http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1206/05/ijvm.01.htmlJANE VELEZ-MITCHELL
Is Canadian Murder Suspect a Serial Killer?Aired June 5, 2012 - 19:00 ET
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Tonight, could a murder videotaped and posted online be just the beginning? Police now looking at unsolved, grisly murder cases to see whether suspected killer and porn star Luka Magnotta, who cops say dismembered and ate the flesh of his victim could have killed others in the very same way.
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VELEZ-MITCHELL (voice-over): Tonight, sex, lies, videotape and murder. Cops capture Canadian porn star Luka Magnotta on charges of murder, dismemberment and the flesh eating of his former lover. Now, they`re looking at unsolved murder cases to see if this is just the beginning. Is Magnotta addicted to infamy?
We`ll examine eerie parallels to the infamous serial killer Jeffrey Dahmer. Plus, we`re taking your calls.
And disturbing signs of a stunning double life as police bust a 41- year-old Texas socialite they say traded hundreds of stomach-churning child porn photos and videos online from inside her mega-mansion. You will not believe what cops say this Dallas mom admitted in lockup. So why is she out of jail tonight? And what do you really know about the neighbor next door?
And getting fit on the fly from Muscles Magician, Tom Huff.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We`re still missing the head. The head is still missing.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: he hunt for the Ontario-born man has gone international.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Get him back to Canada to face charges of first- degree murder.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He`s known as Luka Rocco Magnotta.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Having repeatedly (ph) abused the corpse of the man he killed, his former boyfriend.
LUKA ROCCO MAGNOTTA, MURDER SUSPECT: You know, I`m not a people person.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It`s a real human being getting decapitated in front of the video, in front of the camera.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And a hand was discovered at a Canada Post sorting center.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Who knows where the other body parts were intended or sent in, or if there are others out there.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We`ve now learned that the suspect videotaped the dismemberment of his victim.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He was apprehended in an Internet cafe.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: For having mailed his body parts to politicians across Canada.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The torso found stuffed in a suitcase behind an apartment in Montreal.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: One hand and one foot are still missing at this moment.
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VELEZ-MITCHELL: The porn star fugitive has now been captured and is headed home to face a murder charge. But big questions: did he cannibalize his victim? Is he another Jeffrey Dahmer?
Jane Velez-Mitchell coming to you live from New York City tonight.
Take a look at this mug shot. Luka Magnotta, the man accused of setting up a camera and videotaping himself murdering, dismembering and, yes, even eating the flesh of his victim. Look at how sinister he is.
Cops say his victim, 33-year-old Jun Lin, was once a lover of Magnotta`s. Cops say on the video, Magnotta also has sex with the corpse.
The victim`s torso was found behind Magnotta`s Montreal apartment, but the victim`s head is still missing tonight.
Now, cops worry there could be more victims. Could the man whose body parts were scattered near the Hollywood sign back in January be one of those victims? It`s still an unsolved case.
Magnotta fled to Europe and was caught in Berlin, Germany, yesterday at an Internet cafe. He was suffering the Internet, reading articles about himself when he was recognized by an employee, who quickly called cops.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE (through translator): He came in. He said, "Monsieur? Internet?"
I said, "OK, 25." And that was it, really.
know him from somewhere, I thought. He`s well known somehow, because I read a lot. I looked in the papers and said, "That`s him who they`re looking for, the porno killer."
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VELEZ-MITCHELL: Now, that guy`s a hero tonight. When arrested, Magnotta said, "You got me." Today in a Berlin court, he did not object to being extradited back home to Canada.
Cops in Montreal have their work cut out for them. They don`t even have every part of the victim yet. Listen to this.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The head is still missing, and we`ve got one hand and one foot still missing at this moment. This is kind of -- I hate to say that, but this is what it is, actually.
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VELEZ-MITCHELL: His left hand and left foot were sent in the mail to politicians. His torso was found behind his apartment in a suitcase. But his head, right hand and right foot are still missing tonight.
