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Jodi Arias Murder Trial: Woman Facing Death Penalty Over Boyfriend's Murder
January 2, 2012

Prosecutors in Arizona will begin arguing today that 32-year-old Jodi Arias should die for the especially brutal murder of her one-time boyfriend, Travis Alexander, who was found dead in his shower over four years ago.

Investigators say Arias stabbed Alexander 27 times, slit his throat and shot him in the head at his Mesa, Ariz., home in June of 2008. Arias, who has been locked up since her arrest, has pleaded not guilty to first-degree murder.

"I didn't hurt Travis. I would never hurt Travis," Arias said in a jailhouse interview after she was arrested in July 2008. "I would be shaking in my boots right now if I had to answer to God for such a heinous crime."

Arias and Alexander met at a work conference six years ago. Arias says they fell in love, traveled the country together, and to strengthen her ties to the devout Mormon, she even converted to his religion. But Alexander's friends say after dating a few months he tried to break it off.
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Alexander's family and friends say Arias was stalking him in the months before the murder -- something she denies.
At first she also denied being at his house in the night of the murder. Then police found a camera in Alexander's washing machine containing pictures of the two having sex that day. There were also pictures of Alexander after he was killed.

Faced with that evidence, Arias then told the television show "Inside Edition" that she was there, but didn't kill Alexander.

"I witnessed Travis being attacked by two other individuals," she said on "Inside Edition." "Who were they? I don't know. I couldn't pick them up in a police lineup."

Now the accused killer is admitting to the court that she did kill Alexander, but that it was in self-defense. She claims he was sexually and physically abusive throughout their relationship.
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Jodi Arias Timeline: Key Dates In Case Of California Woman Accused Of Stabbing Ex-Boyfriend 27 Times
December 31, 2012

The trial of Jodi Ann Arias, set to begin Jan. 2, is expected to be the biggest court proceeding to take place since Casey Anthony was acquitted of murdering her child.

The 32-year-old photographer is accused of shooting her lover, Travis Alexander, in the face, stabbing him 27 times and slitting his throat from ear to ear in the shower of his Mesa, Ariz., apartment.

The case, which has been more than four years in the making, has routinely captured headlines around the world, especially after details of it became public.

CASE TIMELINE
September 2006 – Travis Alexander met Jodi Arias at a conference in Las Vegas. At the time, Alexander was a 30-year-old motivational speaker and legal-insurance salesman. Arias, then 28, was living in Yreka, Calif. and was trying to make it as a saleswoman and an independent photographer. The two had an instant connection and spoke on the phone every day. Court records indicate that the couple exchanged 82,000 e-mails.
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Jodi Arias trial begins in macabre '08 murder of boyfriend Travis Alexander
January 2, 2012

(CBS/AP) PHOENIX - The trial of Jodi Arias, an aspiring Arizona photographer charged in the shooting and stabbing death of her boyfriend Travis Alexander, is scheduled to begin Wednesday.
On June 4, 2008, Alexander was found dead in a shower in his Mesa home. He had been shot in the face, his throat was slit from ear to ea, and he'd been stabbed 27 times.

Arias originally told police two people had broken into the house, murdering Alexander and attacking her, but she later changed her story to claim she killed Alexander in self-defense. Prosecutors argue the actions were those of a jealous woman who brutally attacked the 30-year-old Alexander after he tried to end their relationship.

Police said they found potentially damning evidence during their investigation, according to CBS affiliate KPHO. A camera was found in a washing machine, an obvious attempt to erase images of the pair, they said. There were also time-stamped photos allegedly showing Alexander's lifeless body just seconds after risque images showing the two naked together in his home.
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JANE VELEZ-MITCHELL

Opening Statements in Jodi Arias Trial

Aired January 2, 2013 - 19:00   ET

THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.


JANE VELEZ-MITCHELL, HOST: A stunning start to the Jodi Arias trial. So many secrets spill out during opening statements. And tonight, we`re showing you these never-before-seen pictures shown to jurors as they hear two wildly different versions of the night Travis Alexander was brutally murdered and what caused Jodi Arias to kill him.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

VELEZ-MITCHELL (voice-over): Tonight, opening statements in the trial of Jodi Arias. The beautiful photographer is accused of stabbing her boyfriend 29 times and slitting his throat ear to ear after an afternoon of sex that was caught on camera.

Did she also accidentally take photos of the murder itself? What secrets does this camera hold? And did Jodi Arias build a brazen web of lies to throw police off her trail?

We`ve got reporters and producers inside the courtroom as well as one of victim Travis Alexander`s close friends joining me live tonight.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Did you -- I have to ask you this, did you kill Travis Alexander?

JODI ARIAS, ON TRIAL FOR MURDER: Absolutely not. No, I had no part in it.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You see her manipulating him, trying to drag him.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Jodi Arias goes on trial today in Arizona for killing her ex-boyfriend.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Travis had been shot in the face and stabbed. His throat was slit from ear to ear.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE (via phone): Hi, what`s going on?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE (via phone): He`s -- he`s dead.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She says the killing was in self-defense.

ARIAS: There was a point in time where we were in love, but it was short-lived.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE (via phone): Has he been threatened by anyone recently?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE (via phone): Yes, he has. He has this sick ex- girlfriend that`s been bothering him. Her name is Jodi.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Tonight, secrets, sex, and a murder literally caught on camera, all exposed in open court on the very first day of the Jodi Arias trial.

The beautiful 32-year-old sobbed as the prosecutor accused her of stabbing her ex-boyfriend 29 times, slitting Travis Alexander`s throat from ear to ear and shooting him in the face. Will accidental photos of the killing itself be the smoking gun?

Good evening. I`m Jane Velez-Mitchell coming to you live tonight.

Jodi Arias drove the 1,000 miles from her home in Yreka, California, to Travis` House in Mesa, Arizona, where the couple spent the afternoon having sex and taking naked photos of each other. The prosecution says the same camera that took those explicit photos later caught images of Travis` murder. Listen to this.

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JUAN MARTINEZ, PROSECUTOR: And you do see the killer in this one. You see this individual here. You see her foot. Not only do you see her foot, but you see Mr. Alexander`s head. You see his arm; you see him bleeding profusely. You see the area of the sink down here. And you know what else you see? You see her manipulating him, trying to drag him or move him.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: The prosecution laid out the crime for the jury in dramatic detail, portraying Jodi as a heartless killer of a good and honest man. Listen to this.

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MARTINEZ: She rewarded that love from Travis Caphor (ph) Alexander by sticking a knife in his chest. And you know he was a good man, according to her. And with regard to being a good man, well, she slit his throat as a reward for being a good man. And in terms of these blessings, well, she knocked the blessings out of him by putting a bullet in his head.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: But the defense gave an entirely different story, claiming Travis lived a double life, acting like a virginal Mormon while privately engaging in steamy, kinky sex with Jodi, who the defense called Travis` dirty little secret.

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JENNIFER WILLMOTT, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Jodi Arias killed Travis Alexander. There is no question about it. The million-dollar question is what would have forced her to do it?

But in reality, Jodi was Travis` dirty little secret. From the moment, despite projecting himself as a good and virginal Mormon man, someone who was a temple member. From the moment he met Jodi, he was pushy and pushing her to have a sexual relationship with him.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Jodi cries during the whole thing. Will this blame- and-smear-the-victim strategy backfire? What do you think? Call me: 1- 877-JVM-SAYS. That`s 1-877-586-7297.

Straight out to our senior producer, Selin Darkalstanian, who was inside the courtroom during these astounding opening statements. Selin, take us inside. Who was there? Tell us about some of the photos we didn`t see, which were very graphic. Describe what you can and what was the reaction.

SELIN DARKALSTANIAN, HLN PRODUCER: It was a very, very dramatic day in the courtroom because all of Travis Alexander`s family was there present; his three sisters, brother, and a lot of other relatives were there. And they were reliving this nightmare of losing their brother.

So first they started off describing how not only was he stabbed 29 times and his throat was slit from ear to ear. But then, as if that wasn`t enough and he was struggling for his life, he was also shot in the head. And you could tell his sisters were all visibly very upset. They were crying. They had their head down in their laps. They were sobbing out loud in court.

At one point, a few jurors looked at them because they were crying and they were so upset at all these details that were coming out.

And then they started showing some of the photos which, again, was very, very upsetting to the family. They were very, very upset. At one point his sister, Tanisha, put her head in her husband`s chest and just was crying and she was shaking her head no as they were painting her brother as a guy who was abusing his girlfriend, who lost his temper, who hit Jodi Arias, who was -- you know, as they were painting that picture, she was just shaking her head no and crying. So it was a very, very dramatic day in the courtroom.

You have to understand, these people have lost a family member. And now they`re seeing very, very graphic, graphic photos of their brother in the shower, hunched over with stab wounds. There`s blood. I mean, these are some very graphic photos that the family had to see today in court.


   VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes. Do you see here Jodi Arias turn on the waterworks, crying, sobbing through the opening statements, through the first witness, second witness? And we`re going to talk about whether this is a performance for the jurors or not.

The defense, very astounding opening statement, telling the jury that Travis, while pretending to the world that he was a virgin as part of his Mormon faith, allegedly -- remember, he`s not here to defend himself -- allegedly manipulated Jodi into having sex with him.

We`ve got to warn you: the way the defense attorney in her opening statement describes Jodi and Travis`s alleged interactions, it`s very graphic and very sexually explicit. But this is what happened in open court today. So listen.

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WILLMOTT: As Travis would explain to Jodi, oral sex really isn`t as much of a sin for him as vaginal sex. And so he was able to convince her to give him oral sex. And later in their relationship, Travis would tell her that anal sex really isn`t much of a sin compared to vaginal sex. And so he was able to persuade her to allow him to have anal sex with her.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: And again, supporters of Travis Alexander, the victim, who is not here to defend himself, visibly outraged and upset by this defense strategy of trying to paint the victim, Travis Alexander, as some type of sexual abuser. They cried and shook their heads.

Beth Karas, correspondent "In Session," you were there. You were in the courtroom. First of all, what does this sexual activity have to do with the murder trial? As she`s claiming justifiable self-defense, but so what? If he wants to have sex with her even if it`s true, this way or that way, what does it have to do with her stabbing him 29 times and shooting him in the face?

BETH KARAS, TRUTV`S "IN SESSION": Well, they engaged in sexual activity that afternoon just hours before the killing. The defense doesn`t tend to put on an expert in domestic violence, who will presumably talk about Jodi Arias, the victim, who was constantly berated by Travis Alexander, says the defense.

She was his dirty little secret. He led a double life. That is -- that`s a fact, OK. That`s not in dispute. He did portray himself as an upstanding member of the Mormon faith who was not engaging in premarital sex. It is a fact that he had quite a sexual relationship. He did lead a double life. So -- at least with Jodi Arias. And he, you know, made her feel like that -- what she was basically, you know, somebody to have sex with.

So it`s very relevant to establish her state of mind and how he went into a rage when she dropped his new camera. And that`s when she stepped on it, they say, and it took the photo of the ceiling. And then there were a few more accidental photos of him in the course of the killing. That`s according to the state.


So it`s to explain the relationship, who he was, and her state of mind at the time.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Now, less than 30 minutes into opening statements, Jodi Arias turns on the waterworks and starts crying as the prosecution describes in vivid detail this very, very bloody murder. Listen to this.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

MARTINEZ: When he ended up there, that`s when his throat was slit. And he was still alive.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: All right. She continues to sob through the opening statements, through witness testimony. It was virtually nonstop sobbing.

So I want to go to Shanna Hogan, journalist and true-crime author, because you`ve studied this woman. You`re writing a book on her. Could this be effective, causing jurors to feel sorry for her? Could it backfire? And perhaps what jurors don`t know is she has a history of very flamboyant behavior, engaging in a singing contest behind bars, doing various interviews, putting on make-up, that kind of thing. Could this be perceived as acting or for real -- Shanna.

SHANNA HOGAN, JOURNALIST/TRUE-CRIME AUTHOR (via phone): It is really tough. Because I actually think that a lot of the defense strategy was to point her out as such a beautiful, young, demure young woman.

They talked about how articulate she was. They talked about how she`s a talented photographer. They showed glamorous photos of her. And I thought that that was a little manipulative.

But I do in the end, once they point the -- paint the picture of who the victim was, I think it will backfire against her, because she wasn`t innocent in this. And it`s pretty clear that, you know, whatever their sexual relationship was, that doesn`t justify stabbing someone 29 times, taking their life.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes, exactly. I mean, if you are justified in killing somebody because they manipulate you sexually, as opposed to rape. That`s a totally different thing. But if you engage in a consensual relationship as an adult woman with somebody who is treating you badly, even if that`s true, is that a legal justification for killing them? I would think not.

More on the other side. We`re just getting started. We`re taking your calls.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

ARIAS: Yes, as much as Travis and I told ourselves and everyone that we were just friends, our behavior was not as clandestine as we tried to make it.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Towards the end of their relationship after they`d kind of broken up and he had put some distance between them, it really was an obsession type of a thing. And the way he described it is that she was really stalking him.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: The defense has painted Travis Alexander, the victim in this case, as a person who was living a secret double life. This was an extraordinary opening statement by the defense, essentially trying to blame the victim. And we`ve got to warn you: some of the defense claims you`re about to hear are very sexually graphic, but this is what happened in open court just a couple of hours ago.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

WILLMOTT: While he was supposed to be this virginal Mormon man who didn`t want to have any type of relationship with Jodi and she just wouldn`t leave him alone, in this phone call, he talks about his fantasies. His fantasies with Jodi of tying her to a tree and putting it -- forgive me -- in her (EXPLETIVE DELETED) all the way. That`s Travis.

And then, when Jodi pretends to climax during this phone call, Travis tells her that she sounds like a 12-year-old girl who was having an orgasm for the first time. And then he tells her, "It`s so hot."

(END VIDEO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: And we certainly don`t really know what happened. Because, again, the victim is not here to defend himself. The defense attorney claimed that that is all on an audiotape that is going to be played for the jury.

But I want to bring in a good friend of the victim, Travis Alexander. Taylor Searle, I want to ask you for joining us tonight from Phoenix, Arizona, where this trial is occurring, in that very area.

You know, even if he was having premarital sex behind closed doors, there is a huge difference between doing something illegal and doing something that may be against the confines of your religion. What is your reaction to this blame-and-smear-the-victim strategy by the defense?

TAYLOR SEARLE, FRIEND OF VICTIM: I think it`s the only defense that they can have. Somehow saying Travis had this coming to him because the things that he preached to his friends and the things that he tried to inspire others to become was somehow a facade, and he was really some sex- crazed maniac. And it was Jodi`s duty to rid the world of him. I don`t know how there`s any other defense besides that, even though that`s ridiculous.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: You knew Travis Alexander well. Was he the kind of guy who led a double life? Essentially, that`s what they`re accusing him of. And I want to give you an opportunity, as a friend of his, to set the record straight, given that he cannot speak for himself anymore.

SEARLE: I think calling it a double life is a little simplistic. I would say that he had ideals he wanted to live up to, and he had standards that he truly believed in. And he was a natural man with natural tendencies.

And the fact that he had these relationships with women doesn`t mean that he was lying when he said what his ideals were. He had no reason behind closed doors and in the confidence of his friends to lie about what he believed in. I mean, there`s no reason that I would call it a double life, because he has ideals and because he struggles in trying to uphold them.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Of course. Who doesn`t? Who lives the perfect life? Who lives up to their own ideals? I certainly don`t. I don`t know really anybody who does. We are all conflicted.

Now, what I want to ask you, Taylor, is that the defense tried to also diffuse this notion that she was stalking him, essentially arguing that, while he was telling his friends, "Oh, she`s stalking me," he was privately continuing a relationship with her where he was sort of the aggressor. Your thoughts on that?

SEARLE: My thoughts are, if that was the case -- let`s take their word for it on that. Is that the reason she drove from California and took a knife and a gun upstairs and shot and stabbed him?

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Right. I`m just presenting what the defense is saying. I`m certainly not arguing the defense. I`m actually trying to give you the opportunity.

SEARLE: Yes, of course.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes. And I want to bring in Jordan Rose. You`re an attorney also located in the Phoenix, Arizona, area.

Listen, she`s arguing self-defense. What is the criteria for self- defense? Because as we mentioned before, if every woman or any individual who`s had a bad sexual relationship with somebody feels that that`s a justification for slitting their throat, we`d have a lot -- even more violence in this country than we already do.

What criteria do they have to meet? And did the defense attorney kind of drop the ball by kind of being very general? I mean, the defense attorney never specifically stated why she would purportedly need to stab him 29 times and then shoot him in the face.

JORDAN ROSE, ATTORNEY (via phone): Yes, right. You know, in Arizona, in order to prove self-defense, she has to prove that she was in imminent threat of danger and that she used the same level of force as he used to defend herself from him.

And stabbing him 29 times before she then shot him, it`s insane to believe that the defense did any favors to their client in proving self- defense, which is what they have to do in order -- in order for her to somehow get off of this charge.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, what struck me was that the defense opening statement was very vague in general. It talked a lot about sex, but very little about the actual crime when they are having whatever tumult occurred as he was being murdered. And so the defense kind of just ends right before the crimes begins and says it was her or him, leave it at that.

So they didn`t even get into the details of the 29 stab wounds and the gunshot to the face, the slitting the throat ear to ear. How can you justify that?

On the other side, we`re taking your calls.

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ARIAS: I witnessed Travis being attacked by two other individuals.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Who?

ARIAS: I don`t know who they were. I couldn`t pick them out in a police lineup.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: So what happened?

ARIAS: They came into his home and attacked us both.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

MARTINEZ: As he sat there, she took the knife and began to stab him when he was in that defenseless sitting position and began -- stuck the knife in his chest. He struggled. The slitting ear to ear took place. And by the time she was dragging him down, pulling him down towards this area right here, he didn`t need that shot to the head. But, she had a gun somewhere. She put that bullet right in his temple.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: That was a prosecutor laying out this very, very violent killing of motivational speaker and insurance salesman Travis Alexander by his ex-girlfriend, Jodi Arias, who has admitted, finally, admitted that she killed him. We`re going to get to her other wild stories she told first in a moment.

But first out to the phone lines. Greg, California, your question or thought -- Greg.

CALLER: Hi, Jane.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Hey.

CALLER: Happy new year, and I just want to say thank you for taking my call and God bless you. I hope your show has better ratings than last year.

Just want to know, when she was in jail, Jane, did she have a lawyer? Because all these interviews -- I`ve seen three different shows she had interviews in pinstripes and doing interviews on TV shows. Was she represented by a lawyer? Or is she just that crazy? Because all her stories are different. She already hung herself. I just want to know.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, yes, and thank you for that. And happy new year to you, as well.

Beth Karas, Jodi has told three wildly different stories. As more evidence mounted, she would change her story. Give us the 411 on that.

KARAS: Well, first of all, to answer the question, she did have lawyers. But because he was incarcerated, she was agreeing to do interviews, and I don`t know that her lawyers knew about these interviews.

She has a new set of lawyers now. She`s not giving any interviews. I had one scheduled with her. She said yes. I flew out here with a crew. And her lawyers found out about it just before I did the interview, and they showed up and put a stop to it. So she was represented, but she was able to do it, perhaps, without her lawyers` knowledge, at least the early set of lawyers.

And regarding her stories, initially, she absolutely denied it. That was July 15, 2008, the day she was arrested. And then she said she hadn`t seen him for four months. And then she thought about it overnight, because the police knew -- they had evidence by then, right? I mean, they found him June 9, and they talked to her July 15th and arrested her. They had their probable cause. They had blood evidence. They had fingerprint evidence. They had stuff by then. They had the camera, the deleted photos they restored. They saw she was with him just hours before the killing.

So then overnight she says, "Well, actually, I change my story. I was there, but it was two intruders who came in, and I was threatened that if I said what happened to him, they would come after me. They saw my license on -- they saw my address on my license. So I left and I didn`t tell anyone." And only more recently did she say it was self-defense.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: And now we`re hearing the nitty-gritty details of her self-defense strategy, which is a blame-the-victim strategy. More on the other side.

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MARTINEZ: Now, it`s not that she wasn`t there. Now, it`s not that it`s two people, whatever variation she may have provided to these national shows. Now, she admits it was her. She is the person who actually did this.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Jodi Arias killed Travis Alexander. There is no question about it. The million dollar question is what would have forced her to do it.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You mark her words, her words that no jury will convict her even though she has admitted that she`s the person that did this.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: In just those two minutes, Jodi had to make a choice. She would either live or she would die.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: There were three ways that he was killed.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Jodi did not always tell the truth about what happened that night.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And she says, you know, it really wasn`t me.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: In reality, Jodi was Travis` dirty little secret.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: The defendant, the 32-year-old defendant in this high-profile case, Jodi Arias sobbing as you can see during opening statements -- this, the first day of this very, very high-profile case.


And the family of the victim being Travis Alexander who is not here to speak for himself; there, the family sobbing and crying, filled, though, with anger over the defense`s strategy of blaming this man who is not here to say what really happened, essentially arguing that he sexually and psychologically and emotionally manipulated Jodi Arias who has now admitted yes she did kill him. Stabbing him 29 times, slitting his throat and shooting him in the face; she`s claiming it was self-defense.

Now, it would seem to be one of the first cases. This could be a history from a criminal justice perspective where the murder is caught on camera, not on a surveillance camera, but on camera inside a private home. Listen to this.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And this is, if you will, a photograph of movement. The photograph is a picture of the lights above the shower, and it`s nothing more than movement. That`s when the attack is happening. You see this individual here, you see her foot. Not only do you see her foot, but you see Mr. Alexander`s hands, you see his arm, you see him bleeding profusely. And you know what else you see? You see her manipulating him, trying to drag him or move him.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Prosecutors called the photos of the actual killing accidental. Saying the killer did not want the pictures to be taken, but they were taken accidentally when she dropped the camera, when she stepped on the camera. And prosecutors said, you just heard him, you could see Jodi in some of those photos and a bleeding victim, Travis Alexander.

Shanna Hogan, journalist, true crime author; you`ve been in the courtroom, you`re writing a book about this case. Is this some kind of first? Could cops get any better proof than seeing the two of them on camera and he`s bleeding to death?

SHANNA HOGAN, JOURNALIST/TRUE CRIME AUTHOR: No, this kind of proof is like unprecedented. I mean to have -- to be able to narrow down a time of death to the second is just unbelievable in a crime case. And so this is really, I think it could be a first for sure.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes, absolutely.

Let`s go out to the phone lines. I believe we have Christine, North Carolina, Christine, your question or thought.

CHRISTINE, NORTH CAROLINA (via telephone): Hey, Jane, I just want to tell you I love you and your show and your mother.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Thank you.


CHRISTINE: And I just want to let you know, I`m having a real problem with her tears, first of all. I don`t buy it. Because I`ve seen too much of her being, you know, out there in public and smiling and, you know, she`s been laughing through the whole thing.

And now bad-mouthing this man is wrong because he`s not there to defend himself. If she was involved in this sexual activity, then she took part. If she didn`t like it, she could`ve got out.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes. And --

CHRISTINE: You know, I was raped by multiple men, I didn`t go out killing people. I didn`t get justice for anything, but, you know, I didn`t go out killing people and murdering because of this kind of stuff. This isn`t self-defense to me. It`s overkill.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, first of all, I want to say thank you for sharing your story, Christine, North Carolina, and I`m so sorry that you went through that. But kudos for having your evolved attitude toward what trauma you experienced.

Jordan Rose, attorney, you`re out of Phoenix, Arizona. I think everybody keeps honing on the fact you could say what you want about the victim`s sex life and his sex life might not have been perfect according to his religious traditions, but who cares? Why is that relevant to this criminal case?

JORDAN ROSE, ATTORNEY (via telephone): Right, it`s just not. Her staged waterworks, she`s a bad actress. She looks like -- her mug shots look like submissions for "America`s Next Top Model", and you know, Miss -- smug shots. They have testimony about her climbing through the doggy door, hacking bank accounts, attending the funeral of the person that you just killed.

Maybe if she spent as much time with her psychiatrist as her hairdresser or her stylist, things would`ve worked out better for her and her victim.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, I think the biggest problem that Jodi Arias faces aside from the fact that, according to prosecutors, the murder is actually caught on tape and she`s in the photos, Jodi has lied repeatedly. She`s told three wildly different stories as we`ve been discussing of what happened the day Travis died. Changing her story every time cops confronted her with more evidence -- listen.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Did you -- I have to ask you this, did you kill Travis Alexander?

JODI ARIAS, ON TRIAL FOR MURDER OF TRAVIS ALEXANDER: Absolutely not. No, I had no part in it.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: So you had nothing to do with Travis Alexander`s death?

ARIAS: Nothing to do with it.

I witnessed Travis being attacked by two other individuals.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Who?

ARIAS: I don`t know who they were.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Jodi Arias changed her story yet again. She acted in self-defense.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Jodi, were you ever afraid of Travis?

ARIAS: I`ll pass on that question.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: And my understanding is that those three stories will be allowed in. In other words, jurors will hear that she lied and changed her story. And they even played some of the tape of her changing her story at the prosecution opening statement.

Shanna Hogan -- again, journalist/true crime author -- you`re writing a book on this case. I hear that you were actually contacted by the defendant Jodi Arias. Tell us about that.

HOGAN: Well, I received a contact from her through a prison pen pal that seems to be taken about her and started writing her. And she asked to have my first book. And that was sent to prison. And she had sent him a message that I was sitting on the wrong side of the courtroom if I ever wanted to interview her because I was sitting behind the prosecution at one point. I actually haven`t talked to her just like everyone else in the media. I`ve tried to talk to her and she shut me down.

The only people who talk to her talked to her in 2008 and 2009 before her attorneys got to her and said, you know what; if you ever want to get off on this, you need to stop talking. So that`s what she did.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, she communicated with you in essence. And my understanding is she said you want to get my side of the story, you want to do an interview with me, you better sit on my side. Was that the words that -- that was essence of the communication?

HOGAN: Yes, I guess. I mean the journalists just usually sit whatever side`s open and a lot of times you sit behind the prosecution, but she seemed to want some sort of support on her side. And today, the first three rows of Travis` side were full of his friends and family; her side she had maybe two or three people and the rest of it was just the public and media. So I think she wants support. It`s important to her to seem to want to be supported and some people to be on her side literally and physically.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: It`s interesting. At one point she wanted to defend herself. A little knowledge is a dangerous thing. And it seems that her little knowledge is giving her ideas that may actually ultimately backfire.

On the other side of the break, why her defense attorney says a T- shirt with the victim`s name on it is some kind of kinky sex game. We`ll get to it in a second.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Travis` temper flared and he took the CD and threw it up against the wall in the den. Jodi went immediately into protective mode. Protective mode means that she`s trying to calm him down, trying to do something to avoid his temper, telling him that "It`s ok, I`ll fix it. Don`t worry about it."

And as she was telling him, she knew that the one thing that calms his temper the quickest is sex. So as she`s telling him "it`s ok, I`ll fix it, don`t worry," Travis grabbed her and spun her around. Afraid that he was going to hurt her, Jodi was actually relief relieved when all he did was bend her over the desk.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Extraordinary, opening statements today. And both the prosecution and the defense spent a lot of time talking about sex. We`re going to tell you exactly what they said on the other side of the break. And why it may have been a prosecution strategy to try to get the sex out of the way right from the start. You`ll see in a second.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

(JODI ARIAS SINGING)

(END VIDEO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Jodi`s defense team seemed to be portraying Jodi in their opening statements today Jodi as a victim of Travis` psychological and emotional abuse, implying Travis demeaned her and turned her into a submissive sexual object. Listen to this from the defense opening statement.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Now, the best evidence of Travis` manipulation of Jodi is his insistence to others that Jodi stalked him. But it was always at his demand and his beckoning that Jodi spent time with him. In fact, at one point during their relationship, Travis even had a T-shirt made, a T-shirt made proclaiming his ownership of Jodi.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Ok. So there`s a T-shirt that Jodi Arias the defendant is wearing with the victim`s name on it -- "Travis Alexander". I want to go to Taylor Searle, close friend of the victim, Travis Alexander, on this. They`re taking this photo that could be completely innocent and they`re weaving and they`re creating a story that somehow this is a sign that Travis owned Jodi and that they had some kind of a sexually demeaning game that they were playing.

You know, how can you -- anybody could make that up -- there could be other explanations for why Travis Alexander had a T-shirt with his name on it.

TAYLOR SEARLE, FRIEND OF TRAVIS ALEXANDER: Well, I mean -- if he was so good at manipulating, maybe that makes sense that she kept lying after he was gone. And she was so afraid of him even though he was dead that she had to keep lying -- I mean, it`s ridiculous. We make shirts all the time. He might have given ten of those shirts out. That was his personality, to be fun and any girl he saw just flirt with them.

And I see nothing -- I mean I read nothing into the fact that she had a T-shirt on for some picture.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Jordan Rose, attorney out of phoenix, Arizona, it`s like me as a journalist taking a picture of a street with a bunch of lights off because it`s 3:00 in the morning and saying there was a blackout. And the lights were turned off because there`s no energy or electricity anywhere.

I mean you can take anything. And if you paint a picture around it, create a totally different conclusion and take something that might be totally innocent and make it seem sinister.

ROSE: Oh, sure. I think we saw the image of the day. And I don`t mean the photo of Ms. Smug Shot`s private parts, but rather that fairly powerful photo of her wearing the T-shirt. The image just speaks louder than any expert. And if the defense was going to put something on to suggest that Travis had some undue control of her every action and her every mental state, I still think, you know, putting the raunchy pictures out there was crazy. But I guess you get that out there, the horrific factor out there because seeing those depraved photos in the opening might explain things away.

And I guess they figured they had to come out, so let`s get the jury used to those awful photos by now by showing the worst of them day one. But that T-shirt -- yes, it could be explained so many different ways.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: All right. Lisa -- and she`s smiling, by the way. She`s smiling. She doesn`t look like she`s being traumatized there. She`s got a big smile on her face.

Lisa, Wisconsin, your question or thought, Lisa, Wisconsin.

LISA, WISCONSIN (via telephone): Actually, Jane, I was curious if she had been -- if Jodi was checked for like mental illness or any drug abuse; seeing as though her stories had changed so many times.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, excellent question. Shanna Hogan, You`ve been covering this case and the trial, obviously usually they do psychiatric evaluations before a case like this. What do you know?

HOGAN: From what I know, she had no history of mental disorders, no drug abuse. But I mean clearly she`s kind of crazy to have done what she`s done. But not in a way that defense -- is a defense of murder. You know, but she had a very normal background. There`s nothing in her history. She doesn`t have a criminal record.

She was with a guy before she was with Travis for four years. They owned a house together. You know, she had normal jobs and was able to carry on a normal life. That does not make her criminally crazy. But she does, you know, seem to be kind of crazy to do what she did.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: More on the other side.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Throughout this trial, you will learn more about Jodi Arias -- much more about Jodi. You will find that she is an articulate, bright young woman who is a very talented artist and photographer.

But most of all, what you`ll learn is that Jodi loved Travis. And so what would have forced her to have to take Travis` life on that awful day? In order to answer that question, we have to go back to the beginning. Back to before -- just before she and Travis first met.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: A fascinating aspect of this case -- about a week before Travis Alexander was killed Jodi Arias allegedly stages a break in at her house in California. And she tells the cops, oh, my grandfather`s gun was stolen. No gun was ever recovered in Travis` murder.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

ARIAS: And as much as Travis and I told ourselves and everyone that we were just friends, I think that our behavior was not as (inaudible) as we tried to make it.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: We know Jodi Arias likes to talk. Well, guess what, the day after Travis Alexander`s body was found, detectives get a call from -- guess who -- Jodi Arias herself saying she wants to help in the investigation. It`s unbelievable. Here is the prosecutor explaining what Jodi told the cops.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The other thing that she says is that, well, you may want to start looking. She gives him a lead. "You may want to start looking at one of his roommates, a guy by the last name of Brown, Thomas Brown. That`s who you really need to look at. Because you know, if you`re really looking for people that`s the person who you may want to look at because I wasn`t there."

(END VIDEO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Talk about brazen. She has now admitted that, yes, she killed Travis Alexander claiming self-defense but she -- the day after his body is discovered she`s calling cops saying "Hey, look at the roommate. I think he did it." Wow. Does that show a sinister quality that could be an aggravating factor that could get her the death penalty? Jordan Rose, attorney out of Phoenix, what do you think?

ROSE: The state wants her dead. They want her to be the fourth woman on death row in Arizona. They need to show premeditation. They need to show an aggravating factor.

They showed in their opening, they talked about how she reported a gun stolen from her house a few weeks prior to the murder. She showed up at the house with a gun. She showed up with a knife. She cleans the linens, she had e-mails knowing about this trip to Mexico with another girl that apparently set her off, and she rented a car outside of her city.

She absolutely shows premeditation. There will be an aggravating circumstance here, and they`re going for it all. They`re going for the death penalty. And unless she testifies and charms the heck out of the jury -- and I don`t know how that is possible -- but that`s her only, only saving grace.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, Shanna Hogan, you have covered her from the beginning, and she does have a reputation as a charmer. And even Travis` friends when interviewed said they were very suspicious of her but yet they would be charmed by her and invite her out again and again even though they were sort of repulsed by her.

HOGAN: She was quite charming. She has this way about her to kind of suck people in. Even the other boyfriend, Ryan Burns, that she started dating after. You know, he believed up until the end that she was innocent, up until the photos came out, you know, after she got arrested he was still defending her. So she does have some sort of spell over people. Let`s hope it`s not a spell that she has over the jury.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Jamie, Utah, your question or thought? Jamie?

JAMIE, UTAH (via telephone): Hi. Being from Utah there`s obviously a huge LDS presence here and when I very first heard the story about Jodi and hearing that she converted to Mormon church fairly quickly, I very first thought that it`s possible that she felt manipulated and felt like there was turmoil and conflict inside. And I don`t want to say that she is justified in killing him because she is absolutely not.

But I can see maybe where it did cause some instability that, you know, she was an otherwise responsible person -- well-put together person prior to this relationship. And my reason for saying that is because here what I`ve experienced is that the, I guess, confines of the church and the rules and the guidelines that the people live by -- I`m not LDS, by the way -- that it causes so much turmoil and conflict in themselves that in relationships, dating, what I`ve gotten is the guy saying, I love you. You know, this is what I want. This is ok. You`re a good person, and then the next minute feeling regret. Making you feel like you are evil.

(CROSSTALK)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Jamie, we have to break, but I just want to say, Jamie from Utah, you`re raising an important point. And we`re going to discuss the Mormon connection right after this quick break.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: In just those two minutes Jodi had to make a choice. She would either live or she would die.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Such outstanding opening statements today. And I want to go back to our producer Selin Darkalstanian. This whole issue of Mormonism and why Jodi converted was a key in the opening statements. Tell us.

SELIN DARKALSTANIAN, HLN PRODUCER (via telephone): Well, you can tell by where the defense is going today`s first witness on the stand that they`re going to go very deep into Mormonism and the sins that Travis Alexander, you know, committed by having sex before marriage. And they kind of opened the door to it a little bit today but you can tell that they`re going to go down that path a lot more through the trial.

So we`re going to see what happens as the trial progresses. You can be sure that that`s going to be a huge emphasis for them.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Absolutely and essentially the defense is arguing she didn`t convert as much as they converted her.

We`re all over this case. It`s fascinating. We`re just getting started. Join us every night as we bring you the very latest as this trial progresses with witness after witness to justice.

Nancy next.

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NANCY GRACE

Jodi Arias Murder Trial Day One

Aired January 2, 2013 - 20:00   ET

THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.


NANCY GRACE, HOST: Tonight, live, Mesa, Arizona. They meet at a conference in Vegas and fall hard for each other. But when the flame burns out and they break up, she moves 300 miles to pursue him, even converting to Mormonism to get her man.

Bombshell tonight. The dead body of 30-year-old Travis Alexander found slumped over on the shower floor in his five-bedroom luxury home, shot, stabbed 29 times and beaten to death, the violence so brutal it resembles a mob hit. But then photos on a digital camera emerge, naked photos of Travis Alexander, naked in the same shower where his dead body is found.

Also on that same camera, highly provocative nude photos of then 27-year- old Jodi Arias, the girl who had everything.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: That attractive young woman singing Christmas carols behind bars could soon be on death row.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (INAUDIBLE) blessings (ph) of him, but putting a bullet through his head.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Jodi Arias killed Travis Alexander. There is no question about it. The million-dollar question is what would have forced her to do it?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: There`s blood here. And that`s Travis. He`s in the shower. He`s dead.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: A friend of mine is standing in his bedroom. And he hadn`t heard from him for a while.

JODI ARIAS, CHARGED WITH MURDER: I really don`t remember the day at all.

911 OPERATOR: You think he`s dead?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: His roommate just went in there and said there`s lots of blood.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She slit his throat as a reward for being (INAUDIBLE)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Did you -- I have to ask you this. Did you kill Travis Alexander?

ARIAS: Absolutely not.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: They even have Jodi`s palm print in his blood.

ARIAS: I witnessed Travis being attracted by two other individuals.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Jodi Arias changed her story yet again. She acted in self-defense.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Jodi, were you ever afraid of Travis?

ARIAS: I`ll pass on that question.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: In just those two minutes, Jodi had to make a choice. She would either live or she would die.

ARIAS: No jury is going to convict me.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Why not?

ARIAS: Because I`m innocent. And you can mark my words on that one. No jury will convict me.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: That`s from ABC`s "GMA" and "Inside Edition."

Good evening. I`m Nancy Grace. I want to thank you for being with us.

They meet at a conference in Vegas and fall for each other hard. But when the flame ultimately burns out and they break up, then she moves 300 miles to pursue him, even converting to Mormonism to get her man. The dead body of 30-year-old Travis Alexander found slumped on a shower floor, shot, stabbed 29 times, violence so brutal it resembles a mob hit. But then naked photos on a digi-cam emerge.

We are live there in Arizona and taking your calls. Straight out right now to Bonnie Druker from our team at the courthouse. Bonnie, first day of trial, what happened?

BONNIE DRUKER, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER: Nancy, this was a dramatic scene. When the prosecution got up there, Travis Alexander`s family began to cry. Jodi Arias cried. Basically, the prosecution said this was so violent, and the defense is basically saying this was self-defense, Nancy.

GRACE: OK, I just heard you say Jodi Arias cried in front of the jury. Eh! Eh! Eh! Eh! Eh!

Beth Karas, has the jury seen the naked photos? And I`m not at all concerned about the photos being naked, I`m concerned about the timing of the digital camera photos. How was the jury reacting to the evidence laid out in the opening statement?

BETH KARAS, LEGAL CORRESPONDENT, "IN SESSION": OK. The jurors paid very close attention. I didn`t see anyone getting emotional. They`re allowed to take notes, and they did. They actually heard from two witnesses, also.

They`ve seen some of the photos. They`ve heard about all of them, but they`ll see more of them later. The defense actually introduced some pretty raunchy photos in opening statement of what Travis took of Jodi hours before she killed him. I mean, they were about as raunchy as they can get, naked photos. And they were trying to show that Travis was somebody who really...

GRACE: Hey, Beth, I`m showing...

KARAS: ... was using Jodi Arias for sex.

GRACE: I was showing shots right there -- Liz, I think you`re showing some of the shots from the shower. Look at the time stamp, 5:29. This is the day that he`s killed. Within four minutes after these shots are taken -- that looks like there`s just movement and the camera`s still taking pictures, like when your Blackberry is in your pocket and you`re moving and it`s taking pictures inside your pocket.

KARAS: OK...

GRACE: And then there are other photos, as well, taken of his dead body there in the shower. This is a graphic photo. I`m going to warn you before I show it to you next time. I didn`t realize it was coming up. That is Alexander dead in the shower of his five-bedroom home.

Out to you, Jean Casarez. Take it from the top. What happened?

JEAN CASAREZ, LEGAL CORRESPONDENT, "IN SESSION": Well, prosecutors are saying in this death penalty trial that Jodi Arias killed Travis Alexander in three different ways. First of all, that she stabbed him in the heart when he was in the vulnerable defenseless position...

GRACE: Jean! Jean!

CASAREZ: ... of just taking a shower.

GRACE: Jean! I want you to go back to the beginning. I want the timeline from when they met.

And he`s a very handsome young guy, a motivational speaker, he`s in sales. They meet at some kind of conference in Vegas. There`s Arias as she was when he was dating her, when she was texting him, what, a couple hundred times a day, moves to Arizona to be with him, converts to Mormonism to convince him to marry her. That`s what she used to look like.

She has makeovers behind bars now, right, Jean? Take it from the beginning.

CASAREZ: The beginning would be 2007.

GRACE: Right.

CASAREZ: That was at that convention in Las Vegas. And then for about five months in 2008, they dated. That was over. But the minute it was over, she moved to Arizona to be closer to him.

GRACE: Well, wait. I want to clear up something you`re saying. I`ll let you clear your throat.

Christina Estes, anchor/reporter KTAR. Jean referred to it being over. They got together in a fever hotter than a pepper sprout (ph). Well, that flame burned out. He called it off. It was over. But it wasn`t over for her, was it, Christina?

CHRISTINA ESTES, KTAR: Well, not according to prosecutors. They say that Jodi didn`t want to end the relationship. The defense says otherwise and says that Travis is the one who wanted to continue seeing her.

GRACE: OK. Back to you, Jean Casarez. He broke it off, did he not?

CASAREZ: He broke it off, but that was after she had gone into his e-mails and found out that he was dating somebody else at the same time she thought that she was in an exclusive relationship. So in fact, I think she broke it off.

But then, according to what side you believe, you better believe that they kept in contact, e-mail, instant messaging, texting, and getting together for sex. And she did move to Mesa, Arizona, after that to be closer to him. But finally, it wore itself out and she moved from Mesa back to hometown in California where she lived with her grandparents.

GRACE: OK. What leads us up to the dead body in the shower?

CASAREZ: That in 2008, June of 2008, she, prosecutors say, broke into that house with the intent to commit a felony. In other words, she wasn`t invited by Travis Alexander. And she went -- came all the way from California. And it began -- and the pictures tell the story, that they apparently were engaged in sex and then it became something very different, premeditated murder, prosecutors say.

GRACE: Back out to you, Bonnie Druker. In court today, a lot was happening in the opening statements. As a matter of fact, isn`t it true the prosecution actually showed a clip of Arias? Normally, when people are charged with murder or they are a suspect or they`re even a person of interest, they lay low. But Jodi Arias was all over the media. She even went on, I believe it was "Inside Edition" -- play me that clip, Liz -- and said that no jury would ever convict her.

What about it, Bonnie? Did they play that in the opening statement?

DRUKER: Nancy, that was -- yes, I mean, that was definitely what came up. It was actually the last thing that the prosecutor played. And I can tell you it was very, very uncomfortable. I mean, Jodi Arias is sitting there, and you see her on this massive screen saying, No jury is going to ever convict me. Well, let`s see what happens now.

GRACE: We are taking your calls. Lisa, Wisconsin. Hi, Lisa. What`s your question?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Hi, Nancy. Thanks for taking my call. It`s great to hear about the kids and your family. I was just wondering if this woman pursued to the point she actually stalked him, what would possess her to stab and shoot him? He was stabbed 27 times.

GRACE: Oh, Lisa in Wisconsin, guess what we found out? The body was in such decomposure, they actually missed two stab wounds. We now know it was 29 stab wounds. There were so many stab wounds, they couldn`t even make them all out.

Now, remember, he was stabbed 29 times, including a big slit from ear to ear. So when you see the photos which I`m not going to -- Liz, do not show the photos again without me warning the viewers first, OK?

One of the slits goes from ear to ear. That`s likely the cause of death. There`s a stab wound to the heart, ironically. Also, there is a bullet wound -- a bullet that goes from the top of the right eyebrow. And it seems to me, and I don`t know how the state`s going to argue this, Beth Karas -- it seems he was shot when he`s already there naked in the shower, down, because the bullet enters from the top above the right eyebrow and lodges downward -- the trajectory is downward -- in the left cheek.

So he`s shot, he`s stabbed, he`s beaten. What do they say about that, Beth?

KARAS: OK. It`s interesting. The prosecutor, Juan Martinez (ph), basically gave a chronology of the order of the wounds. This was really interesting because the scene itself told a story.

And he`s not killed -- he doesn`t die in the shower. He`s dragged into the shower and washed off. He`s shot in the head probably post-mortem, Nancy. You`re right that the slash to the throat, one of 29 knife wounds, was probably -- was the fatal one. The stabbing in the heart was first. And he fought back. He grabbed the knife. So some of those wounds of the 29 are defensive wounds. He grabbed the blade of the knife, so his hands are cut.

And so he`s stabbed in the heart. It would have eventually been fatal, not immediately fatal. He was fighting. She gets him -- he`s (INAUDIBLE) maybe he collapses. He`s is getting weak. She slits his throat, and at the end of the hallway that goes to the master bathroom, leading to the bedroom.

And then there`s evidence that she has now dragged him -- she`s dragging him into the shower and shoots him somewhere I think along the way. There`s no exit wound. And I don`t know where the shell casing was found. And she puts him in the shower, and he`s crammed in the shower almost like in a fetal position. His stomach is bloated from the decomposition and the fluids.

And his -- and his face is -- he`s crammed in a corner. And you can see the big wound on his neck. And it`s all dark red. But there`s not blood around him, the way you would expect it to be. She washed him off.

GRACE: To Dr. Bethany Marshall, psychoanalyst and author, she was referred to as his, quote, "dirty little secret." I don`t understand. Why was dating Jodi Arias a dirty little secret? What, she wouldn`t fit in with his church congregation?

BETHANY MARSHALL, PSYCHOANALYST: Oh, you know, the defense is just trying to blame the victim, paint him in a bad light, make him out to be almost like some sexual pervert or someone who is betraying his faith.

But the fact is, Nancy, she used sex to have power over him. I`m sure what happened, as any young man will do, he started dating other women, living a free life. She got stuck in rejection, seduced him continually in an attempt to have power over him and to reassure herself that she was desirable to him.

And the day or the night of the murder, just like "Basic Instinct," she had sex with him to put him into a powerless state, and then she went in for the kill.

GRACE: Well, Bethany, I know that you`ve got all your degrees and your Ph.D. and all that, but I don`t need a Ph.D. to tell me what happened, all right? She moves back 300 miles to try to get him back, all right? So she goes over there. They`re having all this crazy wild sex.

Let me just point out she went into the home with a gun with her. But then he tells her he absolutely is going to go on a trip to Cancun the next day with another woman. Uh-uh! She was not having any of that, all right? That`s when everything goes sideways.

Let`s take a listen to that SOT on "Inside Edition."

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

ARIAS: I know that I`m innocent. God knows I`m innocent. Travis knows I`m innocent. No jury is going to convict me.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Why not?

ARIAS: Because I`m innocent. And you can mark my words on that one. No jury will convict me.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

ARIAS: I would be shaking in my boots right now if I had to answer to God for such a heinous crime.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Did you -- I have to ask you this. Did you kill Travis Alexander?

ARIAS: Absolutely not. No, I had no part in it.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: So you had nothing to do with Travis Alexander`s death?

ARIAS: Nothing to do with it.

I witnessed Travis being attacked by two other individuals.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Who?

ARIAS: I don`t know who they were.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Jodi, were you ever afraid of Travis?

ARIAS: I`ll pass on that question.

No jury is going to convict me.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Why not?

ARIAS: Because I`m innocent. And you can mark my words on that one. No jury will convict me.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: And now she`s claiming self-defense. Now, another interesting thing is that she has taken to song behind bars. As a matter of fact, she won "American Idol Behind Bars," the behind bars "American Idol" contest.

What is it that she won, Matt Zarrell?

MATT ZARRELL, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER (via telephone): She won extra meals, apparently. She won extra food, a great turkey dinner, I believe.

GRACE: I understood that she won, like, a stocking of treats and a turkey dinner for herself and her cellmates.

Let`s take a listen to Jodi Arias behind bars.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

ARIAS: (SINGING) -- in sin and error pining `til he appeared and the soul felt his worth. A thrill of hope, the weary world rejoices for yonder breaks a new and glorious morn. Fall on your knees...

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: OK, guys, please stop. I don`t know if that`s the one that won her "American Idol Behind Bars," but Arias has taken to song. Not only that, she`s had a complete makeover and taken to the media over and over and over to declare her innocence.

Unleash the lawyers, Eleanor Odom, death penalty-qualified, joining me, veteran prosecutor. Also with me out of Atlanta, Peter Odom.

The problem with that is, as we saw in opening statements, Peter, is that the Constitution doesn`t protect you when you want to gab to journalists.

PETER ODOM, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Right.

GRACE: In fact, the prosecution can just play it right in the opening statement!

PETER ODOM: They can. They can. I mean, and the -- but the prosecution here has a problem.

GRACE: Really? What?

PETER ODOM: They have three exculpatory statements, meaning three statements of her showing that she`s not guilty. They have to play them all and then argue that two of them have to be a lie, or they`re all a lie.

GRACE: But Eleanor -- Eleanor, the thing that Peter Odom is leaving out of that scenario is that all three exculpatory statements are different. One is, What? Who? What? And the other one is, OK, I was there, but a man and a woman completely -- you know, they`re disguised. I didn`t really see their face. They attacked him and they killed him, and I was afraid they`d come kill my family, so I ran. And then finally, it`s degenerated into self-defense.

Peter Odom left out that tiny detail, that all of these exculpatory statements -- they`re all different!

ELEANOR ODOM, PROSECUTOR: Right, and they`re all just a pack of lies, Nancy, because even if you took her last one as true -- let`s pretend that she killed him in self-defense. Why didn`t she say -- why didn`t she call police? Why didn`t she go, Oh, my God, this guy was trying to attack me. Had to protect myself.

She is going to go down for this, Nancy, because all of these statements are lies. She can`t just explain her way out of this one.

GRACE: And you know, I want to go to Dave Hall, who`s a very dear friend of Travis Alexander. Dave, when you just heard me laugh -- I`m not laughing at a murder. I am a tangential victim of murder. My fiance was murdered just before our wedding.

What is so amazing to me, almost laughable, is changing your stories to three widely divergent stories about the death of Travis Alexander and thinking that just because she`s beautiful that we`re going to buy into it. Like, we`re blinded by her beauty and her singing behind bars?

You saw Jodi Arias the day after Travis`s murder. What did you observe?

DAVE HALL, FRIEND OF TRAVIS ALEXANDER: Well, about 12 hours after Travis was murdered, she was up here in Utah hanging out with me and my business partners, going to some business functions and out to eat with us. And one thing that stood out to me was it`s the middle of June, it`s almost 100 degrees, and she`s wearing a long-sleeved shirt. And this is not someone who was ever known to be modest in her attire, and you can see that from a lot of the provocative photos that she`s been seen with. So the long- sleeved shirt...

GRACE: Dave Hall, hold on. I`m curious. I`m curious. You said the day after, she went out to eat. And you know what strikes me wrong? Can I see Dave Hall, please? Because Dave, I recall when my fiance was murdered. I could not eat. I don`t know how long passed (ph). I lost down to about 89 pounds. I couldn`t eat. I couldn`t even stand the smell of food. It made me sick.

And I remember the first thing I put in my body after his murder. I drank a glass of orange juice. It had been so long since I ate or drank.

So the night after he`s stabbed 29 times, including a slit that goes from ear to ear across his neck, she`s out having dinner?


HALL: Yes. And looking back at that night, there was nothing in her demeanor that made us think, Wow, you`re acting weird today. The long- sleeved shirt, definitely, as we look back, that was a little bit weird, the new hair color, the fact that her license plate on her car was upside- down. All these things in retrospect definitely were clues.

But you know, just because someone shows up with a different color hair and long-sleeved shirt, you don`t question, Hey, who did you kill?

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: (INAUDIBLE) you obsessed with him?

ARIAS: I wouldn`t use obsession. I would say...

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Her going into his cell phone, snooping.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: A stab wound to the heart.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Was there jealousy?

ARIAS: On my end, not so much jealousy. Maybe a sense of insecurity.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: And she found things there that she didn`t like.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: His throat was slit.

ARIAS: There was sort of a breach of trust in our relationship.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Her suspicions about his flirtations.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: His body was dragged to the shower, and he`s shot in the head along the way.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Travis` friends say after dating a few months he tried to break it off and told them this.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It`s hard to say no to a woman that sneaks into your house, crawls in your bed, and tries to, you know, seduce you.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: You are hearing part of that from ABC`s "GMA."

Welcome back, everybody. We are live in Mesa, Arizona, bringing you the latest in the case of Jodi Arias. A lovely -- on the outside anyway -- gorgeous young woman charged with murder one in the brutal death of her lover, found stabbed 29 times, shot, bludgeoned in the shower of his luxury home.

We are taking your calls but, first, to you, Matt Zarrell. I -- I get the whole meeting at the car out front, she moves 300 miles to be near him. She converts to Mormonism to try to get him to marry her. I wanted to focus in on now and hone in on the day of the murder. What happened?

ZARRELL: OK, Nancy, from what prosecutors have laid out in their -- in court today, and they laid it out based on a lot of photographic evidence because there are three sets of photographs that tell you the timeline of what happened that day.

At about 1:40 to 1:45 there are photos of nude -- a nude Travis Alexander and a nude Jodi Arias, among shots taken include Travis -- Travis Alexander naked on his bed. There`s a bottle of petroleum jelly in the shot that Arias actually introduced him to. There`s also additional shots of Arias on the bed, also in seductive poses. Then there`s the second set of photos of him in the shower, where you see now, or you see him naked in the shower --

GRACE: Whoa, whoa, whoa, wait, wait. Jodi Arias introduced him to who?

ZARRELL: The prosecutor said that Jodi Arias was the one who introduced him to this petroleum jelly that was seen in one of the photos of Travis Alexander naked in his home the day he was murdered.

GRACE: What, are you talking about a sex aid, Matt?

ZARRELL: Yes. The significance, Nancy, is that the defense is saying that Travis Alexander was the one manipulating Jodi Arias from the get-go. But obviously the prosecutors are trying to show that Jodi Arias had a lot of influence over Travis Alexander because of this -- one example would be this jelly that Arias introduced Alexander to.

GRACE: OK, go ahead.

ZARRELL: OK. So the second set of photos is around -- just before 5:30. These are photos of Travis posing in the shower. There`s water running down on him. Most of the photos are of the waist up. Now the pivotal photo is 5:30, it shows Travis sitting in the shower. And you see part of his back side. So 5:30 he`s alive.
Then we`ve got the third set of photos prosecutors call inadvertent photos. 44 seconds after the photo of him alive in the shower, you see the photo of the ceiling light. That is when prosecutors say -- that photo you`re seeing right there, that is when prosecutors say the attack is taking place. There`s then another photo about a minute later that shows Travis` head and arm, and you see him bleeding profusely.

So within two minutes of him being alive in the shower to the photo taken at 5:32 in 16 seconds he is already bloody and near the sink. Then there is an additional photo at 5:33, 32 seconds, which prosecutors say is Arias actually dragging Travis Alexander into the shower. You can see Travis` shoulder and you can see the trim of the hallway.

GRACE: OK. From what I understand, Matt, as laid out in the prosecution`s statement, and -- Beth, let me go to you on this. She comes over in the wee morning hours, 3:00 or 4:00 a.m. that night, and he is up on his computer, right?

KARAS: Yes. And she --

GRACE: So then --

(CROSSTALK)

KARAS: According to the defense -- yes, she`s too tired to have sex. They have sex later in the day.

GRACE: So, Matt, how -- she gets over there at 3:00 or 4:00 a.m.

ZARRELL: Yes.

GRACE: Why?

ZARRELL: OK. Well, we - the defense hasn`t laid out exactly why, but let me take you through what happened because she arrives at 3:00 or 4:00 in the morning. Travis is on the computer. We know that from computer records. He`s actually looking at some YouTube videos. They go to sleep until about 1:00 p.m. When they wake up they begin to engage in sexual activity. Travis had gotten a new camera and wanted to take pictures with his new camera so Arias took some photos of Travis in these nude photos that we have seen.

Then later on in the day they`re in Travis` living room, they`re poring over pictures from all the trips that they`ve been on. There`s a problem on Travis` computer. He actually had a virus on his computer and he was angry and took the CD and threw it against the wall.

The defense says that Arias immediately went into what they quote, protective mode, and tried to calm Travis down and Arias allegedly knows that the quickest way to calm Travis Alexander down was sex. So Travis and Arias had sex right on the computer table.

GRACE: I want to go back to Travis` friend, Dave Hall. He actually saw and spent time with Jodi Arias the day off one of his best friends was brutally murdered.

Dave, when you`re hearing all of this scenario unfold, it sounds as if the defense is painting a -- a picture of someone completely different than the friend that you knew, Travis Alexander. It sounds like somebody completely different.

HALL: You`re right. It is someone completely different and, keep in mind, we only have Jodi`s side of the story at this point being brought forth. We don`t have Travis` side of the story, what really happened around the murder scene and stuff. You know, thankfully we do have some photos to corroborate some of the sexual activity, more importantly, to corroborate the murderer in this case.

GRACE: What was your impression of Jodi Arias when you first met her?

HALL: You know, when I first met her, she was an attractive girl and I was happy for Travis finding someone that he liked, but as I got to know her there was just something evil about her. And Travis knew very well that we went out with our wives to do stuff that don`t bring Jodi around because --

GRACE: Why?

HALL: -- none of his friends likes Jodi.

GRACE: Whoa, whoa, whoa. Back it up. Back it up. Who didn`t like Jody?

HALL: None of Travis` friends liked Jodi.

GRACE: Why?

HALL: You know, there was just something really weird about her. And when she spent time with you, you even got more creeped out. And Travis brought her up to Utah and spent time at my house. So Travis and Jodi had spent time, in fact, spent an entire week at my house. And just the things that she did while she was at my house just creeped me and my wife out.

GRACE: Like what?

HALL: And so -- just the way she acted in our home, the way that she had this awkward silence about her. The way that she almost had no soul. You could almost see right through her. It`s not someone that you could sit down and have a conversation. She was very mysterious.

GRACE: You know, I find that so interesting, what you`re saying, Dave Hall, and I know it doesn`t mean anything in a court of law. I know that. But I am so intrigued with what you`re saying. It`s almost as if -- you know, we consider ourselves the top of the food chain, you know. But when you`re around somebody, you get an instinct. You get a feeling.

And I don`t know why we get those, what we call hunches, but all of his friends had the same feeling about her. I find that -- I find that very, very telling.

Out to the lines. Pat in Georgia. Hi, Pat. What`s your question?

PAT, CALLER FROM GEORGIA: Hi, Nancy. We grew up in about the same era, and I have never seen this kind of violence when I was growing up that you can do this and not live with your conscience. And she may be right. She may not be convicted considering Casey Anthony wasn`t.

GRACE: To Aaron Brehove, body language expert, you have been studying every video of her, every appearance she has made. What have you learned, Erin?

AARON BREHOVE, VOICE ANALYSIS AND BODY LANGUAGE EXPERT: Well, we see she`s a terrific liar. She -- there`s very little difference when she is telling a lie and when she is telling the truth. When she said she never had anything to do with his death, we see there`s -- there`s one small tell we see and we do -- we do see, though, she`s closing her eyes a little bit before she gives her answer. And she is holding back a little something. But she has very tells. She`s very calm and collected even when being very deceptive.

This is really unusual. And maybe why she thinks she can get away with it. Why she said -- no jury will ever convict her because she is such a good liar.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Jodi arias killed Travis Alexander. There is no question about it.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He`s dead. He`s in his bedroom.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: His neck had been slashed from ear to ear.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Stabbed 27 times.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The million-dollar question is what would have forced her to do it? Who do you think killed him?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I have no idea.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Jodi loved Travis.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I didn`t hurt Travis.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Jodi had to make a choice. She would either live or she would die.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Relationship with her?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Violent?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Pass on that question.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We think he`s dead. His roommates just went in there and said there`s lots of blood.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You didn`t stab him 27 times?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I`d never -- that`s heinous.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: That is Arias on "Inside Edition." Yet another of her media appearances. She is certainly not shy. I know that much about her.

Straight out to you, Dr. Bill Manion, medical examiner, joining me tonight out of Philadelphia.

Dr. Manion, of course, I`ve given it my own lay person analysis, but when you are bludgeoned, stabbed, and shot in the head, how do you determine the true cause of death? And why has the number changed in the last hours from 27 stab wounds to 29 stab wounds?

