Caylee Marie Anthony #164 6/25/10 - 7/14/10

[monkalicious]

Good Morning, Monkeys!  I've got a crazy day ahead of me, (taking my 86 year old mom to see "Fiddler on the Roof", getting the house ready for an open house tomorrow, whining about my allergic reaction to prednizone, you know, the usual.)
I'll be in and out as I can.  Looking forward to everyone's insights.  Have a great day, all!

[trimmonthelake]

Have a great day Monkalicious!

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Caylee Anthony Document Dump - OUCH
Posted on June 25th, 2010

[Tevye]

Have a great day Monkalicious!

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Caylee Anthony Document Dump - OUCH
Posted on June 25th, 2010

Great read of the the Grund interview (dad, not Jessi). Thanks, Trimm!

[Scatty]

Have a great day Monkalicious!

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Caylee Anthony Document Dump - OUCH
Posted on June 25th, 2010

Great read of the the Grund interview (dad, not Jessi). Thanks, Trimm!

Thanks from me too, Trimm! RG should be a Monkey. He is sharp as a tack when it comes to the Anthonys and coming up with things that make you go HMMM.

[no rose colored glasses]

Good Morning, Monkeys!  I've got a crazy day ahead of me, (taking my 86 year old mom to see "Fiddler on the Roof", getting the house ready for an open house tomorrow, whining about my allergic reaction to prednizone, you know, the usual.)
I'll be in and out as I can.  Looking forward to everyone's insights.  Have a great day, all!

Hugs to you monkalicious.  Thanks Trimm for that link.

[flamom]

Hi Monkey friends..
I read some of G&C letters.. how pathetic..
RG's interview.. you have to like the guy..
Rick interview was rather brave ...
Bye Casey....
I think she is the sick fruit from the poisoned tree..
I am off to the airport.. Thank you Trimm for all the links and updates!!
Gotta love the Monkeys and YAY a shout out to Blink in the doc dump!!

[Missiontoconvict]

Clean cage wow that means I have some catching up to do since yesterday.  Thank you for the updates going to the old thread.  Justice for Caylee.

[ISpy]

Morning, Monkeys! Thanks to all for posting snippets of the letters and actual letters for the rest of us.

Thanks bunches, Trimm, for the concise set of links for George and Cindy's letters!  You rock! 

The overriding thought throughout reading Cindy's letters is I can't believe how blind Cindy is.  "There is none so blind as he who will not see.".  Cindy, who claims to be so in touch with Casey, knows her so well, is the the only one who knows how to deal with Casey (telling George, in essence, "back off" when he'd have evidence of Casey lying)...doesn't get it.  IMO, because of Cindy's emotional needs to be the be-all-end-all, she will not see what is clearly and painfully obvious to the rest of us.  I have a family member similar to Cindy.  She thinks she's so necessary to everyone, so helpful, sees herself as everyone's confidante/counselor/rescuer.  In reality, she's more just tolerated (sometimes barely by some).  Cindy's so consumed with her own self, she refuses the reality that Casey hates her just like she hated Caylee.  Cindy sending pics of Caylee with "love notes from Caylee" is just more of Cindy shoving Caylee down Casey's throat, more of Cindy pushing herself (her feelings, her love need) onto Casey.  Cindy absolutely needs Casey to affirm herself...not because she loves Casey, but because her value is wrapped up in Casey.  IMO, Casey's known this "from Day One" and has used it her advantage and as her weapon of choice, prior to Caylee.

