Natalee Case Discussion #750 5/2 - 5/8/08

[Tamikosmom]

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Janet
9:20 PM

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JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY!!

BOYCOTT ARUBA!!

[texasmom]

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Janet
9:20 PM

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JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY!!

BOYCOTT ARUBA!!

Nite Janet. 

[friend of monkeys]

Sorry to hear Klaas is sick. Seriously maybe the dust from the renovation at her house?

Hi BB..I was thinking the same thing..She told me she could barely breath a few days ago

Yes, it is pretty easy to get a pneumonia, maybe that is what she has?from  the dust caused by demolition. A few days of  IV antibiotics should get her back here where she belongs. 

Thanks again San for the edit.

!

[friend of monkeys]

KLASS!!!

So sory to hear u are having pneumonia now.     

I have been there.

I almost died.     The antibiotics didn't work.  Tried them for 2 months.
I felt like I was ready to die...so sick and weak....
I really was bad...very sick...losing my voice, swelling in left leg...((BAD))
Called acupunture guy  a client reccomended.  he saw me next day..   when the session was done my  voice was 25%  ibetter..the swelling in my left leg went down overnight.......
That was in July....I have not been at all sick snce.......and going every 4 weeeks has kept me well.


Sorry 4 bein OT

Klass is worth it.

If you want a referral you know how to get me KLASS

[briany]

Barfdoll@RU

PAUL VAN DER SLOOT HAD TWO PERSONAL CONTACTS WITH NATALEE THE NIGHT SHE DISAPPEARED

ORANJESTAD(AAN) On the 13th of February 2007, the Superior Court dictated sentence against Paul van der Sloot in the case that he appealed with regards to the damages that his person as well as his family members asked for, seeing that in the Primary Court (Court of First Instance) Paul van der Sloot alone (no one else in his family) got a reward of 40,000 guilders for damages and 1500 guilders to cover the costs of the lawyers, court clerks, etc.

The sentence of the Superior Court fell like a bomb on Paul van der Sloot and his defence attorney because, according to the attorney, the Court made use of informations that do not agree with the truth.

The Court dictated that Paul van der Sloot fetched Joran and Natalee at the McDonald Palm Beach branch and took the two of them to the Holiday Inn, according to declarations by witnesses and also informations obtained from a phone tap carried out by the police.

Until recently, this key information was not known in the press and apparently only by the Police and Dept. of Justice.

The whole case of the disappearance of Natalee Holloway gets a different twist now that the information has come out from no less than the Superior Court, and in which mention is made of the declarations of witnesses and a phone tap that show or give an indication that Paul van der Sloot had on two occasions personal contact with Natalee during the night that she disappeared.

Mention is made that, according to one or more official reports of the phone tap and also the declaration of Paul van der Sloot himself, that Paul fetched Joran and Natalee at McDonald and took them to the Holiday Inn.

Based on this information, the judicial authorities and the police had at that time a justified basis to arrest Paul van der Sloot based on different suspicions.

According to the Superior Court, Paul van der Sloot himself is guilty, he made possible or caused (depends how every one interprets the grammar in the sentence of the Court’s) himself to be arrested and that Aruba cannot be held responsible for the damages that he suffered and for which he was demanding damages, which he won in First Instance, but appealed to get more, and now has lost everything.

In the sentence there are various points and aspects that brought a different view on the Natalee Holloway case and that in the coming days will be analyzed, but the most important information is the matter of fetching Natalee and Joran at the McDonald, Palm Beach, and also that Paul had on two occasions personal contacts with Natalee on the night that she disappeared.

The cardinal question now is: what did the police authorities hear on the tapped phone of Paul van der Sloot, and the next question is hotter still: at what time, under what circumstances, and where did Paul van der Sloot as the father of Joran van der Sloot have contacts with Natalee Holloway the night she disappeared?

If the Superior Court says that in the official report mention is made that Paul van der Sloot fetched Joran and Natalee on the aforementioned night at McDonald Palm Beach, that is the first contact, but where did the second contact take place?

On the night of the disappearance of Natalee Holloway, Paul van der Sloot met again with Natalee after he left Joran with Natalee at the Holiday Inn? If that is the case, then where and at what time did Natalee disappear that night?

