Hailey Dunn #10 3/18/11 - 4/05/11

[BabsKats]

Hi Starwyn,
I am so sorry that you were not able to have a child. Believe me, I understand! I went through all sorts of fertility tests etc and then was put on fertility drugs. All the years that I tried to get pregnant, I could not believe the parents that were fertile yet did not appreciate the blessings that they had. I finally got pregnant in my thirties and my baby is everything to me. She knows I follow these boards and it drives her crazy. She thinks I am already too overprotective, LOL! I was blessed with a mother who always put her children first. My mom was loving and caring and protective. I see so many disfunctional parents that were raised by disfunctional parents. I wish that there was a way to stop the cycle. One of my best friends is a social worker and she had to stop working with children. She was sickened by the way that the system put children back in unsafe homes. I don't want to get political, but our government squanders so much money away but very little of it is spent to protect our most prized assets, our kids. It all just breaks my heart!

Thank you, Sebastian.  <3 !!  I'm glad you are one of the parents who does all of those things that we all wish more would!!

You know, I just keep wondering - everyone keeps talking about bringing Hailey home, and they mean alive.  Well - to whom?  Will she go to BD? Really??  Or CD in his fifth wheel trailer with two babies already in there and no job?  Or with uncle Roger?  Who the heck would she come home TO?

Hi Starwyn!
I hate to say this, but I am leaning more towards Shawn having done something to Hailey. I will not give up hope until Hailey is found, but I don't have a good feeling after all of the kiddie porn was found. Speaking of kiddie porn, I am trying to think of some lie that Shawn could tell Billie to explain away ALL OF THAT kiddie porn on his computer. I just don't understand why she would even talk to him after that. Let's say she has convinced herself that Shawn did not harm Hailey, what about the kiddie porn?

Could be she's as sick in the head as he is, and gets her kicks out of it too?

[Tamikosmom]

Hi Starwyn!
I hate to say this, but I am leaning more towards Shawn having done something to Hailey. I will not give up hope until Hailey is found, but I don't have a good feeling after all of the kiddie porn was found. Speaking of kiddie porn, I am trying to think of some lie that Shawn could tell Billie to explain away ALL OF THAT kiddie porn on his computer. I just don't understand why she would even talk to him after that. Let's say she has convinced herself that Shawn did not harm Hailey, what about the kiddie porn?

Sebastian

It has been revealed that the child porn was not just discovered on the computer at the home of Shawn's mother ... it was discovered on the computer at his grandma's home ... it was discovered on his memory stick at Billie's home and ... it was discovered on his cell.

The huge volume of images cases me to suspect that both Shawn and Billie were involved with the distribution of child porn which is a federal offence ... a federal offence that dictates years behind bars.

Could it be in Billie's best interest not to implicate Shawn in the disappearance of her daughter?  Could Billie realize if she turns on Shawn ... it would just be a matter of time before she is serving time related to a possession and distribution of child porn conviction.

IMO

Janet 

 

[Tamikosmom]

Hi Starwyn!
I hate to say this, but I am leaning more towards Shawn having done something to Hailey. I will not give up hope until Hailey is found, but I don't have a good feeling after all of the kiddie porn was found. Speaking of kiddie porn, I am trying to think of some lie that Shawn could tell Billie to explain away ALL OF THAT kiddie porn on his computer. I just don't understand why she would even talk to him after that. Let's say she has convinced herself that Shawn did not harm Hailey, what about the kiddie porn?

Sebastian

It has been revealed that the child porn was not just discovered on the computer at the home of Shawn's mother ... it was discovered on the computer at his grandma's home ... it was discovered on his memory stick at Billie's home and ... it was discovered on his cell.

The huge volume of images cases me to suspect that both Shawn and Billie were involved with the distribution of child porn which is a federal offence ... a federal offence that dictates years behind bars.

Could it be in Billie's best interest not to implicate Shawn in the disappearance of her daughter?  Could Billie realize if she turns on Shawn ... it would just be a matter of time before she is serving time related to a possession and distribution of child porn conviction.

