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Billie Dunn: There Is Another Person That Needs To Be Looked At

http://bigcountryhomepage.com/fulltext/?nxd_id=336276

Thanks Muffy

UPDATE: Police Collect Socks, Hair Found During Dunn Search

Socks and hair were discovered during a search in Big Spring Friday morning.
Pete Kampfer, who has been acting as spokesman for the investigation, confirmed this afternoon that the items were found and collected by the Big Spring Police Department.
MORE.....

http://bigcountryhomepage.com/fulltext/?nxd_id=336196

 YW  ::bee::

(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_dAAZpkP60wU/TTHYZ3H3C2I/AAAAAAAADj4/2YaJZPXPL3w/s320/DSCF0358.JPG)

http://kvmckaum.blogspot.com/

PLEASE MOVE TO HAILEY DUNN #5

man i need the bifocals checked  ::MonkeyHaHa::

prob the drug dealer

TY
looks like hailey's friends or relatives
Searchers make their presence known in Dunn....
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_dAAZpkP60wU/TTHX2kAbcJI/AAAAAAAADj0/UO-HbUmuVfQ/s1600/DSCF0360.JPG
Edit to add "relatives" MB

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=9340.msg1296943#msg1296943

sorry that post was suppose to say friends or relatives?

I was thinking the same thing.

Wow, thanks.

Former Colorado City Mayor Discusses Dunn Case
POSTED: 7:09 pm CST January 7, 2011
 UPDATED: 7:17 pm CST January 7, 2011

talks about NG too,about not fair reporting
vid

http://www.ktxs.com/news/26406876/detail.html

snip
Searchers told Tatro there's nothing to connect the socks that were discovered to Hailey Dunn. However, members of the Big Spring Crime Scene Investigation unit did come in and collect the items just in case.

http://bigcountryhomepage.com/fulltext/?nxd_id=336196

you can get dna from right?

Another relative chiming in:

Tiffany Deskins
Fairbury, IL

Sane person wrote:
<quoted text>
"Now you're just being pathetic. And stupid.
I don't know for a fact that she smokes pot, all I know is there are videos of SA smoking pot. Logically, since the affidavits said the ATM withdrawal was for illegal drugs, one would assume they meant pot. "

no its not pot, its pills, omg read a little better plz expecialy on my family

http://www.topix.com/forum/city/colorado-city-tx/T1FA1VMHCUGFML4NE/p36

Well, gee this mayor is referring to a source that NG is picking up her opinions on that are unfair to his community....who could that be  ::MonkeyNoNo::

possible, skin cells etc

I give Kampfer 12 hours or less to retract that statement and say he can not confirm anything was found or not found  ::piggy::

I wonder how long it will be till Captain Kampfer takes it back and says we may or may not have found socks and hair? And if it was, it may or may not have been in Big Spring?  ::MonkeyRoll::

Since when has someone else OTHER THAN SHAWN threatened Billie & Hailey?   Look at the video when she winches & contorts her mouth & how she so often shifts her eyes to the left, also the sigh she takes before explaining herself.   Is she referring to the neighbor who left?   Since we know she is still talking to Shawn & is stating that he still loves her and the children, I feel that this woman is protecting him at all costs, including her daughter's life.   I call BS and DEFLECTION. 

  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Fanny ... it only took until one read the last two paragraphs of the same article to reveal that you are probably right.

Janet

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UPDATE: Police Collect Socks, Hair Found During Dunn Search
Friday, January 28 2011

<snipped>

Members of the group sent KTAB's Tiffany Tatro images of Big Spring officers collecting the socks from the scene.

Searchers told Tatro there's nothing to connect the socks that were discovered to Hailey Dunn. However, members of the Big Spring Crime Scene Investigation unit did come in and collect the items just in case.

http://bigcountryhomepage.com/fulltext/?nxd_id=336196

I guess you and I did it again. Do you suppose we have ESP with one another?  ::MonkeyEek::

If this was true, why wasn't she saying this at the very beginning. Did this thought just bubble up through her foggy brain.  (http://i844.photobucket.com/albums/ab6/fannymae66/BS-flag.gif)

Whoops, I got into your box again.  At least the Big Springs Police Department had the good sense to collect them.

LOL, yup that flag has to go way high, not even hip boots will help this chick wade thru her BS.   And Fanny, I love, love, love your new avi, pretty monkey!

O/T sort of. Janet, I just wanted to tell you that I know we have disagreed on this case, but it was nothing personal on my part. We have posted together many times on other threads, and I think we have never had any trouble. I wasn't ganging up on you myself, and I have no gang. I have almost been afraid to even post here since the other night, because I didn't want anything I said to sound that way.  I just want to say that I am sorry if I made you feel that way and all I want is to be able to be friends and for the thread to go along smoothly. I hope you will accept my apology . I will be more careful in how I say things even if we do disagree. :smt049 :smt049 :smt049

‘Have Hope'
Missing girl's family, friends stay optimistic

<snipped>

"She's out there, and somebody knows something," said Hailey's father, Clint Dunn, on Friday. He spoke by phone as he drove to El Paso with his girlfriend, Naomi Stewart, and their two children. He planned to hand out fliers and talk to the media to bring attention to Hailey's disappearance.

MORE...


http://www.reporternews.com/news/2011/jan/28/145have-hope/

From the article:  "Clint Dunn said he also has seen a change in the way he interacts with his own family and is struggling to find a balance between searching for Hailey and being a father to his three other children.

"It's 30 days, it's so ... There's no words to explain the feeling of loss that I feel. I feel so lost," he said. "I'm trying to balance my life out; I've got other kids that I've got to think of, too, and I have no job right now — I'm staying with my mom ... you want to talk about some stress," he said."

Meanwhile the mother of Hailey still talks to the very person many suspect killed her daughter...go figure.

i was able to select and copy to notepad,but some letters came out weird
ive read this doc many times,but some how missed, what i bolded
it comes right after the pgs thats talking about the copied pgs
of murders,that billie made at work

Durinq the investigation into the disappearanoe/kidnapping of Hailey bunn,
Shawn ADKINS has been intexviewed numerous rimes by investigators and ADKINS
has volunteered to a polygraph examination on three occasiohs and on the first
two occasions upon his arrival 2s terminated the polygraph examihations by
walking out and refusing to ~aoperate with investigator. On the third attempt
to polygraph ADKINS he submitted to the first stage of the polygraph and the
result of the polygraph was deception indicated, meaning that ADKINS failed
the examination on the relevant questions of knowing the whereabouts of Ijailey
Wllnn.
During the second phase of the pol.ygraph ADKINS was questioned in
reference to where Hailey Dunn could be found and ADKINS made a positive
indication that Hailey Durin could be found in Scurry County, Texas.
When the
third phase of the polygraph was s t a r r e d to refine the location of Hailey Dunn
in Scurxy County, Texas ADKINS refused to complete the palygraph examination
and walked out of the Police Department.
http://media.reporternews.com/media/static/0113_001.pdf

It's really too bad he doesn't have the guts to go ahead and man up and give Hailey's location. He could save a lot of hearts that are being broken some relief. I know the searchers are exhausted, and they will need a lot of time to decompress after this is over.  Much less her family and friends.   ::MonkeyNoNo::

here is a basic county map of scurry,im see if i can find a topo
i see a lake lower left corner
http://www.countymapsoftexas.com/scurry.shtml

I was making fun of Nancy Grace and I never intended to sound as if I was ganging up on anybody. I have not watched NG in over a year so I read all of the quotes you post. (And I still forget what was said..lol) I too am sorry Janet.  :smt052
 ::MonkeyWaa::

I'll cry right along with you SHELL. Although I don't think it was anything you said or did. I have cried for two days over this myself. I think it was my joking around and sarcastic humor, and sometimes people don't understand my goofing off.  ::MonkeyWaa::

I think Billie said a game warden had been searching a lake. And Sheriff Toombs was recounting what had been done, and he mentioned searching a lake also.  Surprising what a big area that is, isn't it?

FWIW

http://www.facebook.com/#!/pages/Find-Hailey-Dunn/165260016852020?v=wall (http://www.facebook.com/#!/pages/Find-Hailey-Dunn/165260016852020?v=wall)

Ruthie Pittman Brown just heard on the news they found a bloody sock in Big Spring but dont know if it is hers praying not
about an hour ago

:smt049 :smt049 :smt049

I'm praying not too.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

I think I may have every word of those NG transcripts covering the Hailey Dunn case memorized.

Janet  .



Janet

Well ... I am on a high.  I beat teacher DIL at a game of Scrabble this evening while son and hubby replaced a hot water tank.

Anyways ... regarding the bloody sock find.  My theory implies that Hailey was suffocated or strangled.  In other words ... no blood.  However ... I am thankful that searches are taking place in the Big Spring area ... Shawn's destination on the morning of December 27th.

Good Night All

Janet

MuffyBee-thanks for the snip-it clarification and link to the test thread. Being a hands on learner I'm hoping thru trial and error I can answer all my "how do you...." posting questions.


To anyone- I keep reading that BD knows Hailey is dead because her like Casey Anthony, Misty Croslin etc spoke of Hailey in past tense.  There's people acting like it's a huge deal, some adding on more names of people who slipped up and talked past tense.

Just wondering if there are examples, I missed, that could be taken no other way than that person is dead?  I talk about my kids in past tense but not because they're dead, because what I'm talking about is past, and/or when they were a lot younger.

For example today a friend was over following me around, while we talked and helping me pick up. She found a tiny screw and asked what it was to and if i wanted to keep it. Everything I thought it could be to, were toys that "had" belonged to one of my sons when he was younger and he has since gotten rid of them. The bowl, on the counter, half full of cereal "was" my daughter's, who was now at school. The entire conversation about the trophies in the gameroom was past tense and full of "use to be"......"had"......."was", because I was remembering which kid, how old they were and the details of that exact day.     

What is it they say .....?? NO news is good news.
Hailey, wherever u r, I ask the Lord to squeeze u tight,
and keep u safe in his arms !

I am wondering why she chose to drop that tid bit now ?
No details, just a HIM.
.............
And it sounds as if it was around the almost year ago that Billie and SA were " broken up " where he needed his T-shirt. I am not discounting it as somewhere they mention former associates of SA.   

Klaas,

Thank-you for cleaning-up, Who's Who.  I think those Idjets (WP) copied the wrong names!


Perhaps, (WP) copied this lady (who my opinion) they did not research, thoroughly. This Connie E. is married to Charles O.
http://www.texastribune.org/library/data/government-employee-salaries/search/?q=OSTRANDER



I am working on a correct "family tree".  ::MonkeyCool::

the big lake i saw is,Lake J B Thomas
and there are other lakes close, Ccity pklake,in Ccity
Divesion Lake, Scurry County, Texas

Lake J B Thomas
http://texas.hometownlocator.com/maps/feature-map,ftc,2,fid,1374249,n,lake%20j%20b%20thomas.cfm

scurry
http://texas.hometownlocator.com/maps/countymap,cfips,415,c,scurry.cfm

Texas State Map Collection
http://geology.com/state-map/texas.shtml

Texas Lakes, Rivers and Water Resources
http://geology.com/lakes-rivers-water/texas.shtml

route of travel to from jpg

there are a few lakes in the 3 counties

howard county TX
http://texas.hometownlocator.com/maps/countymap,cfips,227,c,howard.cfm
Mitchell County, TX
http://texas.hometownlocator.com/maps/countymap,cfips,335,c,mitchell.cfm
scurry county tx
http://texas.hometownlocator.com/maps/countymap,cfips,415,c,scurry.cfm
choose a county tx
http://texas.hometownlocator.com/maps/

i had forgot about the prickly pear cati,ouch

Slideshow: Cops Collect Socks in Hailey Dunn Search
http://bigcountryhomepage.com/fulltext/?nxd_id=336396
Image of the socks that were collected (photo by Hailey's Angels)
http://bigcountryhomepage.com/fulltext/?nxd_id=336446

(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5171/5398272592_37bf6b00cb_b.jpg)

Thank-you for the info on the socks and picture. I get confused, it seems Hailey was wearing flip flops and if true, would doubt she had socks on with them. And then she may have been wearing tennis shoes, so again she may or may not have had socks on. But then again the entire description of what she may have been wearing could not be true.  ::MonkeyNoNo::

(http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/4140/evidence6.jpg)

(http://img266.imageshack.us/img266/2127/evidence7.jpg)

(http://img691.imageshack.us/img691/3541/evidence4.jpg)

(http://img696.imageshack.us/img696/8936/evidence3k.jpg)

Wow, when searching through there one has to have great respect for all those cactus. Strange place for those socks to turn up.

They could be men's sport socks for all we know. You are right, odd place to leave your socks. 

Natalee Holloway's father hoped/prayed for a positive outcome but ... he faced reality and did what had to be done.  It was not easy but ... his precious daughter was missing.

Janet

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Dave Holloway

Aruba: The Tragic Untold Story of Natalee Holloway and Corruption in Paradise
by Dave Holloway

Publisher: Thomas Nelson Publishers-Business (Mar 15 2006)
ISBN-10: 1595550631
ISBN-13: 978-1595550637

<snipped>

By noon I learned that Natalee was not getting on the plane.  I found out that it had been a chaperone from Natalee's group who had changed her flight in the hopes that she would reappear.  It was then that I knew something tragic must have happened.  I feared the worst, but prayed for a miracle.  I hung up the phone and broke down .....

<snipped>

From my first day on the island, I realized that I could not rely on the police to find my daughter. If they refused to search, we would organize and do it ourselves. We were able to obtain enough information to learn the route the boys had taken with Natalee. We decided to start the search at the California Lighthouse on the northwestern tip of the island and work our way back to the Holiday Inn. I enlisted about fifty tourists to help.

<snipped>

I sat on a rock and allowed myself to briefly let go. Tears ran down my face. I was worn out, and I was having one of those moments that I suppose was perfectly normal, under the circumstances. I still could not believe what was happening. How was it possible that I was in a foreign country searching for my missing daughter?

After a few minutes of much-needed rest, I regrouped, and we continued to clear the area. When we felt that we had exhausted our search there, we moved down to the beach and discussed our next plan of action.

<snipped>

The days passed with no real leads and nothing to indicate whether Natalee was still alive. Hundreds of calls came in with tips that led nowhere and suggestions of crazy schemes that would try anyone's patience. We kept searching and praying. It was all we could do for Natalee, and we hoped it would be enough.

<snipped>

During our daylight searches throughout the island, our group came across many abandoned houses where drug addicts had left razors and other drug paraphernalia. Some were filled with foul smelling odors, feces, urine, cardboard boxes they used as blankets or beds, and general trash. One of those houses was located right next to a fine restaurant near the hotel area and a McDonald's

<snipped>

Natalee’s birthday was a difficult day.  I tried not to focus on it  and kept busy with my efforts to search for her.  As with times back in Mississippi, I was not always with Natalee on her birthday due to sharing time with her with Beth.  I did my best to imagine that this was just not my turn to spend her birthday with her.

<snipped>

Another witness, a homeless man who claimed to have been up on the landfill three days after Natalee vanished, said he had seen someone take something out of a pick-up truck that looked like a body and bury it. He descried the exact spot with landmarks, but by this time, there had already been a lot of garbage dumped on top of the spot. The searchers dug and came across some of the things the witness said he had seen in the garbage, but they had to use backhoes to dig deeper, and the machinery kept breaking down. We had about forty holes dug and kept sending the dogs down in them. During that entire week, I spent all of my time surrounded by rotting garbage searching for Natalee. It was hot and the stench was so unbearable that we had to wear masks in order to breathe, but we continued to search. My belief was that if we could find the haystack, we could find the needle.

<snipped>


Clint Dunn

Hailey's Older Brother Is Moved From Dunn Home In Colorado City
POSTED: 4:49 pm CST January 19, 2011
UPDATED: 8:15 am CST January 20, 2011

<snipped>

Hailey's father, Clint Dunn, joined the group of about 55 searchers, to offer up his support.

"I don't want to join in the search – I can't," he said. "I don't want to. It's just amazing seeing these people the community pull together like this."

He said he can't search because he's not willing to face what could be found in the fields.

