Lively Case Discussion #617 5/10 - 5/11/2007

[blah]

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But Croes had a pocket full of "hush money"

He paid that kid $100 to lead the family to the van der sloots rather than the Kalpoes house.  The description Beth had was of the Kalpoe car, Croes hands the kid $100, raps with him in papiamento for a few minutes or whatever and they are off to the Sloot dump.  Why is that?  Is it because Paulus wanted to control the situation and he would have completely lost control if the posse showed up at the Kalpoe house and Nadira answered the door?

Blah
I think Beth had a description of Joran, the car he was in the back seat of with Natalee and maybe a name (Joarn, Uran, U Ron)
Why CC offered them money ???  Maybe he thought he could be of real help...The pepole that got him involved. I do not know.

But I think Paulis would have been tickled pink if Beth went to the Kalpoes 1st and did not make it to his house until later on  Tuesday.

you could be right, CC might have known nothing that first night.

But he sure did lie for the sloots afterwards....

[oldfart]

It looks like the car at the Painted Rocks has Black rocker pannel trim & the one in the drive way does not..

Hard to tell shadows.

[Tamikosmom]

Charles Croes said he got a call from a major friend of his that night.  Who does everyone think his major friend was.  Who tipped Charles off.

Vocking.  Sloot and Vocking have a history of covering up crimes.

Sloot called Vocking in right off that bat and got the ball rolling on the cover-up just like they did in the Mathews case(or whatever the guy in prisons names was)

Vocking called Croes in to buy some time and lead the family on a wild goose chase until they could get Natalee out of the sloot dump/compound the night Beth arrived.  Vocking was the director, at least in the very beginning.

Makes sense Blah.  In the beginning I always thought it was a person in the United States that called Charles and asked him to help friends of his out.  Of course I have since changed my mind and now we know it was someone in Aruba that called Charles to ask for his help and create a diversion that night.

I see the events of that  night in a very different way than you San I am not sure who called CC  that night and who is that "very major friend" but I don't feel that he was called with any diverson in mind, because that was not what happened. If a diversion were the desired effect, then he would not have brought the posse to the Sloot place within hours of their arrival but rather days later. I look at the help requested of CC by the frien as the help needed to locate the missing Natalee and more specifically the 3 guys she was last seen with.

WHO IS THE MAJOR FRIEND?

I suspect that the "major friend" is Eric Williams (DEA) .

At 11:00 PM the Twittys go directly to the Holiday Inn from the airport where they meet up with Paul Lily (Chaperone) and Eric Williams (DEA). I would assume that Beth would have told Eric Williams (DEA) about the message she suspected was left by Natalee on the cell of one of the MB students.  I estimate that it would have been approximately 11:30 PM when Eric Williams (DEA) contacted Charles Croes ... the time Charles Croes claimed he received a call from a "Major Friend".

Janet


Beth Twitty
NANCY GRACE

GRACE: So what time did you get to the Holiday Inn?

B. TWITTY: Probably about 11:00 p.m. on the 30th.


Beth Twitty
NANCY GRACE
 
B. TWITTY: Luckily we were met at the airport by three Aruban citizens who were very helpful for us that night, and we went to the Holiday Inn.

GRACE: Where she had been. And what happened?

B. TWITTY: Well, we were met by the DEA Eric Williams (ph) and Paul Lilly (ph).


Charles Croes
On the Record w/ Greta

VAN SUSTEREN: Charles, take me back to May 30th, which is several hours after Natalee missed her flight. How did you first get wind of the fact that Beth Holloway Twitty (search) was looking for her daughter?

CHARLES CROES, TALKED TO DUTCH SUSPECT: A major friend of mine called me up. He was working with Natalee's mom to help them find Natalee.

VAN SUSTEREN: Why would he call you? What is your occupation that would be a reason he would call you?

C. CROES: Well, I have a sail (cell) rental company. And there was apparently a phone call made. And he was calling me betting or hoping that the phone call was made from one of our phones, and so that's why he called me.

