Scared Monkeys Discussion Forum

Here!

Me too!

Magnolia, LMAO re: baby mamas'!

I'm here, but not for long, must get to bed soon!

I copied your post from the previous thread.

I AGREE.

Last thread...Renho posted something about things not being true...have to go back and reread.  Hmmmmm.

Didn't Dana have a program tonight?  I had company pop in and missed it all.

Yes, everything you have seen on TV is not exactly the truth...HELLO!?

His program will be tomorrow night and it will be a good one!

This is his tentative schedule...

1. 9pm et  Actor Stanley Livingston "Chip from MY Three Sons" http://www.paleycenter.org/rewind-my-three-sons
My Three Sons: 50th Anniversary Celebration
 
2. 9:25pm et or we pre record during the day.  Dr Dale Archer http://drdalearcher.com/ and I will open the thimble that is Joran Vandersloots brain and try and understand what makes a monster tick.
 
3. 9:40pm et.  NBC News Analyst Robin Sax  www.robinsax.com more on the Vandersloot and other high profile cases
 
4. 9:55pm et . Holloway Family Private Investigator TJ Ward http://tjwardpi.com/default.asp

2NJ - I think Renfro was referring to Joran's confession he made to Jaap that was aired soon after PVDS died.

Thanks, Klaas.

Oh, good.  I did want to listen to that one and thought I missed it.

Will tune in tomorrow for sure.

SuzyQ said: Carpe, did you find this one. Isn't this Marlene and Anita. Don't know when it was taken. They were at the Screaming Eagle.

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No, but thanks.


Not Marlene Purcell Nichols. Another IFA-er.


(http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w214/iliketoN0KTEM/ANITAscreamingeagle.jpg)

I know, but expanding a bit....because it fits....imo. 

Posted by Billlybob aka Medleyrelay aka Jan Brennan at RU:

billybob  PostPosted: Sun Jun 27, 2010 10:06 pm         

truer words have never been spoken. I think this case has taken a new low with the nonstop attacks on Anita, it is beyond sad to see how low some will go to attack a poor mother that never hurt anyone, just gave birth to a child that seems to have taken some wrong turns in his life.


SEEMS TO HAVE TAKEN SOME WRONG TURNS IN HIS LIFE?  That's what you call murdering Natalee and Stephany, WRONG TURNS?  WOW, just WOW

What IF Chris Cuomo were not related to THE CUOMO FAMILY? Would ABC still
have hired him?

I could waste an entire lifetime on WHAT IF questions. I deal with what is.

If somebody murders someone`s loved one and disposes of the body like trash.

I want to KNOW ABOUT IT.

I don`t care what color they are.... I don`t care what country.

Whenever somebody floats that missing white girl syndrome crap... I hit the remote button so fast. Life is too short to waste your time on fools.

I think the cut off for wrong turns comes right around theft somewhere. Not sure, I`ll have to look it up. :)   These people smoke major ganja.

I agree Carpe! 

I wonder how many other cases Chris Cuomo has covered where the whole government was in on
the cover-up of the crime?  If he did a little research, he would know why this case is different.
Cuomo is a loser.

They would have not hired him.

It was about seeing a country cover up a murder for a White Dutch Boy.  We all knew from the first week what was going on and Aruba did this.

So forget the white girl syndrome because that's not what it was for me.

It was about trying to make fools of everyone following this case and them thinking us stupid Americans were going to fall for their crap.

I would feel much more kindly disposed toward Anita if she would stop lying and pretending she doesn't know Joran killed Natalee.  She knew it in 2005.

It's the lying that makes me hate her.  That and the fact she is guilty of enabling her monster son so that he could go on and kill yet another.

Doesn't get any worse than that in my book, enabling your homicidal maniac to kill the children of others.  Not to mention the extortion and all the lies. 

She isn't much above Joran in the morals department--just hasn't killed anybody.  She's the one who helped teach Joran that if you get away with it, it doesn't count.

Well, it does. 

Wow...just think of all the things Medley, (billybob),(Jan Brennen) has said about Beth.

I agree Anna.  She is just as bad as her son.

San, you are exactly right!  It was the insult to our intelligence that got to me the most of all. 

Certainly it had nothing to do with Natalee being a pretty white girl.  Yes, it did have to do with her being from this state and my having a son in the programs she was going into but race was not a factor.

And are white girls any less dead?  That's a very lame claim.  It was a mother against a foreign government plus all the BS they expected us to believe time and time again.

We knew right away who the culprit was and what they were doing.  And so did they.  And we knew they knew.

Thanks Carpe, surely you're right.

That idiots brainfart post makes me so mad I'm shaking!  "Poor mother that never hurt anyone," MY AZZ!  She enabled, encouraged, and coddled that murderer every step of the way.  She's lied, encouraged others to lie, and promoted their lies to cover for that murderer for five years.  There are two KNOWN families that she has hurt beyond her comprehension...that is since she speaks of the "loss" of her child WHO IS (ALIVE) AND IN JAIL FOR MURDER in the same sentence she speaks of the loss of those he murdered! .....Then she sends some extra clothes to that "child" she lost.  GIVE ME A FREAKING BREAK!

Me too!!!!!!


Here`s a question I have about the International Friends of Aruba Club that Anita is
STILL A PART OF - TO THIS DAY...

What in the heck do you have to do to be kicked out of it?

It doesn`t seem so *exclusive* to me.

Two brutal homicides on young women aren`t against the rules and regs?

EXACTLY!  Thanks Anna, that's what I was trying to say! 

Try not paying your dues would be my guess, lol.

Exactly Anna.  You said it better than me.

You make funny. but... you make ball go through hoop... and it go SWISH! You`re exactly right.

Remenber those first ten days when we were screaming for ALE to collect forensics and instead they refused, said we didn't understand their system, arrested two innocent men even though they knew they both had alibis and generally insulted Beth and all our intelligence.

We knew everything they said was a lie.  But so did they.  And now the whole world is looking at Peru and asking why couldn't Aruba have done at least some of the same things.

They refused to collect video tapes from all possible places Natalee could have been seen and even pretended all the cameras weren't working.

They are not even good liars and neither is Anita.

Most of the adults that had any dealings with the tourist knew the game the local boys were playing with drugging and raping the tourist girls on their last night on the island.  They apparently encouraged it and were totaly tolerant of it.  Boys will be boys and all that.

Even the police were aware and said so to Dave Holloway.  Yet they ALL failed to put a stop to it.  Why?  Did they really think they were so clever and would get away with it forever?

That's the kind of people who are the residents in Aruba, the movers and shakers anyway.  That's their morals.

And as for Anita, Joran apparently had a credit card to use for all his porn and learned all about sex from BangBus and BackSetBangers and such.  He was too stupid to know that is all fake and actors.  That's what he learned was normal. 

That's what exposure to porn too young does to young kids.  But apparently Anita and Paulus van der Sloot thought that was normal as well.  For them it evidently was and they have the homicidal maniac to prove it.

Gee, I wonder where Joran could have ever gotten the idea to devalue the "female role" watching crap like that?  Any idea, Anita?

That kind of thing goes beyond simple enabling, too.  It is more like creating a monster than just giving birth to one.

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Miss Anna,

Maybe he learned it from attending on of these IFA lady get togethers?

Buncha dirty ol` Aruban hens sitting around in farty bathrobes getting their feet all over the furniture.

Discussing wonderful books of the world. Like this one about -

The plight of the woman in a male dominated society.




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Hey man, fix me a beer... I`ll be here all week. Can I barf now?

 

Oh, yeah, I hear some professors from Oxford say Usama bin Laden took some wrong turns.  I have not seen Usama's mama defending him on TV.  How about you, Guys?

http://www.24ora.com/policial-mainmenu-8/19058-conoci-di-polis-ruben-webb-y-su-muher-deteni.html

Papiamentu translation:

conoci by police ruben webb deteni

sunday, 27 june 2010 21:46

diadomingo afternoon several unidad by police owing to being send in direccion by veld by monserat before one action serious. polisnan by north owing to arrive first. at arrival the problem among bringadornan owing to bolter because the super good conoci by police ruben webb y others owing to dicidi by arise cu police. police not owing to bacila before actua cu hand duro y esey was have her consecuencia for her assure ruben webb. webb owing to attain sufficient sla cu past owing to go bird till at hospital. also one police owing to attain sla y also have to owing to go chekup before see if past owing to saca braza for by lugar. on the photograph can see the sospechoso throw for by tino at hospital moviendo before saca potret. past owing to remain interna also after cu doctor owing to girl her situation. the is follow deteni.

http://www.awe24.com/?main&id=3807&offId=0&offDate=2010-6

4 hora happen | fecha: 27/06/2010 | horario: 20:36

police have to owing to interveni in action where the aggressor does not owing to hear by police y owing to resisti her detencion, police owing to resulta lesiona y owing to attain they self is using compel before controla the aggressor

diadomingo afternoon owing to come into informacion by one action at the veld by monserat, at once owing to dirigi one patrol at the sitio. at arrival by the patrol owing to constata cu was have one action y hour owing to ordena the aggressor for her stop ela follow y owing to ataca the agentenan till cu ela lesiona one agent at her schouder links, police before owing to succeed domine owing to haci usage by compel before so detene y hibe keep. at keep several agent have to owing to give one hand before glove hour cu the personal by ambulance owing to come before atende. they have to owing to fahe y boei the so self hour was hibando the belt before hospital the was inquieto. the aggressor is r.w. by kudawecha the pareha by the aggressor also owing to remain deteni. we not know the cause by the action but if cu owing to rekeri several police at the sitio.

(http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w214/iliketoN0KTEM/joraninperu.jpg)

http://issuu.com/themorningnews/docs/june_28?mode=embed&layout=http://skin.issuu.com/v/light/layout.xml

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/06282010_TheMorningNews_Joran.jpg)

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Where`s our girl?

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Good morning Monkeys!  Joran spins his life around gambling, drugs, sex and lies.  Anita spins her life around Joran.  Both are spinning out of control.  Joran is in prison and Anita's funds are being depleted.  Who will stop spinning first?  It will and has had an adverse affect on their family as a whole and only Joran and Anita can stop this cycle.  It's sad, but not one 100th as sad as what Beth and Dave have been through not knowing where their daughter is due to Joran Vandersnot.

Judge rejects Van der Sloot's unlawful detention motion
By the CNN Wire Staff
June 27, 2010 -- Updated 1713 GMT (0113 HKT)
Lima, Peru -- A Superior Court Judge in Lima, Peru, upheld the confession and incarceration of Joran van der Sloot in connection with the killing of Stefany Flores, officials said.

On Friday, Judge Wilder Casique Alvizuri declared as "unfounded" van der Sloot's habeas corpus claim that his constitutional rights were violated at the time of the confession because he was represented by a state-appointed attorney. Van der Sloot also claimed that his laptop had been improperly searched.

In an official press release, the judge said that the suspect had a translator made available to him during the three depositions he gave the police and that his laptop was sealed once delivered to the court.

Van der Sloot, a 22-year-old Dutch citizen, is jailed pending trial on charges of first-degree murder and robbery in the May 30 death in of Flores, a 21-year-old student.

While he remains a suspect in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway in Aruba in 2005, he has not been charged in that crime.

Memorable Quotes
(running list – help on attributes, additions WELCOME)

No body, no case
(Paulus van der Sloot, “poolside chat” with J2K, afternoon/evening 05/30/2005)

How did you get here so fast
(Paulus to “the Alabama posse,” early a.m.05/31 2005)

You do not have jurisdiction
(Paulus to “the Alabama posse,” early a.m. 05/31 2005)

I’ll have to eat my frosted flakes first
(Detective Dennis Jacobs, to Beth & Jug, 8:00 am or later that a.m., 05/31/2005)

Well how much money you got?
(Detective Dennis Jacobs, to Dave, 06/01/2005)

Well, just go on down to Carlos 'N Charlie's ... Watch your drink. That's one thing you better do is watch your drink
(Detective Dennis Jacobs, to Dave, 06/01/2005)

We can’t book people when we want… (like) a bunch of cowboys
(Karin Jannsen, Lead prosecutor in the Natalee Holloway disappearance, 06/03/05)
I could not find “rush in like cowboys” - msmarple

You know, you keep acting like this, Mr. Twitty, we're going to quit
(Karin Jannsen, Lead prosecutor in the Natalee Holloway disappearance, 06/03/05)

Something bad happened
(Deputy Chief Gerold Dompig to AP, attributing to “one of three young men,” 06/12/2005)

You just don't understand our legal system
(Arlene Ellis-Schipper – Date?)
I could not find this one. I tried several name spellings. Any ideas? - msmarple

Your own father, unbelievable
(Deepak to Joran, “secret recording” in polis van, 06/25/2005)

If they find that girl, then they will see that *hit
(Joran to 2K, “secret recording” in polis van, 06/25/2005)

They're going to give you fifteen years if they find the girl
(Deepak to Joran, “secret recording” in polis van, 06/25/2005)

Satish, why you guys lie to Mama?
(Nadia Ramirez, 2K’s mother, on Greta, 06/24/2005)

Come on, we all lie. We all lie. As big people I know that I lie sometimes
(Nadia Ramirez, 2K’s mother, on Dr. Phil show, 09/05/2005,)

Girls just get lost sometimes
(Angelina?? I don’t know anything about this one ?? )

Aruba's job was not to babysit Beth's daughter. Beth sent her daughter to swim with the sharks, she is responsible for what ever happened to Natalee
(Glenda, aka Julia Renfroe)

Counterpoint from msmarple:
Peru's job isn't to baby sit Joran. He came to Peru to gamble with the sharks. He is an adult, and responsible for his actions

I mean it's happened probably 20, 20 times nothing has ever gone wrong
(Joran to Greta, 03/03/2006)

If he gets in trouble later, he gives his concerned mother three thick kisses
(Interview with Floor Ligtvoet, printed in BN DeStem, March 30, 2006, Thursday 03/03/2006)

A delicious adolescent, he is simply a delicious youth! (sometimes translated/quoted as “boy” and “sporter” instead of “youth”)
(Anita, from the same BN DeStem article, Thursday 03/03/2006)

msmarple includes this one because, well, just because:
We have no alien necessary that ounce come say how unsafely our island is. An Aruban who such call things, calls I to a country traitor, lets stand to an alien who gives a bad name to Aruba abroad. That is still more terrible
(Rudy Croes (MEP) of justice, 11/16/2006)

I am a sporter
(Anita, quoting Joran, to Greta, 02/12/2008)

That Mother, she just wouldn't go away!
(Joran? Anita? to ? re. Beth, date ? - can anyone find this one ?? I thought it was in the Peter dV tape but couldn’t find it)

Why does this *hit always happen to me?
(Joran to Patrick, Peter de Vries tape, aired 02/03/2008)

They didn't behave like a normal family with a missing daughter
(Joran? Anita? date? )

And I'd be good with a "Midnight Express" prison anywhere for Joran
(Beth to Greta, 11/19/2008)

So much bad luck sometimes
(Joran, text message to Melody Granadillo, est. 06/03/2010 – “the day of his arrest”)

Wow to that from comment from Jan Brennan. I think we always KNEW IT... knew it deep down. But to see someone so detached from societal norms is rather shocking.

The Sloots always presented themselves as "our betters". They were the creme de la creme of the upper intelligencia. Paulus was a judge in training / attorney / contract expert. Anita, the do-gooding teacher with nothing but a deep desire to raise children to an elevated state of consciousness.

This was so far from the truth it would make most heave when the actual facts became clear. These Sloots are not anyone's betters, not the upper intelligentsia, and all have broken moral compasses. There is nothing redeeming here at all. And it's funny how some worship the gravel they walk on. Some have very very low standards.

