Scared Monkeys Discussion Forum

It's my hope with the opening of this fresh cage, Gabriel will be found before it's closed out.   ::MonkeyAngel::

Me too Muffy!  ::MonkeyAngel::

Does anyone knows if EJ is receiving any visitors lately? Is she aware of the efforts being made to find Gabriel? Is her grandfather still going to see her? The last I heard she would not see her brother. Is she aware of the prayers. Nearly 10,000 members on the BHGJ fB page. All the LE and PIs that are searching for him. What does she know? You think something inside her would melt. Her heart would break.

 I was hoping she would be back on her meds and seeing a therapist everyday or so. Hopefully getting her to come back to her senses. I don't understand why her attorney does not want her talk. He should tell her to talk and portray her as a confuse young woman under the influence of TS advice. Someone who was off her meds. Someone who needed Therapy.  But he tells her she will get 25 years no matter what she does. I don't know how the attorney can sleep at night knowing that a little baby is missing. I can't sleep at night without thinking and dreaming about Gabriel.

Amen to that Muffy!

Belmom......I don't think Elizabeth will have a change of heart. I think she is like Casey Anthony....she hates Logan more than she Loved Gabriel. It is so sad, and none of us can understand how thier minds work. I do know they are selfish human beings.

My prayer too Muffy.

I hope Gabriel will be found safe.  ::MonkeyAngel::

Information on TS-JS:

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=95089&page=7

Was Elizabeth Johnson's booking information by the Tempe Police Department every posted here or somewhere else?  (Like when Tammi was booked?) I know her Miami booking was published here. 

http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/local_news/Search_for_Baby_Gabriel_could_enter_second_phase.html
(Slide show available)

Web Posted: 02/17/2010 12:09 CST
Search for 'Baby Gabriel' could enter second phase


(http://media.mysanantonio.com/images/215*268/Gabriel_300.jpg)
Gabriel Scott Johnson

   By Valentino Lucio   - Express-News

While San Antonio police continued looking for a missing Arizona baby at an East Side landfill, officials said Tuesday the second phase of the search could begin later this week.

Along with the police, the FBI and the U.S. Marshal's Service will aid in the search for 9-month-old Gabriel Johnson, who last was seen Dec. 26 in San Antonio with his mother, Elizabeth Johnson, said police department spokesman Matthew Porter. During the second phase, authorities will begin “sifting through layers of garbage in search of possible evidence,” according to a department media advisory released last week.

Since several organizations and companies have donated personnel, equipment, funding and services, Porter said there wouldn't be any cost billed to taxpayers for either phase.

The baby's father, Logan McQueary, returned to Arizona after spending about a week in San Antonio searching for clues in his son's disappearance, said Jay J. Armes, the El Paso private investigator who took on the case earlier this month. McQueary could not be reached late Tuesday, but Armes said he has been speaking with the father daily. Armes said McQueary was “very optimistic” about his search in San Antonio and that he and McQueary are planning to return soon.

He also said he's been getting up to 70 “good leads” each day, some that have led the investigation into Mexico.

“We have a good feeling the boy's still alive,” Armes said.

Left on Tammi's Photos with no response. FB

Nicole Smith Blank
Please tell my angel I love her soooooo much! I need desperately to see her!!! Please let me know.
February 2 at 12:02am

I have to agree - I think that EJ wanted nothing more than to punish Logan for not doing exactly what she wanted. I think she resented that he was working and she was stuck home with the baby. She resented that she did not get her story book life she wanted from childhood. So she will never tell what happened - even if it will get her out of trouble. She has been in institutional settings most of her life and she is comfortable in the fact that Logan is miserable and stuck in limbo not knowing what happened.

Opinions and Facts

This article and link may have been previously posted. I am just using it as a reference for my writing below.

http://www.kpho.com/news/22509021/detail.html  01 09 2010


From the article:
Nevertheless, the request's denial came the day after Elizabeth sent a text message saying she would tell McQueary the location of "dead Gabriel's little blue body" once she was out of the country.

McQueary passed the information on to police, yet on Dec. 28, the Texas Department of Public Safety declined to issue an Amber Alert.

The same day she sent the text message, Johnson boarded a bus for Miami, without Gabriel.




I don't believe Elizabeth killed Gabriel.

I don't mean to gross any one out here. A body does not turn "blue" at death. The hands and feet will turn a bluish color after several hours but not the entire body, it actually becomes initially pale, waxy, colorless.

By the time the body does turn a greenish-bluish-purplish (or a mix there of) color it would have a horrific smell. The decomp odor is very recognizable. The smell will gag or make you vomit.

There have never been any reports of "this decomp smell" at the Hotels or in the car, car trunk, or any where Elizabeth and Gabriel were together.

Has anyone found any reference to a "decomp odor" ?  I have not found any.


Elizabeth did not write very specific details. Her details were minimal as if she didn't have any facts. She made very short brief statements. Her statements were "shocking" and meant to cause pain. If she had actually killed Gabriel she would not have made this statement knowing that she could be charged with murder. She is intelligent enough to know the consequences. It appears her intent was to make final statements to cause Logan immense pain and destroy his life. She could not control her impulse to inflict this final torture on Logan.

In order to charge and prosecute Elizabeth for murder some kind of additional evidence would help but since she made the statements it has been enough in previous cases to go to trial. A conviction would be left for a jury to decide. If she were charged for murder based on her statements alone, Elizabeth may actually present facts on the true location and persons involved in Gabriel's disappearance. Maybe even the threat that she would have this charge brought upon her may even work. I don't know. In time, her anger and hate should lessen and maybe she will be willing to talk. At this point in time she has no benefit to reveal the truth.




I am also thinking about Elizabeth making reference to "trash" and "dumpster". This seems to be more lies. More useless searching. It is like she staged everything to keep anyone from finding Gabriel. What dumpster, where? Any where in San Antonio, TX ? 

Then mentioning the diaper bag which was not found. It was most likely empty and packed away in her backpack when she got on the bus. She knew exactly where the diaper bag was and purposely gave misleading information.

She more than likely tossed in the trash at one or more locations in Texas or even at one or more of the buses layovers on her way to Florida any evidence that could possibly lead to finding Gabriel. Then there's the distance from the bus terminal in Florida to her final destination in Miami Beach.

I wouldn't doubt that she left a proverbial "bread crumb trail" of evidence after leaving Texas. Elizabeth was finding great pleasure in causing Logan pain. Sent him and Law Enforcement to look in the San Antonio Dump while any evidence could be miles away. I imagine she was smiling and laughing about the way she was creating the stage of pain and deception.

I also believe the last thing she tossed away was the empty diaper bag, the final hit, the biggest pain her final twisted revenge. Now all evidence of her son was now gone, she could start her new life. Getting into Elizabeth's mind is difficult, there is so much hate and anger. Logan, he became her target, or object to project her anger and hate on and all he did was love her. Elizabeth's twisted mental state kept telling her she was unlovable and that if Logan loved her he was lying. He became the enemy, which I allege the Smiths completely encouraged her to believe this. Elizabeth wanted more out of life for herself and her son, but not them being together. She was afraid and fixated that Gabriel would end up like her when she was a child.

There were two plans set before Elizabeth left Arizona with Gabriel. The one the Smiths arranged with Elizabeth and the other plan set by Elizabeth. As Elizabeth has been doing since she was a child was "taking care of herself by herself". She knew the Smiths could never adopt Gabriel, as that would mean she would know exactly where he was, and so would Logan. This was not part of her plan.

The only thing she kept were a few photos on her camera. To remind herself of the day Gabriel started his new life, a better life than she had. She kept nothing else of his except she did leave his carseat in the car. Mainly because it didn't matter. She had to use it the last time she transported Gabriel to where she would "give" him away.

(This is another possible fact that Gabriel was alive the last time he was with Elizabeth. She would have needed the carseat to take him to a meeting place. If she had killed him she most likely would have discarded or at least removed the carseat from the car. Leaving the carseat at the Hotel or some where else.)

Another fact that leads this writer into believing Gabriel is alive was the condition of the Hotel room (actually both Hotel rooms) they last stayed in. She left Gabriel's belongings. He was starting a new life and didn't need his past things. The belongings were not destroyed, cut up or damaged. There was no indication of one of her past "rage episodes". She was not angry when she left. Elizabeth was in control of her anger as she knew things were working out the way she wanted them to go. If things were not going "her way" Gabriel's belonging would have been damaged, and far worse would have occurred.

In the past she broke things and cut up Gabriel's and Logan's clothes. In a way it is thankful she projected her hate towards Logan and not Gabriel. At the Hotel, Elizabeth kept a large knife on the stand near the bed. From all reports she did not use it. This would suggest paranoia, protection and being by the bed, when most vulnerable while asleep. Elizabeth has a history and pattern of what she did during her reported "anger episodes". She destroyed things, yelled and made noise. On the surface she would appear "normal" but inside there was a past catalyst when activated she basically exploded without concern for the consequences of her actions. Being a mother brought her past back to her. She was reliving her past, each day, week and month that went by was causing the pain, the hate and all things she did not want in her present life.

The Hotel rooms may have been left a mess but things were not destroyed. She was in a hurry to get out of Texas. This is a positive sign that Elizabeth did not cut up Gabriel's clothes and destroy his things. The items were left, no longer needed.

(Then another reason to believe Gabriel is alive, the Smiths, and all their media appearances. Think about this, if they believed that Gabriel was dead would they have made any of these appearances? I think not. They would have just stayed out it. No matter how obsessed they were trying to adopt Gabriel if they had one iota of belief that Gabriel was dead, they would have never made but maybe one or two appearances / interviews. Stating they knew Elizabeth for a very short time after she contacted them about adopting Gabriel. That they had no information. Would they want to be considered accessories to murder? One way or another Jack would have stopped Tammi. Since they have dug themselves into Gabriel's missing and Tammi has been charged. They will continue to try and cover their butts. Had they left themselves out of the "spotlight" it may have been possible to overlook all their involvement. Tammi Smith got herself involved with Elizabeth while she was still in Arizona and saw her off when she left the state.)   


Then where is Gabriel? Why hasn't anyone returned him? His disappearance has been nationally covered. Some one surely would have seen him by now? What about the person or persons who facilitated the illegal adoption? Where are they and who are they? What about the couple who "adopted" Gabriel? Who are they and where are they?

Find the money, then follow the money. Elizabeth would have needed a very reasonable sum to start her New Life. She had been unemployed, sold anything of value she did have before leaving Arizona. She had only a few thousand dollars when she left Arizona. She would have researched the "going price" and asked for it. The money is somewhere, and available to her. She never would have just given away her son, as she states. She knows if she admitted to selling her son she would have more charges and time. Just giving away her son to strangers is possible partially true. She may have met them, just to see what they looked like or she may have been only shown photos of the couple. The main contact would have been through the "agent" of the adoption who would have profited financially.




Reports have been written that there was a couple and a Hispanic man seen with Elizabeth. Were these the persons involved in the illegal adoption? Was the couple the "new parents"?

Where did this information come from? Is it valid? Who was the witness? Was it released and then Law Enforcement put a stop as this information would impede their investigation?


These are only two articles I found and one is Nancy Grace which appears to have used information from another source(s):


Does anyone have the transcripts for the foxsanantonio.com video report below?

http://www.foxsanantonio.com/newsroom/top_stories/videos/vid_1117.shtml  02 01 2010



http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1002/01/ng.01.html  02 01 2010

All the other sources that came up in a search were from blogs, forums, boards, legitimate missing person sites, and associated content (the site where you get paid by how many people view your article, factual first hand information: NO) that repeated the information already published. They were not new sources.

Does anyone have any links to actual first hand reports of this information? Besides the fox San Antonio website?



There are indicators that Gabriel is alive. I do believe Gabriel is alive.


He most likely is not in the US. If he is in the US the "couple" are wealthy or paid everything to "adopt" him and were extremely desperate for a child. They would also have the means as Jack Smith stated, to the effect: " no one will recognize him in a couple years."   Yes, the Smiths know more and need to tell the truth.

Hope and prayers for Gabriel's safe return home to his father.

i found the marriage date for Tammi and Jack

SMITH JACKIE D     TAMMI F     PETERS   DAVIDSON   02-14-2004   06923     Reques

Marriages of Jackie D. Smith........not sure which ones...I am posting them so you guys can helf me narrow down the right ones.

SMITH JACKIE D     RITA M     NOT GIVEN   DAVIDSON   07-09-1981   29209     Request Form
SMITH JACKIE D    HELEN G    NOT GIVEN   ROBERTSON   12-23-1983   54215   Request Form
SMITH JACKIE D    CYNTHIA Y    NOT GIVEN   MADISON   06-28-1985   20505   Request Form
SMITH JACKIE D    SUSAN N    NOT GIVEN   DAVIDSON   10-08-1985   40823   Request Form
SMITH JACKIE D    TINA W    NOT GIVEN   DAVIDSON   07-08-1986   28628   Request Form
SMITH JACKIE D    BOBBIE A    NOT GIVEN   ANDERSON   01-21-1988   00025   Request Form
SMITH JACKIE D    ROBIN K    NOT GIVEN   WILSON   05-15-1988   22631   Request Form
SMITH JACKIE D    MYRA J    NOT GIVEN   SHELBY   08-11-1989   47282   Request Form
SMITH JACKIE D    HEATHER    WISER   MOORE   06-18-1994   46079   Request Form
SMITH JACKIE D    ANGELA M    MCGINNIS   ANDERSON   02-23-2000   10421   Request Form
SMITH JACKIE D    TAMMI F    PETERS   DAVIDSON   02-14-2004   06923







This is divorces for Jakie D Smith....also not sure which are right




SMITH JACKIE D     DELILAH S     NOT GIVEN   SUMNER   NOT GIVEN   06-07-1985   18237     Request Form
SMITH JACKIE D    RITE M    NOT GIVEN   RUTHERFORD   NOT GIVEN   01-10-1986   01396   Request Form
SMITH JACKIE D    SUSAN L    NOT GIVEN   DAVIDSON   CIRCUIT   03-29-1988   04541   Request Form
SMITH JACKIE D    ROBIN M    KILLEN   DAVIDSON   CIRCUIT   05-22-2000   10879   Request Form
S

snipped from Lilyfinns post


I don't mean to gross any one out here. A body does not turn "blue" at death. The hands and feet will turn a bluish color after several hours but not the entire body, it actually becomes initially pale, waxy, colorless.

By the time the body does turn a greenish-bluish-purplish (or a mix there of) color it would have a horrific smell. The decomp odor is very recognizable. The smell will gag or make you vomit.



I beg to differ.....it is possible for a body to turn blue at death, just according to the method of death. After a body has lain for a period of time the blood settles at the bottom of the body depending on whether the body is on it's back or on it's stomach. This pooling of blood can also take place before death . When circulation slows.

snipped from Lily's post again:


Then where is Gabriel? Why hasn't anyone returned him? His disappearance has been nationally covered. Some one surely would have seen him by now? What about the person or persons who facilitated the illegal adoption? Where are they and who are they? What about the couple who "adopted" Gabriel? Who are they and where are they?



This is the million dollar question. If we had answers to them we would most likely have Gabriel back. We have very little actual FACTS to go on. All we have heard about the man and the couple was on the  news. And we all know they don't  get it right all the time. The authorities are being tight lipped and I can't blame them. One word gets out and it is all blown out of proportion.

It would be nice to have a separate thread for all the Smith information.




In the video and photo thread does anyone have the transcripts for the video reports? 
I am deaf and watching with sound does not work very well for me.
I don't have a very good monitor to see captioning when available. I also don't lip read.


I am especially interested in the transcript for: Baby Gabriel's Mom Speaks With CBS 5 News

Does this mean they got married about the time Hannah was adopted ?....sorry I can not remember when the adoption was done.

Lilly, I think what you are looking for is posted back in the other threads somewhere. If not go to kpho.com under the news tab their is listed Baby Gabriel archives. You will find it in there.

Hannah was born in 2005.

Lividity or "pooling of blood" at the lowest point is what you are referencing is true. Method of death does have some effect of the "color" a body will turn but it will not be blue.
As if when a person first dies, they at first will turn a shade of blue due to lack of oxygen in the blood. This does not last long. What I stated are facts.

Dead bodies do not look blue.

Oh wow.

I am sorry.

Those questions were rhetorical, not expecting an answer.

Prior to posting, I have spent many days researching facts.

I have been working on reasons based on opinions, facts, and information I have been reviewing as to the belief Gabriel is alive.

I am not going to argue with you on the facts, but when my aunt and my dad passed away from Lung disease they were both blue looking. I am not talking about neon blue just a bluish grey color.It does not last lo9ng after death, but when you basically suffocate there is a bluish tinge to the skin.

Thank you, so many cases and so much information.

o/t Ryann Crows husband was arrested last night.  The monkeys may already know this.

No need to be sorry Lilly...I was just stating that those are million dollar questions.I wish to God we had the answers for them. I also think Gabriel is alive....I pray he is anyway. And I agree about Tammi  getting involved if she knew that Gabriel was dead. I think she is way to smug. I really think that someone she and Jack know have the baby. That is why we are trying so hard to dig on Tammi. We don't know enough information to do a whole lot of digging on Gabriel.....But Tammi is up to her eyeballs in this and I think she holds the key.

MyMonkey ...I have not followed that case. Do we have a thread for it? TIA

I have to say I never heard of the case of Ryann Crow, and that it is in California, but here is a link I just found.  http://**/local/ci_14416145

Thanks NRCG....I was searching SM for it. I haven't heard about this case.

Me either, and I can't seem to find anything on the forums. I can't believe I haven't heard of this case.

NG covered it last night - I think it is another Susan Powell case  ::MonkeyNoNo::

Texas Mum On Baby Gabriel's Amber Alert

PHOENIX -- Six weeks after a Valley baby was kidnapped and taken to San Antonio, Texas, officials there still refuse to reveal why they denied a Tempe police request to issue an Amber Alert.

Every state has different Amber Alert procedures and criteria.

Art Brooks, president of the Arizona Broadcasters Association and Arizona's Amber Alert Coordinator, said he can't think of a time in Arizona where the Department of Public Safety has not explained its decision on whether or not to issue an Amber Alert.

CBS 5 News has been asking the Texas Department of Public Safety for weeks about its decision not to issue an alert.

A letter formally requesting the information was sent to Texas DPS. The letter cited Texas public records laws and the public's right to know as reasons for them to release the information.

DPS asked the Texas attorney general for a legal opinion, who in a letter supported the Texas DPS decision to withhold the information, also citing Texas law.

Tempe police also asked The Arizona Department of Public Safety to issue an Amber Alert. Arizona DPS also declined.

An Arizona DPS spokesman explained the information relayed by Tempe police did not meet the criteria for an Amber Alert. He also said the baby was already known to be in another state.

http://www.kpho.com/news/22585413/detail.html

CBS 5 Asks: Why No Amber Alert For Baby Gabriel?
http://www.kpho.com/video/22585684/index.html

CBS 5 Public Records Request (.pdf)
http://www.kpho.com/download/2010/0217/22591030.pdf

Thank you Northern Rose.  You have to wonder if there aren't going to be repercussions about this?

Very thought out post.  Thanks and I agree with ya on many things you pointed out.  Not sure on the transcripts. However, be careful, even transcripts have been reported to have errors.  I have noticed this with the Anthony case. 

I would be nice to know where in Mexico that Tammi visited frequently?  Also, someone that has seen and aware of Tammi's visits there.  Perhaps they have seen her on occasions with different children on different visits in Mexico?  This may provide the info needed to help locate Gabriel. 

If they are going to have the Amber Alert....it should have the same criteria in every state.

Lillyfin you make some very good points. I think the "blue" was added in for effect. I really do believe he is alive and she didn't kill him. You stated the reasons very well, thank you. 

BTW I had a dream last night about this case, LE found the diaper bag in the dump but a doll was inside with a note that said "got ya". As you can tell from that, I think the girl is a bit crazy.

Completely agree with this statement and will add, they need to call an amber alert when a child under a certain age goes missing. For example, do you recall in the sandra cantu case they pondered the idea for days if she simply ran away! She was 8!

I had a similar idea. That Elizabeth specifically said diaper bag for a reason. That when the diaper bag is found a note, a baby doll or something may be in it. I did not include that in my long post. I have to start reducing my words.