VAN SUSTEREN: About what time did he call you?

C. CROES: He called me at 11:30.

[Tamikosmom]

Charles Croes said he got a call from a major friend of his that night.  Who does everyone think his major friend was.  Who tipped Charles off.

Vocking.  Sloot and Vocking have a history of covering up crimes.

Sloot called Vocking in right off that bat and got the ball rolling on the cover-up just like they did in the Mathews case(or whatever the guy in prisons names was)

Vocking called Croes in to buy some time and lead the family on a wild goose chase until they could get Natalee out of the sloot dump/compound the night Beth arrived.  Vocking was the director, at least in the very beginning.

Makes sense Blah.  In the beginning I always thought it was a person in the United States that called Charles and asked him to help friends of his out.  Of course I have since changed my mind and now we know it was someone in Aruba that called Charles to ask for his help and create a diversion that night.

I see the events of that  night in a very different way than you San I am not sure who called CC  that night and who is that "very major friend" but I don't feel that he was called with any diverson in mind, because that was not what happened. If a diversion were the desired effect, then he would not have brought the posse to the Sloot place within hours of their arrival but rather days later. I look at the help requested of CC by the frien as the help needed to locate the missing Natalee and more specifically the 3 guys she was last seen with.

WHO IS THE MAJOR FRIEND?

I suspect that the "major friend" is Eric Williams (DEA) .

At 11:00 PM the Twittys go directly to the Holiday Inn from the airport where they meet up with Paul Lily (Chaperone) and Eric Williams (DEA). I would assume that Beth would have told Eric Williams (DEA) about the message she suspected was left by Natalee on the cell of one of the MB students.  I estimate that it would have been approximately 11:30 PM when Eric Williams (DEA) contacted Charles Croes ... the time Charles Croes claimed he received a call from a "Major Friend".

Janet


Beth Twitty
NANCY GRACE

GRACE: So what time did you get to the Holiday Inn?

B. TWITTY: Probably about 11:00 p.m. on the 30th.


Beth Twitty
NANCY GRACE
 
B. TWITTY: Luckily we were met at the airport by three Aruban citizens who were very helpful for us that night, and we went to the Holiday Inn.

GRACE: Where she had been. And what happened?

B. TWITTY: Well, we were met by the DEA Eric Williams (ph) and Paul Lilly (ph).


Charles Croes
On the Record w/ Greta

VAN SUSTEREN: Charles, take me back to May 30th, which is several hours after Natalee missed her flight. How did you first get wind of the fact that Beth Holloway Twitty (search) was looking for her daughter?

CHARLES CROES, TALKED TO DUTCH SUSPECT: A major friend of mine called me up. He was working with Natalee's mom to help them find Natalee.

VAN SUSTEREN: Why would he call you? What is your occupation that would be a reason he would call you?

C. CROES: Well, I have a sail (cell) rental company. And there was apparently a phone call made. And he was calling me betting or hoping that the phone call was made from one of our phones, and so that's why he called me.

VAN SUSTEREN: About what time did he call you?

C. CROES: He called me at 11:30.

[blah]

[quote="Anna
Much as I hate to agree with Blah.......[/quote]


OHHHHHHHH
now that ones gonna leave a mark !!!

 

[Anna]

you better go into CAMO mode like this  

thanks for the tip, I didnt realize she was color blind

 

but but but but...we love Anna  

 

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Let's get off this page, those blown margins are making me seasick!

.

[oldfart]

<<Snip>>
But Croes had a pocket full of "hush money"

He paid that kid $100 to lead the family to the van der sloots rather than the Kalpoes house.  The description Beth had was of the Kalpoe car, Croes hands the kid $100, raps with him in papiamento for a few minutes or whatever and they are off to the Sloot dump.  Why is that?  Is it because Paulus wanted to control the situation and he would have completely lost control if the posse showed up at the Kalpoe house and Nadira answered the door?

