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Bringing this forward hoping someone will be able to help us understand what he had to say!

 ::MonkeyCool::

 ::lookie::

You mean to tell me, Joran the rapist could hang that fat bag of dented potatoes of a mother of his from a ceiling fan in Aruba... and get out of jail in just a year or two?

Joran WHAT ARE YOU WAITING FOR?  You need more gambling money, right?

Bro Bro hugs....




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The gang-raping murdering island of Aruba... and the beat goes on!!!


I HOPE IT CONTINUES TO LEVEL THE ISLAND LIKE A NUCLEAR BOMB.


I love to watch all those maggots squirm around in destruction of their very own making!

I find it very therapeutic.


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FOX News

Friday, December 05, 2008

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN, FOX NEWS HOST: John Q. Kelly, you have a voicemail. Well, the lawyer for Natalee Holloway's family has been trying to get Aruban's chief prosecutor, Hans Mos. Well, Mos finally returned Mr. Kelly's call, and apparently left John Kelly a rather nasty voicemail. John Q. Kelly is with us.

John, let's get some timing, first of all. When did you send that letter asking to have the arrest? When was that sent?

JOHN Q. KELLY, ATTORNEY FOR HOLLOWAY FAMILY: Eight days ago. It would have been last Wednesday.

VAN SUSTEREN: All right. Get a response?

KELLY: No response to the letter. First phone call back was today, my cell phone.

VAN SUSTEREN: All right. When did you get -- when did you last make a phone call to Hans Mos?

KELLY: Yesterday morning.
 

VAN SUSTEREN: Before -- yesterday morning?

KELLY: Yes.

VAN SUSTEREN: And I take it you said, Call me back, right?

KELLY: Yes.

VAN SUSTEREN: OK. So what was your voicemail that met you today? What'd you get?

KELLY: Oh, I wouldn't call it nasty. I would say it was curt. He was clearly angry. And it was just basically two things. One, he said it was unfortunate, what I said about him on your show the other night, which, whatever it was, I stand by it 100 percent. And the second thing was, basically, Don't hold your breath on the letter you wrote me.

But Greta, this is petty stuff. Let me tell you, there's incredible news out of Aruba and the Netherlands today. And I don't know if you're aware of it. The minister of justice, Rudy Croes, has now come out and publicly said that the police chief at the time in Aruba when Natalee Holloway disappeared, Jan van der Straaten, was clearly complicit with Paulus van der Sloot in covering up for Joran in the initial days after Natalee's disappearance. He's calling for a whole new investigation, and he's basically, by stating that, corroborating what Joran told you in talking to you.

VAN SUSTEREN: All right. Well, I'm delighted that the minister of justice is finally doing that. But any clue why he waited three-and-a-half years, when the trail is really cold?

KELLY: Well, it's remarkable. None of this is about Natalee and a missing young women, and you know, parents without child. It's a bunch of ego stuff right now. It's Van der Straaten apparently criticized the police investigators, his own investigators, this week. Rudy Croes in turn then came out and said, “What's Van der Straaten talking about?” He's the one that covered up with Paulus van der Sloot. We have a whole trail of phone calls between Van der Straaten and Van der Sloot in terms of what happened in the days after Natalee's disappearance. Van der Straaten, he went on to say, used his second-rate investigation team to -- to check into Natalee's disappearance initially and just, you know, covered the whole thing up, deliberately hindered the prosecution and investigation into Natalee's disappearance.

VAN SUSTEREN: All right...

KELLY: Between Paulus van der Sloot and the chief of police...

VAN SUSTEREN: All right. You and I are having a nice, sort of calm-voice conversation, but the headline is the minister of justice in Aruba now admits there was a cover-up.

KELLY: Between the chief of police and Paulus van der Sloot, yes. For starters.

VAN SUSTEREN: And Hans Mos, his reaction to this is to leave you a voicemail saying he didn't like what you said on TV the other night and basically, “Don't hold your breath waiting for an answer.”

KELLY: Right. And now we have more new evidence. We have clear evidence of the cover-up between the chief of police and Paulus van der Sloot in addition to the damning admissions made by Joran van der Sloot of criminal conduct, the kidnapping and trafficking and the implication of others.

You know what, Greta? Just going back to your conversation with Joran on tape, everybody's saying, Well, why don't you get an exemplar of Paulus's voice, and things like that. You know what? Hey, Paulus, why don't you stick your head out the front door and say, That's not my voice and I didn't have that conversation with my son, and end all this?

Kalpoes have been dead silent. Joran certainly hasn't come to bat for his father or anybody else in this thing. I know he's tuned into all this. And you know, it's just unbelievable. You've got a 21-year-old woman who might be out there terrified, helpless, being told nobody cares, nobody's looking for you, and you have all these people over in Aruba pointing the finger at each other now and forgetting about what it's all about.

VAN SUSTEREN: And it's, like, Holland, where are you? What's Holland doing? This is part of their kingdom. They're doing nothing. The prosecutor's now worried about you saying something about him not returning phone calls, and you've got the minister of justice admitting that there is a cover-up. Paulus van der Sloot won't give an exemplar and stick his head out the door. So basically -- I don't know. Shoot me, John. It's just, like -- I cannot believe the -- the...

KELLY: Oh, it's unbelievable.

VAN SUSTEREN: ... Unbelievable cruelty on the part of all these people. Shame on them.

KELLY: And then, to end it all, Rudy Croes complained about the Netherlands not backing up Aruba, you know, with international moral support after he admits that his own police department was in a complicit cover-up.

VAN SUSTEREN: All right, John...

KELLY: Greta, last thing. This is a stain on Aruba, a horrible stain...

VAN SUSTEREN: A stain? It's worse than that!

KELLY: It's getting...

VAN SUSTEREN: A stain...

KELLY: ... Bigger. It's getting bigger darker. They're the only ones that can clean it up, and they'd better do something soon because it's only getting worse.

VAN SUSTEREN: John, thank you.

KELLY: Sure, Greta.

VAN SUSTEREN: Up next: As you heard, the justice minister of Aruba is admitting something disturbing, incredibly disturbing. He says there's a cover-up. Finally, this could blow the lid off this investigation if they'd ever get off their whatever and want to investigate. A live report from Aruba is next.

And then -- uh-oh! Nude photos of underage cheerleaders cause a huge controversy in Seattle. That's coming up.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

VAN SUSTEREN: Finally, maybe, the Aruban Justice Minister is talking. It has been three and a half years. Joining by phone from Aruba is Jossy Mansur, publisher and managing editor of Diario Newspaper.

Jossy, what did the justice minister say, and does it have any impact whatsoever in Aruba?

JOSSY MANSUR, DIARIO NEWSPAPER IN ARUBA: He is saying a lot of important things that have a lot of impact in Aruba. He has openly and publicly accused the ex-chief of police that he refused to arrest Joran van der Sloot because he was the son of his best friend, Paulus.

VAN SUSTEREN: And does that make any difference to anybody in Aruba?

MANSUR: It does make a difference to many people here in Aruba, of course, because coming from the minister of justice, who was in charge of the police--he is the director of the police corps and (INAUDIBLE) that occupied themselves with the disappearance of Natalee. Of course it's important.

VAN SUSTEREN: Does he have any proof that the chief of police did this or that there was a cover-up?

MANSUR: He does not have any proof as such outside of other declarations(ph) of other people who have heard the same kind of statement before.

VAN SUSTEREN: Is our interview with Joran van der Sloot pushing any investigation further. Are they taking it at all seriously because they still haven't asked for it? They haven't asked for the records that we think could either prove or disprove. But is it having any impact whatsoever in Aruba?

MANSUR: I think it had a lot of impact worldwide. We saw this man lie again, lie his head off. He doesn't care if it's publicly or whatever. And I think that it has not stirred the prosecution to the degree that they should be after him by now.

VAN SUSTEREN: In the conversation that we had with Joran, he claims that the voice on the tape is his father. And obviously the prosecutor could prove that or disprove that. He could use subpoena power and do that. We can't get a first-generation tape from his father and do that.

Is it likely that the prosecutor will do that? Because, frankly, if it turns out that is his voice, his father under what he said is up to his eyeballs in something.

MANSUR: Of course. We know he was involved from the beginning. And after the new wave of things(ph), Mr. Herman, who saw Joran walking with his clothes all muddy. And then later he was saw him in the car with Paulus van der Sloot.

And we assume, and it has been certified by this man that the man who took Joran van der Sloot to his home that night after Natalee disappeared was his father. So he was involved from the beginning.

VAN SUSTEREN: Jossy, thank you, and we hope that there is a full, fair, and complete investigation some time. Thank you, Jossy.

MANSUR: OK.

VAN SUSTEREN: Let's bring in our panel. Joining us live are criminal defense attorneys Michael Cardoza, Ted Williams, and Bernie Grimm. Michael, do you want to start?

MICHAEL CARDOZA, CRIMINAL DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Sure. Does this surprise me that there is something of a cover-up? No. It is a small island. What the minister of defense is saying makes absolute sense to me.

And we have known this right from the get-go. We knew there was some sort of delay, cover-up. They wait 10 days before they arrest Joran.

What should they do now? The Dutch really should step in. I am a little bit suspect of the minister of justice, because he waits this long to come forward and say something. Why did he wait this long?

Everybody is pointing fingers now at each other, but somebody neutral has to come in and resolve this. They have enough to prosecute this case. And this kid is hateful(ph).

VAN SUSTEREN: Michael, earlier this morning on Gretawire I posted asking them to contact the Dutch embassy to finally get them to do something. And a lot of people have contacted the Dutch embassy. I have to go back and read the comments, but the Dutch embassy here in the United States does need to since this is part of the kingdom.

All right, Bernie, this is what slays me, that Hans Mos is more concerned about what John Q. Kelly says on TV about him then even to look at the tape, investigate any of this stuff. It is stunning to me.

BERNIE GRIMM, CRIMINAL DEFENSE ATTORNEY: It would be as if Eric Holder got offended that somebody said something about a department of justice investigation, a civil rights investigation in Mississippi, and he called the person and said, "Do not leave those messages. You are upsetting me."

I do not know what to say. I can't say it even on FOX, this racy, classy network, that I want to say.

But either the Dutch or the FBI, someone with some level of competence needs to get involved instead of us just playing tennis from the baseline here.

TED WILLIAMS, CRIMINAL DEFENSE ATTORNEY: I talked about the word "corroboration" in this investigation. Rudy Croes has come out, Greta, and represented that there was a cover-up with this Van der Straaten and Paulus.

Now, if you remember, a few nights ago, you interviewed someone who had gone down to Aruba who can corroborate, and this is what one of your viewers who came on this show said-Van der Straaten told us, he said, quote, "I do not think I could arrest my best friend's son. I am his godfather, and I honestly don't think he is guilty. He is a witness."

This was somebody independent of that island that you talked to on this show, and that person has now corroborated.

So there is some nexus, and I really believe that clearly there is a cover-up.

VAN SUSTEREN: Bernie, what it is? Why won't they do this? You would think they have a sense of decency. There is a lot of missing persons all over the world, but they are worried about being insulted on TV.

GRIMM: It seems that they've dug their heels in, and Natalee has become the non-issue in the case. And their position and self- righteousness and soapbox position with the media seems to be what they are obsessing about.

VAN SUSTEREN: Maybe that's now, but go back to June '05. This was the same way in June of '05 before they even met us. It is stunning.

GRIMM: It is troubling. From the outset, when Van der Sloot and his boy said, "Listen. The black guys did it," after that everything was downhill.

WILLIAMS: Bernie, there's a bottom line here. The Dutch need to get involved. The Netherlands need to have an independent investigation. They cannot police themselves on that island.

VAN SUSTEREN: Michael, you have 15 seconds and we have to go.

CARDOZA: You know what's so hateful about this-

VAN SUSTEREN: A lot.

CARDOZA: --Is that this kid says-a lot, you're right-but this kid says that she's dead it, she died in his arms. And then later, he says, "Oh, no. She is alive, and she is in Venezuela." Think how the parents feel here. They ought to--

VAN SUSTEREN: Stop right there, Michael, come on. Then 30 days later he is having a conversation that's taped, and he's talking about her as though she's alive. And this prosecutor would not do anything. The police would not do anything. The minister of justice would not do anything. They have been dragging their heels.

CARDOZA: Agreed.

VAN SUSTEREN: Holland is not doing anything. They're all doing nothing because they don't care and they want this to go away.

CARDOZA: They have enough to prosecute this case. They have enough to prosecute him now.

VAN SUSTEREN: They're worried about telephone calls -

(CROSSTALK)

VAN SUSTEREN: It's horrible.

That is an interesting read, Carpe. 

I love Cardoza saying they have enough to prosecute him now.   

Those crazy Arubans are willing to go down the tube over that ill bred Joran van der Sloot.

Thanks for the reminder Carpe!   ::MonkeyCool::

Thanks, carpe.....we're hoping the rain stops here in the NE...we have water in the basement...thank goodness it's not finished, but I'm certain there are things that will have to be put in the trash.  Not looking forward to the spring forward, at the moment.   :smt100 ::MonkeyWaa::

Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway

Page 185:  The island authorities originally planned to release the three suspects at two o-clock in the morning on Saturday, September 3.  The Strategic Communications Task Force undoubtedly helped them make a less conspicuous move and release them in the afternoon instead.  Curious to see the setup at the van der Sloot house for Joran's parade of victory, I drive by there, never in a million years expecting to see who is there.  It's the U.S. vice-consul.  At the van der Sloots' house.  Why is she here?   She spots me.  Jumps in her car and follows me to a resturant parking lot, waving, honking, calling on the cell phone.  I don't want to talk to her.  Who can we trust?

THE NEVERENDING ROLLER COASTER RIDE

HOPE

Natalee Holloway's parents to meet with Aruban prosecutor
November 29, 2007

ORANJESTAD, Aruba (CNN) -- The chief prosecutor in the Natalee Holloway investigation has agreed to meet Saturday with the parents of the missing Alabama teen, who is presumed dead.

"I'm really anxious to meet him," Beth Holloway told CNN. "I've waited a long time for this meeting."

A lawyer for Beth Holloway contacted prosecutor Hans Mos last week after suspects Joran van der Sloot and brothers Satish and Deepak Kalpoe were arrested on suspicion of manslaughter.

"There's no doubt in my mind that [Natalee Holloway] is dead. ... I think we have enough evidence to prove the girl is not alive anymore, even without a body," Mos said last week.

Natalee Holloway's mother said she has hope that Mos will be able to solve the case.

"He seems great. The case seems to be handled well. I'm going to ask him some long-awaited questions," she said.

The family is encouraged that the meeting will take place, Holloway attorney John Kelly told CNN. Two years ago, the previous chief prosecutor -- who has since returned to the Netherlands -- would not sit down with them.

Kelly said Beth Holloway and her ex-husband, Dave, want to share information they've gathered since their daughter disappeared in May 2005 while on vacation with about 100 classmates.

Neither he nor Beth Holloway would provide details.

http://edition.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/americas/11/29/aruba.holloway/index.html


DISPAIR

On the Record with Greta - December 4, 2007

JOHN Q. KELLY, HOLLOWAY ATTORNEY: Well, in their press release and even in conversations. I had a long discussion with him (Hans Mo) Thanksgiving morning after the arrests, and you know, he indicated that they were very confident, this new evidence they had, this incriminating evidence. And it turns out, quite frankly, that it is nothing new ...

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN: All right. So you can say with 100 percent certainly there's nothing new, right?

KELLY:  I can say it with 99 percent.  ... I think it was disappointing to me and actually extraordinarily painful and almost cruel for Beth and Dave after being down there.

They'd like to get some answers and they'd like to see some progress made.  And it's not fair to bring them down there with the false promises, with raised expectations, sort of a dog and pony show down there with no substance.

And it was — it just really took whatever spirit, almost, that Beth and Dave had left, went through that this weekend. It was really — it was terribly painful, for lack of a better expression.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,314966,00.html


NBC News - February 22, 2008

The three main suspects, Joran van der Sloot, and brothers Deepak and Satish Kalpoe, were rearrested.

Dave Holloway broke his vow and rushed back to Aruba along with Beth for special meetings with prosecutors. They were asked to bring medical records.  To their horror, though, they say they ended up talking not about new evidence but were asked probing questions about Natalee’s character.

Beth Holloway: They kept saying that Natalee, you know, was a drug user … She's never had a history of drug use. She's never been in drug rehab. Yeah, I thought that -- then, they don't have anything. They don't have anything, you know?

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23301056/page/4/


The Dana Pretzer Show - December 21, 2007

Jug Twitty:

She (Beth) said that the prosecutor lied to them when he told them that there was new evidence.


The Lineup - December 2, 2007

Beth Holloway came in this morning about 9 o'clock, about 1/2 hour later than expected in a police station in the city Oranjestadt and after which she was put in a conversation with the prosecuting office, Hans Mos and Dop Kruimel After that was finished both the prosecutors left the office or left the police station and by surprise the interrogators came in and (inaudible) by Dolph Richardson the chief investigator, they started interrogating her which lasted for over 5 hours. She left not very happy and wouldn't say anything on camera. She left the police department about 2:30.

THE ROLLER COASTER RIDE

Dr. Phil Show - January 29, 2006

Beth Holloway Twitty:

There are times when we're thinking that we need to continue, and of course we're still searching for answers, but it's this rollercoaster ride. And it makes me so angry, Dr. Phil, when I let myself fall for information coming out of an official who represents the island of Aruba. If somebody presents you with false hope and false information, it's devastating.

http://www.drphil.com/slideshows/slideshow/3041/?id=?id=&slide=3&null=null

So sorry you're having troubles 2NJ, hope you have a shop-vac...they're really handy in these situations.  We've had too much rain too, and the last I heard there's more in the forecast.  At least today was a pretty day, for that I'm thankful. 

