHO in Tempe. He wants to pass on a big Thank You to 04Bull and the Scared Monkeys for the Tip last night. This is what he has told me. He turned the tip straight in to Tempe Police . It was the first they had heard it and they Know that it came from SM. They now have Beth's name and address in Wisconsin . There will be a search there. not sure if it has already happened or not.

Elizabeth's grandfather and brother went to the jail to visit and they turned them away saying she could have no visitors.
Tammi has an appointment to speak with the police at 2 pm today.

Pat said any tip no mater how small to call it in to him and he would get it to the Tempe Police. I have his cell number.
He said to keep up the great work.



Klaas he was asking me about how SM got started and how many members we had . I told him I wasn't sure but I would find out. I have his email if you or Red would like to send the info to him.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 14, 2010, 03:55:28 PM
Ok, Just got off the phone with Pat McReynolds from KPHO in Tempe. He wants to pass on a big Thank You to 04Bull and the Scared Monkeys for the Tip last night. This is what he has told me. He turned the tip straight in to Tempe Police . It was the first they had heard it and they Know that it came from SM. They now have Beth's name and address in Wisconsin . There will be a search there. not sure if it has already happened or not.

Elizabeth's grandfather and brother went to the jail to visit and they turned them away saying she could have no visitors.
Tammi has an appointment to speak with the police at 2 pm today.

Pat said any tip no mater how small to call it in to him and he would get it to the Tempe Police. I have his cell number.
He said to keep up the great work.



Klaas he was asking me about how SM got started and how many members we had . I told him I wasn't sure but I would find out. I have his email if you or Red would like to send the info to him.


BBM.   What an amazing group to be a member of!  To Red and Klaas and the Mods, thank you for this site and all the work you do.


I think we need a rhino butt themed smiley

     ::MonkeyAngel::    ::MonkeyAngel::     ::MonkeyAngel::      ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: no rose colored glasses on January 14, 2010, 03:58:50 PM
Ok, Just got off the phone with Pat McReynolds from KPHO in Tempe. He wants to pass on a big Thank You to 04Bull and the Scared Monkeys for the Tip last night. This is what he has told me. He turned the tip straight in to Tempe Police . It was the first they had heard it and they Know that it came from SM. They now have Beth's name and address in Wisconsin . There will be a search there. not sure if it has already happened or not.

Elizabeth's grandfather and brother went to the jail to visit and they turned them away saying she could have no visitors.
Tammi has an appointment to speak with the police at 2 pm today.

Pat said any tip no mater how small to call it in to him and he would get it to the Tempe Police. I have his cell number.
He said to keep up the great work.



Klaas he was asking me about how SM got started and how many members we had . I told him I wasn't sure but I would find out. I have his email if  you or Red would like to send the info to him.

Thank-you so much Darla  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: no rose colored glasses on January 14, 2010, 03:59:26 PM
Ok, Just got off the phone with Pat McReynolds from KPHO in Tempe. He wants to pass on a big Thank You to 04Bull and the Scared Monkeys for the Tip last night. This is what he has told me. He turned the tip straight in to Tempe Police . It was the first they had heard it and they Know that it came from SM. They now have Beth's name and address in Wisconsin . There will be a search there. not sure if it has already happened or not.

Elizabeth's grandfather and brother went to the jail to visit and they turned them away saying she could have no visitors.
Tammi has an appointment to speak with the police at 2 pm today.

Pat said any tip no mater how small to call it in to him and he would get it to the Tempe Police. I have his cell number.
He said to keep up the great work.



Klaas he was asking me about how SM got started and how many members we had . I told him I wasn't sure but I would find out. I have his email if you or Red would like to send the info to him.


BBM.   What an amazing group to be a member of!  To Red and Klaas and the Mods, thank you for this site and all the work you do.


I think we need a rhino butt themed smiley

     ::MonkeyAngel::    ::MonkeyAngel::     ::MonkeyAngel::      ::MonkeyAngel::
  ::MonkeyCool::  ::MonkeyDance:: What a great idea


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: O4Bull on January 14, 2010, 04:00:37 PM
Ok, Just got off the phone with Pat McReynolds from KPHO in Tempe. He wants to pass on a big Thank You to 04Bull and the Scared Monkeys for the Tip last night. This is what he has told me. He turned the tip straight in to Tempe Police . It was the first they had heard it and they Know that it came from SM. They now have Beth's name and address in Wisconsin . There will be a search there. not sure if it has already happened or not.

Elizabeth's grandfather and brother went to the jail to visit and they turned them away saying she could have no visitors.
Tammi has an appointment to speak with the police at 2 pm today.

Pat said any tip no mater how small to call it in to him and he would get it to the Tempe Police. I have his cell number.
He said to keep up the great work.



Klaas he was asking me about how SM got started and how many members we had . I told him I wasn't sure but I would find out. I have his email if you or Red would like to send the info to him.


BBM.   What an amazing group to be a member of!  To Red and Klaas and the Mods, thank you for this site and all the work you do.


I think we need a rhino butt themed smiley

     ::MonkeyAngel::    ::MonkeyAngel::     ::MonkeyAngel::      ::MonkeyAngel::
  ::MonkeyCool::  ::MonkeyDance:: What a great idea
::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::  ::MonkeyJnBox::
you monkeys kill me


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: darla on January 14, 2010, 04:01:36 PM
Don't it make you proud to be a ScaredMonkey? I am so glad to be a member here!


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: O4Bull on January 14, 2010, 04:05:21 PM
I woke up this morning and checked WS to see if our discovery had made it's way over there.  Sure enough, it had.  It was funny  because whomever posted it there did not give SM credit even though they said they found it elsewhere.  I just thought maybe it was one of the monkeys.  It was not me, as I am registered there, but rarely ever post.  This is my home.  ::MonkeyAngel::

I left right after I read over there this morning and this is the first chance I've had to check in today.





Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 14, 2010, 04:16:42 PM
I woke up this morning and checked WS to see if our discovery had made it's way over there.  Sure enough, it had.  It was funny  because whomever posted it there did not give SM credit even though they said they found it elsewhere.  I just thought maybe it was one of the monkeys.  It was not me, as I am registered there, but rarely ever post.  This is my home.  ::MonkeyAngel::

I left right after I read over there this morning and this is the first chance I've had to check in today.



04Bull

Catching up of the happenings in the Monkey cage this morning encompassing your yesterday's Gabriel post is definitely where it is at.

 ::MonkeyShocked::

Janet
 



Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: no rose colored glasses on January 14, 2010, 04:26:36 PM
I woke up this morning and checked WS to see if our discovery had made it's way over there.  Sure enough, it had.  It was funny  because whomever posted it there did not give SM credit even though they said they found it elsewhere.  I just thought maybe it was one of the monkeys.  It was not me, as I am registered there, but rarely ever post.  This is my home.  ::MonkeyAngel::

I left right after I read over there this morning and this is the first chance I've had to check in today.




There was no credit at all, and still isn't  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 14, 2010, 04:26:45 PM
04Bull

It all starts here ....

+++++++

I was gone for a while and this may have already been posted:

http://www.abc15.com/content/news/blogs/story/New-lead-in-Baby-Gabriels-Arizona-disappearance/kMzdZQEON0ORawoDI8UUdg.cspx


New lead in Baby Gabriel's Arizona disappearance?
   Reported by: Chris Kline
Email: ckline@abc15.com
Last Update: 10:26 am


PHOENIX - A blog entry from early January is sparking some interest in the case of a missing Arizona infant.

Eight-month-old Gabriel was last seen on December 26 in San Antonio, Texas.

Investigators say his mother, 23-year-old Elizabeth Johnson, drove there from her home in Tempe, stayed about a week, then took a bus to Florida without Gabriel.

In reply to a web post on BeckyHiggins.com, blogger "Beth" wrote, "I live in WI, but am currently in San Antonio, TX. My husband and I are adopting a handsome baby boy that was placed into our care on January 1. I've decided to make my project life about Baby Gabriel. Even though I won't be home when my project arrives I am clicking away taking his photo here in San Antonio."

The entry is timestamped on January 4th. There's no contact info listed for Beth.


Elizabeth Johnson was arrested on December 30 and returned to Arizona to face kidnapping and child abuse charges.

Her baby is still missing.

A reward of up to $5,000 is being offered for the safe return of Gabriel.

Anyone with information about Gabriel can call Crime Stoppers at 210-224-STOP or online at http://www.sacrimestoppers.com.

A news conference with Tempe Police is scheduled for 1 p.m. today.

Check back for updates.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: no rose colored glasses on January 14, 2010, 04:27:07 PM
Don't it make you proud to be a ScaredMonkey? I am so glad to be a member here!
  ::MonkeyCool::  ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: no rose colored glasses on January 14, 2010, 04:52:15 PM
NG FB

Nancy Grace Breaking: An alleged Texas teen babysitter to little 8-month-old Gabriel Johnson may be the key to finding him. The 18-year-old alleged babysitter says the hotel room in which she watched Gabriel was dirty, with things thrown everywhere, without baby toys, and a knife was next to the bed! She also says that Gabriel w...as thin, dirty, seemed like he was scared and wanted to be held the whole time. Where is Gabriel Johnson? Watch tonight!


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Tracygirl on January 14, 2010, 05:11:35 PM
Ok, Just got off the phone with Pat McReynolds from KPHO in Tempe. He wants to pass on a big Thank You to 04Bull and the Scared Monkeys for the Tip last night. This is what he has told me. He turned the tip straight in to Tempe Police . It was the first they had heard it and they Know that it came from SM. They now have Beth's name and address in Wisconsin . There will be a search there. not sure if it has already happened or not.

Elizabeth's grandfather and brother went to the jail to visit and they turned them away saying she could have no visitors.
Tammi has an appointment to speak with the police at 2 pm today.

Pat said any tip no mater how small to call it in to him and he would get it to the Tempe Police. I have his cell number.
He said to keep up the great work.



Klaas he was asking me about how SM got started and how many members we had . I told him I wasn't sure but I would find out. I have his email if you or Red would like to send the info to him.


 ::MonkeyCheer4:: ::MonkeySlide::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Tracygirl on January 14, 2010, 05:13:18 PM
Ok, Just got off the phone with Pat McReynolds from KPHO in Tempe. He wants to pass on a big Thank You to 04Bull and the Scared Monkeys for the Tip last night. This is what he has told me. He turned the tip straight in to Tempe Police . It was the first they had heard it and they Know that it came from SM. They now have Beth's name and address in Wisconsin . There will be a search there. not sure if it has already happened or not.

Elizabeth's grandfather and brother went to the jail to visit and they turned them away saying she could have no visitors.
Tammi has an appointment to speak with the police at 2 pm today.

Pat said any tip no mater how small to call it in to him and he would get it to the Tempe Police. I have his cell number.
He said to keep up the great work.



Klaas he was asking me about how SM got started and how many members we had . I told him I wasn't sure but I would find out. I have his email if you or Red would like to send the info to him.


BBM.   What an amazing group to be a member of!  To Red and Klaas and the Mods, thank you for this site and all the work you do.


I think we need a rhino butt themed smiley

     ::MonkeyAngel::    ::MonkeyAngel::     ::MonkeyAngel::      ::MonkeyAngel::

Love it!


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Tracygirl on January 14, 2010, 05:19:03 PM
I woke up this morning and checked WS to see if our discovery had made it's way over there.  Sure enough, it had.  It was funny  because whomever posted it there did not give SM credit even though they said they found it elsewhere.  I just thought maybe it was one of the monkeys.  It was not me, as I am registered there, but rarely ever post.  This is my home.  ::MonkeyAngel::

I left right after I read over there this morning and this is the first chance I've had to check in today.




There was no credit at all, and still isn't  ::MonkeyNoNo::

Wonder if they take credit for thinking I was Melissa Huckaby? LOL!  ::MonkeyDevil::

Honestly the people on these boards who want nothing more then to be the star of the show, they lose track of what is important and that is, This it is not now nor will ever be, about them, it is about the innocent life of a human being and the hurting hearts of those left behind. 


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: SuzieQ on January 14, 2010, 05:26:44 PM
There must be something in the water in Arizona.


Arizona woman accused of trading child for gun
Associated Press,
4 hours ago


 PHOENIX – Authorities say they have arrested a Mesa woman who allegedly tried to trade her 2-year-old daughter for a gun.

Maricopa County Sheriff's deputies went to the home of 33-year-old Tanya Nareau on Tuesday after receiving a tip about the swap.

While at Nareau's home, a family friend who had the child confirmed to deputies that Nareau gave the girl to him for a gun.

Deputies say Nareau felt that the friend would do a better job in raising the child. They say Nareau also claimed she could not buy a weapon because she's prohibited to do so by law.

Authorities say Nareau has been booked into county jail. She's charged with the unlawful sale of a child and solicitation to possess a weapon by a prohibited person.

It was unclear whether Nareau had a lawyer.

Edit by MB
Link here at Scared Monkeys in our Crimes Against Children, Elderly and Disabled Forum, in case you'd like to comment or contribute to the thread:
Arizona woman Tanya Nareau traded 2 year old for a gun

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=6935.0


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: seahorse on January 14, 2010, 05:28:09 PM
I woke up this morning and checked WS to see if our discovery had made it's way over there.  Sure enough, it had.  It was funny  because whomever posted it there did not give SM credit even though they said they found it elsewhere.  I just thought maybe it was one of the monkeys.  It was not me, as I am registered there, but rarely ever post.  This is my home.  ::MonkeyAngel::

I left right after I read over there this morning and this is the first chance I've had to check in today.




There was no credit at all, and still isn't  ::MonkeyNoNo::

Perhaps it was a WS Spy!  I'm not a member there...more like the KGB from what I have read on their forum.
Scared Monkey's allows sweet freedom of thought...I appreiciate that SC has zero tolerance for beasty behavior,
yet, we can still grow and still have fun:)


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: klaasend on January 14, 2010, 05:41:04 PM
Ok, Just got off the phone with Pat McReynolds from KPHO in Tempe. He wants to pass on a big Thank You to 04Bull and the Scared Monkeys for the Tip last night. This is what he has told me. He turned the tip straight in to Tempe Police . It was the first they had heard it and they Know that it came from SM. They now have Beth's name and address in Wisconsin . There will be a search there. not sure if it has already happened or not.

Elizabeth's grandfather and brother went to the jail to visit and they turned them away saying she could have no visitors.
Tammi has an appointment to speak with the police at 2 pm today.

Pat said any tip no mater how small to call it in to him and he would get it to the Tempe Police. I have his cell number.
He said to keep up the great work.



Klaas he was asking me about how SM got started and how many members we had . I told him I wasn't sure but I would find out. I have his email if you or Red would like to send the info to him.


Excellent news Darla!  I'll see if I can get Red to give me all the info on how SM started.  I pretty much know but it's better coming from Red.

Ii was gone for a while and just got back so that's why I'm answering so late.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: mymonkey on January 14, 2010, 05:41:43 PM
Don't it make you proud to be a ScaredMonkey? I am so glad to be a member here!

I am proud to be an American and a SM.. ::MonkeyKiss::


Thank you to all that have given their time and and their heart and soul into all the cases ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: klaasend on January 14, 2010, 05:41:58 PM
Ok, Just got off the phone with Pat McReynolds from KPHO in Tempe. He wants to pass on a big Thank You to 04Bull and the Scared Monkeys for the Tip last night. This is what he has told me. He turned the tip straight in to Tempe Police . It was the first they had heard it and they Know that it came from SM. They now have Beth's name and address in Wisconsin . There will be a search there. not sure if it has already happened or not.

