Natalee Case Discussion #780 11/26/08 - 12/3/08

[MumInOhio]

Who thinks that Joran is trying to blackmail Paulus? TIA

No, i think it means nothing. He knew there WOULD be a lot of speculating about this and is just setting out more BULL stories which lead to a dead end. Thats my honest opinion.

LOL...I know you didn't mean to yell at me...I am not surprised you think that though.

[Dayhiker]

It was fun watching Greta's sparring match with Joe T.   He really came unglued.   

Joe T has been reduced to describing his clients Joran a "sociopath" and Paulus as a "simpleton."

[Blonde]

Hi Poochy,

I think one reason Beth was pretty sure early on that Natalee had died was because she was told that Natalee probably was, based on the amount of blood in the Kalpoes' car. You know - the blood that miraculously turned to chocolate later on. 

Didn't vanderStrateen say that she was dead, he knew it because "I have seen..."  blah, blah, blah.

YES
What Does van der Straten Know About Natalee Holloway?

h/t to Hasibokus - read more there.

In a Dutch interview Aruban Police Superintendent Jan van der Straten told the reporter that he doesn’t believe that Natalee is still alive.

With regard to Natalee’s status, van der Straaten gave the following statement to a Dutch reporter:

Translation:

Rep: Any hopes for a positive outcome?

Jan: You always have to be hopeful, but I don’t believe anymore that we will find Natalee alive.

Rep: Why not?

Jan: Because I know the details of the investigation and you don't!

http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/2005/07/what_does_van_d.html

[Dayhiker]

Who thinks that Joran is trying to blackmail Paulus? TIA

No, i think it means nothing. He knew there WOULD be a lot of speculating about this and is just setting out more BULL stories which lead to a dead end. Thats my honest opinion.

LOL...I know you didn't mean to yell at me...I am not surprised you think that though.

I do think he'd blackmail his father if Paulus cut the money spigot off and this would be a great way to do it. Give him just enough to think about to make him wonder whether next time he's going to expose him for real, and all his dirty government associates, the "higher ups" he mentions in the Patrick tapes.

[bastibro]

Who thinks that Joran is trying to blackmail Paulus? TIA

No, i think it means nothing. He knew there WOULD be a lot of speculating about this and is just setting out more BULL stories which lead to a dead end. Thats my honest opinion.

LOL...I know you didn't mean to yell at me...I am not surprised you think that though.

I`d never yell at you    neverrr!

[bastibro]

Who thinks that Joran is trying to blackmail Paulus? TIA

No, i think it means nothing. He knew there WOULD be a lot of speculating about this and is just setting out more BULL stories which lead to a dead end. Thats my honest opinion.

LOL...I know you didn't mean to yell at me...I am not surprised you think that though.

I do think he'd blackmail his father if Paulus cut the money spigot off and this would be a great way to do it. Give him just enough to think about to make him wonder whether next time he's going to expose him for real, and all his dirty government associates, the "higher ups" he mentions in the Patrick tapes.

I sure hope you`re right Dayhiker, and that daddy doen`t respond in the way Joran likes. So Joran, when he is again stoned like H*LL, will expose all the dirty Dutch and Aruban b*sterds!

[Tylergal]

Glenda Posted: Wed Nov 26, 2008 9:08 am @ RU

Obviously, I don't know what Mos told JQK. I do know that JQK did his best to get a copy of that Casino Tape and other tapes from other casinos where the man seen talking to Natalee might be playing at the same tables as Joran.

I was told in 2005 by one of the leads on the case that the Man was 100% not PvdS and they identified him as a guest of the resort and not a chaperone. 

Ok. It must be a fact..
 

She stands by the boy, and his drug abuse, his disposing and murder of an innocent girl, and his sex trafficking. She is the face of Aruba in one ugly package.

I always wondered if Glenda the Witch had a little business on the side that paid better than rags and ink.  The liar that she is would make a good marketing manager for a trafficking or prostitution business, anything related to meat and of ill repute.

[klaasend]

It was fun watching Greta's sparring match with Joe T.   He really came unglued.   

Joe T has been reduced to describing his clients Joran a "sociopath" and Paulus as a "simpleton."

SIMPLETON

[Lala'sMom]

It was fun watching Greta's sparring match with Joe T.   He really came unglued.   

Joe T has been reduced to describing his clients Joran a "sociopath" and Paulus as a "simpleton."

I am sure that will go over well at their get together, don't you? LOL  Taco was beside himself last night and Greta only added fuel to the fire.  She took him on head on and he lost. I loved it!

[Anna]

Even in the tapes with Patrick, Joran was always so careful to insist Paulus was totally not involved.

