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« Reply #740 on: December 02, 2008, 01:16:21 AM »

Aruba Toursim?

Didn't we just hear Steve Cohen ("aruba isn't corrupt so much as confused") Yukin it up with Dana on the radio the other day? Didn't they spend most of their time criticizing Greta?

She is finally drawing out the obvious, that the dirty police had to be involved in the coverup.

If only she would probe more about the guards. Why a murder when the guards are in jail?

And why change to a "disappearance?"

Because the police knew the evidence was gone, van der straaten ensured they would not find Natalee in the first 48 "hours, and the van der sloot house was the only safe place for that.

She died there.

The above points can't be emphasized enough, Frank.  Why indeed did the "murder" change to a "disappearance"?

I couldn't listen to Steve Cohen on Dana's show.  IMO, Cohen, Dilella, SMDG, are the architects and perpetrators of the biggest misinformation campaign that I have personally witnessed, and are complicit in the cover up.  I hope they are charged, prosecuted, and sued civilly.   Steve Cohen has a fat lot of nerve crawling out and speaking publicly at this late date.  What a coward.

 


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« Reply #741 on: December 02, 2008, 01:21:22 AM »

Aruba Toursim?

Didn't we just hear Steve Cohen ("aruba isn't corrupt so much as confused") Yukin it up with Dana on the radio the other day? Didn't they spend most of their time criticizing Greta?

She is finally drawing out the obvious, that the dirty police had to be involved in the coverup.

If only she would probe more about the guards. Why a murder when the guards are in jail?

And why change to a "disappearance?"

Because the police knew the evidence was gone, van der straaten ensured they would not find Natalee in the first 48 "hours, and the van der sloot house was the only safe place for that.

She died there.

The above points can't be emphasized enough, Frank.  Why indeed did the "murder" change to a "disappearance"?

I couldn't listen to Steve Cohen on Dana's show.  IMO, Cohen, Dilella, SMDG, are the architects and perpetrators of the biggest misinformation campaign that I have personally witnessed, and are complicit in the cover up.  I hope they are charged, prosecuted, and sued civilly.   Steve Cohen has a fat lot of nerve crawling out and speaking publicly at this late date.  What a coward.

 


A lot of things with the security guards arrest, detention, and continued detention has always brought up a lot of questions for me!   
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I stand with the girl, Natalee Holloway.

"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

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« Reply #742 on: December 02, 2008, 01:22:52 AM »

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"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

Beth Holloway, 2015 interview with Greta van Susteren
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« Reply #743 on: December 02, 2008, 01:24:01 AM »

Will Greta have more on the case tomorrow? TIA
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« Reply #744 on: December 02, 2008, 01:42:08 AM »

I'm fascinated that Greta is bringing this case to the media again.  The human trafficking aspect is a timely international twist.  Human trafficking has exploded on the international scene lately.  Greta is careful to say that Joran's story of selling Natalee may or may not be true, but the real importance here is the lack of investigation on the part of the Prosecutor.  Greta seems to be trying to expose the depth of corruption in Aruba that we all recognized years ago.  I'm skeptical as to whether or not Joran sold Natalee, but if this claim of trafficking provides the means of uncovering the corruption in Aruba, then so be it.  How ironic that Joran himself injected such a timely subject into this case!  The psychopath does have a craving for attention, it seems.

I think the corruption in Aruba runs deep, and I am doubtful that even the media attention that Greta can shine on this island will uncover the core of this corruption.  I really believe that this case will only be resolved if international justice courts become involved.  The trafficking charge may be the way to involve an international court and eventually uncover the corruption that is deeply embedded in Aruban society. 

I found some interesting reading at the ICMPD (International Center for Migration Policy Development) website at http://www.icmpd.org .  They have a set of documents called Anti-Trafficking Training Material for Judges and Prosecutors at =591&cHash=b924d5382e]http://www.icmpd.org/899.html?&tx_icmpd_pi2[document]=591&cHash=b924d5382e .  Perhaps we should email this to Hans Mos?  Maybe it would help him out. 

