Natalee Case Discussion #793 1/13/09 - 1/18/09

[texasmom]

Not a very good translation at all, but I think it means the new PG will investigate Rudy Croes claims against Van der Straten.  If someone could help with the translation, I would really appreciate it!

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pg will owing to cuminsa one investigacion informativo on acusacionnan of rudy croes  during conferencia of prensa semanal of faction avp, arthur dowers owing to comenta cu at instant cu minister of husticia owing to give indicacion cu sr. van der straten will was meti in owing to deal of stroba y sconde this after in the caso of natalee holloway, this owing to wordo cuestiona in parliament y owing to mustre cu the is one minister of husticia iresponsabel because do not believe cu one autoridad maximo of husticia of one country can haci one declaracion of the form descabeya so without cu the have sufficient proof. according dowers if the minister will had some indicacion earnest or proof, past will have to owing to acudi at ministerio publico y give instruccion for cuminsa one feitenonderzoek. hour the member of parliament owing to haci minister question on this, the minister owing to deny of contesta if the had cualkier indicacion earnest for her acusacionnan cu past owing to haci. past owing to tell if in parliament cu sr. van der straten owing to molesti’e by cu past owing to haci cierto declaracionnan for thing is deal maneho of husticia at aruba. because; cu past owing to sinti’e fastioso by of esey the hour ey past owing to achieve is good for acusa van der straten because the also wanted owing to molesti’e. esey was the respues cu rudy croes owing to give arthur dowers in parliament y owing to agrega cu the do not give more informacion. member of parliament of avp can owing to compronde week happen cu the minister owing to wordo suplica for procurador general for her not talk more y also cu pg will owing to cuminsa cu one investigacion informativo if the acusacionnan here have base. dowers is lamenta cu the minister of husticia here owing to cause one damage extremely big at country aruba by of owing to throw the acusacionnan here in one form descabeya y after can owing to see cu politiconan opportunist derechista y fundamentalista owing to piki esakinan y owing to hibanan till in medionan of comunicacion internacional. also the is lamenta cu none member of parliament of mep owing to reclama the minister here in parliament for thing past owing to haci.

[texasmom]

Goodnight 2NJ, and wreck!   

[texasmom]

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mother of miss aruba dianne croes owing to fayece posiblemente owing to cause of dengue

yesterday owing to enter the tristo news cu mother of we miss aruba, dianne croes owing to fayece posiblemente debi at dengue, but this will have to wordo confirma still dentro of 2 for 3 week. is deal of madam angelica croes of barely 53 year cu was live at paradera y because; profesion the was juffrouw of scol at colegio san hose at santa cruz. awemainta can owing to compronde cu the family had plannan big for trip together y so give dianne all the sosten necesario during his participacion in miss universe. the father, that is acolyte of cuerpo policial y cu can cierto also is sufriendo of kebrante of salud, will owing to descend cu vervroegd pensioen y together cu his casa will have to was in the salon caminda the certamen of miss universe will take lugar at las vegas. instancianan of salubridad publico owing to give of conoce cu still not can confirma cu sra. angelica owing to fayece debi at dengue, already cu testnan in exterior have to wordo realiza for confirma this, y the can tarda among two for three week. awemainta is convivi cu the dolor of dianne y his family y is send palabrana of forza y condolencia for all family croes cu the perdida of they being keri.

Wow, does this say that Miss Aruba's mother who was 53 died from the dengue?  How sad.  Small island to have this become an issue.  I know they have had dengue problems in the past.

That's how I understand it Klaas, will not be confirmed for 2-3 weeks; I guess more tests to be sure that was the cause.  That is very sad. 

[texasmom]

This is more about the Front Page story...