Do you think this is just the tip of the iceberg? Call me: 1-877-JVM- SAYS, 1-877-586-7297.
Straight out to CBC reporter Peter Akman out of Montreal.
Peter, we`re up to date now, but let`s move the story forward. What can you tell us about cops currently checking out cold, unsolved cases?
PETER AKMAN, CBC REPORTER: Well, that`s right. They mentioned this morning during the press conference, when they were rolling out some new information, that they were looking at cold-case files not only here in Montreal, but also in the surrounding area. We`re only about an hour from the United States border. So they are looking around. They are checking with police agencies right across this region. And they`re looking to see if there are any links.
Now keep in mind that Magnotta, he not only used that one name, Luka Magnotta, but he also used several other names that he had used online in his tweets, his posts, his things like that. So they are checking all of those backgrounds, all of those names to find out if there are any links to other cold-case files.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Police have yet to find that head of the man Magnotta`s accused of murdering on videotape. Cops say he mailed one hand to a Canadian politicians, one foot to another political party, the dead man`s torso found inside a suitcase behind the apartment building. But the victim`s head, a foot and a hand are still missing.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Still missing three body parts. Were they shipped a different location? We`re talking about this. We`re getting no indication whatsoever, but we`re not taking any chances. We`re working, talking to the postal services to see if there could have been something shipped.
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VELEZ-MITCHELL: All right. Investigative journalist Jon Lieberman, could the missing head have also been dropped in the mail? Or dare I say -- I can`t believe I`m uttering these words -- could he have done something even more gruesome with that head, given that cops say he videotaped himself eating a part of the corpse and feeding a part of the corpse to a dog.
JON LIEBERMAN, INVESTIGATIVE JOURNALIST: I`ve never seen anything like this. I just spoke to a Toronto homicide detective who said they`ve opened all of their files now, looking at cold cases. He believes, this detective, that this guy has killed before. He watched the videotape. He said this is not what they call a rookie killing, a first-time killing.
The second thing is, cops believe this guy may have hid the head as a trophy. So he`s the only one who knows where it is. This is a guy who loves the attention. Cops are counting on the fact that once they get him back to Canada, perhaps he will start talking and reveal where the head is so it will become a big deal and he`ll get credit for telling where that head is.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Briefly, I`m here with Lisa Bloom, noted attorney and author. I did not want to pollute my mind with that video. You, though, Jon, actually watched the video very briefly. Give us your gut reaction.
LIEBERMAN: Never seen anything like it. I mean, he uses an ice pick and he digs out different parts of the muscles, cuts off limbs. At one point, he has a fork and a knife in his hand, and it looks like he`s actually digging into a portion of the victim`s rear end.
Not to mention that he brings in a dog and basically has the dog, you know, feast at the man. Then he`s rubbing body parts against his crotch. I mean, never seen anything like it.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: OK. Police -- we`re getting word right now from my producer that police are investigating the Web site that put the video of the murder up, because they want to see, you know, how far the -- this goes. I mean, this could be the tip of the iceberg. I mean, are we talking about another Jeffrey Dahmer here?
You know, there are some chilling similarities between Magnotta and this infamous American serial killer we`ve all come to know as Jeffrey Dahmer, who was also a cannibal like Magnotta. He allegedly videotaped himself -- Magnotta videotaped himself killing kittens, allegedly. Dahmer`s parents testified he dismembered and experimented on dead cats and animals. Dahmer`s murders had a sexual aspect to them, as well, just as Magnotta`s did.
Listen.
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EFFREY DAHMER, SERIAL KILLER: This was a case to tell the world that I did what I did not for reasons of hate. I hated no one. I knew I was sick or evil or both. Now I believe I was sick. The doctors have told me about my sickness, and now I have some peace.
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VELEZ-MITCHELL: Joe Warmington, reporter, Sun News Network, you interviewed Luka Magnotta. Do you think, given that Jeffrey Dahmer killed 17 men and boys in about 12 years, do you think Magnotta could be another Jeffrey Dahmer?
