Natalee Case Discussion #831 3/13/10 - 4/22/10

[texasmom]

Hey,

Does anybody have some choice tips on how to help this idiot make a quilt?

Don't really have any tips on making a quilt, but a story keeps coming to mind about someone who wrapped another person up in a quilt and beat them with a skillet or something like that...

 

 

[Keepthefaith]

JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY

GOODNIGHT & GOD BLESS

KEEPTHEFAITH
 

[Magnolia]

Hey,

Does anybody have some choice tips on how to help this idiot make a quilt?

Don't really have any tips on making a quilt, but a story keeps coming to mind about someone who wrapped another person up in a quilt and beat them with a skillet or something like that...

 

 

They better get on that quilt.  It takes a long time to get a quilt made.

[texasmom]

Hey,

Does anybody have some choice tips on how to help this idiot make a quilt?

Don't really have any tips on making a quilt, but a story keeps coming to mind about someone who wrapped another person up in a quilt and beat them with a skillet or something like that...

 

 

They better get on that quilt.  It takes a long time to get a quilt made.

I thought so too! 

[texasmom]

Truth and Justice for Natalee!

[MisGivings]

Hey,

Does anybody have some choice tips on how to help this idiot make a quilt?

Well, you can't thread a needle is you can't see what is obvious in front of you...

[jen3560]

Valentijn van der Sloot is a certified diver

On January 7, 2006 the “International School of Aruba” reported:

ISA Diving News!

Congratulations to Valentijn van der Sloot, Mr. and Mrs. Porath and Mr. Werner on the successful completion of their Advanced Open Water Course! To earn their next level of certification, they completed dives focusing on underwater navigation, reef species identification, night diving, wreck diving and deep diving. Well done!
The water has warmed up, the visibility has cleared and we know what that means....it's time to go diving again! Celebrate the end of semester exams and the second quarter by going diving. January's scheduled dives will take place over the weekend of January 22 to 25. Look for more details in next week's Breeze!
Mrs. Sawatzky

ISA Scuba Diving Sponsor

http://diveclub.isaruba.com/


It is one of the many things you can learn at ISA, huh?

Headmaster Werner? 

[jen3560]

Thanks TXMom.  So does this say she still holds the same personnel type position she did back in 2005?

Dolfi Richardson's wife:

http://www.24ora.com/content/view/16814/8/

Jeanette Richardson-Baars

[Lifesong]

I think this is another picture of Silvetti.  Judging from the background and the cold weather attire, this must've been taken before the Persistence left the US for Aruba.  The elbow next to Tim Miller is Dave Holloway's.

I remember reading that Dave had gone to see the ship, but I don't think I realized that Beth had been onboard the Persistence as well.

[Lifesong]

Who do these guys work for?  Texas Equusearch, Silvetti or Schaefer?  Does anyone recognize the shirts?

Tim is looking over at Schaefer in what appears to be a hotel breakfast-type area.

[texasmom]

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_70644.php

Google translation:

Possible within two months new police chief
March 31, 2010, 14:03 (GMT -04:00)

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Chief Constable Peter White today officially belongs to St. Maarten police or he can be.

ORANGE CITY - Chief Constable Peter leaves the White certainly not by April 1. Announces that in response to persistent rumors that he was at that date the new police chief of St. Maarten is. "If it continues, then I think two months is a reasonable time."

He says that ¬ - for a long time ago - talks between the government of St. Maarten and the future land himself. During these conversations, De Witte consultation process about the position of police chief. "Helping to build a new country looks like a great challenge," he says this.

While the media firmly into that of St. Martin de Witte as chief, he has not heard anything formally. "Today I am called by Justice Minister Magali Jacoba. Then I know more, "said the White this morning. No formal attachment to the Chief Constable no further comment on the news. Speculation about a possible successor, he points to the hand. "This is what I want to first minister (Arthur Dower, ed) talk."

The police chief since December 2006 serving as head of the Police Corps of Aruba. He then signed a contract for three years, which expired last December. He signed again for three years to 2012. That he leaves, still seems a foregone conclusion. "I'm not wrong. If they want me in St. Maarten, I must also look at what they offer me. "Last year went to another chief justice to St. Maarten. Then the Aruban Chief Prosecutor Hans Mos crossing. He exchanged his robes for the same job on Aruba St. Maarten.

[texasmom]

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_70643.php

Google translation:

ARUBA

No building permit Ritz Carlton

March 31, 2010, 14:01 (GMT -04:00)


Some palapas Vela Windsurf morning was demolished for the construction of the Ritz Carlton hotel.