Anyway, I do believe that the corruption on Aruba must be exposed and, in time, it will be.  Do ya think Rudy Croes might be distancing himself from Hans Mos and his "accomplishments" while serving as Prosecutor?  hmmm...  sure... Rudy needs a scapegoat to throw under the proverbial bus, and Mos fits the bill this time.  The problem is that Aruba is going to run out of scapegoats soon and Rudy will discover the buck stops at his doorstep.
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« Reply #745 on: December 02, 2008, 01:44:54 AM »

Sorry, but you'll need to copy and paste that second link into your browser as it didn't highlight the full link.
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« Reply #746 on: December 02, 2008, 01:54:55 AM »

I think I fixed it. 

Nice to see it back in the news. 

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« Reply #747 on: December 02, 2008, 01:56:26 AM »

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« Reply #748 on: December 02, 2008, 01:56:50 AM »

I think I fixed it. 

Nice to see it back in the news. 

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Thanks, Klaas.  Goodnight.  Yes, this is a positive turn in events.  Aruba needs to be exposed.
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« Reply #749 on: December 02, 2008, 01:59:36 AM »

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« Reply #750 on: December 02, 2008, 02:03:58 AM »

This is an article I found in October. It involves the Westminster, CA, PD (in Orange County, CA) and the Salvation Army

At the time there were just 2 comments. I have .pdf'd it and then cut and past into txt. Hope nothing is missing.

Am putting part of the http on another line, in case I blow the margins. It's from the THE ORANGE COUNTY REGISTER, a newpaper that covers all the county news.


http://www.ocregister.com/articles/westminster-police-marsh-2194880-
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Westminster police get $1.2 million to combat human trafficking | westminster, police,


Tuesday, October 14, 2008 Anti-human trafficking task  force gets $1.2 million The federal grant to Westminster police and Salvation Army  will assist in rescuing victims and educating community  members.

By DEEPA BHARATH THE ORANGE COUNTY REGISTER

WESTMINSTER A new flow of federal money will help bolster law  enforcement against human trafficking in the city and surrounding  areas, Westminster police officials said today.

The Westminster Police Department, which is part of the Orange  County Human Trafficking Task Force, will get a $1.2 million  three-year federal grant to be split with the Salvation Army, said  Westminster police Lt. Derek Marsh.

"One half of the grant will be used by us to step up community  education, investigations and enforcement," he said. "The other half  will be used by Salvation Army to provide victim services."

Human trafficking is a problem everywhere in Orange County, but  more so in the Asian communities in and around Westminster,  Marsh said. Officials have seen sexual exploitation of young girls  and women from Vietnam, Thailand, Singapore, Korea and more  recently from Eastern European countries, he said.

Westminster police plan to begin a campaign to create awareness  about human trafficking among local schools, hospitals, colleges,  community groups and nonprofit organizations, Marsh said.

"We want to get the word out there," he said. "A patrol officer is not  going to be the first one to spot an anomaly. It's the neighbor who has to wonder: 'Why isn't that 12-year-old girl going to school with  my 12-year-old?' or 'Why is that woman never allowed outside the  house without an escort?'"

These are the type of questions community members need to ask  and then report to the police so they can get to the bottom of it,  Marsh said.

The Westminster police program has been funded for the last two  years through a federal earmark from Rep. Loretta Sanchez (D-Garden Grove). But that funding expired Sept. 30.

"We were lucky to get this federal grant, which started Oct. 1,"  Marsh said. Sanchez said she initiated the task force two years ago because  human trafficking is a problem in Orange County. Task force members also include the U.S. Attorney's Office, Immigration and Customs Enforcement, the FBI, and The Public Law Center.

"I'm glad they've received this grant and I'm sure they will be very  successful with their outreach and enforcement efforts, she said.  "We need that especially in the Westminster area where we've had  some bad cases." Contact the writer: 714-445-6685 or dbharath@ocregister.com


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Only bikelady wrote: This should NOT be happening in the USA--the land of the free, and every effort should be  made to root out those sub-humans who carry on this barbaric trade. We all need to keep our eyes and ears open and assist the police in helping to eradicate this horror. Keep up the  good work that has been started in those problem areas! 10/15/2008 1:05:53 PM

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There are very few crimes that are worse, or more despicable, than human trafficking. The victims, yes, victims, are often enticed into believing that they are coming to the U.S. for a  legitimate job and are then forced to work as prostitutes (ergo, being raped hundreds of  times) to pay off their smuggling fee, under duress, fear, and torture. Nasty stuff. 10/15/2008 9:41:23 AM

