Lively Case Discussion #599 4/11 - 4/13/2007

[Angiex911dsptchr]

CBB
 IMO there is more then ONE bag there.. look again..
 to the left of the bigger bag.. it looks liek a smaller bag .. look at the top of it.. looks like its tied up.. thus making the one on the right look like a big one?  Hope that made some sense.  but its just IMO.

[Angiex911dsptchr]

CBB - I really don't see much of anything below that hole in what would be the upper chest area.  It is the face portion that stands out to me.

It did me too long ago. Eyes. nose.. etc,

[Patti]

Angiex911dsptchr wrote:I do recall wayyyyyyyyyyyyyy back when . when Sleuth posted.. you and I both saw a person in that photo. Others didn't.
IMO there WAS..

WidgetTheMidget wrote:

This Photo Is Not The Same That We Saw That Day ...........

THe Other Black & White Photo Is Much Clearer .........

Its Almost Like The Plastic Bag Grabbed Natalees Image .........

Here you go.

I did a screen capture from the AruBay video, rotated the photo so the 'head' portion was towards the top, and then took that and applied several filters in order to see if the contents of the bag could be distinguished.  

The one that Angie and Widget are most interested in is the midlle of the three, which has a 'negative' filter applied.  The one on the right has a 'sephia' filter applied.

Other than rotating the image and applying the filter, these are unretouched.  I tried all kinds of filters that night at the request of a group of monkeys online that night.  


Here is a larger image of the one with the 'negative' filter.  Other posters, both on SM and other sites, subsequently grabbed this image and utilized in their postings...

I see long, very, very long blond hair.  Curly... I wonder if Natalee has naturally curly hair?

Also, does someone remember hearing about a birthmark, or a mole that she has on her shoulder, or arm?  I wish that there were some identifying mark that we could find that could be used to make a possitive identification.

She's so beautiful, even in these pictures.

 

[klaasend]

GOODNIGHT ALL - sorry I wasn't around much tonight.  I'm affraid I won't be around much tomorrow either.  Have a project that needs to be done by tomorrow afternoon.  I will be keeping an eye on things though and breaks from time to time.

See you all tomorrow.

[Sleuth]

Here is a capture of just the facial portion, extending down to the hole/wound area..

[Angiex911dsptchr]

GOODNIGHT ALL - sorry I wasn't around much tonight.  I'm affraid I won't be around much tomorrow either.  Have a project that needs to be done by tomorrow afternoon.  I will be keeping an eye on things though and breaks from time to time.

See you all tomorrow.

  Night Klaas.. Sweet dreams.
catch some zzzz's for me..

[Sleuth]

Goodnight Klaasend.  Have a good day tomorrow.

[Sleuth]

It looks like I'm going to have to get out of this Easter grass soon  

[Sleuth]

Patti, I do remember something about a birthmark or mole, but I don't remember where.  And there has been so much misinformation fed to us that I would need to see where that originated....

[Patti]

Nite Klaas!

Good luck tomorrow.... WE MISS YOU!

[Angiex911dsptchr]

LOL Sleuth

 Gimme a sec. I am gonna try something I may blow margins to hell and back.  Wanna see if I can post yours and Carpes one photo side by side.. gotta up load them.. brb..

[Sleuth]

CBB
 IMO there is more then ONE bag there.. look again..
 to the left of the bigger bag.. it looks liek a smaller bag .. look at the top of it.. looks like its tied up.. thus making the one on the right look like a big one?  Hope that made some sense.  but its just IMO.

Angie - that is a good way to describe it.  The area on the left appears to be a smaller bag that is tied.

[Patti]

Patti, I do remember something about a birthmark or mole, but I don't remember where.  And there has been so much misinformation fed to us that I would need to see where that originated....

Richard has been in touch with the family and Steve Holloway has been
e-mailing me.  I'll see if we can find out for sure.... okay?

[Angiex911dsptchr]

 If MARGINS BLOW .. I am SORRY in ADVANCE

[crazybabyborg]

You all were answering my questions as I was getting this to ask you if I had it right! Thanks guys! Is this labeled right?

[crazybabyborg]

Forgot to paste.  

[Angiex911dsptchr]

CBB
 IMO there is more then ONE bag there.. look again..
 to the left of the bigger bag.. it looks liek a smaller bag .. look at the top of it.. looks like its tied up.. thus making the one on the right look like a big one?  Hope that made some sense.  but its just IMO.

Angie - that is a good way to describe it.  The area on the left appears to be a smaller bag that is tied.

  Glad you understood..lol  Does appear to be more then one bag there IMO.

[crazybabyborg]

I agree. More than one bag, on the left.

[Patti]

Here is a capture of just the facial portion, extending down to the hole/wound area..

That's exactly what the Enquirer printed in their newspaper.

It's amazing that so much detail came through with that filtering.

Good Job, Sleuth!

[Sleuth]

I'm sorry to be a pest, but someone please help me put this in context?
This bag was in the Chicago videos, right? The one seen in that concrete container thing, right?
Do you all think it's Natalee? It's definately a torso.

CBB - yes, this was in the AruBay video that Chicago_510 had the foresight to save (thank you Chicago_510).

The huge pond has this concrete area as an inflow/outflow area.  I know there is a technical name for it.  

What is amazing to me is that it is right along side of the road so would be a very unlikely spot to intentionally dump a body unless they were in a very big hurry and just chose the closest location.  This is just up the road a bit from the Marriott, accross from the Fishermen's Huts.