IMO

Janet 

 

The above could explain why Billie is distancing Shawn from implication in the disappearance of her daughter despite words in affidavits to the contrary but ... what could explain Clint's distancing of Shawn ... what could explain Clint's defence of Billie.

Could it be that Clint still has feelings for Billie?  Could it be that Clint fears Billie will go down for illegal wrongdoing if Shawn goes down as the official suspect in the Hailey Dunn case.

Janet

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Part 2: Missing Texas teen Hailey Dunn’s uncle Richy Cooper speaks out
March 26th, 2011

Why does Clint defend Billie?

When asked why Clint defends Billie, Richy said, “The ladies are going to call foul here. But I’m a guy and I’ve got four children from two different women. Clint’s got a child with this woman and he was there when it happened.

“A man like Clint, who is as compassionate as he is, cannot on his best day ever want to believe that the mother of his child – that’s a love bond that’s just unbreakable – that the mother of his child could have had anything to do with Hailey not being here. Not being in his arms.”

<snipped>

Clint’s relationships with women

Bee asked, “Are Clint and Naomi still together or are they not together?”

Richy said, “The mysteries of Clint’s relationships.

"In the time that he was married to Billie Jean they were on-again off-again so many times they broke the switch. He would leave, she’d kick him out, he’d leave and come to our house, she’d come over and she’d cry and he’d hug her and they’d go back together.

“And this happened constantly. This was non-stop. Then he broke it off with her and he went solo.

"He’s kind of done OK for a little bit and then not so good for a while and then OK for a bit. He doesn’t seem to be able to stay single for very long.

"He’s a handsome guy and he does have a good laugh about him. He’s not an idiot and he does know what he’s doing, he does know how to handle himself with the ladies.

“As far as that goes I can’t comment on whether or not he’s actually with her now. They are living together in my mother-in-law’s home as of today. Nobody knows what tomorrow brings. I hope for the baby’s sake that they manage to stay together.

<snipped>

http://www.examiner.com/missing-persons-in-national/part-2-missing-texas-teen-hailey-dunn-s-uncle-richy-cooper-speaks-out

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/bringthemhomenow/2011/03/23/the-bring-them-home-now-exclusive-richy-cooper-and-missing-billy-disilvestro-serial-killer-on-the-lo

<snipped>

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Billie-Dunn-Innocent/154709951254680

Clinton Dunn
thank yall for this page. billie needs support too.
26 minutes ago

 

[mymonkey]

Hi Starwyn!
I hate to say this, but I am leaning more towards Shawn having done something to Hailey. I will not give up hope until Hailey is found, but I don't have a good feeling after all of the kiddie porn was found. Speaking of kiddie porn, I am trying to think of some lie that Shawn could tell Billie to explain away ALL OF THAT kiddie porn on his computer. I just don't understand why she would even talk to him after that. Let's say she has convinced herself that Shawn did not harm Hailey, what about the kiddie porn?

Sebastian

It has been revealed that the child porn was not just discovered on the computer at the home of Shawn's mother ... it was discovered on the computer at his grandma's home ... it was discovered on his memory stick at Billie's home and ... it was discovered on his cell.

The huge volume of images cases me to suspect that both Shawn and Billie were involved with the distribution of child porn which is a federal offence ... a federal offence that dictates years behind bars.

Could it be in Billie's best interest not to implicate Shawn in the disappearance of her daughter?  Could Billie realize if she turns on Shawn ... it would just be a matter of time before she is serving time related to a possession and distribution of child porn conviction.

IMO

Janet 

 

Hi,

Sorry to butt in....does anyone think that Shawn may have sold Hailey to a porn ring ?

[Tamikosmom]

Hi,

Sorry to butt in....does anyone think that Shawn may have sold Hailey to a porn ring ?

No butting in Hon.  I have been talking to myself all afternoon.

 

You could be right.