In the declarations of Joran and the Kalpoe brothers there was a heated discussion amongst them, with formal denials as to whether they went with Natalee to the house of Paul van der Sloot on the night of her disappearance.

That’s why it is important to get clarity on the two occasions that Paul van der Sloot had personal contacts with Natalee on the night in question and where and under what circumstances they occurred.

On Sunday, May 29, 2005, around 16:30, I met Joran in the Excelsior casino of the Holiday Inn hotel. The moment I met Joran, I was in the company of my father called "Montival SANTOS". Joran was in the company of father named “Paul” that is when my father and I met them in the “Excelsior Casino”. On that day we played in a "Texas Hold 'em" poker Tournament. Joran was first to be eliminated from the tournament. I no longer remember at what time Joran lost. I saw that Joran then played "blackjack" and I continued playing poker. After I was eliminated from the poker game, I went over to Joran who was still sitting at the blackjack table. I no longer remember what time I left the poker table. When I stood beside Joran, I saw that there was a group of American students there, who were on holiday in Aruba. I saw that Joran helped one of the girls play blackjack. Joran told me that he was busy helping the girl with blackjack, because according to Joran she had lost much money. After Joran helped the girl, Joran and I walked around in the Excelsior casino. I saw the group of girls who were playing blackjack with Joran walk by, and I heard the girls say he should go to Carlos & Charlies later in the evening because they would like to meet him there. Joran told them not to worry, he would go.

In the declarations of Joran and the Kalpoe brothers there was a heated discussion amongst them, with formal denials as to whether they went with Natalee to the house of Paul van der Sloot on the night of her disappearance.

[briany]

Klaasend, hope you get well soon!

[sharon]

Jonathan45 at scrux  (I promise to quit reading around...lol...):


   
PostPosted: Fri May 02, 2008 2:45 pm    Post subject:    
The real update

On my desk lies a 'human' shin-bone in a box, a bone found in a pond not far from Montanja 19 by a friend during his visit to Aruba last month.
I don't know if if it's one of Natalees shin-bones, but it is a human bone.

To solve the missing of Natalee Holloway the ALE needs only a cadaver dog.

Today I will seal my lips too.

http://www.scrux.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=611&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=225


 

Thanks Buckeye!

Of course the original post was edited (as in all words were deleted  ) by the time I got to Scrux to check up on Jonathan45 -- who is one of my favorite posters. btw 


AVOID ARUBA AS IF YOUR LIFE DEPENDS ON IT....IT DOES
JUSTICE FOR NATALEE

[Jerry from Ohio]

  Sorry to be OT But I just found about Klaas and want her to know that
I have sent up smoke in her name and wish her the very best out come of her illness .
                   your friend in Ohio Jerry   

[Buckeye]

Jonathan45 at scrux  (I promise to quit reading around...lol...):


   
PostPosted: Fri May 02, 2008 2:45 pm    Post subject:    
The real update

On my desk lies a 'human' shin-bone in a box, a bone found in a pond not far from Montanja 19 by a friend during his visit to Aruba last month.
I don't know if if it's one of Natalees shin-bones, but it is a human bone.

To solve the missing of Natalee Holloway the ALE needs only a cadaver dog.

Today I will seal my lips too.

http://www.scrux.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=611&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=225


 

Thanks Buckeye!

Of course the original post was edited (as in all words were deleted  ) by the time I got to Scrux to check up on Jonathan45 -- who is one of my favorite posters. btw 


AVOID ARUBA AS IF YOUR LIFE DEPENDS ON IT....IT DOES
JUSTICE FOR NATALEE

I noticed that also.  We'll have to save it for Klaas....I think she likes him, too.

[Tamikosmom]

Apparently ... the following article is regarding Hans Mo giving credibity to psychics in the Natalee Holloway case.

I had speculated that Hans Mos and Rudy Croes were on the same page ... the page that states that truth encompassing the events of the morning when Natalee Holloway went missing should never be revealed.  I was right.