DR. BILL MANION, M.D., MEDICAL EXAMINER, BURLINGTON COUNTY, NJ: Well, the body was partially decomposed, and that`s a very tedious autopsy when you have 27 stab wounds, 29 stab wounds, each wound you have to measure the length, the width. They did determine that the knife had one blunt edge and one sharp edge.

It`s probably something like a butcher knife because the deepest wound was about 5 1/2 inches long. The width of the blade was at least an inch, an inch and a quarter. So it was probably a butcher knife that was used.

The bullet track did not cause any injury to the brain, believe it or not. It penetrated the bottom of the skull but was not a fatal wound. So the gun shot to the head was not -- was not fatal. The fatal wound would have been the wound that struck the (INAUDIBLE) the large vein that goes right into the heart and, of course, the wound across the neck that that was quite forceful because it actually severed the airway.

It cut the airway right across and then cut the right internal jugular and right carotid artery.

GRACE: Right.

MANION: So I would suspect, if he was laying on his left side and she was right-handed that she could have -- switched that knife across his neck very forcefully. But to transect the airway that shows a lot of power, a lot of intent with --

GRACE: You know, another interesting thing, to you, Dr. Bethany Marshall, the fact that she allegedly bathed him after murdering him, that she dragged him, put him in the shower, and then got warm water and poured all over his body and cleaned him up. Then she took all the bed sheets off and washed them. That`s where they found the digital camera.

It was, I guess, in a pair of pants or in the bed sheets somehow that she put in the washer and they just took the SIM card out and retrieved everything on it. I mean the -- but the bathing the dead body with warm water. What is that?

MARSHALL: But wasn`t that the ultimate power and ownership? He belonged to her and nobody else, not even the law or anybody who was going to come across that crime scene, was going to determine or have any thoughts about it. It was all up to her. She owned him.

And as the victim`s friend who`s on the show tonight said, this woman was soulless and we know about sociopathy, it`s that sociopaths are profoundly detached, emotionless, callous. She only wanted one thing and that was to possess him. Other than that, she loved no one.

GRACE: Back to you, Harry Hauck, former NYPD, Hauck Consulting.

Harry, we were talking about bathing the body with warm water after all the stabbing, the profuse bleeding. And other things lead to a staged scene. Definitely a cleanup but a staging of the scene. What did you observe?

HARRY HAUCK, FORMER NYPD, HAUCK CONSULTING: Well, you know, I don`t know if there`s so much a staging of the scene because if it is, it`s -- you would tend to think if you`re going to stage a scene you want to make it look like it was a suicide or some other kind of accidental death.

But apparently here, what I`m finding very interesting, Nancy, what nobody is commenting about, is the fact that if the prosecution says that the first wound was to the chest, and that was a debilitating wound, then he never saw that coming. So she is using in her defense that they had some type of an argument and that she had to protect herself. It doesn`t look like that happened.

GRACE: Well, not only that, Jean Casarez, if it was self-defense, which is her third and latest story, why didn`t she text him a few days after the murder and say, hey, when are you going to deposit that check, Jean?

CASAREZ: Consciousness of guilt. That`s what prosecutors will say. But I think the chronology of all of this is critical, and I think one thing we`re forgetting, too, she is saying, I did all this. Self-defense. But yet there are 10 stab wounds in his back? And prosecutor`s theory after she shot him in the heart, he staggered to where the faucet was, in the sink in the bathroom and then she started stabbing him in the back.

That`s self-defense?

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: A friend of ours is dead in his bedroom.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I saw him curled up in the -- he`s curled up in the shower.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Jodi.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The person that -- the person who committed this killing sits in court today.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The explanation for that will come out soon.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: We are taking your calls. Out to Tammy in Colorado. Hi, Tammy. What`s your question?

TAMMY, CALLER FROM COLORADO: Hi, Nancy. Love your show. You`re my hero, hon.

GRACE: Thank you. What`s your question, dear?

TAMMY: My question is clearly she`s a scorned woman. And as soon as she found out about the other gal, about going to Cancun, whatever vacation he had planned, that`s what put her over the edge. But my question is, she just made a comment in that little clip saying that they were attacked in his home. Well, obviously, if they would have been attacked so viciously, they would have told someone.

Like Travis would have told his best friends, his parents, somebody would know this information. So I`m just wondering if you guys investigated that at all.

GRACE: Out to you, Beth Karas. What do you know?

KARAS: Well, I mean, her second story of the three was that she was attacked in the home but that the attackers said the same thing will happen to her if she told the police and they had seen her address on her license. And that`s her explanation for not telling anyone. But of course in the face of even more and mounting forensic evidence pointing the finger at her being the one and the only one who did this, then she changed the story to self-defense.

And that`s -- that happened in the past year. So that`s what she`s asserting now. So there really doesn`t seem to be much credibility to the two intruders attacking --

GRACE: Yes. I mean, at this point Beth is right. Now we`ve got to deal with her most recent version, which was self-defense. All the other stories are out the window now except to show that her story has changed. The only story the prosecution is dealing with now is her story of self- defense.

To Bonnie Druker, our team member there at the courthouse. You have been sitting in the courtroom with many of Travis`s friends all during the day. What has been their reaction?

DRUKER: Nancy, a lot of tears from the family. A lot of shaking heads. And everyone stunned. They do not believe this was domestic violence, there is no way, there is no how that Travis Alexander attacked Jodi Arias.

Shaking a lot of heads, looking at me, giving me some eye signals, and everyone`s just amazed that the defense literally has the chutzpah to come out and say this.

GRACE: Well, what I find very telling, to Peter and Eleanor -- first to you, Peter Odom, you`re the defense attorney. How can it be self-defense when she stabs him 10 times in the back, Peter?

PETER ODOM: Well, she`s got -- I mean, she`s laid out this broad story that she`s going to have to support. What she`ll probably claim is that she had to make sure he was dead because she was in such danger and she might have gone overboard with the violence. I mean it`s a -- it`s a story that she`s going to have to tell, Nancy, because that`s how she`s laid it out.

GRACE: Eleanor, please.

ELEANOR ODOM: Well, Nancy, just think about what she said in that one interview to -- "Inside Edition," where she said whoever did this, whatever happened, it`s heinous. I would use those words that she used to -- right back at her and say what she did was heinous in describing and laying out all those stabbings.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

GRACE: We remember American hero, Army Sergeant 1st Class Glenn Whitten, 31, Mesa, Arizona, killed Afghanistan. Also served Iraq. Two Bronze Stars, three Purple Hearts, six Army Commendation medals. Loved war movies, music, the Chicago Bears, cat, being a father. Mother Amy, brother Jed, sisters Melinda and Julie. Daughter Arianna. Fiancee Megan.

Glen Whitten, American hero.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He had a grouping of wounds back here behind his neck, on his shoulders. He had some on his head.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Hello.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Hi, so what`s going on?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: These -- he`s dead. He`s in his bedroom in the shower.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: OK. OK. How did this happen? Do you have any idea?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No. We have no idea.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: OK, Liz, you`ve got to rack that up again. I`ve got -- you can, like, maybe soften that high note. But please re-rack that again.

We are taking your calls, everybody. We are live there in Mesa, Arizona, bringing you the latest in what appears to be one of the most brutal murders that has ever taken place in Mesa history.

Play that back for me, Liz, please.

I can totally see her committing a murder. Now, remember, this is in the "American Idol" competition behind bars. And she won. She is certainly not curled up in the fetal position pining for her lover. She`s going for the turkey dinner for her and her cellmates.

OK. Just want to hear this high note.

Here it comes.

OK. That`s enough.

Everybody, we`re going to be back in the courtroom bright and early tomorrow morning 0900, and we`re taking you there with us.

"DR. DREW" up next. I`ll see you tomorrow night. And until then, good night, friend.

END

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Jodi Arias Trial: Defense Claims Victim Was Sexual Deviant
January 3, 2013



Defense attorneys for Jodi Arias, the 32-year-old Arizona woman who has admitted to brutally murdering her former boyfriend Travis Alexander in 2008, claim that she was abused and controlled by Alexander, who she says was a sexual deviant.

In a case that is already being compared to the dramatic 2010 murder trial of Casey Anthony, Arias is facing the death penalty if convicted in the capital murder case. She is accused of stabbing Alexander 27 times, slitting his throat and shooting him in the head as he showered in his Mesa, Ariz., home in 2008. A jury will have to decide if she is a cold-blooded murderer or was a victim of domestic violence, as she claims, who was forced to kill.
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Police found a camera in Alexander's washing machine. They say Arias was literally trying to wash away the evidence.

Found on the camera's memory card were pictures of their final sexual encounter, shots of Alexander in the shower -- seconds before he was killed -- and pictures that appeared to be taken accidently when the camera was dropped. One of the images shows Alexander's bloody body, and another shows Arias actually dragging his body across the ground.

In a series of jailhouse interviews since her 2008 arrest, Arias repeatedly changed her story. First she denied being at Alexander's house the night of the murder, but two weeks later, she told the TV show "Inside Edition" she was there.

"I witnessed Travis being attacked by two other individuals," she said, "Who were they? I don't know."

Now she admits to killing Alexander, but says she had to after he attacked her when she dropped his new camera.
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Jodi Arias Trial: Defense Claims Victim Was Sex Deviant
Dan Abrams and Nancy Grace discuss defense's claims and their effect on the murder trial.
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Yes, I believe she is a liar.  Hope this case ends differently than the CMA drama and injustice.
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Jodi Arias Prepares To Die Or Rot In Jail For The Murder Of Travis Alexander
January 3, 2012

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JANE VELEZ-MITCHELL

Astonishing Testimony in Jodi Arias Trial

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JANE VELEZ-MITCHELL, HOST: Tonight, jurors hear Jodi Arias spinning an intricate web of lies in a phone call with cops the day after Travis Alexander`s body was found. An astonishing testimony about sexually explicit e-mails. Do they point to a woman killing in self-defense or in a jealous rage?

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

VELEZ-MITCHELL (voice-over): Tonight, an award-worthy performance from Jodi Arias as she phones the lead investigators in the Travis Alexander murder case right after his body`s found. Jodi spills secret after secret and tells lie after lie, even grilling the detective about what he found, pretending not to know anything, even though she now says she killed Travis in self-defense.

We`ve got full coverage tonight and an interview with one of Travis` close friends, who says he was no sexual deviant but was one of the most inspirational people he`s ever met.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I received a phone call from a fellow officer stating that the female by the name of Jodi Arias wanted to talk to me.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE (via phone): Talk to, what`s your relationship, kind of rocky, and a little -- got a little crazy at times, or...

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She sounded dangerous. She had broke into his e-mail accounts and his bank accounts. She would sneak into his house through the doggy door.

JENNIFER WILLMOTT, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Jodi Arias killed Travis Alexander. The million-dollar question is, what would have forced her to do it?

JODI ARIAS, ON TRIAL FOR MURDER: He would send me, um, really dirty e-mails.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Why was he upset?

WILLMOTT: Travis left Jodi no other option but to defend herself.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Tonight, heart-wrenching photos of the crime scene and stunning secrets pouring out from the Jodi Arias murder trial as the jury hears Jodi spin a web of lies from her own lips.

Good evening. Jane Velez-Mitchell coming to you live.

The gorgeous 32-year-old is accused of stabbing her ex-boyfriend 29 times, slitting Travis Alexander`s throat from ear to ear, and shooting him in the face. Will Jodi`s brazen phone call to police, the very day after Travis` body was discovered, ruin her self-defense claims? Listen.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

ARIAS: Well, I just wanted to offer you assistance. I was a really good friend of Travis`s, and I heard that he was -- that he passed away and that it was -- I don`t know -- I`ve heard all kinds of rumors. I heard there was a lot of blood.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Jodi Arias drove 1,000 miles from her home in Yreka, California, to Travis` home in Mesa, Arizona, where the couple spent the afternoon having sex and taking naked photos.

And now the kinky sexual nature of their relationship is on full display in open court. Moments ago, the lead investigators revealed some sexually explicit and degrading messages that Travis sent Jodi during an argument. We have to warn you, the wording is very graphic, but this is what was said in open court.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Do you remember seeing e-mails in which Mr. Alexander referred to Ms. Arias as a, quote, (EXPLETIVE DELETED) wonder?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Hearsay. Objection.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: As a slut?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: As a whore?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: But the prosecutor pointed out the only reason Travis wrote those words is because he felt that Jodi was degrading him sexually. Again, this is some graphic material.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: With regard to that reference involving that particular comment, why was that comment made as indicated in that document?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: References to being used sexually by Ms. Arias.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What is it saying?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Specifically, let me read it from here: "I think I was little more than a (EXPLETIVE DELETED) with a heartbeat to you."

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: So will the jury believe the defense story that Jodi is an abuse victim who killed Travis in self-defense? Or will they think she`s a jealous woman lying to cops to cover her tracks?

What do you think? Call me: 1-877-JVM-SAYS; 1-877-586-7297.

Straight out to "In Session`s" Beth Karas. Beth, late this afternoon, the jury was shown a series of gruesome photos of the crime scene. We want to warn our viewers: we`re not showing you, by any mean, the worst of them, but giving you a sense of some of the photos. And in there, there`s the bathroom. You can see the victim, Travis Alexander, in some of these shots. His body, parts of it in the shower. Various blood stains. And we`ll show them to you. Again, these are just a tiny little sliver of some of the photos.

But, Beth, tell us about these photos and the significance to the state`s case.

BETH KARAS, TRUTV`S "IN SESSION": Well, Jane, these photos are gruesome indeed. Very bloody, and they tell a story. It is a story that Juan Martinez told yesterday in his opening statement and he will tell again, I assume, in closing arguments. Because it`s the pattern of the blood drips, blood spatter that -- and pooling of blood that probably explains the sequence of -- of the wounds as they were inflicted, and how hard Travis Alexander fought for his life.

We haven`t even seen the worst of them. That`s coming up next week, and that`s the big pool of a blood at the end of a hallway leading into the master bedroom where his throat is slashed, where she really finishes him off.

And even though we saw so much blood today, spatter and drips and pools of blood throughout the bathroom and various areas -- there`s a big bathroom. There was a toilet room, and then there`s a room where the double sink is. And then there`s the bathroom, and then there`s the shower where he was found. There`s a linen closet, where there`s a -- there`s a box. Looked like a box of, like, Xerox paper. And there`s -- there`s blood stain, like a couple of inches of it, because there was so much blood. It soaked up the box.

Anyway, it tells the story.

We see the shell casing from the one shot that was fired near the sink. According to the prosecutor, that`s the third wound that was -- was inflicted. Third major wound. The first one was the stab wound to the heart, where he starts fighting. He stands over the sink. It`s just full of blood, and there`s -- there`s spatter. He`s probably spitting up blood. He`s spitting. He`s dripping. There`s some swipes, like, maybe he did it or she`s cleaning up.

And then he -- staggered down the hallway. We haven`t seen those photos yet, because her palm print is in blood in the hall -- wall, and then his throat is slashed. He`s probably getting weak; he falls. She slashes his throat.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Unbelievable.

KARAS: Drags him back to the shower and shoots him in the head along the way.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, Susan Constantine, jury consultant, do we have Susan?

SUSAN CONSTANTINE, JURY CONSULTANT: I`m here.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: OK. You`re a body language expert. These photos, I`ve got to tell you, they`re gruesome. We gasped as we were watching them and we`re showing -- we`re blurring. I mean, that`s his body right there. We`re blurring it. OK. We`re not being gruesome, but the jury is seeing all of it.
In opening statements, they saw very, very graphic photos of private parts of the defendant`s naked body. Need I say more? What impact is all of this going to have on the jurors?

CONSTANTINE: A tremendous impact. You know, imagine you know, seeing that yourself. Seeing those photos, and it becomes a visual imprint inside your brain that they were going to -- they`ll probably have to have counseling afterwards to get over this. This is not something you can just look at a picture, put it down. Like when we saw in Casey Anthony. We saw some photos, but not graphic bloody photos.

This is so catastrophic that it`s really going to hit to the core of their beingness that I think they`re going to have a tremendous time not only just getting over the pictures but emotionally being able to handle the stress of seeing such a gruesome sight.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Selin Darkalstanian, you`re our producer on the ground. You were you court, and you`re monitoring reaction to the testimony and the photos. What was the reaction to these photos?

SELIN DARKALSTANIAN, HLN PRODUCER: Jane, today the sister got up and actually walked out of the courtroom. Yesterday they were all sobbing. I think today the shock was even worse. Even though we don`t see his body in every single photo, the blood alone is enough to tell the story. It`s almost like the bloody photos of the sink are worse than seeing a photo of the body itself, of the victim.

And I have to say that this is the second day in a row that the prosecution has ended court with gruesome photos of the crime scene. So two days in a row, that jury is going home with those photos clear in their heads. They`re also going home seeing the family members crying, sobbing, walking out of the courtroom. That`s two days in a row that they`re leaving court with those memories in their minds.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: And that is the family of Travis Alexander right there. You can see them burying their heads and weeping and sobbing.

Jodi Arias was also crying, but she`s been crying waterworks from the start. Opening statements on.

Here`s what we know Jodi admitted. She has admitted, "Yes, I killed Travis Alexander." She stabbed him, slashed his throat, shot him, saying it was self-defense.

Before she admitted that, however, she calls cops, right around the time Travis` body is discovered, and she`s offering to help detectives. Detective Flores, the lead detective, calls her back the next day and he records the conversation. Given what we know, listen to this recorded conversation as Jodi repeatedly lies and deceives the detectives on the call.

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ARIAS: Was there -- like, any kind of weapon? Or was there -- was there a gun?

He had his tires slashed -- I don`t remember when it was. It was last year sometime around Christmas, I think.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It was around April that you last saw him. Right?

ARIAS: Early...

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You haven`t been back in town since then?

ARIAS: No. I haven`t at all.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: All right. She asks about the weapon used. A gun. She knows. She knows the answer to that. She shot him.

She talks about Travis` tires being slashed. Travis` friends say Jodi is the very one who slashed those tires. And she lies about not being there that night.

So Dr. Robi Ludwig, why on earth would a woman who has killed somebody and then run away and not reported it, say it was self-defense -- now she`s claiming self-defense. Why on earth would she call cops the day after the body is found?

DR. ROBI LUDWIG, PSYCHOTHERAPIST: I think she`s covering her tracks, and she wants to see what the police know, and if she`s gotten away with murder. So I think she`s checking. It`s part of the checking behavior.

And this woman also was a stalker. So it`s a way to stay connected to the case and to her former lover.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes. I think it`s part of her obsession with Travis Alexander that she cannot keep herself away. And there`s an old saying: the criminal always returns to the scene of the crime. Not literally, but sometimes metaphorically or figuratively, she`s returning to the crime. She can`t stay away. It`s her addiction.

Your calls on the other side.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: In a 2008 jailhouse interview, Jodi Arias denied having anything to do with the brutal killing of her ex-boyfriend, Travis Alexander.

ARIAS: I would be shaking in my boots right now if I had to answer to God for such a heinous crime.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I have you ask you this. Did you kill Travis Alexander?

ARIAS: Absolutely not. No. I had no part in it.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: So you had nothing to do with Travis Alexander`s...

ARIAS: Nothing to do with it.

I witnessed Travis being attacked by two other individuals.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Who?

ARIAS: I don`t know who they were.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Jodi Arias changed her story yet again. She acted in self-defense.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Jodi, were you ever afraid of Travis?

ARIAS: I`ll pass on that question.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Prosecutors argue jealousy drove Jodi to kill Travis.

Both sides agree Jodi and Travis had sex shortly before she killed him. The prosecution`s first witness, who was a very pretty Mormon woman Travis was dating before he died. He had planned to take her on a trip that he had won to Cancun. Listen to her.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: He wasn`t paying for any of it. That it was a place that I`d been to with my own family and felt very comfortable with this place. I knew how fun it was, and the fact that we were going with the family, and we were staying in separate rooms. I felt very comfortable going with my friend.

I think part of him still hoped maybe that I would end up liking him. So I -- I initially thought that that`s why, is he was trying to get me to like him, you know, to go with him to Cancun.

Even a few weeks before, like, before we went, again I told him, "Travis, maybe you should take somebody else to Cancun with you," and there wasn`t anyone else that he wanted to take.

(END VIDEO CLIP) VELEZ-MITCHELL: All right. Yes. She wasn`t interested in Travis, but Travis was reportedly interested in this modest Mormon woman, and she told Travis she just wanted to be friends, but it seems that Travis wanted to take her on vacation to Cancun.

Meanwhile, we`ve established that he was having sex with Jodi Arias, but he doesn`t want to take her on vacation. So the prosecution believes that Jodi became enraged that Travis seemed to value this other woman more than he did her. And they`re saying that`s the motive to kill, not this self-defense.

I want to bring in a very special guest, Aaron Mortenson. This is an exclusive interview we have with Aaron, and Aaron was a good friend of Travis Alexander`s, and he also met Jodi Arias, I believe, about three times.

Aaron, thank you so much for joining us. The family is clearly -- the family of Travis Alexander is clearly very upset that things are being twisted, in their opinion, to make it look like Travis is sort of this person living a double life, and pretending to be a virginal Mormon while secretly conducting this affair.

I want to give you an opportunity to tell Travis`s story. He`s not here to defend himself. He can`t put any of this into context. How would you describe Travis Alexander?

AARON MORTENSON, FRIEND OF TRAVIS: Thank you, Jane.

I guess I would say, a lot of people would describe Travis as a motivational speaker. I think that`s probably accurate. If you can imagine having, like, a motivational speaker as part of your intimate group of friends, close people that you speak with, that would be a characteristic portrayal of my relationship with Travis.

He was an inspiring person. He motivated me to become my best self. I think, like the incoming tide, I would say Travis helped rise [SIC] the boats. I would describe him as a motivational friend.

And I think motivational speakers get to where they do in life by overcoming trials and striving to become better people, and I think that`s a good indication of who Travis was. He helped inspire me to be a better person. And I miss him, and I think the world misses his presence.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: And what about this description by the defense that he was living this double life, and that he was having -- they`re really trying to paint -- and please don`t blame the messenger. This is all in open court. They`re trying to paint a picture of somebody who wanted very kinky sex with Jodi while presenting to the world as somebody who was maintaining abstinence until marriage.

And I want to give -- again, he`s not here to tell his side. So I want you to speak as much as you can for his -- his values, vis-a-vis dating and relationships.

MORTENSON: I think Travis and I were in similar circumstances at the time that he and I were friends during that time when -- in Arizona. We -- we were -- we spoke a lot about trying to improve in different facets of our lives. And I think I don`t get the impression that Travis ever told me that he was a perfect person, but he had big goals and he wanted to achieve things. And he wanted to improve in lots of areas of his life. And I had the impression that he was in the process of doing that.

I guess I would say the times when I met -- that I spent with Travis, for example, he would spend time trying to make the world around him better.

There is an example, for one instance, where I invited Travis out to a restaurant with some friends, and Travis showed up not knowing everybody. He excused himself, and went to the rest room. I watched him as he didn`t go to the restroom, and went and found the waiter and pulled out his wallet. And the waiter came up later and said, you guys are free to go. Everyone didn`t know what happened. And I later thanked Travis for picking up the tab for all these people he didn`t know. And he said he was disappointed that I even noticed because he was such an anonymous giver and he said, pay it forward. You know, he wanted the world to be a better place by his influence.

And -- and I guess that`s the Travis Alexander that I know and the character of the person who I intend to protect. And he motivated me to be a better person in that regard.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Very quick call. Joshua, Indiana. Thanks for your patience. Your question or thought, Joshua?

CALLER: Yes. I think a woman`s obsession can be much more dangerous than a man`s.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: A woman`s impression or...

CALLER: Obsession.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: ... obsession? Oh! Obsession. Well, I don`t think it`s a contest. I think that, clearly, she seems very obsessed with Travis Alexander, to the point where, even in death, after she now admits she killed him, she calls the lead detectives the day after his body is found, because she cannot stop being involved.

Is it like an addiction to drugs or alcohol? We`re going to talk about that and take more of your calls on the other side.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: They were going at it, and yes, they are engaged in sexual relations in these photographs.

This shows a frontal view of a woman.

Then there`s another photograph at 1:44 p.m., and it shows this woman`s back end. And they`re nude. Just taking photographs.

At 1:44:50 p.m., there`s a photograph of the victim, and clearly, he`s excited.

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ARIAS: ... and, um, that we deleted with the intention of -- that wasn`t -- that wasn`t a one-time incident. I mean, there were many times where, you know...

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You took pictures?

ARIAS: Yes. Pictures, whatever and in any kind of media, and it was deleted.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, at least from Jodi`s phone call with Detective Flores, the lead investigator, it appears that Jodi was trying to portray her relationship with Travis as very much about sexual role playing.

Listen carefully to the audiotape that was played in open court today, and this is tape of Jodi talking with the lead detective, and he`s secretly recording it. Listen.

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ARIAS: I practically lived there, even when I was there. I spent the night there several times a week while I was there. I came over and cleaned his house a lot. He paid me a little bit every month, sort of like a housekeeper.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Do you remember seeing an e-mail from Mr. Alexander to Ms. Arias where he provides her a picture of the French maid outfit that he would like her to don when she cleans this apartment, or his home. Excuse me.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No. That doesn`t sound familiar.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: Was this part of a theme of sexual role playing? That`s what the defense is maintaining.

Jodi`s attorney claimed Travis made this T-shirt for Jodi that read, "Travis Alexander`s," apostrophe "S," and that was his way of saying that he owned her. This is the defense. This was put in the defense opening argument, OK?

But Kim Lasota (ph), former prosecutor, death penalty expert out of Phoenix, Arizona, if two consenting adults are playing games, sex games, dominant and submissive, whatever, is it relevant whatsoever to her claim that she killed him in self-defense?

KIM LASOTA (ph), FORMER PROSECUTOR: Well, I -- it`s largely irrelevant, I would say. I think what they`re trying to do is sort of demonstrate that he`s sexually deviant or different in some ways, that it will be easier for the jury to think that he could have actually provoked her to kill -- kill him in the way that she did, with all the stab wounds, the gunshot and the slit throat, which obviously, they face a very difficult task in convincing the jury of that. So they`re trying to soften the jury up, as to Travis Alexander.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, we`ve got to go back to psychotherapist Robi Ludwig. There`s no connection, is there, between people who play consensual sex games and a propensity towards violence? You could just as easily be violent if you were somebody who never had sex at all.

LUDWIG: Exactly. I mean, what I will say, though, is probably the moment that Travis had sex with Jodi, he marginalized her in some way. And Jodi probably thought that great sex would intrigue him or seduce him successfully, which didn`t happen.

You have to remember, at the end of the day, Travis was a Mormon, and he probably thought that sex was vile in some way and Jodi was vile if she was engaging in these actions with him, but he was experimenting.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Shanna Hogan, journalist, you`re writing a book about this case, and I understand you`re including a lot of information about his religious background as a Mormon, which advocates no premarital sex. Your thoughts?

SHANNA HOGAN, JOURNALIST: Yes. I mean, he was a Mormon, and this was shocking in the LDS community. But they were also adults in their late 20s, and that`s what adults in their late 20s in a relationship do. They have sex.
So you know, talking to some of his friends, and they`re all saying the same thing: they didn`t judge him for this. They saw him as a person who was trying to live by his best standards and just, you know, slipped from that. And when a woman was in his bed, you know, jumping in naked, he gave into that, like a lot of men would do.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: More on the other side.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She knew that the one thing that calms his temper the quickest is sex. So as she`s telling him, "It`s OK. I`ll fix it. Don`t worry," Travis grabbed her and spun her around.

Afraid that he was going to hurt her, Jodi was actually relieved when all he did was bend her over the desk.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: State of Arizona versus Jodi Ann Arias.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I saw him curled up in the -- he`s curled up in the shower.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You haven`t been back in town since then?

JODI ARIAS, ON TRIAL FOR MURDER OF TRAVIS ALEXANDER: No, I haven`t.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She told him she hadn`t seen him in months but investigators were able to recover photographs from a digital camera that told a different story.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Miss Arias told you Travis (inaudible) with his two fists --

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I had an immediate suspicion that it was Jodi who had done this.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: There`s was a print left on the wall in blood that led investigators to Jodi Arias.
ARIAS: I would be shaking in my boots if I had to answer to God for such a heinous crime.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: More tears in the courtroom today. And there is Jodi Arias, and she was crying all day, but she was also crying yesterday most of the day during opening statements. So it`s been a regular display of waterworks since this trial started, but the family of the victim, Travis Alexander`s family, and friends, packed into the courtroom, and they are devastated. You see them there with their heads hanging low, hearing some gruesome testimony, and seeing some very gruesome crime photos.

We are not showing you by any means of worst of the crime photos that were shown in court today and we`re blurring them, because they show, and we`ll show you them right now, Travis Alexander`s body in the shower after he has been murdered, shot in the head, his throat slit and stabbed 29 times and then dragged into the shower where prosecutors maintain that Jodi Arias washed him off in an attempt to clean up the crime scene, and this is all happening at his house in Mesa, Arizona.

That`s the sink he apparently staggered at one point to the sink and literally bled over the sink. The really sad part about this is that he wasn`t killed instantly. This was a long struggle and a very violent death.

Jodi, then, the day after his body is discovered calls -- actually, she called the day of, but she actually begins a conversation with the lead detective the day after his body is discovered, and the lead detective tape records it, and she`s a regular Chatty Cathy on the phone with this lead detective, Detective Flores. And she tells him all about how she and Travis would exchange passwords, and that he even sent very mean messages to her.

Listen to this phone conversation that was caught on tape.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: There was also some talk about you spying on his e-mail and Facebook account and other things.

ARIAS: He gave me his -- he gave me his Facebook password and his MySpace password and I gave him my Facebook password and my Gmail account password. And I really (inaudible) bad because it was kind of dumb; we did that months and months ago and we thought, what can we do to try to re- establish trust between us? Travis, when he got upset would send me really mean e-mails. He would send me mean text messages.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: And one of the things that came up in this call that`s extremely creepy. I don`t know if you can read the title of this book, but it`s "1,000 Places to See Before You Die" and she mentions that, oh, she and Travis were reading this book and going to various places.


Aaron Mortensen, our exclusive guest, a friend of Travis Alexander`s. I want to thank you for joining us. And speaking for a man who cannot speak for himself anymore, this struck me as particularly sinister, creep and weird that she would be purportedly reading this book "1,000 Places to See Before You Die" with a man that she ultimately killed in a very gruesome fashion.

You met Jodi Arias three times. What struck you about her?

AARON MORTENSEN, FRIEND OF TRAVIS ALEXANDER: I guess, Jane, the way I`d answer that is, by just telling you one of the times that I met her, I was asked to give the eulogy at Travis` memorial service, and I showed up there kind of humbled with that responsibility, and opportunity to paint the picture of this man, and intimidated as I saw that there were more than 1,000 people in a small church room.

And Jodi was one of the people that came to that memorial service, which would have been a week after he passed away. And after I had spoken and used some images to kind of talk about Travis and some things that I remembered of him, she came up to me afterwards and was, you know, sad and then she asked if she could have a digital copy of what I had written and the pictures that I had used to kind of tell the story.

In retrospect, you know, I guess that seems kind of bizarre with everything that we`ve learned about her since then.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes. It`s creepy. It`s down-right creepy, and especially now that we know that she`s admitted, "Yes, I did kill him," claiming self-defense.

Let`s go out to the phone lines -- the very patient Crystal, Iowa. Thank you for your patience, Crystal. Your question or thought?

CRYSTAL, IOWA (via telephone): Yes, hi. She says that she stabbed him in self-defense. I don`t know about you but if I`m going to stab somebody in self-defense, I`m going to stab the person, I`m going to run away and I`m going to call the cops. I`m not going to hang around and stab him another 27 times, and then take pictures and stuff like that.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Absolutely. Shanna Hogan, journalist/true crime author, how can the defense explain the sinister, weird, creepy photos that she took before and after the crime scene and what exactly did she do after killing him?

SHANNA HOGAN, JOURNALIST/TRUE CRIME AUTHOR: I think the defense is really going to be in a problem here. I mean not just the actual act, the 27 stab wounds -- 29, 27. Just being able to, like, the prosecutor`s going to try and present the fact that he stabbed and shot him after he was almost dead. So you know, the overkill here is monstrous and it`s going to be really, really difficult for the defense to overcome.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Tim La Sota, former prosecutor, she then takes off to Utah to visit another guy who she`s got a budding love interest with who is a co-worker of the deceased, the victim. And he says she`s got cuts on her hands, she`s got bandages and she`s is wearing a long-sleeved shirt. How does that fit into the state`s case?

TIM LA SOTA, FORMER PROSECUTOR: All of this is a big problem for Jodi Arias, as has been mentioned. I mean, her actions after this simply, to many people, do not look like the actions of someone who has had to kill someone in self-defense. I mean she changed her story three times.

I thought the caller had a very good point, that most people, if they have to make a -- do a violent act in self-defense don`t stick around and wait to see what happened. They get out of there. So, yes, I think it`s all a big problem. I think it will be very interesting to see how they try to explain all of this assuming Miss Arias testifies which I`m assuming she`ll have to.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, not only that, we have photos of all the washing, the beddings she stuck in the washing machine along with the sim card from the camera in an attempt to destroy evidence.

On the other side, we`re going to show you some of those photos.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Behind the smiles and these photographs there was a whole another reality for Jodi -- a reality that Travis raided because in reality, Jodi was Travis` dirty little secret.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: Coming up we`re going to show you photos that were shown in open court today of the crime scene and it is bloody and it is violent. Yes, Jodi Arias is crying through all of it. But let`s remember, she told several story about not being there and then it was a home invasion and she finally admitted, yes, she killed him.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Do you know of him having any weapons at all in the house?

ARIAS: His two fists really. (inaudible).

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No handguns or rifles or --

ARIAS: No. He wasn`t one (inaudible).

(inaudible)

ARIAS: No, he was more into, like, wrestling and UFC. And you know, he said he bought a punching bag.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: And now we`re going to take you inside the crime scene, show you photos that were shown in court today. These photos of Travis Alexander`s house which we`re going to show you a second. It`s in Mesa, Arizona and it was presented in court today.

There is the inside of his house. So jurors are getting a real sense of what his -- what his home looked like, and I think it`s so important. I remember the Casey Anthony case. I thought prosecutors made a big problem, big mistake by not taking the jurors right to the crime scene.

It`s a very nice home in Mesa, Arizona. You can see, there is the washing machine that pops down in the camera that Jodi tried to destroy by putting it in the washing machine and also, take a look at all of this bedding that she -- there`s a whole bunch of bedding in there. Take my word for it. This is the sim card which she apparently tried to destroy that had the incriminating photos. Sexual photos beforehand, then photos prosecutors say of the actual killing and then photos of the dead Travis Alexander afterwards.

Believe it or not, even though she deleted them, put them in the washing machine and pressed go, they still were able to get those photos out.

Susan Constantine, jury consultant; we`re being told by those in court that jurors were averting their faces at the gruesome photos which we blurred. I mean, I saw them and I gasped and we blurred them before we showed them out of respect for the victim. But you can see his body right there. It`s a bloody crime scene -- blood all over the sink. How does that impact them?

SUSAN CONSTANTINE, JURY CONSULTANT: It impacts them quite a bit. In fact what they`re doing when moving their head to the side, they`re creating a shield, a protection -- creating a barrier between the photos and themselves. So the fact that they`re actually moving their heads that way is increasing the disgust level, and could be, increasing the hatred level, which is exactly what the state will need to do in order to get this conviction.

So to increase that -- that impression that they have through those photos, I think it`s going to be very remarkable.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Lauren, California -- going out to the phone lines. Lauren, California -- your question or thought. Lauren?

LAUREN, CALIFORNIA (via telephone): Hi, Jane. My question is I`m a little taken back by her claim of self-defense because how can a person claim self-defense when they have no defensive wounds on their body?

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Excellent question. Beth Karas, you`ve been in court. That`s a really good point.

BETH KARAS, CORRESPONDENT, TRUTV: Well, you know, we don`t know that she had no defensive wounds on her body, because by the time she`s arrested it`s July 15th, 2008. Nobody actually saw them, and if she testifies, I know that`s a big if, maybe she`ll say that she did indeed have some wounds and she`ll give whatever explanation for not reporting it, and waiting basically to be found and telling all of these lies. I don`t know if it will be a winning argument, but she may say that she had some injuries.

Now, a number of the injuries -- well, not a number, but at least four injuries of what we`re calling stab wounds, are really just slash wounds because Travis Alexander grabbed the knife blade. He had three slashes on his left hand and one on his right hand and it`s -- it seems to correspond with grabbing the knife.

The prosecution says he was stabbed in the heart first so he probably grabbed the knife, staggered to the sink. Let all that blood out that we saw. Staggered down the hall, started you know, getting weak, dropped. She slit his throat. Dragged him back, shot him in the head and put him in the shower.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Come to think of it, we heard and we read that she went up to Arizona to visit a co-worker of Travis` who was another love interest, and he said that she had bandages on her hand; so that`s the thing that`s scares me, Tim La Sota former prosecutor, death penalty expert.

I never predict an open and shut case. I sat through the Michael Jackson child molestation case which is so-called open and shut -- acquitted on all charges. I sat through the Casey Anthony case which was supposedly an open and shut case -- acquitted as we all know.

The problem with evidence is that you could play it either like you could use the cuts on her hands to say she was hiding a murder. She could also turn around in her closing argument, or when she takes the stand and say, oh, yes. These are my defensive wounds.

LA SOTA: There`s no question about that, and, Jane, I guess all of this proves that there is no such thing as an open and shut case. You mentioned Casey Anthony. The jury there bought into what I thought was a very farfetched theory. A lot of other people did, too, and now with that evidence of the Google search, it`s looking even more clearly like that.

I mean I guess that you just hope you get a, you know, a jury that listens to the evidence and sort of can sort through what is a legitimate defense claim and you know, what is a farfetched theory that is the best that defense can come up with in a given case. We`ll see what happens.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: And gender is an issue. Gender is an issue and most of the jurors on this panel are male. That -- when we come back.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: We`ve been talking about how there`s no such thing as an open and shut case. The forensics here are overwhelming. She`s at the crime scene, and she openly admitted she did it but she`s claiming self- defense.

So this overkill, how will that play? We`re going to talk to a psychotherapist about her possible strategy.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Travis tied Jodi up, tied her to the bed with this rope. He used a knife to cut the rope when it was at the appropriate length. They engaged in sexual activity.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: You might say that the defense is using the kinky sex defense, but here`s what the prosecutor got the lead detective to say today about the absence of any rope in Travis home.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Did any officers look underneath the bed?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Did they look behind the headboard?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Was there ever a knife found anywhere near there.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Was there ever any rope found anywhere near, in other words any of the strands that we`re talking about, were any of those found anywhere near the bed?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: All right. So, Selin Darkalstanian, you`re there in court and you hear the opening statement, oh, kinky sex right before he was killed and there was a rope. Well, the prosecutor laid it out. There was no rope found in the home.

What has the reaction been? Because you know, it could provoke anger if you feel like for an example an opening statement is made up of whole cloth.

SELIN DARKALSTANIAN, HLN PRODUCER: Honestly, I think today everybody was so shocked that none of that matters. I think when you see blood and you see gruesome photos of a body and you see the body -- those things don`t matter. I mean you`re looking at the jury, you`re seeing their reaction; you`re looking at the family and seeing their reaction. Those things Jane are almost irrelevant.

I mean maybe they`re important in the case but when you`re looking at the reaction, nobody even -- I think the details get lost in what the photos evoke.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Susan Constantine, jury consultant, we have a mostly male -- they haven`t figured out who is going to be the alternates. That happens at the end of the case but before they deliberate. But it`s a mostly male panel at this point. Is this sex talk going to impact them differently than if it was a mostly female panel?

CONSTANTINE: Well, let`s look at also too the age factor of some of those jurors because most of them are elderly. There`s one gentleman that`s 20 years old who might connect more with the defendant, but on the other hand, when you`re talking about the sexual promiscuity and so forth and they`re older, you know, I think especially with what your last expert was talking about, you can`t get past those photos.

But here, let`s talk about the demographic fact. Go ahead.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes, no, I didn`t say anything. But we only have ten seconds. Do you think the male is going to react differently? Yes or no.

Constantine: No.

ROBI LUDWIG, PSYCHOTHERAPIST: I think it`s very possible because she`s very pretty. And you know, it could create a different kind of response, sex sells. Guys, even though they`re older, in their head we don`t know what age they`re at.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes, sex is a wildcard --

LUDWIG: Yes.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: More in a second.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

ARIAS: I never really dated anyone since, and he told me that he hasn`t dated anyone since but then he told me that he has. It`s just all been kind of weird because we kept our dating life sort of from each other like don`t ask, don`t tell policy sort of.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: And beats me why she would call the detective right after the body is found and offer advice of, oh, you should look here or there. She may think that she`s being clever but she implicated herself a lot.

Let`s go to the phone lines; Rhoda, Florida -- your question or thought, Rhoda.

RHODA, FLORIDA (via telephone): Yes, Jane.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes, hi.

RHODA: hi, thanks for taking my call. I`d like to know about the gun that she had. Was that registered to her and purchased legally? And my second question would be, who`s paying for her defense?


VELEZ-MITCHELL: Ok. Well, the gun, they never found a gun, but cops say that there was a very suspicious break-in at her family home a week before where she claimed her grandpa`s gun was stolen, and it`s the same caliber as used in the killing.

And my understanding is that these are public defenders, that she`s not paying for it.

Robi Ludwig, you had a theory because you say, well, she`s a stalker. Is she crazy? What do you think?

LUDWIG: She clearly has a personality disorder. I would say she has a borderline personality disorder. They can`t tolerate rejection. It brings up this feeling of a void. She may have felt that Travis was really hers. He didn`t have a right to leave her and it offended her sense of herself that no one should leave her. That was wrong and it created such a rage that she retaliated in kind with violence.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes, and I remember studying borderline personality disorder for another case that I covered. And I thought it was fascinating what the psychotherapist said was that borderline personality people don`t know where they end and someone else begins.

LUDWIG: Right.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: So therefore, they see somebody that they say, I want that, I want their car, I want their house, I want their life and they just move in.

LUDWIG: I feel like a person -- I feel like a whole person when Travis is in my life and when he`s not in my life or rejecting me, who am I, what am I? I`m a nothing and can`t tolerate that feeling.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes, and one of the reasons why this is such an important case for us to cover is that these are extreme examples of dysfunction that a lot of us exhibit in small ways in our daily lives. So it`s really good information to learn about, let`s say borderline personality disorder so that you can recognize it in someone else.

LUDWIG: Right.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Do you have someone in your life who sort of thinks they own you and thinks at any time they see something that you have that they like that they can take it. You know, it`s kind of like the friend who comes to stay and stay for dinner and --

LUDWIG: Well, the female stalker can be a lot more dangerous than they seem. In some cases they`re dismissed. They`re women; they`re not so powerful.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Good point.

Nancy is up next with more on this case.

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Jodi Arias trial: 911 call details day friends found Travis Alexander's body
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PHOENIX - For the first time, we heard the 911 call made by friends when they found the body of Travis Alexander in June 2008.
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Friends had come to Alexander's home to check on him and discovered him dead in the shower with blood everywhere.

"Our friend is dead at his home. We hadn't heard from him in a while and came to check on him. We think he is dead," they are heard saying on the 911 call.

His roommate went to check on him and said, "There is blood everywhere."

In Thursday's trial, Arias' defense team brought up a French maid outfit. Her defense team said Alexander paid Arias to clean his home and wanted her to wear a similar outfit when she did.

That plays into the defense strategy of showing him as an abusive, sex-crazed man who treated Arias as a sex slave and that she killed him in self-defense.
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Jodi Arias defense submits emails in which Travis Alexander called her a ‘slut’ (Photos)
January 3, 2013

On Jan. 3, 2013, the defense for Jodi Arias, 32, the Ariz. woman accused of murdering her boyfriend Travis Alexander, entered into evidence emails between the lovers in which he called her a “slut” and a “whore.”

It was also revealed the former lovers shared social media passwords due to their distrust of one another.
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NANCY GRACE

Day Two of Jodi Arias Murder Trial

Aired January 3, 2013 - 20:00   ET

THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.


RITA COSBY, GUEST HOST: Breaking news tonight out of Arizona, day two of the most anticipated trial since tot mom, Casey Anthony. She`s beautiful and charming, but is Jodi Arias a killer? The singing beauty accused of murdering her ex-boyfriend, successful entrepreneur Travis Alexander, by stabbing him not once, not twice but 29 times, then allegedly shooting him in the face.

Arias first claimed she wasn`t there, then reveals her and Travis were attacked by intruders. Now her story is she killed Travis in self-defense. With 29 stab wounds? New tonight, fresh from the courtroom, Jodi Arias caught on tape, her own words used against her by police. We have the audio.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

JODI ARIAS, CHARGED WITH MURDER: We were intimate, but I wouldn`t say romantic.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: References to being used sexually by Ms. Arias. "I think I was little more than a dildo with a heartbeat to you."

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (INAUDIBLE) in his bedroom, behind the door.

ARIAS: Hello. I just wanted to offer any assistance (INAUDIBLE) I`m a really good friend of Travis`s.

NANCY GRACE, HOST: Shot, stabbed 29 times.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It was an angry situation.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The first thing we think is these people hated each other.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: (INAUDIBLE)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Do you remember seeing e-mails in which Mr. Alexander referred to Ms. Arias as a slut?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: As a whore?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes.

ARIAS: He gave me his passwords. The only accounts that I`ve accessed there were Myspace and Gmail.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The prosecution said this was so violent.

ARIAS: He worked out really, really hard. He was so strong.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The defense saying this was self-defense.

ARIAS: I don`t see how anyone could overpower him.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She had sex with him to put him into a powerless state, and then she went in for the kill.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: How are you managing to stay so calm?

ARIAS: Through my faith and through the knowledge of my own innocence.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

COSBY: And good evening, everybody. I`m Rita Cosby, in for Nancy Grace. Thank you so much for being with us tonight.

Big breaking news tonight out of Arizona, day two of the most anticipated trial since tot mom, Casey Anthony. She`s beautiful and charming, but is Jodi Arias a killer?

New tonight, fresh from the courtroom, Jodi Arias caught on tape, her own words used against her by police. And we have the audio. Let`s go straight to Beth Karas with "In Session," the reporter. She is right there in the thick of it all. Beth, what happened today?

BETH KARAS, LEGAL CORRESPONDENT, "IN SESSION": Well, after that phone conversation was played -- and that`s Jodi Arias reaching out to the lead detective the day after Travis Alexander`s body is found, offering information, offering help, asking questions -- then the jury heard and saw rather a lot of photographs, which culminated at the end of the day with some very gruesome photos...

COSBY: Yes. And by the way, Beth...

KARAS: ... the whole scene...

COSBY: ... I think it`s important...

(CROSSTALK)

COSBY: Beth, I think it`s important to let everybody know the photos are graphic, and also, some of the language you`re going to hear tonight is graphic. Be very careful with your children. But again this is what was played in court today.

Beth, some stunning details verbally in those e-mails and also pictures, right, Beth?

KARAS: Yes, and the pictures really tell a story. They show that there was a struggle, a fight by Travis Alexander. He was fighting for his life. The prosecution says he was stabbed in the heart and then hung his head over the sink. And you can see he was probably spitting blood. It was a terrible scene.

The worst, though, is to come next week, where the jury will see the area where the state says his throat was slashed, and then he was dragged to the shower, shot and left.

COSBY: And Liz, I want to warn folks because there are some graphic pictures. In fact, there are some pictures of blood at the sink where they believe his throat was slit.

Let`s go to Bonnie Druker, NANCY GRACE producer. This picture is significant, some of these photos, and it really does shows a very bloody, brutal scene, right, Bonnie?

BONNIE DRUKER, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER (via telephone): Yes, it is so bloody and so brutal, I mean, members of Travis Alexander`s family, everyone was crying. They were taking tissues, and some of the people I was sitting next to had to turn their head. I even had to turn my head at some point.

It shows a real, real struggle, a lot of blood at the sink, on the floor, on the walls. And it`s just a tremendously violent, violent scene.

COSBY: And Bonnie, we`re looking at pictures right now. I mean it stuns to see the amount of blood at the sink, again, where they believe the fatal blow was that slit his throat from ear to rear, right, Bonnie? I mean, this was a dramatic wound.

DRUKER: Oh, yes, from ear to ear. I mean, she`s accused -- Jodi Arias is accused of stabbing him 29 times and then slitting his throat from ear to ear -- that`s a lot, a lot of blood -- and then shot him in the face, allegedly.

COSBY: And you know, I`ve seen some of the pictures, everyone, that we cannot show on camera. And there`s some really dramatic gruesome pictures showing a very beat-up, very bruised Travis Alexander, a lot of blood at the scene. Again, we`re not even going to show you those. The ones we`re showing you, I think, are graphic and give the idea of how difficult and horrible this crime scene was.

Beth Karas, what was the reaction from jurors, the reaction from others in the courtroom to see these kind of pictures?

KARAS: Well, let me start with Jodi Arias. She was crying a lot. I mean, tears were streaming down he face, down to her chin and she was...

COSBY: Beth, crocodile tears?

KARAS: ... wiping her eyes and her nose...

COSBY: Did they look genuine?

KARAS: ... constantly.

COSBY: Genuine tears?

KARAS: I don`t know. I mean, yes, she turns it on. They look genuine. I mean, maybe she`s saying to herself, How did I get myself in this position? Maybe she`s sorry she killed him.

It`s not in dispute that she killed him. The question is, should she be held criminally responsible, right? She says she was justified in doing it, but she killed him. She did this. That`s not in dispute.

But jurors- at times -- see, some jurors looked at the big screen directly across from them, some looked at a smaller screen above the witness, which was a little more -- showed a little more sharper detail.

But jurors who looked at the big screen across from them, like a big movie screen, had Jodi Arias in their line of sight. So I can`t believe they weren`t looking at her also, crying and turning her head. So they would avert their eyes from the picture to her at times.

They`re allowed to take notes. The witness hasn`t finished, so we don`t know if they have any questions for this witness all the photographs are coming in through.

But it was very somber in the courtroom. Earlier in the day, there was nothing gruesome. It was interesting facts, but nothing gruesome. But the day ended, the weekend, with some pretty powerful stuff, and the jury went home with (INAUDIBLE)

COSBY: You bet. You bet. C.W. Jensen, retired police captain, you`ve covered a lot of cases. This is a pretty gruesome crime scene. That`s going to have a big effect, seeing these pictures.

And again, I want to warn everybody, but I want to show you some of -- and again, these are sort of the lesser graphic ones, if you can imagine. I have seen some ones that we cannot show you on air, but very brutal, very bloody crime scene.

This is going to affect the jury, don`t you think, C.W.?

C.W. JENSEN, RETIRED POLICE CAPTAIN (via telephone): Oh, absolutely. I mean, many times, especially nowadays, you know, a judge will send jurors after a case to counseling. I mean, I`ve had them cry in my arms during trial.

So this is very graphic. Also, though, what`s going to really hit them is how she lied and tried to manipulate the police.

COSBY: Yes, and apparently, she lied big-time. Alexis Tereszcuk, senior reporter with Radaronline, she was lying through her teeth! They also played today some recordings. And this is with the detective she apparently reached out to him, said friends suggested she call because they believed she was stalking him. It wasn`t like she just kind of out of the goodness of her heart decided to call.

But she calls, and in the conversation, she totally lies to him, Alexis! She says, Look, I didn`t see him. I hadn`t seen him in a long time. Last conversation I had with him was the night before he was killed. Doesn`t say she was with him, right?

ALEXIS TERESZCUK, RADARONLINE.COM: You`re exactly right. And she says she was supposed to be house sitting while he went away to Cancun. She tells the detective all sorts of past history, and she says, you know, his tires were slashed. Maybe somebody -- that -- the person that did this murdered him. She was the one that slashed his tires.

She also claimed that they had -- they were broken up. They weren`t together. And then she said, But we were intimate, but please don`t tell anybody that because he`s a Mormon and she wants to protect his reputation. Everything she said to him was a lie.

But she was constantly fishing for information. She said, Well, what kind of weapon was used? And...

COSBY: Yes, she asked, was there a gun? Was there a gun? I thought that was really significant, Alexis.

TERESZCUK: You`re exactly right. She wanted to know details that somebody else wouldn`t have known. She said, Was there a gun? They hadn`t said that he was shot yet. What happened? And she said, you know, he was very strong. She couldn`t imagine how this could have happened. And then she said, The only weapons that I know that were in the room were his two fists, implying that maybe that was setting up her alibi or her excuse, that he was going to be able to hit somebody.

COSBY: You know, Alexis...

TERESZCUK: That was her defense.

COSBY: I think that`s exactly what she was doing. She was sort of laying the groundwork. Let`s play a little bit, if we could. This is this comment where she`s talking to the detective right away and said somebody slashed the tires. But get this. All the friends said he believed she slashed the tires. This was several months before.

But take a listen to how she framed it with the detective early on.

(BEGIN AUDIO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Did he have any issues with anybody here in town, any enemies, anybody that wanted to do him harm?

ARIAS: He got his tires slashed. It was last year. He was -- he said he was worried about that. And I was worried about that. He never locked his doors. And I told him -- I would tell him, Lock your doors. And he`ll be, like, You`re not my mom, you know?

And I come from -- he comes from a bad city. I think he comes from (INAUDIBLE) in California, which is gangs, violent, but -- and I come from a similar type of neighborhood (INAUDIBLE) California. So I`ve always (INAUDIBLE) lock our doors, and that`s just my habit. He doesn`t have that habit, and he lives in a great neighborhood and it`s never been an issue. Nothing`s ever been stolen. Nothing has ever been -- nothing has ever been, you know, broken into. And he had his tires slashed. I don`t remember when it was. It was last year sometime around Christmas, I think.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

COSBY: Psychologist Wendy Walsh, you hear that, she`s saying someone slashed the tires. The friends say he thought she slashed the tires because she was jealous of him and he was dating other people.

What do you make of it from a psychological standpoint? She`s sort of laying the groundwork. So that way, I -- you know, I take it that cops hearing it go, Well, maybe they`ll eliminate me if I kind of lay it all out here. What do you think that she`s going for, kind of fishing but also kind of presenting it now?

WENDY WALSH, PSYCHOLOGIST: That`s exactly what she`s doing. Now, remember, I`m pretty sure, I would guess, that this woman has a personality disorder...

COSBY: Ya think?

WALSH: ... and my suspicion is it`s a borderline...

COSBY: Ya think?

WALSH: ... personality disorder.

COSBY: I`ll agree with you on that one!

WALSH: But remember, just because -- just because you have a personality disorder doesn`t mean you have, like, a mental illness. You can be very smart and you can weave all kinds of tangled webs of lies. In fact, borderlines are particularly good at this. So she`s...

COSBY: Well, Wendy, I got to ask you -- cunning -- cunning like a fox, right? Cunning like a fox.

WALSH: Exactly. And so she`s both fishing for information because she wants to know what they have and do they have anything on her, but she`s also laying down little, tiny red herring clues to potentially be a defense in the future.
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Do you remember seeing e-mails in which Mr. Alexander referred to Ms. Arias as a, quote, "three-hole wonder"?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: A slut?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: A whore?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes.

ARIAS: Travis -- when he got upset, he would send me really mean e-mails.

911 OPERATOR: What`s going on?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: A friend of ours is dead in his bedroom!

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Did you kill Travis Alexander?

ARIAS: Absolutely not.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Did he have any issues with anybody in town, anybody that wanted to do him harm.

ARIAS: You know, he got his tires slashed. It was last year.

911 OPERATOR: Has he been threatened by anyone recently.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes, he has. He has as ex-girlfriend that`s been bothering him, calling him and slashing tires and things like that.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

COSBY: And It`s day two of the Jodi Arias murder trial. She`s beautiful, but she also is a killer, the defense saying self-defense, but yet he was stabbed 29 times.

Today in court, some very graphic e-mails. I also want to warn everybody some graphic language coming up. Indeed, this was the evidence presented in court today.

Let`s go to Beth Karas. Beth, some of these phrases -- I want to go through it -- you know, what, he called her a slut and, what, a "three-hole wonder"? Walk us through some of the language in the e-mails between Jodi Arias and Travis Alexander.

KARAS: Well, I do expect that we`re going to see a lot more of these e- mails and text messages. But through Detective Flores (ph), the lead detective, the case agent, on cross-examination, Mr. Nurmi (ph), one of the defense attorneys, asked him about, Isn`t it true, when you saw the exchanges, that he had called her a "three-hole wonder" and called her a slut and a whore. And he said, Yes, that`s true.

And so Juan Martinez got up on redirect -- and he`s the prosecutor -- and he wanted the context for this. And there was an objection and a sidebar. And it was -- you know, he was allowed to read a little bit more.

You know, the defense is trying to portray Travis Alexander as someone who was simply using her for sex and knew he would never marry her and was abusive emotionally toward her, psychologically abusive.

And they, in fact, intend to introduce an expert on abuse, domestic abuse, to talk about Jodi Arias and if she was truly a victim, and Travis Alexander, if he was truly an abuser. So I mean, they`re going to have some evidence, I believe, that they think will support justification.

COSBY: Yes, and one of the things, you know, Bonnie Druker, NANCY GRACE producer, the context that the prosecutors were going for was that he was saying she was always a liar and that some of the context of saying some of these things I understand was the context that he was mad she was lying, you know, that using this language, not necessarily always calling her that, but because he was mad she was lying constantly, correct?

DRUKER: Yes, I mean, there seemed to be a distrust or mistrust between both of them. I mean, at one point, Travis Alexander writes to Jodi Arias that, I`m nothing more to you than a dildo with a heartbeat. So I mean...

(CROSSTALK)

COSBY: Walk me through. What is this, a dildo with a heartbeat, that`s the phrase?

DRUKER: Yes, that is the phrase, a dildo with heartbeat. So it really, you know, depends on which side you believe here. But again, there was some distrust between both of them.


At one point in the trial today, they were talking about e-mails and Facebook accounts, and Jodi Arias said that they gave each other each other`s passwords because they wanted to kind of mend fences because there was so much distrust. It`s like, OK, here`s my passwords. Now look at what I`m doing. There`s nothing here or there`s something here.

COSBY: You know, let`s got to the attorneys, Holly Hughes, Alex Sanchez. Holly, you know, when I hear this, it`s sort of, like, let`s blame the victim. Let`s make him look like a pervert. Let`s make him look like a sex fiend, and she was, you know, this poor girl who happened to drive hundreds of miles to go see him, goes into his house and kills him. It`s not like he went to her house to kill her.

HOLLY HUGHES, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Right, but it`s not so much blame the victim as it is...

COSBY: How is it not...

HUGHES: ... explain to the jury.

COSBY: How is it not -- how is it not...

HUGHES: Because...

COSBY: ... blaming the victim? He`s not around to defend himself!

HUGHES: Rita! Rita, here`s the thing. They`re using his own words. They`re not just willy-nilly having her make up stuff.

COSBY: But it has to be in the context!

HUGHES: They are using his -- right, and that`s fine. Put the context in. But clearly, what they need to show the jury as the defense team is that he did have a cruel streak. And so when she is claiming self-defense, there is evidence to support that.

They would be inexcusable as attorneys if they didn`t go through every piece of the evidence and present what will back up their claim, and their claim is this is self-defense. He was cruel. He was emotionally abusive. And on this day, he got physically abusive. They are not...

COSBY: All right, but the one thing they don`t have, Holly -- one thing they don`t have. So far, we haven`t heard of any reports of him assaulting her, any calls of him offending her, any reports from the police. What are you saying, he suddenly snapped?

Meanwhile, she drove to his house? Alex, they got a tough case here!

HUGHES: OK, but here`s the thing...

COSBY: Alex -- I`m talking to Alex!

(CROSSTALK)

COSBY: Hang on one second. I asked Alex. Alex, go ahead.

ALEX SANCHEZ, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: You know, Rita, you know, let`s call a spade a spade.

COSBY: Yes, let`s!

SANCHEZ: And maybe I`m old-fashioned, but...

COSBY: What are you going to...

SANCHEZ: ... any man...

COSBY: You`re probably going to tell me it`s a tough case!