Walking around with your nose in the air does not make you a genius, only a pompous ass. Having an elite clique like the IFA doesn't mean you are some sort of gift to mankind. In fact, these Sloots are extremely low on the humanity scale. It only goes a few floors lower to the Mengele / Hitler level where water reaches their level.

Defending these criminals reveals more about those doing the defending than the criminals themselves - after-all, everyone knows that the Sloots are morally bankrupt, but we do get to know you alot better from comments such as Jan Brennan's.

Natalee wasn't big on the news because she was a beautiful white girl from Alabama. Natalee was on the news for one very powerful, strong, amazing reason....
BETH HOLLOWAY!!!!

http://www.cbs42.com/content/localnews/story/Joran-van-der-Sloot-Latest/0R38cPS4oUWRKqZzvW9FQA.cspx

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Joran van der Sloot Latest

Last Update: 7:03 am

Birmingham, Al (WIAT)  Joran van der Sloot is running out of legal challenges as he fights a murder charge in Peru, an extortion charge here in Alabama and faces years in a deadly Peruvian prison.

Van der Sloot is in custody in Peru charged with the murder of Peruvian student Stephany Flores who he met at a poker tournament and who turned up dead in van der Sloot's hotel room.  Peruvian police have a ton of physical evidence plus a confession from van der Sloot.  His attempts to throw out that confession claiming it was coerced have been rejected by a Peruvian judge.

In a grisly turn of timing, Flores was murdered five years to the day after the disappearance of Mountain Brook teen Natalee Holloway on a graduation trip to Aruba.  Van der Sloot is the prime suspect in that case as well.  Although questioned several times by Aruban police, he has never been charged.

He also faces federal charges of extortion here in Alabama.  The FBI and U.S. attorney claim van der Sloot offered to inform the grieving Holloway family of Natalee's whereabouts....took money... and took off without providing any information.

Here are some recent articles elsewhere about the van der Sloot case:

Another oldie but goodie, I stumbled across it a couple of days ago.

I am being repeatedly asked the same questions and I am sick and tired of that. (Deepak Kalpoe`s answer to a question in a missing persons investigation - June 30, 2005 P.V.)

Hoping for some new developments today, like Urine tried to commit suicide or someone tried to attack him, or anything else of that nature that will make my day! Anita has blood on her hands as far as I am concerned. Thats all I have to say!

http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2010-06-28/natalee-holloways-disappearance-and-search-for-her-body?cid=hp:mainpromo5


Will Natalee's Father Find Her?

Armed with a map drawn by alleged killer Joran van der Sloot, Dave Holloway is searching for his daughter's remains in Aruba. Barbie Latza Nadeau reports on the authorities in his way.

The Bubali Bird Sanctuary is a tranquil oasis on the northwestern edge of the tiny Caribbean island of Aruba. Throughout the year thousands of migratory birds nest in the overgrown swamplands that are fed with purified water from the island’s sewage treatment plant nearby. The large area is freely accessible by public roads that wind around the two manmade lakes. Local teens often use the secluded inlets to throw parties or make love in their cars.

Natalee Holloway’s father Dave believes that his daughter’s remains are somewhere in these thick wetlands. Joran van der Sloot, the primary suspect in Holloway’s disappearance, now in jail in Lima, Peru after confessing to the murder of 21-year-old Stephany Flores, drew a map last February, showing exactly where he and the Kalpoe brothers left her body in the early morning hours of May 30, 2005. Van der Sloot drew the map for Jaap Amersz, Holland’s most famous reality television star, who spent months cultivating a close friendship with Van der Sloot, who loved the idea of befriending someone so famous and readily fell for the trap. Amersz then sold the story and the map to the Dutch tabloid Der Telegraaf which refused to run the piece and instead turned the damning information over to Aruban authorities, who chose to ignore it as “fantasy."

Now Holloway’s father has the map. He is in Aruba with Tim Miller, the head of Equusearch, a private firm based in Texas that specializes in finding missing persons—dead or alive. But the Aruban authorities are prohibiting Holloway from conducting his own private search. Aruban prosecutor Peter Blanken said that the police are worried that Holloway will “jeopardize” their ongoing investigation or that evidence might be “contaminated” if it is not collected by the authorities.

Miller is the defacto spokesman for Holloway and he told reporters that the death of Stephany Flores could have been prevented had the Arubans followed several leads after Holloway’s disappearance. But he also worries that the Arubans are trying to keep what happened to Natalee a secret. Whether out of fear that it will taint the island’s reputation as a safe tourist haven, or whether they are covering up for corruption within their ranks, the Aruban authorities have clearly done very little to help the Holloway family find their daughter. “[Dave Holloway] feels that if the Arubans had done their job, Joran would be in jail and Stephany would be alive.”

Prior to his arrest in Santiago, Chile earlier this month, Van der Sloot had confessed multiple times to his involvement in Holloway’s presumed death. But in Aruba, where his father was a prominent member of the local judiciary, the cops acted as if they were under pressure not to follow up on the most obvious leads, including the disappearance of a large crab cage that had gone missing from the local fishing grounds around the time of Holloway’s disappearance. Van der Sloot’s friends Deepak and Satish Kalpoe were the last three people to be seen with Holloway alive when she got into their car outside the Carlos ’n Charlie’s Casino on May 30, 2005. In the days after her disappearance, they gave ample clues to the cops and to Holloway’s parents and friends, who had descended on the island like a SWAT team upon hearing of Natalee’s disappearance. In a now-famous encounter, Natalee’s parents and friends stood outside the van der Sloot home shouting “Where’s Natalee?”

With the cops largely uncooperative, Beth Holloway and her supporters confronted Joran and Paulus van der Sloot and the Kalpoe brothers on numerous occasions, according to Holloway’s heart wrenching book Loving Natalee. In it, she describes a vivid scene where she is sitting in a rental car while Joran describes making out with Natalee, giving vivid details of her “underwear with the dark blue embroidery and the flowers.” Holloway wonders why, if he was with her intimately the night she disappeared, he was ever allowed to go free. She describes a scene in which she holds up a picture of Natalee to Joran. “I want my daughter back,” she yells at Joran. “Give her back.”

She then describes how, even though Van der Sloot and the Kalpoe brothers admit to being the last to see her, she cannot secure a search warrant for either the boys’ houses or the car Natalee was seen getting into. “It’s apparent right off the bat that privilege and political standing will present a much greater obstacle than the language barrier ever would,” writes Beth Holloway. “What happened surrounding Natalee’s disappearance is bizarre enough without having to be contrived or embellished.”

These are the scenes that haunt Natalee’s parents, who feel that now that Joran is in custody, they may finally get their answers—if they are allowed to proceed.

Barbie Latza Nadeau, author of the Beast Book Angel Face, about Amanda Knox, has reported from Italy for Newsweek Magazine since 1997. She also writes for CNN Traveller, Budget Travel Magazine and Frommer's.



For inquiries, please contact The Daily Beast at editorial@thedailybeast.com

Rob-

This sense of entitlement that so many on Aruba have exhibited is also due to the tiny microcosm they all choose to live within. If you succeed in shutting out the world at large, and falsely and egotistically believe the world revolves around you, a sense of entitlement is the least of it.

To truly live in today's world intelligently and globally, wouldn't allow that mindset to continue to thrive as it does on Aruba.

The entire island is built upon a parasitic economy of tourism..........people are just commodities to them, no humanity is involved.

Joran Quotes from Current Affair

 9/26/2005


It is just sad what some people do.
(when people speculate and try to make sense of what happened to Natalee)


That is why, in the beginning, I thought she ran away with someone on the island. She ran away with a beach bum. I don’t know.


One day, I will explain exactly what happened, but, right now, I don’t feel ready to do that.



And she wanted to come with us. And, it was probably a bad choice. We probably should have told her she had to get out of the car when her friend told her she had to get out of the car and then nothing would've happened.



Well, because, obviously, all of us lied. We agreed to lie. I was the first one that changed my story.  I don’t think they liked that, so they changed their story. And it, eventually everything went towards the truth.



I am not covering for them at all. And, I would not cover for them in such a big case with so many people got involved. (on covering for the Kalpoe`s)



I don’t know. I really don’t know what kind of expression she had on her face. I don’t even know what you mean with the question. (psychopaths have problems reading facial expressions)



They can see it's obvious, if someone were to read the thing, it is ALMOST impossible that a crime was committed. (Joran talks about the police seeing the time he got home)



Well, that is what I think it maybe one of the good points about me; I really don’t care what people think about me.



We didn’t do much. I read a lot of books. I studied for school. There is a lot of things. We played soccer there. Yeah. I tried to keep myself busy and not think too much. (Joran on what he did while in Aruban prison)



The Aruban interrogators might have been a little kinder than the Dutch interrogators. Because, they really try to make you look guilty, even if you are not guilty or not.

Me too. I hope that he got in to a fight or something like that so he will not get the 2 for 1. Yesterday I read the FB mas made by SF's family and one of SF cousins wrote something really nice for SF an NH. But the way she talks about Anita.. you can tell that they don't know who is Anita.

As far as finding Natalie's body, I don't blame the father for still looking but sadly I think the story where Urine said he had help dumping her out in the ocean is true. I think thats what he did.

Hi cecilita!

They will find out in due time, just like Natalee`s family did.

They also have the added benefit of being able to pick up the phone and call the Holloway`s to compare notes, this time.

I think this will speed the learning curve. :)

I guarantee you - if what Joran Van der sloot did to Natalee Holloway was enacted on the daughter`s of:

George Walker Bush Jr.

Richard Bruce "Dick" Cheney

or

Barack Hussein Obama II

This thing would have been over in WEEKS, not YEARS.


There is a lot of unfairness and unequal justice in the world in which we live.

old SM post - worthy of rebroadcast:

Meet the Zeolla's..Rick is the GM of the Marriott in Aruba and his Wife is the president of the IFA and both are very close to the Van Der Sloots. Mashelle helped guide the first searches for Natalee in the city while leatherneck Renfro guided the searches outside of the city. Both took pictures with Anita at the IFA cocktail party celebrating Jorans release from prison before it happened. The IFA'S members include the Van Der Sloots,Purcells,Pesqueras,Charles Croes,Julia Renfro,Angela Muzzlebutt and I suspect others that you do not know by name,but see their lies posted about Natalee on the internet.

They offer a important alibi for PVDS picking up sebastian at 6:30 PM at the Zeolla household the night of May 29th 2005. The reason it is important is because PVDS is lying about it. It appears from the casino video that PVDS never left the casino and was drinking,gambling and talking to Natalee Holloway two hours later and just a few hours before she dissapeared forever.

(link works - edition has been taken offline)
Pages 96 and 74 http://www.island-temptations.com/

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The ZEOLLA FAMILY:

International Friends of Aruba - but they play International Friends to Natalee Holloway`s family on television.


If these people are your friends - You might as well shoot yourself.

You don`t need enemies.


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Dave & Tim need to pay the Kalpoe boys a visit.

Beth's word quoted from her book .. along with my personal opinions.

It is not just the Kalpoes ..BUT They do know all..

Jorans pattern of behavior with Stephanie shows us that THEY most likely took Natalee too a donated Hotel Room back in 2005 on the roack called ARUBA..

This implicates Hotel personal as well as Casino Personal and last but not least Carlos and Charlies employees.
Then later it involves LE such as Van stratten and his buddies and after that it involves Judges like Smid..

Pull one string and ARUBA comes apart at the seams.

Keep Joran isolated from ANYBODY associated to the rock called ARUBA. Joran will sing one day soon...
jmho

 

Good Afternoon, Monkeys,

I have to wonder if Anita is going to start trashing Joran's latest victim, Stephany, the way she did Natalee.  Anita said several times that "that girl" should never have gone in the car that way.  The implication was that anything that happened after that must be her own fault.

If she is still in that mode, she will say Stephany should never have gone in that hotel room.  Maybe then the Flores will understand how Anita thinks and what she has taught that monster.

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Expert: Van der Sloot's Legal Strategies Are Baffling

(June 28) -- Accused murderer Joran van der Sloot's legal strategy is doomed to failure and an appeal of his reported confession won't succeed, an international defense expert says.

A judge in Lima, Peru, on Friday upheld van der Sloot's alleged confession in the murder of a Peruvian business student, and his attorney announced his plans to appeal.

"The appeal will go before a three-judge panel, but it's not going to go anywhere," says Michael Griffith, senior partner at the International Legal Defense Counsel. "They're not going to let him go on a technicality at this point. They've got too much evidence against him -- the video of him coming in and out of the room, his statements, her blood on his shirt and his consciousness of guilt in fleeing."

Van der Sloot, a longtime suspect in the disappearance of U.S. teen Natalee Holloway, is accused of the May 30 slaying of 21-year-old Stephany Flores, who was found dead in van der Sloot's hotel room in Lima on June 2. Van der Sloot has been charged with first-degree murder and robbery in the case.


Griffith has counseled and represented clients in more than 40 countries on a variety of charges. His most renowned case, involving an American incarcerated in a Turkish prison, was the basis for the film and book "Midnight Express."

If convicted of Flores' murder, van der Sloot faces 15 to 35 years in prison. In light of that possibility, Griffith said he finds van der Sloot's current strategy baffling.

"This guy is doing nothing right," Griffith says. "He should be cooperating, so he has a chance to get a better deal. He has no chance of being found not guilty. He's a complete moron."

In the days following van der Sloot's arrest, officials in Peru announced he had made a full confession to Flores' murder. Van der Sloot allegedly said he broke Flores' neck in a fit of rage after she allegedly used his laptop to find out about his involvement in the Holloway case.

"I did not want to do it," van der Sloot allegedly said about the attack. "The girl intruded into my private life. She had no right. I went to her, and I hit her. She was scared. We argued, and she tried to escape. I grabbed her by the neck, and I hit her."

The Dutchman has since retracted that confession, claiming he was arrested without a warrant and was not provided with an official translator, which he says caused confusion during questioning.

"All this with the intention of pressuring me to accuse [myself] of homicide," the Dutch native said in the complaint, obtained by the Peruvian news program "24 Hours."

Superior Court Judge Wilder Casique Alvizuri spent nearly a week examining the evidence in the case before ruling that van der Sloot's claim that his habeas corpus rights had been violated were "unfounded." Alvizuri said he determined van der Sloot not only had a state-appointed attorney present during his depositions but also a Dutch-Spanish translator.

The chief judge of Lima's Superior Court, Cesar Vega, recently told reporters that Peruvian laws allow up to six months for a murder trial, but Griffith says he doubts the case will go to trial that quickly.

"If he pleads guilty, yes, but if he wants an adversarial trial, it will take at least two or three years," Griffith said.

http://www.aolnews.com/world/article/defense-expert-says-joran-van-der-sloots-legal-strategies-are-baffling/19533765

Once it finally sinks in to Joran that he is out of options or appeals -- he will go "scorched earth" and will start throwing everyone under the bus.

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_74513.php

American customs officer to appear before the judge
26 Jun, 2010, 08:17 (GMT -04:00)


ORANJESTAD — An American customs officer will have to appear before the judge within short. The customs officer is to give evidence in a drug smuggling case.

A pro forma session for the case against suspect W.I.B. was held yesterday. The latter was caught with drug packages in his suitcase on March 1st 2010. According to the suspect, the customs officer had told him there were no drugs in his suitcase. However, the police statement mentioned the opposite and the customs officer confirmed the suitcase contained drugs. In order to remove all obscurity, the officer of justice decided to call the customs officer in question to testify. This will take place on July 2nd, when the case is continued.