ORANGE CITY - The Ritz Carlton hotel does not have a permit to build. This confirms the Public Works Department (DOW) AVP after this announcement of the week. "We have until the end of last week given the structural calculations. Which are under examination. One and two weeks of authorization is done, "said Jossy Figaroa director.

The work of the developers Hotelco / Ritz Carlton, which commenced ten days ago, under the "site preparation" of the site, explains Figaroa out. "There is no need planning permission." DOW experts therefore now examine the technical details of the construction of the hotel. Figaroa expected soon, however, that a permit can be issued. "Within one to two weeks and can really be built."

That no building permit was issued in early this week. The fraction of AVP did know when to prepare a motion in which she still calls on the Government to build the hotel stop by not approving. The first group wants the government to re-examine the legal advice with Hotelco / Ritz Carlton signed lease agreement. In this newspaper on Monday that the group also wants the government to withdraw the building permit, but that is incorrect.

Work on site at the Fisherman's Huts goes through full hat. This morning, again working on an appropriate diversions and killed a number of palapas Vela Windsurf. The kite company was only informed of this yesterday. "This morning at half past eight, they are removed by Ritz," said the manager Monique Angle. "With large bulldozers, they all run over." The company already leases 12 years the site of the Marriott hotel and provides a windsurfing lesson. Also rent the surfing equipment. Angle says that they're less able to give service to their guests and boaters all the diversions of 'their' area need. "Wind surfers and boats are now on the same spot in the water and this can lead to dangerous situations." Many discussions, the company not with the hotel developers had, maar Vela Windsurf is assured that they can stay as the hotel klaar is, aldus The angle.

[texasmom]

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_70645.php

Google translation:

The Village Entertainment Center for sale

March 31, 2010, 14:05 (GMT -04:00)

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Chino Latino restaurant in The Village save money and after a conversion is much smaller.

ORANGE CITY - Barely one year after the opening of the shopping and entertainment center, The Village at Palm Beach this is now for sale. This has Amigoe heard from various sources. The family Neme whose principal shareholder of The Village, was unavailable for comment.

by our reporter
Alex Lacle

The reason for selling is not known, but entrepreneurs in the area do show that the center attracts little public. Association of Catering Manager Evert Gerard's Wine and Dine, which include the Chino Latino restaurant and Cactus Jack covered, confirms that the Village for sale. These are catering businesses in the Village and especially Chino Latino at the start it took a lot going public. That is a lot less.

According to Gerard's sale will not have a direct impact on restaurants. "We have long-term leases. I think in five years with a unilateral option for another five years. "A new owner with the same contracts to make, he explains. "So we will change nothing."
 
Moreover let Gerard request that their restaurant Cactus Jack also for sale. "We have already had a long time negotiating with Harmen Gieske. The talks are at an advanced stage. "Gieske is a renowned chef cook-which includes career was at the Renaissance Hotel. The reason for the divestment of Cactus Jack Gerard is in the fact that the restaurant currently too many demands attention but too little advantage. Gerard also like Chino Latino also downsize to cut costs. It all goes lower, according to the horecaman more to do with the large number of companies that opens. "We had more trouble than the economic recession."

Chino Latino is opposite the property since the opening of The Village partially empty.
The owner of the entertainment center is subject reportedly at an advanced stage of negotiation with Grupo Anderson. This is the Mexican parent company of Señor Frog's and entertainment venues and Carlos and Charlie's. The company would be interested in a little Carlos and Charlie's restaurant to put down. The high price would be a stumbling block.

By Niels Stooter, manager of Taste of Belgium, is also known that the Village for sale. Taste of Belgium has several restaurants including The Village Papillon that is. This restaurant is good, however. Stooter is said to note that the other issues standing in the sale of shopping and entertainment district is less.

[texasmom]

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_70639.php

Google translation:

ARUBA

Flight Attempt killer

March 31, 2010, 13:39 (GMT -04:00)

SAN NICOLAS - Melvin Lopez, who in 2007 was sentenced to fifteen years in prison for murder, tried to escape when he visited his grandmother. This failed.

Lopez is set for the murder of Pedrito Peralta slightly during the parade in San Nicolas.
He had submitted a request to visiting his grandmother. The woman is cared for at St. Michael Pavilion in Orange City. Guards Cuerpo Especial Aruba (CEA) went to the prisoner. When, after some time wanted to end the visit, they could not find Lopez. He did not get to his grandmother, but wandered around the building in an attempt to escape from the nursing home. The guards have repeatedly warned Lopez not to do, but it hit the prisoner in the wind. He became even clashed with the guards and tried to get away again. To prevent Lopez really would escape, the guards were all gates and entrances to the pavilion closed. Eventually she quietly off to the jail in San Nicolas.

