Natalee Case Discussion #840 6/17/10 - 6/22/10

[Ono]

Dutch tv-network SBS has permission to go into Castro Castro on Monday and the reporter will try to talk to Joran.
Maybe he -just like his mommy- only wants to talk to the Dutch press and not the American.
I'll keep you guys posted.

Thanks-appreciate it!

[canoworms]

Dutchlasy was using her forensics knowledge and psychological profiling as well as psychic ability.
Her phrase was "Matchsticks and Matchsticks, Cats and dogs, On the streets, with wooden clogs"
something like that...saying it was near rotting material, a dump, a place with water, where they burn materials,...dogs and cats were thrown in there. the clogs speak for themselves.
she also thought Paul was having an affair that night.
check her out.
the thread is still there,

[can]

Dutch tv-network SBS has permission to go into Castro Castro on Monday and the reporter will try to talk to Joran.
Maybe he -just like his mommy- only wants to talk to the Dutch press and not the American.
I'll keep you guys posted.

Thanks Jo-An.
I posted earlier that I am concerned about reporters trying to interview Joran.  Particularly at this time before his trial begins. 

Joran will understand just how important he is to the Press -

I would rather see him ignored.

I asked earlier if the Peruvian LE would allow this?

Would appreciate any opinion.  tia

[Magnolia]

Dutchlasy was using her forensics knowledge and psychological profiling as well as psychic ability.
Her phrase was "Matchsticks and Matchsticks, Cats and dogs, On the streets, with wooden clogs"
something like that...saying it was near rotting material, a dump, a place with water, where they burn materials,...dogs and cats were thrown in there. the clogs speak for themselves.
she also thought Paul was having an affair that night.
check her out.
the thread is still there,

Dutchlady was an interesting read, but I always suspected she was a shill, much like Shango/Simian
and the four headed Capsloclwizard.

[canoworms]

wing,...check out this one.
http://www.facebook.com/people/Liongnardo-Hugen/627414716
he likes Texas Hold EM, and has Asian friends.
Interesting.

[SunnyinTX]

Dutch tv-network SBS has permission to go into Castro Castro on Monday and the reporter will try to talk to Joran.
Maybe he -just like his mommy- only wants to talk to the Dutch press and not the American.
I'll keep you guys posted.

Thanks Jo-An.....this will be interesting!

[canoworms]

Dutchlasy was using her forensics knowledge and psychological profiling as well as psychic ability.
Her phrase was "Matchsticks and Matchsticks, Cats and dogs, On the streets, with wooden clogs"
something like that...saying it was near rotting material, a dump, a place with water, where they burn materials,...dogs and cats were thrown in there. the clogs speak for themselves.
she also thought Paul was having an affair that night.
check her out.
the thread is still there,

Dutchlady was an interesting read, but I always suspected she was a shill, much like Shango/Simian
and the four headed Capsloclwizard.

Crikey....SNAKES! Thank you Magnolia. lol, four headed.

[Jo-An]

Dutch tv-network SBS has permission to go into Castro Castro on Monday and the reporter will try to talk to Joran.
Maybe he -just like his mommy- only wants to talk to the Dutch press and not the American.
I'll keep you guys posted.

Thanks Jo-An.
I posted earlier that I am concerned about reporters trying to interview Joran.  Particularly at this time before his trial begins. 

Joran will understand just how important he is to the Press -

I would rather see him ignored.

I asked earlier if the Peruvian LE would allow this?

Would appreciate any opinion.  tia

Hi can.

This was written in De Telegraaf this morning (from Anita's interview, although this wasn't said by Anita but written by the reporters):

The director of Castro Castro yesterday tried to convince Joran van der Sloot to have an interview with CNN about the "excellent conditions in his cell" and him being treated well.
When Joran said no, he was taken out of his cell and reporters were given access to his cell. They were allowed to take pictures and shoot videos.

So the prison manager tried to use him for his own benefit.

[klaasend]

Wonder if Joran was trying to get to Brazil and Fabienne? 

[Magnolia]

Dutchlasy was using her forensics knowledge and psychological profiling as well as psychic ability.
Her phrase was "Matchsticks and Matchsticks, Cats and dogs, On the streets, with wooden clogs"
something like that...saying it was near rotting material, a dump, a place with water, where they burn materials,...dogs and cats were thrown in there. the clogs speak for themselves.
she also thought Paul was having an affair that night.
check her out.
the thread is still there,

Dutchlady was an interesting read, but I always suspected she was a shill, much like Shango/Simian
and the four headed Capsloclwizard.

Crikey....SNAKES! Thank you Magnolia. lol, four headed.

Four people posting under one nik....CapsLockWizard.
That is why we called it 4 headed.