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_74514.php

ATF officers in KIA
26 Jun, 2010, 08:17 (GMT -04:00)

ORANJESTAD — The American M.W.P. stated before the judge yesterday, that American narcotics officers had interrogated him in the KIA prison. Apparently, this occurred with permission of the Public Prosecutor (OM).
The suspect was caught at Reina Beatrix airport on March 1st this year when he wanted to smuggle drugs to the United States.

American officers had visited the suspect in prison because they wanted to know more about the drugs in connection with an extensive investigation in the United States.

During the session on Friday, the suspect’s lawyer stated that the US wants his client to be extradited to America. However, the officer of Justice said he knew nothing about this and had not received an extradition request. Moreover, the judge stated, the American authorities have nothing to say about the court procedure on Aruba. According to the OM, the case will be tried here. If America wants to have the male extradited after the criminal case is tried, then one must simply follow the normal extradition procedure, according to the officer. The judge will try the case as regards contents on July 29th.

Another interesting article out of Aruba. What was the ATF thinking? Don't the know they have to inform the judges and get thier permission first.(sarcasm)

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_74514.php

ATF officers in KIA
26 Jun, 2010, 08:17 (GMT -04:00)
 
 
ORANJESTAD — The American M.W.P. stated before the judge yesterday, that American narcotics officers had interrogated him in the KIA prison. Apparently, this occurred with permission of the Public Prosecutor (OM).
The suspect was caught at Reina Beatrix airport on March 1st this year when he wanted to smuggle drugs to the United States.
American officers had visited the suspect in prison because they wanted to know more about the drugs in connection with an extensive investigation in the United States.
During the session on Friday, the suspect’s lawyer stated that the US wants his client to be extradited to America. However, the officer of Justice said he knew nothing about this and had not received an extradition request. Moreover, the judge stated, the American authorities have nothing to say about the court procedure on Aruba. According to the OM, the case will be tried here. If America wants to have the male extradited after the criminal case is tried, then one must simply follow the normal extradition procedure, according to the officer. The judge will try the case as regards contents on July 29th.

 

I am beginning to think that Joran axtually believed he "got away with it" in Aruba.  He doesn't seem to undrstand that it took half the the island to cover for him.  I believe he really thinks he committed the perfect crime.

Now he is confused when he can't get the same results in Peru.

I'm not as fast as Klaas. LOL

IFA MAN - Peter DeWitte (ex Aruba Chief of Police)


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So who is the American in Kia that tried to smuggle drugs FROM Aruba to the US?

MWP? (Michael Posner.....Mark Purcell....Mark Purcell Jr.....someone we've never heard of likely)

http://abclocal.go.com/wls/story?section=news&id=3936339

Aruban casino boss had ties to Chicago mob
Thursday, February 23, 2006


By Chuck Goudie

February 23, 2006 (WLS) -- Authorities on the island of Aruba have not been able to solve the mystery of what happened to Alabama teenager Natalie Holloway. She disappeared while on a high school trip last spring. The ABC7 I-Team has learned new details about the casino where Holloway was last seen, an Aruba casino run by a convicted high-ranking Chicago mobster.

The unsolved disappearance of 18-year-old Natalie Holloway has commanded worldwide attention. It has been widely reported that the last place Holloway was known to be alive was the Excelsior casino connected to the Holiday Inn where she and her classmates were staying.

The I-Team has learned that the casino where Holloway was last seen is operated by Chicagoan Michael Posner. The intelligence report on Posner lists him as a prominent member of the Chicago outfit for more than 40 years.

According to federal law enforcement, Michael Posner's most recent mob assignment was boss of illegal rackets in the north suburbs. Posner was convicted in 1987 of threatening wayward gamblers with death and running prostitutes out of this Lake County strip club.

Through his Chicago lawyer, Posner maintains that he has been clean for 15 years and since 1998 has operated the Excelsior casino on the Caribbean resort on the island of Aruba.

Last May, honor student Natalie Holloway was staying at the resort on her high school graduation trip when she disappeared. One of the last places she was seen alive was in Posner's Excelsior casino.

In security tape obtained by ABC News, Holloway is seen at a table seated next to Joran van der Sloot, a local who is the prime suspect in the case. Van der Slout admits having had a romantic encounter with Holloway, but in an exclusive interview to air Thursday night on Primetime, he says he is no criminal.

"I think I've been portrayed unfairly. I've been portrayed as a murderer and a rapist and everything that I'm not," van der Sloot said.

Casino boss Michael Posner denies that he knows van der Sloot and denies ever extending him casino credit. Posner's lawyer Allan Ackerman says Posner was in Chicago when Holloway vanished and returned to Aruba the day after.

Now 64 years old, here's the intelligence report on Michael William Posner: (MWP)

    * aka Michael Rubins and Irving Goldstein.

    * his family still resides in Riverwoods.

    * his criminal profile lists involvement in illegal gambling, strip clubs and vending machines.

    * criminal history dates to 1960 includes numerous arrests and successful tax and racketeering prosecutions.

Posner says it was he who voluntarily turned over this casino surveillance tape to Aruban authorities and that he is furious they have allowed ABC News to broadcast it.

Posner says he has paid the expenses for private investigators to come here and assist in the search for Holloway and according to his lawyer: "He has nothin' to do with nothing" in the murder case.

You can see the ABC7 report by clicking on the video icon above.  You will need Windows Media Player 9 or higher to view this video. You can get it FREE by clicking here. NOTE: Video clips will only be available for 5-days from the date they were created. ALSO: Video clips will play in a separate window on Mac OS X machines, you may also see a video help screen.

Jean Casarez was just on HLN.  She was showing the courtroom and benches, etc. at Ccastro Castro prison yet again.  She certainly has gotten the mileage out of that little snippet of film.

Then she told the news we have known for days that the judge declared Joran's complaints baseless.

She further said the attorney of Joran said he will attempt to paralyze the proceedings.  And he will appeal the ruling on the confession and take the rights charges to the international organization for human rights in the Americas that we knew about Friday.

But she pointed out repeatedly that it is Joran's attorney seeking to "paralyze" (his word) the proceedings.

Well, of course  he would like to do that.  And that internatonal organization does not have any authority.  They can only make recommendations and can't enforce anything so he is just taking Anita's media money for a ride.

Showboat and charge a lot seem to be his strategy.


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Surely at 70 plus years of age, Posner is not acting as a drug mule.

I thought the Chicago Mob had a better retirement plan than that, lol.

Wouldn't it be something if it is one of the Purcell's?  Now that would be some major karma!

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Good. The longer the trial of Joran takes, the sooner the money for his defense will run out.

I posted them both in the last thread, lol. 

The MWP initials are different in other articles.

Hey, if you can spare the time today... be sure and swing by the KPA Aruban Police website and light them the ef up! A lot of people are telling them what is on their minds about what was done to Natalee and her family.

....and that`s a good thing.

Remember: Any help, is a lot of help.



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Date:     6/17/2010, 4:16 pm, GMT +1
Name:     JUS4ALL
Number:     148



HEY MISTER EX BRITISH PLICE OFFICER, I GUESS THE QUEEN WON'T BE TOO HPPY WITH YOUR SPLLING, WHAT LAWS DO YOU HAVE IN JOLLY OLD ENGLAND?

ONCE MORE FOR THE LEGALLY IMPAIRED, THE ARUBAN POLICE WORK UNDER DUTCH LAW AND THE DUTCH LAW, JUST LIKE EVERY OTHER LAW. HAS IT'S LIMITATIONS/SHORT COMINGS.

I GUESS YOU GUYS NEVER BOTCHED A CASE, I GUESS THAT IS WHY THE ENGLISH AND IRISH ARE GETTING ALONG SO LOVINGLY.

PLEASE GIVE ME/US A BREAK, MR EX BRITISH PLICE OFFICER.



Date:     6/17/2010, 2:56 pm, GMT +1
Name:     Andy
Email:     ultramac01@msn.com
Number:     147



As an Ex British plice officer who has followed the Holloway case, I feel that the Aruban Police are totally incompetent. It is evident that Van der Sloots family's connections have helped him 'Get Away with Murder'



Date:     6/16/2010, 2:25 pm, GMT +1
Name:     JUS4ALL
Number:     146



THEORY:
THE FBI HAS A STING ON JORAN BECAUSE HE ASKED FOR MONEY IN RETURN FOR INFO ON THE LOCATION WHERE NATALEE'S BODY WAS BURIED, RIGHT?

QUESTION:
WHERE THEY TRACKING HIS WHEREABOUTS?
ALL OF A SUDDEN THEY CAN COME UP WITH THE INFORMATION THAT HE HAS A BUSSINESS IN THAILAND, HE WAS COLOMBIA AND HE WENT TO PERU.
SO BASICALLY I BELIEVE THE FBI KNEW EXACTLY WHERE JORAN WAS AND WHAT HE WAS DOING.

QUESTION:
WHERE THEY WATCHING HIM?
DID THEY HAVE OPERATIVES ON HIM IN PERU?
DID THEY EVER NOTIFY THEIR BUREAU IN PERU THAT JORAN WAS THERE?
IF THEY DID, WHY DID THEY LET HIM APPROACH ANOTHER YOUNG GIRL IN THE SAME WAY HE MET NATALEE (CASINO)?

THERE ARE ALOT OF HOLES THAT NEED TO BE FILLED, JUST SOMETHING TO MAKE YOU GO HMMMMMMMMM



Date:     6/16/2010, 2:11 pm, GMT +1
Name:     JUS4ALL
Number:     145



CATHY I UNDERSTAND YOUR POINT OF VIEW BUT A CRIME IS STILL A CRIME NO MATTER HOW MUCH PEOPLE RESIDE IN THAT COUNTRY. MY POINT IS PEOPLE LIKE EJOHN303, NANCY GRACE, BILL O'REILLY MAKE COMMENTS GENERALIZING OUR PEOPLE, OUR CULTURE AS TO BEING IDIOTS AND CORRUPT. THE ARUBAN AUTHORITIES DID EVERYTHING WITHIN THE PARAMETERS OF THE DUTCH LAW, AND I REPEAT THE DUTCH LAW, NOT THE AMERICAN OR THE PERUVIAN LAW AND STILL THEY MAKE COMMENTS THAT ARE HURTFULL AND DEGRADING ABOUT MY ISLAND OF WHICH THEY KNOW NOTHING ABOUT. THEY COME TO ARUBA AND THEY TAKE PICTURES OF THE DRUG ADDICTS AND SLUMS THEY LIVE IN JUST TO GET RATINGS. BUT THEY NEVER SPOKE TO THE GENERAL POPULATION. THEY NEVER TALKED ABOUT ALL THE WORKERS THAT WERE GIVEN DAYS OFF SO THEY CAN HELP IN THE SEARCH OF NATALEE NO ONE IS TALKING ABOUT THAT. AS FOR YOUR INFLUX OF MEXICANS AND CUBANS YOU THINK WE DON'T HAVE THE SAME PROBLEM? YOU THINK WE REACHED A POPULATION OF 100,000 JUST BY HAVING KIDS?

IN YOUR 360,000,000 AND STILL GROWING USA,THERE ARE DECENT PEOPLE THAT REPSECT LIFE AND THE LAW BUT THERE IS ALSO THAT DARK SIDE THAT DOESN'T REPSECT LIFE NOR THE LAW AND THAT IS WHAT PISSES ME OFF WHEN THEY WANT TO PAINT US, AS AN ISLAND, AS A DEN OF PIRATES AND THIEVES, AND THEY HAVE THE SAME SITUATION IN AMERICA 1000000 TIMES WORST THAN US. SO DON'T COME JUDGE US WHEN TWO BLOCKS DOWN FROM YOUR OR SOME HOUSE IN THE GREAT US OF A, SOMEONE IS SELLING DRUGS, KIDNAPPING A PERSON OR BEING KILLED, GO AND RALLY AGAINST THAT. GO ONLINE AND COMMENT ABOUT HOW YOUR LAWS ARE NOT WORKING TO STOP CRIME IN AMERICA.

KARMA HAS CAUGHT UP WITH JORAN AND NOW HE WILL PAY FOR HIS CRIMES AND THE STAIN HE HAS BROUGHT ON MY ISLAND. I DON'T WANT HIM EXTRADITED, I PRAY THAT NOTHING HAPPENS TO HIM IN THE PERUVIAN JAIL SO HE CAN SIT OUT HIS WHOLE SENTENCE AND SUFFER FOR WHAT HE DID TO THOSE TWO YOUNG GIRLS. YES BRAVO CHILE AND PERU GOOD JOB NOW LOCK HIS ....... UP.



Date:     6/16/2010, 12:38 am, GMT +1
Name:     LYNN
Number:     144



BRAVO !! To Chilean Police...........
BRAVO !! To Peruvian Police......



Date:     6/15/2010, 11:39 pm, GMT +1
Name:     CATHY
Number:     143



THE ONLY THING THAT MATTERS IS THAT HE HAS BEEN CAUGHT. IT'S JUST A SHAME THAT ANOTHER PERSON HAD TO DIE FIRST. AS FOR THE LOG IN THE EYE OF THE US JUS4ALL, ARUBA HAS A POPULATION OF 110,000 THATS A VERY SMALL CITY HERE. THE US HAS 360,000,000 AND GROWING EVERY YEAR BECAUSE OF ALL THE MEXICANS AND CUBANS POURING IN. AND WITH THE GROWING POPULATION, THE CRIME RATE ALSO GROWS. SO I GUESS ALL OF YOUR STATISTICS WOULD BE VERY SMALL COMPARED TO THE US.



Date:     6/15/2010, 1:43 pm, GMT +1
Name:     JUS4ALL
Number:     142



hey ejohn303@yahoo.com you are the idiot, if you came to aruba and committed a murder believe you me, the Arubans will want to lynch your ass aswell. How stupid are you? If I were Peruvian I would want justice also, Joran committed the crime in Peru of course the people want to kill him. Why don't you go in the streets and attack all the drug dealers that are killing your young kids everyday with the drugs they are selling, oohhhhhh sorry you don't have the balls for that. I am sure your sitting in your safe little home do something about that. Coward. Furthermore we in Aruba don't need no narrow minded people here on our island go somewhere else where we don't have to put up with your ignorance and arrogance.



Date:     6/14/2010, 11:42 pm, GMT +1
Name:     John
Email:     ejohn303@yahoo.com
Number:     141



Thankfully there is a county on this planet that knows how to deal with murderers like Joran. The Aruba police are complete idiots. All of these postings attest to that. There is no justice there. I would never set foot on that piece of crap island. The people in Peru are outraged as they should be. I don't recall any scenes like that happening in Aruba regarding Natalee. With any luck Juran is tortured in prison until he tells the world of all of his killings. As for his family, let him waste away in prison rather than spend your last few dollars defending him.


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Foot on the neck; don`t ever let them breathe.

The Chicago Outfit has a great retirement plan..

A 9mm

I figured you posted already, LOL.  Wouldn't it be something if it's Posner?  I don't think the Purcell's because I believe their middle name is Ivan.

Posner is right in the middle of this whole thing..

His lawyer stated in 2005.. Posner has nothin to do with nothin..
Spoken like a East Coast attorney from Chicago representing Mob figures.

It would not surprize me as Luis Mansur did not surprize me and as you all know Luis and Eric are on my list too.
Luis for his drug dealing and people that fear him .. Eric for the production of the Gardner witness.

I do not trust any of them.. lol
sorry
Throw in the owners of Carlos and Charlies too.

I was thinking the same.

Peter R. de Vries has had enough of Joran

Posted on Saturday, June 26, 2010 at 11:00

Peter R. de Vries has had it with Joran van der Sloot. He does not plan to report all the developments from Peru surrounding the murder suspect. "The news is now literally provided from hour to hour on internet sites. I follow everything but don't think it has any added value if I will go to Peru myself," he says in Veronica Magazine. "I'll leave that to the media who previously accused me of being on a witch hunt against Joran."

http://www.mediacourant.nl/?p=73422

I don't blame him.  He tried and nobody would listen.  Now Stephany is murdered by Joran.  I don't blame him for not wanting to spend the time and money traveling to Peru. 