I hope a pretty day comes your way soon too! :smt056

This point should never be minimized...the US vice-consul at the sloot house when urine was released..... ::MonkeyMad::
aruba has chosen a slow death in their economy for their citizens....to protect their illegal activities...while US govt stands by.... ::MonkeyNoNo::
 

Carpe...as you know, this is now 15 months after the Dec 08 revelations.....aruba ain't going to to squat.....
may they all rot in hell....paulass will be waiting at the darkness at the end of the tunnel.....

Good Night Good Monkeys...
Justice for Natalee...
Is just around the corner....

This is absolutely why so many Good Monkeys are here.... ::MonkeyAngel::
Thank you  MuffyBee....

Good Night Keepthefaith.... ::MonkeyAngel::

I'll expand on this a little......
it was the vice consul choice to be there....not necessarily the Bush administrations....latitude is often left up to the individual representatives choice...imo...she was corrupted.... ::MonkeyNoNo:: POS she is.....

You're right!!! This fact has ALWAYS guiled me. I wonder where this Vice-Consul is today?  ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyNoNo::

http://www.myfoxatlanta.com/dpp/news/fox-5-special:-boston-strangler-case-022510

Video at the above link, or click on the picture below to view it:

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FOX 5 Special: Boston Strangler Case

Updated: Thursday, 25 Feb 2010, 11:44 PM EST
Published : Thursday, 25 Feb 2010, 11:13 PM EST

Amanda
Davis
Reported By: Amanda Davis | Edited By: Leigha Baugham

ATLANTA (MyFOX ATLANTA) - Television dramas like "Bones" and "CSI"captivate audiences and inspire young people to pursue careers in criminal justice. Atlanta's Bauder College is turning out some of tomorrow's lawyers, crime scene investigators and forensic specialists. Some students are learning investigative skills first-hand by working real cases that have grown cold.

This year, students have taken on the notorious case of the Boston Strangler. The case of the Boston Strangler has been the subject of several books and lots of news coverage.

It was the early1960's and that the Boston area was terrorized by a man considered by some to be the country's first serial killer. The killer was called the Boston strangler.

Albert Desalvo confessed to the string of 11 murders. The victims were all single women.

Years later, many wonder if Desalvo was telling the truth.

If it wasn't Deslavo, then who was the real Boston Strangler? Was there more than one killer?

The answers to those questions are what a group of students at Bauder College's Cold Case Investigative Research Institute hope to find out.

High-profile murder cases are the specialty of Sheryl McCollum's institute.

After a long career in criminal justice, McCollum started the institute in 2005. Students receive no class credit and no grades for their work with the institute.

"Cold cases are the best ones for teaching perspective because they involve everything," McCollum said.

For the next year, students will begin developing a timeline in the case. Students will make notes of case details gathered from the internet, public records, books and experts.

"Serial killers come from just a little different background. They have often fantasized about killing," said Betsy Ramsey, of the DeKalb County Solicitor General's Office.

Ramsey shares her expertise on the mind, traits and habits of a serial killer.

Students will weave all the information together, day of the week the murders occurred, time of day.

"Something will click. Something will all of a sudden say wait a minute, there was no forced entry in all 11 cases. That means maybe this guy had an MO that gave him access into that apartment. Was he a handy man, was he delivering flowers, did he pretend to be a police officer? Those are the kinds of things they are going to have to look at," said Ramsey.

It's also imperative that the victims' families agree to help.

Mary Sullivan is considered the last strangler victim, but her nephew, Casey Sherman wrote a book on the case and is convinced Desalvo didn't kill his aunt.

Sullivan scheduled to talk to the students this spring.

Beth Holloway visited the college when the institute tackled the case of her missing daughter Natalie two years ago. The Alabama 18-year-old disappeared in 2005 during a graduation trip to Aruba.

There are several reasons students attend the institute. For freshman Chardonnae Newton, it's personal.

"This case means a lot to me. I know how it is to have somebody missing and not have any answers, not having any closure, not having any justice. I have a cousin, it's now going on 10 years, that's been missing and we don't have any answers," said Newton.

Lashaun Bates graduated from Bauder and does investigative work, but she still comes back to work on cold cases. "Each time that I come I'm able to apply and learn more and I'm able to do a better job. So, that's why I keep coming," said Bates.

While the Natalie Holloway case remains unsolved, that is not the case with Chandra Levy, a Washington, D.C. intern who disappeared in 2001.

In 2008, the cold case team turned over their findings to Washington police and an arrest was made within months.

In 2008, the cold case investigative research institute expanded to include students and faculty from four other colleges, each with an area of expertise in crime solving.

 ::MonkeyDevil::   This pose might be trouble for this fellow...     ::MonkeyHang::   

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http://ampilmore.blogspot.com/2010/03/im-currently-watching-natalee-holloway.html

SUNDAY, MARCH 7, 2010
Natalee Holloway

I’m currently watching the Natalee Holloway story on Lifetime and I am utterly disgusted with how the Aruba government and police did so little to help the Holloway’s find their daughter. I am so disturbed and upset with that whole mess that there are no words. I can’t even imagine how her parents must’ve felt. The Aruba government and police let her murderer or murderers get away without a care in the world. I’m sure if it was their child they would be doing everything in their power to find them even if it meant pulling a few strings. That is exactly what Beth Holloway did and she did it brilliantly. Despite all of the protests demanding that she leave the island and the entire Aruba government and police working against her she managed to be steadfast and strong. She did what any mother would do...she fought for her child. All I have to say is to the people of Aruba who did not help the Holloways or hindered their search in any way read me loud and clear: SCREW ALL OF YOU. You guys are disgusting and I hope that if you are ever in need that noone will come to your aid. Joran, you don’t deserve to have any life at all. You got out of things way too easily and you should thank you’re lucky stars that you’re not behind bars or worse. Why don’t you be a man and own up to your mistakes and quit hiding behind your father like a boy about to wet his pants? Grow some and give her family some peace. It’s not like if you came out anything would happen because god knows nothing has. It’s been years and you’re still walking free while her family suffers. How can you sleep at night? Well you’re judgement day will come whether it be on earth or in another life. I hope you’re ready because daddy won’t be there to bail you out. To the family of Natalee Holloway my heart goes out to you and to Natalee I hope you can finally rest in peace. To those of you going far away for spring break please be safe and keep your guards up so that you will come home safe and sound.
POSTED BY ASHLEY PILMORE AT 8:38 PM
1 COMMENTS:

 kaleighmyers said...
oh my goodness! I wanted to watch that movie when it first came out and still have yet to see it!! it looked SO good and I'm very interested in that case!!

MARCH 12, 2010 9:21 AM

This information that 2NJ posted recently is the last assignment I recall reading about for Jean Akers.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=6197.msg972529#msg972529


More information I found interesting that 2NJ posted:

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=6197.msg972751#msg972751




I don't know if this has ever been posted or not, it's an email that was released as part of a response to a FOIA request.  Just thought it was interesting.

http://www.citizensforethics.org/files/RELEASED%20IN%20FULL%20DW2-DW111.pdf

snip

Choi, Martino I RELEASED I
From:
Sent:
To:
Subject:
Gisvold, Lisa C
Friday, September 02.2005 1 1104 AM
TaskForce-I
FW: Neb ant Katrina assistance
L i s a Gisvold
Program Officer
Crisis Managemenk Support
Operations Center
US Department of State
Tel: 202-647-7640
> -----Original Message-----
>From : Wolfmon, Elizabeth M
>Sent : ~ r i d a y , September 0 2 , 2005 10: 58 AM
>To: SES-0-CMS
>Cc: Nichols, Brian A; Barclay, Charles V
>Subject: FW: Neth ant Katrina assistance
>
>This concerns an offer from the Dutch to aend the frigate HMS Amstel, posted in Curacao,
plus two helicopters, to help with Katrina recovery.
>
>Liz Wolfson
>WHA/CAR
>US Department of State
>2201 C street, NW, Washington, DC 20520
> ( 2 0 2 ) 647-4757
>
>
>From: Akers , Jean E ( W i l l emstad)
>Sent : Friday, September 02, 2005 10:50 AM
=+To: Wolfson, Elizabeth M; Reiter, Richard T
>Subject: Neth ant Katrina assistance
>
>Fyi
>The formal offer would have come through The Hague so probably you already know - but
Dutch Commodore Sijtsma, the commander of Dutch forces in the Caribbean, confirmed this
morning at his staff meeting that the Dutch have offered or plan to offer the HMS Amstel,
a frigate posted here in Curacao, plus two helicopters, to assist w i t h Katrina relief
efforts. The Amstel is on its way from Curacao to San Juan now. Commodore Sijtsma d i d
not have a fixm date of arrival in the Gulf or more info. on what type of assistance was
being offered.
>Jean
>
>Jean Akers
>Acting COM
> U . s . Consulate General
Netherlands Antilles & Aruba
>Tel: +599-9r461-3066 ~ 2 2 3
>IVG: X5 -94 04
.Fax: +599-9-461-6489
>Email: AkersJE@state.gov
UNlTED STATES DEPARTMEN'T OF STA'I'E
REb'IEW AUTHORITY: FRANK TIIMMINIA
DATElCASE ID: 22 NOV 2006 200503991

snip

The more things change... the more they stay the same.

COME TO ARUBA - SUCH A FRIENDLY ISLAND

with little gangsta-wannabe snots running around.

What is this little turd.... all of 15 years old?


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SO FIERCE!

My chihuahua could throw this little fart around the room like a chew toy!!!

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Then again, when you consider the kind of men they have on the island...

What do they have to look up to?


This fruit fly?


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Tickle Me Tito Lacle

 ::monkeydust::

Wreck ... Jean Akers left Aruba and her next assignment with the US government was Cambodia.

Just prior to Joran's Welcome Home Party at the van der Sloot following his September, 2005  release ... the Welcome Home Party where Jean Akers was a guest ... Beth was under the impression that this woman was on the side of justice for Natalee ... on the side of justice for an American citizen.  Can you imagine Beth's despair when she realized Natalee was being betrayed from one of her own.

Janet

+++++++++

LOVING NATALEE - Beth Holloway

Page 182:  Helen is very positive.  "It looks good that they will remain in custody" she says.  Then just three hours after she tells me this encouraging news, a devastating call comes from an AP reporter.

"Paulus van der Sloot and his attorney are bragging to everyone that all three suspects are getting out day after tomorrow!".

Then all the media start calling.  I call Helen, then FBI agent Bill and the U.S. vice-consul.  None of them have this information. So we tell the media it must be a rumor.  But the word is out all over the island from the defense side that all three suspects will walk.

Four and a half hours after this announcement is made to international media by Joran's father and his defense team, the FBI calls to tell me that it is indeed true.  So the three suspects who were last seen with my daughter, and who offered multiple versions of what happened that night, will go free.  And we are the last ones to find out.


JEAN AKERS

FOREIGN SERVICE OPPORTUNITIES TO BE TOPIC OF BROWN-BAG LUNCH AT OU

NORMAN – Anyone interested in a career in the foreign service or with the U.S. Department of State won’t want to miss the brown-bag lunch with Foreign Service Officer Jean Akers, who will discuss “Foreign Service and Other Opportunities at the State Department,” at noon Tuesday, Aug. 29, on the University of Oklahoma Norman campus, in 132 Ellison Hall, 633 Elm Ave.

A native Oklahoman, Akers graduated from Casady School in 1992. She received her undergraduate degree from the State University of New York at New Paltz in 1999 and a master of arts in international relations from the University of Amsterdam in 2003.

Akers joined the State Department in January 2004 and currently is finishing her first assignment at the U.S. Consulate General in Curacao, Netherlands Antilles. In her next assignment, she will serve as a consular officer at the U.S. Embassy in Phnom Penh, Cambodia.

The free, public discussion is sponsored by the School of International and Area Studies in the College of Arts and Sciences. For more information and accommodations on the basis of disability, contact Sandi Emond at (405) 325-1584 or semond@ou.edu.

http://casweb.ou.edu/home/news/press/press_20060828.html


http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4153.msg551665;topicseen#msg551665

SELF-EDIT

from one of her own S/B by one of her own

I have alot of friends who went to "Casady" on OKC. She graduated from there in 92' -- that makes her about 35 -36 now (meaning she was about 30 years old back in '05). I didn't realize she was that young as "Vice-Consul".

Jean Akers was still in Cambodia in 2007.  I do not have a clue if she is still there.

Janet

+++++

JEAN AKERS

MumIn Ohio
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #776 11/19-08
« Reply #819 on: November 21, 2008, 08:34:58 AM »

Don't Be Taken in by Visa Scams
U.S. Embassy, Phnom Penh
September 12, 2007
 
Embassy Consular Officer Jean Akers being interviewed on the set of TVK's "Good Morning Cambodia." Full Size

In response to increasing reports of dishonest agencies offering high school student programs and vocational internships for hefty fees, Consular Chief Anne Simon and the Chief of the Embassy's Nonimmigrant Visa Unit, Jean Akers, recently took to the radio and TV airwaves to warn Cambodian citizens about these scams. The consular officials urged the public to carefully evaluate company claims, and they emphasized that the Embassy does not guarantee visas to anyone. They also urged people to contact the Embassy if they have been the victim of a visa scam or fraud.

http://cambodia.usembassy.gov/visa_scams.html

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4153.msg551665;topicseen#msg551665
 

Bump   ::MonkeyRoll::

I thought she appeared older in these photos.  I could be wrong.

Janet

++++++

klaasend
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #723 2/5 -
« Reply #569 on: February 05, 2008, 09:03:57 PM »

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2572.msg341822#msg341822


Nut44x4
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
« Reply #49 on: August 14, 2009, 05:04:53 PM »

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5807.msg910642#msg910642

http://www.24ora.com/content/view/17153/8/

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Papiamentu translation:

police buscando turistanan perdi near of tamarijn hotel

sunday, 14 march 2010 - 17:05

in oranan of nightfall owing to enter informacion cu at height of tamarijn hotel owing to lose 4 tourist cu owing to enter sea but not owing to leave more. click read more for more info. at instant cu patrol of strand politie owing to arrive at the sitio, owing to talk cu miembronan of seguridad of the hotel cu owing to count ; of the melding cu owing to enter serca they. polisnan owing to busca on beach y none person not owing to aserca they for splica of the turistanan perdi. boat of police owing to busca in vecindario y same was the helicopter of police but none of two not owing to succeed in they attempt. owing to dicidi the hour for cancela the accion of buskeda cu hope cu the turistanan self will owing to leave for of sea without avisa or without come they hotel at once.

Papiamentu/Google Spanish translation:

police searching for lost turistanan Tamarijn hotel near of

Sunday, 14 March 2010 - 17:05

in orana of nightfall cu Owing to enter information at height of Tamarijn hotel tourist Owing to Lose 4 cu Owing to enter it but not Owing to leave more. Click read more for more info. at instant patrol of strand politie cu Owing to arrive at the site, Owing to talk cu miembronan of security of the hotel cu Owing to count; of the melding cu Owing to enter serca they. Owing to polisnan looking person on beach and none Owing to aserca not they for supplication of the turistanan lost. Owing to boat of police search in the neighborhood and was the same helicopter of police but none of two not Owing to succeed in they attempt. Owing to the hour for dicidi canceled the action of the buskeda cu cu hope will turistanan self Owing to leave for of either without warning or without hotel they come at once.

That little punk would run screaming like a little girl from your chihuahua, Carpe!    ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyCool::

Kinda odd...

She and Joran were next door neighbors for awhile.

I wonder if they ever visited each other for a game of grab ass on the weekend?

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I hope the betch eats hot steel. I hope anyone who made Natalee`s family`s lives
harder through that gosh awful time period die horrible painful slow deaths.

What a friggin DUMP. ::MonkeyHaHa::


La Salle College Aruba

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http://www.runsnroses.com/people/index.htm

I think this could be the same Jean Akers, she helps out at this organization in Thailand.

Runs 'N Roses is set up to support the Thai Child Development Foundation financially.
Most foundations have a lot of "overhead", such as salaries for staff, office rent, supplies, daily life costs, transport to and from projects and so on. The concept of Runs 'N Roses supporting the TCDF prevents that 50% of the given donations to TCDF
would be spent on overhead. By staying in one of the bungalows or guest rooms of Runs 'N Roses, you help TCDF in a constructive and lasting way. This will benefit all children involved with the foundation.

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Outdoor activities, workshops, daytrips and excursions - Runs 'N ...
Jean Akers, checking grammar and text. Mariette, printwork folders and brochures Kiaw, friend our link to local contacts. Patrick, advice and mentor Jen, ...
www.runsnroses.com/people/index.htm - Cached

Post address
PO Box 7, Phato Post Office
Amphur Phato, Changwat Chumpon, 86180 Thailand

texasmom
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
« Reply #19 on: August 13, 2009, 10:35:24 PM »

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5807.msg910272#msg910272

JEAN AKERS - CAMBODIA


JULY 4, 2008

Celebrating 232 Years of American Independence
U.S. Embassy, Phnom Penh
July 04, 2008

The U.S. Embassy in Phnom Penh celebrated the 232nd anniversary of the signing of the Declaration of Independence with its largest reception of the year, held right on the Embassy grounds.  More than 1,000 Cambodian government officials and civil society representatives attended the event. The embassy was honored to have H.E. Hor Namhong, Deputy Prime Minister and Minister of Foreign Affairs and International Cooperation, serve as the senior representative of the Royal Government of Cambodia.
 
Embassy Consular Officer Jean Akers served as the Mistress of Ceremonies for the evening, speaking in both English and Khmer.

http://cambodia.usembassy.gov/232nd_july_4th.html


DECEMBER 3, 2008

Posted by: Khan Piseth | 12/3/08 | 8:56 pm |
 
Dear Mr.OBAMA

I just let you know some comments from me.This a letter I sent to Consular In Phnom Penh, Cambodia this week but I didn’t reply back yet from them .visasphp@state.gov and consularphnom@state.gov.You are a presidence of them, please to making your law again to protect the Non immigration.

Dear Mrs. Anne Simon and Jean Akers,

Warmest greetings from me!

