Caylee Marie Anthony #135 6/03/09 - 6/10/09

[Fanny Mae]

NoRose, Trimm, I left a message in musings. 

[crazybabyborg]

Good Afternoon Monkeys!

The youtube video just breaks my heart................

It's real. That's why it hurts so much...................

[numbersgirl]

Thanks, NoRose...it's the reality of situations that moves me forward.  If a situation is depicted accurately, and we are outraged by it, I think it propels us to do something.  If a situation is sensationalized, I think it tends to desensitize us, because every single thing is blown out of proportion and subconsciously we realize this and don't respond (kind of like the boy who cried wolf).   At least that's how my brain is wired 

[ISpy]

Evening, all!  Catching up a tad on the last thread and have a question for our more legal-savvy monkeys.  I'm wondering if the friendly FL State Trooper who intervened in the Anthonys-Milsteads chase checked Cindy or George's vehicle for said cross.  IMO, the 911 call Lois placed, as well as the proximity of all three parties on that stretch of road would have been grounds for a Just-Cause search of the vehicle (not too mention Milstead's lights-flashing or not-with regards to his previous arrest for impersonating an officer).  Were the Anthony vehicles checked?  If not, WHY?  I would be filing an official complaint if I were Lois.  If the vehicles were searched, was anything seized?  Again, no search-I would be filing a negligence complaint against the responding State Trooper.  If Cindy/George had the stolen cross in their possession, they should have been arrested for Possession of stolen property, as well as Trespassing.  I would have been pressing that officer to search their vehicles, had they nearly run me off the road and "cornered" me.  I also would have brought my video cam for surveillance.

Sorry to quote myself, but I wanted to throw this out there.  Do Lois and friends have any recourse against the State Trooper?  Had I been pursued, cornered, and sought out a Police Officer who pretty much advised me to go home, I think I'd either: call 911 again on the spot and demand a second officer respond and refuse to leave the scene; or take pictures of the Anthonys and Milsteads in their vehicles (as well as their license plates), call 911 again with a road rage incident, and request a police escort to the nearest Police station.  I've witnessed road rage firsthand and honestly, it is terribly scary.  Ours was a daytime incident between 2 cars on four lane road in afterschool traffic.  It would have been much worse on a two-lane residential road at night, with no streetlights (especially with the documented anger-management issues of Dennis Milstead and the Anthonys).  State Trooper or not, there's no way I would have gone home as directed.

[numbersgirl]

Hi Ispy, I don't know the answer to your question, but you've raised an interesting point.  Personally, I would be afraid to not follow a directive by LE...but that's just me.

[ISpy]

In discussing this further with someone else, according to Lois and friends, they had to jump the curb to get away when the Anthonys and Dennis Milstead hedged them in with their vehicles.  Did the officer actually go back to the scene and examine the road or curb for tire prints?  If not, WHY?  If I were Lois, I would have returned early the next morning and photographed (or in my case, video-ed) any tire tracks/prints/marks on the roadway and the curb.  Then I would have placed a call to the Police Station from the location if necessary, asking for an officer to document the evidence.  Maybe I'm pushy, I don't know.  But I wouldn't let the Anthonys & Milstead get away with calling me a liar. 

[ISpy]

Hi Ispy, I don't know the answer to your question, but you've raised an interesting point.  Personally, I would be afraid to not follow a directive by LE...but that's just me.

numbersgirl[/b-my mom worked with many officers and I've known several State Troopers.  I've also had to call a few officers for things (not us, honest) and I've always found that as long as you're respectful, they've been alright.  I'm not advocating mouthing off to an officer, but when you've been chased by another driver...that's road rage.  If a second officer has to come out, that first officer is under a little more pressure to do his job-to my way of thinking.

[Fanny Mae]

In discussing this further with someone else, according to Lois and friends, they had to jump the curb to get away when the Anthonys and Dennis Milstead hedged them in with their vehicles.  Did the officer actually go back to the scene and examine the road or curb for tire prints?  If not, WHY?  If I were Lois, I would have returned early the next morning and photographed (or in my case, video-ed) any tire tracks/prints/marks on the roadway and the curb.  Then I would have placed a call to the Police Station from the location if necessary, asking for an officer to document the evidence.  Maybe I'm pushy, I don't know.  But I wouldn't let the Anthonys & Milstead get away with calling me a liar. 

Ispy, I would be pushy myself in that incident. Knowing a little about how LE works, I would have gotten the Trooper's name, and then requested to see a supervisor. I would have also made another 911 call to OCSO and request that they send officers to the scene, and go back to where it happened. As long as the women were not drinking and had nothing else to impair them, at the least there should have been a report made on the scene. I know there is some controversy about Lois being involved, but if she and her friend had been pursued the way they said, they deserved to be treated with more respect. They may have been scared, shocked, and speechless at the troopers attitude, and were just glad to get the heck out of there. I don't really know any more than we all do at this point, but I think there is more to the story and I hope that the Anthonys and the Millsteads get what is coming to them. If history repeats itself, though, I have my doubts. We are seeing a disturbing pattern here.   

[ISpy]

numbersgirl-  sorry for the bolding!  Didn't mean to be yelling at you or anything...stupid keyboard!  My post had some weird flash notation I've never seen before and I thought it cleared it.  I am so sorry!   Can you tell I'm computer illiterate, here?