<snipped>

http://www.ktxs.com/news/26545922/detail.html

I read over at WS, they are having a discussion as to whether or not Billie should do a press conference. Billie is thinking of doing one.
When this story first hit, I was home alot and saw NG when Billie was first on. I did believe her.
Then the media obtained the documents for the search warrants. Then we were told that SA went to work for ten minutes and went back home.
I don't think a presser by Billie is going to rehab her image or put the focus back on Hailey.
She got good coverage at the beginning and she got more than what she bargained for with persons digging into what is available to the public about SA and herself. And what the medai was able to obtain thru FOI.
She is going to take care of the slander later. If persons discuss what they think of her for having SA move in after the threats to her and Hailey, that isn't slander. 

Kat_Gram - IMO she's ignorant and hasn't a clue what she's talking about.  I don't know if she is guilty of anything other than making some poor choices but poor choices may have cost Hailey her life.

Janet, I can't fault Clint for not joining the searchers. Aruba was different, no one from LE was doing anything. Clint is doing what he thinks he is capable of. My opinion of Clint is that he has to man up after this is over, get a job and live differently for the sake of the children he does have.

Well my eyes are still on SA. Any and all other leads, like this past threat that has just come up, that has to be looked at, but it will probably fizzle.
As far as I am concerned, Billie did nothing that was in Hailey's best interests for a long time.
If she does do a presser, she can't tell us where Shawn was or why he wasn't at work and why he lied, can she ?

Hi Kat

My opinion is if Clint does not man up now ... he is never going to man up.

Dave Holloway did not just organize the searches in Aruba ... he was a partcipant in those searches.

Shawn claims to be going to Mexico to hand out flyers re his missing daughter.  MEXICO!  Hey ... according to cell phone pings ... the route that Shawn took on the morning of December 27th orginated at Billie's home and ended in Big Spring.

Clint is aware of the contents of that affidavit.  Why has Shawn's deception/ lies/ whereabouts on the morning his daughter went missing become a non-isse.  Clint's silence in regards to Shawn is deafening.

I appologize for the rant but ... there is something not right in regards to the distancing of Shawn by Clint, Billie and LE.

Kat ... I hope you are doing well.

Janet

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Adkins Being Monitored, Likely Not Under 24-7 Surveillance
Monday, January 24 2011

Law enforcement officials said Adkins was under 24/7 police surveillance two weeks ago, but could not confirm that on Monday.

"His whereabouts and how he's traveling and what he's doing  hour to hour, I'm not aware of that. His movements and what he's doing right now is his business," Kampfer said.

http://bigcountryhomepage.com/fulltext/?nxd_id=334646

REMINDER

Shawn Adkins

Hailey Dunn affidavit highlights: Inconsistencies, strange ‘hobbies'
By Brian Bethel
Abilene Reporter-News
Posted January 12, 2011 at 10:30 p.m.
 
<snipped>

Adkins volunteered to be subjected to a polygraph exam on three separate occasions. The first two attempts, he terminated the exam, walking out and refusing to cooperate. On the third try, he submitted to two stages of the test, the first indicating that he was being deceptive regarding knowing Hailey Dunn's whereabouts.

The second section contained questions asking where Hailey could be found. Adkins made a positive indication that she was in Scurry County.

When the third phase of the polygraph test began — with the intention of refining Hailey Dunn's location in Scurry County — Adkins refused to complete the test, walking out of the Colorado City Police Department.

<snipped>

Shawn Adkins told investigators that he was fired from his job at WSI in Snyder on Dec. 27 after an altercation with his supervisor. But investigators were told that Adkins was a good employee and hadn't been fired from the business.

According to the affidavits, Adkins had not had any altercations with supervisors, arriving to work at 6 a.m.

According to the records, he "went into the break room and purchased a Dr Pepper out of the vending machine, looked at the supervisor without saying a word, and then left the premises at 6:10 a.m."

<snipped>

Adkins told investigators that he left WSI and went straight to his mother's home in Big Spring, but telephone records indicate otherwise. It was determined that he initially returned to Colorado City instead.

<snipped>

Adkins apparently deleted contact information on his cell phone in front of an investigator who had asked to look at it again to verify calls he had made. The investigator asked Adkins what happened to the list. Adkins was "unable to give an answer."

<snipped>

Nothing was noted to be missing from Hailey Dunn's room, including an MP3 player, toothbrush, contact solution, jacket and other personal items that those who knew her said she would not have left home without.

<snipped>

http://www.reporternews.com/news/2011/jan/12/inconsistenciesstrange-145hobbies/

Janet, maybe Clint is in denial.

I am not sure what anyone would have Clint do? Go beat SA's a** and get thrown in jail?

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

The implication is that ... unliked Natalee Holloway ... Hailey Dunn does not have either a mother or father advocating on her behalf ... advocating for justice.  That is so sad.

Have a good day Kat.

Janet

I just re read the documents for this case.
Shawn did not take the frst two, he showed up but declined.
It was the third one where he failed on the important question as to Do you know where Hailey Dunn is.
And then he said she was in Scurry County. He didn't complete the third, he left. 
...
She went to take the first one and LE declined as she had taken narcotics, their words, nor mine.
The wording, for me is fuzzy as to what they exactly asked, but she did suspect some involvement by Shawn.
............
And she still loves him.

Isn't Clint going all around handing out fliers? I don't know if it is a great idea for some parents to go searching for their missing child. Tried to put myself in that place many times, and can't imagine a parent while searching finding their child's body and the condition it may be in. I couldn't, but sure doesn't mean I love my kids less than a person that does. And it also doesn't mean that I would come up with the money, for whatever necessary to find the child.

Why does Shawn and Billie not take advantage of the media ... talk show circuit ... screaming out for Shawn to come clean in regards to his deception ... his lies ... his whereabouts on the morning of December 27th.

Cell phone records indicate that the route Shawn drove on the morning of December 27th.  Rather than becoming a participant in the search effort along that route ... Clint is in Mexico handing out fliers.

Then there is Billie.  Out of a warped sense of love ... she defends Shawn ... Shawn the guy who defamed her daughter while being interrogated by investigators.

Hailey deserves so much more.

Janet

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NEW DETAILS: Search Affidavits Reveal Disturbing New Information About Those Closest To Hailey Dunn 1/12/11
CBS 7 News Staff
January 12, 2011

After Billie Dunn reported positive things about Hailey and her personality. Adkins told authorities she was promiscuous and in to drugs. Adkins was the only one to report negative characteristics.

http://www.cbs7kosa.com/news/details.asp?ID=23311


Instead ... out of a warped sense of love ... Billie defends Shawn. and ... Clint will not become a participant in the search effort refuses to be part of the search effort .

But but doesnt Shawn's cousin whom he is close with & in like with macab interests claim to live in NM, ya know the border has served as a dumping ground in either direction too many times before.

How I see it Clint is doing what he think he can do, not sitting on a couch worried about his image by the public or talking to suspect no 1 about their love.  While I agree Clint hasnt led the most pristine life, I think he is fully aware of the route everyone is projecting Shawn took (largely based on cell pings & what he said) but everyone has been combing over those areas of which he visited as well.  I cannot say for sure what is on Clint's mind but it appears to me that he's not dismissing possibilities, I do not feel whatsoever that he's going off the beaten path purposefully.  It also seems to me that Clint is fully aware of what the affidavits said, what threats were made previously & the fear that Shawn indeed is responsible for what happened to Hailey but since that is still an open question he may be keeping that in mind but not dismissing that a stranger could have done something as well....why would that be unusual when the general public is contemplating those same thoughts?   That being said, if I had to put a ratio on my suspicion I'd give Shawn being guilty of what happened to Hailey at 95% & that is increasing by the day.

(My highlight in green)

Janet, isn't it Clint that's going to try to find his daughter in Mexico, not Shawn?  

http://www.cbs7kosa.com/news/details.asp?ID=23580
Clint Dunn Not Giving Up Search for Hailey 1/27/11
January 27, 2011

(snipped)
He stopped in Odessa Thursday to hand out flyers about Hailey’s disappearance on his way to El Paso.

Dunn wants to spread the message of Hailey’s disappearance across the border.
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Janet, personally I don't think this is a case of Clint needing to "man up".  That's harsh to say to the parent of a victim, imo.  I'm not sure whether Clint's search will turn anything up, but he's trying.  As a citizen of the state of Texas, I can say that I've seen cases where people have been taken across the border to Mexico, and this includes children.  I just googled "kidnapped taken across Mexico border" and got this on first try:
http://www.examiner.com/headlines-in-san-antonio/texas-teenage-girl-kidnapped-and-taken-across-mexico-border-returned-after-19-hours-captivity for starters.  There is also a slave/prostitution trade that's in the border area and Mexico

There is also human trafficking which includes slave/prostitition trade.

I don't know what information Clint Dunn may have that we as the public aren't privy to at this point, nor do I have enough information to understand why he believes what he does.  All I've seen is what's been put out in the media, and I always take that with a grain of salt.  You are of course entitled to your opinion.  I've never had a missing child and I think I know what I might do, but then until it really happens, would I REALLY know?  And each and every situation would be different.  I just think about what it would be like to walk a mile in Clint's shoes now.  And I could not look him in the eye and tell him he needs to" man up", that's for certain.  I wish him the best of luck in his search for Hailey.  This is just my humble opinion.  And at the end of the day, it doesn't really matter if you or I think Clint is right or wrong to go search toward the border.  It appears he's a man in pain, a grieving father and he's on a mission and he'll go search where he feels he needs to regardless of our armchair opinions.  JMHO  

Janet, I wasn't trying to start something with you. Beth and Dave are special persons.
Not the norm at all in these cases we follow. They were special persons of good character before and still are.
You have a good Saturday too and when I go to Tim's tomorrow, I will have an old fashioned plain. Went last week after soccer and when I ordered, I thought of you. Crazy the way things stick in a person's mind.

Muffy ... I apologize.

I forgot to include <snipped> in the last couple of posts.

The old dog has difficulty learning new tricks

Janet

I can see you're trying Janet. Muffy  ::MonkeyKiss::

 ::MonkeyAngel::

I blew it.  If you could fix ... I would appreciate.

Thaks
Done.  MB

Janet

It was I who said Clint has to man up. I wasn't referring to the search, I was referring to him not working and stuff like that. He has children, a fairly new baby and he has to, once this has come to a conclusion, just do better. I don't want to criticize him right now or maybe ever. He is young relative to me and he can do better in the future. Right now, he has no job, is living at his Mum's. That was the aspect of Clint's circumstances I was referring to. I hope he has persons to support him emotionally right now.

Not directed at you Kat but I just want to acknowledge Beth's ex Jug.   Natalee's step-father did an enormous amount & financed much of what was done down in Aruba for many months, maybe longer....I just dont want him being forgotten for everything he did as a non biological parent.  They became incompatible which on the surface was shocking but under those ongoing heart wrenching conditions maybe not, but it was said that later on Beth took up with Jon Benet's father...Im not dissing by making that acknowledgement of reporting.  Nonetheless, Jug loved & cared for Natalee in life & contributed above & beyond after her disappearance.   All three were focused on doing everything they could to find Natalee, they didnt care about how the public perceived them OR have to spend time defending themselves...the two cases are entirely different I think we all can agree.

I agree with you. It can be if Hailey is deceased Clint of course will never be the same and decide why bother improving anything, or Clint may feel he want's to better things in Hailey's memory.

Capp - I don't think Corey Norwood (SA's cousin) lives in NM, I think he lives in Snyder or that vicinity.

Hi Cappuccino

The costs associated with a trip to Mexico for Clint and family for the purpose of handing out flyers would far exceed the costs of Clint's participation to some capacity in the search effort between Colorado City and Big Spring ... the route that cell phone pings indicate that Shawn took on the morning of December 27th.

Janet

I agree, but wasnt there claims that he lived in NM?   Still, the border is not a far fetched location if the worse happened & Shawn is responsible but got assistance OR a stranger is guilty for what happened to Hailey (IMHO, as evidenced by my posts is its not the latter but I cannot out rule it totally).

I will take the blame for the phrase "man up" into the thread as I said the other night SHAWN needed to man up and tell where Hailey is and save a lot of people further heartache. It was on the last thread, I believe. I'm not going to bump it up.

Maybe Clint is getting as far away from Shawn as he can to keep from beating the ever lovin' snit out of him. Shawn has been reportedly still going to and fro between Dunn and Big Spring, and sooner or later their paths could cross. Clint is more of a man, jail and arrest record, dead beat dad or whatever he is supposed to be, that Shawn Atkins could ever be, in my opinion.

Even Lovington, NM is not really that far from Big Spring. 133 miles, not far in Texas terms. But I think Corey lives in Snyder too, and may be who Billie and Shawn got their illicit drugs from that night they were in Snyder buying them.  God knows we saw enough bottles of drugs in Corey's videos. Maybe Lovington is his source of supply. It wouldn't be the first time a pharmacist would be involved in such things. Again, just my opinion.

Hey ya Janet!

We dont know where the funds are coming from for Clint to drive around on Shawn's route or elsewhere for certain, I'm not sure I care what it costs if at least he is doing something constructive toward the search with the funds...that is just me.   Clint has visited searches on the route Shawn took, as I mentioned...I see nothing unusual that he is branching out as well, as well evidenced its at least a good bit more than I can say for Billie.  She's done nothing but worry about her image & her precious psycho boyfriend, that is until Mark Klass went down there advising her on how to improve her image overlooking all her lies & support of an abusive demented b/f. 

I must say it is often advised for blood relatives to not physically search knowing they may find a body, it is hardly ever encouraged by LE because the lasting impression could be just too much to bare.  We've seen those that do despite that advise & that is commendable but it is never the encouraged norm.   In many cases families may participate in passing out flyers, appearing to encourage searchers & following leads but rarely is it advisable to be on the trail God forbid they make a discovery...this is being said from a work experience viewpoint.  However, as a mother I state I would turn over every rock & I'm putting sure that's close to the honest truth knowing how head strong I can be & cannot sit helpless in situations BUT even that being said I cannot be 100% sure if that inner strength would hold in that situation or that I eventually wouldnt heed the words of well-advised professionals in capacities that I have worked with respectfully over the years.

I hear what you are saying with sincere consideration & appreciation for healthy deliberation, on occasion it will just differ a tad but agree totally in other aspects.  The beauty of this forum is that we all can express our views & analyse all the facts as we know them, speculate on what may have happened based on what we've learned as well as share life experience & knowledge to brainstorm together in the hopes we will find more answers.   Unlike many other topic forums, this one's inception serves from mutual concern for our most vulnerable albeit meeting online friends along the way & keeping these cases in the forefront, even on a few occasions coming across something that may aide in finding answers...its all good & personally very much respected.

I didn't forget about Jug. Natalee's family on all / both sides had support and they were all persons of good character, before, during and after, unlike some of these cases. 
A person could live anywhere on FB/MS. Just choose where you want to live, drop down provided.
Didn't the cousin's Dad / Norwood live in Snyder ? 

I heard that Kat...think so Kat but my point is the cousin said he was from NM but also he had prescriptions on his videos that were from Lovington, NM

Hi Monkey's,

Could anyone guess, please, what H.S. she attended?  What year?  Does she have a sister or just SIL?
TIA :smt119

But those videos were from 2008

What high school WHO attended?  Billie?

I realize that too, however, my point is that they are familiar with the area so its not out of the realm of possibilities that one or the both of them returned to that area in what I fear took place in this case.   Possible, not saying it is.

I agree.  While he hasn't felt he can join in the actual searches in the bad places, he does at least show up and talk to the searchers, participates in his own way, unlike Shawn who apparently would just show up and stare while they were searching.  Creepy.

I think this is one of those huge proverbial defining moments in his life.  Now he's faced with all he has done and not done, all he can potentially do (and all that he can please stop doing so that he'll be a better dad and a better man), etc.

It's a hard thing to go through a defining moment right at the moment when you have a brand new baby and, most importantly, a missing baby-girl.  That being said, he himself has said that he sees himself currently changing a lot in the way he lives his life and the way he relates to his family and those around him.

I don't envy him any of it, and it's painful to watch, but I suppose that (other than the missing Hailey - which is absolutely horrible) the changes in his life, and maybe the importance of the circumstances surround them (strong enough to get him off his tush and CHANGE) were what it was going to take to get him to fix his life.