However ... my theory implies that it was a deceased barefooted Hailey who was taken from her bed by Shawn Atkins between 6:35 AM and 6:56 AM on the morning of December 27th wearing only a short sleeved T-shirt and blue sweats.

I could be wrong.  Until the truth is revealed it is all about speculating.

Janet

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December 27th: 6:35 AM - 6:56 AM

Documents Point To Mother, Boyfriend In Hailey Dunn's Disappearance
POSTED: 9:54 pm CST January 11, 2011
UPDATED: 2:17 pm CST January 12, 2011

<snipped>

One inconsistency in Adkins’ statements involved his employment on Dec. 27. Adkins told investigators that he was fired that day, but authorities contacted the employer, who said that Adkins was a good employee and that he hadn’t been fired.

Nevertheless, Adkins left his place of employment at 6:10 a.m. on the morning of Dec. 27 and told investigators that he went straight to his mother’s house in Big Spring. However, cell phone records indicate that Adkins’ cell phone was in contact with cell towers in the Colorado City area from 6:35 a.m. until 6:56 a.m., during the time when he said he was traveling to Big Spring.

<snipped>

http://www.ktxs.com/news/26459455/detail.html


It was Cold Outside

Documents Point To Mother, Boyfriend In Hailey Dunn's DisappearanceBy Merlin Mann, KTXS News
POSTED: 9:54 pm CST January 11, 2011
UPDATED: 2:17 pm CST January 12, 2011

<snipped>

Law enforcement officials detailed what Hailey left behind at her home: cash, a toothbrush, hairbrush, contact solution, a new MP3 player – and a jacket that friends say she would not have left home without.

The weather was cold outside, but Adkins said he last saw Hailey leaving without the jacket and the personal items.

<snipped>

http://www.ktxs.com/news/26459455/detail.html


Tennis Shoes Found

Efforts continue to find Hailey Dunn
Posted January 5, 2011 - 10:43am

<snipped>

“She didn’t take any shoes or boots,” Dunn said. Originally, she thought Hailey was wearing tennis shoes but discovered them in her daughter’s room. “It was cold and she was wearing flip flops. It’s what scares me the most.”

<snipped>

http://www.ccitynews.net/news/story/2011/01/efforts-continue-find-hailey-dunn


Updated AMW Missing Persons Alert

AMW Case

Hailey Darlene Dunn

<snipped>

Police say Hailey Darlene Dunn is a student and cheerleader at Colorado City Middle School. They say the 13-year-old girl was last seen wearing navy blue sweatpants, a short-sleeved light-colored T-shirt, flip flops and red hoop earrings. They say Hailey’s upper left ear is also pierced, and she stands at 5 feet 1 inch tall and weighs around 120 pounds. She has hazel eyes and light brown hair with blond highlights.

<snipped>

http://www.amw.com/missing_children/case.cfm?id=76136

[Cappuccino]

Remember on page 36 of this thread I discussed a questionable search that GSJ inserted herself in?

Well listen to this official public announcement made by LE:

http://am.kbst.com/page.php?34

There ya go!

[Lonna]

There are a lot of pedophiles out there, someone has to be the supplier for them to get access to photos videos and at times the children. My questions is was Billy and Shawn the suppliers for everything, what if she was taken to one of the pedophiles Hailey didn't comply with their wishes and she was murdered for it. They Billy and Shawn would have to cover their tracks and all evidence. That is why Billy didn't call Shawn to let him know she was "Missing" since she was reporting it to police. she knew all along but is playing the part. I'm sorry but when I have this gut feeling it is usually right. I pray that it isn't.

[Boston Lady]

So, by agreeing to the placement of David, she avoided any assesements?
And as far as we know, she hasn't made any motions to have him returned ? 

As to the first question, yes, that is pretty much the case.  CPS may have recommended that she take certain classes (they call it a program) in order to get David back.  But the bottom line is that if she wanted to go to her brother's house and take David back, there is nothing that LE or CPS can do about it at this point. 

Any open investigation against BJD regarding David will stay open until CPS deems it resolved by whatever criteria they choose to use, or until a specific period of time has passed.  I am not sure the time limit, though I believe it is a year without any additional activity on the case.