[Tamikosmom]

FBI FOLLOWUP?

Were the members of the Persistence crew contacted and questioned by the FBI following  receipt of the Natalee's Freebirds documentation which appears to reveal a betrayal of an American citizen by the Project lead.

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ORIGINAL - NOVEMBER 26, 2007

The Search for Natalee Holloway

Monday, November 26, 2007
I. Mobilization

KKey Personnel:
 
Louis Shaffer - Project Lead and Key Contributor - Responsible for financial support, planning, public relations, and press coordination.
 
Tim Miller - Texas Equusearch http://www.texasequusearch.org/ - Project Management, gathering support, missing persons specialist

Tim Trahan - Underwater Expeditions - Project Management

John Silvetti - Project Lead and Key Contributor- Responsible for overall project planning and development. Owner of Marine Surveys, LLC . Donated the R/V Persistence for the search effort.
http://silvettigroup.com/

Marc Broussard - Project Manager - Responsible for logistics, personnel, and planning.

Kent Bourg- Party Chief - Responsible for the R/V Persistence operations and safety. Kent will also operate the side scan sonar.

Kyle Kingman - Field Project Manager, Geophysical Engineer and Marine Geologist - Responsible for side scan sonar acquisition, digital processing, analysis, and target identification. Kyle will assist in side scan sonar operation and guide the ROV (remotely operated vehicle) team to each sonar target.

Dr. Rob Floyd - Marine Geologist /Archaeologist - Responsible for analog sonar data interpretation and analysis and quality control.

Anthony Fontenot - Acoustic Positioning Technician - Responsible for navigation, acoustic tracking, and positioning of the side scan sonar and ROV.

Posted by Kyle Kingman

http://nholloway.blogspot.com/2007/11/mobilization.html


EDITED - SOME PERIOD OF TIME PRIOR TO MARCH 5, 2009

The Search for Natalee Holloway

Monday, November 26, 2007
I. Mobilization

Key Personnel:

Louis Schaefer Jr. - Project Lead and Key Contributor

Tim Miller - Project Management -Founder of Texas Equusearch http://www.texasequusearch.org/

Tim Trahan - Underwater Expeditions - Project Management

John Silvetti - Project Lead and Key Contributor- Responsible for overall project planning and development. Owner of Marine Surveys, LLC . Providing the R/V Persistence for the search effort. http://silvettigroup.com/

Marc Broussard - Project Manager

Kent Bourg - Party Chief

Kyle Kingman - Geophysical Engineer and Marine Geologist

Dr. Rob Floyd - Marine Geologist /Archaeologist

Anthony Fontenot - Acoustic Positioning Technician

Posted by Kyle Kingman

http://nholloway.blogspot.com/2007/11/mobilization.html

[Magnolia]

In Kyle Kingman's own words he said that he talked to the FBI and he asked: What about Kermit?

The FBI said: Don't worry about Kermit.

Believe it or not????

[Tamikosmom]

I am a believer in Kyle Kingman's own words which were submitted to the Natalee's Freebirds' forum regarding the happening on board the Persistence encompassing the trap/cage.  However ... it is apparent that at some period in time Kyle is having second thoughts in regards to his original honorable intentions of exposing what appeared to him to be a betrayal of Natalee Holloway and her family.

Janet

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BACKTRACKING

klassend
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #787 12/24/08 -
« Reply #411 on: December 30, 2008, 06:53:44 PM »

Sent to me by Natalee's Freebirds

<snipped>

We compiled the images Kyle presented us, along with his opinions and the facts surrounding the sequence of events regarding that fishing cage.  Kyle stated he would be getting in touch with Beth Holloway.
 
We later found out that never happened.

At this time, Kyle shared with us the broadcast networks he had approached in February, in an attempt to sell these images to the highest bidder.
 
This didn't concern us greatly at that time - as we were under the impression US law enforcement and Natalee's family had already been made aware of their find.
 
Approximately May 2008 Kyle began dodging questions for details (we had asked for names of Aruban police and divers to be included in our documentation of these events), hedging on moving forward with this, and then he completely disappeared from our board.
 
During that time, we learned Kyle had never contacted Beth, or Dave, or the FBI with this information.