[texasmom]

http://www.24ora.com/policial-mainmenu-8/18837-maria-dolores-vrolijk-haya-morto-den-cas-na-duartestraat.html

Papiamentu translation:

maria dolores vrolijk attain dead in cas at duartestraat

saturday, 19 june 2010 14:32

saturday afternoon owing to come into informacion by one caso sospechoso where one lady do not give sign by life. ambulance owing to go at the adres duartestraat 19 in the casnan by folk at north. ey paramediconan not can owing to haci mucho for her senjora. owing to ask presencia by one doctor y also police. recherche by north also owing to go at once because the first informe was doubt on the motibo by dead. hour cu doctor owing to arrive past owing to constata dead by maria dolores vrolijk naci at aruba 9 by november 1953. the family not was desea before attain yudanza by slachtofferhulp. according doctor the dead is natural. esey owing to take away all doubt by cualkier crimen. paz at her restonan y forza at the family. the family self owing to follow cu the proceso before notifica one cas funeral before come give they one hand cu the defunto.


She would have turned 57 in November...

There are many Vrolijk's in Aruba, I don't know if she is a relative of RV or not.

[canoworms]

Four people posting under one nik....CapsLockWizard.
That is why we called it 4 headed.
thank you Magnolia, I recently found that out.
Still funny:)

[can]

Dutch tv-network SBS has permission to go into Castro Castro on Monday and the reporter will try to talk to Joran.
Maybe he -just like his mommy- only wants to talk to the Dutch press and not the American.
I'll keep you guys posted.

Thanks Jo-An.
I posted earlier that I am concerned about reporters trying to interview Joran.  Particularly at this time before his trial begins. 

Joran will understand just how important he is to the Press -

I would rather see him ignored.

I asked earlier if the Peruvian LE would allow this?

Would appreciate any opinion.  tia

Hi can.

This was written in De Telegraaf this morning (from Anita's interview, although this wasn't said by Anita but written by the reporters):

The director of Castro Castro yesterday tried to convince Joran van der Sloot to have an interview with CNN about the "excellent conditions in his cell" and him being treated well.
When Joran said no, he was taken out of his cell and reporters were given access to his cell. They were allowed to take pictures and shoot videos.

So the prison manager tried to use him for his own benefit.

Thanks Jo-An.  YES, I saw that this morning and if it's true...I don't like that either.

[canoworms]

Life expectancy in Aruba is going down.

[klaasend]

http://www.24ora.com/policial-mainmenu-8/18837-maria-dolores-vrolijk-haya-morto-den-cas-na-duartestraat.html

Papiamentu translation:

maria dolores vrolijk attain dead in cas at duartestraat

saturday, 19 june 2010 14:32

saturday afternoon owing to come into informacion by one caso sospechoso where one lady do not give sign by life. ambulance owing to go at the adres duartestraat 19 in the casnan by folk at north. ey paramediconan not can owing to haci mucho for her senjora. owing to ask presencia by one doctor y also police. recherche by north also owing to go at once because the first informe was doubt on the motibo by dead. hour cu doctor owing to arrive past owing to constata dead by maria dolores vrolijk naci at aruba 9 by november 1953. the family not was desea before attain yudanza by slachtofferhulp. according doctor the dead is natural. esey owing to take away all doubt by cualkier crimen. paz at her restonan y forza at the family. the family self owing to follow cu the proceso before notifica one cas funeral before come give they one hand cu the defunto.


She would have turned 57 in November...

There are many Vrolijk's in Aruba, I don't know if she is a relative of RV or not.

From the Shango thread:

if anyone goolge for Duetekom you will get 3 pdf files but inside the pdf, the name is not there. Google "Fiscal publico Frans Deutekom Aruba"

Try it

Hmm...Whats this all about Caps? I see this involves Paul Van Der Sloot as well..Is this a seperate case from the drivers license scandal where Paul is defending Mr.Vroljik on fake documents?

This is so funny, Bosshi wever Nephew at that time was detained for the Drivers License Gate. where the boy was selling the Drivers Licenses to who ever needed one, he setup an operation where he will have is sales boys do the marketing search for who ever need a driver license and then bring it to him where he and another girl where make them.

Now Lawyer Vander sloot defended the Nephew, and he walks after spending the 3 months waiting for the trial, but all the rest has fallen on some group of kids. Some how the Prosecuter presented more that 4000 pages of some sort of evidence against the kids and so the Booshi Nephew got away with it. Dompig should have to testified. Maria Vrolijk Also walked, The Prosecuter in the case was F.D.

Note: I have seen cases that are so strange that it does not make sense. butHow can you win if the country that allows Drug cafe as legal operating business with their twisted Laws handed down to a Prosecuter that do not speak the language to hand you a sentence, where when you have to talk to him, a translator is needed to translate what you are saying where most of the times the translation is wrong and in the ear of the Judge is sound that what you said is an agreement of guild and where he than hands you prison time. All depends who you are and who you know and not what you know.

