Sandra Cantu #3 4/15/09 -4/27/09

[Tamikosmom]

O/T

AZSunny

I miss your input as well as your sweet tea on the Natalee Holloway forum.

Janet

Hi Janet, 

I have been reading there, but got drawn in here with this unthinkable case.    Working, lurking, reading, trying to comprehend. 

I will make some sweet tea for you and Magnolia and be over to NH later today. 

Hugs...

Hugs.

Janet

[Deenie]

Morning
I wanted to share I just found this -
http://www.kcra.com/news/19195800/detail.html

snipped =
TRACY, Calif. -- Thousands of people were expected Thursday to pack into a high school gym in Tracy for a public memorial for slain 8-year-old girl Sandra Renee Cantu.
The service, which a printed program is calling "A Celebration of Life," is intended to help local residents heal after weeks of heart-wrenching nationwide news coverage of the child's disappearance and slaying.

The memorial will be carried live at 1 p.m. on KCRA.com and KCRA 3.

That Is Pacific Time - 1 pm
Eastern Time - 4 pm

I believe this means it will be live streaming

[no rose colored glasses]

Good morning everyone. What a long day yesterday was. I have to admit that I had no idea child porn was so violent. When I read in that article the woman was arrested for having porn that contained infants being raped, screaming for their moms, well that took me completely by surprise and knocked me to the floor. I cannot handle that thought, not even a little. Is this what these movies are about? Ok stupid naive me believed they put the kids night-night and took posed pictures, not that, that is better but not as cruel I suppose. I absolutely, not even for a moment, believed the children are awake. Oh god that is so beyond anything that is even close to normal. To think I have 60 people in my town who are into this sort of thing, wth? Who are these people? I want to know so I can protect my children!

Yes the dear Sgt seems like a very nice man, but let me add this. This police force has known about this crime and they know  who these people are yet allow them to live among innocent children. The softball coach was arrested because a detective said he was around kids, well they all are for goodness sakes. In this town we have 10's of thousands of children living here. This police force will earn my respect and my appreciation when all 60 people are arrested and named. One child has been killed, enough already, enough!

I feel your anger, I agree with you all 60 people need to be arrested and named, I'm not grasping why they have not. I'm sorry that you read that article yesterday, I did too, I am aware of what is done to children actually following another case awhile ago. But I get very upset with what is being done to children as well as animals in these films, sometimes I just have to walk away from all of this, and get my attention away from all of this cruelty.

[no rose colored glasses]

commonly prescribed psychotropics

http://www.nami.org/Template.cfm?Section=Policymakers_Toolkit&Template=/ContentManagement/HTMLDisplay.cfm&ContentID=18971

Typical Antipsychotics      
Haldol (haloperidol)   
Loxitane (loxapine)   
Mellaril (thioridazine)   
Moban (molindone)
Navane (thiothixene)   
Prolixin (fluphenazine)   
Serentil (mesoridazine
Stelazine (trifluoperazine)
Thorazine (chlorpromazine)
Trilafon (perphenazine)

I understand this type of drugs in particular might cause bad reactions ... I am on an anti-depressant myself and tried one that made me feel very angry.

But as a possible defense .. I'm not going there. But it has been done before. Zoloft. Accutance -- to name a couple.

Oh, me too I was on two that made me feel violent inside, luckily I had family and I had a few brain cells to toss those pills in the trash. I was completely misdiagnosed and was given meds that were horrible. How many people in this country alone are given some of these powerful meds, and reactions happen. But, Melissa and her grandparents must have seen that things were not going well with medication that was prescribed to her, if this is what even happened. Just because grandma said she was on meds, I don't really believe what grandma says anyway. And if the defense is going to say that the meds, blah, blah, were a factor in all of this, I'm not going to buy it at all.

[k9ohana]

Good morning everyone. What a long day yesterday was. I have to admit that I had no idea child porn was so violent. When I read in that article the woman was arrested for having porn that contained infants being raped, screaming for their moms, well that took me completely by surprise and knocked me to the floor. I cannot handle that thought, not even a little. Is this what these movies are about? Ok stupid naive me believed they put the kids night-night and took posed pictures, not that, that is better but not as cruel I suppose. I absolutely, not even for a moment, believed the children are awake. Oh god that is so beyond anything that is even close to normal. To think I have 60 people in my town who are into this sort of thing, wth? Who are these people? I want to know so I can protect my children!