[Fanny Mae]

Hi Ispy, I don't know the answer to your question, but you've raised an interesting point.  Personally, I would be afraid to not follow a directive by LE...but that's just me.

numbersgirl[/b-my mom worked with many officers and I've known several State Troopers.  I've also had to call a few officers for things (not us, honest) and I've always found that as long as you're respectful, they've been alright.  I'm not advocating mouthing off to an officer, but when you've been chased by another driver...that's road rage.  If a second officer has to come out, that first officer is under a little more pressure to do his job-to my way of thinking.

Exactly! The trooper would have probably said his supervisor would have to come from a long way off, but I would have said, "Fine, I'll wait with you." That is another reason I would have called the OCSO and requested officers. jmo

[ISpy]

FannyMae- thanks for the post!  You obviously have more LE experience than I do and I've duly noted your much better way to handle that.  Thank you!   I hesitated to say anything against LE because I've always had great experiences here and found our guys and gals to be respectful, thorough, and very personable.

[ISpy]

Thanks for the input!  I have to run...my other life is calling and I have to answer it.  Have a good afternoon and happy sleuthing!  BBL

[numbersgirl]

numbersgirl-  sorry for the bolding!  Didn't mean to be yelling at you or anything...stupid keyboard!  My post had some weird flash notation I've never seen before and I thought it cleared it.  I am so sorry!   Can you tell I'm computer illiterate, here?

No problem, ISpy...and thanks for your thoughts in dealing with this kind of situation.   

[Fanny Mae]

FannyMae- thanks for the post!  You obviously have more LE experience than I do and I've duly noted your much better way to handle that.  Thank you!   I hesitated to say anything against LE because I've always had great experiences here and found our guys and gals to be respectful, thorough, and very personable.

 

I wasn't on the recieving end.... 

[no rose colored glasses]

Thanks, NoRose...it's the reality of situations that moves me forward.  If a situation is depicted accurately, and we are outraged by it, I think it propels us to do something.  If a situation is sensationalized, I think it tends to desensitize us, because every single thing is blown out of proportion and subconsciously we realize this and don't respond (kind of like the boy who cried wolf).   At least that's how my brain is wired 

I feel the same way. 

[no rose colored glasses]

In discussing this further with someone else, according to Lois and friends, they had to jump the curb to get away when the Anthonys and Dennis Milstead hedged them in with their vehicles.  Did the officer actually go back to the scene and examine the road or curb for tire prints?  If not, WHY?  If I were Lois, I would have returned early the next morning and photographed (or in my case, video-ed) any tire tracks/prints/marks on the roadway and the curb.  Then I would have placed a call to the Police Station from the location if necessary, asking for an officer to document the evidence.  Maybe I'm pushy, I don't know.  But I wouldn't let the Anthonys & Milstead get away with calling me a liar. 

Thanks, and jumping the curb, sometimes you can get damage to your car, I should know  . By hedging the ladies in like that, I'm not thinking clearly right now sorry, but what is the word for that? This has to be some kind of crime, at least I would think so. I would have been scared to death, but then I wouldn't have put myself in that position. But, watch they'll get away with this, and then what next is going to happen, when they get a wild hair to do some other escapade?

[trimmonthelake]

NoRose, Trimm, I left a message in musings. 

     Got it.

[no rose colored glasses]

Hi Ispy, I don't know the answer to your question, but you've raised an interesting point.  Personally, I would be afraid to not follow a directive by LE...but that's just me.

numbersgirl[/b-my mom worked with many officers and I've known several State Troopers.  I've also had to call a few officers for things (not us, honest) and I've always found that as long as you're respectful, they've been alright.  I'm not advocating mouthing off to an officer, but when you've been chased by another driver...that's road rage.  If a second officer has to come out, that first officer is under a little more pressure to do his job-to my way of thinking.

Road rage, yes that is exactly what that is. I've been a part of road rage, because I was going to slow  for this person, and I was scared to death to make eye contact.

[no rose colored glasses]

NoRose, Trimm, I left a message in musings. 

     Got it.

Me too 

[Cappuccino]

sorry if i upset you Capp

Sweetie, you did not upset me by posting the video in the least - Ive been seeing this and worse for decades, its just sometimes it gets to ya more days than others regardless of anyone's frequency of exposure or sensitivity level.   Trust me when I tell you, I'm far from weak or naive to the actual reality of child abuse, sexual assault & murder.  That being said, I have a heart & certain days it aches more so than others, today is one of those days.

My upset & outrage is that it keeps happening, actually on a significant increase yet all too often the victim is put to the side or forgotten (not here blessed be) and all we hear in these cases is all about the defendant, their excuses & rights.  On a personal note Im here, along with many that share similar life adversities that can attest to the fact that there is NO excuse under the sun adequate enough to explain why one would CHOOSE to do this to an innocent child, especially one that has felt an ounce of that pain personally.   I've heard the psycho babble, I've read countless opinions of disorders & ones that are made up to specifically excuse a behavior until I'm blue in the face - explanations & opinions are what they are, excuses well I've been fresh out of patience with that for far too long & have NO tolerance whatsoever.

Actually, I thanked the creator of this video on site, as its poignant message is CRUCIALLY IMPORTANT...if it doesn't move you, you are not human.   I have the original video by Collin Raye on myspace.

Tks everyone for the hugs, we all need them at times - as silly as this sounds I reorganized my kitchen cabinets & then put music on and even with this spine that pitches fits I danced for a good 1/2 hour.   I'll be a little sore but I exercised the emotional hurt I was feeling right out of me - mind strong, heart pounding, strength restored