SANCHEZ: No, any man that calls a woman a slut, a whore and a three-hole wonder is absolutely disgusting.

COSBY: And by the way...

SANCHEZ: And I don`t care what anybody says about that.

COSBY: And by the way, Alex -- Alex, I agree with you. That is no way...

SANCHEZ: That`s right, but...

COSBY: ... to speak to someone...

SANCHEZ: ... it tells you -- it tells you something...

COSBY: ... on the other hand...

SANCHEZ: It tells you...

COSBY: ... it tells you...

SANCHEZ: Excuse me, Rita, but it tells you...

COSBY: Excuse me, Alex! It tells you you got a volatile relationship, but it doesn`t make it sound like she`s some saint!

SANCHEZ: Yes, but you know something? It tells you something about him. And this business about her being forced to wear a French outfit, her being forced to wear a shirt that says, you know, This is Travis Alexander`s...


COSBY: Alex, I just got to ask you a question, Alex. Was she forced to drive and go over to kill him?

SANCHEZ: You know something? Every...

COSBY: Was she forced to drive?

SANCHEZ: Everybody...

COSBY: You know, that`s -- that`s -- this is the biggest problem! She took off to visit him! She lied to police, Alex! If she was defending herself, she should have called police...

SANCHEZ: Yes, but you know, everybody...

COSBY: ... and said, Guess what happened?

SANCHEZ: Everybody...

COSBY: I accidentally killed someone.

(CROSSTALK)

SANCHEZ: Everybody, including you, Rita...

COSBY: ... forgot that, Alex, somehow!

SANCHEZ: Everybody, including you, are deviating from the main issue in the case. Was there self-defense in the case? What happened in that bathroom in that house?

COSBY: Let`s see it!

SANCHEZ: That`s what I`m interested.

COSBY: Let`s see it!

SANCHEZ: You`re looking at all the information that is occurring afterwards!

COSBY: Let`s see it, Alex! Let`s see it!

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

ARIAS: Hello?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Hello. Could I speak to Jodi, please.

ARIAS: This is Jodi.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I received a phone call stating that a female by the name of Jodi Arias wanted to talk to me.

ARIAS: Well, I heard all kinds of rumors. They said there was a lot of blood. I heard that his roommates found him or his friends found him or...

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The body was found in the shower.

ARIAS: I really don`t remember the day at all.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

COSBY: And I want to go now to Danny Jones. He`s the friend of the victim, Travis Alexander. And I want to remind everybody, Travis Alexander is the victim, and now he`s being victimized again, it sounds like, all over in court!

Danny, how hard was it for you to sit there in court and hear these words? You know, he`s calling her a three-hole wonder, all these things. They`re in the e-mails, but again, they need to be in context. It sounds like they`re going after him like he`s on trial!

DANNY JONES, FRIEND OF TRAVIS ALEXANDER: Well, that`s exactly what they were doing. You know, I mean, I don`t really understand your question, How do I feel about hearing those words? I mean...

COSBY: Yes, and how do you -- how do you...

JONES: I don`t know. I mean, how would you feel if somebody...

COSBY: I was going to say, how do you -- you know, as a friend, to sit there and feel like here your poor friend has been murdered, and now his reputation is being dragged through the mud!

JONES: Well, see, I think that`s the big problem here, especially, you know, in the media. Like, this isn`t a trial about, you know, how good of a Mormon he was or how well he lived up to his religion or what his sexual fantasies were.

You know, I think one thing we have to all remember here is this is a human being and he`s not perfect. I`m not perfect. You`re not perfect. Nobody is, I don`t care what religion you are. And you know, it looks like that during that season of his life, you know, temptation got the better of him on some of the other things.

But you know, I think we all need to remember the main thing of this whole trial is these three things, is did she murder him? Well, obviously. Was it premeditated? Yes. And was there self-defense -- was it because of self-defense?

There`s no way in hell it was because -- and here`s why, because why would she -- why would she dye her hair color? Why would she rent the car, turned her license plate upside down, pull the battery out of her phone, accidentally get lost and show up in Arizona, you know, stage the scene after she kills him. I mean, it`s absolutely ridiculous.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

ARIAS: I came over and I cleaned his house a lot. He sort of -- he paid me a little every month to keep his house nice and clean, sort of like a housekeeper.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Do you remember seeing an e-mail from Mr. Alexander to Ms. Arias where he provides her a picture of the French maid outfit that he would like her to don when she cleans his apartment -- or his home, excuse me.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: That doesn`t sound familiar.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I don`t remember that.

ARIAS: As far as getting into his Gmail, that never happened. If his Gmail window was open, then I would just close it.

He gave me his password. The only accounts I`ve accessed, though, were Myspace and Gmail because those were the only passwords he gave me.

Travis, when he got upset, he would send me really mean e-mails.

You`ll find probably some stuff on his Facebook. I know for sure you`ll find one on Facebook and definitely his Gmail. And you`re welcome to access all of my accounts, too, if you want.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

COSBY: And day two of the Jodi Arias murder trial.


Let`s go back out to Beth Karas.

Beth, you`re out there. You`ve been in trial all day. One of the things I want to have you talk about, some of the things that she said, what I thought was so fascinating about today was that the detective got there, and he talked about the conversations he had with her early on. And it seems like she was sort of setting the stage. You know, she talks about the gun, she brings it up. And he -- you know, she says no, he didn`t have a gun but coincidentally she had a gun stolen from her house the same kind.

And also she said he used his fists, kind of trying to describe him, I think, as a bit of a violent person, right?

KARAS: Yes, you know, it`s interesting. She did. She said the only weapons he had were his fists. And then there was a punching bag in his home. Jurors saw pictures of it. It was on the -- on the first floor off of the living room. And he -- he worked out a lot and he was getting in shape. He was ready for his trip to Cancun. He had been losing weight and was looking forward to it.

But what I was thinking when I was listening to her, I mean, she didn`t allege and assert self-defense right away. That`s her -- that`s her third story about what happened that day.

(CROSSTALK)

COSBY: Beth, Beth, she didn`t even say she talked to him.

KARAS: Only in the past year. No, but it`s interesting because some of the things in that initial statement, June 10th, 2008, the day after Travis Alexander`s body was found, seems to support and can be used in this self- defense claim now, but that`s not what she was saying back then. What -- and I guess what it means is, there`s a ring of truth to some of what she was saying. You know, not everything she said was a lie.

COSBY: Danny Jones, you`re the friend of Travis Alexander. When did you meet Travis?

JONES: I met Travis sometime in 2004.

COSBY: And so you met him before Jodi met him, Jodi met him at that Las Vegas convention in 2006. Did you ever meet her?

JONES: Mm-hmm.

COSBY: And what were your impressions of her?

JONES: I did meet her a couple of times. The only time that I really saw her and Travis together was, you know, at business functions and a meeting with, you know, 200 other people. And quite frankly, I had my own things to worry about. I was working and I had my own girlfriend and it wasn`t really something I was paying attention to.
COSBY: You know, you knew Travis and you`re hearing these allegations, sort of painting these twos different pictures of him, if you will, in court. Did you ever see anything where he had a violent streak or an angry streak? It sounds like as the defense is trying to lay the claim for self- defense?

JONES: Absolutely not. You know, I know Travis on, you know, more of a personal level sometimes. You know, we met and he was a mentor of mine in the business. And we became really good friends and he`s come over to my house for dinner and friend`s house for dinner, I stayed over at his house, you know, numerous times. And you know, we went on a cruise together.

We even trained on stage in front of hundreds of other people together here in Arizona. And you know, he was -- he was the comedian. He was funny. Gentle. Very, you know, honest. And, you know, there`s -- I think if they`re trying to use the whole, you know, violence, if he really was a violent person or a raging person, that`s going to show up in other areas of your life that a lot of other people are going to be able to see and not one person that knows Travis has come out and said yes, he was -- he was that person. There`s -- it has no merit on anything. There`s no way he was that person.

COSBY: Did he ever talk about her? Did he ever talk about Jodi Arias and say anything about her?

JONES: Not with me.

COSBY: Is it possible he had sort of two different lives? I mean, is that -- is that possible?

JONES: You mean with Jodi?

COSBY: Yes, I mean just, you know, sometimes people are one way with one person and one with the other, although, as I keep saying, you -- I mean, if somebody has a violent streak, the cops would have been called out. Something would happen. We`re not hearing any of that.

JONES: Yes. You know, I mean, we`re all human. I mean, but as far as the whole violence part, it just -- it wouldn`t have happened. Not out of Travis. He was -- he was the most genuine person that I`ve met in a long time and had a heart of gold. And I think that they`re using the whole violence thing because that`s -- what else can she say? She`s already changed her story two or three times. So she has to rely on this. And of course, Travis isn`t around to back himself up. So we just have to take things out of context. And, you know, so that`s all she can use.

COSBY: Well, and I agree with you.

Aaron Brehove, body language expert. There are all these three different stories. You know, first she says I wasn`t there, I don`t know what you`re talking about, what planet you`re on, to the cops and then we even heard from the recording today, she basically said, last time I talked to him was last night. She forgets. She was there. You know, I mean, it`s incredible, the lies and how calmly she lies.

Then she says these, quote, "intruders," then she comes with self-defense. We`ve yet to see that one. What do you make of all this sort of calm, easy-to-lie person?

AARON BREHOVE, VOICE ANALYSIS AND BODY LANGUAGE EXPERT: Well, we see it on her interview on "Inside Edition," very calm, collected, cool. But then we see it in this -- in this film conversation. The police investigator did a terrific job continuously caught her in lies. She starts out by saying, as far as getting into his e-mails that never happened. And he says well, actually we have a search warrant. And then she says OK, well, I`ll -- yes, I`ll tell you right now that I -- that I did get into his e-mails.

So she comes out and she lies and she then she backs up a little bit and says OK, well, now I`m going to tell you everything. She keeps on getting caught and she never wants to give it up.

COSBY: And, Aaron -- hold on, hold one second, let me play a little bit of that "Inside Edition" and let me get you to comment. Here`s that interview.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Did you kill Travis Alexander?

ARIAS: I absolutely did not kill Travis Alexander. I had nothing to do with his murder. I didn`t harm him in any way. I witnessed Travis being attacked by two other individuals.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Who?

ARIAS: I don`t know who they were. I couldn`t pick them out in a police lineup.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: So what happened?

ARIAS: They came into his home and attacked us both. I`m not proud that I just left my friend there to be slaughtered at the hands of two other people. I`m not proud of that at all.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

COSBY: You know, and that`s Jodi Arias on "Inside Edition." You know, Aaron, when I see that, I think of how calm and how easy it is for her to make up this story. You know, and of course, by her own admission now says it`s self-defense. She was there, she did kill him and then today we hear in the conversation with cops, very calm, no, I hadn`t seen him since April. It`s June. She was in the house, we know.

No, you know, I -- you know, I talked to him the night before. It`s amazing how easy it is and how smooth it is for her to lie.

BREHOVE: She thinks she`s hugely intelligent. She`s not quite as smart as she thinks. The cop -- the police investigator texted her numerous times and then eventually she goes from saying I have no idea to who it may be, to name somebody else, Thomas Brown. She starts out by saying that he`s a sexual predator. That it was a very -- it wasn`t a friendly situation. And at the end of the statement, she`s realizes this isn`t the person who did it, I need to back up a little bit and says she`s a -- he`s big dumb teddy bear.

COSBY: Yes, like make up your mind. Right.

BREHOVE: This is not a -- yes, exactly. She has no idea where she`s going with this. While she`s a great liar, she`s not quite as intelligent as I think she thinks she is.

COSBY: Well, let`s go to the callers, Linda from California, you`re on the line. What`s your question, Linda?

LINDA, CALLER FROM CALIFORNIA: Hi, Rita.

COSBY: Hello there, how are you?

LINDA: I`m good, how are you?

COSBY: Good, good, good. What`s your question?

LINDA: I was wondering if anyone on your panel is aware of any restraining orders that might have been placed against her from past relationships or any issues, serious issues she had with boyfriends in the past.

COSBY: That`s a great question. Let me go to Bonnie Drucker, NANCY GRACE producer.

Bonnie, anything in her or her history and let`s just make it blank. Anything in his history that you know of.

DRUKER: No, I haven`t heard one of those things. Definitely not on him. Haven`t heard of any restraining orders. And in fact, he never called cops to have a restraining order against her even though he suspected that she slashed his tires.

COSBY: Yes, that`s interesting. Let`s go to Barbara from South Carolina.

Barbara, what`s your question? Barbara, you`re on the air. What`s your question?

BARBARA, CALLER FROM SOUTH CAROLINA: Yes, ma`am. I`m here. I was just wondering, each time that she changed her story in the three different stories that she gave, I was wondering if she gave a different story to different investigators or if she gave all three stories to the same investigators?

COSBY: Beth Karas, let`s go to you. Some was to the media, right?

KARAS: Well, she repeated to the media. Now this is coming up in the case. They`re putting things in in a chronological order. So we`re going to hear on July 15th, when she gets arrested, she talks to Detective Flores. The same on in the phone call that the jury heard today. And she will continue to maintain that she hasn`t seen him since April.

She thinks about it overnight and calls him the next day and wants to talk to him again. She`s in custody and that`s when she changes to the second story. So that`s the same detective. When she comes out with self-defense that may have come out through her attorneys.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

ARIAS: Even though we broke up, we`re no longer boyfriend and girlfriend, we decided to remain friends.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK. So you guys were not like romantically together at any time or --

ARIAS: We were intimate but I wouldn`t say romantic as far as the relationship goes.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Travis` family and friends say Jodi was stalking him in the months before the murder, something she denies.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He rewarded that love for Travis Victor Alexander by sticking a knife in his chest.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: To the bathroom where the shower stall was. That was all covered in blood. And I noticed large amounts of blood pooling and smears.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I think she should be on death row until she dies.

ARIAS: The evidence is very compelling, but none of it proves that I committed a murder.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

COSBY: And I want to warn everybody there`s some graphic language and also graphic pictures, again, all of this part of the evidence in day two of the Jodi Arias murder trial. Today, we`re hearing that Travis Alexander, you know, this is via e-mails, called her, quote, "a slut." Called her a three-hole wonder and said, I was little more than a dildo with a heartbeat to you.


Some pretty graphic language. So what does it all mean? Are they trying to smear the victim? In addition to that, I want to show the footage. Take a look right here. This towel, I think, is very significant.

Let`s go to Bonnie Drucker, NANCY GRACE producer.

Bonnie, we`re looking at pictures of the T-shirt being held up. Underwear, other things. What`s the significance of all of this that was shown in court today?

DRUKER: Well, all this stuff including pillowcases and socks, they were found in the washing machine where the camera was also found. So I guess what they`re trying to say is that she cleaned up the scene, including that towel, and then put it all in the washing machine.

COSBY: And what we`re seeing is the towel sort of looks like it was bleached, right, Bonnie? Wasn`t there the something regarding bleach like trying to really hide the evidence, it could be?

DRUKER: Right, right. Trying to hide the evidence, bleached out towel and the T-shirt had some bleach on it. I can tell you right now that the family -- Travis Alexander`s family lost it when some of his stuff starts to come out. I mean, the witness put on these rubber gloves and dug into a plastic bag that`s been wrapped in paper and took one item out, one at a time.

And it was really, really hard. But again, that towel was probably used or looked like it was used in the murder.

COSBY: And C.W. Jensen --

(CROSSTALK)

DRUKER: Used to wipe out the murder.

COSBY: Retired police captain, you know, C.W., all of this, the bleached towel, the bedding was also found in the dryer. And let`s not forget, she first said she wasn`t there and then suddenly she was there when authorities came up with this camera that was found in the washing machine. So that washing machine and dryer is pretty key for a lot of reasons, right?

JENSEN: Right, and you know, the bottom line is, and lord knows I called O.J. Simpson and Casey -- what`s her name, wrong --

COSBY: Casey Anthony. How could you forget that one?


JENSEN: Right. My fellow Arizona residents see through this. But I`ve investigated cases where women have killed abusive husbands. And do you know what they did immediately after the fight? They called 911. They had one story. They didn`t have a gun disappear from their father`s house. They didn`t have, as you say, the camera, the clothes, the trip, all these things.

I mean, it`s almost overwhelming the evidence against this woman. You know, the fact that she had a maid`s outfit makes no sense to me in any of this.

COSBY: You know, Holly Hughes, yes, hiding the evidence. She drives there, she comes over with the gun. Let`s hear your best one, Holly.

HUGHES: Well, first of all, nobody proved she came over with a gun. You`re saying it`s the same caliber gun. There are probably --

COSBY: She said -- she said she killed him. She said she killed him in self-defense. That`s not up for dispute, Holly. Are you going to pretend like she didn`t kill him now?

HUGHES: Right, but -- no, but if you`ll let me finish my sentence, a trial is a search for the truth. So when you say, I want to talk about all the bad stuff she did, let`s -- but then you get so upset when we simply talk about what his words were and how he treated her. So we need to keep an open mind until we see all this. We`re only in day two of this trial and we haven`t heard from the domestic violence expert yet either.

COSBY: Right. And by the way, we haven`t heard from cops, we haven`t heard from anybody who has said that he had a violent streak. So there`s a lot of unopened questions here and she`s got a big problem I think after today.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Do you remember seeing e-mails in which Mr. Alexander referred to Miss Arias as, quote, "a slut"?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: As a whore?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Those are the allegations they made.

ARIAS: No. No, not at all.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Why they would start pointing fingers in your direction right away?

ARIAS: I don`t know. Maybe I`m hated because I`m the ex-girlfriend, we`ve had lots of fight.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

COSBY: And again, everybody, we want to warn you, the words are graphic, the pictures are graphic that were shown in court today again presented as evidence in day two of the Jodi Arias murder trial.

Again the murder scene, as you can see, this is the sink. Bloody, very graphic pictures that were presented to the jury today.

Let`s go to Dr. Bill Manion, New Jersey medical examiner.

Dr. Manion, when you see these pictures, from a medical examiner`s standpoint, and they believe, by the way, the sink is significant because that`s where they believe she slit his throat from ear to ear. This is a picture here -- this is of the bullet, one of the shell casings, and you can see some dried blood. This is in the tile of the bathroom floor.

What is all of this telling you, Dr. Manion, when you see it?

DR. BILL MANION, M.D., MEDICAL EXAMINER, BURLINGTON COUNTY, NJ: Well, this is a type of overkill that involves a person that knows this person intimately. And I also noted the medical examiner did a rape exam on the deceased. He wanted to make sure that he hadn`t been the victim of some homosexual rage act which we sometimes see when a person is upset about, you know, having a homosexual relationship and then, you know, becomes sober and becomes more -- becomes more real and then decides to take revenge on the victim. So he even did a sex attack --

COSBY: Because, Dr. Manion, it was so powerful and just so violent, right?

MANION: Exactly. Exactly. And the medical examiner even said it was a deep, forceful slice across the throat. I mean, to cut the airway completely and then to hit the carotid, all that blood splatter you see there on the sink and mirror is blood spurting from the carotid artery that`s just been severed.

COSBY: It`s just heartbreaking. I can`t even imagine what his family went through and friends who were there in court today.

You know, C.W. Jensen, when you see this, one of the things that surprised me, the authorities were saying at first they thought it was more than one attacker. This is before they zoomed in on Jodi Arias, because it was so brutal.

JENSEN: Right. The doctor would know, obviously, better than me. I`ve been to a whole lot of autopsies but he`s done a whole lot more than I`ve done. And so I -- you know, he could -- the medical examiner oftentimes can kind of tell when the wound happened, when the gunshot wound happened first. To me it kind of makes sense that she would shoot him and then in that rage that you talked to with some of the other guests that she tore him with, you know, a bladed weapon and cut his throat.
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

COSBY: And we remember American hero, Army Staff Sgt. Rusty Christian, 24 from Greenville, Tennessee, killed in Afghanistan. He was awarded the Bronze Star, Purple Heart, two Army Commendation Medals and an Army Achievement Medal. He loved football, baseball and playing drums, and leaves behind parents Michael and Donna, stepfather Jim, brother Aaron, widow Amber, and children Taylor and Gavin.

Rusty Christian, American hero.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

ARIAS: He wouldn`t allow me to not answer his text message. If I didn`t respond, he would keep calling and keep calling until I did. I took it as a compliment.

NANCY GRACE, HLN HOST: She loves the limelight.

ARIAS: My mug shot. I did a little tilt on my head and gave a little smile. I knew it would be all over the Internet, so why not?

(END VIDEO CLIP)

COSBY: And let`s continue with the callers. Lisa from Canada, you`re on the line. What`s your question?

LISA, CALLER FROM CANADA: Hello, Rita. Thank you. Can I please ask you or someone else, is it possible that in prison that there is a therapist where they can talk to the person that has been charged with the crime to see what really happened?

COSBY: That`s an interesting question. Bonnie Druker, what do you think? What are you hearing?

DRUKER: I have not heard that one yet. But I`m assuming there`s some that they can. I mean, usually in prison some people sometimes get those services. But I`m not sure. I haven`t heard anything about Jodi Arias.

COSBY: All we know is she keeps singing and singing and singing. Let`s go to Cindy from Mississippi. You`re on the line. What`s your question?

Let`s go to Cindy again. Are you there, Cindy?

CINDY, CALLER: Yes.

COSBY: Yes, what`s your question real quick?

CINDY: Yes, I was wondering, I know there is a considerable difference in size between her and the victim. I was wondering, how does the prosecution stand on how she supposedly overtook him and committed the crime?

COSBY: Great question. Beth Karas, it is surprising because cops even thought two people did it, right, Beth?

KARAS: Yes, but what we learned yesterday, and I know I don`t have a long time to explain it, but what we learned yesterday is the state believed that as she was taking very tasteful photos of him in the shower, one of the photos is he`s crouching down in the shower and that`s when she stabbed him in the heart and that`s when the struggle began. And she slit his throat on his way into the bedroom. They were struggling in the hallway.

COSBY: Amazing when you overpower him at that point. Incredible.

And coming up next, everyone. "WHAT WOULD YOU DO?" ABC`s hit hidden camera show.

See you tomorrow night, everybody, 8:00 p.m. sharp Eastern Time, and have a terrific evening, everyone.

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JANE VELEZ-MITCHELL

Shocking Testimony in Jodi Arias Trial so Far

Aired January 4, 2013 - 19:00   ET

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JANE VELEZ-MITCHELL, HOST: Tonight, will Jodi Arias`s sexually- charged defense possibly sway some jurors that her violent actions, stabbing her ex-boyfriend 29 times and shooting him in the face, were not acts of jealous rage, but rather self-defense?

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

VELEZ-MITCHELL (voice-over): Tonight, is the case against Jodi Arias really as open and shut as most experts believe? Or could her stunning claims that her ex-boyfriend, Travis Alexander, sexually degraded her be enough to sway one juror in this death penalty case? We`ll debate it tonight in our in-depth coverage of Arizona vs. Jodi Arias.

And later, why is "Jackass" and "Killer Karaoke" star Steve-O on a life-and-death mission? He`ll tell us on this show tonight.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She took the knife and began to stab him when he was in that defenseless sitting position.

JENNIFER WILLMOTT, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Travis grabbed her and spun her around. Afraid that he was going to hurt her, Jodi was actually relieved when all he did was bend her over the desk.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You ever been back in town?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Photographs from a digital camera that told a different story.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I had an immediate suspicion that it was Jodi who had done this.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: There was a print left on the wall in blood that led investigators to Jodi Arias.

JODI ARIAS, ON TRIAL FOR MURDER: I would be shaking in my boots right now if I had to answer to God for a heinous crime.

WILLMOTT: In reality, Jodi was Travis` dirty little secret.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Tonight, an extraordinary first week in the Jodi Arias trial as sex, secrets, and graphic crime-scene photos spill out in the courtroom.

Good evening. I`m Jane Velez-Mitchell.

The beautiful 32-year-old photographer is accused of stabbing her ex- boyfriend, Travis Alexander, 29 times, slitting his throat from ear to ear and shooting him in the face. The testimony has stunned the courtroom. Jodi`s defense team claims Travis and Jodi engaged in kinky sex and role- playing sex games. Listen to this, and we have to warn you, it is explicit.

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WILLMOTT: As Travis would explain to Jodi, oral sex really isn`t as much of a sin for him as vaginal sex. And so he was able to convince her to give him oral sex. And later in their relationship, Travis would tell her that anal sex really isn`t much of a sin compared to vaginal sex. And so he was able to persuade her to allow him to have anal sex with her.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Meantime, the prosecution showed jurors very disturbing photos, like this one of the crime scene. And it shows the victim Travis in his shower just after he was murdered and the bloody and violent scene prosecutors say that Jodi Arias tried unsuccessfully to clean up. And the jurors heard Jodi`s web of lies from her own lips when prosecutors say they played a police phone interview. Listen to this litany of lies.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

ARIAS (via phone): Was there -- was there like any kind of weapons used here? Or was there -- was there a gun? He had his tires slashed. I don`t remember when it was. It was last year sometime around Christmas, I think.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: That was around April that you last saw him, right?

ARIAS: Early April.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You haven`t -- you haven`t been back in town since then?

ARIAS: No, I haven`t at all.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: At the heart of this trial, the jurors have to decide, was this woman forced to kill in self-defense? Or is she a calculated killer who drove more than 1,000 miles from northern California to Arizona with a gun to kill a man she thought was humiliating her?

Straight out to "In Session" correspondent Beth Karas. You`ve been in court for all this trial. What has been the most compelling piece of evidence or testimony so far?

BETH KARAS, CORRESPONDENT, TRUTV`S "IN SESSION": Well, you know, Jane, probably the most compelling, since it is the state`s case, a series of photographs the state introduced basically transporting the jurors back in time to June 9, 2008, when the crime scene was discovered, when Travis Alexander`s body was discovered. They were graphic, they were gruesome, and they show a real violent fight for his life. That`s probably the most compelling of the first few days.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, the trial has been on for two days. As you mentioned, jurors saw these extremely gory photos from the crime scene. And we`ll showing you just a small sampling out of respect for the victim.

Jurors left the courtroom two days in a row with these -- that is the victim right there, in the shower. OK. That is his elbow right there next to the tub. You`re seeing some of the bloody photos. There`s a very, very bloody sink. There`s blood all over the place.

I`ve got to say, Holly Hughes, criminal defense attorney and former prosecutor, some say that this is one of the most open-and-shut cases they`ve ever seen. The forensic evidence is compelling, overwhelming. Her palm print is found in the crime scene with her blood mixed with the victim, Travis Alexander`s blood.

There`s this camera. They take photos of themselves in sexual positions before the murder. Then there`s, according to prosecutors, scattered photos as the actual killing is happening where she`s accidentally hitting the camera and it clicks. And there`s a photo of him dead. It`s a caught-on-tape crime.

Is this the ultimate open-and-shut case? Or is there no such thing as an open-and-shut case?

HOLLY HUGHES, CRIMINAL DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Well, I think we all know there`s no such thing as an open-and-shut case, Jane. And the problem is, yes, this is a horrific scene, and these are bloody details, but we know she was there. So finding her blood mixed with his blood and her palm print, that`s not the question. The question for these jurors is going to be why did this happen?

And the state has a problem, in my opinion, because their theory is inconsistent. They say up front she`s very calculating and methodical. She planned this. She dyed her hair. She rented a car. She drove 1,000 miles. But the killing is not at all calculated. If she`s going there to murder someone who she hates, I`ve looked at the autopsy, Jane. There are no stab wounds to the face and no stab wounds to the genitalia...

VELEZ-MITCHELL: There`s a shot to the face.

HUGHES: This is not planned -- OK, but that -- after everything is said and done, this is a frenzied attack. If she was planning on killing a man because he dumped her and humiliated her, you would expect to see, as we have and many others, stab wounds in the face to obliterate this person that humiliated her and in the genitalia, because he treated her so poorly. That`s not what we have.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Let me bring in Jon Lieberman.

JON LIEBERMAN, HLN CONTRIBUTOR: Perhaps the only question is in this case -- it`s not whether she did it. It`s not whether she`s guilty. I said this months ago right from this chair.

This defense believes she`s going to be found guilty. It`s just a matter of trying to keep her off of Death Row.

And Holly brought up one interesting and good point, in my opinion. And that is was this a pre-meditated murder? Or did she end up murdering him after they get into some sort of argument there at the house?

But here`s where I think the defense is going wrong. The defense is attacking the victim`s credibility. This victim who we see in the crime scene photos is lying there dead. Well, the fact of the matter is, Jodi Arias has no credibility at all. She is seen lying, heard lying. I don`t know how many more ways she could have lied in this case.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: You know what that reminds me of? Mike Brooks, HLN law enforcement analyst, Casey Anthony. We all know what happened in that case. Convicting somebody of lying is not the same thing as convicting them of murder.

And I will say that it would seem that, just like there were wild cards in that case and one of them was the defendant`s attractiveness and the sexual component, the dirty dancing, et cetera, sex appears to be the wild card in this case, too, Mike Brooks.

MIKE BROOKS, HLN LAW ENFORCEMENT ANALYST: It does. But you know, you`re looking to that conversation with the lead detective and Jodi Arias on June 10.

I was listening to that, Jane. And the first time I`ve heard that, Jane, I said, who does this sound like? Lying to the officer, very calm, very chatty. Who did it seem like? Casey Anthony. But, we know what that jury came back with. And all it takes is one, one in this case here, Jane.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes. That`s the thing. And I do believe that there is no such thing as an open-and-shut case.

BROOKS: No.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Because I`ve sat in so many courtrooms where everybody -- literally, I`m surrounded by reporters in the Michael Jackson child molestation trial who -- who essentially called me an idiot, because I said, no, I think that there may be a chance. And of course, Michael Jackson was acquitted.

This sexual angle is fascinating, because sex is such a core issue that affects people in such wildly different ways.

Now, it appears from Jodi`s phone call with the lead detective right after the body was found and the defense attorney`s line of questioning that their -- the defense is all about trying to show that this couple was into kinky sex and that he was sort of sexually -- they`re claiming -- don`t blame the messenger -- they`re claiming deviant in some way and that they were into dominant-submissive role playing.

Listen to this from the phone call.

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ARIAS: I practically lived there. I spent the night there several times a week when I lived there. I came over, and cleaned his house a lot. He paid me a little bit every month to keep his house nice and clean, sort of like a housekeeper.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Do you remember seeing an e-mail from Mr. Alexander to Ms. Arias where he provides her a picture of the French maid outfit that he would like her to don when she cleans his apartment, or his home, excuse me.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No, doesn`t sound familiar.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Jodi`s attorneys also claim Travis made this T-shirt for Jodi that reads "Travis Alexander`s," apostrophe "S." That was his way of saying, according to the defense, that he owned her.
So I want to bring in Dr. Judy Ho, clinical psychologist out of Los Angeles. Yes, on the face of it, kinky sex games between two consenting adults are completely irrelevant to a crime, a violent crime. But sex is that -- that crazy wild card, and you don`t know how it`s going to affect people, because it goes right through the conscious mind into the subconscious.

DR. JUDY HO, CLINICAL PSYCHOLOGIST: Absolutely. I think what the defense is trying to do here is make an emotional appeal. And what we know is the emotional appeal is much better than the logical appeal. We have the facts. We know that Jodi was at the crime scene. There were photographs. There`s tons of forensic evidence. So there`s not a question of whether or not she actually did this. It`s more just why did she do it?

And by using the sexual angle, that he was degrading her, that there were all of these elements where he was treating her like a possession, it`s really going to maybe shake at least one juror to saying, "You know what? I believe that she did this to protect herself. And because he had treated her so badly, this is why she did this in a time of passion. That this was not premeditated." And that will make a big difference in terms of the sentencing.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: I know a lot of the panelists are shaking their head. We`re just getting started with this debate. More on the other side.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: On June 9, 2008, Travis Alexander`s friends discovered his decomposing body in the shower of his master bathroom.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: A friend of ours is dead in his bedroom. We hadn`t heard from him for a while. We think he`s dead.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

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AARON MORTENSEN, FRIEND OF TRAVIS ALEXANDER: Jodi was one of the people that came to that memorial service, which would have been a week after he passed away. And after I had spoken and used some images to -- to kind of talk about Travis and some things that I remembered of him, she came up to me afterwards and was, you know, sad. And then she asked if she could have a digital copy of what I had written and the pictures that I had used to kind of tell the story. And in retrospect, I guess that seems kind of bizarre with everything that we -- that we`ve learned about her since then.

(END VIDEO CLIP)


VELEZ-MITCHELL: That young man who spoke with us exclusively on this show last night, a good friend of Travis Alexander`s who said that he was doing the best he can to be an upright member of society that he was an inspirational friend and motivational speaker.

He was a Mormon. And according to the Mormon religion, he was supposed to remain sexually abstinent until marriage.

And this is something that the defense keeps honing in on, as if hypocrisy, even if he is a hypocrite -- I don`t know. But even if he was a hypocrite, the penalty for that is not being murdered.

The defense claimed that Travis tied Jodi up. We don`t know if Travis tied Jodi up. That`s what the defense claims. But both sides agree they did have sex the day that he was murdered.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

WILLMOTT: She knew that the one thing that calms his temper the quickest is sex. So as she`s telling him, "It`s OK, I`ll fix it, don`t worry," Travis grabbed her and spun her around. Afraid that he was going to hurt her, Jodi was actually relieved when all he did was bend her over the desk.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: If a woman is willingly engaged in sexually-degrading sex with a lover -- this is two consenting adults -- while that lover`s pursuing some kind of good and pure woman -- we`re going to get to that in a minute -- well, that may be a problem for her. But that doesn`t justify homicide.

Now, Shanna Hogan, you`re a journalist and a true crime author. You`re writing a book about this case.

A lot of the defense seems to be trying to paint the victim, who`s not here to defend himself, as some kind of hypocrite that, you know, he`s a practicing Mormon but yet he`s having, secretly, sex with this woman who`s accused now of killing him.

You`ve talked to Mormons in the community or people in that area. What are they saying about this Mormon angle?

SHANNA HOGAN, JOURNALIST: You know, I really didn`t expect the Mormon angle to be played up as much in court as -- as it is being. You know, I thought maybe, if he ended up killing her because he was trying to hide this secret sexual tryst, maybe that made sense.

But, you know, the defense really came out with this whole he was sinning, so that makes him a bad person. But the prosecution has countered that and said, "You know what? Was she a Mormon, too? Did she convert?" Because she was sinning, too. There`s no double standard with that.

But what I`ve learned in the Mormon church is that, you know, when you sin, if you have a sexual indiscretion, you -- there`s ways to repent for that and to make amends and to get back into the church. And what we know about Travis is that he was actually not allowed in the temple. He was not what they consider temple worthy for a while. And that was likely because of his sexual indiscretions with Jodi. So he was trying to make amends for that towards the end of his life.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Mike Brooks, HLN law enforcement analyst. We`ve covered so many trials. I mean, seems like they`re throwing everything at the wall to see what sticks. And now they`re trying to bring his religion. They have brought his religion, the victim`s religion into this.

And again, well, who -- who amongst us lives a perfect life?

BROOKS: Nobody.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: But in any case, what does that have to do with her killing him in this vicious way?

BROOKS: Well, it has absolutely nothing. But what they`re trying to say is that he was so controlling, you know, when they talked about, oh, having sex this way or having sex that way, you know, isn`t a sin in the Mormon religion.

I mean, they have to walk a fine line here, though, Jane, because how is that going to play if you`re constantly berating the victim here and you look at the pictures of this crime scene? You know, how is that going to play the jury? And they`re going to say, you know what? I don`t care what religion you are. A lot of things go on behind closed doors that people don`t want other people to know about.

But did he -- did she kill him because she was trying to defend herself and she was in fear of her life? I don`t think it`s going to fly.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Jon Lieberman.

LIEBERMAN: I know. And here`s the other thing. There are going to be witnesses that testify that she was the one that continued to pursue him, as well. You`re going to hear a lot of that in this case. All of this is just a smoke screen. Their sex life isn`t on trial. This is a murder trial.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: But Holly Hughes, criminal defense attorney, it is a wild card. Because people do not always reason logically. Ninety-nine percent of all communication is nonverbal.

And as you mentioned, all it takes is her -- and she`s sobbing. I think we have some video of her sobbing. She`s been sobbing since the opening statement. Every time the camera goes on her, she`s sobbing, it seems. And that has an emotional impact on the jurors.

Who knows what their life history is, vis-a-vis maybe being dumped, maybe being humiliated by a lover at one point in their lives, and whether that resonates with them.

HUGHES: And what I think the defense is trying to do here is not so much put the victim on trial as show that he was one way in public. He had a public persona. All of his friends said he was a good Mormon man. He had all this great moral character.

And what the defense needs to do in order to corroborate the self- defense is say, "Yes, that`s fine. He was that way out front." But behind closed doors, like we`ve talked about multiple times, we know -- and the defense will be calling a domestic violence expert later on to say you can be very different when you`re in a sexual relationship than the person you show to be.

So I find it interesting that, when the prosecution puts in all of her bad stuff, it`s evidence. When the defense puts in his own words, his e- mails, they`re not calling it evidence. All of a sudden they`re calling it character assassination.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: And we`re going to play some of those e-mails and some more sound of this extraordinary trial on the other side.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

ARIAS: I didn`t commit a murder. I didn`t hurt Travis. I would never hurt Travis. I would never harm him physically. I may have hurt him emotionally, and I`ll always regret that.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

WILLMOTT: Jodi Arias killed Travis Alexander. There is no question about it. The million-dollar question is what would`ve forced her to do it.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Jodi Arias has shown a brazen streak during this entire trial. She`s there putting on make-up before giving national interviews behind bars. She`s joined singing contests.

But perhaps her most brazen mood was to call the lead detective right after Travis` body was discovered by his friends and offer police assistance. She even tells cops, who recorded the phone call, he might want to check out one of Travis` former roommates as a suspect.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

ARIAS: You might want to talk to a guy named Thomas Brown. And I don`t think that -- honestly, I haven`t seen or heard from him since he was kicked out. I think his last name was Brown. I can try to find him.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Given that Jodi has now admitted that she killed Travis in self-defense, to me, Beth Karas, this strikes me as particularly sinister that she seems to be proactively trying to point the finger at an innocent man. How does that undermine her claim that she killed in self- defense, because Travis was getting rough with her?

KARAS: Well, it undermines it a lot. I really don`t know what her explanation is going to be. Maybe we`ll hear it from the domestic violence expert who will give some explanation of why an abused victim would -- would lie the way she did.

I mean, she had two vastly different stories before finally asserting self-defense in June of 2010, two months -- two years after she was arrested. You know, she first said she hadn`t seen him, and then she said she was there and two intruders did it. Why isn`t she saying she was fearful of him? I guess maybe she thought the worst would happen -- what has happened, that she would be charged with murder and all and, you know, few people are believing her self-defense.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, Holly Hughes, this is the big problem for her. I mean, not just the overwhelming forensic evidence, the caught-on-tape murder on camera, but the fact that not only is she lying, but goes out of her way to try to point the finger at an innocent man. Is that going to wipe out any sympathy that she may have garnered from telling these stories about being sexually humiliated, allegedly?

HUGHES: Not completely, but it is a big hurdle for the defense. It`s kind of like when you walk in and the cookie jar shattered in the kitchen, and you say to your kid, "Did you do that when you were stealing cookies?"

"No, no, no, no. I didn`t do it. My friend Jason did it when he was over after school."

Then you start to show them evidence. You go, "You don`t have a friend Jason."

Oops. OK, I need to change my story.

Then, "Grandma says you weren`t doing your homework like you were supposed to. You were in the kitchen."

Then when you start to hit them with all this evidence, the kid has to admit the truth, and he says, "Well, you know what, Mom? I wasn`t stealing cookies. I was throwing the football in the house, and that`s when I broke the jar."

So they`re going to have to explain why she`s doing this. And I think the domestic violence expert they have on hand will explain.

You know, she`s very immature, Jane, putting on make-up, doing all these interviews. I think this was an immature, scared reaction, and I think the expert is going to be the best one to talk about it.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Selin Darkalstanian, HLN producer, you`ve been in court monitoring reaction. What`s the buzz in the courthouse? I mean, we were stunned watching this feed on tape and seeing some of this incredible testimony and graphic testimony, graphic photos. What`s the reaction in the court and around the court?

SELIN DARKALSTANIAN, HLN PRODUCER: The courtroom was very, very tense. You could hear a pin drop yesterday as all these numerous photos of the house and the crime scene were shown.

You have to understand, the jury is sitting there, and Travis Alexander`s family has the first two rows of the courtroom. So the jury can see Travis Alexander`s family in clear view crying, sobbing, hugging each other, holding each other, and they can see everything going on in the courtroom in clear view.

So it`s very tense. It`s very, very emotional. And the jury is very into it, by the way. They are leaning forward in their chairs. They`re listening. They`re looking at the photos. They`re listening to the phone conversations. They are looking around the room. They`re looking at Jodi. So they`re very into this.

And I have to say, there hasn`t been one dull moment in this case since this trial started two days ago.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: And I will also say that you can never predict what a juror is really thinking.

On the other side, we`ll debate more.

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ARIAS: I witnessed Travis being attacked by two other individuals.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Who?
ARIAS: I don`t know who they were. I couldn`t pick them out in a police lineup.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: So what happened?

ARIAS: They came into his home and attacked us both.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Jodi Arias crying again and she was hiding her face.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She sounded dangerous. She had broken into his e-mail accounts, his bank accounts, she would sneak into his house through the doggie door.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: A series of graphic bloody photographs of Travis Alexander`s master bathroom that suggests a horrific and violent fight for his life.

JODI ARIAS, ON TRIAL FOR MURDER OF TRAVIS ALEXANDER: I just wanted to offer any assistance. I was a really good friend of Travis`. I heard that he was -- that he passed away.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: They stared and they took notes.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Jodi Arias killed Travis Alexander. The million dollar question is what would`ve forced her to do it?

(END VIDEO CLIP)

JANE VELEZ-MITCHELL, HLN HOST: And the jurors saw extraordinarily graphic photos. You`re seeing photos of Travis Alexander in the shower, dead. And Jodi Arias who admits she killed him but says it was self- defense apparently tries to clean up the crime scene, but it`s unsuccessful because there is blood found everywhere -- overwhelming forensic evidence.

And her palm print is found at the scene and the blood is hers and the victim`s mixed together. What could be better evidence than that? Oh, how about the murder caught on tape? And prosecutors say the camera was accidentally clicked -- accidentally clicked revealing the moment of the killing.

The lead investigator reveals some sexually explicit and degrading messages that the victim, Travis Alexander, had sent Jodi during an argument they had. This is the other side of the coin. Is this going to have an impact? We have to warn you, the wording is very graphic, but this is what was said in open court.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Do you remember seeing e-mails in which Mr. Alexander referred to Miss Arias as a quote, "(EXPLETIVE DELETED)"?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: As a slut?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: As a whore?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: But the prosecution pointed out, the only reason Travis wrote those words is because they said he felt that Jodi was sexually degrading him -- again, some graphic material.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

JUAN MARTINEZ, PROSECUTOR: With regard to that reference involving that particular comment, why was that comment made as indicated in that document?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: References to being used sexually by Miss Arias.

MARTINEZ: What is he saying?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Specifically, let me read it from here. "I think I was little more than a (EXPLETIVE DELETED) with a heartbeat to you."

(END VIDEO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Dr. Judy Ho, clinical psychologist, what impact is all this sexual testimony going to have? I see it kind of as like a metaphorical hand grenade thrown into the case to confuse people. And when I see confusion in a jury, I often see reasonable doubt. What say you?

DR. JUDY HO, CLINICAL PSYCHOLOGIST: You`re absolutely right. I think what`s happening now is because they`re throwing this sexual -- sort of like a grenade like you just described, they`re really taking the issue away from what the main topic is here in this case. They`re trying to get the jurors really riled up, really emotional. They`re confusing them. And it`s going to be really difficult when you really talk about what reasonable doubt means when they get to that point, when they`re deliberating.

And it only takes one person to respond to something somewhere in the case, and it could be from their personal experience, it could be that they saw Jodi crying. Something could happen and one juror will say, "You know what; I think that something is different. I really don`t know if I feel comfortable saying that Jodi did this as a premeditated murder." And then that will change everything.

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JON LEIBERMAN, HLN CONTRIBUTOR: Here`s a couple things. Yes, it only takes one juror. But let me tell you this, there`s no link between all this sex stuff and acting in self-defense. In my opinion, the only way to reach even one juror to raise reasonable doubt is to put Jodi on the stand. They`re going to have to hear from her. They`re going to have to feel something for her.

But, of course, the problem with doing that from the defense`s viewpoint is the prosecution is going to rip her apart because her repeated lies. But I truly believe the only way, the only chance in the world that they have with even one juror is to put her on the stand and let her tell how she felt threatened in those final moments and see if it flies. I don`t think it will.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes. Frankly, I think that all this sex talk actually could backfire on the defense and prove the prosecution`s point that she killed him in a premeditated fashion because she was furious that he was having sex with her but didn`t consider her marriage material. To wit, the prosecution`s very first witness was a Mormon woman Travis was pursuing before he died and had even planned to take this woman on a trip to Mexico that he had won. Listen to her.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

MARIE HALL, TRAVIS ALEXANDER`S FRIEND: Even a few weeks before, like before we went, again, I told him, "Travis, maybe you should take somebody else to Cancun with you." And there wasn`t anyone else that he wanted to take.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: The woman on the left, Mimi Hall, told Travis she just wanted to be friends but Travis seemed to want a relationship with her. Meanwhile, he`s having sex with Jodi but doesn`t want to take her on vacation and doesn`t seem to consider her marriage material.

Beth Karas, essentially, are we talking about -- you know, unfortunately, these old sayings and these cliches have a grain of truth in them and that`s why they become cliches, sort of like the good girl/bad girl syndrome.


BETH KARAS, CORRESPONDENT, TRUTV: You know, there`s no question that Travis Alexander had to have been conflicted inside. Because it may not be a double life, but he did have a lot of sex with Jodi Arias and he was grappling with that. And he considered himself no longer temple-worthy, which is what Mimi hall testified to. She said she didn`t ask Travis what he meant by that, but now we know. It maybe he considered himself not temple-worthy in his faith because of the way he had been conducting himself.

And the defense says that Travis Alexander flew into a rage just seconds before Jodi Arias killed him because she dropped his brand new digital camera. She`d been taking photos. But the state says, oh, no, no, no -- she took a series of photos.

The last photo, he`s sort of crouched in a pose in the shower and that`s when the state says she took the opportunity to drive a knife into his heart. And he had cuts on his hand --

LEIBERMAN: Yes.

KARAS: -- he probably grabbed the blade. He was alive, he wasn`t shot at that point and he fought her and then, you know, he had his throat slit and was shot at the end.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: In an eerie irony, less than a month before Travis` death he blogged about dating and, quote, "trying to find out if my date has an axe murderer penned up inside her." That`s very, very bizarre and sad. He also talks about how he liked and even relished being single in his 20s and used to imagine himself as someone dangerously handsome, a tycoon in "Time" magazine, but that right before his death he realized it was time to adjust my priorities with marriage in mind.

So Shanna Hogan, could this prove the state`s case that Jodi was in a jealous rage because she wasn`t considered marriage material even though he had sex with her?

SHANNA HOGAN, TRUE CRIME AUTHOR (via telephone): Oh my God, absolutely. I`ve said from the beginning that I think the defense`s case is almost putting a motive for why she murdered him. They`re painting her as kind of a jealous person who was a sexual toy. And what more better reason is there for murdering someone than being used and abused throughout this relationship? And then at the end being told that, you know what, you were never marriage material to begin with.

And I`ve also said from the beginning, I think that there -- I know Arizona juries, I don`t know outside of the state juries. I cover Arizona cases. I don`t think that there`s an Arizona jury that will not find her guilty. But I don`t think they`ll sentence her to death.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, we`ve got a lot of predictions. We are all over this case. We`re covering it every single day. So keep it here, 7:00 p.m. Eastern for the latest on the Jodi Arias case.

And just minutes from now don`t miss "NANCY GRACE MYSTERIES". Check out Nancy`s take on the first two days of the Jodi Arias trial. Stay tuned for that 8:00 p.m. Eastern right here on HLN.

And coming up next, we`ve got an unbelievable guest. He`s very famous, and he`s got a message for you. Stay right there.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: We`re all over the Jodi Arias case 7:00 p.m. Eastern -- every detail of this extraordinary case. The crime scene photos, the audiotapes recorded by police, the incriminating comments that the defendant made. Keep it here for the latest from court.

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NANCY GRACE

Nancy Grace Mysteries -- Jodi Arias

Aired January 4, 2013 - 20:00   ET

THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.


(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

JODI ARIAS, CHARGED WITH MURDER: I didn`t hurt Travis. I would never hurt Travis. I would never harm him physically.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The petite 28-year-old is accused of murdering her ex-boyfriend, Travis Alexander.

ARIAS: I wouldn`t use obsession. I would say -- I don`t know.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: His neck had been slashed from ear to ear.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: He had been stabbed 27 times and shot in the face.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Did you kill Travis Alexander?

ARIAS: Absolutely not. No, I had no part in it.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Police say DNA evidence, including a bloody palm print, found at the scene links Jodi Arias to the murder.

ARIAS: There is an explanation for that. It doesn`t prove that I committed a murder. And I didn`t commit a murder.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

NANCY GRACE, HOST: I think what has intrigued so many people, so many court watchers, so many legal eagles with the Jodi Arias case is, in part, the physicality of the defendant, Jodi Arias. Many people -- not me, but many people believe that she is beautiful, extremely attractive, very sensual and charismatic.

And as a matter of fact, it`s not just physically that that seems to be her description, but apparently she, used her femininity to, let me say, stalk the victim in this case. In this case, Travis Alexander, also a motivational speaker, highly charismatic, successful, physically attractive, educated. He seemed to have it all, as did she.

JANE VELEZ-MITCHELL, HOST, "ISSUES WITH JANE VELEZ-MITCHELL": This is an absolutely fascinating case because of the contrast between the defendant -- demure, beautiful, petite, soft-spoken -- and the horrific nature of this crime, almost 30 stab wounds, gunshot, blood everywhere. How do you reconcile those two?

And then there`s the back story of the sex as caught on camera. Then there`s her arrogance, pronouncing to the world that, No jury is ever going to convict me. It`s unbelievable!

ELLIE JOSTAD, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER: I think what`s so interesting about the Jodi Arias case is that here you have a woman, who from outward appearances, seems to really have it together. She`s obviously beautiful. You have a victim who`s also this young, handsome, accomplished guy, and it`s a story that people can really relate to.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

ARIAS: I lived in Palm Desert, California. He lived in Mesa. So our friendship was really over the phone. Every night, you know, when all was said and done, when his day`s work was done and my day`s work was done, you know, he would inevitably call. And we would talk for a while, anywhere from, you know, a half hour, or sometimes it would end up being four hours. Then we`d fall asleep. And things like that. And then, you know, with time, it just kind of progressed into a little bit more and a little bit more until we decided to make it more official.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: (INAUDIBLE)

ARIAS: No, we never lived together, actually. I spent a lot of time at his house and we spent a lot of time traveling. But no, he had all male roommates.

(END VIDEO CLIP)
JOSTAD: It`s a breakup gone -- if the prosecutors are to be believed, it`s a breakup gone horribly, horribly wrong. You have Jodi Arias, who allegedly wanted to continue this relationship with Travis and wouldn`t take no for an answer, and essentially just started stalking him, started reading his e-mails and his text messages -- I mean, Sort of the typical horror story for anybody that`s had a bad breakup where the ex just kind of won`t go away.

GRACE: Police, authorities, believe that Travis Alexander was murdered five days before the discovery of his body. His body was found completely naked, crumpled up in an extremely odd position in the bottom of the shower in his five-bedroom luxury home.

(BEGIN AUDIO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Oh, my God!

911 OPERATOR: 911 emergency.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes?

911 OPERATOR: OK. What`s going on?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: What?

911 OPERATOR: What`s going on?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: A friend of ours is dead in his bedroom. We hadn`t heard from him for a while. We think he`s dead. His roommate just went in there and said there`s lots of blood. I didn`t go in, but I can give you the phone to someone who went in there.

911 OPERATOR: Yes, please, can you?

(END AUDIO CLIP)

JOSTAD: It turned out that his roommates -- he had a large house and had a couple of guys that rented rooms from him -- turned out they hadn`t seen him in a while, either. They actually thought that he was out of town on business, something like that.
So when the friends decided they really needed to figure out where Travis was, his bedroom was locked. They were able to find a key and get in there. And they were the ones who discovered the body.

He was found in the shower in his bathroom. He`d obviously been dead a while. There was blood all over the bedroom and the bathroom. There were signs of a violent struggle, blood splatter, pooling blood, dried blood.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: This was an extraordinarily violent crime, and it starts out in the shower. And authorities say that Jodi Arias shoots Travis in the face, but he`s still conscious. It disorients him. And then he takes off running.

He manages to get down a hallway, and then another confrontation occurs, and that is where authorities believe Jodi Arias begins stabbing, stabbing Travis repeatedly, and at one point, right through the chest. That is believed to be possibly the fatal wound.

She also allegedly slices his throat ear to ear. And then authorities believe she takes the body back to the shower and rinses Travis`s body off.

(BEGIN AUDIO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Hello.

911 OPERATOR: Hi. So what`s going on?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He`s -- he`s dead. He`s in his bedroom, in the shower.

911 OPERATOR: OK. How did this happen? Do you have any idea?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No. We have no idea. Everyone`s been wondering about him for a few days.

911 OPERATOR: OK, well, she said that there`s blood. So is it coming from his head? Did he cut...

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No, it`s all over the place.

911 OPERATOR: Is there any weapons around?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I don`t know. Not that I saw.

911 OPERATOR: How many people are in the house?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: There -- how many of us are in the house right now, just the five of us? Five of us.

911 OPERATOR: OK. I need all of you outside.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK. Outside. OK, we`re going outside.

(END AUDIO CLIP)

GRACE: Five days had passed. Interesting, when police found his body, his body had not only been positioned in that location -- staged, as we call it -- but he had also been bathed postmortem. Apparently, according to police, Jodi Arias gets warm water and she bathes the bloody body of her lover, Travis Alexander, as he lies there crumpled up in the bottom of the shower stall.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

ARIAS: And there was a sense of uncertainty at times and a sense of excitement and there was an excitement about the future. And we just had a lot of fun together, and it was one of those things where it was very fun while it lasted. And when we decided to break things off and become just friends, we continued to be friends. And that`s just how it went.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: Five days pass. A woman who was supposed to leave the next morning following the murder with Alexander on a trip to Cancun was highly suspicious because he never showed up. They didn`t go. Days pass, and friends finally enter the home. Another friend tells them the code, how to get in, and they`re all there together. They go into the home.

They immediately are hit with a stench. They know something is horribly wrong. They begin to see blood in the home.

(BEGIN AUDIO CLIP)

911 OPERATOR: What`s her name, Tracy?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Jodi. I don`t know her last name, but...

911 OPERATOR: Anyone know her last name?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Does anyone know Jodi`s last name? Taylor might, the best friend, but he`s not here. He`s on his way here.

911 OPERATOR: OK.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: And the (INAUDIBLE) just got here.

911 OPERATOR: OK. There should be an officer arriving, as well.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: OK. Are you a police officer?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I am.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: OK, he`s here.

911 OPERATOR: OK, I`ll go ahead and let you go.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: OK, thank you.

911 OPERATOR: Thank you. Bye-bye.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Bye.

(END AUDIO CLIP)

GRACE: They call 191 upon the discovery of Travis`s body, and within that 911 call it`s very compelling that even in that call, they say that there`s a girl, a girl that`s been stalking Travis, a girl named Jodi.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

GRACE: Jodi Arias meets Travis Alexander at a conference that takes place in Vegas. Where else? And they immediately steam up. They fall in love, and only when the flame burns out about five months later do they somewhat break it off.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

ARIAS: We met at the Rain Forest cafe in the MGM Grand in Las Vegas.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: How long ago was that?

ARIAS: It was in September of 2006.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: What was it about him when you saw him that kind of drew you to him?

ARIAS: There wasn`t really any initial magnetic attraction. At the time, I shook his hand, and he said, Hi, I`m Travis. I said, Hi, I`m Jodi. And his name was just another of many names that I had to remember. I was meeting hundreds of people that weekend. We were all there for a big convention.

And so it was right after I had finished eating with a group of people, and we got up and shook hands with a few people. He was among them. And then we began to walk throughout the casino.

And he made it a point to keep walking next to me and keep me engaged in conversation. And we just -- you know, by the time we made it around to the big gold lion in front of the lobby, we just -- we had discovered a couple of common interests, and that sort of thing.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Travis and Jodi Arias met way back in 2006 at a convention. And he`s this handsome salesman and motivational speaker, and she`s this beautiful aspiring photographer. And they click. There was this instant connection.

But it was several months later that they officially started going out. And almost immediately, friends became concerned, friends of Travis, saying that this woman came on too strong, too fast, seemed obsessed with Travis.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

ARIAS: He was very uplifting, very uplifting person. He had every -- he knew every one of my buttons. He could bring me up or down, you know, at the drop of a hat. But mostly, he brought me up.

(END VIDEO CLIP)


VELEZ-MITCHELL: They exchanged something like 82,000 e-mails. They talked on the phone a lot. So it was a very intense relationship. And then when they broke up, they didn`t really break up. Their relationship just went underground. It became a toxic secret.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

ARIAS: Our relationship, it was just an average -- I don`t want to save average. Nothing is average with Travis. But any problems that we had, they occurred really right toward the end, and that signaled the end of our relationship. It`s nothing that we continued to dwell on and try to work out.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: What was the one thing that finally you said, This is it?

ARIAS: It was -- it was just a breach of trust.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

JOSTAD: So Jodi Arias and Travis Alexander met in 2006 at a conference, a work conference. And they kept in touch, even though she was living in northern California, he was living in Arizona. They were going to visit each other, once the relationship got more serious, at sort of the halfway point between the two of their homes.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

ARIAS: We hung out throughout the weekend, had a lot of fun, exchanged phone numbers. And it was one of those things where I didn`t expect him to call, but he called me the very next day. And so I was, like, Oh, hi. And you know, we just -- he`s a good conversationalist. He just kept me engaged in conversation constantly. And you know, he wanted to know about me, and people like to talk about themselves. So you know, it was just -- one thing led to another and we became great friends.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

JOSTAD: But you know, Travis Alexander`s friends say it was clear that he didn`t intend to marry Jodi Arias and that he didn`t really see a future in this relationship.


However, his friends and Travis Alexander`s family believed that Jodi Arias did consider this a serious relationship. She at one point moved to Arizona to be closer to him. She converted to the Mormon faith in order to be closer to him. He was a devout Mormon.

And there was a real imbalance there. He apparently didn`t see this going anywhere, and Jodi Arias had big plans for their relationship.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Was there jealousy on the (INAUDIBLE)

ARIAS: I would say, on my end, not so much jealousy, maybe a sense of insecurity. But that`s just me. On his end, sometimes. I don`t think it was warranted, but I took it as a compliment.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: Here`s the kicker. They never really break it off. They continue a sex-only relationship after that. Travis Alexander is clearly dating and pursuing other women, while in contrast, Jodi Arias picks up and moves nearly 300 miles to be closer to Travis Alexander in her bid to win him back.

Not only that, she even converts to Mormonism in an attempt to become Mrs. Travis Alexander.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

GRACE: There are reams of photos of the two of them naked in provocative positions, I guess during sex. Then apparently, the afternoon passes. And then the next thing you know, three or four hours later, there`s suddenly more photos. There are timestamps on the photos in this digi-cam. Of course, it`s gone through the wash cycle, but all cops do is take out the sim card, and there are all the photos.

JOSTAD: This is something that I don`t think I`ve ever heard of in a murder case. There were pictures on that camera of the victim right before his death, and then a picture of him after his death.

GRACE: So several hours pass, and there`s a new set of photos on the digital camera. And the first one is of Travis Alexander naked, again, in the shower. He`s taking a shower.


The next one, whether taken on purpose or inadvertently, is up. Like, there`s movement, and like when you put a Blackberry or an iPhone in your pocketbook and it`s on the camera icon, and it`s taking cameras of the -- taking photos of the inside of your pocket the whole time.