Yes the dear Sgt seems like a very nice man, but let me add this. This police force has known about this crime and they know  who these people are yet allow them to live among innocent children. The softball coach was arrested because a detective said he was around kids, well they all are for goodness sakes. In this town we have 10's of thousands of children living here. This police force will earn my respect and my appreciation when all 60 people are arrested and named. One child has been killed, enough already, enough!

I feel your anger, I agree with you all 60 people need to be arrested and named, I'm not grasping why they have not. I'm sorry that you read that article yesterday, I did too, I am aware of what is done to children actually following another case awhile ago. But I get very upset with what is being done to children as well as animals in these films, sometimes I just have to walk away from all of this, and get my attention away from all of this cruelty.

I read it too, then I took my 15 month old daughter in my arms and vowed to never let her leave the house again.
I knew there were sick people in the world but what I read yesterday went beyond...well just beyond anything I could ever have imagined.
As I lay awake in bed last night not able to get the thought out of my head. I gathered my daughter up out of her crib and held her while I cried into her baby soft hair. I cried for the children I could not keep safe, for the babies who want their mommies. Never in my life have I felt such pain as I have in these past couple of weeks.

What can we do? There are so many of us on here cant we band together and effect some kind of change? I know we are from all over the country but it is still one country right?  So many voices here, so many strong minds. There has to be something we can do. I am going to think on this and hug my kids some more.

[klaasend]

Morning
I wanted to share I just found this -
http://www.kcra.com/news/19195800/detail.html

snipped =
TRACY, Calif. -- Thousands of people were expected Thursday to pack into a high school gym in Tracy for a public memorial for slain 8-year-old girl Sandra Renee Cantu.
The service, which a printed program is calling "A Celebration of Life," is intended to help local residents heal after weeks of heart-wrenching nationwide news coverage of the child's disappearance and slaying.

The memorial will be carried live at 1 p.m. on KCRA.com and KCRA 3.

That Is Pacific Time - 1 pm
Eastern Time - 4 pm

I believe this means it will be live streaming

Yes it will be live streaming and I created a thread with a link to it for quick access 

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4869.0

[no rose colored glasses]

I have been reading Blink's articles and they are very informative. 

I am apalled at the "church clan".  Stating after the fact that they are concerned and praying for Sandra's family.  Where were they for 10 days before Sandra was found?  Where was their concern when Madison's "best friend" was missing?  Were they ministering and consoling that family in need?  Pleeeaasssseee give me a break!

Sorry but I just had to get that out!!!!!

And who is this church clan, Fred Williams is a member, but who are the other members of the church, maybe only family members to make up the handful of church goers?

no rose colored glasses.

The church?  I believe it is a front for dispicable activities.

Question:  What church does not update their website for eight years.

Answer:  A non-fuctioning church.

IMO

Janet

+++++++

ABOUT PASTOR LANE LAWLESS
http://www.clover-road-baptist-church.com/Pastor1.html

SUNDAY SCHOOL LESSONS
http://www.clover-road-baptist-church.com/SUNDAY_SCHOOL.htm


 

I so agree, and if I were just driving by that church, I would think that it was abandoned. I would like to hear from the people that go to that church, we only heard from Fred Williams.

[k9ohana]

Morning
I wanted to share I just found this -
http://www.kcra.com/news/19195800/detail.html

snipped =
TRACY, Calif. -- Thousands of people were expected Thursday to pack into a high school gym in Tracy for a public memorial for slain 8-year-old girl Sandra Renee Cantu.
The service, which a printed program is calling "A Celebration of Life," is intended to help local residents heal after weeks of heart-wrenching nationwide news coverage of the child's disappearance and slaying.

The memorial will be carried live at 1 p.m. on KCRA.com and KCRA 3.

That Is Pacific Time - 1 pm
Eastern Time - 4 pm

I believe this means it will be live streaming

Yes it will be live streaming and I created a thread with a link to it for quick access 

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4869.0

I think here they will actually be interrupting regularly scheduled programing like they did for the Oakland officers last week. Lots of public funerals in California this month.