<snipped>

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4269.msg603349#msg603349


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KYLE KINGMAN -MIXED MESSAGES

ldstlou
Re: The Cage « Reply #157 on: March 19, 2009, 12:25:09 pm »

The last posts are taken from the e-mail that Kyle sent to Jug and I in December …

"I had questions which were very unsettling about what I had observed during the search including the events surrounding the trap inspection by the Aruban divers and how the samples were handled by ALE - solely Richardson. This made me very uneasy. It was unsettling and I had no one to talk about it with. The Freebird forum was a place where I could safely discuss the unsettling aspects of the search and see if there were any connections. I only did so after the group agreed that nothing would leave the forum. I never wished for any of it to leave the forum."

http://goldmonkey.org/index.php?topic=980.msg12191#msg12191


Kyle Kingman - In His Own Words

Kyle Kingman:  I couldn't agree more. It was wrong to sit on the footage. I did everything I could to get them out and get them to Beth. Imagine how I felt having found the trap. I was told to move forward and to forget about the trap. I was told not to show anyone the images. I got around this through Tim Trahan. It took months. The only way I felt I could do anything was through here. I hoped through here that at least the images could get to Beth.

Kyle Kingman: Since I got the go ahead from Tim (T), we can legally move forward. The document should follow-up the screen shots and trap content description. We can sent the document after the initial dialog. I trust then she (Beth) will be interested in the document.  The contents of the document should be discussed and agreed upon by the birds. Since I'm new here, I should take a back seat to this IMO. I would think it would be a case synthesis which culminates with the trap contents and lack of interest and motivation to fully process the site. Perhaps Beth will then use the document to create the proper motivation using the information to apply political pressure from both sides. The problem I ran into earlier with the FBI was that their hands are tied to do anything unless they're invited to the party. I think political pressure properly applied will ensure an invite to the party. Thoughts?

Title - perhaps "Case Synthesis and Search Results", or something to that effect.

Kermit - Scared Monkeys
 

KYLE KINGMAN - EMAIL TO KERMIT

Kermit
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #786 12/17/08 -
« Reply #540 on: December 19, 2008, 06:15:18 PM »

Kyle sent me this today[/b]

Kermit,
 
You and the others agreed to a statement of confidentiality and nondisclosure at FB.  Before I posted any information, I posted a copyright notice at the very start which disallowed ANY and ALL of my posts, intellectual property, or pictures to leave the spot they were posted.  Everyone, including yourself, acknowledged this affirmatively. A lawyer said that ownership of that posted material cannot be transferred by a general claim of copyright such as a claim made on the front page of a website, or even by verbal consent. Written agreement, meaning a signed agreement, is required for the post to be owned by the site owner. Without a signed agreement, the poster owns the post. I did not give you permission, which I have stated many times when you were in violation. While the rest agreed, you violated this legal agreement repeatedly.  You have taken many of my posts, snipped what you wanted to put them into your context, and then shared them in a public forum.  The "public domain" notion only applies where someone has copyright ownership over the work in the first case and that ownership has lapsed. In that case, all posts can be freely reproduced by anyone, anywhere, without violating copyright law. However, this is clearly not the case.

I will state this with absolute clarity so there is no misunderstanding:
I have confirmed with the FBI on multiple instances that they have had possession of the ROV videos since very early on. I personally didn't send the ROV footage to them because another project lead had already at the first opportunity while we were still in Aruba. I sent all of the ROV screen shots directly to the FBI the day they were acquired.

I also got confirmation back in February by Tim Trahan who was in constant contact with Beth during the search that she indeed had all the information including the statements and has seen the ROV videos. I personally confirmed all of this with the senior FBI agent in charge of the investigation as well as given him my personal account of all that I witnessed and knew. They have this on record.  Birmingham is not the office in charge.
 
The information you have been spreading is not only inaccurate and a violation of a non-disclosure, it is slanderous and spreading misinformation. The damage it has done to my professional relationship with J. Silvetti is incalculable which has a direct effect on my ability to provide for my family, which includes my daughter named after Natalee.
 
I have neither publicly responded to your provocative antics, or retaliated with personal attacks in response to yours. I also have never threatened you as you publicly claimed.
 
I recently asked the senior FBI agent in charge how I should handle this situation which you have incited.   I thought his response was terrific. He replied: "Just sit back and keep quiet.  Kermit doesn't matter".

So this is exactly what I've done. I wrote this letter to you as a gesture of courtesy in hopes it would save you from further embarrassment from those who actually know something about this case.  I'm not referring to myself, rather the family and lead investigators who are out legitimately investigating this case in pursuit of justice right to the top.
 