Elizabeth's grandfather and brother went to the jail to visit and they turned them away saying she could have no visitors.
Tammi has an appointment to speak with the police at 2 pm today.

Pat said any tip no mater how small to call it in to him and he would get it to the Tempe Police. I have his cell number.
He said to keep up the great work.



Klaas he was asking me about how SM got started and how many members we had . I told him I wasn't sure but I would find out. I have his email if you or Red would like to send the info to him.


BBM.   What an amazing group to be a member of!  To Red and Klaas and the Mods, thank you for this site and all the work you do.


I think we need a rhino butt themed smiley

     ::MonkeyAngel::    ::MonkeyAngel::     ::MonkeyAngel::      ::MonkeyAngel::

As you can see I'm still catching up!  Rhino butt themed smiley?  I'll see what I can do, lolol  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: mymonkey on January 14, 2010, 05:44:44 PM
NG FB

Nancy Grace Breaking: An alleged Texas teen babysitter to little 8-month-old Gabriel Johnson may be the key to finding him. The 18-year-old alleged babysitter says the hotel room in which she watched Gabriel was dirty, with things thrown everywhere, without baby toys, and a knife was next to the bed! She also says that Gabriel w...as thin, dirty, seemed like he was scared and wanted to be held the whole time. Where is Gabriel Johnson? Watch tonight!
::MonkeyTears:: ::MonkeyTears:: ::MonkeyTears:: My heart breaks for Gabriel


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: leslee on January 14, 2010, 05:48:02 PM
I woke up this morning and checked WS to see if our discovery had made it's way over there.  Sure enough, it had.  It was funny  because whomever posted it there did not give SM credit even though they said they found it elsewhere.  I just thought maybe it was one of the monkeys.  It was not me, as I am registered there, but rarely ever post.  This is my home.  ::MonkeyAngel::

I left right after I read over there this morning and this is the first chance I've had to check in today.




There was no credit at all, and still isn't  ::MonkeyNoNo::

Perhaps it was a WS Spy!  I'm not a member there...more like the KGB from what I have read on their forum.
Scared Monkey's allows sweet freedom of thought...I appreiciate that SC has zero tolerance for beasty behavior,
yet, we can still grow and still have fun:)

O4Bull that was an awesome find! I really hope it leads to finding Gabriel. It definitely was too strong a coincidence not to act upon and I congratulate all monkeys who brought it to the authorities attention! I am a member also of JQ and there you did recieve all credit for finding that. I think because WS is so quick to take credit for anything they find they should be quick to give credit where it is due.... apparently not which is unfortunate but that doesn't diminish the fact that SM ROCKS ::MonkeyCheer4:: ::MonkeyCheer4::   The poor soul who posted your find over there was probably too afraid to admit she reads/posts over here for fear of being banned, it's not like it hasn't happened before ::MonkeyShocked::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Tracygirl on January 14, 2010, 05:56:23 PM
NG FB

Nancy Grace Breaking: An alleged Texas teen babysitter to little 8-month-old Gabriel Johnson may be the key to finding him. The 18-year-old alleged babysitter says the hotel room in which she watched Gabriel was dirty, with things thrown everywhere, without baby toys, and a knife was next to the bed! She also says that Gabriel w...as thin, dirty, seemed like he was scared and wanted to be held the whole time. Where is Gabriel Johnson? Watch tonight!

Poor little boy, his first christmas doesn't seem to have been a very happy one. I wish this young woman called authorities, seems like there are a few missed opportunities to help this little guy.



Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Missiontoconvict on January 14, 2010, 05:56:41 PM
Ok, Just got off the phone with Pat McReynolds from KPHO in Tempe. He wants to pass on a big Thank You to 04Bull and the Scared Monkeys for the Tip last night. This is what he has told me. He turned the tip straight in to Tempe Police . It was the first they had heard it and they Know that it came from SM. They now have Beth's name and address in Wisconsin . There will be a search there. not sure if it has already happened or not.

Elizabeth's grandfather and brother went to the jail to visit and they turned them away saying she could have no visitors.
Tammi has an appointment to speak with the police at 2 pm today.

Pat said any tip no mater how small to call it in to him and he would get it to the Tempe Police. I have his cell number.
He said to keep up the great work.



Klaas he was asking me about how SM got started and how many members we had . I told him I wasn't sure but I would find out. I have his email if you or Red would like to send the info to him.

Wow thanks Darla for the information.  Would love to know where in Wisconsin. 


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: klaasend on January 14, 2010, 06:00:24 PM
New emoticon in honor of O4Bull  ::MonkeyHaHa::

 ::rhino::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 14, 2010, 06:02:40 PM
Tammi has been awfully quiet today.  Wonder if LE found some duct tape to use on her so they can concentrate on the investigation rather than having to react to what comes out of her mouth next?

::rhino::   ::rhino::    ::rhino::    ::rhino::    ::rhino::    ::rhino::    ::rhino::    ::rhino::    ::rhino::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: MuffyBee on January 14, 2010, 06:03:26 PM
New emoticon in honor of O4Bull  ::MonkeyHaHa::

 ::rhino::


 ::MonkeyCheer3::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 14, 2010, 06:05:19 PM
Oh Carp!  I typed too soon, Jack is called into HLN right now.

Tammi is talking to detectives right now

for POI they don't seem too interested with us, day 15 and they won;t talk to us

Did not ask Tammi about the interview with EJ as wanted to respect her feelings


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 14, 2010, 06:07:32 PM
Tammi met EJ in Indianopolis airport on layover.  Jack was not there by the sounds of

Walked up to her as she was crying, asked if she was lost (WTF!)

Tammi wrote her a note and gave it to her that if she really wanted to give Gabriel for adoption to call her



Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: darla on January 14, 2010, 06:07:41 PM
Can we find out who this teenager is?


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 14, 2010, 06:10:16 PM
Can we find out who this teenager is?

Wonder if NG will have her on tonight?


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: darla on January 14, 2010, 06:15:25 PM
I just found out Tammi is still in with police after 2 hours


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 14, 2010, 06:18:25 PM
Other thing Jack said was after Tammi met EJ in the airport their phone rang 7 months later, it was EJ asking if they were ready to adopt. They went to EJ's trailer, talked to her for 4-5 hours and drove off with a baby

When asked if there was a adoption agency involved Jack said there was going to be, they got EJ to sign Temporary Guardianship so they could take him the the Dr if they needed to , in  the state of AZ you need to be certified as capable of adoption so they knew it would be 2-3 months to be able to find if they could and find out if EJ really wanted to give Gabriel up for adoption. 


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: darla on January 14, 2010, 06:31:45 PM
That is a whole new story isn't it. One time they say Boston, then in another state.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: klaasend on January 14, 2010, 06:33:05 PM
I just found out Tammi is still in with police after 2 hours

Good!  I hope she's talking and this time truthfully.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: cartfly on January 14, 2010, 06:37:33 PM
Ok, Just got off the phone with Pat McReynolds from KPHO in Tempe. He wants to pass on a big Thank You to 04Bull and the Scared Monkeys for the Tip last night. This is what he has told me. He turned the tip straight in to Tempe Police . It was the first they had heard it and they Know that it came from SM. They now have Beth's name and address in Wisconsin . There will be a search there. not sure if it has already happened or not.

Elizabeth's grandfather and brother went to the jail to visit and they turned them away saying she could have no visitors.
Tammi has an appointment to speak with the police at 2 pm today.

Pat said any tip no mater how small to call it in to him and he would get it to the Tempe Police. I have his cell number.
He said to keep up the great work.



Klaas he was asking me about how SM got started and how many members we had . I told him I wasn't sure but I would find out. I have his email if you or Red would like to send the info to him.


I am a little late coming to the party, still catching up but
Kudos to O4Bull, Darla, Klassend, Northern Rose, No Rose and all the other monkeys (sorry so many to list) for your dedication and time you put in to this cause!!! I am so proud to be a monkey and it warms my heart and renews my faith in the human race to be around such caring and smart monkeys!! ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::

O4Bull.....You just go girl with your sexy self!! ::rhino:: ::rhino:: ::rhino:: ::rhino:: ::rhino:: ::MonkeySlide::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: no rose colored glasses on January 14, 2010, 06:47:17 PM
NG FB

Nancy Grace Breaking: An alleged Texas teen babysitter to little 8-month-old Gabriel Johnson may be the key to finding him. The 18-year-old alleged babysitter says the hotel room in which she watched Gabriel was dirty, with things thrown everywhere, without baby toys, and a knife was next to the bed! She also says that Gabriel w...as thin, dirty, seemed like he was scared and wanted to be held the whole time. Where is Gabriel Johnson? Watch tonight!

Poor little boy, his first christmas doesn't seem to have been a very happy one. I wish this young woman called authorities, seems like there are a few missed opportunities to help this little guy.


Speaking of Christmas, that has been in the back of my mind, did she have anyone there to celebrate Christmas with, did she just not bother? Never heard anything about that, I guess not that it matters, but how sad for Gabriel.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: no rose colored glasses on January 14, 2010, 06:48:00 PM
New emoticon in honor of O4Bull  ::MonkeyHaHa::

 ::rhino::
How cute  ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: darla on January 14, 2010, 06:48:24 PM
I just found out Tammi is still in with police after 2 hours

Good!  I hope she's talking and this time truthfully.
[/





Pat called about 6:15 and said he had seen where NG was to have this girl on and could we find out her name? I told him not to get to excited about anything that starts with Breaking News on NG. We usually know it 2 days before NG. lol


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: no rose colored glasses on January 14, 2010, 06:49:50 PM
Oh Carp!  I typed too soon, Jack is called into HLN right now.

Tammi is talking to detectives right now

for POI they don't seem too interested with us, day 15 and they won;t talk to us

Did not ask Tammi about the interview with EJ as wanted to respect her feelings

Did you ever see anyone that wants to talk to the police like these people? Usually most people would not want to or be afraid to, nothing these people do make sense. Are they trying to get the police to believe their bs?


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Tracygirl on January 14, 2010, 06:51:08 PM
Other thing Jack said was after Tammi met EJ in the airport their phone rang 7 months later, it was EJ asking if they were ready to adopt. They went to EJ's trailer, talked to her for 4-5 hours and drove off with a baby

When asked if there was a adoption agency involved Jack said there was going to be, they got EJ to sign Temporary Guardianship so they could take him the the Dr if they needed to , in  the state of AZ you need to be certified as capable of adoption so they knew it would be 2-3 months to be able to find if they could and find out if EJ really wanted to give Gabriel up for adoption. 

Wasn't it said EJ came to them and stayed at their home? Did I read that in the beginning of all of this?


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: SunnyinTX on January 14, 2010, 06:51:24 PM

Evening Monks...finally got caught up in bits and pieces. I sure hope the post O4 found really is Gabriel.....and he can be tracked down and brought home to his father.  ::MonkeyCheer4::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: no rose colored glasses on January 14, 2010, 06:51:47 PM
Tammi met EJ in Indianopolis airport on layover.  Jack was not there by the sounds of

Walked up to her as she was crying, asked if she was lost (WTF!)

Tammi wrote her a note and gave it to her that if she really wanted to give Gabriel for adoption to call her


  ::MonkeyEek:: Is there a disorder that makes a person want kids that bad, they will do anything pretty much to get one? Seriously this sounds like some kind of disorder or something.  ::MonkeyShocked::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Tracygirl on January 14, 2010, 06:52:01 PM
I just found out Tammi is still in with police after 2 hours

Good!  I hope she's talking and this time truthfully.
which version?


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: no rose colored glasses on January 14, 2010, 06:52:14 PM
I just found out Tammi is still in with police after 2 hours
  ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: SunnyinTX on January 14, 2010, 06:52:58 PM
I just found out Tammi is still in with police after 2 hours

Good!  I hope she's talking and this time truthfully.
[/





Pat called about 6:15 and said he had seen where NG was to have this girl on and could we find out her name? I told him not to get to excited about anything that starts with Breaking News on NG. We usually know it 2 days before NG. lol

Go Darla!!!


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Tracygirl on January 14, 2010, 06:58:12 PM
NG FB

Nancy Grace Breaking: An alleged Texas teen babysitter to little 8-month-old Gabriel Johnson may be the key to finding him. The 18-year-old alleged babysitter says the hotel room in which she watched Gabriel was dirty, with things thrown everywhere, without baby toys, and a knife was next to the bed! She also says that Gabriel w...as thin, dirty, seemed like he was scared and wanted to be held the whole time. Where is Gabriel Johnson? Watch tonight!

Poor little boy, his first christmas doesn't seem to have been a very happy one. I wish this young woman called authorities, seems like there are a few missed opportunities to help this little guy.


Speaking of Christmas, that has been in the back of my mind, did she have anyone there to celebrate Christmas with, did she just not bother? Never heard anything about that, I guess not that it matters, but how sad for Gabriel.

I would assume she did nothing for him, no tree, no lights, no presents...It has always broke my heart to think of little kids waking up at christmas to nothing, unless they simply don't celebrate of course. This was his first one, he is just a baby. I remember my babies at christmas, they loved looking at the lights and ripping the paper or better yet, playing with the boxes! They sort of looked like this  ::MonkeyDance:: Sounds to me like Baby Gabriel cried all day, was most likely hungry and he needed to be cared for.  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Tracygirl on January 14, 2010, 07:00:18 PM
Oh Carp!  I typed too soon, Jack is called into HLN right now.

Tammi is talking to detectives right now

for POI they don't seem too interested with us, day 15 and they won;t talk to us

Did not ask Tammi about the interview with EJ as wanted to respect her feelings

Did you ever see anyone that wants to talk to the police like these people? Usually most people would not want to or be afraid to, nothing these people do make sense. Are they trying to get the police to believe their bs?

Yep I think they are.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: no rose colored glasses on January 14, 2010, 07:01:59 PM
NG FB

Nancy Grace Breaking: An alleged Texas teen babysitter to little 8-month-old Gabriel Johnson may be the key to finding him. The 18-year-old alleged babysitter says the hotel room in which she watched Gabriel was dirty, with things thrown everywhere, without baby toys, and a knife was next to the bed! She also says that Gabriel w...as thin, dirty, seemed like he was scared and wanted to be held the whole time. Where is Gabriel Johnson? Watch tonight!

Poor little boy, his first christmas doesn't seem to have been a very happy one. I wish this young woman called authorities, seems like there are a few missed opportunities to help this little guy.


Speaking of Christmas, that has been in the back of my mind, did she have anyone there to celebrate Christmas with, did she just not bother? Never heard anything about that, I guess not that it matters, but how sad for Gabriel.