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dengue owing to cuminsa cobra life of victima at aruba have to keep among two for three week for achieve confirmacion yesterday owing to convoca one conferencia of prensa urgente at departamento of salud publico for atende the exercise of dengue, mirando cu fayecimento of one madam posiblemente owing to cause of dengue owing to arise all one conmocion at we island. is deal here of madam angelica croes, live at paradera y mother of we miss aruba dianne croes.durante the conferencia owing to indica cu yesterday marduga one madam owing to fayece y cu is one caso sospechoso of dengue. till at the momentonan here departamento of salud not owing to achieve the confirmacion, because have to haci cierto testnan. by of this will have to keep 2 for 3 week for achieve the resultadonan. sra. koolman, boss of the departamento of malesanan contagioso owing to indica cu they owing to achieve much call yesterday debi at the caso here among another. the is indica cu hour have casonan sospechoso y confirma of dengue they're haci bishitanan at home for busca more informacion of pakico the person owing to wordo contagia. near of this is informa gkmb for they can haci they work.di november for now owing to haci various visit at home, owing to let various carta behind at casnan pidiendo for take contacto cu the departamento, but the hendenan not was reacciona. but yesterday, after cu the news owing to leave cu problablemente one person will owing to fayece of dengue, of trip the personanan owing to cuminsa calling y tell cu they owing to achieve the carta. sra. koolman is believe cu is good cu hendenan owing to reacciona, but they have to owing to reacciona previous to y not keep till algo more important happen. if the meldingnan enter as have to is can take pasonan y evita situacionnan more important. in the caso of the madam cu owing to fayece, the melding owing to enter till yesterday morning for of hospital hour past owing to fayece end.gkmb owing to indica of his near cu they owing to come is haci controlnan, is let avisonan at cierto casnan y owing to come is fumigando in various area part nightfall for night. also saturday they're bishitando the casnan cu was close during week. near of esakinan they're much bezig cu informacion tocante dengue via various medionan. sr. cristiaans of gkmb is tell cu is regrettable cu at much of the casnan still is achieve much criadero. once more owing to ask comunidad for check rond of cas, haci cas clean, not let water stop, because without aid of comunidad they not can.wilmer salazar, doctor of salubridad publico papiando of the caso of the madam cu owing to fayece posiblemente debi at dengue, owing to tell cu owing to visit cas of the madam for achieve informacion y owing to come achieve know cu the madam for of diaranson week happen had sintomanan of kentura, but none sangramento y niether none sintoma of alarma or alerta. monday past will owing to arise one some mihor y inclusive past owing to bay work y yesterday past owing to present one shock y owing to die. today will realiza autopsia of the curpa of the madam cu had 53 year of edad. the material of the autopsia will wordo send for one laboratory of investigacion in exterior for detecta if provided that berdad the madam had dengue or cualkier another ailment cu can owing to complica. all the time have to menciona cu casa of the madam also is bad y the is under control medico caminda cu the pasonan necesario owing to wordo take end. informacionnan cu awemainta owing to achieve for of one fountain of departamento of salud is indica cu gkmb at the momentonan here not have material for combati dengue, cu all the quimiconan owing to end y owing to pesar cu is deal of one situation much alarming, minister booshi wever (ainda) does not company for busca the material here.

[texasmom]

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(Date at top of article is from June 2007, I didn't see anything in yesterday's paper concerning this; maybe I missed it or maybe it's an old article....but found some things in the article interesting so I thought I'd put it out here)

