Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #40 1/01/11 - 1/18/11

[Curly]

This may make me sound nuts, but...cases like this (Zahra, and others)lends credibility to the idea of placing a chip in a child when it's young. Yes, it's traumatic, but like circumcision, it's done, they cry, it's over, they don't remember it.

This could possibly be a deterrent to these kind of crimes, and prevent these crimes that turn into these mysterious missing person's cases.

[starwynn]

I do commend LE in this case, they have certainly not told anything to the public to jeopardize their case. I personally think they are sitting on a heap of evidence...and they are missing a body. I hate saying that. 

They have kept everything quiet. I hate to say it as well, but I don't think Kyron is alive either. I pray to God I am wrong and one day we will see him running into his mama's arms, please let that happen.

I feel the same, Tracygirl.  I guess I'm just jaded. That being said, when they said "no shred of evidence" that Kyron is dead, I had a wonderful swoop of hope in my heart, and then a sort of guilty creeping-up of the dread of "but this world is so harsh.....".   Still, as long as LE holds out hope, so do I.  It's going to be a HUGE party on here if/when he's found!

[Brandi]

http://www.examiner.com/crime-in-national/kyron-horman-news-divorce-hearing-postponed-for-missing-boy-s-dad

According to this article "SHE WAS PLOTTING TO KILL HER DAUGHTER".

I don't know where that reporter got that information. Not sure I believe it is factual.

But I did find this in Kaine's response to Terri in the divorce papers:



JMO, of course.

[sebastian]

This may make me sound nuts, but...cases like this (Zahra, and others)lends credibility to the idea of placing a chip in a child when it's young. Yes, it's traumatic, but like circumcision, it's done, they cry, it's over, they don't remember it.

This could possibly be a deterrent to these kind of crimes, and prevent these crimes that turn into these mysterious missing person's cases.

Hi Curly,
I too have thought of this often. The bad thing about a chip could be that the perp would kill the child sooner and dispose of the body right away so as not to be tracked.

[Shell]

(snipped with <3)

The latest story of the men who have been raping severely handicapped women is sickening. Someone found the images and reported to authorities.

OT:  Isn't that horrifying?  Ironically, I read that article last night.  Then I went in for jury duty today (gratefully, having been reading about poor Jonathan down here - I was all sorts of ready to sit on a jury), and the case that we were being chosen/not chosen for was another case like that.  Aggravated sexual assault on a mentally disabled person, apparently in a home, by a guy with teardrop tattoos, and other gang-association tattoos on his face and hands.  Ohhh brother.  Needless to say, I was not chosen to sit the jury when I expressed reluctance to give probation and no jail time if the suspect was found guilty of first-degree felonious aggravated sexual assault of a mentally handicapped person!

Now I see how people are getting out all the time on these charges. 

/rant over

I do not even have words for responding about how I feel about such inhumane/twisted/sick people. I could share another personal story, but I will not...let's just say these things shock me to the core.

[starwynn]

http://www.examiner.com/crime-in-national/kyron-horman-news-divorce-hearing-postponed-for-missing-boy-s-dad

According to this article "SHE WAS PLOTTING TO KILL HER DAUGHTER".

According to the article, but if you go back to the document that they say is where he says she was plotting to kill the daughter, I'm not yet finding that language at all.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/34071571/Kaine-Horman-s-restraining-order-request

Maybe I'm missing it?  I see a lot of "Respondent attempted to hire someone to murder me".

[Tracygirl]

I'm sure we didn't ALL miss that little tidbit about wanting to kill the baby; that is the least reliable site that pretends to be a news site out there ,or one of them.

I am feeling very down about Kyron and justice, etc...I have thought about this case every day since June 5 and every night, when I go to sleep in my big comfortable bed, with my big comfortable cat, I think of Desiree and almost feel guilty for my own comfort.  And then my brain goes back to what we've heard about that school on June 4th and won't stop, trying to think what could have happened. I think I've fallen asleep thinking about Kyron every night since.It is all just so mystifying and frustrating and can't imagine how the families and LE feel.

What a nice post.

[sebastian]

I'm sure we didn't ALL miss that little tidbit about wanting to kill the baby; that is the least reliable site that pretends to be a news site out there ,or one of them.

I am feeling very down about Kyron and justice, etc...I have thought about this case every day since June 5 and every night, when I go to sleep in my big comfortable bed, with my big comfortable cat, I think of Desiree and almost feel guilty for my own comfort. And then my brain goes back to what we've heard about that school on June 4th and won't stop, trying to think what could have happened. I think I've fallen asleep thinking about Kyron every night since.It is all just so mystifying and frustrating and can't imagine how the families and LE feel.

Hi Bebecat,
I have been feeling very down lately too. I have spent lots of time with the mother of a missing child and I saw up close and personal how horrific it is for the parents. The longer it goes on, the more horrendous it is. I don't know how they get through it. They just need to know how many people think about them and care about them and pray for them. It is also so very important that there child is never ever forgotten.

[Tracygirl]

http://www.examiner.com/crime-in-national/kyron-horman-news-divorce-hearing-postponed-for-missing-boy-s-dad

According to this article "SHE WAS PLOTTING TO KILL HER DAUGHTER".

I don't know where that reporter got that information. Not sure I believe it is factual.

But I did find this in Kaine's response to Terri in the divorce papers:



JMO, of course.

Thank you Brandi for finding that!

[starwynn]

http://www.examiner.com/crime-in-national/kyron-horman-news-divorce-hearing-postponed-for-missing-boy-s-dad

According to this article "SHE WAS PLOTTING TO KILL HER DAUGHTER".