Apparently, after this one shot of him taking a shower, there`s suddenly movement, inadvertent shots taken from this digital camera. The next one takes shots of him dead.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

ARIAS: Well, it`s not -- it`s all public information, but it`s nothing that I`m really comfortable talking about, and it`s nothing that he nor I ever intended to be made public. It`s something that we intended to keep private.

But now that all of this has been thrust under a microscope, everybody knows about it, so part of it -- part of me says why bother trying to skirt around the issue, and the other part of me says, you know, have a little discretion.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Authorities say after the murder, Jodi drives to Utah, where she`s meeting up with a work colleague of Travis`s, a guy that she may have some kind of budding relationship with. And he is very put off by the fact that Jodi is wearing long sleeves. It`s very hot out, and he`s wondering why is she wearing these long sleeves, and then also notices that her hand is bandaged, indicating she may have some cuts underneath that bandage. So very, very suspicious behavior on Jodi`s part.

JOSTAD: We know from the autopsy report that Travis Alexander had numerous cuts and stab wounds all over his body, a gaping wound on his neck.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: And then to find out, you know, it was her -- it made me so sick. Like, how creepy is that, that somebody could kill somebody and then act like she didn`t and act like they had this perfect little relationship and go on her Myspace page and post al that stuff of her and him together. And you know, it was actually her that did it. That`s, to me, sick.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: There are 29 stab wounds. One of them, the most horrific, goes from ear to ear in a big smile across his throat. There`s another stab wound almost directly to the heart, multiple stab wounds on his torso.

There is a gunshot wound clearly taken when he was already down, since Arias is shorter than Alexander. The trajectory path reveals that the shot comes in above the right eyebrow and goes downward and lodges -- there`s no exit wound. It lodges in the left cheek.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

GRACE: Even though Jodi Arias, then 27 years old at the time, was very calm, cool and collected when police first question her about Travis Alexander`s death, DNA told a different story. There was a palm print in the home. The palm matched up to Jodi Arias. And the DNA matched not only Arias but Travis Alexander, as well. It was his blood.

That leads police back to Jodi Arias. They`re convinced she was on the scene of the murder. Her response? She asked police could they wait for her to put on makeup and fix her hair before she leaves her place.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

ARIAS: Well, I spent a lot of time at his house. But because it`s more than just that kind of DNA, there is an explanation for all of that and that will all be made known very soon.

Again, it doesn`t prove that I committed a murder. And I didn`t commit a murder. I didn`t hurt Travis. I would never hurt Travis. I would never harm him physically. I may have hurt him emotionally, and I`ll always regret that. But you know, the explanation for that will all come out soon.

(END VIDEO CLIP)


VELEZ-MITCHELL: Following up on the tip from friends pointing toward Jodi Arias, authorities examine the evidence, and there`s a lot of forensic evidence. There`s blood, there`s hair, there`s a bloody palm print, there`s fingerprints. And guess who the blood matches up to? Jodi Arias. So there is a bloody palm print with not only her blood but Travis`s blood mixed together, and that is one of the smoking guns in this case.

(BEGIN AUDIO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Hello. Can I speak to Jodi, please?

ARIAS: This is Jodi.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Hey, Jodi, this is Detective Steve Flores (ph) from the Mesa, Arizona, Police Department.

ARIAS: Oh, hey. How are you?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Good. I just got a message from my patrol officers that you need to talk to me about something.

ARIAS: Well, I just wanted to offer any assistance that I might have. I was a really good friend of Travis`s and...

(END AUDIO CLIP)

GRACE: It wasn`t long after her initial story to police that she knew nothing about Travis`s death, and in fact, she had not been in touch with him very much, that her cell phone had died and had been dead for 10 hours and she was completely out of touch, that her story changed. Her story morphed into her being at the scene of the murder but that she had nothing to do with it.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

ARIAS: Well, there`s a lot of forensics suggesting that I was, you know, in his house. Of the evidence that they presented to me, I was asked the question, If you were presented this evidence and you were a third party, what would you think? And you know, I need to be honest. The evidence is very compelling. But none of it proves that I committed a murder. None of it proves that I committed a crime. What it does substantiate is what I did tell detectives.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: When police first went to question Jodi Arias, she said, Oh, I wasn`t there. I wasn`t anywhere near the crime scene. I haven`t talked to Travis in a couple of months.
(BEGIN AUDIO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: That was around April that you last saw him, right?

ARIAS: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You haven`t been back in town since then?

ARIAS: No, I haven`t at all.

(END AUDIO CLIP)

GRACE: Her second story to police was that she was there in Travis`s home with him when, suddenly, a man and a woman, unbeknownst to her, in disguise, dressed so she could not make an identification -- she would not be able to identify them in a lineup -- suddenly came in, burst into the home, attacked Travis, murdered him brutally and told her that if she went to the cops, she and her family would get the same. That was her second story.

(BEGIN AUDIO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What have you heard so far?

ARIAS: I heard that he was -- that he passed away and that it was -- I don`t know, I`ve heard all kind of rumors. I heard there was a lot of blood. I heard that his roommates found him, or his friends found him or people were -- I`m sorry, it`s all -- I`m upset.

But I heard that nobody was able to get ahold of him for almost a week, and that was about the last time I spoke to him, too, which is actually why I thought I -- my friends said I should call you anyway and let you know the last time I talked to him.

I used to talk to him quite regularly. I used to live there. I live in northern California now. But after I moved -- I moved a few months ago. And after I moved, we just kept in touch very regularly and kind of fell back a little bit, but cut down to a couple times a week, but I haven`t heard from him. I talked to him on Tuesday night. I looked at my phone records on the Internet to check, and I definitely talked to him on Tuesday night.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

JOSTAD: Jodi Arias gave -- well, is going to give, we believe, yet another version of what really happened the day that Travis Alexander was killed. We know that she first said she hadn`t seen Travis Alexander in a while. Then when confronted with evidence that she was indeed in the home with him around the time he was killed, she then said, you know, No, it was these masked intruders that broke in, tried to kill us both. I barely got away.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

ARIAS: I really don`t remember the day at all. I just remember when I got the phone call. And it was late, 10:30, I think.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Who called you.

ARIAS: A mutual friend of ours.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: And what did he or she say?

ARIAS: He didn`t say much because he didn`t know much. And he just said, Something has happened and I don`t have a lot of details. And I said, Well, what can you tell me? And he, again, I just don`t have a lot of details. And I thought, Well, maybe it`s a mistake. Are you sure? And he said, I`ll let you know when I know more, but you`re the first person I thought to call.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: What was going through your mind?

ARIAS: It was a shock, the feeling of shock and sort of disbelief. And there wasn`t -- it was a real restlessness because I didn`t know. And I felt -- I don`t know. You just don`t know -- until I actually got confirmation of what had happened, that`s when things really began to sink in.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: What did you do once you got more information? What did you do?

ARIAS: It was over the phone, and so I just remained as calm as possible and -- well, I got confirmation from his bishop, who actually confirmed it. And at that point, it was just about me holding it together over the phone and crying as silently as possible while he told me what he knew.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

JOSTAD: Now we believe she`s going to claim that this was actually self-defense, that Travis Alexander was sexually abusive, was essentially someone she was so afraid of that she had to respond with deadly force, and that self-defense -- she was just defending herself. That is how Travis Alexander wound up dead.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: So you had nothing to do with Travis Alexander`s death?

ARIAS: Nothing to do with it.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: He was stabbed some 27 times and shot once in the left cheek. Who could have done this to him?

ARIAS: I don`t know.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Who do you think killed him?

ARIAS: I have no idea.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

GRACE: Now, there are a lot of ways that Jodi Arias could have conceivably explained away why she was at the scene with a dead body. She could have said she happened upon it. She could have said she heard him outside screaming and she came inside. There are a number of things she could have done. But the real clincher in this case is a digital camera, a digi-cam.

(BEGIN AUDIO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: How would you describe your relationship with him?

ARIAS: We dated for -- we dated for, like, five months, and we broke up. And we continued to actually to see each other for quite a bit, you know, right up until I moved.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: When did you guys break up?

ARIAS: We officially broke up June 29th of last year (INAUDIBLE) We, even though we broke up, were no longer boyfriend and girlfriend, we decided to remain friends. But you know, like, I kind of feel embarrassed talking about this, but it was more like (INAUDIBLE) but it wasn`t boyfriend and girlfriend. It was more like, kind of (INAUDIBLE) you know what I mean?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes, OK. So you guys were not, like, romantically together at any time or...

ARIAS: We were intimate, but I wouldn`t say romantic as far as a relationship goes. We were in no way headed towards marriage or talking about anything like that. (INAUDIBLE)

(END AUDIO CLIP)

GRACE: The bed sheets, all of the bedding had been taken off Travis`s bed and put in the washer, along with some clothes. And in the sheets or in his clothes somewhere in that wash machine was a digital camera, and the digital camera -- she basically took her own crime scene photos.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Authorities believe that this was a premeditated murder, that she brought the gun and the knife that was used to kill Travis Alexander, and went there with an agenda because she was furious that he wanted to ultimately end their relationship.

Remember, they had officially broken up, and then they kind of remained friends with benefits. And there are indications that Travis wanted to end that, too. He was going away on a vacation with another woman. And authorities believe Jodi Arias was jealous and was rageful and resentful, and that that is the motive for murder.

GRACE: Another interesting and telling fact about the wounds to the body is that many -- I believe 10 of the stab wounds were to his back. And those wounds alone show that this murder was not self-defense.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

ARIAS: I don`t -- I wouldn`t use obsession. I would say -- I don`t know. I think that when more evidence comes out, it`ll be very telling that it was a two-way street.

And Travis was a wonderful person, but he was also a very persuasive and he was hard to say no to. And it was hard -- you know, he wouldn`t allow me to not answer his text message. If I didn`t respond, he would keep calling and keep calling until I did. And so to me, that wasn`t obsessive behavior on his part, it was just -- I took it as a compliment. He wanted to talk to me, OK, that`s great.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Were you obsessed with him? Those are the allegations they made.

ARIAS: No.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: Now many people, if they were charged with murder, if they were a suspect in a murder, if they were even a person of interest in a murder, would lay low. But not Jodi Arias. She loves the camera and the camera loves her right back.

Within days, she was out and about. She even had dinner with a group of Travis`s friends the night after he`s murdered, and by her own words, it was self-defense. She was there on the scene, stabbed him multiple times, as she says, in self-defense, including 10 stab wounds to the back.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
ARIAS: I don`t know who did or said it first, but I know that some things were said because I was on the road that week. So you know, I think that because, you know, as much as Travis and I told ourselves and everyone that we were just friends, I think that our behavior was not as clandestine as we tried to make it.

So there were times when people would see certain ways we would behave and maybe wonder. I know that he got -- he lamented a lot that he got a lot of grief from his friends about the amount of time that we spent together and...

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Did they not like you?

ARIAS: I don`t know that it was so much that. I think they were more concerned with his future prospects for marriage and where his focus was. And his focus was definitely on that, and marriage is -- you know, he viewed marriage as an important step in his spiritual progression, and I think he took it seriously.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: She`s out as if she doesn`t have a care in the world, out having dinner, laughing and talking. Now, the day after Travis Alexander`s murder, she was observed with cuts on her hands and fingers. At the memorial service, she was observed smiling, almost laughing at his memorial service.

And she has taken to the airwaves and given one interview after the next, vowing that she will not be convicted, that no jury will convict her.

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ARIAS: I know that I`m innocent. God knows I`m innocent. Travis knows I`m innocent. No jury is going to convict me.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Why not?

ARIAS: Because I`m innocent. And you can mark my words on that one. No jury will convict me.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: When a felony occurs, robbery, and a death happens, that`s felony murder. You don`t have to intend that a death occur. In this case, the state is claiming as a second alternate theory felony murder, that Travis Alexander died during the commission of a felony, that being burglary.


Now, you may ask, he let her in. How can that be burglary? Here`s how. She comes in with a gun that, coincidentally, was stolen from her grandparents` home, where she lives, a few days before the murder. She comes into the home armed with a lethal weapon.

Not only that, burglary, by definition, is entering or remaining in a structure. So the fact that she remained in the structure, his home, and a death occurred equals a burglary.

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GRACE: I think that that`s a two-sided coin in that not only is it compelling to the court watcher, the casual *******, all of us on the outside looking in, but it also presents a conundrum.

It`s almost as if the eye is tricking the mind in that you see someone handsome or beautiful. You know they`ve got a great job, a great education, a beautiful home, everything. They`re young. They`re healthy. Yet she is charged with this heinous, this -- in fact, a crime so brutal, it`s akin to a mob hit on Travis Alexander.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Jodi Arias has become a bizarre celebrity behind bars. First of all, when they arrested her, the first thing she says is, Can I please have time to put on my makeup first? So that gives you an indication of her mentality. She has done jailhouse interviews and has actually been photographed putting on her makeup in preparation for these interviews. So she`s very concerned about her appearance.

JOSTAD: Well, Jodi Arias has been pretty productive behind bars. She`s a high school dropout, but actually got her GED. She taught herself Spanish.

GRACE: Jodi Arias has certainly not wasted any time behind bars. Besides apparently having several makeovers, she has continued her education. She has learned Spanish. She has learned sign language.

And she has taken to song. As a matter of fact, Jodi Arias won the "American Idol" contest, the "American Idol Behind Bars" contest, with a moving rendition of "Oh, Night Divine." And the reward for that, the award was a turkey dinner for her and her cellmates. And thankfully, it was captured on video.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

ARIAS: (SINGING) Oh, holy night, the stars are brightly shining. It is the night of our dear savior`s birth. Long lay the world in sin and error pining `til he appeared and the soul felt its worth. A thrill of hope, the weary world rejoices, for yonder breaks a new and glorious morn. Fall on your knees! Oh, hear the angel voices! Oh, night divine, oh, night when Christ was born, oh, night divine, oh, night, oh, night divine...

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GRACE: As to Travis Alexander, who seemed to be the all-American good guy, the defense is painting him as a -- an almost demented control freak, abusive.

So it seems as if everything we see on the surface belies the underside, the truth of what each side is alleging. The only issue is who`s telling the truth? Or are they both telling the truth?

END

Hi Monkeys!!! It's been a long time since I posted....but wanted to know if anyone is watching this trial. She reminds me so much of CA! Long dark hair, high school drop out, photography as a hobby...and certainly the same sick mind!  Hope you're all doing well :)

 ::HelloKitty:: Hi!
Thanks MuffyBee for the updates!!!

You're welcome flamom.  ::bee::

I'm watching the trial right now on TruTv In Session. Don't get where the defense is trying to go, with wound direction/blood/lack of blood, since she's already finally admitted to doing all of it.

You've given an interesting observation mgoblue, in comparing Jodi to Casey Anthony.  I've not been "watching" the trial, but I'm following it here and there in the news.  It's just my opinion, but I think a lot of folks know the name "Jodi Arias" and not so much the name of the victim "Travis Alexander".  And that's part of the reason I included "Jodi Arias" in the subject line when I made the thread. Some folks might not have recognized the case if I hadn't included it.   Jodi's been given a lot of attention in the media, like Casey Anthony. I think many of us got really tired of Casey Anthony getting so much attention when it was her tiny victim Caylee that should have been in the forefront.  JMHO 

Hi everyone I was a commentator yesterday as a DV advocate from the NDVR (Registry). I read everything I could and in my humble opinion and not trying to rush to judgement I explained I felt the one who was abused and actually murdered when he tried to leave was the victim.

I have a 5" red binder full of evidence of abuse for my daughter. This woman has nothing nut lies and numerous stories.

It's such a sad and OVERKILL case.

Muffy I agree she seems to have taken cues from Casey Anthony.

BBM 

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JANE VELEZ-MITCHELL

Investigation on Ohio Rape Case Still Ongoing; Sex and Lies Exposed in Arias Trial

Aired January 7, 2013 - 19:00   ET

THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.

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And Jodi Arias on trial. Is there a contest to see which side can shock jurors the most? As prosecutors unleash a barrage of gruesome crime photos, the beautiful defendant`s attorneys try to smear the victim, Travis Alexander. Will jurors see him as a good Mormon? A decent man trying to find his way? Or a young man interested in kinky sex with a girl he never intended to marry?
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Stay right there as we different into arias on the other side of the break.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: -- and began to stab him when he was in that defenseless, sitting position.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Travis grabbed her and spun her around. Afraid that he was going to hurt her Jodi was actually relieved when all he did was bend her over the desk.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You haven`t been back in town.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Photographs from a digital camera that told a different story.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I had an immediate suspicion that it was Jodi who had done this.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: There was a print left on the wall in blood that led investigators to Jodi Arias.

JODI ARIAS, ON TRIAL FOR MURDER OF TRAVIS ALEXANDER: I would be (inaudible) right now if I had to answer to God for such a heinous crime.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: In reality Jodi was Travis` dirty little secret.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

JANE VELEZ-MITCHELL, HLN HOST: Tonight, brace yourself, because the shock factor battle in the Jodi Arias murder trial is gearing up for another round tomorrow as we get ready to go back into Jodi Arias` courtroom tomorrow. And we will bring it all to you.

These are the grisly and graphic crime scene photos that, well, you got to wonder, are they keeping jurors up at night? The beautiful 32-year-old photographer is accused of stabbing her ex-boyfriend Travis Alexander 29 times, slitting his throat from ear to ear and shooting him in the face.

Now, listen to Jodi`s police interview, which she gave by calling cops, less than 24 hours after Travis` body was found. And as you listen, consider that she ultimately admitted yes, I did kill him, but she argues it was self-defense. So listen to her lie.

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ARIAS: Well, I just wanted to offer any assistance. I was a really good friend of Travis`. I heard that he was -- that he passed away, and that it was -- I don`t know. I`ve heard all kinds of rumors. I heard there was a lot of blood.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes, well, she knows because she was there. Take a look at this crime scene photo. You might have to drop that graphic on the bottom to really get a look at it. It is the sink. Ok. This is the sink where prosecutors believe, after being stabbed, Travis staggers up to the sink in his own Mesa, Arizona home and he`s bleeding over the sink for considerable amount of time. This is just one of many, many graphic crime scene photos. There it is again -- the sink.

And then, after seeing that, this is a photo of the victim himself, Travis Alexander, dead in the shower. Ok? So, there`s a shock factor there, but the defense has its own shock factor -- shocking tidbits. They are painting Travis as a hypocritical man, playing a virginal Mormon by day but then having kinky sex with Jodi by night implying that he was some sort of sexual deviant. Of course he`s not here to defend himself.

We have to warn you the language is graphic that`s been used in court. But it is what has been said in open court so listen to this.

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JENNIFER WILLMOTT, ATTORNEY FOR JODI ARIAS: As Travis would explain to Jodi, oral sex really isn`t as much of a sin for him as vaginal sex. And so he was able to convince her to give him oral sex. And later in their relationship, Travis would tell her that anal sex really isn`t much of a sin compared to vaginal sex. And so he was able to persuade her to allow him to have anal sex with her.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: What do you think about this case? Call me 1-877-JVM- SAYS, 1-877-586-7297. Straight out to my very special guest Troy Williams, with KRCL Radio. What`s fascinating about you is that you were raised as a Mormon and you can give us insights into this religion.

And we do this with respect to religion. We didn`t bring it up. It`s been repeatedly mentioned throughout the trial so far from opening statements, into cross-examination, and direct examination. So my basic question to you is, is there -- this is a 30-year-old man, who died a very violent death. He was not married. And both the prosecution and the defense acknowledge he was having sex with Jodi Arias. In fact there were photographs of them in provocative sexual poses, in a camera that also shows him dead and dying.

So, my question to you is, is there an inherent conflict for these young men who are religious, where they`re not married but yet they`re still trying to maintain this ideal of no premarital sex? Sometimes into their 30s?

TROY WILLIAMS, KRCL RADIO: That`s right. The second prophet of the church Brigham Young famously said that any single man not married by the age of 27 is a menace to society. Now, of course, that`s kind of a folk story. But we tell it a lot here in Utah. So you can see that the kind of pressures the young people are on -- under to get married and to get married fast.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: But he didn`t get married. He didn`t get married fast.

WILLIAMS: That`s right.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: So, what happens then?

WILLIAMS: Well --

VELEZ-MITCHELL: In other words -- yes, go ahead.

WILLIAMS: This is where it becomes very difficult, because the libidinal drive is so natural, it`s so healthy, it`s so ordinary. And yet for people who are fighting it, fighting to resisting the temptation for masturbation; resisting, you know, any kind of sexual contact, we crave human sexual intimacy.

And what happens, as young Mormons who are fighting that, is that we -- we see it as -- as the adversary, Satan, tempting us, that these carnal desires are bad, something to be repressed, something to be fought against. And that -- when you repress those very natural, beautiful libidinal energies, they often pop out in some very unflattering ways.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, it`s a very interesting analysis. And I thank you for that. The lead investigator revealed some sexually explicit and degrading messages that Travis sent Jodi when they were having an argument. Now we`ve got to warn you the wording is graphic but this is what was said in open court.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Do you remember seeing e-mails in which Mr. Alexander referred to Miss Arias as a quote (EXPLETIVE DELETED)?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Objection -- hearsay.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: As a slut?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: As a whore?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Beth Karas, the shock factor in this case has been extraordinary. Discuss -- you`ve been in court -- discuss the two phrases that came out that were especially explicit, one involved a sex toy and the other one involved Jodi Arias` private areas. What exactly was said? And what is the strategy behind this graphic language?

BETH KARAS, CORRESPONDENT, TRUTV: Do you want me, Jane, to say what you bleeped out?

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes. I mean you can say --

KARAS: Ok.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: You were in court. You heard it. I didn`t. I wasn`t in court -- you were the one in court so --

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KARAS: Ok, all right.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Whatever you heard, you can tell me.

KARAS: Ok. This was the defense attorney cross-examining the lead investigator. The case agent Detective Flores, who will be back more in the case; this was a first time on the stand. And the defense is trying to show that Travis Alexander was very disparaging and degrading toward Jodi Arias, and just held her in the lowest esteem. So, he said to her once, although, one might argue, he meant it in a nice way, that she was a "three-hole wonder". But then he also, in a different -- at a different time, called her a whore and a slut.

Well, the prosecution got up, on redirect, angry that this image is out there, it seems, because he was very fired up, Juan Martinez, and he said, let`s put this in context, with the "whore" and the "slut" comment, and he -- he had Flores read an instant message between them where Travis says to her, sometimes he thinks "I was little more than a dildo with a heartbeat to you."

In other words, she was the one who always wanted to have sex. She -- that is what she was obsessed with and she was obsessed with him. It wasn`t that he was treating her so badly. It was quite -- on the contrary, she wanted him, when he didn`t want her.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: And the reason why this is important is this is the heart of the case. You can`t redact the most important aspects of the case, the ones that everybody is talking about, because they reveal specifically what happens behind closed doors. And the courtroom is one of the only venues in society where we hear what`s really going on. Things that sometimes people don`t tell their doctors or their pastors or their psychiatrists and yet we hear it in open court and we hope that it informs our own lives.

More on the other side.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: On June 9th, 2008, Travis Alexander`s friends discovered his decomposing body in the shower of his master bathroom.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: A friend of ours is dead in his bedroom. We hadn`t heard from him for awhile. We think he`s dead.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: An unbelievable first couple of days in the Jodi Arias trial. Court resumes tomorrow and we here on this show at 7:00 p.m. Eastern are all over this trial to the very end.

Stay here, join me every night for complete coverage. I`ll have producers and reporters on the ground inside the courtroom to bring you the very latest. And we`ll have more on the other side of the break.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The first thing you notice is all this blood just outside the hallway here on the carpet. Take a look at the map again. Here is the blood that you just saw and this is the hallway that leads down to the bathroom. This is where it starts.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: Such a bloody crime scene. And take a look at that. We`re going to see more of this tomorrow. They`re expecting the medical examiner on the stand. And the prosecution is inundating the jurors with images of a very, very bloody and extended crime.

This young man, this Travis Alexander, 30 years old, motivational speaker, successful salesman, he did not die a quick death. This was a long, slow, agonizing torture. Now the defense claims that Jodi Arias killed Travis in self-defense because he had been psychologically abusing her and sexually manipulating her. Listen to one episode that the defense described.

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WILLMOTT: She knew that the one thing that calms his temper the quickest is sex. So as she`s telling him it`s ok, I`ll fix it, don`t worry, Travis grabbed her and spun her around. Afraid that he was going to hurt her, Jodi was actually relieved when all he did was bend her over the desk.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: So Rene Sandler, criminal defense attorney, the defense is basically smearing the victim, blaming the victim, which is making the family of the victim very angry as well as his many supporters. She sort of claims, without going into specifics about the fight, that oh, she dropped his new camera, there`s the camera from the crime scene photos, and he got angry with her.

But that`s pretty much it. There`s really no detail there. A lot of people, considering that she lied, first said she wasn`t there, then she said oh, it was a home invasion by two strangers, and now is admitting she did it, but says it was self-defense, they`re thinking that this self- defense is a crock and it`s not going to work. What say you Rene Sandler?

RENE SANDLER, CRIMINAL DEFENSE ATTORNEY: What I say, Jane -- first of all, thanks for having me on the show -- is that this is self-defense, absolute self-defense. The very fact that you can argue to support a first degree premeditated intentional murder are the facts to support self-defense.

I would disagree about smearing the victim. This relationship is on trial where you have a victim that led essentially a dual life. Very, very relevant to motive, to the understanding the relationship, the relationship is on trial here.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, Jon Leiberman, if everyone who was a hypocrite could -- we would have a lot of people whose throats are slashed and who are shot and who are stabbed 29 times, if hypocrisy entitles somebody -- just because somebody is a hypocrite doesn`t mean they have to die a violent death. We`re all hypocrites.

Let any of us stand up and say I`ve never done something that is in opposition to something I`ve said. I certainly can`t say that.

JON LEIBERMAN, HLN CONTRIBUTOR: Yes. I just couldn`t disagree more with her, Jane. I`ve got to tell you, attacking the victim`s credibility. The sex is a smokescreen. There`s no way to get from all of this sex talk to self-defense. There just -- there just isn`t.

And there`s so much physical evidence in this case, there`s just so much piling up in this case, that first of all, if you`re going to talk about credibility, Jodi Arias has zero credibility. She changed her story three, pushing four, times. So there`s no way to go after the victim`s credibility when this woman who`s on trial for murder has no credibility herself. And the sex I`m telling you is just a smokescreen.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: All right. Rene?

SANDLER: What about the crime scene? We have used the word stabbed, 27 to 29 stab wounds.

LEIBERMAN: Is that self-defense? And then shooting him?

SANDLER: It is absolutely.

LEIBERMAN: At close range?

SANDLER: It is absolutely. Are those stab wounds or slash wounds? Are they punctures? Are they superficial? What are they? What is the characteristic of each of those 27 wounds? You can`t have a conclusory opinion here that it was murder. First degree premeditated murder. Absolutely not.

LEIBERMAN: She had no defensive wounds. Supposedly she was a tough woman, she had no defensive wounds on her? This was --

SANDLER: You don`t know that. You don`t know that.

LEIBERMAN: -- absolutely not self-defense.

SANDLER: You absolutely can`t make that statement.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, there is a factor here. He`s a much bigger guy than she is. She`s very petite. So, that could be one problem that the prosecution might have to explain.

Let`s go to the phone lines. Carol, Indiana, your question or thought, Carol, Indiana.

CAROL, INDIANA (via telephone): I`ve got a question and a thought, Jane. How are you? And thank you for taking my call.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: You`re very welcome.

CAROL: Ok. It was said in Court TV today that she was living with this guy and his son. They had a house together. When he was not being her boss anymore, and his job downsized that`s how she got to this convention. Now Travis is very outgoing, very friendly, and probably just walked up to her and just said Hi. I`ve done that.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Ok, and Carol what you`re referring to is that Jodi Arias had a relationship with an executive at a spa, I believe, before she met Travis Alexander. And that executive had a child. And they had, like I think a four-year relationship that was sort of in the normal range. And that then she sort of drifted away from him and met Travis Alexander. So the question is, is she bouncing from guy to guy, looking for somebody who`s going to give her something? We`ll see.

More on the other side.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

WILMOTT: Jodi Arias killed Travis Alexander. There is no question about it. The million dollar question is what would have forced her to do it?

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well this Jodi Arias case Arias case gets started up tomorrow. The medical examiner expected to take the stand and talk about these 29 stab wounds. You just heard the defense attorney say, oh, well maybe they`re just scratch marks. Well, we`re going to hear from the medical examiner.

We know that she killed him, so they can`t have been little scratch marks, at least not all of them. There was one right through the heart.

More on the other side.

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ARIAS: (inaudible) And that we did with the intention of -- that wasn`t a one-time incident. I mean, there were many times where, you know --

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You take pictures.

ARIAS: Yes, pictures, whatever, any kind of media, and it was deleted.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Travis was 30 years old when the woman you just heard from, Jodi Arias, killed him. And Travis was a Mormon. In the Mormon faith it is ideal to marry well before the age of 30. Listen to what the victim, Travis Alexander, himself, said during a speech about being single. This is on YouTube.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

TRAVIS ALEXANDER, MURDER VICTIM: The first thing I would hear a lot of is, by the way, he`s single. And, that`s right, I am. Ladies, come get me.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: And you can see how friends consider him so charming and said he was such a great speaker and a wonderful guy. A girl he dated after Jodi Arias wrote in her blog that Travis was known as, quote, the old guy in the ward. In the Mormon religion there were wards where people gather or based on -- I`m not sure exactly how the wards worked. But he was a 30-year-old man with a normal sex drive, but that sex drive was in direct conflict with his faith.

I want to go to Pastor Ed Young, pastor of the Fellowship Church and co- author of "Sex-periment". This isn`t just the Mormon faith, Catholicism, preaches against sex before marriage, premarital sex, a lot of religions do. In this day and age where we`re not living in isolated rural areas where we don`t -- we`re living in an era where we can see everything, the most shocking, x-rated stuff right on this little thing we hold in our hands. How do people of faith reconcile their sexual urges with these church teachings?

PASTOR ED YOUNG, FELLOWSHIP CHURCH: Well, the deal is it`s not that we don`t think about sex. We don`t think deeply enough about it. And God made it for greatness. We shouldn`t feel guilty. But God says use the content of sex within the Context which is marriage. And I know scores and scores of people who abstain until marriage whether they`re 20-something, 30-something, 40-something and they have great sex lives.

So I think it`s kind of ridiculous to go, hey, I can`t control myself. I`m just a dog in heat. I`m a spawning salmon. I`ve got to do that. I give human beings more credit than that.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, but by the same token I heard a psychologist say, and it made a lot of sense to me, that the intellect is a very low defense against sexual urges, and that essentially your mind will begin rationalizing and justifying the sex because the biology is pushing you.

It`s the same reason why abstinence only programs don`t work very well. We`ve seen that time and time again where best of intentions but, oops, suddenly the young lady is pregnant because she is, quote/unquote, abstaining.

Brenda, Pennsylvania, quickly, your question or thought. Brenda?

BRENDA, PENNSYLVANIA (via telephone): I would like to know about her defense counsel. Is he private counsel? Is he court appointed? My experience with court appointed is they don`t do anything for you.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Ok. On the other side of the break I believe that these are public defenders. We`re going to have our own Beth Karas answering that question.

Stay right there. We`ll be back.

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(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

MARIE HALL, VICTIM`S FRIEND: Even a few weeks before, like before we went, again I told him Travis maybe you should take somebody else to Cancun with you, and there wasn`t anyone else that he wanted to take.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: That was the Mormon woman that Travis Alexander was pursuing, wanted to take on vacation. And at the same time, of course, he`s having a secret sexual relationship with Jodi Arias, at least on the last day of his life he was.

Beth Karas, what about Jodi`s attorneys? Are they public defenders or private?

KARAS: No, they are private attorneys but the taxpayers are paying for them because they`re court-appointed. She doesn`t have any money. She did have public defenders but they`re off the case now.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: All right. Wendy Walsh, psychologist, your thoughts briefly on this whole issue of premarital sex.

WENDY WALSH, PSYCHOLOGIST: I think that -- you know, to think that sex is urgent is a crazy idea. Yes, people can withhold, even young men, Jane. So I think worrying about, you know, did he have repression that was suddenly erupting? Sex isn`t the issue here. It`s murder, Jane, and I believe she murdered him.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: I agree with you 100 percent. I think it`s a distraction, but as we have seen in other high-profile cases, they`re not like ordinary cases. And sometimes when the jury is distracted and when the jury is confused, whoops, reasonable doubt. We don`t know.

We`re all over this tomorrow -- big day in court. Join us for that.

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NANCY GRACE

The Steubenville Rape; Bombshell Beauty Murder Trial

Aired January 7, 2013 - 20:00:00   ET

THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.


NANCY GRACE, HOST: Breaking news tonight, Mesa, Arizona. They meet at a conference in Vegas and fall hard for each other, but when the flame burns out and they break up, she moves 300 miles to pursue him, even converting to Mormonism to get her man. Then 30-year-old Travis Alexander`s dead body found slumped over in the shower of his five-bedroom luxury home, shot, stabbed 29 times and beaten to death, the violence so brutal, it resembles a mob hit.

Bombshell tonight. The Jodi Arias jury needs an extra day off after seeing horrific digital camera photos actually snapped during the grisly murder, including a blood-drenched crime scene, detailing the very last moments of Alexander`s life. This as bizarre details emerge about Arias and Alexander`s sex lives, as Arias cries buckets in front of the jury.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The dramatic trial that we`ve been covering of the woman charged with the brutal murder of her ex-boyfriend.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The state of Arizona versus Jodi Ann (ph) Arias.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: "Travis, what can I say to you that I haven`t already said? I am so grateful for the endless hours of conversation and the amazing experiences we`ve shared."

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She had sex with him to put him into a powerless state.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Rewarded that love of Travis (INAUDIBLE) Alexander by sticking a knife in his chest.

JODI ARIAS, CHARGED WITH MURDER: I heard that he was -- he passed away and that it was -- I don`t know. I heard all kinds of rumors. I heard there was a lot of blood.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Covered in blood, like (INAUDIBLE) lots of blood pooling and smears.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Now her story is she killed Travis in self-defense.

ARIAS: He works out really, really hard. He`s so strong.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Jodi had to make a choice. She would either live or she would die.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: With 29 stab wounds?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: But then Jodi...

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: Good evening. I`m Nancy Grace. I want to thank you for being with us.

Bombshell tonight. The Jodi Arias jury needs an extra day off after seeing horrific digital camera photos actually snapped during the grisly murder, including a blood-drenched crime scene, detailing the very last moments of Travis Alexander`s life. This as bizarre details emerge about Arias and Alexander`s sex lives, as Arias insists on crying buckets in front of the jury.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And that was around April that you last saw him, right?

JODI ARIAS, ACCUSED OF KILLING BOYFRIEND TRAVIS ALEXANDER: Early April.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You haven`t -- you haven`t been back in town since then?

ARIAS: No, I haven`t at all.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: But you have physically been here since you left?

ARIAS: Since I moved, no, I haven`t.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Jodi now admits that was a lie.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: On that horrible day, Jodi believed that Travis was going to kill her. He threatened to kill her.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Was it because of self-defense? There`s no way in hell it was. And not one person that knows Travis has come out and said, yes, he was -- he was that person.

NANCY GRACE, HLN HOST: She is claiming that he was verbally abusive. The first time we hear any physical abuse claim by her is the incident where she slashes him, a smiley face slash, from ear to ear.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Were you here in town or were you --

ARIAS: I was in Yreka, California.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: About 12 hours after Travis was murdered, she was up here in Utah and out to eat with us.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: We are live and taking your calls.

Jodi Arias crying buckets in court in front of a jury. But I noticed -- out to you, Beth Karas, legal correspondent, "In Session," joining us there on the scene, that when she was speaking to police, one of her several stories she gave or when she talked on "Inside Edition" or "48 Hours" she never cried during that. But she was in front of this jury she`s really the -- she`s a sob sister.

BETH KARAS, LEGAL CORRESPONDENT, IN SESSION: Good point, Nancy. I`m not aware of her showing emotion like that unless it`s in court, and she started crying right with the opening statements. I suspect that she`ll be emotion almost every day.

GRACE: You know, Jean Casarez, legal correspondent, also "In Session," the medical examiner poised to take the stand, and it`s perfectly set up because the last testimony the jury hears is from a crime scene tech. We`re going to hear a little more from her. But the crime scene tech is laying out where the bloody fingerprints were, where the blood spatter was, and the sequence of events that forensically they can determine. The medical examiner is going to shore all that up.

JEAN CASAREZ, LEGAL CORRESPONDENT, "IN SESSION": That`s right. And he`s - - it`s going to take a long time, too, because there were so many wounds and he is going to go through all of the stab wounds, where they were, and then probably recant what we heard in opening statements of --

GRACE: Good lord. Jean, Jean, look at your monitor. Are you seeing this?

CASAREZ: I am, Nancy.

GRACE: Are you seeing -- good lord. And that`s the shell casing right there. The -- I believe it was a .22 or a .25 caliber, was lodged in his - - went in through the right -- above the eyebrow, landed and lodged into the left cheek, showing he was already down at the time. And this.

Beth Karas, walk me through how they think the order of the attack went.

KARAS: OK. They`re about the same height, Jodi and Travis. And so she had to get him -- but he`s much stronger -- in a vulnerable position. She was taking photos of him naked in the shower, from the waist up, but then the final photo she took of him, he`s crouched down in the shower. It`s not a very revealing photo but it was displayed to the jury. And once he`s in that vulnerable position crouched down --

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GRACE: Beth, Beth, we`re showing one of those right now. Hold on, Beth. Hold on, Beth. I know you can`t see this, right there in front of the courthouse.

KARAS: Yes.

GRACE: But right now we`re showing part of his body in the shower crumpled up in the foot of the shower. There are others that we`re not going to show. They`re extremely grizzly.

Go ahead as to the order of the attack, Beth.

KARAS: OK. So once she has him down and she takes a photo, she stabbed him in the heart. That is what the prosecutor said in his opening statement. But it was a fatal wound but not immediately fatal, so he`s fighting with her. He has wounds on his hands that look as though he has grabbed the blade of the knife and then there`s some, perhaps a struggle, there`s blood all around the bathroom. He was in the shower stall.

There`s a tub then there`s a little toilet area and there`s blood all around there. And then across from the tub is sink, there`s a right and a left sink. And at the right sink the prosecutor said he stood over that sink. And now we do have photos of that bloody sink and he`s dripping into the sink. He`s probably spitting. He`s being stabbed at that point and then he crawls down the hall, or walks down the hall, collapses and she slit his throat.

You know, one thing I don`t understand, Matt Zarrell, is why Jodi Arias, the defendant on trial for murdering -- stabbing 29 times, shooting, beating her boyfriend. Here is the reality. I`ll tell you what happened, Matt Zarrell. She comes over, uninvited, I think. They have sex all day. They have sex all night. Then he tells her, yes, I`m not canceling my trip to Cancun with the other woman and she went off.

I mean, it`s really not any more complicated than that in my mind. But this is what I don`t understand, Matt Zarrell, why are they referring to Jodi Arias as his dirty little secret? What`s secret about Jodi Arias? I don`t understand that.

MATT ZARRELL, NANCY GRACE STAFFER, COVERING STORY: Well, Nancy, the big secret was that they were having sex because, according to the Book of Mormon, they are not allowed to have sex until they are married. So because of --

(CROSSTALK)

GRACE: Whoa, whoa. So the big secret is they had sex? That`s the secret? That`s the big secret?

ZARRELL: Is that they were having a sexual relationship and, meanwhile, while they were having a sexual relationship, he in public could date good Mormon women as opposed to Jodi Arias who was, as the defense put it, his dirty little secret.

GRACE: Well, wait a minute. Wait a minute. Jean Casarez, didn`t she become a Mormon? As a matter of fact, didn`t Travis Alexander actually baptize her in the Mormon faith? I don`t know how that works. But --

CASAREZ: He introduced her to Mormonism. He had missionaries go to her home and he baptized her. You better believe it. That was right at the beginning.

GRACE: OK. Now back to you, Matt Zarrell. What`s this business about him convincing her that vaginal sex was a sin but anal and oral sex is not a sin?

ZARRELL: Well, what the defense said in their opening statement --

GRACE: I never heard anything like that in the Book of Mormon.

ZARRELL: Well, what the defense said in their opening statement is they claim that Travis would explain to Arias that all sex was not as much of a sin as vaginal sex so he convinced her to have oral sex. He used the same mode for anal sex telling her it wasn`t viewed as much of a sin in the church and that way he was able to convince her to perform those sex acts.

GRACE: OK. Hold on just a moment. Wait. The defense is trying to claim, are they not, Beth Karas, that he treated her like a sex slave? But she was the one, after they broke up, that moved about 300 miles to try to get him back.

KARAS: Absolutely. You`re right. That is what they`re trying to say and she did move after they broke up. She eventually left and moved to Yreka, California, 1,000 miles away. And it is from 1,000 miles away that she drove heading there two days before killing him. So if he was an abuser, the defense needs to explain why she drove 1,000 miles to visit her abuser.

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ARIAS: I came over and I cleaned his house a lot. He sort -- he paid me a little bit every month to keep his house nice and clean, sort of like a housekeeper.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Do you remember seeing an e-mail from Mr. Alexander to Miss Arias where he provides her a picture of the French maid outfit that he would like her to don when she cleans his apartment or his home, excuse me?

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: If every man who dreams of somebody wearing a French maid costume committed a crime, there`d be no men left. They`d all be in jail right now.

I want to go out to a special guest joining me right now live at the courthouse. Taylor Searle, who`s a very dear friend of Travis Alexander`s.

Mr. Searle, thank you for being with us. You know, I`m a crime victim. I thought I knew all about representing criminals until I had children, a boy and a girl, and I cannot even imagine all the love, the time, the energy, the money, the backbreaking effort to raise Travis Alexander into a fine young man. I mean, he was handsome, he was a motivational speaker, he was a hard worker, he was getting successful, and then here comes Arias.

Did you know Arias before the murder?

TAYLOR SEARLE, CLOSE FRIEND OF MURDER VICTIM, TRAVIS ALEXANDER: Yes, I had met her a few times.

GRACE: In what context? How did you meet her and what was your impression?

SEARLE: The first time I met her was at Travis` house actually. He had a group of people over and we were making cookies together. And I remember being pretty put off by her because she seemed very possessive of Travis and possessive of his house. And it was the first time I had met her. And as one of his bros I had assumed that I would have known if there was someone that should lay claim to his house and his time, but -- so I didn`t really like her because she seemed super possessive and --

GRACE: Like what? What did she do?

SEARLE: Because that was my first thought.

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GRACE: To be possessive? What did she do to give you that impression?

SEARLE: She -- I had been his former roommate. I had lived there for a while and had been there a lot and spent lots of time with him. And when I walked in it was kind of like, hi, I`m Jodi, welcome to my home, kind of a feeling. I don`t remember the exact words, but that`s kind of the gist of what she said. And my thought was, who are you? I`ve never met you.

GRACE: You know what, I get it. I get it because I spoke at length with another of Travis` friends and they said basically our mind was totally open, but after we spent time with her we let him know we want to see him but don`t bring Arias along.

I`m just trying to figure out how she got it over on Alexander that she could actually kill him. She obviously was not his physical match and, also, all this -- this is about treating her like a sex slave. He obviously wanted to marry within his religion. And I get it. That`s one of the top 10 things that married couples fight about. Religion. How are you going to raise your children?

I don`t know enough about the Mormon religion to understand all this. What`s this business he`s telling her that vaginal sex is a sin but anal and oral sex is not a sin?

SEARLE: Well, in the -- in the Mormon religion, especially when you graduate high school and start to find people to court, the religion`s pretty strict about not having sex until marriage. And so there`s a lot of room for people to try to find gray areas so that they can explore sexuality with whoever they`re dating without actually breaking the rules, and, I mean, the religion really doesn`t say, oh, that`s OK and this is sex and that`s not sex, and it`s kind of open to everyone to try to find rationalization. To do whatever they want. No one is going to defend his rationale but everyone has been there before, everyone has tried to find a line that they won`t cross or will cross. Trying to --

(CROSSTALK)

GRACE: Well, are you saying that -- is that true? Is what she said is true? Because I find it so hard to believe that a guy would say that --

SEARLE: It`s definitely not true that --

GRACE: -- and that somebody would actually believe it.

SEARLE: Well, and I don`t know the context of where he said that or how.

GRACE: Or if?

SEARLE: I could imagine him saying that as a joke, I could imagine him seeing it serious. Or if. I mean, everything she says seems to be a lie. But I mean it`s completely imaginable that every Mormon guy has those same questions of what`s OK and what`s not OK, trying to follow the religious beliefs.

GRACE: Question, Taylor. Were you in close contact with Travis when he found out, for instance, that his bank account and his Facebook had been hacked into? His bank account was hacked into by Jodi Arias. I think that`s out there. That`s not even -- they haven`t even contended that that`s not true, contested it in court. I mean, that`s pretty damning.

SEARLE: Well, Travis is --

GRACE: I don`t know that I would even let her --

(CROSSTALK)

SEARLE: Well, Travis has -- he had open arms to everyone. Everyone was his friend. And he never assumed that someone would try to take advantage of him. And when he had found that she had stolen journals, slashed tires, broken into Facebook, bank accounts, all that, it was just like him to try to give more chances to be a good friend to him or to forgive and forget or -- and it just seems that she was the wrong person to be that way with.

GRACE: Did you ever have an inkling or a premonition or a fear that she could become violent with Travis?

SEARLE: You could call it premonition if you want, but the rationale thought -- the rationale mind never wants to assume something like this could actually happen. So I doubt I actually thought that she would hurt him, but I did mention to him at one point right before he was killed that he -- I mean, I asked him if he should be afraid of her, that she might try to hurt him because of the escalation.

GRACE: Wow. What did he say?

SEARLE: I mean, I`m sure he just brushed it off. I don`t remember the exact words. It was just like, she`s harmless.

GRACE: OK.

SEARLE: What`s she going to do?

GRACE: Unleash the lawyers. Randy Kessler, Atlanta, Joe Lawless, New York.

All right, Kessler, what`s your defense?

RANDY KESSLER, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Well, Nancy, a lot of --

(CROSSTALK)

JOE LAWLESS, DEFENSE ATTORNEY, AUTHOR OF "PROSECUTORIAL MISCONDUCT": Go ahead, Randy.

KESSLER: Look, she might be accused of being a liar, a cryer, overconfident the jury is not going to convict her. But the problem is going to be if she testifies. If she doesn`t testify, they still have the burden of proof and they don`t have it yet locked up. She`s a bad person, is she a murderer? That`s a lot to prove.

GRACE: OK --

LAWLESS: A lot of this goes to the question of state of mind.

GRACE: Joe Lawless, I think that the DNA evidence, her bloody palm print on the scene and her taking digital camera photos of herself having sex with him about a couple of minutes before he`s dead pretty much sums it up that she did it.

LAWLESS: Well, it shows she did it, Nancy, but you don`t know the degree of the crime. First-degree murder, involuntary manslaughter. I don`t know if she`s been examined by a psychiatrist yet. There`s no question she killed him. The question is going to be the when, the why and the how, and that`s something the evidence is going to have to show. The rest of this stuff is garbage. It`s going to be the forensics and the psychiatric that`s going to determine the degree of guilt.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

GRACE: We are taking your calls. Lori, California. Hi, Lori, what`s your question?

LORI, CALLER FROM CALIFORNIA: Hi. First, let me say, Nancy, that I think you`re an awesome lady for what you do.

GRACE: Thank you.

LORI: Very much, I mean that a lot. My question is, do you know anything about her past relationships or her ex-boyfriends? Was she stalking them? Did she have --

GRACE: You know what, Lori, I`ve been wondering the same thing, because, you know, there`s just got to be another guy in her background that she stalked.

What do we know, Jean Casarez?

CASAREZ: We know through opening statements that she was in a relationship when she met Travis Alexander. They had been going together for four years. They actually were living together. They had actually together made a down payment on a home, and once she met Travis, then she broke it off with that guy. But it seems that it was a normal relationship.

GRACE: To you, Dr. Leslie Austin, psychotherapist, New York.
Dr. Leslie, it`s hard for me to believe that if he was as awful as she says he was, she moves away, then she -- they break up. She moves 300 miles to get back to him?

DR. LESLIE AUSTIN, PSYCHOTHERAPIST: Right. You know, there is battered woman syndrome, Stockholm`s syndrome. All that`s true, except that her behaviors here don`t fit those profiles. All the evidence that you`re listing about her behavior show that she had choice and volition, and I don`t think her crying in the courtroom is going to help her one bit, because ultimately the jury will see through that.

GRACE: And to you, Woody Tripp, former police commander. Woody, how hard is it for a woman to actually stab a guy to death? A lot of people say that`s physically impossible, but not if you catch then unawares. I mean, about two minutes before the stabbing goes down literally two minutes, he`s in the shower, taking a shower. The next thing you know, he`s dead.

WOODROW TRIPP, FORMER POLICE COMMANDER, POLYGRAPH EXPERT: Well, Nancy, if you couple the intense anger, when you have someone stabbed over 20 times and shot, there is an anger there that was unleashed. And when you couple that with the surprise -- you know, we had an Atlanta police lieutenant back in the early `90s, and you may recall this, coming out of the shower, very significant, very similar.

And his wife literally shot him as she came out, racked him up in the shower curtain and ultimately dumped him in a lake. And again, he was about to leave her. This appears from the situation that she definitely had an anger and I think that`s where it was coming from. It was over, and she didn`t want it to be.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Now you say intimate, does that include like a sexual relationship with him?

ARIAS: Yes. Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Jodi`s attorneys argued Travis Alexander, a devout Mormon, was actually --

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: Back to a very dear friend of Travis Alexander`s, Taylor Searle.

Taylor, how did you discover that your friend had been murdered?

SEARLE: Well, a lot of people had been calling me and asking me where Travis was, and I had mixed up time and I assumed that he was in Cancun. When it came to my attention that he was not in Cancun, because Mimi, who he was going to Cancun with, was calling me and asking where he was, we all headed over to his house to see what was up, and eventually Mimi and some other friends found him, as I was driving there, so we all found him that night and called everyone we knew and gathered around and just consoled each other.

GRACE: Could you tell me what Jodi Arias was like at the funeral, at the memorial?

SEARLE: She approached me and was somber and said it was unfortunate that we met again under these circumstances, and she was looking for a program that showed the speaker arrangement and the picture of him, and she was -- she was the first person that I thought had done it on my list, so I was really -- didn`t want to really talk to her, so I kept it short, and went on my way.

But she seemed to -- she seems like she was trying to act sad like the rest of us. And even attended some additional memorial services with small groups of friends on the days that followed.

GRACE: I want to go very quickly to Dr. Bill Manion, medical examiner joining me out of Philadelphia.

Dr. Manion, I believe that the medical examiner in this case is going to be a star witness. What will we learn?

DR. BILL MANION, M.D., MEDICAL EXAMINER, BURLINGTON COUNTY, NJ: Well, he`s going to talk about the size of the -- of the knife that was used. It looks to me like it`s a butcher knife. It has at least a blade at least 6.5 inches long, an inch wide.

He`s going to talk about the fatal injuries that took place. The fatal injuries are the stab wounds to the superior vena cava, that`s the large vein going into the heart, and the second fatal would would be the inception of the carotid artery on the right side. So those are the two main fatal --

GRACE: Right. With me, Dr. Bill Manion out of Philly.
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JANE VELEZ-MITCHELL

Jodi Arias: Sex and Secrets on Trial; Will Crime-Scene Photos Sway Jodi Arias Jury?

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JANE VELEZ-MITCHELL, HOST: Graphic and grisly images in the Jodi Arias death penalty trial today, as the prosecution makes it clear that Travis Alexander died a violent, slow and very painful death at the hands of Jodi Arias.



Will the jury look at these brutal images and believe Jodi Arias` claims of self-defense, or will they call it a rage killing?

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

VELEZ-MITCHELL (voice-over): Jodi Arias, back in court for day three of her death penalty trial, with a new look and fresh tears. Will the jury believe her emotional outpourings? Or will they think she`s just acting, like she did when she called detectives and pretended she knew nothing about Travis Alexander`s death?

Tonight, the secrets revealed in today`s testimony. And the very graphic photographs of the victim and the crime scene, as prosecutors try to prove Jodi Arias was a jealous woman, obsessed with Travis, and filled with rage.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He`s dead. He`s in his bedroom in the shower.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Had what appeared to be dried blood on his neck. Appeared to be a neck wound from ear to ear. His face was dark purple, almost black.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Has he been threatened by anyone recently?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes, he has. He has an ex-girlfriend that`s been bothering him.

JENNIFER WILLMOTT, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Jodi Arias killed Travis Alexander. The million-dollar question is what would have forced her to do it?

JODI ARIAS, MURDER SUSPECT: I didn`t commit a murder. I didn`t hurt Travis. I would never hurt Travis. I`d never harm him physically.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Was this self-defense?

WILLMOTT: What would have forced Jodi? It was Travis` continual abuse. And on June 4th of 2008, it had reached a point of no return.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Tonight, the Jodi Arias murder trial turns unbelievably grisly as the prosecution lays out the bloody crime scene and the gruesome autopsy photos. Will the horrifically violent way Travis Alexander died show the jury this was a rage killing, and not self-defense?

Good evening, Jane Velez-Mitchell coming to you live.

The gorgeous 32-year-old photographer admits -- yes, she admits -- "Yes, I stabbed my ex-boyfriend 29 times, slit Travis Alexander`s throat from ear to ear and shot him in the face." But she claims it was all in self-defense.

Travis` family shook their heads with anger and grief. They sobbed in court as they watched this parade of gruesome photos. And we have to warn you, these photos are exceptionally graphic. These evidence photos show Travis` bruised, bloody, decaying, body.

His hands. Look at them. They tell a horror story. Look at the knife wounds. Deep cuts that are plain to the naked eye.

The prosecutor seemed intent on showing the pain Travis went through in a long, agonizing, even torturous death, involved stabbing and throat slitting and a shot through the head. Listen to this.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: My examination did show that the jugular vein and the carotid artery on the right side were both cut.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: How deep is this wound?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It goes all the way back to the spine. So it`s three inches, four inches.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: At first Jodi Arias told cops, "Oh, I wasn`t even there when Travis died." And then she said, "Oh, it was a home invasion and I escaped."

Well, now she says, "Yes, I killed him, but in self-defense after repeated psychological abuse and sexual degradation."

Listen to this. And we have to warn you, this language is graphic, but it was said in open court.

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WILLMOTT: As Travis would explain to Jodi, oral sex really isn`t as much of a sin for him as vaginal sex. And so he was able to convince her to give him oral sex. And later in their relationship, Travis would tell her that anal sex really isn`t much of a sin compared to vaginal sex. And so he was able to persuade her to allow him to have anal sex with her.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: So will a jury believe Jodi Arias killed in self- defense? Or did the prosecutor today prove how a petite Jodi could have savagely murdered her much larger ex-boyfriend?

I want to hear from you. Call me: 1-877-JVM-SAYS, 1-877-586-7297.

Straight out to our very own senior producer, Selin Darkalstanian. Selin, you were in court today as these graphic photos were shown. What was it like, and what was the reaction for victim Travis Alexander`s family?

SELIN DARKALSTANIAN, HLN PRODUCER: Jane, for the first time today, actually, Travis Alexander`s family got up and walked out of the courtroom. Before, when they were showing graphic photos earlier last week, they were looking down. They were crying. They were trying to cover their faces.

But today it was just too much. They got up, and they walked out of the courtroom. You have to understand, these are horrific, horrific autopsy photos, different angles of stab wounds. They had, you know, certain photos of his back with stab wounds, nine wounds going in one direction, showing, you know, stab wounds going like this. They had -- the skull has stab wounds on it. His midsection. His legs. I mean, his entire body was butchered. It was a horrific, horrific scene.

Obviously, the entire courtroom, reporters, the public, it was a somber mood in the courtroom. Everybody was quiet watching these photos go by, and it was the worst, obviously, for the family, who got up and left.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: The prosecution spent the first part of the day basically soaking in blood. Soaking the jury, metaphorically, at least, in the bloody crime scene photographs. Listen to this.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The hallway and floor, including the red staining from the hallway. Red staining on the carpet in the master bedroom. From different vantage points of some of the red staining. That is red staining that was on the carpet, in the master bedroom.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Is that a close-up of it?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes, it is.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: Look at these bloody hands. We`re going to show you again. These are extraordinary. And we have with us, we`re very delighted to have Dr. Lawrence Kobilinsky, forensic science -- scientist of note. What do these hands say? I mean, the prosecutor says this was a rage killing by an obsessed woman who was a stalker.

The defense says, "Oh, no, this was self-defense." But what do these crime scenes tell you?

DR. LAWRENCE KOBILINSKY, FORENSIC SCIENTIST: Well, first of all, Jane, it`s obvious this victim is in a state of advanced decomposition. The body is already turning dark. You see the discoloration on the hands.

We also see extensive wounds on the hands. This was not simply self- defense. I`ve never, in my career, seen self-defense with such incredible -- an attack like this.

I think we said 29 stab wounds. Not only to the hands and the torso, but to the heart. That is a fatal blow. And he would have exsanguinated if it were just that. But there`s a lot more than that.

And so, clearly, this is a crime of rage. This is -- doesn`t seem to me to be self-defense.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes. And let`s talk a little bit about Jodi Arias. OK. We`re going to show you a little bit -- that`s another one of the crime scene photos. Look at that. Look at that sink. I mean, that tells a story, that sink.

And, in fact, prosecutors say that he stood over that sink, essentially bleeding to death as he was repeatedly attacked by Jodi Arias in -- in what is also a torturous and painful death.

And I want to go out for a second to Beth Karas. Because we`re seeing so many of these photos. And of course, they just -- they`re like a punch to the stomach when you look at something like this, this bloody sink.

But they also tell a story that the prosecution wants to tell about how long it took Travis Alexander to die. Why he wasn`t able to fight back, even though he`s bigger than Jodi Arias, and also how he must have suffered.

And if you drop that graphic there, you can see that is his body right there, his body in the shower. Beth Karas, how long did it take him to die?

BETH KARAS, TRUTV`S "IN SESSION": Well, it probably took him a couple of minutes. We haven`t heard an actual time, because it really is impossible to say.

But the medical examiner said today that, in his opinion, the stab wound to the heart, which was one of three major fatal wounds, wasn`t immediately fatal, and would have been the first one.

Because there`s no way, with a shot to the brain, a gunshot to the brain, or the slashed throat that was three to four inches deep and severed his windpipe and went all the way down to the spine, that he could have continued fighting and had defensive wounds.

And because he had defensive wounds on his hands, those deep, knife cuts that you were just showing when -- you were showing his decomposed hands, but you saw the knife cuts. He could not have gotten those wounds unless the first one, or one of the early wounds, was to his heart. And then he started probably, I mean, losing a lot of blood, getting dizzy. He stood over the sink. He was probably spitting blood, dripping blood.

And it`s possible, as he`s bent over the sink, that he got those nine stab wounds on the upper -- upper back, and they`re about an inch deep. They were -- they didn`t go into the chest cavity, but there were several of them at a diagonal.

And then he may have, bleeding, you know, sort of stumbled down the hallway, which is about 12 feet, to the bedroom, where he probably collapsed, and then his throat was slashed at the end of the hallway, the entrance to the bedroom. He was alive, said the M.E., when his throat was slashed, and then she dragged him back to the shower and shot him on the way.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: We`re showing -- thank you for that, Beth. And we`re showing some crime scene photos that devastated the family, especially the photos of the victim`s body, particularly his hands.

Now all this time, as the family of the victim races out of the courtroom because they can`t handle it -- and it`s totally understandable - - Jodi Arias, let`s show Jodi Arias in court today. And she is crying. There she is. And you can see her. Well, she becomes very emotional. She is crying during the showing of these photos.

So, Jordan Rose, you`re an attorney out of Phoenix, Arizona. She has been sobbing through most of this. And you see her usually with a Kleenex in her hand, putting her hand to her nose and crying. Do you buy her tears?

JORDAN ROSE, ATTORNEY (via phone): You know, today she was clearly counseled on her previous, sort of Angelina Jolie meets Octomom sexy persona that she was playing. And today she comes in looking like -- I don`t know, a dejected librarian hiding her nose job and her lip injections that she kind of flouted last week.