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Never as fast as you Texasmom. Thanks, I don't know how I missed it.

That, and IMO there is no need for him to be/go there now.
Peru is handling the case just fine, with a little help from karma. ;-)

Before the trial, they are keeping him in protective custody, easy time relative to being in gen pop. When he is convicted, this " easy time " counts as time served aganist the sentence. My guess, my opinion as to why he wants to stall and play these games.

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Tuesday, February 6th, 2007, 07:45 AM

charlescroes 
IFA Aruba Expert


If you are originally from another country (who isn’t) and live on Aruba on a temporary basis, it would scare you to know just how many times the following question is asked:

“What is it like to live on Aruba and aside from the tourist stuff, what is there to do for the locals?”

The answer to that is that since a great part of our commerce and the related activities rely on tourism, getting away from those types of activities or social events is difficult…... however, there is a group called IFA that are international families here on the island and they gather (on their home away from home – Aruba) and have some very interesting activities.

IFA families are here from the USA, Surinam, various Caribbean islands including Cuba, Holland and the rest of the planet and mostly and for the better part - on a temporary basis to head up projects or handle significant responsibilities. When speaking to any of them you can be assured to not be bored. Iris and I became members of IFA late last year. We were able to join since Iris (my wife) is from Cuba and qualified as one of those non-Aruba people living here - in any event the joining has been one of those things that happens when you are lucky and in the right place at the right time. In our case, a delightful gal named Sophie and another friend named Douglass got us in.

Our first real experience with IFA was a Halloween thing last year. The route was mapped out and – there we were- in the midst of an Aruban neighborhood and culture, dressed like ghouls, skeletons and pirates walking from one pre-selected house to the other. The local folks looked out the windows and doors and I suppose drew some conclusions about this wild bunch. Towards the end of the year IFA organized a Christmas gathering so the IFA kids could experience Santa Clause the Dutch way. Swarte Piet all black with chimney dust and a big fat Santa (Sinterklaas) were there to make sure that the children all got a taste of the Aruba (Dutch) tradition. The mix of Holloween and Sinterklaas tells it all. The children (and adults) not only had an event to go to but they gained (at least I did) from it in a cultural and social sense. It was the sharing of what it is we are all about.

Recently, there was a gathering at one of the homes of one of the IFA members. It was to get to know each other again. You have to keep in mind that this group has the potential to be a transient one. Here today and transferred tomorrow. In any event, Iris and I went and one minute I found myself having one of the most interesting conversations with the man in charge of the Dutch military and the next with the gentleman in charge of sales and marketing for DIGICEL. Later in the evening we spoke to a very interesting lady about the different kinds of oils in the world and then - in a flash – the topic moved on to how the kids adjust to Aruba and what kind of puppies they have. The folks that donated their home for this meeting were gracious and made it a point to not be hosts as much as just be a part of what was going on.

So . …. What is the point of this? It is to share that here, on Aruba, on this tiny little rock floating in the Caribbean – families from different cultures find each other and find things in common. Families talk about back home and their new home. Some of the guys predicted the Superbowl while others wondered what it was. Ladies organized artistic and reading meetings where thoughts would be shared and cultures would be bridged. As we sat in our corner talking about the oils of the world, yet another IFA member joined and there – in her faded jeans (you know – the ones that cost a million bucks) and invited us to a “Cook and Taste” event. This one we will have to host ourselves. Anyway, when I asked the ‘Cook and Taste’ lady “So what do you do here?” she came back with a remark along the lines of “Care for my family”. A classic and perfect response to a stupid question. By the way, she is a lawyer back in D.C. And the night went on – talking and discovering the many talents that reside on Aruba and the nice folks that are here to lend those talents to the growth of our society.

When asked “What is it that you do here on Aruba?” The response could be “I am a member of and go to IFA meetings” Would it make sense? No. But perhaps these few words I just wrote can help to give insight into the non-tourism world on this very tourism oriented island.

Be well

charles


http://bb.visitaruba.com/f36/non-local-local-aruba-parties-6216/

really? get your money back!!

Texasmom - if you see this.  What does KFC have to do with this American MWP that was caught trying to take drugs to America?  Any idea?

http://www.diario.aw/2010/06/un-acusado-mericano-kier-worde-husga-na-merca-mientras-caso-atraco-kentucky-fried-chicken-posponi/

Just from the link you posted -- something about a KFC robbery case being postponed

I will try to read the article later.

I am not translating Pap :-) I am trying to translate the Spanish sounding stuff. lol

I don't think I helped much. lol

Maybe?

Jennifer Bastian Schettewi

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=2961867&id=583051336#!/profile.php?id=583051336

Employers   
Patton Boggs
Attorney
Washington, District of Columbia

http://www.angelfire.com/amiga2/ifaruba/newsletters/2007/newsletter_09september_2007.pdf

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Phil and Jennifer Schettewi and their children have temporarily returned to the United States. We hope they return soon.

Remember Val's friend Molly Schettewi, I think she's probably related...

I'm wondering if that Diario article is an update of several different court cases. Thanks!

I read it, and agree with Sharon.  I think they're just saying it was postponed.  I thought it was odd that they started talking about that case in the same paragraph as the prior one.  But I don't think they're connected.  The first sentence says...in another case.

Thanks TM I wasn't sure and was confused.  I think it may have been an update on all the court cases for that day.

Ever since learning that Charles Croes was asking Beth about her sex life the night she arrived looking for her daughter, I just want to hurl every time I see a photo of him or he writes some of that drivel of his!

Typical unhinged Islander.  Maybe it's living in such a small space that makes them all nuts, kind of like cabin fever in a blizzard.

Well, I definitely think Peter R  DeVries should not only go to Peru but should cover for USA networks as well.  Every evening on the news.  Perhaps twice daily reports on the progress  there and what he is doing and how he looks today.

Peter, not Joran, lol, of course.

But seriously, at least Peter wouldn't buy that somebody invited Joran and paid his air fare and room to Peru! 

I hope he will at least do one program on Joran's Peruvian crimes.  Maybe for the conclusion of the trial and seeing Joran get a long sentence, maybe even a life one especially if Joran keeps showing his rear as he has done so far.

But I vote yes for deVries doing a program on Joran's being a homicidal maniac in Peru if for no other reason than to gloat he was right all along.  After all, he did get wine thrown in his face and is entitled to the last on that.

of course Joran is going to try everything to imply his rights were violated. And by the way - how does he even know what rights he is afforded in Peru? He couldn't know on day two / three / four. I know, he makes no sense. He's just a criminal. So funny that his argument - that he was denied his human rights in a way PROVES he is sane. No insane person would even care nor acknowledge such a thing. It would not be an after-thought.

He's just trying to gunk up the works.

Joran gunks up the works simply because this is his way of throwing one of his last temper tantrums. Ohh, and btw, he is going to be murdered in prison. And it is sort of poetic justice that Joran always dished out his vengeance, he now has to wait in fear for his death to arrive. Should have killed himself when he had the chance. Joran is one of the most hated people in the world - this survival rate for someone like this is not high unless they are camped out in a cave or mountain hide-away.

We could place odds on how long he lasts, but it won't be long once he is in gen pop. Even if he should survive a few weeks, those weeks would be torment and torture. Just keeping him alive to toy with him until death arrives. Prison is not for a meathead like Joran.

Speakaing of Posner, I would like to point out that it was our own canoworms/Selena who originally identified him as THE Michael Posner of the Chicago Mob fame and the Good Ship Lollipop and all the rest of what is now known about him.

A couple of years later, I did write to author and mob expert John J Flood and asked for a photo of Posner.  He was very nice and funny and asked me why I wanted it.  First I tried to tell him it was about Natalee, blah, blah but I finally just admitted to morbid curiosity.

He then said he would tell me yes or no on any photos I sent to him.  I sent him all we had ever had or thought to be Posner but he said no on all of them.  I finally just game up.  I know there was one of a wedding party and I think Posner was shown with a group of people at a table but couldn't tell which one he was.

Anyway, we have Selena to thank for knowing so early on that it was the Mob Posner and not one born on the island as some from Aruba were trying to tell us.

I heart Selena!


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BTW, Selena outed Posner on RWV so it is not likely in the archives here.

Rob, Jorans Roomie the Clown assassin also refused to speak before the judge and chose to remain silent.  Guess that's who told Joran to do that.  Of course, Joran doesn't notice it didn't work too well for that one, lol.  I wonder how long the Clown is in there to serve.

And you are correct.  Look how long Jeffry Dahlmer lasted in prison and he was allegedly in protective custody, not even in the general population.

And I ccan't type for a darn byt my nails look terrific, hahaha.

Good Lord, that crew is in the WH now.  If anyone it would be Purcell, the new kid on the block.  The Chicago Mob has taken over the government.

There must be something in the water in Aruba, maybe because it's so salty, that all they think about is money, sex, drugs, money and murder.

Hey, it`s another award. Does this doosh-bag ever run out of these things?



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Amigoe News:

Telegraph block site from Curacao
June 28, 2010, 14:47 (GMT -04:00)


PHILIPSBURG - Visitors from Curaçao since one week can not visit the site of the largest Dutch daily newspaper De Telegraaf. Who www.telegraaf.nl will type in a statement that the page is not available.
NOS.nl blocks all years visitors from Curacao for streaming TV. This implies that images of Dutch football, the Olympics and now the current World Cup not to follow. The blockade has everything to do with the fact that the NIS only the broadcasting of these events held for the Netherlands. At the Telegraph site is here no. Sites other Dutch newspapers also operate as usual.

I do wish a good investigative reporter, such as Peter R. DeVries would report on the investigation of the investigation, that Peter Blanken has been sitting on.  I also wish he would do a report on the problem of Tourism leading, providing and approving the spokespeople in a homicide case.  Iwould also like him to report on the hired internet/TV misinformation team.

Don't miss the Dana Pretzer show tonight at 9pm ET:

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major goon...........

As for Charles Croes, he and Renfro deserve each other - fuse them together at their privates please.

it's like an inbred plate of worms.........!

AVATARS and SMILIES are back!  YIPPEE!  ::MonkeyCheer4::

 ::MonkeyViolin::  for Anita

So nice to "see" everybody   ::MonkeyJnBox::

I know!  I feel like I just put on my reading glasses and I can "see" again, LOL  ::MonkeyHaHa::

 ::MonkeyBikeYorkie:: ::monkeymargarita:: ::MonkeyBikeYorkie::


 ::MonkeyTongue::

Just because I can!

So since there really is no new news on Urine Van der Scum, I am wondering what Nancy Grace will use for her "Bombshell tonight" news, LOL? I know she keeps repeating the same things and sensationalizes everything but I can't help watching her, LOL.  ::MonkeyAngel::

How do u make an avatar? Does that go in place of your profile pic?

List of people in Aruba who make me want to  :gaah: in order of the greatest nausea produced:

Anita, Dompig, Julia, van der Straaten, Charles Croes, Oduber then everybody else down to the the last little snarky one who protested Beth and claimed Natalee ran away.

As Robots says, I hate them all!

Good to "see" everyone!

 ::CowboySmiley::

Looking at this picture, I don't see any swollen knuckles or anything that would indicate Joran punched anyone with his right hand.  What this tells me is that Joran likely used his elbows and his feet OR a weapon.   ::MonkeyNoNo::

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Dogmom4 - If you wander over to the Monkey Lounge and look for either CBB's thread or BRANDI's thread either one of them can create something special for you (if they have time).  Normally all you need to do is put in a request and they will help you out.  That said, I like your current profile pic!  A profile pic is the same thing as an avatar it's just we have gotten carried away with some of ours, LOL.
 ::dogwag::

He's a wuss. If his knucles were swollen, it was because he started punching the walls AFTER he was caught.

Klaas, it was his left hand that was badly swollen.

I like my profile pic but yrs ago when I was on here with the Casey Anthony case someone(I forget who) had the cutest Dachshund avatar, there was 2 or 3 of them with their tails wagging, I have 3 of these pups, the person offered I could have his?hers? if I wanted. I would be partial to that or another doggie avatar just for some fun, Ok I will check out the lounge, THX ::dogwag::

Dogmom, Friday she didn't evcen know Joran's appeal had been rejected.  So that will be her bombshell I think.

She's only three days late for us. ::puppy:: ::puppy:: ::puppy:: ::puppy::

Yes, every time one of them pulls a booger out of his nose, they give him an award!

Sickening.  They should all be ashamed to show their homicidal maniac supporting faces.

LOL, I will probably have to DVR her B/C I don't want to hear my husband complain "She keeps saying the same thing over and over"   LOL.  ::MonkeySkate::

OMG I agree!  ::lookie::

On the photo of PLE taking Joran's fingerprints, he will probably say they were pulling them out, lol.

Someone in that prison needs to show Joran what real torture is so he can appreciate the difference.  Say until he tells the truth about what he did with Natalee and promise to continue with worse should he be lying again.

I simply cannot stand to watch her.......... I will wait for you all to tell me what she says.  :gaah:

Oh Boy, LOL, I can only imagine it will be a mishmash of everything she has already said, there really is nothing else she can possibly spin at this point, LOL.   ::MonkeyHaHa::

I think we need a warning a pic like that is coming, I was scrolling and it scared the heck out of me..j/k Uglyyyyyyyyy..Yuck

OS

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http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/06/28/peru.murder.case/index.html?hpt=T2

Van der Sloot to take incarceration fight to top court, attorney says

(CNN) -- Joran van der Sloot, whose claim of unlawful incarceration was denied last week, will appeal and fight to the Peruvian Supreme Court and international courts if necessary, his attorney said Monday.

Van der Sloot, a 22-year-old Dutch citizen, is jailed pending trial on charges of first-degree murder and robbery in the May 30 death of Peruvian student Stephany Flores, 21.

In an attempt to nullify a confession he gave police, van der Sloot claimed his civil rights were violated following his arrest. A judge Friday ruled his confession and detention stand.

His legal strategy now is to "paralyze the process," his lawyer, Maximo Altez, said.

Altez said van der Sloot will use every possible law that is available to him, and that if he exhausts Peruvian courts, they will reach out to the Inter-American Court of Human Rights in Costa Rica. He maintains that his client's rights have been violated.

The attorney, who has been in touch with both van der Sloot and his family, said the Dutchman is a little "depressed," as anyone in prison would be.

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(Big mistake!!!  JMO)

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-20009038-504083.html (http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-20009038-504083.html)

Van der Sloot Confession Upheld by Peru Judge

LIMA, Peru (CBS/AP) Joran van der Sloot's attempt to suppress his confession to the murder of Stephany Flores, the 21-year-old Peruvian woman found dead in his hotel room, has been denied by a Peru judge.

Van der Sloot gave a full confession to Flores' murder, according to police, but he has since recanted, claiming in a jailhouse interview that the confession was coerced.

Maximo Altez, van der Sloot's attorney, argued that his client's confession should be voided because the attorney representing him at the time was state-appointed.

Superior Court Judge Wilder Casique rejected the habeas corpus motion, making note of the fact that in addition to the state-appointed lawyer, van der Sloot had been afforded a Dutch-Spanish interpreter approved by the Dutch Embassy.

Altez has said that he plans to appeal the decision to a higher court.

The Dutchman faces charges of first-degree murder and robbery for the May 30 death of Stephany Flores. He is also the main suspect in the 2005 disappearance of Alabama teenager Natalee Holloway.

Police say he smashed in the face of Flores, the student he met playing poker before leading her back to his hotel room. According to police, van der Sloot then strangled her, threw her to the floor and emptied her wallet.