I'm like you; I hope that he has a lot of support, and I hope he makes it through the manning-up process because I, too, see that he's going to have to do that - and it seems like he is.

By the way, this being said, it's interesting to see how some grow (Clint) and others don't seem to be growing much (Billy - still talking to her boyfriend).  I hope she at least takes the lemons of this circumstance and grows up!  You can grow up and not grow old, Billie - it really is possible.

LOL I love you for these Fanny-Mae-Moments-TM.

I thought when Shawn was at his GM's house, he would come out and be seen as they were searching near her property.
..........
I keep going back to the document that was released to obtain the search warrant and I can see why he is the suspect. Whether or not a person believes in LDT or not.
He told one story of his whereabouts during his interviews.
His place of employment contradicted his " got fired, quit, had an issue with a co worker "
His cell pings did not agree to his statements as to where he was on the Monday Dec 27,2010. Have no idea what Billie / Shawn told LE about Sunday or Tuesday, but I suspect their stories do not match in regards to Hailey.
This is the day she disappeared probably, the 27 th  and he lied in his statements in a substantive way.
I heard that when they do a search warrant they put in the Minimum to get the warrant. So, they have more. 
If this was just the Colorado City police, the ones we heard on the 911 tape from last Feb , I might be skeptical, but, the FBI and the Texas Rangers were involved in this case.
He is not smart. He deleted the 11 calls, three of them to Billie. Guess he didn't think they could get those records reagardless.   

Hey guys, ready for another ground-hog moment? Look what I found...

Props go to CARTFLY for providing "Warrior". I knew it was mma related! I was on eBay today looking for a pair of mma shorts for my son. I searched Tap Out, Cage Fighter, UFC mma clothing and came across this Warrior International hoodie for sale! It's IDENTICAL to the one Naomi is wearing in the picture with Hailey. Personally, I don't think it holds significance, but since everyone was trying to decipher what the "graphic" was on the front of the hoodie, I thought I'd post it to put all questions to rest.


Here's the pic of Hailey holding her sister Chloe with Naomi looking on in the background:

(http://i563.photobucket.com/albums/ss80/_Titch_/Hailey%20Dunn/hcn.jpg)


Here's the pics of the hoodie I found on eBay today:

(http://i563.photobucket.com/albums/ss80/_Titch_/Hailey%20Dunn/11341.jpg)

(http://i563.photobucket.com/albums/ss80/_Titch_/Hailey%20Dunn/11340.jpg)


Here's the link where it's located on eBay today 1/29/11. To the seller, this pic is not being used for selling purposes...only for comparison in a missing child's case. Thank you. Link:

http://cgi.ebay.com/UFC-MMA-WARRIOR-INTERNATIONAL-HORNS-HOODY-HOODIE-XL-/390057554170?pt=US_CSA_MC_Shirts&hash=item5ad13df0fa

Respectifully bolded by me, I've been told the same thing.

One thing I know about a red neck southern boy such as Clint, he doesn't go around bragging what he is going to do and beating his chest about how tough he is. He quietly goes about his business, and never lets on to his intentions and then (http://i844.photobucket.com/albums/ab6/fannymae66/71.gif)

I love southern red neck boys myself. JMO

TITCH, I am glad to see you back again. I don't think I have seen you since the other night, but I haven't been on the thread lately, so I just may have missed you.

I agree both of you about the minimal information on getting a warrant.

Going through my notes...came across the couch in the truck. In case we don't have this, here it is.

Maria Oliver is a reporter / news anchor. Here's her Twitter pics (YFroggy)http://yfrog.com/froggy.php?username=MariaOliver46

Her pic link showing couch in the back of Shawn's truck:
http://yfrog.com/gyqcftj

The actual pic:
(http://i563.photobucket.com/albums/ss80/_Titch_/Hailey%20Dunn/couchintruck.jpg)

That sure looks like the same shirt. So my question is, does Warrior-International have any special significance?

Really I'm amazed that you found the shirt!  I'm with you - I don't think it's really groundshakingly significant, but I *do* think it's really neat that you could find the darn thing - to SHOW at least what the shirt means.  Thanks for the work!

It's Mixed Martial Arts style fighting.  Looks to me (absolutely not at all a qualified opinion or experienced with fighting in any way) that it's related to UFC fighting.

Wow Titch, nice find!

I don't know if this has been posted before:  "One on One with Hailey Dunn's Mother" from CBS 7:  http://www.cbs7kosa.com/news/details.asp?ID=23579

Excerpt from the text (same address):
-------------------
Beau Berman
CBS 7 News
bberman@cbs7.com
January 27, 2011

Colorado City, Texas -

From the first day her daughter turned up missing Billie Jean Dunn has been the focus of community support but also a target for criticism.

On the one-month anniversary since Hailey Dunn went missing, Billie invited CBS 7 to sit down with her for a one on one interview and discuss how she’s been coping.
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The same couch with the western/Indian type upholstery! High five, Sista!  (http://i844.photobucket.com/albums/ab6/fannymae66/monkeyLPdance-1.gif)  And I finally got to see a real  police car, albeit a State Trooper. I guess he is standing by while Honeybuns gets his belongings. I wonder if that is Trooper Snarky and If the Admiral Kampfer gave him permission to be there.   ::MonkeyRoll::

Exactly.  It could mean nothing at all or it could show the kind of people they hang out with.  By the way, in the Amy Henslee case her husbands cousin was into cage fighting and he was the one who shot and killed Amy and his girlfriend.  They say he had anger issues. 

http://madeira.hccanet.org/project2_2010/phelpsp2/preplanning2/sponsors.html

Wow, thanks Fanny! I love it here so much! Seriously, though, my time is sporatic this time of year bc my boys wrestle. It's incredibly time consuming. Football season is the same way. I'm sick of it. When I'm able to have a little bit of down time, I almost always gravitate here...lol.

Something else... A judge will not sign off on a warrant unless the affidavits show truth and probability. This is why I don't believe Billie is 100% forthcoming bc I believe the questioning was recorded in some way, whether videotaped or voice recording.

Having said that, it doesn't necessarily mean she's directly responsible or has direct knowledge of what happened to her daughter. I still hold her partially responsible, can;t help it, bc ultimately she's the one that made the decision to leave her daughter home unsupervised & didn't even check on her staying at somebody else's house. I think that's just flat out crazy.

Thanks for the link STARWYN. We have heard all about how Billie has been coping. What I myself wonder about is how HAILEY has been coping. Again, I heard no concern about whether Hailey is scared, or cold, or is getting fed. Or how much she loves Hailey, and her heart is broken for Hailey.  More BS spin in my view.  ::MonkeyMad::

Thank you ! Thank you ! Titch....I looked high and low for that pic....now we have it ....you are the best ! I knew he took that couch ....now there is a link and a picture for anyone who doubted it !  ::MonkeyDance::

I hope they got a search warrant for that couch, but dollars to doughnuts if they haven't, that couch is long gone.

(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5252/5399563814_da98234173_o.jpg)

(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5059/5399563788_f8d07659e6_o.jpg)

Where is this leather couch?

(http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Hailey%20Dunn%20%20-TX-/haileyslide1.jpg)

Klaas, is the leather couch pic from Billie's house? I thought she had the Indian/Navahoe print sofa in her house?

You're welcome everybody. Sorry I didn't quote you all but trying to save space.

 ::MonkeyKiss::

Focus of community support... Yeah, shame they all couldn't keep an eye out on Hailey while Billie was away and Hailey was left to fend for herself.

Leather couch picture could have been taken at someone else's house. Either that, or there could have been a den in her house. When Shawn moved in, they may have had two couches because she had one already. I have seen her sitting on the leather couch in more recent videos.  :smt102 Just my guesses.

I have no idea who's house the leather couch is in, I'm guessing not Billie's house.  The top photo is from a January 3 interview and that shows the indian print couch, the same one in the truck. 

I still want to know more about the neighbor.

Think about it: If Hailey was harmed by Shawn, then it had to either be early in the morning or late afternoon. According to the cell pings, Shawn was pinging off of a tower in Big Spring til 2:40, so there's no way he could have seen Hailey at 3:00. If Hailey was still alive when Shawn got home, then he only had until 4:00 to do the deed & hide or get rid of her bc David crawled through the window at 4:00. Going off of that last cell ping around 2:40, it would leave the smallest window for this to be accomplished. For this reason & this reason alone, and if Shawn is the true culprit, then it had to be done early in the morning after 9:00 pm the night before when David saw her in the livingroom (not bedroom like Billie said) and  the next morning when Shawn's cell started pinging in Big Spring.

So, if it wasn't Shawn, then who else could it be? How come nothing's come out regarding the beighbor that was kicked out? Remember I posted that snippet in the last thread? How could Shawn have done this all on his own? If neighbor's saw Billie leave for work, then surely they'd see Shawn carrying something out of the house... I do believe the show fits with Shawn, but some stuff just makes me think something seems off. Either Billie's the best actress in the world or she truly is a spedtial person...just sayin'. She just might be, and whatever she was on might be wearing off and helping her to think clearer, and to feel something, ie remorse.

Back to the neighbor. What do we know about the neighbor and the guy that kicked him out and also told police his story was not credible? Here's the link & snippet again:

http://www.reporternews.com/news/2011/jan/19/official-rumor-untrue-missing-colorado-city-teen-h/

Snipped
Travis Walston, who owns a house two doors down from the Dunn home, reported seeing the teenager Christmas Eve.

He said that Dennis Pharris, who was living in Walston's house, reported seeing Hailey in her backyard talking on a cell phone at noon Dec. 27.

"I have told the cops that his story is not reliable," said Walston, who added that he had kicked Pharris out of the house. It is unknown whether Pharris is a person of interest.

ps- sorry 'bout all my typos. i type too fast & should take the time to proof read!

Titch...I want to know more about this neighbor too!

Not sure about their anger issues in this case, but... Clint & David both favor Tap Out attire. Tap Out, Warrior Intl (used to be Warrior Wear), Cage Fighter, RVCA, UFC - all mma brands. There's tons more. UFC Cage Fighting made them all famous. My boys favor them, also. I can;t stand it but they absolutely love it.

Side note: I grew up on boxing. I can't tell you how many fights I saw at Madison Square Gardens. I saw a couple in Las Vegas, too. IMO, boxing is still big with some grownups but UFC and cage fighting has replaced alot of it. It's more physical. I can't stand it, makes me upset...but it's HUGELY popular...no matter how much or little money you have, no matter the color of your skin, no matter the religion, etc. My oldest, soon to be 17, is involved.

Klaas, I live in NJ. My boys wrestle. Alot. Blair Academy is one of the best prep schools in NJ. My son's best friend has been on Team NJ 2 of the past 3 years. The coach from Blair was their coach for AllStars - Team NJ. Their entire wrestling team (Blair) participates in mma. There's several schools throughout the US that offer this same thing. I'm informing this only to put it into perspective, to inform how popular it is.

You're good-that's it! I'm now thinking it's unrelated too. I never thought the hoodie itself was related, but in a case that seemed to have stalled, I did think if they all were into some sort of clique that maybe it's time to talk to others also affiliated.

If biker jackets and Hells Angel's emblems had popped up all over in this investigation, I bet detectives would have already went to their club house and talked to them. In the day and age of internet there are groups a whole lot worse, they just aren't as well known and could be skipped over.

He77, I have thought about becoming a cage fighter too, just to be hip. I'm too young not to be hip and know these things. Do you think I could go undercover and find out things?  (http://i844.photobucket.com/albums/ab6/fannymae66/14.gif)

In case that reads wrong I wanted to add that by clique I wasn't meaning MMA, as far as I'm concerned that's a sport and people often wear logos and clothing sport related. I was talking about the more underground groups, known to live by their own agenda.

Shy-monkey - I agree, especially when juggalos were mentioned in the affidavits. Man, my mind was so boggled after reading those affidavits and then listening to Billie on CNN. I trust the affidavits and warrants.

There's something I'm wondering about, though. So many people are on board, including me, that were thinking right from the get-go that Shawn could be manipulating Billie. Well, everytime I go over the affidavits I see everything that she printed out at work, there were alot of pages, let alone ink, used and it was all done at Billie's job. So, after hearing her refer to them as a "hobby", and then hearing her say "comedy", well what about if she could be the manipulator? Seems as though she printed off some pretty interesting cases. I wonder if she studied them...

You go girl!   So its fact not fiction, great searching!

I'm still going through notes, trying to get rid of stuff that's been disproven or deemed insignificant. I'm looking for inside pictures of Billie's house. I think those table & chairs shown in the leather couch pic are in Billie's home, so if that's the case then the leather couch must be hers. I'm trying Klaas...

LOL- Oh yeah, a cage fighting, super hip, undercover monkey detective, out solving crime would be big business. Most likely you'd even get your own Franny Bad Ask clothing line, unique logo and everything.....suit up and get to crackin'! start at the neighbor's house, make him explain the where's and why's of his ex-roomate's (whatever he was) Hailey sighting.   

Fanny omg lol!

And its getting more popular, like anything everything has its norms & extremes...just saying    OMG Titch, I didnt know you were a Jersey girl, me too until a few years ago.   I know Blair Academy, its a very renown prep school with quite a bit of success in both sports & academics for a long time up there near Andover/Hackettstown, etc.  The overall student body from everything I've ever experienced thru the years was commendable & high achieving. 

I think that the leather couch is inside g-mas house , aren't they wearing the same clothes that they were wearing when they were sitting in front of the white brick fireplace in the pic with the brother David Dunn? This time Hailey looks happy and Billie looks a lil preturbed .......the solid blue couch I think is the replacement that is in Billies house...she did an interview sitting on it .....JMO I bet we might can figure it out on Cranky's pictures.

That thought has crossed my mind more than a few times  ::HelloKitty::

Also wrt the missing neighbor, I read (no clue where as I have read so much and forgotten 1/2) that he was in a wheelchair/disabled.....that's kinda why I thought it would have been much harder for him to pull something like this off. I still think SA did it and Billie either was involved to some extent possibly after the fact on helping cover for him, seeing how that is when she really gets emotional when she speaks about him, how much she loves him, how they are now talking and he prays for Hailey blah blah blah....still haven't seen much emotion from him when she speaks about Hailey.

Yep, I think you're right now that I think about it. I was misremembering the table & chairs in Billie's house ugggh! I believe you're right...and THANK yewwwww!

OMG IM - I didn;t hear that he was in a wheel chair! Which guy? The owner or the guy that stayed there? Walston or Pharris? I'll try to search it now, unless you have it...

Just trying to put myself in Shawn's position for a moment.  If I were so in love with Billie and loved Hailey and David, during this trying time for the family why would I move out AND even take my couch?  Why not just move out until my name is cleared then move back in with Billie?

I don't know how to bring stuff over but the blue couch video is on page 8 and the pic with the same clothes is on page 9 of cranky's photobucket site.

I agree, and there is nothing more ignorant than an ignorant person on drugs.  :2doh:

Gotta love the Fanny wit but dang woman, we got a situation here before you are (http://www.studentsoftheworld.info/sites/sport/img/274_Hellcell.jpg) ready.   I will say this though I'd love to see that scum Shawn up against any of those pros, Id pay for front row seats!

Is this the link? I can't find the pictures.

http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Hailey%20Dunn%20%20-TX-/#!cpZZ1QQtppZZ12 (http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Hailey%20Dunn%20%20-TX-/#!cpZZ1QQtppZZ12)

Yup, and if Billie didnt believe what people were telling her you'd think she'd need her boo for moral support at such a trying time.  Shawn has done nothing to help organize searches or anything else for that matter even as a false impression to care to find Hailey...its just words & they fall short of the truth.

Jersey born & bred...don't know if that's a good thing? Sure I have a Jersey attitude but I tend to think that hails from my Italian Nona! Lol! Florida is where I'm happiest, doesn't even matter which part of the state, although I love central Florida on towards Tampa. Went to college in Northern Florida, loved it there, too. Can't wait to move back! Yeah, Blair is an awesome school! I sure wish I could afford for my boys to go there, but even if I could we live in South Jersey anyway. My son's best friend is 6th in our nation right now, in 9th grade, & already has colleges looking at him & making offers. They lie when they say they don't, I know from person experience. He already has a letter from UNC! Ok, sorry for the o/t Klaas.