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« Reply #751 on: December 02, 2008, 02:12:27 AM »

Hi IBE.  Yes, human trafficking is getting the attention lately.  I received an email invitation today to a conference in January in Phoenix about human trafficking!  Here's the body of the invitation:
Awareness & Action:
A Human Trafficking Workshop

Arizona’s 1st Annual Meeting to Abolish Human Exploitation:
Child Prostitution, Forced Labor, Sex-Trafficking, and Modern Day Slavery

Please join us January 7th for this revolutionary meeting at Paradise Valley Community College

This year’s workshop will focus on the role communities play in the fight against human trafficking.

With perspectives from senior leadership, lay leaders, and experts on the issues, this meeting will provide and opportunity for learning, networking, and visioning.

The meeting is organized by a group called the Arizona League to End Regional Trafficking.  When I looked at their website, I learned that the group was established in February 2003 with a grant from the US Department of Justice / Office for Victims of Crime (OVC).  They are a coalition representing partnerships with law enforcement, faith-based communities, non-profit organizations, social service agencies, attorneys and concerned citizens.  Their primary goal is to provide education, awareness and help for victims.  This is something new to me and the first I have heard of this group. 
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« Reply #752 on: December 02, 2008, 02:19:34 AM »

I'm not so sure I believe Natalee was sold, but if linking her name with human trafficking gets the media involved again, then it's a good thing.  Aruba needs to be exposed for the den of corruption they harbor that allows crime to go unpunished.  Natalee being sold into slavery has been a thread running through this case since the beginning when Jossy Mansur's men were chasing down kidnappers who fled to Venezuela, remember?  Then, Dr. Phil's expose on human trafficking just gave me nightmares.  Remember when we discussed that MySpace guy who was on all the young women's sites and lived in Thailand?  He had a video of his home in Thailand in which you could see a TV with Beth and Dave's pictures on it.  Very creepy, considering Joran has fled to Thailand now.  After that, very little was said along this line until now.  Interesting that Joran himself brings it up. 
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« Reply #753 on: December 02, 2008, 02:28:07 AM »

I was looking for the police car transcripts. On page 10 of this forum is the listing for them, started by Klaas. But when I click on it, nothing's there. Here's the link:

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=254.0

Can someone tell me if they have the same trouble, please? TIA!
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« Reply #754 on: December 02, 2008, 02:51:32 AM »

I was looking for the police car transcripts. On page 10 of this forum is the listing for them, started by Klaas. But when I click on it, nothing's there. Here's the link:

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=254.0

Can someone tell me if they have the same trouble, please? TIA!


I have the same problem with trying to access it, CBB.  Nothing there at all.
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« Reply #755 on: December 02, 2008, 03:07:50 AM »

From Times Online
December 2, 2008
Thailand's government dissolved
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Somchai Wongsawat greets his cabinet shortly before his government was dissolved
Anne Barrowclough

Thailand's government has been disbanded and the Prime Minister barred from politics for five years in a court ruling that has prompted fears of a slide into civil war.

The Constitution Court was widely expected to find the government guilty of electoral fraud and order its dissolution but its ruling has renewed fears of violence and caused some to question whether the country has a functioning goverment any more.

The ruling came as hundreds of red-shirted government supporters of demonstrated noisily outside. They have already declared the ruling against the People Power Party (PPP) led by Somchai Wongsawat, the Prime Minister, as a "coup in disguise."

The ruling was greeted with delight by the militant People's Alliance for Democracy (PAD) who have been trying to topple Mr Somchai's government for months. They have occupied government House since August and have blocked Bangkok's two main airports for over a week, in a last ditch bid to topple Mr Somchai, whom they accuse of being a pawn for his brother-in-law, former premier Thaksin Shinawatra.
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Mr Thaksin was ousted in a 2006 coup and is now in exile after being convicted of corruption.

"My heart is happy. My friends are very happy," said Pailin Jampapong, a 41-year-old Bangkok housekeeper choking back tears as she jumped up and down.

Nattawut Sai-kau, a government spokesman, said Mr Somchai and his six-party coalition would step down.

"We will abide by the law. The coalition parties will meet together to plan for its next move soon," he told AP.