I don't think this was the case with Billie Jean Dunn.   I think that LE knew about the drugs and I also think they were aware of the child porn early on.   I believe this is why David was removed.  I also don't think that Billie Jean can just go take David and bring him back to the house.   Especially now that the child porn and drug use is out to the public and listed on affidavits. 

 

[sebastian]

Hi All,
Does anyone have Shawn's birthdate and all of the places that he has lived? Thank you in advance!

[Tamikosmom]

Hi All,
Does anyone have Shawn's birthdate and all of the places that he has lived? Thank you in advance!

Sebastian ... I am not into research in regards to accessing documents.  However ... Shawn provided a little background on his March 3rd interview with BTHN hosts.

Janet

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Hailey Dunn: Transcript: Shawn Adkins: Blog Talk Radio Interview March 3

<snipped>

Host: Where would you born? Where would you grow up?

Shawn Adkins: I was born in Abilene, Texas, on Dyess Air Force base, and I grew up in Dunn, Texas, most of my life, and I went to school in Snyder up until I graduated in 2003.

<snipped>

http://casesignal.wordpress.com/hailey-dunn/hailey-dunn-transcript-shawn-adkins-blog-talk-radio-interview-march-3/

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/bringthemhomenow/2011/03/04/bring-them-home-now-exclusive-shawn-adkins-speaks-out

[BabsKats]

Hi All,
Does anyone have Shawn's birthdate and all of the places that he has lived? Thank you in advance!

In the Who's who in this case, there are several references to Shawn, not sure how much info you are looking for....http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=9319.0

Shawn Adkins was a 2003 guaduate from Snyder High School, Snyder, Texashttp://bigcountryhomepage.com/fulltext/?nxd_id=331686




   Re: Who's who in the case
« Reply #18 on: February 21, 2011, 09:05:20 PM » Quote 

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I am not sure if this is was posted in threads, but thought I would bring it here. Also want to note that "Shawn's" brother (a minor) does have the same father. The bio father also goes by the name of ENDGATE ADKINS. So the listing of the father's name is the same person.
http://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?rank=1&new=1&MSAV=0&msT=1&gss=angs-g&gsfn=shawn+casey&gsln=adkins&mswpn__ftp=Big+Spring%2c+Howard%2c+Texas%2c+USA&mswpn=77465&mswpn_PInfo=8-|1652393|2|3249|46|1408|77465|&uidh=e05&=y%2c0&pcat=ROOT_CATEGORY&h=20136304&recoff=1+2+3+35&db=TXbirthindex&indiv=1&hovR=1

Name:    Shawn Casey Adkins
Date of Birth:    30 Jun 1985
Gender:    Male
Birth County:    Taylor
Father's Name:    Charles Clay Adkins
Mother's Name:    Christina Babette Taggart
Roll Number:    1985_0001
 

[grace-land]

http://www.cbs7kosa.com/news/details.asp?ID=24485


Hailey Dunn Candlelight Vigil 3/27/11

Jay Hendricks
3/27/11

(Colorado City)- Sunday marks the third month that 13-year-old Hailey Dunn has been missing in Colorado City.

Sunday night many gathered for a candlelight vigil to remember and hope.

 ::snipping2::

Sunday night many gathered in Colorado City to remember the missing 13-year-old and hold out hope that Hailey will be found alive.

[starwynn]

Good morning all I am new here and as going through the time line of events: This struck me as odd, I don't know if it has already been discussed on here if so please bare with me:

Billy's time line of events: 12:00pm: Billie calls David, who is home. David tells her that Hailey is not back yet. Billie tells him to text her friend and have Hailey came home. The friend says Hailey did not come over.
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Umm I thought Haily had her own cell, why not just directly text Haily, umm why text the friend?

Welcome, Lonna!  I see flutter1 answered your question - just thought I'd say "hey". 