JOE WARMINGTON, REPORTER, "SUN NEWS NETWORK": Oh, there`s no question about it. I think he could have also inspired him, too, Jane. And I covered some of the Jeffrey Dahmer thing, so I remember it.
I just wanted to break a little news that I was just handed from my colleagues at the Sun News Network and that the Vancouver police have just indicated that they`re investigating finding two body parts 00 I repeat two body parts -- sent to two schools in Vancouver. It`s just breaking now. And so, you know, interesting you mentioned about the head earlier. We don`t know what they are, but there`s three pieces missing, and maybe two have shown up, Jane.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: You said that -- to schools? These body parts were sent to schools?
WARMINGTON: Yes. That`s right. They were sent to two schools, and they received them today. Vancouver Police on the West Coast here in Canada have just -- they`re investigating. and now it`s breaking ten seconds ago. And it`s -- so, you know, the clues, I don`t know they`re, Jane. We`ll have to find out.
But this puts it to five, and so it will be interesting to see, I think your previous guest mentioned, the head. Because, you know, it could be that. And maybe that is the trophy, and that`s the one piece that we don`t know where it is. And it does remind us a lot of Jeffrey Dahmer. There`s no question about it.
Particularly, you know, you deal with this Asian victim, which there was in the Jeffrey Dahmer case. And the fact that it was just this brazen, right in the middle of Milwaukee; here, right in the middle of Montreal and also Berlin. Very crazy stuff, Jane.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: It`s very crazy; it`s very disturbing.
Let`s go to the phone lines. Kathy, Texas. Your question or thought, Kathy.
CALLER: Yes, hi, Jane.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Hi.
CALLER: I want to say that this guy is a complete psycho. First of all, he`s ruined (ph) corpses. But unlike Dahmer, Dahmer had these other issues that he wanted to be something. I think this guy did it just for the publicity. I think he did it for shock value. I think he did this. He did (UNINTELLIGIBLE)
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Absolutely. And let me bring in Lisa Bloom. There are those who say he`s addicted to infamy. He was caught looking at stories of himself. He risked his capture and was captured because he couldn`t stop himself from looking at it.
BLOOM: He couldn`t look away from all of the coverage about him. Unfortunately, now we`re giving him more attention, but it`s all negative attention.
And you know, to me, Jane, one of the most important parts of the story is the animal abuse. And this is why we have to stop animal abusers early and we have to prosecute them vigorously, because they so often end up abusing humans, even brutally murdering humans like we saw here. And like we saw with Jeffrey Dahmer, it so often is a precursor when they start out with animals. Him with little kittens.
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MAGNOTTA: I wasn`t (ph) out standing on a street corner soliciting. Anyway (ph), a hooker. You know, a car drives by and you get $20 or something like that. You know, I`m -- I meet, usually, high-end type clients. You know, the clientele who I cater to.
Right. And they, you know, I don`t really tell a lot of family and friends because you know, the stereotype is associated with it. You know, it`s just not acceptable in our -- in our culture, basically.
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VELEZ-MITCHELL: There is a suspected, now captured, alleged killer on Naked News (ph), talking about how he enjoyed the sex trade.
I want to go to this issue of vorarephilia. Rachael Bell, forensic clinical therapist, author of "Sexual Obsessions Gone Wrong," what is vorarephilia, and why is this Magnotta character described as a vorarephiliac?
RACHAEL BELL, AUTHOR, FORENSIC CLINICAL THERAPIST: Hi, Jane. Hope you`re doing well.
Paraphilias are basically sexual urges or fixations that often overtake one`s social life and have significant legal ramifications, social ramifications. And it`s a psychosexual disorder that we see in a lot of these cases that you`ve been bringing up.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Spell it out in plain English. Is it somebody who gets turned on by a cannibalistic act? Is that what you`re saying?
BELL: Yes. That`s exactly what I`m saying. He`s getting turned on. He`s got what you call sexual cannibalism, where he gets sexual gratification from actually eating other people.