Elizabeth is very calculating, smart and mentally twisted. I do believe she has more than one psychiatric condition. This makes it difficult to "get inside her mind".  I tried with that post but know there is more to her.

http://www.kpho.com/news/22509021/detail.html  01 09 2010 Why no Amber Alert


Northern Rose

Thank you for the previous posts of the Tempe Police questionaires for Tammi Smith and Elizabeth Johnson. A lot of interesting information. Have you included them in the links thread? They would be good to go back to read.

Do you have the booking information from when Elizabeth went to Arizona ? Like what was posted for Tammi Smith including the booking number? 

Thank you

I've started a thread for Ryann Bunnell Crow-here's the Link:
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=7158.new#new

Thanks Muffybee..... ::MonkeyAngel:: appreciate it

Thank-you Muffy  ::MonkeyAngel::

YW darla & nrcg.  ::bee::

::MonkeyAngel:: Thank you Muffy

Ok, I think I have a list of  wives for Jack Smith

1. Vicki Goodman Smith  haven't found the dates on this one yet.
2. Rita M. Smith 7/09/1981- 1/10/1986
3. Robin Killen Smith 5/15/1988-5/22/2000
4. Tammi Peters Smith 2/14/2004

Sorry I did not respond to you about Ryann...I was out for the afternoon ::MonkeyKiss:: Thank you for the thread Muffybee ::piggy::

So I guess Tammi spoke one ounce of truth about their anniversary but she was married when her relationship with Jack started, says a lot about her character.

No worries  ::MonkeyCool:: 

He was married to a Suzanne before marrying Robin......So Rita could still be in there before Suzanne

Fine up standing people these Smiths. Salt of the earth. Good God fearing people. Great parents (to kids that are not their own). ::MonkeyJnBox::

If anyone has a paid subscription on one of the search sites see if you can find Suzanne. I ran into a brick wall.

Yep they sure are lol.

So was Jack hehe. Even with all his wives he had a mistress too.

Vickie and Jack may have married around 1971-1972.  Nicki was born 21 Aug 72.

The Goodman's must have a public 'family tree' available, it should include marriages.

Monkey's do you know Vickie's middle name,please?

SuzyQ has a membership with a search sight.

***SNIPPED


Lillyfinn- Excellent Post! ITA with what you've written.  The first bold (by me) made me think that Elizabeth was likely jealous of attention Logan gave the baby.  Given Elizabeth's background, IMO she needed Logan to validate her self-worth.  At the same time, motherhood likely reminded her of her own pain, sense of loss/anger at the lack of belonging in a family.  IMO, this made her careful not to actually physically harm Gabriel when she was angry.  Rather, she emotionally detached herself and in essence, "removed herself" from the situation by not responding to him (not changing his diaper, leaving him in his crib for an extended time, etc).  It's interesting that she damaged Gabriel's belongings when she was angry, but not Gabriel.  She clearly was venting against Gabriel, but wouldn't allow herself to harm him.  Just another reason I think Gabriel is alive somewhere.    I think she wanted to give Gabriel away, but wouldn't allow Logan to have him (using Gabriel as a weapon) because it would cut her control, making her unnecessary to Logan. At the same time, because she had no control over her own childhood, she was going to have some control with Gabriel.


ITA on the condition of the hotel room weighing in favor of Gabriel being alive.  Aside from messy, nothing of Gabriel's was damaged...a very good sign.  The knife-next-to-the-bed suggests she was paranoid to me also.  I also agree on the car seat being necessary to transport Gabriel to the drop-off site.  IMO, Jack and Tammi know more than they're sharing.  If I were Tammi, I'd be very careful about talking about God-He said pretty clearly He would not be mocked and whatever a man sows, that will he also reap.  I say follow the money also.  I' be interested to know if any banks/money-wiring facilities in the TX-AZ-FL area have Elizabeth on videotape cashing checks/picking up a wire transfer/etc.  Wonder about ATMs or reloadable VISA cards also.  Wonder if she was found with cash on hand.

Well, calling it a night here.  Thanks for the great input.

Does anyone know anything about highend jewelry. EJ was found with a ring worth about $20,000.
Would not this type of ring have a special designer? Would it be sold in select jewelry stores? Could a highend jeweler be able to identify who the creator is and where it was sold. If the shop is found then maybe who bought it.

http://www.kpho.com/news/22597349/detail.html

Edit to fix link.  MB

Oops! I think I left out a dot. Try this.
http://www.kpho.com/news/22597349/detail.html

http://www.kpho.com/news/22597349/detail.html
<snip>
McQueary pointed to new evidence that Johnson was arrested with a ruby and diamond ring worth approximately $20,000 in her pocket. He lived with her for two years, but he had never seen it before.

"Sometimes when they give the baby away for adoption, they hand over a piece of jewelry to the mother or someone who is handing over the baby as a payment instead of money," said McQueary.

Where did a woman who couldn't afford a car, and worked only low paying jobs, get a ring like that?

Those questions, and the surfacing evidence of an underground adoption, are more reasons why McQueary said he won't give up hope.
<snip>


Thanks Belmom. 

Good morning Belmom  ::HelloKitty::  I figured out the dot was missing in the link after I clicked on it and it didn't work, so I edited it in your post.  It's very kind of you to post to correct the link  ::rhino::  I think this bit of "new evidence" Logan is talking about is interesting.  I wonder if he got that information from the police in San Antonio?  Maybe they were asking him if he had seen Elizabeth  with the ring before she took Gabriel or if he had even heard her talk about a ring like this before?   I feel very encouraged with that information, and wonder if that is one reason why the garbage dump search was held off for so long, since to me it would help reinforce the belief Gabriel had been sold and not killed.  My concern though is, what if Elizabeth had been given the ring as a deposit with promise of cash later before handing over Gabriel, and Elizabeth over dosed Gabriel on the meds in the mean time?  I surely hope that didn't happen.  The thing is, the ring may have a retail value of $20,000.00, but that doesn't mean it could be sold for that amount.  She would get maybe a third of that, and she would have to to go the trouble of selling it.  Reputable places would ask questions.    Disreputable places would give her a very low price for the ring if she tried to resell it, and would value it only for materials, after breaking it up so it wouldn't be a HOT item.  IMO  Just thinking here.  Banks track when large amounts of money, particularly cash is moved around, which is another thought.

The info on that ring is interesting. She also could have stolen it.

Do you think the ring had a designer? Was it sold in a special shop? Who makes that kind of Jewelry?

Tammi due in court today.

http://www.azfamily.com/news/second-phase-of-Texas-landfill-search-to-begin-84684

okay second try on this link.

http://www.azfamily.com/news/second-phase-of-Texas-landfill-search-to-begin-84694437.html

Trying again.

http://www.azfamily.com/news/second-phase-of-Texas-landfill-search-to-begin-84694437.html

If this does not work I am sorry. I got it off BHGJ FB page. It works there.

Belmom,
thanks for that info on the ring.  The 1st link worked fine for me.

I wonder if she had that ring appraised before she handed Gabe over.  I hope the LE is looking at jewlers in SA who might recognize her and the ring.

I hope this 20G ring is tracable and not an old/estate ring.

Yes,  thanks for bringing the link over.  This ring provides me with a little more hope that Gabriel is alive.  I wish like someone mentioned, a pawnshop employee would come forward and possibly identify some of the players within this mystery.  Perhaps she had it appraised in San Antonio.  Tonight I will search for the locations of jewelry appraisers and pawnshops around the hotel where Elizabeth stayed.

Expensive ring may prove Baby Gabriel is alive and adopted, father says (with video)

Logan McQueary does not put much stock in claims his son may be a murder victim.

Gabriel Johnson has been missing since late December when authorities said his mother, Elizabeth, brought him to San Antonio. The child has not been seen since.

San Antonio police launched a capital murder investigation in conjunction with the toddler's missing person case. In fact, they will begin sifting through the Tessman Road Landfill for evidence of his murder Thursday morning.

"I'm really not worried about it that much because I don't think Gabriel's there at all, " McQueary said.

The 25-year-old has searched from Arizona to San Antonio for his missing son.

The baby's mother reportedly wanted to put their child up for adoption. He allegedly disagreed.

Police said that evolved into the 23-year-old mother going on the run. She ended up in Miami without her son.

Johnson was arrested on child custody charges for skipping a hearing regarding Gabriel's custody. Investigators said she was not helpful in determining the child's whereabouts.

She alleged her son was given to a couple in a San Antonio park. But police have found no evidence that ever happened.

McQueary said she reportedly sent him an e-mail claiming she murdered their son, put him in a bag and threw him in a Dumpster before she left town.

That's why the authorities are searching an east-side landfill. The trash from the hotel where she stayed in San Antonio comes to the area they plan to sift for several days.

But Gabriel's father believes his son is the yield of an illegal adoption, not murder.

"It's looking like Elizabeth handed him off to somebody," he claimed. "I don't think Elizabeth did what she said. I think she just said that to hurt me."

The distraught father bases his belief on several clues he's dug up on his own. The most recent revelation is a $20,000 ruby and diamond ring. She reportedly had it in her pocket when she was arrested.

"Sometimes when they give the baby away for adoption they hand over jewelry to the mother,"  he said.

McQueary believes that unlike cash, the trail for pawned jewelry is more difficult to trace. He's still trying to figure out who gave her the ring.

The Arizona father said Elizabeth had low-paying jobs. In addition, McQueary said in the two years they lived together he never saw that ring.

The expensive piece of jewelry was allegedly handed over to Johnson's grandfather, Arizona authorities said. However, McQueary said the grandfather denies any knowledge of the ring.

"I'm gonna keep searching until they prove me wrong," he said. "Gabriel's still out there. He got handed off to somebody, and we're going to find him."

 http://www.kens5.com/news/Baby-Gabriels-father-Expensive-ring-may-prove-son-is-alive-and-adopted-84694897.html

That last video states that Logan is back in AZ?

Digging complete, now SAPD set to sift through trash in search of Baby Gabriel (with video)


The San Antonio Police Department is set to begin phase two of the landfill search for missing Baby Gabriel.

The dig is complete, and now the actually physical search is set to begin.

SAPD have set up a command post at the site. It's the white truck along with the yellow tent.

Starting Thursday at 7:30 a.m. the  San Antonio Police Department is ready to begin sifting through layers of trash in search for possible evidence. in the case.

The police chief has said this will be a very tedious process as the trash will be spread out into rows, and officers will literally walk down that row and go through each and every piece of garbage.

This process could take days -- even weeks.

The FBI will also have officers at the landfill Thursday, helping with the search.

This search is set to begin right on the schedule the department had laid out.

They said it would take six days to dig down to the target area. It has now been six days, and they are now ready to begin the search.

http://www.kvue.com/news/state/Digging-complete-now-SAPD-set-to-sift-through-trash-in-search-of-Baby-Gabriel-84696177.html

Landfill search for Baby Gabriel reaches target level
(with video)


SAN ANTONIO (AP) — San Antonio police say crews searching a local landfill for clues to the fate of a missing Arizona baby have reached the target level of their dig.

A Wednesday statement from San Antonio Police Chief William McManus says crews had only to reach a 30-foot depth of an expected 45-foot depth in the Tessman Road Landfill.

McManus says a meticulous second phase of the landfill search will begin Thursday. However, he says the hope remains that 8-month-old Gabriel Johnson will be found alive.

He was last seen with his mother, Elizabeth Johnson, shortly after Christmas at a San Antonio hotel. The Tempe, Ariz., woman was later arrested alone on charges of kidnapping, child abuse and custodial interference. She told the boy's father she killed Gabriel and dumped him in the trash — a story she later recanted.

http://www.woai.com/news/local/story/Landfill-search-for-Baby-Gabriel-reaches-target/YNs_2aqvtEeU7okHh2Dg1Q.cspx

Tempe PD is saying that Gramps picked up the ring (did he not do an interview back when he was trying to see EJ and said EJ called him and told him to pick up her things especially a expensive ring? ).  When the reporter asked Gramps where the ring was he said he did not know.  Gramps has a short memory span or EJ told him more tht he is nto spilling IMO. 

Sorry about spelling on that last post.  Cat was walking across keyboard and hit post before I could fix it.   ::MonkeyNoNo::

Landfill Search For Baby Gabriel Enters Phase 2 (video)

http://www.kpho.com/video/22600077/index.html

There was a previous article (sorry don't have the link right now)

When Elizabeth contacted her Grandpa from jail, she asked him to pick up two things. An expensive ring and $300 cash. I hope the police have taken the ring as evidence (maybe since it has been described, they have) that article did not say how much the ring was worth.

Seems like a "down payment" maybe an heirloom (?) from the couple, plus they must have given her some cash as her original $2K she was estimated as having when she left Arizona would have run out before she left Texas.

The "couple" would have given cash to the "adoption agent". I am sure that person(s) would have required cash.

Legally, a bank or any financial institution is required to report to the IRS if a person makes a withdrawl or deposit of $10,000 or more. Most people do not keep large sums of money hidden at home but there are exceptions.

Now either this "couple" were wealthy to have such a ring or that is something of value they owned and they were not wealthy.

Tracking that ring to to jeweler or original owner. Unless Elizabeth purchased it, then the original owner would not matter. Again, Elizabeth would be smart enough not to keep on her person a large sum of cash. If Elizabeth received more than $10K, she could have divided it up into several bank or other financial instituions.

I seriously doubt that any relative (i.e. parents) or friend would have just given her that ring. Based on her parents having drug and alcohol issues. There have been no friends of Elizabeth to speak of, except for the Smiths.

Did the Smiths give her that ring? Instead of cash, a ring she could pawn when she needed more money? I hope not. I hope it tracks back to the "couple" that have Gabriel.

2 peas in a pod  ::MonkeyWink::

Here's the link to the article I mentioned in my last post. There's a video link in the article. Elizabeth called her Grandpa to pick up the cash and ring.



http://www.kpho.com/news/22256806/detail.html    01/16- 01/17  2010


PHOENIX -- It's been more than a week since we've heard from Elizabeth Johnson, the mother of missing 8-month-old Gabriel Johnson.

Gabriel has been missing for nearly a month, and Johnson sits behind bars at a Valley jail. She made one phone call Saturday night, and CBS 5 was there when it happened

Watch: Missing Baby's Mom Calls Her Grandfather (There's a video link here)

Elizabeth Johnson called her grandfather, Bob Johnson. It was the first time they've spoke in nearly a week.

The two only spoke for a couple of minutes, talking about items she wanted him to pick up from jail. Johnson asked her grandfather to pick up the $300 she had when she was arrested in Florida, as well as an expensive ring she said she was wearing.

The call came just minutes after Bob told CBS 5 he wasn't sure his great-grandson was still alive.

Bob Johnson said, "The more days that go by, the more concerned I get for the health and welfare of baby Gabriel. It would seem that whoever she gave the child to, under the assumption she did indeed give the child to someone, those people would be scared out of their mind by now."

Johnson also said he's having trouble getting the car Elizabeth took off in back to Arizona. He said FBI agents gave him the all clear to come to Texas and pick it up, but Johnson said Tempe police told him they're going to hang onto it in case this turns into a homicide.

Elizabeth Johnson was officially charged with kidnapping, child abuse, custodial interference and conspiracy to commit custodial interference Friday.

Fundraiser to benefit father of missing baby

Gabriel Johnson
The father of missing 9-month-old Gabriel Johnson is hoping to increase the reward for information that can lead to the safe return of his son.

Beginning at 11:30 a.m. Thursday, Manny’s Mexican and American Restaurant, 12345 W. Indian School Road in Avondale, will host a fundraiser for the family of Logan McQueary, Gabriel’s father, who is continuing to search for clues that can possibly lead him to Gabriel.

The fundraiser will last through Sunday.

MORE...

http://www.eastvalleytribune.com/story/150824

according to KPHO, Tempe PD have told them that Gramps came and picked her personal items up from the jail including the ring.

Hello Monkey's,

Would a serial number be inside of an expensive ring for insurance purposes?

Thank you for the updates everyone.  This jewelry development sure is interesting I wish they would show photos of it (if LE has the jewelry) in case someone would recognize the jewelry and tie to someone they might know or have seen.  You just never know it might be a piece of the puzzle that could be put together.

Nonprofit Takes on Missing Baby Search (with video)
Jessica's Law Now to cover some search expenses

A national organization is now stepping into the search for missing baby Gabriel. Police say his non-custodial mother, Elizabeth Johnson, kidnapped him and took him across the country last Christmas.

The national nonprofit organization "Jessica's Law Now" is offering to help with some of the search expenses for Gabriel's dad, Logan McQueary.

McQueary is in San Antonio, the last place Gabriel was seen alive. Police have opened up both a homicide and a missing persons investigation.

The organization will pay for McQueary's gas, hotel stay, and even the cost of flyers he's plastering all over the city.

This weekend, the organization is holding a fundraiser at Manny's Mexican Restaurant in Avondale.

The fundraiser will run will run Friday, February 19, Saturday, February 20, and Sunday, February 21, 2010 at Manny's, and will feature live music, dancing, and food. There will also be a raffle for a Kurt Warner autographed football on Saturday.

Manny's is located at 12345 West Indian School Road in Avondale.

http://www.myfoxphoenix.com/dpp/news/local/nonprofit-takes-on-missing-baby-search-2-16-2010

Correct. The discoloration in life is called cyanosis, this is the result of inadequate oxygen in the bloodstream . After death even those without lung disease look grey/blue for a while. The face is pale, but the rest of the body has a very dusky hue.   

http://www.superiorcourt.maricopa.gov/docket/CriminalCourtCases/caseInfo.asp?caseNumber=CR2010-101760

2/18/2010  002 - ME: Hearing Vacated - Party (002)  2/18/2010    
2/10/2010  NSI - Notice of Supervening Indictment - Party (002)  2/11/2010  Plaintiff (1)   
2/10/2010  606 - ME: GJ Not/Supervening Indictment - Party (002)  2/11/2010   
2/10/2010  IND - Indictment - Party (002)  2/11/2010  Plaintiff (1)   
2/5/2010  IAD - Initial Appearance Document - Party (002)  2/5/2010   
2/3/2010  DCO - Direct Complaint - Party (002)  2/3/2010   
1/26/2010  152 - ME: Not Guilty Plea Arraign - Party (001)  1/26/2010   
1/21/2010  002 - ME: Hearing Vacated - Party (001)  1/21/2010   
1/14/2010  IAD - Initial Appearance Document - Party (001)  1/14/2010   
1/14/2010  NSI - Notice of Supervening Indictment - Party (001)  1/15/2010  Plaintiff (1)   
1/14/2010  606 - ME: GJ Not/Supervening Indictment - Party (001)  1/15/2010   
1/14/2010  IND - Indictment - Party (001)  1/15/2010  Plaintiff (1)   
1/12/2010  DCO - Direct Complaint - Party (001)  1/13/2010   
Case Calendar
Date Time Event
1/15/2010  8:35    Status Conference 
1/20/2010  8:30    Preliminary Hearing 
1/25/2010  8:30    Original Arraignment Hearing 
2/8/2010  8:35    Status Conference 
2/12/2010  8:30    Preliminary Hearing 
2/18/2010  8:30    Original Arraignment Hearing 
3/9/2010  8:15    Initial Pretrial Conference 
4/5/2010  8:15    Initial Pretrial Conference 

In missing baby Gabriel case, a suspect pleads not guilty

Tammi Peters Smith, the Scottsdale woman implicated in the case of missing baby Gabriel Johnson, entered not-guilty pleas Thursday morning to felony counts of forgery and conspiracy to commit custodial interference in Maricopa County Superior Court.

She remains free on $15,000 bond.

Tempe police say they believe that Smith is withholding information about the baby's mother, Elizabeth Johnson, who has been charged with kidnapping, child abuse, custodial interference and conspiracy to commit custodial interference.

Johnson and the baby, then 8 months old, disappeared in December in the middle of a custody dispute with the baby's father. Johnson was later arrested in Miami and remains in custody. The baby has not been found, and investigators have not determined whether the child is alive. San Antonio police are searching a landfill in that city because the baby and Johnson were last seen together there, shortly after Christmas, and because Johnson had initially told the boy's father that she had killed him and thrown his body in the trash.

She later recanted the story.

Police and prosecutors believe that Smith, 37, provided Johnson with adoption advice and contacts for a place to stay after she fled with Gabriel. And the forgery charge comes from an allegation that she falsified documents as to who isthe child's father.

Smith had no comment as she left the courtroom Thursday, but her attorney Amy Nguyen, said that they do not know why Smith has been charged.