Janet

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za 03 mei 2008, 00:04 | 80 reacties
Paragnosten komen af op zaak-Holloway
 
ORANJESTAD -  Het Arubaanse Openbaar Ministerie neemt bij het oplossen van de zaak-Holloway ook de informatie van ervaren mediums serieus. Tot nu toe hebben zich al meer dan tien helderzienden gemeld die wel zeiden te weten hoe of waarheen de Amerikaanse Natalee Holloway in 2005 op Aruba verdween.

„Een van hen wist zeker dat het meisje nog leeft en in Venezuela woont”, verklaarde hoofdofficier van justitie Hans Mos. „Een ander dacht dat ze aan de oostzijde van het eiland begraven ligt. We trekken alle informatie over de zaak na, ook als het om tips gaat van mensen die zich als medium presenteren.”

Het gebruik van paragnosten bij politie en justitie is volgens Mos niet vreemd. „In Nederland wordt er ook gebruik gemaakt van waarzeggers. Wel heb ik begrepen dat er nog nooit echt een zaak door is opgelost.”

Het OM is nog niet van plan om het onderzoek in de zaak-Holloway af te ronden nu verdachte Joran van der Sloot 'de kat de bel heeft aangebonden'. Mos: „Door de uitzending van Peter R. de Vries is er een stroom van informatie op gang gekomen, en het is aan Van der Sloot zelf te wijten dat hij een zwengel aan de zaak gaf. Zoals hij steeds blijft doen in de media.”

http://www.telegraaf.nl/buitenland/3919996/_Paragnosten_op_zaak-Holloway__.html


Amigoe
January 17, 2008
Natalee abused by stepfather Jug

This time, the local media has paid plenty of attention to the story of Dan Young and Kelly Castillo.

ORANJESTAD — Minister Rudy Croes (MEP) of Justice is of the opinion that the findings of the two American investigators Daniel Young and Kelly Castillo in the disappearance case of Natalee Holloway, must be seriously considered. The two assert that Natalee’s stepfather Jug Twitty has abused and impregnated her and that her mother Beth knew about it. The two also say that Natalee had died from an overdose two weeks after the night on the beach with Joran van der Sloot when she disappeared. “Joran is innocent”, said the investigators.

<snipped>

Croes is of the opinion that now that the case against the suspects Joran and the brothers Deepak and Satish Kalpoe has brought no results, the Public Prosecution must also consider other scenarios. Castillo and Young’s findings must therefore be seriously investigated, said the minister. “After Beth has been in Oprah’s program, it will be good to tell the other side of the story.” Oprah Winfrey has spent some time on the Holiday-matter in her show yesterday.

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_38773.php

[SS]

On the night of the disappearance of Natalee Holloway, Paul van der Sloot met again with Natalee after he left Joran with Natalee at the Holiday Inn? If that is the case, then where and at what time did Natalee disappear that night?
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The answer is Natalee dissapeared right after her second contact with Paul Van Der Sloot,most likely at 4AM. She has never been heard from or seen ever again. Since Paul's friends(Corrupt Officials) are caught lying about blocking the search of the Van Der Sloot home for two years it is obvious Natalee was in that home.

I believe all the early rumors like PVDS being seen at Mcdonalds,ATM withdrawls and the reported phone calls will all be proven to be true. Now where did Joran catch the bus the next day from and who made and received the 6:30AM phone call? 

It make me wonder who really killed her.  Sometimes I say Joran and other times I say Paulus.  I lean more towards Joran and his violent temper but Paulus is never far away.  They are covering for Paulus not Joran.

San,

You have expressed my sentiments, exactly.  So much evidence points directly to Joran, so much evidence points directly to Paulus, and so much evidence points to a gang rape/video party.  Everytime that I think I have it straight in my head, more information emerges.  Where is our US government?  There is so much evidence of involvement in the kidnap, rape, and disappearance of Natalee and not a single person has been held accountable.  Our boycott has been great and I do honestly feel that there have been economic effects on Aruba.  Monkeys, what can we do to also put pressure on our own government and State Department?  I believe that they also know what happened.  Are there documents that we can have access to?  Are there people with whom we could meet?  Where would our letters be most effectively sent?