I just found this in my notes...
http://www.cbs7.com/news/details.asp?ID=23234

Snippet:
Grace said that she does not believe Hailey ran away based on the evidence.

According to City Manager Kampfer, search dogs picked up a few scent spots indicative of Hailey’s presence near the Western Suites hotel off I-20, just a few blocks from Hailey’s home.

Kampfer says the scents were detected after law enforcement brought the dogs to several locations, not by following any sort of “trail” to the hotel.

Now I ask this: Wasn't it Nancy Grace that reported that the dogs trailed Hailey's scent to the hotel? I remember, I know it was stated on tv, just not perfectly sure it was Nancy Grace's show... So the dogs did not, trace Hailey's scent to the hotel. Instead, the cops took the dogs to locations and they "hit" on her scent. There is a HUGE difference in that info. If they specifically didn;t trail her scent there, then 9 times out of 10 that wasn;t the last path she travelled! This makes me mad bc sooo many of us concentrated on that tidbit of info and kept trying to figure it into the bigger scheme of things! Chances are her scent just travelled & wafted in certain places due to the fact it's her near neighborhood, etc!

yes look on pages 8 and 9

Thanks!

Searches Saturday turn up no evidence
Staff reports
Published Saturday, January 29, 2011

COLORADO CITY — Drawing closer to five weeks since the disappearance of teenager Hailey Dunn, law enforcement and volunteer searches continued Saturday.

Scurry and Mitchell counties were searched, including the roads used by named suspect Shawn Adkins to travel to and from work in Snyder. Adkins is the former live-in boyfriend of the teen's mother, Billie Jean Dunn.

There was no news to report, said Pete Kampfer, city manager of Colorado City and media spokesperson for the task force investigating the 13-year-old's disappearance.

<snipped>

http://m.reporternews.com/news/2011/jan/29/searches-saturday-turn-up-no-evidence/

I completely agree! Also, when was the couch moved out? Does anyone have the exact day? Remember after Hailey was reported missing the cops said they were searching the house? I think that original search of the house was on a Wednesday? Was it the first Wednesday after the day she was reported missing, or the following week? I'm wondering if the couch was out of the house before the search by le...

I found the one with Billie sitting on a lighter blue upholstered seat, but honestly it looks like a side chair to me. I swear one night I saw her sitting on a NG interview on a leather chair I thought was a dark sofa. Maybe she was doing that interview at her mother's house that time.

Yes, there is a huge differential.   If she was on foot there would be a trail, if she was driven there only from the parking lot where a car would have parked to the motel door.   I have my doubts whether the motel is even relevant but I cant rule it out either. 

With the troopers car sitting out front, I don't think it was the amicable dissolution of property that Billie tried to make it out to be. Probably there were voices raised enough for the neighbors to hear. If you look real close at the picture, I think there is another LE car sitting to the left, almost out of the picture. That tells me the trooper had a backup and they were expecting trouble.

I specifically remember Billie stating on Nancy Grace that she told him to move out after the results of his ldt... She also said at least until everything is cleared up and Hailey is found.

He went to stay at his GrandMa's. Why did he need to take the couch ?
Sure she needed an extra piece of furniture.
Like that is so unimportant. Then, we hear that Hailey usually fell asleep watching tv. On A couch.

Could be this case is so crazy

I agree

I also think the southwest print sofa was replaced by a blue one...the walls look same color to me. In the pic with Shawn it was SW sofa...ones with just her were blue sofa.

This link states that le was concentrating on the house & shed out back yesterday and the article is dated Jan 6th, it was an update of a Jan 5th article directly below it. So, le searched the house on 1/5/11.

Link:
http://www.cbs7.com/news/details.asp?ID=23234

Elias Hernandez
CBS 7 News
ehernandez@cbs7.com
January 6, 2011

UPDATE 12:00 PM

Colorado City, Texas -

The Texas Department of Criminal Justice search guards and dogs did a "grid search" overnight, even scouring the riverbeds.

Colorado City officials confirm Texas Rangers have heard that Hailey’s mother's boyfriend, Shawn Adkins, has skipped town. It has not been confirmed by officials that he has skipped polygraph testing.

Adkins has not been named a suspect and authorities have not been able to corroborate this account.

City officials confirm they are sending the DPS helicopter to continue searching the area.

Yesterday, authorities were focusing their search on the home of Hailey Dunn and a shed just behind it.

Several officials were seen carrying out bags of what appear to be evidence.

Meanwhile, city officials say foul play is now a possibility.

Maybe he gave the couch to his ex in Big Spring, wouldn't that pizzz Billie off ? I thought at first that the fight that they had on v-day was about what Hailey told G-ma but now I am thinking that it was over the other woman but I do however think that is why Clint and SA got into a fight  JMO

Klaas

I have done a google search and cannot find where it is reported that Shawn took the couch.  Other than Billie claiming that Hailey slept on it up until a week prior to her going missing ... the couch does not appear to be an issue.

Obviously ... I am missing something.

Janet

Well, we do have this photo of it in Shawn's truck.  I'll try and find where it was said. 

(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5059/5399563788_f8d07659e6_o.jpg)

Thanks Klaas.

Janet

How would you explain the picture with the sofa in the truck and the popo sitting out front. I doubt they were there when he was moving in for the first time with Billie.  The relevance to me is there could be forensics on it, maybe lost forever.

You can also use this link that states Billie asked him to move out. This is on the 5th, the same day le searched the house:

http://www.reporternews.com/news/2011/jan/14/shawn-adkins-colorado-city-missing-Hailey-Dunn/

Snippet
Dunn has denied any involvement in her daughter's disappearance. She told Adkins to move out of their home Jan. 5.

So now any fibers or hair from Hailey can be explained away since the sofa was in the back of his truck. Right?

Who does the truck belong to?

Thanks.

Janet

I haven't seen the registration for it, but I think it is supposed to be Shawn's truck that was not supposed to be running. That is why they were using the one car to go back and forth in before and for their drug run.  I'm guessing the truck got a fast tune up.

I think that if he took  the couch because he was upset with Billie for making him leave it shows his maturity level as well as his spitefulness but I am more concerned that this might have been cooked up to get rid of a piece of evidence that is too big to hide easily....Since at first they classified Hailey as runaway I have to wonder how well they searched the house and it's contents..I know that it was stated by Billie on NG that they did a walk through and then later came back and searched again..I have not seen where the house was taped off with the yellow tape and windows covered for luminol or anything even in the Haleigh Cummings case they did that. I  think that the couch should be checked out myself but then again that is JMO

Omg you're so right. Regarding the tape, they don't use crime scene tape until the site is determined to have housed a crime. If in the future they determine that a crime took place inside of the house, they'll put up crime scene tape & lock everything up to have crime scene investigators disect the scene.

agreed..and if there is a child missing, does one really think about moving a  couch out of the house where that child lives??? what was so important about taking that couch out of there???? boggles the mind that is for sure...that would be the last thing on my mind...

Hey ... maybe Grandma did not have an extra bed.

Nevertheless ... I believe that the couch should have confiscated by LE as possible evidence  and forensically tested prior to Shawn taking it ... IF he took it.

Janet

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The Parting

NANCY GRACE
Aired January 6, 2011 - 20:00   ET

<snipped>

BILLIE DUNN: As soon as I found out he failed the test, I told him I didn`t want him back at my house. And now I don`t know what to think anymore. I would just rather he stay there until she comes home or they find her and we clear this up.

GRACE: What was his response when you told him to get out?

BILLIE DUNN: He was very tearful, very tearful, and he said he would go. ....

GRACE: When you told him you wanted him out, what, if anything, did he say about Hailey?

DUNN: He looked at me, told me, you know -- you know me better than anybody. You know I love you, you know I love Hailey and David, you know I couldn`t do this. At the same time I told him, yes, I know that, Shawn, but I also know you failed that test. Why did you fail that test?

<snipped>

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1101/06/ng.01.html

Lots of luck finding it to check it out. Remember, these are the boys who have an obsession with chainsaws. It has probably occupied a firepit somewhere, and is now ashes to fertilize someone's tomatoes soon. I would put nothing past Shawn and his monster buddies.

What I want to know if Billie helped him carry the sofa out to the truck. Somehow it sounds like something she would do for him. She wouldn't want him to strain his back or anything. Yes, I'm being snarky. 

Oh maybe, I hadn't even considered that angle.

After I read the affadavits I wondered if she is currently working at the hospital, were the claims about her nursing license being suspended wrong.

I also questioned if she is working a desk job at a hospital, do they know and allow their employees to surf the web, printing out whatever they want, while clocked in, if so where can I apply. lol Do they not have a home computer?

Off topic comment-I sure hope in the event my computer is ever taken by LE that they realize the searches etc found are case related-lol

The records were found of her RN license being revoked. I do think she works at a hospital or nursing home as a unit secretary. And I guess they let her get away with it as long as they haven't caught her yet.

My son does the maintenance on my computer. I have been at this for about three year. After all this time, he is shockproof.  ::piggy::

By then it seems as though a lot of evidence would/could  be lost ....I think they should have done it in the beginning just to be safe....they might find something that proves a crime took place there, just seems strange to me that they did not do this already  ::MonkeyNoNo::

Yes it is probably long gone by now

I believe it was the Colorado City PD took the stock answer and said she was a runaway. Something like killing a 13 yr old never entered their heads. Couldn't possibly happen in their town. No sir. Just listen to the Official spokesman. That ought to give you a clue of the police mentality there. The case was screwed up from the beginning. The rest of the statements out of Kampfer's mouth has just been damage control. The first few days was all about why the state would not issue an Amber alert. By the time an Amber Alert would have been issued it would have been way too late for Hailey anyway, in my view.

Yea, that...but it would not explain his DNA on the couch that you would otherwise find on a sheet (was that delicately put enough?)

The mayor was no better in an interview defending his township & being more concerned that NG had critcism of it which he called unfair...not my words, his.   The interview was a few pages back on the thread.

Klaas, I see you up in the rafters but I have to get off of here. I have in my notes that Shawn's truck, with the couch in the back still, was at his grandmother's house (Renee Norwood). I don't know if it was a video or an actual picture taken by media. I'm looking all over the place on google but haven't found it yet, so I think I need to watch some videos to spot it. Problem is that I need to wake up at 4:30 bc we're leaving at 5:30, youngest is in South Jersey States tomorrow. YIPPEE? I'll look tomorrow night, if that's ok, and if I'm not dead from a draining day tomorrow.

xox everyone goodnight.

I agree so sad...don't they understand that even if she were a runaway she could be in great danger just by being out there alone at that age ... ::MonkeyMad::

Considering this also was the very couch that may have been the one reported Hailey slept on instead of in her room.   Now, that brings up another thing...it was said that Hailey was sleeping on the couch for a period of time recently yet Billie swears she was in her room one night watching TV and the morning in question she claims to have seen her before she went to work (Monday 27th)....see how hinky it gets?

Good night Titch ... I am signing off also...God Bless Hailey

Good Night TITCH. (http://i844.photobucket.com/albums/ab6/fannymae66/sweeetdreams1-1.gif)

Janet, I remember seeing it still in the back of his truck at his gmom's house, after he left Billie's house to stay with his gmom. Problem is I don't remember if it was video or picture. I have to get off of here, otherwise I'd continue to search for it. I'm trying to be as thorough as I can, I found so much in some of my old notes...thank GOD I didn't write in shorthand!

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Hoping somebody finds this by tomorrow, otherwise I'll search when I get back tomorrow night or something. Only trying to be thorough and helpful with the info. Hugs to ya!

Nighty-nite.

especially if it were mixed with someone else's dna.

gosh, really gotta go or i won't wake up... i'll be dreaming of this, i just know it!

I'm outta here myself. I've had a rough few days.  (http://i844.photobucket.com/albums/ab6/fannymae66/smiliesleeping.gif)

Buon notte Titch and everyone, I'm out too...watching US national Figure skating champs & then a movie (http://robbie93andhotchildxox.net/Smileys/default/popcorn2.gif)

Trying to be discreet, but many a couple have been intimate on a sofa...so yes it could be explained if his was there.

I am  ::MonkeyShocked:: ...Billie was an RN at one time? That is not an easy degree to get. Who would let it lapse.

Billie was not an RN. She was an LVN who continued to work for nearly a year with an expired license. The license was revoked by Texas board of nursing for fraud.

She was an LVN not an RN.

So she had an LVN...and it was revoked. Wonder why. Whew, I hardly think an RN would let their license be in jeopardy..and if BD was responsible for custody and support of her children, I wonder what happened for her LVN it to be revoked.

I just came back because I remembered Billie was an LVN and not an RN. But I see you have already corrected it for me. Thanks 4DONKS & SHELL. Good Night again. (http://i844.photobucket.com/albums/ab6/fannymae66/GoodNight-1.gif)

That was NICBIRD I needed to thank. So thanks. I'm really gone this time. (http://i844.photobucket.com/albums/ab6/fannymae66/2226.gif)

the words "revoked" and "fraud" are jumping out at me. I supposed that is private info we will never know as to why?

Actually actions taken against nursing licenses are public record. The "fraud" part is simply working as a nurse without a valid license.

http://204.65.111.68/THP/my1ck5y5hzleaa452c3oqf55/613255.PDF

I must be dense, I read it all and I do not see what she initially did wrong to be revoked? Pay fees? Does anybody know?

I really screwed up that last post will a mod please delete it:
Done.  MB
She failed to pay the fee to renew her license and continued to work. Working as a nurse even one day after your license expires is a criminal offense and violates the Nurse Practice Act in every state. She continued to work after her license expired. When the Board of Nursing was notified she was practicing nursing without a license (fraud), she was to appear before the board in a hearing. She did not show for the hearing and her license was revoked permanently for lying and misrepresentation. It is considered a very serious offense in the nursing world and shows an exceptional lack of integrity IMO.

Ok, its quiet in here tonite, I have a question, not sure if I'm having a senior moment or not.  I may have missed this being discussed, hope someone catches this, so here goes:

On the 27th Shawn claims to have gone to work, had a dispute/fired, left at 6:10 am.  Goes to Big Springs arrives at 9:40 am.  David spent the nite at friends the 26th at friends.  Shawn does whatever till he arrives back at CC at 3 pm, sees Hailey, she tells him shes going to dads and than spend the nite at Marybeths.

At 4 pm David is knocking than crawls thru window to find Shawn startled in the hall doing whatever.

Shawn leaves to pick up Billie, withdrawl at bank, than purchase of legal/illegal drugs.  They go home and do whatever for the evening..........Did David spent the nite away again on the 27th?  Shawn tells Billie Hailey is spending the night at Marybeths.

Bille goes to work on the 28th, contacts David to call Hailey home.  Billie has SIL pick her up and drive her to CC, looks for Hailey, goes to Police at 2 pm.  My question is.....

                       WHERE WAS  SHAWN DURING THE DAY OF THE 28TH?

He had the car I imagine since Billie had to get a ride back to CC, but has it ever been confirmed what Shawn was doing on the 28th?

Now I understand..she neglected to pay the fee required to renew. Thanks nicubird   ::MonkeyWink::

Good question Babs but I don't recall any thing. But I am sure one of the other monkeys will remember.

Yes, Thank-you, Billie.  Klaas, could you guess, please, what school or year she guaduated?   :smt102     Thank-you for your time.

Good morning Monkey's,


Who helped him hoist the couch on the truck? 

If this is his truck and if this is the couch, who the helped him?

(http://i844.photobucket.com/albums/ab6/fannymae66/bf-coffee-smiley-1.gif)  GOOD MORNING MONKEYS!

SEAHORSE, I had a post last night that said Billie probably helped him, because she wouldn't want Honeybuns to strain his back. Snark!


I saw this picture of Billie the other day, and I almost, (I said almost) felt sorry for her. (http://i844.photobucket.com/albums/ab6/fannymae66/billiedunnwaitsforhaileytocomehomelr.jpg)

That is the closest time I have ever seen her in as sympathetic grieving mother, although to me she just looks nostalgic. I couldn't help but wonder what and who she was thinking about.

Why were there no charges levied again Billie for practicing without a licence?