She curls the front bangs and tries to look a little sheepish. And she`s really a chameleon, for sure. And it makes her seem sort of virginal in contrast with the sexually deviant photographs that are going to be shown to the jury quite soon.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, and speaking of that...

ROSE: She looks like she`s working for a Kleenex endorsement right now.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, speaking of that, we`re going to debate that on the other side, because some say, well, why did she even go to trial? The evidence against her is so completely overwhelming.

But we have an attorney on the other side who says, "Oh, no, not so fast." Perhaps it`s a Casey Anthony, O.J. Simpson who have given people who were facing overwhelming evidence some hope that they could be acquitted or maybe she does have a case for self-defense? You`re going to hear and we`re going to debate it on the other side.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The view of the laundry room. These photographs depict the washing machine and the contents of that washing machine.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What are we looking at there?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: That`s a digital camera that was found inside of the washing machine. There was a memory card inside the washing machine. It was also collected.

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ARIAS: I practically lived there, even when I was there. I spent the night there several times a week while I lived there. I came over and cleaned his house a lot. He sort of -- he paid me a little bit every month to keep his house nice and clean, sort of like a housekeeper.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Do you remember seeing an e-mail from Mr. Alexander to Miss Arias where he provides her a picture of the French maid outfit that he would like her to don when she cleans his apartment? Or his home, excuse me.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No. That doesn`t sound familiar.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: Oh, Jodi Arias has been crying since the start of this case. And we`re going to show you her tears in a moment.

Now, we all remember the Casey Anthony case, where Casey cried repeatedly in the courtroom before the jurors, but then -- before the trial when her daughter, Caylee, was missing -- not really but supposedly -- Casey wasn`t emotional at all. Remember this?

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: When did she start watching over your child?

CASEY ANTHONY, ACQUITTED OF MURDERING HER DAUGHTER: It`s been within the last year and a half, two years that she started watching Caylee.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: Now Jodi Arias also turned on the waterworks every day, but she sounded also very matter of fact and unemotional when she was talking to cops right after Travis Alexander`s body was found.

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ARIAS (via phone): I never really dated anyone since. And he told me that he hadn`t dated anyone since, but then he told me after that that he has. So it`s all been kind of weird because we kept our dating lives sort of from each other. Like a don`t ask, don`t tell policy sort of.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: All right. Let`s bring in all our top attorneys that we have gathered tonight. Lisa Bloom, legal analyst for Avo.com, author of "Swagger," you talk about boys` swagger. But this is sort of a female. Is this female theatrics at work?

LISA BLOOM, LEGAL ANALYST, AVO.COM: Yes, frankly, her attorney is very smart, and her attorney masterminded this new look. The very mousy look with the glasses. I love that she looks over the glasses to read. Most of us look through glasses to read. And she sits there crying. She may be crying because she knows she`s going to prison, Jane.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: But, Nishay Sanan, you are a criminal defense attorney out of Chicago, and I understand that you believe that she actually has a viable self-defense argument? Huh?

NISHAY SANAN, CRIMINAL DEFENSE ATTORNEY: She does. She does have a valid self-defense argument.

You know, just because everybody`s focusing on the crime scene and these gruesome pictures, it doesn`t mean she doesn`t have a valid self- defense scheme. It could be 26 puncture wounds. It could be 5.

What happens is you go into fight or flight. When she was being attacked by Travis Alexander, she went into fight mode. And then you keep going until you believe, or in your mind the job is done to where your attacker can no longer attack you.

And I think the defense is doing a great job in portraying the relationship between Travis and Jodi during the time frame when his family, his friends, all believed that he was this good Mormon who went to church, was doing the right thing, was not going to have sex. The defense has prayed him -- portrayed him to be living this double life, and I think they`re setting this defense up perfectly.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Jordan Rose, attorney out of Phoenix, you disagree?

ROSE: Vehemently disagree. I mean, if these crime-scene photos are the definition of self-defense, Lindsay Lohan`s the definition of stability.

I mean, remember today was more about proving murder than premeditation. Because, in our state, and our state Arizona wants to see her put to death, they`ve got to first show she killed him. Then they`ve got to show it`s been premeditated. And in order to put her to death, they`ve got to show that the injuries were unusually cruel.

And in doing that, it thwarts her self-defense claim, stabbing him repeatedly in the back. That`s fine and well to say that she has a great self-defense claim if the facts stated that in any, any regard. But that is just a stretch. There is nothing out there...

VELEZ-MITCHELL: All right. Nishay, I want to give you a chance to respond.

SANAN: Well, yes, there could be stab wounds in the front. They could be in the back. It doesn`t matter when you go into that fight mode, which she did because she was being attacked by Travis Alexander, you keep going. You don`t just stop after you stab someone once when you`re worried about yourself, your own life, your own fears. You keep going until you believe or until your mind believes that job is done.

And what happens here is there may have been multiple stab wounds. And that`s what the prosecution has to focus on. That`s what they have to do to play on the emotions of this jury to try to defeat this evidence.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Dr. Kobilinsky, forensic scientist, you`ve seen so many crimes. You`re saying this is a classic overkill where she keeps killing him. Even after he`s dead she`s still going after him.

KOBILINSKY: There`s no question in my mind, he was obviously incapacitated after being subjected to 29 stab wounds, including penetration of the heart.

But then, he was able to move a little bit down the hallway, and then to have the throat slit. I mean, you can follow the pattern through blood spatter, and if there was arterial severance, there would have been arterial spurting. And that`s, again, more evidence for the pattern that took place.

But then, he`s totally incapacitated. Shooting him in the head, that is really overkill. So much emotion. So much rage. There`s no other explanation.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: On the other side, we`re going to take you through this killing that went on for minutes, and show you exactly what happened and in what order. It`s astounding.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Towards the end of their relationship, after they had kind of broken up, and he had put some distance between them, it really was an obsession type of a thing. And the way he described it was that she was really stalking him.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It was a few weeks before -- like, before we went, again, I told him, "Maybe you should take somebody else to Cancun with you." And there wasn`t anyone else that he wanted to take.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: There wasn`t anyone else that Travis Alexander wanted to take to Cancun. He was scheduled to leave right after he ended up dying for Cancun with that girl. That was the good girl he wanted to take, and prosecutors believe that Jodi Arias, who was his sort of secret sexual hookup, was in a rage, jealous, and also stalking him, furious that he didn`t consider her marriage material.

Let`s go out to the phone lines. Brenda, Indiana, your question or thought. Thanks for your patience. Brenda, Indiana.

CALLER: Hi, Jane, yes. I love your show.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Thank you.

CALLER: I just wanted to ask, they said today in court that she dropped his camera and that he grabbed her and spun her around, and that`s when it all happened, in like a minute. Where in the heck did she get the knife from all of a sudden to start stabbing him with? No one`s mentioned anything about that.

Shanna Hogan, journalist and author of "Picture Perfect," a new book about this case that you are working on. Where do prosecutors believe she got the knife and the gun?

SHANNA HOGAN, JOURNALIST/AUTHOR: Well, with the gun, the prosecutors believe that it was stolen from her grandparents` house like on the May 28, which was just a week before the murder. There was a reported burglary at the house, and the only thing missing was a 25 caliber weapon. And that was the same caliber weapon used in the crime.

As for the knife, the prosecutors haven`t said where they think it came from. But the defense has a theory that the knife came from Travis cutting tassels to tie her up. That was somehow left in the bathroom, and then during the attack she grabbed the knife.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes, the defense claims that Travis tied her up in a kinky sexual acting out, and of course, both sides agree that they did have sex in the hours before this killing occurred.

Lynn, Tennessee, your question or thought -- Lynn.

CALLER: Yes, Jane, how are you?

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Good, thank you.

CALLER: Well, you know, that don`t look like no self-defense to me. She drove, what, 1,000 miles, to do this to him? You know what? She`s a scorned woman, and he dumped her. And she drove all the way there, probably took her clothes off. They had sex, and then she planned on killing him before she left there. I already know that.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Joe Gomez, that is a very good comment by Lynn from Tennessee. That people have to take into consideration that she drove from her home in California, all the way to Mesa, Arizona, to have sex with him.

So, meanwhile, the defense is arguing, oh, she was the victim of this sort of sexual deviant is how they`re trying to paint him, to the horror of his own family. But she`s the one who drove across state lines to see him.

JOE GOMEZ: Exactly, Jane. And not only that, but she, you know, apparently brought a gun to a love fest. And you just have to look at the grisly pictures here. The hallway is splattered in blood. The carpet is stained in blood. The sink is -- it`s just so grisly. The savageness, and the depravity that we see in this case seems to have no end, Jane.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Absolutely. And Christine, North Carolina, quick question or thought, Christine?

CALLER: Yes, Jane, hey, I love you and Rico and your mom and what you do for everybody.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Oh, thank you.

CALLER: And I just want to say, like the other caller, you know, her driving 1,000 miles, and bringing a gun with her, I believe she was sexually active with him. Every picture you see of them they`re smiling, happy, this that and the other. She does not look like an abused woman. I`ve seen abused victims. And I`m a rape survivor. I know what that`s like.

And so I don`t buy these tears in the courtroom. I mean, she`s guilty of first-degree murder. She deserves the death penalty, and I hope the jury can see through her fake, you know, just the way she acts. It`s just wrong. And what she...

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Christine...

CALLER: Totally disgusting.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: I want to thank you for sharing your personal story and thank you for calling. And we are going to have a whole breakdown of how Travis Alexander was killed on the other side.

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ARIAS: To me that wasn`t obsessive behavior on his part. It was just I took it a compliment. He wanted to talk to me? OK, that`s great.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: But were you obsessed with him? Those are the allegations they made.

ARIAS: No. No, not at all.

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JANE VELEZ-MITCHELL, HLN HOST: Here`s how prosecutors say the murder of Travis Alexander actually happened. They say Jodi starts stabbing Travis in the shower, stabbing him right in the heart. But Travis grabs at the knife and stumbles to the sink where he drips and spits blood.

Prosecutors say Jodi stabs him repeatedly in the back, and in the scalp as he stands there bleeding out. Then Travis stumbles down the hall towards the bedroom. The prosecutor says he gets only a few steps inside his bedroom before probably falling to his knees, where they say Jodi slashes his throat from ear to ear.

Jodi then allegedly drags him down the hall, hauling him to the sink area. Cops say that`s where she shoots him in the forehead even though he`s most likely already dead. Prosecutors say Jodi then puts Travis` dead body back in the shower, rinsing it off, leaving his body for his roommates to find.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: So, is that the self-defense of a young woman who says that oh, he got rough with her because she dropped his new camera? Or was this the rage killing of a woman who was furious because he was about to take another woman to Cancun on vacation?

Let`s debate this with our two attorneys, Jordan Rose attorney out of Phoenix and Nishay Sanan. Jordan we`ll start with you.

JORDAN ROSE, ATTORNEY: This is the weakest defense I have ever seen. This woman is alleging that because she dropped -- caused him to drop a camera he freaks out enough to cause her to have to kill him, and not only just kill him in self-defense, but stab him 29 times, and do all these brutally outrageous, unusually cruel things to the body. It`s terrible.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Nishay Sanan, how can you argue self-defense?

NISHAY SANAN, ATTORNEY: Well, it`s just exactly as you laid out the facts. He attacks her. She starts stabbing him. He doesn`t fall to the ground. He walks to the sink. So she continues, in fear of herself, continues to stab him, then what does he do? He doesn`t fall to the ground. He walks towards the bedroom.

She, as your other guest said, she`s freaking out. She doesn`t know if he`s going to come after -- if he`s going to come after her again or what he`s going to do. He doesn`t fall to the ground, he keeps moving, even every single time she does something to him.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: And how do they explain, however, that she brings a gun with her that she pretended was stolen from her grandfather`s house a week before? I mean you --

SANAN: Well, what evidence -- there`s no evidence --
VELEZ-MITCHELL: -- you suddenly drop a camera and suddenly attacks you, well, how -- are you a psychic that you knew to bring a gun to the occasion, because you knew that you were going to drop the camera and he was going to attack you? I mean --

SANAN: Well, what evidence does the prosecutor have that she brought the gun? All they have is a missing gun at the grandparents` house. That`s it. There`s been no evidence put forth that she brought the gun.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: All right. Lisa Bloom --

SANAN: What they have is a man attacking a woman.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Lisa Bloom, legal analyst, avo.com and author of "Swagger"; whatever you think about the sexual relationship between these two and whether or not he was hypocritical in pretending to the world allegedly that he was a virgin Mormon while secretly having sex with her. Whatever you think about that, does that alter the nature of this crime scene?

LISA BLOOM, LEGAL ANALYST: Of course not. And let me correct a very important misstatement of the law. Self-defense has to be a reasonable fear, reasonable fear of bodily harm or injury. Once you stab someone, or shot them and they are down, you can`t continue stabbing and shooting until they`re dead. Once the threat has been eliminated, because a person is disabled or injured, you`re supposed to get out of there.

I mean the law that this attorney is advocating would essentially negate any respect for human life and you know that. That is not the law of self-defense that you can just snap and stab and stab and stab 27 times and shoot somebody until they`re dead. That is just not the way it works.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Nishay is self-defense really or defending a client, I should say, really about basically buying any ridiculous story that that defendant, that client gives you, without using any kind of filter as to whether or not it`s realistic? Is that what defense law has become today?

SANAN: No, it hasn`t. The facts are present for putting up a self- defense. They have battered woman syndrome involved in this self-defense. And the facts are there to support this defense as a reasonable defense. They`re going before a jury in a case where their client is looking at death. They`re just not going to throw everything to the wall and see what sticks. They need to protect her.

And that`s exactly what they`re doing by setting forth the fact that Travis Alexander attacked her. And I disagree with your other guest here who says that once the person`s down -- your own facts as put forth by your forensics says that he wasn`t down. He kept moving. He went from the sink -- from one room to the sink, from the sink to the bedroom. He was never down.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Ok. Jordan?

ROSE: She is going to have an awful time trying to prove that she had any injuries that would warrant such a defense, such as self-defense claims. I mean she didn`t go to the police for five days. There`s no ability to show injuries that would sustain her self-defense claim. And this woman is going to have to put on some massive charm offensive in front of the jury, get up there and talk battered woman syndrome with no proof. It`s impossible -- terrible.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Now, she did have some injuries, because once she left the crime scene, she went to Utah, and was hanging around, and canoodling, you might say, with one of the victims, Travis Alexander`s co- worker, with whom she also apparently had some kind of budding love interest with.

So, Lawrence Kobilinsky, to the point, if she has this other gentleman had said well, yes, she looked a little odd. She was wearing long sleeve shirts and had cuts on her fingers, would that do the trick to say oh, well, this is self-defense?

LAWRENCE KOBILINSKY, FORENSIC SCIENTIST: Jane, from my perspective you`ve got to look at the crime scene, you`ve got to look at the physical evidence, and you have to ask the question, is it consistent? Is her behavior -- is her argument of self-defense consistent with the crime scene evidence? And it seems to me not to be.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, and on the other side of the break, we`re going to talk about the warning signs. This did not happen in a vacuum.

Travis` friends say they immediately, and it`s on the 911 call, they immediately told cops, look at this young woman, she`s been stalking and harassing our friend. That on the other side.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: That is reddish brown staining and reddish brown substance that was inside and on top of the sink in the master bathroom.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What are we looking at there?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Those were some hair and fiber-like materials that were found around the shower stall that were designated to be collected as items of evidence. She was actually just indicating the hairs that you see here on the floor.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Right.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: But you can see the red staining in this photograph.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: We`ll be back with more Jodi Arias in just a moment. We have a whole bunch to tell you about tonight. But tomorrow we also have an exclusive interview. We will talk with one of Travis Alexander`s very best friend a man named Mark Brummet. This will be the first time that he has spoken publicly since his very dear friend`s death. He calls Travis Alexander his hero. He says the two of them did everything together.

We`re going to talk to him tomorrow on this show, 7:00 p.m. Eastern. Please join us for that.

In a moment we`re back with more unbelievable evidence.

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MARIE HALL, VICTIM`S FRIEND: She had followed us on the first date that we went on.

JODI ARIAS, ON TRIAL FOR MURDER OF TRAVIS ALEXANDER: I wouldn`t use obsession.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Jodi Arias moves from Palm Desert, California to Mesa, Arizona.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The first thing you notice is all this blood just outside the hallway here on the carpet.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Red staining on the carpet in the master bedroom.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: There`s blood everywhere -- lots of it.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: A closer view of it.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: At this point I`m starting to think oh, something might be wrong. I said you need to find out where she is.

ARIAS: It was hard to fully move on, I think because we continued to spend a little bit too much time together.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: Long before Travis Alexander was killed, there were many red flags in Travis and Jodi`s relationship. When one of Tyler`s (SIC) friends was on this show I asked him about that. Check this out.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: A lot of the stories I`ve heard are that she would always follow around him and the girls that he was dating. And I`ve heard stories of her watching them sleep or I`ve heard stories of her watching through windows or doorways. And there`s stories also of allegedly her slashing his tires two nights in a row outside his girlfriend`s house.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: Listen, we`ve all gone through breakups, but Travis` friends say she slashed his tires twice, sent anonymous e-mails to Travis` new girlfriends, and did various other things that were incredibly stalker- ish. After they broke up she moves from California to Travis` hometown of Mesa, Arizona; and just a couple of days before he`s killed friends say that Travis discovered Jodi hacking into his Facebook account.

Lisa Bloom, I mean, if you take all of that, and if the prosecution successfully presents that in a cogent fashion at closing, with all this forensic evidence, and the hand -- the blood on the hands of the stab wounds, I mean how could you say all of this is self-defense?

BLOOM: It`s a very, very difficult road for the defense in this case. I think the prosecution has a mountain of evidence. I don`t want to prejudge it. Let`s hear all the evidence as it comes in. But, boy Jane, I mean usually someone who is a victim of domestic violence is not going after the guy in the way that she did.

And she certainly appears to be a stalker. She appears to be crazy, evil, vindictive, horribly violent; don`t forget she lied twice. If this was self-defense, why not pick up the phone and immediately call the police and say, "Oh my God, he was attacking me, but he`s here, please come and try to save his life." I mean none of that happened.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Dr. Kobilinsky you said that you thought her attorney is doing her a disservice. Tell me.

KOBILINSKY: Well, I think she`s facing capital punishment, and if she were offered a plea bargain, I think it would be foolhardy not to consider that in a strong way. I mean the evidence is pointing in one direction. It`s not terribly ambiguous.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Shanna Hogan, you`re covering this from the very start. Was she offered any kind of plea deal at any point?

SHANNA HOGAN, INVESTIGATIVE REPORTER: Her attorneys urged her to take a plea deal and she has been adamant from the beginning that she would not plead to this case. And for most of the time she was saying that she was completely innocent, that she had nothing to do with the crime. So it wasn`t up until 2011 where she decided to say that she killed him in self- defense.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: All right.

Now, let`s talk about Jodi`s appearance in court. This is fascinating. Let`s take a look. Day one of the trial, Jodi, we`re going to show this to you, she looks rather serious in a black sweater, there she is, and a very dark hair. She used to be a blonde, remember?

Then day two she adds color. She`s got a green blouse, and still looking rather attractive.



Day three, today, oh, oh, now she`s suddenly wearing glasses. All right. Did her eyesight go bad over the weekend? All right. Then at lunch she adds a dark blue blazer and then takes it off after the split.

So, Joe Gomez, do you remember Casey Anthony with her pastel button- down blouses? Is there some defense handbook that says you have to get your client to wear pastel shirt with a collar, especially if she has a reputation as being a sex maniac?

JOE GOMEZ, INVESTIGATIVE REPORTER: It`s certainly interesting, isn`t it, Jane, that suddenly she puts on the grandma glasses and adopts sort of a librarian look as though to distance herself from the savagery that is being depicted here by the prosecution.

But look, I mean the chips are just stacked so heavily against her. We have the gun thing, the fact that she allegedly stabbed Travis so many times. And if this was in self-defense why did she only have apparently cuts on her fingers. She wasn`t cutting up vegetables, Jane. She was in a fight for her life. She should have had more defensive wounds in other parts of her body.

Given the savage nature of this attack, the bloodstains across the hallway, in the sink, literally painted practically everywhere in the house.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: But --

GOMEZ: It shocks me.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: It`s like deja vu all over again. I was in this exact same chair, saying the same thing, hearing the same kind of things about many, many high profile clients whether it was Casey Anthony or Michael Jackson during his child molestation trial. And then previous to that the O.J. Simpson case. There was no such thing as an open and shut case.

More on the other side.

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ARIAS: Well, I just wanted to offer any assistance. I was a really good friend of Travis`. I heard that he was -- that he passed away, and that, it was -- I don`t know, I`ve heard all kinds of rumors. I heard there was a lot of blood.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: Take a look at this photo. We`re going to analyze it afterwards. This is what is believed to be the photo of the actual crime in progress. Take a good look at it. Our expert forensic scientist Dr. Lawrence Kobilinsky is going to analyze it in just a moment. What do you see?

Ok. We`ll be right back with an analysis.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Has he been threatened by anyone recently?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes, he has. He has an ex-girlfriend that`s been bothering him and following him and slashing tires and things like that.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: All right. Now we`re going to show you once again the inadvertent photo that the prosecution says captures the act of Travis Alexander being killed, being murdered, according to prosecutors. This is a first. Take a look at it.

This is the camera, first of all, that prosecutors say was being used and Jodie claims, oh, yes, you know, I dropped it and he got mad at me. The prosecution says she accidentally clicked on it as the killing occurred. There`s the photo.

Now let`s drop the banner so we can study it, everybody study it together. The prosecution says you can see Jodi`s foot in the background. The defense says, uh-uh. This actually shows Travis` head and arms are raised, and they, therefore, question, that oh, she was killing him. Well, he was still attacking her and she was defending herself.

I`m looking at it. Honestly, I can`t figure it out at all. So our expert, Dr. Lawrence Kobilinsky, I know it`s hard but try to give us something here because this is bizarre.
KOBILINSKY: It`s important because it`s a time stamped photograph. And apparently it illustrates the events during the act, during the attack. It does appear there is a hand and an arm and a head. The prosecutor is indicating that her foot is in the photo as well, but it`s very difficult to see.

And it`s not so much what I think of the photo but what does a juror think about it this? Does this really tell a story? Does it say anything about self-defense, or does it show somebody who is really trying to protect --

VELEZ-MITCHELL: You see where my name is, Jane, there`s a little blood above that. Is that body part right there, are you saying that`s his head or her foot?

KOBILINSKY: I think so.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: His head?

KOBILINSKY: It appears to me to be his head.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: That`s his head and then the foot is that little thing in the background, sort of. That looks like a potato almost like in the background.

KOBILINSKY: Yes, that`s what the prosecution is alleging.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Absolutely fascinating. Let`s go to the phone lines. Marie, Kentucky, your question or thought, Marie.

MARIE, KENTUCKY (via telephone): Hi. I am confused about something.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Sure.

MARIE: Apparently in the very beginning of this trial there was mention of her handprint being -- or it being on like a door frame.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes.

MARIE: My question is, I thought it was said that there was both his blood and her blood in the handprint.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes, yes. That`s true.

MARIE: Somebody want to unconfuse me or --

VELEZ-MITCHELL: No, that`s true.

MARIE: In other words, if both people`s blood was found, she was injured in some way.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Oh, ok. I guess that goes to Nishay Sanan, criminal defense attorney, who is saying that there is a self-defense. Is this something that could be used to argue that, oh, yes, she is bleeding, too?

SANAN: It could be. I mean you have the mixture of two bloods. So if they`re saying she wasn`t injured or she wasn`t trying to stop him from attacking her, this clearly goes to show she was cut up. And it could have been when he was attacking her or when she was trying to protect herself with that knife.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: All right.

SANAN: It goes to show she did have injury.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: All right. Jordan Rose, 10 seconds.

ROSE: She has to charm the jury. She has to get up there and do sort of an O.J. But the thing that`s different is that she`s not O.J. We don`t know her and love her beforehand, and she doesn`t have the money to put on the defense and put on all those expensive experts to prove her self- defense claim.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: All right. More on the other side.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Did you -- I have to ask you this. Did you kill Travis Alexander?

ARIAS: Absolutely not. No, I had no part in it.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: With the throat wounds and the head wound, I don`t think this person could have had purposeful activity, meaning I don`t think they could have raised their arms to defend themselves.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Now, ok, the prosecution has been showing the hands of the victim to show that this was a violent, vicious killing of a jealous woman, overkill as it were, and Lisa Bloom, the caller mentioned a very good point. If, in fact, there`s a palm print showing that it`s not just his blood, as you can see he is cut there in the crime scene photos, but also her blood mixed together in a palm print, could that be enough to give one jurors the idea that maybe she was cut as well if she was defending herself?

BLOOM: I don`t think so, Jane. If you take a knife and you stab somebody 27 times and that person is, of course, fighting for his life, you are going to get some wounds on yourself as well. I mean there`s just no other way about it.

It doesn`t mean they`re defensive wounds, that he was attacking her. Simply the act of stabbing over and over and over again means you`re going to cut your hands.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes, and he had tried to grab the knife, according to prosecutors, and that`s one of the reasons that he had some cuts, was that he was grabbing the knife, Lawrence. Kobilinsky. You were making a similar point that when you`re killing somebody, you do get hurt in the process.

KOBILINSKY: Yes. Lisa is absolutely right. I`ve worked on a lot of cases where one person stabs another and that is exactly what happens. The knife gets bloody, your hand slips, and you end up cutting yourself. So having a palm print with two sources of blood, victim and suspect, is not a big surprise and really doesn`t argue for self-defense at all.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: And the key difference between the victim and the accused is that one is a man, one is a woman and Travis Alexander was much bigger. He was 5`9; he was 189 pounds at the autopsy, meaning he was even heavier before he was killed. She`s 5`4 and 115 pounds.

And so you have to wonder how is it that a 5`4 petite woman can overpower an older man -- a stronger man. Well, a gun is the great equalizer. That`s what we call the great equalizer, a kid with a gun. A teen with a gun can wipe out as we know a lot of people, sadly.

Tomorrow we have the victim`s very good friend. Join us for that tomorrow.

Nancy next.

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Bombshell Beauty Murder Trial

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NANCY GRACE, HOST: Breaking news tonight, Mesa, Arizona. They meet at a conference in Vegas and fall hard. But when the flame burns out and they break up, she then moves 300 miles to pursue him, to get back together, even converting to Mormonism to get her man. Then 30-year-old Travis Alexander`s found dead, slumped in the shower in his five-bedroom luxury home, shot, stabbed 29 times and beaten to death, the violence so brutal it resembles a mob hit.

Bombshell tonight. Gruesome, graphic autopsy photos of Travis Alexander`s dead body as the medical examiner reveals a play-by-play, each step in Alexander`s death, starting with sex shots in the shower, ending with a stab to the heart, a smiley-face neck slash literally from ear to ear, that slash so deep, it goes all the way back to the spine bone, and bloody drag marks on the bedroom carpet.

Jodi Arias in court, wardrobe changes and buckets of tears. Yes, as autopsy photos grip the jury, Arias changes from baby blue to midnight black and dons glasses, gold-rimmed glasses for a, quote, "smart" look.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Jodi Arias goes back to court today.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You can have a cut (INAUDIBLE) to the forearm, and it`s consistent with someone trying to either grab the knife or fend off injury.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: That is a possible shoe impression that was found on the tile floor in the bathroom.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Can you tell with regard to the gunshot wound to the right temple whether or not (INAUDIBLE) at that point?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I don`t see hemorrhaging in the brain.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: If we don`t see hemorrhaging or bleeding, is that an indication that the person was already dead?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: They may have been.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Her name is Jodi.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (INAUDIBLE) pointing fingers (ph) to get directions right away.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I don`t know. (INAUDIBLE) lots of fights.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: How did he die?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Primarily blood loss.

JODI ARIAS, CHARGED WITH MURDER: We used to make (ph) videos and things like that.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Videos of the two of you together?

ARIAS: Uh-huh.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Would they be described as sex videos?

ARIAS: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: This relationship was about sex.

ARIAS: It eventually became sex.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: That`s from CBS "48 Hours."

Good evening. I`m Nancy Grace. I want to thank you for being with us.

Gruesome and graphic autopsy photos of Travis Alexander`s dead body as the medical examiner reveals a play-by-play, each individual step in Alexander`s death, starting with sex shots in the shower and ending with a stab wound to the heart, a smiley-face neck slash from ear to ear so deep, it goes all the way back to the spine bone, capped off with bloody drag marks as his body was dragged across the bedroom carpet. Jodi Arias`s reaction in court? Of course, wardrobe changes and buckets of tears!

We are live and taking your calls. With me tonight and answering your questions is a special guest. Zack Billings is joining me from the Phoenix courthouse. This is Travis Alexander`s roommate, who actually found his friend, his roommate`s body there in the shower.

To accurately describe what happened in court today, we have photos that were shown to the jury in court. They will be shown to you, as they were to the jury. I will do my best to give you an advisory before I show them to you in case you want to look away.

But first, straight to Beth Karas, legal correspondent, "In Session." Beth, is it true that Arias comes into court in baby blue, today she`s donning gold-rimmed glasses for a smart look, and at some point, changes and puts on a midnight black jacket?

BETH KARAS, LEGAL CORRESPONDENT, "IN SESSION": Indeed. You are absolutely right. She had on a buttoned-down short sleeve, just little cap-sleeved blouse. And I did think, Wow, it`s a little bit cold for that. And I wasn`t surprised to see her putting a jacket over it later in the day because it does get chilly in the courtroom.

GRACE: Where is she getting her clothes, Beth Karas? And I know that is very superfluous. I know it`s a tangential question. But believe you me, this death penalty defense lawyer she`s got has a plan. Everything is maneuvered. Everything is part of a bigger plan than you and I can even imagine.

So where is she getting these clothes? Are these her clothes from her home?

KARAS: You know, I`m not sure. I will ask her defense attorneys, although they`re not really talking much, to see if they`re bringing her wardrobe or if her mother and aunt, who are in the courtroom -- her mother and her mother`s twin sister -- have provided the clothes. But they`ve been very nice tops that we`ve seen her in, and she`s wearing slacks. The jacket she put on today was a little oversized, so I suspect that that`s not hers.

GRACE: OK, everybody, let`s go through what happened in court today. Of course, there was a fingerprint crime scene tech. But then just before the crime scene tech can actually say that bloody palm print belonged to Jodi Arias, placing her at the scene at the time of the murder, the medical examiner took the stand out of order.

To you, Bonnie Druker. What happened? Why did the ME come on out of order?
BONNIE DRUKER, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER (via telephone): We`re not exactly sure why he came on out of order, but it could have been something because of his schedule.

All I have to say is when the ME came on, Nancy, it became a horror show, just looking at these pictures, so grisly, so gruesome. I mean, so many of us had to turn away. Travis Alexander`s family walked out of the courtroom crying. And it was just such a grisly, grisly afternoon, Nancy, in court.

GRACE: OK, everyone, as Bonnie and Beth and Jean are describing what happened in court today, we will be showing those crime scene photos. We`re going to be showing portions of the autopsy photos that were shown in court.

Go ahead, Bonnie. Repeat?

DRUKER: Those pictures, Nancy -- I mean, I`ve been in a lot of courtrooms, and I just cannot believe what I saw. It was a horror show. We saw -- again, I want to warn our viewers. We saw the slit neck from ear to ear, and it was so deep, Nancy, that it went all the way back to Travis Alexandria`s spine. At one point, it`s, like, is his head going to be decapitated from the body? That`s just one of the pictures. There were others, as well, a lot of other pictures.

GRACE: You know what you`re reminding me of -- out to you, Jean Casarez. The last time we heard about a neck slash this bad was during the Orenthal James Simpson double murder trial, where Nicole Brown`s neck was slashed so badly, it went all the way to her spine.

And what`s so crazy, everybody, comparing O.J. Simpson to Jodi Arias -- let`s see that two-shot right there again, Liz -- is O.J. Simpson was an NFL football player, a star, right? He`s huge. His hands are huge. He has immense strength compared to Jodi Arias. She is, what, about 5-2 and weighs about 110 pounds, Jean?

JEAN CESAREZ, LEGAL CORRESPONDENT, "IN SESSION": She`s 5-4 and a slight 114, 115 pounds.

You know what prosecutors tried to show today was that Jodi Arias attempted to decapitate Travis Alexander, that she attempted to assassinate with one shot to the head Travis Alexander. And we now understand why they had the order that they did of these horrendous acts, because of those hands, the shots you`ve been showing. Those show defensive wounds where he fought back and he tried to survive. And after she slit his throat and after she shot him in the head, he wouldn`t have had the strength to fight back.

GRACE: Everyone, joining me right now, as we are discussing Travis Alexander like he`s a specimen or something out of a book -- the reality is, is he was loved by many, including his dear friend Zack Billings who is joining us tonight.

Zack, thank you for being with us. I know it must be very, very difficult to hear all of us lawyers and reporters talking about your friend like he`s basically state`s exhibit number one. We are looking at it from a trial and analytical angle, and you look at it very differently. In fact, you found his body, did you not?

ZACK BILLINGS, TRAVIS ALEXANDER`S ROOMMATE: Yes, I did.

GRACE: Zack, what happened that day?

BILLINGS: Yes, I did, Nancy. And thank you for having me on. That day, I remember, I was actually watching a movie with my girlfriend at the time, or my wife now. And I remember getting a knock on my are door and Travis`s friends came to the door. And they said, Have you seen Travis? And I said, Well, no, I haven`t seen Travis. He`s supposed to be in Cancun or out on vacation right now.

And they said, Yes, he is, but he`s supposed to be here with me, with Mimi (ph). And so I said, Well, have you checked his bedroom? And that was my first thought. So they said, Well, no, we haven`t. The door`s locked. And I said, I think he keeps a spare set of keys downstairs.

So I went downstairs and I searched for them and grabbed a few sets of keys and came back upstairs and tried a few different sets of keys, and one of them happened to be his bedroom key.

And as soon as the door was opened, my heart just sank. And immediately, on the right-hand side, I did end up seeing a pool of blood, and looked down the hallway and saw just blood strewn throughout the hallway. And my heart just sank.

I ended up going into the closet that`s adjacent to the hallway, and it opens up to the bathroom, as well. And that`s when I saw his body. And I came back out and I just told everybody, He`s dead. Call 911.

GRACE: When you say that you opened the door and your heart sank, what exactly did you see that made your heart sink?

BILLINGS: Just a pile of blood on the floor.

GRACE: When was the last time that you had actually seen him or spoken with him?

BILLINGS: The last time I had seen him would have been just the week prior, and it wasn`t anything big. It was just in passing, just saying hi. It would have been the Sunday before he was killed.

GRACE: Did you know Jodi Arias? Did you become acquainted with her while you and Travis were living together?

BILLINGS: Yes, I did. I met her on several different occasions. Jodi actually had an interest in photography, and as has come out, that she loved photography. And at the time, I had done photography semi- professionally, and so we had talked a little bit about it. She had shown me some of her work. I had showed her some of mine. And we just met on other occasions to just chitchat, and you know, How`s life? And that was about it.

GRACE: What was she like? How did she act when she was around Travis?

BILLINGS: When she was around Travis, didn`t act any differently than if she was -- or at least around me, didn`t act any differently than -- than if she was by herself.

GRACE: Were you aware...

BILLINGS: She was -- my interactions were her...

GRACE: ... that his tires -- were you aware his tires had been slashed? Then he gets new tires and moves his car and then they`re slashed again the next day? Did he confide in you what was going on?

BILLINGS: You know, I had heard about that and he told me that had happened. However, I didn`t -- all I was told is that it was an ex- girlfriend, and I wasn`t told specifically that it was Jodi and didn`t hear about that until after the fact.

GRACE: When you saw the bedroom, the bathroom, and confirmed your fears, and you saw his body, his dead body slumped over in that shower, did you think of Jodi Arias?

BILLINGS: At that point in time, my thoughts just went directly towards making sure that everybody involved was OK and that we made sure everything was taken care of. Those thoughts didn`t come on until later -- later that evening.

GRACE: When? So that very day?

BILLINGS: After -- it didn`t come on until after somebody had mentioned that Jodi might quite possibly be involved, and then I started connecting the dots and everything started to make a little more sense.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Gripping murder trial in Arizona as Jodi Arias goes back to court today.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: What are we looking at?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It`s a lower view of the victim inside of the shower stall.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She said that there is blood, so is it coming from his head? Did he (INAUDIBLE)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It`s all over the place.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Is there any decomposition that was associated with the body?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes, there was a state of what we could call intermediate decomposition or the middle stage of decomposition.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Sadly, we now know Travis did date a killer. It`s now up to the jury to decide if she killed in self-defense.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Was it because of self-defense? There`s no way in hell it was.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: That`s from ABC`s "Good Morning America."

And with me right now, taking your calls, a dear friend of Travis Alexander`s and his roommate, his roommate that found his dead body. With me is Zack Billings, Zack joining us from the courthouse there in Phoenix, where the trial is taking place.

Zack, again, thank you for being with us. When did you see Jodi Arias? When did you first see her after his murder?

BILLINGS: The first time I saw Jodi after -- after the murder and after we found his body was the following Monday at Travis`s memorial service.

GRACE: How did she behave?

BILLINGS: She seemed a little bit differently. I mean, she came in -- she`s normally blond, came in with brown hair. She came up to me, gave me a hug and said...

GRACE: Well, brown hair? Wait, wait.

BILLINGS: ... it was just horrible...

GRACE: Wait a minute. What did you say about brown hair?

BILLINGS: Oh, she`s normally a blond-haired girl, or was when I knew her. And then that week, I happened to see her with brown hair, different color hair entirely. She had come up to me.

GRACE: So in the middle of all of this, finding out that Travis Alexander has been brutally murdered, she dyes her hair?

BILLINGS: Correct.

GRACE: OK. I`m just finding that unusual, Zack, because I`m a crime victim, and when my fiance was murdered, I couldn`t even eat. I didn`t even want to wash my hair, much less go to a salon and get my hair dyed. OK, I just find that very unusual. But go ahead.

BILLINGS: At that point in time, she -- she came up to me and gave me a big hug and just said, Isn`t this horrible? I`m so sorry you had to go through that. And she asked me where I was living at the time. And that was about the extent of our interaction at that point.

GRACE: Did she ask you any questions regarding your discovery of the body?

BILLINGS: She asked me just a brief of what happened as far as my interaction with -- as far as my interaction with anyone else, had the police talked to me. And she already knew at that point that I had seen the body and was asking what the process was going through, what I was going through.

GRACE: Question. When you look back on the way she behaved at that memorial, that funeral, how do you reconcile that? Because at that time, whichever story of hers anybody chooses to believe or disbelieve, whether they believe, A, when she says she didn`t do it, B, that two perpetrators dressed in solid black, a man and a woman, attacked him as she looked on, or three, that she killed him in self-defense -- how do you reconcile her behavior at the memorial with what we now know, that she slashed his throat with such force, it went all the way through his neck, back to his neck bone?

BILLINGS: It`s hard -- it really is hard to fathom her reaction that day and to fathom just how she carried herself that day. If I was in similar circumstances -- and let`s say it was self-defense -- and that happened to me, I would just be in tears. I would not be able to fathom anything.

In fact, I was in tears that day. And to see her just nonchalantly just, How is everything and everything else...

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: His body was dragged to the shower and he was shot in the head along the way.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: More consistent in your view with him hitting something before death.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes, or something hitting him.

ARIAS: I`ve heard all kinds of rumors. They said there was a lot of blood.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Why would you do nothing, nothing, to help him?

ARIAS: I was terrified, and I was scared for my life. And I think there was a naive belief that I could pretend like it didn`t really happen.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: That was Arias on CBS "48 Hours."

Welcome back. Joining me tonight is a very dear friend of Travis Alexander, his roommate that actually discovered his dead body there in the shower in the five-bedroom home in which they lived.

Zack, thank you for being with us. You said something just before we had to go to commercial. You said even if it was, say, self-defense -- OK, had you ever observed Travis become aggressively physical with Arias or any other woman?

BILLINGS: No, none whatsoever. In fact, quite the opposite.

GRACE: Explain that to me because he`s getting dragged through the mud here. She is claiming everything from he`s some kind of a sex deviant to beating her, and I don`t buy this.

BILLINGS: One of the last conversations I had -- and I remember having it with Travis -- he was talking to me about a new interest in his life. And he was telling me how excited he was.

And his exact words -- and it`s just burned in my brain -- he said, I`m just extremely Twitter pink (ph). And he said, I am just so excited about this new girl. I just want to -- I want to make things for her. I want to do all of this stuff. And I remember him making this whole dessert specifically because he knew she liked it.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He actually had everything going for him, a beautiful home, a beautiful car, a great income.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He`s dead. He`s in his bedroom.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He`s in his bedroom in the shower.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Is that a defensive wound?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Could be, yes, consistent with that.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Where (INAUDIBLE)


UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Would be -- from this vantage point, would be to your right.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: (INAUDIBLE) possible hairs and/or fibers.

ARIAS: I`ve heard all kinds of rumors. I`ve heard there was a lot of blood.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Jodi was Travis`s dirty little secret.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Was there anything like a sexual relationship with him?

ARIAS: Yes (INAUDIBLE)

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: Welcome back, everybody. It`s been quite a day in court as murder defendant Jodi Arias breaks down to cry buckets in front of the jury. She also decides to have a wardrobe change as autopsy photos are shown to the jury.

Let me warn you that these are very disturbing.

Liz, let`s go through part of what the jury saw today. These photos have a forensic value. You`re seeing there one of Travis Alexander`s extremely bruised hands. Now what this is going to signify are not only defensive wounds but also the pooling of the blood in the hand and also bruising occurred, which means his heart was still pumping. He was still alive when much of this damage occurred.

The ruler you are seeing is to -- in the autopsy, the cut, the scrapes, the defensive wounds are actually measured so they can be accurately written down in the autopsy report. The width, the length, and the depth of each of these wounds.

There you`re seeing what`s significant here, I believe the medical examiner joining us tonight, Dr. Hua, is going to tell you that there were actually divots in his skull, in his cranium from the knife, and that the neck wound went all the way back. You may actually see a mark on the spine, the neck bone, where the cut went all the way -- he was basically nearly decapitated there in his shower.

These are some of the photos that the jury saw.

Let`s go straight out to Dr. Zhongxue Hua, forensic pathologist, former chief medical examiner.

Doctor Hua, what do these photos say to you? Interpret them for us.
DR. ZHONGXUE HUA, UNION COUNTY, NJ, MEDICAL EXAMINER: Sure. Several things. The first is when the X-ray of the heads showing the bullet fragments, the fracture of the bone and also the other -- on the scene pictures showing the extensive amount of bleeding in the body specifically in the hands, you`re showing the defensive type wound, indicating someone is still alive, active alive, put into a fight, extensive, certainly would be contradictory to the statement the attacker was in the defensive mode.

GRACE: I want to go back to Zack Billings, Travis Alexander`s roommate.

You know, I can`t recall that I did not want to see -- as a crime victim did not want to see my fiance`s dead body, because I felt that that image was -- would be with me the rest of my life.

Have you found that discovering Travis` dead body is the image that is sticking with you?

ZACK BILLINGS, TRAVIS ALEXANDER`S ROOMMATE, FOUND HIS DEAD BODY: Absolutely. It`s something that never really leaves you. I -- anytime it`s brought up, I relive walking through that room and seeing everything I saw that day. And it`s something that will always be with me regardless of how much I try to get it out of my head.

GRACE: You know, I was just remembering -- just hearing you talk, I remember when I saw the casket at a distance. I actually passed out in the funeral home. I guess emotionally and mentally you`re not ready for it.

When you view Jodi Arias now, when you see her, when you remember back, what do you make of her theory that this was a -- she killed him in self- defense because I don`t like sitting back and seeing this young man who came so far in his life from where his parents left him to be dragged through the mud like this. He`s been claimed to be a monster, a sex deviant, awful an aggressor, an abuser that beat her. And I -- I`m getting all of this from her. Why should I believe her?

BILLINGS: You shouldn`t. In fact, Travis was one of the nicest and kindest men I`ve ever met. He was -- he was the type of guy that you just wanted to be around. You always wanted to be like him. You wanted to -- he had a beautiful home. He had great friends. And he was just that type of guy that you just wanted to associate yourself with and be around.

GRACE: You know, I was just thinking about what you just said. Unleash the lawyers, Daryl Cohen, Brian Claypool.

Darryl Cohen, to hear Zack billings describe Travis Alexander falling in love with somebody else after Arias finally left town, when they broke up, and he`s trying so hard to get the ingredients exactly right. He told me in the commercial break the dessert had something to do with mint and mint leaves, and he`s trying to create this dessert for this woman he was falling for.

I find everyone describes him differently than Jodi Arias, Darryl Cohen. And, in fact, she says there has never been any physical abuse up until the time she killed him? So how could that be the battered woman`s syndrome? That`s a syndrome, that`s something you experience over and over and over. It`s a syndrome.

DARRYL COHEN, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Well, Nancy, I think the battered woman`s syndrome is exactly what we`re looking at. It doesn`t have to be physical. It can be emotional. Here it is. He was dating her. They broke up. Then he started seeing other people.

GRACE: Yes, and?

COHEN: She found out. She was a woman in fury.

GRACE: Whoa, wait -- no, no, no.

COHEN: And she couldn`t -- no, Nancy, this is the way it is.

GRACE: You said they broke up.

COHEN: She was really upset. Yes, but she still safe --

GRACE: Why shouldn`t they date other people after they broke up?

COHEN: But she didn`t realize it so kept coming back for sex.

GRACE: They broke up.

COHEN: And when she wanted him, and she`s a scorned woman, and she never saw what was going on in her own mind --

GRACE: That`s not battered women`s defense.

COHEN: Nancy, in her her own mind he was emotional.

GRACE: Scorned woman is not battered woman`s syndrome.

COHEN: In her own mind she was doing nothing but defending herself and defending her honor and I can`t tell you that I would represent her this way --

GRACE: Defending her honor?

COHEN: Yes. She did not know what she was doing. In her own mind, she was defending herself and she was out of control. I can`t tell you that I don`t think -- I think she should be entering a plea of not guilty by reason of insanity but what she did is what she did.

GRACE: OK. Brian Claypool, I am so glad we let Darryl go on with his appellate argument to the U.S. Supreme Court right there because everything he said is exactly what the battered woman`s syndrome is not. It is not about revenge from being scorned. It`s not about that at all.

And let`s be clear, they were broken up. He was honorable about it. They broke up. She moved away. He didn`t come back to her. She was the one driving back and forth 300 miles to get back with him.

BRIAN CLAYPOOL, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Nancy, I`ve got to tell you, I really believe that this is a crime of passion. I don`t really think this is self-defense. I think that Jodi Arias drove 300 miles, and I think absent some intervening event, she doesn`t just start stabbing him and shooting him. I think she wanted to get back with him.

GRACE: Well, I can tell you that. They had sex all day and all night.

CLAYPOOL: Well, right, but this is --

GRACE: Then he drops the bomb on her that he`s going to Cancun in a couple of hours with another woman.

CLAYPOOL: Right. Exactly.

GRACE: Hello.

CLAYPOOL: Thank you.

GRACE: And that is not the battered women`s syndrome.

CLAYPOOL: This is second --

GRACE: No, no. No, no. Every time somebody pulls a trigger they`re angry.

CLAYPOOL: This is second-degree murder, Nancy.

GRACE: Just because you`re angry --

CLAYPOOL: It`s not premeditated. It`s a lover`s quarrel. Second-degree murder.

GRACE: Premeditation can be formed in the blink of an eye. Premeditation requires just an inkling, a moment of planning. It doesn`t require a long thought-out plan. Being angry is not a defense. The I`m mad, that`s not a defense.

CLAYPOOL: She wasn`t planning this. She carried a gun with her as she drives 300 miles through the desert. She`s a single woman.

Nancy, she`s a single woman driving 300 miles across the desert. She had a gun to protect herself. She is scorned.

GRACE: A gun that she stole from her grandfather. That`s just in the -- Matt Zarrell, let`s go to the timeline. When did she steal the gun from her grandparents?

MATT ZARRELL, NANCY GRACE STAFFER, COVERING STORY: She stole the gun from her grandparents at the end of May. I believe it was May 28th. She -- the cops believe that that is when she stole it. And you should know it matches the caliber of bullet and gun used in the murder.

GRACE: May 28th, he`s killed June 4. Right?

ZARRELL: Correct. Correct.

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GRACE: Welcome back. We are joining you live tonight from Phoenix.

Out to the lines, Nancy in Virginia, hi, dear, what`s your question?

NANCY, CALLER FROM VIRGINIA: Hi, Nancy. Love you. Love your show. Never miss it.

GRACE: Thank you.

NANCY: Here`s my -- you`re welcome. This is my comment/question. This is so clearly not a case of self-defense. And even if Jodi Arias isn`t in chains, why haven`t her attorneys go with an insanity defense? I mean, their defense attorneys do that all the time.

GRACE: You know what, they do do that all the time when they have absolutely nothing else they can do. And I think what they got stuck with here she is, she changed her story three times, and they were stuck with that so they really couldn`t say she was crazy because they were stuck then with the self-defense.

What about it, Caryn Stark? You`re the psychologist.

CARYN STARK, PSYCHOLOGIST: It`s not self-defense. I mean, she`s saying self-defense, Nancy, but it`s not insanity. She could clearly make up these different stories and try very unconvincingly to say that she was beaten by this guy.

And I want to say that this is not battered woman`s syndrome either. Really we can`t even begin to look at that. When you said O.J., I was really struck because this is narcissism, somebody who could not let go. And she was stalking him. She was indeed angry. But angry enough to kill somebody? Maybe he was less than honorable. But did he deserve to be killed? Of course not.

GRACE: And, you know what, I don`t even go, Caryn Stark, with the less than honorable. They broke up.

And, Beth Karas, thank you for correcting me in the commercial break. It wasn`t 300 miles this time. She drove 1,000 miles. She was stalking him even more, Beth?

KARAS: Yes. She used to drive 300 miles before she moved to Mesa because she lived in Southern California. But by the time of this killing, she was living in Yreka, California, with her grandparents near the Oregon border. She drove 1,000 miles. She started out on June 2nd. She rented a car from 90 miles away. She had blond hair. She -- it took her two days to get there. By the time she got there, that`s when she dyed her hair, between renting the car and getting to Travis` house because he took photos of her, which -- and one was shown during opening statements, and she`s got brunette hair.

So she changed her hair. She rented a car 90 miles away and she took the license plates off of one end of the car and turned the other license plate upside down. So that`s some of the evidence we heard in openings. That still will come in through witnesses in the days to come to show what the state says is premeditation.

GRACE: OK. Let me get this straight, Jean Casarez. I want to go back through what Beth Karas just said. She said -- and this is in response to Darryl Cohen and Brian Claypool trying to have some kind of a hybrid defense of woman scorned, I`m mad, battered women`s defense, stalker crazy. That`s where they`re coming from. So this is what we`ve got. She switched the tags around on her car. She stole a gun from her grandparents. She drove 1,000 miles. She went in a car. She altered her appearance. She dyed her hair. She took her own crime scene photos for Pete`s sake. Am I missing anything? Jean?

CASAREZ: Yes. There`s a little bit more to that gun because May 28th there was a "burglary," quote/unquote, in the home and it was reported. And so there`s documentation on that burglary. And there was strange things taken. I mean not the real valuables in the home but like a $20 bill was taken, plus the gun was taken in the burglary and that`s going to come in before the jury.

GRACE: Susan Constantine, body language expert joining us tonight out of Orlando, you`ve been carefully reviewing her behavior in court. What have you observed?

SUSAN CONSTANTINE, BODY LANGUAGE EXPERT: Well, you know, from day one there was that dark villain look. You know, she had that pale skin, the black hair, her attorney was dressed in red so it looked like dominance control and then blood. Then we move forward, we get into day three, and we`re looking at her now in this light blue top, softening up her look. She uses her hair as a hedge of protection around her, which is shielding off.

She doesn`t -- she is creating a barrier between her and the jury. And she has these very vulnerable gestures, her hands are near her neck, near her face, but there`re always barriers of protection around her.

In her videos, you know, she is very calm. She`s very approachable and the thing is what I don`t see in her are all the deceptive indicators that you would find in a deceptive person. What that tells us is that she believes what she is saying and she is very self-deceptive. That`s what I`m seeing with Jodi Arias.

GRACE: To Andrew Scott, former chief of police, Boca Raton, joining us. The sequence of events during the attack has really evolved.

How do you jive that sequence of events that we know happened. For instance, the 10 stab wounds to the back, he received, to her claim of self-defense?

ANDREW SCOTT, FMR. CHIEF OF POLICE, BOCA RATON, FL.; PRESIDENT, AJS CONSULTING: Yes, Nancy, crime scenes seized the true tale of what has expired compared to that of what either the victim or in this case the subject is saying has occurred. And so the physical evidence tells the tale of what actually happened and when you have a suspect such as this young lady here, she is conjuring up various aspects of what she says happened, but they don`t jive with the physical evidence.

This is a classic pitfall that many, many subjects succumb to when they are involved in these types of incidents involving physical evidence and subsequently they wind up getting themselves into trouble because the physical evidence doesn`t comport with what with they`re saying.

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GRACE: Welcome back. We are live and taking your calls.

Beth Karas, I want to go through the order in which the murder occurred. And what was the weapon that she used to slice his throat, and explain -- you know what, let`s just go through the order of the murder.

KARAS: OK. Here`s what the prosecution believes the evidence shows. And the ME said today the stab wound to the heart, one of the three major fatal wounds would have been the first one, because the gunshot to the head, through the brain and slashed throat, he never could have fought. As Jean said earlier, he wouldn`t have had defensive wounds. So the stab wound to the heart probably came in the shower when she was photographing him and he`s crouched down and she had him in a vulnerable position. And so she may displayed the knife --

GRACE: What`s he doing crouched down?

KARAS: They don`t know -- the knife was never recovered.

GRACE: Wait a minute. I thought he was crouched down because she stabbed him.

KARAS: Well, OK. It`s interesting. No, he`s not wounded at that point. That`s the last photo taken before what they call an accidental photo. The camera she`s using, she took about 22 pictures of him in the shower, mainly from the waist up. They haven`t been displayed to the jury except a couple in opening statements. All of a sudden, after that crouched shot which is --

GRACE: Why?

KARAS: I don`t know. Well, it`s a good question. Is he posing for her? Because he had been posing. He had been getting in shape for his Cancun trip which was to happen on June 10th, and this is June 4th.

GRACE: With another woman.

KARAS: And so there were these -- with another woman. With Marie Hall, the first witness in the case.

GRACE: Yes.

KARAS: And I mean is he crouching because she`s pulled the knife or gun on him? But yet she`s taking a picture of him, so it may have been just part of that series of pictures --

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GRACE: This is him posing in the shower that Beth is telling you about, everybody.

Let me see that shot again. Oh, no, no, Beth. If she had a big knife or a gun, I don`t think he would be posed, I think he would be trying to defend himself.

KARAS: No, not yet. Not yet. He`s 5`9", she`s 5`4", she need to get him in a vulnerable position to level the playing fight for fighting him, right? So he`s down and that`s when she may be -- this could be argued -- displays a knife and stabs him. And the fight begins. Maybe where she stabs him and the fight begins. She has stunned him. He grabs the knife. He gets those defensive wounds in his hands, deep wounds in his left hand, mainly in his left hand, a little one on his right hand.

And then he gets up. He would have had the ability to get up even if stabbed in the heart because it wasn`t immediately fatal. So there`s blood around the master bathroom, and he`s stumbling, maybe fighting her. He stands over the sink. Remember that bloody sink? Well, he stands over it. He`s dripping into it. And it is possible that as he`s leaning over it, he`s spitting blood -- that`s the spatter -- she starts stabbing him in the head and in the back. All those stab wounds to the back.

And then -- now he`s getting dizzy, losing consciousness. He heads down the hall.

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GRACE: We remember American hero, Army Private 1st Class Jordan Brochu, 20, Cumberland, Maine, killed, Afghanistan. Bronze Star, Purple Heart, Good Conduct medal. Loved fishing video games, sports, cooking, writing poetry. Leaves behind parents Dan and Suzanne, sisters April, Sadie, brother Aaron.

Jordan Brochu. American hero.

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ARIAS: We were intimate, but I wouldn`t say romantic.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: References to being used sexually by Miss Arias.

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GRACE: Beth Karas, you were going through what we believe to be the order of the murder. It was so diversified. There were so many things to comprehend.

Beth, what can you tell me about upcoming voicemail messages that are set to come into evidence?

KARAS: Well, we did learn through the defense opening statement that a couple days after she killed Travis Alexander, Jodi Arias says she left him a message on June 7th. All right? His body is not found until the 9th, she kills him on the 4th. She leaves him a message on the 7th. That`s at least what she told Detective Flores that she`s had left a message, she hadn`t heard from him. She didn`t know what had happened to him and she was shocked to hear that he had died and she was fishing for information. She says she hasn`t seen him since the previous April.

GRACE: You know, it`s my understanding also, Bonnie Druker, speaking of voicemails and messages, that somehow, and I`m not sure why or how or which side is doing it, that a series of sex messages are going to be introduced.

DRUKER: Yes, and already there`s been some sexually explicit evidence in the courtroom. Travis Alexander asked Jodi Arias or stated to her that he was nothing more than a dildo with a heartbeat, and some of the words like whore and slut have come out, so I just anticipate of getting even more sexual as time goes by in this trial.

GRACE: Out to the lines, Mary in Indiana. Hi, Mary. What`s your question?

MARY, CALLER FRO MARY: Hi. Thank you for taking my call. I just wanted to say thank god that you`re standing up for the victim, and he was the victim. I just think it`s a shame listening to these people try to say that it was battered women`s syndrome. I was in an abusive relationship for 18 years, and that`s kind of like an insult to the people that actually went through a situation like that.

GRACE: You know what, Mary, you`re right. And to top it all off, Beth Karas, he did not have an easy upbringing, did he?

KARAS: No, he did not. He had a very humble upbringing in California, as did Jodi Arias. Both of them did not come from a lot. Very humble. And Travis was really a success story in his family, and then his siblings were very proud of him.

GRACE: You know, Beth Karas, you, Jean, Bonnie, all of us back in the courtroom tomorrow.

"DR. DREW" up next. I`ll see you tomorrow night 8:00 sharp Eastern, and until then, good night, friend.

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DR. DREW

Jodi Arias Trial; Too Sexy Too Soon

Aired January 8, 2013 - 21:00   ET

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DR. DREW PINSKY, HOST (voice-over): A day of graphic, bloody testimony in the Jodi Arias trial today. Arias cried while the jury was shocked at crime scene photos and sexually explicit pictures.

I want to know -- is Jodi Arias yet another Casey Anthony trying to fool the jury with emotional outbursts? And who do you think is ahead so far, the defense or the prosecution?
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First up, we`re going to visit the Jodi Arias story. She hid her hair -- she hid behind her hair and cried today. Some people called it a veil of hair as grisly photos were shown to the jurors. She is on trial for murder in the death of her former boyfriend, Travis Alexander.

She first denied any involvement with him and then finally said, oh, no, no -- sounds like Casey Anthony again, right -- I had it wrong. I did kill him. I killed him in self-defense.

Joining me to discuss: attorney and legal analyst for Avo.com, Lisa Bloom.

Also, I`ve got attorney Darren Kavinoky, host of "Deadly Sins." This is on Investigation Discovery. A new season begins Saturday at 9:00 p.m.

And "In Session`s" Beth Karas, who is at the courthouse tonight.

Beth, please bring us up to date. I know you`ve been on "Nancy" and she`s been crawling all over the story. But bring us up-to-date with the highlights.

BETH KARAS, IN SESSION: Well, today was another gruesome day with photos. I believe the worst is over because the medical examiner testified and he detailed all those numerous knife wounds, the combination of incise wound slices, as well as stab wounds all over his body. And he did say he basically bled to death and there were three fatal injuries.

He gave what he thought was an order: at least a stab wound to the heart had to be first because he had defensive wounds on his hands. And he said a shot to the head which went through the brain and that slashed throat, which was four to five inches deep.

It went back to his spine and severed his windpipe. He never could have had defensive wounds. He wouldn`t have been able to fight with those two wounds. So, the stab to the heart had to have come first.

So photos of these were shown, and you just talked about Jodi Arias hiding in her hair.

