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Topic: Lively Case Discussion #647 6/25 - 6/26/2007 (Read 165094 times)
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Lala'sMom
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Lively Case Discussion #647 6/25 - 6/26/2007
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CBB
We missed you. I think we sent out the bat...er, monkey signal the other night. You didn't hear us calling your name?
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Does that mean that Lorenzo could be the 5th suspect?
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Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
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Okay, if you count the SG in the list it would look like this:
1. Mickey Johns
2. Abraham Jones
3. Joran
4. Deepak
5. Satish
Of course you can interchange the last 3 in any order, I guess. You have to leave out the SG to make it fit any other scenario. What do you guys think?
I cannot see how Simian's comments would fit any of the 3 perps such as party host etc.
I am sure GVC was said to have molested Natalee on the dance floow and she pushed him away and he slapped her.
Who was the ones who had a party that night? I have a hazy memory of someone's parents hosting a get-together.
My point exactly. You have to discard the SG as being in the group to have a number 5 suspect that would fit the scenario as outlined by Simian. Actually, I think Simian already knew by this time that the guards were not suspects. Try this one...
1. Joran
2. Deepak
3. Satish
4. Steve Croes
5. Lorenzo or GVC
Not sure which one was questioned first. If it was GVC, then he's number 5. Then again, was he a suspect or a witness? Was Lorenzo a suspect or a witness?
That is what needs to be clarified to be accurate - witness or suspect.
If you think that the ALE possibly considered everyone they brought in for questioning was a suspect, especially in the very early days, and then if they had an reasonable alibi they were then called a witness instead it would make more sense.
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Sorry Lala's! It's nice to be missed! Life happens in avalanches sometimes and I've been in one! Must have been wearing ear muffs!
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Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
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Does that mean that Lorenzo could be the 5th suspect?
Yes, thats how I have known it all along. I have been wrong before but, I don't think I am this time.
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One day, I will explain exactly what happened, but, right now, I don’t feel ready to do that.
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Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "Easywriter"
Anything going on tonight?
Yeah, FOB has dossiers on all of us
Wouldn't this be a form of harassment and online stalking? Maybe we should contact the FBI?
I'm shure their copiing this post n savig it to gif to someun. I figer the mor typos, the bettr my defence.
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Quote from: "Tamikosmom"
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Quote from: "truthseeker2"
Steve was the fourth man. Seems Lorenzo WAS the fifth person. Not Paulus.
Thanks truthseeker. We were discussing this the other night who was the 5th suspect.
FOX NEWS
June 24, 2005
Joran van der Sloot (search) and his friends Deepak and Satish Kalpoe are being held under suspicion of murder and kidnapping as well as being an accessory to murder.
A fourth man, party boat DJ Steve Croes
, is being held under the same conditions.
The fifth man, Paul van der Sloot
(search) — the father of 17-year-old Joran — was being held on suspicion of complicity to pre-meditated murder, complicity to kidnapping and murder and kidnapping. Under the Aruban system, complicity is a lesser charge.
BUMPED
Lorenzo was not a suspect ... he was a witness.
Janet
SUSPECTS - DETAINED
1. Joran van der Sloot
2. Deepak Kalpoe
3. Satish Kalpoe
4. Steve Croes
5. Paulus van der Sloot
__________
6. Carlos - the Coumbian
7. Geoffrey van Cromvoirt
8. Michael Dompig
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San
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June 26, 2007, 10:54:46 PM »
Quote from: "Tamikosmom"
Quote from: "Tamikosmom"
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "truthseeker2"
Steve was the fourth man. Seems Lorenzo WAS the fifth person. Not Paulus.
Thanks truthseeker. We were discussing this the other night who was the 5th suspect.
FOX NEWS
June 24, 2005
Joran van der Sloot (search) and his friends Deepak and Satish Kalpoe are being held under suspicion of murder and kidnapping as well as being an accessory to murder.
A fourth man, party boat DJ Steve Croes
, is being held under the same conditions.
The fifth man, Paul van der Sloot
(search) — the father of 17-year-old Joran — was being held on suspicion of complicity to pre-meditated murder, complicity to kidnapping and murder and kidnapping. Under the Aruban system, complicity is a lesser charge.
BUMPED
Lorenzo was not a suspect ... he was a witness.
Janet
SUSPECTS - DETAINED
1. Joran van der Sloot
2. Deepak Kalpoe
3. Satish Kalpoe
4. Steve Croes
5. Paulus van der Sloot
__________
6. Carlos - the Coumbian
7. Geoffrey van Cromvoirt
8. Michael Dompig
Thanks
Tamikos
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From my Monkey friend:
Friday night (June 17) was the only time that Arends was questioned. Apparently there was still another person.....of Dutch background....questioned Thursday night (June 16). I believe I've heard the name Lorenzo van Rijn in connection with that. Correct me if I'm mistaken.
This story from Friday has more:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,159862,00.html
Posted by: willo | Sunday, June 19, 2005 at 07:50 PM
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Quote from: "crazybabyborg"
Sorry Lala's! It's nice to be missed! Life happens in avalanches sometimes and I've been in one! Must have been wearing ear muffs!
Lala's was missing a pair of ear muffs .........
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Was Michael Dompig every arrested?
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Quote from: "LilPuma"
Quote from: "IBE"
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "Easywriter"
Anything going on tonight?