Could it be that the "powers that be" chose silence the issue to avoid any lawsuits that may be gleaned from any attention?  After all ... the hospital was negligent.  The Records Department were in possession of Billie's records and had a responsibility to assure that all licences pertaining to their nurses were current.

Think about it.  Billie may not be working as a nurse but ... she was been afforded a position within the system.

Janet

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Hailey Dunn: Unfolding a story of a missing teenager and her family
By Brian Bethel
Published Saturday, January 8, 2011

<snipped>

A search of website publicdata.com reveals no criminal histories for Billie Jean Dunn  or for Shawn Adkins. Clint Dunn, however, has multiple arrests, starting in 1994 for burglary of a building, a state jail felony. Following that are subsequent arrests in 1998 for possession of marijuana, under 2 ounces, one in March 1999 for driving with a suspended license.

He was arrested again Jan. 30, 2010, by Snyder police for possession of marijuana under 2 ounces. And he was arrested at his home Dec. 29, again for possession of marijuana under 2 ounces, and a Scurry County warrant.

In 2008, Billie Jean Dunn’s license to practice nursing in the state was revoked by the Texas Board of Nursing. According to the group’s formal charges, Dunn practiced as a vocational nurse without a license from June 1, 2007, to April 20, 2008, while employed at Cogdell Memorial Hospital in Snyder. Board records indicate her license expired May 31, 2007.

Dunn’s conduct “deceived residents, their families, fellow caregivers and the public,”  who believed that her practice of nursing was in compliance with the board’s rules and regulations, according to the board’s findings. Dunn was, according to the board, given an opportunity to show compliance with state law to retain her license.

The case was heard in an open meeting in Austin on Nov. 12, 2008. Dunn did not appear, the record says.

<snipped>

http://m.reporternews.com/news/2011/jan/08/xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx/?partner=RSS


NANCY GRACE
Aired January 12, 2011 - 20:00:00   ET

<snipped>

DUNN: ... I`m the secretary up there at the hospital. I left about 6:30.

GRACE: So 6:30 a.m. And --

DUNN: Yes.

GRACE: Your live-in Shawn Adkins, what time did he leave?

DUNN: He left at 5:30.

<snipped>

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1101/12/ng.01.

I have asked that question over and over, and so have other Monkeys.   :smt102  It seems like that Tuesday should be very important.

Morning back Fanny & monkeys (http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b152/mslaitte/COFFEE/COFFEEblobDrinkin.gif) This photo op reminds me of the one Cindy Anthony did with a local station to elicit sympathy considering it was taken weeks after Hailey's disappearance & all that we know so far.   It may appear that is a snarky & unforgiving comment but I have not hidden my angst toward this woman nor will I be in the future.  Even if there is a tinge of sympathy for her, it disappears instantly when I think of how she kept bringing back an abusive psycho into her home with her children, is still ignoring the threats he made & overlooking the obvious about him after Hailey's disappearance.   The fact that she is more concerned about her image & defending Shawn to the point that she is talking slander gets me even more irate.   I am sure she feels guilty & needs Hailey alive to also dismiss her poor judgment & decisions but this woman needs to face reality, her daughter needed her concern, attention & unconditional love well before Dec 26, 2010.   Again, I'm sure Billie cares for her children to some level but the truth is she has been too selfish, immature & stuck on stupid to get out of her own rut much less raise children...she's 33 NOT 16, grow up Billie & get real.

I don't think that David's whereabouts has been revealed ... whereabouts from 4:00 PM on December 27 to noon on December 28th.

Janet

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NANCY GRACE
Aired January 3, 2011 - 20:00:00   ET

<snipped>

DUNN:   She went missing on Monday while I was at work. My boyfriend - - he came home from work about 3:00 -- or he got to my house about 3:00. And he`s seen Hailey. Hailey was there. She told him, I`m running across the street to my dad`s house for a few minutes but I`m going Mary Beth`s, and I`m staying the night there. Let my mom know.

So that evening when he picked me up from work, we got home, we were getting ready for bed. I didn`t get worried when I hadn`t heard from Hailey. I thought she was at Mary Beth`s. I was kind of upset that she didn`t call and confirm it with me, but not worried at that point.

Tuesday, I was at work again, I left my cell phone at home for my kids to use when I`m working. So Tuesday, I called my son. I said tell Hailey text the little girl, her friend, tell Hailey she needs to go ahead and get home. This was around lunch. My son called me back within a few minutes and she said, mom, she said Hailey never made it over there. She never spent the night.

<snipped>

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1101/03/ng.01.html

It hasnt been completely answered to date.  I can surmise two case scenarios being possible:
1)  Shawn lied to Billie pretending he was going to work & it has not been disclosed yet if pings or other facts indicate where he really was
2)  Billie knew that night something happened & was in on the cover up.

As far as I see it, if Shawn was innocent his whereabouts the entire day of the 28th, Tuesday would not be an issue & everyone would know where he was, especially Billie.   There is something else bothering me about this case, when Billie became "aware" that Hailey never went to Mary Beth's Shawn didnt come rushing to assist Billie in locating her, for a long term boyfriend you'd think Billie would want him there & Shawn would want to be helping his beloved girlfriend ( :puker:).

 ::rhino::

Good Morning Monkeys

Janet
9:00 AM PT

Where Shawn was on Tuesday the 28th has never been officially stated.
We have not seen the cell pings from that date either. But the warrant asked for his cell records from the 25th to the 7th.
No point taking Billie's word for where he was, he lied to her just like he lied to the police.

I agree Kat_Gram. To me, it's very telling that no public information has been provided surrounding SA's activities and cell phone pings for the 28th. I also wonder about LE's dig under Billie's house...Is it possible Hailey was seen on Monday afternoon in the yard, on the phone, by a neighbor and SA did something to her when he got home from Big Springs? Could he have hid her under the house and then disposed of her on the 28th?

I could have my days mixed up again, but I still wonder what led LE to dig under Billie's house and wonder if Hailey had been hidden there until SA could come up with a plan.....

I don't know if they did do a " dig" or just take the skirting off to look in the crawl space.
.........
Let's say Shawn left work just because he was tired, wanted to smoke some dope or go and visit his ex-gf. For Monday and Tuesday. He lies to Billie or just makes it look like he went to work and let her come to her own conclusions.
..
By the time it gets to the point where Hailey is reported missing and he tells the police a pack of lies and his cell records do not match, don't you think that he would have come clean with the police as to his whereabouts ? They don't care if he is a bad dog bf or a dope smoking azz hat ( they probably already knew that ).
..
On January 5th in the evening he calls his aunt from the police station after the lie detector doesn't go too well for him and they want to ask him more questions and he goes to his Grandma's and / or his mother's house.
..
Maybe if he goes back to that former gf, Billie will stop her sticking up for him.

Kat  ::MonkeyWink::

http://bigcountryhomepage.com/fulltext/?nxd_id=336626

Volunteers Come Up Empty in Search for Hailey

Reported by: Tiffany Tatro
Sunday, January 30 2011

Volunteers trained by KlaasKids, a national search and advocate group for missing children, came up empty Saturday in their continued search for clues in the disappearance of 13-year-old Hailey Dunn.

Hailey vanished more than a month ago on the afternoon of December 27, 2010.

The group scaled back its search efforts to just two days a week: Wednesday and Saturday.

About 40 volunteers showed up to help Saturday. Those volunteers tell bigcountryhomepage.com they were able to cover quite a bit of ground across Scurry county.

"We have a map coordinators and she maps out everything and let us know where we need to go," said volunteer coordinator Kristy Lloyd. "We have about five or six different search places and we usually get those done."

((snipped))

 ::MonkeyEek::

Dr. Lillian Glass, famed expert body language analyst will be on The Peter Hyatt Show, Sunday, January 29th, 2011 at 6:30PM, to discuss the latest in the disappearance of 13 year old Hailey Dunn.

http://seamusoriley.blogspot.com/


http://www.blogtalkradio.com/peter-hyatt/2011/01/30/the-peter-hyatt-show

Im curious what she will say, Im betting not too far off from what I already viewed for myself but I'll be taking a listen during the airing or later after its posted depending on how the day goes.

The date is wrong...today is the 30th & on the blog radio page it reflects the 30th 6:30 est

Fanny Mae,

Thank-you for your response!  She may have helped HoneyB :) the sofa appears to be made out of light weight material.

A surveilance cam would detect his truck as where it was headed, right?  It would be hard to miss the truck and sofa.

What do you think?   :shock:

I think someone saw a picture of the truck at his Grandmother's in Dunn when he first went there. But he has been to Big Spring since  then so no telling where it is now. I doubt it the sofa is still in the truck. It really isn't all that unusual to see a truck going down the road with a sofa in it. People move piecemeal all the time.

Hi Fanny Mae & Monkey's,

I THINK I found a webcam link for Synder. I must go through these stupid cam's, again, cause miss it somewhere.
 :dj:

Webcam Search Results for Snyder Texas - EarthCamSnyder Texas web cam,Snyder Texas web cams,Snyder Texas webcam,Snyder Texas ... Groesbeck, Texas is located 45mi east of Waco, TX. This camera shows a ... Live traffic and weather information from the Texas Department of Transportation. ...

www.earthcam.com/search/ft_search.php?term=Snyder+Texas...

http://www.earthcam.com/search/ft_search.php?term=Snyder+Texas&vars=6:0:1:0

I typed in Colorado City, more TX cam's. I need to go through these since I bought up the subject, I should know more about it!

http://www.earthcam.com/search/ft_search.php?s1=1&term=Colorado%20City,+Texas

Grr....I missed a good portion of the interview on blog radio, listening now.  Ill have to listen from the beginning later. They are talking about DV & how SA and BD's relationship was dysfunctional.   A chatter asked if Shawn may be following what took place in Zahar's case.  They are discussing that Shawn was immature & he MAY have believed that Hailey was in love with him (a bit further than I thought, I thought he may be blaming Hailey for his behavior).   Now discussing if Shawn "gave up where to look" as a way to "get back" at Billie, an anger toward Billie.   Ugh, discussing rumor whether its possible Hailey was pregnant & if that would be motivation....ah well duh, yes.  This being tied into his comment that Hailey at 13 was "promiscuous."  Also wondering why Billie labeled him in that medical terminology MHMR (mental health issue) in a previous 911 call, was he in the system for mental health issues or was she simply calling him mentally +++++++ (her words not mine) OR was that her way of getting back at him during an argument.

Asking why Billie would be protecting him, if she had anything to lose even if she didnt participate...at rude commercial break now & the show ended & now is repeating.  As it restarted I was in the kitchen but I heard the host say something about a co-worker wanted to call in.

Now discussing statement analysis.   Peter Hyatt sent Billie an open letter that "caused a stir," his motive was listening to Billie on NG.   He was able to discern deception & the story about Hailey going to a friend's house as "a story" (in other words a lie).   He said that the mom did this several times & he believes Hailey is deceased (sorry Im just repeating).   Peter believes mom knows she is deceased, he says thru Billie's words she told us that without saying so.  He listened to all the interviews to stitch the story together (measuring by pulse, breathing, words, etc.)   Each reaction as a physiological reaction.   He said that there is very little movement, no stress or tension (sensitivity-up tick).   The needle goes way up when Billie was asked where Hailey was up in comparison.  NOTE:  If I seem fragmented or rushing what Im hearing, its because Im typing as I listen.   Talking about the delay taking the LD tests, even if taking drugs her baseline may still show no physiological reaction BUT in spite of drug use that question still peaked, heart rate & breathing go up.   She didnt take the first LD test, failed the next & walked out. She did lie, is she simply covering for SA is it due to her failure to protect.  Peter, sees her enjoying the media attention & said so but in different words on NG.   

Dr. Glass is not able to attend tonight.   She has stated that BD is deceptive.   She might be on the show next week.

Stating that her deception is not always being caught on NG although she did a few times.  Peter:   "She is not being slandered, she's a druggie, a mother that puts her own wants ahead of her childrens' needs & someone that is lying to them."   Once Billie said "My daughter was on the phone," NG says "Whoa, wait a whoa whoa what phone?"  It should have been "a phone" not "the phone."  (that's an article) It should have been "she was on a phone not the phone."  It sounded contrived & Peter doesnt thinks it is part of a plan. 

OK, at this point Im still listening but posting highlights is not doing it justice...I strongly recommend everyone listening at your convenience.  Im listening as I prepare dinner so its getting difficult to type and listen as well as cook & take care of 4 furbabies, my granddoggie Im recently taking care of making the energizer bunny look like its on Valium!

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/peter-hyatt/2011/01/30/the-peter-hyatt-show

Thanks for the recap Cappuccino!!  ::MonkeyAngel::

Most welcome Nic!   Im off for a good bit to have dinner & watch some programs on TV.  Hey how's the little guy?

Peter's opinions are worth listening to at the end of the tape. PH has a few interesting theories. Dr.Glass may be on next week.

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/peter-hyatt/2011/01/30/the-peter-hyatt-show

My neck of the woods, geographically speaking in Texas, about 4 hours away.  I was there yesterday and have posted my thoughts on my blog http://www.flutterbyewings.com/?p=2719 (http://www.flutterbyewings.com/?p=2719)  I am not coming down on any of the parties yet, although I see signs of problems on several fronts. 

Very sad but familiar story.    ::MonkeyNoNo::

Please pray for those who are still trying to find her.

I missed the show, will catch it on the rerun.

O/T for those following the Caylee Anthony case, there is a new interview found with Brad Conway that came out in the last doc dump. It was not put out by some on the media sources but it is on Doc Stock. The link is on the thread. VERY interesting reading. That's why I miss the blog cast.  ::MonkeyBike::

Peter's opinion is she will be frisked, eventually, I am paraphasing him.    :smt087    I want to be delicate with my wording.
I was surprised at his candid opinions at the end of his show.  ::MonkeyShocked::

http://www.ktxs.com/news/26670216/detail.html

Searchers Set Up Account For Contributions
By Jocelyn Tovar, KTXS News
POSTED: 6:38 pm CST January 30, 2011

UPDATED: 7:13 pm CST January 30, 2011
COLORADO CITY, Texas -- Volunteers want to make sure they can continue the search for missing 13-year old Hailey Dunn.

The search group trained by KlaasKids and the Laura Recovery Center have set up an account at the City National Bank of Colorado City, located on 228 Elm Street, for anyone who wants to contribute to their cause.

The account is under the name "Hailey Search".

http://bigcountryhomepage.com/fulltext/?nxd_id=336676

Dunn gives Details Of Potential Person Of Interest

Reported by: Tiffany Tatro
Sunday, January 30 2011
Billie Dunn plans to hold a press conference Monday to give what she says is an accurate time line and discuss a person she thinks should be a person of interest.

Dunn said she wants to set the record straight. "People are miscontruing everything. There's so many things that aren't accurate that's out there. I just need to get the facts out there so people will get back to focing on Hailey," she said. To get the facts out she will hold a press conference giving her version of the first  days her daughter disappeared. Dunn will also say what she can about somebody she thinks needs to be looked at in the case.

"There is somebody else and this is somebody that I'm not just pointing the finger at. Investigators actually told me about him," said Dunn. She added, "He's a person the whole family knows well. We hadn't seen him in a while and then he did make the threats towards me and Hailey only. He felt like we had wronged him."

((snipped))

Missing teen's mom wants to talk to media today

COLORADO CITY — Billie Jean Dunn, the mother of missing Colorado City teen Hailey Dunn, has scheduled her own news conference for 1 p.m. today.

MORE...

http://www.reporternews.com/news/2011/jan/30/missing-teens-mom-wants-to-talk-to-media-today/

Dunn gives Details Of Potential Person Of Interest

Billie Dunn plans to hold a press conference Monday to give what she says is an accurate time line and discuss a person she thinks should be a person of interest.

