USE ME: RUMORS OF BREAKING NEWS 3

[Ed Gewise]

Did I see on the news earlier today that one of those 2 "experts" being sent to Aruba might deal with "crimes against children?"  I just saw a graphic, didn't have the volume turned up -- interesting though if this is going in this direction??

I saw that too

I just did a quick search -- I think it's one of the U.S. FBI agents -- regardless, maybe they're looking at this angle?

[TTownMike]

did anyone see the slam job geraldo just did?[/qu
Yeah, he put it on em.ote]

[Rob]

apparently there is a video of joran and others gangbanging a 14 year old... I KIDD YOU NOT! according to Horeldo! he said it!

[arubagirl]

Red, the locals also want to know what the story is with the FBI agents.

[RB]

May not like Geraldo, but egads, he gets people to talk. And I don't just mean on this messageboard, either. Geraldo, as a guest on Bill's show, will now be quoted by other reporters - that's just the way it is. I have been on several other reporter/journalists sites prior to checking here and they literally *exploded*  when Geraldo made those statements  and one of them told the others - most of them agree he did it in the slickest, less lawsuit-risky way anyone could.  

Remember, MJ's trial is over, so the hounds will be sniffing for more dirt.  They're going to go to Aruba to get it, and I rather feel depressed about that.

[dragonfly]

I thought that Mickey was talking about the older brother being confident about his release, not Joran.

[Bill]

what do I think about the porn business theory?

I don't believe that someone could be held alive for a prolonged period of time on the island, because it's just too damn small here.

I do think it's very easy for someone to spirit Natalie away to Venezuela, it happens all the time in the opposite decision. I mean that illegels come frequently to Aruba from Venezuela via boats. Not that kidnapped young women come here all the time.

God help her if that happened!

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[Ben]

READ THIS:

A number of you are talking about, why does NH trust Joran, why would she go with him, etc.  The obvious explanation is that she had placed a small amount of trust in him, she had probably been drinking, and wasn't making the best decisions.  Not the smartest decision, obviously.

Her friends attest that she was not stumbling around when she got in the car.  It's doubtful that she drank when she was in the car.  So what's the explanation for a "very, very drunk NH" when the brother dropped her off.

I think she was slipped something in her last drink and I think Joren and his buddies have experience doing that all the time.  This time it went wrong.

I have a personal experience that happened to my best friend here in nyc this weekend.  I went with her, my roomate, and her roomate to a club in the city.  We never lost site of each other, stayed in a group of inteconnected friends, and watched out for each other all night.  About 1 hr into the night, she looked awful, like she was going to pass out.  My roomate, her ex b/f, took her home and put her to bed.  (nothing bad happened, thankfully)

The next morning she was extremely sick, it continued throughout the day.  She didn't remember anything from the night before.  

Long story short, she went to the Dr. did a urinalysis and found out she had been given GHB, a date rape drug, which, when mixed w/ alcohol caused extreme drowsiness that in some cases can result in a coma or death.

She literally went from a little drunk, to being nearly passed out in a span of 20 minutes.  Keep in mind guys, she was never out of our group and had her drink w/ her at all times.

[MissyRose]

I am so not sure about how involved Joran was.
I don't know if he set her up and pawned her off.
I don't know if her set out to hurt her.
I don't know if it was an accident.

[Juvenal]

apparently there is a video of joran and others gangbanging a 14 year old... I KIDD YOU NOT! according to Horeldo! he said it!

Well, I know that's what he's saying, but the important question is, does he know what he's talking about?

[arubagirl]

OH, if they were American, then disregard my post about what v/d Straaten said.

[KerinTX]

apparently there is a video of joran and others gangbanging a 14 year old... I KIDD YOU NOT! according to Horeldo! he said it!

Rob...yeah we posted all over the place when we saw it! Disgusting huh?

[TTownMike]

did anyone see the slam job geraldo just did?

Yeah, here really put it on em!

[arubagirl]

Juvenal, that's the million dollar question.

[alabama_mom_of_2]

I think they were ordered to do this by higher AUTHORITY!  Thats why they are leading us to stray............. keep the focus off the AUTHORITY!

[sb]

ARE YOU READY FOR THIS ONE?

There is a guy posting on the Trip Advisor forum as "wayback" who claimed that he can CALL JORAN IN THE JAIL! He said all you have to do is leave a message and that the "prisoner" LOL can return the call!

This is what this guy has just posted on Page 26:
 
                              This is Joren's story.....We went to the beach, I wanted to fool around, she refused. I got mad, she got mad....said she was walkin back to the hotel...I said I will walk you back...she said no and stormed off....I called the brothers and told them something bad had happened....all I meant was she was mad and upset....they came and picked me up...don't know what happened to her after that....

I have no eathly idea if he is legit or not but it sure is getting strange. As if it wasn't enough already.

[arubagirl]

ordered to do what by higher authority?

[wwizard]

Did I see on the news earlier today that one of those 2 "experts" being sent to Aruba might deal with "crimes against children?"  I just saw a graphic, didn't have the volume turned up -- interesting though if this is going in this direction??

I saw that too

the netherlands is the only place on earth where child porn is legal

[Shellbell]

Oh, I thought they were talking about Joran.

[CancunMole]

dragonfly:

 

Posted: Tue Jun 14, 2005 8:41 pm    Post subject:    

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CancunMole, I know many good-looking sports stars in my graduating class that made great grades but did not do much of their own school work. Let alone adding into that a well-off family with connections.

I must be pretty naive then. There are still just so many hours in a day.