I would assume she did nothing for him, no tree, no lights, no presents...It has always broke my heart to think of little kids waking up at christmas to nothing, unless they simply don't celebrate of course. This was his first one, he is just a baby. I remember my babies at christmas, they loved looking at the lights and ripping the paper or better yet, playing with the boxes! They sort of looked like this  ::MonkeyDance:: Sounds to me like Baby Gabriel cried all day, was most likely hungry and he needed to be cared for.  ::MonkeyNoNo::
I know my kids were like that also, oh the excitement, how horribly sad that Gabriel didn't have that. And I don't understand Elizabeth's grandfather, some of the statements he has made, you would think he would have put in a little bit of interest, and tried to help her. It sounds like he just doesn't care, or maybe just sick of trying to help  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Tracygirl on January 14, 2010, 07:05:16 PM
I wonder why he didn't alert the father when she took off saying she was going to change her name and such. He allowed her to borrow the car even? That is one point I just don't understand.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: bananas on January 14, 2010, 07:05:46 PM
NG FB

Nancy Grace Breaking: An alleged Texas teen babysitter to little 8-month-old Gabriel Johnson may be the key to finding him. The 18-year-old alleged babysitter says the hotel room in which she watched Gabriel was dirty, with things thrown everywhere, without baby toys, and a knife was next to the bed! She also says that Gabriel w...as thin, dirty, seemed like he was scared and wanted to be held the whole time. Where is Gabriel Johnson? Watch tonight!

Poor little boy, his first christmas doesn't seem to have been a very happy one. I wish this young woman called authorities, seems like there are a few missed opportunities to help this little guy.


Speaking of Christmas, that has been in the back of my mind, did she have anyone there to celebrate Christmas with, did she just not bother? Never heard anything about that, I guess not that it matters, but how sad for Gabriel.

I would assume she did nothing for him, no tree, no lights, no presents...It has always broke my heart to think of little kids waking up at christmas to nothing, unless they simply don't celebrate of course. This was his first one, he is just a baby. I remember my babies at christmas, they loved looking at the lights and ripping the paper or better yet, playing with the boxes! They sort of looked like this  ::MonkeyDance:: Sounds to me like Baby Gabriel cried all day, was most likely hungry and he needed to be cared for.  ::MonkeyNoNo::
I know my kids were like that also, oh the excitement, how horribly sad that Gabriel didn't have that. And I don't understand Elizabeth's grandfather, some of the statements he has made, you would think he would have put in a little bit of interest, and tried to help her. It sounds like he just doesn't care, or maybe just sick of trying to help  ::MonkeyNoNo::

This makes my heart feel really sad.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: darla on January 14, 2010, 07:15:00 PM
You know I have heard two versions of the car owner. I have seen it listed as her car, then on another article it says it was grandpa's car. Wish Jessstar would come home, She can check DMV records 


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: darla on January 14, 2010, 07:20:03 PM
You know I have heard two versions of the car owner. I have seen it listed as her car, then on another article it says it was grandpa's car. Wish Jessstar would come on, She can check DMV records 
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Home was suppose to be on


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: darla on January 14, 2010, 07:53:32 PM
Can any of you Monkeys get NG at 8PM Eastern time? If so will you update as it happens?


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 14, 2010, 07:54:27 PM
More clues into Baby Gabriel's whereabouts   (with video)

http://www.kens5.com/news/More-clues-into-Baby-Gabriels-whereabouts-81582577.html


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 14, 2010, 07:55:30 PM
Can any of you Monkeys get NG at 8PM Eastern time? If so will you update as it happens?

Yup, there is usually a play by play posted.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 14, 2010, 07:56:26 PM
FB

Nancy Grace Nancy Grace Primetime Exclusive Tonight: Baby Gabriel’s alleged babysitter breaks her silence – gives exclusive insider details about what she says happened in the hotel room with the missing infant & his mom!


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: klaasend on January 14, 2010, 07:58:40 PM
More clues into Baby Gabriel's whereabouts   (with video)

http://www.kens5.com/news/More-clues-into-Baby-Gabriels-whereabouts-81582577.html

(snipped)
A blog comment on a scrapbooking website is also being investigated by Tempe, AZ authorities. Whoever wrote the entry says they are from Wisconsin but are currently in San Antonio where they adopted a young boy named Gabriel on January 4th.
(snipped)

Actually they took custody of Gabriel on 1/1/10 and Beth posted on the blog on 1/4/10.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 14, 2010, 07:59:03 PM
I am thinking Tammi is still with LE or doing her nightly NG spot.  She has not added any new friends to FB in over 4 hours.  The LE visit is really crimping her FB time. 


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: klaasend on January 14, 2010, 07:59:40 PM
FB

Nancy Grace Nancy Grace Primetime Exclusive Tonight: Baby Gabriel’s alleged babysitter breaks her silence – gives exclusive insider details about what she says happened in the hotel room with the missing infant & his mom!

I'm wondering if the $5000 reward is making this girl come forward (truth or not)


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: darla on January 14, 2010, 08:01:41 PM
I am wondering if she has talked to the FBI or if this is just some more of Ng's BS


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: O4Bull on January 14, 2010, 08:01:44 PM
::rhino::  ::rhino::  ::rhino::  ::rhino::  ::rhino::  ::rhino::  ::rhino::  ::rhino::  ::rhino::

Woot Woot!  My own smilie?  Thanks Klaas

I think I have a pinched nerve in my back.  OH MY GOSH does anyone know how much that hurts?  I don't remember doing anything to cause it this morning and I've been nearly immobilized all day.

 ::rhino:: O4Bull

 


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: darla on January 14, 2010, 08:03:51 PM
Maybe her nappy butt is in jail right about now. Hey I can dream can't I?


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 14, 2010, 08:04:14 PM
NG is on


Mystery woman emerges who turns out to be the babysitter that EJ hired

Gabriel was thin, dirty and frightened.  Mom doped Gabriel up on Tylenol

told babysitter she was going to an appointment but babysitter says EJ goes out dressed for clubbing

Confirmed there is no video of couple with Gabriel who adopted him



Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: darla on January 14, 2010, 08:04:59 PM
::rhino::  ::rhino::  ::rhino::  ::rhino::  ::rhino::  ::rhino::  ::rhino::  ::rhino::  ::rhino::

Woot Woot!  My own smilie?  Thanks Klaas

I think I have a pinched nerve in my back.  OH MY GOSH does anyone know how much that hurts?  I don't remember doing anything to cause it this morning and I've been nearly immobilized all day.

 ::rhino:: O4Bull

 



Yep I do....it hurts worse than labor pains.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: no rose colored glasses on January 14, 2010, 08:06:27 PM
::rhino::  ::rhino::  ::rhino::  ::rhino::  ::rhino::  ::rhino::  ::rhino::  ::rhino::  ::rhino::

Woot Woot!  My own smilie?  Thanks Klaas

I think I have a pinched nerve in my back.  OH MY GOSH does anyone know how much that hurts?  I don't remember doing anything to cause it this morning and I've been nearly immobilized all day.

 ::rhino:: O4Bull

 
Oh know, my prayers  ::MonkeyAngel:: Yes I do know the pain, and everytime I don't do anything for it too hurt like that.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 14, 2010, 08:10:37 PM
More clues into Baby Gabriel's whereabouts   (with video)

http://www.kens5.com/news/More-clues-into-Baby-Gabriels-whereabouts-81582577.html

(snipped)
A blog comment on a scrapbooking website is also being investigated by Tempe, AZ authorities. Whoever wrote the entry says they are from Wisconsin but are currently in San Antonio where they adopted a young boy named Gabriel on January 4th.
(snipped)

Actually they took custody of Gabriel on 1/1/10 and Beth posted on the blog on 1/4/10.

This tip should be very simple to following up on.  Becky filled a Project Life Kid order for Beth and ... sent that order to Beth's MI residence.  Beth's address should be the catalyst that will allow authorities to determine if Gabriel Johnson is the same baby Gabriel who Beth adopted.

Janet

 

  Authorities should be able to obtain address of this blogger from Becky's site.  A check of the baby Gabriel who Beth and her husband adopted on January 1, 2010 will


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: no rose colored glasses on January 14, 2010, 08:12:35 PM


The babysitter is on now. She says EJ looked very angry, upset, "like she wanted to kill me".     ::MonkeyEek:: Well then why would you hang around and babysit?


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 14, 2010, 08:13:11 PM
EJ is now saying she handed Gabriel inside Motel at Homegate Studio and Suites and signed the papers in that room

Couple knew it was not a legal state adoption

EJ contact  craigslist ad for sitter

EJ looked mad when she opened the door and was holding Gabriel

Told Sitter she was late and told her to feed him in 1 hour , where bottle was and left

EJ told her she had already drugged him up but if he started to crying give him more to shut him up

Gabriel looked scared

Gabriel only wanted to be held

Gabriel had stains around his mouth, dry snotty nose and his clothes were dirty


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: klaasend on January 14, 2010, 08:13:29 PM
Janet - according to the reporter Darla has contacted, Tempe LE does now have the address of Beth in Wisconsin and they are following up. 


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: darla on January 14, 2010, 08:13:52 PM
What is her name or have they told?


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Tracygirl on January 14, 2010, 08:14:45 PM
NG is on


Mystery woman emerges who turns out to be the babysitter that EJ hired

Gabriel was thin, dirty and frightened.  Mom doped Gabriel up on Tylenol

told babysitter she was going to an appointment but babysitter says EJ goes out dressed for clubbing

Confirmed there is no video of couple with Gabriel who adopted him



I am watching now, heartbreaking!

The babysitter said he looked scared, just wanted to be held. poor little boy, this mother was a monster!


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: no rose colored glasses on January 14, 2010, 08:15:38 PM
I'm not believing this babysitter, and if in fact what she is saying is true, you would think she would have alerted someone to this problem, and how did she become the baby's babysitter?


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 14, 2010, 08:15:59 PM
What is her name or have they told?
Ad that EJ called to get sitter

Analisa, her phone number is here:

http://sanantonio.craigslist.org/kid/1513793180.html


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 14, 2010, 08:17:09 PM
Can someone get a screenshot of that ad from the link I posted please.  I am going to continue trying to capture NG .


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Tracygirl on January 14, 2010, 08:17:30 PM
I'm not believing this babysitter, and if in fact what she is saying is true, you would think she would have alerted someone to this problem, and how did she become the baby's babysitter?

I know, why didn't she call the police? I know she is 18 but that is old enough to know.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: mymonkey on January 14, 2010, 08:19:25 PM
Would she be going clubbing at 11:45 in the morning?


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 14, 2010, 08:20:04 PM
Sitter got there at 11:45 in the morning of 19th or 20th.

EJ was gone for about 2 hours at the most wearing tight low riders and a short tight top showing most of her stomach

Room had clothes and toiletries all over , not clean at all

Gabriel was thin and got excited when he got his bottle.  Only time he smiled

Gabriel did not want to be put down


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 14, 2010, 08:21:40 PM
Gabriel had no bruises , marks or diaper rash

Room had no books or toys every thing in the room was for EJ


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: no rose colored glasses on January 14, 2010, 08:22:11 PM
EJ dressed in tight, low-cut jean, heels. She was gone about 2 hours -- 11:45 a.m. - 1:25 p.m.
Butcher knife next to bed. Room was really messy.    ::MonkeyShocked:: Well I sure hope she had enough brains to move the butcher knife that was next to the bed.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: klaasend on January 14, 2010, 08:23:20 PM
Watching NG, the way this sitter is describing how Eliz was dressed, sounds like she was dressed more for prostitution than for an important meeting.  This concerns me.  If the post by Beth is not the same Gabriel then I'm more worried than ever about him.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Tracygirl on January 14, 2010, 08:23:23 PM
Sitter got there at 11:45 in the morning of 19th or 20th.

EJ was gone for about 2 hours at the most wearing tight low riders and a short tight top showing most of her stomach

Room had clothes and toiletries all over , not clean at all

Gabriel was thin and got excited when he got his bottle.  Only time he smiled

Gabriel did not want to be put down

Maybe she was selling herself for money?


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: klaasend on January 14, 2010, 08:24:01 PM
Sitter got there at 11:45 in the morning of 19th or 20th.

EJ was gone for about 2 hours at the most wearing tight low riders and a short tight top showing most of her stomach

Room had clothes and toiletries all over , not clean at all

Gabriel was thin and got excited when he got his bottle.  Only time he smiled

Gabriel did not want to be put down

Maybe she was selling herself for money?

That's the impression I got as well


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 14, 2010, 08:25:14 PM
Watching NG, the way this sitter is describing how Eliz was dressed, sounds like she was dressed more for prostitution than for an important meeting.  This concerns me.  If the post by Beth is not the same Gabriel then I'm more worried than ever about him.

Yup, sounds like she had an appointment all right.  Could also explain all the cash she had. 


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Tracygirl on January 14, 2010, 08:25:43 PM
Klaas we keep doing that! lol, you are rubbing off on me.

I am worried as well. I fear she lost control and he did die.  ::MonkeyNoNo:: I pray Beth is the key to finding this boy.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 14, 2010, 08:27:43 PM
Here is the ad and link to ad

I have blocked out her email and phone number


http://sanantonio.craigslist.org/kid/1513793180.html


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: klaasend on January 14, 2010, 08:28:25 PM
What is her name or have they told?
Ad that EJ called to get sitter

Analisa, her phone number is here:

http://sanantonio.craigslist.org/kid/1513793180.html

Screen cap

Edit - I'm going to leave the one with the phone numbers etc blocked out


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: no rose colored glasses on January 14, 2010, 08:29:41 PM
Had never come across a baby so sad and scared. Most babies like to play. Tried to tickle, bounce, play peek-a-boo, but no reaction. Housekeeper came but EJ had told her not to let anyone in. When EJ came back, she said she didn't know whether she'd need babysitter again because she didn't know what direction her life was going to take.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: darla on January 14, 2010, 08:30:56 PM
Just talked to Pat....said he caught Tammi as she came out of police interview and she admitted that she lied about the Craig Cherry. Said she helped Elizabeth fix up the paper work and told her to put his name down. Said she is still adamant that she does not know where Gabriel is. He asked her why should anyone believe anything she said and said she told him that God would straighten it all out in his time or something to that effect. 


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 14, 2010, 08:33:41 PM
Myspace of sitter (not logged in since 2007)

http://www.myspace.com/analisa66

other site

http://www.myyearbook.com/?mysession=cmVnaXN0cmF0aW9uX3Byb2ZpbGUmdXNlcmlkPTM2OTY3NjU=%0A


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: no rose colored glasses on January 14, 2010, 08:34:18 PM
Just talked to Pat....said he caught Tammi as she came out of police interview and she admitted that she lied about the Craig Cherry. Said she helped Elizabeth fix up the paper work and told her to put his name down. Said she is still adamant that she does not know where Gabriel is. He asked her why should anyone believe anything she said and said she told him that God would straighten it all out in his time or something to that effect. 
Thank-you, WTH


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: no rose colored glasses on January 14, 2010, 08:35:17 PM
Myspace of sitter (not logged in since 2007)

http://www.myspace.com/analisa66

other site

http://www.myyearbook.com/?mysession=cmVnaXN0cmF0aW9uX3Byb2ZpbGUmdXNlcmlkPTM2OTY3NjU=%0A
Thanks


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 14, 2010, 08:36:42 PM
Just talked to Pat....said he caught Tammi as she came out of police interview and she admitted that she lied about the Craig Cherry. Said she helped Elizabeth fix up the paper work and told her to put his name down. Said she is still adamant that she does not know where Gabriel is. He asked her why should anyone believe anything she said and said she told him that God would straighten it all out in his time or something to that effect. 

Why the H@ll is she not wearing pink boxers and farming on Sherriff Joe's field already?  From threatening Logan , to all this nonsense can they not lock her up already?