[AZSunny]

Good morning everyone. What a long day yesterday was. I have to admit that I had no idea child porn was so violent. When I read in that article the woman was arrested for having porn that contained infants being raped, screaming for their moms, well that took me completely by surprise and knocked me to the floor. I cannot handle that thought, not even a little. Is this what these movies are about? Ok stupid naive me believed they put the kids night-night and took posed pictures, not that, that is better but not as cruel I suppose. I absolutely, not even for a moment, believed the children are awake. Oh god that is so beyond anything that is even close to normal. To think I have 60 people in my town who are into this sort of thing, wth? Who are these people? I want to know so I can protect my children!

Yes the dear Sgt seems like a very nice man, but let me add this. This police force has known about this crime and they know  who these people are yet allow them to live among innocent children. The softball coach was arrested because a detective said he was around kids, well they all are for goodness sakes. In this town we have 10's of thousands of children living here. This police force will earn my respect and my appreciation when all 60 people are arrested and named. One child has been killed, enough already, enough!

I feel your anger, I agree with you all 60 people need to be arrested and named, I'm not grasping why they have not. I'm sorry that you read that article yesterday, I did too, I am aware of what is done to children actually following another case awhile ago. But I get very upset with what is being done to children as well as animals in these films, sometimes I just have to walk away from all of this, and get my attention away from all of this cruelty.

It is not only the 60 that are known in Tracy  that we must share a concern about, but how many others that are unknown, and probably throughout the US.  Once they start investigating and arresting the original 60, and the FBI may already be in this process now, I think a much bigger kettle of fish will emerge.  The impact of this is huge.  I also read that article yesterday, and I was sick to my stomach.  I can't believe anyone would be so cruel as to do something like that to a baby, or child, and then profit from that sick experience through video taping it.  It makes me aware of a part of our society that is so sick and perverted that the thought of those people around us in our neighborhoods unknown, just seems to heighten my awareness of everything and everyone around me.  God be with us and help us fight this monster.

[JessStar]

Klaas, Traceygirl or Blink-I need to send you an email on a few things I found during a recent search of public documents and records.  I think you'll find the information interesting and very helpful.  I tried to send it to Klaas to the hotmail address he listed a few posts back, but it was bounced (is your mailbox full?). Anyway, Klaas, feel free to pass my email addy to Traceygirl and Blink. It's the email addy on my profile.

Thanks.

[Deenie]

I agree TracyGirl 100%

I have a Question for all Monkeys ... I tried to look it up but did not find much.

Forgive me - I do not attend a church so I am a bit ignorant about all of this.

The Church that Pastor Lawless Runs/Operates

Who Pays his Salary ?
Since its a private church ( I do not know for fact) wouldn't he rely on his parishioners to pay Tiding or " pass the plate" ... during services? so he would have in coming funds to support the church and his livelihood.

I know that churches 9 times out of 10 are Tax exempt.

I just don't understand if there is no real amount of people that attend this church ..where does he receive his money to survive?
If your tax exempt that would mean you would not pay into Social Security right??

Any body??

[klaasend]

Klaas, Traceygirl or Blink-I need to send you an email on a few things I found during a recent search of public documents and records.  I think you'll find the information interesting and very helpful.  I tried to send it to Klaas to the hotmail address he listed a few posts back, but it was bounced (is your mailbox full?). Anyway, Klaas, feel free to pass my email addy to Traceygirl and Blink. It's the email addy on my profile.

Thanks.

Might have misspelled it?  Happens all the time.

My email is smklaas@hotmail.com

I will forward to blink for you too.

[no rose colored glasses]

K9ohana...I hear what you are saying. I rant about this almost everyday, unfortunately this horrific acts and acts of a gunman going on a rampage, get coverage for awhile, everybody is shocked and horrified, and then that's that. Let's get back to discussing the economy, the bailout, unemployment, Mexican drug lords, etc. While all these topics are important, what I don't get is what is the point to fixing all this, if a country does not work towards helping and protecting the young from SO's and pornographers, sex trade, etc. I shake my head everyday over this. But like usual, we wait until everything gets completely out of control, and then try to do something.