Firslty, I would like to introduce myself. My name is Khan Piseth. I am a financial Controller at Angkorland Hotel, Siem Reap (http://www.angkorland.com). On Wednesday, November 26, 2008, I was applied nonimmigrant visa with my cousin who name is Nop Sarop. he is also working at Angkorland Hotel as General Cashier. We were interviewed at counter No.5 and NIV No. 018.

Unfortunately, we couldn’t get it from you and also didn’t get any explaination from your staff on time besides one letter wrote we did not demonstrate strong social, economic and/or familial ties outside the United States. It wasn’t enough reason for me. Why do I think like this? According to your policy in applying nonimmigrant visa (Tourist Visa) under Section 214 (b) of the Immigrantion and Nationality Act, under U.S., we were prepared everything as you needed such as Applicaiton From (DS-156 AND DS-157), Adffidavit of support, I-134, Application Fee, Passport and Additonal Evidence ( Letter from our working place to certify our service date, positon and salary, Leave Application, Bank Statement, Birth Certificate, Family Record Book, House Plans and Land Plans….ect.).

For this case, I really regret with your decision. We spent our time nearly one month to prepare all the document above for our tourism purpose and visit my uncle and his family at Texas, U.S, and half day for interviewed but your staff said he didn’t have a time to explaine and turn off the speaker. Is it fair for us? What are your requirement?

Before I always advised to all my friend who want to get tourism visa, immigrant visa and study in U.S., just respected with all the condition of U.S.’s Law like Mrs. Anne Simon used to provide interviewing at CTN Channel and they will got it. Now, it is contrasting from all those words that i heard from her, however, we have everything. It is happening to me and my cousin.

I still don’t understand about your decision. If you think we won’t come back as our application which we apply to get the permit from you in 4 weeks, you can bring my uncle who is our guarantee go to jail. Am i allowed to see him stay in jail 26 years under U.S’s law? and Am I happy outside? how about my job and my family at here? please answer with these question if you were me.

Finally, I hope you can reconsider about our application and lets us get this visa because we just wanna spend our vocation only 4 weeks (on December) in U.S. for our tourism and visit my uncle and his family. We are trying to save our annual leave and public holiday many years for our relaxation from work and study and bring more experience to our life as you known we are working in hotel industry. I believe you know this case as well because you are working too.

Hope you understand and thanks for spending your value time to read my email and I looking forwards to hearing from your reply as soon as possible.

Best Regards,

Khan Piseth
Tel: (855) 92 799 997 / (855) 15 799 997
Email: pisethkhan@yahoo.com

P.S: If you need us send our application and document details, please let us know.

Read More

http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2008/11/propelled-by-in/#ixzz0iCCvAlJf

http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2008/11/propelled-by-in/

texasmom
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
« Reply #25 on: August 14, 2009, 03:00:20 AM »

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5807.20

If that's Jean Akers in this picture, then she must live in Aruba; or fly in for the IFA get togethers.  I see her in the pics quite often.

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Here's a few...

http://www.awemainta.com/

2/4/2009 Awe Mainta Page 24

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2/26/2009 Awe Mainta

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1/29/2010 Awe Mainta

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Every time I see Paulus` big fat grin and distended belly... I have a little party in my head
all over again.

I am so glad that rancid sack of meat was poisoned and dropped dead on the concrete!!!!!

He was a tsunami of sadness and pain for SOOOOO many people.

My only regret... is that I couldn`t have been there to wrap a chain around his neck and
drag him behind a boat for a couple of miles... slap a big iron hook in him and string him up for
Anita to come burn or bury.

I would have slowly driven all over the island with him hanging high, so everyone could
see what happens to a PATHETIC MURDERING COWARD like Joran`s father.

*For the people who were wondering

Piles of coward crap don`t get memorials. People are just happy they are gone.

Life goes on.

http://www.24ora.com/content/view/14382/9/

ifa owing to as one party of end of ańa at de suikertuin

wednesday, 09 december 2009 - 11:49

saturday ultimo, de suikertuin, situa in the centro of oranjestad, was anfitrion of the party annual of end of year cu owing to wordo teni for her international friends or aruba. click read more for more info... the restaurant owing to open his portanan in the oranan of night for acomoda the miembronan of ifa cu was provided that busca of one evento festivo of end of year. the are anima owing to disfruta of one open bar y the oportunidad of talk cu another y owing to saboria the delicioso pasapalonan of de suikertuin. we owing to compronde cu the after-party at garufa cocktail lounge was igualmente anima y owing to inclui bailamento on the ritmonan of the combo of c-zar olarte y angelo figueroa. situa at wilhelminastraat 64, de suikertuin is ofrece places for sit inside y pafo, where could you come breakfast y lunch all day in one ambiente local caluroso y dainty. for more information tocante the posibilidad of become acolyte of international friends or aruba, visit www.ifaruba.com. thanks at clelia douglas, that owing to place together one party of end of year much disfruta, y cu owing to count ; cu one presencia big of the miembronan.

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This one's for Carpe in case he missed it back in December!  ::MonkeyWink::

She looks like she knows what's coming doesn't she?   ::MonkeyDevil::

http://www.24ora.com/content/view/14382/9/

(http://www.24ora.com/mambots/content/multithumb/images/1..stories.news.2009.december.dec9.ifa.IFA%20Xmas%20(13).bmp.jpg)

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 ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

 ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyDevil:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

 ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyDevil::

Dunno... texasmom.

That woman in the pic (above) looks like she can slap enough make-up on to fake being pretty.

This lady looks like she wakes up each morning by slamming her head into a barn door.

With a beak like that... the only things that are missing are the bicycle with the basket and Toto.


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Good evening texasmom, spooky112483, echosofangels, Magnolia and 5 Guests are viewing this topic.   ::HelloKitty::

Hey spooky, it's good to see you.   ::MonkeyCool::  It's good to see everyone, actually.  I just don't see as much of spooky as we used to.  I remember when she used to turn out the lights.   ::rhino::

I don't think it's the same woman.  Look at the neck in all of the pics that I posted...even the old one that we thought might be Jean Akers (with PVDS).  The neck is the same in it and all of the IFA pics.  I don't see that in the known pic of Jean Akers.

JMO

Hi MuffyBee!   ::MonkeyDance::

STEPH WATTS AND TIM MILLER INVERVIEW

SEGMENT - THE TRAP

February 14, 2010

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/watts-up-with-this/2010/02/15/watts-up-with-this

Tim Miller: 

So, did we find Natalee?  I don’t know. It certainly looked like her clothes in that fish trap and again we know the night that Natalee disappeared the fisherman’s huts was broken into the knife was stolen; the big fish trap was stolen. 

It’s ironic we found one and I’ve actually got the pictures of that... you know what certainly appears to be a body in that fish trap.

Transcript: Kermit

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=7126.960


February 28, 2010

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/watts-up-with-this/2010/03/01/watts-up-with-this

Tim Miller:

We don't know really know we can't say positively sure it was human remains we've got some pictures that made us wonder.

John Silvetti doesn't feel 100% that it was that is why John wants to go back to search
we just got mixed messages on that and perhaps we over-reacted on that what we seen at the time looked suspcious.

I can't say positive one way or another what it was.

Transcript: Kermit

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=7126.960

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http://twitter.com/UncleNelly

Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway

Page 157:  Aruban authorities never took statements from the Alabama men, the eyewitnesses who were present at the van der Sloot' that first morning.  And no statement was taken from the DEA agent.  Aruba simply wouldn't do it.

 

Hello Doll! Wonderful to see you too. I hadn't read or kept up in so long. Every time I did try to jump in I had no clue what was being discussed. But with Paulus' death and the latest "confession" I dove back in. I'm glad a lot of old stuff is being looked at again. I always think that's where we'll find something. Anyhoo back to lurking for now, maybe I'll pop out more in the near future. I love ya'll so much! ::MonkeyHeart::

Okey dokey spooky.  Glad to see you're still here for justice for Natalee.   ::MonkeyKiss::

 :smt096

Every time I see that guy, I remember how happy I was that he LOST in the election! ::MonkeyTongue::   ::MonkeyCheer2::

He's looked kind of sickly in the pics I've seen since then.   ::MonkeyHaHa::

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http://www.24ora.com/content/view/17160/8/

candela (fire) at bubali plas

monday, 15 march 2010 - 19:59

diadomingo nightfall had one candela at bubali plas. brandweer owing to arrive at the sitio y owing to combati the candela at once. click read more for more info... do not conoci (know) if is one candela intencional or if ela sende his only by of the sun cayente (hot/heat).

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Freudian slip, huh? ...or more poor Aruban spelling.

Carpe...Good one....perhaps a preview of urine's hell.....
For now I'd recommend you put paulass's face there...he is actually experiencing HELL..... ::MonkeyDevil::

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Thanks, billb!!!


That is where he will wind up getting it. I hope you are paying attention, Joran.

BANG!  Right in your:

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It is coming soon.

http://www.sipiapa.org/upload/notisip/file_us_11.pdf

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Sociedad Interamericana de Prensa
1801 S.W. 3rd Avenue | Miami, Florida 33129
Tel: (305) 634-2465 | Fax: (305) 635-2272
www.sipiapa.org | premioschapultepec@sipiapa.org

I'm pretty sure it won't amount to anything worthwhile....but since I have a moment...I sent the following to jean akers....
'AkersJE@state.gov'
Thanks TM for posting the email address.....

Ms. Akers,

You were the vice-consul for the USA to the Netherlands when Natalee Holloway went missing in May 2005. What was your role and what did you do to protect the interests of Natalee and her parents: Beth Holloway Twitty and Dave Holloway during that time?

From Beth’s book, the following was stated: Please provide information on your role.

Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway

Page 185:  The island authorities originally planned to release the three suspects at two o-clock in the morning on Saturday, September 3.  The Strategic Communications Task Force undoubtedly helped them make a less conspicuous move and release them in the afternoon instead.  Curious to see the setup at the van der Sloot house for Joran's parade of victory, I drive by there, never in a million years expecting to see who is there.  It's the U.S. vice-consul.  At the van der Sloots' house.  Why is she here?   She spots me.  Jumps in her car and follows me to a restaurant parking lot, waving, honking, calling on the cell phone.  I don't want to talk to her.  Who can we trust?

Thank you for your time.

Respectfully,

Good Night Good Monkeys...
Justice for Natalee is just around the corner...... ::MonkeyAngel::

I'm just catching up, so this may have already been addressed.......

I know this is far fetched, but do we all remember the first pics of Joran in Thailand, with those little kids?

I wonder if that had anything to do with what Jean was doing?

Thanks billb.

Your email will not be for naught.  It will be a reminder to Jean Akers that her betrayal to Natalee Holloway and her family has not been forgotten.

billb ... please let us know if you receive any response.

I suspect that Jean Ackers was not the only representative of the US government affiliated with the Island who possessed conflicted interests which interfered when it came to justice for an American citizen.

Janet

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ERIC WILLIAMS – FBI DRUG ENFORCEMENT AGENT - DEA

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=6777.0

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_69875.php

Google translation:

11,000 petition signatures child

March 13, 2010, 12:33 (GMT -04:00)

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Campaigners against child abuse on his way to parliament. Since yesterday they handed a petition signed by 11,000 people, with Lee Andin States President (AVP). In protest, the activists to advocate for tougher penalties for child abusers. Moreover, they want the public who care about and reporting of child abuse go to function better

ORANGE CITY - Activists yesterday after a short protest march a petition with 11,000 signatures handed to States President Andy Lee (AVP). It advocates the introduction of minimum penalties against offenders and a better functioning of public authorities in reporting and the aftercare of victims.

by our reporter
Sharina Henriquez

Between fifty and sixty people were walking along yesterday in a brief protest march against sexual abuse of children. The march went to the parliament, where Lee took the petition received. The petition and the stories of the activists shows again that the Administration Committee malfunction. The administration often occurs late in cases of child abuse. But the police do not adequately enough.

Evidence
This is clear from the story of Lisette Gomes, mother of two abused children. She gave one months ago, initiated this action. She talks about "leaks to the authorities" that valuable evidence was lost. Gomes called on a Friday night to the police, who said to return Saturday morning to come and do. The next day she was told that the Child and Youth Vice (KJZP) was available again until Monday. "So I lost two days before my children could be examined by a pediatrician."
Gomes is not vindictive by the police and other agencies to make big accusations, but just trying to get everyone together so quickly take action. This thought is clearly valued, as was also the participation of police officers at the protest march.
Lack of resources is a major problem in the police and Voogdrijraad, says Gomes. This is underlined by PDR Andin Bikker MPs in the protest march meeloopt and Parliament Speaker Lee takes the petition. KJPZ does not have proper equipment to video interviews to take. That is something that is needed, the chances of prosecuting the offender to increase. "In my case that did not and that disturbs the investigation. It also ensures that the offender may receive a lesser sentence, "said Gomes.

Help
Gomes and most activists want to petition the authorities to work better. They also want stricter that perpetrators be punished. Preferably sees the mother of two abused children at least ten years that offenders enter the cell. "This is preventive. Who wants a child abuse, or think twice about doing something to do. "But they do see that the perpetrators should also receive assistance. This is done by her now. Even adequate assistance to victims and family members is insufficient. The petition, addressed to both the parliament and the government, is expressly requested. The activoerders also ask for a special department at the Voogdrijraad, so it can be robustly acted as cases of sexual abuse of minors are reported. The petition is also the request for material for the police so they can reduce video interviews.

Domino effect
Bikker reports that the lawmaker to the State Government has stated that a committee will now look into the functioning of the Voogdrijraad. The commission was established in December last year after three cases were known, the Administration Committee by Bikker 'weeks the problem has turned around. " There was only something done by other agencies involved when the bell went. Bikker, which the activists from the beginning has helped with advice, the police learned that two weeks from November to return the number of cases of sexual abuse of children 'alarmingly' increased. However there are many cases in recent years and whether there is a growing trend, both he and the police declared. "But every case is one too many, 'says Bikker. Moreover, there is a domino effect that more children are now afraid to come out. This mother did not stop the abuse, but sought publicity and gets much attention. The subject is still a taboo and abuse was until now mainly kept within the family implied. "

Children
Parliament President Lee is expected that groups like Bikker all these signatures to the problem quickly and put on the agenda include the government will ask for solutions. He thinks that within the government is working hard, but that may lack resources. "But this can not continue, something must be done. At the moment it does not work and no aftercare. We have to protect our children and ensure their fundamental rights. That guarantee is there now. "Asked why the subject never previously received much attention in politics - it was by any party during the elections last year and raised it so it does not explicitly party's - Lee says:" It is We have no tradition and no youth. I'm not saying that children do not count, but the focus is more on the economy and to adults. The youth is very often forgotten. "

I remember the picture jen, I know many thought it was photoshopped.  I sure hope Jean Akers or any other representative of the US State Department is not helping Joran in any way.  In looking around I did find an interesting coinky-dink with Joran and good ole (note sarcasm) Remkes.

Click here for the Telegraaf’s article about van der Sloot’s disappearance and photographs of the expose:

http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/2423211/__Van_der_Sloot_hals_over_kop_huis_ontvlucht__.html?p=2,1

This is the literal English translation of the article, according to Google:

Van der Sloot house fled pell-mell
by Bert Houses

AMSTERDAM - Joran van der Sloot seems to be an arrest not to wait. The 21-year-old Dutchman, who lives in Thailand, since Friday without trace.

The Thai justice by the enormous attention in our country and has shaken up directly through the embassy in our country the images obtained from the undercover operation by Peter R. de Vries, which was broadcast yesterday evening.

De Vries confirmed yesterday that the footage, which Joran Thai girls offer for the Dutch sex industry, is now being translated by Thai embassy staff.

Joran van der Sloot has probably Friday Bankgok leave immediately, on the day the news of the second undercover operation against him came out. He visited that night, according to witness another celebration, but no more turned back to his house.

According to a Dutch witness, he ‘s night on a domestic flight to the island of Koh Samui for the Thai coast.

The man proposes Joran on board the aircraft to have recognized.

Joran’s lawyer, Mr. Bert de Rooij, revealed yesterday that the agreement with his client “but difficult” process.

“I hope to quickly contact. We will first discuss whether it is wise to stay in Thailand. From what I hear it, there is not even a ruling for tenderness, regardless of whether there is evidence or not. This is something nobody in a cell controversy. “

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http://www.trouw.nl/krantenarchief/2005/01/04/2322964/Remkes_gaat_toch_naar_rampgebied.html

Google translation:

JANUARY 4, 2005

Remkes is yet to disaster area

DEN HAAG - Minister of Home Affairs will Remkes after heavy criticism from the Netherlands tomorrow to the disaster area in Thailand yet. As chief of Zunderd of the National Police Services (KLPD) minister to visit the Disaster Identification Team (RIT) in Phuket.

 
The minister celebrates since Boxing Day holiday on the Thai island of Koh Samui, but until yesterday had no direction given testimony to the victims of the tsunami. Remkes in the Netherlands as Minister of Internal Affairs Coordinating Minister for disaster. The RIT falls under his leadership.

According Remkes was in the disaster area at first only need helpers. Second-MPs had an attitude that not many good words. PvdA MP Samsom Remkes said the behavior of an "embarrassment". ,, I do not begrudge anyone his holiday, but I find it incomprehensible that the interior minister to face this disaster has not yet seen.''

SP MP Van Bommel calls it "outrageous, unheard of" what did Remkes. ,, Everyone in this country is working hard to figure how we can help people. We are the flags half mast Wednesday, the Prime Minister goes on the doorstep of the Knights a speech and keep Remkes holidays. Recess is not a holiday but a part-free period. You are 24 hours a day minister, seven days a week.''

Coalition parties CDA and VVD respond more carefully. VVD MP Van Baalen does speak explicitly are, no surprise that Remkes gesture made while he is in the region where the disaster took place'', but he would have no political fuss of it. This is also CDA MP Ferrier. She said that, we own it something else had done in Remkes' place, such as''put more feeling in it.