Now suddenly he produces not one but three tapes allegedly showing that Paulus knew about human trafficking?  Gave chip to Greta, even?

At the least, this is the royal shakedown. 

Paulus is getting on with his life while Joran is exiled to Thailand which is in the throes of near civil war at the moment.  Can't return to NL and not welcome in Aruba.  When Paulus said no body, no case, he didn't tell Joran about this part and I think Joran resents that tremendously.

Joran could have taken Uncle Jan's offer of a couple of years in mental facility then become "cured" and released and this would all be behind him.  Instead he listened to Paulus and denied all.  Look where that got him.  Paulus should pay in Joran's mind.

Otherwise, why the sudden shift on the fact that Paulus knew more than he told the authorities?

[bastibro]

Glenda Posted: Wed Nov 26, 2008 9:08 am @ RU

Obviously, I don't know what Mos told JQK. I do know that JQK did his best to get a copy of that Casino Tape and other tapes from other casinos where the man seen talking to Natalee might be playing at the same tables as Joran.

I was told in 2005 by one of the leads on the case that the Man was 100% not PvdS and they identified him as a guest of the resort and not a chaperone. 

Ok. It must be a fact..
 

She stands by the boy, and his drug abuse, his disposing and murder of an innocent girl, and his sex trafficking. She is the face of Aruba in one ugly package.

I always wondered if Glenda the Witch had a little business on the side that paid better than rags and ink.  The liar that she is would make a good marketing manager for a trafficking or prostitution business, anything related to meat and of ill repute.

Well, Johan and i figured out she was running an escort service

[Lala'sMom]

My one point of interest in Joran's human traficking scenario is this....

Who was Joran's contact in the Netherlands should he have managed to procure those women in Thailand?  He could not have been sending them there with no one on the other end of the deal.

[Nut44x4]

IMO the tape does not sound like either Joran or Paulus. We have heard their voices plenty... I do not know who these people are, but they are not Joran and Paulus.

[Anna]

AND. . . .

If the tapes are fake and it is not really Paulus, so much more is Joran trying to frame Paulus for being in on the trafficking scam.

Remember there is already some vague connection to Paulus and the Rudy Croes one of have two women Croes was holding against their will.  Whatever happened to charges on that one?

I guess Aruba hasn't gotten around to passing any laws against human trafficking, either.  To go with not passing any against official corruption. Last I read, they were some three years behind in getting around to actually officially making lots of things illegal.  I think by design.

[Lala'sMom]

I am wondering about the cops in on the take...how long until they begin to worry that Greta will let the cat out of the bag.  She has nothing to lose by telling the names that Joran gave her...Joran does.

[Anna]

Tylergal,

Most of her publications were more or less just a string of ads for escort services, both male and female, and massage parlor type things.  Couple of flimsy articles thrown in to make it look good.  So bad most would not even want their children to see these publications so one would have to think she certainly knew the "right" people for this sort of activity.

Also we had the allegation that even Joran was active participant in such activity.  Now she come out so strangely defensive of him and the PIMPs in general.  What else can one think?

[bastibro]

My one point of interest in Joran's human traficking scenario is this....

Who was Joran's contact in the Netherlands should he have managed to procure those women in Thailand?  He could not have been sending them there with no one on the other end of the deal.

There were none Lala`s.
Joran thought Arjan was the pimp, who was undercover for Peter de Vries.

[Tylergal]

There has always been too much money in that Sloot family being spent on travel to here, there and everywhere, nice enough home, nice enough clothing, and expensive nights out with the movers and shakers of Aruba as well as the trips back and forth to the NL for a simpleton judge who makes no money and whose wife teaches at an American school, who had three children in private school.  That is far more outgo than the income that I am able to see. 

[Tylergal]

Tylergal,

Most of her publications were more or less just a string of ads for escort services, both male and female, and massage parlor type things.  Couple of flimsy articles thrown in to make it look good.  So bad most would not even want their children to see these publications so one would have to think she certainly knew the "right" people for this sort of activity.

Also we had the allegation that even Joran was active participant in such activity.  Now she come out so strangely defensive of him and the PIMPs in general.  What else can one think?

I always wondered if perhaps the friend who worked for the HI casino and Joran were "models" (to put it nicely) for some kind of sleazy business.  They spent way too much money for a judge in training family with three children in private school who made frequent and regular trips to the USA and Europe.

[texasmom]

It was fun watching Greta's sparring match with Joe T.   He really came unglued.   

Joe T has been reduced to describing his clients Joran a "sociopath" and Paulus as a "simpleton."

SIMPLETON

ewwwwwww, that's just GROSS! 

And as the "Simpleton", probably doesn't even wear any underwear!