On Thursday, Peruvian police reported that they have found DNA evidence under Flores' fingernails, but have not reported whether they have matched it to van der Sloot, according to CNN.

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Carolina and Herbie Merryweather

Looks like the wedding was one day last week.

He`ll continue to go `scorched earth` - because it is what his family has always supported him in.

...and it will be the death of him.

... and that`s a good thing! As far as I`m concerned.

He`s hurt enough people for 7 lifetimes.

Herbie:

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UPDATE:Creepy little bastard Joran van der Sloot is finding that lying in Peru isn't as easy as it was in Aruba. A judge has ruled that everything was above board during his confession, and that it will stand.

http://www.truecrimereport.com/2010/06/joran_van_der_sloot_suspect_in.php

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Hi everybody! 

Look at the four pretty tanned flowers. Behold my beating heart!!! :smt060

Should have been the time of their lives. the poor things. :(

Uh oh, is the server going down again?

Hello everyone!

When Joran was apprehended, it was reported that they found tidal flow charts in his hotel room.  It's also been reported that he told his ex-girlfriend "Celeste" that he had knowledge of tidal flows to determine ideal locations for the disposal of a corpse.  With this kind of information, I think it would helpful to once again  look back into tidal flows around Aruba at the time of Natalee's disappearance.  Compare those earlier flow maps with what Joran was looking at more recently.  I personally don't think Joran had any plans to dispose of Stephany's body at all.  What I think he may have been doing all along is following tidal flow maps to see when and where Natalee's remains could possibly end up washing ashore. 

I say...PUT HIM IN THE GENERAL POPULATION!!! Then he might think twice about all his appeals and maybe tell the truth about Natalee ::MonkeyGavel::

On JVM, I think it was Karl Penhalt (sp???) who insisted that Joran's DNA was takne in Aruba.

Well, it was!  Then lo and behold!  The judge's order disappeared from the file for JORAN ONLY, not for the Kalpoes.  Blood had already been drawn and Karin Janssen supposedly personally took it to NL herself without order from the judge making it illegal and got it thrown out. 

Then immediately Paulus was told not to come into his office--right beside Karin's whre the order disappeared--any more. 

My conclusion was that Paulus stole the judge's order out of Joran's file only, but tnot the Kalpoes, causing Joran's DNA to be inadmissable should it ever go to trial.

How do others remember that mess?

Bottom line is that no, there is not supposed to be any DNA for Joran on record.  And being Aruba, they didn't just get the missing order and take it again that we heard of as any normal place would do.

Can anyone else add to this, clarify and correct?  It's been a long time to remember.


 ::MonkeyEek::

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

 ::MonkeyMad::

Hi Lifesong! ::HelloKitty::

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Yep, 3 and 4 in the head.

You see it, right?

the booger gang

too funny Anna but yes, sickening as well

excellent Carpe, just add the title "Anita in mourning"

In all actual
We have not herd anything from our little Hindu's from Suriname, Depecker and SatishKabob.

I am not sure what that means..

Other then some Internet Rumble there does not appear to be anyone on Aruba concerned in finding Natalee or solving the crime accept for Dave.
I love Dave but he has just a little too much God in him to get answers in this lifetime.

Beth has plenty of God in her and ARUBA is fearful of her as she is unstopable.

I kinda like that..  ::MonkeyDance::

I threw all I had at it, nonesuche!


The best I could get was making them look like they just had a stroke.


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 ::MonkeyTongue::

 ::MonkeyDevil::

Anita looks more like Joran (frankenstein head) than ever with her new stroke look!   ::MonkeyEek::

July 28, 2005  Larry King:

KING: There's a lot of defense motions that are going to be heard or ruled on tomorrow right, Susan?

CANDIOTTI: That's right. We're expecting at the very least a ruling from the judge about one in particular. And that is a motion filed by the defense attorney for Joran Van der Sloot. He is trying to suppress a DNA evidence that was collected from his client sometime back. Of course, it's already been taken, but his challenge is based on his argument that it was taken illegally, that the judges never should have allowed that sample to be taken, and since it already has been, he doesn't want it to be possibly used against his client. And the judge's ruling will come out on that tomorrow.

KING: And if he disallows the DNA samples, what then?

CANDIOTTI: Well, then, the authorities wouldn't be able to use the sample that they collected in court, if he is ever charged in this case. And if, in fact, he is ever brought to trial.

http://edition.cnn.hu/TRANSCRIPTS/0507/28/lkl.01.html


I believe the DNA was disallowed.

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Thanks, Klaas!

Nancy Gracy covered the Obermiller case and Kyron Hormon.

Nothing on Joran at all.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

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She looks like a laughing hyena  ::MonkeyDevil::

DR Dale Archer coming up next

Dr. Archer thinks Joran is a narcissist and that Joran is addicted to fame.  He is thinking that NH was an accident.  I disagree with him on accident part. 

Took the words out of my mouth!

Hmmm... I wonder why?

Me too.

Because there's really nothing new today for NG to report on.   ::MonkeyCool::

http://www.youtube.com/v/kxiwMEFBU1I&hl=en_US&fs=1&

I'm listening to Dana and Dr Archer but had not changed my TV channel, Joy Behar had Jinkasaurus on who just confirmed the judge had ruled the confession stands, the laptop stands, and that it's the judge who will actually decide when Aruba can come to Peru to "share".

She went on to say that it's suspected or being discussed that Joran and his new hitman buddy are possibly working on their legal strategies together? It seems they are about the same age too? Good to know they have so much in common  ::MonkeyEek::

Well .. it did become redundant those last two days-we know more than she does. lol

He had a major temper tantrum, imo.   That's how Natalee died I think.  Yes, she was drugged, but he cannot control his temper when he's crossed ..... and I think Natalee fought him.

That is new info for me, I didn't realize 'they' were close in age. For some reason, I thoght the hitman buddy was in his mid to late 40's.  I don't think I read that anywhere, but maybe a picture that appeared much older?   

TJ WARD up next!

Well, for ME -- it is NOT in any way shape or form an "accident" when you stalk out a person from earlier in the day and PURPOSELY follow them to bar and slip them a roofie with the intention of raping them. Even if you did not "intend" for them to die.  ::MonkeyNoNo::

Dana asking about the Kalpoes.  TJ says ALE needs to go to the Kalpoes now while Joran is in prison in Peru. 

Exactly ...!

TJ talking about when ALE wanted to detain him, a warrant out for his arrest.  TJ was exposing things that they didn't want exposed and so ALE wanted him gone.

I had that impression too, maybe since I was listening with half an ear I'm hoping I misheard, but Joy did repeat that fact back to Jinkasaurus so I think I did hear it correctly.

The evidence against Joran in Peru is overwhelming according to TJ (we knew that, lol)

It would be very unlikely for a higher court to over turn what has already been said by the current judge.  The laws in Peru are a little different than Aruba. 

Yep, I heard and it and that's exactly what she said.  They are about the same age.  Lord have mercy! A hitman that young!  What is this world coming too?

Good show Dana!

GREAT SHOW DANA!  Really enjoyed listening to TJ!

TJ Ward just told about Paulus contacting the Columbians.  This is what he says Beth and Dave think may have happened, according to TJ.  Paulus had Colombians who came to the island for the purpose of removing Natalee.

These are the tapes Rob has mentioned and I wanted to hear so badly.  I am going to listen to that part again.

Remember Spencer Bauchus said one word to Greta after his meeting with the Aruban delegation in Washington and it was "Wiretaps"!


TJ said according to his voice analyzer the person who told him about the Colombians was being truthful.

Ditto! Great show Dana !

Thanks for having TJ on your show Dana! 

That hitman looks 35-40 yo!

Maybe that's what life in a Peruvian prison will do to you.

Hi Dihannah !

He does look MUCH older in his photos but perhaps he and Joran are each other's destiny???

nonesuch said:

I believe I have read that the hitman cell neighbor also killed a woman --
a "businesswoman" was how she was described.

Must be the fault of the women. 

In the words of Dana "His goose is cooked".

yes her daughter hired him to kill her mother - hard to even wrap my brain around that one

are you channeling Paulus tonight?  ::MonkeyShocked::

Joran doesn't have a goose....just a little bitty goslin.   ::MonkeyTongue::

You got that right!   ::MonkeyJnBox:: ::MonkeyDevil::

I'm going to throw some thoughts out on the tidal flow charts that Joran supposedly had in his possession.  Once the investigators probe into Joran's laptop files and memory, I wouldn't be surprised if they find that Joran frequently accessed tidal flow information for surrounding Aruban waters for as long as he has owned this laptop.  Going back to the break-in at the Fishermens' Huts and the missing fishing/crab trap that Tim and his team were searching for, this 5.5' x 4' x 17" trap was one that was small enough to be moved by strong ocean currents.  I'm guessing that Joran has been following these tidal flows to track any movement that a trap this size could make, as well as what ships are in the area, etc.  If one could follow the history of which tidal zone Joran followed, there may be a chance of locating the original area where Natalee was possibly buried at sea.  Just my thoughts. for what it's worth.

Hi Nonesy! I totally agree, he does look much older.  But according to the Joy show, they stated they are about the same age.   He may still be a little older.  But sounds like they have become quick friends and the "Clown" may just be giving him advice on what to do (or what NOT to do, in reality), such as he has.  Retract his confession, etc.  I'm curious how long his little buddy has been there and when he's going to GP too.  This can't go on forever!   Reality is going to strike for both of them.   I'm also curious when the "Clown" is going to turn on him.  None of those prisoners have anybody elses best interest in mind.  He's getting what he can, himself I'm sure, to help his own case and Joran has proven he can't keep his mouth shut.   It's only another nail in Joran's coffin in a matter of time.  Those prisoners are ALL cutthroats and he's not going to do anything to help Joran, if he feels it can eventually help his own case.  Joran is a freakin' idiot!

I forgot my rolly eyes emoticon, lol  ::MonkeyRoll:: ::MonkeyConfused::

Well, I've been reading and watching t.v. to catch up and I believe I see the writing on the wall with this "Clown", he's using Joran, not only to pass the time, but I'm sure he has something up his sleeve to help himself.  In the meantime, I need to get to the bunky, as it's been along Monday.  I will catch the podcast of Dana tomorrow, God Bless him, for all he does.

With love to all you Monkeys!  God bless you all and goodnight!

Nite Dihannah!

I hope Rob knows TJ was on and finally talked about the tapes about the Colombians.  This has been a major rumor just forever and I am glad to see it's finally out there.

Podcast is not up yet but I want to listen to that again.

Memorable Quotes
(running list – help on attributes, additions WELCOME)

No body, no case
(Paulus van der Sloot, “poolside chat” with J2K, afternoon/evening 05/30/2005)

How did you get here so fast
(Paulus to “the Alabama posse,” early a.m. 05/31 2005)

You do not have jurisdiction
(Paulus to “the Alabama posse,” early a.m. 05/31 2005)

I’ll have to eat my frosted flakes first
(Detective Dennis Jacobs, to Beth & Jug, 8:00 am or later that a.m., 05/31/2005)

Well how much money you got?
(Detective Dennis Jacobs, to Dave, 06/01/2005)

Well, just go on down to Carlos 'N Charlie's ... Watch your drink. That's one thing you better do is watch your drink
(Detective Dennis Jacobs, to Dave, 06/01/2005)

We can’t book people when we want… (like) a bunch of cowboys
(Karin Jannsen, Lead prosecutor in the Natalee Holloway disappearance, 06/03/05)
I could not find “rush in like cowboys” - msmarple

You know, you keep acting like this, Mr. Twitty, we're going to quit
(Karin Jannsen, Lead prosecutor in the Natalee Holloway disappearance, 06/03/05)

Something bad happened
(Deputy Chief Gerold Dompig to AP, attributing to “one of three young men,” 06/12/2005)

You just don't understand our legal system
(Arlene Ellis-Schipper – Date?)
I could not find this one. I tried several name spellings. Any ideas? - msmarple

Your own father, unbelievable
(Deepak to Joran, “secret recording” in polis van, 06/25/2005)

If they find that girl, then they will see that *hit
(Joran to 2K, “secret recording” in polis van, 06/25/2005)

They're going to give you fifteen years if they find the girl
(Deepak to Joran, “secret recording” in polis van, 06/25/2005)

I am being repeatedly asked the same questions and I am sick and tired of that.
(Deepak statement – 06/30/2005)

Satish, why you guys lie to Mama?
(Nadia Ramirez, 2K’s mother, on Greta, 06/24/2005)

Come on, we all lie. We all lie. As big people I know that I lie sometimes
(Nadia Ramirez, 2K’s mother, on Dr. Phil show, 09/05/2005)

One day, I will explain exactly what happened, but, right now, I don’t feel ready to do that
(Joran, A Current Affair, 09/26/2005)

Girls just get lost sometimes
(Angelina?? I don’t know anything about this one ?? )

Aruba's job was not to babysit Beth's daughter. Beth sent her daughter to swim with the sharks, she is responsible for what ever happened to Natalee
(Glenda, aka Julia Renfroe - do we have a date on that?)

I mean it's happened probably 20, 20 times nothing has ever gone wrong
(Joran to Greta, 03/03/2006)

If he gets in trouble later, he gives his concerned mother three thick kisses
(Interview by Floor Ligtvoet, printed in BN DeStem, 03/30/2006)

A delicious adolescent, he is simply a delicious youth!
(sometimes translated/quoted as “boy” and “sporter” instead of “youth”)
(Anita, from the same BN DeStem article, 03/30/2006)

msmarple includes this one because, well, just because:
We have no alien necessary that ounce come say how unsafely our island is. An Aruban who such call things, calls I to a country traitor, lets stand to an alien who gives a bad name to Aruba abroad. That is still more terrible
(Rudy Croes (MEP) of justice, 11/16/2006)

I am a sporter
(Anita, quoting Joran, to Greta, 02/12/2008)

That Mother, she just wouldn't go away!
(Joran? Anita? to ? re. Beth, date ? - can anyone find this one ?? I thought it was in the Peter dV tape but couldn’t find it)

Why does this *hit always happen to me?
(Joran to Patrick, Peter de Vries tape, aired 02/03/2008)

They didn't behave like a normal family with a missing daughter
(Joran? Anita? date? )

And I'd be good with a "Midnight Express" prison anywhere for Joran
(Beth to Greta, 11/19/2008)

So much bad luck sometimes
(Joran, text message to Melody Granadillo, est. 06/03/2010 – “the day of his arrest”)

This isn't a coincidence, this murder
(Ricardo Flores, Stephany's father, to reporters in Lima, Peru, 06/04/2010)

I did not want to do it. {The girl saw private things.} She had no right. I approached her and she was scared. We discussed it and she tried to escape, and I took her neck and hit her
In some quotes, the bracketed phrase is stated as The girl intruded into my private life
(Joran’s “confession,” quoted by BNO News and La Republic, 06/07/2005; a confession he later unsuccessfully attempted to retract)

Van der Sloot said he was sick in the head and had not tasted food in two days
(Google translation from Spanish:
“Van der Sloot dijo sentirse mal de la cabeza y que no había probado alimentos en dos días.”
http://elcomercio.pe/noticia/494308/vea-primeros-minutos-joran-van-der-sloot-carcel (http://elcomercio.pe/noticia/494308/vea-primeros-minutos-joran-van-der-sloot-carcel) 06/13/2010)

My son is sick in his head
(Anita, interview for De Telegraaf, published 06/20/2010)

Explains why Dave and Tim followed the "tip" and went to investigate during The Persistence fiasco.

I agree Dihannah, but then psychopath's always magnify their own importance.

It has been a long Monday, I'm still working but need to lie down for a couple of hours now and just get up early and back at it.

