Lively Case Discussion #590 3/16 - 3/19/2007

[Lala'sMom]

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 4:42 pm
Arawaks hold singing card from babylon
There is also a trio. One Babylonian. 2 Shivas.
Arawaks can’t let babylonian Card sing because hand holding it dirty too.
Many teepees fall. No Wampum.
Cowboys eat Sacrifice. Arawaks eat sacrifice.
Dirty hand stays hidden, but all are well-fed.
Cowboys happy, but unrest in the halls of the palace
Babylon owes the Arawaks!

This is the first mention of Dirty Hand by Shango.  Up to this time the only thing mentioning anyone in power is when Shango mentions "his lordship".  stay tuned....

[Lala'sMom]

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 4:55 pm
If cowboys see dirty hand, many teepees fall. House of Babylon falls.
we must have a sacrifice to feed the cowboys.
they go back to the fort with no loot.

The next time Shango mentions Dirty Hand it is spelled with lower case letters.  I have often thought that was because Shango was typing quickly and just did not capitalize the two words.  If that isn't the case then this is a second dirty hand.  There are those that think this is a reference to a totally different person.  Stay tuned.

[Lala'sMom]

OMG!  I have done it again...I have sent everyone scurrying for cover...be back in a bit...come back everyone...please.

[Tibrogargan]

Is Stafford the pretty lady they made an honorary citisen of Tennessee?   I have seen her on television several times.

That would be her - recorded a CD in Nashville with a lot of the old Western Swing greats as backing.  Called "let the Dance Begin"
Top track was "Steelin the Two Step"
She comes from a few miles away from where I am and we have known her for many years.  Great voice and won a lot of awards here and finally cracked the US scene which is not easy for an Aussie.  Lovely person.

[San]

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 4:55 pm
If cowboys see dirty hand, many teepees fall. House of Babylon falls.
we must have a sacrifice to feed the cowboys.
they go back to the fort with no loot.

The next time Shango mentions Dirty Hand it is spelled with lower case letters.  I have often thought that was because Shango was typing quickly and just did not capitalize the two words.  If that isn't the case then this is a second dirty hand.  There are those that think this is a reference to a totally different person.  Stay tuned.

I agree Lala's that he used the lower case because he was typing quickly.

[San]

OMG!  I have done it again...I have sent everyone scurrying for cover...be back in a bit...come back everyone...please.

No you didn't.  But since you are leaving I will be back also.

[Lala'sMom]

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 5:32 pm
The sacrifice is the correct food to appease the gods, arawaks, and cowboys
but the foundations of the house of babylon will shake
even harder if Arawak Dirty Hand is revealed

Shango's first reference to an Arawak Dirty Hand is here.  This is the part SB is referencing.  So far we have either 2 or 3 different Dirty Hands depending on what you think.   Stay tuned.

[dkpen]

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 4:55 pm
If cowboys see dirty hand, many teepees fall. House of Babylon falls.
we must have a sacrifice to feed the cowboys.
they go back to the fort with no loot.

The next time Shango mentions Dirty Hand it is spelled with lower case letters.  I have often thought that was because Shango was typing quickly and just did not capitalize the two words.  If that isn't the case then this is a second dirty hand.  There are those that think this is a reference to a totally different person.  Stay tuned.

If cowboys see dirty hand

So this is saying that the FBI or American's or investigators have not seen dirty hand? This person is behind the scene.

[klaasend]

Lala's - who of all the people in the last 2 years have we not been able to see???
 

LOREZNO

[San]

Lala's - who of all the people in the last 2 years have we not been able to see???
 

LOREZNO

So if we see him physically we will know he is involved.

[Lala'sMom]

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 5:39 pm
Every tribe has bad Indians
Every fort has bad cowboys
If sirens sing a poison song, all will get sick
Arawaks and cowboys working well
Arawaks fear wrath of cowboys for DirtyHand
But babylonians live in teepees too
If the house of babylon is to remain erect, it must protect the babylonians who have lived in teepees, among the arawaks, for a long time.
babylon will agree to a sacrifice of newer teepee dwellers to prevent the story of dirtyhand being made public
Dirtyhand scares arawaks too
the sacrifice will be the correct sacrifice to appease the gods and cowboys
cowboys will leave without loot

Notice that Shango is using the proper noun version here minus the Arawak reference.  Also just what is to fear from the cowboys that is worse than Dirty Hand?  I think maybe the fact that they will lose all their livelihoods such as the money and tourism.  

Then Shango says that the "newer teepee dwellers" can be sacrificed in order to keep dirty hand (small letters, again) from being discovered.  Who has the power to scare the Arawaks too?  Before you answer you must decide who you think are the Arawaks...the ALE or the native Arubans.  Think of it both ways and see which seems to fit.  Stay tuned.