Remkes friends from Groningen has a house on the island of Koh Samui, something that affected the north than Phuket.

A spokesman for the minister confirmed that Remkes celebrating holidays on Koh Samui. "He has called on Boxing Day that he had arrived safely and that he intended to continue his vacation.''Remkes indicated that he would not be disturbed. Moreover Remkes,, rather difficult to achieve''said the spokesman.

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http://www.smh.com.au/news/Asia-Tsunami/Calls-for-uncaring-Dutch-minister-to-resign/2005/01/04/1104601326121.html

Calls for 'uncaring' Dutch minister to resign
January 4, 2005 - 8:53AM

The Interior Minister of the Netherlands Johan Remkes came under fire in parliament for holidaying in Thailand without visiting Dutch victims of the massive tsunami.

Remkes arrived in Thailand on December 26, the day a massive undersea earthquake unleashed massive tsunamis that struck across the Indian Ocean, to spend his annual Christmas holiday on the island of Koh Samui with a group of friends, the Dutch News Agency ANP said.

Koh Samui lies 250 kilometres from the Thai resort island of Phuket, whose coastal areas were devastated by the tsunamis.

The Dutch agency said that while Remkes had contacted his ministry to inform it that he had arrived safely in Thailand, he said he did not want to be disturbed during his holiday. A spokesman at the ministry told ANP he was difficult to reach.

Opposition members of parliament have called on him to resign, citing a lack of empathy and accessibility following the disaster, after which more than 145,000 have been confirmed as dead.

Six Dutch nationals have been confirmed dead and 30 listed as missing or unaccounted for.

Members of Remkes' own party have expressed disappointment at the fact he did not keep himself informed of the crisis during his visit.
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http://www.geenstijl.nl/mt/archieven/2008/11/joran_ondergedoken_op_remkes_i.html

Google translation:

Joran in hiding Remkes Island

Joran van der Sloot is m chirp. Gone. Pleite. Way. Mr. has the oh so pleasant suburb of Bangkok city students leave and is in hiding. Last night was SBS6 to see how Peter R de Vries triumphed with his Emmy Joran Taaise whores offered for sale low. This is punishable in the land of smiles. And Joran is better than ever and prompt sudden Noorderzon the left. The Thai police have requested the tapes of SBS6, and Joran saw coming. According to eyewitnesses Sat Joran on the plane to the island of Koh Samui. A pretty horny Ameland kind that we know as the favorites hang-out of the sympathetic Minister Gins & Other Interior Johan Remkes. You know, the political director already said in 2006 that the investigation into the disappearance of Natalee Holloway would be completed in no time. This negative adviesje entertainment for all Ladies on Koh Samui. If the smooth guy in the bar proposes to have to go to the beach. DOE. THE. NO. (broadcast in full by online)


Is that the same place this pic was taken?

http://www.nowpublic.com/world/joran-van-der-sloot-man-without-country-part-ii

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Government: ‘Arashi-beach not for five-star hotel’

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ORANJESTAD — The Aruban government does not intend to give the Arashi-beach to the planned five-star hotel of Tierra del Sol. The construction of the hotel itself is still a point of discussion.

During a town hall meeting yesterday evening in Centro di Bario Noord, both Premier Mike Eman (AVP) and Minister Benny Sevinger (AVP) of Infrastructure, Environment and Integration (AVP) announced that they did not fancy the construction of a new five-start hotel. Eman stated that the management of Tierra del Sol wants to go ahead with the project to solve their current financial problems, but it was Minister Sevinger who had especially lashed out. “They had approached me for an appointment, and told me they had obtained a permit from the previous government for the construction of a hotel. They inquired after the possibility to make use of the beach. My answer had been, just like with Ritz Carlton, that we do not approve of more hotels and condominiums”, says Sevinger, “but if you already have a permit from the previous government, then we –in any case- will not give you the beach. More than that, if you already have a permit for the hotel and we are to approve the construction plans, then you must create your beach within your terrain, otherwise your construction plans will not be approved either.”

In the presence of the Amigoe, Minister Sevinger declared he did not know what the previous government had promised Tierra del Sol. He states he is not aware of an agreement concluded with Tierra del Sol in 1994 that the parcel directly behind the Arashi-beach is supposedly granted to Tierra del Sol as soon as this became available.

However, director Bas van Nieuwenhuijzen of Tierra del Sol informed this newspaper yesterday “the government has no choice in this matter”.

The director also indicated yesterday, they were negotiating with the government on the long lease agreement, which for that matter has expired. In a reaction, Minister Sevinger states, “I do not recall if it had been Mr. Nieuwenhuijzen who had come to present the plans.”

As a result of yesterday’s article in the Amigoe, AVP State-member Juan David Yrausquin presented Minister Sevinger with a series of questions. He wants to know whether the Minister or one of his departments is indeed currently negotiating with Tierra del Sol, as indicated by director Van Nieuwenhuijzen. He also wants to see the long lease agreement signed by former minister of Infrastructure, Marisol Lopez-Tromp (MEP) and the letter of intent. He further wants to see the long lease contract from 1994, which supposedly indicates that the government has no choice with the purchase of the terrain from the Luidens-family.

Other zoning plan

AVP State-member Juan David Yrausquin passed on a document to the media, in which the former minister of Infrastructure, Marisol Lopez-Tromp (MEP) agreed with Tierra del Sol on a change of zoning plan regarding the terrain at Arashi. In the letter dated December 15th, 2006, she gives permission for a ‘luxurious (five-star) mix-use resort and casino of maximal 400 keys and a luxurious residential area consisting of fifty detached parcels and villas. In a reaction, Lopez-Tromp confirms that the change had been implemented upon request of Tierra del Sol. “In 2006, there had been another situation in the tourism sector where we also had to contemplate other considerations. The change was also bound to several conditions, amongst which a demonstrable bank guarantee to be met within a certain time span. When these conditions had not been met within the agreed upon time span, that change of zoning plan had also expired, according to Lopez-Tromp.

http://www.24ora.com/content/view/17182/5/

the morning news owing to open his portanan

monday, 15 march 2010 - 11:31

monday morning did take lugar aperture oficial of office of the corant the morning news aruba. at the acto here, minister otmar oduber was present for so efectua the ceremonia of aperture. click read more for more info... we primerisima sharon rose, owing to interpreta we anthem of aruba. here is talk of one are of profesional in the world periodistico of aruba, cu owing to uni compel y not owing to let circumstancianan as we far of locual is good in dje, esta produci one corant all day at the language english, dirigi at comunidad provided that general. because esey is the great diferencia. the morning news aruba is one corant local produci in the language english for so permiti we bishitantenan also conoce more of we because; comunidad. the morning news aruba is follow one tradicion cu owing to inicia several decada behind. all cu is form the morning news aruba owing to form part of one philosophy cu owing to nace more of 60 year. one philosophy of take away one periodismo of level, cu atencion for her retonanm but more important one periodismo cu is celebra the beautiful of we country. sinembargo, in the vueltanan cu life is strike, have trip can experencia momentonan less beautiful, less facil y is take curashi for enfrenta they. the lesson of life cu the morning news aruba is representa, is cu bao all instant have to have the curashi for take decisionnan dificil y acepta the retonan cu is come we fast. give we self can venci never was one opcion. y bao none circumstancia, esnan cu owing to guia we for arrive for place always profesionalismo fast, will not owing to wait for esey of we niether, father y mother schouten, y niether sonia wever- schouten, q.e.p.d. never will owing to wait for esey of the are of personanan here cu for decadanan owing to stop they slow. owing to compronde they message y owing to learn of they. for such motibo self, the morning news aruba is more cu immidiately one corant. the is stop for dedicacion, determinacion y ambicionarubiano, for aspira for mihor. y contenido because; such, will refleha the ghost aruban here also. 24ora.com is extende his words of pabien at staff y personal, journalist y fotografonan of the morning news aruba cu aperture of they office.

more pictures at the link...

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To answer my own question, no it's not...that was Ko Samet.

My love affair with Hans Mos ended on December 4, 2007 ... prior to the release of Joran van der Sloot from detention.  It was me who called it off.

ANYBODY who blames the family of Natalee Holloway ... for the failed Aruban investigation that had established a cover up agenda to protect Joran and Paulus ... does not get a pass from Tamikosmom.

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HANS MOS:  THE FAULT OF THE FAILED INVESTIGATION - FAMILY AND MEDIA

Holloway Attorney: 'Extraordinarily Painful'
Tuesday, December 04, 2007

VAN SUSTEREN: Well, I sat with the prosecutor, and I actually thought he was a pretty smart guy until all this unfolded. But he told me that the reason the investigation had failed was because of two reasons. One is the family and bringing in the DA who happened to be there on the island at the time. And the other is the media. That's why he said that this has failed.

KELLY: You know, that's so sad because even now, as I speak, as I said, everything I might say based on conversations with him, you know, defense attorneys have had in their hands for 10 days now, two weeks. So it's nothing new being revealed here. And to — you know, he's the one holding press conferences. He's the one that sat down for the long interview with you before I ever spoke to you.

And you know, I'm sure he's a very smart guy, but he had no answers to any of the questions we asked when we were down there. It was kind of sad that even the first questions we started asking him, he had no answers to.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,314966,00.html

 ::MonkeyDevil:: ::MonkeyDevil::

Thanks TM  I LOVE that picture.

The winner of the worldwide teeniest weenie contest  ::MonkeyDevil::

The weenie that wasn't  ::MonkeyDevil::

Look ma -- no weenie  ::CowboySmiley::

At least we know what he does when he needs to count past 20  ::piggy::


Gosh -- I can't imagine any female (or male) on earth wanting to get anywhere near him


 ::MonkeyBike:: ::MonkeyBike:: ::MonkeyBike:: ::MonkeyBike::

 ::MonkeyDevil::

Here's a couple of Joran in Thailand photos I have:

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Klaas ... mods

Please delete Post 83

Thanks

Janet

There you go again, Janet........taking things out of context. ::MonkeyTongue::

I never said that I had a "love affair" with Eric Williams.

Done   ::MonkeyCool::

Thanks Klaas.

I wonder if there is a Jean Akers connection.

Janet

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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #831 3/13/10
« Reply #71 on: Today at 11:18:22 AM »

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=7221.60

Obviously ... something was going on behind my back.  He never once sent me his photo with love.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Janet

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Aruba - A Murderer`s Paradise

This thing reads like a child wrote it.

Aruba safety rules:

The thing to remember is that although Aruba is one of the very safe places on earth which is why most of us love it, it isn't crime free. The island has been working very hard to get rid of the illegals. It is a difficult job since it is an island. You know what we have in our country at our borders so you can imagine what a problem it would be if all of our property was surrounded by ocean. Illegals are responsible for a majority of the crimes but obviously not all of them. The court system is similar to ours and penalties are in most cases as severe or more so than those in the USA. The jail has a great view but no air conditioning so you do not really want to break any laws. Also, tourists are just as guilty of crimes such as theft as anyone else. Many tourists come in on cruise boats and leave with a lot more than they started with.

So let me start the list with the most important warning to tourists. This is the one that involves your own behavior. Then I will go on to all of the safety items. Then a special set of rules for parents and teens.
General
Always remember that if you break the law and get caught you don't have immunity. You will spend a lot of time in jail waiting for the court case. They aren't going to be lenient just because you are a tourist. Ignorance of the law is no excuse in Aruba either. Therefore, don't do anything in Aruba that is illegal at home. Drugs are illegal. Don't do them. You have just as much chance of dealing with an undercover cop as you do a real dealer. You are a guest in their country and as a guest you need to respect their laws.
Remember that nowhere is perfect. Crime happens. Crime happens to nice people. Always pretend you are in your home town. Follow the rules you would use there.
Your room or hotel desk has a safe that is at your disposal. Put everything you can in it. Do not leave your camera out. Do not leave your jewelry out. Remember, you used or wore these things already. A thief has already seen these items. A thief is already lurking somewhere to take them if you allow him to. Lock that safe! Take the key with you. Do not leave the key 'hidden' in the room. That ingenious hiding place is the first place a good thief will look. Most keys do not have a key ring. Buy one of those stretchy bracelets or a metal chain so that the key can be on your person no matter where you are.
Do not leave your camera, wallet or any other valuable in your beach bag. If you can't take it in the water or can't bear losing it, leave it in your room or after you use it take it back to your room.
Do not flash your money around in the casino. Wait until you are in your room to count your wins or losses. Keep only the money you want to spend in an easy to reach place.
Lock your car and leave nothing where anyone can see it. Jeeps are prime targets. They have no hiding places. Take nothing of value with you when you drive.
Many tourists come in on cruise ships and leave several hours later with very full pockets. These pockets are full of wallets, cameras, and everything else that you left unlocked or exposed.

 
Rules for parents
The world is not safe. Remember that.
Teens are gullible.
Teens will do things when parents aren't there that they would be scared to death to do at home.
Don't think that because there is a chaperon your child is safe. Have you ever tried to watch a dozen teens?
Don't let your teen go out alone. Give instructions to all who are going together to keep track of each other. You might want to bring walkie talkies or rent cell phones so they are always able to contact you or each other.
Teens do even more foolish things after a drink or two. They don't have to be falling down drunk to lose their inhibitions. Set limits and keep to them. Just because it is legal to drink doesn't mean that it is necessary to drink.
Keep certain places off limits. Although 18 is the legal age to drink in Aruba, the rule is very lax as it is in many countries. Keep places off limits that you don't want your kids going to. Kids do stupid things. Keep repeating that as a chant.
If your teens are going to Aruba without you, insist that they stay in the high rise area. Although I love the low rise area and it is great, it is open, spacious, and rather boring for teens. In the high rise area there are things to do and places to go that give them some place a little safer to be.
Very simple rule. If you don't trust your teen or their friends at home, don't trust them in Aruba.

 
Rules for teens
You are not invincible. You can get hurt, raped, or even very permanently dead.
If you are looking forward to scoring some pot or ludes or anything else, don't. they are just as illegal in Aruba as in the good old USA. Undercover cops love to sell these things and put cuffs on you. Jail stinks anywhere.
Strangers are not your friends. They may become your friends sooner or later but they are not automatically your friends because they are cute or cool. They will give you the same lines you hear at home. Don't believe them just because they are foreign.
Don't travel alone. Always have at least one person with you. There is safety in numbers. Let someone know where you will be at all times.
Remember that what you do will always get back to your parents. You know it will. It always does.

by Sherry, Super Moderator of the Aruba Forums

The island has been working very hard to get rid of the illegals.

The illegals weren`t the ones that raped and murdered Natalee. ::MonkeyNoNo::

It was Joran Vandersloot, Deepak and Satish Kalpoe.


I think they need to work harder by getting rid of them! ::MonkeyTongue::

JOKE OF THE DAY:

The court system is similar to ours and penalties are in most cases as severe or more so than those in the USA.

That one caught my eye too.   ::MonkeyHaHa::

A month for attempting to murder your grandmother?

A revolving door for rape and murder?

billb....great email to Jean.  Hopefully you'll get  a response.  Ya'll amaze me still with your research and such.

Carpe.... you always crack me up.

I know this isn't the place but if ya'll would keep my brother Royce in your prayers.  Last June he was diagnosed with cancer on his voice-box, and the lymph nodes in his neck.  They removed the top of his voice-box, and lymph nodes.  He was still able to speak.  He went through a horrible time of radiation and chemo.  By October he was pretty much back to normal except for the amount of weight he lost, and most everything still taste terrible.  He only weighs about 130 lbs now.  Last week after biopsy's, cat scans, pet scans they have found that the cancer has returned on each side of his neck.  He goes this week for an ultrasound and to decide what the plan is.  I don't know if he has any fight left in him.  He looks horrible.  His face is really swollen, and........well I just don't have a good feeling about this.  He's 68.  His wife Tommie died 2 years ago this coming Mother's Day.  I've lost so many people the past few years.

Your prayers would be greatly appreciated for Royce.

Thank you monkey friends

Looks like I need to change ma clothes. lol

I am sorry about your brother, Snoopy.  I hope he has lots of fight left in him and all will go well.

Prayers being sent Snoopy.  Hugs too.  Frijole

This also takes the cake:

Also, tourists are just as guilty of crimes such as theft as anyone else. Many tourists come in on cruise boats and leave with a lot more than they started with.


Have fun in Aruba... they think you are a thief.

Many tourists come in on cruise boats and leave with a lot more than they started with.


HELLO!?!? Isn`t that how it is supposed to work?

I don`t know how these inbreds ever made money... they have brains the size of porch lizards.

Hi Snoopy!!!  ::HelloKitty::

Will keep your brother Royce in my prayers. Stay strong.

I'm so sorry Snoopy, I hope they can find a plan that will get him through this again.

(((hugs))) and prayers!

Thank you everybody.  I do appreciate it

carry on come across and all that.

 ::MonkeyAngel::

Wonder what she suggests for those tourists that wake up with thieves in their hotel rooms!

It doesn't matter if you leave anything in the car or not, they'll break a window and steal the radio; if they don't just take the car and strip it for parts.  That "V" on the license plate lets everyone know that any damage will be charged to the tourists credit card!

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZlTPfeTj4Bc

http://www.youtube.com/v/ZlTPfeTj4Bc&hl=en_US&fs=1&

EvitaProductions
January 16, 2010
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Starbucks Aruba Renaissance Market Place "1st Photoshoot": Behind The Scenes!

The Starbucks Location at Renaissance Market Place is brand new and running smoothly. Starbucks decided to host their first photo-shoot in Aruba to showcase their line of products!

Be pending for the ad campaign starting SOON!

Makeup Artist: "Rashida de Freitas"
Models: "Dody Lacle & Aline Hibbert"
Behind The Scenes Coverage: "Evita Productions"

Photography by "Jason I. Margarita"
Category:  Entertainment
Tags:  starbucks  renaissance market place  evita productions  starbucks photoshoot  starbucks aruba  julissa rodulfo  julie-julie  jason margarita  rashida de freitas  photoshoot  photoshoot aruba

Always remember that if you break the law and get caught you don't have immunity. You will spend a lot of time in jail waiting for the court case. They aren't going to be lenient just because you are a tourist.

