Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #40 1/01/11 - 1/18/11

[Tracygirl]

http://www.examiner.com/crime-in-national/kyron-horman-news-divorce-hearing-postponed-for-missing-boy-s-dad

According to this article "SHE WAS PLOTTING TO KILL HER DAUGHTER".

According to the article, but if you go back to the document that they say is where he says she was plotting to kill the daughter, I'm not yet finding that language at all.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/34071571/Kaine-Horman-s-restraining-order-request

Maybe I'm missing it?  I see a lot of "Respondent attempted to hire someone to murder me".

Excerpt of interest:
I believe Respondent is involved in the disappearance of my son Kyron who has been missing since June 4, 2010.  I also recently learned that Respondent attempted to hire someone to murder me.  The police have provided me with probable cause to believe the above two statements to be true."  Listed under Section 3, "Describe the incident(s) of abuse that happened in the last 180 days: Describe how the Respondent hurt or threatened to hurt you, starting with the most recent incident:" 

The document referenced is the Restraining Order to Prevent Abuse entered June 28, 2010.

 "The police have provided me with probable cause to believe the above two statements to be true."  <<<there ya go, they have info we do not know.

Well from your lips to Gods ears! may that be the truth.

[Scandi]

This may make me sound nuts, but...cases like this (Zahra, and others)lends credibility to the idea of placing a chip in a child when it's young. Yes, it's traumatic, but like circumcision, it's done, they cry, it's over, they don't remember it.

This could possibly be a deterrent to these kind of crimes, and prevent these crimes that turn into these mysterious missing person's cases.

Hi Curly,  The only problem I see with that is they have to find the child to read the chip.  And in my wildest thoughts I can not imagine the chip would stop some deranged person from doing what they want to do.  After all the perp is self important and only thinks of HIS/HER needs. 

I think the more productive answer is for parents to learn how to protect their children.


xox

[Scandi]

I am really starting to wonder if Terri had some kind of diagnosed mental disorder. If so, that could explain Kaine's reactions in the beginning with the letter to Intel employees, his seeming control of the media etc. Maybe he was doing damage control FOR Terri. Maybe he knew Terri had problems and people may gossip about her but never in a million years thought she was capable of doing anything to Kyron. Then as time went on and LE presented Kaine with things, Kaine came to the horrible realization that Terri could in fact be guilty. It could also explain why he wore his wedding ring for so long. Maybe he just could not believe it himself?

Or else Sebastian it might have been a matter of self-protection on hia part.  I don't think he was at all involved in Kyron's disappearance but living with this woma and her complicated personality, , watching her with the children, he must have known more than he let on after the fact IMO.  And I say that without any 'rumors' about him entering my mind !!!

xox

[4 Donks]

http://www.aolnews.com/2011/01/07/search-for-kyron-horman-now-has-a-phone-app/


Search for Kyron Horman Now Has a Phone App


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[Shell]

http://www.aolnews.com/2011/01/07/search-for-kyron-horman-now-has-a-phone-app/


Search for Kyron Horman Now Has a Phone App


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Can you recap this in brief? Thanks 

[melisb]

Mornin you beautiful Monkeys!  If you want legal questions answered I'm sure JessStar would be happy to decipher for you. She even live on that side of the universe!  Maybe someone here can get hold of her or maybe Klaas knows a quick way to get her attention?  Y'all have a wonderful day I gotta go to work.  Maybe all our babies will be found today!  Wouldn't that be something!

[hellokitty]

 

divorce hearing March 31

http://www.kptv.com/news/26408010/detail.html

[Puzzler]

Stanton's report to the commissioners is due in only 3 weeks.  Have we heard anything about more searches?  I could see that there may be some more searches before Staton's report is completed.

There is time to sort this all out logically "after" Kyron is discovered.



