Natalee Case Discussion #840 6/17/10 - 6/22/10

[ozziesmom]

Who or what is Jinkosaurus?

Jean Casarez, a reporter for HLN (In Sessions).  But the way NG says it it comes out Jinkosaurus, LOL

OMG too funny....You're right!!

[akmom]

Joran reminds me of Frankenstein, so I guess he and Anita are Frankenstein and his mommy.  I do not know how she can live with herself and know that she helped create that monster.  I would never allow my child to attend a school with that hag.

[cecilita]

She said Stephany DID have amphetamines in her system.  I do not know a lot about drugs, would that be the same type of drug that they thought the wrappers were in her car??

IMO, no

Amphetamines could be prescription diet pills, in other words an "upper".  She may have been taking them to stay awake, or alert to be up all night.

I think roofies are considered a "downer".

But with the time it took to find her body, I don't know if the roofie would still show up!

IMO, because she had amphetamine in her system, the roofie may not have had the full effect since I think they have basically the opposite effect on the system.  In other words they would work against each other if I understand what each does correctly.

Hmmm, so I wonder if she fought back hard because of the effect of those and that helps to account for her horrific wounds.  They did mention on NG that it may be she took the uppers to stay up all night for poker

she seems sleppy in cameras and I think that she fought hard to deffend her life. Stephany was a soccer player for her university and I believe that she kicked the monster pretty hard.

[AZSunny]

She said Stephany DID have amphetamines in her system.  I do not know a lot about drugs, would that be the same type of drug that they thought the wrappers were in her car??

IMO, no

Amphetamines could be prescription diet pills, in other words an "upper".  She may have been taking them to stay awake, or alert to be up all night.

I think roofies are considered a "downer".

But with the time it took to find her body, I don't know if the roofie would still show up!

IMO, because she had amphetamine in her system, the roofie may not have had the full effect since I think they have basically the opposite effect on the system.  In other words they would work against each other if I understand what each does correctly.

Hmmm, so I wonder if she fought back hard because of the effect of those and that helps to account for her horrific wounds.  They did mention on NG that it may be she took the uppers to stay up all night for poker

she seems sleppy in cameras and I think that she fought hard to deffend her life. Stephany was a soccer player for her university and I believe that she kicked the monster pretty hard.

Well, I hope she had a good aim!!

[Anna]

Who or what is Jinkosaurus?

It is how Nancy Grace pronounces Jean Casarez's name.  It's an Annaism.

[Tylergal]

I hope everyone is listening to Dana!

[Anna]

Joy Behar is also covering this.  Hard to watch TV and listen to Dana at the same time.

Dana discussing the great details in Joran's confession inconsistent with forced confession.

[Gypsy DD]

The amphetamines were probably to keep her up for the casino games..she took them.

But in the pics she really really looks drugged to me..slow moving, head down..almost a zombie.  This would be from a huge dose of date rape drugs, roofies, ..because Joran knew she was wide awake and that posed a problem to rob her.

He tried to sedate her with his normal method..but with the speed in her system..she still had the fight or flight working for her.  He thought the drugs would make this easy..to rob her. 

HE thought wrong.  She fought back.  I don't think sex played a role in this..he was out to rob her of the money he had seen her win..and the WII  and other things in her car..her father says this is where she kept her other winnings, her jewelry..and anything else he could get his hands on..money is the only thing that matters to him.

He is $hit out of luck now. 

[Anna]

Magnolia,
That looks like the Official press release?  I think it is.

[Tylergal]

The amphetamines were probably to keep her up for the casino games..she took them.

But in the pics she really really looks drugged to me..slow moving, head down..almost a zombie.  This would be from a huge dose of date rape drugs, roofies, ..because Joran knew she was wide awake and that posed a problem to rob her.

He tried to sedate her with his normal method..but with the speed in her system..she still had the fight or flight working for her.  He thought the drugs would make this easy..to rob her. 

HE thought wrong.  She fought back.  I don't think sex played a role in this..he was out to rob her of the money he had seen her win..and the WII  and other things in her car..her father says this is where she kept her other winnings, her jewelry..and anything else he could get his hands on..money is the only thing that matters to him.