He also said the government was postponing the ASEAN summit of Asian leaders, due to take place in Thailand in mid December.

Hours before the court hearing a grenade was fired from a flyover near the domestic airport hours, killing one anti-government protester and wounding 22 people.

The electoral fraud case was scheduled to be heard at the Constitutional Courthouse in Bangkok on Tuesday, but authorities moved it after hundreds of red-shirted government supporters surrounded the building.

The ruling on allegations of vote fraud in the December 2007 election will not necessarily mean a snap election as many PPP MPs will simply switch to a new "shell" party already set up.

Fears of violent clashes, or worse, are growing with the Bangkok Post suggesting the country could fall into civil war.

"It now seems that violence cannot be avoided. Some even predict what has been unthinkable for 700 years: a civil war," the newspaper said in an editorial.

It also asked: "Does Thailand have a functioning government?"

Several thousand PAD supporters have occupied the prime minister's offices since August but the PAD has said it would hand the compound back to the authorities on Tuesday.

The PAD blockade of the airports ahs stranded hundreds of thousands of tourists in Thailand, devastating the country's tourist industry and threatening its fragile economy.

The chaos has also brought about a postponement of the ASEAN summit, due to take place in Thailand mid December.


http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/asia/article5271710.ece


This has to be a very frightening situation especially for foreigners trapped in Thailand at this time.
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« Reply #756 on: December 02, 2008, 04:26:10 AM »

From Times Online
December 2, 2008

* Fatal car crash injures Briton fleeing Thailand



Was it James Bond perhaps? Anybody else woulda been dead for sure.

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« Reply #757 on: December 02, 2008, 05:38:12 AM »

I was looking for the police car transcripts. On page 10 of this forum is the listing for them, started by Klaas. But when I click on it, nothing's there. Here's the link:

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=254.0

Can someone tell me if they have the same trouble, please? TIA!