 

[neighbor]

Something is wrong with the thought processes of Oregon lawmakers, IMO  

http://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-northwest-news/index.ssf/2011/01/oregon_supreme_court_rules_that_simply_viewing_child_pornography_on_the_internet_isnt_illegal.html

"The Oregon Supreme Court ruled today that it’s not a crime to look at child pornography while surfing the Internet if none of the images are purposefully downloaded, printed out or paid for."

Ugh.  Really????  

Oh wait, it says "Purposefully downloaded" so to me that means, if I search for something innocent enough and child porn pops up on my screen, then I am not commiting a crime. because I did not purposefully search for it.  Did I get that right?

The "purposefully downloaded" part is ridiculous IMO.  Seems like all any of them would have to is claim it was found accidentally, or any other excuse really, and they're free and clear.  If they're looking at child porn, I doubt that kind of fib would be difficult for them.  How's a court to prove otherwise.  Crazy stuff coming out of the court systems these days.

As much as I disagree with the ruling, please be aware that most internet browsers do prefetching.  That means that your browser may load pages even before you click on the link to go there.  That means that LE searching your computer or sniffing your traffic my find images that you never ever saw yourself.

(If you are a Firefox user, type "about:config" in the address bar, and look for "network.prefetch-next".)

Thank you for that info!  I never dreamt Firefox could pre-fetch something I wasn't actively searching for.  

Yes, something to consider when searching for links between ((edit - this is completely unfounded ) and certain individuals.  That Firefox configuration page will also let you disable it.
Most browsers do prefetching, I just happen to be familiar with Firefox.

[sebastian]

Something is wrong with the thought processes of Oregon lawmakers, IMO 

http://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-northwest-news/index.ssf/2011/01/oregon_supreme_court_rules_that_simply_viewing_child_pornography_on_the_internet_isnt_illegal.html

"The Oregon Supreme Court ruled today that it’s not a crime to look at child pornography while surfing the Internet if none of the images are purposefully downloaded, printed out or paid for."

Ugh.  Really???? 

Oh wait, it says "Purposefully downloaded" so to me that means, if I search for something innocent enough and child porn pops up on my screen, then I am not commiting a crime. because I did not purposefully search for it.  Did I get that right?

The "purposefully downloaded" part is ridiculous IMO.  Seems like all any of them would have to is claim it was found accidentally, or any other excuse really, and they're free and clear.  If they're looking at child porn, I doubt that kind of fib would be difficult for them.  How's a court to prove otherwise.  Crazy stuff coming out of the court systems these days.

I just heard an interesting discussion on judges yesterday on the news. Apparently judges can be impeached. I think it is about time that the public starts taking these judges to task on these rediculous liberal rulings with regards to any sort of sex offense.

Wouldn't it be something if the system actually worked the way it was supposed to.  As far as liberal or conservative, I'd settle for common sense/non-PC. 

I meant liberal as in lenient, not making a political reference.

[Tamikosmom]

Considering credible backup in regards to the RO allegations is not forthcoming upon request to Terri in the form of discovery from either LE or Kaine .... could it be that release of that backup would compromise the entire Kyron Horman case.

My hubby's corporate attorney nephew just left our home after a short "duty" visit.  He is a sweetheart.

Anyways ... divorce cases is not his area of expertise but I gave him an overview regarding Kaine's allegations on the RO.

FWIW Nephew believes a challenge to the RO by Terri at this time is for naught.  He contentends that the judge who issued the RO which contained unspecified allegations had to have received confirmation from LE that credible backup did exist ... credible backup that could not be released as it formed part of an ongoing criminal investigation.

In other words ... the allegations on the RO which appeared to be "hearsay" were in actuality not "hearsay".  The implication would be that LE does have "probable" cause to believe there was MFH plot and Terri is a participant in Kyron's disappearance.

However ... if revealed otherwise in future discovery ... nephew contends that a foundation has been established for one giant lawsuit by Terri.

I hope I got that right.