Likewise, George is overly needy where Casey is concerned.  Reading his letters sent up all kinds of red flags.  Like most of you, they came across as being written by a lover to me also.  I know with all certainty if I were in jail, the very last thing on my father's mind would be weight gain. Seriously!  What is wrong with these people???!!!  George seems overly consumed with Casey's appearance, but I wonder if it's because Casey is so appearance-oriented and so he's speaking her "language".  His constantly referencing her hugs in his letters though, makes me feel sick.  The whole Papa Joe thing is weird.  Casey references George as "Dad" when talking directly to him and in conversations (letters/emails/calls) with others.  By George and Cindy's admission, Caylee called George Jo-Jo.  Neither my parents, nor my in-laws refer to themselves by their grandparent nicknames when they converse with us or write to us. Point is, those names are used within the context of the relationship.  So why would George be signing letters to Casey with a grandparent nickname?  Is he unable to separate and distinguish Caylee from Casey?  Given Cindy's issues with distinguishing Casey from herself, her overbearing personality, and how long George and Cindy have lived together, maybe so.  IMO, Caylee was always considered an extension of Casey (who, at least to Cindy, was an extension of Cindy).  What a convoluted mess!  It's interesting that George refers to his "life being over" long before the sexual abuse allegations surfaced...because Casey was in jail for murdering Caylee.  Where does that say about Lee?  George clearly feels that way because he repeats it in her letters.  What does that say to Lee?  That Casey is the only child worth living for?  I have a feeling at some point in Lee's childhood, he was discounted (and I don't mean in price).  IMO, he was deemed as "less than" Casey, resulting in George and Cindy sidelining him and pinning all their hopes (attention, praise, etc.) on Casey.  Big mistake!  Not sure if the devaluing was the result of a physiological problem with Lee (result of his "serious illness", autism/Asperger's Syndrome-?) or psychological problems with Casey that commanded the family's focus.

Just MO, but the family dynamics are so perverted (twisted and diverging from the norm) and convoluted (lacking normal parental and familial boundaries), that they created or fed Casey's sociopathic tendencies (or both). It's as if Casey was elevated as some sort of god (intentional little g, as in idol) that all their lives revolved around.  Reading both Cindy's and George's letters, there's definitely the sense that Casey is the pinnacle of the family.  She, alone, has the power to destroy the family (per George's last letter).  She clearly controls the family.  Although I doubt Lee is a saint (the high five, the secret sleuthing, the CMA scene, secrets vindictively kept from the parents ), I do feel somewhat sorry for him as a human being.  Second best is a hard place to live.  IMO, Casey has very successfully found each members weakness and exploited it to her advantage:  using Caylee as leverage over Cindy; using Cindy's and George's neediness to freeload; and using Lee's need to feel important/superior (and maybe get back a little at the parents) to keep her secrets.  The big question is:  Is the family a closed society due to the family dysfunction or is the family a closed society because of the family dysfunction?  It's the classic, Which Came First-the chicken or the egg? all over again. 

[ISpy]

Oops!  Forgot to add to my above post...It's strictly my opinion of course, as I'm neither a psychiatrist, nor a psychologist. So take it for what it's worth.  LOL! Checking back later!  Have a good day!

[Scatty]

Oops!  Forgot to add to my above post...It's strictly my opinion of course, as I'm neither a psychiatrist, nor a psychologist. So take it for what it's worth.  LOL! Checking back later!  Have a good day!

Excellent, excellent post ISpy! I agree with everything you said.

[ISpy]

Hey, Scatty!  *waving*

You just reminded of something else.  Many monkeys pointed out Cindy's seeming need to touch Lee a lot during the Memorial service and during interviews.  Now, I'm wondering if that isn't a protective measure (or a cross between control and protection).  Reading up on Asperger's here and it seems to fit what we've seen of Lee (and I mean that completely without malice, slight, or ill intent of any kind): the awkward speech patterns/odd wording (the seemingly endless broken sentences in his depositions, the "doublespeak", most of Memorial speech-it was extremely difficult to follow and understand); the inappropriate emotional reactions (Lee's laughter in discussing the garage decomp smell, the courthouse high-five after alluding the media, the always loyal and deadpan "I have to believe my sister.", the infamous anguished CMA speech, the childish act of dumping out the protester's dog's water dish); the physical awkwardness when trying to destroy the protester's large sign; and the lack of emotional depth and expression between he and his parents (interviews, depositions, the memorial).  It would be interesting to know Lee's social-emotional-physical history.  Of course, Casey/Cindy may be trying to exploit that with the Mitigation Specialist too...with this crew, you never know.

Not saying this is the case, but if Asperberger's is involved, it could explain why there may have been some inappropriate physical sibling contact, as Asperger's patients lack the learned normal social and emotional boundaries.  If this is in fact the case, it would be cruel, as well as devastating to the patient to use a mistake against the patient (key word here- mistake).