I have so many deliverables due on Wednesday that I was dreaming about them last night  ::MonkeyHaHa::

(that WAS Columbia, wasn't it?????)

Wreck, I believe that may have been Marco from Nicaragua.

I'll depend upon you to post analysis Anna for us, I am very interested as well but just have too much work to concentrate well this week.

rest well everyone!

Yeah, I think you are right! As in the words of Emily Latilla.............. NEVERMIND!

Paulus and the Colombians has been a rumor for a very long time.  Goes back to about 2006.  It was known there were supposed to be tapes of Paulus and Colombians but no proof.

Well, there is still none for that matter.  But TJ knows who told him about them.  I have often wondered if the DEA intercepted them and for that reason they could never be used as DEA is not supposed to be listening to anybody but drug traffic.

May be something, may be not.  That's how it goes with things in Aruba.

.

Someone may have already posted...

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_74526.php

Google translation:

"Aruba within three years FATF-compliant '

June 28, 2010, 24:38 (GMT -04:00)

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ORANGE CITY - Aruba has set the target within two to three years all the core requirements and recommendations of the Financial Action Task Force (FATF) to comply. So says Prime Minister Mike Eman (AVP) in an interview with this newspaper. 'Once a month, I sit with a committee with the Central Bank, Legal Affairs, Department of Finance and Legislation Department to see where we are making changes to the Penal Code and the Commercial Code so we can comply points. "

Meanwhile, an Aruban delegation at the plenary session of FATF in Kazakhstan are presented the roadmap to compliance with the conditions. "We received notice back from FATF in which they reported to have been very impressed by our plans." There are already some key adjustments made, for example the Criminal Code, including passing laws against terrorist financing and money laundering. "But we're not there yet. A new Penal Code will, the Code of Commerce is 200 years old and there must be stricter controls on legal persons, "the prime minister.

Disproportionate
The prime minister was on the letter must comply with the sixteen conditions and all 49 core concerns of the FATF, although difficult for a small country Aruba. Some measures to be taken, such as the financing of Unusual Transactions (MOT) are disproportionately Haniyeh. "This is such a big financial burden for the whole country because their costs are high. But you're part of the world and so you should keep it. "But the Prime Minister hopes that the long term agreements which are small countries such as Aruba can be supported by larger partners to comply with FATF agreed to extract larger in scale.

Aruba is on the list of so-called "non-compliant nations' Financial Action Task Force of, an international organization that ensures that countries a transparent financial policy should hold. From findings of the FATF evaluation team that visited the island in December 2008, among others, showed that thirteen of the sixteen key recommendations of FATF for Aruba were thirteen as part insufficient or even insufficiently evaluated. As missing in Aruba provisions regarding the identification and verification of the ultimate person responsible for transactions and there is no active monitoring of electronic exchanges in Aruba. There are also opaque and inadequate legislation for companies which include shares and identify the people behind the company impossible.

 

Ono, I agree..she probably was hit pretty hard and that's where the coverup happened...There was no way they would let her be found...Even now if they find her, I don't think they'll bring charges against him...

But at least he'll go down for Stefany's murder......

'Nobody Stands Above the Law' - Prime Minister Nelson Orlando Oduber


Boy did we know he was FOS.

<--------would like to see the cell phone records of JORANCRAP the days before and right after he killed.


who did he call ?

when did he call ?

yea, lets see who and when


he is a slug and so is his lawyer

If I understand correctly, it looks like a young person has died of a gunshot wound to the head in Aruba.

http://www.awe24.com/?main&id=3816&offId=0

Papiamentu translation:

2 hora happen | fecha: 28/06/2010 | horario: 20:42

young cu owing to arrive hospital cu injury by tiro in cabez owing to fayece 2 minuut after by her arrival at hospital

relato in one instant. already come to anend can listen vocero policial larmonie, y vocero hospital bob harms

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Looks like it could be a BMW?

Papito Road Services...hmmmm

Anna, yes I knew TJ was gonna be on with Dana tonite. I'm glad everyone enjoyed it. And I know TJ is glad to share whatever he knows.

A few weeks ago - more like 10 tens ago - TJ did a radio interview with a station in Peru. I was supposed to be getting that transcript or a link to a podcast, but it still hasn't arrived.

In that interview - TJ told the family that he will do whatever it takes to make sure that Joran is incarcerated FOREVER. He said that he will send them all the files and any info they need - he is there to help them as needed. I'm not sure who he was referring to - but he said that some one started to cry at his offer to help. It sounded like it was a female that was on the show. I am not sure if this is a family member.

I can also share with you all that TJ has a tape (I believe this to be audio only) with Stanley Zandaam that is 4 hours in length that was recorded in 2005. This tape details loads and loads of corruption that Zandaam knew about and shared with TJ. So, we may be hearing more about that in the future also.

I have asked to hear the "Jaguar" tapes - this is the guy that was working with the FBI and when they left - TJ and Harold Copus began to use him and three others as informants. I have not heard the tapes and I have asked that they be posted and placed on YouTube. So, that's also on the board and we may have to wait to hear those. But I think as time goes on - more and more of this undercover info will be made public. "Jaguar" is the guy that knew about Paulus and the Colombians.

Ayyyyye Papi!


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 ::piggy::    <---------is this Joran dancing for his new neighbor ??


the delicious sporter                        ::MonkeyJnBox:: ::MonkeyJnBox:: ::MonkeyJnBox::

Victim is Frances Anthony Gomes.  I think this is him, looks like he's a gang member:

http://www.myspace.com/santa_cruz_soldiers

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Woman visits the monster twice a week

http://elcomercio.pe/noticia/502333/mujer-extranjera-visita-joran-van-der-sloot-penal

This may be him as well

http://www.facebook.com/search/?flt=1&q=francis+gomes&o=2048&s=20#!/profile.php?id=100000700836228&v=info&ref=search (http://www.facebook.com/search/?flt=1&q=francis+gomes&o=2048&s=20#!/profile.php?id=100000700836228&v=info&ref=search)

Isn't Bob Harms the guy that works at the hospital and pronounces folks morto?

There was a report that he was "cleaning" the gun and it accidentally went off.  

Not sure I believe that, jmo.

He was 22 years old.


http://www.24ora.com/policial-mainmenu-8/19103-francis-gomes-a-perde-su-bida-cu-un-bala-di-arma-di-candela.html

francis gomes owing to lose her life cu one ball by arm by candela

monday, 28 june 2010 21:05

thing is assure is cu one ball by arm by candela owing to perfora the young francis gomes naci day 14 by march 1988, but that owing to tir’e still is one enigma. the amigonan cu owing to bahe at poli will owing to say cu is one arm by candela they was haciendo clean hour cu one ball owing to depart accidentalmente y perfora francis mortalmente. according her own pagina on facebook, the have barely 22 year by edad y is trahando at fast delivery before some year come to anend. the is brother man by the young cu some time behind owing to haye in confrontacion cu police fast café bahia y cu police owing to throw mortalmente after on parkeerplaats by arubus. all the time polisnan is at hospitaal before investiga the caso regrettable here. paz at her restonan y condolencia at famianan.

paulus and joran at the Poker table -  Natalee "gets disappeared"


joran at the poker table and Stephany for all practical purposes disappears 


odds of this happening to and them being innocent   

a zillion to one

right Anna, this was the guy that had Natalee is a cooler and went to get her and never returned. Sicko.

Among the orders denied to Joran van der Sloot is the curtains to his cell, where he confessed, is dying of cold at night.

My favorite part! ::MonkeyKiss::


http://translate.google.com/translate?js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=1&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Felcomercio.pe%2Fnoticia%2F502333%2Fmujer-extranjera-visita-joran-van-der-sloot-penal&sl=es&tl=en

((snipped))

Under media , the swarthy-skinned woman has been seen visiting the confessed murderer of Stephany Flores during the last week. Police officers have come to examine in detail the food that leads to murder suspect.

((snipped)

Where's RENFRO been lately? Just kidding  ::MonkeyHaHa::  Swarthy would be dark skinned so likely an Aruban.

And I still believe a setup.  JMO

Or Hotshot?   ::MonkeyRoll::

lol - that is funny  ::MonkeyDevil::

It is winter in Lima and it is very cold. The woman send canned food ? also they said that he doesn't want to go outside and he prefers to stay in his cell :)
the monster is geeting so depress :)

"In his confinement in the Castro Castro prison, the citizen has been reluctant Dutchman in maintaining contact with other inmates. Él prefiere quedarse en su celda antes que salir a caminar por el patio.  He prefers to stay in his cell before a walk through the yard."
WORD!!!
Mr. 'Tough Guy' is scared to go out of his cell and mingle amongst the other prisoners. Did Mommy warn you of this, or do you know you are a dead man walking?

That was Scott Peterson and the San Fran Bay if I recall.
Joran had the DJ in Aruba who had a boat and knew the tides and where to dispose of a body. But it now looks like Palus took care of the disappearance.

I too would be interested to see what information the computer holds.

I'm thinkin' the same. no doubt.

Just wanted to say HI and so glad to SEE everyone again.   ::MonkeyGavel::  Justice IS coming!!!!!!!!!!!!

Rob, this has always been my most believed disposal theory so I am glad that it is finally coming to see the light of day.  Yes, you have been after those tapes for years, lol.

Maybe some day we will actually get to hear them.


The person I wish TJ could get to do a program on the corruption in Aruba is Peter de Vries.  No, not just cause he's purty but he could get it where it needs to be--before the wntire NL for all to see and in a way that it can't be denied and just brushed under the rug.

Don't you know TJ has some interesting things after all this time!  And that's the Zandaam that was writing the book.  I think he did but it's very obscure and not in English at all.  I think we found a link to it in some library in Curacao or some suxch place once upon a time.

I wish somebody had those tapes of Paulus and the Colombians and would just start broadcasting them, blaring over loudspeakers, all over Aruba.  Would be fun to see the reaction of a lot of people.  Anita most especially.

Even though he is dead, Paulus still needs to be exposed for what he did.

Right. They said dark skinned, not leather face anyway.

Only Joran could find a way to freeze his balls off in June. They want to still debate whether he was all that intelligent? I, mean he lived in Aruba... where it can be so darn hot... that your jungle rot gets jungle rot. Give him canned beenie weenies NL, I just don`t care.

>He is so over.

Awww. And the humidity in Lima is so high that many visitors form lung infections.
At least Joran is getting spagettiO's from a new girlfriend to keep him well.

Sounds like curtains would make for an easy escape from a cell... just sayin.
Another trick is to get a body double to take your place. Joran stands out because he's so tall. Would be interesting to see who visits with the same height.

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Hi Cajun!!!! Yes. Yes it is! ....and it is good!

Gross, but I thought Carpe might like it for his collection.   ::MonkeyDevil::

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Van%20der%20Sloot/Social%20Pages/Sebastian_Disgusting.jpg)

:)
I dont know if the monster can have sex in jail.

OMG!!!!!!! ::MonkeyJnBox::

That kid acts like the biggest PIGGY.  Anita must be so proud he captures all of his precious moments on digital media, and uploads it for all to see all over the world.

paulass is dead.....urine is toast and will die in prison....I do hope it takes a really long time so he suffers over and over again...and although I know there is no one close to urine that will give a $hit about his suffering...I hope those all involved with the cover up and dis-info will sweat nails until their justice come.... ::MonkeyDevil::
I say let the details that TJ and others have come out over a long period of time, so aruba feels the heat/those responsible for Natalee and the pain they imposed on Beth/Jug/Dave and family and friends doesn't go away anytime soon.......aruba NOT taking responsibility for victims DOES have a consequence.......

 ::MonkeyGavel::    ::MonkeyDance::    ::MonkeyGavel::

Thank you for sharing this, Rob!

So some dark skinned woman is taking Joran canned goods twice a week on behalf of Anita.  I bet it's someone his attorney arranged.

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Poppin Fresh is not just right and Anita needs to cut his hair and clean him up.  It's sad!
She didn't even take him to Bingo.

when you're a teacher you're trained to look for signs.

Hello - anyone home over @ montanja 19 - hello, hello.

Looks like that infamous sloot gene skipped one kid and magically reappeared and reared it's head again.

I bet it is an IFA member who has been transferred to Lima. ::MonkeyShocked::

The complete Sebastian Van der sloot set.


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Have we established if Aruba has an interest in keeping Joran alive in a Peruvian jail?
Or will they spare the future embarrassment and leave him to the wolves?

Mother of the Year 2010 Award


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I know Neeter's garage sale was a smashing success - but she may want to hang on to that slightly dented mongolito protective helmet. just sayin'

what a mess. Gooood Lordy

OMG I didn't know that he is the monster brother. I don't like to say this but it is what i think... every time I see the monster and now this kid ...the shape of their eyes or something in their faces look like they are mental +++++

::MonkeyHaHa::

Wonder if Joran was wearing a belt the morning he killed Stephany?

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/joranbelt.jpg)

Yeah, I agree. Bad genes. Obviously.

jorans fat brother has some skerrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrry looking eyes


<<<-- slightly freaked out

the yellow  teeth are nice.............. ::monkeywine2::

This photo almost looks like the kid with the belt on his neck isn't faking his fear.
And Joran's demon devil red eyes are quite appropriate.
Creepy.

She has big problems, bro bro.  ...and it isn`t only Joran. You are correct SIR!!!!

Hard to establish anything in regards to Aruba.  They claim to be putting a rush of sorts on their request to interview Joran in Peruvian jail about the NH case since Joran said he would speak to them about it.  But that probably means Aruba will get to it maybe next year.

But you've got to admit the uncombed/shampooed hair is the real sign of a true "bushy haired stranger" of crime fame.

What is left for Aruba to do?
Export the K2 brothers and check Joran's computer.
How long can that take?

How long can it take for Aruba?  Oh, couple of years, easy!

.

Is it just me or do curtains for that particular jail seem sort of frilly?  Sissy or somethng?  Maybe they should give him some pink ones, lol.  Like that sheriff in Arizona does to prisoners.

Joran probably dosn't want anybody to see what he dosn't have because the laughter would be so deafening.

JMO

That is truely disgraceful. Do they realize their incompetance is noticed worldwide, they can't possibly be that oblivious? What would it take to make them move faster?

What I find so rich - he wanted curtains on his cell so people couldn`t stare at him.... and I think they did it for him.

Now he wants curtains so he doesn`t catch pneumonia... and Peru tells him to get *bumped*... oh yes, the times they are a changing. He is so DONE. I`m lovin` it.

Yeah, suspicious. Either he wants to hide masturbation, bowel movements, suicide or an escape. His request shows pure disregard for authority and lack of respect for rules.

I forgot to add in the first line of my last post - that was at the so called jail in Aruba. ::MonkeyHaHa::

See, that's another lie... so people couldn't stare at him? Why would he care if anyone stared at him?
And how can curtains stop pneumonia?
Nope, he's wanting to hide something, either actions or a breakout.

No matter who Joran throws under the bus, Aruba will just say he's lying again.

I would love for Dana to interview a few Arubans just to rub it in at how incompetent they were and how wrong they were about their innocent sporter.

But how many times have one of us posted on this board that Joran would kill again?  How many!  Probably hundreds! 

And sadly we were right.  If we knew it, Aruba had to know it.  Not even that place could be so stupid as not to see it.

And I am sure whatever they say in Aruba it is only going to make our blood boil just as Anita does.  But I would still like to rub it in to them just a bit.  Well, actually quite a lot.

Klaas, when he is knocking on the door of that hotel room, he is holding that left hand in a very limp manner and his hand does look swollen.   Is he left-handed?

I think it is windy there. To stop the cold wind.

The humidity is what causes pneumonia. Curtains can't stop humidity. Joran is making excuses again, bargaining. Next step is depression and then finally acceptance of 35 years with Bozo and his pet rat. That's if he makes it past depression.