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question cu is being haci what is clase of “screening” had of the mericanonan paul owing to. moore y fred gillman that owing to percura for they permission?
after of the publicacion of yesterday, cu have 2 caso in corte at merca encuanto of one caso of fraude, cu can cause problem earnest at the aruban resort and casino, is much reaccion we of awemainta owing to achieve. one of the questions cu we redaccion owing to achieve is, what is clase of “screening” y that owing to haci the “screening” of the personanan cu owing to enter aruba for cumpra the hotel y casino, bao of name of kli resort development. the socionan, paul owing to. moore y fred gillman owing to resulta of is two boef very big self, y is just they two owing to amarga life of much employee of dicho hotel, mandando aruban cas y for place they mericanonan work the.o. in departamento of throw of timeshare. after of the publicacion, much t’e reaccionnan cu owing to enter of part of the “bond-holdernan”, bao of cua have incluso some fundacion aruban, kendenan owing to lose very coin end. day cu the.o. the bond-holdernan of the aruban resort & casino owing to reuni, cu the inversionistanan new here, they owing to tell, cu they not can pay nothing the instant ey, but for give they one period of 5 year for work cu the coin, for after cuminsa pay bek, but without none clase of interest. con this can was possible, without cu banco central was know this, cu as menciona, is one tactica of mafia. the hendenan here owing to mafia very person one cantidad of coin y today, debi at they diferencianan, will not go back y the hotel y casino here is condena at close his portanan proximamente, because is that is bay dirigi the hotel y casino here? for of hendenan at aruba, kendenan cu owing to become victima of the modus operandi mafioso here, is culpa the.o. gobierno actual, mencionando name of minister of husticia, rudy croes y of minister of dimas, drs. booshi wever p’e calamidad here. they departamentonan, cu have to owing to haci one mihor evaluacion of the hendenan here, “wowo” close owing to dijes company “bij ‘t kruisje”, y today can see the consecuencia here. another cuestionamento in the caso here is, kico the curator his paper self was in the caso here? have even voznan is arise cu ministerio publico “ambtshalve” have to let haci one investigacion of all the form con the “benta” of the hotel y casino, cu today we conoce because; the aruban resort y key largo casino. have indicacion of much iregularidad, y as the denuncianan cu we is hayando at we redaccion, not can permiti cu the hendenan here leave without castigo, where the.o. one cantidad of bondholder is cla for reclama they coin, cu they owing to inverti. one caso assure much earnest, y cu can spite name of aruba also internacionalmente.

[texasmom]

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Papiamentu translation:

will give boet of immediate at all esnan cu stay deteni ministerio publico is sostene zero tolerancia of polis: abort for achieve cu satisfaccion ministerio publico did take notice of the mature cu the cantidad of incidente caminda owing to comete hechonan castigable, owing to stay limita during fakkeloptocht. ministerio publico is haci one call at comunidad for follow in the liñea here y for not spite the gladness of carnaval cu destruccionnan, violencia y another comportacion inaceptable. for promove one carnaval exitoso, police owing to anuncia end the maneho of zero tolerancia. ministerio publico owing to dicidi for sostene the zero tolerancia of police cu his own maneho abort do you achieve (“lik op stuk-beleid”). esey wanted mean cu everybody cu wordo deteni for delitonan simple during carnaval, will achieve one boet self hour. if the boet here wordo pay, then the caso will stay termina. if the not wordo pay, then the person will achieve one citacion for her tratamento of 2 of april future. claro cu if person stay without pay the boet, the exigencia of castigo during the tratamento will is more high. if a comete hechonan castigable earnest, then have to as cuenta cu the will wordo deteni y posiblemente stay close. the hour ey can forget numa on participacion at carnaval. ministerio publico is much preocupa tocante the usage excesivo of alcohol during carnaval. the call here is also ensera one limitacion on the usage of alcohol. in majority of incidente is alcohol is motibo of perdida of tino y of control, cu all consecuencia cu this is trece cune. alcohol is spite more cu are you believe. not let alcohol perhudica carnaval of you y of you sernan keri.

[Edward]

Buckeye
   Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
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Just a couple comments before bed:

After looking at pictures, we decided it was not Comemencia on the Persistence.

Jossy's brother is not on the Dairio board.  I believe that Louis is Jossy's son.

Oduber did go after Jossy and called for a  boycott of the paper.  I'm not so sure everyone is afraid of him.


Mansur is known for his weekly editorials which are often critical of the local government of Prime Minister Nelson Oduber. The ongoing disagreement between Mansur and Oduber dates back many years. During the election campaign in 2001, Oduber's party even had stickers made stating "Don’t believe Diario."

In 1999 Jossy Mansur and his brother Luis Mansur sued the Netherlands government before the United Nations Human Rights Committee.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jossy_Mansur

Arrests in Aruba September 24, 2007

Today in Aruba, some 120 police officers from ALE, KLPD, Antillean Arrest Team and Dutch investigators arrested Luis Mansur, brother of Jossy Mansur and 8 other persons in connection with money laundering, drug trafficking, bribery and other charges.

One of the suspects is the well-known businessman Luis Mansur (63)

in another case..
The suit alleges that Ezell's and Podhurst Orseck's errors in the case allowed the investment managers of the property, brothers Luis and Elias Mansur, to abscond with the profits from the island's $15 million sale in May 2004.