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: darla on January 14, 2010, 08:41:38 PM
We were just discussing the same thing. If that was me they would have already thrown my butt under the jail.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 14, 2010, 08:42:17 PM
I don't think NG is up to speef with 04Bull's   ::rhino::  find of last night


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: klaasend on January 14, 2010, 08:43:24 PM
I don't think NG is up to speef with 04Bull's   ::rhino::  find of last night

She rarely is up to date but I did find her interview with the babysitter interesting.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Tracygirl on January 14, 2010, 08:44:50 PM
I went on craigslist san Antonio to the personal ads, shudder! the things on there. Anyway there is nothitng that stood out to me from possibly being from her but apparently there was some kind of argument between someone that wanted a cowboy and a man that responded to her. He said she was a crazy person. Such drama! There was also something on a woman looking for another woman posting that was from a young woman age 23, no pic though and I do not know EJ's cell number to compare. 

You know Tammi may not know where the baby is or who took him, but it doesn't mean she didn't help to set it up. By her not knowing it would keep her out of it, so to speak.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 14, 2010, 08:45:18 PM
I don't think NG is up to speef with 04Bull's   ::rhino::  find of last night

decoder ring - speef = speed   ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Tracygirl on January 14, 2010, 08:48:05 PM
I don't think NG is up to speef with 04Bull's   ::rhino::  find of last night

She rarely is up to date but I did find her interview with the babysitter interesting.

It is interesting but I am not sure how many times the babysitter needs to say he was afraid.
Dr Duncan is an idiot, sorry but this baby is being described as being severly abused. Babies do not fear normally if they are hungry or not being given enough attention.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: SunnyinTX on January 14, 2010, 08:49:12 PM
Just talked to Pat....said he caught Tammi as she came out of police interview and she admitted that she lied about the Craig Cherry. Said she helped Elizabeth fix up the paper work and told her to put his name down. Said she is still adamant that she does not know where Gabriel is. He asked her why should anyone believe anything she said and said she told him that God would straighten it all out in his time or something to that effect. 

thanks Darle....and thanks again to all for the updates....does anyone believe this so called baby sitter?  Why would she just now be coming forward?  I will try to watch NG later tonight.....


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 14, 2010, 08:49:50 PM
I went on craigslist san Antonio to the personal ads, shudder! the things on there. Anyway there is nothitng that stood out to me from possibly being from her but apparently there was some kind of argument between someone that wanted a cowboy and a man that responded to her. He said she was a crazy person. Such drama! There was also something on a woman looking for another woman posting that was from a young woman age 23, no pic though and I do not know EJ's cell number to compare. 

You know Tammi may not know where the baby is or who took him, but it doesn't mean she didn't help to set it up. By her not knowing it would keep her out of it, so to speak.

I have been craigslist diving as well since I found the AZ ads EJ place. I have  found the San Antonio site not monitored very well .  Problem is a lot of the ads that would have been up around the 18-27 of Dec would have expired by now depending on which category they are in.

I have not found EJ's cell number yet, only the trailer landline which used to belong to a realtor and was reassigned to EJ.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 14, 2010, 08:51:06 PM
Just talked to Pat....said he caught Tammi as she came out of police interview and she admitted that she lied about the Craig Cherry. Said she helped Elizabeth fix up the paper work and told her to put his name down. Said she is still adamant that she does not know where Gabriel is. He asked her why should anyone believe anything she said and said she told him that God would straighten it all out in his time or something to that effect. 

thanks Darle....and thanks again to all for the updates....does anyone believe this so called baby sitter?  Why would she just now be coming forward?  I will try to watch NG later tonight.....

5000 reasons she could be coming forward now that they have announced a reward.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: no rose colored glasses on January 14, 2010, 08:51:09 PM
One can of formula and a bottle is all that was in the motel room. No toys, says the babysitter. I think the babysitter has embellished a bit  ::MonkeyRoll::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Tracygirl on January 14, 2010, 08:52:59 PM
I went on craigslist san Antonio to the personal ads, shudder! the things on there. Anyway there is nothitng that stood out to me from possibly being from her but apparently there was some kind of argument between someone that wanted a cowboy and a man that responded to her. He said she was a crazy person. Such drama! There was also something on a woman looking for another woman posting that was from a young woman age 23, no pic though and I do not know EJ's cell number to compare. 

You know Tammi may not know where the baby is or who took him, but it doesn't mean she didn't help to set it up. By her not knowing it would keep her out of it, so to speak.

I have been craigslist diving as well since I found the AZ ads EJ place. I have  found the San Antonio site not monitored very well .  Problem is a lot of the ads that would have been up around the 18-27 of Dec would have expired by now depending on which category they are in.

I have not found EJ's cell number yet, only the trailer landline which used to belong to a realtor and was reassigned to EJ.

I found the W4m and w4w ads going back to the 18th of december. I don't want to post them here, do you want to links?


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: SunnyinTX on January 14, 2010, 08:53:11 PM
I don't think NG is up to speef with 04Bull's   ::rhino::  find of last night

decoder ring - speef = speed   ::MonkeyHaHa::

 ::MonkeyJnBox:: ::MonkeyJnBox::  you need your tin foil hat back...this case is as crazy as Caylee's


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 14, 2010, 08:54:47 PM
One can of formula and a bottle is all that was in the motel room. No toys, says the babysitter. I think the babysitter has embellished a bit  ::MonkeyRoll::

I am not sure what I think of the sitter yet.  She is young and I give her credit for not answering when she did not understand what lethargic meant.  At 18 she would look at things differently than a mother or someone with more experience.  She must be nervous as heck being on national TV as well. 


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: darla on January 14, 2010, 08:56:18 PM
This is Pats video from last night :
Click on the blogsite offers tip:

http://www.kpho.com/video/index.html


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 14, 2010, 08:56:51 PM
I don't think NG is up to speef with 04Bull's   ::rhino::  find of last night

decoder ring - speef = speed   ::MonkeyHaHa::

 ::MonkeyJnBox:: ::MonkeyJnBox::  you need your tin foil hat back...this case is as crazy as Caylee's

Aint that the truth!  just when we think we have seen it all   ::MonkeyRoll::  if the sitter said EJ was wearing white tube socks I think my monitor would have experienced flight.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: SunnyinTX on January 14, 2010, 08:57:16 PM
Just talked to Pat....said he caught Tammi as she came out of police interview and she admitted that she lied about the Craig Cherry. Said she helped Elizabeth fix up the paper work and told her to put his name down. Said she is still adamant that she does not know where Gabriel is. He asked her why should anyone believe anything she said and said she told him that God would straighten it all out in his time or something to that effect. 

thanks Darle....and thanks again to all for the updates....does anyone believe this so called baby sitter?  Why would she just now be coming forward?  I will try to watch NG later tonight.....

5000 reasons she could be coming forward now that they have announced a reward.

Duh!  you are sooo right!!!!  anyone who loved kids as she proclaimed to would have called someone if she really did babysit for Gabriel and he was in the condition she described.  I haven't actually heard her talk...just what y'all have posted..so what do y'all think??  Did she really take care of Gabriel for a couple hours??


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 14, 2010, 08:59:11 PM
Police had survelance tape from Jack in the box from Christmas day.  Not sure if Gabriel is with EJ

Gramps not sure if EJ's story is true.  Gramps says EJ is committeed to staying in jail and not revealing where Gabriel is. 


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: no rose colored glasses on January 14, 2010, 08:59:59 PM
I believe she really babysat Gabriel. And I guess like Northern said because of her age and all, I don't know.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 14, 2010, 09:00:10 PM
Just talked to Pat....said he caught Tammi as she came out of police interview and she admitted that she lied about the Craig Cherry. Said she helped Elizabeth fix up the paper work and told her to put his name down. Said she is still adamant that she does not know where Gabriel is. He asked her why should anyone believe anything she said and said she told him that God would straighten it all out in his time or something to that effect. 

thanks Darle....and thanks again to all for the updates....does anyone believe this so called baby sitter?  Why would she just now be coming forward?  I will try to watch NG later tonight.....

5000 reasons she could be coming forward now that they have announced a reward.

Duh!  you are sooo right!!!!  anyone who loved kids as she proclaimed to would have called someone if she really did babysit for Gabriel and he was in the condition she described.  I haven't actually heard her talk...just what y'all have posted..so what do y'all think??  Did she really take care of Gabriel for a couple hours??

I believe she did watch Gabriel


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: no rose colored glasses on January 14, 2010, 09:00:59 PM
Police had survelance tape from Jack in the box from Christmas day.  Not sure if Gabriel is with EJ

Gramps not sure if EJ's story is true.  Gramps says EJ is committeed to staying in jail and not revealing where Gabriel is. 
  ::MonkeyEek:: Well then she will be in the jail for awhile I guess. And thanks Darla for the video.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: darla on January 14, 2010, 09:01:51 PM
Did this Analisa say What day she babysat Gabriel?


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: klaasend on January 14, 2010, 09:03:17 PM
Did this Analisa say What day she babysat Gabriel?

I think she said around the 19th or 20th of December


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 14, 2010, 09:08:11 PM
I went on craigslist san Antonio to the personal ads, shudder! the things on there. Anyway there is nothitng that stood out to me from possibly being from her but apparently there was some kind of argument between someone that wanted a cowboy and a man that responded to her. He said she was a crazy person. Such drama! There was also something on a woman looking for another woman posting that was from a young woman age 23, no pic though and I do not know EJ's cell number to compare. 

You know Tammi may not know where the baby is or who took him, but it doesn't mean she didn't help to set it up. By her not knowing it would keep her out of it, so to speak.

I have been craigslist diving as well since I found the AZ ads EJ place. I have  found the San Antonio site not monitored very well .  Problem is a lot of the ads that would have been up around the 18-27 of Dec would have expired by now depending on which category they are in.

I have not found EJ's cell number yet, only the trailer landline which used to belong to a realtor and was reassigned to EJ.

I found the W4m and w4w ads going back to the 18th of december. I don't want to post them here, do you want to links?

Yes please


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: darla on January 14, 2010, 09:10:19 PM
Did this Analisa say What day she babysat Gabriel?

I think she said around the 19th or 20th of December


Klaas if that is what she said then that should be wrong. Wasn't it reported she got to SA on the 22 and left on the 27th? But she may have been there on the 19th and 20th as she supposedly left Az on the 18th.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 14, 2010, 09:12:19 PM
This is Pats video from last night :
Click on the blogsite offers tip:

http://www.kpho.com/video/index.html

::MonkeyDance::   ::rhino::   ::MonkeyDance::   ::rhino::   ::MonkeyDance::   ::rhino::   ::MonkeyDance::   ::rhino::   ::MonkeyDance::   ::rhino::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Tracygirl on January 14, 2010, 09:14:32 PM
Warning, if you are easily offended by certain language, please do not click on the links to follow.

http://sanantonio.craigslist.org/w4w/index200.html

http://sanantonio.craigslist.org/w4m/index300.html

I also looked through the baby section where people post things for sale. Here are the listings, please page down and keep hitting next 100 postings until you finally reach the 18th of december.

http://sanantonio.craigslist.org/bab/


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: SunnyinTX on January 14, 2010, 09:16:28 PM
I believe she really babysat Gabriel. And I guess like Northern said because of her age and all, I don't know.

Thanks nrcg!!


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: klaasend on January 14, 2010, 09:16:57 PM
I'm moving Gabriel's thread up to the high profile area.  It will be easier to add a separate thread for links to Craigslist etc that way.

Get ready for the ride, I'll be moving now  ::rhino::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 14, 2010, 09:17:07 PM
Did this Analisa say What day she babysat Gabriel?

I think she said around the 19th or 20th of December


Klaas if that is what she said then that should be wrong. Wasn't it reported she got to SA on the 22 and left on the 27th? But she may have been there on the 19th and 20th as she supposedly left Az on the 18th.

Yup you are correct.  I am pretty sure  she said she looked after Gabriel the 19th or 20th.

Dec 18 Elizabeth took Gabriel from Tempe AZ on Dec 18

Dec 18 - Dec 22 Unknown where Elizabeth and Gabriel where from time she left AZ Dec 18 until they appeared in San Antonio Tx on Dec 22.

Dec22-27th  Elizabeth Johnson stayed in San Antonio at the Homegate Studio and Suits and the Quality Inn .


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: SunnyinTX on January 14, 2010, 09:17:36 PM
Just talked to Pat....said he caught Tammi as she came out of police interview and she admitted that she lied about the Craig Cherry. Said she helped Elizabeth fix up the paper work and told her to put his name down. Said she is still adamant that she does not know where Gabriel is. He asked her why should anyone believe anything she said and said she told him that God would straighten it all out in his time or something to that effect. 

thanks Darle....and thanks again to all for the updates....does anyone believe this so called baby sitter?  Why would she just now be coming forward?  I will try to watch NG later tonight.....

5000 reasons she could be coming forward now that they have announced a reward.

Duh!  you are sooo right!!!!  anyone who loved kids as she proclaimed to would have called someone if she really did babysit for Gabriel and he was in the condition she described.  I haven't actually heard her talk...just what y'all have posted..so what do y'all think??  Did she really take care of Gabriel for a couple hours??

I believe she did watch Gabriel

thanks NR...I sure wish she would have come forward a whole lot earlier.... ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: klaasend on January 14, 2010, 09:18:49 PM
OK, we are now moved to the high profile area.  I'll create a couple separate threads for links and or photos.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Tracygirl on January 14, 2010, 09:20:43 PM
http://sanantonio.craigslist.org/hss/index2200.html
Here is another section on craigslist that prostitutes sometimes post on. I did not go through the listings.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 14, 2010, 09:21:45 PM
OK, we are now moved to the high profile area.  I'll create a couple separate threads for links and or photos.

Thanks Klaas


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: SunnyinTX on January 14, 2010, 09:22:54 PM
This is Pats video from last night :
Click on the blogsite offers tip:

http://www.kpho.com/video/index.html

????  the video is about an attempted carjacking??  Oh hells bells am I lost yet again!!


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Tracygirl on January 14, 2010, 09:22:55 PM

Ads she could have answered

http://sanantonio.craigslist.org/tfr/


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Tracygirl on January 14, 2010, 09:23:32 PM
OK, we are now moved to the high profile area.  I'll create a couple separate threads for links and or photos.

Wow smooth landing, didn't feel a thing!


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: SunnyinTX on January 14, 2010, 09:24:21 PM
One can of formula and a bottle is all that was in the motel room. No toys, says the babysitter. I think the babysitter has embellished a bit  ::MonkeyRoll::

I am not sure what I think of the sitter yet.  She is young and I give her credit for not answering when she did not understand what lethargic meant.  At 18 she would look at things differently than a mother or someone with more experience.  She must be nervous as heck being on national TV as well. 

Did she say when she talked to the police???


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: no rose colored glasses on January 14, 2010, 09:24:28 PM
Thank-you


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: klaasend on January 14, 2010, 09:24:32 PM
I created a separate thread for links if you want to post some there (don't have to). 


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: SunnyinTX on January 14, 2010, 09:25:07 PM
I don't think NG is up to speef with 04Bull's   ::rhino::  find of last night

decoder ring - speef = speed   ::MonkeyHaHa::

 ::MonkeyJnBox:: ::MonkeyJnBox::  you need your tin foil hat back...this case is as crazy as Caylee's

Aint that the truth!  just when we think we have seen it all   ::MonkeyRoll::  if the sitter said EJ was wearing white tube socks I think my monitor would have experienced flight.