MORE...

http://bigcountryhomepage.com/fulltext/?nxd_id=336676

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"There is somebody else and this is somebody that I'm not just pointing the finger at. Investigators actually told me about him," said Dunn. She added, "He's a person the whole family knows well. We hadn't seen him in a while and then he did make the threats towards me and Hailey only. He felt like we had wronged him."

http://bigcountryhomepage.com/fulltext/?nxd_id=336676

billie dunn is not a registered nurse,but was a nurse aide till 1994 Edit-fix name typo-MB
she may hold another License Number,like a xray,lab,ect tech,havent checked
but i doubt she is,can be checked here
http://reg.tmb.state.tx.us/OnLineVerif/Phys_SearchVerif.asp

Texas Nurse Aide Registry Verification

Registration
Number Name Inclusion Date Expiration Origination Notes
      
248898 DUNN, BILLIE 09/01/1992 09/01/1994 EXAMINATION This nurse aide's registration is expired. To renew registry status, the nurse aide must provide verification of qualifying employment. If the individual is unable to verify employment, they will have to re-train and/(or) re-test. The nurse aide is currently not employable as a nurse aide in a licensed nursing facility in the state of Texas. This nurse aide has no findings of abuse, neglect or misappropriation of resident property on file with the Texas Nurse Aide Registry.
https://www.asisvcs.com/services/registry/search_generic.asp?CPCat=0644NURSE

and clicking on her #248898 gets this
Texas Nurse Aide Registry Verification

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Report Date: 01/31/2011

INQUIRY RESULTSDEMOGRAPHICS
Name: DUNN, BILLIE


REGISTRATION
Registration #: 248898
Registration Date: 09/01/1992
Expiration Date: 09/01/1994
Basis: EXAMINATION

This nurse aide's registration is expired. To renew registry status, the nurse aide must provide verification of qualifying employment. If the individual is unable to verify employment, they will have to re-train and/(or) re-test. The nurse aide is currently not employable as a nurse aide in a licensed nursing facility in the state of Texas. This nurse aide has no findings of abuse, neglect or misappropriation of resident property on file with the Texas Nurse Aide Registry.

https://www.asisvcs.com/services/registry/results_by_detail.asp?license_number=248898&general_prefix=NU&license_prefix=NA&CPCat=0644NURSE
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https://www.bon.state.tx.us/olv/nurseinq.html

name first last,i went last on dunn and Ostrander,none found

Nurse Online Verification
Texas Nurses may be verified by License Number, Last four digits of the Social Security Number AND Birthdate, or Last AND First name combination (Partial names are allowed, i.e. J Brown). Click on the labeled search tab, enter the desired parameters and click the SUBMIT button. **Note, when performing multiple searches, click the RESET button before entering new search parameters to remove previously entered data.

Texas Nursing License Number, Last four of SSN and Birthdate, First and Last Name
https://www.bon.state.tx.us/olv/nurseinq.html

I thought she said she was a secretary when someone asked her if she was a nurse.

I have to say this. I do not know Billie and have not watched every video of her...but she seems so stiff, tense. My goodness, I think if I had a missing child...for one thing my eyes would be all puffy from crying, my nose would be red as Rudolph. I do not think I could hold it all together for all those interviews. She has been on NG a lot.

But that's just me and that is just my opinion.

I agree with you on that one!  I know we don't know how we would react but I just don't think I could even be on t.v.  I would have to have someone talk for me. 

Goodnight all!  Hopefully I can get on here again tomorrow and see what she said.  Not much time to get on here anymore since my daughter and granddaughter moved in with us while daddy is overseas serving our country. 

Hi G2M...did you follow the Chelsea King case? Compare that mother to Billie, big difference. Also, when I cry it is *ugly*. Maybe other people are different. You are right, we do not know how we would react. I have experienced times in my life when I was numb from grief.

::MonkeyKiss:: to Daddy serving our country

And yes, she did say she was a secretary for the hospital.

She was an LPN until she went for a whole year without renewing her license and then was terminated from her job and the Board of Nursing in Texas suspended her ability to renew for awhile.  She has been eligible to renew and has not for what resons we don't know or understand.  Who wouldn't want the income of an LPN over secretary?  She prolly was a CNA before getting her LPN and maybe worked as one while in school.  To find this exact info all you have to do is search the last tread or two.  So late and I'm so bad at finding links but I knew one of you here could quicker that me.  Night, y'all!

Please do your best to include a link back to the article. I realize it takes time and effort, but there are reasons we need the link. For one thing, it allows readers and posters to get more information.  Also, I've found sometimes what a poster (including me) may recall reading and then posts may have different details or even been wrong from the original.  This in turn causes unintended misinformation, which gets multiplied each time the post is quoted and requoted and some begin to believe it's a fact.  Thanks!  Muffy

Personally, I dont believe a word out of her mouth.   She says it is someone known to the family but its only after investigators told her about him that he should be looked at?   She doesnt know who she has previously pissed off?   Which family hers or Shawn's?   AND WHY NOW after almost 5 weeks!     O no Billie, "people" are not "misconstruing everything," and the only inaccuracies have been provided by you and your boyfriend.    O this should be rich!

T totally agree . . .

(http://i844.photobucket.com/albums/ab6/fannymae66/30jqohejpg.gif)  Here we go with another one of these mother's that everyone has "misunderstood" and the facts have been "miscontrued" ( a la Casey Anthony.) She has gotten more emboldened now that some time has past, and she thinks they may have gotten away with this after all. She's finally up to facing other camera's than NG's where it's possible there will be REAL reporters, or will this be a statement only by her, no questions asked, and the LE are only liars in her eyes and out to get her. She has done nothing, really she hasn't. She won't cry in front of the cameras and just goes into the privacy of her bedroom to do it. If you were so missing your daughter, you couldn't help where you did your ugly crying, it just comes. But her huge hanky only comes out if someone starts talking about HER and how much she must be suffering. Why, even NG has seen her cry off camera, and she put on a big show when Marc Klaas started talking about what an awful way Billie had been treated. She actually dabbed her eyes a couple of times while that conversation was going on. She should take the finger in the eyeball lessons from Casey Anthony.

This will be a well  choreographed "press conference." I wonder if Marc got her a new media spokesman, and someone to coach her on her presentation.

I need to release some of this anger. I think I will go make bread and slap some dough around.

It just gets more bizarre as it goes along, for one Billie is now trying to bump this "person" to a POI, but according to her friend at WS.....well, here it her stmt:

 01-29-2011, 12:40 AM 
czgtz 
Registered User   Join Date: Dec 2010
Posts: 560 
 
Ok, while the thread was closed, I had time to read this one at least. When I came on earlier, I thought that this was something that had just happened recently. After I talked to Billie I watched the interview, so I can see where the confusion is coming from. I had no idea that Billie had talked about this to MSM yet.

I hope LE has something with this, and I am not going to elaborate much more on what Billie said. I do not know if KTAB cut most of the interview themselves or if LE asked for it to be censored.

What I will say is that LE informed Billie about the threat. She did not know about it until about 2 weeks ago. It was reported by someone else over a year ago, and I have no idea why Billie was not made aware of it at the time it happened (either by LE or the person who originally reported the threat).

The person who made the threat is not one of Billie's friends (or connected to SA). I can't say anything more about him. LE has been looking for him even before they told Billie.
 
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=6071404&postcount=264



So...........he's not a friend of Billie's but it's someone known to the family and I am going out on a limb here, but if he threatened Billie AND Hailey, who could he be?

Also, very intersting is that when this first was blurted out, everyone was skeptical and saying she was using this as a means to deflect suspision from SA, and her friend on WS said that wasn't true. Then we read in the article "I am not doing this to deflect suspicion from SA".........also, WTH could a 12 yr old child to that would make this POI of Billie's think he had been wronged.  ::pullinghairout:: ::pullinghairout::

Good morning monkeys & guests!

maybe i am wrong but i am very suspicious of billie being so interested in crime cases. i would like to know how many months before Hailey dissapearence she started being interested in crime cases

i felt like she said that she desrched for crime cases to give a backip of her " serches" in internet. her answers in NG are answers that nancy always expect to hear from a mother of a missing child...again i hope i am wrong ....

I didn't get home til late last night so no time to search for the couch in the truck at gmom's house - I literally fell asleep in my coat & shoes on our recliner! LONG day but my 8 y/o took 2nd in SJ States! Yeah baby! (edit-fix typo-MB)

So, I'm searching today & came across something interesting. No it's probably just a coincidence, but it did give me reason to pause, so I screen captured pics & saved the link. (Edit to add per Titch:  Video aired January 8th.  MB) Check out this video:
http://www.kwes.com/global/category.asp?c=163304&clipId=&topVideoCatNo=121765&topVideoCatNoB=83259&topVideoCatNoC=182033&topVideoCatNoD=169582&topVideoCatNoE=169586&autoStart=true&topVideoCatNo=default&clipId=5452647&flvUri=&partnerclipid=

Then view... Look at 00:10, 00:58, 02:05... Here's the pics:

(http://i563.photobucket.com/albums/ss80/_Titch_/Hailey%20Dunn/BDGauges2.jpg)

(http://i563.photobucket.com/albums/ss80/_Titch_/Hailey%20Dunn/BDGauges3.jpg)

(http://i563.photobucket.com/albums/ss80/_Titch_/Hailey%20Dunn/BDGauges4.jpg)

Now, I'm certainly not suggesting they are Hailey's "earrings", but they darn sure look similar. I also notice Billie appears to have a nose piercing. Does anyone know if the police submitted Hailey's "red hoop earrings" (gauges) into evidence?

Klaas, I know you like closeups, so here ya go:

(http://i563.photobucket.com/albums/ss80/_Titch_/Hailey%20Dunn/BDEars2Closeup.jpg)

(http://i563.photobucket.com/albums/ss80/_Titch_/Hailey%20Dunn/BDEars4Closeup.jpg)

PS: I meant to say couch in the truck, not the other way around lol.

Also, that video link I supplied aired January 8th.

Fixed typo & added video aired to post.  MB

Hi Cecilita.  It's my opinion Billie Dunn may have had poor parenting skills, but I don't think she  directly had a hand in Hailey's disappearance.  Sometimes I wonder what LE would think if there was a crime among my family or friends and they looked at my computer, after all the sites I've been to and the research I've done in regard to crime?   ::MonkeyEek:: 

Yes, and after five weeks of not being able to go on TV and plead for the return of Hailey, now all of the sudden this POI the LE never told her about is now important enough to go on TV for her to finally say something about a "timeline" and this POI she only heard about 2 weeks ago. Anything to get her snookums out from under the LE spotlight! Your will spare no personal discomfort for him.

 What about Hailey, Billie. Remember, your daughter? What about her? Where were the news conferences about her for the past five weeks? Nancy Grace was you "official" choice of media for the past five weeks. By the way, how's your tooth? It must be killing you by now. And has Shawn moved his sofa back into your house yet?

Interesting comment found at the bottom of the page...comments section at the following link:
http://www.newswest9.com/Global/story.asp?S=13804937

Daniel is the person making the comment. I don't believe any of us even thought of a body being hidden in a tank battery. OMG, how big are they?

Snipped:
Daniel
Im from the area and I am from an oil field family. Has anybody searched any oil field area or well? Have they checked into tank batteries? A body could be hidden in a tank battery easy and they would not find it for years. Has any body dragged the lakes? Why have they not checked the body of water? Has anybody ever heard of John Wayne Gacey? Gacey hid 27 bodies under his own house. Have they checked there? Check or search the tank batteries (crude oil tanks) and drag the lakes.... I want to remain positive but you have to search all areas before you can move on to others. I do not believe she is just laying around out in the open anywhere.

I agree with you, and can you just imagine what LE would be thinking looking at our computers and all the terrible cases we all look at? Would not be good.

Muffy, Thank you so much!

As long as I am feeling snarky this morning, I may as well go ahead and say that the dark circles under her eyes look like makeup to me, especially so on the NG show. Nancy's guest are usually made up very well, think of the "makeover of Krystal and Marie from the Nancy Grace Show. I notice that her eye bags look very dark on Nancy's show, but much less so in the local pictures from the local tv. Even in these pics she looks like some "makeup" has been applied under her eyes, and these are even taken in outside light. JMO

Agree! OMG, the Caylee Anthony research alone yielded many "questionable" searches to say the least! LOL!

What I do find interesting is the fact that those same "true crime printouts" were during the past 6 months when everything "was awesome" between Billie & Shawn. Something else I find interesting is that there weren't any other printouts dated "before" Shawn came into the picture...at least none were found or released as of yet...

What do we know about the neighbor & the guy that was living with him at the time of Hailey's disappearance? Anything?

http://www.reporternews.com/news/2011/jan/19/official-rumor-untrue-missing-colorado-city-teen-h/

Snipped:
Travis Walston, who owns a house two doors down from the Dunn home, reported seeing the teenager Christmas Eve.

He said that Dennis Pharris, who was living in Walston's house, reported seeing Hailey in her backyard talking on a cell phone at noon Dec. 27.

"I have told the cops that his story is not reliable," said Walston, who added that he had kicked Pharris out of the house. It is unknown whether Pharris is a person of interest.

i agree with our searches i believe we will be in deep troible, but not for our investigations ...we will be in dedp tronle because we wil be more aware that cucus like shawn can hurt our kids ::MonkeyNoNo::

Just in case this comes up again, basically in so many words, LVN/LPN are about the same. Texas & California use the LVN title, while the rest of the US uses LPN. This is NOT the same title as an RN. Each state does have hands on contact hours & learning hours rules that need to be completed before renewal, each varying to whatever the state's med professon needs most. As an example, some states have more AIDS or HIV patient care, so it's safe to say that those states may require additional hands on hours every 2 years in order for the LVN/LPN nursing license renewal. This is due to the fact that science & technology changes on a daily basis, and hence medicines too.

Here's some info & the link:
http://www.differencebetween.net/miscellaneous/difference-between-lpn-and-lvn/

Difference Between LPN and LVN

LPN vs LVN

For anyone who has ever been in a hospital, either as a patient or a visitor, will know that there is a variety of clinicians who participate in the care of the patient. Two of these caregivers are the Licensed Practical Nurses (LPN) and Licensed Vocational Nurses (LVN). This article discusses the similarities and differences between these two fields in the nursing profession.

Definition

LPN are nurses who have passed the educational requirements to obtain their license; with the next step in their profession being a Registered Nurse (RN). LPN are generally found working under a doctor’s, or RN’s supervision in a variety of hospitals or clinics, and are currently found providing home health care, and practicing in long-term nursing care facilities.

LVN are also nurses who have passed the individual state’s educational requirements to gain a license, and also have their next professional step as that of an RN. LVN perform their nursing duties in various hospitals, long-term nursing facilities, convalescent homes, physician’s offices, and surgical centers. They perform many similar duties to the RN.

History

The first LPN/LVN nursing school was established at the Young Women’s Christian Association in 1892, in New York City. Initial training lasted three months at the Ballard School in 1893, where these future nurses learned homemaking and caring for patients as the required components of their training; whereas, other states had no licenses until 1955. Requirements varied from certifications in a nine month program to certifications lasting three years for specialties such as surgery, pediatrics or anesthesia.

Nursing programs today that offer LPN/LVN training have a moderately intensive list of topics that are required for licensing, such as communications, critical thinking, dosage calculations, drug reference and interactions, ethics, and other specialties.

Education

In Texas, the educational requirements for the title of LVN require students to complete 20 contact hours every two years, and a targeted (once-off) two hours of contact in Continuing Education for LVN who are working in Emergency Rooms and Forensic Evidence Collection. California requires 30 contact hours of Continuing Education, every two years, for license renewal.

The remaining 48 states have varying requirements for contact hours and continuing education hours, and the title earned in these states is LPN. Some states, such as New York, require the completion of three contact hours for infection control every four years; and others, such as Florida, require additional study in Prevention of Medical Errors, HIV/AIDS and Domestic Violence, to retain the LPN title.

Summary:

1 Basically, the educational requirements of both LPN and LVN are very similar, and their duties are consistent within the two professions.

2 The only real differences originate with the states and the titles in the licensing of the two occupations. In Texas and California, the educational requirements are the same, but the title is LVN; whereas, all other states with the same educational obligations, bestow the title of LPN.

3 Both occupations require a minimum of a high school graduation certificate, or GED, prior to entering Nursing School, along with a clean criminal record and graduation from an approved accredited practical nursing program.