[starwynn]

Wow Lonna, and welcome to the cage.  I don't believe I've seen this particular My Space page up, any other Monkeys recall?  I don't see a date that this "Survey" was written, but did note it doesn't look to be any activity for maybe 3 years!   

Its horrible and so descriptive, this guys mind is sick and if in any way pertains to Hailey, well LE is letting an extremely deviant creep (which most of us believe him to be) still wander loose, come on LE do something!
[/quote]

Yes, I've seen it.  It's from three years ago, but still - I'm shocked at how he chose to represent himself.  That writing is apparently a song lyric from a favorite band of his.

[starwynn]

Wow Lonna, and welcome to the cage.  I don't believe I've seen this particular My Space page up, any other Monkeys recall?  I don't see a date that this "Survey" was written, but did note it doesn't look to be any activity for maybe 3 years!   

Its horrible and so descriptive, this guys mind is sick and if in any way pertains to Hailey, well LE is letting an extremely deviant creep (which most of us believe him to be) still wander loose, come on LE do something!

Trying again (moderators, please delete my previous oops if you can).  I have seen this page.  The post is from 3 years ago, and are apparently lyrics from a favorite band of his.  Still, shocking how he chose to represent himself, isn't it?

[starwynn]

Hi Starwyn!
I hate to say this, but I am leaning more towards Shawn having done something to Hailey. I will not give up hope until Hailey is found, but I don't have a good feeling after all of the kiddie porn was found. Speaking of kiddie porn, I am trying to think of some lie that Shawn could tell Billie to explain away ALL OF THAT kiddie porn on his computer. I just don't understand why she would even talk to him after that. Let's say she has convinced herself that Shawn did not harm Hailey, what about the kiddie porn?

Sebastian, it's a pretty horrible place to go, isn't it, thatlos of hope.  I try to have hope, I do believe in miracles, but I also know that probabilities are slim to none for Hailey, and I hate it.  I hate that I live in a world where I have to think that.  But there you go - that's our world, thanks to sickos.  And you know, Sebastian, I even hate myself more for this, but I'm going to say it - I think she was fully aware of Shawn's "tastes".  I think she played up to that, I think she might not have realized that it would come to this in the end, but she had her hand on the brake for the runaway train and she didn't pull it.  I hate thinking like this.  I do literally pray to God for thinking like this, for myself, for having such awful thoughts about the situation in my head, but I do feel that way.  That's the only way I can see her still talking to him, unless even worse - SHE did something to Hailey - "her" Hailey, the Hailey "God gave to (her)".

Ugly, ugly, ugly, and boy do I really hope that I can eat a big heaping serving of serious crow pie one day on this.  But I'm afraid I might not, and I hate it.  I would rather be wrong than right!!

[flutter1]

So, by agreeing to the placement of David, she avoided any assesements?
And as far as we know, she hasn't made any motions to have him returned ? 

As to the first question, yes, that is pretty much the case.  CPS may have recommended that she take certain classes (they call it a program) in order to get David back.  But the bottom line is that if she wanted to go to her brother's house and take David back, there is nothing that LE or CPS can do about it at this point. 

Any open investigation against BJD regarding David will stay open until CPS deems it resolved by whatever criteria they choose to use, or until a specific period of time has passed.  I am not sure the time limit, though I believe it is a year without any additional activity on the case.

I don't think this was the case with Billie Jean Dunn.   I think that LE knew about the drugs and I also think they were aware of the child porn early on.   I believe this is why David was removed.  I also don't think that Billie Jean can just go take David and bring him back to the house.   Especially now that the child porn and drug use is out to the public and listed on affidavits. 

 

BL,

There have been no court orders entered which would allow CPS to remove David from BJD's parental control.  Without those, CPS can not do anything except in cases of imminent danger.  Even then, the court must approve the removal. 

I know it sounds crazy but my own grandson was taken from me Christmas Day by his bio father after being voluntarily placed with me three months before.  CPS and LE did nothing to return him to me because bio father has all his rights under law.  CPS would not pursue further action stating that they did not see grandson in "imminent danger" even though bio father is abusive and has not completed the CPS mandated (or suggested may be a more appropriate word).   