"We know it has nothing to do with the disappearance of baby Gabriel," Nguyen said. "It's all speculation at this point. We haven't been given any information by the state."

Nguyen said that Smith was "anxious to get it behind her."

http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2010/02/18/20100218missing-baby-gabriel-not-guilty-plea0218.html

Enema woman has a new attorney according to that last article : Amy Nguyen

Thanks  ::MonkeyCool::

5 years since Amy Lynn Nguyen was first licensed to practice law in AZ.
See license details Hide license details

State License status Year acquired Last updated by Avvo
Arizona Active  2004 07/11/2008

http://www.avvo.com/attorneys/85012-az-amy-nguyen-419726.html

She works inthe Mimerer & Derrick offices.  Guess Kimerer cost too much   ::piggy::

AMY L. NGUYEN
Graduated from Arizona State University College of Law in May, 2004, cum laude. While at the College of Law, she clerked at the Federal Public Defender’s Office, Capital Habeas Unit, and interned with Judge Robert C. Broomfield of the Federal District Court for the District of Arizona.

Ms. Nguyen joined law firm of Kimerer & Derrick, P.C. as an associate attorney in 2004, where her entire practice is dedicated to criminal defense in state and federal courts. Although most of her practice consists of trial level cases, Ms. Nguyen also represents defendants in various levels of appeal, including direct appeal, Rule 32 Petitions for Post Conviction Relief and Federal Petitions for Habeas Corpus Relief.

Ms. Nguyen is admitted to practice law in the State of Arizona, the Federal District Court for the District of Arizona, and the United States Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit. She is also a member of Arizona Attorneys for Criminal Justice (AAXJ) and Arizona Women Lawyer’s Association (AWLA).
(http://www.thefirmthatcares.com/images/amynguyen.jpg)

http://www.thefirmthatcares.com/amynguyen.html

The shite cleaning business must be slow right now  ::rhino::   ::rhino::  to have to settle for a relatively Jr lawyer. 

I am not sure about that but I do know that for expensive jewelery the jewler would leave his mark on it somewhere. 

The information about the ring is interesting but what I don't understand is why LE didn't file it as possible evidence? To be honest, when I first heard of the ring I didn't think twice but shouldn't they have? No wonder they give jewelery rather then money, seems to work.

Northern Rose you are so funny, I just love your sense of humor.

Thanks, NoRose.


What if JS gave that to EJ?  He must have a collection of stuff from Wills... the way they operate, jmo.  ::MonkeyHaHa::

LE may know where it came from and must be legit. jmo.

Could it be this attorney will barter?  You know exchange for goods and or services?  ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyTongue::

I guess it is not uncommon to give fine jewelry in these underground adoptions. It is not has traceable. The more I learn about this case the more I am shocked this stuff goes on.
I can't believe they (LE) turned this ring over to the grandfather. Maybe at the time they were thinking she killed the baby or gave him away. Not really understanding she could have sold him in a underground adoption. Or as Mark Klass would say human trafficing.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::  a little clogged  ::MonkeyHaHa::

I think LE messed up with the ring IMO.  EJ clearly knew it had to be hid as why else would she tell Gramps that he needed to get it?

Good Afternoon Monkeys and Guest!

Northern I agree with you on the ring. LE should have kept that until  they found where it came from. A picture of that ring broadcast may be the one link that can find Gabriel. I remember her telling her grandpa to come get her money and the ring. But had no idea it was such an expensive one. 

..."but her attorney Amy Nguyen, said that they do not know why Smith has been charged."    ::rhino::    ::piggy::    ::rhino:: 

Dearest new Ms. Lawyer

Perhaps your client going on the news saying when the detectives showed her the documents and asked if that was her hand writing and she said YES, and perhaps when your client then went on the news and said she did write Craig's name on the documents as she did not want to get a stranger in trouble could possibly be why she has been charged.

Perhaps knowingly filing false information on a court document could possibly be why she has been charged.

Perhaps there are many more perhaps's all on video from your own client's mouth and in your own clients loving the media attention (I am a star...look at me) words.

You must have missed the whole "it is not nice to lie to the courts when filing documents 101 class and you will be charged for filing false information with the courts 101 class ".

Sincerely
Ignorance is no excuse
($29.95 special price)

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: you hit the nail on the head.
I still think the documents Tammi had for custody of Gabriel were fake. There should be charges for that.

::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ROFLMAO

The former attorney was a 'death penalty Lawyer'...does this mean the Third charge is off the table?

Maybe Her attorney does not know you cannot lie on  a court document. She seems real young. Her client said it was a little white lie. On camera. Oh let's not forget the phone calls on audio tape of her client harassing Logan to sign the papers. Use of Audio and visual in a court is great idea don't you think? Gosh, do you think this attorney will tare Logan apart?

NoRose,

 I respectfully disagree, LE, knows exactly where that bauble came from and my guess it is the S's.

Governor Requests Extradition for Jarred Harrell
 Dave Wax  Ann Butler     1 hr ago

TALLAHASSEE, Fla. -- The governor has stepped in to request that the person of interest in the murder of Somer Thompson be extradited from Mississippi.

This afternoon, Gov. Charlie Crist issued the following statement regarding Jarred Mitchell Harrell:

"After working closely with the Office of State Attorney Angela Corey in the 4th Circuit, today I requested that Mississippi Governor Haley Barbour grant the extradition of fugitive Jarred Mitchell Harrell to Florida, where he faces 29 counts of possession of child pornography.

"I am grateful for the Mississippi law enforcement officers who apprehended this dangerous suspect. It is crucial to remain vigilant in prosecuting crimes against our children. Those who perpetrate horrendous offenses against Florida's most vulnerable citizens must be brought to justice."

READ THE OFFICIAL REQUEST

Harrell was arrested last week in Mississippi on child porn charges.

Following his arrest, Clay County Sheriff Rick Beseler held a news conference announcing that Harrell was also a person of interest in the Somer Thompson case. He used to live near Somer's home, and along her route home from school.

Harrell announced earlier this week that he was fighting extradition; in that case, the governor of the extraditing state must request permission for extradition from the governor of the state where the person is being held.

In October, 7-year-old Somer disappeared as she walked home from school in Orange Park. Her body was found a few days later in a Georgia landfill.
First Coast News

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=152211&catid=3

Thanks Mission for the update on Somer's case.

If she is defending many people like TS she probably gets fed lots of lines of shite!  Perhaps she does need a clean out!   ::MonkeyDevil::

http://www.grayandsons.com/category/168  the most expensive ruby ring they have is a bit over 9 grand so that must be some ring.

http://www.angara.com/Engagement-Rings/Ruby-Engagement-Rings/821624_ARW0454RH-6.5/y

Oval Ruby and Round Diamond Cocktail Ring in Platinum (10x8 mm)


Retail Value: $71779.99
Angara Price: $26639.99
Sale Price: $21299.99

wanted to add, if you look at the photo, you can see that there is no stamp inside this particular ring, does not mean there was not on the one EJ had, but not on this one and at the retail value it sits at, would think it would have, so doubt EJ's did.

Underground Adoptions

The investigation into baby's Gabriel's disappearance has not turned up the baby, but it has revealed some ugly secrets about underground adoptions. Where people pay money, cars or even jewelry in exchange for a baby. So is that what really happened in baby Gabriel's disappearance? His father thinks so. After investigating for two months Fox News at Nine has learned about a dirty secret of how birth mothers are paid with expensive jewelry. That led Gabriel's father to police who admitted that the baby's mother had a ring worth close to $30,000 on her when she was arrested. Yami Virgin has this special report. Underground Adoptions

http://www.foxsanantonio.com/newsroom/top_stories/videos/vid_1288.shtml

Your welcome Darla - shoot - I meant to put that in Gabriel's thread.  ::MonkeyConfused::

Something I wonder and that is how do we know for certain the value of the ring?  Was this what EJ told LE or was it confirmed?  What I am getting at is did she actually know for a fact that that is how much it was worth?  Or is she going on what someone told her?  Sure would be nice if they could get a warrant and take back the ring for analysis/evidence.

I was just thinking that. Actually if she did give Gabriel to someone and the payment was with a ring, wouldn't you want to take the ring to have it appraised first, otherwise they could be cheating you.

Exactly........which is why I wonder about the time she spent in SA - I mean she was there for a week so was part of that time spent verifying the value of the jewelry etc?

That could be.

Baby Gabriel's Dad: I think He's Alive

http://www.kpho.com/video/22606409/index.html

Baby Gabriel's Dad: Someone Has My Son

PHOENIX -- Despite a meticulous search under way in a Texas landfill, Logan McQueary plans a return trip to San Antonio to find his son. McQueary said he believes his son, Gabriel Johnson, is alive.

"I think he's with a couple that Elizabeth handed him off too. And we're going to find who it is," said McQueary.

Baby Gabriel was last seen with his mom, Elizabeth Johnson, in San Antonio the day after Christmas. A few days later, Johnson was arrested in Florida on charges of kidnapping and custodial interference. Gabriel was nowhere to be found.

Johnson originally told McQueary she had killed the baby and put him in the trash. She later changed her story and said she gave the baby away.

Investigating the original claim, San Antonio police identified a section of the Tessman Road Landfill where they might find evidence in the case. They excavated 30 feet and nearly 45 thousand tons of debris from a section of the landfill and today started phase two of their search.

A total of 35 workers will comb through the next layer of waste by hand and use cadaver dogs to support them.

"The dogs are trained to detect the scent of human decomposition and alert their handlers when they have located that so the dogs are searching for the odor of human decomposition," said Christy Bormann of the Alamo Search and Rescue team.

McQueary said he's not concerned with the landfill search.

"It doesn't matter to me. I think it needs to be just done and over with and that's what they're doing. The sooner the better it gets done with because I don't think Gabriel is there at all," said McQueary.

McQueary believes Johnson gave the baby away and whoever has him is scared to come forward because of all the media attention.

"They might be afraid that they're going to get in trouble. The truth is they're not. We're not looking for anybody to get in trouble, right now. All we want is for Gabriel to be returned. I want my son back," said McQueary.

McQueary is hoping money may bring someone forward with information about his son's whereabouts.

A fundraiser is set for this weekend to raise money to increase the reward for missing baby Gabriel. This event will run Friday, Feb. 19, through Sunday, Feb. 21, at Manny’s Mexican Restaurant. New and upcoming performer “Chavo” will be performing his new singles, "El Presidente" and "Yo Quero Nada" mixing it up with his smooth beat.

http://www.kpho.com/news/22606939/detail.html

February 19, 2010 /24-7PressRelease/ -- Custodial Interference and Parental Alienation in AZ

Police arrested a woman in connection with a child abduction case even though she is not a suspect in the child's disappearance.

Instead, Tammi Smith of Scottsdale, Ariz., faces custodial interference charges for her lengthy and repeated pressure to adopt the 8-month-old baby. The legally and emotionally complex world of adoption and parental custody is further complicated by custodial interference and parental alienation.

Courts grant various levels of custody to birth parents, adoptive parents and guardians. Physical custody means the child lives with the custodian at least part of the time, who is responsible for the child's well-being. Legal custody allows rights to decide on schooling, religion and other major factors in a child's life. It may or may not coincide with physical custody. Both types of custody also can be split in joint custody cases.

Parents or other individuals can be charged with custodial interference if they refuse to return a child to the custodian after visitation or otherwise try to deny the right to established custody.

Custodial interference laws vary widely between states. Under Arizona state law, a person who is not the parent or legal custodian can face a Class 3 felony for keeping a child from their legal custodian. This may bring a sentence of up to 8.75 years in prison.

Smith had brief guardianship over Gabriel Johnson, the 8-month-old baby she wants to adopt. After this 10-day period, she allegedly bullied Gabriel's father, forged court documents and tried to have the custody case moved to Tennessee, where the laws might be more favorable to her adoption case. These extreme measures led to a charge of conspiracy to commit custodial interference. A second charge of custodial interference was dropped.

The more common type of custodial interference is one parent keeping the child away from another parent in a joint custody situation. Under Arizona state law, this type of custodial interference is a Class 6 felony, bringing sentences ranging from probation to years in prison.


MORE...

http://www.24-7pressrelease.com/press-release/custodial-interference-and-parental-alienation-in-az-137966.php

Hi, Monkeys----I don't understand why the police gave the ring to EJ's grandfather. One would think that under the circumstances they would hold it as potential evidence of several things.  It could be stolen, it could be payment for Gabriel or EJ's lawyer.  If she owns a $30,000 ring, I don't think she could be considered indigent.  IMO there's something funny here.  Sorry, but it is inexplicable that the ring was given to the grandfather without establishing ownership.  EJ never had a ring like that in her life.  It couldn't be legitimately hers. 

I totally agree babybear.....If she was given the ring in payment for Gabriel....even trying to sell it would raise all kinds of flags and no way would she get the full price of it. No pawn shop would pay over a 10th of what it is worth.

Snit I got in your quote box so I am posting again.

I agree with you both!  I am not real impressed with the police work in this case.   ::MonkeyNoNo::

It is even stranger when you consider that the government never fails to take the property of anyone that is accused of committing many crimes. Even before you are convicted. Seems like this would be the case here.

Hiya— Just fyi, in a news article, the ring was said to be $30,000. But in a news video, Logan stated it was worth about $20,000. Who knows who told him what the value is. According to Logan, EJ may have received the ring in exchange for Baby Gabriel. Rumor has it that Bob Johnson has lost the ring since he picked it up from jail. Can't believe the ring wasn't kept for evidence.

I understand it's not a good idea to identify oneself in this forum due to it's sensitive nature. Wish I could ::MonkeyCool::. Anyway, I'm looking for info on all of TPS marriages and have come up blank so far on her marriage to Jack-- or Jackie Don. However, I would like to share a piece of info given directly to me and that I intend to verify when I have the chance.

Here is verbatim what I was given: "Her third marriage was to Mikel Sikora. She was also married to Mikel Sikora at the time she married Michael Riddle." If this is true, then by law, TPS is/was a bigamist. I found a domestic relations record for TPS with Mikel Sikora (who I believe goes by Michael now) but I could not find a marriage or divorce record.

Hi Freedom, that is interesting, if you go to this link which is in the previous thread you will find research that some of the monkeys did on her marriages to these two men, it might help.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?action=search2

Freedom ......all of Tammi's marriages are posted back in the other thread. And divorces also She and Jack were married 2/14/2004

I apologize that link did not work use this one

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=6945.msg1074168#msg1074168

Hi Darla  ::HelloKitty::

Hi Mission and Miss Muffybee......this thread has been so slow for the last couple of days. I haven't found anything more on Jacks marriages as the Tennessee vital records only go back to 1980. But I do have 4 marriages for him confirmed.

Darla I saw the marriages that you found for Jack which is great because I kept coming up with notta - good work - he was as busy as Tammi in the marriage dept. - I still feel so strongly that they know a lot more than meets the eye about Gabriel's whereabouts. I just do.

I know the one before Robin was Suzanne but can't find when they were married and divorced yet. But give me time. and there may have been another one before Suzanne and after Vicki. Plus I was told Holly Dunn was his mistress for years and all the backup singers on the Grand ole opera got a go round with him at one time or other.

Thank you for all the digging and work you're doing darla.   ::MonkeyKiss::

YW, I wish I could afford to pay for some of the search sites.

Sweet Baby Gabriel, I haven't forgotten you sweetheart...l am still praying and still digging.

Good morning Monkeys!  There is an article about a group going to Haiti to do Thermal Imaging.  This group helped search for Caylee, Laura Smithers, etc.
  http://www.aolnews.com/world/article/search-group-3-view-search-services-to-bring-high-tech-tools-to-haiti/19360779 

Why have they not used thermal imaging over the dump that they are searching for Gabriel in?  Have a great day!

I think the problem would be that so much garbage gives off heat signatures it would not be useful. But I could be wrong on that.

Missing Baby Gabriel Johnson Adoption Barter Theory: Baby Traded for Ring

Missing Baby Gabriel Johnson adoption barter theory: baby traded for ring. Logan McQueary, Gabriel Johnson’s birth father has a theory that his ex-girlfriend traded their infant son for a $20,000 ruby and diamond ring.

Gabriel Johnson hasn’t been seen since December 26th when surveillance cameras showing the young boy and his mother was uncovered.  On December 27th, Elizabeth Johnson boarded a bus to Florida.

Authorities believe the worst in this case.  They believe that Johnson killed her infant son, much like the chilling text message she sent McQueary shortly after Christmas confirmed.  However, some think that she gave her baby to a couple in an underground adoption.

Elizabeth Johnson wanted to give her son up for adoption, but Logan McQueary wouldn’t give up his parental rights. Some think that she simply gave the baby away as a method of getting around the baby’s father’s resistance to adoption.

Authorities are busy searching a landfill in Texas where some believe the body of the baby is located.  Johnson said that she stuffed the dead baby in a diaper bag, and when authorities found the hotel room where the baby and his mother were the night before she left, they found all of the baby’s belongings but no diaper bag.

Some reports indicate that Elizabeth Johnson had on a $20,000 ruby and diamond ring when she was uncovered in Florida.  McQueary says that there’s no way she could have been able to afford the ring, and that she never had a ring like that before.

Rings are commonly used in underground adoptions, as there is no way to trace the receipt and disposition of jewelry.

Everyone is hoping that Ms. Johnson traded her baby. No one can fathom a mother killing her child.

http://cnmnewsnetwork.com/1747/missing-baby-gabriel-johnson-adoption-barter-theory-baby-traded-for-ring/

New help in the search for missing Baby Gabriel

AVONDALE, AZ -- A national children's organization is holding a fundraiser this weekend for the father of a missing Tempe boy.

Jessica's Law Now helped organize the event at Manny's Mexican Restaurant located at 12345 W. Indian School Road in Avondale Saturday and Sunday. 

The organization helps the families of missing and exploited children by connecting them with lawyers, investigators and contacts who can help in their search.  It also provides support so families, like Gabriel's father Logan McQueary, can investigate on their own, and aims at changing legislation that will better protect missing and exploited children.

Manny Lafarga, owner of Manny's, hopes to raise at least $5,000 to help support Logan McQuary as he searches for his son, 9-month-old Gabriel.

Money raised will support McQuary with hotel costs and travel as he continues searching for Gabriel.

Jessica's Law Now Executive Director Mark Palmer said McQueary's journey has been fruitful so far.

"They found a couple people who saw Elizabeth, they found witnesses," said Palmer. "They shared the information, they forwarded it to the authorities."

Gabriel went missing with his mother in late December. The boy's mother, Elizabeth was arrested in Florida; Gabriel was last seen in San Antonio, Texas on December 26.

Palmer said a new clue has surfaced in the investigation-- a $20,000 ring investigators found in Johnson's possession when she was caught.

McQueary's family is operating on the assumption that Gabriel is alive, and that the ring is evidence that Johnson may have sold Gabriel, since she was unemployed and did not have a lot of money when she took the baby to Texas.

"We were very surprised about the ring, and for us, it's telling us what we've always thought, that Gabriel is alive, that somebody has him," said McQueary's aunt, Kelli McQueary.

The development comes even as San Antonio police begin a mostly volunteer-run effort to dig through a landfill where Gabriel's body may have ended up more than two months ago.

San Antonio police said they could not begin the landfill search until the investigation was ruled a homicide.  Palmer said it is unacceptable that the landfill search took so long, and is trying to change legislation he sees as red tape.

"When you have a child missing, you need to use every avenue you have to find that child," he said. "Number two, there should not be any ruling that has to be ruled a homicide or this type of case, because it just prolongs what needs to be done."

Jessica's Law Now and the Kelli McQueary also said an Amber Alert should have been issued the minute investigators knew Johnson was headed to Texas with the baby, and say they are going to work on uniform legislation for Amber Alert requirements throughout the country.

Among fundraising items to be auctioned off is a football autographed by former Arizona Cardinals quarterback Kurt Warner. The cost for each ticket is $5.

Donations will be accepted and Manny's will donate 10 percent of their sales Saturday and Sunday. 

http://www.abc15.com/content/news/westvalley/avondale/story/New-help-in-the-search-for-missing-Baby-Gabriel/fXmock20R0qG-OnKfrmmZA.cspx

Jessica's Law Now Joins in Search

http://www.abc15.com/mediacenter/local.aspx?videoid=27227@knxv.dayport.com

Thanks for the updates Northern. I have been digging trying to find Jack's wife Suzanne. Have you found any info on her?.

Has there been any new news at all in baby Gabes case? Anything?