[Tracygirl]

Good morning everyone. What a long day yesterday was. I have to admit that I had no idea child porn was so violent. When I read in that article the woman was arrested for having porn that contained infants being raped, screaming for their moms, well that took me completely by surprise and knocked me to the floor. I cannot handle that thought, not even a little. Is this what these movies are about? Ok stupid naive me believed they put the kids night-night and took posed pictures, not that, that is better but not as cruel I suppose. I absolutely, not even for a moment, believed the children are awake. Oh god that is so beyond anything that is even close to normal. To think I have 60 people in my town who are into this sort of thing, wth? Who are these people? I want to know so I can protect my children!

Yes the dear Sgt seems like a very nice man, but let me add this. This police force has known about this crime and they know  who these people are yet allow them to live among innocent children. The softball coach was arrested because a detective said he was around kids, well they all are for goodness sakes. In this town we have 10's of thousands of children living here. This police force will earn my respect and my appreciation when all 60 people are arrested and named. One child has been killed, enough already, enough!

I feel your anger, I agree with you all 60 people need to be arrested and named, I'm not grasping why they have not. I'm sorry that you read that article yesterday, I did too, I am aware of what is done to children actually following another case awhile ago. But I get very upset with what is being done to children as well as animals in these films, sometimes I just have to walk away from all of this, and get my attention away from all of this cruelty.

I read it too, then I took my 15 month old daughter in my arms and vowed to never let her leave the house again.
I knew there were sick people in the world but what I read yesterday went beyond...well just beyond anything I could ever have imagined.
As I lay awake in bed last night not able to get the thought out of my head. I gathered my daughter up out of her crib and held her while I cried into her baby soft hair. I cried for the children I could not keep safe, for the babies who want their mommies. Never in my life have I felt such pain as I have in these past couple of weeks.

What can we do? There are so many of us on here cant we band together and effect some kind of change? I know we are from all over the country but it is still one country right?  So many voices here, so many strong minds. There has to be something we can do. I am going to think on this and hug my kids some more.

I honestly believe if the parents in this area knew of how violent child porn can be, such as the details of that one, they would see this is too dangerous. the Tracy press likes to do stories that can be a little controversial,maybe they will agree to write about this? Maybe as a group we can write a letter to the editor? I really think awareness is needed for what this is all about.

[k9ohana]

Good morning everyone. What a long day yesterday was. I have to admit that I had no idea child porn was so violent. When I read in that article the woman was arrested for having porn that contained infants being raped, screaming for their moms, well that took me completely by surprise and knocked me to the floor. I cannot handle that thought, not even a little. Is this what these movies are about? Ok stupid naive me believed they put the kids night-night and took posed pictures, not that, that is better but not as cruel I suppose. I absolutely, not even for a moment, believed the children are awake. Oh god that is so beyond anything that is even close to normal. To think I have 60 people in my town who are into this sort of thing, wth? Who are these people? I want to know so I can protect my children!

Yes the dear Sgt seems like a very nice man, but let me add this. This police force has known about this crime and they know  who these people are yet allow them to live among innocent children. The softball coach was arrested because a detective said he was around kids, well they all are for goodness sakes. In this town we have 10's of thousands of children living here. This police force will earn my respect and my appreciation when all 60 people are arrested and named. One child has been killed, enough already, enough!

I feel your anger, I agree with you all 60 people need to be arrested and named, I'm not grasping why they have not. I'm sorry that you read that article yesterday, I did too, I am aware of what is done to children actually following another case awhile ago. But I get very upset with what is being done to children as well as animals in these films, sometimes I just have to walk away from all of this, and get my attention away from all of this cruelty.

I read it too, then I took my 15 month old daughter in my arms and vowed to never let her leave the house again.
I knew there were sick people in the world but what I read yesterday went beyond...well just beyond anything I could ever have imagined.
As I lay awake in bed last night not able to get the thought out of my head. I gathered my daughter up out of her crib and held her while I cried into her baby soft hair. I cried for the children I could not keep safe, for the babies who want their mommies. Never in my life have I felt such pain as I have in these past couple of weeks.

What can we do? There are so many of us on here cant we band together and effect some kind of change? I know we are from all over the country but it is still one country right?  So many voices here, so many strong minds. There has to be something we can do. I am going to think on this and hug my kids some more.