No, they are only lenient when your father works in the prosecutor`s office!

Then you will get special visits and a smuggled in cell phone.

Hi Snoop - my prayers are on the way. I'm sooo sorry to hear that Royce is facing such challenges.

My grandfather was REALLLLY close to God... and when he died, he seemed to want to pass that little aspect on to someone - looks like I got it. When he died he flew right through my brother - and my brother's eyes kinda popped out a little  ::MonkeyHaHa:: - and then my grandfather decided he was gonna jump into the "gold digger's" body one last time.. and she fainted... ::MonkeyHaHa:: but he wasn't done YET... and came around the room kamikaze style and gave me a big smooooch  ::MonkeyEek:: and off he went through the glass door... .. it's kinda funny he kissed me cause the last word he spoke was "Robbie" just a day earlier...true story - oh it's true sister!!  ::MonkeyAngel:: death can be amazing - but only for someone as old as my grandfather...

Prayers on the way!!

I guess the divorce is final now.

I'll add your brother Royce to my prayers.  It's good to see you snoopy.   ::MonkeyKiss::

Or maybe she has remarried? ::MonkeyShocked::

I`ve seen her quite a few times. Nice white teeth, but when she smiles she always looks
like she is holding back a gigantic buzzard that would level plate glass windows if cut loose.

Anita always looks like that too.

Heaven forbid that Marlene and Anita should let em go at the same time. ::MonkeyDevil::

snoopy,
My prayers go out to your brother Royce and your families....
God Bless.... ::MonkeyAngel::

This is the only reply I've received so far....auto reply within moments of when I sent it out....so at least her email seems current.....

Out of Office AutoReply: Aruba - Natalee Holloway
Akers, Jean E [AkersJE@state.gov]
To: xxxxxxxxx
Hello, I will be out of the office the afternoon of Friday, March 12 with the 151st A100 class.  If this is urgent, please contact Helen Kelly in HR/CDA/EL.  Otherwise I will respond when I return to the office on Monday. Best regards, Jean

 ::MonkeyDevil::

They`d cancel each other out... much the same principal as fighting wild fires.

Seriously though -

When they smile, they are just showing teeth. It is because deep down inside, they are unhappy women.

There are facial muscles that they aren`t using when they smile.

They are faking it... in most of the shots I`ve seen.

...and it doesn`t take a specialist to be able to spot it, either. It is pretty glaring.

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 ::MonkeyJnBox::

 ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::  Good one carpe  ::MonkeyDance::  It's so good to have you back.   ::MonkeyKiss::

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Thanks MuffyBee.... good to be here!!! ::MonkeyKiss::

BUMPED


Hi billb

 ::HelloKitty::

Good Night.

Janet
8:05 PM pt

 ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyHaHa::::MonkeyLaugh::

Being married to creepy, cowardly Paulus and that walrus, Mark Purcell, neither of them could
have had much to smile about.

Thanx BillB! ::MonkeyCool:: Jean is probably gonna be thinkin who the hell is Billb.. ::MonkeyHaHa::

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

An elderly couple beaten badly by thieves (that spoke papiamento) in their home.

http://www.awe24.com/?main&id=2926&offId=0&offDate=2010-3

18 hora happen | fecha: 15/03/2010 | horario: 04:58

this is abuse, antisocialnan is maltrata severamente lady of edad y one another person also of edad apparently for steal or atracanan in they cas the pagina here is contene material grafico or strong besides the do not apto for younger of edad or esnan sensibel monday madruga owing to enter informe cu at one cas at mont caretaweg have one lady of edad cu owing to being seriamente maltrata for antisocialnan, at once owing to dirigi tanto police because; ambulance at the sitio. at arrival of the patrol owing to come constata cu at the adres menciona have one lady cu owing to being seriamente maltrata y owing to solicita presencia of ambulance cu urgencia. at once at arrival of ambulance they owing to atende y transporte cu sumo urgencia for hospital. apparently here will is deal of antisocialnan cu owing to enter for steal or atraca. at the sitio they owing to being informa cu one another ciudadano in the same caya also owing to being maltrata in the same modus operandi. version policialpolisnan of san nicolas owing to bay cu urgencia monday madruga 3.30,na one cas in mount caretaweg, for one atraco. at the sitio, police is see cu one pareha big owing to wordo atraca y agredi y was malamenta golpia. police owing to talk cu he d.v owing to of 64 year y the is count ; police cu past owing to hear his casa h.h.v.a of 68 year in dream y owing to believe cu past owing to achieve one malsoño. past owing to arise for help the casa, hour cu one man owing to cohe as, while cu the was see cu one another boy was beat his casa in his cara cu algo duro. they was talk papiamento y was ask for coin. after they owing to coy two telephone celular y owing to bay for of the sitio. he that is one person cu is diabetico y have problem cu his leg, y alavez owing to haci cuatro bypass at his curason, owing to march one good distancia, first cu past owing to achieve aid. he owing to wordo take away centro medico for tratamento, while cu the casa, mirando the gravedad of his maltrato, owing to hibe cu urgencia hospital for tratamento. monday afternoon owing to enter informacion cu the madam owing to achieve one fractura earnest at his craneo. the caso is in investigacion. departemento of t.o.d y recherche owing to bay at the sitio. come across

Well apparently she's outta the office a lot cause she sure wasn't there for Natalee.  As far as I'm concerned she's an american traitor to an citizen when she was needed most.

Rob.....too darn funny man.  Thanks.  Made me smile.

Ya know this just keeps ticking me off!!  I can't get past it.  She works for us.  Our tax dollars pay her salary.  And there she is in pictures with Anita.  There she was with Joran when he was released from jail.  What about Natalee?  What about Beth.  She needs to get fired.  She's worthless.  JMHO and sumbody prove me wrong.   pppfffttt

Snoopy

It is something akin to the Persistence undertaking.  It was underwritten with donated monies from those whose desire was to further justice for Natalee Holloway ... not the Aruban coverup agenda.  Again the family of Natalee Holloway were betrayed by their own.

Janet

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private eye
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #746 4/4
« Reply #499 on: April 09, 2008, 12:39:50 AM »

If I understood Kyle correctly, and that would be that the Arubans retrieved and possessed all finds, not sharing anything with the crew, then that effort was a waste of time and effort. The only thing it could have accomplished was to locate additional evidence for the Arubans to destroy. I am not sure if that was the protocol out of Aruba's waters though. The effort was superb, but the game was fixed.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2769.msg372245;topicseen#msg372245

Yep Ktf...
She'd better not Monkey around with us..... ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyCool::

Pisses me off too snoopy.....
Jean appears to act like so many on that hell hole of an island......she took on the aruba trait that tourists (especially Americans) deserve what ever happens too them while visiting....after all, the Americans have so much and then they come to our island and disrespect us in so many ways (I say Bull$hit)..aruba set things up to take all kinds of advantage of tourists and especially Americans...from drugs/money laundering/prostitution/human trafficking, etc.....paulass (was-hehe) and his cronies are neck deep in that...and their offspring are chips off the old block....it's a game for them from the highest levels of their corrupt govt, om, le, to the perps....the spouses/parents (everyone lies-k2 mom)...they don't know the difference between right and wrong....right in their minds is whatever they do...and wrong is everything else......they will  bite off their own nose to save their face......they all band together....even Jean...paid for by American taxpayers but believe they are above accountability...
aruba sucks...on it's best day.......
Thanks for letting me rant.....

Good Night Good monkeys....
Jestice for Natalee is just around the corner....... ::MonkeyAngel::

 ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyEek::

http://www.24ora.com/content/view/17202/8/

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Papiamentu translation:

tourist owing to cay for of 6 floor of westin hotel

monday, 15 march 2010 - 23:58 one tourist female one rato happen owing to cay for of the balcon at westin. police y ambulance owing to wordo calling cu urgencia. is resulta cu the tourist was throw abao y was complain of very dolor. the was bleed y complain of dolor at several part of his curpa. tanto the person muher because; his casa was below ; influencia of alcohol. click read more for more info... police not owing to confia the asunto mucho y owing to bay atende the asunto here earnest cu his casa, because not can compronde con the tourist can owing to cay his only for of 6 floor. two ambulance owing to present at the sitio y owing to work at once cu the victima. cu urgencia owing to transporte for hospitaal while cu police owing to stay atende cu his casa for saca afor cu if is algo intencional owing to sosode here. at hospitaal owing to constata cu the victima owing to break both pols (arms?), both leg y also his heup (hip?). the victima is ‎​kendrah godfried, naci at merca day 5 of august 1980. police is investigando the caso earnest here now.

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http://www.awe24.com/?main&id=2937&offId=0

Papiamentu translation:

2 hora happen | fecha: 15/03/2010 | horario: 23:27

on honeymoon at aruba muher tourist americano owing to cay for of 6 floor of hotel westin, police owing to detene the casa of the muher y is interogando the we will follow informa.......

TxMom,

At the risk of appearing very foolish, I have to ask if she is alive?  Her head is not covered so I am assuming so but you never know with Aruba and their peculiar handling of human beings.

Yes, she's alive Anna.  I could see her grimacing (from the pain I'm sure) in one picture.

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http://www.einformante.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1498:turista-ta-benta-su-curpa-for-di-balcon-di-westin-despues-di-a-bebe-pilder&catid=1:policial&Itemid=2

tourist is throw his curpa for of balcon of westin, after of owing to drink pill

tuesday, 16 march 2010 00:19

oranjestad- yesterday evening algo after of 11’or, one young tourist that is hospedando in westin at palmbeach, owing to cai for of the of six floor of the hotel, y owing to abide heridanan earnest at cabez y curpa. cu urgencia past owing to being transporta for hospitaal for tratamento y his situation was extremely critico cu trauma earnest at cabez. informacionnan extra oficial acumula at the sitio of incidente, is show cu the young for one motibo or another owing to drink several pill together y after will owing to throw his curpa over of the balcon at of six floor y past owing to stay seriamente injury. cu ambulance owing to transporta the young for hospital caminda at once owing to go over for sitting-room of operacion in one attempt for scapa life of the young here.

Are they saying she jumped?  Fell?  Was pushed?  I am pretty sure they will try to say she did it to herself one way or another.  Already see the pill angle.

Well, Joran said Natalee only fell one story and it killed her but here is a woman who fell six and survived.  Sure makes Joran's latest story look evey more unlikely.

I think they're saying her brand new husband threw her off the balcony!   ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyNoNo::

I'm so glad she's alive, and I'm almost positive she was conscious so hopefully she told what happened.  I think one article said she was complaining of pain all over...so I hope she was also telling exactly what happened.

This is so sad!  What a horrible, horrible thing to have happen.  Even sadder on her honeymoon!

I have asked many times before but what is it about that place that causes normal people to start behaving in a totally erratic manner?  Time and again we see that with disastrous results.

I hope her family can get her out of there for treatment before something else can happen to her.

Such a tragedy and useless injury.  Prayers for her recovery and safe return to this country.

Remember once before there was a woman who supposedly fell over the balcony and the husband was not even quesitoned, just left.  Her family was outraged.  He said something like she had baby oil on for sunburn and he tried to catch her but she was too slippery?

Then he waited something like ten minutes before calling anybody for help?  But Aruba just ruled it an accident.  Guess he knew how to play the game.

I wonder if Dennis Jacobs is somewhere asking this man how much money does he have.

I know, to have survived the fall from six floors and now to be treated there...makes me very scared for her!  I hope some family members get there fast.

So many things have crossed my mind about this, one of them mirrors yours Anna.  Too many disasters!  ::MonkeyNoNo::

Another similar case also crossed my mind, where the husband was suspect...the wife died...he was never charged. 

I don`t mean to sound too insensitive, ladies...

I will try to put this as gently as I can.

...but it serves her dumb ass right.

Anybody who would still consider traveling to Aruba after what happened to Natalee...

we KNOW she was murdered... WE KNOW...

either they don`t have a soul, a brain, or BOTH.

Might as well just jump off a balcony.

I know what you mean Carpe.  They're probably New Yorkers.   ::MonkeyDevil::

Dr. Perper was on NG the other night - He said chances of death from falling from 2 Story building
are about 20%. She fell 3 times that amount. I`d be surprised if they save her. Pray for a miracle!

It seems like we never hear what happens after they go to the hospital anyway.   ::MonkeyNoNo::

I think that's the same one I was remembering Anna.   ::MonkeyNoNo::

I guess he could say he thought she was already dead when he threw her over the balcony and not have to even do the one month for attempted murder as applies if it is your grandmother?

That poor girl--I just hope her family can get her home ASAP!

That's what I am doing, Carpe, praying for a miracle.  And not just for this girl but Natalee as well that she will have justice because some days it seems that's all that will bring it for her.

And I understand that this girl should have known better but so many don't who have been there for years and go back often, etc. so this may have been her first time and she truly may not have known.  Many times I have people tell me they thought Joran was long since in jail.

And if the new hubs did this, something tells me he is the one who booked the trip.  Aruba is earning the rep for being the place to go if you want to off somebody for sure.  No real investigation and no real LE or judicial system.


Niters, Carpe, TxMom and any other night owls still awake.  Sad ending for today.

So true Anna, I agree. 

Yes it is a very sad ending for the day. 

Good night Anna, and Carpe!   ::MonkeyCool::

You can say that again! 

...night night Anna and texasmom. :smt006

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I am keeping you, your brother and those who love him in my prayers.

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Yes, thank you Klaas.  Wouldn't that be something?

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_69980.php

Google translation:

ARUBA

Tourist falls from sixth floor

March 16, 2010, 13:12 (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY - An American tourist (29) last night from her balcony on the sixth floor of the Westin Hotel down cases. She is listed in serious injuries to hospital. Her husband was taken by the police for questioning.

The circumstances of the incident is unclear. It is clear that both the woman and her husband found themselves under the influence of alcohol. The woman was still conscious after her fall. She had several injuries and bled profusely. An ambulance took the victim to the emergency Horacio Oduber Hospital where she allegedly was operated immediately. The drunken husband of the victim was taken to the police officers to explain the incident. Several media speculation that the woman but alcohol also would have taken drugs. Then, the woman jumped from the balcony. According to unofficial reports, the victim broke both wrists and both feet. She would have broken her hip and a severe concussion.

Earlier this month, guests of the Westin shocked by a suicide. A 38-year-old American tourist decided in his hotel room on the fifth floor of the hotel to end his life. He would have been depressed after a divorce with his partner.

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_69974.php

Google translation:

ARUBA

New English-language newspaper

March 16, 2010, 13:05 (GMT -04:00)

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The team of The Morning News on the picture during the opening of the newspaper.

ORANGE CITY - Aruba has a new English-language newspaper in morning. Monday morning saw the official opening of The Morning News. The Minister of Tourism, Labor & Transportation Otmar Oduber (AVP) cut the ceremonial ribbon through the new office in Caya Betico Croes.

After the demise of media company The News on October 30, 2009 decided a part of the staff, including Linda Rose Maduro, Dette Chan Richardson, and Ingrid Does Milton Jones, a newspaper to set up. Like The Daily News they want an English newspaper with issues that appeal to both tourists and residents. Under the new staff are also old friends, like Rosalie Klein, Yvonne Kromhout, Yanis Garcia, Shana Schwengle, Lydia Schwengle and Andrea Jones. Hector Marcelo Mercado Mercado of the SIS company is part of the online newspaper care.

The newspaper also reflected columnists. Thus, the American marketing guru Ken Varga regularly appear in the newspaper. Madi Kock, an Aruban resident and fifth generation, writes the weekly column Ban keiro. It goes into them at folk activities, traditions and traditional medicines.

"Aruba has a newspaper like The Morning News needed", said Oduber Minister at the opening. He thinks that there are many people who like reading about tourism and to keep abreast of the trends.

 

msmarple
Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
« Reply #146 on: October 06, 2006, 01:08:11 AM »

Mystery in paradise
By Mitchell Zuckoff, Globe Staff, 11/19/2000

ORANJESTAD, Aruba - The balconies at the Wyndham Aruba hotel are small and private. They have high steel railings that curve inward at the top, for safety.

After a day of sun and rum, Renee and Roy Tiano of Framingham went to their room on the hotel's 12th floor.

Married for four years, the parents of two small children, Renee and Roy left their bathing suits on the floor near the bathroom. It was a warm March night; a three-quarter moon rose in a clear Caribbean sky. They went naked onto the balcony.

Minutes later, without a sound, Renee went over the railing, falling 80 feet to her death on a ballroom roof.

A witness called the hotel operator. Ten minutes passed. Then Roy called the hotel operator.

Later that night, Roy told Aruban police that Renee had felt ill, so he left the balcony to get her a glass of water. He said he heard a noise, turned around, and she was gone.

Aruban police quickly ruled out suicide and declared Renee's death an accident, never revealing the basis for that finding.

Eight months later, Renee Kennedy Tiano's family remains tortured by questions, tormented by suspicion.

''I've got good reason to believe my brother-in-law's story isn't true,'' said her brother, Michael Kennedy of Hopkinton. ''It's either not true or not complete. I want the truth.''

Why, her family wonders, did Roy wait 10 minutes to seek help, and how did he spend that time? Why did police find no fingerprints on the railing? Why did Roy rush to get off the island, leaving Renee's body behind? Why did Roy refuse to allow an autopsy in Massachusetts? Why wouldn't he talk with the FBI? Were Aruban officials more concerned about tourism than justice?

In a brief telephone interview, Roy provided no answers. ''What do you mean you want to hear my side?'' he said. ''She fell off the [expletive] balcony. What more is there to it?'' Then he hung up the phone.

But there might well be more to it.

Unbeknownst to Renee's family, Aruban authorities and FBI agents who came to the island formed a disturbing theory about how she died.

It is a theory that does not answer all the questions. But it does challenge Roy's story about getting her a glass of water. Instead, it places him at the railing with Renee when she fell.