I tried to find out what the word "cucus" means. I haven't found it yet, but think I have an idea. I like the word. and intend to use it.  ::MonkeyHaHa::

One more side note to go with my last post. This is coming directly from me but anybody that's an LPN or LVN already knows this:

Alot of states are now hiring MA instead of LVN/LPN bc they do alot of the same things and are paid less...depending on where they are employed of course. It used to be that the medical assistant was simply a greeter or cleanup person, somebody that helped with the paperwork, keeping the office in order, etc. Now there are several programs that teach the MA how to take blood and administer intravenous fluids. It didn't use to be that way. An MA could be compared to a CNA with the MA having more education. The LVN/LPN has way more education than the MA or CNA, but bc of what's now being taught in some states, alot of cardiac & trauma units seek to hire an MA over an LPN/LVN bc they can pay them less, have them do their externship through them with a signed contract to stay on, then they pay for them to complete their RN degree while bipassing the Associates Degree needed for an LVN/LPN. The whole time an MA is working under the tutelage of a surgeon or doctor, they can apply those hours needed to accomplish the RN, along with the extra education,, again which the hospital of employment would reimburse for.

Hope I didn't confuse anybody. Nicubird, if you're there (or anyone else that may know), please correct me if I'm wrong. I might be off a little bit, but I think I'm close...at least as far as I can see it.

You're so welcome.  I appreciate all the work you and others do here, and I've found often times research, photos and some posts become important references for the future in the cases.  If I see it and have time, I try to fix things that may impact later.  I'm not so worried about general spelling and punctuation  ::MonkeyTongue::  it's getting dates, places and names correct that I'm after and of course trying to be sure we have links back.  Again, thank you and all others that are providing information, images and the research.   ::MonkeyKiss::

Does anyone have a link for the Billie "press conference" or will this be a private affair?

I think that just might be "cuckoos" (plural of cuckoo), which is slang for being crazy or a nut.  (No offense to SM's own Nut)  ::MonkeyWink::
http://onlineslangdictionary.com/definition+of/cuckoo
Definition of cuckoo
cuckoo
adjective
    * crazy.
          He's cuckoo.
      by WalterGR, Sacramento, CA, USA, Sep 02 2009  (Edit definition)
noun
    * a crazy person.
          "I said, 'Jim, why don't you find out about your father's relatives?'" Jenny Fallon recalls. "I think there were some cuckoos back there."
Edit to condense.  MB

Thanks MUFFY. Cuckoo works for me. Close to what I though it meant, but you're is more of a PG rating than mine. (http://i844.photobucket.com/albums/ab6/fannymae66/teehee-1.gif)

http://www.ktxs.com/news/26664667/detail.html

Unnamed Person Could Have Information On Missing TeenBy Cassandra Garcia, KTXS News


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My perdiction is the snow storm will knock her off of breaking news.  ::MonkeyHaHa::

She should have planned this presser for Thursday.

The storm warning is for thirty states, she is not bigger than the storm. http://www.weather.com/

O.T.

Certain cities in Texas is under a severe weather alert.  Mom should reschecule her presser for a dry day.

http://www.weather.com/outlook/weather-news/news/articles/dangerous-destructive-winter-storm-midwest_2011-01-30?page=4

We are smack in the middle of one of the 30 states. I don't think this presser is going to be much of anything anyway. Why is the LE not releasing the information about the new POI? And why wait five weeks to give an accurate timeline. May she and Shawn have had enough text messages and talks every two days to figure out on that floats.  Pfft!

Found another tidbit of information that I think we may have overlooked before. Not sure if it's significant, probably isn't, but it would certainly help with a timeline once records are released:

http://www.reporternews.com/news/2011/jan/12/raw-video-mother-billie-jean-dunn-speaks-out-about/

You can look at the whole thing, but if you start at 4:50, it informs this:

START VIDEO
REPORTER: Can you, can you talk to me about you know you know they allude to the fact that there was alot of cell phone use...

BILLIE: Yeah...

REPORTER: and they confiscated cell phones...

BILLIE: Yeah they took...

REPORTER: and obviously they pinged on the towers that were...

BILLIE: Which I'm not real sure about...ummm...Monday morning on the 27th, before I left to work, I was using the phone here in the house, but I left the cell phone here. Shawn had his cell phone with him. That's all I know is that my cell phone should have been here all day long.

REPORTER: Ok.

BILLIE: Was Hailey using your cell phone?

REPORTER: Yeah...ummm...well, yeah that's why I left it here for the kids to use it. A neighbor who's not there now but he did tell investigators he saw Hailey walking around in my backyard on the phone at around lunchtime I mean...

BILLIE: Ok.
END VIDEO

(Respectfully bolded by me)
So, Billie was on the phone before she left to go to work. Could she have been off on the time she left for work in the morning? I mean, it was stated that she left around 6:30, then it came to light she left around 6:20. We know Shawn's cell started pinging at that CCity tower about 6:35-6:56. My question is this: Who was Billie talking to before she left for work bc if it was Shawn it would have been noted in the affidavit. Since the time of 6:35 was noted for the begining ping in CCity off of Shawn's cell, what about if that initial ping was due to a call connecting Billie's cell? If that's the case, then Billie's time could be off. Who was she on the cell phone with that early in the morning and why haven;t investigators included her ping information in the affidavits/warrants like they did with Shawn's info? Each is very easily obtainable.

Yea, much like the LD test, its the failure of LE & she doesnt trust them since she failed.    Come on now, if you know someone threatened you and your daughter you would have told police that yourself ON DAY ONE!   And how convenient a person that threatened just her & Hailey, not David or Shawn or even Clint....no no just her and Hailey.?"    I really am annoyed that Mark Klass filled this girl's head with more ways to deflect rather than encouraged her to get honest.   Ya know, usually when a known liar makes a statement that it has nothing to do with something targeted, that is exactly what it is meant to deflect.

One advantage & positive thing could come out of this, the more she talks the closer we may come to finding answers & I may gut tells me it wont have anything to do with another POI.

Officials Awaiting Lab Results on Items Found in Hailey Dunn Search 1/30/11

Big Spring, Texas - Items recently found in the search for missing Colorado City teenager, Hailey Dunn, is being tested to confirm whether they are connected to this case.

MORE.....

http://www.cbs7kosa.com/news/details.asp?ID=23622

Thank you Northern Rose.

Are we safe to ponder that is the socks?

Socks and hair is what was found last week.

<snipped>

Socks and hair were discovered during a search in Big Spring Friday morning.

http://bigcountryhomepage.com/fulltext/?nxd_id=336196

http://bigcountryhomepage.com/fulltext/?nxd_id=336886

At a news conference Monday afternoon, the mother of missing 13-year-old Hailey Dunn presented her own timeline regarding her daughter's disappearance.

Billie Dunn handed out a timeline to reporters saying she had information that investigators had not previously revealed. Dunn claims someone saw her daughter the evening of her reported disappearance on Monday, December 27.

MORE....

http://bigcountryhomepage.com/fulltext/?nxd_id=336886

<snipped>

After saying that they hadn't spoke for some time, Billie Dunn now says she's in regular contact with Adkins. She described their current relationship as "friendly."

http://bigcountryhomepage.com/fulltext/?nxd_id=336886

Billie Dunn To Hailey: "Please Come Home"Mother Of Missing Girl Speaks To Media

COLORADO CITY, Texas -- The mother of missing Colorado City teen Hailey Dunn addressed the media today to "set the record straight."

Billie Dunn read a 15-minute long prepared statement to the media.

MORE...


http://www.ktxs.com/big_country_news/26679291/detail.html

Sooo many contradictions...Jeesh!

Now check this out. This is dated January 12th. Starting at 6:01...

http://www.reporternews.com/news/2011/jan/12/raw-video-mother-billie-jean-dunn-speaks-out-about/

BEGIN VIDEO
REPORTER: And then...uh...you know he he also told them that he thought she was sexually active, that...

BILLIE: And I don't know why...I don't believe

REPORTER: she did drugs. How does that make you feel?

BILLIE: That makes me upset alot. I don't, I mean I never had suspicions of that. I don't know why that was said, he never said that to me...but I really can't speak for him. I haven't really talked to him.

REPORTER: You haven't? When was the last time you talked to him?

BILLIE: Probably two days ago. He'll just send a text message now and then - I love ya'll and I miss ya'll. We don't really talk.
REPORTER: Ok.
END VIDEO



Now check this out, which is only 15 dayss later. This interview was on January 27th.

http://www.cbs7kosa.com/news/details.asp?ID=23579

QUOTE
Beau Berman: Shawn was named a suspect a couple weeks ago. Have you talked to him recently?

Billie Jean Dunn: "Umm, we still talk some over the phone."
END QUOTE



In case Billie doesn't know the meaning of still, let me provide the definition. Her use of the word still is being used as an adverb, in conjunction with the work talk...which would imply that they are still talking. In order to still be talking, one would have to know that it's been a continuance of communication - text or verbal is beside the point.

Link from Merriam-Webster:

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/still

3stilladv
Definition of STILL
1: without motion <sit still>
2archaic a : always, continually b : in a progressive manner : increasingly
3—used as a function word to indicate the continuance of an action or condition <still lives there> <drink it while it's still hot>
4: in spite of that : nevertheless <those who take the greatest care still make mistakes>
5a : even 2c <a still more difficult problem> <heavier still> b : yet 1a <has still to be recognized>

So that answers my last post. They weren't in contact but they now are.

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Did her "news conference" happen on her sofa? Has she had her makeover yet? Did she name the new POI? Is anyone surprised she is upset with the police as she doesn't trust them? They made her fail her LDT!  :smt089  The LE tells her everything? Was Studmuffin sitting on the sidelines with her to give her some moral support? What the nerve! The LE said she had a New Years Party! For goodness sakes, only Shawn drank a beer! Only she has a true time line. Everyone else is lying. She is the only one who tells the truth! Did she say how heartbroken she is about Hailey yet or speak to her as if she was listening? Did she tell Hailey to bring her a new pack of ciggies before she calls 911?  I am asking these questions because evidently no one would carry this fiasco live.  ::MonkeyMad::

I'm veeery skeptical of Billie, but I'm looking at her timeline right now and it absolutely works. I could certainly fit. I appears as though she could be casting suspicion on Hailey's friend and possibly on the teenage boy seen with them, if in fact she was seen around 8:30pm...especially since the girl/girl's mother stated Hailey never showed up and/or they didn;t even know about her sleeping over. The drive back from work to stop at his gmom's house certainly makes sense, bc Shawn's phone would ping on his way through driving to Big Spring. He would have come within the vicinity of the cell tower in CCity if driving from his gmom's house to his mom's house in Big Spring.

Still, though...they had a month to perfect this timeline...just sayin'. But it could be true.

Has this Elizabeth girl been questioned? Who was the teenage boy seen with them? Is this credible? Better yet, could this be credible?

Last but not least, since she read her 15 minute statement, were the reporters allowed to ask her any questions?   ::piggy::

OT

FannyMae & Monkey's,

 ::snowmanlaugh:: The USA will soon look-like the "Ice-Palace" at Vinykino, Dr. Zhivago.


Peter H's opinion (Sunday's radio show) is She is covering up for SA, because SA has something on her, paraphasing.

SA must be calling the shots. She seems like she is trying to take the heat off of him. 

Is LE waiting for DNA results?  I am just speculating.   ::MonkeyRoll::

It could be a fiasco, especially since they've had a month to put together their timeline. Maybe she's working overtime to clear her boyfriend of any suspicion. Too bad she didn't work as hard in being a good mother. Sorry, just calling it as I see it. But Fanny, if there's a piece of truth in there, it's gotta be worth researching. I just took screen captures of her timeline. Getting ready to load it onto photobucket.

OMG, didn't even think of that...that he could have something on her.

Of course he does, if nothing else her illegal drug use, as evidenced by the affidavit at the very least.

omg i agree. gonna post billie's timeline... one sec...

 I stated the same thing several nights ago you may have missed,  That Shawn had  probably told her something or asked her to do something or involved her in some way so she was afraid for herself.  She had that fear on her face not for Hailey, but for herself.

No MUFFY, I haven't gone back to find the link since it my own post. Do I have to?

"She also is frustrated with police. She feels they are disregarding witnesses and is confused why they haven't named other suspects besides her former live-in boyfriend, Shawn Adkins. She took one question from KTXS News, which was what was the status of her relationship with Shawn Adkins. She said they are "now friendly."

Since both of them failed a LD test after avoiding one or more to begin with this woman has been on a tear against LE.  For me, this sums it up where Billie stands & it is NOT about finding her daughter.

I've always thought this is a *possible* reason she's obviously protecting Shawn.  She does still have another kid, after all, and I'm sure that she has to be sweating bullets about whether or not she'll be able to keep David with all the outting of her Extra-Curricular Activities.  Or at least GetInTrouble, which might (to her) be worse than losing a child.  I don't know her, so I couldn't tell ya.  But I do see guarding, serious guarding, and I sure would like to know exactly WHY that guarding is going on.

OMG, I'm so stupid Fanny! You're right. I def remember reading that. I remember thinking of both scenarios...that maybe she had something on him and maybe she's the manipulator...throwing everyone off. Omg. It's just that they don't seem that smart. God help me bc I swear I'm not putting them down, it's simply an observation.

http://bigcountryhomepage.com/images/Multi_Media/bigcountryhomepage/nxd_media/dox/pdf/2011_01/Billie%20Dunn%20timeline.PDF

Billie's own timeline:

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(http://i563.photobucket.com/albums/ss80/_Titch_/Hailey%20Dunn/BillieTimelinePg2.jpg)

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http://bigcountryhomepage.com/fulltext/?nxd_id=336886

Important snippet:

Billie Dunn was considered a "person of interest" in the investigation, but has been ruled out, said Pete Kampfer, spokesperson for the investigation.

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I give up!

A few things about her timeline, interesting that Hailey chose to be with her father for Christmas day into the next, could be as simple as an alternating shared holiday schedule or Hailey preferred being with her father having mom & psycho b/f celebrate Christmas the day after.

Two, Billie now claims that she saw Hailey sleeping in her room for certain - previously she talked about it being dark in the room.   Interesting considering there were reports that Hailey was sleeping on the couch instead of her room for a period of time but this night, she was in her bedroom.

The sighting that Hailey was seen, its not confirmed & could be a mix up of days...not solid as far as Im concerned.

Why is this the first we are hearing that David returned on the 27th "with a friend?"

I dont believe for one second that they were not buying illegal drugs, I think she is lying thru her teeth.

Let me tell you if I were Mary Beth's mother I would be not only at the police station with my daughter as to her whereabouts but I'd be rather busy ripping every hair on Billie's head out for implicating my daughter.   Let me tell you Billie made a huge mistake if she cannot back up those facts in her timeline as being factual.

So Shawn did leave Billie's home at 6:30 with her, why later than the morning before & why together unlike the morning before?

Also interesting, Billie doesnt state that she contacted Shawn once David told her Hailey never went to Mary Beth's from the evening before.

I am sick of this chick being more concerned about protecting Shawn & criticizing LE.   In my mind, she is in NO position WHATSOEVER to criticize ANYONE for how they are handling concern over her daughter's well-being or whereabouts.   Her "timeline" is worthless to me.

If one were to take Billie's press conference serious, one would have to believe that Mary Beth and/or her mother was a liar...especially considering Mary Beth said she never made it over there and/or hadn't seen her.

Dear Mr. Police Officer, please could you release all cell phone records and pings. Thanks and have a nice day.

Edit to correct name, per titch.  MB

Wait, color me confused is it Elizabeth or Mary Beth....Im so spitting livid right now I cant even think straight.   Is there video of this presser Billie gave in front of her home?   By the picture am I correct that she was alone?   Dont you find it interesting if that were the case that NO ONE was there to back her up or offer moral support?   Why is this woman so heckbent on going against LE's investigation?

You are correct.  She meant Mary Beth.  MB

She makes me sooo frustrated that I feel like wingin' one of 6 inch heels & nailing her in the center of her forehead. I just can't take it anymore. That's ridiculously graphic but I simply don't get it. She's had all the time in the world to construct this timeline & Nancy Grace gave her a freakin' platform to air it on...yet she chose to wait until now. Why? Could it be bc some evidence found on a search is being tested? Could it be bc internet sleughers all over the place are finding out info faster than she can think? Is this her way of manipulating the public so that she can play on their heartstrings until somebody believes in her & helps to make her timeline work? Maybe there is something in those true crime printouts that police confiscated.