No not really  ::MonkeyNoNo:: Have no idea where they are in the investigation.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::  I was so hoping there would be some news by now. So sad, he is such a precious baby and obviously very loved by his daddy and family.

No clues yet on fate of Baby Gabriel; landfill search continues

The tedious process of searching through tons of buried garbage resumed Monday morning in the search for Gabriel Johnson.

Phase two of the search got under way last week at the Tessman Road landfill.

Police are searching though mounds of buried garbage in the hope of turning up any evidence that might lead them to the missing baby.

They've also been using cadaver dogs.

Little Gabriel was last seen with his mother here in San Antonio around Christmas.

Anyone with information should call this toll-free number: 1-800-THE-LOST.

http://www.kens5.com/news/No-clues-yet-on-fate-of-Baby-Gabriel-landfill-search-continues-84952132.html

We're under a winter storm watch here in central Texas so the search will most likely end up being delayed Tuesday and Wednesday.......

I can't get past this jewelry - I feel it holds a ton of clues but without it being in LE's hands I feel a huge opportunity has been lost!   ::MonkeyNoNo::

I agree Mission.

It is sad to see NO news on this poor child.  He should have been found by now. 

Gabriel, your father is trying his best to find you, hang in there little guy.

I wonder if Kimerer determined that charges against Tammi Smith were going to be hard to prove untrue. Then either asked for an extremely high additional retainer or just told the Smiths he wouldn't take the case. An Attorney does have a reputation to uphold.

Having a case with a defendent who has dug herself in so deep (according to the Tempe Police questionaire stating why the charges are valid, having a Grand Jury indictment, all the lies Tammi Smith provided to the media, etc.) Plus the fact she just can't keep her mouth shut. Wait until her case goes to trial and she has to answer most questions with a yes or no.

Then I wonder if Jack went looking for an attorney and met Amy L. Nguyen, born in Mesa, Arizona, on May 6, 1977, an almost 33 year old, pretty blonde. Wonder if Jack is thinking of other things? His wife gets prison for maybe 5, 8 years. Jack will get lonely. Don't know if the attorney is single but then again I don't think that would matter to Jack anyways. Jack has money, a new home,...

Just speculation about the new attorney.



 

HI all  ::MonkeyBike::  Is there any physical proof showing the value of the ring or is it just hearsay?

I did a search and found some nice rings but nothing near the 20,000.00 value, maybe someone told her it was worth that and she thought she was elling Gabriel for 20,000.00 worth of jewelry she may have been duped. Here is a link to vintage diamond and ruby rings, nothing over 10,000.00
http://isadoras.com/233/edwardian-ruby-diamond-ring/

I posted some links and one had a ring valued at that, maybe was missed....

here it is....

To my knowledge, gemstones of this quality do in fact have a number which is lasered on the stone itself.  I know for a fact that diamonds have such a number.  The registration or certification number is not visible to the naked eye nor does it diminish the clarity or brillance of the stone. The number would not appear on the shank of the ring as the shank would only have the metal of the band's number ie 18K etc.  For example, the diamonds surrounding the above example of a ruby and diamond ring would not have numbers on the diamonds as the total carat weight is .3
A gemologist can look at stones like the ruby and based upon color, etc. would probably be able to tell you where the stone came from, ie which mine.  If the ruby is for real, it probably has a number on it.

Thanks searching, I could not find a site with rings that expensive. I agree if she did receive a ring of that caliber, it would have some type of mark signifying its value. I have been away for a few days and just hopped into the conversation, so I apologize for not searching further. How does anyone know the value of the ring? Did she get it appraised? Did the police take it to a jewler? Who initially said it was worth 20,000.00? Logan said she did not have a ring like that when they were together. How does he know what it looks like and where is the ring now? The grandfather is saying he does not have it. This is all very confusing.

Thank you sister, I was just meaning there was no kind of number on the band part of the ring, but the info on the stones is good to know. I was not aware of that.

Jumping in to say if EJ's grandfather did pick up the ring from LE, let's see what (if anything) he does with it.  I've read here that he can't seem to find it.  Do we have a link to a direct quote from him or LE to that effect?  Did I miss a link to where LE states they released the ring to him?  Sorry, if you all have already covered this ground- I'm coming in a tad late on this.  TIA!

ISpy - I found this report on the ring

http://www.kens5.com/news/Baby-Gabriels-father-Expensive-ring-may-prove-son-is-alive-and-adopted-84694897.html

Thanks, Klaasend!  So, do we have any confirmation from LE yea or nay on the ring? Or have I missed that one too?

Side note, went to the P.O. today and saw an interesting poster in the Lobby (next to the waiting line).  "Missing Children aren't always hidden."  Wish there'd been a bulletin board of missing child pics to go along with that.  Quite a few people pass through P.O.'s every week...people from all walks of life who live in neighborhoods, work in communities, go shopping, see people.

'Nite all.  Have a good evening and God bless you.

So did EJ's grandfather ever go and retrieve her personal belongings after this phone call on Jan. 16th? 

http://www.kpho.com/news/22256806/detail.html

Good morning! I hope this day finds everyone healthy and happy. ::piggy::

I am still confused as to where and who the value of the ring came from.
quote: "The distraught father bases his belief on several clues he's dug up on his own. The most recent revelation is a $20,000 ruby and diamond ring. She reportedly had it in her pocket when she was arrested." The grandfather also claims in that article he does not have the ring.
How do they know what the ring looks like if it was given to the grandfather and now he cannot find it. Something is not right with all of this. Did the police take a picture of the ring? How many average people have a 20,000.00 dollar ring? If this was a payment for Gabriel these people have money and with money you can make it very difficult for Gabriel to be found. Is Elizabeth keeping quiet because she is being promised another large sum of money?

Expensive ring may prove Baby Gabriel is alive and adopted, father says

by Marvin Hurst / KENS 5

Posted on February 18, 2010 at 8:44 AM

Updated Thursday, Feb 18 at 12:36 PM
******

Logan McQueary does not put much stock in claims his son may be a murder victim.

Gabriel Johnson has been missing since late December when authorities said his mother, Elizabeth, brought him to San Antonio. The child has not been seen since.

San Antonio police launched a capital murder investigation in conjunction with the toddler's missing person case. In fact, they will begin sifting through the Tessman Road Landfill for evidence of his murder Thursday morning.

"I'm really not worried about it that much because I don't think Gabriel's there at all, " McQueary said.

The 25-year-old has searched from Arizona to San Antonio for his missing son.

The baby's mother reportedly wanted to put their child up for adoption. He allegedly disagreed.

Police said that evolved into the 23-year-old mother going on the run. She ended up in Miami without her son.

Johnson was arrested on child custody charges for skipping a hearing regarding Gabriel's custody. Investigators said she was not helpful in determining the child's whereabouts.

She alleged her son was given to a couple in a San Antonio park. But police have found no evidence that ever happened.

McQueary said she reportedly sent him an e-mail claiming she murdered their son, put him in a bag and threw him in a Dumpster before she left town.

That's why the authorities are searching an east-side landfill. The trash from the hotel where she stayed in San Antonio comes to the area they plan to sift for several days.

But Gabriel's father believes his son is the yield of an illegal adoption, not murder.

"It's looking like Elizabeth handed him off to somebody," he claimed. "I don't think Elizabeth did what she said. I think she just said that to hurt me."

The distraught father bases his belief on several clues he's dug up on his own. The most recent revelation is a $20,000 ruby and diamond ring. She reportedly had it in her pocket when she was arrested.

"Sometimes when they give the baby away for adoption they hand over jewelry to the mother,"  he said.

McQueary believes that unlike cash, the trail for pawned jewelry is more difficult to trace. He's still trying to figure out who gave her the ring.

The Arizona father said Elizabeth had low-paying jobs. In addition, McQueary said in the two years they lived together he never saw that ring.

The expensive piece of jewelry was allegedly handed over to Johnson's grandfather, Arizona authorities said. However, McQueary said the grandfather denies any knowledge of the ring.

"I'm gonna keep searching until they prove me wrong," he said. "Gabriel's still out there. He got handed off to somebody, and we're going to find him."

http://www.kens5.com/news/Baby-Gabriels-father-Expensive-ring-may-prove-son-is-alive-and-adopted-84694897.html#

Definitely conflicting because EJ's grandfather had knowledge of the ring according to the phone call EJ made to him in this article http://www.kpho.com/news/22256806/detail.html  Not sure what to think of all this.

Searching my friend, sorry if I came off sounding -- aargh what's the right word?  Me not know, not enough coffee.
I only learned about the laser numbers myself a couple of years ago.  Since I was a teenager, (long time ago), I have traded up on a couple of rings.  The last one was over a carat and had a laser number because of carat, clarity, etc. which is how I learned.  Done trading, finally have the stone I want and now I am so old I will leave it to one of my grand-neices in my will.  Teehee. 

Hi Sister, you sounded informative and I am thankful for the gained knowledge. I just wanted to clarify what I had meant about any type of marking on the band or shank part of the ring, since that was something I looked for in the closeup. I would not pay that much for a piece of jewelry ever, I can find better ways to spend my money  :) . I do love learning new things and every little piece of gained knowledge has the potential to help people at some point in their lives, so each lesson I learn, I cherish  :)

http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/85063427.html


Web Posted: 02/23/2010 1:01 CST
Search for missing Arizona infant postponed




A wintry mix of snow, sleet and rain caused the San Antonio Police Department to postpone the search for a missing Arizona infant in an East Side landfill Tuesday.

“They resumed the search this morning, but have since stopped due to inclement weather,” said spokeswoman Sandy Gutierrez.

If weather allows, authorities plan to continue to search the Tessman Road Landfill Wednesday for 9-month-old Gabriel Johnson, she said.

A 35-person search team, comprised of San Antonio police, federal agents and cadaver dogs, sifted through debris excavated from the landfill last week and looked for anything of evidentiary value, police said.

Meanwhile, police continued to search for Gabriel, the subject of a missing person case. Gabriel was last was seen in San Antonio the day after Christmas with his mother, Elizabeth Johnson, who was indicted in Arizona on charges of kidnapping, child abuse, custodial interference and conspiracy to commit custodial interference.

 ::MonkeyEek::    ::MonkeyNoNo::   ::MonkeyEek::

Phone call with with Tammi and Jack Smith
« on: February 22, 2010, 07:26:59 PM »Just got off the phone with Tammi and Jack Smith.  We talked for almost 2 hours and they had allot to say...much of which had not been reported by the media.  I think its important to hear the other side of this story, and would suggest everyone not jump to conclusions as I did.

The facts are the facts and the truth does not change.  They have agreed to answer questions here, as long as it pertains to finding Gabriel.

Brian

http://www.findgabriel.com/index.php/topic,129.0.html

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

http://www.findgabriel.com/index.php/topic,131.0/prev_next,prev.html#new

She advertised this morning on FB to go to the new site and as you can see from the other screen shot she is a mod there.  Something smells like a colon flushing tube that ruptures. 

the findgabriel.com website is through Godaddy by a woman who lives in Michigan.  Anyone recall if the Smith's have any connection to Michigan?

Gag me

Why do I recall Michigan something?  Was it the woman who posted she was going to adopt a baby named Gabriel?  I know she was in WI but why am I thinking she had ties to Michigan?

I thought MI came up as well but can not for the life of me remember why.  Hoping someone else knows. 

I hope so tooNR. I sent a message to Kelli McQueary to see if we can't get some kind of clarification on this ring - I will keep everyone posted when I hear back.

They can't control themselves, wonder what Tammi's lawyer thinks about this?

Good Evening Monkeys and Guest!

I can't remember anything about Michigan, But will search and see what I can find.

I can't find anything on the search here at SM. Course I might not be doing it right.

Hello everyone, Just checking in...Michigan sounds familiar to me as well. hmmmm can't recall though.

http://www.findgabriel.com/index.php/topic,131.0/prev_next,next.html#new

That last screen shot you did Northern.....Wasn't the poster asking about the library in SA? In Elizabeth's craiglist post she said she had internet when she was advertising for a roommate. Tammi just does not know how to sthu

Didn't Jack's former wife move to Michigan and I also believe that aunt of Tammi's that posts on her FB lives in Michigan. I think, don't bet the house on it. I'll try to find it.

Told you not to bet on it.

Jeannie R. Ulsh and Uncle Wayne live in Corning, NY.

Baby Gabriel's Dad Back In Texas

PHOENIX -- The San Antonio landfill search for missing baby Gabriel Johnson was temporarily halted Tuesday after snow started falling.

On Thursday, the search entered Phase No. 2, and authorities brought in cadaver dogs from across Texas to search for the baby, who was last seen with his mother, Elizabeth Johnson, the day after Christmas.

Gabriel's father, Logan McQueary, was also in San Antonio on Tuesday to continue his own search for his son. While in town, he met with Travis Andrews Warford, the former son-in-law of the couple -- Jack and Tammi Smith -- who wanted to adopt Gabriel.

Warford has said the Smiths "stole" his daughter, Hannah, from him by going to court and gaining custody without his knowledge.

http://www.kpho.com/news/22657942/detail.html

Thanks, that is very interesting, wonder what Tammi and Jack think of that?

Yes I think so Darla.  EJ did have internet in the trailer according to her Craigslist ad.  Tammi response is right up their with her giving out the wrong type of dogs EJ sold.  Full of snit! 

$400 room for rent (tempe)
Date: 2009-12-10, 8:09AM MST

hi i have a room for rent it has its own private bathroom. the community is directly across the street from az mills mall. rent is 400 a month no security deposit required. rent includes free utilities, cable, phone and i have internet here. call XXX-XXX-XXXX if interested.
http://phoenix.craigslist.org/evl/roo/1503595618.html

his former wife before Tammi lives in Nashville, the one before that I haven't found proof, but there is a Suzanne Smith in Tennessee also. Vicki Meadows lives in Ill . Not sure yet if there are any wives between Vicki and Suzanne...still digging on that one.

For got my manners....Good Afternoon Monkeys and Guest!

Edit: Fix quote.  MB

SusieQ, don't you have a paid subscription to a search site? Will you see if you can find a Suzanne Smith that was married to Jack before  May 1988?

Edit: Fix quote MB



Seahorse Travis didn't sign over his rights to Hannah. I have a timeline of what all happened but I do not have his permission to post it on the forum.

SuzieQ...is that you posting over on the Find Gabriel site? I have posted three questions and still no answer. lol

 ::HelloKitty:: Hi Darla,

I realize he didn't sign for the adoption. Why can't he get his daughter back?  Something doesn't smell right.

Seahorse...he doesn't have the money to fight Jack. Jack told him he would spend every dime he had to keep Hannah from Travis and Family.

And Jack and Tammi have the nerve to call themselves Christians  ::MonkeyNoNo::

Thanks for clearing it up Darla and NoRose. 

Darla, you and NR did a superb job of JS marriages, do you have the list, please?  ::MonkeyEek::

The S's wanted Hannah because of her good musical genes. I  have seen a photo of Hannah with a little violin, I'm so sorry
I didn't save the photo. The S's are ruthless, poor H.S. will never know how to play only musical studies. IMO.

I can see Tammi takes her Moderator status real serious - she hasn't been on there in days.....what a farce - maybe she doesn't need to answer questions and do what she can to find Gabriel because she knows where he is.  ::MonkeyNoNo::

k, I think I have a list of  wives for Jack Smith

1. Vicki Goodman Smith  haven't found the dates on this one yet.
2.  Suzanne ( no dates yet)
3. Robin Killen Smith 5/15/1988-5/22/2000
4. Tammi Peters Smith 2/14/2004


He was married to a Suzanne before marrying Robin......

This is what I have dug up on Jack. Between Vicki and Suzanne there could possibly be another wife.But have not found it yet

Thanks Seahorse....Anyone that wants to help me dig for dates on Vicki and Jack and Suzanne and Jack ...it would be much appreciated. I have scrolled through handwritten names until my eyes are crossed.

Well ...This didn't last long lol.

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Announcement - 2.24.2010
« on: February 24, 2010, 02:30:04 PM »
Hello Everyone  :)

Tammi and Jack Smith are most willing to answer questions here at FindGabriel.com in an effort to locate Gabriel.

As you are able to understand, Tammi and Jack have been placed in a difficult position.  They are very concerned about Gabriel and are willing to do everything they can to help locate him.

However, at this time, Tammi and Jack will not be answering any further questions without permission from their attorney.  I am sure you can all understand how difficult this situation is.  Please refrain from posting questions until further notice.

As soon as they are able, Tammi and Jack will be back here to answer questions. :)

Thank You,

Darla, I have tried and came up empty. Ancestry is great for finding your great-grandfather,etc., but is no good looking for living people.  Even if you could find a family tree, as long as the person is alive, it would just list them as Living Smith, etc.

No, it isn't me.

I am on Bring Home Gabriel Johnson 's FB page a lot. Someone posted pictures from the www.findGabriel.com. I look at the pictures. They were great pictures. Close up and clear. But I believe they have been released before. I made a comment about this being TS/JS's site. With my opinion of the Smiths. When I returned after making dinner the post was gone.
I don't know if anyone else made a comment about the post. I missed out on what happened.
I felt bad about getting upset that TS site being on Logan's and his family's page.

Also I noticed on the www.findGabriel.com there was a place to post about Logan. Have any of you read anything there? I really do not want to join it.

Belmom.....There is really nothing over there. They posted that Tammi and Jack would be answering question....Tammi posted 2 post all lies. There is nothing on any of the links they have but the admins. statement.

Hi Darla & Monkey's,

I was gleaning and I see

Tootie: (638)

Gabriel's father, Logan McQueary, was also in San Antonio on Tuesday to continue his own search for his son. While in town, he met with Travis Andrews Warford, the former son-in-law of the couple -- Jack and Tammi Smith -- who wanted to adopt Gabriel.

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?t=363844&page=16

ME: (I bet that was an interesting meeting.)

Thank-you, Darla.

The Random Acts of Kindness person is in the process of looking up Robert Johnson's,Sen., obit. or is in the stages of looking up obits for the requests she recieved.  I will search to see if TRAOK will also look up marriages.

Have you checked libraries yet? I know you have really been busy and successfully so with his marriages, maybe, that is why
the S's won't answer questions.. ::MonkeyHaHa::

The Latter Day Saints Church has little places to look up Microfilm or microfiche for information, problem is I believe we need to order the film through TLDSC which rents for six dollars or so.

Vickie Goodman would have married in her mom's church?  I looked up the church, Vestal Goodman sang in, she was also buried
in the same church, (I found VG church on findagrave.com.), I am thinking Jackie Don Smith and Vickie Goodman must have married in the hometown church and also married in the same town..I am going to follow that route..church. ::MonkeyAngel::

Christ Church Memorial Gardens
Nashville
Davidson County
Tennessee, USA

Vestal Freeman Goodman was buried and reportly sang at the same church. 
Her daughter Vickie Goodman may have married (guess) at this same church or county, my guess again.

http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GSln=goodman&GSfn=vestal&GSbyrel=in&GSdyrel=in&GSob=n&GRid=8215059&

This is Lit' Hannah Smith's, real great grandmother is the famous Vestal Goodman, not be confused with Vestal "Nicki" Smith.

I am rehashing for a reason in case Monkeys want to refresh the names...now that I confused this situation, hope not.

A note: 

Courthouses charge fees for look-ups.

If you are lucky maybe the County Clerk will look up a marriage record or a divorce, just to see if it exists, they won't tell

you the guts of the document, but, if they are busy doing nothing in a snow storm, maybe, they will look up a record for you.

I would think TG & JS (maybe) married a few months (more or less) than VS was born, JS was reportly 19 years old as a groom.

Hi Darla,

Maybe there is a clue here?


SMITH, JACK D 57   

LEBANON, TN
MOUNT JULIET, TN
MURFREESBORO, TN
NASHVILLE, TN
NOLENSVILLE, TN
OLD HICKORY, TN


SMITH, CYNTHIA DAWN (age 54)
SMITH, SUSAN L (age 67)
KILLEN, ROBIN M (age 55)


 ::MonkeyShovel::

http://www.usa-people-search.com/Results.aspx?view=PE

Looks like Tammi's internet fame is starting to die - if the attorney told her to shut up there is good reason - I still don't think the con artist realizes the seriousness of the crimes she has been charges with - I hope she goes down big time for what she has done to Gabriel and Logan.

Who is TG?     Did you read Vestal Goodman's bio.....She was addicted to drugs herself in the 70's.