[briany]

Jonathan45 at scrux  (I promise to quit reading around...lol...):


   
PostPosted: Fri May 02, 2008 2:45 pm    Post subject:    
The real update

On my desk lies a 'human' shin-bone in a box, a bone found in a pond not far from Montanja 19 by a friend during his visit to Aruba last month.
I don't know if if it's one of Natalees shin-bones, but it is a human bone.

To solve the missing of Natalee Holloway the ALE needs only a cadaver dog.

Today I will seal my lips too.

http://www.scrux.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=611&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=225


 

Thanks Buckeye!

Of course the original post was edited (as in all words were deleted  ) by the time I got to Scrux to check up on Jonathan45 -- who is one of my favorite posters. btw 


AVOID ARUBA AS IF YOUR LIFE DEPENDS ON IT....IT DOES
JUSTICE FOR NATALEE

Thanks for letting us know about Jonathan. from Scrux.
I read this Jonathan45 thinks there are no shoes left on the beach at all.

Joran told in a Dutch interview that he specially told the police that he left his shoes on the beach. He said something like:
"why would I make myself more suspected by telling this to the police?".

Well, maybe because you want the police think that you were on the beach the night Natalee disappeared.

[briany]

http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=EeGg0gextFY

In this video Mrs. v.d. Sloot tells she thinks investigation is needed "on the other side".
She tells that for instance the keycard of Natalee's room was threee (three fingers up while telling),
times used the night Natalee disappeared.
Yes of course, there were fououour people sleeping in that room, so without Natalee that's threeeee.
She tells that looking at the reactions in the beginning one would think that the girl was run away.

Instead of taking her responsibility for her son, she tries to blame Natalee and her mother.

People who do things like this, I mean blaming the mother and suggesting things of a totally normal 18 year old student, must have a very good reason to do this.

As far as I have seen, all the sources from the rumours about Natalee and her mother come from Joran, his mother, Renee Gielen and the fortunetellers.

And that's what I find very suspicous.

[San]

http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=EeGg0gextFY

In this video Mrs. v.d. Sloot tells she thinks investigation is needed "on the other side".
She tells that for instance the keycard of Natalee's room was threee (three fingers up while telling),
times used the night Natalee disappeared.
Yes of course, there were fououour people sleeping in that room, so without Natalee that's threeeee.
She tells that looking at the reactions in the beginning one would think that the girl was run away.

Instead of taking her responsibility for her son, she tries to blame Natalee and her mother.

People who do things like this, I mean blaming the mother and suggesting things of a totally normal 18 year old student, must have a very good reason to do this.

As far as I have seen, all the sources from the rumours about Natalee and her mother come from Joran, his mother, Renee Gielen and the fortunetellers.

And that's what I find very suspicous.

And Julia Renfro.

[bleachedblack]

Oh San yoohoo sorry to make more work for you, but could you please edit in Missing Persons again for me? thanks in advance.......

Felicia Mikels  BODY FOUND

[Observer]

Oh San yoohoo sorry to make more work for you, but could you please edit in Missing Persons again for me? thanks in advance.......

Felicia Mikels  BODY FOUND

I got it BB  Hope we get a update soon on Klaas!!!!!! I had no idea she was that sick

[San]

Oh San yoohoo sorry to make more work for you, but could you please edit in Missing Persons again for me? thanks in advance.......

Felicia Mikels  BODY FOUND

Just saw your post but I see ******* got it.

[bleachedblack]

Ty both. Yes, I posted her a get well in the lounge.

[Tamikosmom]

RENE GIELEN/ANITA VAN DER SLOOT CONNECTION

Anita van der Sloot
Pauw & Witteman Show
January 11, 2008

Witteman: Do you think she’s dead?

Anita: I don't know, I have thought for a long time that she is alive, and there ahve been indications she is.  And those facts have to be investigated. Rene Gielen on Curacao is making a documentary, she has interviewed a lot a people, we know because she's in contact with us.  I really would like for the other side of the story to also be investigated.

http://www.hollowaycase.com/archive/media/jorandevries.htm

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2767.msg370253;topicseen#msg370253

[johan555]

Klaas !!!

Get well soon !!!!
Get well soon !!!!
Johan555