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyJnBox::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: no rose colored glasses on January 14, 2010, 09:25:08 PM
One can of formula and a bottle is all that was in the motel room. No toys, says the babysitter. I think the babysitter has embellished a bit  ::MonkeyRoll::

I am not sure what I think of the sitter yet.  She is young and I give her credit for not answering when she did not understand what lethargic meant.  At 18 she would look at things differently than a mother or someone with more experience.  She must be nervous as heck being on national TV as well. 

Did she say when she talked to the police???
I didn't hear that, I don't know if she did, but she did talk to Tammi  ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 14, 2010, 09:25:27 PM
This is Pats video from last night :
Click on the blogsite offers tip:

http://www.kpho.com/video/index.html

????  the video is about an attempted carjacking??  Oh hells bells am I lost yet again!!

bottom left of the screen , choose the one that says "blogsite offers tip"


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: klaasend on January 14, 2010, 09:26:31 PM
Did anyone get the exact date she babysat?  Sounded to me that the babysitter wasn't positive.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: SunnyinTX on January 14, 2010, 09:27:51 PM
OK, we are now moved to the high profile area.  I'll create a couple separate threads for links and or photos.

JaZammmmmmmm!  thanks Klaas


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 14, 2010, 09:28:26 PM
Did anyone get the exact date she babysat?  Sounded to me that the babysitter wasn't positive.
I wrote the 19th or 20th but I am pretty sure NG said that as the sitter was not sure. 


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 14, 2010, 09:29:10 PM
Darla you have nanners


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: SunnyinTX on January 14, 2010, 09:29:38 PM
One can of formula and a bottle is all that was in the motel room. No toys, says the babysitter. I think the babysitter has embellished a bit  ::MonkeyRoll::

I am not sure what I think of the sitter yet.  She is young and I give her credit for not answering when she did not understand what lethargic meant.  At 18 she would look at things differently than a mother or someone with more experience.  She must be nervous as heck being on national TV as well. 

Did she say when she talked to the police???
I didn't hear that, I don't know if she did, but she did talk to Tammi  ::MonkeyEek::

I sure hope she has talked to the police!!  She talked to Tammi???? Did she say how that came about??


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: klaasend on January 14, 2010, 09:29:45 PM
Becky Higgins is getting some free advertising for her site and product  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: no rose colored glasses on January 14, 2010, 09:32:32 PM
I believe that a reporter put Tammi and the babysitter together, they spoke on the phone.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 14, 2010, 09:33:50 PM
Becky Higgins is getting some free advertising for her site and product  ::MonkeyCool::

Tammi friended her on FB


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: klaasend on January 14, 2010, 09:33:55 PM
Becky Higgins is getting some free advertising for her site and product  ::MonkeyCool::

Here's the video about the BETH post, I saved it so we won't lose it

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub8/th_VideoFromCBS5NewsandKPHOcom-Phoenix.jpg) (http://s118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub8/?action=view&current=VideoFromCBS5NewsandKPHOcom-Phoenix.flv)


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: MuffyBee on January 14, 2010, 09:34:19 PM
OT- Nut, check your msgs. please.   ::rhino::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: SunnyinTX on January 14, 2010, 09:34:39 PM
This is Pats video from last night :
Click on the blogsite offers tip:

http://www.kpho.com/video/index.html

????  the video is about an attempted carjacking??  Oh hells bells am I lost yet again!!

bottom left of the screen , choose the one that says "blogsite offers tip"

thanks NR...I found it....Cool!!  ( All monks.....I have been helping a local church with Red Cross donations all day and I am more than a bit goofy and tired tonight..so thanks for bearing with me and leading me along) ::MonkeyKiss::  I am going to call it a night....night Monsk!


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 14, 2010, 09:36:59 PM
One can of formula and a bottle is all that was in the motel room. No toys, says the babysitter. I think the babysitter has embellished a bit  ::MonkeyRoll::

I am not sure what I think of the sitter yet.  She is young and I give her credit for not answering when she did not understand what lethargic meant.  At 18 she would look at things differently than a mother or someone with more experience.  She must be nervous as heck being on national TV as well. 

Did she say when she talked to the police???
I didn't hear that, I don't know if she did, but she did talk to Tammi  ::MonkeyEek::

From FB

Tammi Peters Smith Everyone try to stay positive and have faith that God has this under control....Otherwise people won't keep their eyes and ears open! I just got a phone call from my friend from Fox News in San Antonio and she put a girl on the phone that babysat Gabriel in the hotel....I about cried! That little angel, she said all he did was cry! He never cried with us! he didn't have time,we loved and kissed on him so much.....God bless Gabriel wherever he is right now..in Jesus name, amen!
Yesterday at 9:08pm


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: no rose colored glasses on January 14, 2010, 09:48:23 PM
Gabriel never cried while Tammi and Jack took care of him  ::MonkeyEek:: Does she have some special something going on where babies don't cry for her?  ::MonkeyRoll::  Good night Sunny  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: darla on January 14, 2010, 09:51:36 PM
This is Pats video from last night :
Click on the blogsite offers tip:

http://www.kpho.com/video/index.html

????  the video is about an attempted carjacking??  Oh hells bells am I lost yet again!!


Sunny you have to look through the videos til you get the one bloggersite tip  I think it is the last one on the righti


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: MuffyBee on January 14, 2010, 09:53:24 PM
(http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/MOD/tink-lock100.gif)


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: klaasend on January 14, 2010, 09:56:29 PM
This is Pats video from last night :
Click on the blogsite offers tip:

http://www.kpho.com/video/index.html

????  the video is about an attempted carjacking??  Oh hells bells am I lost yet again!!


Sunny you have to look through the videos til you get the one bloggersite tip  I think it is the last one on the righti

I copied it and have it here:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub8/th_VideoFromCBS5NewsandKPHOcom-Phoenix.jpg) (http://s118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub8/?action=view&current=VideoFromCBS5NewsandKPHOcom-Phoenix.flv)


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Babybear on January 14, 2010, 09:58:30 PM
This ridiculous person, Tammi Smith invokes the name of Jesus after having admitted helping EJ falsify legal documents by using her cousin's name as the baby's father?  I'd be afraid that lightning would strike me dead. 

Nancy Grace got somewhat perturbed when Mark Klaas said the Smiths were mixed up in this. I am not a fan of Mark Klaas, but in this case IMO he is right.  Right up to their necks.  I wonder how much the going rate is as a go between for a black market baby racket?  She needs to be arrested as an accessory to something or other.  There must be something.

Is it possible that the Smiths have duped hardnosed NG? Yeppers.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 14, 2010, 09:59:15 PM
One can of formula and a bottle is all that was in the motel room. No toys, says the babysitter. I think the babysitter has embellished a bit  ::MonkeyRoll::

I am not sure what I think of the sitter yet.  She is young and I give her credit for not answering when she did not understand what lethargic meant.  At 18 she would look at things differently than a mother or someone with more experience.  She must be nervous as heck being on national TV as well. 

Did she say when she talked to the police???
I didn't hear that, I don't know if she did, but she did talk to Tammi  ::MonkeyEek::

From FB

Tammi Peters Smith Everyone try to stay positive and have faith that God has this under control....Otherwise people won't keep their eyes and ears open! I just got a phone call from my friend from Fox News in San Antonio and she put a girl on the phone that babysat Gabriel in the hotel....I about cried! That little angel, she said all he did was cry! He never cried with us! he didn't have time,we loved and kissed on him so much.....God bless Gabriel wherever he is right now..in Jesus name, amen!
Yesterday at 9:08pm

Why is Yami Virgin from FOX ... collaborating with the persons of interest in the disappearance of Gabriel with all the updates.  Considering all we have learned about the deception in regards Tammi and Jack Smith in their attempts to adopt Gabriel ... I consider Yami's actions of as an obstruction of the investigation.

Janet

++++++

YAMI VIRGIN

NANCY GRACE
Couple Named Persons of Interest in Missing Baby Case
Aired January 7, 2010 - 20:00:00   ET


NANCY GRACE, HOST:  I`m completely stunned that you`ve been named persons of interest. On the other hand, that doesn`t mean the cops think you took baby Gabriel. I`m interpreting it to mean that they believe you know where baby Gabriel may be. What about it, Tammi Smith?

TAMMI SMITH: Well, I have tried to call the detective, Ramirez (ph), many times today, left two messages with her. It`s not that I know where he is, but like I told your staff, we`ve all been talking for the past couple days, trying to brainstorm where he is. So Yami from Fox News has been brainstorming, and she`s been digging and digging in San Antonio for us. And she gives us all of her leads. And so we go with that. And we`re working with your office, as well, and brainstorming together. So we just have our own ideas about it.

GRACE: Well, I noticed last night that you told us that you had determined the park where the handoff, the alleged handoff, was made by Mommy, 23-year-old Elizabeth Johnson, to this unknown couple that she just happens to meet at the park. How did you know the name of the park?

JACK SMITH: Yami. Yami was the one that had told me, and I -- I mentioned to you the connection aspect. Yami -- we have been somewhat embraced by them because they feel that we are trying our desperate -- desperately trying to find this baby. And help find this baby.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1001/07/ng.01.html


NANCY GRACE
Smiths Take Polygraphs in Missing Baby Gabriel Case
Aired January 8, 2010 - 20:00:00   ET


JEAN CASAREZ, GUEST HOST:. Have you had any communication at all today with Elizabeth Johnson?

TAMMI SMITH: No.

CASAREZ: Have you heard anything of where this baby could be tonight?

TAMMI SMITH: Well, I -- since I did get to talk to the detectives and give them the information that Yami from Fox News -- I`ve become really good friends with Yami with Fox News in San Antonio, and she is our digger. She searches and searches for information. And so I was able to give them the information that she gave me. Finally, I was able to give that to them because it`s very hard to get in touch with anybody over there.

CASAREZ: And what is that information?

TAMMI SMITH: I can give you some of the information, but some I cannot. One piece of information is when Elizabeth left, she had a Garmin, which is a navigation system, hooked up in her car and turned on. And when we met up, this was a place where she told us to meet her so there was no reason to have it turned on.

And from what Yami says, her cell phone was -- had a signal in Victoria, Texas, and that was the day that she went missing. And that was the day that she actually got on the bus. So if she had to drive two hours south from San Antonio, why did she drive two hours south down to Victoria, and then drive back up to San Antonio, and then get on a bus to go to Miami? That leads us to believe that that baby is in Victoria..

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1001/08/ng.01.html


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: darla on January 14, 2010, 09:59:38 PM
Thanks Klaas, He said he started to mention that it came from Scared Monkeys but wasn't sure if it was ok. I told him today that I thought it would be fine. Hope I wasn't wrong.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Tracygirl on January 14, 2010, 10:00:14 PM
This is Pats video from last night :
Click on the blogsite offers tip:

http://www.kpho.com/video/index.html

????  the video is about an attempted carjacking??  Oh hells bells am I lost yet again!!


Sunny you have to look through the videos til you get the one bloggersite tip  I think it is the last one on the righti

I copied it and have it here:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub8/th_VideoFromCBS5NewsandKPHOcom-Phoenix.jpg) (http://s118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub8/?action=view&current=VideoFromCBS5NewsandKPHOcom-Phoenix.flv)

Wow that is awesome, I hope and pray it is him.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Tracygirl on January 14, 2010, 10:02:07 PM
This ridiculous person, Tammi Smith invokes the name of Jesus after having admitted helping EJ falsify legal documents by using her cousin's name as the baby's father?  I'd be afraid that lightning would strike me dead. 

Nancy Grace got somewhat perturbed when Mark Klaas said the Smiths were mixed up in this. I am not a fan of Mark Klaas, but in this case IMO he is right.  Right up to their necks.  I wonder how much the going rate is as a go between for a black market baby racket?  She needs to be arrested as an accessory to something or other.  There must be something.

Is it possible that the Smiths have duped hardnosed NG? Yeppers.

Tammi Smith needs to read her bible again.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 14, 2010, 10:03:30 PM
This ridiculous person, Tammi Smith invokes the name of Jesus after having admitted helping EJ falsify legal documents by using her cousin's name as the baby's father?  I'd be afraid that lightning would strike me dead. 

Nancy Grace got somewhat perturbed when Mark Klaas said the Smiths were mixed up in this. I am not a fan of Mark Klaas, but in this case IMO he is right.  Right up to their necks.  I wonder how much the going rate is as a go between for a black market baby racket?  She needs to be arrested as an accessory to something or other.  There must be something.

Is it possible that the Smiths have duped hardnosed NG? Yeppers.

Babybear ... you and I are on the same page.

What do you think about Beth's posts on Becky's blog?

Could it be that the post may have the potential a exposing an adoption scheme?

Janet


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: klaasend on January 14, 2010, 10:09:47 PM
Thanks Klaas, He said he started to mention that it came from Scared Monkeys but wasn't sure if it was ok. I told him today that I thought it would be fine. Hope I wasn't wrong.

I'm sure Red wouldn't mind.  The only thing that can happen when a website (like SM) name is mentioned on the news is alot of traffic and the site slowing or going down temporarily  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 14, 2010, 10:11:38 PM
Tracy thanks for the links.  I have not found one that jumps out at me either. 


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: cartfly on January 14, 2010, 10:28:37 PM
Becky Higgins is getting some free advertising for her site and product  ::MonkeyCool::
I am even considering buying her scrapbook kit! ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Tracygirl on January 14, 2010, 10:29:44 PM
Tracy thanks for the links.  I have not found one that jumps out at me either. 

I am wondering if she answered an ad rather then placing one. She was up to something at 11:30 AM dressed as she was and I doubt it was anything you or I would be doing.

BTW, glad you have your mad scientist hat back on! I would constantly get you and NRCG mixed up!


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Tracygirl on January 14, 2010, 10:32:18 PM
Janet said: Why is Yami Virgin from FOX ... collaborating with the persons of interest in the disappearance of Gabriel with all the updates.  Considering all we have learned about the deception in regards Tammi and Jack Smith in their attempts to adopt Gabriel ... I consider Yami's actions of as an obstruction of the investigation.

Janet


I completely agree. She needs to stop feeding said person of interest information.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: cartfly on January 14, 2010, 10:42:29 PM
I am no expert on lying or anything but the babysitter seemed very truth full to me. She looked straight ahead, she didn't look down or up like most liars do. Her answers were very detailed and smooth. As far as this coming out now, maybe the cops had this under their hats early and asked her not to speak yet so not to compromise the investigation. and it is just coming out now (just a theory) But I did believe this young lady to be telling the truth.

Has there been much said about EJ's twin brother Robert (?) Is there anyone that can reach out to EJ and get facts on where baby Gabriel is?

It disturbs me to think that EJ would take off and spend Christmas alone with no family, no gifts no anything. It just saddens me to think of baby Gabriel not having a happy first Christmas. ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyWaa::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: MuffyBee on January 14, 2010, 10:49:34 PM
I am no expert on lying or anything but the babysitter seemed very truth full to me. She looked straight ahead, she didn't look down or up like most liars do. Her answers were very detailed and smooth. As far as this coming out now, maybe the cops had this under their hats early and asked her not to speak yet so not to compromise the investigation. and it is just coming out now (just a theory) But I did believe this young lady to be telling the truth.

Has there been much said about EJ's twin brother Robert (?) Is there anyone that can reach out to EJ and get facts on where baby Gabriel is?