He also has what we would term necrophilia, which is interest in having sex with a corpse. So usually when you have one paraphilia, Jane, you have more than one. You have several. And I think that`s what we`re dealing with. This, coupled with other psychiatric issues. Definitely narcissistic personality disorder.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: It`s unbelievable.
And animal rights activists, as Lisa Bloom mentioned, have been hunting for Magnotta for years because of the many, many kitten mutilation videos he allegedly posted online. We did a Google search for "Magnotta kitten killing video" and got a whopping 309,000 results.
You know, I want to go out to Chris DeRose from Last Chance for Animals. Maybe if police had taken his crimes against animals more seriously and hunted this guy down over the years that he posted, allegedly, these horrific video, this Chinese exchange student might be alive today, Chris DeRose.
CHRIS DEROSE, LAST CHANCE FOR ANIMALS: Right. That`s right, Jane. I`m glad that Lisa Bloom said that she said, because it is that correlation. It`s a direct correlation between doing the animal cruelty, animal abuse, and doing it on humans. It`s next.
When I saw these videos on the cats almost two years ago, I had warned the people that this would probably wind up leading to doing it on human beings.
We try to tell law enforcement agencies this all the time. The FBI knows about it. They feel -- that`s one of the top three things that they look at, animal cruelty. Animal cruelty, they know that this is a good chance it could be a serial killer.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: All right, Chris, we`re going to interrupt you, because law enforcement in Vancouver holding a news conference about the two body parts that have just surfaced, apparently headed to schools. Listen.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: ... where the packages were mailed. Investigators will meet with any outside police agencies as required. The schools are currently cordoned off as forensic examination continues at each location. There`s no indication that any students or staff have been targeted at either school.
And I`d just like to say that this must have been a very, very traumatic incident for all involved at the schools that were involved in opening these packages, and the Vancouver Police Department will assist in any way we can with our Victim Services section.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (UNINTELLIGIBLE)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I have to say that the investigation is only a few hours old now, so I can`t link it to anything right now. As we progress in the investigation, we will provide as much information as we can.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Are you talking to Montreal?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We have liaised with Montreal, and we`ll liaise with any other police agencies that we need to in the course of the investigation.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (UNINTELLIGIBLE)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I -- I can`t discuss it any more than that at this early stage of the investigation.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (UNINTELLIGIBLE).
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No, I don`t have a description of them yet. It`s so early in the investigation.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (UNINTELLIGIBLE).
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I can`t say.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: (UNINTELLIGIBLE).
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I don`t have that. I don`t -- I don`t have the details of the packages at this time, as this is only a few hours old. I believe that the one package was delivered at about 1 p.m. today. So it`s still very early in the investigation.
But as soon as we get those details, we`ll bring them forward. Yes.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (UNINTELLIGIBLE)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (UNINTELLIGIBLE)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: They`ve been physically examined by the police at the scene.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Again, a news conference, authorities in Canada saying two body parts were sent to two different schools. This is a horror story.
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MAGNOTTA: Yes, you know, I really do enjoy my work. I get to meet new people all the time, and, you know, I`m a people person.
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VELEZ-MITCHELL: That from Naked News.
And we`ve got breaking news out of Canada, a news conference being held as we speak. We just brought it to you live where authorities announced that the last two limbs, the body parts were sent to two schools in Canada.
So last week we had a foot -- it`s hard to keep up with all these. A foot and a hand or two feet?
LIEBERMAN: A foot and a hand.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: A foot and a hand sent to political parties. Now we have another foot and another hand sent to schools. The head`s still missing.
What do you make of it? Lisa Bloom, legal analyst at Avo.com (ph)? He wanted to drag this out as long as possible. Once he sends the head to someone, as disgusting as that is, then the victim is identifiable. If he`s sending limbs, hands feet, they`re not. And he wanted to prolong the torture. He didn`t just torture this victim. He`s torturing recipients who are receiving this stuff in the mail, up to and including people at a school.