I am sure she is missing being on TV and in the spotlight.  She can't shut up if her life depended on it. I don't think she realizes the trouble she is in either. And I sincerely hope she gets into even more.

Forgot my manners....Good morning Monkeys and Guest!

No, I didn't read her complete bio, thanks. 

Darla, who is J.S. sister, Susan? 

Cindy Smith... could she be an ex?

 ::MonkeyShovel::

Lebanon, TN
Nashville, TN
Old Hickory, TN
Nolensville, TN
Murfreesboro, TN
Mount Juliet, TN

Vestal Nicole Blank (Age 38)
Tammie Peters Facio (Age 37)
Robin M Killen (Age 55)
Charlotte I Smith (Age 48)
Christy F Smith
Cynthia Dawn Smith (Age 54)
Jeri Smith (Age 83)
Susan L Smith (Age 67)

Hi Monkeys,

Is Robin J.S.'s sister or ex-wifie?  TIA  ::MonkeyEek::

Robin M Killen (Age 55)

Associated Names:
Robin K Smith


 Nashville, TN
Murfreesboro, TN
Lebanon, TN
Mount Juliet, TN
Hermitage, TN

Vestal Nicole Blank (Age 38)
Carolyn Nelson Killen (Age 51)
Linda Gale Killen
Charlotte I Smith (Age 48)
Cynthia Dawn Smith (Age 54)
Garry Smith
Gary A Smith (Age 47)
Jack D Smith (Age 57)
Jeri Smith (Age 84) 

Christy F. Smith, wife or relative?

Christy F Smith  

Nolensville, TN

Jack D Smith (Age 57) 

 ::MonkeyShovel::

Cynthia Dawn Chandler (Age 42)

Associated Names:
Cindy Chandler
Cindy D England
Cynthia D England
Cynthia D Miller
Cynthia Dawn Smith Dickson, TN

White Bluff, TN
Bon Aqua, TN
Burns, TN
Charlotte, TN
 Grayson S Chandler
Grayson S Chandler (Age 39)
Mable L Chandler (Age 66)

Robin Baxter Chandler (Age 42)   Is this a wife?  Is 'Cynthia Dawn Smith Chandler' a relative, adopted daughter, wife?
 
Sheila Irene Chandler (Age 46)
Woodrow B Chandler
Cindy England
Cynthia England
Brian D Smith (Age 37) 

Search for Gabriel Johnson (video)

Police are also following new information on baby Gabriel Johnson after one of our viewers saw a story we aired last night. Today, the missing boy's father spoke to that viewer who hopes information he has will help find Gabriel. Yami Virgin has the story. Search for Gabriel Johnson

http://www.foxsanantonio.com/newsroom/top_stories/videos/vid_1345.shtml?

According to that video EJ was at  Guys & Dolls Hair Salon 10151 Culebra Road, San Antonio on Dec 22.

http://www.tneb.uscourts.gov/php/index.php

The US Bankruptcy court of Eastern District of TN

Monkey's,

Just gleaning...no news...just a neat link, I haven't quite figured out how to use it.  ::MonkeyEek::

Seahorse. Robin is a  wife of Jack. Suzanne Smith was a wife before Robin....Vicki was his first wife.
I have no idea about his sisters  ...I do know he has a brother name Gary.

Thanks, didn't know about Gary. 


How about a Juanita Smith?


http://register.shelby.tn.us/p4.php?nametype=2&indextype=BOTH&instrumenttype=ALL&searchtype=Pure%20Alpha%20Search&paname=SMITHJACKDJUANITA&lastname=SMITH+JACK+D+%26+JUANITA&firstname=&bdate=&edate=&itype=ALL&ethics


Last Name / Company Name SMITH JACK D & JUANITA
First Name 
Start Date All Dates
End Date All Dates

 Details Inst # Inst Code Grantor/Debtor Grantee/Secured Part Date Transfer Amount Mortgage Amount Street Number Street Name City State Zip Image
 INDEX KL9658 TRANSFER SHERRILL PAULA H ETAL
 SMITH JACK D & JUANITA
 09/07/2000 0.00 0.00           TIFF / PDF
 

http://www.docstoc.com/requests/Jackie%20Don%20Smith/

I don't know the secret to downloading documents, please, Monkey's, help, help. ::MonkeyEek:: Thank-you.

do you have the document pulled up?

I may have info on JS wives...uncomfirmed...


SMITH JACKIE D    CYNTHIA Y      MADISON   06-28-1985   20505  (possible marriage)



Question could Robin have another first name?  TIA.   ::MonkeyEek::

Lebanon, TN
Nashville, TN
Old Hickory, TN
Nolensville, TN
Murfreesboro, TN
Mount Juliet, TN

Vestal Nicole Blank (Age 38)
Tammie Peters Facio (Age 37)
Robin M Killen (Age 55)
Charlotte I Smith (Age 48)
Christy F Smith
Cynthia Dawn Smith (Age 54)
Jeri Smith (Age 83)
Susan L Smith (Age 67)

I see Cynthia has another middle name if this is a JS wifie, hymm.

Seahorse, Jack married Robin in 1988.....the wife before her was named Suzanne.This I know for a fact. If you start going into all the people listed on some of the sites you will get so confused it is unreal.

http://www.foxsanantonio.com/newsroom/top_stories/videos/vid_1345.shtml

Search for Gabriel Johnson
Police are also following new information on baby Gabriel Johnson after one of our viewers saw a story we aired last night. Today, the missing boy's father spoke to that viewer who hopes information he has will help find Gabriel. Yami Virgin has the story.

Video at the link above

http://www.foxsanantonio.com/newsroom/top_stories/videos/vid_1345.shtml

Search for Gabriel Johnson
Police are also following new information on baby Gabriel Johnson after one of our viewers saw a story we aired last night. Today, the missing boy's father spoke to that viewer who hopes information he has will help find Gabriel. Yami Virgin has the story.

Video at the link above

Hi Darla & Monkey's,

Thanks for the tip.

I am puzzled by Christy Smith, 38 years old, Nolensville, T.N.  J.S. also has the same location on one of his search engine site's. Christy Smith gave J.S. as a relative and Nolensville, T.N., as the location. As you know different searches have different
relatives and locations.  Could Christy be a son of JS?  ::MonkeyEek::

I believe his wifes may be listed on the relatives.
"Dawn" she may have another first name I read somewhere. ::MonkeyCool::


Jack D. Smith-Intelius 56 

Nashville, TN
Mount Juliet, TN
Murfreesboro, TN
Lebanon, TN

V Nicole Smith (Vestal)?
Cynthia D Smith
Dawn H Smith
Robin K Smith
Jackie D Smith
Warren M Smith
Carol Ann Smith
Claude C Smith
Grace J Smith 

Claude must be Dad?  His pop was a preacher so this may be him.

Claude C Reverend Smith 100 

Knoxville, TN
Nashville, TN
Powell, TN   


Grace J Smith
Jack D Smith
Charlene L Smith
David W Smith
Clarence E Smith 

Perhaps, VNS is in Illinois with mom?


Vestal Nicole Smith 37 

Collinsville, IL
Brentwood, TN
Murfreesboro, TN
Nashville, TN

www.intelius.com

 Vestal Nicole Blank (Age 38)

She must be living with her mom and kids in Illinois. HS would have no problem finding her true mom and grandmom.

Associated Names:
V Blank
Vestal Nicki Blank
Vestal N Smith
V Nicole Smith

Brentwood, TN
Nashville, TN
Nolensville, TN
Goodlettsville, TN
Collinsville, IL

John Douglas Blank (Age 40) (VNS ex-husband)?

Christie Forester (Age 47)

Vickie Hutchings (Age 54) (VNS mom)?

Robin M Killen (Age 55) (J.S. ex)?

Charlotte I Smith (Age 48)

Cynthia Dawn Smith (Age 54)

Gary Wayne Smith (Age 50) (J.S. brother)?

Jack D Smith (Age 57)

Jeri Smith (Age 84)  (J.S. mom)?

Interesting...........I question just how smart EJ is if she was on her cell phone saying she was going to stay on the run while getting her hair done.  That isn't real smart if you ask me.  And why did she go to that particular salon?

Edit:  Remove per SuzieQ.  MuffyBee

Edit:  Remove per SuzieQ.  MuffyBee

Klaas or mods. Can someone remove the last two posts. I am trying to post Nikki Blank's facebook page and it keeps posting mine. Also tell me how to post another facebook page without mine coming up. I don't remember it doing that before.

Done.  MuffyBee

Will forward your request for help to Klaas about the facebook pg.  Someone may come along and be able help you with it also.  MuffyBee

SuzieQ -  I don't know the answer.  When I find the facebook I'm looking for I usually take a screen cap and I don't remember having that same problem.  Maybe someone else will know better.

Hi SuzyQ

Thank-you for locating the mysterious Nikki Blank's facebook.  Could you, please, tell me which Nikki Blank is she?  How many
counting down on the Nikki Blank names..would be her? I wouldn't have thought she spelled her name Nikki, good thinking.

seahorse if you go to facebook and put in Nicole Smith Blank, I think she is the only one to come up. You will reconize her, Hanna looks just like her. I think the family called her Nikki.

A couple of her profile pictures. She apparently changed it today from the first one to the second.

(http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff15/sueann37/19933_1211768659172_1377431788_3048.jpg)

(http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff15/sueann37/25092_1215055541342_1377431788_3049.jpg)

Thank-you, SuzieQ,

I did type her name as you suggested and worked beautifully. I am surprised she guaduated from college.
Darla did mention she was in Arizona. I am a little startled that so much info is given on the internet, or the fact she has three daughters. Is she counting sweet lit' Hannah are her third daughter? NBS has two from her first husband 'Blank' and cutie pie HS from the second marriage?  ::MonkeyEek::

For future reference my very smart son told me how to grab a facebook page. Right click on the person's name in a posting and go to "copy shortcut" then you can paste the url you have copied. For example, NG facebook copied from mine is http://www.facebook.com/NancyGraceHLN?ref=nf

I read today that Janet Morris was in TX during the time frame that EJ was there. She was in Austin for some kind of pageant.

Now isn't that something. When was it Tammi was supposed to have called her?

Thanks, I'll try to remember that. I knew there was a way. ::MonkeyKiss::

Belmom, where did you read that, please?  Is there a link?  It's best to provide that if you can, and then we can determine if it's rumor or a fact.   Nothing wrong with rumors or discussion, but at this point, there is so much that's been talked about, it helps to be able to try to sort out fact from fiction.   If it's a rumor, that's okay, but should be noted as a rumor.    I know you only said you "read today", but then SuzieQ posted "Now isn't that something. When was it Tammi was supposed to have called her?"    We don't know if the "something" really happened or can be verified.  ::bee::

Good Evening Monkeys and Guest!

Seahorse I have been out all day.....I think Jack was born in Modesta California, and left home at 18 to go try out for the Happy Goodman family, so I am not sure if his parents were in Nashville. Jack has 2 sons and Nicki that  I am sure on. One of the boys is Jackie Don Jr. and have not found out the other one yet. Not sure if Jack had sisters but I do know he has a couple of brothers and one of them is named Gary.

Gary Smith is a musician and lives in Nashville...I have been working on something else and I haven't checked him out yet.

I read that over on Webslueths I think early this morning. Not sure what kind of proof they had, if any.

Thanks darla.   ::MonkeyKiss::   I was busy earlier and hadn't read over yonder today or I might have seen it.  It's just helpful imo if a poster will let us know where they read something and post a link if they have it.  It keeps things from getting any murkier then they already are in some cases.  JMHO

MuffyBee, I just remember seeing it today....they were running with it early this morning. There was a link to some of the pageant mothers discussing where to stay and someone to buddy with. I think the pageant was from Dec. 13-18. I don't know where they got the info of Janet Morris being there.

Thank you darla.   ::MonkeyKiss::

Hi SuzieQ & Monkeys,

Yes, thank-you for your response.  I believe Jackie Don Smith brother is Gary Wayne Smith, age 50, he may go by Wayne.
I am not that nosey  ::MonkeyDevil::  I just want to find how 'who is who' so I can elimate people. I did find Nicki or Nikki's
FB interesting. She is interested in men, good Lord, why not be interested in the three beautiful daughters?

I know there is at least one more brother but Travis didn't remember his name. Gary is suppose to be a pretty well known musician. I will try to help narrow down and find if he has any sisters. I am on daughter duty today, helping my Mom with some things, but will be on later tonight to keep digging.
Hope you guys are having a good weekend.

Forgot my Monkey manners: Good Afternoon Monkeys and Guest! ::MonkeyTongue:: :

 I am sorry - I read it on websleuth. I don't know how to do all the pasting and moving stories around. My daughter is going to teach me. But I should have had least said where I read it. I apologize.

I remember Tammi saying she put JM in touch with EJ. You know I really feel like a lot of cell phones should be checked.

Thanks for letting us know you read it at WS, Belmom.   ::MonkeyKiss::  You'll learn a lot by hanging with the monkeys.     ::rhino::   I learn something new almost every day here myself.  And I have a son that I look to for help, so I know what you're talkin' about.   ::piggy::

MUFFY! You found your  ::bee:: heheheheheheheheeeeee yahooooo, lol

Have a good day Darla - look forward to hearing what you learn from Kelli - I am still waiting to hear from her about the jewelry questions I messaged her about - I know she must be buried with emails and messages so I will wait patiently.   ::MonkeyAngel::

My bee had migrated, Nut.   ::MonkeyHaHa::

Hibernating because of the cold? I don't blame the bee. I want to hibernate as well.. I want spring!!

 ::MonkeyBike::  Good morning all... It has been awhile since I have posted and coming back to this thread I find there is hardly any news out there regarding Gabriel.  I know the family is searching and LE are searching but it has been too long. Obviously if a family does have Gabriel they are not stepping forward and it appears they won't until they are caught. I wonder if they have Elizabeth on medication as well as  getting some counseling. She needs to just talk!!! This has gone on long enough and the truth will eventually surface. I am not sure if Tammi Smith is involved but she certainly has put herself in the middle of all of this, and now she is back peddaling. I think she was the antecendent to Elizabeth leaving Arizona and she is a trouble maker and deceitful. I guess are only hope at this point is truth. I hope you all have a beautiful day.

I too, have been away from the threads for some time and am disappointed no real headway has been made in finding Gabriel.  I was hoping for something new......

http://tinyurl.com/yfdgbne

Allison Dubois shares insight on missing Arizona baby

Allison Dubois, well known Arizona medium, is scheduled to give her impressions about missing baby Gabriel Johnson, on CBS - channel 5, KPHO at 10:00 pm, this Tuesday evening. Dubois is the real-life medium that inspires the CBS television show, Medium, starring Patricia Arquette. Dubois gets psychic images that help her lead police to solve crimes in Arizona and elsewhere.

thanks Searching... that is interesting.

No problem, anytime, I thought it was very interesting. Waiting for the info that comes of it.

Today I listened to a radio psychic reading by a woman named Gail St John. Not sure of the name. She had JS/TS on this show. Feb. 23. They were to give a description of Gabriel. Mostly what they did was trash Logan. I could not listen to it all. I was shaking mad. Later some things hit me about the interview. So I have a few questions.

In the interview she said she was going to adopt a baby that was due to be born when EJ called her. So what happen to this birth mother and child? The baby was due around Dec. 8 or shortly there after. Where was this women from? I wish we could locate this person. I would love to know what TS said to her. Thanks but no thanks. Or was JM involved in this adoption. Tammi said we was "bonding" with this unborn baby. I kid you not.

I know this is really far out there but- Remember the baby "Gabriel" adopted in Wisconson? That baby was only three weeks old.  Would this baby TS was going to adopt have been that age around Jan. 1.

In the interview she said she was able track down EJ to San Antonio. She said she did not know where she was going.  But, did she post that EJ was going in the "underground"? She (TS) said she and Jack went to her home (EJ) and banged on the door. I thought she gave EJ the GPS. She must have know EJ was leaving town.

Every time I listen to this woman speak I think her story changes. Anyway if you want to waist 40 minutes of your bandwith  It was posted on Bring Home Gabriel Johnson.

OT Body of Chelsea King found.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=7233.msg1086221#msg1086221

Below is the interview of medium Allison Dubois.

www.kpho.com/video/22724208
 
Hope this works. It was so postive. I might become a believer yet.

No Sign Of Baby Gabriel In Landfill
'I'm Not Giving Up,' Gabriel's Father, Logan McQueary, Says

SAN ANTONIO, Texas -- Twelve days into the hand search of a San Antonio landfill, investigators have found nothing.

Watch: New Clues In Missing Baby Gabriel Case

San Antonio police have discovered no evidence of missing baby Gabriel and no sign of where he might be.

But where authorities have failed, Gabriel's father is given more hope that his boy is out there alive.

Logan McQueary continues to find witnesses that neither the police nor the FBI have questioned.

And while he says his ex-girlfriend, Elizabeth Johnson, was capable of murder, everything he discovers tells him that Gabriel is out there.

"Gabriel really was handed off to somebody," said McQueary.

Gabriel was last seen with Johnson the day after Christmas in San Antonio, Texas. Johnson sits in a Maricopa County jail on kidnapping charges.

One would expect the father of a missing child to have faith even facing the darkest odds, but McQueary is not grasping at straws.

"We found out that Elizabeth was at a Laundromat, and it was kind of weird the way she was there the first time," McQueary said. "Just kind of wandered around, didn't wash anything. She might have been meeting somebody, or might have been waiting for somebody to get there."

McQueary has talked to several witnesses who spotted and even talked to Johnson when she was in San Antonio; however, in most of those sightings, Gabriel wasn't with her.

"Either somebody was watching Gabriel, or , you know, I don't want to think about her leaving Gabe by himself, but she has done it in the past," said McQueary.

San Antonio investigators think Johnson went a step further, McQueary that all of their evidence points to murder.

But so far, they can't prove it.

Experts say San Antonio is known to be a haven for underground and illegal adoptions.

If Gabriel was handed off, he won't be easy to find.

"I think she really met with somebody and we're just trying to track that down," McQueary said. "We just haven't been able to figure out who she met with. If we could get one name of somebody she met with, that would be a huge lead. I still have a lot of confidence. We're still trying. I'm not giving up. I'm not going to give up at all. If it takes a long time from now, I'm not giving up."


http://www.kpho.com/news/22726725/detail.html

Allison DuBois: Baby Gabriel Will Be Found
'It's Ugly. It's Vindictive. It's This Case,' Medium Says

PHOENIX -- Baby Gabriel will be found, says renowned medium Allison DuBois.
Watch: Allison Dubois Gives Insight About Baby Gabriel Case
DuBois, whose psychic gifts form the basis for the hit CBS television series "Medium," sat down with CBS 5 News to share her impressions of the case surrounding missing baby Gabriel Johnson, who was last seen with his mother, Elizabeth Johnson, the day after Christmas in San Antonio, Texas.

Johnson sits in a Maricopa County jail on kidnapping charges relating to the case.

"I feel like (Gabriel will) be found," DuBois said. "It does feel like helicopters are already overhead; it's a place where they're looking."

In the 90-minute interview, DuBois called Johnson's trip to San Antonio a "power play."

"I think she did it because she wanted to hurt the father, like she said," DuBois said. "It's almost like Gabriel was a pawn … It makes me sick to look at him and feel that because kids can't defend themselves, especially babies like this."

DuBois said she used several methods to gain an understanding of the case.

"For instance, if I look at a picture of Gabriel, (the) first thing I look at is his eyes," she said. "That's my window into him. But because he's so young and can't communicate, it's very difficult for me to pull information from him."

What she couldn't read from Gabriel's picture, she read from a video of Johnson in court and the sound of her voice on tape, DuBois said.

DuBois also looked at the text messages Johnson sent to Gabriel's father, Logan McQueary, the day after the baby was last seen.

"I'm already boarding a plane out of the country," Johnson wrote in one of the messages. "When I'm safe, I'll e-mail you the exact location of dead Gabriel's little blue body, if the garbage don't come first."

"I just feel like when she said that, she was sending (McQueary) off on a wild goose chase and trying to hurt the father," DuBois said.

DuBois said she also believes McQueary played no part in what may have happened to his son.

"(Johnson is) trying to make her ex seem like he's a bad person -- which he is not," DuBois said. "The little boy's father was telling the truth and loved the son. I want to reiterate that … So I really feel for him."