It disturbs me to think that EJ would take off and spend Christmas alone with no family, no gifts no anything. It just saddens me to think of baby Gabriel not having a happy first Christmas. ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyWaa::

BBM

Here is the link to a post by Northern Rose that has picture of Gabriel with Santa for his first Christmas, in case anyone missed it:

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=6843.msg1047421#msg1047421


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 14, 2010, 10:50:06 PM
Family Denied Visit With Jailed Mom Of Missing Baby

PHOENIX -- The brother of Elizabeth Johnson, jailed since her son Gabriel went missing around Christmas, was denied a jail house visit today. Robert Johnson attempted to visit his sister, who is being held in the Estrella Jail in Maricopa County on more than $1 million bond on charges of custodial interference, kidnapping and child abuse.

"I just want all this resolved whatever it takes," said Johnson as he walked into the jail lobby.

Robert is the uncle of 8-month-old Gabriel who was last seen on Dec. 6, 2009 in San Antonio, Texas. A nationwide search has been ongoing since Elizabeth notified the baby's biological father that she killed the boy. She has since said that she said that only to hurt father Logan McQueary and that the truth is she gave the child away to a couple she had just met in Texas.

"I'd love Gabriel back but, you know, it is what it is, so I just hope for the best," said Johnson.

Robert Johnson showed up for the visit with his grandfather Bob Johnson. The elder Johnson said they were there to support Elizabeth but also to try to get her to come clean. "It was our intention to ask her to give up the location of the baby and settle this thing. Life goes on. We can't be playing around with this. There's better ways to settle this than how she's going about it," said the jailed woman's grandfather.

Less than 5 minutes after walking into the jail, both Johnson men came out. They were refused a visit with Elizabeth. Corrections officials said Elizabeth's visitors for the day were restricted to legal advisers.

"The thought going through my head is that her lawyers had told her that she is not to be giving any more interviews. But that has nothing to do with her visiting family," said the older Johnson.

Twin brother Robert said he was highly disappointed he didn't get to see his sister. "It's pretty messed up. Love to see her and I don't know why we can't," said Robert.

Repeated calls to the public defender assigned to the Elizabeth Johnson case to determine why her visitation was pulled went unanswered.

http://www.kpho.com/news/22242288/detail.html


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Tracygirl on January 14, 2010, 10:51:57 PM
I am no expert on lying or anything but the babysitter seemed very truth full to me. She looked straight ahead, she didn't look down or up like most liars do. Her answers were very detailed and smooth. As far as this coming out now, maybe the cops had this under their hats early and asked her not to speak yet so not to compromise the investigation. and it is just coming out now (just a theory) But I did believe this young lady to be telling the truth.

Has there been much said about EJ's twin brother Robert (?) Is there anyone that can reach out to EJ and get facts on where baby Gabriel is?

It disturbs me to think that EJ would take off and spend Christmas alone with no family, no gifts no anything. It just saddens me to think of baby Gabriel not having a happy first Christmas. ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyWaa::

I know cartfly, His christmas day is a difficult thing to think of. I bet his father is hurting over that as well. He seems like a nice guy and would have shown Gabriel a nice day.

I believed the babysitter as well.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Tracygirl on January 14, 2010, 11:02:12 PM
I am no expert on lying or anything but the babysitter seemed very truth full to me. She looked straight ahead, she didn't look down or up like most liars do. Her answers were very detailed and smooth. As far as this coming out now, maybe the cops had this under their hats early and asked her not to speak yet so not to compromise the investigation. and it is just coming out now (just a theory) But I did believe this young lady to be telling the truth.

Has there been much said about EJ's twin brother Robert (?) Is there anyone that can reach out to EJ and get facts on where baby Gabriel is?

It disturbs me to think that EJ would take off and spend Christmas alone with no family, no gifts no anything. It just saddens me to think of baby Gabriel not having a happy first Christmas. ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyWaa::

BBM

Here is the link to a post by Northern Rose that has picture of Gabriel with Santa for his first Christmas, in case anyone missed it:

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=6843.msg1047421#msg1047421

It is a cute pic.. Nice to see his smiling little face. I think this pic was taken when Tammi took him to see Santa? I will give her credit for that. 


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: cartfly on January 14, 2010, 11:08:46 PM
More than 40 adoption agencies in San Antonio listed on yahoo, Anyone think this is odd there are so many?  ::MonkeyShocked::

http://local.yahoo.com/results;_ylt=Apuk988n_JnefhclJ9FYjfaHNcIF;_ylv=3?p=adoption+agencies&csz=San+Antonio%2C+TX&ppg_nm=3&pg_nm=1&xargs=&start=19  (http://local.yahoo.com/results;_ylt=Apuk988n_JnefhclJ9FYjfaHNcIF;_ylv=3?p=adoption+agencies&csz=San+Antonio%2C+TX&ppg_nm=3&pg_nm=1&xargs=&start=19)

(If you click on the above yahoo link a map also shows where they all are located on the right side)

1. Foster Home and Adoption Home Studies  (210) 216-7392      San Antonio, TX 

2. ABC Adoption Agency (210) 227-7820 417 San Pedro Ave, San Antonio, TX

3.    Adoption Alliance Merchant verified (210) 764-6728 San Antonio, TX www.adoption-alliance.com "...24 hour information line for birth parents. Free confidential counseling. Adoption..."    
   
4.    Adoption Angels Incorporated (210) 477-2229 118 Broadway St, #517, San Antonio, TX

5.    Adoption Angels Incorporated (210) 227-2229 1511 Fredericksburg Rd, San Antonio, TX Get Directions www.adoptionangels.com       2.81 mi.

6.    Adoption Affiliates (210) 824-9977 215 W Olmos Dr, San Antonio, TX Get Directions www.adoptionaffiliates.or...    
   

7.    Adoption Affiliates Incorporated (361) 225-0818 215 W Olmos Dr, San Antonio, TX Get Directions    
   

8.    St Peter and St Joseph Children's Home (210) 533-1203 919 Mission Rd, San Antonio, TX Get Directions stpjhome.org    User Rating: Good (1)

9.    Adoption Prionties Incorporated (210) 494-2160 San Antonio, TX

10.    A World for Children Merchant verified (210) 249-0770 San Antonio, TX Get Directions awfc.org - Yellow Page Ad    

 (11 is petfinders)
   
12.    Huntzinger, Mary CEO - Family Evolutionz (866) 838-9631 San Antonio, TX familyevolutionz.com    
   
13.    Abrazo Adoption Association (210) 342-5683 10010 San Pedro Ave, #540, San Antonio, TX Get Directions www.abrazo.org "... on a personal level. This is one local agency with a stellar reputation in the national..."    Average Rating: 3.5 out of 5 stars (3)
Mandi - "I highly recommend Abrazo! Are they perfect? Nope. Do..." more
   7.40 mi.

14.    Great Wall China Adoption (210) 822-5445 123 E Sunset Rd, San Antonio, TX

15.    Respite Care of San Antonio (210) 737-1212 605 Belknap Pl, San Antonio, TX Get Directions www.respitecaresa.org    
   

16.    Adoption Advisory (210) 820-0000 8546 Broadway St, #125, San Antonio, TX Get Directions www.adoptadvisory.com
   6.80 mi.

17.    Adoption Services Worldwide (210) 342-0444 7300 Blanco Rd, #206, San Antonio, TX Get Directions babyasw.com    

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18.    Adoption Specialist (210) 326-7447 1635 Ne Loop 410, #901, San Antonio, TX

19.    Adoption Affiliates (800) 270-6757 5838 Joiner, San Antonio, TX Get Directions www.connectinghearts.org    

20.    Lutheran Social Service (210) 822-9745 3201 Cherry Ridge St, #B210, San Antonio, TX Get Directions www.lssmn.org    User Rating: Good (1)


    * Birthmother's Christian Adoption Agency www.adoptexas.com
   
    * Thinking about Adoption? www.AdoptionSpaceBook.com - Expenses May Be Paid. Call a Caring Advisor Today. We can help you.

21. Foster Care  (210) 212-2555      2939 W Woodlawn Ave, San Antonio, TX   

22.    The Childrens Shelter Merchant verified Infant Shelter (210) 212-2590 2939 W Woodlawn Ave, San Antonio, TX Get Directions www.chshel.org    

23.    The Childrens Shelter (210) 212-2590 San Antonio, TX Get Directions www.childrensshelter.org    
   
24.    Adoption Priorities Incorporated (210) 653-3008 14400 Northbrook Dr, #200, San Antonio, TX

25.    Adoption Services Associates (210) 699-6094 5370 Prue Rd, San Antonio, TX Get Directions www.adoptionservicesassoc...       10.19 mi.

26.    Pathways Youth Home Incorporated (210) 733-7117 4243 E Piedras Dr, #100, San Antonio, TX Get Directions pathway.org    

27.    Lawyers for Christ (210) 379-4250 1100 Nw Loop 410, San Antonio, TX Get Directions www.lawyers4christ.org       6.64 mi.

28.    Baptist Child & Famly Services (210) 832-5000 909 Ne Loop 410, San Antonio, TX Get Directions www.bcfs.net    

29.    DE Veau, Patricia - DE Veau Patricia (210) 479-2866 7551 Callaghan Rd, #103, San Antonio, TX

30.    Flagg Diaz Dorothy (210) 479-2448 7551 Callaghan Rd, Ste 103, San Antonio, TX 

31. Methodist Family & Rehab Service  (210) 696-7021      6487 Whitby Rd, San Antonio, TX  Get Directions  www.mmhome.org        User Rating: Good (1)
   9.99 mi.

32.    Lighthouse Family Network (210) 826-3993 9310 Broadway St, #202, San Antonio, TX Get Directions www.lfnetwork.org
   7.33 mi.

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38.    Family Center (210) 622-9778 8692 Old Pearsall Rd, San Antonio, TX
   
39.    Limiar USA Incorporated (210) 479-0300 111 Broken Bough Ln, Shavano Park, TX Get Directions www.limiar.org    

40.    Therapeutic Family Life (210) 348-6544 7704 S Loop 1604 E, Elmendorf, TX
 www.tflife.org





Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: cartfly on January 14, 2010, 11:17:55 PM
I am no expert on lying or anything but the babysitter seemed very truth full to me. She looked straight ahead, she didn't look down or up like most liars do. Her answers were very detailed and smooth. As far as this coming out now, maybe the cops had this under their hats early and asked her not to speak yet so not to compromise the investigation. and it is just coming out now (just a theory) But I did believe this young lady to be telling the truth.

Has there been much said about EJ's twin brother Robert (?) Is there anyone that can reach out to EJ and get facts on where baby Gabriel is?

It disturbs me to think that EJ would take off and spend Christmas alone with no family, no gifts no anything. It just saddens me to think of baby Gabriel not having a happy first Christmas. ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyWaa::

BBM

Here is the link to a post by Northern Rose that has picture of Gabriel with Santa for his first Christmas, in case anyone missed it:

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=6843.msg1047421#msg1047421

It is a cute pic.. Nice to see his smiling little face. I think this pic was taken when Tammi took him to see Santa? I will give her credit for that. 

Thanks Muffy! I just love that little picture too and have to admit that I also give Tammi credit for having that beautiful photo taken for his first holiday. He is a really handsome baby boy.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 14, 2010, 11:20:40 PM
<snipped>

A news conference with Tempe Police scheduled for 1 p.m. Thursday was cancelled because there was no new information to offer.

http://www.abc15.com/content/news/blogs/story/New-lead-in-Baby-Gabriels-Arizona-disappearance/kMzdZQEON0ORawoDI8UUdg.cspx


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: klaasend on January 14, 2010, 11:21:15 PM
<snipped>

A news conference with Tempe Police scheduled for 1 p.m. Thursday was cancelled because there was no new information to offer.

http://www.abc15.com/content/news/blogs/story/New-lead-in-Baby-Gabriels-Arizona-disappearance/kMzdZQEON0ORawoDI8UUdg.cspx

Thanks Northern


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: cartfly on January 14, 2010, 11:21:15 PM
Muffy OT- I am text acronym stupid, what does BBM stand for? ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 14, 2010, 11:30:01 PM
Wonder if Tammi's visit yesterday has anything to do with EJ not allowing visitors today?

Also, wonder what happened to Tammi's news conference she said she was holding today? 



Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 14, 2010, 11:30:57 PM
Muffy OT- I am text acronym stupid, what does BBM stand for? ::MonkeyHaHa::

Not Muffy but it means - Bolded By Me


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: klaasend on January 14, 2010, 11:33:32 PM
Muffy OT- I am text acronym stupid, what does BBM stand for? ::MonkeyHaHa::

Not Muffy but it means - Bolded By Me

I thought it meant Blog Bolding Moderator, lol  ::MonkeyHaHa::  j/k


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 14, 2010, 11:33:40 PM
<snipped>

Craig Cherry spoke with CNN Affiliate KPHO and told them he and Tammi Smith are very close, but doesn’t know Elizabeth Johnson and could only guess as to how Johnson learned his name and used it in court filings. Tammi Smith explains how this all came about, saying Johnson told her that the other possible father of Gabriel was actually someone Logan McQueary knows and Johnson was allegedly worried that if McQueary saw that, he would try to fight the other possible father. Tammi Smith claims Johnson initially wanted to make up a name, but Tammi Smith told Johnson she couldn’t do that. Then Johnson allegedly suggested she use Jack Smith’s name, and Tammi Smith would not let her. While saying she was joking, Tammi Smith admits they discussed other possible people to put on the document, including Tammi Smith’s cousin Craig Cherry. Tammi Smith drove Johnson to court to file the paternity request and reportedly even made 3 copies of the paperwork that clearly labeled Craig Cherry as the possible father but never noticed it. Smith says she never read it because she was in a hurry and didn’t know Johnson put Cherry’s name down until she got a call from Cherry saying the media was hounding him.

http://nancygrace.blogs.cnn.com/2010/01/13/hotel-clerk-says-elizabeth-johnson-used-different-name/


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: cartfly on January 14, 2010, 11:35:00 PM
<snipped from earlier post from KPHO> (Thanks Northern)

"I just want all this resolved whatever it takes," said Johnson as he walked into the jail lobby.

Robert is the uncle of 8-month-old Gabriel who was last seen on Dec. 6, 2009 in San Antonio, Texas. A nationwide search has been ongoing since Elizabeth notified the baby's biological father that she killed the boy. She has since said that she said that only to hurt father Logan McQueary and that the truth is she gave the child away to a couple she had just met in Texas.

"I'd love Gabriel back but, you know, it is what it is, so I just hope for the best," said Johnson.
(Bold red by me) I hate how the statements from Elizabeths bio family always seem to be so cold with no real emotion/feeling!  ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: darla on January 14, 2010, 11:36:25 PM
Has anyone seem anything about them searching a landfill? it has been posted on WS


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: cartfly on January 14, 2010, 11:37:36 PM
Muffy OT- I am text acronym stupid, what does BBM stand for? ::MonkeyHaHa::

Not Muffy but it means - Bolded By Me

I thought it meant Blog Bolding Moderator, lol  ::MonkeyHaHa::  j/k
::MonkeyHaHa::
I thought it meant "Big Butt Monkey".... ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 14, 2010, 11:40:38 PM
Has anyone seem anything about them searching a landfill? it has been posted on WS


Not today.  On NG last night they said police were getting dumping schedules etc.  and posted this map


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: darla on January 14, 2010, 11:41:00 PM
Can someone check WS and see if they can find the post? I can't find my way around over there


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 14, 2010, 11:51:17 PM
KPHO has their 10pm news (in 10 minutes) streaming if anyone is interested in watching for updates. 

http://www.kpho.com/live/index.html


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: leslee on January 14, 2010, 11:53:14 PM
<snipped from earlier post from KPHO> (Thanks Northern)

"I just want all this resolved whatever it takes," said Johnson as he walked into the jail lobby.