Is Asperger's the reason the family initially circled the wagons, moved from Ohio (near family), and closed ranks?  Is that the real reason Casey rarely had anyone over?  Why Cindy rarely had family over? Did Lee ever have friends over?  People who have nothing to hide, hide nothing (nod to Rob in Natalie's thread).  To be continued...

[Ono]

~ Thanks for all of the links!!!!

Am trying to wade through all of this nauseating hogwash... lol;  Random thoughts so far:

1) George's penmanship is really feminine & his letters are really peculiar.  Almost as a boyfriend, imo.

2) What is it with all of this "beautiful" stuff?  Weird & abnormal. Sickening ego-stroking. WTH?

3) Loved reading the Rev. Grund's interview-really like that guy.

4) Are the Anthonys teeny boppers in diguise?  There is no "there" there.

5) The lengths that CinCin will go to have her way is astounding.  Shades of Anita Slootsy ...

To be continued ...LOL

[seemeatthebeach]

George's addressing Casey as "Casey Marie" is very strange...
It seems like (in George's warped mind) he has replaced or sees Casey as Caylee Marie......he does not have a "normal" father/daughter relationship with Casey, and from the looks of it, never did.
George's focus/obsession with Casey's appearance/looks is just too weird.

Has anyone seen any letters from Lee to Casey?

[seemeatthebeach]

~ Thanks for all of the links!!!!

Am trying to wade through all of this nauseating hogwash... lol;  Random thoughts so far:

1) George's penmanship is really feminine & his letters are really peculiar.  Almost as a boyfriend, imo.

2) What is it with all of this "beautiful" stuff?  Weird & abnormal. Sickening ego-stroking. WTH?

3) Loved reading the Rev. Grund's interview-really like that guy.

4) Are the Anthonys teeny boppers in diguise?  There is no "there" there.

5) The lengths that CinCin will go to have her way is astounding.  Shades of Anita Slootsy ...

To be continued ...LOL

LOL I think Anitaslootsy and Cindy were conjoined twins separated at birth.....neither got a brain

[Ono]

~ Thanks for all of the links!!!!

Am trying to wade through all of this nauseating hogwash... lol;  Random thoughts so far:

1) George's penmanship is really feminine & his letters are really peculiar.  Almost as a boyfriend, imo.

2) What is it with all of this "beautiful" stuff?  Weird & abnormal. Sickening ego-stroking. WTH?

3) Loved reading the Rev. Grund's interview-really like that guy.

4) Are the Anthonys teeny boppers in diguise?  There is no "there" there.

5) The lengths that CinCin will go to have her way is astounding.  Shades of Anita Slootsy ...

To be continued ...LOL

LOL I think Anitaslootsy and Cindy were conjoined twins separated at birth.....neither got a brain

LOL   I think you're right.

[Ono]

Seeme ... haven't seen any letters from Lee to Casey.

[trimmonthelake]

Seeme ... haven't seen any letters from Lee to Casey.

I didn't either.......but this is funny.......
http://www.wesh.com/image/24041738/detail.html

[trimmonthelake]

http://www.wesh.com/news/24040189/detail.html#
Read: Letters to Casey Anthony
Letters To Casey Of Support, Disapproval Released

POSTED: 11:39 am EDT June 25, 2010
UPDATED: 6:07 pm EDT June 25, 2010
ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. -- WESH 2 is redacting information from letters released by the State that WESH has deemed are not pertinent to the case. We have removed information such as phone numbers and addresses of the individuals who sent a letter to Anthony in jail.

Links to assorted letters listed in article.

[anothermonkey]

Seeme ... haven't seen any letters from Lee to Casey.

I didn't either.......but this is funny.......
http://www.wesh.com/image/24041738/detail.html

That is funny!!

[akmom]

Have a great day Monkalicious!

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Caylee Anthony Document Dump - OUCH
Posted on June 25th, 2010

Great read of the the Grund interview (dad, not Jessi). Thanks, Trimm!

Thanks from me too, Trimm! RG should be a Monkey. He is sharp as a tack when it comes to the Anthonys and coming up with things that make you go HMMM.

I agree about RG, wouldn't surprise me if he reads here regularly.  Good thinking on his part about Casey and the gas cans...she was trying to get other people's prints on her car...