The theory is based on clues from none other than Renee herself - from her appearance in a hotel security video taken minutes before she fell and from telling marks on her body. It also fits an odd comment Roy made to one of Renee's brothers.

And yet, US and Aruban authorities have tried to bury the theory along with Renee. Despite pleas from family members for information, no official of either government has ever told them about their theory. The family first heard it from a Globe reporter.

Athlete, bodybuilder
 
Renee was 32, with a big smile and bright blue eyes. People who loved her say she was happy and outgoing. A family video taken two weeks before she died shows her turning cartwheels in the backyard of her parents' Dedham home.

She had asthma but was an athlete nonetheless, running track and starring on Dedham High School's field hockey team. After high school, Renee attended Mitchell Community College in New London, Conn., then Southeastern Massachusetts University.

She was working as an office manager at Mount Auburn Hospital in Cambridge when she met Roy.

It was 1993, and she was sharing a Waltham apartment with her cousin and best friend, Donna MacInnes. Renee had become a bodybuilder, sculpting her 5-foot-8-inch form at the World Gym in Waltham.

Roy, now 40, was a World Gym regular, too. Thickly muscled, 5-feet-9, a Waltham native, he ran his own plastering business.

''When they first met he gave her a lot of attention, fed her ego, said all the right things,'' MacInnes recalled. ''He was very affectionate towards her, almost to the point where it was inappropriate. She was embarrassed by him sometimes.''

Soon after they met, Roy made plans to open a gym in Florida. They moved to Fort Lauderdale with help from the oldest of Renee's three brothers, Edward Kennedy. He found it odd that their apartment was on an upper floor of a high-rise; Renee was afraid of heights, he said, and during his visit would not go out on the balcony.

The gym plan fizzled after several months and they returned to Massachusetts, to live in the basement of Renee's parents' home before buying a ranch-style house in Framingham. In September 1995, Renee's parents threw them a lavish wedding at Lombardo's in Randolph.

In February 1998, Renee gave birth to a son, Brandon; their daughter Katrena followed 181/2 months later. ''She was so happy,'' MacInnes said. ''She had her boy and her girl.''

Friends and family say the couple had problems typical of young families: financial pressures when Renee became a full-time mother, arguments over Roy's lack of involvement in child care, and Roy's displeasure at the weight Renee gained during pregnancy.

Last winter took a toll, though, as the whole family fell ill with pneumonia. By spring, Renee and Roy needed a vacation.

`One Happy Island'

In early March, Roy made plans for a three-night trip to Aruba, where 400,000 Americans flock each year for its 80-degree days, turquoise water, and self-proclaimed reputation as ''One Happy Island.'' Renee's parents eagerly agreed to care for the children.

They arrived on Thursday, March 23, and went quickly to the business of relaxing, dining, and drinking at the hotel's bars and restaurants. That first night they ran into one of Renee's closest friends, Sandra Parent, who has a time-share apartment on the island.

''She was her usual happy self,'' Parent recalled. ''She invited me to come meet her at the pool the next day. I said, `You want to be with your honey, and I don't want to be in the middle of two people kissing.' She blushed like a new bride.''

The next day, Roy and Renee had a breakfast buffet, then hit the beach.

''After that we visited several hotels,'' Roy said in his statement to police. ''The whole day we drank rum runners,'' a sweet yet potent mix of rum, blackberry brandy, and banana liqueur. In Roy's words, ''We became drunk.''

They walked a mile on the white sand of Aruba's Palm Beach, past surf shops and hawkers selling aloe vera. Then they returned to their hotel, stopping at the poolside Tambu Bar.

They ordered two rumrunners and four Heineken beers. Roy signed the tab with an illegible scrawl. Below Roy's signature, a waiter wrote in Dutch, ''Drunken man.'' The time stamped on the bill was 7:37 p.m.

En route to their room, Renee and Roy went to the hotel's lower lobby. A security video shows them in bathing suits, drinks in hand. Looking tired and spent, Renee sat heavily on a padded bench while waiting for the elevator.

When it arrived, Renee pressed the button for the 12th floor and the door closed.  She walked to the back corner and slumped to the floor in a sitting position. Her arms rested on her knees and her head drooped, face down, the security video shows.

Roy, wearing Speedo-style swim trunks, walked over to Renee and straddled her while she sat. He shook his hips and pressed his crotch against her downturned head. She made no response.

The doors opened and Roy walked out, but Renee remained slumped in the corner. When he realized she wasn't with him, he stopped the elevator doors from closing. After 10 seconds or so, she raised her head slightly and held up her right hand. Roy pulled her up and out to the hall. It was the last image of her alive. The video time-stamp reads 7:53 p.m.

From 8:08 to 8:18

Roy described Renee's last 15 minutes this way to Aruban police: ''We went to the room. When we arrived there we both got undressed. We went and sat on the balcony. On the balcony we started to caress each other.'' He said they did not have sex. Then, Roy said, Renee felt ill and he went to get her water.

They were in Room 1219. Seven floors directly below, in Room 519, was Thomas Dowden of louisiana. He saw Renee plummet.

''I was out on the balcony smoking a cigarette,'' Dowden recalled. ''All of a sudden it sounded like a full piece of luggage landed in front of me. It was like, `whomp!' No scream, no other sound. A whoosh of air.''

He looked down to the ballroom roof below his balcony and saw a naked body, face-down and motionless in a puddle of blood. He phoned for help. The hotel's call log shows it was 8:08 p.m.

Roy's call was logged at 8:18 p.m. He never mentioned a delay to police: ''I looked over the railing and saw her lying on the roof below. I called the receptionist and informed her.''

Roy spent several more minutes in their room, then went to the elevator, security videos show. When the doors opened, he saw people inside and pulled back to wait for an empty one. After several frustrating trips to the wrong floors in search of the ballroom roof, Roy punched the control panel of floor numbers and tore a phone off the wall.

Eventually he reached the correct floor. With no doorway to the roof, he threw a cast-iron bench through a window and climbed out. Dowden, watching from above, said Roy seemed deeply upset as he crouched by Renee's body. He cried out: ''What am I going to do?''

Left a day early
 
Summoned by hotel security, two Aruban police detectives secured the scene and, several hours later, took a statement from Roy. At the time, police were unaware of the 10-minute gap. They had not seen the video. They did not interrogate or detain him. He was agitated, so they sent him to Aruba's only hospital for psychiatric observation.

Roy returned to the hotel the next morning and called Renee's family and made plans to leave the island. It was a day before his scheduled return, and Renee's body was in the morgue.

Through their shock and grief, her brothers begged him to stay with her. He refused, trusting Renee's body to an Aruban mortician, Eugene Maduro, until her brothers could fly down.

''While I was in the [hotel] room he was on the phone with someone,'' Maduro said. ''I heard him say, `What am I going to do now with the damn kids?' That stayed with me. And he leaves without her?''

With little investigation, police allowed Roy to change flights and leave that day for Boston, effectively closing the case. ''It looked like it was an accident, and we couldn't prove that the other person had something to do with a crime,'' said prosecutor Elivia Lugo.

The next day, Renee's brothers Michael and John flew to Aruba to retrieve their sister's body. They began asking questions of hotel officials and authorities; they began to doubt Roy's story and the competence of the Aruban police.

They won help from Barbara Stephenson, the US consul general to Aruba. Troubled by what they told her, Stephenson arranged Aruban approval for an FBI evidence team to fly to the island later that week to work with Aruban authorities.

FBI officials have refused to comment about what they found. But both US and Aruban officials involved with the case said in interviews that evidence from the joint investigation suggested Roy's story was false.

From the outset, it seemed implausible that Renee had simply fallen over a 44-inch-high safety railing whose top bar would have nestled under her rib cage. No one had ever fallen over the railings; the only known balcony death at the Wyndham was a suicide several years ago. A new theory began to form.

Protecting the children
 
The first clues came from the Aruban medical examiner. All of Renee's injuries were consistent with a fall, except two: On her back and behind her right knee were scrapes that contained grit from the hotel's outer wall. The investigators concluded that she fell backward over the railing, from a sitting position, scraping her back and leg on the way down.

Then there was the elevator video, which suggested that both Roy and Renee were intoxicated and that Roy was focused on having sex. Those images fit with the waiter's note on their check that Roy was drunk and with witnesses who saw them dancing sensually at the Tambu Bar.

In fact, the medical examiner concluded that Renee had had intercourse in the hours before she died, and had a blood alcohol level of .196, more than twice Massachusetts' legal driving limit.

The evidence began adding up this way: Renee and Roy were together on the balcony, naked under the moonlight. Renee was seated on the rounded top bar of the railing, facing Roy. Roy held her on the railing as they had sex.

Then something awful happened: somehow, Roy lost his grip. Renee fell backward, scraping her legs and back, falling past one balcony then another, plunging past Dowden on the fifth floor, then slamming head-first into the balcony roof.

The investigators thought the 10-minute gap could be explained as time Roy needed to react to the shock of his wife's death. The theory also might explain why he was in a hurry to leave the island, why he refused her family's requests for a second autopsy in Massachusetts, and why he refused to speak with the FBI.

It might also explain a remark Renee's brother Edward said Roy made two days after she died. After telling Edward his drink-of-water story, Roy suddenly added: ''She had baby oil on.''

''I said, `What are you talking about?''' Edward recalled. ''He didn't answer. He started telling his story again.''

An Aruban government official said authorities refused to disclose their conclusions to the family in part to protect Renee's children.

''It's bad enough the kids don't have a mother,'' said Henry Baarh, Aruba's director of foreign affairs. ''But to not have a mother because she was having sex on the balcony with your father and she fell, well, that's another thing entirely.''

Renee's family reacted angrily when a Globe reporter told them the investigators' sex-on-the-balcony theory.

''How the hell do the FBI and the Aruban authorities get into the business of making up stories for people?'' said her brother Michael. ''What they should say is, `What you told us is not true. Now we have real problems with you as a person who was there at the time of this death. You have anything else to say?'''

Was she aware?
 
Although the investigators' theory fits key pieces of evidence, troubling questions remain.

Aruban authorities said they closed the case in part because both were drunk and seemed amorous at the bar, leading them to conclude that both participated in dangerous balcony sex.

Authorities from both countries acknowledged, however, that they would have pursued the case if they thought Renee had been unconscious, unwilling, or unable to get onto the railing on her own.

However, Roy was never asked those questions in Aruba. And when FBI agents went to his house in Framingham a week later, armed with a list of 52 questions, Roy turned them away. Among their questions, ''What was her state of consciousness? Was she awake?''

By refusing to cooperate, Roy also spared himself from being asked about evidence relating to those questions: Renee's drowsy appearance in the video, her fear of heights, and Dowden's recollection of a silent ''piece of luggage'' falling.

Mary Ames, a Boston lawyer hired by Renee's brothers, said Aruba's failure to aggressively pursue the case, including the questions of Renee's consciousness, reflects their concern about the country's tourism industry.

''The Aruban government is digging in their heels and insisting on the correctness of their position, and the American government seems powerless on their own to go down and conduct their own investigation,'' Ames said.

''We're caught in this crazy Catch-22,'' she added, ''without answers to find out what happened to this young mother, daughter, sister who went down for this four-day vacation and never came back.''

At the request of Renee's family, Senator John F. Kerry has pressed Aruba to reopen the investigation. In a letter to Aruban diplomats, the Massachusetts Democrat cited unanswered questions that ''intenstified when Mr. Tiano refused to cooperate with any further investigation of his wife's death.

''Mrs. Tiano's family is very concerned that troubling details about the case raise serious questions about the possibility of foul play and merit further investigation,'' Kerry's letter said.

But Aruban officials remain unmoved. ''We have already closed that case,'' insisted Lugo, the Aruban prosecutor.

In response to Kerry's request, Baarh, Aruba's director of foreign affairs, drafted a letter that says a new investigation would require new evidence and a formal request from the US Justice Department. Neither seems forthcoming.

The federal prosecutor in Boston handling the case said there are no grounds for the United States to investigate Renee's death further and no way to force Aruba to act. ''I have tried to rack my brain for ways to find jurisdiction, and I can't. We're not punting this without thought,'' he said, speaking on the condition of anonymity.

He acknowledged, however, that federal or state authorities could seek fraud charges on US soil if it were shown that Roy made ''material misrepresentations'' to collect life insurance. Lies by a beneficiary about the circumstances of an accidental death could meet that standard, the prosecutor said. But he declined to say whether he would pursue it.

On June 29, three months after Renee died, Roy collected $500,000 from her policy with New York Life Insurance Co. A company spokesman declined to comment about what claims Roy made about her death.

''Absent any court action or legal authority requiring our involvement, this matter is closed for us'' the insurance company spokesman said.

A headstone and a cross

In the eight months since Renee died, Roy has gone on raising their children in their Framingham home. He has traded in the family minivan for a Cadillac Seville.

He has never wavered from a line from his police statement: ''I don't know how my wife fell from the balcony.''

Renee's family, meanwhile, stews in frustration and pays regular visits to St. Joseph's Cemetery in West Roxbury.

Renee's grave has a red eternal light and a pink granite headstone surrounded by flowers. Her family asked Roy to include her maiden name on the stone, but it says only ''Tiano, Renee Charlene, 1967-2000.''

But someone has placed a small wooden cross at the base of the headstone, with a laminated photo of Renee and her name in white paint. Only her maiden name.

''We're not going to let it go,'' said Renee's brother Edward. ''If we have to go stand in front of travel agents or the Aruban embassy or whatever, we'll do it.''

This story ran on page A01 of the Boston Globe on 11/19/2000.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=188.msg58092

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Jean Akers should be fired for stupidity.  She should have had sense enough to send a card to congratulate
Joran on his release instead of showing up at the Van der Sloot house.  With the amount of press the
Natalee case was getting, there was no excuse for her not standing with the girl instead of celebrating the
release of her accused murderer. JMO

I hate to know that people that stupid are working for our State Department.

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 ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyMad::

http://arubanboycott.blogspot.com/2007/01/scubajap-has-been-called-out.html

Rosalie Klein


1. Rosalie Klein moved to Aruba in 1980 to be a Scuba Instructor
http://64.233.161.104/search?q=cache:SEG8w_pwy2kJ:solodipueblo.com/index.php%3Foption%3Dcom_docman%26task%3Ddoc_download%26gid%3D527%26Itemid%3D2+%22rosalie+klein%22+aruba&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=19

2. Rosalie is a "she" and a mother
3. Rosalie Klein is an American
4. Rosalie Klein is Jewish
5. Rosalie Klein has two children
6. Rosalie Klein is a reporter for Aruba News and freelances
7. Rosalie Klein has traveled extensively
8. Rosalie Klein has lived in Aruba over 25 years, and has ties to the Scuba diving industry
9. Rosalie Klein was 34 when she had her daughter
10. Rosalie Klein lived in New York in the 70’s
11. Rosalie Klein has a brother who is engaged
12. Rosalie Klein has a married sister
13. Rosalie Klein paints on silk
14. Rosalie Klein attended University in Ohio



Does Rosalie Klein get paid to spread filth about Natalee and her family? Or is it "just personal"? Perhaps it is simply another Aruba lover focusing attention away from any possibility of a crime. She describes her intentions best, with the following post:



Of course, now it would appear I am in the middle of a real, life drama, with some real evil to battle. Perhaps that is why I feel compelled to take up arms in this propaganda war...

Posted by: scubajap Sun Jan 15th, 2006 01:42 pm
http://freedomofblog.com/view_topic.php?id=36&forum_id=39&jump_to=873#p873



TELL US, Rosalie, how you feel about Natalee's mother. Please throw in some speculation as well, to fuel the internet rumors...



Everything is he said this and he said that or “Beth said so and so said this” and though I have complete sympathy for the women, it has also been proven her statements aren’t always reliable.

Posted by: scubajap | Thursday, August 04, 2005 at 01:22 AM
http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/2005/08/warrant_issued_.html#comments



I am also American and a mother-so don't tell me I don't "feel" for Beth. I have always been sympathetic, but why does she have to lie constantly, even about little things like this? So it really makes one wonder, if she feels impelled to lie about these little things, what else is she lying about, and why?

Posted by: scubajap | Sunday, November 06, 2005 at 06:06 PM
http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/2005/11/beth_twitty_las.html



If the Twittys hadn't kept on pushing...

Posted by: scubajap | Monday, December 05, 2005 at 09:25 PM
http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/2005/12/natalee_hollowa.html



Bizarre indeed, as is just about everything about this case, including the behavior of the family. There are a number of other points that bear examination, but there have been roadblocks set up by the family constantly along the way............

Posted by: Scubajap | Monday, December 05, 2005 at 10:48 PM
http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/2005/12/natalee_hollowa.html



I am sorry, I had lots of sympathy for Beth, I am a mother, and I felt for her, but what she is doing, and the people she will hurt by it is an evil thing, I don't care how you try to justify it, it is WRONG.....REally, do you think 1000 of those children are worth on Natalee?

Posted by: scubajap | Monday, December 05, 2005 at 11:26 PM
http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/2005/12/natalee_hollowa.html



Aside from that, I have found out all these things, the lying, the shoving, long, long ago, and then in the light of that, to see what they are doing, and the people the Twittys associate themselves with and how can I find their actions defendable?....................

Posted by: scubajap | Monday, December 05, 2005 at 11:51 PM
http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/2005/12/natalee_hollowa.html



Do you all ever feel like we're in a huge, scripted sinister soap opera? From the time Betty & crooks moved Faux News into Aruba with hours of the disappearance to the VDS' being foolish enough to travel to NYC seems like a hell of a lot of coincidences.

Posted by scubajap: Fri Feb 17th, 2006 05:38 pm
http://freedomofblog.com/view_topic.php?id=248&forum_id=29&jump_to=4332#p4332



People are assuming that simply because Dave is an insurance man he had a policy on his daughter's life? sorry, I would like a bit more proof than that. Of course, who needs insurance, when you have book and movie deals? Just a thought.