I honestly believe if the parents in this area knew of how violent child porn can be, such as the details of that one, they would see this is too dangerous. the Tracy press likes to do stories that can be a little controversial,maybe they will agree to write about this? Maybe as a group we can write a letter to the editor? I really think awareness is needed for what this is all about.

I am all for it, this is something as a group we can do together to effect some change.

[lady]

Amber Alert announces Cantu memorial fund
ShareThis
Bee Staff
Published: Wednesday, Apr. 15, 2009 - 3:24 pm

A memorial fund for Sandra Cantu, the Tracy girl who was kidnapped and killed, has been established by the Amber Alert Foundation in conjunction with Amber Alert GPS and Smart/i/tag. Donations can be dropped off at Umpqua Bank branches or mailed. Contributions should be made payable to: Sandra Cantu Memorial Fund, Account No. 991648908, Umpqua Bank, P.O.Box 1820, Roseburg, Ore., 94740.

http://www.sacbee.com/latest/story/1783412.html

This link doesnt work...Is it legit or no?

[FishstickKitty]

When I was an investigator for An OnLine dialup server. I saw alot of this porn and of course my job was to manage and report the incidents that either I found or were reported to our TOS department.
I can tell you that as late as 95 the Dallas FBI did not have the capabilities to do a simple traceroute. I've been able to do that since the 80's. At the isp I worked for, we had to do the research, often we were the ones even notifying law enforcement. The FBI is woefully behind in technology no matter what they say. There are no secret tracers of porno not on a digital service. Period. No one can track a picture of whatever I may or may not have stuffed under my mattress.

Thankfully for my self awareness I never saw violence in the pics we caught, but I can tell you I saw many sad and lonely faces. Things that stick with you are not the "positions" or what have you, but are the eyes and faces.

It is sooooooo incredibly easy to find child porn on the net. Simply go to any large irc network and you'll find tens of chat rooms with torrents and most likely these idiots call their rooms things like "daddylovesbaby" and stupid shit. They are not hiding, they are just not being caught.
What we need is more vigilante online people tracking this. Any given time on any given day I can located child porn being traded. Look at the people trading in it..they are not smart.

Good morning everyone. What a long day yesterday was. I have to admit that I had no idea child porn was so violent. When I read in that article the woman was arrested for having porn that contained infants being raped, screaming for their moms, well that took me completely by surprise and knocked me to the floor. I cannot handle that thought, not even a little. Is this what these movies are about? Ok stupid naive me believed they put the kids night-night and took posed pictures, not that, that is better but not as cruel I suppose. I absolutely, not even for a moment, believed the children are awake. Oh god that is so beyond anything that is even close to normal. To think I have 60 people in my town who are into this sort of thing, wth? Who are these people? I want to know so I can protect my children!

Yes the dear Sgt seems like a very nice man, but let me add this. This police force has known about this crime and they know  who these people are yet allow them to live among innocent children. The softball coach was arrested because a detective said he was around kids, well they all are for goodness sakes. In this town we have 10's of thousands of children living here. This police force will earn my respect and my appreciation when all 60 people are arrested and named. One child has been killed, enough already, enough!

I feel your anger, I agree with you all 60 people need to be arrested and named, I'm not grasping why they have not. I'm sorry that you read that article yesterday, I did too, I am aware of what is done to children actually following another case awhile ago. But I get very upset with what is being done to children as well as animals in these films, sometimes I just have to walk away from all of this, and get my attention away from all of this cruelty.

It is not only the 60 that are known in Tracy  that we must share a concern about, but how many others that are unknown, and probably throughout the US.  Once they start investigating and arresting the original 60, and the FBI may already be in this process now, I think a much bigger kettle of fish will emerge.  The impact of this is huge.  I also read that article yesterday, and I was sick to my stomach.  I can't believe anyone would be so cruel as to do something like that to a baby, or child, and then profit from that sick experience through video taping it.  It makes me aware of a part of our society that is so sick and perverted that the thought of those people around us in our neighborhoods unknown, just seems to heighten my awareness of everything and everyone around me.  God be with us and help us fight this monster.

[Deenie]

http://abcnews.go.com/US/Story?id=7287008&page=1
Snipped
Joani Hughes, the Lawless' daughter, told ABCNews.com today that all the media attention directed both at them and the church has exhausted her parents.
Her father has been the pastor of the Clover Road Baptist Church for about 30 years, she said, and their great-granddaughter was one of Sandra's playmates. Hughes said Sandra's death has been very hard on her parents and that they feel "devastated" for her family.