LIEBERMAN: Totally agree with Lisa. This guy didn`t want to be caught. We have confirmed that he was wearing wigs while on the run, dressing up as a woman. Police were tracking his cell phone. He didn`t want to be caught. Totally agree.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: According to one source, Magnotta idolized the original loner rebel, James Dean. Watch him here, James Dean, in his best- known role from "Rebel Without a Cause."
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You know what type of drunken brawls those parties turn into. It`s no place for kids.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: A minute ago you said you didn`t care if he drinks. He said a little drink.
JAMES DEAN, ACTOR: You`re tearing me apart!
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: What?
DEAN: You, you say one thing and he said another, and everybody changes back again.
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VELEZ-MITCHELL: "The Daily Mail" said Magnotta had plastic surgery to look like James Dean. Here`s the side by side.
Chris DeRose, Last Chance for Animals, you actually tried to lure him out of hiding by posting things about James Dean on the Internet. Tell us briefly.
DEROSE: That`s right, Jane. We -- we did a profile on him first, and we saw he was very narcissistic about himself. So one of the things we were doing to appeal to that, to try to draw him out. We weren`t trying to mislead the law enforcement. We weren`t trying to mislead the public. We were just trying to mislead him and get him out, and it was working. Our whole tactic was starting to work.
The profile on this guy, we had it down right. So we got in -- we got in communication with some of the people that was either him or there were people that know him.
This funny thing, too, though, Jane: while he was in France, we`ve gotten a bunch of hits from somebody in France. When he was in Germany, we got a bunch of hits on our sites that were set up, by him. So it was either him or somebody that knows him very well.
This information is being turned over now to law-enforcement agencies in Canada and Interpol.
So we`re immediately on this. We didn`t want to mislead. We`re not misleading anybody. I want to make that clear. All our objective was, to catch this guy, catch him and then show the correlation, because we`re an animal organization. Last Chance for Animals goes after the bad guy. We want to show this correlation like Lisa Bloom said before and show that it`s directly related.
This would be the Michael Vick case on pit bulls, this will be for animal cruelty. This is a very key point.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: A global man hunt may have paid off. Police think the man suspected of mailing body parts in Canada is in custody in Germany.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The suspect is a 29-year-old model and self-styled porn actor named Luka Rocco Magnotta.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He is not known to police and has no previous criminal record. A severed foot was found at the Conservative Party headquarters and a hand was discovered at a Canada Post sorting center.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Who knows where the other body parts were intended or sent or if there were others out there?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We`ve now learned that the suspect videotaped the dismemberment of his victim.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: They are aware he had postings on YouTube. There are reports that in those videos he was killing kittens.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Police say they nabbed him at an Internet cafe in Berlin, Germany thousands of miles from the scene of his alleged crimes.
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VELEZ-MITCHELL: 29-year-old Luka Magnotta was arrested last night in Berlin. He`s going to be extradited back to Canada, but the big news described just moments ago in a live news conference out of Canada is that two more body parts of his purported victim have been found because they were sent to schools in Canada.
So this sicko, if indeed he is responsible for the murder of his former lover, dismembering and videotaping his assault on this man which included a sexual assault and even, I dare say, eating parts of his flesh and then dismembering the body and sending it to various political officials even as he was arrested last night there were two more body parts in the mail that were received today by schools in Canada.
Outrageous, unbelievable stuff of nightmares. Listen to this suspect describe his career to the "Toronto Sun".
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LUKA ROCCO MAGNOTTA, MURDER SUSPECT: I`ve also been a stripper and then basically I went from there to doing adult films and I`m not to do it (inaudible). I have a problem though with people saying those derogatives.
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VELEZ-MITCHELL: Now, Joe Warmington, reporter, Sun News Network; you`ve actually interviewed this man. There are reports Magnotta may have been disguised as a woman when he was hiding out in Germany -- and these are mock-ups made by our graphics team of what he might have looked like in disguise.