Additionally, DuBois said she's convinced that Tammi Smith, the woman charged with custodial interference who claims she was going to adopt Gabriel, is enjoying the limelight and attention from the national exposure this case is getting.

Nevertheless, DuBois said she believes that Gabriel will be found "within the year."

"I really feel like the people working the case are going to make sure he's found," she said.

http://www.kpho.com/news/22727234/detail.html

That bothers me.. they are looking in the landfill.

My first thought too, Searching.  Seems that's the only place they'd have helicopters atm, unless they aren't sharing anywhere else they may be searching right now.  Sigh.  Unless what the medium is picking up is that 'clues' may be found in the landfill that may lead to another place that Gabriel may be found. 

I just wish that if someone has indeed illegally adopted Gabriel, (and they know that), they would just step forward with him.  LE could, if they haven't already, make it publically known that if someone steps forward with him, or info leading to him, that they will not be charged for whatever role they may have played in this.  Seems the fear of being charged and thrown in jail along with Gabe's mother, might be what is holding back whoever has him. 

(Although I feel they would deserve to be tossed in jail alongside the mother, it just seems to me that to bring them out into the open, and get Gabe safely back with his daddy, might mean promising whoever has him, no jail time.) 

(I posted this once already but got booted and don't think it posted.  If it has, sorry for the repeat)

I can't answer your questions off the top of my head, Belmom, perhaps other monkeys have that info handy.  I do remember reading discussions in here of these things earlier on in the case tho. 

Just wanted to say that in my opinion, (and that of many others), this woman.. Gail St John.. supposed psychic, is considered nothing but a fraud.  I suppose there are some who will disagree with that tho.  It's what I've come to feel about her after watching her involvement in several different cases.  Wouldn't give what she says the time of day.  And that she had JS/TS on a show, and didn't do much else but trash Logan, doesn't surprise me in the least. 

I suppose for me to say all that is a big step.  Cuz back when I was a brand-new monkey, I believed in Gail and her co-horts big time.  More seasoned monkeys kindly filled me in, and let me know who were considered frauds.  Being the stubborn monkey that I am, I didn't want to believe that at first.  lol  I snooped around and sat back and watched Gail and Brian, etc.  I didn't want to admit that the more seasoned monkeys were right.  Didn't want to believe it, cuz *it seemed* that Gail and Brian (from 'Brian's Dreams) were on the up and up.  But in time I realized they are not, they are frauds.   You can find out more on that by googling, and reading what others have found out and/or realized. 

The low-handed ways some folks have of inserting themselves into these cases are just despicable, in my opinion. 

Thanks for sharing this tho, it helps to know what some of these folks are up to.  My suggestion is to listen/read if you want, but keep an open mind as to who of these are being honest and who isn't.   ::MonkeyKiss::

Thanks for the link, Belmom.  I am a believer in Allison.  Am continually rivetted to the spot when she speaks of what she sees/feels.  Unless and until a more seasoned monkey has anything 'on her', lol, she's on the up and up with me.   Anyway, thanks for this link, it is interesting!  I like when the psychics (on the up and up) get specific in what they see/feel. 

::MonkeyBike::

http://www.youtube.com/v/xnhz1J1dlYU&hl=en_US&fs=1&color1=0x234900&color2=0x4e9e00&border=1

Does anyone know the name of the friend that Tammi asked to put her husband name on the court paper? I think the friend got angry with Tammi for asking such a thing.

Do we know for sure TS gave EJ the GPS?

What happen to the baby that TS was going to adopt?

Has EJ's brother been aloud to see EJ yet?

I still have hope that baby Gabriel will be found alive, but have serious doubts….I can’t get over this mother telling the father about Gabriel’s dead, blue body. It makes me think she may have drowned him. Also, if she gave him away to strangers as revenge against the father it would be counter productive to be locked away in jail as the result of that revenge. The whole purpose would have been to hurt the father, make a few bucks, live the beautiful life and not punish herself.  It seems that if a mother could give her child to strangers then she might also be capable of ending his life. So, if baby is still alive it would seem she would do anything to get out of jail, and that includes telling where he is. I’m afraid she hasn’t told because she did do away with him (shades of Casey Anthony). She seems to be one of those “that’s my story and I’m sticking to it even if I spend the rest of my life in jail” types. That mentality doesn’t equal revenge as she is paying for it by losing her freedom. Too bad water boarding is reserved only for terrorists…….

What is water boarding?  I would love to get my hands around her throat myself.  I cannot wait till she goes to general population.  One thing about most prison women, they bate baby killers!!!!!!!

had to correct my spelling!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

When EJ said, "little blue body", I immediately thought she put him in a freezer.  I don't know where that thought came from.  I guess just seeing these sick mommas doing sick things to their children.

Please light a candle for Gabriel.  ::MonkeyAngel::

http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=BGM

Police: Intensity has not declined in Gabriel search

Chief William McManus says the San Antonio Police Department has not pulled back any resources from their search for Baby Gabriel.

“We are pushing forward with this case as fervently as when we started. We have not pulled back one bit.” said McManus.

Police have searched through 1200 tons of landfill garbage and have 3000 tons left to search, but just because nothing has been found does not mean they have given up according to the chief who says they hope to find Gabriel alive, but will pursue the case until a conclusion is reached.

"Some people say the longer you are in law enforcement, the more callous you become and the less these cases affect you, I'm here to tell you I've been in this business for 35 years and the more I'm in it, the more it affects me."


http://www.kens5.com/news/Police-Intensity-has-not-declined-in-Gabriel-search-86435147.html

I haven't looked through the many pages regarding little Gabriel Johnson...so if I repeat something...sorry!

Before I found this group I forwarded some information to Nancy Grace...it may not be of great importance but anyhow...

When looking at Tammi Smiths myspace page and pics... and her husband...something felt OFF...She goes to other countries to perform cleanses...with other people...something just doesn't FEEL right when I look through it and also when I listen to her talk...Jack (I think is his name...I haven't looked through the stuff in awhile) but his page is FULL of porn stars and young women...it just FEELS OFF...has anyone else felt like this?

Hello Monkey's & Guest,

Misty said March 8 (tomorrow) she had a scheculed court date.  Do the Monkey's know why?  Thank-you.

wrong thread??

IMO they were far from fervently searching in the beginning...........wonder what is definition of fervent is?  ::MonkeyNoNo::

Hi ALL  ::HelloKitty::  Some interesting reading, it appears Tammi was married to two men at the same time as well as an exotic dancer. ::MonkeyEek::

http://www.eastvalleytribune.com/story/151556
When Tammi Smith and Elizabeth Johnson met for the first time in August at Boston’s Logan International Airport, Johnson no longer wanted to be a mother.

And Smith badly wanted to be a mother again.

That first meeting — as Smith approached the young mother while she was crying with her infant son, Gabriel — was the start of a relationship that has placed the pair at the center of a national search and criminal cases involving the missing child, who was last seen Dec. 26 at a San Antonio motel that authorities have said is a “purported” meeting place for underground adoptions.

Timeline of events

Smith, 37, of Scottsdale, and Johnson, 23, of Tempe, have troubled pasts, similar dysfunctional histories in their relationships and criminal records, according to police reports and court documents.

They are scheduled to appear for separate hearings in Maricopa County Superior Court on Tuesday , both on felony charges in connection with the missing child that Johnson initially said she killed but later claimed hat she had given to an unknown couple in the parking lot of a motel, according to Maricopa County Superior Court documents.

Johnson’s attorney, Vanessa Smith, who works for the Maricopa County Public Defender’s Office, has filed a motion with the court to ban any media coverage of the court proceedings, arguing that it would infringe on Johnson’s right to a fair trial and jeopardize her safety.

Repeated requests for interviews with Smith and her lawyer in recent weeks were declined. Requests for jailhouse interviews with Johnson also were denied.

For eight weeks, the Tribune has combed through police reports and court records from numerous jurisdictions across the country and conducted interviews with more than a dozen people related to the case and the pair’s pasts.

Together, the documents and interviews reveal the story of a troubled young mother eager to be free from her baby and a woman desperate for a second chance at motherhood.

Troubled pasts

Smith once worked as an exotic dancer in New Orleans, aspired to be a country music singer pursuing fortune and fame in Nashville, Tenn., and at one time was married to two men at the same time, according to police reports and court records.

In 2001, she paid to give her three children up for adoption to her ex-husband and his wife after a costly 2½-year custody battle, according to Smith and the second of her five husbands, Kieth Facio. More recently, Smith tried to adopt children from China and Africa, according to her MySpace page, which has since been blocked from public view and Facio.

“She’s trying to fill a gap,” said Facio, who lives with their three teenage children near New Orleans. “Tammi knows she screwed up with her own children and is trying to make up for it. She’s tried to adopt other children for several years, but it always falls through for some reason and she can’t. It’s likely because of her past.”

Johnson, meanwhile, grew up with her twin brother in five different foster homes before the age of 10 due to her drug-addicted mother drowning when Elizabeth was about 12 and her father dying of liver cancer in 2007, according to Johnson’s grandfather, Robert Johnson of Scottsdale.

Elizabeth Johnson graduated from a college preparatory high school in Boston with a 4.0 grade-point average and earned a full-ride scholarship to Southeastern University in New Hampshire — a $160,000 value — but walked away from it after two weeks because she didn’t like her roommate, her grandfather said.

Robert Johnson said his granddaughter has always been “secretive,” and when she was a teenager, she flew from Boston — where she was living with her grandmother — to California to sell her reproductive eggs for cash to someone she contacted on the Internet.

He does not believe his granddaughter killed her own baby, and he can’t understand why she won’t tell him where her baby is or help the authorities find Gabriel.

“She wanted to be a doctor or a lawyer,” Robert Johnson said. “She had the smarts. Now, her life is a hell of a mess. I’ve tried to tell her to cooperate with authorities and tell them what she did with Gabriel so she could get on with her life.”

A mother’s rage

In the last year alone, Johnson’s relationship with Gabriel’s father, Logan McQueary, was marked by her outbursts of rage as she destroyed three apartments by tearing up clothes and a couch with a large knife before demolishing a baby bed, smashing a television set and breaking windows, according to Tempe police reports.

When Gabriel would cry, McQueary said that Johnson would shout at him: “Shut that damn baby up!” according to a police report.

On Dec. 9, Johnson was arrested on suspicion of providing false information to law enforcement. She lied to authorities about where Gabriel was after she told Tempe police that McQueary kidnapped the baby.

Instead, Gabriel was at Smith’s residence, where police permitted the baby to stay after the Smiths showed officers a document in which Johnson had signed over temporary guardianship of the boy to the couple.

However, McQueary said he never supported giving up Gabriel for adoption, and the Smiths gave Gabriel back to Johnson on Dec. 18, the day Johnson left for San Antonio in the midst of a custody battle, according to court documents.

During another incident, police had to restrain Johnson in the back of the cruiser as she was slamming her head into windows of the vehicle, according to the police report. Authorities believed Elizabeth had a mental disorder, according to reports. But she was never diagnosed with anything and never received professional care, according to her grandfather.

Of the three apartments and the contents within them Johnson destroyed, one item that survived was a picture of her and her twin brother with their mother as young children, according to Johnson’s grandfather.

“You can’t measure the love between a mother and a child,” Robert Johnson said. “Although Elizabeth’s mother was a drug addict and had other problems, there was still that love between a mother and her child, and Elizabeth loved her mother.”

'Gut feeling’ Gabriel is alive

Since the beginning of the year, the story of “Baby Gabriel” has been in the national media spotlight as McQueary, of Gilbert, remains steadfast in finding his son. For reasons yet to be told, Johnson took Gabriel to San Antonio in late December in the midst of the custody battle.

On Dec. 27, Johnson told McQueary via text message that she killed Gabriel and, in a phone call later that day, told McQueary she stuffed Gabriel’s body in a diaper bag and threw him in a dumpster. But at the time of her arrest three days later at a hostel in Miami Beach, Fla., she told an FBI agent that she gave the boy away.

McQueary’s quest to find his son also includes the pro bono help of renowned private investigator Jay J. Armes, who said his “gut feeling” is that Gabriel is alive and the victim of an underground adoption that possibly has whisked the baby south of the border into Mexico.

The child has blond hair and blue eyes and would have turned 10 months old on March 3.

San Antonio police are conducting a missing persons case parallel to a homicide investigation, not knowing whether the child is alive or dead. More than 30 people currently are searching a section of a landfill to see if they can find anything in connection with the case. Witnesses at the motel also told authorities that they saw Johnson with a Hispanic male and that they appeared to be a couple. However, authorities have been unable to locate him, according to police.

In the ongoing investigation, authorities have compiled 1,575 pages of discovery and 52 CDs of recorded interviews, according to Maricopa County Superior Court documents. As the story of “Baby Gabriel” has played out on national television shows, the Web search engine “Google News” shows more than 1 million hits, mostly originating from media outlets throughout the Valley, according to Maricopa County Superior Court records. On the social networking site Facebook, five pages dedicated to the search for Gabriel have at least 14,000 members.

Smith is facing charges of forgery and conspiracy to commit custodial interference and is free on $15,000 bond. Smith and her husband, Jack, who were interested in adopting Gabriel, were named by Tempe police as persons of interest in the case because authorities believed the Smiths withheld information that could have led to the whereabouts of the boy.

Johnson has been charged with kidnapping, child abuse, custodial interference and conspiracy to commit custodial interference. She is being held in a Maricopa County jail on a $1.1 million cash bond.

The Smiths have maintained their innocence and have been adamant that all they tried to do was talk Johnson into returning to Arizona with the baby. They have never been suspects in the baby’s disappearance.

Desperation and deception

Investigators said it was Tammi Smith’s “desperate attempts” to adopt the child that hindered the investigation. Police allege that the Smiths had a plan in place to adopt Gabriel or were developing a plan to somehow pick up the child in Nashville, Tenn., and her contradictory statements to police and to the media led to her arrest. Jack Smith, a former pedal steel guitarist in the Grand Ole Opry’s House Band in Nashville and a former studio musician for country music singer “Whisperin’ Bill” Anderson, was cleared in the case.

Smith’s attempts to acquire custody of the boy included trying to persuade a Maricopa County Family Court judge into letting her adopt Gabriel as she told the judge during a recorded phone message that she believed Johnson would bring the child back to Arizona if she knew he would be “safe.”

Smith also researched the possibility of changing the jurisdiction of Johnson’s custody hearing and the possibility of adopting both a child and an adult so she could adopt Johnson and Gabriel in order to have custody of her child, according to court documents.

Smith also wrote the name of her first cousin, an ex-convict named Craig Cherry, as being a potential father to Gabriel on a paternity-test petition before she drove Johnson to the courthouse, according to court documents, which lead to the forgery charge against her.

In late 1996, Smith was arrested in another forgery case — for stealing checks from Facio and signing his name to them, according to St. Bernard Parish District Court documents in Louisiana. Smith was not authorized because her spending habits had put the family in financial straits before, according to a police report. The charges against Smith were later reduced to attempted theft, misdemeanors, and she was ordered to repay Facio $1,149 in restitution, according to court records.

“Hey, the money was mine, too,” Smith said in a brief telephone interview with the Tribune.

She claimed that the fourth man she married — Michael Edwyne Riddle — forced her into marrying him at the Davidson County Courthouse in Nashville on Nov. 30, 1998, according to court records. Smith said Riddle beat her so badly that she knew she was at the courthouse but didn’t realize she was getting married, the documents state. When Smith married Riddle, she became married to two men at the same time — Mikel Sikora of Phoenix was the other, according to court records.

When Sikora was contacted by the Tribune, he replied, “I think I’ll stay out of this one.”

Smith, who said she could not track down Riddle, had the marriage annulled in Maricopa County Superior Court in 2001, according to court records.

When Smith was asked by the Tribune about Riddle or if she has been in contact with him, she said, “Who’s Mike Riddle? And why would I want to contact him?”

During 2006 and 2007, Smith operated a colon-cleansing business in Nashville for 15 months without a license before the Tennessee Board of Medical Examiners ordered her to close and fined her, according to a document from the Tennessee Board of Medical Examiners.

Neglect and silence

Smith’s oldest daughter, Gabriele Victoria Facio, 19, recently wrote in a Facebook message to a Tribune reporter that she only considers Tammi her biological mother and not her “real mother.”

“She neglected us,” Gabriele Facio said. “She took us, sorta kidnapped us, right before I turned 6. After that, my dad had enough and divorced her. She wanted money and fame. She didn’t like working or taking care of children. It was never her thing. She wanted to make an album, be a country singer. That’s when she met Jack and left her guy.

“In the end, it was us or him. She chose him.”

Gabriele also said she helped raised her siblings.

“I remember being mom,” she said. “I helped my dad raise my brother and sister. I cared for them even when Tammi was around. She neglected us, didn’t always feed us, didn’t always change diapers. She spanked us for crying or doing something little. We were children.”

Although Smith does not express any regrets for giving up the rights to her children, she said, “I love my children very much and I always will.”

Robert Johnson isn’t sure if his granddaughter feels the same way about her child. He said he never heard Elizabeth express “any particular joy” in having Gabriel, and he said he never heard her say that she loved him.

Nearly three months after she fled Arizona with Gabriel, Elizabeth Johnson still refuses to reveal his whereabouts.

The longer the case continues without Johnson revealing where Gabriel is, concern increases that the case will have a “tragic outcome,” according to Dr. Erin Nelson, a forensic psychologist who has worked for Steven Pitt and Associates in Scottsdale on national cases such as the Columbine school shootings in Colorado, the rape allegations against Kobe Bryant and the Baseline Rapist case in Phoenix.

“It’s not an accident she’s keeping her mouth shut. Denial is a powerful psychological defense mechanism,” Nelson said. “But there can be a number of factors that can ultimately compel someone to cooperate.”

A “significant person,” Nelson said, might be able to get Elizabeth Johnson to talk. Or, she added, an attorney telling the young mother what she’s facing might prompt her to cooperate.

Johnson’s attorneys are urging her to remain quiet as part of their legal strategy. But her grandfather wants her to come clean — now.

“Tell them where the baby is and get on with it,” Robert Johnson said. “If the baby is alive and well, she’ll be able to get out of jail, but she seems content with staying there.

“I just don’t understand. I still don’t understand why she won’t say where that baby is

Newfie,

Thank-you.  This is interesting and mind-boggling, you can't make this stuff up!  We found she was married to two guys at the
same time, exotic dancer?  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Thank you Newfie - very interesting indeed.  Snipped from your post above;

Johnson, meanwhile, grew up with her twin brother in five different foster homes before the age of 10 due to her drug-addicted mother drowning when Elizabeth was about 12 and her father dying of liver cancer in 2007, according to Johnson’s grandfather, Robert Johnson of Scottsdale.

Robert Johnson said his granddaughter has always been “secretive,” and when she was a teenager, she flew from Boston — where she was living with her grandmother — to California to sell her reproductive eggs for cash to someone she contacted on the Internet.

So her mother was not murdered but rather drowned?  I wish they would have given more info such as the year and a name but that is interesting.

The other interesting thing is the that EJ was looking to sell her eggs??????  Hmmmm could that be how her and Tammi Smith met?  I am thinking that may be the connection - I have never been able to wrap my arms around the airport story.  Wow.
 
As far as Tammi goes I would not doubt for one minute she was an exotic dancer in NO may have to dig on that one a bit.  Tammi has a deep dark past IMO, she had absolutely no right to involve herself with EJ and Gabriel when her past speaks for itself, she is a hypocrite, a liar and a fraud. For her to desperately seek a child to adopt when she is not even allowed to do by law, considering she gave up her own children, speaks volumes to me, she would more than likely do whatever it took to get her hands on Gabriel, she hooked her wagon to a star and now the star is gone.  I hope this woman pays dearly for what she has done.  ::MonkeyNoNo::

I would feel safe to say Tammi was in for the money....not for the love of children...Jack is probably the one that wanted to adopt Hannah...jmo

Now I really wonder if EJ sold her embryos to Jennalee Ryan aka Jennifer Potter
and re connected with her to get Gabriel adopted.  I posted about her in the first thread

Jennalee Ryan aka Jennifer Potter

http://www.dallasobserver.com/2007-06-07/news/ringing-up-baby/

Jennalee Ryan, Abraham Center of Life, Jennalee Ryan CEO and Founder Abagails Silver Spoon Adoptions, Inc. Adoption Placement Service and the World’s First Donor Created Human Embryo Bank, Connected to James Webb Agent of the Adoption Center of Choice in Orem Utah!

http://babyselling.com/bryn/2008/01/14/jennalee-ryan-abraham-center-of-life-jennalee-ryan-ceo-and-founder-abagails-silver-spoon-adoptions-inc-adoption-placement-service-and-the-worlds-first-donor-created-human-embryo-bank/

ITA mymonkey and what a better way to be tied to his purse strings than through children - she is disgusting.