Blah
I think Beth had a description of Joran, the car he was in the back seat of with Natalee and maybe a name (Joarn, Uran, U Ron)
Why CC offered them money ???  Maybe he thought he could be of real help...The pepole that got him involved. I do not know.

But I think Paulis would have been tickled pink if Beth went to the Kalpoes 1st and did not make it to his house until later on  Tuesday.

you could be right, CC might have known nothing that first night.

But he sure did lie for the sloots afterwards....

 LIE..  How?  

Not get involved & push the issue or tell the truth... YUP could be.  they all do according to Mamma K.

[Kermit]

[San]

WHO IS THE MAJOR FRIEND?

I suspect that the "major friend" is Eric Williams (DEA) .

At 11:00 PM the Twittys go directly to the Holiday Inn from the airport where they meet up with Paul Lily (Chaperone) and Eric Williams (DEA). I would assume that Beth would have told Eric Williams (DEA) about the message she suspected was left by Natalee on the cell of one of the MB students.  I estimate that it would have been approximately 11:30 PM when Eric Williams (DEA) contacted Charles Croes ... the time Charles Croes claimed he received a call from a "Major Friend".

Janet


Beth Twitty
NANCY GRACE

GRACE: So what time did you get to the Holiday Inn?

B. TWITTY: Probably about 11:00 p.m. on the 30th.


Beth Twitty
NANCY GRACE
 
B. TWITTY: Luckily we were met at the airport by three Aruban citizens who were very helpful for us that night, and we went to the Holiday Inn.

GRACE: Where she had been. And what happened?

B. TWITTY: Well, we were met by the DEA Eric Williams (ph) and Paul Lilly (ph).


Charles Croes
On the Record w/ Greta

VAN SUSTEREN: Charles, take me back to May 30th, which is several hours after Natalee missed her flight. How did you first get wind of the fact that Beth Holloway Twitty (search) was looking for her daughter?

CHARLES CROES, TALKED TO DUTCH SUSPECT: A major friend of mine called me up. He was working with Natalee's mom to help them find Natalee.

VAN SUSTEREN: Why would he call you? What is your occupation that would be a reason he would call you?

C. CROES: Well, I have a sail (cell) rental company. And there was apparently a phone call made. And he was calling me betting or hoping that the phone call was made from one of our phones, and so that's why he called me.

VAN SUSTEREN: About what time did he call you?

C. CROES: He called me at 11:30.

Thank you Tamikosmom.

[oldfart]

THanks  TamI

Hope you get over the Hic-ups  too

[Tylergal]

Rudy Croes and Charles Croes related?? Anybody Know?

They are all related.  They all swim in the same gene pool and sleep with each other's women.  Don't you remember Joran told us in his book that every girl does it with her boyfriend's friends and they all do it with their girlfriend's friends and he later goes on to say that a virgin at age 12 is somone who has not found her way out of the house yet.

[blah]

LIE..  How?  

Not get involved & push the issue or tell the truth... YUP could be.  they all do according to Mamma K.

I think it was an interview with Greta and also a PV (trying to go from memory).  I havent followed the case very closely the last several months so its gonna take me a little while to find this....

[oldfart]

Thanks Kermit...

It appears that the bottom car has black Mirrors  the one at the beach has matching color mirrors

JMO

[Tibrogargan]

Car at the rocks has same coloured door pillar, while other car has black door pillar.

Also car parked in driveway with door open looks to me like a van/4WD rather than a sedan car.

[Tylergal]

Hello Monkeys,
I am also in a less than happy mood after reading the latest chapter in the drivel written by blobhead.
Some observations on my part:
Why is it such a matter of interest that Natalee wore a short skirt when most of the pictures we see from Aruba show girls barely covered by minute scraps of fabric.
If even a seasoned drinker had consumed that many alcoholic beverages in the couple of days and especially on that particular day, they would have been incapable of sitting upright on that seat at the casino table, let alone being able to dance at CnC's later in the evening.
On the subject of switching the cars for the forensic testing and/or re-enactment, one of the monkeys earlier had a suggestion that I had not thought of before and that was that the car used to kidnap Natalee was not Deepak's car but a substitute one.   Good theory.