Robert is the uncle of 8-month-old Gabriel who was last seen on Dec. 6, 2009 in San Antonio, Texas. A nationwide search has been ongoing since Elizabeth notified the baby's biological father that she killed the boy. She has since said that she said that only to hurt father Logan McQueary and that the truth is she gave the child away to a couple she had just met in Texas.

"I'd love Gabriel back but, you know, it is what it is, so I just hope for the best," said Johnson.
(Bold red by me) I hate how the statements from Elizabeths bio family always seem to be so cold with no real emotion/feeling!  ::MonkeyMad::

I noted that also. I think life has hardened them both ( not sure about gpa though), maybe to the point where they have no real emotion or feeling. Abuse does that to people unfortunately. He may have been saying that like " I'd love to have Gabriel back, but regardless it ain't gonna happen now because of what EJ did, so I hope he's alive and will be found".


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: cartfly on January 15, 2010, 12:14:08 AM
*Just for the record* My only desire is to find Gabriel, but I think the other side should be giving OB4Bull the credit.  I think "Robinmphoto" meant scaredmonkeys when she said "found this link under another blog" and it just took on a life of it's own over there. Which is okay, it doesn't hurt for all the police agencies to get duplicate calls.

This was posted on WS at 6:42 AM (I think Eastern time) today Thursday 1/14/10 .O4Bull's post came in here on Wednesday 1/13/10 at 7:11 PM


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Found this link under another blog. Could be totally unrelated but dates, places and names are interesting.

Go down to the comment by blogger Beth

http://www.beckyhiggins.com/blog/201...nthusiasm.html


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Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
« Reply #1439 on: January 13, 2010, 07:11:46 PM »
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This is a huge longshot, and I do want to emphasize that I only mention it because of the dates, and the name and the state.
This poster says they just had a baby Gabriel placed into their care on January 1, in San Antonio.  Blogger said her name is "Beth".
Just a bunch of coincidences, IMO.  Still, probably nothing?

found here:  http://www.beckyhiggins.com/blog/2010/01/sharing-enthusiasm.html


Blogger Beth said...

    I live in WI, but am currently in San Antonio, TX. My husband and I are adopting a handsome baby boy that was placed into our care on January 1. I've decided to make my project life about Baby Gabriel. Even though I won't be home when my project arrives I am clicking away taking his photo here in San Antonio.
    January 4, 2010 1:45 PM

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Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: darla on January 15, 2010, 12:22:09 AM
Cartfly ...check your email please.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: klaasend on January 15, 2010, 12:24:07 AM
Cartfly - that is very true and we know that Tricia doesn't like links or reference to SM.  The important thing is finding Gabriel.  We all know that O4Bull is the one who found that Beth comment and it was a GREAT find!  ::rhino::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Searching on January 15, 2010, 12:28:06 AM
http://www.abc15.com/content/news/southeastvalley/tempe/story/PD-searches-home-of-couple-of-interest-in-Tempe/xgsbK2cK80iD5ZWBC0ifjg.cspx?rss=1730

PD searches home of ‘couple of interest’ in Tempe baby case

TEMPE, AZ -- Officials say detectives are searching the home of a Scottsdale couple considered 'persons of interest' in the case of an 8-month-old boy missing since December
Cont. at site.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: cartfly on January 15, 2010, 12:28:32 AM
Cartfly ...check your email please.
I did nothing new since earlier 9:00 your time.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: klaasend on January 15, 2010, 12:30:13 AM
http://www.abc15.com/content/news/southeastvalley/tempe/story/PD-searches-home-of-couple-of-interest-in-Tempe/xgsbK2cK80iD5ZWBC0ifjg.cspx?rss=1730

PD searches home of ‘couple of interest’ in Tempe baby case

TEMPE, AZ -- Officials say detectives are searching the home of a Scottsdale couple considered 'persons of interest' in the case of an 8-month-old boy missing since December
Cont. at site.

Wow, they got a warrant to search the Smith home?


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: cartfly on January 15, 2010, 12:34:22 AM
Has anyone seem anything about them searching a landfill? it has been posted on WS

I have a hard time reading there too and getting around. I looked but haven't found anything yet. (but my eyes are starting to cross)

Didn't you post somthing earlier about Tammi admitting to a reporter that she lied to police a bout that Cherry guy and why it was on the papers. I cant remember where I saw that.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Searching on January 15, 2010, 12:37:09 AM
http://www.abc15.com/content/news/southeastvalley/tempe/story/PD-searches-home-of-couple-of-interest-in-Tempe/xgsbK2cK80iD5ZWBC0ifjg.cspx?rss=1730

PD searches home of ‘couple of interest’ in Tempe baby case

TEMPE, AZ -- Officials say detectives are searching the home of a Scottsdale couple considered 'persons of interest' in the case of an 8-month-old boy missing since December
Cont. at site.

Wow, they got a warrant to search the Smith home?
It would appear as they did, I wonder what was said in that interview with LE that TS had today? They have to have good reason for a search warrant, a judge would not sign off on one just because they knew the EJ and baby Gabe.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: cartfly on January 15, 2010, 12:38:17 AM
Cartfly - that is very true and we know that Tricia doesn't like links or reference to SM.  The important thing is finding Gabriel.  We all know that O4Bull is the one who found that Beth comment and it was a GREAT find!  ::rhino::
I read over there occasionally but have no desire to be a member.
LOL, yes I gathered that links to "over here" would be a big no no for that poster.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: darla on January 15, 2010, 12:38:46 AM
yes I posted it earlier tonight. It was suppose to be on their 10 o'clock news, but I couldn't get the live stream.

I sent you another email.

Klaas, they must have got something out of Tammi to be able to get a search warrant. Wouldn't you think


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: cartfly on January 15, 2010, 12:44:45 AM
yes I posted it earlier tonight. It was suppose to be on their 10 o'clock news, but I couldn't get the live stream.

I sent you another email.

Klaas, they must have got something out of Tammi to be able to get a search warrant. Wouldn't you think
Maybe, her lie about Cherry gives them enough now to charge her (Tammi) with aiding and abetting or obstruction...


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Searching on January 15, 2010, 12:46:25 AM
yes I posted it earlier tonight. It was suppose to be on their 10 o'clock news, but I couldn't get the live stream.

I sent you another email.

Klaas, they must have got something out of Tammi to be able to get a search warrant. Wouldn't you think

Darla, I thought you meant they would be searching the "Beth" posters home. sorry , reading quickly to try to catch up


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: klaasend on January 15, 2010, 12:59:15 AM
yes I posted it earlier tonight. It was suppose to be on their 10 o'clock news, but I couldn't get the live stream.

I sent you another email.

Klaas, they must have got something out of Tammi to be able to get a search warrant. Wouldn't you think

Yes, either something out of Tammi or simply reason enough along with the Cherry issue to obtain the warrant.



Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: darla on January 15, 2010, 01:10:48 AM
yes I posted it earlier tonight. It was suppose to be on their 10 o'clock news, but I couldn't get the live stream.

I sent you another email.

Klaas, they must have got something out of Tammi to be able to get a search warrant. Wouldn't you think

Darla, I thought you meant they would be searching the "Beth" posters home. sorry , reading quickly to try to catch up


Yes they were suppose to do a search in Wisconsin today from what I understood. I do know they got Beth's name and address  during the night


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 15, 2010, 01:16:20 AM
Babysitter May Hold Key to Missing Child  (video)

http://www.myfoxphoenix.com/dpp/news/local/tempe/babysitter_gabriel_johnson_011410


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 15, 2010, 01:19:18 AM
Bet they seize her computer.  No more chatting it up with her 18,000+ friends on FB 


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Searching on January 15, 2010, 01:19:21 AM
yes I posted it earlier tonight. It was suppose to be on their 10 o'clock news, but I couldn't get the live stream.

I sent you another email.

Klaas, they must have got something out of Tammi to be able to get a search warrant. Wouldn't you think

Yes, either something out of Tammi or simply reason enough along with the Cherry issue to obtain the warrant.



search warrant, in law, written order by an official of a court authorizing an officer to search in a specified place for specified objects and to seize them if found. The objects sought may be stolen goods or physical evidences of the commission of crime (e.g., narcotics). The Fourth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution, which protects against unreasonable searches and seizures, provides, in effect, that a search warrant may be issued only on oath or affirmation that a crime was probably committed. In Mapp v. Ohio (1961) the U.S. Supreme Court mandated states to exclude from trial evidence obtained in illegal searches, such as those without a proper warrant. This "exclusionary rule" has been the subject of great controversy and subsequent litigation. In recent years, the Supreme Court has narrowed the scope of the rule, in many circumstances permitting the introduction of any evidence gathered in "good faith." Courts have ruled that a wiretap and the use of a thermal-imaging device to examine a private home from a public street constitutes a search that requires a warrant. Warrants are not required for the gathering of evidence in some circumstances. These exceptions include evidence gathered after a lawful arrest, inspections by customs or border officials, searches made with the suspect's consent, searches of items in plain view, and searches of the belongings of secondary students on school property.

So yes, with everything that has come out, was probably a probable cause issuance.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Searching on January 15, 2010, 01:22:21 AM
http://www.mopca.com/members/documents/vol3/modswarr.txt

That has good information on search warrants as well. Also wanted to add, the procedure is different yet the same from state to state, if that makes sense. Basically since state laws vary so do the procedures from what I am learning, however, the requirements are the same.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Searching on January 15, 2010, 01:23:46 AM
yes I posted it earlier tonight. It was suppose to be on their 10 o'clock news, but I couldn't get the live stream.

I sent you another email.

Klaas, they must have got something out of Tammi to be able to get a search warrant. Wouldn't you think

Darla, I thought you meant they would be searching the "Beth" posters home. sorry , reading quickly to try to catch up


Yes they were suppose to do a search in Wisconsin today from what I understood. I do know they got Beth's name and address  during the night
Thank you Darla, your great! I am not as confused as I was now.  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: cartfly on January 15, 2010, 01:24:19 AM
yes I posted it earlier tonight. It was suppose to be on their 10 o'clock news, but I couldn't get the live stream.

I sent you another email.

Klaas, they must have got something out of Tammi to be able to get a search warrant. Wouldn't you think

Darla, I thought you meant they would be searching the "Beth" posters home. sorry , reading quickly to try to catch up


Yes they were suppose to do a search in Wisconsin today from what I understood. I do know they got Beth's name and address  during the night
Yeah!!!! ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: God I hope to wake in the morning and they have found our little Angel Gabriel there in WI all safe and sound!!! I dont know about yall, but I could use a miracle just about now....


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: cartfly on January 15, 2010, 01:28:02 AM
Bet they seize her computer.  No more chatting it up with her 18,000+ friends on FB 
Oh carp, you mean now I can"t see what my BFF is up to anymore???? ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Searching on January 15, 2010, 01:29:10 AM
yes I posted it earlier tonight. It was suppose to be on their 10 o'clock news, but I couldn't get the live stream.

I sent you another email.

Klaas, they must have got something out of Tammi to be able to get a search warrant. Wouldn't you think

Darla, I thought you meant they would be searching the "Beth" posters home. sorry , reading quickly to try to catch up


Yes they were suppose to do a search in Wisconsin today from what I understood. I do know they got Beth's name and address  during the night
Yeah!!!! ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: God I hope to wake in the morning and they have found our little Angel Gabriel there in WI all safe and sound!!! I dont know about yall, but I could use a miracle just about now....

Cartfly, I really really could use a miracle right now,yes.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 15, 2010, 01:30:34 AM
Video from helicopter of seach of the Smith's as well as Tammi yapping

http://www.abc15.com/mediacenter/local.aspx?videoid=26497@knxv.dayport.com


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Tracygirl on January 15, 2010, 01:32:19 AM
yes I posted it earlier tonight. It was suppose to be on their 10 o'clock news, but I couldn't get the live stream.

I sent you another email.

Klaas, they must have got something out of Tammi to be able to get a search warrant. Wouldn't you think

Darla, I thought you meant they would be searching the "Beth" posters home. sorry , reading quickly to try to catch up


Yes they were suppose to do a search in Wisconsin today from what I understood. I do know they got Beth's name and address  during the night
Yeah!!!! ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: God I hope to wake in the morning and they have found our little Angel Gabriel there in WI all safe and sound!!! I dont know about yall, but I could use a miracle just about now....

From your lips to gods ears... Yes I would like a miracle too.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 15, 2010, 01:32:21 AM
Bet they seize her computer.  No more chatting it up with her 18,000+ friends on FB 
Oh carp, you mean now I can"t see what my BFF is up to anymore???? ::MonkeyHaHa::

 ::MonkeyDevil::   ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: klaasend on January 15, 2010, 01:32:40 AM
yes I posted it earlier tonight. It was suppose to be on their 10 o'clock news, but I couldn't get the live stream.

I sent you another email.

Klaas, they must have got something out of Tammi to be able to get a search warrant. Wouldn't you think

Yes, either something out of Tammi or simply reason enough along with the Cherry issue to obtain the warrant.



Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Tracygirl on January 15, 2010, 01:34:09 AM
Bet they seize her computer.  No more chatting it up with her 18,000+ friends on FB 

 ::MonkeyGavel:: ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Searching on January 15, 2010, 01:34:36 AM
Bet they seize her computer.  No more chatting it up with her 18,000+ friends on FB 
Oh carp, you mean now I can"t see what my BFF is up to anymore???? ::MonkeyHaHa::

Yeah, yu gonna miss her? lol we will still see her on the tv, hopefully doing the perp walk soon at that.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 15, 2010, 01:35:42 AM
PD searches home of ‘persons of interest’ in Tempe baby case

<snipped>

TEMPE, AZ -- Tempe officials say detectives have begun searching the home of a Scottsdale couple considered 'persons of interest' in the case of an 8-month-old boy missing since December.

Tempe Police Department spokesperson Mike Horn confirmed that police served a search warrant at Tammi and Jack Smith's home near 160th Street and Rio Verde Trail Thursday night.

Horn would not say what detectives are looking for, but it's likely investigators are interested in computers and any of the Smith's travel documents.

The search warrants come just hours after Tammi Smith voluntarily met with Tempe detectives for more than two hours Thursday.

As she walked out of Tempe Police Department Headquarters, Smith could be heard saying, "That was rough."

She went on to talk to reporters and quickly admitted that she played a role in manipulating paperwork with Elizabeth Johnson, the mother of baby Gabriel.

"I made a poor decision back when I met Elizabeth," said Smith.  "I helped her (Elizabeth) file her paperwork so she could get her child support and things like that. There was another name put on there and I helped her (Elizabeth) fill out that paperwork, and because of that it obviously doesn't make me look good."

The name on the paperwork, was apparently Craig Cherry, which prompted Tempe police detectives to look into the possibility Cherry was Gabriel's father. 

According to detectives, Cherry is not Gabriel's father, but is a relative of Tammi Smith.