I remember that article very well, a good read. I think you are right - this could be the person she connected with because this woman also did a lot of adoptions out of Texas, in fact she worked across state lines because the laws were more lenient on various things ie adoption, stripping fathers of their parental rights etc.  I wonder if Logan and JJ Armes are aware of this woman???

El Paso's secret agent still on the job: Latest case focuses on 8-month-old Arizona boy

EL PASO -- Jay J. Armes, El Paso's controversial and flamboyant private investigator, is back in the spotlight -- just as he likes it.

This time he is trying to find out what happened to 8-month-old Gabriel Johnson of Tempe, Ariz., who was last seen on Dec. 26 in San Antonio with his mother, Elizabeth Johnson. The mother was arrested in Florida and extradited to Arizona, where she faces charges of kidnapping, child abuse and custodial interference.

The baby was not with her when she was arrested, so the boy's father, Logan McQueary of Tempe, hired Armes.

Armes, 77, said he took the case because he believes the baby is alive, was probably sold and is most likely in Mexico.

"The baby is still out there; I know that," Armes said. "I got so many agents working on it that I know we'll find him. I selected these agents myself. They are top-notch."

Among those helping Armes are Bill Dear, a private investigator from Dallas who ran for governor in last week's Democratic primary election, and the Pinkerton Detective Agency.

"When I'm on a case, I'm on it all-out and full-time," Armes said. "It's what I do."

It's that braggadocio, coupled with his limousine-riding lifestyle, that for five decades has made Armes one of the most well-known El Pasoans and one of the most scrutinized.

MORE....

http://**/ci_14527879?source=most_viewed

Elizabeth Johnson set to appear in court, but refusing to leave her cell

PHOENIX - A Tempe mother is back in court this morning to face charges stemming from the disappearance of her baby.

Police, along with the FBI, believe Elizabeth Johnson was the last person to see her son, 10-month-old Gabriel Johnson.

Elizabeth Johnson is facing a judge this morning for a pre-trial conference on a long list of charges related to baby Gabriel's disappearance.

It's been more than two months since Gabriel Johnson has been seen and while the search continues for the toddler, the court proceeding against his mother will move forward.

Johnson is being charged with kidnapping, child abuse and custodial interference.

She has entered a not guilty plea.

This all stems from the disappearance of her son back in December.

At one point she told the baby's father she killed their son and then turned around and told investigators she gave the little boy away to complete strangers in a San Antonio park.

Johnson is expected to physically be in court this morning, but reports have indicated she is refusing to leave her cell

http://www.azfamily.com/news/Elizabeth-Johnson-set-to-appear-in-court-but-refusing-to-leave-her-cell-87113417.html

** They don't have tazers in the jail?

Court is at 9:30 this morning.

No news if cameras are allowed in court

Court will go on with or without her there

Video http://www.azfamily.com/news/Elizabeth-Johnson-set-to-appear-in-court-but-refusing-to-leave-her-cell-87113417.html

If she is refusing, someone needs to drag her out of the cell and physically bring her, not just stand by the cell and beg her to go  ::MonkeyNoNo::

You would thing she would be jumping out of the cell for an opportunity to see her BFF Tammi again   ::MonkeyWink::

Private Investigator Believes Baby Gabriel is Alive (video)

http://www.kpho.com/video/22782404/index.html

According to that video JJ is in town to be at the hearing this morning then try to talk to EJ.  EJ's lawyer has said JJ will not get to talk to her. 

Baby Gabriel's Mom To Appear In Court
Private Investigator Jay J. Armes Says He's 'Optimistic' About Finding Gabriel

PHOENIX -- Elizabeth Johnson, the Valley mother suspected in the disappearance of baby Gabriel Johnson, is set to appear before a judge Tuesday morning.

Johnson has been charged with child abuse, kidnapping, attempted custodial interference and custodial interference in connection with Gabriel's disappearance.

Then-8-month-old Gabriel was last seen with Johnson in San Antonio, Texas, the day after Christmas.

Meanwhile, Logan McQueary, Gabriel's father, continues to search for his son with the help of a renowned El Paso private investigator who volunteered his services.

Private investigator Jay J. Armes, who arrived in Phoenix on Monday night, said he's received 186,000 tips in the past 22 days as to Gabriel's whereabouts.

Most haven't panned out; they traveled to Mexico to check out a lead only to learn it was an extortion attempt, Armes said.

"We have to check everything," he said. "That's why it's taken so long."

Nevertheless, Armes said he has people in San Antonio, and he said he still believes Gabriel is alive and either sold or adopted illegally. He said he has a few tips that might crack the case.

"We've got some real good information on the whereabouts (of Gabriel), but we've got to check it out before we say anything," he said. "I'm very optimistic."

http://www.kpho.com/news/22785043/detail.html

WOW....looks like EJ got away with not being in court today

 Elizabeth Johnson refused to be transported for the 9:30 hearing.
about 1 hours ago via TinyTwitter

   Judge Ryan ruled Elizabeth Johnson must be at next hearing on March 17 at 10:00. Can not refuse transport.
3 minutes ago via TinyTwitter

http://twitter.com/courtpio/status/10225728468

More from twitter

Elizabeth Johnson, charged w/ kidnapping has refused to come out of her jail cell to face a judge for her pretrial conference. More @ 9am   ::MonkeyNoNo::   ::MonkeyNoNo::

Maybe they will find a tazer yet or a straight jacket.  Oh I wish they were streaming this!


courtpio: Judge Tim Ryan to MCSO. -"Use any means necessary to get Elizabeth Johnson to Court."

http://twitter.com/courtpio

de ja vous........remember KC once refused to leave her cell and come to court and JS told the LE to get her ass there!   She was ordered to be there EVERY time there was a hearing related to her case. Damn that was a good day! 

I hope they drag her ass into court kicking and screaming! ::MonkeyDevil::

** they do in Missouri ::MonkeyWink::

 ::MonkeyGavel:: ::MonkeyGavel::

Surely the jail has a straight jacket , stun guns and a neck noose they can use for instances like this.  Wondering why Tammi did not go offer to talk to her as she is in court today as well. 

WOW....that is a shocker!  thanks NR

I am confused now as I do not know if the judge meant "use any means necessary" to get EJ to court today , or if that was for the March 17th court and they are proceeding without her today.  I wish there were some cameras in that court. 

thanks for the twitter updates...........I am confused (nothing new ::piggy::) but I wonder if this statement from the judge for NEXT time??  I hope it's for NOW!!!

join the confused line starting right behind the piggy and me  ::piggy::

I hope it is for today as well.  Would love to see Sherriff Joe dragging her arse into court!   ::CowboySmiley::   ::CowboySmiley::

Big Court day today , EJ, Tammy Enima Smith and JAG.  If EJ has set the tone the rest will be just as wild!

I hope it means for today - Wonder what her attorney thinks - great case huh?  Maybe we will get some info from JJ Armes if he was planning on being in court.  I cannot believe EJ would be so defiant with a judge - what happened to that 4.0 grade point average? ::MonkeyTongue::

Oh mercy!!! ::CowboySmiley:: ::CowboySmiley::

Here's another bad example of the judicial system, this makes me sick  ::MonkeyNoNo::

I agree No Rose - we have gone soft on criminals.  I like Northern Roses idea of a stun gun and a straight jacket.

Her actions of defiance with a judge tells me that there is no way she is going to tell anyone what she did with Gabriel. 

Yup.  Do what you want because no one can make you do anything is what we are seeing. 

Unfriggin believable!!!!!!!

Pre-Trial Conference for Elizabeth Johnson Delayed (video)

http://www.myfoxphoenix.com/dpp/news/local/phoenix/johnson_case_030910

From that video , the Judge is proceeding with her calendar , Judge has instructed to get EJ into court using whatever means necessary for today, and once EJ is in jail the Judge will change her calendar to hear her case.  I hope the Judge gives her other charges for this.

What??? I didn't know you could just say, "no thank you not today maybe tomorrow" when you have a court date? LOL drag her butt in their. So the judge is saying she has to appear today or is she postponing it? I am sure they will charge her with failing to appear or something.

Again, no surprise, another example. And I agree there is no way she is going to tell what she did with Gabriel  ::MonkeyNoNo::

I am afraid you are right Northern Rose and that breaks my heart.  ::MonkeyNoNo::

O M G WTH!!!!  How can this be? 

The Judge said that EJ WILL be in court today and will change her calendar to fit her in when she gets there.  I hope the Judge rips into her and her lawyer when she gets there.

Oh how I wish it would be shown live.   ::CowboySmiley::

Twitter

I will be on CNN @ 1130am talking about the Elizabeth Johnson case. Tune in
11 minutes ago via UberTwitter

http://twitter.com/JavierSoto3TV

Ohhhhh thank you for explaining it. I bet the judge is not going to be very happy with her

I would tell the beyotch "Listen, your hair and your right arm will be in court.  Whether the rest of you shows up is up to you."   ::MonkeyMad::

Mother of missing Tempe baby refuses to go to court

Elizabeth Johnson, the mother of missing baby Gabriel, refused to leave her jail cell for a court hearing Tuesday morning, prompting a Superior Court judge to demand authorities "use any means necessary to get her to court."

Maricopa County Superior Court Judge Timothy Ryan continued the pre-trial conference hearing to March 17, saying that Elizabeth Johnson needed to be present and called on Maricopa County Sheriff's Office deputies to ensure Johnson makes the appearance, said Karen Arra, a court spokeswoman.

Johnson's defense attorney refused to comment on the case.

Johnson, the Tempe mother of missing Gabriel Johnson, is at the center of the high-profile missing baby case. She left the state amid a custody battle with the boy's father last December and was last seen with the child in San Antonio. Gabriel was 8 months old when he disappeared.

Originally, Johnson told Gabriel's father that she had killed the baby and disposed of the body in the trash but later recanted, saying she gave the baby to an unidentified couple in a San Antonio park.

http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2010/03/09/20100309elizabeth-johnson-misses-court-abrk0209.html

 ::MonkeyConfused::  I no longer understand what is going on (not that I did in the first place).  One article says the judge will fit her in and to get her to court, next article says Judge stayed the court to March 17 and that EJ will be in court that day whether she wants to be or not   ::MonkeyConfused::

I think EJ won today. 

Gabriel's mother a no-show in court

PHOENIX -- The mother of a baby boy who vanished in December refused to leave her jail cell Tuesday for an appearance in Maricopa County Superior Court.

The judge told sheriff's deputies to use any means necessary to make sure Elizabeth Johnson is in court on March 17.

Johnson, 23, was scheduled for a pre-trial hearing on charges of child abuse, kidnapping and custodial interference.

Her son, Gabriel, has not been seen since Dec. 26 when he was eight months old. Johnson has told conflicting stories of what happened to him, at one time saying he is dead, at other times saying she gave him away or sold him.

Jay J. Armes, a private investigator hired by Gabriel's father, Logan McQuery, said outside of court Tuesday that he believes the child is still alive.

"We have had no sightings or any evidence that the baby is demised," Armes said. "I believe she sold her baby."

He said selling children is not uncommon and he believes Gabriel may be in the underground market.

"They go shopping for kids the way they go shopping at a supermarket -- blue eyes, green eyes, brown eyes, brown hair and all that. They go (sell) for from $50,000 to $150,000."

Armes said he's chasing down more than 100,000 tips.

"We've traveled to Mexico, we've spent so much time traveling," he said. "We've got to follow these leads, if we don't, we'll be headed into a stone wall."

He put the chances of finding Gabriel at 50-50.

Johnson and Gabriel were last seen at a motel near San Antonio, Texas, on Dec. 26. Gabriel has not been seen since. Johnson turned up in Miami and was returned to Phoenix Jan. 10. She is being held on $1.1 million bond.

http://ktar.com/?nid=6&sid=1272165

EJ won today.  Did not have to go to court if that last article is accurate.  I have no words about the court system right now. 

Nothing reported about what happened to Tammi in court today either.  Wonder if she got stayed to March 17th as well?

Mom of missing Arizona baby refuses to go to court

PHOENIX (AP) - The mother of an 8-month-old Arizona boy missing for more than two months refused to go to court Tuesday, delaying the case.

Maricopa County Superior Court Judge Timothy Ryan would have ruled on two motions had 23-year-old Elizabeth Johnson not refused to leave her Maricopa County jail cell.

Ryan rescheduled Tuesday's hearing for March 17, when he's expected to rule on a couple procedural matters.

Johnson's son Gabriel was 8 months old when he was last seen in late December in San Antonio, and police don't know whether he's alive.

Police say Johnson drove the boy to San Antonio from Tempe, stayed about a week, then took a bus to Florida without him. She was arrested Dec. 30 in Florida and is charged in Arizona with kidnapping, child abuse and custodial interference.

http://www.kold.com/Global/story.asp?S=12109850

NorthernRose,thanks for all the updates.   ::HelloKitty::

 WTF????????????????????

yes Thank you Northern Rose for all of the updates. I am becoming more baffled by our judicial system. I would have said either she shows up for court or I find her in contempt of court and throw her in the general population. Maybe then she will change her tune. I don't get it. Are the criminals calling the shots? There is a little baby boy named Gabriel at stake here. Someone in authority needs to throw some weight around.

I have words about the court system, tons of words, only problem is I have to keep those thoughts to myself. And if I didn't know better I would have thought that this happened in CA not Arizona. This coddling is just unbelievable.

On HLN right now they are saying that at 8:15 Judged asked where EJ was.  Judge waited till 9:30 then Judge said court would stay proceedings till March 17 and that they were to "use any means necessary" to get her into court for March 17th. Her lawyer was present and would not speak to media. 

Wow.  So you don't even have to listen to a judge .  Just wow!

Maybe they should let sheriff Joe Arpaio run the court system....He certainly isn't weak as these court officials seem to be.......Never heard of the inmate deciding not to attend a mandatory hearing. Even KC couldn't manage that one........

It is unbelievable that the person in jail can call the shots  ::MonkeyEek::

What kind of a message is this sending?!  Unbelieveable!  ::MonkeyMad::

Even Michael Jackson was hauled into court in his pj's.!!!!

If she doesnt comply then, she will be restrained & forcibly brought in, fine by me.   The only reason she is getting any leeway right now is they are praying she breaks & gives up what SHE did with Gabriel, I'm afraid a truthful account of that will never come from her mouth as if she knew this precious baby boy were still alive she would have done so by now, so sorry to say.

Mom of Missing Arizona Baby Refuses To Go To Court

Elizabeth Johnson has pleaded not guilty and has declined to be interviewed.

PHOENIX (AP) _ The mother of an 8-month-old Arizona boy missing for more than two months refused to go to court Tuesday, delaying the case.
   
Maricopa County Superior Court Judge Timothy Ryan would have ruled on two motions had Elizabeth Johnson, 23, not refused to leave her Maricopa County jail cell.
   
Ryan rescheduled Tuesday's hearing for March 17, telling sheriff's deputies to ``use any means necessary'' to get her there. Ryan is expected to rule on a couple of procedural matters at the hearing, including designating the case as complex so attorneys have more time to argue their cases.
   
Johnson's son, Gabriel, was 8 months old when he was last seen in late December in San Antonio, and police don't know whether he's alive.
   
Police said Johnson drove the boy to San Antonio from Tempe, stayed about a week, then took a bus to Florida without him. She was arrested Dec. 30 in Florida and is charged in Arizona with kidnapping, child abuse and custodial interference.
   
Johnson has pleaded not guilty and has declined to be interviewed. Her attorney, Vanessa Smith, declined to comment Tuesday.
   
Smith has requested the court proceedings to be closed to still and video cameras, saying that intense media scrutiny will jeopardize her client's safety and right to a fair trial.
   
``With the massive media coverage to date, it will be very difficult to find a fair and impartial panel of jurors,'' Smith wrote in a motion filed late last month.
   
Johnson has refused to say where the baby is but told Gabriel's father in text messages that she killed him and would e-mail him the location of ``dead Gabriel's little blue body, if the garbage don't come first.'' She also has said she gave the baby away to a couple in San Antonio, but police said she was vague in describing who they were.
   
For weeks, San Antonio police have been searching a landfill where they think Gabriel's body might be if he was killed, but they hadn't found anything as of Tuesday.
   
Tammi Smith, a north Scottsdale woman who wanted to adopt Gabriel from Johnson, also is charged in the case, although police said she was not connected to the boy's disappearance. Smith has pleaded not guilty to charges of felony forgery and conspiracy to commit custodial interference. Her next hearing is scheduled for April 5.

http://www.kfyi.com/cc-common/mainheadlines3.html?feed=118695&article=6858685&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

Baby Gabriel's Mom Refuses To Leave Cell
Private Investigator Jay J. Armes Says He's 'Optimistic' About Finding Gabriel

PHOENIX -- Attorneys for Elizabeth Johnson, the Valley mother suspected in the disappearance of baby Gabriel Johnson, appeared before a judge Tuesday morning.

According to court officials, Johnson refused to leave her cell to attend the hearing, which was scheduled to designate the case complex and to hear a motion to terminate council.

Johnson's presence was required for the motion to terminate council, so the hearing was rescheduled for March 17 at 10 a.m.

The judge told Johnson's attorneys that he is "going to ask that Maricopa County deputies use any means necessary to get (Johnson) here for the next scheduled court day."

Johnson has been charged with child abuse, kidnapping, attempted custodial interference and custodial interference in connection with Gabriel's disappearance.

Then-8-month-old Gabriel was last seen with Johnson in San Antonio, Texas, the day after Christmas.

Meanwhile, Logan McQueary, Gabriel's father, continues to search for his son with the help of a renowned El Paso private investigator who volunteered his services.

Private investigator Jay J. Armes, who arrived in Phoenix on Monday night, was in court during Johnson's hearing.

"I wanted to see her demeanor," Armes said. "We made arrangements to see her, but the two attorneys have rejected our pleas to see her."

Armes said he's received 186,000 tips in the past 22 days as to Gabriel's whereabouts.

Most haven't panned out; they traveled to Mexico to check out a lead only to learn it was an extortion attempt, Armes said.

"We have to check everything," he said. "That's why it's taken so long."

Nevertheless, Armes said he has people in San Antonio, and he said he still believes Gabriel is alive and either sold or adopted illegally. He said he has a few tips that might crack the case.

"We've got some real good information on the whereabouts (of Gabriel), but we've got to check it out before we say anything," he said. "I'm very optimistic."

http://www.kpho.com/news/22785043/detail.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

Yes she did and what a great injustice to little baby Gabriel, this makes me so angry and so sad.  ::MonkeyNoNo::

I'm shocked to say the least, I know they get prisoners up early in the morning if they have a court appearance, so they must have known she was refusing to go much earlier than 8:30. What I wonder is, did they all stand around confused for a couple of hours bemused by the fact she didn't want to go?, why didn't they just get a couple of burly guards to heft her under the arms and drag her kicking and screaming to court. Seems to me the Jail was the one who dropped the ball on this one, they were the ones with the obligation to make her appear before the judge.

She has got away with this $hit her whole life, she bullies people and throws tantrums and people are still letting her get away with it. Bind her gag her and wheel her into court in a wheelchair if that's what it takes, it seems to me a dose of reality may be more likely to get her to "spill" than soft handling. However I don't hold out much hope anything will make her talk. ::MonkeyCool::

Mom of Baby Gabriel refuses to go to court

PHOENIX (AP) — The mother of an 8-month-old Arizona boy missing for more than two months refused to go to court Tuesday, delaying the case.

Maricopa County Superior Court Judge Timothy Ryan would have ruled on two motions had 23-year-old Elizabeth Johnson not refused to leave her Maricopa County jail cell.

Ryan rescheduled Tuesday's hearing for March 17, when he's expected to rule on a couple procedural matters.

Johnson's son Gabriel was 8 months old when he was last seen in late December in San Antonio, and police don't know whether he's alive.