No, Joran doesn't want to escape in Peru.  He is too skeered of the crowds.  They would tear him to shreds!

He plays tennis and writes with his right hand but I suppose he could be ambidextrous?  In one of the shots it is his left hand that looks like it could be swollen. 

I am thinking he is the grandson of the old man that started the anti-Beth demonstration, a member of the IFA, who is an ex-pat, owns some kind of consumer business in Aruba, which was suffering due to lack of customers, and his intention was to stop Beth in her tracks and gain favor with other Americans, while favoring Joran, (who we later learned killed his dog and blamed it on his grandson).  Maybe Joran should have knocked old man Merryweather's lip off.

I hate him and his old battleaxe mother.

I think the sister-in-law of Stephany Flores is very beautiful.  She looks like a movie star.  The wife of Enrique.  The one who looked Joran up on the computer.

The Flores family have so much class.  I hope that's who TJ gave information to in Peru.  I want them to know who they are dealing with so they will not be caught off guard or hurt in any way by any cheap Sloot tricks and lies.

Me 2222222222222222222222222222222222222222222

Tylergal.... deplorable people... now reaping what they have planted. It is about time,
I have been growing old up in this beyatch.

God sure takes his merry ol` time... but I don`t question Him.

Let's hope Joran does not get pregnant and multiply. 

Remember the prosecutor who had Karin Janssen's job at one time and she called (working on a fading memory) either Dave or TJ to her home once and gave them information.  I cannot remember who she was at this time or the whole story, but trying to work from old timer's memory.

Anita in blackface.

For the life of me --- I cannot remember.


But, I will NEVER EVER FORGET Karin Jaansen. That is for sure.


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Tylergal - Flanegin?

05. KOEN GOTTENBOS

In October, 2005 Aruban authorities approached Dave Holloway and informed him that Koen Gottenbos could possibly be the key to solving the case. Nevertheless, Koen was never interrogated again in spite of the promises of Gerold Dompig. The assistant prosecutor, Amalin Flanegin, quit because she believed that Koen lied when he was interrogated in the initial stages of the investigation, and Dompig refused bring him in again. A meeting that took place between Koen's father and the investigators could possibly reveal an explanation.

She is. They are handling this tragedy with much grace.

Yes, that is it.  See, I might be old but I got a couple words right.  ::MonkeyEek::

I remember that too Tylergal. I think she took them to a cafe and told them what was going on and then she quit. And then I think they shipped her back up to NL to keep her quite. It may be in Dave's book.

I came across this one I had saved too:

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I've seen one similar to this one but I don't think I'd ever seen this one.

(http://hphotos-snc3.fbcdn.net/hs480.snc3/26291_10150154953140346_538115345_11272699_297827_n.jpg)

I think the one on the left could be Mike Pochettino (same kid with the belt around his neck)
Not sure about the one on the right, but I think it could be Edgard Sune, the one in the front is Jorge Suarez (he's in or has been in medical school).

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Texasmom - your joke a couple nights ago reminded me I had it saved.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::


IFA

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That's so funny, I'd started a post with the same information right before I got distracted with the belt around the neck picture!  Of course that's had me off in a different direction for a bit.   ::MonkeyWink::

 ::MonkeyCool::

HEY!!!

Bad storm knocked out the internet.............. and now I get here and can SEE EVERYBODY!!!!   ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::

Is it true???? Do we have a new server?????      ::piggy::

Not the new server yet - no schedule on that.

I HATE what she did to Natalee....Beth/Jug and Dave.....she will face her maker.....
Not to be overlooked.... the dutch castoffs on aruba set the stage for the cover up....backed by the gutless NL......hans mos = pos.......he will face  his maker.......
At the end of the day....it doesn't come down to who you think you fooled on earth......
Final Judgment Day is NOT a joke......

I'm kinda feeling bad right now...because I wish it was KJ that urine met in the Peruvian casino...

Good night Good Monkeys.......
Justice for Stehany is a lock....
Justice for Natalee is just around the corner.....

I remember her, too. 06/29/06

Even Kowgirls Get the Blues?

Nice work, Karin, you made the team. Take a look around, you are one of them now, no mistake. Must be a great feeling. Stay on the island with the rest of them. Call Angela, Nadira, Rubberlegs and a few more and daisy chain on the Wyndham lobby carpet if you like,  but worry just a little. You know what they are capable of. Maybe some day something really terrible happens to your family and…well you know.

Try Holland. No problem. Friends, people you meet, colleagues…you square right up and look ‘em dead in the eye with your cold bitch stare because you would sell out their babies just to make your day go smoother.

Some cringing, self effacing little weasel offers you a ride home from say an Abba tribute or whatever, you hop right in. Meet up with a big friendly blockhead at a fun bar someplace and let him get you a drink. Drink deep, Karin. You earned it.

By the way, is there a way you guys recognize each other? I mean is it like werewolves or something? Just wondered, it’s hard for us, look how long you played it out.

Anyway, thanks again and we’ll be looking for you. You have a great future… any kids?

Hat

Thanks, Sleuth! I went ahead and put up the 4th of July avi thread in the lounge............ Klass? If you'd prefer I didn't, just say the word and I'll take it down!

That's pure truth and poetry, Hat........... Well said!

Glad to read that Joran's request for curtains was denied -- couldn't help but make the graphic anyway. 

Friday, November 11, 2005
Schippers to sue U.S. Janssen to publish "My Vagina"
Washington D.C.

Aruba spokeswoman and defense attorney Arlene Schippers has filed a lawsuit in Federal court today. Also, Prosecutor Karin Janssen is reported to be releasing her autobiography titled "My Vagina."

In the suit, Ms. Schippers is suing every citizen of the United States for:

Failure to understand the Dutch Legal System
Deciding to not travel to Aruba
Making critical remarks about her intelligence
Not being a good ally
Placing the life of a murdered American above that of the tourism industry of Aruba
Electing George Bush
Illegally invading Iraq
Not caring about the poor people of Aruba
Claiming the Secretary of State is actually Black

The suit explicitly claims Beth Holloway Twitty has been a "nuisance."

Spokesman for the spokeswoman, Ruben Trapenburg, says that Ms. Schippers has suffered "emotional trauma". "She's a sensitive women who has been ummm....you know, she's not happy."

When asked what damages Ms.Schippers is seeking, Mr. Trapenburg said, "She's already been damaged."

The suit is seeking the President of the United States to formally insist that every American travel to Aruba.

When asked what is at the core of the lawsuit, Mr. Trapenburg seemed startled but said,

"Money?"

Mr. Trapenburg has also read an advanced copy of Karin Janssen's new book. When asked what he thought of the book he responded, "I think My Vagina stinks."

posted by Deetch at 7:06 PM

Somebody needs to frame the above post!!  I'll drink to it!!   ::monkeywine2::

I posted that once and the server broke down and I forgot to repost it again, that I wondered if he had used a belt on Stephany, and if he had used one, he must have left it or gave it to the taxi drivers, because his pants were falling off when he was apprehended.

We've seen his 'cell'. Where would he hang curtains? There are no windows, only a door. How would curtains keep him warm? Does 'curtain' = blanket?

This may have been posted already but if not, we can have no illusions regarding Joran's legal strategy - really remarkable Altez is being so very honest. I can only imagine the hatred it will fuel in Peru. Someone will knock him off just for his arrogance and his attorney too!

Paralyze the process, isn't this a strategy that just screams guilty as charged?

http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/06/28/peru.murder.case/index.html?hpt=C1

..."In an attempt to nullify a confession he gave police, van der Sloot claimed his civil rights were violated following his arrest. A judge Friday ruled his confession and detention stand.

His legal strategy now is to "paralyze the process," his lawyer, Maximo Altez, said.

Altez said van der Sloot will use every possible law that is available to him, and that if he exhausts Peruvian courts, they will reach out to the Inter-American Court of Human Rights in Costa Rica. He maintains that his client's rights have been violated.".....

Wondering if they will keep him in this isolated cell until trial? They say it could take up to 2 years to get to trial w/ all his appeals...so for 2 more years he is protected from other inmates?

It's not about Beth or Dave's approach...It's about a country that has forsaken God, any form of morality, decency, or rule of law in favor of hedonism in its purest form.  Such a culture has produced a Little Lord Fauntleroy who expects to have no consequences for rape or murder because he was raised to live for his own gratification.

Aruba needs saving, not Natalee. She is already in the presence of God experiencing joy that we can only imagine.

Although I appreciate Beth's force of nature, it moves me deeply to see this pious, gentle man digging through the garbage to look for his daughter's bones.  It's completely possible that some weak link in the lies and deception will also be moved, especially now that Paulus is dead and Joran is in custody elsewhere.

http://www.nationalenquirer.com/natalee_holloway_van_der_sloot_prison_bitch_aids/celebrity/68900


PRISON BITCH VAN DER SLOOT SHOCKING AIDS SECRET
JORAN VAN DER SLOOT - who's confessed to murdering a young woman in Peru and is linked to Alabama teen  NATALEE HOLLOWAY's disappearance - is keeping a shocking AIDS secret!

The 22-year-old accused killer is obsessed with the fear that his recent medical tests at the infamous Miguel Castro Castro prison in Lima will reveal he's infected with the deadly virus, sources revealed to The ENQUIRER.

"Van der Sloot is terrified that he contracted AIDS during his frequent sex romps with prostitutes in Thailand. He ran a small restaurant there in 2008 and recruited young Thai women for the sex trade in his native Holland," a source close to the case revealed.

250,000 Thai women - most of them prostitutes in the Phuket District - have AIDS, according to statistics.

The  6-foot-5, van der Sloot has been jailed at the Castro Castro prison in Lima since June 11 after he confessed to killing Stephany Flores, 21.

Van der Sloot - like all inmates - underwent a blood test and a complete medical exam, which was videotaped and released by police. Van der Sloot insisted his blood be tested for the AIDS virus, and insiders suspect he was hoping for a hospital transfer.

Even if he's "clean" now, van der Sloot is afraid he will contract the fatal disease at the Castro Castro prison. The Peruvian slammer is festering with brutal homosexual sex, with  half the prisoners estimated to be HIV positive.

"Joran fears being murdered in prison," the insider said.

In the Peruvian prison hellhole, sometimes "Prisoners sometimes pay a prisoner with AIDS to rape another inmate they want to see dead. This costs about $10," an insider told The ENQUIRER.

And NOW van der Sloot has become the personal prison "bitch" of incarcerated Colombian hit man Hugo "The Clown" Trujillo Ospina  -- who, for now, is  playing nice with the pretty Dutchman.

"There's only ONE reason Ospina would be nice to Joran," a source told The ENQUIRER. "Joran obviously is doing sexual favors for Ospina."

the news out of Peru is starting to slow so I look for Joran to do/say something extremely stupid to get himself back to top story. I think he cannot stand when he isn't the lead story.
Jean just said she thinks he will stay at Castro Castro for the duration, not being sent to Lurigancho. Supposedly Castro Castro is maximum security, Lurigancho being minimum. But he will eventually be moved to gen pop. Not being reported as widely in Peru but its in the investigative stage and supposed to be secretive.

LOL   

http://www.artlink.co.za/news_article.htm?contentID=24974

SA actress Natasha Loring stars in M-Net movie
C.M.S.
06/29/2010 13:49:38

Artslink.co.za News

South African DSTV viewers are currently taking note of the international movie Natalee Holloway with local actress Natasha Loring in a featured role.

Shot in Cape Town in 2009 for the Lifetime Movie Network in USA, Natalee Holloway became the highest-rated movie in the network's 11-year history with 3.2 million viewers and received a PRISM award in 2010.

Natalee Holloway highlights an issue that must be every mother's worst nightmare; that of a child going missing while travelling in a foreign country.
 
Based on the book by Natalee Holloway's mother, Beth Twitty, it tells the tale of Natalee's disappearance during a high school graduation trip to Aruba. The events that followed caused a media sensation in the United States.
 
Natasha Loring, daughter of theatre impresario Richard Loring, plays Hayley, Natalee's best friend. The filming of Natalee Holloway came at an opportune time as it served as a caution to Natasha who soon thereafter embarked on a stint of travelling alone through Spain and Morocco, where she brushed up on her Spanish - first learned while on exchange to Argentina. Natasha states that "the screening of the movie came at an ideal time, as it reminds young people celebrating during the World Cup to constantly be aware of danger and to take care".
 
Natalee Holloway will be screened on M-Net and M-Net HD on Tuesday 29 June at 23h00, with further screenings planned on these channels for July - check out your DSTV guide for details.


Additional Notes to Editors:

Just five years after the disappearance of Natalee Holloway, Joran van der Sloot, chief suspect but never convicted, is a prime suspect in the murder of a girl from Peru, Stephany Flores. Van der Sloot in currently in prison in Lima awaiting trial.

It makes the current screening of "Natalee Holloway, the story" that much more topical...

now that's funny!!!!! Thanks for the laugh! ::MonkeyHaHa::

forgive me for saying this, but I think Anita is giving this guy more than money! He seems so determined!

http://arubanboycott.blogspot.com/2005/12/karin-janssen-woman-of-year.html

December 02, 2005
KARIN JANSSEN WOMAN OF THE YEAR?


Now it makes perfect sense to me...if Aruba named her woman of the year, I'm sure they will name PVS man of the year for his poise and patience for having to put up with this 'Natalee Holloway matter'.
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The article about this said it was arranged by his Mommy.

TV presenter sacked for tweet

Tuesday 29 June 2010

Public broadcasting company Tros has sacked tv presenter Cornald Maas for sending what it says is an unacceptable short internet message known as a tweet.

In the tweet, sent the day after the general election, Maas says: 'The Netherlands has odd export products, Sieneke, Joran van der Sloot and PVV.'

Sieneke represented the Netherlands at the last Eurovision song contest and failed to qualify for the final, Joran van der Sloot is suspected of killing two women and the PVV is Geert Wilders' anti-Islam party.

Maas said he is very surprised by the sacking.


http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archives/2010/06/tv_presenter_sacked_for_tweet.php

A toothbrush would be a nice addition here.

"The mysterious woman arrives at the detention center twice a week, apparently at the request of the mother of confessed murderer of the young Stephany Flores"

Joran Van Der Sloot Has A Crush On You.

http://www.youtube.com/v/5DrvrJe-Cog&hl=en_US&fs=1&rel=0&border=1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5DrvrJe-Cog

No curtains = No hanging of one's self

Should be interesting if any other news outlets verify this 1 Million Dollar figure?

http://www.popeater.com/2010/06/29/joran-van-der-sloot-tv-interview/

Joran van der Sloot Eyeing TV Interview Payday

Joran van der Sloot TV Tell-All Worth $1 Million

Several TV insiders have told me that Dutch murder suspect Jordan van der Sloot has refused to give any TV interviews unless he gets paid. And the asking price? $1 million.

Joran"It's amazing how this kid's mind works," one senior producer tells me. "He is on trial for murder and he is thinking about how he can make money selling interviews."

Van der Sloot is said to be thrilled with the amount of press attention he has received, telling Dutch newspaper De Telegraph, from his maximum-security cell in Miguel Castro prison, that he has even been receiving offers of marriage from female fans. Did the media attention he got from that print interview help him come up with that whopping $1 million price tag?

"It's a horrid thing to admit, but he could be right," one TV exec tells me. "An interview with him from behind bars would certainly get huge ratings. And when you think how much money the cast of 'Friends' got per half-hour episode, $1 million for van der Sloot could be considered a bargain."

The 22-year-old (possible serial killer?) is jailed while he awaits trial on charges of first-degree murder and robbery in the May 30 death of Stephany Flores in Peru. In addition, van der Sloot remains a person of interest in the 2005 disappearance of American student Natalee Holloway in Aruba.