[klaasend]

http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&sl=nl&tl=en&u=http://www.facebook.com/note.php%3Fnote_id%3D178892858588&rurl=translate.google.com&twu=1&usg=ALkJrhi9gwgfTAuu1ULCmbuPm27R7Xafww

[msmarple]

elcomeceria had the story about Anita's interview yesterday; here are a few of the comments --

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If your old lady is no way claiming that his son was wrong. This gringo thought he could kill and pass lanyard and Aruba because the body disappeared. Gringo you pelaste and ugly, they in jail and you stay here
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Smokescreen
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I think the breast is psychopathic as, then it is for her murder, she is the cause of the misfortune of his son, does not see reality, and still says that everyone is against him, a creature that killed pets safe cheered her mother ....
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Poor lady, the same sense of blind mother.
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His poor mother, good as discussed in reality to every mother her children are little angels but watch the news when they die gang members or criminals all die were good and did not kill a fly
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unconditional mother's love is like a smokescreen, distracting, but reality is another, his son if he is a monster for killing two young girls it is too –
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Hummm. Maria Vrolijk died. Very interesting. Two Vrolijks in as many weeks?

[klaasend]

Looks like she was very active in Children's rights (if this is the same person)

http://www.derechonandimucha.org/?start=/pr/info1.php/currentlanguage=nl/modulecode=Info1/introshown=1/deeplink=1

[twinkiesmom]

The Bike

I believe it is Jonathan45's view that jvds is alone responsible for Natalee's death, as well as the hiding of her body. 

And that after he killed Natalee on the vds property, the goon used his bicycle to take Natalee's body to a place of hiding.  The contention rests on a review of the statements, coupled with the view that jvds, as a young child on Aruba would be uniquely aware of numerous potential hiding places which could very well be unknown to many.  As a limestone seamount, Aruba has numerous underground caves and vaults, owing to the frequently changing below-ground aquifers which which evolve and change, sometimes with the tides.  In one of this caverns, it would be possible certainly, to hide something in such a way as to never be found.

An example:  http://www.lago-colony.com/CAVES_IN_ARUBA_MOYER/caves_of_aruba.htm

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I don't know why he would use his bike when Deepak's car was theoretically available and already incriminated with evidence.

If they had done this 20 times before, there was a system in place....That's why I think the Kalpoes were home in bed and Joran was with her at the beach for drop off.  I think they just omitted the part about bringing her to Joran's first.

If they did this 20 times before....Did the previous victims wake up at their hotels or on the beach?  Did they know they were assaulted or only suspect it?

Did Joran's rage come out because Paulus was involved (thereby explaining the quotes about  Your own father... and how it wouldn't have happened if Anita were there)?

[can]

Hi Monkeys! I've been reading the posts from the last several pages and thought I'd add my 2 cents for whatever it's worth.

IN MY OPINION:

Joran broke Stephany's neck when he "Grabbed her by the neck and squeezed for a minute." Because she still breathed, he then suffocated her with his shirt.

The coincidence of Stephany's murder occurring on the anniversary of Natalee's death, is no coincidence. Agitated by knowledge (from ALE tip) about the extortion sting, Joran fled Aruba and stewed on how Natalee had ruined his life. He had mentioned the 5 year anniversary and was aware of it's approach. I believe he intended and planned to murder another girl on that date, and chose Stephany because of the added perk of the money he saw she had. After all, Natalee and Beth were the reason he didn't have his own money tree, and the reason girls were more difficult to pick up, and the whole Natalee mess had just caused him to once again be "trapped" and be on the run. I believe he was seething with anger, and intended to show the FBI, Beth, and the world that they had no power over him and could not stop him from doing anything.

I believe that just as Van der Stratten initially proposed admission to a mental facility as an acceptable way to handle Joran's murder of Natalee, Anita scrambled to set up an admission in the wake of learning about the extortion sting. She hoped to tamper the coming charges by his admission to a mental facility and use her "strings" to lessen the consequences. Joran didn't have Paulus to talk him through what was smart and to go along with the plan. Joran was in "strike out" mode. Joran's encounter with Beth comes to mind when she told him she wanted her daughter back. His demeanor was defiant and angry, and that came through even with Paulus at the reins.

I believe Stephany suffered Joran's explosion.

I agree with almost everything you've said CBB. 
An expert on NG said it takes great strength and time for a neck in someone as young as Stefany to break.  The bones the cervical spine are so pliable.
At any moment from the first punch he could have chosen to stop. 

Anyway, I have a problem with a plan to kill on the 5th anniversary date.  I really do.  Where was the organization?   Why would he choose Stefany, knowing he would be seen with her on casino tapes? 
I believe he wanted Stefany sexually, and he wanted her money and when she resisted he killed her and ran in an attempt to save himself.

Joran could have chosen someone else to kill.  A lady of the night perhaps.  Someone who would not be missed right away, if his intention was to kill on the 30th May.

with respect and imho.