Yeah, FOB has dossiers on all of us
Wouldn't this be a form of harassment and online stalking? Maybe we should contact the FBI?
I'm shure their copiing this post n savig it to gif to someun. I figer the mor typos, the bettr my defence.
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LORENZO VAN RIJN
Kalpoe v. McGraw, et al.
Name: Lorenzo Van Rijn
Date: 28 June 2005 / 17:00
Pages: 2
Writer/Initiator: Giovanni Heyliger
Description: witness statement
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Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway
Page 219: I have to make difficult choices every day. I have to make a conscious decision every morning when I wake up not to be bitter, not to live in resentment and let anger control me. It's not easy. I ask God to help me.
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“A person of integrity expects to be believed and when he’s not, he let’s time prove him right.” -unknown
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FOB Dossiers
>
Impossible anyway, JR and Co. sent the dossier to DeVries over a year ago. Possibly related news, DeVries
TP
expenses have gone down 100% since.
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I understand that many of the code talkers considered the 5th suspect to be PVDS. I also thought that he was ruled out as a boyfriend from earlier. I know this has been said before...but I just don't see Natalee being at all interested in PVDS at any point in time. I don't think he could do enough sweet talking to get much more of a response from her other than what we saw in the casino video. Besides, if he was familiar with Natalee, why was she so distant to him in the caisno? Doesn't jive with me, I guess.
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May I have a small recap here? What is the difference of witness and suspect? TIA besides one can lie and one can't or ???
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June 26, 2007, 10:57:44 PM »
Quote from: "Tamikosmom"
Quote from: "Tamikosmom"
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "truthseeker2"
Steve was the fourth man. Seems Lorenzo WAS the fifth person. Not Paulus.
Thanks truthseeker. We were discussing this the other night who was the 5th suspect.
FOX NEWS
June 24, 2005
Joran van der Sloot (search) and his friends Deepak and Satish Kalpoe are being held under suspicion of murder and kidnapping as well as being an accessory to murder.
A fourth man, party boat DJ Steve Croes
, is being held under the same conditions.
The fifth man, Paul van der Sloot
(search) — the father of 17-year-old Joran — was being held on suspicion of complicity to pre-meditated murder, complicity to kidnapping and murder and kidnapping. Under the Aruban system, complicity is a lesser charge.
BUMPED
Lorenzo was not a suspect ... he was a witness.
Janet
SUSPECTS - DETAINED
1. Joran van der Sloot
2. Deepak Kalpoe
3. Satish Kalpoe
4. Steve Croes
5. Paulus van der Sloot
__________
6. Carlos - the Coumbian
7. Geoffrey van Cromvoirt
8. Michael Dompig
OK, yes, you have a point there. Thanks
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Joran van der Sloot:
One day, I will explain exactly what happened, but, right now, I don’t feel ready to do that.
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June 26, 2007, 10:58:50 PM »
Quote from: "LilPuma"
Quote from: "IBE"
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "Easywriter"
Anything going on tonight?
Yeah, FOB has dossiers on all of us
Wouldn't this be a form of harassment and online stalking? Maybe we should contact the FBI?
I'm shure their copiing this post n savig it to gif to someun. I figer the mor typos, the bettr my defence.
Priceless
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Just because Simian uses the word suspect doesn't mean that he means suspect. Remember the "one witness is no witness"? I take that to mean that one of the witnesses is really not only a witness but also a suspect.
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Quote from: "Tamikosmom"
LORENZO VAN RIJN
Kalpoe v. McGraw, et al.
Name: Lorenzo Van Rijn
Date: 28 June 2005 / 17:00
Pages: 2
Writer/Initiator: Giovanni Heyliger
Description: witness statement
Let me know when I'm getting on your nerves.
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June 26, 2007, 11:04:26 PM »
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Thanks
Tamikos
.
From my Monkey friend:
Friday night (June 17) was the only time that Arends was questioned. Apparently there was still another person.....of Dutch background....questioned Thursday night (June 16). I believe I've heard the name Lorenzo van Rijn in connection with that. Correct me if I'm mistaken.
This story from Friday has more:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,159862,00.html
Posted by: willo | Sunday, June 19, 2005 at 07:50 PM
BUMPED
Quote from: "Tamikosmom"
Quote from: "San"
Lorenzo's alibi was Max Arendz/Arends/Arenz not sure of spelling.
Was Lorenzo brought in for questioning for than once? The time between Max Arends questioning and Lorenzo Van Rijn questioning was over one month. Something does not seem right.
Janet
MAX ARENDS - JUNE 17, 2005
FOX NEWSl
June 17, 2005
Meanwhile, police brought in yet another man for questioning Friday night, FOX News has learned. The man, Max Arends, who is also a friend of van der Sloot, is not a suspect in the case and has not been arrested.
LORENZO - JUNE 28, 2005
Kalpoe v. McGraw, et al
Name: Lorenzo Van Rijn
Date: 28 June 2005 / 17:00
Pages: 2
Writer/Initiator: Giovanni Heyliger
Description: witness statement
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Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway
Page 219: I have to make difficult choices every day. I have to make a conscious decision every morning when I wake up not to be bitter, not to live in resentment and let anger control me. It's not easy. I ask God to help me.
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“A person of integrity expects to be believed and when he’s not, he let’s time prove him right.” -unknown
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