You know what I thought, Dr. Drew? I watched Jodi throughout this. She was sneaking a peek at all of these photos.

It`s as though those photos, one could argue, made her cry a little bit more. So she kept crying, but she was looking and then she`d cry, and she would always sneak a peek as they put up a new photo.

PINSKY: Beth, you --

KARAS: She wasn`t hiding her head from those photos.

PINSKY: Do you get a spidey sense about here? Does anything in your gut tell you about who this woman is, Jodi Arias?

In fact, the footage, I like the way -- before you answer that, I want to say the footage being played alongside of me is her sort of looking like a librarian.

And what I find fascinating also, we`re going to have an expert in here to talk about psychopaths and how they behave. But she seems to have adopted I lot of the demeanor and physical properties of her attorney.

BARON: Yes.

PINSKY: What does your spidey sense tell you, Beth?

KARAS: You know, it`s interesting. She is a woman that has such self-confidence. She told "Inside Edition" months ago, years ago, actually, that no jury would ever convict her. That`s a statement that may come back to haunt her, because the defense fought to keep that out, and the judge said, no, it`s coming in, but a latter part of that, she kept out, which was I`ll never spend a day in jail, and she`s been in jail since July 15, 2008.

So she`s spent time in jail for plenty of days. But she said, no jury will ever convict me. She took on this jury.

This is a woman who makes up stories that will kind of fit whatever the evidence is at the time. As she learned, apparently, that there was more and more forensic evidence placing her there and incriminating her, she kept changing her story to fit it.

And the other thing, Dr. Drew, is if she hadn`t thrown that camera, the digital camera, in the washing machine after deleting all the incriminating photos, if she had taken it with her like she did the gun and the knife, this would be a very different case. I don`t know if she ever would have been charged.

Maybe she would have been charged, but it would have been a very different case.

PINSKY: What is it about that camera? Help me understand that.

KARAS: Well, she had taken a series of -- she and Travis had taken a series of photos that day -- the camera, the digital camera, was Travis`, a new camera, and she loved photography. She was a photographer. It had date and time stamps on the photos.

There was three sets of photos as the prosecution described them. The first set is the two of them naked having sex, then they took pictures of each other naked, some of them very, very explicit. That`s 1:00 or 2:00 in the afternoon.

And then closer to 5:00, 5:30, Jodi is taking pictures of Travis in the shower, tasteful pictures. She`s not in the shower with him because it`s a small shower stall separate from the tub. She`s taking waist-up pictures, and he`s posing.

He`s about to go to Cancun with another woman, Marie Hall, who was a witness in the case, and Jodi knows that. And he had been losing weight and getting in shape and he`s posing. And then the last photo of about 20 she takes of him, he`s crouched in the shower and she takes a picture. She`s got him in the vulnerable position she needs him in, says the state.

PINSKY: Wow.

KARAS: And she stabs him and then fight begins.

PINSKY: The fight begins.

KARAS: And the last photos are inadvertent photos, by the way. The camera went off accidentally. There are actually a couple photos during the killing.

PINSKY: Gives you chills, doesn`t it? You have disgust in your face.

BARON: Yes, it`s horrifying. Well, clearly, sometimes crazy sex is just crazy.

PINSKY: Well, that`s a whole conversation.

Lisa, a quick question before we go to break. How is this woman going to avoid the death penalty?

LISA BLOOM, ATTORNEY: Well, that`s what this whole trial is about, Dr. Drew, trying to make her look more relatable, the glasses, the hair in face, you know, she`s Ms. Nicey-nice. There`s just hoping that a couple of jurors are going to spare her for the death penalty.

And I got to tell you, women do better when they were accused of violent crimes. White women do best of all. If she were male, if she were African-American, she`s more likely to get the death penalty in our system, I`m sorry to say so.

There is a possibility she gets found guilty but does not get the death penalty. Let`s see how it turns out.

PINSKY: Thank you to Beth Karas for that report.

And we`re asking a question of our viewers, who is the bigger monster, Jodi Arias or Casey Anthony? Call me to discuss. We`ll put you on the air. The number is 855-DRDREW5. That`s 373-7395.

Be right back.

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PINSKY: Welcome back.

My co-host this week, Laura Baron and I are discussing the Jodi Arias trial. And what Jodi perhaps has in common with Casey Anthony. Both are criers, both are liars.

Joining me now to dig further into this is clinical neuroscientist, Michelle Ward.

Now, Michelle, I made an observation last break that everyone seemed very interested in, including Beth Karas who was in the courtroom all day, is that when you look at these images of Jodi standing next to her attorney, she looks like -- if you can play that tape next to me here.

See that, Michelle, she seems to have adopted the demeanor and appearance of her attorney, which to me is something a psychopath would do.

MICHELLE WARD, PH.D., CLINICAL NEUROSCIENTIST: Well, right. Or she could be under the advice of a jury consultant or her attorney. And they`re playing to the jury. I am also --

PINSKY: No, but, Michelle, you`re a jury consultant, I understand that. But it`s too good. You know what I mean? It`s one thing to say I`m going to show you how to act, it`s almost like they`re attuned to each other in some kind of way. I`m looking at the way they`re standing. They even kind of move in unison. That`s a weird thing.

WARD: How good is it if we can obviously pick up on it?

PINSKY: All right. Fair enough, fair enough.

WARD: I mean, she`s playing to the jury. And, you know, I mean, and, of course she should. I mean, she`s trying to, you know, get a lighter sentence if convicted.

But -- I mean, in reality, she should. I mean, she is looking like the part of the innocent victim here where it`s a very different picture than what we`ve seen before. I mean, she`s not the blond bombshell that we saw before. This is a demure, innocent person.

I don`t know if this is of her own accord or if someone is advising her, but it`s very obvious.

PINSKY: And what I`m trying to sort shine a light on it, I`m bringing this issue up. What psychopaths is they behave the way they think people would behave if they were having an emotion.

WARD: That`s right. And that`s why we see her crying as well.

PINSKY: Right. So the crying is what she thinks a person would do, if sad, having looked at these horrible images.

WARD: One of the researchers of psychopathy said this that, a psychopath knows the words of emotion, but the music of it.

PINSKY: Oh, it`s --

WARD: It`s a second language to them. So, they can learn it, oh, OK, this is what I do here. This is what normal people want to see, but they don`t feel it. They don`t experience it, they just learn how to mimic it.

PINSKY: Darren Kavinoky, you seem to want to get in here. I know you have a ton of things you want to address. Let me start out with this one thing. It seems like the courtroom has a tendency to want to blame the victim. That seems to be a big part of the defense here, to make the poor guy that got slashed and slaughtered the problem.

Is that a good defense?

DARREN KAVINOKY, ATTORNEY: Well, you know, I don`t know whether it`s a good defense or not. Ultimately, it`s going to be up to the jury to decide whether that`s a defense that`s ultimately effective. From the defense case perspective, you`ve got to play the cards that you`re dealt, and if their defense that they`re hitching their wagon to is, indeed, self defense, you`ve got to put the victim on trial, as it were.

But I do agree that this is a case that ultimately a victory would be keeping her off death row.

And, of course, as Lisa pointed out, and I agree with this and the data supports it, that women tend to fare better, and Caucasian women in particular, when they`re accused of capital offenses.

That said, in Arizona, of the four women that had been put on death row since 1973, all four of them are Caucasian women. So if we`re going to be playing the odds there, perhaps being a white female in Arizona isn`t the best.

But that`s certainly something the defense has to be considering if they`re putting the victim on trial, is, number one, how to do it so that they can effectively defend their client, but how to do so in a soft enough way so that the jurors don`t hate her and punish her if they do finally get to a sentencing hearing.
The one final thing, Drew --

PINSKY: Go ahead, Darren.

KAVINOKY: -- that really puzzles me is about this whole lookalike business between her -- between Arias and her lawyer. Lawyers typically exert a lot of control in their client, because, of course, trial courts really are a theater. And effective trial lawyers like to control every element that they can.

It`s a little surprising to me to see this doppelganger thing going on here, because you would think the lawyer would be saying to her, look, we need to dress you a particular way, you need to look a particular way, and this lookalike business is pretty off-putting.

I`m wondering, Dr. Drew, given your background in behavioral health, how do you think this thing comes off?

PINSKY: Well, first, it immediately struck me as something a psychopath would do, frankly, because it`s just too much of an -- you know, behaving as if, behaving the way I think someone is supposed to behave. Oh, my attorney, she would be a good person to -- is that your gut tell you that, too, Laura?

BARON: Yes. The question that I have actually is that you still see her psycho eyes. I mean, she might have little glasses on them, but doesn`t it get to a point where somebody is so -- I guess the clinical term is psycho -- that they start physicalizing whatever is going on in their head? You cannot look at this woman and not think, like, whoop.

PINSKY: Well, it`s technically, I`m sure that, Lisa, the jury is being instructed not to jump to those kinds of conclusions. Would you have an issue with your client dressing and looking like you? I know --

BLOOM: Yes.

PINSKY: Yes, that`s what I would say.

BLOOM: Yes, because I`m a lawyer, but I`m also a human being, and that`s creepy and, you know, get your own look, I`m sorry.

But I also say this, Dr. Drew, I noticed today, one of the clips, she`s got her glasses on -- you know, I have reading glasses I put on when I have to read something, right? But when she`s reading, she`s looking over her glasses as though the glasses are just completely blank, clear glass and not actually there to help her read.

If the jury saw that, they know it`s just part of a costume, too, then.

PINSKY: To be fair, I look over my glasses to read because I`m near- sighted. Maybe she wears contacts. Maybe those are really her glasses.

BLOOM: She`d never worn them before.

PINSKY: Which I find -- that`s bizarre, too, if she`s wearing near- sighted. She wears contacts in prison? That`s kind of weird. OK, anyway.

Let`s take a call. This is George in Massachusetts -- George.

GEORGE, CALLER FROM MASSACHUSETTS: Yes, Dr. Drew. I`m a retired law enforcement officer.

And first and foremost, this crime was absolutely horrendous.

PINSKY: Yes.

GEORGE: She killed an unarmed man inside of a shower. He had defensive wounds. She had no wounds, no visible injuries that she`s reporting or anything else like this.

I think it`s an absolute crock. I hope the jury gets it right. I hope they don`t let her walk like they did Casey Anthony. This is an absolute atrocity.

And shame on the defense team for putting the victim on trial. He was a victim. How do you accuse somebody who was taking a shower of physical abuse? She just calmly, coolly and collectively walks away from a crime scene. Never even cries for help.

PINSKY: George, let me ask something -- have you ever dealt with somebody that`s that cold-blooded in your career?

GEORGE: Absolutely.

PINSKY: Oh, man.

GEORGE: Absolutely. And it`s absolutely sickening. The only thing that the D.A.`s office can do right now is to put the evidence out there and let her be seen for the vicious little nasty woman that she is.

PINSKY: Fair enough, my friend. I`ve got to go to break. I`m sorry, George.
I want to ask my attorneys, too, when we get back, also, do you think -- I don`t want to use all the adjectives that George used there -- do you think the defendant will be likely to be seen on the stand? I`ll ask that. Also the effect the grisly crime scene photos have had on our jury.

We`ll find these things out when we get back.

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PINSKY: Laura Baron is back with me talking about the Jodi Arias trial.

The question is, what will the graphic crime scene, photos and autopsy, photos as well, have on these jurors? How can they be objective?

And, Lisa, the second part of that question is will we likely see her on the stand?

BLOOM: I think no. And I`ll tell you, that`s because she lied a couple times about what happened, and it`s hard to imagine that they`re going to actually put her on the stand and subject her to cross examination by a prosecutor who is going to shove all those lies down her throat.

So I`m sure her attorney is going to say no. If she wants to, it`s her right. She can get up there and she`ll definitely be convicted if that happens.

PINSKY: And, Darren, is the grisly nature of the photos likely going to play into the jury`s decision-making?

KAVINOKY: Yes, you can`t unsee those things once you`ve seen them. It`s powerful evidence. Prosecutors love them, defense lawyers hate them. It`s highly likely it will be influential.

And I absolutely agree with Lisa on this one. It would be a horrific move for her to take the witness stand. You generally only want to do so if there is some essential element only the defendant can speak to. But, of course, she`s got the absolute right to do so.

And if everybody is as crazy as everybody thinks, you may just see her up there on that stand.

PINSKY: And, Michelle, you`re a jury consultant. And imagine when a jury sees these sorts of grisly, horrible crimes, they want to -- they want justice. They want to take out their retribution on somebody.

So, do you advise defense attorneys? Do you -- does it matter who is sitting in those seats? Is that the bottom line here? How does that work?

WARD: Well, it`s interesting, with human psychology, of course, they`re going to be incredibly affected by these photos, but they habituate to them. So, if they`re going to see them, as a defense attorney, I want them to see -- well, I`m not -- but if I were I was advising a defense attorney, I`d want them to see them over and over and over again because they habituate to them.

I`ve worked on a lot of crazy murder cases, and that`s what I say. Hey, if they`re going to see it, let`s over-show it, because they do eventually get used to it and it doesn`t have the impact.

PINSKY: So it`s not as bad after repeated exposure.

WARD: Absolutely.

PINSKY: Michelle, let me ask you this question. What do you suspect could make somebody snap like this? Was it premeditated and she`s just a psychopath and she was getting retribution for this guy cheating, or did they get in an altercation where suddenly they have her violent?

WARD: It`s worse than that. She`s a stalker. She`s an absolute stalker.

She presented like a typical female stalker, the obsessive thoughts. She tied up her identity with this relationship. As soon as there was an infidelity, she responded with rage, and that`s what we see, this kind of irrational thinking.

And on top of that, she now looks like she`s an absolute psychopath. I don`t normally see that presented that way. I mean, obviously stalkers have a similar pattern to one another, and she fit perfectly into that. And now, I`m looking at her just like a regular murder I deal with.

PINSKY: So, Laura, you have her parked outside an old boyfriend`s home, and kind of waiting to see if his car is there.

BARON: Like five times.

PINSKY: That`s stalking behavior.

BARON: But I did not kill them.

PINSKY: I understand that. I understand that.

BARON: Because I`m a lady, Drew. Because I`m a lady.

PINSKY: So, Michelle, just for the record, she`s not a psychopath. Stalker, but not a psychopath.

WARD: Hey, we`ve all gone to the crazy place.

PINSKY: I don`t need to know that about my guests, by the way.

BARON: Now you do, drew.

PINSKY: Lisa, you? No, Lisa, no?

BLOOM: No.

PINSKY: Thank you, Lisa. I know I could count on you.

BLOOM: Let them go! If they don`t want you, let them go!

BARON: Agree.

(CROSSTALK)

KAVINOKY: Drew --

PINSKY: Darren, real quick, go ahead.

KAVINOKY: Yes, one quick thing. On this issue of self-defense, if the jury is buying self-defense, and that`s a big if, the number of stab wounds may actually be helpful and here`s where those grisly photos can work, because people --

PINSKY: Show the hand wound here if we can.

Go ahead, Darren. Go.

KAVINOKY: When people are engaged in self-defense, the number one thing on their mind is stop the threat. And so that means repeated behavior. So typically if you`re shooting with a gun and it`s truly self- defense, you`re going to empty the magazine. You`re going to empty the gun.

If a knife is your weapon of choice, you`re going to see multiple stab wounds. If you`re truly defending yourself, you`re not going to just strike once and hope that`s doing the job. So, if they`re buying it, and that`s a monumental if, that`s something we can expect the defense team to try to spin to their advantage. A tough sell but that`s what we`re going to see.

PINSKY: Guys, I`ve got to take a break.

Thank you, my excellent panel. Darren Kavinoky, thank you for joining us.
 ::snipping2::

This woman has ice water running in her veins, just like Casey does. No remorse except for herself. Hope they have a smarter jury on this case than they had for Caylee..

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JANE VELEZ-MITCHELL

Witness: Jodi Arias Romanced Him after Murder

Aired January 9, 2013 - 19:00   ET

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JANE VELEZ-MITCHELL, HOST: Tonight, what Jodi Arias did with another man hours after stabbing Travis Alexander 29 times, slitting his throat and shooting him in the forehead, and how that other man testified today that Jodi showed up are his house and seemed just fine, thank you, even laughing and, of course, flirting.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

VELEZ-MITCHELL (voice-over): Tonight, stunning testimony about what Jodi Arias did with this man just hours after violently stabbing and shooting Travis Alexander.

Ryan Burns`s testimony is complete with Jodi`s flirtatious messages to him. And why did he testify that Jodi is stronger than she looks? Was this petite, five-foot-four-inch woman in an out-of-control jealous rage? Was she consumed by an obsession of love, sex and male attention?

RYAN BURNS, TESTIFIED IN MURDER TRIAL: And one day, while he was taking a nap, I took his phone and read his text messages, and it seemed like she didn`t trust him.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Did you see any blood coming from the neck area?

BURNS: Every time we started kissing, it got a little more escalated.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: What would you associate that blood with?

BURNS: The cut to the throat.

She was -- definitely seemed to be into the moment.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This is the palm of the left hand.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Were these consistent with defensive wounds?

BURNS: She got on top of me.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Is this a wound that could kill this person?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes.

BURNS: She`s a lot stronger than she looks.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: How deep is this wound?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It goes all of the way back to the spine.

BURNS: She had two small bandages, it seems like, on one of her fingers.

JODI ARIAS, ON TRIAL FOR MURDER: I would be shaking in my boots right now if I had to answer to God for such a heinous crime.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, you do have to answer. It`s called a court of law.

Tonight, sex and secret messages exposed in open court as the Jodi Arias murder trial gets more and more interesting. Will Jodi`s romantic trysts with another man just literally hours after she violently killed Travis Alexander ruin her claim of self-defense?

Good evening. I`m Jane Velez-Mitchell, coming to you live.

The 32-year-old bombshell admits she stabbed her ex-boyfriend 29 times, slit Travis Alexander`s throat ear to ear and shot him in the face, but she says she was just defending herself.

Today the jury heard how Jodi left this blood-soaked house after killing Travis -- and just look at what she did to his hands before she leaves the house, leaves him there to decompose, and drives 700 miles to Utah and then literally climbs on top of another man. That man took the stand in court today and said Jodi seemed just fine and ready for romance with him.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

BURNS: And the second we woke up, we were -- we were kissing.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And what else happened?

BURNS: She got on top of me pretty aggressively and we were kissing.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: When she got on top of you pretty aggressively, where was her genital area compared to yours?

BURNS: She was right on top of me.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Who does that? Who kills somebody and leaves a very bloody crime scene and a dead lover in the shower, and then drives 12 hours to another state to take a roll in the hay with that dead man`s work colleague? Unbelievable.

The prosecution also reveals some flirty, sexy messages that Jodi sent the new boy toy while she and Travis were still talking to each other. Listen to this.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

BURNS: It says, "Hey, there, handsome. This is a test."

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Her saying to you, "Hey, hottie-biscotti, what`s new?

(END VIDEO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Along with introducing Jodi`s flirty "hottie- biscotti" messages, the prosecution literally brought out a piece of the very bloody carpet from the crime scene in open court today. This was just absolutely extraordinary, and Travis` family turned away, upset over the sight of Travis` actual blood on the carpet.

The prosecutor also showed a photo that matches what some people call the smoking gun. There is Jodi Arias` palm print, and prosecutors say it matches a bloody palm print that has a mixture of Jodi and Travis` blood that was found at the crime scene.

What do you think about all this? I want to hear from you. Call me: 1-877-JVM-SAYS, 1-877-586-7297.

Straight out to our own senior producer, Selin Darkalstanian, who has been in court.

Selin, there were so many shockers in court today, up until a few moments ago. We`re going to keep playing them all this evening. What were some of the most out outstanding moments for you today?

SELIN DARKALSTANIAN, HLN PRODUCER: One of the most powerful moments in court today was the prosecution brought out that bloody piece of carpet that you were just mentioning and showed it to the jury with Travis` dried blood on the carpet.

It was -- he was bringing the crime scene to the jury, physically holding it up for the jury and saying, "This is what the carpet looked like." I mean, he`s standing right in front of them, and to me, that was the most powerful moment.

Obviously, the sisters got emotional. That`s when Jodi started crying, putting her head down. That to me was the most powerful.

But of course, we also heard from the guy -- who we see what happened to Jodi and what she was doing moments after she killed him, the day after she killed him, and it`s pretty shocking. I mean, imagine, she just left a gruesome, gruesome crime scene. She killed someone, drives to Utah, starts kissing a guy and making out with him, getting on top of him. She`s going to a Chili`s restaurant with him, acting like everything is OK. And that`s what`s shocking. You have to think, how was she able to block out what happened and lie, and act normal?

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, speaking of lying, this was another shocker. Just a couple of minutes ago, we just turned around the tape as fast as we could. Listen to this in court just moments ago.

We hear, you know, Jodi talk to the detective. She calls him right after Travis` body is found. And she says, "I want to talk to you." He calls her back. And here is her unbelievably theatrical reaction, because he`s taping the whole thing, you know, because he`s a detective.

And he says, "Well, how did you find out that Travis has died?" And here is what she said. Listen to this one.

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ARIAS: Well, yes. He said, "It`s about Travis, lots of blood." You know, that`s never good.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes. He said that, yes (ph).

ARIAS: Yes. So -- but I didn`t think anything at first. I mean, I`m kind of, "OK, what?" You know.

And he -- he said, "We found him."

And I was like, "Well, what does that mean?"

"Well, I don`t know."

"Well, what do you mean you don`t know? What do you know?"

"I don`t really know anything right now. I just know that Brent High (ph) is at his house, and Tiara Server (ph) is at his house. And the cops are there."

And I was totally shocked. I don`t think that I said much. I think that I -- I just kept thinking that maybe there`s a mistake. Maybe there`s a mistake, I`m sure. And he didn`t really know, so I texted him, thinking that there was a mistake and he couldn`t say anything. He didn`t give me any information, so I thought -- he said I was the first person they decided to call.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: All right. She`s pretending she knows nothing about this crime, and she knows everything about the crime, because now she`s admitted she was there. She knew he was dead.

She says, "I was so shocked. I felt helpless."

She knows all about the crime. She`s the one who is standing right there as Travis Alexander bled onto his sink. She`s the one who stabbed him 29 times.

So Simone Bienne, psychosexual and relationship therapist out of Los Angeles, what strikes me is the ability of this woman to lie, glibly lie. And I mean, listen, some of these people -- I`ve always said this about these pathological liars. If they had gone into acting and put their talent to lie to positive use, but this is an acting job that we`re hearing.

SIMONE BIENNE, PSYCHOSEXUAL AND RELATIONSHIP THERAPIST: Yes, I mean, this is absolutely sick, Jane. It`s the real-life "Fatal Attraction." Only sadly, the reality actually outdoes the fiction, which we all thought was very extreme at the time.

And what she`s displaying are these very, you know -- whether there was trauma, we don`t know, but these sex-addictive extreme love-addictive behaviors, obviously, you know, borderline personality traits, where there is this huge murderous rage, fear of abandonment, inability to have relationships. I mean, it`s absolutely horrific.

And the thing that gets me is that, if there was trauma, if she has experienced some kind of sort of violation to her body, which she may have felt that Travis was to her, because we`ve heard so explicitly about the sexual acts, did she harm his body as a way to get him back, because she violated that body? It wasn`t just a straight shot to the head, as we have all seen on your report. She really, really went for it. Perhaps she was symbolically reacting to how she felt.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, I think that`s a very good point. She had built up a resentment. What we learn in our sobriety, as a recovering alcoholic, is that the worst thing for us, or for anyone, is a resentment that builds and builds and becomes more toxic, and sometimes rage can build. And so -- excuse me -- it would seem that perhaps that was the case here.

This entire trial -- you just mentioned "Fatal Attraction." This has been a real-life fatal attraction case. Jodi has been painted by the prosecution as a jilted, unhinged woman, a real-life fatal attraction story. You`ll remember this movie from Paramount Pictures. Check it out.

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GLENN CLOSE, ACTRESS: I just want to be a part of your life.

MICHAEL DOUGLAS, ACTOR: This is the way you do it? Showing up at my apartment?

CLOSE: What am I supposed to do? You don`t answer my calls. You changed your number. I`m not going to be ignored.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: But in "Fatal Attraction" the female stalker played by Glenn Close dies. In this real-life horror -- you`re seeing the autopsy photos here -- prosecutors say Travis was surprised and overpowered by his obsessed girlfriend, who had previously slashed his tires with a knife, et cetera.

Michelle Ward, psychologist and host of Investigation Discovery`s "Stalked," this is a female stalker case, according to the prosecution. But sometimes men don`t take female stalkers as seriously as they should.

MICHELLE WARD, HOST, INVESTIGATION DISCOVERY`S "STALKED": Well, Right. A lot of people don`t take female stalkers as seriously as they should. And -- and actually, they are just as dangerous, if not more dangerous, than their male counterparts.

I mean, Simone`s correct. She was certainly displaying evidence of borderline personality disorder, wildly emotionally unstable, inability to maintain this relationship. And she tied a lot of her identity up to Travis. I mean, she became a Mormon to try to be somebody he could marry.

And she was really controlling. I mean, from what I`ve read, she was trying to control all aspects of the life.

But borderline personality disorder sufferers don`t often kill. I mean, they can, but they often hurt themselves. And, well, she was the type of stalker we see on our show.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes, this is an extreme stalking case is one way of putting it. We have more on the other side, and we`re taking your calls.

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BURNS: She`s a lot stronger than she looks. She eventually kind of grabbed me and adjusted me a little bit.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Did you form an opinion as to her strength?

BURNS: Yes, she`s strong.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I believe the wounds to the hands must have occurred before the fatal injuries either of the head or of the throat.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Did you notice her hands?

BURNS: She had two small bandages, it seems like, on one of her fingers.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

BURNS: At some point, I mean, we were talking and we kissed. Eventually, we kissed probably many times. Every time we started kissing, it got a little more escalated.

She was kissing my neck and I was kissing hers, but clothes never came off.

I never touched her breasts or anything like that. At one point I had my hands on her -- her thighs, and she was, you know, things were -- she definitely seemed to be into the moment. She got on top of me pretty aggressively, and we were kissing.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: This just hours after she, now by her own admission, killed Travis Alexander. She makes a beeline to his co-worker`s house and is fooling around with him. Unbelievable.

And in one of her online conversations with this new boy toy, Ryan, Jodi admits secretly going through Travis`s phone. On it she finds the number of a woman she thinks Travis is secretly dating while still having sex with her. Listen to what she decides to do next.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

BURNS: "I decided to text her back, quote, `Time to cuddle with Jodi. Good night.` Then I deleted the message, went to sleep, and never mentioned it to him. One day while he was taking a nap, I took his phone and read his text messages. Bad, I know."

(END VIDEO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: "Bad, I know." Of course, that young man is reading what Jodi said to him on a text message.

Add this to the many stalking tendencies: the tire slashing, allegedly; anonymous e-mailing Travis` other girlfriends, warning them to not to sleep with him; moving near Travis after they broke up, and Travis caught her, friends, say, hacking his Facebook account.

Anahita Sedaghatfar, criminal defense attorney, how can the defense argue self-defense when she was stalking him, allegedly, leading up to this killing?

ANAHITA SEDAGHATFAR, CRIMINAL DEFENSE ATTORNEY: You know, I certainly do not envy the task of the defense attorneys here. Clearly, they have an uphill battle.

But Jane, you and I have seen time and time again that there is no such thing as a slam-dunk case. We`ve seen it in many high-profile cases. We saw this in the O.J. case, Michael Jackson case, recently in the Casey Anthony case. And quite frankly, the defense is doing exactly what they need to be doing to prove that this was not a premeditated first-degree murder case.

First there`s the issue of the gun. The prosecution has not presented any evidence showing their theory that this defendant stole the gun, brought the gun to the victim`s house with the intent to kill him on that day. And how -- first they haven`t proven that.

Second, they -- the manner of killing is something that they are going to focus on. The defense is going to focus on the fact that, if she clearly planned and plotted this murder, she could have just walked in and shot him. They argue she...

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Maybe she wanted to have sex with him first before she shot him.

Joey Jackson, I can hear you almost, shaking your head. What do you make of this argument that, oh, self-defense is a viable argument here?

JOEY JACKSON, CRIMINAL DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Well, here`s the problem, Jane. The problem is -- is that her conduct thereafter is completely inconsistent not only with that defense but with human nature.

Not everyone acts the same, that`s true, but there are certain standards that we`ve come to expect. If someone attacks you, Jane, what do you do after you engage in that behavior? You call the police.

What else might you do? You certainly wouldn`t go to someone`s home in an effort to fondle them, and have relations with them. That`s not on your mind.

You wouldn`t speak to a detective and you wouldn`t say, "Oh, really? My goodness. Oh, this is how I reacted when I first knew."

So there are certain things, and there`s certain behavior which are completely inconsistent from a person who was attacked. And that`s the bigger problem here, Jane.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Anahita, your chance to respond?

SEDAGHATFAR: Right, but who`s going to make that allegation? The defense is going to call their own mental-health expert, domestic-violence expert, a battered-woman expert, and that witness is going to testify that there is no typical behavior of women like this.

That -- and we saw this also in the Casey Anthony case, that people act in certain ways, abused women, women that are victims of domestic violence. And sadly, this is part of the defense strategy, is that because they are claiming self-defense, they are, to a certain extent, going to have to put the victim on trial here. And that`s exactly what the defense is doing.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Beth Karas, "In Session" correspondent, you`ve been in the courtroom. I`ve gotten a sense that it`s kind of scatter-shot. The prosecution is proving that she did some terrible things. Right after killing him, she goes and has a little nookie with this other guy across state lines.

But in the process, we`re also hearing some unflattering things about Travis Alexander. What exactly are we hearing? And could some of that work for the defense?

BETH KARAS, TRUTV`S "IN SESSION": Well, there are little tidbits the defense gets out of this. For example when Ryan Burns, her new love interest, was on the stand today, he talked about talking to Jodi Arias the -- on Tuesday evening. He was supposed to see her on Wednesday, but she`s at Travis`s on Wednesday. So she gets to Ryan Burns a day late, June 5, Thursday.

He`s talking to her Tuesday night, and she leads him to believe that she`ll be there. It`s a 12-hour drive from Pasadena. She will be there 12, maybe 15 hours; she`d stop and nap. And -- and so the defense wants the jury, I think they`ll argue, to believe that, for whatever reason, Jodi veered off and went to Mesa, Arizona. She did not set out this trip to go to Mesa, Arizona. It was not premeditated. She did not intend to even go to Arizona. She was going to see Ryan Burns in Utah.

So that`s something that goes in their favor. It doesn`t trash Travis. What came out today is, OK, he`s a flirt. He`s a flirt with the ladies. That was his reputation.

But Jodi, in a little bit played a conversation she had with a police officer on June 25, just before she was arrested. She said, "Travis was a good friend to everyone, even after we broke up."
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes, she says some nice things about Travis Alexander. So it`s absolutely extraordinary how much detail and how talkative she was with this detective. We`re still hearing more tape of her conversation with him. More on the other side.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: On June 9, 2008, Travis Alexander`s friends discovered his decomposing body in the shower of his master bathroom.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I`ve been advised that he`s dead in his bedroom. We -- we hadn`t heard from him for a while. We think he`s dead.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Did you -- I have to ask you this, did you kill Travis Alexander?

ARIAS: Absolutely not. No, I had no part in it.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: "I had no part in it," but then she changed and said it was a home invasion. And then after that, she said, "Yes, I was there, but it was self-defense."

Now we`re hearing that she high-tails it out of there after killing him and goes across state lines to Utah and canoodles, has nookie, whatever you want to call it. We`re coming up with more and more different cute ways of saying you know what. She`s making out with another guy after this killing, which is extraordinary.

The prosecution had a key piece of evidence that was brought in today. They really took the crime scene and brought it into court. Take a look at this. They actually took a piece of Travis Alexander`s carpet from his home, and they brought it into court and held it up.

This is -- they`re showing the photo, but they also took the actual carpet -- right there -- and they held it up to the point where the family of Travis Alexander was devastated, because they`re seeing his actual blood there.

I`ve got to just very quickly go to Beth Karas on this. That`s unusual, isn`t it, to bring an actual -- I mean, they had the photos. Why bring the actual carpet in?

KARAS: Well, I see it done. When they can, they`ll do it.

And you know, I was watching them handling that carpet, and the blood is soaked straight through the back. This is a thick carpet, and it was -- you could see a big blood stain on the back of it, as well. And it`s remarkable how big that deep red stain is. That`s where the state believes that his throat was slashed ear to ear, three to four inches deep, right back to the spine.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: All right. Let`s go to the phone lines. Jan, Florida, your question or thought? Jan, Florida.

CALLER: Hi, Jane.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Hey.

CALLER: I`m wondering about Jodi Arias` childhood. I haven`t heard anything about whether she came from a stable home, whether there were any traumas.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, Selin Darkalstanian, senior producer, we`ve heard that she had a boyfriend previously who had a good job, and he had a son. And we even saw a picture of him. And that she has no criminal record and that she was actually, at the time of this crime, living with her grandparents.

So, to all appearances, that`s what`s so crazy about this. She was not a bad girl in the sense of racking up some kind of rap sheet. She has a clean slate, correct?

DARKALSTANIAN: Right. She had no criminal history like you said, and we do know she was living with her grandparents. She comes from a really small town. It`s on the California/Oregon border, called Yreka. But, you know, she left, and she lived in other parts. You know, she lived in Palm Desert for a little bit and then she lived in Mesa. It sounds like just had some odd jobs here and there.

But aside from that, we haven`t heard much more. I can tell you her mom and her aunt and some family and friends have been in court every single day, sitting in the front row, you know, supporting her, sitting right behind her.

She has siblings. She has a sister and a brother. We haven`t seen them in court, but we`ve definitely seen her mom and her aunt in court every single day.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, that`s got to be a very awkward courtroom, as it is usually is in these kinds of cases with the victim`s family on one side and the defendant`s family on the other side.

And having been in court for these kinds of very high-powered trials, it`s very awkward. People have to use the bathroom, and they`re all of a sudden -- they`re going into the bathroom together, the opposing sides, and coming face to face. And it`s very emotionally charged.

More on the other side. And in fact, on the other side, we`re going to talk to some really, really good friends of Travis Alexander, particularly one of his very best friends who is speaking to us exclusively tonight. He has never spoken before because he`s been so distraught over what happened to his dear friend.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Or that she would always follow around him and the girls he was dating. And I`ve heard stories of her watching them sleep or heard stories of her watching through windows or doorways. And there is stories of also, allegedly, her slashing the tires two nights in a row outside of his girlfriend`s house.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: She arrives June 4th. She and Travis have sex and then she kills him leaving a trail of blood that goes from his bathroom to his bedroom and back again. Jodi stabs Travis 29 times and slits his throat from ear to ear to his spine and shoots him. Then she leaves his body in the shower where it is discovered five days later.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: A friend of ours is dead in his bedroom and we haven`t heard from him in a while. We think he`s dead.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: So where is Jodi Arias while Travis` body decomposes in his own shower? Jodi drives straight to Utah a 12-hur drive to visit another love interest, Ryan Burns, and they end up fooling around shortly after she arrives.

RYAN BURNS, FRIEND OF JODI ARIAS: From the second we woke up, we were kissing. She got on top of me pretty aggressively, and we were kissing.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: This has been an absolutely extraordinary day in court. You are taking a look by the way of some new photos that we have just gotten of Travis Alexander. And I was looking at the photos and they really show his charm and I think they show why he was so popular. You can almost feel his charisma through the photos, surrounded by friends, surrounded by some beautiful women as well, and he just has an expression that is charismatic. And that is how so many people describe him.

We have been talking about the gruesome testimony, the gruesome photos at the heart of this case, the wounds so violent they leave you wondering how could this sort of petite woman have done something to a much larger man? But listen to what the guy who fooled around with Jodi Arias hours after she killed Travis said about her powerful build. Check this out.

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BURNS: I complimented her on being very feisty and just kind of referring to she is a lot stronger than she looks.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Were you able to see her stomach in terms of whether or not she was in shape.

BURNS: Yes, close to a six pack, yes.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: So when the jurors look at this gruesome photographers and wonder how could a petite woman inflict this kind of damage on a larger man, don`t just think of size and weight. Yes she is only 5`4 and Travis was 5`9 but the prosecution is proving she was no delicate flower -- anything but.

I want to go to my exclusive guest Mark Brummet, Travis Alexander`s best friend, and this is the first time that Mark has spoken, because to my understanding he has been so upset about what has happened in this case.

And I want to thank you, Mark. I have been looking at some photos of you and Travis and other friends out and about and it is clear that you guys had a very tight close relationship.

We`ve been hearing audio recordings of Jodi Arias pretending that she knew nothing about Travis` death to the cops when in fact we all know that she was there and she killed him. And the question is was it self-defense or was it some kind of jealous rage as prosecutors contend. What bothers you most about how this entire thing has played out given that Travis Alexander is not here to defend himself or explain or put anything in context?

MARK BRUMMET, BEST FRIEND OF TRAVIS ALEXANDER: Well, I think that the hardest thing for me is just how much of an affect he had on not only myself but everyone that came into contact with him. You know, like you said, it is something that was so hard for me that four-plus years later I`m still crying about it. You know, it is not something that I like to think about. It`s not something I like to talk about.

And for her to take it so lightly and to just bounce from story to story it just shows the disconnect there, you know. People who actually had those true interactions with him; those people that he actually got to interact with and touch and change, you know, you can see that. You can see the difference there.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: As I have been reading about Travis, I have been touched by many things. One for example I happen to be a animal lover and I was reading on a blog of a friend of his, that he was a great animal lover and was fighting even for a cause that I have been fighting for a long time which is to help the treatment of farm animals in factory farms and stop keeping them in crates. Give us that sense of his heart.

BRUMMET: you know, Travis is one of those guys that -- he was extremely successful. He drove a BMW and when Honda Prius came out or Toyota Prius came out, he went and bought a Toyota Prius, because when he had time off, he wanted to see the world. And he could not stand going on a road trip in his BMW when he knew that he could be in a Toyota Prius and you know, saving the environment in that way.

You know, it wasn`t something that he just, he spoke about. I mean, he bought a Prius to go on road trips.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, another thing that I have in common with this victim, I have had two Priuses so far. I don`t even own a car right now, but I just want to say that you seem -- this seems very emotional for you. Obviously, it happened a long time ago in 2008, but why is this still really making you fight back tears essentially?

BRUMMET: Well, I think that the big thing is, you know, the interactions I had with Travis completely changed who I am today and I don`t mean that lightly by any means. You know, there are people that you meet that have a positive effect on you, and you remember them. But truly the person that I was and the person I am now is a direct effect from who Travis helped me to become.

I used to struggle with my self-confidence and I didn`t believe that I would ever have friends or that anyone would ever want to be friends with me -- I didn`t have anything to offer. And when I was on a road trip with Travis and you can see those pictures there where we went up through Utah, Travis had mentioned how he went to sleep listening to self-confidence tapes and stuff.

And I went to Travis and I said, I don`t want to overstep my bounds here, but I was wondering if you could help me out, you know? I don`t have what you have. And from that point on, Travis, he really took me under his wing and he helped me to develop not only self-confidence, but the ability to see the best in others.

You know, he was one of the guys that if you went to him complaining about someone, you would leave feeling bad about that, because he helped you to see the good qualities that the person had. And every day I think about Travis and I think about what I can do to make him proud of me. That is why it is so hard for me.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes. I hear how hard it is for you. Meanwhile, we have been paying attention to the defendant, Jodi Arias` appearance in court. And we are seeing look after look. Not only is she playing a "blame the victim" strategy by trying to paint Travis Alexander as some kind of a sex fiend, she has also been sort of manipulating her appearance. She was, day one, serious; this is day two, and then wearing a green outfit; and day three, she is wearing glasses all of the sudden.

Did her hearing suddenly and her eyesight suddenly go bad? I believe that she is trying to look less and less like a temptress and more and more like a prude, something like a librarian.

Dave Hall, you knew Travis Alexander, and also Jodi Arias; tell us what you think about the courtroom appearance?

DAVE HALL, FRIEND OF RYAN BURNS: Well, obviously, her defense attorneys have done some research on the first impression. They want to paint a picture to the jury that this is a feeble little, you know, bookworm that could no way do these horrible things unless her life was in jeopardy and it was self-defense. And I think most people that know her can see through this.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Let me ask Mark Brummet, if I may, I know you guys are right next to each other in Phoenix, Arizona. Travis Alexander has been painted as some kind of well, if you listen to the defense, a sexual deviant. But his friends who have taken the stand have said well, he was a lady`s man. He was very flirtatious. What can you tell us about that?

BRUMMET: Yes. Definitely people got along great with Travis. You know, him being a straight guy, he was interested in women, and he was very charismatic. He had a fun time with everybody, and I will say that if there`s anything that I knew about Travis, it is that I would trust him with my sister.

He is one of those guys where he may flirt with girls a lot. He may joke around. He may even take them on a date, but that`s going to be a date to Chili`s, you know. It`s going to be a date where he is respectful to them, and that was the extent of it, you know. I never met any female that was friends with him that I ever got a message different than that.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, thank you for sharing your experiences. I really, really appreciate it. And I know it is hard for you.

On the other side of the break, we are going to talk about Dave Hall`s experience with Jodi Arias who spent the night at his house.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: My heart just sank immediately; on the right-hand side I did end up seeing a pool of blood.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Has he been threatened by anyone recently?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes, he has. He has this ex-girlfriend that`s been bothering him. Her name is Jodi.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What was her demeanor like?

BURNS: She was fine. She was laughing about simple things and just like any other person. I never once felt there was anything wrong about the date.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: What an emotional day, and right now we are talking with two dear friends of the victim, Travis Alexander. Remember the defense has really tried to smear this man and the family of Travis Alexander are outraged. Well, now we are getting the other side. We are hearing from his friends who know him best about his character.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It says, "Hey, there, handsome. This is a test."

Her saying to you, "Hey, hottie biscotti, what`s new?"

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: Dave Hall a good friend of the deceased Travis Alexander, what`s your reaction to the word that we are getting that she killed Travis and then goes and fools around and makes out with another man within hours?

HALL: Well, I think it paints a pretty accurate description of the type of person that we are dealing with. I mean anyone that could kill anybody and then not be physically ill -- let alone how brutal it was, to then turn around and go have some type of romantic event within hours of basically barbarically brutally killing someone you professed your love to is beyond me.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: She spent the night at your house. What did you experience? What is she like?

HALL: Well, her and Travis had come up for vacation to Utah numerous times and every time they came to Utah they had a place to stay at my guest bedroom. And when they were up there, I really enjoyed Travis` company. And quite honestly Jodi spent an entire week at my house and I might have gotten three or four sentences out of her the entire time. She was just a mysterious person, and we can just add that to the list of reasons why we told Travis he could do better than this.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Mark Brummet, Travis Alexander`s dear, dear friend, if you had one thing to tell the world about Travis Alexander in his memory, what would you say?

BRUMMET: I would say, don`t underestimate yourself. You know, when I think of Travis I think of movies like "Coach Carter", "Remember the Titans" and even all those other sports movies where the underdog comes up and by the end of the movie, you just feel empowered. You want to go out there, you want to make the world a better place and you want to help people and you want to be your best self. And that was Travis` number one mission.

He said that he wanted to be on the cover of "Time" magazine, and it wasn`t because he thought he was better than other people. It was because he knew that was a display of how great he had become. And if I would have been on the cover of "Time" magazine a week before or week after, that wouldn`t have mattered to him, he would have been just as excited, because he would have known that I had become what I could possibly become. And that is what Travis would want from myself and from all of us.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Mark, I want to thank you so much for joining us tonight, and my heart goes out to you and everyone; Dave Hall, all of Travis Alexander`s friends.

HALL: Thank you.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: On the other side, we are going to examine this defense and sexual obsession.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Has he been threatened by anyone recently?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes, he has. He has an ex-girlfriend that has been bothering him and following him and slashing tires and things like that.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: On the other side of the break, we`re going to talk about what happened in court today. Prosecutors bring out an actual piece of the bloody carpet from Travis Alexander`s home. And we`re also going to talk to some experts in sex and romance about obsessive love and why Jodi was obsessed with Travis.

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JENNIFER WILLMOTT, JODI ARIAS` ATTORNEY: As Travis would explain to Jodi, oral sex really isn`t as much of a sin for him as vaginal sex. And so he was able to convince her to give him oral sex. And later in their relationship, Travis would tell her that anal sex really isn`t much of a sin as compared to vaginal sex. And so he was able to persuade her to allow him to have anal sex with her.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: Simone Bienne, psychosexual and relationship therapist, the defense is using a "smear the victim" defense and talking about their intimate sexual details as she alleges. Saying that they play games and that he made her wear a shirt that showed that she was his property and made her wear a French maid outfit around the house. And they claimed that he tied her up, none of which can be proved.

But there is a huge link between playing sex games and committing the kind of violence that we`ve seen in these crime photos. In fact, the two of them really aren`t connected at all, are they?

SIMONE BIENNE, RELATIONSHIP THERAPIST: Yes, exactly. The thing is people can pathologize these kind of sex games and actually there`s not necessarily pathological behavior. Sex is about power and control and most of us exchange power and control in our sexual relations in a very healthy and loving way. Even if there are some handcuffs involves or some tying up or anything like that.

The point is that what she is doing is she is painting, as you say Jane and all your experts have said, she is painting the victim and actually victims have an awful lot of power. So actually she could have been manipulating him by trying to get power over him by engaging in these sex games by doing what he wanted so that she could have control over him. We just don`t know the full story yet.

But what we do know is what I thought -- sorry, very quickly, Jane, what was very interesting was that somewhere I read that Travis actually said that he was nothing more than a sex toy with a beating heart. So we know that he is saying she wasn`t present in their sexual behavior. She wasn`t emotional. She was dead inside.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Speaking of that, we have that clip where there`s the prosecution showing that Travis felt that Jodi used him for sex. And this is a sexually-charged comment but let`s hear it, and it is, again, said in open court even though it`s graphic.

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JUAN MARTINEZ, PROSECUTOR: With regard to that reference involving that particular comment, why was that comment made as indicated in that document?

DET. ESTEBAN FLORES, MESA, ARIZONA POLICE: References to being used sexually by Miss Arias.

MARTINEZ: What is it saying?

FLORES: Specifically, let me read it from here. "I think I was little more than a (EXPLETIVE DELETED) with a heartbeat to you."

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: And so essentially that`s Travis Alexander saying that he feels used sexually, which is exactly what, Simone Bienne, psychosexual therapist said is that when a man and a woman engage in sex, consensual sex, and they`re playing games, it doesn`t mean that the man is always using the woman. A woman could be using the man. And it doesn`t really matter what their roles are in those sex games. They can be both.

It can be a very unlikely scenario as to who really has the power in that kind of relationship and, again, I think that it has nothing to do with killing someone. The games that are played in the bedroom do not correlate to violence in the bathroom or in the hallway.

More on the other side.

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BURNS: It just seemed like they were just on the way to breaking up and they kind of hooked up a few times after they had broken up.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: Psychologist Michelle Ward, host of Discovery Investigation or "Investigation Discovery", stalked -- you just heard it, they were both trying to break up. So many people the relationship goes toxic and for some reason they still cannot break up and just really go their separate ways. Why?

MICHELLE WARD, PSYCHOLOGIST: You know, the "why" is the problem and we don`t know why. They come from -- stalkers come from different backgrounds. She really presented pretty typical like a typical female stalker until she killed him and then she looks exactly like a psychopath - - completely devoid of remorse, empathy, guilt. And she seems like she`s antithesis of who he was. She`s the opposite of who Travis was who was a very empathetic, kind person.

The defense is going to do what they have to do. They have limited avenues to take given the damning evidence that`s there. So yes, she is trying to play the -- she is trying to play the victim card but she doesn`t fit that profile. She fits the profile of a scorned stalker and then a psychopathic murderer.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Anahita Sedaghatfar, criminal defense attorney, your final thought on her defense?

ANAHITA SEDAGHATFAR, CRIMINAL DEFENSE ATTORNEY: My thoughts are that this is not a whodunit. We already know that she committed this crime. The issue really is going to be self-defense. And, to be honest with you, I think the strongest thing she has going for her is her appearance. She is an attractive, young, petite, seemingly demure young lady and the defense is hoping that at least one of the jurors will have sympathy for her and spare her, her life.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Joey Jackson, 20 seconds.

JOEY JACKSON, CRIMINAL DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Do not demonize the victim overly if you`re the defense here. It can backfire. He died a very brutal death. I think the jurors are sympathetic of that and demonizing him, I think, is problematic.

Finally there had better be some corroboration for the allegations of his sexual deviancy, otherwise that will be a further problem.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes. The jury may get very angry that the defense is blaming the victim. They don`t like that.

Nancy is next.

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DR. DREW

Arias: Deadly Details

Aired January 9, 2013 - 21:00   ET

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DR. DREW PINSKY, HOST (voice-over): Another shocking twist in the trial of Jodi Arias. Today`s testimony showed that just hours after killing Travis Alexander, she went to be with another man.

And what the jury saw today. More bloody crime scene evidence. Is the jury influenced by her claim of self-defense after having seen such graphic pictures?
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PINSKY: First up, though, we are getting into this Jodi Arias case. Relationship coach Laura Baron joins me this week.

Now, Laura, the day after Jodi Arias kills Travis Alexander, she has said she did this, she goes to visit another man, Ryan Burns, and here`s what he said in court today about their sexual encounter just hours after she in fact murdered Travis. Take a look.

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RYAN BURNS, TESTIFIED TO KISSING JODI ARIAS THE NEXT DAY: At some point, I mean, we were talking and we kissed -- eventually we kissed probably many times. Every time we started kissing, it got a little more escalated.

She was kissing my neck. I was kissing hers. But the clothes never came off. I never touched her breasts or anything like that.

At one point I had my hands on her thighs. She was -- you know, things were -- she definitely seemed to be into the moment. As she got on top of me, pretty aggressively, and we were kissing.

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PINSKY: All right. Laura, I want you to give a woman`s perspective. This young lady brutally kills a guy. Viciously.

LAURA BARON, RELATIONSHIP COACH: Lady.

PINSKY: A lady indeed.

BARON: Yes.

PINSKY: Viciously kills a guy, then heads on over to this guy`s house and assaults him sexually. Good times.

BARON: Yes. Well, I`m sure he had a good time. I mean, I`m sure there was a little roughness in that, let`s be honest. Let`s just say. But I have such a difficult time feeling any sort of sympathy for this girl, especially after three different excuses she throws up the abuse excuse.

And for all of the women who are actually in abusive relationships, I feel like she`s just making a mockery of it. Woman to woman, I have no sympathy. Nothing.

PINSKY: So you can`t find anything sympathetic about this girl? Let`s say this guy had been abusing her in some way. She snapped. Even so, forget it?

BARON: If he had been abusing her, but I`ve got to tell you, Drew, I don`t buy it. I`m just not buying it.

PINSKY: I`m with you on that. I am. "In Session`s" Beth Karas joins us now.

All right. Bring us up-to-date and tell us the significant of Ryan Burns` testimony today.

BETH KARAS, IN SESSION: I think you really have hit the nail on the head here. It`s her demeanor and behavior just hours after this brutal killing. The state wanted the jury to see that this is a woman who is a cold and calculated murderer. Of course the defense says I`m not, you know, she`s not a murder, this is self-defense, she killed him because she had to.

But he also said he saw some cuts on her fingers which were bandaged. And she said she cut her hand at work on a glass. And she was only there for 15 hours. So, it was really just to kind of put her before the jury, her demeanor the day after the killing.

PINSKY: And, Beth, let me ask you something. I`m going to ask you to respond as a woman, because this case is sort of generating a lot of feelings in women today. Do you react to this woman in any way to help me understand who she is or what prompted this behavior?

KARAS: You know, we don`t know a lot about her. We know she was in a four-year relationship and then when she met -- and she was living with this man. And then when she met Travis Alexander within a week or so, they were still living in the same home but apart from each other apparently and then it ended right away.

So, she fell very hard for Travis Alexander. We don`t know if she carried on this way with other men, though, this stalking behavior, this obsessive behavior. But I do know that her parents told the police that she was hard to control as an adolescent, was always running away, and she dropped out of high school. But she didn`t have a criminal record.

But as a woman this obsessive behavior, the stalking, I mean, I really can`t relate to it, but maybe she saw him as a meal ticket for her because he was a very successful young man.

PINSKY: Beth, you have to think with pathology in your soul. You have to think about somebody who`s not well.

Laura has admitted to a little stalking behavior here and there. She admitted to it --

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PINSKY: -- in younger years.

This is excessive stalking. What came out in court for me made me start to think about dissociative identity disorder.

BARON: Which is what?

PINSKY: Which used to be called -- thank -- by the way, thank you, Beth Karas, for keeping us up-to-date in the courtroom. We really do appreciate it.

Dissociate identity disorder is what used to be called multiple personality disorder.

BARON: Oh, yes.

PINSKY: So literally it`s kind of complicated but one person goes under and another one emerges. One can be a psychopathic killer. One can be a kindergarten teacher. One can be gay and one can be straight. One can be male, one can be female.

And all these different personalities emerge with time. And literally when one is control, in control, let`s say the guy who went to --

BARON: So there`s two personalities.

PINSKY: There may be many, many, many. Many personalities. There`s usually an executive personality.

Look at her in court crying. Look at that, Laura.

BARON: Yes.

PINSKY: Do you feel like those tears are from a deep place? Do you connect to an emotion there? Or do you feel like that`s just somebody who`s crying because, well --

BARON: I definitely feel like she`s removed, if that`s what you`re saying.

PINSKY: It`s fascinating you say removed because, again, a dissociative person would be upset and angry and removed from what happened and yet reacting to what some part of her did. So, it literally is a disorder of being removed.

BARON: So there`s a part of her that knows that she boiled the bunny.

PINSKY: Boiled the bunny and I can`t believe it, could that really have happened, oh, I`m so ill, oh, my -- woe is me.

BARON: Is that why she`s crying in all of the pictures? Because she recognizes that something is guilty --

PINSKY: Maybe. Or she`s a true psychopath and is just behaving the way she thinks she should behave, emotions that a normal person would emit if, say, they weren`t guilty.

BARON: So which girl do you think he was dating? Because I bet that guy liked a little crazy.

PINSKY: Well, he got it. He certainly got that.

BARON: Yes, he did.

PINSKY: Again, you`re scaring me a little, Laura.

But joining us now, Judge Karen Mills Francis, author of "Stay in Your Lane: Judge Karen`s Guides to Your Best Life." And criminal defense attorney, he has a Web site, speaktomark.com, Mark Eiglarsh.

All right. Karen, what does it do to Jodi`s case to know that she killed a man viciously, I mean, just brutally, and then goes and hangs out with another guy and doesn`t seem fazed in the least?

JUDGE KAREN MILLS FRANCIS, "STAY IN YOUR LANE" AUTHOR: Well, you know, I think, and you should know this, I know you know this, dr. Drew, is when there is a dysfunctional relationship, usually that dysfunction is going on both ways. You know, in an alcoholic relationship usually somebody is an enabler.

The victim grew up in a home with two drug addict parents and spent a lot of his childhood homeless, in and out of homeless shelters, sometimes living in his car. That`s what I read about him.

So we don`t know what mental dynamics he brought to this relationship. But it was honestly a very dysfunctional relationship. I mean, she slashed his tires twice. She hacked into his Facebook page. She`s sending threatening e-mails to his girlfriends. She`s following him when he`s on dates.

And yet at 4:00 in the morning when she shows up, he welcomes her in and they have sex.

PINSKY: Yes. Karen, you are so right on with that. I mean, it takes two. And what I always say is that the traumas of the past attract us to a certain kind of people and certain kinds of situations. And why was he attracted to her? Laura says he liked crazy.

MILLS-FRANCIS: Yes.

PINSKY: That`s one way of sort of summarizing and making it easy to understand that. But the reason he liked crazy is he grew up with crazy.

BARON: Of course.

MILLS-FRANCIS: He grew up with crazy. It feels comfortable, familiar.
PINSKY: Mark, do you agree with all that?

MARK EIGLARSH, CRIMINAL DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Sounds good to me. But you know, who knows better is someone like yourself. You know, I`m only as good as the experts that I can call on a case.

And I`d like to put you on call right now and ask you, Drew. If I called you as a defense expert and I asked you to support the defense theory which they`re advancing, that somehow this was domestic violence related, it was self-defense, she finally just exploded. I`m putting you on the spot. What would you tell the jury to support the defense theory?

PINSKY: Now, remember, this is not my personal belief. This is me working for you, Mark.

EIGLARSH: Yes, that`s correct.

PINSKY: I would bring up exactly what Judge Karen just brought up and talk about the probability of that trauma inducing aggression and potential violence in him, which we don`t know if he had. I don`t want to -- I hate this idea of making the victim -

EIGLARSH: Right.

PINSKY: I hate it. It disgusts me. But you put me on the spot here.

EIGLARSH: But their expert is going to give facts that is going to support this theory.

PINSKY: That`s going to happen. And then I would talk about her having been triggered by al that and sort of playing it and maybe dissociating. All right, guys.

BARON: You don`t take responsibility away from anybody.

PINSKY: Well, unfortunately, you are on to something there, Laura.

BARON: All right. Next up, the tape played in court, Jodi talking to police after the killing and a physician who used the courtroom evidence to recreate the viciousness of Travis Alexander`s death.

And later, binge drinking putting large numbers of women in danger. That`s right, their lives in danger. This also harkens to our topics of the Steubenville, Ohio case.

All of that after this.

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ZACK BILLINGS, FOUND TRAVIS ALEXANDER`S BODY: They did end up seeing a pool of blood and looked down the hallway and saw just blood strewn throughout the hallway. I ended up going into the closet that`s adjacent to the hallway, and it opens up to the bathroom as well. And that`s when I saw his body, and I came back out, and I just told everybody, he`s dead. Call 911.

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PINSKY: And that was one of Travis Alexander`s roommates talking about what he saw when he found Travis`s body after a brutal murder.

Mark first, then Karen -- what do you guys think the effect of seeing and hearing al this graphic evidence is doing to the jury?

EIGLARSH: It does the same thing in this case as it does in every single gruesome, atrocious, and cruel homicide case. It absolutely makes them more likely to want to hold responsible. That`s the human response.

And I don`t know. The defense in this case, I don`t see it. And I think you take the atrocious nature of this defense. You add in the fact that they`re blaming a guy who would have given you the shirt off his back according to witnesses, who`s like just a perfect type of fella, and you get an angry jury willing to convict and they`re going to then bring that into the penalty phase eventually and hold that against her.

PINSKY: Karen, do you agree, is this really about keeping her out of the death sentence?

MILLS-FRANCIS: Well, I think this defendant is in trouble --

PINSKY: Go ahead.

MILLS-FRANCIS: I think this defendant was in trouble before these pictures even came into evidence. I mean, for God`s sake, she`s given three different stories. I wasn`t there. Oh, yes, I was there, but then there were two masked people that came in and killed him. Oh, well, no, that didn`t happen, he beat me up. Oh, yes, I went to work after that at a Margaritaville and cut my hand and then went and made out with one of his co-workers. I think it --

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PINSKY: Thank you. By the way, thank you, Karen. By laying it all out like that you see how ridiculous it is. You`re right. Lies and lies.

MILLS-FRANCIS: No jury is going to -- no jury is going to convict me. So she`s already built a hole for herself. These pictures just throw more dirt into that hole.

PINSKY: I wonder if the control room could please put alongside of me here the pictures of her with her attorney today because people are very fascinated by how alike she`s made herself up very much like her attorney. And when you see the two of them relating to each other, there`s the picture coming up now. Let`s see if we can get the attorney in the picture.

It`s un -- it`s spooky how much she wears the coloration, the glasses, and moves with and mirrors the attorney in a way that kind of gets spooky.

And my theory about dissociative identity disorder kind of fits with that, where people are so empty that they are just chameleon-like and take on the people they`re around. She sees the attorney as someone she needs to emulate because -- there she is. See how they`re kind of -- it`s just - - if you think of it in those terms, it gets spooky. But I`m going to bring in another guest.

Laura, you wanted to add something?

BARON: I just think it`s interesting they think she looks more psycho blond than brunette.

PINSKY: Who`s they?
BARON: One for the brunettes. Right?