Police Car Transcript


D = Deepak Kalpoe
J = Joran Van Der Sloot
S= Satish Kalpoe

D says to J: How do you feel Joran?
J says to D (in an upset tone): You had them arrest my father, my friend
D says to J (very calmly): That’s what I’m telling you, how do you feel?
J says to D: You know very well my father’s not involved
J says to D: I read your declaration, my friend.
D says to J: That’s bullshit.
J says to D: You lied, shit.
J says to D (very calmly): You know what happened to the girl, if you don’t know, then nothing happened to her.
J says to D: Then f*** you.
J says to D: What did you say that Freddy has to be detained?
D says to J: That Freddy has to say the truth.
J says to D: You know very well that Freddy told the truth.
S says to J: You’ll see, you’ll see.
D says to J: From the beginning, you could have avoided the matter of your dad.
D says to J: You know.
J says to D: What, where, how?
D says to J: That he wouldn’t have been detained.
J says to D: Hoe, hoeooooooo.
J says to D: You declared shit against him.
J says to D: My friend, the only thing my father wanted to do was to help you.
J says to D: My father only wanted to help you. My father even arranged a lawyer for you.
J says to D: And this is how you pay him back.
J says to D (angry): I have to give you both a klap/wanta [punch in the face?]
D says to J: Try numa [?]
D says to J: You can straighten everything out in one shot, you know
J says to D: Why?
J says to D: You can straighten things out too
J says to D: Straighten things out how?
D says to J: You have to tell the truth.
D says to J: Tomorrow I’m getting my last 8 days and then I’m going home.
J says to D: That’s what you think.
D says to J: I’m going home.
J says to D: Wait until I start saying things about you.
J says to D: Then I want to see if you’re going home.
D says to J: I guarantee you.
J says to D: You don’t think the police are interested to know that Satish hit a girl with the car?
S says to D (should be to J): He he, you make me laugh, my friend, simply laugh.
D says to J: You know very well, you’re always trying to come between us.
J says to D: Then you’re going to start talking shit about the choller (drug addict).
J says to D: My friend, it was me that helped you with that shit / the matter of the choller.
D says to J: I said that too.
J says to D: I didn’t read that, I also read the declaration.
S says to J: The thing about the choller was from me.
D or S says to J: That’s what I just said.
D or S says to J: I also said that in my first declaration. I did that for myself.
S says to J: I said that in my interest.
J answers back: That’s what police are telling me now.
J says to S or D: Police told me about you now, if you go against me then that’s when I will go against you.
Brothers laugh: Heheheheheh
S says to J: We didn’t put you in this problem.
S says to J: We simply told the truth.
J says to the brothers: You didn’t do that.
J says to the brothers: Half of what you said isn’t the f***ing truth.
J says to the brothers: That’s going to show in time.
J says to the brothers: Same as they control me, they control you too.
S says to J: About us, about us. They can find proof, but not about you.
S says to J: With lies there is no proof.
J says to the brothers: Everything is shit from Karen, you don’t know shit.
J says to the brothers: f*** you.
D says to J: You think the girl doesn’t have anything on, you’re going to see who, who f***/coy (the last part could not be heard well).
J says to D: We will see.
J says to D: You know when I’m going to laugh; when I give you a wanta [punch?] in the face.
J says to D: And I’ll laugh if they find the girl alive, f*** you.
J says to the brothers: I know very well that you’re scared.
J says to the brothers: If you did something bad to the girl, then we will see.
S says to J: I’m not scared.
S says to J: What do I have to be scared about?
D says to J: I want them to find the girl.
D says to J: You’re going to say shit about me in regards to the girl, that I buried the girl at the Fisherman’s Hut.
J says to D: Who said anything about a burial, I didn’t say anything about a burial.
D says to J: You declared that.
D says to J: Stop with the bullshit.
J says to D: I didn’t say anything about a burial.
J says to D: The only thing I can think of is that you know people, who are people of Automotive Enterprises.
S says to J (apparently in a sarcastic tone): Hahahaha, after I’ll get a flat tire he.
S says to J: Hahahaha, after went to get you and after I went back to the beach for the girl.
J says to S: Who said that.
S says to J: That’s what you said.
J says to S: My friend, I didn’t say that.
J says to S: My friend, I never said that you went back (apparently referring to the beach).
J says to the brothers: That’s your problem.
J says to the brothers: If they find the girl, then they will see the shit.
D says to J: 8 more days and I’m going home, I guarantee you this 1000 per cent.
J says to D: We will see.
D says to J: You don’t give a shit about your family members.
J says to D: The only thing I can think about is my family, I am doing what my family told me to do.
J says to the brothers: He, +++++.
D says to J: You’re like your father, incredible.
J says to D: What about my father, it’s your fault he was detained. I didn’t declare anything against my father, it was you who spoke against my father.
S says to J: I didn’t declare anything.
J says to the brothers: Of course you did.
S says to J: What did I say / against your father?
J says to the brothers: You said that he (Joran’s father) said that if there’s no corpse there’s no case, or I don’t know what more sorts of shit.
J says to the brothers: That’s not true, the only thing he (Joran’s father) said that if there’s no body there don’t have a case.
D says to J: That’s true.
J says to D: Nothing of that is true.
D says to J: I also said in my declaration that he wasn’t kiermen [?] like that.
J says to D: 20 (what’s is 20? Should be the word ‘esey’) I didn’t read that in your declaration.
J says to the brothers: That’s what they’re using against my father.
D says to J: We have suffered a lot because of you.
J says to the brothers: That’s the price that you’ve let my father pay. That you’re suffering so: f*** you. If you let me suffer, I say OK. I don’t have cunes [?] I can sit calmly 160 days here, for me it doesn’t make a difference. I’m ok here.
Brothers say to J: Me too, me too.
J says to S: And you Satish, they told me that you son of a bitch…see spirits in your cell.
J says to S: They told me that you see the girl in your cell and you get very scared.
S says to J: I saw a spirits? Two other guys saw spirits.
S says to J: You also believe people who are in this prison.
S says to J: What you say has nothing to do with spirits and is cheap shit.
J says to S: They speak well of me, but not of you.
J says to the brothers: And also the two guards (the two security guards who were detained the first time?_ guaranteed me that they will kill you when you get out of prison.
D says to J: Oh, yeah?
J says to the brothers: Who made the declaration about the guards; it was you and not me. Why? Because I didn’t want to bring anyone into the problem who has nothing to do with this case.
D or S yells to J: The lie was for you.
J says to the brothers: It was you who admitted that.
D or S again yells to J: The lie was for you.
J says to the brothers: You paid (with money) him (referring to a male person) however.
Brothers laugh: Hahahahaha.
J says to the brothers: You called by telephone saying that ‘I’ (the ‘I’ here is referring to one of the Kalpoe brothers) hit the jackpot. You said by telephone: “I hit the f***ing jackpot.” You forgot that the telephone was tapped.
S or D says to J: Shut your face.
J says to the brothers: You forgot that, +++++!
J says to the brothers: And when you got home and said that you fixed everything. You told me “I fixed it’.
J says to D: Good for you. Because of you I’m also in prison.
D says to J: Ayiaaaiaaai.
J says to the brothers: Juffle [?] man, what can you do?
D says to J: What can you do?
J says to the brothers: Make me shut my face, no.
Brothers say to J: f*** you, we’re not talking to you anymore.
D says to J: Talk until you get tired.
S says to D: You have clothes
D says to J: What are you going to do with that. I’m getting out of here in 5 days.
J says to O (apparently D): That’s what you think.
D says to J: Shut your face.
D says to J again: Shut your face, you bitch.
J says to D: What can you do.
J (should be D) says to J: f*** your father.
J says to D: If my father doesn’t get out tomorrow, then you’ll see.
J says to D: My friend, shut your face before I hit it shut.
D says to J: Do it if you can. You’re already in prison.
J says to D: It doesn’t make a difference, they can put me in the f***ing Cachot [?] I don’t have cunes [?]
D says to J: They’re going to give you 15 years if they find the girl.
J says to D: Why? Why?
D says to J: That scholarship of yours. Gooooooodbye, you can forget about it.
J says to D: Yes, because of who, because of you, +++++.
J says to D: You know very well that you did something bad, otherwise you wouldn’t lie.
Brothers say: Aaiaiaiaiaiaiai.
J says to the brothers : I should kill you, +++++.
J says to the brothers: Shut your cancer face.
D says to J: Won’t it be nice if tomorrow you’re standing in front of the RC (judge).
D says to J: How not? Too much proof.
J says to D: Then they can hit me too.
J says to D: You think that to me that makes a difference? One strike will be enough.
S says to J: You think, you think.
J says to S: You think that you can go home to get your gun.
S says to J: That I have a gun?
J says to S: Satish, you go get a gun from home, I shoot you dead [?]
S says to J: Look, police went to my house, they searched the house and they found a gun?
S says to J: What did they find?
D says to J: It’s been hours you’re talking bullshit.
J says to D: How is this shit not true, witnesses saw you.
S says to J: In the end, we’ll see who gets out and who stays.
S says to J: You tell the truth, we will see.
J says to the brothers: I know that I’m getting out.
Brothers say: We will see hahahahaha.
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« Reply #758 on: December 02, 2008, 05:58:44 AM »