CPS pretends that a voluntary placement has some force behind it, but it is just a bluff.  Only a court can determine child placement and that hasn't been done in this case.  If it had, the court documents would be all over the newspapers, etc.

I now have more insight as to why children are abused and murdered even though reports have been made and CPS has become "involved".   

BTW, even with LE's knowledge of the child porn and drugs, those things in themselves would not warrant removal.  The term imminent means the child is to the point of immediately being harmed.  BJD would probably have been put on a "parenting plan," mandated to take classes, and required to do drug testing, but David could have remained in the home.  Again, I know this sounds crazy but so is the system. 

 

[grace-land]

What a nice YouTube for Hailey.

Hailey Dunn--A Darling Girl

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SxqOe5_v2lU

[Tamikosmom]

DAVID DUNN

According to Billie Dunn

NANCY GRACE
Aired January 19, 2011 - 20:00:00   ET

GRACE: Why was your son, David, taken into state custody?

BILLIE DUNN: He wasn`t taken into state custody. From my understanding, it`s normal for CPS to come in and interview you, which they did. I placed David at my brother`s house. That`s best for him. I have people driving by, hollering awful things. But there was no courts involved. He`s not in state custody. He`s at my brother`s house and here every day

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1101/19/ng.01.html


According to Child Protective Services

Colorado City and Snyder Landfills Searched For Missing Teen
POSTED: 5:28 pm CST January 20, 2011
UPDATED: 7:18 pm CST January 20, 2011

Thursday, we did speak to a representative from Child Protective Services. Wednesday, we reported Hailey's older brother David was removed from Billie Dunn's home. Thursday, CPS would not confirm if they are investigating the family.

However, a spokeswoman did say there are instances when CPS is investigating a family that they ask the family to place a child voluntarily outside the home pending the outcome of that investigation.

Wednesday night on the Nancy Grace Show, Billie Dunn said her son David is staying with an uncle.

http://www.ktxs.com/news/26564175/detail.html


According to Richy Cooper

Part 1: Missing Texas teen Hailey Dunn's uncle Richy Cooper speaks out
March 25th, 2011

<snipped>

The host of BTHN asked Richy what, in his opinion, is the reason David was taken away by CPS. Richy said, “Unfortunately I think there was drug use in that house and I think CPS discovered it. I don’t think they did it on their own, I think they had help discovering it.”

<snipped>

http://www.examiner.com/missing-persons-in-national/part-1-missing-texas-teen-hailey-dunn-s-uncle-richy-cooper-speaks-out

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/bringthemhomenow/2011/03/23/the-bring-them-home-now-exclusive-richy-cooper-and-missing-billy-disilvestro-serial-killer-on-the-lo

[Tamikosmom]

BL,

There have been no court orders entered which would allow CPS to remove David from BJD's parental control.  Without those, CPS can not do anything except in cases of imminent danger.  Even then, the court must approve the removal. 

I know it sounds crazy but my own grandson was taken from me Christmas Day by his bio father after being voluntarily placed with me three months before.  CPS and LE did nothing to return him to me because bio father has all his rights under law.  CPS would not pursue further action stating that they did not see grandson in "imminent danger" even though bio father is abusive and has not completed the CPS mandated (or suggested may be a more appropriate word).   

CPS pretends that a voluntary placement has some force behind it, but it is just a bluff.  Only a court can determine child placement and that hasn't been done in this case.  If it had, the court documents would be all over the newspapers, etc.

I now have more insight as to why children are abused and murdered even though reports have been made and CPS has become "involved".   

BTW, even with LE's knowledge of the child porn and drugs, those things in themselves would not warrant removal.  The term imminent means the child is to the point of immediately being harmed.  BJD would probably have been put on a "parenting plan," mandated to take classes, and required to do drug testing, but David could have remained in the home.  Again, I know this sounds crazy but so is the system. 

 

Flutter

Your heart must be breaking.

Janet