Sincerely,
 Kyle

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4246.msg592482;topicseen#msg592482

[Tamikosmom]

I do believe that Kyle Kingman's own words in the following email exerpts says it all concerning his second thoughts in regards to exposing John Silvetti's betrayal to Natalee Holloway and her family.

Kyle ... it is not too late to follow through on your original honorable intentions ... it is not too late for the truth to be revealed.  Doing right is not always easy but ... it is right.

 

Janet

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A CONFLICT OF THE CONSCIENCE

Kermit
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #786 12/17/08 -
« Reply #540 on: December 19, 2008, 06:15:18 PM »

Kyle sent me this today

Kermit,

.... The information you have been spreading is not only inaccurate and a violation of a non-disclosure, it is slanderous and spreading misinformation. The damage it has done to my professional relationship with J. Silvetti is incalculable which has a direct effect on my ability to provide for my family, which includes my daughter named after Natalee ....

Sincerely,
 Kyle

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4246.msg592482;topicseen#msg592482

ldstlou
Re: The Cage « Reply #157 on: March 19, 2009, 12:25:09 pm »

The last posts are taken from the e-mail that Kyle sent to Jug and I in December

"I didn't threaten any of them. I said that I personally didn't want to get sued for breaking a confidentiality agreement with information ending up on the Internet. Them pushing it all out put me at risk legally and jeopardized my relationship with John (which is now destroyed over this). Also, this information did not belong posted on the Internet in the first place. It was a huge naive misjudgement on my part to trust this group enough to share it in confidence."

http://goldmonkey.org/index.php?topic=980.msg12191#msg12191

[Lifesong]

I think it's interesting that Kyle never mentions Dr. Rob Floyd and/or his interpretation of what the pictures showed, what was in the trap, etc.

To listen to Kyle talk it sounds as if its only him and Silvetti on the ship.  I can respect him not wanting to speak for others, but he sure didn't mind telling what he knew about Tim Miller.  Why none of his shipmates?

[Tamikosmom]

I think it's interesting that Kyle never mentions Dr. Rob Floyd and/or his interpretation of what the pictures showed, what was in the trap, etc.

To listen to Kyle talk it sounds as if its only him and Silvetti on the ship.  I can respect him not wanting to speak for others, but he sure didn't mind telling what he knew about Tim Miller.  Why none of his shipmates?

Lovesong

In his posts ... Kyle Kingman refers to both Tim Miller and Tim Trahan's participation in the events encompassing the trap.

Could it be that Tim Miller and Tim Trahan were the only two crew members who were the focus of the NBC Dateline production?  Could it be that Tim Miller and Tim Trahan were the only two crew members who were heard on the talk show circuit?

I believe ... if they broke their silence ... ALL members of the Persistence crew could affirm  Kyle Kingman's own words.  This is why I am curious if the FBI contacted and questioned them regarding their observations and insighted following the receipt of the Natalee's Freebirds' documentation of Kyle Kingman's own words regarding the betrayal of an American citizen.

Janet

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1. Tim Miller
2. Tim Trahan
3. Marc Broussard
4. Kent Bourg
5. Kyle Kingman
6. Dr. Rob Floyd
7. Anthony Fontenot


Kyle Kingman - In His Own Words

Kyle Kingman:  Personally, I fed off of Tim's inflated confidence and my own on the night of Dec 29th. I did not sleep. Few of us did. The only person able to remain completely objective, much to his credit, was John Silvetti.

Kyle Kingman:  Dateline (Tim Uelinger) had an agreement with Tim Miller to 'do a story to tell about and help promote TES and give TM recognition, and perhaps a 10 minute side-line story on Natalee along with 11 other missing persons. Dateline tagged along with TM for a while pre-NH search. They (TM and Dateline) came on the Persistence between 15-Dec and 30-Dec.

Kermit - Scared Monkeys


THE DATELINE PRODUCTION

The search for Natalee Holloway

TRANSCRIPT
By Chris Hansen
Correspondent
NBC News
updated 5:20 p.m. PT, Fri., Feb. 22, 2008

On Dec. 30, off the coast of Aruba, divers from the Aruban police force and the research vessel Persistence were about to make a crucial dive on a promising target in the search for Natalee Holloway.
 
The researchers had discovered a fish trap about 90 feet below the surface in almost the exact spot search expert Tim Miller had theorized Natalee’s body might be.

Team leader Tim Trahan suited up to join the Aruban police divers. As Tim Miller wished him well, the divers hit the water and the ROV was sent down to capture what would happen for everyone watching on board.

More:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23301056/page/5/