Worthy of note,  LE is allowed to "color" the truth during an investigation...this is either totally factual or they decided to take Billie off the hook hoping she will be more forthcoming.   If it is factual, there is nothing that prevents them from changing that status at any given time as they receive evidence.

OMG who am I thinking of? I'm so sorry!

Mary Beth Garcia, the friend. Mary Beth's mom is Cecilia.

PLEASE could somebody fix that? I had it confused with another case that I previously followed, I'm sure of it. Thanks Cappy!
Done.  MB

I need to see video of this farce of a pressure Billie gave today, too little too late.   I want to see it in full context including her mannerisms & facial expressions.  As reported thus far, I'm already calling it

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No prob Titch, happens to us all....especially when one's "guinea" is way up  ::MonkeyWink::

I thought that once they officially "ruled" out a poi, that it could be held against them if they decided to rule that poi back in... I mean use against them in a court of law? I seriously thought that. I know they can say whatever they want during an investigation, especially during investigative questioning, but to say that somebody's been cleared or ruled out was different. Isn't that why they state that anybody can be a poi until they can "rule them out"? Forgive me, I seriously thought this. I'll ask my cousin tonight at wrestling practice...unless you're positively certain...

 ::MonkeyAngel::

Seems her timeline is pretty much the same one we have figured out for ourselves, except Billie embellishes it and dresses it up a bit. Only bit I see is new is David had a friend spend the night on the 27th.

Who is this new POI we were going to hear about from Billie?

I was wrong about Billie sitting on her sofa. She was standing outside of her house with the peeling paint. I guess she felt the background there would look nicer. Snark again.

And yep, it looked like Billie had the floor with her prepared statement and "new, convincing time line."  No reporters asking any hard questions.

All in all, just a big yawn. (http://i844.photobucket.com/albums/ab6/fannymae66/2226.gif)

Sorry again. I'm so drained and still had the nerve to be on here all day long today! OMG!

My photobucket account is "gone".  Here is that image in my other account:   ::MonkeyCool::

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http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5211/5405858528_da7b1099b8_o.gif

IT WAS DARK

NANCY GRACE
Aired January 12, 2011 - 20:00:00   ET

<snipped>

BILLIE DUNN: I saw her Sunday night.

GRACE: What time, 10:00 PM?

BILLIE DUNN: Probably around 10:00.

GRACE: Now, was that when you looked in her room and it is was dark and you thought she was lying in her bed?

BILLIE DUNN: I did see her in her room, but I saw her watching TV.

Monday morning, I looked in her room and it was dark and it looked look she was laying in bed. But I didn`t go touch her, make sure that was her. I just peeked in to make sure she was in bed to ease my mind and...

<snipped>

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1101/12/ng.01.html

Not if the evidence is solid that directly leads to that previous POI

::MonkeyDevil::

I need a drink. Dead serious. I really can't stand this waste of oxygen. Serious as all getout.

Thank you so much!

Dont feel bad, Ive been teetering on taking a quick trip to deliver lunch....a knuckle sandwich.

Thanks Klaas.

I noticed that many of your posted images have gone poof off the forum.  Will your "gone" photobucket be "gone" forever?

Janet

Errr, when did he say that?  Wait a while, things could change........First things first though. Where're we gonna eat and who's buying.(http://i844.photobucket.com/albums/ab6/fannymae66/buffet.gif)

Klaas, Muffy, Nut - Please could somebody fix my original post & the subsequent one's quoting that original post? I mean to say Mary Beth, not Elizabeth.

Done.  MB

My mind automatically went to Elizabeth Olten when I saw Billie Dunn referencing Hailey's friend...sorry for your troubles...



Side note: Klaas, Please tell us your photobucket a/c wasn't deleted bc of this case. If so, did you happen to save the videos to your computer? Kinda makes one wonder...just sayin'. Since Corey & those involved with Shawn have come to his defense, I wonder if some of them complained. Problem is that once it's posted on a public online a/c, isn't it fair game? I did my share of helping the law. Hopefully some of the thousands of people that frequent this site, as well as other sites, forwarded info the authorities, also. If that's the case, then the videos & pics served their purpose bc that info is now in the hands of le.

Jokes on them.

LOL Fanny you're a riot!

Well, the lunch I was talking about has nothing to do with cuisine BUT that being said I wouldnt mind going to Carrabba's Italian Grill or better yet a trip back to Jersey to Casa Dante's....o madonna mia that's a some mangia!

I never considered Billie Dunn a person of interest in the disappearance of her daughter but ... I believe out of a warped sense of "love" she is betraying her precious daughter by not holding Shawn Adkin accountable for the revealed deception and lies regarding so many aspects encompassing the morning of December 27th.

Janet

My photobucket is working, but I have seen several downloads in my albums just disappear and just have empty frames. I haven't deleted them. And no! They were nothing obscene. (http://i844.photobucket.com/albums/ab6/fannymae66/bf-sunglasswinksmiley1.gif)

I feel so ignorant. I coulda made it easier & provided this: 

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Mine are all there but I saved them all on my harddrive anyway.

I don't know why it was canceled but it was due to complaints.  Could be any number of cases or enemys.  EVERYTHING that was in my photobucket is also on my hard drive.  Nothing is lost.  

He was Fired

NANCY GRACE
Aired January 4, 2011 - 20:00:00   ET

<snipped>

BILLIE DUNN: He went in Monday morning, but there was an argument. He was fired or there was just a big blow-up there. He walked out. He left his job by 6:30 in the morning and went to Big Spring (ph) to his mom`s house.

<snipped>

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1101/04/ng.01.html

Good & Thank You!

Actually I was being sarcastic about Captain Kampfer and his preoccupation with his Mexican dinner the last "real" presser he and Trooper Snarky (snort) held.  Story could change too at any minute whether he did or did not rule out Billie as a POI. I have my doubts she is not a POI, no matter what she or Kampfer says. He doesn't have to tell her the truth about that anyway and I doubt he or any other LE has said that. JMO

have to run but will bbl. son need to get to dicks.

omg he's over my shoulder yelling at me. guess i shoulda clarified DICK'S SPORTING GOODS! jeesh.

That's good.

There was a time about three years ago that my hard drive crashed.  I thought I had lost everything I had accumulated in regards to the Natalee Holloway case.  I was an emotional mess.

Anyways ... unknown to me ... youngest son who does all my computer updates ... had been backing up my hard drive on a regular basis.  The last time he had done this process had been one week previous to the crash when his wife and I were in the kitchen have a game of Scrabble.  Instantly ... this guy became my favorite child.  I told him not to tell his siblings.  Instantly ... I realized God purpose for giving him to me when his siblings were 14 and 27 respectively.

Janet

self edit - my last post

14 and 27 respectively s/b 14 and 17 respectively

Billie said that Hailey was sleeping and Shawn says that her TV was on (smiley face: scratching my head!!!)

Actually, this is dinner tonight. (http://i844.photobucket.com/albums/ab6/fannymae66/17-1.gif)

Actually we're having homemade vegetable beef soup which I am now going to eat because I feel the big red ink pen filling up! (http://i844.photobucket.com/albums/ab6/fannymae66/paranoid.gif)

Why did her mind need easing?

Did I just miss it in Billie's "timeline", but there's no mention of SA beyond 6:30 on the last day, she makes no attempt at explanation.  Does she think everyone will forget about him through her omission?

UPDATE: Someone Saw Hailey the Night She Disappeared, Mom Says

A woman said she spotted Hailey Dunn the night she disappeared, walking with a friend and a teenage boy, Dunn's mother said today in a news conference.

Billie Dunn handed out a timeline (attached below) to reporters, saying she had information that investigators had not previously revealed.  According to that timeline, Hailey was seen at 8:30 p.m. on Dec. 27 with the friend whose house she said she was going to spend the night at.  The witness didn't recognize the teenage boy who was with them.


MORE...

http://bigcountryhomepage.com/fulltext/?nxd_id=336886

Billie's Timeline

http://bigcountryhomepage.com/images/Multi_Media/bigcountryhomepage/nxd_media/dox/pdf/2011_01/Billie%20Dunn%20timeline.PDF

Mother of missing Colorado City teen Hailey Dunn provides copy of timeline

<snipped>

Billie Jean Dunn said she felt compelled to make the statement to defend herself from what she termed ridiculous and slanderous accusations that have arisen because her words had been misrepresented in the media. Interviews she has conducted in the past have been edited, she said, and by not having them presented in her entirety, some of the things she has said have been taken out of context.

http://www.reporternews.com/news/2011/jan/31/mother-missing-colorado-city-teen-provides-copy-ti/

(http://www.ktxs.com/2011/0131/26679298_640X480.jpg)

http://www.ktxs.com/news/26679291/detail.html

Hailey Dunn Update: Mother of Missing Texas 13-Year-Old Urges Daughter to "Come Home"

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-20030123-504083.html?tag=contentMain;contentBody

As far as I am concerning all "sightings" of Hailey following her brother and mother observing her on the evening of December 26th ... are not credible ... did not happen.

My theory implies that Hailey was deceased prior to the rising of the sun on December 27th.

Janet

++++++

Updated Theory in a Nutshell

December 26, 2010 - PM
- David sees Hailey on xbox.
- Billie sees Hailey watching TV in bed.

December 26, 2010 - December 27, 2010
- Billie is sleeping/passed out.
- Shawn sexually assaults Hailey in her bed during night.
- Shawn kills to assure silence.
- Shawn covers Hailey with blanket and leaves room.

December 27, 2010 - AM
- Shawn leaves for work.
- Billie observes what appears to be sleeping form in Hailey's bed.
- Billie leaves for work.
- Shawn leaves his workplace a short time after arriving.
- Shawn picks up uncle/cousin (snyder)
- Shawn returns home following Billie's departure.
- Shawn retrieves Hailey's body leaving her jacket behind.
- Shawn and cousin/uncle disposed of Hailey's body between home and Big Spring.
- Shawn arrives at his mother in Big Springs.

December 27, 2010 - PM
- Shawn sends text to Mary Beth implicating Hailey as the author.
- Shawn returns home and locks door behind him.
- David returns home a short time later.
- Shawn ignores five minute pounding on door.
- David enters home through window.
- David observes a petrified Shawn in hallway.
- Shawn picks Billie up from work.
- Shawn states that Hailey is spending night at Mary Beth

The sighting of Hailey with MB and unidentified boy is NOT new. It was reported early on and was dismissed. Why is she bringing it back up again ?

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 I made "Mini Meatball Soup" Recipe by Rachael Ray FoodTV.com (Thirty-minute meals)
http://www.foodnetwork.com/recipes/rachael-ray/mini-meatball-soup-recipe/index.html
 ::MonkeyBike:: I am pedaling before I get growled at:)

I caught that too....that is a qualifier if ever I saw one.    She's trying way too hard & she's not doing herself any favors...this presser was more about her & Shawn being victims...dam I want to see the video!

We know the obvious answer...her boo is suspect number 1 & she is complicit in the aftermath.

I read the whole article. Where was it that Billie urges her daughter to come home? It wasn't anywhere in the article I read.

Spin, spin, spin. Divert attention away from Studmuffin.   ::MonkeyNoNo::

Was there a vid of this or was it live? I missed it if it was only live as I was at the Federal Courthouse for another ruling <in JSM's thread>, but I would have loved to see this. I do know her buddy at WS typed it up for her according to her own stmt, and I wonder how much of it was to address what she is reading on the blogs/forums etc.

I believe Billie's motives have always been to get back with her hunka hunka burning love, (and by the way, bring the drugs) than she ever has to see Hailey come home. It was clear the first time I officially saw and heard her on Nancy Grace.

http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=10150154625731393&subj=514266392&oid=165260016852020

Here's the raw video of presser on youtube.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rWWUhh0ZZaM

Thanks so much ::HelloKitty::

Hi Wise Monks,

Does anyone know if Shawn usually took BJD to work?  She got a ride with a co-worker on the 27th, but he took her on the 28th.  Of course he was unemployed on the 28th, but did BJD know that at the time or did she find out later?

Also, why is there no indication of SA's activities on BJD's timeline after he dropped her off at 7:00?  Those inconsistencies are a concern to me.  If she is so meticulous about his whereabouts on Monday, why does she completely omit him from most of the next day? ::MonkeyShocked::

Thank you for the raw video. I like to see these thing unedited. It has given me more unanswered  questions I want to mull over for a little bit before I make a comment.

BJD sorta answers my first question -- but now I have a bigger one.  She says she told David to text Hailey to come home and then called back immediately to say that Hailey wasn't there.  How did he know that?  If he had texted Hailed or even called her, there would have been no response.  But she says David knows that Hailey has not spent the night with the friend.  How does he know this unless he actually contacted that household.  But she doesn't say that he called, but that she told him to text.  If he had texted, how long would he have waited for a response?  He wouldn't have immediately called his mother or even the other parent's.  He would have given Hailey a few minutes to get back to him, wouldn't he?

Next observation, she says when she got home she "grabbed her cellphone."  I thought Hailey had her cellphone.  If BJD knew the cellphone was still at her house, why did she have David text Hailey?  Or when David texted Hailey, did he hear the cellphone go off and that is when he discovered that the cellphone was still at the house?

So far her attempts to make things clearer are making them even more confusing for me.

 ::bananadance:: Fannymae, That is a good one!  ::bananadance::

I had the same glaring questions

TYVM 4, much appreciated....watching now, will comment later Im sure.

Dunn Disappearance Suspect: Who is Shawn Adkins?

Reported by: Victor Sotelo and Austin Kellerman
Friday, January 14 2011


 ::monkeyscissors::

Sotelo was able to get his hands on Snyder High School yearbooks dating back to the time Adkins was a student.

Though Adkins was listed in the 2003 edition, his picture wasn't there. In a section of senior class accomplishments, no items were listed next to Adkins' name. In his junior yearbrook, Adkins is in a theatre arts group shot frowning on the top row.

 ::monkeyscissors::

http://bigcountryhomepage.com/fulltext/?nxd_id=331686


Monkey's,

SA does not have his face in the Yearbook, does anyone have an idea why? (according to article):)
  Is it because he is like the Lone Ranger? :batman:  SA can not be in public, without his mask?  :batman:

My first observation concerns her statements to begin with about Hailey. It all still sounded rather stilted and rehearsed. There was not the passion one would expect, and it seemed like it was written for her. In fact, the entire statement seemed written by someone else to be read by her. Her matter of fact reading of the timeline didn't sound like what a mother would feel or say about the last time she saw her daughter. It was matter of fact, like the last time she saw her lost dog or cat and even that would have sent most people into gales of tears. It was like I peeked in on my daughter and I thought I saw her there. Most would break down and say that was the last time I saw my baby.

There was a distinct emphasis on what she and others did during those three days, but scant information on what Shawn did. She wasn't with Shawn, but seemed to be positive on where he was and what he was doing. How did she know these things? Because Shawn told her. 'nuff said.

She has been very critical of the police the whole time of Hailey being missing, especially after the failed LDT. There were some mistakes made at first, no way around it. But her real criticism didn't start until the failed LDTs and Shawn moved out. I don't think she asked him to move out at all. I think when she questioned him, he told her he was out of there, and her panic set in that she was really losing him this time. I think she said she asked him to move to save face. His leaving her is a big part of her angst.

She says the police tell her everything. Anyone with a missing child usually say they are not really getting details of the investigation from LE but they know they are working on it. How does she know who and who not the police have investigated? They are not going to be reporting to her.

Now to the big thing. Somebody threatened to kill both her and Hailey years ago, and she never knew it until the police told her two weeks ago?  Or that the information just bubbled up out of her brain recently? And she knew this person several years ago?
Take your pick of the story, because this totally makes no sense.

I could go on and on, but I'll stop here. I guess it is clear to see I don't believe Billie, I don't trust Billie, and I don't like Billie. JMO

A possible answer - Senior pictures for most yearbooks that I know of in Texas are taken separately from the rest of the students' school pictures.  Seniors usually have to make an appointment with a/the photographer and usually there are several different poses taken including cap and gown.  Usually the student or his parents will commit to buy a package of photographs which can be very expensive depending on the number of pictures purchased. 

Some students, however, just opt out of the whole thing and when they do, there is no picture in the yearbook. 

Forgot my link.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rWWUhh0ZZaM