Janet

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Terri Horman fights back
Story Published: Oct 30, 2010 at 6:21 PM PST
Story Updated: Nov 1, 2010 at 1:47 PM PST

Meanwhile, the reply addresses Kaine's assertion he received information from police that Terri tried to hire someone to murder him and may be involved in the disappearance of Kyron Horman as mere "hearsay."

"[Terri] is unable to obtain information from the police that is essential to the[se] claims raised by [Kaine]," the reply claims.

http://www.katu.com/news/local/106387693.html

http://media.katu.com/documents/terri+horman+reply.pdf

[hellokitty]

 

as far as the child porn law, I hope they find the glitches and fix it so the pervs can be prosecuted.

I think you know as well, that our computers can be hijacked and can be running programs for hackers that we don't realize are happening.  I forget what it's called.

They run their stuff through tons of computers that they hack.

I seriously doubt that any normal person is for child porn.

With the law, it has to be very specific and not subject to dispute, so I think with technical issues, it needs to be fixed.  Get the best minds on it and fix the loopholes so these pervs go down.

[klaasend]

as far as the child porn law, I hope they find the glitches and fix it so the pervs can be prosecuted.

I think you know as well, that our computers can be hijacked and can be running programs for hackers that we don't realize are happening.  I forget what it's called.

They run their stuff through tons of computers that they hack.

I seriously doubt that any normal person is for child porn.

With the law, it has to be very specific and not subject to dispute, so I think with technical issues, it needs to be fixed.  Get the best minds on it and fix the loopholes so these pervs go down.

The Attorney General in Oregon is attempting to fix it:

http://www.katu.com/news/local/113056624.html

[hellokitty]

 

Thanks Klaas. 

 i really don't think it's a matter of the court being for porn.  It's a matter of getting the laws right so that some lawyer doesn't figure out a way to get around it.

That's the deal with laws.  That's why law books and regulations are so thick.  Someone is always figuring out the loophole and then sues.  Then the law has to be scrutinized and rewritten or updated.

The law has to apply to everyone.  Not just nice people.  Pukes get to be under the same laws as well, so they have to be well done.  We don't get to pick and choose for whom the law applies.

[MuffyBee]

OT - Deborah Flores-Naravez's former boyfriend Jason "Blu" Griffith charged with murder. 

[Brandi]

Just ran across this:

"School Safety & Prevention Act" Petition

The "Kyron's Law-School Safety & Prevention Act" is in honor of Kyron Horman.

"As U.S. citizens we stand united in our request for mandated & maintained  surveillance in all public schools & on all public school buses nationwide."

http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/the-kyron-horman-petition/

[sassifrass]

Is everyone on vacation? What happened to the thread? It's been stuck on pg 42 for 2 days. 

I didn't realize that Kim Holm wasn't married to Cat Villarreal and they had 5 sons. I knew of 4, but not 5.

http://catvillarreal.blogspot.com/2009/09/as-you-know-by-now-cat-died-in.html

I also would like to know where she's getting her money from. Going from asking for donations, to going to Hawaii and shop, shop, shopping.

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/12/shoppers_flock_to_portland_are.html

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Kim Holm, 50, of Portland, paused for a rest Sunday in a massage chair at Washington Square as she prepared to cash in on a wallet full of gift cards from stores including Nordstrom, Old Navy, Gap, Sears and Macy's, to name a few.

According to the National Retail Federation, gift cards are the most popular holiday gift. Gift card sales are expected to generate about $24.78 billion this year.

Holm said she wasn't in the market for anything in particular, but "stuff for myself."

"I'm sick of buying for other people," she said with a smirk. "Is that selfish?"

[sassifrass]

One other thing I forgot. I think everyone here knows my hinky feelings on the Holm/Villarreal family.

Does anyone have a link to Catarino Villareal's obituary? I looked every where and can't find it. I want to find out who the 5th son is.

