Lively Case Discussion #652 7/6 - 7/8/2007

[Easywriter]

hmmm, hmmmmmm, hmmmmmmmmmmmm

[nonesuche]

it is hot as heck here, is it miserable where you are Easy? Not one drop of rain here now in weeks, I guess the drought migrated up here.

silvefox did you listen to the link OF posted? I did and Oduber surely did come out early and strong about the tourism, he said it was their "bread", I guess he didn't realize the american saying is bread and butter  

in any event it was clear he was on the offensive.....I agree with your conclusions.

I thought what BB posted about Rick L from FOX last night was very interesting too.

[San]

Yesterday there was a series of quotes attributed to Beth and the incident with her and her two other GF's coming back from Hot Springs Arkansas. She  made a call and said she was not stopping and was driving very fast. No body just makes up that their daughter has been kidnapped in front of two friends unless it's true. I believe those two GF's know what actually happened. (interesting we do not know who they are or their accounts).

*Thanks Janet and all for those quotes.*

I have always believed those calls existed. I have a memory like a steel trap and remember most of what has occurred.

In the beginning of the case, Beth was met by a State Trooper and was escorted to the state line where she was met by another State Trooper (I assume from Alabama when she arrived back at her home state).

Beth indicated she and the trooper spoke. Meaning that they didn't just take her word and asked for proof. The proof was the phone call. As I recall Beth played the call for the trooper. He or she heard it and was convinced.

At that point the State Trooper believed Beth and they formed a small caravan to the state line.

Over the last year there have been a few civil suits to get the Kalpoes and  and the Sloots into court. (*Notice no attempts to get Steve Croes, GVC, Guido, or Lorenzo into court*).

Each of these attempts was dismissed for lack of convenience not based on the merit of the case itself. Those issues have not been argued and remain on the table for a future civil suit. (Who knows where that will take place???)

Here is the kicker- These cases were to be WRONGFUL DEATH. They were not sexual assault and the crimes leading up to the wrongful death. There was also denying someone their liberty resulting in DEATH.

How to conclusively arrive at the decision of WRONGFUL DEATH ?

Most here believe Natalee is dead. Even without a body we believe she is dead based on what we know. But that is not enough in a Court of Law. So there must be more that we do not know about. YET!

What piece of evidence must exist that we and no one else knows about yet?

It must be the phone call(s) and the origin of that call(s).

There is a time bomb coming and one that can't be denied.

Someone has the records (the real records) of the calls made by the VDS family and the Kalpoes on the night in question. And all of the lines they own.

I was probably the last person to believe the crime happened at the VDS home. Some of this was based on the fact that Deepak stated that he drove around CnC three times and was heading south toward Lorenzo's when he saw the ALE at the intersection at West Straat and LG Smith Blvd. He was heading in the opposite direction of the Sloot house.

I am now convinced that is where the crime happened. When Greta and Beth went to the VDS house in the beginning of the case. (Greta suggested that to Beth and they went over) They went into the house with out the camera and when Beth came out she made a statement and I believe Greta repeated it and said that Beth said - "I got what I came for".

What that actually means is up for debate. Could be that Monkey Mica. But that was seen from out side and not needed to be view from in the VDS home. So what ever it was, it convinced Beth that they were at the right address.

Recently the KLPD excavated the VDS home. They did a survey on the Kalpoe home and then left the island. Interesting that the KLPD did not tear up that Kalpoes and only that of that VDS home. They believe the crime happened there also. The web has narrowed and leads to the VDS home.

A lynch pin is needed in the civil suits. That lynch pin must be the phone calls and where the actaully came from. Someone else on the dark side must have some knowledge that these call DO exist and lead right to the VDS family.

I have no idea if this is in Beth's book or not. I would think it is devoid of these details and JQK will reveal them when the time is right and not before. He's not an investigator but a litigator. There is a difference. And a litigator is not needed if you know that the person is in fact dead. You need an investigator if you believe the person is alive and you are trying to locate them. Like Amy Bradley.

This is a huge trump card waiting to be played and should the case be closed or the suspects released....I believe it could come out. I also believe this is the reason the case is still open and it is an effort to stall those facts from coming out.

As Jug said - 'Should they release the suspects or close the case, we can reveal it all- and it would shock everyone - shock the world' (paraphrased).

Those in a position of authority know that phone records are not complete and this is a sticking point for the Aruban Authorities and the people wanting to shut that case down. How to do it without ending tourism forever.