When he was arrested he was not in costume. Do you think he wanted to get caught, Joe?
JOE WARMINGTON, REPORTER, SUN NEWS NETWORK: You know what? Whatever the intention is he would want to be. He also likes the whole thing, but I just have to tell you, Jane. I`m creeped out just listening to your show here and being part of it when you think about how close I was to him and just a couple of feet away from him and to think of all of these horrible things that this man is alleged to have done.
And so it is one freaky, freaky thing for a reporter here in Canada the more I think about it.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, let`s listen to the news conference that ended literally moments ago out of Vancouver; law enforcement describing two body parts that showed up at schools.
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WARREN LEMCKE, VANCOUVER POLICE DEPUTY CHIEF: Vancouver police are investigating two disturbing incidents in which human remains were discovered in separate packages mailed to two local area schools this afternoon.
The first package containing what appeared to be a human hand was opened by staff at False Creek Elementary School after 1:00 p.m. today. Another package containing what appeared to be a human foot was found by staff at St. George`s School later this afternoon.
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VELEZ-MITCHELL: Unbelievable, Robyn Walensky, anchor/reporter "The Blaze". Do you think this is the tip of the iceberg from your many years covering crime?
ROBYN WALENSKY, ANCHOR/REPORTER, "THE BLAZE": Jane, I think there`s going to be more. I think he started with the animals. He didn`t get high enough and then he moved on to humans.
As I listened to that news conference live with you here, and what strikes me about it is that from a CSI perspective, this is a treasure. Those two boxes that were sent to the school, Jane, they have the wrapping. They have the tape. They have possible fingerprints. The material, possibly in plastic if he put the body parts in there.
They will take those two boxes and compare them to the one box that was sent to the Canadian Prime Minister, to Stephen Harper`s Conservative Party and then to the fourth box that was sent to the Liberal Party. They will look at all four of those boxes and compare and contrast and I bet you, Jane it`s all going to come back to one person, him.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Could Magnotta also be the Hollywood sign killer. You remember back in January, we covered the story here. Two women walking their dogs found a severed head and a hand of a man? All of these body parts scattered on the trail near the famous Hollywood sign.
Facebook postings on an account attributed to Magnotta indicate he was in L.A. less than a month after -- we have photos of him in Hollywood. The LAPD says well, they don`t think it`s connected but it`s still unsolved -- Jon Leiberman.
JON LEIBERMAN, INVESTIGATIVE REPORTER: No. And this is now worldwide investigation. Any unsolved case where there is a beheading is being looked into. And I want to point out two other things. One, this guy had 70 Facebook pages and at least eight aliases, police confirm. And they believe they have his DNA from inside of a hotel room in Paris. While he was on the run he spent the night with two different men. They believe they have his DNA.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Rachael Bell, forensic clinical therapist -- why two schools and then two political parties for these limbs?
RACHAEL BELL, FORENSIC CLINICAL THERAPIST: Well, you know, Jane, I believe that he was showing off his work. He was an exhibitionist and a sadist and he liked to show that power and control that he had over others.
And I think this is all wrapped into the sexual psychological issues that he`s struggling where he`s just very much like Dennis Raider (ph), taunting others. And I think that`s why he had so many Facebook pages. Of course, that played into his narcissism and you have a lot of different factors at play here.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes, Joe Warmington quickly.
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BELL: And I think he was taunting.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: When you talked to this guy, when you talked to him - - did you get chills? Did you get any sense of I`m looking at this killer? This sadist?
WARMINGTON: I knew he was really strange, and he creeped me out for sure. I certainly didn`t think he was a killer. I just wish I had known about the kittens and I would have helped a lot earlier to try to stop him. I feel terrible about that.
You know I also -- like the gentleman you had on about the kittens, and I`m sure that he e-mailed me as well from Europe. I received Europe time. And, you know, the more I think about it, yes, this is really, really scary stuff.
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VELEZ-MITCHELL: We need something light -- your viral video of the day.
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