PINSKY: What you`re saying is you shouldn`t die your hair blond is what you`re saying.

BURNETT: This is true.

PINSKY: Joining me to get further into this is a board-certified pathologist, Dr. Bill Lloyd. He`s performed over 500 autopsies.

Dr. Lloyd, thanks for joining us today.

Based on your experience, can you lay out for me -- just let`s forget that -- this is not a court of law. This is viewers and TV trying to make sense of this. Just paint the scene for me. Who was she? What kind of condition was she in? What does she do to this guy? What was the sequence?

DR. BILL LLOYD, PATHOLOGIST AND SURGEON: Yes, every autopsy tells a story, including a murder autopsy. And I call this story reverse psycho.

Oh, yes. There was mayhem in the bathroom. But this time, the pretty woman was outside the shower. And she was the one that was wielding the knife.

Now, we have to understand the sequence of these injuries because they tell the story as to where the body was and how it ended up back in the shower. So this gentleman, Travis, took a couple of stabs perhaps to the back first, turning around and protecting himself. A defensive posture --

PINSKY: That`s the hand -- there are the hand injuries we`re looking at right now. Good. He tried to defend himself and pow, she attacks him.

BARON: So gross.

LLOYD: There`s two of them. There`s the active defensive posture. That`s the cut that`s right down in the webbing there. He`s actively defending himself.

And then on the back of the hand as he covers his face the knife cuts --

PINSKY: Go back to that one if you would to see that.

LLOYD: And those are called passive defensive injuries.

PINSKY: Got it.

LLOYD: So he`s had a couple of injuries now. Hands, on his back. And then comes the big lunge into his chest.

Now, Drew, you`re a doctor. You know, the human body, how about five quarts of blood?

And when you get near the major vessel like the vena cava, up in the middle of the chest --

PINSKY: Yes.

LLOYD: -- your blood circulates through there six times per minute. Six times five, 30. That means he starts bleeding at a horrendous rate of 30 gallons a minute. He doesn`t last a minute.

PINSKY: Doesn`t last long.

LLOYD: There`s an enormous amount of blood. So now he`s --

PINSKY: Have you seen the neck footage? I wanted to show it tonight. I thought it was important. I really did.

BARON: It`s gross.

PINSKY: But the network -- it`s not gross. It is gross -- but it`s not gross but our job is to examine what happened here. When you see it, she cut him right up along the neck line all the way across down to his spine. It was uncanny -- did you see those pictures, Dr. Lloyd?

LLOYD: I did. And it`s a very clumsy Mafioso attempt to slit this gentleman`s throat.

But you bring up the very important point, layer upon layer. What kind of person? I`ll ask you. You are America`s expert on this behavior. What kind of person is it that stabs somebody in the chest, then slits their throat and then later shoots them in the head?

PINSKY: Yes.

LLOYD: You mentioned dissociative behavior. What about borderline personality and that connection?

PINSKY: I agree with you. I think this is sort of -- again, I don`t want to cast aspersions on people with borderline. It`s a common condition. Doesn`t mean they`re going to be murderers.

But as you get into the severe borderline with love addiction, with a history of aggression, with perhaps violence perpetrated against her, they said she ran -- Karen tells us that she ran away from home as a child. That`s not normal behavior. Something was already going on.

And there`s none of the psychopathic antecedents like torturing animals or showing absolutely no empathy. There`s more of a chameleon-like sort of person here, and that is more in that borderline spectrum here to the point of what they call dissociative identity disorder.

Let me ask Mark. If the defense were wise, would they want to stay away from those kinds of explanations or is that something they should try to use?

EIGLARSH: They`re going to use it in the penalty phase once she`s convicted. All that becomes relevant to try to save her life, try to create some mitigators, reasons why they shouldn`t kill her versus the aggravators, which are obvious in this case. You don`t bring that up in the case in chief. They`re alleging self-defense. They`re alleging he was the aggressor and they`re just going to trash him throughout the trial, hope that it works.

It won`t. And then we`ll go into the penalty phase where they`ll bring all that in.

PINSKY: Laura, here`s what I want to do. You seem -- you`re worked up about all this, yes?

BARON: Well, first of all, this is so disgusting. I mean, to look at all the pictures --

PINSKY: There`s him in the bathroom now.

BARON: That was nauseating. I`m equally nauseous again.

PINSKY: It`s sick but this is what happens. If we`re going to examine this thing we have to unflinchingly look at this. Don`t bring our kids in the room to talk about it, but let`s -- if we`re going to look at this let`s look.

BARON: I agree. But I`m going to flinch.

PINSKY: Yes, yes. I`m not saying I want to look at it. Just if we`re going to do this, let`s do this.

BARON: Right. But all of those things you that talked about, like her running away and all of those like -- all of that craziness, addiction in her family earlier.

PINSKY: Yes.


BARON: -- isn`t that enough? I know you guys are talking about dissociative and borderline. But all the of those things, isn`t that enough to just make her go --

PINSKY: Yes. It is all those things. What are the circumstances where someone could be out of their head quite literally? These are some of the conditions where that could happen. What Dr. Lloyd is referring to is borderline rage. Is that not what you meant?

LLOYD: Right.

PINSKY: Borderline rage.

LLOYD: But, you know, she has planned this, Drew. She planned this.

PINSKY: Yes.

LLOYD: This had been all laid out. This was no snap decision. She`d been stalking this guy for a very long time.

PINSKY: And that`s that rage that`s unremitting and just consuming. It`s very different than some of these other sorts of crimes we`ve been talking about. Now, we`ve got lots of great calls coming in. I want to hear from you. The phone number is 855-DRDREW5.

And later, another thing that`s still got me upset is, of course, that Ohio case where the 16-year-old girl was allegedly raped by two teenage boys. There`s now some studies that have just come out connecting binge drinking and young girls with precisely these sorts of outcomes.

We`ll talk about that. Stay with us.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

PINSKY: OK. Now, we are discussing the Jodi Arias case, and we are getting into it a little bit. I want to remind people what I`m trying to explain is this idea she may have an identity disorder where she sort of takes on people she`s around or may have these other identities that are sort of hidden within her that come out or one dates this guy, another dates another guy. It`s a very complicated disorder.

You still want to know, Laura, which one the victim was dating.

BARON: Right.

PINSKY: The sex addict.

BARON: And rightfully so.

PINSKY: There we go. Cynthia -- I`m going to go right to calls. Cynthia in New Jersey. Cynthia, go ahead.

CYNTHIA, CALLER FROM NEW JERSEY: Yes, I`ve got one word for you, Dr. Drew. Psychopath.

BARON: Yes.

CYNTHIA: Is her and Casey Anthony friends? They`re very similar. They`re both chronic liars. They both claim abuse.

You know? I mean, it`s ridiculous.

PINSKY: And, Karen, weren`t you saying earlier that it was the victim that had a history that was pretty chaotic in his childhood?

MILLS-FRANCIS: Yes. It was the victim who had the history. But you know what I`m willing to bet you, Dr. Drew? That once this jury convicts this defendant we`re going to hear about the type of childhood and life she grew up with, because I believe that they probably should have gone on some sort of defense of temporary insanity.

PINSKY: Yes.

MILLS-FRANCIS: Because I believe issues of her mental state are going to be an issue in the death phase of this case. So why are we talking about that now? We created this smoke screen with domestic violence when the real issue is that you are dealing with somebody with some sort of serious emotional disconnect.

She planned to kill him when she went there because she had a gun and she had a knife. But guess what? She sexed him up before she killed him. Who does that?

PINSKY: Well --

BARON: Somebody with manners.

PINSKY: This chick does. That`s the bottom line.

Listen to this tape from a police interview with Jodi Arias two weeks after she killed Jodi -- after she killed Travis. Watch this.

(BEGIN AUDIO CLIP)
JODI ARIAS, ALLEGED MURDERER: I shouldn`t have done it but I grabbed his phone and I looked at his text messages. And I found, there were tons of girls that I`d never heard of. And I knew that he knew a lot of people from the business. So I didn`t worry too much about it.

There were like plans, like things like where do you want to meet? I don`t know. Where`s the best place for us -- wherever the best place for to us make out is.

(END AUDIO CLIP)

PINSKY: All right, Laura. You react to that. That`s what she came across. Made you pretty angry, right?

BARON: Well, it is just -- you know what it is? It`s that she gives girls that have moments of psychotic notions a really bad name. You know? I mean, as we were saying yesterday, everybody has their crazy moments. But can`t you have good sex and not slit the dude`s throat 27 times?

PINSKY: I guess that`s the question we`re asking.

Mark, let me go to you. Mark, this is, again, some of the Casey Anthony-esque qualities of this case, being defensive, trying to explain away just egregious behaviors.

EIGLARSH: Yes. Well, the analogy stops because the evidence in Casey Anthony, according to those jurors, fell short of showing exactly how this happened. In this particular case it`s not a whodunit. We know exactly how it took place.

And I agree with Judge Karen. The defense should have been -- and it wouldn`t have worked, by the way, should have been some type of insanity defense. It wouldn`t have worked. But winning in this case from a defense perspective is defined by doing everything you can to get the best possible outcome.

That defense, insanity, wouldn`t work. Neither is this going to work. But you`re trying to save her life. So by having the mental -- the state of mind come out during the guilt phase, that then will flow over into the penalty phase.

PINSKY: Got it. I want to bring panel --

EIGLARSH: You don`t insult the victim the way they`re doing.

PINSKY: I get it. Hey, Dr. Lloyd, before I let you go, I want you to hold up that knife again for me.

LLOYD: You bet.

PINSKY: And tell me this.

EIGLARSH: No.

PINSKY: Is this -- is this likely to be the kind of weapon that she used?

LLOYD: In order to reach the vena cava, this thing`s going to have to be more than four or five inches in depth. And again, remember-w that cut on the hand, it`s clear that Travis was trying to actively stop the knife. He didn`t do a good enough job.

PINSKY: Please be careful. You`re making me feel the willies here.

All right. Thank you. Mark Eiglarsh and Dr. Lloyd. We will be talking much more about this case in the days to come. Please keep watching.
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PINSKY: And the Jodi Arias case is not going anywhere. We will stay on top of that.

BARON: Oh, yes.

PINSKY: I think we`re all going to be glued to the television as that sort of --

BARON: She riles me up, Drew.

PINSKY: Yes, it`s interesting. Does she -- let me ask one quick question.

BARON: Yes.

PINSKY: Does she evoke violent fantasies in you?

BARON: I mean, what are the violent fantasies --

PINSKY: Well, like you`d want to -- I don`t mean sexual fantasies.

BARON: No, I know.

PINSKY: Like I want to strangle her --

BARON: But I really do -- it bothers me. It most bothers me that she uses now abuse as a defense.

PINSKY: Well, she hasn`t yet. She hasn`t yet. And listen, I`m just saying I think she`s so empty inside that she takes on all these personas and we`re going to learn about that --

BARON: And women, I think, have a very difficult time even relating to her.

PINSKY: We`ll find out more about her, I think, in the penalty phase than in the actual trial.

BARON: Yes.

PINSKY: Thank all my guests tonight. I really do appreciate all the input. Of course, those of you who called, we had excellent calls tonight.

BARON: Yes.

PINSKY: And, of course, as well, the viewers at home, we appreciate your watching and staying with us. It`s going to be interesting next week. A reminder, "Nancy Grace" is up next. She starts right now.

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Jodi Arias Caught Lying to Cops in Recorded Phone Calls
January 10, 2013

(PHOENIX) — Jodi Arias blatantly lied to police who asked her about Travis Alexander’s death, telling them in recorded phone calls that she kept trying to call and message Alexander the week of his death but never heard back from him.

The phone calls were played on Wednesday as evidence during the fourth day of Arias’ trial, in which she is charged with murder and could face the death penalty if convicted of killing Alexander in a “depraved and heinous” way.  Arias has admitted to killing her former boyfriend, but claims it was self-defense.

During the phone conversations played in court, Arias can be heard telling Mesa, Ariz., detective Esteban Flores that she last talked to Alexander on Tuesday, June 3, 2008, around 10 p.m.  She had been in Los Angeles, about to leave to go to Utah to visit a new love interest, she said.

After June 3, he stopped calling her back, she said.

“On Tuesday night (I talked to him), it was brief though, 10 o’clock maybe.  I’d say 10 p.m. or 9-9:30.  I was calling people because I was bored on the road.  He was nice and cordial, but kind of acting like he had hurt feelings,” Arias said.

“I may have called him Wednesday, from the road, and I sent him a couple of text messages, and a couple of pictures,” she said, though Alexander didn’t pick up and his voice mailbox was full.  “That’s unusual.  He deletes all of his messages.  I didn’t want to be obsessive about it because we’re not together anymore and I didn’t like to call too much.”

According to court records, Arias, 32, actually went to Alexander’s home in Mesa on Wednesday morning.  There, the pair had sex and took graphic photos of one another with Alexander’s camera.

Then, Arias is believed to have killed Alexander, 30, in his shower by stabbing him, slashing his throat from ear to ear, and shooting him in the head.

In the phone conversations, Arias told Flores that she considered calling Alexander’s friends when he stopped returning her calls on Wednesday, but didn’t want to act like “his mother.”
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http://radaronline.com/exclusives/2013/01/jodi-arias-trial-livestream/

In case anyone is interested in watching the trial.

Both Jodi Arias and Casey Anthony are serial liars.  JMHO
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http://abcnews.go.com/US/jodi-arias-lied-place-work-relationship-killing/story?id=18181593
Jodi Arias Lied About Her Job, Relationship and Killing, Testimony Shows
January 10, 2013

Jodi Arias lied about her relationship with Travis Alexander, where she was when Alexander was killed, and even where she worked as a bartender, according to the case laid out by prosecutors in her murder trial.

Prosecutors opened the fifth day of her trial by using Arias' receipts for food, gas and a car rental that essentially tracked her movements in the days before and after Alexander's murder on June 4, 2008.

The testimony today also showed that Arias had lied to her new boyfriend Ryan Burns about working at a bar called Margaritaville in her hometown of Yreka, Calif.

"Is there any restaurant in Yreka called Margaritaville? Has there ever been?" prosecutor Juan Martinez asked Nathaniel Mendes, a former detective with the Siskiyou County Sheriff's Office in California.

"No, sir," Mendes replied.

The testimony is apparently intended to bolster the prosecution's portrayal of Arias as a serial liar who continually denied her involvement in Alexander's death until she eventually confessed to killing him months after his bloody body was found at his home in Mesa, Ariz.
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Arias claims Alexander was a controlling and abusive "sexual deviant" who she was forced to kill in self-defense.

But in testimony today and Wednesday, prosecutors pointed out several lies Arias told around the time she killed Alexander.

Mendes testified that Arias worked at a restaurant called Casa Ramos in Yreka, not a Margaritaville bar that she told Burns. Mendes also went over receipts showing that Arias rented a car the day before she killed Alexander, and noted that she went to a rental outfit 90 miles from her hometown despite two businesses that rented cars in Yreka.

Arias told friends and investigators that she rented a car to go on a road trip to visit Burns, in West Jordan, Utah, on June 3, 2008. She showed up to Burns' house a day late with cuts on her hands, but told Burns that she got lost driving and that the cuts were from broken glass at her Margaritaville bar tending job, according to Burn's testimony Wednesday.

The trail of receipts showed that Arias drove from California to Alexander's hometown of Mesa on Tuesday, June 4, 2008.

There, the pair had sex and took sexually graphic photos of one another, according to photographs and the opening statement of Arias' lawyer. Shortly after the tryst, Arias killed Alexander, both sides agree.

Burns testified that Arias never mentioned going to Alexander's house when she arrived at his home in Utah. He said he did not know that Arias and Alexander were still sexually involved, and that she told him they had broken up.

When she arrived at his home, just 24 hours after killing Alexander, she seemed "normal," he said. The pair kissed and cuddled, and went out with Burns' friends, where she laughed and made conversation.

Prosecutors have also played recorded phone conversations between detectives and Arias in the weeks after Alexander's body was found. She can be heard lying multiple times to investigators as they ask about the last time she spoke with Alexander and her trip to Utah.
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NANCY GRACE

Jodi Arias Murder Trial Day 4

Aired January 9, 2013 - 20:00   ET

THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.


NANCY GRACE, HOST: Breaking news tonight, Mesa, Arizona. They meet on a trip for work to Vegas and fall hard. But when the flame burns out and they break up, she then moves 300 miles to get back together, to pursue him, even converting to Mormonism to get her man.

Then 30-year-old Travis Alexander`s found slumped dead in the shower of his five-bedroom home, shot, stabbed 29 times, violence so brutal, it resembles a mob hit.

Bombshell tonight. We learn just hours after Arias stabs her 30-year-old lover, Travis Alexander, to death in the shower, Arias has sexual contact with a brand-new boyfriend, egging the new boyfriend on sexually, even climbing on top of him as if nothing is wrong. And the whole time, Travis Alexander`s body is decomposing in a damp shower stall!

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: But the key witness today is Ryan Burns.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: A former friend of Jodi Arias who she had a romantic relationship with.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: He lived in Salt Lake City. She went up to see him...

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: About 12 hours after Travis was murdered.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Did this kissing continue or did it just stop at one kiss?

RYAN BURNS, FORMER LOVER OF JODI ARIAS: Eventually, we kissed probably many times. Every time we started kissing, it got a little more escalated.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Never mentioned a word about what happened.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What was her demeanor? Was she upset? Was she happy?

BURNS: She was fine. She was laughing at simple little things. I never once felt there was anything wrong.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: As soon as the door was opened...

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: My heart just sank. And I did end up seeing a pool of blood.

JODI ARIAS, CHARGED WITH MURDER: I`ve heard all kinds of rumors. They said there was a lot of blood.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The body was found in the shower.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Did you notice (INAUDIBLE) actually had any injuries or cuts on one of hands?

BURNS: She told me she worked at Margaritaville and she had cut her finger. She broke a glass.

ARIAS: ... hurt Travis. I would never hurt Travis. I would never harm him physically.

BURNS: Complimented her on being very feisty.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Travis`s family and friends say Jodi was stalking him in the months before the murder.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Somebody had mentioned that Jodi might quite possibly be involved, and then I started connecting the dots.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: Good evening. I`m Nancy Grace. I want to thank you for being with us.

Bombshell tonight. Just hours after Arias stabs her 30-year-old lover, Travis Alexander, to death in the shower, Arias actually has sex contact with a brand-new boyfriend, egging him on sexually, even climbing up on top of him to get him to keep going, as if nothing is wrong. The whole time that she`s making out with this guy, Travis Alexander`s body is decomposing in a damp shower stall, and she is carrying on normally as if nothing has happened!

A positive ID of a palm print, Arias`s bloody palm print, Alexander`s blood, her palm print in Travis Alexander`s home. Now, how did that happen?

This as she goes so far -- as I`m talking to you, we are digesting police recordings of Arias. When they first questioned her, she refers to Travis Alexander as commitment-phobic. Hello! You`re the axe murderer. No wonder he doesn`t want to commit to you!

Straight out to Christina Estes, anchor with KTAR. Christina, thank you for being with us. What happened today? It`s like a bombshell every couple of minutes in the courtroom!

CHRISTINA ESTES, KTAR RADIO (via telephone): Bombshell is certainly an appropriate word today, Nancy. People who haven`t even been following this case closely, just regular folks here in the Phoenix area, heard about this testimony today and really are speechless.

Ryan Burns, pivotal, pivotal witness for the prosecution because people, again, who haven`t been following this word by word, say, How do you say that you -- this is in self-defense, and then 24 hours later, you`re making out with some guy?

GRACE: Joining me right now, straight off the witness stand, the former lover of Jodi Arias who underwent direct and cross-examination under oath today. Ryan Burns is with us. This is, repeat, the former lover of Jodi Arias. He was kept on the witness stand for hours today.

Take a listen to some of what came out under oath.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The first episode of sexual interaction that you`d ever had with her?

BURNS: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You didn`t -- did you have any sexual interaction in Oklahoma City?

BURNS: No.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And the kissing -- about what time of the day was it?

BURNS: Probably 3:00, 4:00 PM.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And she arrived at what time?

BURNS: 10:00 or 11:00 -- 10:00 or 11:00.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: So within five hours of arriving, and you`d never seen her before, this interaction is taking place?

BURNS: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And you said, Well, we talked about cuddling. Do you remember that?

BURNS: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Does cuddling include her moving you around and getting on top of you and grinding on your pelvis?

BURNS: No.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Is that what you mean?

BURNS: We never talked about that.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: But is that what cuddling means?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Objection. Asked and answered (INAUDIBLE)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Overruled. He may answer.

BURNS: No.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What is cuddling?

BURNS: I mean, just snuggling up to a movie.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: This is just hours after Travis Alexander is stabbed to death, stabbed in the heart, his skull nicked with a knife, shot in the face. They had to dig the bullet out of his face. And then she drives hours on end to have a sex encounter, sex contact with a brand-new boyfriend. Whoa!

OK, Ryan Burns, thank you for being with us. You know, how -- you were this close to undergoing this yourself. There is this woman really egging you on. You`re the one that stopped with the sexual activity. You`re the one that stopped and went, Whoa, whoa, let`s just wait a minute.

She had come straight from stabbing Travis Alexander to death. I want to hear the whole thing. How did you people meet?

BURNS: We met a few months prior to that at an Oklahoma convention, at the Cox Convention Center. There was 10,000, maybe 15,000 legal shield (ph) associates that we all work with. I`m from Salt Lake City. Jodi`s from California, was at the time. I didn`t know her. We met at that convention. Obviously, there`s tens -- over 10,000 people there.

But we have very close circles of trainers, the people that got us started. And so we had a breakout session. That`s where maybe about 50 to 100 of us got together at some point. And after that event, I had received, like, a rising star award. And some time after that, Jodi approached me.

We started chatting with each other. I`m not sure if she`s the one that engaged in the conversation or if I was, but the end of it, basically, was that if I ever had anybody out in California that I need assistance with, that she was out there. She`d be willing to help me out. and I said, Great, and likewise, and I asked for her number. And that`s how we met is for those three or four minutes at that Oklahoma convention in April.

GRACE: Everyone, with me is Ryan Burns, joining us exclusively tonight. And he is not afraid of the harsh glare of the lights. He is actually taking your calls, along with me, Ryan just off the witness stand.

Ryan, I now understand how you guys met. What was your impression of Jodi Arias when you first met her?

BURNS: My impression was -- you know, I thought she was a beautiful girl. We didn`t get a lot of time to get to know her there. Like I said, only talked for three or four minutes. But she was a businesswoman at a national convention. She seemed to have the same entrepreneur spirit that I had, and so interested in that light, and so, you know, got her number. And we actually didn`t really start talking until maybe three or four weeks after that.

GRACE: I want to fast-forward to the day she came to your home. She drove many, many hours to get there. And this is all literally about 17 hours or so after she stabbed Travis Alexander, whom you also knew, stabbed him to death.

I know she was very late in getting to you. What was her explanation as to why she was almost 24 hours late getting to your place?

BURNS: Yes, she told me she was leaving -- she lived in northern California. She was going to go visit a friend in southern California that had a baby or something like that. The plan was that she told me a week prior to this, she was planning to come see me. And when the day arrived, you know, she called me from southern California around 9:00 PM on Tuesday. She was supposed to get to my house -- it`s a 12-hour drive from LA to Salt Lake City. She was going to get to my house at 9:00 PM. Obviously, you know, I was concerned about her driving in the middle of the night, so I told her to pull over. She had called me. She wanted me to help her stay awake. And so I maybe really expected her maybe around 12:00 or 1:00 PM.

but I called her at 9:00 the next day, on Wednesday. It went straight to voicemail. I wasn`t too concerned at that point. I figured she might have pulled over just to take a nap. At 12:00, 1:00, when it didn`t still go through, now I was starting to get concerned. And then I even tried maybe two other times after that, even contacted another friend that she had in Salt Lake City...

GRACE: So what was her explanation, Ryan?

BURNS: ... to see if she had heard from her...

GRACE: What did she say?

BURNS: Her reason was -- was -- and I think they did an objection in court. They didn`t want me to speculate on this, but I guess I can talk here. She said she got lost. She got on the wrong freeway and she was kind of air-headed like that. That`s what she said.

And she drove for hours upon hours in the middle of the night until it was dark. She didn`t realize where she was going. At that point, she, you know, was so tired, she fell asleep, and she couldn`t believe how many hours she fell asleep, and then she had tried to get back...

GRACE: Did it sound...

BURNS: ... on the right path to come back.

GRACE: ... truthful to you? Did it sound truthful to you?

BURNS: Not at all. And that`s what the -- that`s what the prosecutor was trying to get me to say is that, you know, I -- while she was telling me this -- you know, and the defense tried to make it sound like we were a couple. I was definitely interested in her, and that`s why we were talking four or five times a week for over a month, you know, but we weren`t together. And so I didn`t really -- I knew that she was somewhere...

GRACE: Are you Mormon, too?

BURNS: ... that she didn`t want to tell me, and I just -- I grew up in the LDS church. At that time, I hadn`t attended an LDS, you know, church for over a year. You know, I turned (ph) Christian (INAUDIBLE)

GRACE: So then -- OK, so at that time, you were still a Mormon, although you were not regularly attending. It`s my understanding that at the time, you believed Jodi that Arias was actually pulling you closer to God?

BURNS: I mean, some of the talks were, you know, why I was not attending the LDS church at the time, you know. And she would -- she was, you know, from my perspective, you know, somebody who felt like she wanted to, you know, tell me to read my scriptures more, pray more, you know? And it wasn`t like she was trying to, you know, really push me, but we`d have conversations more like she was trying to, you know, get me back on that right path...

GRACE: Ryan? Ryan? Let -- let...

BURNS: Yes, that`s what that was about.

GRACE: So you`re telling me that Jodi Arias, now on trial for stabbing her lover after a full day of -- it was a sex marathon -- stabbing him 29 times, she`s telling you that you should read the scriptures more.

BURNS: Yes. I mean, that`s -- that conversation (INAUDIBLE)

GRACE: I just want to make sure I understood that correctly.

BURNS: ... she went out there.

GRACE: Ryan Burns is joining us and taking your calls. Take a listen to what just occurred on the witness stand.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

BURNS: We were talking and we kissed.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And did this kissing continue, or did it just stop at one kiss?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Eventually, we kissed probably many times. Every time we started kissing, it got a little more escalated.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And with regard to the physical contact beyond the kissing, was there any of that?

BURNS: Clothes never came off. You know, at some point, she was kissing my neck. I was kissing hers. But clothes never came off.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: How about your hands?

BURNS: Yes, my hands were -- I never touched her breasts or anything like that. At one point, I had my hands on her thighs. She was -- you know, things were -- she was definitely seemed to be into the moment. And you know, eventually, we stopped.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Before you stopped, did your hands ever go near her vaginal area?

BURNS: Yes.

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BURNS: I complimented her on being very feisty, and I was kind of referring she`s -- she`s a lot stronger than she looks.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: During this encounter, when -- after you wake up, did she ever -- and the phrase may have been -- adjust you in any way while this encounter is going on?

BURNS: Well, that`s what I mean. When we woke up, we were kissing. And then she eventually kind of grabbed me and adjusted me a little bit, and that`s when she got on top of me and we were kissing.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And did that -- were you able to feel her strength at that point?

BURNS: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And did you form an opinion, again, throughout the day and as part of that, as to her strength?

BURNS: Yes, she`s strong.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: At any point, did you ever kiss her stomach?

BURNS: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And were you able to see her stomach in terms of whether or not she was in shape?

BURNS: Yes, close to a six-pack, yes.

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GRACE: With me right now, straight off the witness stand, is Ryan Burns, the former lover of Jodi Arias, who has just come off the witness stand, testifying under oath.

Ryan, thank you for being with us. What was it like in court and the last couple of hours sitting there, with her looking at you and taking notes, and you`re talking about this sex encounter you had, knowing now in hindsight it`s just a couple of hours after she stabbed Travis Alexander to death, then she hops up on top of you?

BURNS: Right. I mean, obviously very awkward, extremely awkward. I mean, it`s hard to believe you`re this close to something that`s so dramatic. I just -- I really didn`t think she could have possibly done. And for a month after she was there at my house, she explained that she was never there at Travis`s, and you know, that the truth would eventually came out of who really hurt him. And that was the whole story that she fed everybody until up to the point she was arrested.

GRACE: So Ryan, did you ask her about it? Did you ask her, Were you involved? And if so, what propelled you to do that?

BURNS: You know, we talked quite a few times even after, you know, it came out. But again, we didn`t really know -- she told me -- she called me at 4:00 AM four or five days after she was at my house. I didn`t answer the phone. She called me three or four times.

I actually called her in the morning and asked her if everything`s OK. Normally, she didn`t call me at 4:00 AM in the morning. She said, No. She was in tears, it sounded like. And she said that Travis had died. I said, Travis who? She said, Travis Alexander. And I said, Your ex-boyfriend? I mean, Travis just died? And she confirmed.

And I was shocked, you know, because he was -- you know, he was such a young guy, happy, everybody loved him, motivational speaker, totally turned my business around when I was ready to quit in the beginning. First three months, he was kind of the guy that came into town. And I showed up to that training not even knowing if I was going to do the business anymore three months in. And I laughed, I cried, and he was an incredible speaker. It just seemed like not the type of guy that would commit a suicide or something like that.

I even asked her, Is he suicidal? And she said, No, no, she didn`t think he was. And I said, How did he die so young? And she said, They`re looking at it like a suspicious death. And I said, Like somebody killed him? And she said, yes, that might have been what happened. I don`t know yet. And so, you know, that`s -- that`s how that, you know, all came out.

GRACE: Then she went on to say she didn`t have anything to do with it. When was the last time -- the last time you spoke with her, what was her story that time? Because she`s changed it quite often.

BURNS: The entire time -- in fact, for two or three weeks after Travis had died, I didn`t think she could have possibly done it. People are saying that she, you know, was gone and missing for those 24 hours, and I kind of reminded people that we didn`t know when Travis died. I mean, I didn`t know if he died the night that she called me, the day before she called me.

People were coming to the conclusion that he died four days prior, which happened to fit the story of her being missing. And I thought that was a lot to come to a conclusion because we didn`t have any information. At least, I didn`t know of any information from the detective or anybody else.

And so I didn`t believe she had killed him, yes.

GRACE: Well, when was the last time you actually spoke to her?

BURNS: Probably the night before she was arrested.

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GRACE: Straight back to Ryan Burns, Ryan Burns straight off the witness stand. He has been under oath for hours. Ryan was the new boyfriend in Jodi Arias`s life. As a matter of fact, she drives hours and hours to go to him, egging him on sexually. This was within hours after stabbing Travis Alexander to death.

Ryan, again, thank you for being with us. I`m going to open it up to the callers in just a moment. But Ryan, I`m extremely curious if you could tell me -- you spoke to her the night before she was arrested. In that conversation, what did she say?

BURNS: It was never -- most of our -- 90 percent -- 95 percent of our conversations were nothing about Travis. It was more -- she did talk about -- I`m not sure if you got that, that she wanted me to come out and see her. She wanted me to spend a few days out there. She told my expenses would be covered.

GRACE: Was she upset Alexander had another girlfriend?

BURNS: No because my impression was -- obviously, she was upset. But my impression was that they were done. They`d moved on. She -- I mean, the picture she painted -- you got to remember I talked to her April for five, six weeks.

GRACE: Yes.

BURNS: The only Jodi I knew was the person I talked to on the phone. And the picture she painted, they were a long history. Apparently, Travis and Jodi hid that pretty well. I mean, even me -- I was shocked that they were still even in contact. I didn`t know that.

GRACE: We are taking your calls. Out to Shannon in Pennsylvania. Hi, Shannon. What`s your question?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Hi, Nancy. Nice to talk to you. I have a lot of respect for what you do.

GRACE: Likewise.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: My question is, she seems at her young age and just with her physical appearance and her ability to obviously attract males -- has there been a history ever with her with a breakup that, you know, she stalks the man? Or it seems to me like she just really does not handle the possibility of losing somebody well, when she could very easily find somebody else.

GRACE: Let`s find out.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Has there been a history of this?

GRACE: Ryan Burns, I assume that the two of you discussed your past love lives. Had she had very many boyfriends? How did she describe breakups, or did she?

BURNS: It`s strange because I know nothing about Jodi`s family. She`d never talk about that, so I don`t know if there was -- but as far as boyfriend, I think she lived with somebody for years, maybe three or four years. She never said anything bad about that. It`s just I`m finding out now she broke up with him later.

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BURNS: Yes, it seemed like the reason they broke up was because they didn`t trust each other.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Her going into his cell phone snooping.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Was there jealousy?

JODI ARIAS, ACCUSED OF KILLING TRAVIS ALEXANDER: On my end not so much jealousy, maybe a sense of insecurity.

RITA COSBY, INVESTIGATIVE JOURNALIST, AUTHOR OF "QUIET HERO": Now her story is she killed Travis in self-defense.

ARIAS: He works out really, really hard. He`s so strong.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Travis was one of the nicest and kindest men I`ve ever met. He was the type of guy that you just wanted to be around.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She slit his throat as a reward for being a good man.

BURNS: It`s hard to say no to a woman who sneaks into your house, crawls in your bed and tries to, you know, seduce you. When we woke up we were kissing and then she eventually kind of grabbed me and she got on top of me.

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GRACE: Welcome back, everybody. We are straight out of the courtroom. We are live in Arizona.

Straight out to Bonnie Druker who is on our team there watching every word that comes from the witness stand.

Bonnie, what happened in court?

BONNIE DRUKER, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER: Well, obviously, Ryan Burns took the stand today and that was incredibly dramatic. You know yesterday was gore. Today was sex and everyone was listening to every word that he said. We also heard about a palm print and we heard about carpet with blood on it, Nancy. But again, Ryan Burns, he took the stand and everyone was watching incredibly close. He was the man today.

GRACE: Explain to me -- right now we`re showing you the carpet that was ripped up out of Travis Alexander`s home there in his bedroom and bathroom. What`s the significance of that carpet, Bonnie?

DRUKER: Well, the significance is that he bled obviously on the carpet and then he was dragged into the bathroom, and that`s where Jodi Arias left his body so that blood shows on the carpet that he was dragged from that carpet into the shower.

GRACE: And in retrospect as we`re looking back and putting all the pieces together, Bonnie, let`s analyze what Ryan Burns is telling us tonight. Give me the timeline.

DRUKER: Well, the timeline is Jodi Arias admitted that she killed Travis Alexander. Twelve hours later she is with Ryan Burns, kissing him and dry humping him, and getting on top of him. So, you know, we`ve obviously talked about this before as crime victims.

GRACE: You know, joining me right now, Matt Zarrell, also tracking the trail.

Give me the timeline, Matt.

MATT ZARRELL, NANCY GRACE STAFFER, COVERING STORY: OK, Nancy. Now what we know is that Jodi Arias showed up to Travis Alexander`s home at about 3:00 or 4:00 in the morning. Travis was on YouTube. Apparently they immediately went to sleep, got up around -- later in the day around 1:00 p.m., started having sex.

They took naked photos of each other. Then more naked poses in the shower that you see around 5:30 p.m. Some of the photos were shown to the jury. Some haven`t been yet. And 5:30 is the last photo taken of Travis Alexander alive in the shower. Within 44 seconds of that last photo, that`s when prosecutors say Arias stabbed him in the heart and began killing him.

GRACE: Matt, I want you to back it up and go through it with me with a fine-toothed comb. The murder of Travis Alexander and when we find her within hours climbing on top of Ryan Burns egging him on sexually.

ZARRELL: Yes, it was -- it was less than 24 hours. Now Arias initially planned to arrive at Burns` home on June 4th, which was the day of the murder. He was -- she was supposed to arrive, Arias, around noon or 1:00 p.m., but the day of the murder Burns was trying to reach Jodi Arias all day at 9:00 a.m., noon, 1:00 p.m. The calls all went straight to voicemail. The next day, June 5th, is when Arias does show up and that`s when she gives this story about how she got lost and she fell asleep in the car and she lost her car charger and all of that.

Now one thing that`s interesting, Nancy, is after she arrived, she was actually pulled over by a law enforcement officer within hours of arriving because of an upside-down license plate which she also had a crazy story for.

GRACE: OK, I want to hear the crazy story about why the car tag on the front was missing and the car tag on the back was upside-down.

ZARRELL: Yes, this is actually very interesting. From what Ryan Burns said, Arias actually claimed it was, quote, "a funny story." Arias says the cop pulled her over because her back license plate was upside-down. When Ryan Burns asked how that could have happened, Jodi Arias said she was coming out of a restaurant sometime on her trip to Burns` house and there were these, quote, "kids" goofing off around her car and screwing around with the front license plate and dropped it on the floor when they saw her and left.

Arias claims that she thought that`s all they did so she put the front license plate in the car but Arias said she didn`t realize that they also turned the back license plate upside-down. Why they would do that, I have no idea.

GRACE: Taking your calls, out to Suzanne. Hi, Suzanne, what`s your question?

SUZANNE, CALLER: Hi, Nancy. I love your show.

GRACE: Thank you. Thank you for calling in.

SUZANNE: Thank you. I`m wondering if anybody has looked at Jodi Arias` history to see if she`s had a problem with her temper because, I mean, this was really out there. About as severe as she could get. And I don`t think this would be a one-time thing.

GRACE: You know, out to Christina Estes, anchor with KTAR, joining me tonight from Phoenix.

Christina, what do we really know about her?

ESTES: Well, we might actually learn a little bit more about her relationships once the defense gets its chance and calls its witnesses because during the opening statements, the defense brought up, hey, this is all with about self-defense and they implied that they were going to bring a domestic violence expert in who was going to talk about that.

Not necessarily about physical abuse but about emotional mental abuse so that may be a factor that we will hear about. We do know that based on some messages between Ryan and Jodi that she does have some trust issues with Travis. And, also, that she had a prior relationship where she said she had been cheated on before.

GRACE: Unleash the lawyers. Joining me tonight Eleanor Odom, death penalty qualified, sex crimes prosecutor. Also with me tonight defense attorney Peter Odom from the Atlanta jurisdiction.

Eleanor Odom, weigh in on the whole battered women`s syndrome defense because, as of this hour, this day in court, there is no allegation there was physical abuse before Travis Alexander attacked her and she murdered him.

I find that very hard to believe and also, Eleanor, what kind of attack could it be? Because, let`s just say at 5:30 she is taking sexy shots of him in the shower. At 5:32 he`s dead.

ELEANOR ODOM, FELONY PROSECUTOR, DEATH PENALTY QUALIFIED: I don`t think this defense is going to go very far, Nancy. Because you know with battered women`s syndrome or battered person`s syndrome that person is claiming they have been so abused physically and also mentally, verbally, by this person that it drove them to an act of violence themselves or that they, you know, have suffered posttraumatic stress disorder from it.

But you know what`s funny, Nancy, is we`ve never seen any scintilla of evidence that she suffered any battered person syndrome whatsoever. So I think this defense is going to fail and fail big. I mean this woman can`t even lie straight.

GRACE: Well, you know, if you analyze this, Peter Odom, the reality is that the -- oh, let me just old traditional self-defense law is going to kick in which is basically sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me.

Words alone, verbal abuse alone is not going to create a battered women`s syndrome defense.

PETER ODOM, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: She has to believe that she was in immediate fear for -- and reasonably believed that she was in immediate fear.

GRACE: Well, that`s all self-defense. That`s all self-defense.

P. ODOM: Exactly. So, I mean, the self-defense claim -- I would agree with Eleanor that the self-defense claim is a hard one and there`s no evidence of it yet. But you know what, she has --

GRACE: Put him up, please.

P. ODOM: She has to go with that. She has to go with that.

GRACE: Yes, she does, Peter. The lawyer is between a rock and a hard spot because first she said, I wasn`t there.

P. ODOM: Right.

GRACE: Then it`s the strange people dressed like ninjas come in and killed the guy --

P. ODOM: She then claimed --

GRACE: -- as she watches.

P. ODOM: Right.

GRACE: Now she says self-defense. I mean, they absolutely cannot now revert to insanity, it just -- it would be laughed out of court.

P. ODOM: Right. So she`s placed at the scene because there`s a palm print so she`s got to have a defense consistent with that palm print so it`s got to be self-defense but it doesn`t take much. Don`t forget, Nancy, she doesn`t have to prove her innocence. The state has to prove her guilt and they`re just starting to plant these seeds.

Now the real question is going to be, does she take the witness stand to sell this defense?

GRACE: Yes, you`re right.

Eleanor, will she take the witness stand?

E. ODOM: I think she`s going to have to, Nancy. And I know as a prosecutor I don`t usually put in defendant`s self-serving statements because I want to force them on the stand so I can have my turn at them under cross-examination.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The first thing I would hear a lot of is by the ladies, am I single? And that`s right. I am. Ladies, come get me.

BURNS: She got on top of me. Pretty aggressively and we were kissing.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Did you form an opinion, again, throughout the day and as part of that as to her strength?

BURNS: Yes, she`s strong. Close to six pack, yes.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: That is the carpet leading from the master bedroom right at the entryway to the hallway that leads to the master bath.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: All this blood just outside the hallway on the carpet.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: This is the piece of carpet. I can see some of the staining on the interior fold.

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GRACE: In the last hours, carpet ripped up out of Travis Alexander`s bedroom and bathroom where you can see bloody drag marks as Arias dragged him and positioned his body have come into court. We already know about a cut found where she would fill it up with warm water and basically bathe Travis Alexander`s dead body slumped over in the shower.

Also, in the last hours there on the witness stand we learned about a bloody palm print. It`s Travis Alexander`s blood. It`s her palm print. The evidence is mounting.

I want to go to Leslie Seppinni, clinical psychologist and author.

Leslie, weigh in on your analysis of Jodi Arias.

LESLIE SEPPINNI, PSY.D., CLINICAL PSYCHOLOGIST: Well, I mean, you know, the fact that she keeps talking shows that true mental illness of a sociopath, that she think that she has gotten away with the perfect crime. But it also shows the statements that Ryan made today were so incredible because it really shows how seductive she is. And that`s part of the pathology. She already had slaughtered one man and she already had another man in the bull pen ready to go to seduce him and using religion to do that. It`s fascinating.

GRACE: And it`s also interesting, back to you, Matt Zarrell, that she had her sights on Travis Alexander. She even converted to Mormonism. He baptized her into Mormonism. But they keep referring to Jodi Arias as his dirty little secret, I guess, because, what, the church thought he was marrying or courting another Mormon woman while he was having sex with Arias? Is that what`s happening?

ZARRELL: Well, the whole idea is what the defense is saying. The defense is the one that`s saying that she`s the dirty little secret. That Alexander would be able to carry on relationships publicly with women that may have been viewed better in the Mormon Church as opposed to Jodi Arias whom he was having a sexual relationship with which was against the church.
GRACE: We are taking your calls, out to Marnita in New Jersey. Hi, Marnita, what`s your question?

MARNITA, CALLER FROM NEW JERSEY: Hi, Nancy. My question is for Mr. Ryan Burns. I was wondering how long he knew her and if she seemed calm or strange when she was around him?

GRACE: Yes, I`m curious, too, Ryan. What`s the answer to that?

BURNS: I knew her for about two months. We talked on the phone for five or six weeks, four or five times a week for -- she would call almost every time at 11:00 p.m. when our days were wrapping up. I was very busy in the business working. She always seemed calm. She had never seemed like there was a problem when she was with me.

When the timeframe came out to think that she called me and I talked to her for maybe an hour, 30 minutes to an hour, when I was at the Cheesecake Factory, which was only three or four hours after he was killed is what I`m hearing now. And so for that whole hour we talked about simple things, giggling about just little jokes, just normal conversation, you would think. Obviously they`re abnormal when you -- in retrospect.

But she was always seemed just like the Jodi that I had been talking to for five or six weeks, the entire 14-hour she was with me the day after Travis died.

GRACE: OK. Ryan Burns, this is so incredible to all of us listening and, listen, I claimed to have seen it all having prosecuted felonies for, you know, a decade. But hearing you talk about this is just riveting to me that she is giggling like a schoolgirl and having a regular conversation with you -- you know, right after stabbing him to death.

I`m hearing in my ear, I`m getting Beth Karas with me. Beth has been in the courtroom all day long.

Beth, debrief me. What happened?

BETH KARAS, LEGAL CORRESPONDENT, IN SESSION: Good evening, Nancy. Oh, wow, the jury heard so many recordings of Jodi Arias. Detective Flores back on the stand, and he`s talking about a second conversation with her on June 25th, 2008, where he`s asking her very pointed questions about her relationship with Travis, the last time she saw him and about her trip from northern California to Utah.

Well, she admits that she went to pasadena to see friends, which the police were able to track and corroborate. But she said she then drove nine hours straight to Utah to see Ryan Burns. Well, we know that`s not true, obviously, she detoured to Mesa, Arizona, for a day. So no mention about whatsoever. She talked about her relationship with him and the breakup and how they continued to see each other but they didn`t really trust each other, and she knew he was going to Cancun on June 10th.

Key facts, Detective Flores got out from her like she knew he wasn`t going to Cancun and the state will probably argue, she intended for him ever to make it that trip to Cancun. She said she was fearful of guns and that she was fearful of being in public, that she was shaking when she had to sing the national anthem one time.

And I`m thinking to myself, boy, she didn`t seem fearful when she was singing in that "American Idol" contest in jail. But she said that she did fear guns.

GRACE: So wait, so she`s afraid of guns and she`s afraid to sing in public?

KARAS: Those are two things she said on her list of fears she needed to overcome. She had a list and Travis was helping her work on that list. Of course she is distancing herself from a gun, right, the weapon in the case which ultimately she admits to using but at that time she is saying -- she -- she didn`t know --

GRACE: OK. Beth Karas --

KARAS: -- what they had on her and said she was afraid of guns.

Beth Karas, don`t move a hair.

Everybody, Beth is joining us straight out of the courthouse. She is taking your calls. She has just told us that Jodi Arias tells the cops she is mortally afraid of guns and singing. Take a listen to this.

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BURNS: Maybe I did ask her. And yes, I found out that they -- that they had had sex together.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Does that include like a sexual relationship with him?

ARIAS: Yes, it does.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: This relationship was about sex.

ARIAS: It eventually became sex.

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GRACE: That is Jodi Arias on CBS "48 Hours."

We are taking your calls. Back to you, Beth Karas. Go ahead. I want to - - I don`t want to miss a thing. What happened?

KARAS: Well, there were more of these little recordings from June 25th, 2008. This is before her arrest but it`s about two weeks after Travis was found dead in the shower. She said that at the time, after they broke up she continued to see him. She admitted it was a sexual relationship. But she said Travis used to text her late at night and say hey, I`m getting sleepy, and it became kind of the code word for her to sneak over there.

She said it was a sexual relationship but she just needed to move away, so she moved away, but they still continued to see each other. She said he was actually going to come to northern California to see her. I think she said it was after the Cancun trip. We don`t know if that`s true.

GRACE: Right.

KARAS: Obviously, she was never going to let him go to Cancun.

GRACE: With me right now, Dr. William Morrone, medical examiner, forensic pathologist.

Dr. Morrone, you have studied the injuries to the body. What do you make of it?

DR. WILLIAM R. MORRONE, MEDICAL EXAMINER; FORENSIC PATHOLOGIST, TOXICOLOGIST: There`s no way any of this was defensive. A textbook of medical legal studies say there are three fatal stab wounds above the waist -- the neck, the heart, and under the chin. She got two out of three. And you don`t do that in defense. And the veracity with which the number of wounds are directly to the body, that doesn`t happen in defense. This was planned and it was extensive. He has no wounds on his knuckles. He wasn`t attacking anybody. It`s terrible.

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With me right now, Marc Harrold, former officer, attorney, and author.

Marc, what is your takeaway from Arias` testimony? What Ryan is saying about Arias on the stand.

MARC HARROLD, FORMER OFFICER, ATLANTA PD, ATTORNEY, AUTHOR OF "OBSERVATIONS OF WHITE NOISE": Yes, I think the self-defense isn`t going to really work here. They want to paint her out as being the aggressor. They want to paint her out as somebody who`s physically strong. And I think he did that. Also they`re going to have to show that she could drag the body. I think he was a very dramatic witness. He didn`t have any ax to grind it didn`t seem. He`s very truthful.

Self-defense works a lot better as a first defense, an affirmative defense. But as your third or fourth story it`s going to be rarely successful.

GRACE: Amanda, Louisiana. Hi, dear. What`s your question?

AMANDA, CALLER FROM LOUISIANA: I`d like to ask Mr. Burns if she started exhibiting that obsessive behavior like she did with Travis Alexander and her identity being tied up like she did with Travis Alexander.

GRACE: Ryan, she was making very long drives, you know, the long drive to see you. And I take it that she was calling you every night at 11:00?
BURNS: No. We called each other. I mean, a lot of times it was her. Sometimes it was me. You know, when she came out to see me, we had talked about it a few times. But you know, she never really seemed anything that we`re seeing today.

GRACE: Unleash the lawyers. Eleanor Odom joining me. Also Peter Odom out of Atlanta.

OK, Peter, where do they go now?

P. ODOM: Where does the trial go now? Well, I hope --

GRACE: The defense.

P. ODOM: The defense has laid out a story. They`re going to have a very difficult time unless they have evidence of that story. I think that there`s going to be a lot of pressure for Jodi Arias to testify.

GRACE: Eleanor, will she take the stand?

E. ODOM: I think she`s going to have to, Nancy, and I think she`s going to try to paint herself as this innocent victim to the jury. And I hope the jury doesn`t buy it. We`ve got to keep focused on the fact, on those 29 stab wounds, the shooting and the dragging of the body to the bathroom.

GRACE: Beth Karas, will she take the stand?

KARAS: She has said publicly in interviews to the media that she will testify. Her lawyers didn`t say that. And these are different lawyers from a couple years ago when she made the public statement, "I will testify." So we`ll see. I mean, she probably wants to. In self-defense cases you usually see the defendant taking the stand.
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Mistrial motion denied in Arizona murder trial
January 10, 2013

PHOENIX (AP) — A judge has denied a mistrial motion in the trial of an Arizona woman accused in the shooting and stabbing death of her boyfriend.

Jodi Arias' defense lawyers asked for the mistrial Thursday after accusing a prosecution witness of perjury.

The motion was denied and the trial is scheduled to resume Monday.
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Jodi Arias Trial Update: Prosecution presents testimony to prove Arias, who killed ex-boyfriend, is a pathological liar
January 11, 2013

(CBS) PHOENIX - The prosecution presented testimony Thursday aimed at proving Jodi Arias is a pathological liar who plotted the murder of her ex-boyfriend, 30-year-old Travis Alexander. Arias, now 32, is facing the death penalty for the brutal stabbing and shooting of the former motivational speaker and salesman in his Mesa, Ariz., home on June 4, 2008.

Arias was first arrested in her hometown of Yreka, in Siskiyou County, Calif., after Mesa police detectives discovered physical evidence that linked her to the crime. In court on Thursday, a former Siskiyou County sheriff's detective, Nathan Mendes, who assisted in the investigation, presented incriminating receipts. The numerous receipts were found at Arias's grandparents' home, where she was living at the time of the murder.

The prosecution showed that Arias rented a car in Redding, Calif., instead of her small town of Yreka, implying that she wouldn't be recognized there.

Numerous other credit card receipts that were presented provide a physical trail of Arias driving through Southern California and Nevada as she described to police, but no receipts reflect a presence in Arizona.

The prosecution is trying to establish that Arias plotted Alexander's murder after she learned he was taking another woman on a business trip to Cancun. After the murder, she visited a new love interest in Utah, who testified Arias was sexually aggressive with him less than 24 hours after Alexander's slaying.
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Arias' defense team also filed a motion for a mistrial after contending that the state's theory on the order of how Alexander was killed has changed over time. The defense argued that the lead Mesa police detective, Esteban Flores, initially believed in 2008 that Alexander was shot first and then stabbed in the chest and across his neck, causing the fatal injury. But testimony during the trial by the medical examiner, Dr. Kevin Horn, and repeated by Flores, was reversed. They stated it to be stabbing and then the shooting.

The reversal shows a level of suffering for Alexander and could increase the severity of punishment for Arias who is facing the death penalty. Arias' attorneys have admitted she committed the crime in self-defense. They say she killed Alexander, a devout Mormon, because he was abusive, controlling and a sexual deviant in his relationship with Arias.

The judge denied the motion for a mistrial. Prosecution testimony continues on Monday.

http://www.examiner.com/article/artwork-of-accused-murderer-jodi-arias-auctioned-on-ebay-to-pay-legal-bills
Artwork of accused murderer Jodi Arias auctioned on eBay to pay legal bills
January 13, 2013

Hand-drawn artwork created by Jodi Arias, who is currently on trial for murdering her former lover, Travis Alexander, is being auctioned off on eBay to help pay her legal fees, according to a Jan. 11, 2013 Radar Online report.

The website discovered that her work includes an image called "Unity," which shows two women of different “ethnicities holding hands,” reports The Christian Post. At press, the price was up to $199.99 with two offers.

Other pieces of Arias' work that have already sold on eBay for as much as $150, include faces of women named after the Zodiac, such as one of an attractive female with red hair entitled “Scorpio.”

Radar notes the money she garners will be used to pay for costs associated with her trial.
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JANE VELEZ-MITCHELL

Jodi Arias Defense Demands Mistrial

Aired January 10, 2013 - 19:00   ET

THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.


JANE VELEZ-MITCHELL, HOST: The defense in the Jodi Arias trial just dropped a bombshell in court moments ago, demanding a mistrial. What`s the uproar around one investigator`s testimony? We`re going to tell you in a second.

Also what`s it like to be the victim of a stalker? We`re going inside obsessive relationships with people who survived. Two women who have survived serious stalking tonight.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL (voice-over): Tracking Jodi Arias. In court today, Jodi Arias`s long, strange journey from California to Arizona. Prosecutors say she was on a mission to murder Travis Alexander. Do these receipts reveal a secret murder plan?

Plus inside the world Jodi Arias came from and why it might have made Travis`s life seem even more glamorous and appealing.

Plus, I`ll talk to another stalking victim who sees creepy parallels with her case.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Was what again?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: June 7, 2008.

RYAN BURNS, WITNESS: She got on top of me pretty aggressively, and we were kissing.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Some type of romantic event within hours of basically barbarically brutally killing someone you professed your love to?

STEVE FLORES, LEAD DETECTIVE: I answered that the gunshot was possibly first.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: How deep was this wound?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It goes all the way back to the spine.

MIKE BROOKS, HLN LAW ENFORCEMENT ANALYST: That`s 3 1/2 inches. That`s how deep that stab wound.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She could sneak into his house through the doggie door and sleep on his couch at night without knowing.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She had long hair, and when she came in and got in the car.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She said she got lost. She got on the wrong freeway, and she was kind of airheaded like that.

JODI ARIAS, MURDER SUSPECT: There is an explanation for all of that. And that will be made known very soon.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: He is saying she wasn`t present in their sexual behavior. She wasn`t emotional. She was dead inside.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: Tonight fireworks just now in the Jodi Arias courtroom as the defense demands that the judge throw the whole case out and ask for a mistrial. Jodi`s lawyers say that one cop made a huge blunder.

Good evening. I`m Jane Velez-Mitchell coming to you live.

The stunning 32-year-old admits she stabbed her ex-boyfriend 29 times, slit Travis Alexander`s throat from ear to ear, and she shot him in the face. Just look at these vicious wounds she left on his hands. Look at that. But Jodi claims she killed Travis in self-defense.

Of course, that wasn`t always her story. The prosecution played this clip from "Inside Edition," showing just one set -- just one set of Jodi`s many lies.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What really happened in there?

ARIAS: In a nutshell, two people took Travis`s life. Two monsters.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You did not shoot Travis?

ARIAS: No, I`ve never even shot a real gun.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You did not stab him 27 times?

ARIAS: No. That`s heinous. I`d never...

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You didn`t slit his throat from ear to ear?

ARIAS: I can`t imagine slitting anyone`s throat.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: It is heinous, and of course, she now admits, "Yes, I did it." In self-defense, she claims.

Now, Jodi`s defense hopes none of those lies will matter. Just a few minutes ago, they attacked the lead detective, Steve Flores, saying he made a big mistake, so much so that it should be a mistrial, throw out the whole case.

The medical examiner says Jodi first stabbed Travis and then slit his throat and, at the very end, shot him in the forehead as a final goodbye.

But Detective Flores testified Jodi shot him first before slitting his throat, before stabbing him. Listen to the courtroom battle.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: That`s what I asked you a few moments ago: did you take any steps to correct your inaccurate testimony? And you said no, it wasn`t inaccurate. It was a -- it was a misunderstanding. I`m confused. Is it -- is it inaccurate or is it a misunderstanding? Which is it?

FLORES: Well, it`s a misunderstanding of what Dr. Horn told me.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It`s a pretty big one, isn`t it?

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: Does the sequence of the attacks that led to Travis`s death prove self-defense? Or was Jodi a deranged, love-obsessed stalker, determined to kill him one way or the other.

Again, I`m going to talk to a woman in a moment who was stalked for a long time. Terrifying.

I want to hear from you. Call me: 1-877-JVM-SAYS; 1-877-586-7297.

Straight out to "In Session`s" Beth Karas. You were in the courtroom for this extremely dramatic development. Take us there. What happened?

BETH KARAS, TRUTV`S "IN SESSION": Jane, you know, this was after the jury left, and everyone thought court was over, but all of a sudden the judge takes the bench again.

Jodi Arias comes out, not looking exactly the way she did throughout the day today in front of the jury. She now is not wearing her glasses, sitting up straight listening to all of this argument.

We don`t cover a lot of death penalty cases. We`re on the edges of our seat, wondering, "Oh, no is this going to be a dismissal or a mistrial, starting all over again?"

And that is because what you just said Detective Flores said at a hearing, that goes to the death-penalty issues, that the sequence of shots was the gun -- the sequence of wounds was a gunshot to the head first. And yet at trial it actually came out that it was last, that that`s what the evidence supports.

So the defense says, "We need to go start all over again with a new hearing to determine probable cause with this aggravating factor for the death penalty."

But the judge said, "No, it is cruel" -- that`s the aggravating factor -- "it`s cruel whether the shot to the head is first, or the stab wound to the heart is first. Regardless, all those wounds on his body were made while he was still alive or he wouldn`t have bled so much. He suffered. He suffered mental anguish. He suffered physical pain. This man knew he was going to die.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes. One of the reasons it`s a death penalty case is because it`s extremely cruel, like you said, an aggravating factor that puts it over the top to a death penalty case.

But the defense is saying, well, basically, if she shot him first, it`s not as cruel. Therefore, maybe it`s not a death penalty case after all. Jodi Arias`s attorneys -- whoa -- they tried to get the judge to throw this whole case out.

Well, as you might imagine, prosecutors fought back, and they fought back hard. Check this out.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Travis Alexander suffered. He was in physical anguish and mental anguish. And the defendant knew about it, because she killed him three different ways, and he had defensive wounds. Therefore, we ask that you deny them what they`re asking.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: Darren Kavinoky, host of "Deadly Sins." Season two premiers this Saturday, 9 p.m. on Investigation Discovery. Why did the defense make this such a big deal? I think the average person at home says, "Who cares whether she shot him first or stabbed him first? She killed him."

DARREN KAVINOKY, HOST, "DEADLY SINS": Well, first of all, the defense, especially in a case like this where, on balance, when you just look at this, you think, "Gosh, which side would I rather be arguing?" Most folks would rather be arguing the side of the prosecution. It seems to be the better reasoned pace.

When you`re in that position, the defense is in the business of making mounds out of molehills. So they`ve got to get whatever leverage they can.

But as you`ve pointed out with Beth, this is a death-penalty case. Very unusual, by the way, that you see women as defendants in death-penalty cases, but here it is, and the state is trying to execute her.

So in that particular case, the theory upon which to support that death penalty is that the crime was carried out with a particular callous, cruel manner. And if he was indeed shot first and then the stabbing happened later, then as you`ve articulated, he would not be conscious. He wouldn`t have that conscious awareness of his imminent demise, and therefore, this should be a do-over.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: All right.

KAVINOKY: If you buy the defense position, this should be a do-over.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: All right. Jordan Rose, do you think it should be a do-over? That`s a pretty big mistake by a detective.