I will not be watching any interview. Will you?

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Yes, they are. I wonder, though, how many people have contacted them about disposing of Joran.

Misgivings - I realize they reported Anita arranged for the girl to bring Joran food but don't you think the attorney would likely know more people in the Lima area than Anita?  I was simply saying that after Anita asked Joran's attorney to make sure Joran got food, he arranged to have someone take him food. 

There is a barred opening that leads out to the hallway I think.

(http://www.artlink.co.za/uploadimages/images_595/Natasha_left_as_Hayley______me_Hayley__Natalees_Best_Friend______Amy_Gumenick_as_Natalee_Holloway__filming_on_Camps_Bay_beach_large.jpg)

Natasha (left) as Hayley, me (Hayley - Natalee's Best Friend), Amy Gumenick as Natalee Holloway - filming on Camps Bay beach.

Good Morning, Monkeys!

Early morning coffee thoughts. . .

@MsMarple:

"I couldn't think of any reason why the boys would lie about that."  Karin Janssen referring to the J2K accusations against the security guards.

Right, Karin--what possible reason could they have!


And. . .

Remember Joran banging his head on the elevator earlier.  Of course, we all knew he was trying to make it appear the PLE did something to him but now we know why--to enhance his claims of having been tortured for his law suit.

Nonesuche,  Yes, it is remarkable that Joran's attorney admits his goal is to paralyze the legal proceedings.  The judges are not going to view that favorably.  In fact, it should be illegal to try to obstruct justice like that.


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Too, funny!  But that's exactly what comes to my mind.

I am also pretty sure it's how the rest of the prisoners would see Joran.  It's a very hard environment in there and he is already getting special privileges and treatment.  I think they would definitely see the curtains as feminine.  After all, that's what they are looking for in another inmate because there are no real females.

If this is already here pardon the extra pixels. If not enjoy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DwTQorZJHTM  :smt003

Which is really sort of the same thing.  However, I think Joran may be surprised that the local food is not the same as he is accustomed to. 

There won't be any pankeoken, lol.  And sometimes things are confusing.  For example tuna = some kind of cactus.  And I hope he gets the chicken foot soup, too. 

There is also a regional dish of little round slices of meat cooked with onions that turns out to be beef tongue.  And lots of a local grain Quanoi (not sure how to spell it) which is like rice and very nutritous.  No resort food for Joran and I am sure he will learn to eat it all and clean his plate.

Or go hungry.  His little cans of food can also be taken away from him and if he doesn't share with his new BFF Clown, I think that'w what will happen.

Canned food is expensive, too.  But Anita has her blood money from the interviews so let her feed her monster at her own expense.

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Good morning Monkeys!

Just to clarify, yes he's posted some disgusting stuff but Sebastian didn't post that one himself. 

But his left hand/knuckle does look swollen:


http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t189/zed0101/Joranbruise.jpg[/img]

Although not as noticeable here:

(http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t189/zed0101/Joranbruise2.jpg)

On JVM yesterday, Sloot PI and supporter Les Levine said he didn't understand why "all these crimes" (meaning Natalee) were being pinned on poor Joran and urged people to only deal with the Stephany Flores murder in regard to him.

Of course, that's the same approach as Anita wants.  Or worse, to blame the accusations about Natalee for Joran's current situation. 

That's just wrong and backwards.  No way could Joran have done anything so rutal as the way he killed Stephany if he were not a brutal person to the core of his being.

And now we have his younger brother exhibiting signs of being totally unbalanced.  I wonder how many people Poppin Fresh will have to kill before Anita will admit that one also needs help big time.  She should give that bed she reserved for Joran to him while he is still young enough for it to actually help, if possible.  But there is not much hope for treatment of sociopaths.  It's what they are and not just what they do.

JMO

P.S.  They are discussing all the mental illnesses of Stephanie Ragusa on TruTv right now.  She is the 30 yo who had sex with 14 to high schiil students.  Mental illnesses are being used to try to get her a lesser sentence but they certainly did not prevent her from being convicted.  She is still facing the MAXIMUM sentence.  They threw the book at her.  All criminals have mental issues.

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KARIN JANSSEN

Karin Janssen named Woman of the Year
DIARIO Aruba
12/01/2005

ORANJESTAD (AAN) DIARIO’s Woman of the Year for this year is Karin P. J. Janssen who is chief prosecutor for the Public Ministry.

The reason Mrs. Karin Janssen was selected as Woman of the Year is for the work conducted during this year, but especially for the firm position she too un a case that has surely had a big impact on Aruba and internationally, the case of the missing American woman called Natalee.

It is known that Karin Janssen was and still is the chief of the investigation into the controversial case of Natalee’s disappearance.

There is much pressure on chief prosecutor, from the outside and even within the Public Ministry related to the case in question and she passed very difficult moments where even the government wanted to remove her.

Chief prosecutor Janssen worked hard alongside police to hand over proof on the case of Natalee and although on all sides they encountered many obstacles, they did not lose patience and continued working hard to solve a great problem in which the people of Aruba are not at fault.

None of the negative developments nor the great pressure have made this lady succumb and she has fostered respect and shown great courage.

Once again, a woman in a key position demonstrates that they can maintain a cool head and continue ahead to do their duty and their professional obligation, like Mrs. Karin Janssen has shown during the year.

Posted by Getagrip

http://getagripmonkey.blogspot.com/2005_11_27_archive.html


Jug Twitty Lashes Out at the Prosecutor
Wednesday, September 28, 2005

VAN SUSTEREN: The two of you got into it a little bit on the 28th, and she’s cut you off. But when she met with Dave, Natalee’s father, for four hours, did she talk about the investigation for Natalee, or did it go off on collateral issues?

TWITTY: No. She talked about the issues as far as Natalee, you know, having problems with her family with Beth and I or with her father, or whatever. Of course, all this stuff was talked about way early on in the investigation. She talked about $1 million life insurance policy on Natalee, which is just crazy. She talked about my brother being in the banking business, being in money laundering. And I mean, I just don’t know where this stuff’s coming from, Greta. It’s like she’s not even trying to find out the answers, she’s trying to find out everything, you know, that could be wrong, as far as our family goes. You know, it drives me crazy.

... Yes, she basically tells me, you know, this is the same thing as Van Der Straaten. You know, you keep acting like this, Mr. Twitty, you know, we’re going to quit. And you know, I said, Well, that’s a great attitude to have.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,170678,00.html

Klaas, the first two knuckles on Joran's right hand look swollen in that new photo.  Or am I imagining things?

Whatever. . .but I do hope Peru took photos of all irregularities on Jorann's person.

I think that they did.

At some point I think feet and kicking involved because of his history of having kicked his brothers.

::MonkeyJnBox::


 DILLIGAF

So Joran actually thinks the FBI lured him to Peru? That's awfully narcissistic of him.
Could be that the FBI referred him to Garcia because they knew Garcia was a crooked bad guy. Because sometimes the FBI is funny like that. hah. But Joran seems to suggest that the FBI hooked up with Garcia who would somehow watch Joran and keep him for the FBI until the feds could snag Joran in some back alley white van and whisk him off the the US. Yeah. But something went terribly wrong. Joran arrived in Peru and Garcia told him to go to the casino and Garcia sent in operative Stephany and Joran killed her because she was a fembot. Then he took off her pants to disarm her but... oopsie...


REMINDER:  This thread is for articles only and no discussion.  Thank you.

Moving this post to Natalee Holloway #842.  MuffyBee

 ::MonkeyHaHa::   

Carpe!  Perfection!

I am starting to wonder if the NE is directing Joran's lawyer as to what to do in this case. I believe all the stall tactics the lawyer is using will result in a longer trial, and that Anita, if left to her own resources, will run out of money before Joran's defense is completed, so the money will need to come from somewhere.
I am worried that the food mule will be killed for assisting Joran while he is incarcerated. I don't think it will be too hard for folks to find out who she is and what she is doing.

So Joran wants a $1 million for an interview.

Please, let no one give him that!  I guess he thinks he can buy a lot of protection in prison with that as well as his creature comforts.

Janet!


Joran is in jail!  Let's Dance!!   ::MonkeyWink::



 ::MonkeyDance::    ::MonkeySlide::    ::cartwheel::  ::MonkeyDance::    ::MonkeySlide::  ::cartwheel::  ::MonkeyDance::

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That is nice.. She should be sent this in the mail just in case she missed it.. :}
Maybe she can frame it and hang it on a wall so she can never forget how much support she was to the criminal mindset of the Vandersloot team of Joran Paulus Anita and there slave boys the Kalpoe's 

Anyone who gives Joran Money at this point in criminal. It should not even be allowed.

http://www.nationalenquirer.com/natalee_holloway_der_sloot_mother_map_grave_aruba/celebrity/68883 (http://www.nationalenquirer.com/natalee_holloway_der_sloot_mother_map_grave_aruba/celebrity/68883)

  ::HelloKitty::

Good Mornng Lifesong.

Lifesong ... I will join you in that dance later.  Right now I am sitting at the computer with my bedhead hair still wearing my flannel nighty while waiting for the mornng cobsebs to clear..  It is not a pretty sight.  If I begin twirling around the house in celebration of Joran's incarcination ... there is no doubt that hubby will call that meeting with grown kids regarding their mother's sanity.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Have a good day all!

Janet
8:35 AM PT



 

So Aruba refused to all Dave Holloway and Tim Miller to search the map location and we now have to be concerned that they will find any remains and hide them yet again.

Aruba has less than zero credibility.  They appear fully capable of just about anything to protect their trouism.

That's how this mess came about in the first place.

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Joran is more addicted to media attention and notoriety than he is gambling.

When things quiet down, he will say something else outrageous to get the focus back on himself.


Heaven help us as to what that will be.

Off to work and lurk. . .must do errands today while the heat index is below 105, lol. 

Parting thought--the Dutch must really be steramed that Joran is constantly called Dutch, Netherlander, etc. with no mention of Aruba in the press.

That lets Aruba off the hook and blames the Dutch for this monster.  I'd like to see more focus on Aruba because that's who fostered Joran into the monster he has become.

And since all they care about it tourism, I hope it is having an effect on that as well.  With the Dutch still in the running for the World Cup I am afraid much of this is being lost on that.

And as we have already seen, Aruba has NOT changed their ways one bit in spite of the newly elected government.  They still obstruct even a free search.  Focus on blaming Aruba more, media.

"All we are waiting for is Aruban authorities to agree to work together with us to search the area."

Oh is that all??? I'm sure the ALE are searching first then they'll allow TES to seach, once they clear it, and make sure she's NOT there or if she is they remove her!

Tomorrow night at 8.30pm (local time) yet another Joran special on SBS tv.
The SBS crew shot some footage inside Castro Castro, interviewed the director and some prisoners about Joran's chances on surviving.
They will also show Melody's ABC interview.

Thanks, Jo-An.

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 ::MonkeyShovel::

There have been two fires at the Balbuai pond since Jaap's lie detector show was aired after Paulus'
death.  Aruba claimed at the time that the pond was too big for them to search the whole area.
It seems they would have welcomed help from TES and Dave.

From Carpe's post in the last thread:

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Anthony Hagedoorn is Gayle Goode's husband and they have a sail and snorkel cruise business.  "THE TRANQUILO"

She also teaches Fitness at the Marriot in Aruba and Dancing at Step by Step Dance Studio.

Anthony and Gayle have a daughter about Sebastian's age.  The youtube I posted last night is of Anthony, his daughter, Sebastian and maybe another skateboarder.  From what I gather Anthony is very popular with the young skateboarding group in Aruba.

http://www.tranquiloaruba.com/

Home

Aruba’s best family operated sail and snorkel cruises since 1977.

Tranquilo was founded by Capt. Mike Hagedoorn, then carried on by his son Anthony, sailing with small groups. He makes sure safety and personal attention are top priority. Tranquilo means Tranquility and that is just what we invite you to experience with us. Choose from our famous lunch cruise to the south side with mom’s delicious Dutch pea soup, and drift snorkeling at our secluded reef island “Mikes Reef” at beautiful Spanish Lagoon. Or try our shorter Sunset Beach Cruise, a Sailors Delight sunset trip with snorkel stop.

We also offer private charters, and our prices are very attractive. Having your own sailing yacht for the day has never been this affordable.

http://www.ifaruba.com/pdf/newsletters/2008/03_2008_newsletter.pdf

IFA New Members:

snip:

Gayle & Anthony Hagedoorn are longtime Aruba residents and have one daughter.

(thought it was interesting that they just joined IFA in 2008?)

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http://www.facebook.com/?ref=home#!/profile.php?id=100000007825367&ref=ts

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Thanks Jo-An!  Please update us about it when you can!

Natalee Holloway's uncle comprehended perfectly the folly of working together with the Aruban enemy ... working together with the Aruban enemy who has prevented justice from prevailing since the getgo ... working together with the Aruban enemy and anticipating a positive outcome in the name of justice.

Janet

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THE PERSISTENCE ENDEAVOR


private eye
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #746 4/4
« Reply #499 on: April 09, 2008, 12:39:50 AM »

If I understood Kyle correctly, and that would be that the Arubans retrieved and possessed all finds, not sharing anything with the crew, then that effort was a waste of time and effort. The only thing it could have accomplished was to locate additional evidence for the Arubans to destroy. I am not sure if that was the protocol out of Aruba's waters though. The effort was superb, but the game was fixed.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2769.msg372245;topicseen#msg372245



private eye
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #737 2/29 -
« Reply #559 on: March 01, 2008, 04:08:07 PM »

I hope that the Persistence has not done all of this work and gone to all of this expense only to have gotten itself into an arrangement whereby Aruban divers are the ones who actually verify the targets and are the first ones to physically retrieve evidence, with no American divers physically with them. If so, all I can say is I just can't believe this has happened. But surely I am wrong.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2662.msg358435#msg358435

A woman visiting Joran in prison


On Wednesdays and Saturdays takes canned food and other supplies. The Dutchman can not stand the noise that is in Castro Castro.

A trusted source of the maximum security prison trome.pe informed that a week ago a strange woman skinned brunette seen the murderer of Stephany Flores. Apparently it would have been sent by the mother of Joran, Anita van der Sloot, it is foreign and whenever he entered the jail, the police thoroughly checked if it takes more than food.

It also emerged that Van der Sloot would prefer to remain in his cell before a walk around the yard and your lunch today was alberjita with fried fish, the same as Trujillo Alejandro Ospina Colombian hit man, "Clown", the murderer of Miriam Fefer, and the mayor of Coronel Portillo, Luis Valdez.

Joran called curtains to his cell because he died of cold at night, but his request was denied because it is under observation for 24 hours.

http://trome.pe/noticia/502291/mujer-visita-joran-castro-castro

Anna,

This thought had occurred to me as well.  Completely absurd that Aruba is being given yet another pass in the press for their responsibility in growing, nurturing, and protecting this monster.

Without a doubt, Joran van der Sloot is Aruba's monster.  It was there he was trained in the fine art of gambling and drinking, of drugging and raping American tourists, drinking from the lifeblood trough of the local economy.

That they still lack even the tiniest bit of self awareness, evident in that they even now continue denying the victim's family the freedom to search for her body, would be shocking in any civilized country.  Not in Aruba, where racism is still vogue and you only need fair skin to be considered "elite". 

I will also note that it's in Aruba that Freddy has now graduated to a career in Hospitality of all things, and if the thought of that won't make your hair stand on end then nothing will!

Where is outrage?

Along with all of you, I continue to maintain the sun has not yet set on their day of reckoning. 

Today, we truly are one day closer to Justice for Natalee.  And we aren't going anywhere.