I agree that these phone records hold the key to everything.  I also believe that Aruba thinks they have all the records.  Wouldn't it be a surprise that the FBI also had a copy of the real records.

Wouldn't it even be a bigger surprise that one of the phone calls was from Natalee and it came from the Van der Sloot home.

We are all lead to believe that Sander lost his cell phone and a lot of people figured that is where a call came from.  Is this a diversion.

This was a simple case from day one. The crime happened at the Sloot home.  Aruba is the one who made it complicated and tried to confuse everyone.

[Rob]

Under the boardwalk we will be having some fun ~~~

Easy     I can't dance this early


Rob - I think the actual saying is a memory like an elephant and a mind like a steel trap  

see I forgot  

[nonesuche]

I forget important stuff but I can remember sayings like ear worms  

Hey San has something to say !!

[San]

[nonesuche]

you go San   you keep us in line !

[Rob]

Another point and one that most may have not noticed. When the Dana's Furniture Truck arrived. Did anyone notice the angle of the photo?

[Easywriter]

I'M MAD AND THAT IS A BAD THING!!!

Watch me!

[nonesuche]

Another point and one that most may have not noticed. When the Dana's Furniture Truck arrived. Did anyone notice the angle of the photo?

wasn't it an aerial shot? if not please explain.......

Easy, in the famous words of Austin Powers, BEEHAVE  

[Rob]

Another point and one that most may have not noticed. When the Dana's Furniture Truck arrived. Did anyone notice the angle of the photo?

wasn't it an aerial shot? if not please explain.......

Easy, in the famous words of Austin Powers, BEEHAVE  

like from a satellite. Someone has them under massive surveillance. And not the kind where a PI hangs out in the bushes.

[San]

Another point and one that most may have not noticed. When the Dana's Furniture Truck arrived. Did anyone notice the angle of the photo?

wasn't it an aerial shot? if not please explain.......

Easy, in the famous words of Austin Powers, BEEHAVE  

like from a satellite. Someone has them under massive surveillance. And not the kind where a PI hangs out in the bushes.

I always thought that was taken from a plane or helicopter.

Do you think they have more photos from that day.

[Rob]

I got a hit on my site about two months ago and told Carpe about it. The site meter IPS said SATELLITE ONE. This was definitely from something orbiting.

I have had only about 11K hits since I put the site meter on on 3-29-2007 and I put it on there not to record the number of hits, but to look at who is looking for who. And I have had some interesting hits of people looking for Amy and a few others from some interesting locales.

[Rob]

Another point and one that most may have not noticed. When the Dana's Furniture Truck arrived. Did anyone notice the angle of the photo?

wasn't it an aerial shot? if not please explain.......

Easy, in the famous words of Austin Powers, BEEHAVE  

like from a satellite. Someone has them under massive surveillance. And not the kind where a PI hangs out in the bushes.

I always thought that was taken from a plane or helicopter.

Do you think they have more photos from that day.

I bet there are a slew of photos we have never seen San. A case this high profile has many elements we do not know about. Like why Joran was on a Watch List.

[nonesuche]

well it's good you are tracking them then, satellites? any from holland?  

O/T warning - Easy look what I just found for you  

[San]

Another point and one that most may have not noticed. When the Dana's Furniture Truck arrived. Did anyone notice the angle of the photo?

wasn't it an aerial shot? if not please explain.......

Easy, in the famous words of Austin Powers, BEEHAVE  

like from a satellite. Someone has them under massive surveillance. And not the kind where a PI hangs out in the bushes.

I always thought that was taken from a plane or helicopter.

Do you think they have more photos from that day.

I bet there are a slew of photos we have never seen San. A case this high profile has many elements we do not know about. Like why Joran was on a Watch List.

I always thought he was on the FBI watch list because they consider him a kidnapping/murderer.

[Tiger]

Easy,I get the same spam,hehe

[Rob]

San I am trying to help Glendene Grant who daughter Jessie Foster is missing in Vegas. I put some info on there about the last person seen with her. (Peter Todd) and within only 15 or so minutes I got a hit on him. I sent the screen capture to Mrs Grant. Some of these people actually look to see what people are saying about them.

[Tiger]

I thought for drugs and money laundering,plus rapes of over 20 women

[Easywriter]

well it's good you are tracking them then, satellites? any from holland?  

O/T warning - Easy look what I just found for you  

I dig deep! lol

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