The plaintiffs have "clearly been damaged," their attorney, Daniel Koch, of Koch & Trushin in Fort Lauderdale, Fla., said in an interview.

where is all the money ? Con Artists !!
http://www.law.com/jsp/article.jsp?id=1148547934537

Luis & Sara Masur own the Casino.and "sold" the LaCabana into timeshares.. Jossy is Luis's Brother.
if you look closely .. it a long term Lease Deal they have with the Aruban Govt.on the land and with the Timeshare owners.
They are very "Slick" ;^)
SandraK 


Wednesday afternoon as the restyled and dramatic pool was re-introduced at La Cabana an important transfer of assets was taking place downtown at the office of Civil Law Notary Bodeker. Developers Luis Mansur & Sara Mansur transferred ownership of the real estate assets to 15.000 on-island/off-island owners, the time share members of the resort.
http://www.visitaruba.com/facts/newsdesk/backissues/newsletter50.html


As already mentioned, Luis Mansur is sentenced to 7 years’ imprisonment instead of 10 as demanded by the OM. The judge said that Mansur acted as if the dealing in drugs was very normal.

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Papiamentu translation:

choler is ofrece tourist for cumpra drugs monday nightfall, in careda of 6 or, two tourist cu owing to end of leave of one bar is ask asistencia of police, because; cu one choler owing to send they cu boter. hour cu they owing to talk cu police they owing to declara cu one choler owing to ask about they for cumpra drugs. hour cu they owing to deny, the choler owing to angry y owing to send they cu boter. they owing to give police descripcion of the choler. police owing to busca in becindario, y not owing to come across cune. but police owing to come across cu one another choler j.e. that also is sell drugs y owing to core cune for of the sitio.

[texasmom]

 

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Papiamentu translation:

again ladronnan is enter in bedroom of hotel presencia of strand-politie owing to wordo ask monday 9’or of night, at one highrise hotel, where one tourist owing to achieve two man desconoci in his bedroom. n’e sitio police is talk cu one tourist muher of 40 year, that is tell police cu hour cu past owing to enter in his bedroom past owing to come across cu two man desconoci dress at black in his bedroom. hour cu they owing to mire, they owing to fly for of the window of three floor y disparce. they owing to bay cu one laptop y one i-phone cu they owing to let cay on vlur. the tourist owing to tell police cu past owing to see one his cara good very well. past owing to tell cu they owing to bay cu 300 dollar y also one another i-phone. the caso is in investigacion.

[billb's daughter]

Kermit,
I know this may not be a popular view,
But do we know that kyle was not just making drama to promote a sale of his pics/rov video to the highest network bidder? As far as I have read, there is no evidence that clearly points to Natalee's (or anyone else) remains was in the cage.  Yes, I know there is probable cause to suspect something is amiss wrt the persistence search, but without due process of potential evidence recovered from the cage, there is no way to ascertain the contents of the cage.
I think what kyle did was despicable, and what persistence did by asking for contributions in the name of Justice for Natalee was/is despicable,  but without evidence, that is all we have, nothing more. Is it, or is it not Natalee? We can't know, based on the info provided to date.
Pursuing the human trafficking angle may be all we have at the moment, and I hope JQK can push it forward. Another angle may be whatever Peter DV's comes up with in his next segment.....greta, where are you?......

[texasmom]

Hi billb!  Good to see you!   

[billb's daughter]

Goodnight texasmom, Icehawk and 0 Guests are viewing this topic.
OK...forget the guests....
Hi TM and Icehawk.....so where do you get the Icehawk label?

[billb's daughter]

Hi billb!  Good to see you!   

You 2 TM....
I always arrive when most are in their Monkey bunkeys....

[billb's daughter]

Hi billb!  Good to see you!   

I've seen PI here a few times, and some have said Hi to him....any response from PI to the Hi's?
I think he wants to say something....just waiting for the right time.......

[texasmom]

Hi billb!  Good to see you!   

I've seen PI here a few times, and some have said Hi to him....any response from PI to the Hi's?
I think he wants to say something....just waiting for the right time.......

No comments from PI yet...sniff...sniff.  I hope you're right.  Janet and I were afraid we skeered him with my hi's and her big hugs so we're going to be really quiet and only give hi's after he says hello, and hugs when he asks for them from now on...