"Instead of putting a false name there, I helped her (Elizabeth) put another name," said Tammi Smith.

With her husband, Jack, waiting nearby, Tammi went on to say she and her husband do not have attorneys, but were considering calling one.

http://www.abc15.com/content/news/southeastvalley/tempe/story/PD-searches-home-of-persons-of-interest-in-Tempe/xgsbK2cK80iD5ZWBC0ifjg.cspx


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 15, 2010, 01:38:46 AM
Bet they seize her computer.  No more chatting it up with her 18,000+ friends on FB 
Oh carp, you mean now I can"t see what my BFF is up to anymore???? ::MonkeyHaHa::

Yeah, yu gonna miss her? lol we will still see her on the tv, hopefully doing the perp walk soon at that.

My morning just won't be the same without reading her latest diarrhea
 ::MonkeyWaa::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: darla on January 15, 2010, 01:41:16 AM
Here is a link  for Maricopa Sheriff's office scanner   http://www.radioreference.com/apps/audio/?feedId=1974


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: cartfly on January 15, 2010, 01:41:48 AM
Bet they seize her computer.  No more chatting it up with her 18,000+ friends on FB 
Oh carp, you mean now I can"t see what my BFF is up to anymore???? ::MonkeyHaHa::

Yeah, yu gonna miss her? lol we will still see her on the tv, hopefully doing the perp walk soon at that.
Not really  :smt078 I get a little queasy visiting her site, but I am just nosey like that. ::MonkeyDevil:: It was funny when I put in the friends request I literally got excepted in less than 1 minute....she is just one of those media ::hohohosanta:: ('s) I have to look away when I see her face on tv now because that queasy feeling comes over me like it does when I check her out on FB.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 15, 2010, 01:43:19 AM
Video here as well

http://www.azcentral.com/video/61814648001


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: cartfly on January 15, 2010, 01:43:37 AM
Here is a link  for Maricopa Sheriff's office scanner   http://www.radioreference.com/apps/audio/?feedId=1974
Darn Darla- you are really on top of things. I had forgotten about those online scanners. Thanks for the link! ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Tracygirl on January 15, 2010, 01:44:04 AM
What worries me at this point is they have had a lot of time to hide things or shred paperwork.

Too funny she is considering herself a victim of EJ... really now, a victim? Seems Tammi did a pretty good job in placing herself right there with EJ. She is not a victim, the victim is the father of the baby and then most importantly, baby Gabriel.

I wonder what happed with the couple in WI? Is there anything in the news there? let me take a gander.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: cartfly on January 15, 2010, 01:44:32 AM
Bet they seize her computer.  No more chatting it up with her 18,000+ friends on FB 
Oh carp, you mean now I can"t see what my BFF is up to anymore???? ::MonkeyHaHa::

Yeah, yu gonna miss her? lol we will still see her on the tv, hopefully doing the perp walk soon at that.

My morning just won't be the same without reading her latest diarrhea
 ::MonkeyWaa::

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: klaasend on January 15, 2010, 01:47:06 AM
I won't be up when it's time to move to the new thread.  If you don't mind, when this thread gets to page 100 go ahead and start using the new thread.  I've already unlocked it.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=6940.0

Have a good night all!  Hopefully tomorrow will be the day Gabriel is found!
  ::rhino::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 15, 2010, 01:49:06 AM
What worries me at this point is they have had a lot of time to hide things or shred paperwork.

Too funny she is considering herself a victim of EJ... really now, a victim? Seems Tammi did a pretty good job in placing herself right there with EJ. She is not a victim, the victim is the father of the baby and then most importantly, baby Gabriel.

I wonder what happed with the couple in WI? Is there anything in the news there? let me take a gander.

Hannah is also a victim right now.  Cannot image what she is going through.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: cartfly on January 15, 2010, 01:50:14 AM
What worries me at this point is they have had a lot of time to hide things or shred paperwork.

Too funny she is considering herself a victim of EJ... really now, a victim? Seems Tammi did a pretty good job in placing herself right there with EJ. She is not a victim, the victim is the father of the baby and then most importantly, baby Gabriel.

I wonder what happed with the couple in WI? Is there anything in the news there? let me take a gander.
You are so right! I am sure she has been busy trying to cover her tracks.

It is like she has that "CRS" disease (can't remember sh**) and has a new revelation every day! It also bothers me that she didn't haul herself and all of her contacts to San Antonio to look and pass out posters of baby Gabriel instead of spewing garbage on every major network show!


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 15, 2010, 01:50:21 AM
I won't be up when it's time to move to the new thread.  If you don't mind, when this thread gets to page 100 go ahead and start using the new thread.  I've already unlocked it.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=6940.0

Have a good night all!  Hopefully tomorrow will be the day Gabriel is found!
  ::rhino::

Thanks!  Bed time here soon as well.   ::rhino::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: cartfly on January 15, 2010, 01:51:34 AM
I won't be up when it's time to move to the new thread.  If you don't mind, when this thread gets to page 100 go ahead and start using the new thread.  I've already unlocked it.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=6940.0

Have a good night all!  Hopefully tomorrow will be the day Gabriel is found!
  ::rhino::
Goodnight Klassend and Thank you for all you do!!! ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Searching on January 15, 2010, 01:53:13 AM
I won't be up when it's time to move to the new thread.  If you don't mind, when this thread gets to page 100 go ahead and start using the new thread.  I've already unlocked it.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=6940.0

Have a good night all!  Hopefully tomorrow will be the day Gabriel is found!
  ::rhino::

Good night Klaas, sleep well and have sweet dreams.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 15, 2010, 01:54:44 AM
What worries me at this point is they have had a lot of time to hide things or shred paperwork.

Too funny she is considering herself a victim of EJ... really now, a victim? Seems Tammi did a pretty good job in placing herself right there with EJ. She is not a victim, the victim is the father of the baby and then most importantly, baby Gabriel.

I wonder what happed with the couple in WI? Is there anything in the news there? let me take a gander.
You are so right! I am sure she has been busy trying to cover her tracks.

It is like she has that "CRS" disease (can't remember sh**) and has a new revelation every day! It also bothers me that she didn't haul herself and all of her contacts to San Antonio to look and pass out posters of baby Gabriel instead of spewing garbage on every major network show!

Are there even posters of Gabriel up anywhere?


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: cartfly on January 15, 2010, 01:54:45 AM
Goodnight to you too Northern! Thanks for all the updates from day one! ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Searching on January 15, 2010, 01:55:09 AM
What worries me at this point is they have had a lot of time to hide things or shred paperwork.

Too funny she is considering herself a victim of EJ... really now, a victim? Seems Tammi did a pretty good job in placing herself right there with EJ. She is not a victim, the victim is the father of the baby and then most importantly, baby Gabriel.

I wonder what happed with the couple in WI? Is there anything in the news there? let me take a gander.

Hannah is also a victim right now.  Cannot image what she is going through.

Seems like the ones involved in this have left several victims behind them just as in the Anthony case. It is sad that some people are so selfish.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 15, 2010, 01:56:48 AM
Goodnight to you too Northern! Thanks for all the updates from day one! ::MonkeyAngel::

Going to finish my tea and hope to go to bed with images of TFS walked away in handcuffs   ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: cartfly on January 15, 2010, 01:58:26 AM
What worries me at this point is they have had a lot of time to hide things or shred paperwork.

Too funny she is considering herself a victim of EJ... really now, a victim? Seems Tammi did a pretty good job in placing herself right there with EJ. She is not a victim, the victim is the father of the baby and then most importantly, baby Gabriel.

I wonder what happed with the couple in WI? Is there anything in the news there? let me take a gander.
You are so right! I am sure she has been busy trying to cover her tracks.

It is like she has that "CRS" disease (can't remember sh**) and has a new revelation every day! It also bothers me that she didn't haul herself and all of her contacts to San Antonio to look and pass out posters of baby Gabriel instead of spewing garbage on every major network show!

Are there even posters of Gabriel up anywhere?
I read somewheres that some locals in San Antonio were not seeing posters around town. It disturbs me that the San Antonio PD didn't jump on this immediately. (I dont know what they have done or not done as a fact) But it appears they were waiting for Arizona to handle the search....jmo though.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 15, 2010, 02:00:14 AM
Lie admitted in Missing Baby Case

http://www.kpho.com/video/22243067/index.html


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Tracygirl on January 15, 2010, 02:03:09 AM
I took a look at the major news sites in WI and nothing is posted about it. Actually since 1/10 nothing has really been reported on Gabriel that I can find.

I need to get some sleep. I have to post a quick something in Lindsey's thread and off to bed I go. goodnight everyone, hopefully tomorrow we will see this POS in jail clothing, you know and her husband. He is so phoney it is sickening. 



Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 15, 2010, 02:05:30 AM
Lie admitted in Missing Baby Case

http://www.kpho.com/video/22243067/index.html

Can anyone catch EJ's Grandma's name?

Also update on the scrapbooking post at the end


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: darla on January 15, 2010, 02:05:39 AM
Good Night Monkeys, I just can't keep my eyes open any longer and my back is killing me. Have a great night !
God Bless! :smt039


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Searching on January 15, 2010, 02:05:39 AM
I took a look at the major news sites in WI and nothing is posted about it. Actually since 1/10 nothing has really been reported on Gabriel that I can find.

I need to get some sleep. I have to post a quick something in Lindsey's thread and off to bed I go. goodnight everyone, hopefully tomorrow we will see this POS in jail clothing, you know and her husband. He is so phoney it is sickening. 



There was an update at the end of the news video, that baby Gabriel is only 15 days old according to the reporter.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Tracygirl on January 15, 2010, 02:06:11 AM
Lie admitted in Missing Baby Case

http://www.kpho.com/video/22243067/index.html

She says she had bad judgement when she met EJ, no it was when she took EJ to the court to try to strip the father of his natural rights. Even her "truth" is a lie.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: cartfly on January 15, 2010, 02:06:33 AM
Lie admitted in Missing Baby Case

http://www.kpho.com/video/22243067/index.html

OMG! I am crushed and sickened the Beth thing was someone adopting a 15 day old infant!! ::MonkeyWaa::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Searching on January 15, 2010, 02:07:01 AM
Good night Darla hope you feel better, sleep well. Good night all monkeys going to bed.

I did not catch the Gramas name.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: cartfly on January 15, 2010, 02:09:04 AM
Good Night Monkeys, I just can't keep my eyes open any longer and my back is killing me. Have a great night !
God Bless! :smt039
Good Night Darla, I hope you sleep well! ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Tracygirl on January 15, 2010, 02:09:05 AM
I took a look at the major news sites in WI and nothing is posted about it. Actually since 1/10 nothing has really been reported on Gabriel that I can find.

I need to get some sleep. I have to post a quick something in Lindsey's thread and off to bed I go. goodnight everyone, hopefully tomorrow we will see this POS in jail clothing, you know and her husband. He is so phoney it is sickening. 



There was an update at the end of the news video, that baby Gabriel is only 15 days old according to the reporter.

Oh man I just heard that on the news link NOR rose posted. That was from the website owner, how would she really know though. Before I give up hope, I will wait for the LE statement about this.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 15, 2010, 02:09:25 AM
Good Night Monkeys, I just can't keep my eyes open any longer and my back is killing me. Have a great night !
God Bless! :smt039

Good night and god bless


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 15, 2010, 02:11:12 AM
Gabriel needs to be home safe with  Logan


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Tracygirl on January 15, 2010, 02:12:57 AM
I hear silvet pucket?


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: darla on January 15, 2010, 02:13:38 AM
Northern had to come back an answer....Sounded like Pat said Celeste or Celette Parkin or something similar.

Also the tip in WI was not our baby Gabriel. The baby Beth and her husband adopted was only 15 days old. A real let down, was so hoping and praying it was our Gabriel


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: cartfly on January 15, 2010, 02:13:45 AM
I hear silvet pucket?
or maybe Sylvia pucket?


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Tracygirl on January 15, 2010, 02:14:13 AM
EJ's brother's inteview

http://www.kpho.com/video/22243067/index.html


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 15, 2010, 02:15:35 AM
Police search home in missing baby case

http://www.azcentral.com/12news/news/articles/2010/01/14/20100114warrantserved01142010-CR.html


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: seahorse on January 15, 2010, 02:16:00 AM
http://www.kpho.com/news/22242288/detail.html

Robert Johnson is Elizabeth's twin brother!


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: cartfly on January 15, 2010, 02:17:57 AM
I hear silvet pucket?
or maybe Sylvia pucket?
No, I think you're right I listened again and it does sound more like Silvette.

I hope the FBI checks the Beth link out completely rather than relying on the webhost. So maybe still hope??


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Tracygirl on January 15, 2010, 02:19:38 AM
Goodnite everyone, I am going to try and sleep. I really do not have a good feeling right now about how this is going to end.

I want to say to 04bull, you did good, it was still an amazing catch.  ::rhino::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Tracygirl on January 15, 2010, 02:21:30 AM
I hear silvet pucket?
or maybe Sylvia pucket?
No, I think you're right I listened again and it does sound more like Silvette.

I hope the FBI checks the Beth link out completely rather than relying on the webhost. So maybe still hope??

There is always hope. If the reporter is just relying on the word of the webhost and if that webhost does not know this person personally, then who knows.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: cartfly on January 15, 2010, 02:22:04 AM
Goodnite everyone, I am going to try and sleep. I really do not have a good feeling right now about how this is going to end.

I want to say to 04bull, you did good, it was still an amazing catch.  ::rhino::
Me too off to bed! O4bull it was a great find! ::MonkeyAngel::
Goodnight Tracygirl, goodnight all monkeys.

 ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 15, 2010, 02:22:47 AM
That is so messed up that a POI can go in and interview EJ with the media and now her own family can not go in.  As for enima woman, she should now be first in line in the morning for a cavity search and pink undies for knowingly falsifying a court document.


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 15, 2010, 02:30:36 AM
http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d118/Sanddrops/Scared%20Monkeys/LOCKED2.gif

(not really but Klaas asked us to move at page 100)

Please move to Gabriel Johnson #2

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=6940.0


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: Northern Rose on January 15, 2010, 02:32:05 AM

(http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d118/Sanddrops/Scared%20Monkeys/LOCKED2.gif)

(not really but Klaas asked us to move at page 100)

Please move to Gabriel Johnson #2

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=6940.0


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: bananas on January 15, 2010, 03:54:54 AM
Gabriel never cried while Tammi and Jack took care of him  ::MonkeyEek:: Does she have some special something going on where babies don't cry for her?  ::MonkeyRoll::  Good night Sunny  ::MonkeyAngel::

What a bunch of hooey.... my grandson cried many times when he was here.  It is what babies do when they need or want.  Geesh!


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: bananas on January 15, 2010, 04:28:08 AM
Goodnight to you too Northern! Thanks for all the updates from day one! ::MonkeyAngel::

Going to finish my tea and hope to go to bed with images of TFS walked away in handcuffs   ::MonkeyAngel::

My dream is to awake to images of baby Gabriel in the arms of LE being rescued!


Title: Re: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Multi-State Search
Post by: bananas on January 15, 2010, 04:33:31 AM
Lie admitted in Missing Baby Case

http://www.kpho.com/video/22243067/index.html

OMG! I am crushed and sickened the Beth thing was someone adopting a 15 day old infant!! ::MonkeyWaa::

This surely breaks my heart.  I had pinned all my hopes on this being our baby Gabriel.