He is $hit out of luck now. 

[San]

Amongst the items that have been turned in as evidence which Joran had in is possession is:

- A book on Al Capone
- A Camera
- A photo album
And Currency from the following nations:
- Trinidad
- Tobago
- Venezuela
- Indonesia
- Philippines
- Chile
- Macow
- Euros
- Hong Kong
- Malaysia
- United States
- France

[Anna]

LOL!

Dana just called ALE Reno 911!  That's a pretty good description.

[klaasend]

Amongst the items that have been turned in as evidence which Joran had in is possession is:

- A book on Al Capone
- A Camera
- A photo album
And Currency from the following nations:
- Trinidad?
- Tobago?
- Venezuela
- Indonesia
- Philippines?
- Chile
- Macow
- Euros
- Hong Kong
- Malaysia
- United States
- France

I have to wonder why he would have all those types of currencies on him.  Has he stole money from others?  What happened to the other people he may have stolen from?  Especial those I added question marks to?

[Tylergal]

Amongst the items that have been turned in as evidence which Joran had in is possession is:

- A book on Al Capone
- A Camera
- A photo album
And Currency from the following nations:
- Trinidad
- Tobago
- Venezuela
- Indonesia
- Philippines
- Chile
- Macow
- Euros
- Hong Kong
- Malaysia
- United States
- France

And he is mentally ill.  Mental illness does not include being able to rob and kill in many languages and currency.

[Tylergal]

Amongst the items that have been turned in as evidence which Joran had in is possession is:

- A book on Al Capone
- A Camera
- A photo album
And Currency from the following nations:
- Trinidad?
- Tobago?
- Venezuela
- Indonesia
- Philippines?
- Chile
- Macow
- Euros
- Hong Kong
- Malaysia
- United States
- France

I have to wonder why he would have all those types of currencies on him.  Has he stole money from others?  What happened to the other people he may have stolen from?  Especial those I added question marks to?

Involved in human slavery trade.

[klaasend]

LOL!

Dana just called ALE Reno 911!  That's a pretty good description.

LOL I can just see Dompig in the role of Lt. Jim Dangle (short shorts) lol

[Anna]

Wendy Murphy put lots of things into perspective.  For example, mental illness is not a defense against murder.  Would require being legally insane.  And these vague accusations coming from Joran are not going to work within that system.

Personally, I think Joran supporters are trying to intimidate Peru but they have such an exaggerated sense of self-importance, not unlike Joran.  Peru doesn't care if the Dutch think Joran is not being treated well.  They just appear foolish in that they are supporting a monster.

[Anna]

Always remember to be found guilty of whatever he is charged with, it only requires a preponderance of evidence, like 51%, not even beyond reasonable doubt.  And only two of the three judges have to find him guilty.

I don't know what we are always so worried about except that he was allowed to walk before and we don't want that to ever happen again.

[Gypsy DD]

Amongst the items that have been turned in as evidence which Joran had in is possession is:

- A book on Al Capone
- A Camera
- A photo album
And Currency from the following nations:
- Trinidad
- Tobago
- Venezuela
- Indonesia
- Philippines
- Chile
- Macow
- Euros
- Hong Kong
- Malaysia
- United States
- France

So in the interview..that was 9 parts translated for us on UTube..her Dad says that she had a WII in her car, among other newer tech things..that were not recovered.  Her Dad said that she kept her winnings ..the $10,000 from the previous days, in her glove box, according to what her friends told him.  He said she liked to have the lastest high tech things..and they are all missing from her car. 

This leads me to believe that he either sold them, gave them to the taxi drivers..who in turn sold them.. or someone stole them from the SUV.  He even mentioned these in an interview saying he would like to have them back..and he would not prosecutte.  I think he is under the impression that either Joran sold them or gave them to the taxi drivers  to get him out of the country.

[Anna]

LOL!

Dana just called ALE Reno 911!  That's a pretty good description.

LOL I can just see Dompig in the role of Lt. Jim Dangle (short shorts) lol

That's what I was thinking as well, a really, really fat Lt. Dangle.