[Lala'sMom]

Lala's - who of all the people in the last 2 years have we not been able to see???
 

LOREZNO

I see I am making you monkeys think tonight.  

[JusticeforNatalee]

Boston Protest Update from Richard:


I also want to point out that one of our members has heard from ... shall we say, a prominent member of the Aruban community ... that either Prime Minister Nelson Oduber or Rudy Croes, minister of tourism, will be showing up for the Boston Globe Travel Show.

Don't hold me to this ... but if the information is accurate, the source who provided it is in a position to know.

My fear is that such an official would show up on Friday, when the event is open only to registered tourism professionals (whatever that means).  Unfortunately, that is the lowest day for protesters, according to what I've heard.

So please join us in Boston, and let us know.  The moderator can forward messages.  Stand up for Natalee!  (Particularly on Friday!)

[San]

Lala's - who of all the people in the last 2 years have we not been able to see???
 

LOREZNO

So if we see him physically we will know he is involved.

He looks exactly like someone.

[klaasend]

Lala's - who of all the people in the last 2 years have we not been able to see???
 

LOREZNO

I see I am making you monkeys think tonight.  

Now if you can just make us spell correctly, lol

LORENZO

[dkpen]

Lala's - who of all the people in the last 2 years have we not been able to see???
 

LOREZNO

Posner is pretty invisable also.

[Tibrogargan]

Lala's - who of all the people in the last 2 years have we not been able to see???
 

LOREZNO

I see I am making you monkeys think tonight.  

Now if you can just make us spell correctly, lol

LORENZO

We are expected to work on cryptic puzzles and spell correctly at the same time?  

[San]

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 5:39 pm
Every tribe has bad Indians
Every fort has bad cowboys
If sirens sing a poison song, all will get sick
Arawaks and cowboys working well
Arawaks fear wrath of cowboys for DirtyHand
But babylonians live in teepees too
If the house of babylon is to remain erect, it must protect the babylonians who have lived in teepees, among the arawaks, for a long time.
babylon will agree to a sacrifice of newer teepee dwellers to prevent the story of dirtyhand being made public
Dirtyhand scares arawaks too
the sacrifice will be the correct sacrifice to appease the gods and cowboys
cowboys will leave without loot

Notice that Shango is using the proper noun version here minus the Arawak reference.  Also just what is to fear from the cowboys that is worse than Dirty Hand?  I think maybe the fact that they will lose all their livelihoods such as the money and tourism.  

Then Shango says that the "newer teepee dwellers" can be sacrificed in order to keep dirty hand (small letters, again) from being discovered.  Who has the power to scare the Arawaks too?  Before you answer you must decide who you think are the Arawaks...the ALE or the native Arubans.  Think of it both ways and see which seems to fit.  Stay tuned.

Who are sirens they are referencing  Isn't that a woman?  Are they saying Natalee was poisoned?  Are they saying all will get sick if they find out what they did to her.

[Tibrogargan]

Lala's - who of all the people in the last 2 years have we not been able to see???
 

LOREZNO

So if we see him physically we will know he is involved.

He looks exactly like someone.

I expect that eveyone has decided it was not Lorenzo at the casino that night instead of Paulus?  Too young??

[Lala'sMom]

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 5:54 pm
The Arawaks are not going to sacrifice a scapegoat
Babylon needs to allow one sacrifice to keep DirtyHand hidden
Babylon scared of DirtyHand
Arawaks scared of DirtyHand
If sacrifice is made, teepees are safe, villagers and cowboys happy
If DirtyHand discovered, House of Babylon falls, Teepees crushed under great house
Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 5:58 pm
Arawaks want to make cowboys happy
Babylonians want to maintain integrity of Great House
Gods of the cowboys know there was a game in the great house,
and so DirtyHand was discovered
But the sacrifice will be offered before dirty hand sings
He will return to babylon, broken but anonymous

This section is really interesting because Shango is on a roll with Dirty Hand.  Babylon (you must decide what you think is Babylon or the Babylonians, the Dutch or the Casino people) is scared of Dirty Hand.  If you choose the Dutch, that means that the Dutch and the ALE are afraid of Dirty Hand  OR  the Dutch and Arubans are afraid of this person.  OR the Casino Owners and the ALE are afraid of him OR  Arubans and Casino Owners are afraid.  It is a matter of what you think, actually.  I think the Babylon reference is about the Dutch, although, Babylon was really what is now Iraq.  

As you read on down the post, you find that Shango claims that Dirty Hand has been found.  He was found by the Gods of the Cowboys.  This could mean the FBI OR some other U. S. government  entity such as NSA,CIA OR that the Gods of the Cowboys know that this whole thing was involving a game of chance in the casino that started all this.  Notice how Shango uses the term Great House as a proper noun at first.  

Have I confused everyone so far?  Stay tuned.