Gabriel Johnson #2 1/15/10 - 1/27/10

[NM]

Police are investigating new leads that the mother of baby Gabriel may have put him up for adoption. Hattie Kauffman reports. Maggie Rodriguez spoke with Lt. Mike Horn about the investigation.

http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=6115339n&tag=cbsnewsVideoArea.0

Interesting they still mention this woman in Wisconsin AND that the Smiths are still considered persons of interest. 

I am drawing a blank but do we know the date of the text message that EJ sent to Logan telling him she killed Gabriel?

Mission,
I think it was Dec 27

[seahorse]

http://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?gsfn=&gsln=&gspl=1%2CAny+Locality&submit=Search&gl=allgs&prox=1&gss=rwms&gsfn=steven&gsln=SEELMEYER&submit=Search&gl=allgs&prox=1&o_iid=1243&o_lid=1243&offerid=0%3a7858%3a0

Steven's public records just in case.

[Northern Rose]

Gabriel

[bananas]

Why would Tammi be asking her friends to pray for Gabriel on Dec 15th when Elizabeth did not take off till Dec 18th?

The date when the photo is uploaded to facebook is the date you see.  A caption may be added or changed at any time and it will not change that date.

[Missiontoconvict]

Why would Tammi be asking her friends to pray for Gabriel on Dec 15th when Elizabeth did not take off till Dec 18th?

Now that is a very good question - Strange that Jack's only comment about Nashville was something to the effect it is a neat town........seems he would have fond memories considering things were pretty good for him then.  Hmmmm

[bananas]

Why would Tammi be asking her friends to pray for Gabriel on Dec 15th when Elizabeth did not take off till Dec 18th?

The date when the photo is uploaded to facebook is the date you see.  A caption may be added or changed at any time and it will not change that date.

I just went to the site and looked at this photo again.  AND what I do see is comments made about praying before the 18th....so.......

here are the comments posted on that picture.  The date of each comment follows the comment.

Pamela Aronow I will pray that this adorable little guy becomes a part of your family!
December 15, 2009 at 11:20pm · Report

Tammi Peters Smith Awe, thank you my sweet friend.
December 15, 2009 at 11:22pm · Report

Wayne Sampspn WE Will pray for him & you to bless you
December 17, 2009 at 1:52am · Report

[Northern Rose]

That is about all that is interesting from her photos that she left up, unless you want to see more images of poop flushing rooms and chairs.   

[NM]

Good Morning Monkeys....

I noticed that Gabriel seems to be wearing brand new footie pajamas.  I wonder
about those.  Did EJ buy them?  Why would she do that?  If she bought them in San Antonio, would there be a tape of her buying other things at the same time?

The last two pictures surely look like a child that cannot keep his eyes open.
Was he tired?  Was he drugged?  Did EJ have a clue about how much Tylenol a child should receive?

Was the knife found on EJ when she was picked up?  Was it found in the room?
Did she have it for safety reasons while traveling? 

What is with the person giving EJ a cell phone while in San Antonio?  I wondered if
EJ's cell phone went to Victoria, TX while she was sitting there in San Antonio waiting for a bus. 

Okay....those were the things I have had on my mind for a while.  Wish the San Antonio police would share a bit more.

Hi Mere!!!!!!

I also think her original cell phone went to Victoria w/out her. I wouldn't call her smart, rather "aware" of things such as cell pings. 

I am glad to hear she used or had a San Antonio cell phone, I still feel she sold Gabriel.  I feel she was focused on getting money for him rather than "disposing" of him. Also, I bet, she was aware of how much demand/money for Gabriel. 

On another note I hope the LE looks into charges of human trafficing.  I don't know the details of laws, but to me she was trafficing her son, as well as other charges.


Thank you all Monkeys for the updates and info.

[Northern Rose]

Search Still On for Baby Gabriel
Police Say They're "Optimistic" But "Wrestling" with Idea that Mother May Have Killed Her 8-Month-Old Child

<snipped>

"At this point, we still believe that there's information that's out there that they have knowledge of that could assist further in this investigation," he said. "And really it's on them if they come to the point where they want to be completely truthful about everything that they know."

Smith told Rodriguez he and his wife wanted to take a polygraph test to clear their name and focus on any other leads in the investigation.

Cmdr. Kim Hale, who is leading Tempe police's investigation, told The Associated Press the lie detector test came back as inconclusive.

Horn told Rodriguez police are "optimistic" that Gabriel is alive, saying they've had "indications" that there may have been a plan to adopt him out.

He added, "Unfortunately, as each day passes, we also have to wrestle with the fact that Elizabeth may have carried out what she originally said, and that she killed him. So we have to progress that both are a possibility, but at the same time, we are very optimistic that we can find him."

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/01/19/earlyshow/main6115363.shtml

[SunnyinTX]

That is about all that is interesting from her photos that she left up, unless you want to see more images of poop flushing rooms and chairs.   

NR, thanks for all the pictures..I'll pass on the poop flushing rooms and chairs, thank you anyway   but that sink she is selling was pretty neat 

I want to believe Gabriel is alive, but my hope is waining.....I can't believe IF he was alive that his mother would sit in jail for how many years to 'protect' him. She is too selfish and self centered for that. I hope I am wrong.............

[Northern Rose]

Good Morning Monkeys....

I noticed that Gabriel seems to be wearing brand new footie pajamas.  I wonder
about those.  Did EJ buy them?  Why would she do that?  If she bought them in San Antonio, would there be a tape of her buying other things at the same time?