I don't understand where is all the People ?? that attend his Clover Road Church??

http://www.clover-road-baptist-church.com/Pastor1.html
Pastor Lane Lawless was saved in Wenatchee, Washington, In April of 1960.  He was baptized July 9, 1960 by the authority of the Eastside Missionary Baptist Church of East Wenatchee. Elder A.A. Harris administered the ordinance.  He was called to the ministry on April 6, 1971 and ordained August 20, 1971 by the Winton MBC.   
Pastor Lawless received his theological education from the Alisal Baptist Institute of Salinas and the Baptist Theological Seminary of Hayward. He also studied under the tutelage of Eld. A.A. Harris.
The churches Elder Lawless has pastored are Beacon MBC of Redding and Grace MBC of Gardena. In 1975, he was sent out by Salinas MBC to do mission work in Eureka. He then pastured Sovereign Grace MBC of Mountain View, and has been pastor at the Clover Road Baptist Church since 1981.
Pastor Lawless' wife, Connie, is the daughter of A.A. and Irene Harris. They were married by Eld. Harris on July 9, 1960 in Modesto, CA. They have three grown children Brian, Brett, and Joni, who are all involved in God's work, and nine beloved grandchildren

[Tamikosmom]

I agree TracyGirl 100%

I have a Question for all Monkeys ... I tried to look it up but did not find much.

Forgive me - I do not attend a church so I am a bit ignorant about all of this.

The Church that Pastor Lawless Runs/Operates

Who Pays his Salary ?
Since its a private church ( I do not know for fact) wouldn't he rely on his parishioners to pay Tiding or " pass the plate" ... during services? so he would have in coming funds to support the church and his livelihood.

I know that churches 9 times out of 10 are Tax exempt.

I just don't understand if there is no real amount of people that attend this church ..where does he receive his money to survive?
If your tax exempt that would mean you would not pay into Social Security right??

Any body??

In Canada .... only the property that the foundation of the church in built on is tax exempt.  However ... the definition of a church is so vague.

When the vehicles and an upscale home are considered ... it would be interesting to know where those persons of interest in this case derive their incomes.

Janet

+++++++


Sandra Cantu Murder: Melissa Huckaby Arrested
Saturday 11 April 2009 9:09 am

<snipped>

I will go out on a limb on this one and interpret that response for my readers, albeit subjectively, I admit.  You have a woman with a history of drug abuse, a juvenile record and current theft charges, who has been investigated for narcotics being found in a small girl, who was taken to a “park” in the evening for several hours . You have a town that is currently investigating 60 Sex Offenders, convicted of various assaults on children, and two recent high profile arrests of men within the school district accused of similar atrocities, awaiting trial. You have an 8 year old child abducted and murdered and I believe her pathology report will show drugs in her system. You have Fred Williams, a church member/caretaker with access to the church and shed who lies about a rummage sale, is seen on video dropping off the “letter to Sandra’s killer” at the memorial site , and lives in a 4,000 sq Ft. home worth over half a mill with extensive rap sheets for him and the Mrs. hanging on the fridge. Was that note to Mel to the Issa to keep quiet?

So.. the question becomes.. Why would she be drugged, for what purpose? I feel strongly this is the tip of the iceberg within Orchard Estates and the Clover Baptist Church.  On the comments section of my site, you will note their is a poster who claims Christian Sinclair and Huckaby are “dating.” You will also note that I received some comments from a person claiming to be Sinclair’s child. I checked them out, she is.  She posted that the Isuzu Trooper impounded by the FBI had been returned last week. She was correct, but what has not yet been, is his Cadillac, pictured here next to Huckaby’s KIA in the FBI Forensic Bay:

http://blinkoncrime.com/2009/04/11/sandra-cantu-murder-melissa-huckaby-arrested/

[no rose colored glasses]

FishstickKitty, I'm sure it is impossible for you to get the faces of the children out of your mind. And you are right, it is everywhere. There are busts that happen, but this is so massive, and so much money is involved, I'm thinking there just isn't the manpower and finances to fight this effectively.