[texasmom]

Cageman,
I've been very curious since your comment about being involved in forensics.  Have you seen the pictures that were reportedly taken by the ROV on board the Persistence?  If so, would you be willing to share your thoughts on the photos?  If you're not comfortable doing so for any reason I understand.  I would just like to know your opinion if you are willing to share it.

Thanks in advance.

tm

[billb's daughter]

Hi billb!  Good to see you!   

I've seen PI here a few times, and some have said Hi to him....any response from PI to the Hi's?
I think he wants to say something....just waiting for the right time.......

No comments from PI yet...sniff...sniff.  I hope you're right.  Janet and I were afraid we skeered him with my hi's and her big hugs so we're going to be really quiet and only give hi's after he says hello, and hugs when he asks for them from now on...

You know TM, I KTF.....PI will post when he is ready.....he visits because he wants to let us know what is in the mix, but the timing may just not be right....The point is...PI (I hope I am not overstepping PI..It is not my intent) is viewing here because he knows SM is here for Justice for Natalee.....SM/Red/Klaas and way too many Monkeys to mention (they don't need mention-they need Justice for Natalee).
I (along with all esteemed colleagues/Monkeys) STAND WITH THE GIRL!!!
 

[texasmom]

Hi billb!  Good to see you!   

I've seen PI here a few times, and some have said Hi to him....any response from PI to the Hi's?
I think he wants to say something....just waiting for the right time.......

No comments from PI yet...sniff...sniff.  I hope you're right.  Janet and I were afraid we skeered him with my hi's and her big hugs so we're going to be really quiet and only give hi's after he says hello, and hugs when he asks for them from now on...

You know TM, I KTF.....PI will post when he is ready.....he visits because he wants to let us know what is in the mix, but the timing may just not be right....The point is...PI (I hope I am not overstepping PI..It is not my intent) is viewing here because he knows SM is here for Justice for Natalee.....SM/Red/Klaas and way too many Monkeys to mention (they don't need mention-they need Justice for Natalee).
I (along with all esteemed colleagues/Monkeys) STAND WITH THE GIRL!!!
 

Thanks billb!  That makes me feel better.  Reminds me of this old guy that was here during the Persistence search...some really tense times...he told me to sing Christmas songs.  IIRC it was almost February, but that was o.k.; it made me feel better.  I've been thinking a lot about that, so much that I still have my Christmas tree up!  And I've been humming a Christmas song or two every once in a while just to keep my spirits up. 

Keeping the Faith, and Standing with the Girl!!!! 

[texasmom]

JUSTICE FOR NATALEE!!!!!!

[billb's daughter]

Hi billb!  Good to see you!   

I've seen PI here a few times, and some have said Hi to him....any response from PI to the Hi's?
I think he wants to say something....just waiting for the right time.......

No comments from PI yet...sniff...sniff.  I hope you're right.  Janet and I were afraid we skeered him with my hi's and her big hugs so we're going to be really quiet and only give hi's after he says hello, and hugs when he asks for them from now on...

You know TM, I KTF.....PI will post when he is ready.....he visits because he wants to let us know what is in the mix, but the timing may just not be right....The point is...PI (I hope I am not overstepping PI..It is not my intent) is viewing here because he knows SM is here for Justice for Natalee.....SM/Red/Klaas and way too many Monkeys to mention (they don't need mention-they need Justice for Natalee).
I (along with all esteemed colleagues/Monkeys) STAND WITH THE GIRL!!!
 

Thanks billb!  That makes me feel better.  Reminds me of this old guy that was here during the Persistence search...some really tense times...he told me to sing Christmas songs.  IIRC it was almost February, but that was o.k.; it made me feel better.  I've been thinking a lot about that, so much that I still have my Christmas tree up!  And I've been humming a Christmas song or two every once in a while just to keep my spirits up. 

Keeping the Faith, and Standing with the Girl!!!! 

KTF will like this...that is why I put her in...
It's all cool.....we are here for Natalee, Beth, Dave.....if it helps, I'll keep my Christmas tree up forever...,
Heck, next round of Christmas Carols are on me!!! ....