The last two pictures surely look like a child that cannot keep his eyes open.
Was he tired?  Was he drugged?  Did EJ have a clue about how much Tylenol a child should receive?

Was the knife found on EJ when she was picked up?  Was it found in the room?
Did she have it for safety reasons while traveling? 

What is with the person giving EJ a cell phone while in San Antonio?  I wondered if
EJ's cell phone went to Victoria, TX while she was sitting there in San Antonio waiting for a bus. 

Okay....those were the things I have had on my mind for a while.  Wish the San Antonio police would share a bit more.

Hi Mere!!!!!!

I also think her original cell phone went to Victoria w/out her. I wouldn't call her smart, rather "aware" of things such as cell pings. 

I am glad to hear she used or had a San Antonio cell phone, I still feel she sold Gabriel.  I feel she was focused on getting money for him rather than "disposing" of him. Also, I bet, she was aware of how much demand/money for Gabriel. 

On another note I hope the LE looks into charges of human trafficing.  I don't know the details of laws, but to me she was trafficing her son, as well as other charges.


Thank you all Monkeys for the updates and info.

I am wondering if the San Antonio cell was given to her by a escort agency/pimp.  If the sitter is being truthful and was dressed to go clubbing at 11:30am and then overheard her having  a loud argument on the cell as she came back it may not be a far fetched idea. 

[seahorse]

http://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?gsfn=&gsln=&gspl=1%2CAny+Locality&submit=Search&gl=allgs&prox=1&gss=rwms&gsfn=steven&gsln=SEELMEYER&submit=Search&gl=allgs&prox=1&o_iid=1243&o_lid=1243&offerid=0%3a7858%3a0

Steven's public records just in case.

http://search.mylife.com/partner/ps?searchFirstName=STEPHEN&searchLastName=SEELMEYER&searchAge=66&searchState=TX&searchCity=Mcallen&s_cid=API:00040&pid=WP_OEM_n4


This location for Steven Seelmeyer (possible roommate of Janis S. Couvillion) is 5 hours from San Antonio.

[no rose colored glasses]

you could be onto something about the cell phone Northern, that could very well be.

[SunnyinTX]

Discussion NOW on HLN re: Gabriel

[SunnyinTX]

I am wondering if the San Antonio cell was given to her by a escort agency/pimp.  If the sitter is being truthful and was dressed to go clubbing at 11:30am and then overheard her having  a loud argument on the cell as she came back it may not be a far fetched idea. 

NR, I think that is a very real possibility

[Tracygirl]

Does an underground group give a mother a cell phone so she can call them if an emergency arises or they can reach her when it is time to run? Prior to cell phones a number would be given to call and they asked to be called from a pay phone. Just a thought

[Tracygirl]

remind me again of why we believe she left with the baby on the 18th and not sooner? Was it her visit to her grandfathers home? Also, where was she during the time before she picked up the baby?

[Mere]

Good Morning Monkeys....

I noticed that Gabriel seems to be wearing brand new footie pajamas.  I wonder
about those.  Did EJ buy them?  Why would she do that?  If she bought them in San Antonio, would there be a tape of her buying other things at the same time?

The last two pictures surely look like a child that cannot keep his eyes open.
Was he tired?  Was he drugged?  Did EJ have a clue about how much Tylenol a child should receive?

Was the knife found on EJ when she was picked up?  Was it found in the room?
Did she have it for safety reasons while traveling? 

What is with the person giving EJ a cell phone while in San Antonio?  I wondered if
EJ's cell phone went to Victoria, TX while she was sitting there in San Antonio waiting for a bus. 

Okay....those were the things I have had on my mind for a while.  Wish the San Antonio police would share a bit more.

Hi Mere!!!!!!

I also think her original cell phone went to Victoria w/out her. I wouldn't call her smart, rather "aware" of things such as cell pings. 

I am glad to hear she used or had a San Antonio cell phone, I still feel she sold Gabriel.  I feel she was focused on getting money for him rather than "disposing" of him. Also, I bet, she was aware of how much demand/money for Gabriel. 

On another note I hope the LE looks into charges of human trafficing.  I don't know the details of laws, but to me she was trafficing her son, as well as other charges.


Thank you all Monkeys for the updates and info.

I am wondering if the San Antonio cell was given to her by a escort agency/pimp.  If the sitter is being truthful and was dressed to go clubbing at 11:30am and then overheard her having  a loud argument on the cell as she came back it may not be a far fetched idea. 

Hi NM...!!!

Glad to see you pop in again.  I try putting myself into the shoes of a 23 year old with and 8 month old - and it is not hard as that is how old I was when my son was 8 months old. 

I think it is strange that someone (with not much money) would give away her cell...but I bet she has seen one or two TV programs about cell phone pings....so maybe she sold the phone for a couple of dollars...or, if Gabriel was passed on to someone else, she may have tucked the phone in his belongings...and off it went to Victoria, TX and parts south of there.  I guess the last thing is....she put the phone down and it was stolen.

Speaking of Gabriel's belongings....did EJ leave those brand new, never washed p.j's, in the hotel room or in the car.  If those were found, I would feel sick about the outcome of this case.

I like the idea, NR, that she was given a phone by one of her craigslist ads.

[no rose colored glasses]

When Elizabeth's grandfather gave her the car to use, and she didn't come back with it, did he do a police report that his car was stolen? I thought he gave her the car for an interview, and then she took off with it.

[seahorse]

Is TS a part of The Underground?