I am not an expert, but looking at the center top of each picture we've seen there is a number 93.6 f, for example, which is probably the depth the ROV took the image....I just checked Blonde's thread 'The Search for Natalee' and especially on page 2, can see dive photos with the same depth stamp.  If so, the cage was not bone dry, and the zip lock bags were in the cage at that depth, imo.




I am sure it has been said, but the blue (cap or cloth) w/ emblem in the cage may just have been left as a "calling card" of sorts......possibly a governmental calling card, as the cross seems to be on the government emblem.What was the message being conveyed? Was this partially the reason there was so much silence around what the actual contents of what was found?

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« Reply #759 on: December 02, 2008, 05:59:19 AM »

Aruba Toursim?

Didn't we just hear Steve Cohen ("aruba isn't corrupt so much as confused") Yukin it up with Dana on the radio the other day? Didn't they spend most of their time criticizing Greta?

She is finally drawing out the obvious, that the dirty police had to be involved in the coverup.

If only she would probe more about the guards. Why a murder when the guards are in jail?

And why change to a "disappearance?"

Because the police knew the evidence was gone, van der straaten ensured they would not find Natalee in the first 48 hours, and the van der sloot house was the only safe place for that.

She died there.

I agree.  This is why Joran was sleeping at the school.  Natalee was in his apartment and Paulus did not want him around the house while the cleanup took place.  This is why Paulus took so long to answer the door.  There were others there that night.
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