Posted by: scubajap Sun Jan 15th, 2006 12:33 am
http://freedomofblog.com/view_topic.php?id=26&forum_id=29&jump_to=849#p849



Actually, the interesting aspect of the fact that the guard had the items is simply that they NEVER were reported stolen. There is some speculation that the kids might have traded them for, well, who knows what. If he had anything of Natalee's, as far as I know, it has not been identified as such.

Posted by: scubajap Fri Jan 20th, 2006 11:37 am
http://freedomofblog.com/view_topic.php?id=78&forum_id=29&jump_to=1320#p1320



I can only speculate on what I have heard, and that he is someone from the coast guard stationed out of Curacao, and was here for the night, Natalee's first or second night, and then went back to Curacao. this is from people that know him. Supposedly, he was interviewed by police, I have been told. Just a bit of seculation on my part.

Posted by: scubajap Sun Jan 22nd, 2006 11:22 am
http://freedomofblog.com/view_topic.php?id=78&forum_id=29&jump_to=1432#p1432



I personally did not feel it was important as to what the fluid was, as to whose DNA it belongs to, that is another matter. If not Jug's or J2K, then whose? Does this bring someone else into the room with Natalee? someone she was kissing? just kind of an interesting loose end left hanging there, and until identified, how significant is it?

Posted by: scubajap Sun Jan 22nd, 2006 06:45 pm
http://freedomofblog.com/view_topic.php?id=78&forum_id=29&jump_to=1446#p1446



I think a great deal will be accomplished by interviewing the people from MB....For one thing, I would like to see them question Natalee's roommates very carefully about all thier movements that night and get a time reference as to their comings and going from their room....There are a lot of other pressing questions, IMHO, which can only be answered by talking to those kids....I have a list of questions I would like to see them ask those kids, I sincerely hope they ask them.

Posted by: scubajap Mon Jan 23rd, 2006 11:14 am
http://freedomofblog.com/view_topic.php?id=78&forum_id=29&jump_to=1527#p1527

  ::monkeydust:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

http://www.videoaruba.com/videos.html?task=videodirectlink&id=1022

That pic of IT in drag... really is a kick in the stones. Cracks me up everytime!!!! ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeySlide::

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

The Dana Pretzer Show On Scared Monkeys Radio – Tuesday, March 16th, 2010 – Special Guests: Rusty Shakelford from the Jawa Report, Diane Dimond, ET Correspondent & Blink from Blink on Crime


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Tonight Dana welcomes special guests:


    * Rusty Shakelford, one of the the most preeminent bloggers from the anti-terrorism web site The Jawa Report will be discussing terrorism. He will be discussing the recent terror plots and arrests of Jihad Jane and Jihad Jamie.  Rusty will be discussing all things terrorism and jihad. Don’t miss this interview, it will be a special treat. SM would like to thank the Jawa Report’s efforts to combat terrorism and helping keep us safe.


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LISTEN TONIGHT LIVE AT 9 PM ET

Here are a few of the comments from:

http://www.boletinextra.com/index.php/component/content/article/31-local/675-dama-ta-tira-curpa-for-di-piso-halto-na-westin-hotel



About the girl tourist who fell 6 stories at the Westin Hotel in Aruba last night.

In 100 days... KLM and Carnival cruise lines will be back servicing the island...

Dead Mericanos, no problem esey!!!! Bury 'em and get on with the show, dude.




berde manera yuwana 2010-03-16 17:25

now do not spectacles of tree only they have dress but they have mind of tree also. what the guy cu is draw mustachi black cabey black owing to make just net nothing, in 100 day, klm tey back carnival cruise will come back y bbo owing to descend, valero is back in picture. dus we owing to throw 8 anja afor cu one gobierno catastrophic, let avp learn you what is advance.


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BUCHI 2010-03-16 07:13

@increibel come across, what reaction childish of you part come across, what gobierno have of haber cu one caso regrettable so come across, my wanted look at do you reaction if is minister of mep owing to make the come work of promote aruba at America...nooo the hour ey if do you will is gag cu the pluma ey...door cu is avp come across, have cu critica again!! always algo for mepistanan come across!!!bosnan do not change never!


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 increibel 2010-03-15 23:49

wel wel shonan is esey the are of carnaval owing to go propaganda at america.
pa tourist come kill body at aruba. the gobierno here is haye for door y window.

Thanks Carpe.

Do the internet Beth-hater learn from each other or does the ATA/AHATA offer a course that teaches how to distract from the truth by blaming the victims.  In reality they all know darn well that it was not Beth who has hurt the Island's economy.  The blame should be directed at those involved in the happenings encompassing the morning of May 30, 2005 and ... it is those who are participants in the ensuring cover up which has prevented justice from prevailing for Natalee Holloway.

Janet

++++++

GBMW
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #750 5/2 -
« Reply #753 on: May 07, 2008, 03:54:26 PM »

But I don't think Paulus was around the moment when something happened to Natalee ....I believe Joran was around though. What did Paulus do that night according to you that would implicate him so much? You don't think he would have protected Joran no matter if he (Paulus) was involved or not?

Paulus has helped Joran to protect him from the legal consequences....yes. And because of this Paulus & Joran will be protected....Joran for his actions that night & Paulus for his actions after that night....since Paulus has got info on other people they will never allow for the complete truth ever to come out of what happened that night and how they tried to cover everything up. That's how I look at it at the moment....

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2819.msg379756#msg379756


GBMW
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #750 5/2 -
« Reply #264 on: May 05, 2008, 11:42:15 AM »

I'm also not that convinced about the involvement of the Kalpoe Brothers or the huge cover up as most SM posters are. Neither do I believe that Peter, Joran & Patrick worked together...that the confessions how was a cover up...and I'm not for a boycott.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2819.msg378915#msg378915


GBMW
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
« Reply #821 on: June 18, 2008, 05:28:07 PM »

I don't think the Dutch & Aruban officials are that corrupt.....I do believe they are doing the best they can. Of course not all of them...dishonest people are everywhere.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2918.msg390863#msg390863


GBMW
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
« Reply #815 on: May 15, 2008, 10:01:20 AM »

Beth hasn't been an angel in this case....100% understandable and I don't blame her...but it doesn't mean innocent people didn't get hurt enormously because of her.

I'm getting the feeling I'll have to go to RU and give a big fat apology for defending this forum.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2830.msg381577#msg381577


GBMW
Re: THE KALPOE'S INVOLVEMENT
« Reply #126 on: June 19, 2008, 12:05:48 AM »

Kick Charlierat in his nuts? Sorry...I like him so your thanks is a bit premature.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2823.msg391009#msg391009


GBMW
Re: THE KALPOE'S INVOLVEMENT
« Reply #128 on: June 19, 2008, 12:57:23 PM »

Why would I dislike him (Charlierat)? I don't know him that well and I don't always agree with his posts or the way he posts but he's been nothing but kind to me.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2823.msg391175#msg391175

I`m studying up on Papiamento...

Came across this phrase and thought it would be great for everyone to know!


don't touch me there!

no mishi kumi eynan! :smt064

Is "scubajap" a dive term?  I get the scuba part, but have often wondered about the "jap".  That picture made me wonder about it again.  TIA

Thanks Carpe!   ::MonkeyJnBox::

But you should have also noted that those words are irrelevant if you are under the influence of alcohol, or any number of other ludicrous reasons.  In the only places I know of where that Papiamento term would be understood, being a bit tipsy entitles them to do anything they want to you regardless of how you feel or what you say about it.  And if it is decided that you will be touched, they'll come up with something that justifies it whether it's true or not!  come across

This will really make you want to projectile barf... when you read this... and then stare at her picture again. ::MonkeyHaHa::

scuba
jap jewish american princess

I hadn't read it before, but I think that article mentions police dealing with this couple in one of the nightclubs prior to this too.

Papiamentu translation:

lady is throw curpa for of floor high at westin hotel

tuesday, 16 march 2010 01:05

written by news updater 4 comments

monday for 11:10 night is enter informe of one tourist will have to owing to cai for of balcon for of floor nr 6 y the is gravemente injury. caminda here the parehanan owing to come for of merca for follow party of they matrimonio. of trip unidadnan of police y ambulance owing to present at the sitio y security owing to cuminsa diriginan at the sitio where the lady is throw downstairs cual the was in camber cu his casa y was some below ; influencia of alcohol y at dadomomento for descuidou the lady here owing to cai for of balcon y owing to ricibi enough slanan at his curpa y is enough important cu sumo urgencia personalnan of ambulance owing to transporte for hospital. the lady mericano owing to break his police y his heup. polisnan do not confia the caso here owing to is go cuminsa ask about the casa the motibo con the caso here owing to sosode, but cual cu for of oranan of some more trempan police have to owing to go atende the parehanan here at one nightclub at north cual cu they had problem of trempan end cu another y now will go look at if the caso here is intencionalmente

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: Thanks Carpe, yep that is truly sickening even without looking at the picture again.  I think that's another one of those things I knew at one time, but had forgotten.

Now is Scuba Jap the mother of MF? (media freak)

Dunno Magnolia... but that`s her daughter right next to her in the pic.

I think Iquitos confirmed that at one time.  She is also the one who bought the Gottenbos' boat, I think.
Hateful woman!  I can see why she is jealous of Beth.

It seems like I remember reading that before Magnolia, but it's another one of those things I'm not sure about now.

I was thinking this one maybe?

They look like the same girl to me.  But I am not good at comparing faces. ::MonkeyWink::

Has the bottom picture been photoshopped or is that her shape? ::MonkeyHaHa::

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

So is this not Scubajap/Rosalie Klein or is it just an old photo?

This is from Facebook:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/RosalieKlein.jpg)

was she 12  ::MonkeyHaHa::

I think you are right, San.  It was her bas mitzvah.  Hence the bib.

 ::MonkeyJnBox::

That must have been before:

SOMETHING BAD HAPPENED!!!!!

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

I just enlarged and put the box around it.   ::MonkeyAngel::

 ::MonkeyDevil::

Could that something bad that happened be. . . .ARUBA???


 ::MonkeyHaHa::

(http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w214/iliketoN0KTEM/FFFFDFD.png)


Boy, Ruba can be hard on a sister`s constitution!

The contrast, just stunning.

She's living proof!   ::MonkeyJnBox::

Yep, something makes them all look 20 years older than they should.  Not even surgery helped Renfro!

This one looks 75 if she is a day.

(http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w214/iliketoN0KTEM/jjj-1.jpg)

 ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDevil::

It looks like this foundation is Dutch.........


Here the projects of the Thai Child Development Foundation started and Runs 'N Roses decided to build some bungalows, a house with guest rooms and a honey moon suite for guests on this property.
The combination of the foundation and the guesthouse gives guests visiting the eco-tourism project the opportunity learn more about the Thai Child Development Foundation too. All the profit generated by renting out the accommodation will be used to support Thai Child Development Foundation financially.

http://www.runsnroses.com/accomodation/index.htm
----------------------------
 
The Thai Child Development Foundation is aThai/Dutch initiative set up in 2004.The Thai Child Development Foundation (TCDF) supports children in their development and is active in the mountains of Phato, Chumpon province, Thailand. The most important aspects about TCDF are: small scale, customized support, personal attention and recapitalizing what is there allready. The work of TCDF can be divided in two branches: Social and Educational. Next to that there is a Supporting Roots Program.
 

snip


Rose Tieges (Founder Thai Child Development Foundation)


http://www.thaichilddevelopment.org/
 
--------------------------------------------
ROSE
This Dutch lady is the brain, the plan maker, the creative mind of our organization. Do you like the way the bungalows and rooms are decorated, the atmosphere, the beauty and the diversity of the place? She is the one responsible for all of that creativity.

But most of all Rose is the founder of the Thai Child Development Foundation. Runs 'N Roses is set up to support this foundation financially.

Rose spends most of her time working on the social projects of the Thai Child Development Foundation, but you will meet her at Runs 'N Roses too!

http://www.runsnroses.com/people/index.htm

I hadn't heard that, but your memory appears to be excellent Mag -and so I don't doubt you.

One other thing about "MF", he/she was at C&C's the night Natalee was taken.

Good Morning Cageman.

http://www.boletinextra.com/index.php/picture-gallery


tito lacle - rain nightclub - 3.15.2010

(http://www.boletinextra.com/index.php?option=com_joomgallery&func=watermark&catid=13&id=1104&Itemid=122)

steve croes - Diarazon Trip

(http://www.boletinextra.com/index.php?option=com_joomgallery&func=watermark&catid=10&id=752&Itemid=122)

http://www.awe24.com/?main&id=2941&offId=0

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub8/TigerSharkAruba.jpg)

DESPUES DI MAS DI 3 ORA TA LUCHA RUMANNAN MARTIS A CAPTURA UN TIGER SHARK DI 3 METER LARGO

Diaranzon 2'or di madruga e rumannan Martis a sali bay pisca riba nan boto di 23 pia, anto banda di 4'or mas o menos 5 miya pazuid di airport nan a topa cu un tiger shark cu a morde nan anzue. Mesora nan a inicia cu nan lucha y a logra gare despues di 3 ora domine y a cuminsa trese tera getow na banda.

Through translator:

after of more of 3 hour is struggle rumannan martis owing to captura one tiger shark of 3 metre largo

diaranzon 2'or of madruga the rumannan martis owing to leave bay pisca on they boat of 23 leg, then near of 4'or more or less 5 mile pazuid of airport they owing to come across cu one tiger shark cu owing to bite they anzue. at once they owing to inicia cu they struggle y owing to succeed gare after of 3 hour domine y owing to cuminsa bring ground getow at near.

(http://www.coolaruba.com/index.php?option=com_joomgallery&func=watermark&catid=24&id=1070&Itemid=45)

 ::monkeydust::

:safe: :safe: :safe:

Snoopy - I'm so sorry to hear of the most recent news regarding Royce.  Hugs and prayers...

(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a335/my_photos_/Three-Koalas--C11762396.jpg)

http://www.24ora.com/component/option,com_joomgallery/func,detail/id,1404/Itemid,63/

(http://www.24ora.com/index.php?option=com_joomgallery&func=watermark&catid=25&id=1404&Itemid=63)

Do we know this person or does it just work for the modeling agency?

He is RONCHI de CUBA (sp)  and he does have the modeling agencies and stuff in Aruba.

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?v=info&gid=151642540392

All his sites:

    http://www.arubamodelsearch.com
    http://www.komamodels.com
    http://www.trashbyronchi.com

http://jdvision.blogspot.com/2008/06/ronchi-de-cuba.html

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Popped by Ronchi's store called Trash and checked out his clothing line, which I loved. His designs are very Carolina Herrera meets South Beach with a little J.Lo  by Oscar de La Renta. I told him if he opened a shop on Lincoln Road he'd make a killing. He's a big love-able, hysterical queen and I fell in love with him instantly.
(snipped)

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Thanks Klaas!  I guess he is the one who made all of those pimps think they were models. ::MonkeyShocked::

I apologize to Carpe, did not mean to get into your post.

It's "Pat"!

Looks kind of like Anita's better looking sister.

 ::MonkeyDevil::   ::MonkeyHaHa::

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Those pages get looked at a LOT by Aruba. 

Tito has some new radio program now in Aruba.  Not sure how it's doing.

Here it is..  ::MonkeyDevil::

http://www.papiacla.com/

Looks like his website needs some work  ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

http://www.facebook.com/#!/group.php?gid=106647769250&ref=search&sid=1570897983.3757642260..1

http://articles.lancasteronline.com/local/4/249987

Couple finds 'skeleton' in Aruba picture

Patti Muldowney was busy snapping pictures of colorful fish during her snorkeling dive off the coast of Aruba last fall. She didn't notice what else was on the sea floor.

"We only discovered it after we got the film developed," the 62-year-old Rapho Township woman said.

Flipping through the prints in December, the Muldowneys realized Patti had photographed more than just underwater scenery.

One picture appears to show a human skeleton.

"You can see a fish. You can see some rocks. And then you can see this body lying on its back, facing up," said her husband, John Muldowney.

They showed friends. They showed the local police.

All agreed: It looks like human bones.

"I showed my doctor," John Muldowney said. "He said it looks like it's weighted down with some rocks."

Skeleton. Aruba. Could it be? The Muldowneys wonder.

•••

The Muldowneys forwarded copies of the photo — which they had enlarged — to the FBI field office in Philadelphia, but investigators won't say what, if anything, they're doing with it.

John Muldowney has a gut feeling the skeleton could be that of Natalee Holloway, the 18-year-old Alabama honors student whose mysterious disappearance in Aruba in May 2005 continues to make international headlines.

"It just seems so strange that that girl never showed up, and here we are right off the shoreline, right where she disappeared, and there's a body lying there," said John Muldowney, 78, a retired propane inspector with the state Department of Labor and Industry and owner of the Pinch Pond Family Campground.

"I hate to say I wish it was her, but it would give that family some closure."

Muldowney said he contacted this newspaper about the photo because he was getting nowhere with the FBI.

"I've called Quantico" — the agency's training academy in Virginia — "so much the receptionist said, 'We've got to stop meeting like this,' " he said.

The FBI in Philadelphia sent the picture to its senior investigators who work in the Caribbean.

"We did receive that photo, and it was sent to the lead agent down in Miami who handles that area in the Caribbean," said Special Agent Frank Burton Jr., a spokesman for the FBI's field office in Philadelphia.

It is unclear what happened to the photo after that. The FBI in Miami said it has no record of getting it, and neither does the agency's legal attaché in Barbados, which has jurisdiction over Aruba.

•••

Holloway was last seen on May 30, 2005, during her high school's graduation trip to the Dutch Caribbean island. Her classmates reported seeing her leave the Carlos 'n Charlie's in the capital city of Oranjestad.

The case remains unsolved, though a man once suspected of involvement in Holloway's disappearance has recently claimed to have disposed of her body.