Also, didn't realize the he was a soccer and basketball coach at Skyline. Maybe that's why Kim took over, because she use to be the girls soccer coach at Benson in 2008.

http://www.oregonprepsports.net/girls-soccer/2008-schedules/Oregon/1-Benson

[MuffyBee]

sassifras -  I think there just isn't any new information in this case right now.  When there's new info, I expect the thread will pick back up for discussion.  I've seen this happen in other cases/threads before.  Unless there is incoming information, things slow down.  I believe many are very, very interested, but we've sort of hashed and rehashed the information we have, and have gone around and around with various theories.  I check for new developments in this case daily, as I'm sure many others do and if there's anything newsworthy, I feel it will get posted pronto.  

Editing my post to add:  It looks like you've brought several items for discussion.  Thank you.   

[starwynn]

I am really starting to wonder if Terri had some kind of diagnosed mental disorder. If so, that could explain Kaine's reactions in the beginning with the letter to Intel employees, his seeming control of the media etc. Maybe he was doing damage control FOR Terri. Maybe he knew Terri had problems and people may gossip about her but never in a million years thought she was capable of doing anything to Kyron. Then as time went on and LE presented Kaine with things, Kaine came to the horrible realization that Terri could in fact be guilty. It could also explain why he wore his wedding ring for so long. Maybe he just could not believe it himself?

Or else Sebastian it might have been a matter of self-protection on hia part.  I don't think he was at all involved in Kyron's disappearance but living with this woma and her complicated personality, , watching her with the children, he must have known more than he let on after the fact IMO.  And I say that without any 'rumors' about him entering my mind !!!

xox

To be honest, it's way easier to see things in retrospect.  Particularly with spouses.  You find out things when they're gone that you didn't realize when they were there.

For example, I just went through a divorce.  AFTER the fact I learn that a hole accidentally shot in our wall was likely a derailed suicide attempt.  That there were many thoughts about suicide, several online relationships, and that he was telling his workplace that I was a horrible woman (by his own admittance, not because I was, but because it made him feel better about trying to chat up a woman at work).  I also suspect that he's mentally ill, or has Aspergers.  And I don't mean that as an insult.

You would think I'd notice this stuff, right?  We didn't have children, but I am very very big about protecting myself because I lived this long through some stuff, and I want another 40 years.  Did I see it?  Yes, *in retrospect with the proverbial 20-20 hindsite* I can see things very clearly, frighteningly clearly.  Did I then?  No. 

When it comes to the drunk thing, here's my humble opinion.  I think he did realize that she had the DUI obviously.  I suspect, like most dysfunctional people, when she was caught, she swore that she would change, and maybe she even really tried.  But instead what she likely did was try to hide things harder.  Or maybe the habit came back, and she realized she was really going to be "in it" if she got caught.  So she hid things masterfully.  Some people are like that.

I see her as the snake charmer personality type.  Snake charmers aren't necessarily bad; they're necessary.  They're our salesman, a lot of our politicians, and remember sometimes it takes a "sell" to get even the best stuff done, like programs to help others, etc.  Someone who knows how to put on a dog and pony show, someone who knows how to get you to think that butter wouldn't melt in their mouth.

So really, Kaine "not seeing things" til afterwards isn't that hard a thing to buy for me.  Do I like the guy?  No.  I think he's schmarmy and a little too rigid for me, and I suspect things about his past, and highly believe I probably would never in a million years marry a guy like that.  Do I think he's manipulating the situation with bad intent?  No.  Do I think as a divorce' who just found out his very wife and person raising his child tried to kill him, might have killed his own kid, and might have had designs on yet another kid, might harbor resentment?  Heck yeah.  Do I think that colors his statements about his wife?  Yes.  Do I think that he knew that his wife was passed out drunk, not just passed out tired, with the kid - really consciously knew it, but is just now bringing it up to  make her look worse?  No, I really don't.

I think he could be tempted, I think he likes to control things, I think he probably has a strong drive that everything go HIS way and that everything be seen HIS way, but I think with as many eyes as there are on him that he wouldn't, and couldn't, twist things to suit him in THIS way without there being a good strong b asis of truth.  I don't like him, but I believe him.