ORDAN ROSE: Look, this was not as much about if she was -- if she shot him or she stabbed him 27 times first. It was much more about discrediting this particular detective`s testimony. Because think about this. They just need -- they just need one juror in that jury room to say, "Wow, I really don`t trust that guy."

It doesn`t matter if it was a shooting or a stabbing, it`s all bad. Certainly, you can make a case either way that if she shot him first, if she stabbed him first, it`s better for her self-defense.

But this was all about discrediting the witness and causing some sort of reasonable doubt in the mind of just at least one juror.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Eric Swartzreit (ph), criminal defense attorney, does the defense have a point here? This is a pretty big mistake. I mean, it`s a high-profile trial. Figure it out, people. Figure it out, prosecution witnesses. It`s shooting, stabbing, throat slitting. It`s not that complicated. Figure out the order.

ERIC SWARTZREIT (PH), CRIMINAL DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Death penalty cases are reserved for the most egregious cases there are. You have a female here, this alleged femme fatale. But you always want issues in a criminal case. A mistrial. Sometimes be careful what you ask for. If the case was going really well, I`ll tell you that they probably wouldn`t want this mistrial. But this girl has told more tales than Pinocchio. This case is spinning out of control for them. They want to ask for a mistrial. They want the issue.

Does it matter? Stabbed, shot, what happened first? Cruel, heinous, atrocious. Those are the issues for the death penalty, and it matters.

But I think is an issue of credibility, not an issue that the judge should grant a mistrial. That goes to the detective`s credibility and that`s an issue. And it`s a point for the defense with the jury, but not a point to get a brand-new trial and not a point for a do-over.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Jon Lieberman, my producer tells me you`re champing at the bit. What do you have to say?

JON LIEBERMAN, HLN CONTRIBUTOR: Let`s talk about credibility. I mean, the prosecution has done such a good job at destroying Jodi Arias`s credibility. She has zero. If you watching the case, the prosecution has done an excellent job of meticulously walking us through each one of Jodi Arias`s lies. She even lied about things that were inconsequential, like where she worked at a certain time. This case is about credibility, but it`s about Jodi not having it.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Listen, this is exhibit A for don`t predict the outcome of these high-profile trials. As I`ve said a million times, they are runaway freight trains. They can go this way and that at a moment`s notice. It`s like a Perry Mason show. Somebody walks in, and the whole thing explodes in your face. So don`t assume that this case is over. It`s just getting started. There is no such thing as a an open-and-shut case.

Let`s go out to the phone lines. Mary, South Carolina, your question or thought, Mary?

CALLER: Yes. Thank you, Jane, and thank you for all you do for our animals.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Thank you for caring, as well.

CALLER: OK. I have two quick questions. One, why was Jodi living with Grandma and Grandpa instead of Mom and Dad? And...

VELEZ-MITCHELL: OK. What you`re saying...

CALLER: ... the second one is, the ex-boyfriend with the child she lived with, is he going to testify about their breakup?

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Beth Karas, take it away.

KARAS: Well, Darryl Brewer (ph) is the ex-boyfriend you`re talking about. And the defense did talk about him and show a photograph of him during opening statements, so I do believe we`ll hear from him or about him. But I think he may testify.

As for why she was living with her grandparents from April 2008 until she killed Travis or until she was arrested, we don`t have the answer to that yet. Her mother has been in the courtroom, however, but we don`t have the reason why.

I do know that she was a problem as an adolescent. Her parents had a hard time controlling her. And she used to run away a lot, and she dropped out of high school, but she did come from what sounds like a stable home.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: And we are going to be comparing Jodi Arias`s grandparents` home with Travis Alexander`s home coming up to show you why she may have gravitated towards Travis`s home.

And we`re also going to be talking to a woman who was stalked by her ex-husband for years. It`s a -- really, an epic case. She and a couple of other stalking victims are going to tell their incredible stories in a moment.

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BROOKS: This is one of the knives that I carry. This has a three- inch blade on it, Vinny. And it`s a very, very heavy duty knife. And you see where this orange mark is? That`s 3 1/2 inches. That`s how deep that stab wound that the prosecution thinks was the first stab wound in the chest, just right over his heart. That`s how deep it went.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He wants to paint the picture to the jury that this is a feeble little bookworm that could no way do these horrible things.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She would sneak into his house through the doggie door and sleep on his couch at night without him knowing it.

ARIAS: He always said, "We`re not dating anyone else."

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She had followed us on the first date that we went on.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: The victim, Travis Alexander`s, friends all talked about Jodi`s obsession with Travis even after they broke up. Listen to this.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Has he been threatened by anyone recently?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes, he has. He has an ex-girlfriend that`s been bothering him.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She had followed us on the first date that we went on.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I`ve heard stories of her watching them sleep or I`ve heard stories of her watching through windows or doorways.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Following him around on dates, watching him sleep? This is very sick behavior. Could this kind of obsessive love lead somebody to inflict wounds like the ones we saw on Travis during the autopsy photos, if that love was taken away, if she felt rejected?

I want to go to Michelle Ward, psychologist, but also you are a stalking victim. And we are trying to figure out when love goes from, well, healthy love to obsessive love to stalking and when this one crossed the line. And I think part of the problem was that she could still get access to him. Whatever her allure was, she managed to convince him, I think. She`s the one convincing him to have just one more one-night stand.

MICHELLE WARD, PSYCHOLOGIST: That`s what I would guess, also. And the thing is that the mind of a stalker is an awful place. I mean, they ruminate and just really fixate on this obsession. I mean, she`s not brushing her teeth without thinking of him. She`s not showering without thinking of him. And that`s what we`re seeing here.

You know, they translate every action into something having to do with them, the stalker does, and they can`t let it go. And you know the saying, "If I can`t have you, nobody else can"? That`s when we get a murdering stalker.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes.

WARD: That`s exactly what Jodi Arias was feeling. I mean, she was not going to let Travis go. She couldn`t escape the hell that was her head. She wasn`t going to live any more with him on this planet. And that`s what I think happens here.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: I think that the inciting incident -- and I agree with him -- the inciting incident was his decision to take another woman on vacation to Cancun, a woman who didn`t particularly like him. She said, "Well, I`ll go, but I`ll go as your friend. I don`t want to date you."

So it was almost like salt in the wounds: "Oh, you`re having sex with me, and you`re going to take this woman who doesn`t even want you, on vacation? I`m not good enough to take on vacation, much less marry?"

In one of her online conversations with this new love interest -- remember, after she kills Travis Alexander, she goes up to Utah and canoodles with another guy, Ryan Burns. Jodi admits to him that she secretly went through Travis`s phone -- cell phone, and on it, she finds the number of a woman she thinks Travis is dating, sort of two-timing her. Listen to what she decides. Listen to how Jodi Arias thinks.

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BURNS: "I decided to text her back," quote, "`Time to cuddle with Jodi. Good night.` Then I deleted the message, went to sleep and never mentioned it to him.

"One day while he was taking a nap, I took his phone and read his text messages. Bad, I know."

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: Bad, I know. She knows she`s doing something bad. She`s also accused of tire slashing, anonymous emailing, moving near Travis, hacking his Facebook.

Kristen Pratz (ph), you are a stalking victim and a victim`s advocate out of Orlando, Florida. What -- when you hear this litany of stalking behavior, does it remind you of what you went through?

KRISTEN PRATZ (PH), VICTIM`S ADVOCATE: It really does, actually. It`s almost textbook what probably happened to me, if Patrick my stalker, didn`t -- wasn`t arrested and wasn`t put on trial for stalking. It`s a really scary thing to hear.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: What were some of the things that he did to you?

PRATZ (PH): He would send me Facebook messages. He`d call me. He`d hitchhike to Orlando. He didn`t live in Orlando. And he would hang out in places he thought I would be. He would send messages to my boyfriend and tell them that I was the one he was supposed to be with. He would make YouTube videos. It was -- it was tiresome and really scary.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, that`s very similar to what Jodi did. She allegedly sent an e-mail to Travis`s new girlfriend, basically in weirdly religious language, saying, "Ye have sinned," if -- words to the effect of "if you lay with him, you have sinned." Kooky stuff, crazy stuff.

More on the other side.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Well, I think the hardest thing for me is just how much of an effect he had on not only myself, but everyone that came in contact with him. You know, like you said, it`s something that was so hard for me that, four plus years later, I`m still crying about it. You know, it`s not something I like to think about. It`s not something I like to talk about. And...
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JUDGE SHERRY STEPHENS, OVERSEEING TRIAL: There is probable cause to believe that this offense was especially cruel, under the theory that it did involve both physical and mental suffering of the victim. So the motion for a mistrial is denied. The motion for a new finding of probable cause in the aggravators is denied.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: Faced with overwhelming forensic evidence from the autopsy that is just shocking the jury, the defense decides to counteract with a wild card, calling for a mistrial, saying, "Wow, the medical examiner told one story about the order in which Jodi Arias killed Travis Alexander, and the lead detective tells a totally different order. So the medical examiner says he was shot at the end, and the detective said he was shot first. Well, they can`t get their stories straight. That`s huge. Let`s call for a mistrial."

The judge said, "Nah, not so huge. We`re going to continue with the trial." That happened just moments ago.

Let`s go to the phone lines. Lisa, Ontario, your question or thought. Lisa, Ontario.

CALLER: Well, hi, Jane. Can I please ask, if this woman Jodi was so in love with Travis, No. 1, why did she till him? And then No. 2, after she did so, why did she go to another guy`s house and fool around with him?

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, excellent question. Listen to an e-mail read in court. Now, this is allegedly from Travis about Jodi, in which he refers to Jodi`s sexual talents but also refers to her in terms that are not flattering, to say the least.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Do you remember seeing e-mails in which Mr. Alexander referred to Ms. Arias as a, quote, "(EXPLETIVE DELETED) wonder"?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Hearsay.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: As a slut?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: As a whore?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Michelle Ward, again, you were a victim of stalking, and you`re a psychologist. Could this whole bloody case boil down to a woman who didn`t like Travis`s attitude toward her and grew to feel a murderous rage against her supposedly secret lover? Could it be that simple?

WARD: Yes. She`s a mixed bag of a lot of different psychopathologies. I mean, she fits the exact profile of a love-obsessed stalker. I mean, she`s absolutely that.

But once she kills him, she does not behave in a way that a scorned lover, you know, who was fighting for her life and just lost it one day, would behave. She behaves like a psychopath. I mean, she has -- devoid of no emotion, no guilt, no remorse. She`s not a typical person, and it`s not love that she ever felt for this poor victim. She`s a whole different beast.

And unfortunately, you know, we come across them -- the girl that you have on your show, Kristen, she had a horrible stalker. And in fact, I`ve seen all of the videos. He`s worse than she even described him. He`s one of the scariest people I`ve ever read about and looked into. These people are nuts...

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Kristen Pratz (ph)...

WARD: ... and they are dangerous.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Kristen Pratz (ph), stalking victim out of Orlando and victim advocate, when you hear these things that Jodi Arias has done and said, does it give you chills, like, "Oh, my gosh, that could have been me"?

PRATZ (ph): Oh, yes. It`s a lot different. For someone who`s just in love with someone and then someone who`s violently obsessed with someone, to -- to watch and to hear what Jodi has done. It`s really terrifying to think that that probably could have happened to me, and it`s something that I have to think about every day.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: I`m so glad it didn`t happen to you. And that`s part of the importance of listening and watching this case, is that we learned from this horror so that we can avoid similar outcomes and protect ourselves is somebody is obsessed with you, you think they`re becoming obsessed with you, if you think you`re getting stalked, you can take action to protect yourself and have nothing to do with the person. Never interact with them, not for any reason whatsoever.

More on the other side.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Anyone that could kill anybody, then not be physically ill, let alone how brutal it was, to then turn around and you don`t have some kind of romantic event within hours, basically barbarically, brutally killing someone you professed your love to, it`s beyond me.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I think most people that know her can see through this.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She had two small bandages, it seems like, on one of her fingers -- a couple of fingers.

She told me that she worked at Margaritaville and she had cut her finger.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Is there a business establishment, a bar or restaurant by the name of Margaritaville?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No, sir.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: What a day in court, the defense asked for a mistrial but they don`t get it. They said well, the medical examiner tells one story about the order in which Travis Alexander is killed and the lead detective says that well, it happened a different way and therefore they don`t know what their stories are and let`s throw out the case and the judge said no to that.

Meanwhile in court today, the prosecution, they basically took us through Jodi Arias` bizarre journey, her "mission to murder" as the prosecutors would say, from California, it started just before Travis is killed obviously. Receipts show Jodi rents a car from Redding, California June 2, 2008. She drives through various parts of the state on that day and the next day. And she gets to Arizona on June 4, kills Travis Alexander.

Then she takes off. By June 6, receipts show that she`s gone into Nevada and then she ends up in Utah where she makes outs with a friend of Travis Alexander, somebody who wasn`t a close friend but who knew him and worked with him. And by June 7, she returns her car back to Redding, California.

Wow, that`s what I call a murderous road trip, at least according to the prosecution. Shanna Hogan, author of "Picture Perfect", you are writing a book about this case. To me, that is evidence of premeditation, they believe she took the gun from her house. She drives quite a distance in order to rent a car. And then she goes on this crazy trip where she kills Travis and then ends up making out with his friend in another state.
SHANNA HOGAN, INVESTIGATIVE REPORTER: It`s absolutely premeditated and evidence of a premeditated murder. But it actually goes even further than what was presented in court today that the car that she rented in Redding, they originally tried to give her a red car and she returned it and said it smelled like smoke. She didn`t want something too flashy. She ended up getting like a white, more modest car that she ended up turning the license plate upside down when she was in Travis` neighborhood.

Also her phone was turned off for a 24-hour period of time that day that he went missing and murdered that he`s presumed dead. Her phone was turned off. She stopped making purchases on her debit card. She was clearly trying to hide her trail and that type of stuff is going to come in court as we go forward.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: And the guy she was supposed to visit a couple of days earlier, she says the reason I`m late is that I got lost, I lost my charger, I was tired and I slept. He bought it until he found out that Travis Alexander was killed. And then he remembers oh yes she had cuts on her fingers.

Travis` friends find it disgusting that Jodi Arias killed their friends. She admits she killed him, she just says it`s self-defense and then drives to Utah and makes out with this new love interest Ryan Burns. And he testified that she was the aggressive one. She kind of jumped on him. Listen to this.

RYAN BURNS, FRIEND OF TRAVIS ALEXANDER: From the second we woke up, we were kissing.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And what else happened?

BURNS: She got on top of me, pretty aggressively and we were kissing.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: When she got on top of you very aggressively, where was her genital area compare with yours?

BURNS: She was right on top of me.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Anyone that could kill anybody then not be physically ill, let alone how brutal it was to then turn around and go have some type of romantic event within hours of basically, barbarically, brutally killing someone you profess your love to -- we told Travis, you can do so much better than this.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: Jordan Rose, isn`t that game, set, match. You kill somebody, you say it`s self-defense, but you go and have -- basically make out -- not full-on sex -- but make out and fool around with another guy the next day?

JORDAN ROSE, ATTORNEY: This was the best witness for the defense (SIC) -- meaning here we have her at best being a liar, at worst cold blooded killer showing virgin turned vixen right there in the courtroom because we can all imagine if somehow you end up killing someone in self- defense, with all of the trauma ma, the mental trauma that that may cause, you still cannot imagine, a couple of hours later, driving to another state and making out with some stranger. That`s crazy.

So, I think that particular witness was credibly effective in his testimony and the state is just lucky to have found the guy.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: It`s a very good witness for the prosecution -- I think that`s what you meant to say.

Jon Leiberman, again, jump in.

JON LEIBERMAN, HLN CONTRIBUTOR: Not to mention that the prosecution also showed today that Jodi Arias tried to clean up the crime scene and in fact she tried to use water to wipe the blood off of many of the different spots in the house where they found blood. That is so telling as well.

And another thing, Jane, after she meets this other new love interest we now know, she also went to the memorial service for Travis and on her MySpace page, she created a whole photo album quote, "In loving memory of Travis". All of that is coming out now as well.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: All right. Eric Schwartzreich, you`re a criminal defense attorney. Do you see any chance whatsoever that she could successfully use the self-defense argument. Yes or no because if it`s no we don`t need to go any further.

ERIC SCHWARTZREICH, CRIMINAL DEFENSE ATTORNEY: She has a very difficult hurdle Jane but yes, absolutely. It is a 12-round fight as you said or alluded to. The trial is never over. She`s going to have to take the stand. In a criminal case criminal defendants do not have to go on the stand to testify, it`s the Fifth Amendment. But if you`re asserting affirmative defense, if you`re asserting self-defense, you`ve got to look those jurors in the eyes and you have tell them why this happened and what you did. What you did and why you did it. The problem for Arias, big problem, is she spun all these tales. Defendants shouldn`t be speaking -- loose lips, they sink ships. In criminal cases they say the whole navy -- the defense is sunk.

And I know it sounds funny.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: She`s not just speaking, she`s singing. She`s singing. She`s giving interviews. That`s why she can`t take the stand. Listen, everybody says she`s going to take the stand.

Jon Leiberman, I don`t believe she is going to take the stand because they would cross-examine her about all her lies.

SCHWARTZREICH: Jane, she has to. She has to.

LEIBERMAN: I believe more than anything in this world, she wants to take the stand.

SCHWARTZREICH: I agree.

LEIBERMAN: This woman, if you look at her pattern of behavior, she truly believes that she can lie her way through anything and people will believe her lies so. So I agree that in order to show self-defense, she will have to testify because she needs to make that emotional plea to one juror that she can be believed. But she will get ripped apart on cross- examination --

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Exactly.

LEIBERMAN: -- and I`ll bet her attorneys are telling her, do not testify.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: That`s why I don`t expect her to take the stand. Just like everybody said Casey Anthony is going to take the stand because she`s a narcissist and she loves to see her name in the papers and on television. She didn`t take the stand. I don`t think Jodi Arias is going to take the stand either but we`ll see. Maybe she will. She`s very hard to predict.

On the other side of the break, we`re going to introduce you to a woman who was involved in one of the most -- she`s a victim of the most high profile longest-running stalking case in U.S. history. Stay right there.

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BURNS: From the second we woke up we were kissing.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And what else happened?

BURNS: She got on top of me, pretty aggressively and we were kissing.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: When she got on top of you pretty aggressively, where was her genital area compared to yours?

BURNS: She was right on top of me.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: Tomorrow on this show, an exclusive guest. I will talk to Travis Alexander`s mentor, a man who has been described as a father figure to Travis Alexander. We`re going to get insights into this victim. Don`t miss it tomorrow, 7:00 p.m. And of course, much more on the Jodi Arias trial tomorrow and in just a minute; we`ve got some more for you.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It says, "Hey there, handsome. This is a test."

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Her saying to you, "Hey hottie-biscotti, what`s new?"

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes, she`s a real flirt this one. And those are some of the e-mails she sent not to Travis Alexander -- to another guy. A guy she ended up fooling around with the day after -- maybe even less than a day after -- she killed Travis Alexander.

Quickly to the phone calls -- before we get to our next guest, an extraordinary guest.

Christine, North Carolina, your question or thought?

CHRISTINE, NORTH CAROLINA (via telephone): Yes, Jane, like I always tell you I love you, Rico and God bless your mother.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Thank you.

CHRISTINE: I`m learning more and more because I`m into this trial Jane. So I`ll probably be calling you a few more times.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Ok.

CHRISTINE: I noticed today when the forensic lady got up talking about all the blood. There was a lot of blood that was very low to the ground and if it was that low to the ground, then he had to be on the ground.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Oh, wow.

CHRISTINE: There was no way that he was attacking her, none, because the blood would not have been that low.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Shanna Hogan, journalist and author of "Picture Perfect" that`s a very, very good observation by Christine in North Carolina.

HOGAN: Not only were the blood droplets really low and there were signs that the knife was plunged maybe and that there`s blood droplets flicked at like six inches above the wall, there`s also drag marks that are on the base boards that kind of show that maybe his body was dragged through that entire bathroom hallway. And that left a void in the blood path. So there`s definitely signs that he was attacked and at least some of the wounds were delivered very low in the bathroom. So that was a very good point.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: I want to go to our next guest Sherry Meinberg, who is an advocate for stalking and she is the survivor of one of the most infamous, perhaps the most infamous stalking case in U.S. history. I understand, Sherry, first of all thank you for joining us and having the courage to speak out because this is something that happens to so many women and as we see in this tragic case to men too.

This victim, Travis Alexander who was allegedly stalked by Jodi, was stabbed 29 times. Your story, you were stalked by your ex-husband -- correct me if I`m wrong -- and in the course of trying to get to you, he then, instead abducts another woman, a random stranger and stabs her how many times?

SHERRY MEINBERG, STALKING VICTIM: 27 times.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: 27 times. Tell me.

MEINBERG: Not only that, he had grabbed her off of a corner, took her home, beat her up, took a beer bottle, cracked it in half, gouged out her stomach, then he rapes her and then he stabbed her 27 times. So I`m very happy that he couldn`t find me at that point.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: So he was looking for you, couldn`t find you and he just says, we`ll, this person is available, I`m going to grab this victim that I don`t even know and attack them.

MEINBERG: Right.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Do you see commonalities given that Travis Alexander was stabbed 29 times -- at first we thought it was 27 and the victim that could have been you but wasn`t, thank God, you`re here, was stabbed 27 times. Do you see that and other commonalities between these two cases?

MEINBERG: Yes, that was my first thought and also, they believed so strongly that they can have everybody believe their stories and they have told stories and told lies for so many years that people have believed that I think this is one of her problems. She keeps changing her story but everybody is aware now that she`s told too many and they`re not believing her.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: It must give you a chill when you see this case play out. I could imagine it must send a chill down your spine to thing "Oh, my god, it`s happened again."

MEINBERG: Yes. I was reading some of the articles about your show and what`s going on, and my stomach started shaking so it was just like I was back with Chuck. So there are a lot of similarities.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, I`m glad that you`re here, you`re ok, and take a deep breath and it`s going to be all right, you are safe.

MEINBERG: Thank you.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: On the other side of the break, is there a connection between pathological lying and violence? Some might think so.

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ARIAS: I wouldn`t use obsession. Travis was a wonderful person, but he was also very persuasive and he was hard to say no to. He wouldn`t allow me to not answer his text message. If I didn`t respond, he would keep calling and calling until I did.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: This case is proving one thing at least overwhelmingly beyond a reasonable doubt. This woman is definitely a pathological liar. Just as Casey Anthony was a pathological liar but, you know, one of the jurors said the Casey Anthony case said that you didn`t charge her so much with lying as you charged her with murder. Is lying sort of a distraction?

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BURNS: She had two small bandages it seems like on one of her fingers, a couple of her fingers.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What did she tell you about those cuts?

BURNS: She worked at Margaritaville, and I guess she broke a glass.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Is there a business establishment, a bar, a restaurant by the name of Margaritaville?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No, sir.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: So there is no restaurant by the name of Margaritaville?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No, sir.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: Check one more lie by Jodi Arias. Shades of Casey Anthony who lied, of course, about where she worked, Universal Studios. She didn`t. The list goes on and on.

Scott Peterson who killed his pregnant wife he lied like a master. Even called his mistress pretending to be in Paris, France, at the Eiffel Tower when he was at a vigil for his supposedly missing wife, the one he killed.

Darren Kavinoky, host of "Deadly Sins", which premieres on Investigation Discovery Saturday night at 9:00, is there a connection between liars and violence?

DARREN KAVINOKY, HOST, "DEADLY SINS": Well, first Jane, just to clarify, it`s the premiere of Season 2 this Saturday night on Investigation Discovery.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Congrats.

KAVINOKY: Thank you. As far as this connection with lying, the prosecution, of course, is going to try and use every single one of those lies to demonstrate consciousness of guilt. It`s just like fleeing the scene, anything that you might do after the fact that to throw investigators off the trail, they`re going to argue that that is consciousness of guilt.

But just wait for the spoiler alert that when we get into the defense case, they`re going to need to put the victim on trial, and they`re going to have to put on somebody that can try and explain away these lies as being the manifestation of some kind of a battered person syndrome. That somehow Travis was such a bad guy that he had her under this mind control and that has to be the reason to explain not only her lies but obviously this whole self-defense path that now the defense is committed to taking.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, Selin Darkalstanian, senior producer on the scene in Arizona, the prosecution better make sure they don`t make the mistake that the Casey Anthony prosecution did of really focusing so much on her lies that basically, yes, she was convicted of lying. That`s a problem.

SELIN DARKALSTANIAN, HLN PRODUCER: Yes, I mean they`re playing her phone conversations in court. And she`s -- you can hear her and she`s believing her lies like she`s actually saying it and she believes it. And the prosecutor is not even asking her another question and she`s delivering another lie and another lie. It`s almost like she`s really into it. She`s believing her story as it`s happening.

Yes, the prosecution needs to bring it right back to the photos, the bloody photos, the facts in the case. And I think they are doing that. They`re weaving in her lies as they`re showing you the evidence of the case. They`re weaving into her lies.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Michelle Ward, is there a connection between pathological liars and a propensity to violence?

MICHELLE WARD, PSYCHOLOGIST: Well, you mentioned Scott Peterson and Casey Anthony and now Jodi Arias. They`re all psychopaths. Come on. I mean that`s what they are. Not all psychopaths kill people, these psychopaths did. You`re just seeing the lying behavior, which is one of the hallmarks of psychopathy. You also have the lack of guilt, no remorse. They have no conscience. That`s what we`re seeing here.

Yes, liars aren`t necessarily murders but psychopaths are always liars.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well put.

More on the other side.


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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She was certainly displaying evidence of borderline personality disorder, wildly emotionally unstable, inability to maintain this relationship and she tied a lot of her identity up to Travis. I mean she became a Mormon to try to be somebody he could marry and she was really controlling. I mean, from what I`ve read, she was trying to control all aspects of his life.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: My examination did show that the jugular vein and the carotid artery on the right side were both cut.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: How deep is this wound?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It goes all the way back to the spine. So it`s three inches, four inches.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: Wow, this case has already gotten a little crazy; the defense asking for a mistrial today saying, oh, the medical examiner and the lead detective can`t get their stories straight. It was denied, but you`ve got to wonder and I`m going to bring in my three expert panelists here to debate this.

If this is going to be a Casey Anthony where the prosecution focuses so much on Jodi Alexander`s lies that the jury is left with the impression, wow, she`s a pathological liar but I can`t necessarily say for sure she didn`t kill him in self-defense, that she`s a murderess. Starting with Eric.

SCHWARTZREICH: Jane, she`s beautiful, she`s smart, she`s attractive. She doesn`t look like that dark, deep, dangerous place like a murderer. It`s a good thing for the defense.

The problem is that she is spinning so many tales and the courtroom and her wardrobe changes, I mean she`s had more wardrobe changes than Vanna White. The courtroom is supposed to be staged -- it`s supposed to be staged but this looks staged. The bottom line is, are they going to believe because she`s lying and we saw Casey Anthony get the acquittal, does that mean that she`s a murderer.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Got it.

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SCHWARTZREICH: Does that mean the death penalty should apply here? I don`t think she gets the death penalty in this case.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Leiberman?

LEIBERMAN: Completely different case than Casey Anthony. This case has so much physical evidence, the Anthony case did not. This you have the defendant on tape lying. It`s actually documented.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, we`re going to having to see. I remember, you know, watching that Casey Anthony case. And say focus not on the lies but on the killing.

Tomorrow, an exclusive guest, Travis Alexander`s mentor. Join us.

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NANCY GRACE

Jodi Arias Trial Day 5

Aired January 10, 2013 - 20:00   ET

THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.


NANCY GRACE, HOST: Breaking news tonight, Mesa, Arizona. They meet up on a trip for work in Vegas and fall hard. But when the flame burns out and they break up, she then moves 300 miles to get back together, to pursue him, even converting to Mormonism to get her man. But then 30-year-old Travis Alexander found slumped dead in the shower of his five-bedroom home, shot, stabbed 29 times, violence so brutal it resembles a mob hit.

Now we learn just hours after Arias stabs her 30-year-old lover, Travis Alexander, to death in the shower, Arias has sex contact with a brand-new boyfriend, egging the new boyfriend on sexually, even climbing up on top of him as if nothing`s wrong, and the whole time Travis Alexander`s body decomposing in a damp shower stall.

Bombshell tonight. Arias`s elaborate web of lies exposed in court. The blonde-turned-brunette sits demurely during her murder one trial, decked out in a new forest green ensemble as it`s revealed she lies about everything, from her job to her boyfriends to her religion, her alibi, even the restaurants where she eats and works. And now they want to us believe her in court?

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: When did you first find out what happened?

JODI ARIAS, CHARGED WITH MURDER: Dan called me.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Dan who?

ARIAS: Dan Freeman. I`m sorry. (INAUDIBLE) you`re not making the trip up there. And he`s, like, yes, I think you`re going to have to. And then he`s, like, yes (INAUDIBLE) about Travis. And I was, like, What? You know, like, that`s never good. But I didn`t think anything at first (INAUDIBLE) I was totally shocked. I just kept thinking maybe there`s a mistake.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He`s dead. He`s in his bedroom, in the shower.

911 OPERATOR: OK. How did this happen? Do you have any idea?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I felt so helpless because I wasn`t there.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She had two small bandages on a couple of her fingers. She told me she worked at Margaritaville, she broke a glass and cut her finger.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: In Yreka, is there a business establishment, a bar, a restaurant by the name of Margaritaville?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No, sir.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (INAUDIBLE) found his camera, and you know, it`s pretty much ruined and we don`t know why. We have no idea why somebody would, you know, destroy his camera. And...

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Oh.

ARIAS: I just felt totally helpless.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: Good evening. I`m Nancy Grace. I want to thank you for being with us. Bombshell tonight. Jodi Arias`s elaborate web off lies exposed in court. The blonde-turned-brunette sits there in court demurely in her murder one trial today, decked out in a new forest green ensemble as it is revealed she just lies about everything, from her job, her alibi, her past relationships, her boyfriends, even the restaurant where she works, where she eats, even getting lost on the freeway. Everything, every detail of her life, she lies about it.

You don`t think she would lie to the jury to save her own skin? If she will lie about working at Margaritaville versus Casa Ramos, who cares? Why would she lie about that?

Bombshells in the courtroom today. Straight out to Bonnie Druker, our team member at the courthouse. Bonnie, what happened in court?

BONNIE DRUKER, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER: Nancy, Margaritaville- That`s how the day started off. Now, remember Margaritaville is very crucial because she told Ryan Burns that she had to get back to Yreka to work at Margaritaville as a bartender. Remember, she told -- she told Ryan Burns that she cut her hand because a glass at Margaritaville fell on her hand.

As you mentioned, she actually worked as Casa Ramos. So you know, it`s just really, really hard to take anything that she says seriously. It`s almost like -- wow, unbelievable, Nancy, just watching her sitting there calmly lie after lie after lie after lie after lie.

GRACE: You know who this reminds me of? Out to you Mike Walker, senior editor with "The National Enquirer." He was onto this story before it ever went to a court. I mean, this reminds me so much of tot mom and Scott Peterson, Mike, because they all lied about their jobs. They lied about their alibis. They lied about the mode of death of the victim. They lied about where they were.

They all gave national interviews, interviews to the press, interviews to other people, comments. They all changed their stories at some point or another. They all even dyed their hair, Mike Walker, let`s see, from dark to blond to dark again, which is an eerie comparison.

And I know. I don`t have to go to the lawyers, Marla Chicotsky, Alan Ripka to go, Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, just because they lie doesn`t make them a murderer. You know what? I agree with that. I`m going to give you that, Mike Walker. But it goes to credibility. It all goes to credibility, Mike.

MIKE WALKER, "NATIONAL ENQUIRER" (via telephone): Well, it does, indeed. And every -- as you put it, every word out of this woman`s mouth seems to be a lie. She even lies when there`s no reason to lie -- all of the stuff about, you know, the going to the guy`s house right after, you know, but Oh, no, I killed him in self-defense. Well, if you did that, weren`t you upset? Would you go to bed with a guy right after you killed somebody, even if it was in self-defense? I mean, you would drive, you know, up to Utah from the crime scene in Arizona?

None of it makes any sense. And I only want to ask you one thing. What do you make of a camera in a washing machine that has not come up anywhere that has pictures of the guy alive in a shower, and then a picture of him dead? Who threw that camera into a washing machine and for what reason?

GRACE: Well, as a matter of fact, Jodi Arias is caught on tape talking about -- with police, about that camera. Hey, Liz, get me that sound of her when they first confront her about the fact that that digital camera was bought and what she knows about it.

Hold on just a moment, Liz. Thank you. Before I play that, I want to go to a special guest joining us tonight, and he is taking your calls. This is a close friend, a former roommate of the murder victim, Travis Alexander. He actually drove Jodi Arias, not realizing he was driving a murderer propped up there in the front seat with him, to the police station for the very first time. He also went to visit her behind bars.

Joining me and taking your calls, which I find significant -- not afraid to answer questions, nothing to hide. Aaron Dewey is with me. Aaron, thank you for being with us.

AARON DEWEY, FRIEND AND FORMER ROOMMATE OF TRAVIS ALEXANDER: Thanks for having me, Nancy.

GRACE: Aaron, I`m extremely curious about what happened when you drove Jodi Arias to the police station the first time she went there. First of all, how did she end up in your car? Why were you driving her to the police station?

DEWEY: Well, you know, I lived with Travis the whole time that he and Jodi were dating, and so I knew her pretty well, actually considered her a friend. And so when she had come back to Arizona from California for his memorial service, I spent a lot of time with her that weekend.

As we were talking, she knew at that point that she was at least a person of interest in the case. And so she thought that it would help to clear her name if she went down to the police station, gave a statement, gave her fingerprints voluntarily. She thought that would all help her out -- no regard to what happened to Travis there.

And so you know, being here without transportation, she asked me if I could help her out with that, and so I took her down to the police station and sat while she gave her statement.

GRACE: Aaron, I`m very surprised she didn`t hit on you.

DEWEY: I`m sorry?

GRACE: I mean, you`re a good-looking young guy. You`re a good- looking young guy. Are you Mormon, too?

DEWEY: Yes, I am.

GRACE: Well, that seems to be her specialty. All right, let me just put that on a shelf and I`ll revisit that later. But back to the car ride to the police station. What happened?

DEWEY: You know, it`s so long ago, I don`t remember a lot. But you know, I do remember from that weekend having conversations where she was saying, you know, It`s so sad. He meant so much to me. Why would anybody want to do this to somebody that`s as great as Travis?

And you know, in the moment, that made perfect sense. There was nothing about those conversations that was in the least bit alarming to me. In hindsight, knowing what she did and how she was involved, it`s absolutely sickening.

GRACE: Aaron, what was her demeanor? Everyone, with me is Travis`s former roommate, Aaron Dewey. He also gave a ride to Jodi Arias to the police station.

What was her demeanor? And did you have any qualms about driving a murder person of interest in your car with you?

DEWEY: You know, at the time, I didn`t believe that she was involved, you know? I didn`t think that Jodi was capable of doing something like this, and let alone to someone like Travis, who she claimed to be very much in love with. So at the time, you know, there was no fear for my safety. I was doing something to help out a friend.

But looking back, it`s pretty scary to know how close she was to me after what she had done just a few days before.

GRACE: Aaron, you told me that you lived with Travis during the time he dated Jodi. What was that relationship like? What did you observe, if anything?

ARIAS: You know, when they first met, Travis was on cloud nine. Here was a very attractive young lady that he had met at that convention in Las Vegas. They shared a lot of similar interests, some similar passions, a real drive and ambition in life. He thought he had found the one.

And at the beginning of the relationship, everything seemed like it was going to go perfectly and possibly go all the way. Things deteriorated quickly. There were lots of trust issues. And she...

GRACE: Whoa! Whoa! Whoa! Whoa! Whoa!

DEWEY: ... turned out to be...

GRACE: Wa-wait! Wa-wait!

DEWEY: ... not the person that he thought.

GRACE: Right there. Right there, Aaron. Let`s not put perfume on the pig. What do you mean by there were a lot of trust issues?

DEWEY: Well, you know, she`s admitted in some of her statements that she would go through his e-mails, his social media accounts, his text messages. There was a time when they were on vacation together, and he was asleep or in the shower and a text message came in from another girl, and she responded to that girl as if she was Travis, telling her how happy that he was to be with her and she`s the best thing that ever happened, in an attempt to scare this girl away from Travis.

GRACE: Wait. This is new to me.

DEWEY: And you know...

(CROSSTALK)

GRACE: Hold on!

DEWEY: ... talking about the web of lies.

GRACE: Wait. Wait. So Travis Alexander`s taking a shower, prophetically, and she`s looking at all of his texts, and a text comes in from another woman. And she starts texting back and forth with the woman as if she`s Travis Alexander?

DEWEY: That`s correct.

GRACE: OK. That`s crazy.

DEWEY: Absolutely. I agree.

GRACE: What, may I ask, was she texting this woman?

DEWEY: These are the kinds of things she would do.

GRACE: What was she saying, Get away from him, you big tramp? What was she saying?

DEWEY: Oh, no, no. She was parading as if she was Travis. So you know, I`m having a great time out here. I`m so happy to be with Jodi. She`s such a wonderful girl -- anything to make this girl believe that Travis was more interested in Jodi than he was in her, which was not the case.

GRACE: Let me ask you this. You take her to the police station. Did you go in with her?

DEWEY: Uh-huh.

GRACE: You went in with her? What happened inside?

DEWEY: I did. I had to sit down in the waiting room while she went up with the detectives to give her prints and give her statement. So I don`t know what transpired during that interview.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: A digital camera that was found inside of the washing machine.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: On the memory card, pictures of Travis seconds before he was killed.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We found this camera, and you know, it`s pretty much ruined, and we didn`t know why.

ARIAS: Oh.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And after the camera was dropped, a shot of Jodi Arias dragging his bloody body.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We`re just dumbfounded. We have no idea why somebody would, you know, destroy his camera and...

ARIAS: Oh.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Those stains are all from about 12 inches and down. The blood source was actually low, and those blood stains simply flew to the side and...

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: Another bombshell day in the courtroom, Jodi Arias on trial for the horrific murder of her Mormon lover, Travis Alexander. And with me -- not only do we have, caught on tape, Jodi Arias in one of her police interviews, but also the young man who took her to the police station, who drove her there at her request.

And following up on that scenario you just told me about, Aaron Dewey, she was texting back and forth with her next would-be boyfriend, Ryan Burns, and she said -- was describing the incident you`re describing, and says that she wrote to the girl, Time to go cuddle with Jodi. Good night.

Now, if that wouldn`t scare away a potential girlfriend, I don`t know what would.

DEWEY: Right.
GRACE: All right, Aaron Dewey, here taking your calls. But right now, I want to listen to Jodi in her own words caught on tape.

(BEGIN AUDIO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Tell me if you or when you had contact with him, or the last time you talked to him?

ARIAS: Yes, I think -- I know that I talked to him early Monday morning, which was -- I was just up late Sunday night, for example. And I probably talked to him -- it may have been a good 45 minutes that morning.

And we were just talking about how he lived. He had conversation with another person about (INAUDIBLE) and they were -- and it was really a conversation, and he was just talking a lot about what was said there. And I think we probably talked until about 4:00 in the morning, I think.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Wow.

ARIAS: Yes, we were -- he was a night owl. I`m a night owl. And it wasn`t a really long conversation. Like, we`ve had conversations that have lasted hours and hours, but this one was probably only about -- I want to say 45 minutes. It may have been longer.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And when did you guys actually start dating.

ARIAS: Not for a while. We met in September. The following weekend, he invited me to church. And the following Wednesday of that Sunday, he gave me a copy of The Book of Mormon. I started reading it. I got baptized November 26th.

We would talk a lot and hang out a lot. And we kind of had, like, a thing, and there was definitely an attraction and an interest, but we weren`t officially dating until about February of 2007, around his birthday. I think a string of events sort of pushed that together. Travis has kind of a commitment phobia, I guess you could say.

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GRACE: She thinks he has a commitment phobia? I guess so. He doesn`t want to be engaged to an axe murderer, bottom line.

We are taking your calls. Out to the lines. Jeannie in Tennessee. Hi, Jeannie. What`s your question?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Hi, Nancy. How are you today?

GRACE: I`m good, dear.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Oh. I adore you so much and what you stand for.

GRACE: Thank you. Thank you very much.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Lord knows you have a special -- Lord knows you have a special place in heaven, my friend.

GRACE: You know what? Your mouth to God`s ear, Jeannie. What`s your question, my love?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Anyway, my question is -- I don`t quite get it. She claims it was self-defense, was her last story or lie or whatever you want to call it. If she was in another state, how was she in danger?

GRACE: You know what? I`m going to throw that to the defense attorneys, Jeannie in Tennessee. Unleash the lawyers, Alan Ripka, New York, Marla Chicotsky, Miami. All right, Marla, so she`s claiming that she was kind of under his Svengali control, that she was his sex slave, that he verbally and emotionally abused her.

So why does she drive on one occasion 300 miles and on another occasion over 1,000 miles to get back to him? She`s the one pursuing him, Marla.

MARLA CHICOTSKY, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Well, we don`t know if that`s exactly true, Nancy. She could be...

GRACE: Why do you say that?

CHICOTSKY: ... getting text messages -- she could be getting text messages, e-mails. Sometimes in relationships, a woman can get manipulated by the man.

GRACE: Put her up, please!

CHICOTSKY: We don`t know, unfortunately, his side of the story.

GRACE: Marla?

CHICOTSKY: Yes?

GRACE: Marla, that`s not what I said. I said on one occasion, she drove 300 miles after the breakup. On another occasion, she drove 1,000 miles to get back to Travis Alexander. That`s what I said. I did not mention text messages or phone calls.

If he was abusing her and she wanted to get out from his sexual control, then why did she drive 1,000 miles to just get slung up with him? Could you tell me that? That doesn`t sound like an abusive relationship, Alan Ripka.

ALAN RIPKA, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Well, you haven`t heard, Nancy, of women who in abusive relationships want the security of the person they`re with, the guy who puts the spell on the woman? Yes, she may have gone back to him because she believed she wanted to be with him. It doesn`t mean it`s healthy.

GRACE: Actually, Alan Ripka, having worked at the battered women`s center for 10 years as a volunteer -- actually, no. I think in the true sense -- I`m going to go to Bethany Marshall on this. She`s the shrink expert joining me out of LA.

Bethany, in a true battered women syndrome case, the battered woman wants to get away, but she`s afraid to get away. And she yearns for a different life but is brainwashed to think she can`t have a different life. Here this woman got away. She moved 1,000 miles away.

BETHANY MARSHALL, PSYCHOANALYST: And she should have gotten a support system and stayed there. I would say this is not battered wife syndrome because I think the fact is that she went back to him like a moth to the flame, to punish him for the rejection.

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GRACE: We are taking your calls. We are there at the courthouse.

I want to go back to Aaron Dewey, close friend, former roommate of Travis Alexander, joining us tonight. You take her to the police station. You`re hearing her caught on tape as she tells the cops all this BS. And I am using your quote. You said, I took her to the police station to give her first BS -- except you did not use the initials -- statement to police.

Now, let me ask you this. As you saw the relationship begin to degenerate, what did you observe about Arias?

DEWEY: Nothing -- nothing super out of the ordinary, you know, when she would be there at the home because she still frequented the house regularly, even after they broke up, a little bit more distant, maybe not quite as bubbly and outgoing as she usually was, but nothing that seemed too out of the ordinary.

GRACE: To Mike Walker, senior editor at "National Enquirer." We know a completely different side of Jodi Arias, a side that was absolutely incensed, consumed with rage that she had sex with a guy all day long and all night long, and he was still going to take another woman to Cancun.

WALKER: That`s right. And the lady who said a moth to a flame to punish him for the rejection -- this is the whole core of this woman. She`s been vindictive. She`s described as a stalker. Even the way she texted back the other woman saying, Hi, I`m Travis and I`m going to go sleep with Jodi now. She`s got a fierce flame burning inside her. She wants to punish.

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ARIAS: But what bothered me was there were -- not only were some flirtations, like, which I expected and which bothered me, but it wasn`t necessarily a crime. But there were plenty of -- there were, like, plans, like, things like, Well, where do you want to meet? Oh, I don`t know. Wherever the best place -- wherever the best place is for us to make out is.

I was, like, Oh, my gosh. You know, we had been dating for a few months at this point, and he always said, Well, we`re not dating anybody else. And to him, that was, I think, reasonable enough because I think in his mind, if he was making out with other girls but he wasn`t dating them, it was OK.

And the only reason I think that`s true is because of what we continued to do as he was dating Lisa, and I didn`t realize that, either. So I confronted him about it. Actually, I didn`t confront him at first. I should have been an adult about it and confronted him, but I held it in for a few weeks. And then it all came out. That`s when we broke up. And so I just realized that I don`t -- I didn`t feel like I could trust him fully to be monogamous and I don`t think that he could trust me fully to not get back in his phone some day. And then try to find something out.

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GRACE: So she didn`t trust him. Hmm. She admits she`s slashed him from ear to ear. Gee, I wonder why he didn`t want to marry her.

We are live, out at the courthouse there in Phoenix, Arizona, and taking your calls. With me right now Beth Karas, straight out of the courtroom. Beth, legal correspondent, "In Session".

Whoa, what a day, but first, a motion for a mistrial. The defense tries to get the case thrown out.

What happened, Beth?

BETH KARAS, LEGAL CORRESPONDENT, IN SESSION: Well, they lost the motion. That`s the bottom line. But they said it`s because there was contrary testimony from the lead detective at a hearing a couple of years ago regarding the aggravating factor of cruelty that would make this case a death case if the jury finds first degree. And they`re saying that the sequence of shots -- I mean fatal wounds testified to in 2009 at this hearing is different from what the testimony was at the trial.

At the hearing, the testimony and the judge found was that the shot to the head was first, but it didn`t render Travis Alexander unconscious. He could still fight. And there was a finding of probable cause of cruelty. That`s the aggravating factor.

Well, this judge said, look, OK. Now the testimony is the stab wound to the heart was the first fatal wound that didn`t render him unconscious. He was able to keep fighting. He had defensive wounds and the shot came later. I still find it was cruel. So I`m denying your motion and besides, it`s kind of late for you to say that the theory of the sequence changed.

GRACE: Well, yes, because, Beth Karas, it`s my understanding that the defense interviewed the medical examiner, I believe Dr. Horn, over a year ago or around a year ago? So they went through the sequence with him then regardless of what the police officer said and another thing, Beth, I`m not -- maybe I just can`t get my mind around the argument. They`re saying that it`s more cruel to, what, stab somebody, then shoot them as supposed to shooting them, then stabbing them? Does it really matter? You say tomato, I say tomato?

KARAS: Well, basically yes. And the judge said wait a second. He`s still alive for all of those stab wounds and defensive wounds or he wouldn`t have bled so much. His heart was still beating. So whether he was shot first or stabbed in the heart first because there were three major fatal wounds, stab to the heart, gunshot to the head and slashed across the throat.

And the testimony at the trial was the gunshot had to come later because it went through his brain. The slash of the throat had to come later because he was dead within seconds after that. The stab to the heart was the first wound and that`s why he fought because it didn`t kill him right away.

GRACE: Well, to me, it`s slicing hairs. Which injury -- what I care about, Beth, is the sequence of events as to how he was killed. I think stabbing somebody 29 times, shooting them in the face, chipping their head, their skull with a knife, cutting them ear to ear, to me it`s incredibly heinous regardless of which wound is first.

Beth Karas, with us just coming straight out of the courtroom.

Beth, did she hide behind her hair like Cousin It all day today the way she did yesterday?

KARAS: Well, she did. She went when the blood spatter photos were shown again and the description was delivered by the blood spatter expert about the -- how many different events there were and how Travis Alexander was down on the ground during this event and then there would have been another event of a stabbing or something that caused more spatter.

He was standing at the sink, he was spitting blood, dripping blood. And then staggered down the hall. So she was hiding her face behind her hair as well as glasses. But you know what, when that mistrial motion occurred and the jury was gone, she sat up straight and she was not wearing her glasses.

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GRACE: Did she wear glasses before this trial, Beth, or is that an acquired look?

KARAS: No, actually, I saw her once at the jail about a little over a year ago when I went to interview her and her former lawyer pulled the plug on the interview just as I was about to do it, and when she came out, she was wearing dark rimmed big, big glasses that were dark rimmed. I didn`t recognize her at first because of the glasses. So she did wear them at the jail.

So yes, maybe she has an option to wear them because she wasn`t wearing them just now on the courtroom for the mistrial motion but in front of the jury, she`s now wearing glasses.

GRACE: Alexis Tereszcuk, senior reporter, radaronline.com, I guarantee that none of these men ever saw her wearing glasses.

ALEXIS TERESZCUK, REPORTER, RADAROLINE.COM: Absolutely not. You`re right. There are no photos of her with any of the guys ever wearing glasses. And in fact, she had her very, very platinum blonde hair. Much more of a bombshell look than what she has now which is this mousey brown hair and this really just plain green shirt that she had on today. It`s a completely different look than she`s ever had in years and years.

GRACE: Joining me right now is a renowned forensic scientist. We all know Dr. Henry Lee, chair professor of forensic science, University of New Haven.

Dr. Lee, thank you so much for being with us.

You`re most welcome, Nancy.

GRACE: Dr. Lee, you have been a star witness in some of the most high-profile cases in this country. I can`t say that I`ve always agreed with you. But I have always respected your opinion. I`d like to know what you think about the blood evidence at the scene, specifically the fact -- and Beth will correct me if I`m wrong, I hope, that there was blood spatter underneath the scales in the bathroom and underneath the bathroom rug.

It reminds me of a case I had many, many years ago where it was a suicide or so it was said. But I happened to notice that there was blood spatter under the pillowcase where the deceased was lying when she committed suicide. That`s impossible. All right? So why is there blood spatter under the bathroom rug and under the bathroom scales?

DR. HENRY LEE, CHAIR PROFESSOR OF FORENSIC SCIENCE, UNIVERSITY OF NEW HAVEN: Well, in the bathroom, they probably have couple of thousands of bloodstain, blood spatter. Especially on the floor and the sink. And the floor area basically if you drip in the blood, the blood may bounce, got underneath the scale. As far as the mat, which means could be because the testimony say more likely below which could be tried to clean up, put the mat on top of it. So subsequently soak into the mat.

The most important thing, Nancy, you probably notice about 500 or more blood spatter on the sink area. Those are medium velocity blood spatter which suggests have to have certain force. Could be the slow/through because that cover about two to 10 inches in area. Which means a lot of blood gushing out at that point of attack.

Another very interesting thing which did not mention in your show, I don`t know mentioned in the trial or not because I heard, watch your show, a lot of argument about what`s the sequence, shot first or stabbing first. If you remember look at the crime scene photo have a casing on top of the bloodstain. And that`s on the bathroom floor, too, which suggests a deposit on the floor, subsequently a casing ejected on top of the bloodstain.

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GRACE: Man, what a day in court today.

Everybody, we are taking your calls, but I want you to hear Jodi Arias in her own words.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I mean obviously, you guys dated before.

ARIAS: Yes, we dated.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Were kind of just still really good friends, but not, you know, romantically seeing each other anymore.

ARIAS: Not exactly. We broke up last -- yes. I would say there was certainly a romantic side to it, you could say, or an intimate side to it, but we weren`t exactly on the path to marriage or anything like that, and we both knew that.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I don`t want to make this unpleasant or anything, but I mean, was it still a sexual relationship going on after that?

ARIAS: Yes, there was.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK.

Do you remember when he bought that camera?

ARIAS: April maybe? I know it was after I moved. It could have been in May.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK.

ARIAS: Could have been in May. I know it was after I moved up here because I was here while I was on the phone with him purchasing it.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You never got to see the camera then or anything?

ARIAS: No, and I`m trying to remember, maybe.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Well, the reason I`m asking is because we found this camera, and you know, it`s pretty much ruined and we didn`t know why.

ARIAS: Oh.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I can`t, you know, discuss why but, you know, or how it`s ruined but we were just -- it`s -- we`re just dumbfounded. We have no idea why somebody would, you know, destroy his camera. And I wonder if you can describe it to me but obviously you haven`t seen it, you never touched, never seen it so.

ARIAS: No. I think -- I`m thinking there`s a picture of him on Facebook where he took a picture of himself in the mirror.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK.

ARIAS: And I think that`s his camera. So I mean, I can`t tell what it is, though, the picture isn`t really sharp and it`s a small resolution. But there`s a picture of him, profile picture on Facebook.

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GRACE: So they`re caught on tape. We learned two major things. Number one, we learned that she was taken aback that she they had found that digicam. Oh, oh, those are her responses and number two, that she knew she was just a booty call. That the relationship was over. They just got together for sex and she spends a whole day, Mike Walker, having sex with him. She gets there about 3:00 in the morning and they`re down and dirty until the clock goes around and around and around. They`re finally taking a shower and he says, no, I`m not going to call off my trip to Cancun with another woman. Boom. That`s that, Mike.

MIKE WALKER, SENIOR EDITOR, NATIONAL ESQUIRE: Yes, that was that. And remember, this is a real black widow. I mean, remember, let`s not forget that this woman even if -- even if you kill someone in self-defense, Nancy, if you do that innocently, you`re ripped up inside emotionally. You know, affected. And suddenly, after this murder, she flies up to or drives up to Utah and she`s in bed with this guy who said she acted perfectly normal. They were lovey, dovey, they had sexual contact.

It`s just astounding that this woman is even walking around. I mean, I can`t even -- I can`t even tell you the last time I saw a female that was this scary.

GRACE: To Aaron Dewey, everyone, joining us tonight at the courthouse and taking your calls. Very close friend of Travis Alexander, actually gave Jodi Arias a ride the first time she went to go clear her name with police. You`re hearing some of those tapes, caught on tape right now.

You know, Aaron, you didn`t just give her a ride. You also went to visit her behind bars on one occasion. What happened?

AARON DEWEY, CLOSE FRIEND OF MURDERED TRAVIS ALEXANDER: That`s correct. It was pretty, pretty much a nonevent. I was home alone one year on Christmas. Decided with the new year coming up I needed to make my peace with her. By this time I knew enough evidence against her that she was definitely involved, and so I wanted to see what she had to say. Went down to the -- to the jailhouse, spent, you know, maybe only about 15 minutes with her, and probably the most nonchalant conversation I`ve ever had with Jodi. Life is good, no big deal that I`m behind bars for murder. How is this person? I haven`t talked to them in forever.

Not the type of conversation that you would expect to have someone that is carrying the guilt of slicing and dicing their ex-boyfriend.

GRACE: Now I find that so curious. Curious, indeed.

To you, Dr. Bethany Marshal, she`s sitting there carrying on with Aaron Dewey who`s one of the best friends of the man she murdered. And she`s talking like, yes, I`m not in jail right now. Everything`s fine. Hey, have you seen so and so? What`s happening? It`s like hello? Are those handcuffs on yet? Is that a glass wall between us?

BETHANY MARSHALL, PSYCHOANALYST, AUTHOR OF "DEALBREAKERS": She did so many things similar to Casey Anthony. Can you hear it, like in that police interview, she throws in so many extraneous details that are not even important. Like the grainy picture, the resolution of the camera, that it was on Facebook. Detail, detail, detail just to manipulate the police.

The idea that she was so nonchalant to this friend in jail, this is like Casey Anthony saying oh, yes, I`m going to help -- I`m going to start a foundation to help children who are missing, lost or exploited. So all this stuff. The third thing that stands out to me is the use of sexuality. Fourteen hours of sex? I mean, really? To convince him to not go to Cancun?

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(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

RYAN BURNS, JODI ARIAS EX-BOYFRIEND: She told me she worked at Margaritaville and she cut her finger. She broke a glass.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Is there a business establishment, a bar or restaurant, by the name of Margaritaville?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No, sir.

ARIAS: It is very compelling, but none of it proves that I committed a murder.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Travis left Jodi. No other options. Travis` continual abuse.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: How did you get this?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Primarily they were lost.

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GRACE: We are taking your calls. Out to Angie in Illinois. Hi, Angie. What`s your question?

ANGIE, CALLER FROM ILLINOIS: Hi, Nancy. I had earlier in the week, I believe that Jodi Arias ` mother was in the courtroom? Is that true, and if so, what is that relationship between her and her mother that she was living with the grandparents?

GRACE: Good question. Out to Beth Karas. Beth has just come out of the courtroom.

Beth, what do we know?


KARAS: Yes, her mother has been in the courtroom every day of the trial, and her mother`s twin sister, Jodi`s aunt, has also been attending along with another friend. Her mother did not talk to anyone. And we actually know the reason why Jodi was living with the grandparents. I do know that she didn`t finish high school and Jodi was a little bit of a control problem for her parents when she was an adolescent. She would run away a lot as a teen and dropped out of high school. Came from a stable family, though, is my understanding, but I don`t know the reason yet for why she moved in with her grandparents in April, two months before she killed Travis.

GRACE: Joining me right now, medical examiner out of Philly, Dr. Bill Manion.

Dr. Manion, thank you for being with us. You`ve heard the medical examiner`s testimony. What does this say to you?

DR. BILL MANION, M.D., MEDICAL EXAMINER, BURLINGTON COUNTY, NJ: Well, it says to me that the gunshot wound to the head likely was the last gunshot wound, and it is important, I think, because if that had been the first injury, then he would have been knocked out by that -- by that bullet. And if I were a defense expert, I would argue that, well, that first gunshot wound knocked him out, and all the other stuff that happened to him, he wouldn`t feel any pain.

So -- but here we have the medical examiner saying, no, the gunshot wound was last, so he would have suffered tremendous pain from the stab wounds, the slashing, the cuts on his hands, the obvious struggle, and as the medical examiner talked today, that wound to the neck is a very violent, vicious, deep wound. You know, it went back to the cervical vertebral column, to the vertebrae, to the backbone, for god`s sakes.

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ARIAS: We were intimate, but I wouldn`t say romantic.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: References to being used sexually by Miss Arias. I think I was a a little more than a dildo with a heartbeat.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: We`re taking your called to Jen in New Jersey. Hi Jen, what`s your question?

JEN, CALLER FROM NEW JERSEY: Hi, Nancy. My question is, is there any proof of this ongoing secret affair that -- the other woman? Or could this be more pathological ling and Jodi trying to play the victim?

GRACE: You mean to prove that Arias was still sleeping with him or that he was seeing another woman?

JEN: No, that Arias was still seeing him like behind everyone`s back.

GRACE: Good question. To Aaron Dewey, what do you know about her still seeing him?

DEWEY: Well, after they had broken up, you know, Travis tried to move on, dated some other girls, but Jodi would still be around. They continued their friendship, would still go on trips together, but they both claimed that there was nothing romantic there anymore between them. So the fact that he`s having interactions, texts, calls, whatever it is with other girls, he`s a single man. He has every right to do that. And because of her jealousy and her vindictiveness, she kept trying to get in the way of that over and over again.

GRACE: To Matt Zarrell, one of our team producers on the story -- Matt, what do we know in response to Jen`s question?

MATT ZARRELL, NANCY GRACE STAFFER, COVERING STORY: OK. What we know that -- that Travis Alexander was seeing Mimi Hall a couple of times, had a couple of dates with her in the days leading up to his death. That they had planned to go to Cancun together as friends, but that Travis Alexander wanted more of a relationship, but that Jodi Arias would not leave them alone and had even followed Travis Alexander and Mimi Hall on one of their dates.

GRACE: To Karen in Florida. Hi, Karen, what is your question?

KAREN, FROM FLORIDA: Hi, Nancy. I was just wondering -- and thank you for taking my call. I`m wondering why she doesn`t have more support from friends or more family at the trial? Does she -- and they`re like -- you know, in the past and stuff, is there any form of, like, mental illness in her background?

GRACE: OK. Let`s find out.

KAREN: I`m just wondering why there a lack of support.

GRACE: What do we know? Beth Karas, what do we know about that?

KARAS: Well, you know, she does have a friend in the courtroom, but she`s originally from northern California, so I don`t know that many of her friends would travel this far for this long,

GRACE: Right.

KARAS: If she still has any. But the friends locally in this area, around the Phoenix area, they were also Travis` friends. So, you know, she doesn`t really have anyone on her side who knew her through Travis.

GRACE: Everyone, we`ll be back in the courtroom in the morning.

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I`ll see you tomorrow night. 8:00 sharp eastern, and until good night, friend.

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