Skirts made it more difficult for rapists like Joran so he gets mad about skirts.  He is accustomed to nearly or totally naked women from Aruba, sleezy looking, with barely nothing and even the old women wear see-through blouses.  Old fluffahs.

[blah]

heres the 1st interview with Greta, the part about "our phone" is interesting, does he have a partner?:


VAN SUSTEREN: Charles, take me back to May 30th, which is several hours after Natalee missed her flight. How did you first get wind of the fact that Beth Holloway Twitty (search) was looking for her daughter?

CHARLES CROES, TALKED TO DUTCH SUSPECT: A major friend of mine called me up. He was working with Natalee's mom to help them find Natalee.

VAN SUSTEREN: Why would he call you? What is your occupation that would be a reason he would call you?

C. CROES: Well, I have a sail rental company. And there was apparently a phone call made. And he was calling me betting or hoping that the phone call was made from one of our phones, and so that's why he called me.

VAN SUSTEREN: About what time did he call you?

C. CROES: He called me at 11:30.

VAN SUSTEREN: What did he say to you?

C. CROES: He told me that he needed my help. And I asked him what it was about. And he told me that it had to do something with a cell phone. And I didn't relate it to anything but work at that point.

And then he said, "There is a possibility that a phone call was made using one of our phones." And I said, "OK." And he said, "It's very, very important." I said, "Fine," and I asked him to go into further details, and he did. And then I made arrangements to go see him.

VAN SUSTEREN: When you got to the gas station, did you talk to Beth?

C. CROES: Yes.

VAN SUSTEREN: Did Beth have any idea at that point, as far as you knew, who her daughter had been seen with or who she had last been known to be with?

C. CROES: Yes.

VAN SUSTEREN: What did she tell you?

C. CROES: Specifically, she told me that her daughter went to Carlos and Charlie's, and that, while there, she had met up with a young guy and asked him to take her home, and that she got into a small silver or gray car that had a large exhaust on the back and tinted windows, and had left.

VAN SUSTEREN: Did she have names for any of these people or just

[Tylergal]

Charles Croes said he got a call from a major friend of his that night.  Who does everyone think his major friend was.  Who tipped Charles off.

the major friend made the mistake of telling him and not the Holloway's or Twitty's

I agree.  I'm just throwing this out there.  Who owns the company that Charles provides cell phone service for?

he owns the company... Oduber controls it!!!

Exactly what I wanted to hear.

By this time Oduber knows about the phone call so guess who he called that night.

Wasn't Oduber the one in the US that could have been a friend of Charles Croes, who was called after someone from McWayne called to state she was missing. . . thinking that since they did business with Aruba, Oduber would be fair.  Little did they know what an island full of scuzz this really was.

[Observer]

No I dont think it is. The back window is different and also the stripe.. I beleave the car in front of freddys house looks quite a bit like the car at the rocks. (The picture at the rocks has very dark shades)

[oldfart]

LIE..  How?  

Not get involved & push the issue or tell the truth... YUP could be.  they all do according to Mamma K.

I think it was an interview with Greta and also a PV (trying to go from memory).  I havent followed the case very closely the last several months so its gonna take me a little while to find this....

Blah
I'm not    with you... Not telling what you know is not a lie.
Not sure which is worse.(leaning towards the lie) . but not the same in my book.

JMO

[San]

Rudy Croes and Charles Croes related?? Anybody Know?

They are all related.  They all swim in the same gene pool and sleep with each other's women.  Don't you remember Joran told us in his book that every girl does it with her boyfriend's friends and they all do it with their girlfriend's friends and he later goes on to say that a virgin at age 12 is somone who has not found her way out of the house yet.

Unbelievable.  What a monster.  If he had the opportunity he would have drugged this 12 year old girl too.