Joran van der Sloot, 22, said in an interview with RTL Nieuws that Holloway accidentally fell from a balcony and he disposed of her body in a swamp. He previously told an undercover reporter that she died unexpectedly while they were kissing and he dumped her body in the ocean.

Aruban prosecutors say they lack evidence to charge Van der Sloot.

Holloway's family has offered a reward of $250,000 for help solving her disappearance. It has also offered a $1 million reward for information leading to her safe return.

Since her disappearance nearly five years ago, tourists have reported finding skeletal remains on the island. Tests have shown them be those of shipwrecked sailors, however.

•••

The Muldowneys were on a seven-day cruise aboard Royal Caribbean's Adventure Of The Seas, whose first port was Oranjestad.

They and another couple from Lititz had taken a catamaran out to a snorkeling site. "It was far enough out that we couldn't see land," remembers family friend Ken Dimm.

The couples remember the site was near a shipwreck, though which one of the numerous wrecks off the western coast of Aruba is unclear. The most popular snorkeling and scuba site there is near the Antilla, a German freighter that was scuttled in World War II.

Patti Muldowney went snorkeling with the Dimms while her husband stayed above on a catamaran. She had purchased a disposable camera and was taking pictures from just under the water's surface.

"It was kind of hard, my first time taking pictures. You can see a little bit of the wreckage, so I saw it down there and snapped it," said Patti Muldowney, who works in the billing department at Luther Acres.

Only two months later, in December, did she realize there was more to that picture.

Evette Dimm noticed it first.

"She looks at the one picture, and you can see a fish in it," remembers John Muldowney. "Then she says, 'God, that looks like a skeleton or a corpse.' "

Patti Muldowney wonders whether the skeleton is that of Holloway.

"The thing is, they haven't found her yet," she said. "So, for the parents' sake, I would hope that this picture does help.

"But we have not heard anything. I hope they do look into it. It would be good if the parents have finality."

tmurse@lnpnews.com

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Klaas ... there was a time when Tito Lacle appeared not to be a participant in the misinformation campaign to distance Joran van der Sloot from implication in the happenings encompassing the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.

Janet

++++++

Kalpoe Brothers Re-Arrested
Tuesday, August 30, 2005
 
GRETA VAN SUSTEREN, HOST: Tito, last night we had on the new lawyer for Natalee Holloway's family, who said that a young woman came to her office and said that she had been sexually assaulted by Joran. Are there other women or young women who have come forward? I mean, there seems to be a lot of people are talking a lot about it, but do you know specifically if this is fact?

TITO LACLE, ARUBA TODAY: This is fact, Greta. The lawyer for Joran van der Sloot did confirm yesterday that not one but several people had been interrogated, or he confirmed my story that I heard from my sources, and he confirmed that many people had come forward. He did not give a specific number. He did mention the States and Aruba, that this has happened, and based on that information, that they put this accusation on Joran van der Sloot yesterday.

VAN SUSTEREN: So there are women here in the United States who are also making that allegation against Joran?

LACLE: That is what we were told, Greta.
 
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,167372,00.html

Greyscale and adjusted the brightness and contrast:

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 ::MonkeyShocked::

Ditto Janet  ::MonkeyShocked::

That is real spooky looking, but I think what appears to be bones in the fish trap are more
believable.  It is the right area, however.

Magnolia - I agree but I do hope they check this out.

I agree as long as "they" are not the Arubans.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Janet

When I read the part about the FBI in Barbados, I thought of Eric Williams and sorta lost heart.

Just catching up and this is interesting...
First thing that comes to mind after reading:
"We did receive that photo, and it was sent to the lead agent down in Miami who handles that area in the Caribbean,"
Eric Williams...... ::MonkeyShocked::

It also looks like the body of a sea snake going away from the head down to and past the lower right corner of the pic.......

I totally agree with you on that, Janet. Arubans have proven to be as trustworthy
as Joran the rapist. They will always continue to lie and destroy everything they can
get their paws on. The other day, I was reading through some posts from 2005. It
was only within three to four weeks that Natalee went missing. (was murdered)

The poster`s name was Robin.

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2005/06/05/from-fox-news-breaking/


Robin on June 21st, 2005 12:21 am

Why was she left alone anyway with 3strangers? Where were her classmates? Just hire a psychic and call it a nite..this is one mystery that will probably go unsolved forever???

...and that was, and remains until this day, an Aruban`s attitude towards
their Mericano "FRIENDS?"

They could care less. They are equal to Joran and the Kalpoes.

"Maybe the b**ch will turn up in a few days, see you at Senor Frog's tonight???

Their attitude sucks, and anybody who would still consider going to Aruba would
benefit quite a lot I think from a robust punch in the face.

I think their own actions and words are the best thing to use against them.

They murdered the island by their own doing - blaming Natalee has always been
a crutch.

Or maybe a cable? Rope?

I agree Magnolia. 

But we are talking about Aruba here, maybe they put the remains back out there to be rediscovered to cover-up what they did/didn't do two years ago.

 ::MonkeyRoll:: ::MonkeyNoNo::

Good Night Good Monkeys....
Each day that passes puts Natalee and her family one day closer to Justice for Natalee.....
It is just around the corner...... ::MonkeyAngel::

ERIC WILLIAMS

private eye
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #716 1/29 -
« Reply #123 on: January 30, 2008, 04:30:29 PM »
 
When I called the Monday when Beth was first notified that Natalee was missing, I called 3 FBI locations, Wahington DC, and then a neighboring island, I can't spell it but it was Car? where we have a US office. This was about 1:00PM Monday or so, and one of those offices explained that we had no presence in Aruba, but that we happened to have a US agent there of some kind, I really can't remember the exact type, but that they would contact him, advise him of the situation, I told them that a chaperone was still there, and they assured me he would be ables to assist Beth. This was before Beth even got to Birmingham, she was outside of Memphis.

That is why I have always thought this guy was legit, because I expected him to be there. To be honest, I didn't talk to Beth personally before she got to Aruba, I was left a message with my family, and I didn't talk to her for some time after she got to Aruba.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2548.msg334092;topicseen#msg334092


Loving Natalee – Beth Holloway

Page 32:  No one says much at all on the four-hour flight. Continuing to make calls for information as long as I can get cell service in the air. I talk again to the coach. He says he may have found a U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) agent who can help us, but is having trouble connecting with the police on the island. He's having a hard time getting past the beach patrol and getting to the "right authorities." Then we lose contact.

Page 38:  We arrive at the Holiday Inn, get of the vaan, and go inside the open-air lobby of the hotel.  The coach and DEA agent are to our left, and we turn to walk toward them.

I go straight to the DEA agent and begin telling him what we know.

Page 40:  All of us are dumbfounded by this blasé attitude. No one would direct the coach to island police authorities or give him any helpful information. So he kept vigil in the lobby. He was at a complete loss until the U.S. DEA agent surfaced on the island.

Page 41:   The DEA agent asks for Natalee's cell phone and passport. I don't want to reach into her bag, but I don't want anyone else to touch it either. A little carry-on purse is attached to the side of it. Inside are her passport, cell phone, and some cash right on the top. I remove them and zip the purse back. The agent looks at Natalee's things a few moments, then gives them back to me. I return Natalee's things to her little purse as I walk back to the hotel room to leave her bag there.

Seeing her passport is a sign of hope. At least she hasn't left the island. She's here somewhere. We can find her. When I return to the lobby the DEA agent suggest we go to Carlos 'n Charlie's to as questions and show her picture around. So we load up and head back to the shipyard area.

Page 42:  Making their way inside the bar (Carlos ’n Charlies) the men dodge a couple of fistfights and dope-smoking patrons to try to find someone with information. They don't learn anything, so we all load up again and drive to a nearby gas station, where the DEA agent wants to introduce us to someone associated with the island cell-phone company to help us get phones and set up communications among our group.

Page 47:  We are instructed to go back to the van der Sloot residence, where Joran is now waiting. ... The Aruban police, Paulus, Jug, Jodi, Mat, Ruffner, the coach, and I wait for the DEA agent to arrive. The DEA agent tells everyone to remain in their vehicles until he gets there. And suggests that the women not get out of their cars at all. Jodi stays in the van, and I stay in the rental car, on the phone with Natalee's friends.

Page 48:  The DEA agent arrives, and all the men gather in a circle in the dirt and gravel driveway area under a streetlight in front of the van der Sloot home.

Page 55:  Last night's meeting with the DEA agent would be the last time we would see him. I was told he was just on the island "on vacation," but considering his line of work, I have to wonder about that. Even wonder if the name he gave us was really his. None of that matters. I'm just thankful he was here when he was to help us get the ball rolling by directing us to go to Carlos 'n Charlie's, and helping us with the encounter in the van der Sloot front yard. But now we're alone, politically and law enforcement-wise. Even though we've met Homeland Security and DEA representatives, there‘s nothing they can do for us. There's no U.S. consular office here. No State Department representative. No FBI agent. We're on our own.


Charles Croes  - On the Record w/ Greta - June 30, 2005

CHARLES CROES: A major friend of mine called me up. He was working with Natalee's mom to help them find Natalee.

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN, HOST: Why would he call you? What is your occupation that would be a reason he would call you?

C. CROES: Well, I have a sail (cell) rental company. And there was apparently a phone call made. And he was calling me betting or hoping that the phone call was made from one of our phones, and so that's why he called me.

VAN SUSTEREN: About what time did he call you?

C. CROES: He called me at 11:30.

VAN SUSTEREN: What did he say to you?

C. CROES: He told me that he needed my help. And I asked him what it was about. And he told me that it had to do something with a cell phone. And I didn't relate it to anything but work at that point.

C. CROES: ,,, And then he said, "There is a possibility that a phone call was made using one of our phones." And I said, "OK." And he said, "It's very, very important." I said, "Fine," and I asked him to go into further details, and he did. And then I made arrangements to go see him.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,161233,00.html


ldstlou
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #715 1/25 - 1/29/08
« Reply #925 on: January 29, 2008, 10:48:55 AM »

2)Do you know who called in Charles Croes that first night?

Jug: Eric Williams

3)Could it have been the DEA agent?

Jug: yes

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2539.msg333731#msg333731


Beth Twitty - 'The Abrams Report' - October 12, 2005

BETH TWITTY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY’S MOTHER: The DEA witness, Eric Williams, was not given—was not—did not give a statement regarding the incident that occurred May 31 where Joran is again, admitting these sexual assaults committed against Natalee.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9679791/

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That`s where they need to bury this worthless loser prick. Under a rock.

My position regarding Kyle Kingsman's own words has not change ... my position regarding the contents of the trap/cage which was turn over to the Aruban enemy unchallenged by the Persistence' project lead.

However ... I concede the article and the images of what appears to be a skeleton did cause me to waver a little.  I just wish all this information had been turned over to Beth Holloway for her consideration.

Good Night All.

Janet
11:00 PM PT

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Always remember: center body mass, if you are on "the fly"


...but if you have the luxury of time... that's a good place.

They say bad things come in threes, so follow through on that.

It is called "conviction."

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Good Night Janet..Carpe.......
Truth always finds a WAY to rise to the surface....and I truly believe we are all parts of that WAY...

Good night and sleep tight, billb!

and I truly believe we are all parts of that WAY...


Yup, me too.

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Truth always finds a WAY to rise to the surface....and I truly believe we are all parts of that WAY...
To be clear...I do mean ALL Good Monkeys as parts of the WAY.....
Just because some weren't logged on doesn't mean I am slighting anyone.....::MonkeyAngel::

Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway

Page 194:  It's quiet in the room when i add, 'Oh, come on. Everyone knows there was a cover-up.' And to this, Jorge Pesquera, president and CEO of the Aruba Hotel and Tourism Association, shrugs his shoulders, nods in the affirmative, and says softly, 'Yes...yes there was'."

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This was the false flag op that sent everyone at once to Arashi Rocks
on June 10... with the Natalee dead body story. What were they using
to paint those rocks? Certainly was entertaining, which was probably
their primary objective.

They start out with a white as snow paint mix... minutes in to the movie
you can see one man's brush has now become soaked with red.

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Some women just get better with age, and I do believe Greta is one of them.


Maybe one day, she will feel INCLINED to put on a sun dress and some high-heel pumps?

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Greta is HAWT!!!!

 ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyDance::  Thanks TxMom!  You grabbed that one just for me, didn't ya?  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Possible human skeleton found, near the Antilla wreck.

Two possibilities we know of - Natalee, and Bud Larson.

TxMom - you posted precisely my first thought about relocating remains.

I was thinking that as well.  ::MonkeyNoNo::

Seems Joran may be settling in for the long haul on Aruba


Joran Van Der Sloot

Wazup why don't you hit me up anymore I got that money back from Ice's top hat by the way, when you go back home get a connecting flight to Bangkok and stop in Aruba were going crazy ;) im about to start sending post packages your way lol. Peace dude say hi to everyone for me.
Yesterday at 1:39pm



Kirk Atkinson

how long u gonna be over that way my dude, i got them haters over here jockin me hard.. i sold my lap top hahah but maybe in the summer i can, because i will have a free flight in the usa..PIFFERYYY
7 hours ago
 
Joran Van Der Sloot
There are haters everywhere man ;). Good you sold your laptop and hold that money down remember its for nothing ;) for hard times. lol. I will be down here a while probably so if you ever got the chance you know this is the place to be. Met mad people from Boston this week and last week they got direct flights now so they blew up the island lol. And you were right all of them our age smoke lol. And some of the ladies were very fine ;). Be good my man. Peace.
11 minutes ago


Joran Van Der Sloot
I took my lifestyle from good to better, was raised where the girls all thick and amazing this methaphore might sound a little confusing, but can't blame females cause females can't ignore somthing thats obvious...
Yesterday at 12:53pm

WOW!!!!!!

Have been having some trouble getting in and stay here this AM....NBC Philadelphia reporting same news article today:

Couple Snaps Skeleton Pic in Aruba: Natalee Holloway?

Pa. couple snaps pic of skeleton where Natalee Holloway went missing
By KAREN ARAIZA
Updated 11:20 AM EDT, Thu, Mar 18, 2010

-snipped-

http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/local-beat/Couple-Snaps-Skeleton-Pic-in-Aruba-Natalee-Holloway-88402067.html

I hope that Mark Purcell and Julia Renfro were not given a heads up.

Somehow I believe that this find would never have been revealed if Patti and John Muldowney had not reently come forward to the media regarding their frustrations with the FBI.

Janet

++++++++++

On the Record w/ Greta - April 11, 2006

DAVE HOLLOWAY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY'S FATHER: Oh, the media was our best friend. If it hadn't been for the media this thing would have been swept under the table the very first day and we'd have been calling back to Aruba "Have you heard anything? Have you heard anything?" I truly believe that.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,191377,00.html

   
Couple Snaps Skeleton Pic in Aruba: Natalee Holloway?
Pa. couple snaps pic of skeleton where Natalee Holloway went missing
By KAREN ARAIZA
Updated 11:20 AM EDT, Thu, Mar 18, 2010

Patti and John Muldowney want investigators to take a good look at a picture they took while snorkeling.

... John thought it couldn't hurt to send the photo to Holloway's family and investigators. He mailed a copy to her biological father and says he hasn't heard back.
 
John's efforts to get the picture to the right people connected to the case have been frustrating.
 
"I've called Quantico so much the receptionist said, 'We've got to stop meeting like this,' " he told the Intelligencer.
 
John sent the photo to the FBI in Philadelphia.
 
"We did receive that photo, and it was sent to the lead agent down in Miami who handles that area in the Caribbean," Special Agent Frank Burton Jr. told the Intelligencer.
 
"I didn't hear nothing for a month," said John.

John called the FBI again after hearing that van der Sloot's dad had died of a heart attack and that the case was being reopened after van der Sloot told a TV reporter another story, in which he disposed of Holloway's body in a swamp after she accidentally fell from a balcony.

This time they told me, 'John, we're not allowed to tell you what we're doing with it,'" he said.
 
"The thing is, they haven't found her yet," Patti told the Intelligencer. "So, for the parents' sake, I would hope that this picture does help."

http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/local-beat/Couple-Snaps-Skeleton-Pic-in-Aruba-Natalee-Holloway-88402067.html


Couple finds 'skeleton' in Aruba picture
Intelligencer Journal
Lancaster New Era
Mar 18, 2010 00:06 EST
Oranjestad

It is unclear what happened to the photo after that. The FBI in Miami said it has no record of getting it, and neither does the agency's legal attaché in Barbados, which has jurisdiction over Aruba.

http://articles.lancasteronline.com/local/4/249987

__________________________________________________________

This is  from a stranger who took my hand at a party and told me that I was helping look for a missing girl this was in 2007

hello that link you keep sending me is not where I see her anyway.  I am not one to jump into information like this so fast.  The boat I see is a ‘sail boat,’ =robable sunk just within the last few years.

Off a small land area that is swimmable to a main shore but far.  Almost private property if that is possible near the ocean.

Finding her will not happen, finding pieces might I am sorry if that is too realistic,.

.  Is she missing a bag or purse or back pack, luggage, bigger then smaller, that you will find =sap.

Good luck, I feel nothing but compassion and love for the family.

 

If something comes to light about the man with the DARKEST hair, and his comments on his ‘high and mighty’ status.. might lead you to this area that I see.

I am not going to put any more into this unless you ask

Thank you

Rebecca

PS, I am working on another case right now, but connect with me if you need to.

Will this bring about another water search?   Hmmmmmmm

 ::monkeywine::


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Look at what a fat, sloppy, out of shape load he has become!!!

Sporter my butt.

If he had to kick a soccer ball around today... he`d keel over dead just like his coward of a father.


I love the look on his face in this pic, too. Because it captured who he really is on the INSIDE.

A scowling angry little boy  ::MonkeyMad:: stuffed in an overgrown flabby body.

Also found this email from her


[/b]

> OK, now there is something to this finding boats.  I
> know she is near a
> boat, one that has a part that sticks up the water?
> Low tide..
>
> Oh how I wish they would find her...!!!!
>
> Love and light