Police say Johnson drove the boy to San Antonio from Tempe, stayed about a week, then took a bus to Florida without him. She was arrested Dec. 30 in Florida and is charged in Arizona with kidnapping, child abuse and custodial interference.


http://www.woai.com/news/local/story/Mom-of-Baby-Gabriel-refuses-to-go-to-court/qj1a2r6ulUqf1O_iBPxWUw.cspx

Can someone who understands court descriptions please decipher this.  TIA

Filing Date Description Docket Date Filing Party
3/8/2010  DAR - Notice of Disclosure and Request for Disclosure - Party (001)  3/9/2010   
NOTE: 
3/8/2010  AOM - Allegation of Multiple Offenses Not Committed on the Same Occasion - Party (001)  3/9/2010   
NOTE: 
3/8/2010  ANP - Allegation of Aggravating Circumstances Other Than Prior Convictions - Party (001)  3/9/2010   
NOTE: 
3/5/2010  RTR - Return Receipt For Official Court Files/Transcripts/Exhibits - Party (002)  3/9/2010   
3/4/2010  094 - ME: Oral Argument Set - Party (001)  3/4/2010   
3/3/2010  MTR - Motion for Temporary Removal Of Court File/Transcripts/Exhibit - Party (002)  3/8/2010   

http://www.superiorcourt.maricopa.gov/docket/CriminalCourtCases/caseInfo.asp?caseNumber=CR2010-101760
3/3/2010  OFT - Order for Temporary Removal of Court File/Transcripts/Exhibits - Party (002)  3/8/2010   
3/3/2010  RRF - Release Receipt For Official Court Files/Transcripts/Exhibits - Party (002)  3/8/2010 

I find it disgusting that the guards at the jail did not put restraints on EJ and get her A.. to court!  Do they know what their job is?  Sounds to me like EJ is supervising the jail personnel.  When EJ refused to go to court, the officer should have used handcuffs and leg restraints on EJ and forced her into a wheel chair and then strapped her to the chair and wheeled her to court.  WHO'S RUNNING THE SHOW HERE????????

I EJ is not allowed out of her cell for anything until her next court date---Maybe a shower the day of court! ::MonkeyDevil::

Does anyone know what happened during Tammi's court appearance today?

Court Date Rescheduled (video)

http://www.kpho.com/video/22787931/

Wonder what's going on with this........


'Rift' In Team Searching For Baby Gabriel
Gabriel's Father Is Distancing Himself From Famed Private Investigator

SAN ANTONIO, Texas -- There seems to be a rift in the camp searching for baby Gabriel. The attorney for Gabriel's father, Logan McQueary, sent a statement Tuesday night, distancing Gabriel's family from private investigator Jay J. Armes. Armes arrived in Phoenix last Monday night to attend Elizabeth Johnson's court hearing Tuesday morning, but Johnson refused to leave her jail cell and fired her public defender. Now, McQueary's attorney Tim Maloney has released a statement that said, "Please be advised that Mr. Jay J. Armes is not authorized to speak on behalf of Mr. Logan McQueary. Mr. Armes has refused to return my client's property and continues to interfere with an ongoing police investigation." Maloney went on to write that the McQuearys appreciate the work Armes has done, but request he turn over any other information or evidence to the San Antonio Police Department.

http://www.kpho.com/news/22793056/detail.html

Good Morning Monks. ummmmm wonder what this is all about and FTLOG, she FIRED her PD???? She really is ballzy!!!

She is playing the system and so far it seems to be working for her.

Where in the name of god is little Gabriel?   ::MonkeyAngel::

This is rather interesting - it looks like 2 parties are involved - Party 001 and Party 002 - could it be Tammi and EJ's attorneys asking each other for info but the Allegation of Aggravating Circumstances is confusing.

::MonkeyEek:: EJ fires her public defender?  And what property would JJ and Logan be squabbling over?  I don't like the sounds of this - What about Gabriel he needs to be the center of focus and not in and amongst adults not being able to work together - I hope there is a reasonable explanation for this. 

Good Morning Monkeys!

I am just catching up before I have to take my Mom to the drs.

Someone was asking a few pages back about Tammi being an erotic dancer, she was also a call girl in Nashville. That is how she met Jack at a party at his brothers house.

I am working on some stuff that will out several people  in Gabriel's case that are not working to help find Gabriel. They have inserted themselves into this case and not for the right reasons.
As soon as I get it all verified, I will post it here for all to see.
Have a great day !

Thank you Darla - have a good day  ::MonkeyAngel::

Mission ....can you email me at smdarla@gmail.com. I need some help with something.

Wow thanks Darla. Hope all goes well with your mother's doctor visit  ::MonkeyAngel::

Wow Darla.  You're a hardworking Monkey!  I can't wait to see what you've found.  ::MonkeyShovel::

You have nanners Darla.

Hi Darla!  I can't wait!  Hope all goes well with your Mom's Dr. appt!!  TTYL

Everything is falling apart. What is going on? JJ is off the case. Plus another PI has just posted they are off the case. People are saying bad things about Logan's family.

Yesterday everything looked very promicing. But today everything has went to hell.

Part of me thinks this must be a distraction to throw the people who have Gabriel off guard.

I am so confused.
I am so sad.

Tammi must be loving this.

Hi Belmom - do you have a link to the other PI who posted that?  I am very sad too it does seem like it is all falling apart. This makes me very sad.

On FB page Bring Gabriel Johnson Home. Someone named Amy Williamson post that a PI named Bob Inzano of Diamondback Investgators is officially done with Logan McQueary?

I am just sick.  ::MonkeyNoNo::

Amy Williamson said something about a law suite.

I don't get anything that is happening.

What about the baby!

From - Bring Home Gabriel Johnson Facebook

Jay J Armes Letter
March 10, 2010 The Investigators were asked by a concerned citizen, and Mr. Logan McQueary, to conduct an independent investigation into the disappearance of the infant now known as “Baby Gabriel Johnson.” Because of the nat...ure of the case, and the lack of financial resources of Mr. Johnson, I agreed to undertake this case, “pro-bono” or free of charge. During the course of this investigation we have received countless tips and leads which we had to screen, evaluate, and pursue in an effort to determine if they were in fact credible. Needless to say, we have expended considerable time, expense, and resources both in the United States and in Mexico, all at no cost whatsoever to Mr. McQueary. As many of you already know, I was in Phoenix, AZ just yesterday for a scheduled court hearing on Elizabeth Johnson. From the inception, our sole focus has been on locating Baby Gabriel and/or in disclosing the facts surrounding his disappearance and the identities of the responsible party(s). As in all of our cases, our objective has been to utilize our considerable experience, resources and skills to develop credible leads which may then be turned over to law enforcement to act upon. We have never, at any time, withheld information from any law enforcement agency involved in this ongoing investigation. We have never been contacted by any of the law enforcement agencies that are involved in this case. We do not call Mr. McQueary on a daily basis to tell him that several more leads turned out to be false. To do so would not only be senseless, it would be a disservice to Mr. McQueary who is already in a desperate state. We do not call all of the involved Law Enforcement agencies to report that we have no tangible information for them yesterday. Instead, we work diligently and steadily towards our objective. Based upon our conversations with Mr. McQueary over the past two days, he advised us that he has retained legal representation in San Antonio. Yesterday, for reasons unknown to us, this firm Maloney and Campolo, L.L.P. , has released a press release to numerous news outlets. This press release contains statements which are blatantly false and misleading with respect to our involvement in this case. These false statements amount to libel. In this press release, an individual identifying himself as one “Tim Maloney” has falsely claimed that I, Jay J. Armes, has “…refused to return my clients property and continues to interfere with an ongoing police investigation…” During our initial interview with Logan McQueary, the documents in his possession were photocopied. Mr. McQueary took the original documents with him when he left our offices. On a subsequent visit to our offices in El Paso, Mr. McQueary brought us a few insignificant documents that he had retrieved from the trailer where he and Elizabeth Johnson had been evicted from. All relevant materials had already been seized by Law Enforcement via a search warrant. With this fact in mind, we have no “property,” belonging to Mr. McQueary. To the contrary, Mr. McQueary has property belonging to us. Furthermore, at no time has Mr. McQueary, his family, or his attorney requested any “property” from us. It was also stated that I was told repeatedly “…not to talk to the parties involved in this horrible trajedy.” First of all, this is simply not true. Second, no investigator can conduct a competent investigation without talking to the parties involved. No investigator would take on a case of this nature if they were told from the inception that they could not speak to anyone involved in the case. This statement is ludicrous. Based upon the false and slanderous statements made yesterday by Mr. Tim Maloney, we are currently considering taking legal action against him, and his law firm, to ensure that the truth comes to light. As of this date, and pursuant to the request of Mr. Maloney, we are hereby halting all activity in connection with this case. We would like to take this opportunity to thank all of the concerned individuals who have taken the time, and interest, to contact us with tips and information which they felt may have been of use to our investigation. We respectfully request that any future leads, or tips be directed to the San Antonio Police Department. Sincerely, Jay J. Armes Chief Investigator


2 hours ago · Participate

http://www.facebook.com/search/?q=bring+gabriel+home&init=quick#!/topic.php?uid=251236072296&topic=15586 (http://www.facebook.com/search/?q=bring+gabriel+home&init=quick#!/topic.php?uid=251236072296&topic=15586)

Thanks Northern - I just found it and was ready to post it myself  ::MonkeyCool::

(Note - Amy Williamson is the person who set up the Myspace for Gabriel and states on there she is a friend of the family)

From - Bring Home Gabriel Johnson Facebook

Amy Williamson
Bob Inzano of Diamondback Investigators is OFFICIALLY done with helping Logan McQueary. I am also. We are so sorry to say this. However, I think it very sad when people donate services and then are treated in this manner. We will turn over ALL of our tips and leads to law enforcement and simply walk away. This is NOT b...ased on the situation with J.J. Armes. This is because of how we have been treated seperate of J.J. Armes by the family when we tried to help.See More
about an hour ago ·

Amy Williamson
I would also like to say that I do not approve of how J.J. has been treated. If at any time it had been communicated to J.J. Armes the wishes of the family- he would have respected that. Instead the generosity of many has been spit upon. Not only that- I have been lied upon as has many others
about an hour ago

Amy Williamson
And beyond that- WE ARE SUPPOSED TO BE TRYING TO FIND A BABY. Unfortunately, the family feels it more important to trample upon their supporters. I am sad about this. I truly am. I can handle most anything- but I will not tolerate my good intentions or Bob INzano's or J.J. Armes being literally slandered and twisted into something ill.... LOGAN- focus on Gabe and not cutting the knees off of the legs of those who were willing to walk the distance with you....
God bless you all and I will be posting later this evening on My Space a formal goodbye. I am sad to leave you all as I so wanted to help. But when law suits are threatened and such horrid things said- well, I am afraid to help at all anymore. I pray for the family and I pray for Gabriel. I trust that God will help to find Gabe better than any of us ever could have...
about an hour ago

Please add the link back:

http://www.facebook.com/search/?q=bring+gabriel+home&init=quick#!/group.php?v=wall&ref=search&gid=251236072296 (http://www.facebook.com/search/?q=bring+gabriel+home&init=quick#!/group.php?v=wall&ref=search&gid=251236072296)

 ::MonkeyEek::  ::MonkeyNoNo::

Yeah sounds like a mess. 

This all makes me feel sick  ::MonkeyNoNo::

Sorry Klaas, I thought I had put it.  I am tired.

I can't help but wonder why Logan retained an attorney and gave up on JJ Armes?  I don't recall but did he have counsel before?

That's ok, there's been alot going on lately.  I'm tired too  ::MonkeyCool::

Tiffany Stemen Conley 

Well guys I'm sorry to say that I have it on EXCELLENT authority that our donations have been abused!!! All I can say is keep watching this story is a lot more sick and sordid than you can possibly imagine!!! Would love to share the very sordid details of whats going on in San Antonio but I don't wanna be the next one ...on the list to be sued!!! All I can say is PRAY, PRAY, PRAY for this baby he needs it, we may be the only ones who have this childs best interest at heart!!! I love you Gabriel!! I am so very sad for you at this moment, there are no words to express my level of disappointment!

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=251236072296

This was just posted

 Thanks Mission for bringing it over, I knew something was going on about 2 weeks ago but couldn't get the proof.

Hi, I was just checking facebook and was startled by a post by Logan. I screen saved what is on there of about the last 6 hours but I need to get to bed. I don't know what the heck is going on yet because it is quite long. Here is the post that caught my eye:
http://www.facebook.com/?ref=home#!/group.php?v=feed&story_fbid=369476912296&gid=251236072296  (http://www.facebook.com/?ref=home#!/group.php?v=feed&story_fbid=369476912296&gid=251236072296)

Dear MODS- Could you please delete the above Post #383. It isn't the correct file that I wanted to post for this case.  TIA ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::

Post #383

Done.  MB

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

http://blogs.phoenixnewtimes.com/valleyfever/2010/03/jay_j_armes_investigator_volun.php   (http://blogs.phoenixnewtimes.com/valleyfever/2010/03/jay_j_armes_investigator_volun.php)

Group Supports Mandatory Amber Alerts
Jessica's Law Now Involved In Search For Missing Baby Gabriel Johnson

PHOENIX -- A person close to the search for missing baby Gabriel Johnson plans to ask President Barack Obama to weigh in on the fact that an Amber Alert was not issued.

Gabriel was last seen with his mother, Elizabeth Johnson, in San Antonio, Texas, on the day after Christmas.

Johnson now sits in a Maricopa County jail on charges relating to her son's disappearance.

Mark Palmer, who is a member of Jessica's Law Now -- an organization that helps families of missing or exploited children -- said he will ask Obama to make Amber Alerts mandatory across the country.

"If it was in place, mandatory, baby Gabriel would not be in the situation he's in now," Palmer said. "Somer Thompson would be alive today, like a lot of other children."

Currently, Amber Alert standards and laws vary between states.

In Wednesday's news conference, Palmer also gave details on a fundraiser to help Gabriel's father, Logan McQueary, in his search.

The event starts at 6 p.m. at Manny's Mexican Restaurant in Avondale, and will feature karaoke and Valley group Hollow. The restaurant has agreed to donate 10 percent of its Saturday night sales, and the organizers will sell $5 raffle tickets Thursday through Saturday.

http://www.kpho.com/news/22808460/detail.html

 ::MonkeyBike:: Hi all.... Thanks for the updates, work has been busy so I have not gotten to post or read as much as I would like to. It saddens me to come on the site and see that nothing new is happening other than negativity from these other sites. I wonder who this Blake person is?  I feel that enough is enough , though I am just another blogger with an opinion. The law needs to get stricter with these people from Tammi to Elizabeth. This is frustrating and Gabriel is somewhere out there. I wonder who Elizabeths lawyer is? Elizabeth is throwing her childish temper tantrums and LE is obliging her. Now the PI'S are leaving the case, Logan is being bashed, Tammi continues living a facade, and Elizabeth refuses to show up in court.  ::MonkeyNoNo::

http://www.myspace.com/tammifay

http://www.myspace.com/jackiedonsmith

http://www.myspace.com/elizj86

I read somewhere that tammi's myspace page was down...just letting you know that it is up.  I put all three of the addresses up.  No one responded to my previous post about something odd about Tammi's business...maybe they are really big in this underground adoption and use it as a cover.  Gabrielle could be in another country...she has pics up of different places that she went to.  Personally, I believe that he is in Mexico. 

I agree No Rose!   What have we come to when the inmates are in charge?  My gosh, I'd be too freakin scared to pull half the stuff some inmates are being allowed to pull these days!  Seems to me that the line for 'inmates rights' has been crossed a longggggggg time ago.  Back to bread n butter and the chain gang.  Heh.  IMO. 

And also IMO, sheriff Joe Arpaio out in Arizona, with the tent city, pink underwear, striped uniforms and flip flops... he's got the right idea.  I kind of doubt many inmates would have the nerve to say 'no, i don't wanna', to him.   ::CowboySmiley::

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

She already refused, what's to make her think she won't get away with that again?  Geeeeezzzz.... 

out here in rural nebraska, we have lots of land, corn and cows.  stubborn cows, i might add.  cows that dun wanna go where the farmer wants em to go.  same with pigs.  so there's this lil thing called 'hog-tie', where the farmer gets the stubborn lil chits to go where they wouldn't go.  they just tie em down, pick em up and put them where they won't go. 

many LE officers have done the same thing in trying to get a bad guy/girl into the back of their cruiser when they resist arrest.  so why not hog-tie the lil princess and get her into court thatta way?   ::rhino::

 ::MonkeyShocked:: 

Nice work, judicial system.  Not!  They've just let her know that she's running the show.   ::MonkeyNoNo::

 ::MonkeyHaHa::    ::MonkeyDevil::     :smt046

I like your style, numbersgirl!! 

Yeppers, I think she won today too.  And on the 17th, she probably will refuse to go unless she has something green to wear.   ::MonkeyTongue::

Hmmmm.. sounds like some interesting stuff, Darla.  Will be waiting for this!  Thanks!

I don't understand what's going on in the sidelines of this case.  Seems more times than not, personalities (egos), and money, get in the way of finding the missing person, in this case, Gabe.   Since I don't understand what the prob is with this particular case, I probably shouldn't offer an opinion.  Just cannot help but wonder how so many supposedly dedicated folks can just walk away from a missing baby's case.  Wish I knew more about their reasons for that. 

My BFF Birthday Alert!! Tammy's birthday is today, send her a wish via facebook. ::MonkeyDevil::

Isn't "Erotic dancer" just another word for "Ecdysiast?"----stripper?

This is all very strange about Mr. Armes and it seems to be big trouble.  The problem is that with all of these adults fighting each other, they forget Gabriel.  God bless him.

I meant to say "Exotic dancer," but somehow it came out Erotic.  Not much difference, I guess.

I saw that when you posted, but decided like you did:  "not much difference"  ::MonkeyHaHa::

I have a hard time envisioning Tammi on a "pole" and stripping ::piggy::I wish we could see a picture of her during that time,Tammi looks much older to me than the age she is , maybe dancing was not kind to her ::piggy:: She does have some big tata's ::rhino::

Edit: Fix quotes.  MB

There will be a live news conference from Az shown on HLN soon. I'm staying tuned in. No details on what it is about. Hoping there is a break in the case and hope baby is safe, but who knows.

Sorry, from San Antonio

Search completed.No evidence found of homicide. Case remains open as missing person case.

I guess the no news is good news not in the landfill. I pray he is still alive and will be home soon. ::MonkeyAngel::

We can still hope.......

Thank-you for that update  ::MonkeyCool::

I am surprised they did not find the diaper bag.  Wonder what EJ did with that?

Landfill search for Baby Gabriel ends
Police confirmed that the landfill search for Baby Gabriel has been completed. No evidence was found. The baby's father, Logan McQuary, remains hopeful. His attorney said the results of the search were not unexpected. More details upcoming.


http://www.kens5.com/

Police: No Indication Baby Gabriel Was Murdered in SA

dropping homicide case, will handle disappearence as a missing person

San Antonio Police said today they are dropping the homicide investigation into the case of a missing Arizona boy after an exhaustive search of a southeast side landfill uncovered no evidence of the baby's remains, 1200 WOAI news reports.

  Police Chief William McManus said a month long search of the Tessman Road landfill has uncovered no sign of foul play.

The case was classified as a homicide so police could free up the staffing and resources to look for a body.   

McManus says with no evidence that Gabriel Johnson is dead, officers will resume treating the case as a missing person.

  Gabriel was eight month old when he was last seen with his mother, Elizabeth Johnson, at a Homegate Suites Hotel at Interstate 10 and Huebner Road on December 26, 2009.  Johnson had claimed she murdered the baby and threw his body into a dumpster at the hotel, and the area of the landfill searched was determined to be the place where garbage collected from that location at that time was deposited. 

Johnson has since recanted her story.  She is in jail in Arizona on charges of kidnapping and interfering with custodial rights. 

Johnson did not appear at a hearing in Tempe Arizona the week before Christmas at which she was to be informed that her parental rights were being severed.  Her actions since then have raised questions.

She appeared in san Antonio with the baby, then abandoned her car and got onto a bus for Miami without the toddler.  When she was arrested, the baby was not with her. 

She also claimed she 'gave' Gabriel to a couple she met at Raymond Russell Park along Interstate 10 on the far northwest side.

There also has been speculation that she may have 'sold' the baby, or dealt with an underground 'baby broker.' 

An Arizona woman who had expressed interest in adopting Gabriel is also facing charges in the case. 

http://radio.woai.com/cc-common/news/sections/newsarticle.html?feed=119078&article=6874047