According to the article, but if you go back to the document that they say is where he says she was plotting to kill the daughter, I'm not yet finding that language at all.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/34071571/Kaine-Horman-s-restraining-order-request

Maybe I'm missing it?  I see a lot of "Respondent attempted to hire someone to murder me".

Excerpt of interest:
I believe Respondent is involved in the disappearance of my son Kyron who has been missing since June 4, 2010.  I also recently learned that Respondent attempted to hire someone to murder me.  The police have provided me with probable cause to believe the above two statements to be true."  Listed under Section 3, "Describe the incident(s) of abuse that happened in the last 180 days: Describe how the Respondent hurt or threatened to hurt you, starting with the most recent incident:" 

The document referenced is the Restraining Order to Prevent Abuse entered June 28, 2010.

[Shell]

This may make me sound nuts, but...cases like this (Zahra, and others)lends credibility to the idea of placing a chip in a child when it's young. Yes, it's traumatic, but like circumcision, it's done, they cry, it's over, they don't remember it.

This could possibly be a deterrent to these kind of crimes, and prevent these crimes that turn into these mysterious missing person's cases.

That chip would need a camera in many of these situations. What has society come to?

[starwynn]

http://www.examiner.com/crime-in-national/kyron-horman-news-divorce-hearing-postponed-for-missing-boy-s-dad

According to this article "SHE WAS PLOTTING TO KILL HER DAUGHTER".

I don't know where that reporter got that information. Not sure I believe it is factual.

But I did find this in Kaine's response to Terri in the divorce papers:



JMO, of course.

Thank you Brandi for finding that!

Good eye!  A different document.  You know, when news sources print "facts" like the other did, I wonder how many lawsuits result from things like that.

[sebastian]

http://www.examiner.com/crime-in-national/kyron-horman-news-divorce-hearing-postponed-for-missing-boy-s-dad

According to this article "SHE WAS PLOTTING TO KILL HER DAUGHTER".

According to the article, but if you go back to the document that they say is where he says she was plotting to kill the daughter, I'm not yet finding that language at all.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/34071571/Kaine-Horman-s-restraining-order-request

Maybe I'm missing it?  I see a lot of "Respondent attempted to hire someone to murder me".

Excerpt of interest:
I believe Respondent is involved in the disappearance of my son Kyron who has been missing since June 4, 2010.  I also recently learned that Respondent attempted to hire someone to murder me.  The police have provided me with probable cause to believe the above two statements to be true."  Listed under Section 3, "Describe the incident(s) of abuse that happened in the last 180 days: Describe how the Respondent hurt or threatened to hurt you, starting with the most recent incident:" 

The document referenced is the Restraining Order to Prevent Abuse entered June 28, 2010.

Many times there are exhibits attached to these filings to back up what they are saying. I wonder if the exhibits have also been made public, if in fact there are any.

[bebecat]

I don't get the comfort that some of you do when LE says there is no evidence that Kyron is not alive...we've known that there is no evidence of that all along and it has not helped to locate him. It really just means there is no crime scene and no Kyron. I do think they have to keep saying it as long as they can (until they decide they have to proceed without finding him) just so people will still have it in their minds that he could be out there.

But this case is so different from others, in hearing that the missing child may have been at the least, disliked by one of the parents/caretakers. We don't usually hear that, it's shocking, and makes it seem much more likely, when that person is also the last person presumed to see the child, that there has been a murder. When Desiree spoke about reading that email or emails is when my mind started to turn more to this having to be TH. And yet I still could not convict her at this point and couldn't if emails and harsh words are all theyhave to present. So that makes me sad too, thinking that not only might Kyron never be found, but that it seems possible no one will suffer the consequences.

[Shell]

http://www.examiner.com/crime-in-national/kyron-horman-news-divorce-hearing-postponed-for-missing-boy-s-dad

According to this article "SHE WAS PLOTTING TO KILL HER DAUGHTER".

According to the article, but if you go back to the document that they say is where he says she was plotting to kill the daughter, I'm not yet finding that language at all.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/34071571/Kaine-Horman-s-restraining-order-request

Maybe I'm missing it?  I see a lot of "Respondent attempted to hire someone to murder me".

Excerpt of interest:
I believe Respondent is involved in the disappearance of my son Kyron who has been missing since June 4, 2010.  I also recently learned that Respondent attempted to hire someone to murder me.  The police have provided me with probable cause to believe the above two statements to be true."  Listed under Section 3, "Describe the incident(s) of abuse that happened in the last 180 days: Describe how the Respondent hurt or threatened to hurt you, starting with the most recent incident:" 

The document referenced is the Restraining Order to Prevent Abuse entered June 28, 2010.

 "The police have provided me with probable cause to believe the above two statements to be true."  <<<there ya go, they have info we do not know.

[sebastian]

I am really starting to wonder if Terri had some kind of diagnosed mental disorder. If so, that could explain Kaine's reactions in the beginning with the letter to Intel employees, his seeming control of the media etc. Maybe he was doing damage control FOR Terri. Maybe he knew Terri had problems and people may gossip about her but never in a million years thought she was capable of doing anything to Kyron. Then as time went on and LE presented Kaine with things, Kaine came to the horrible realization that Terri could in fact be guilty. It could also explain why he wore his wedding ring for so long. Maybe he just could not believe it himself?

[yuknomenot]

Something is wrong with the thought processes of Oregon lawmakers, IMO 

http://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-northwest-news/index.ssf/2011/01/oregon_supreme_court_rules_that_simply_viewing_child_pornography_on_the_internet_isnt_illegal.html

"The Oregon Supreme Court ruled today that it’s not a crime to look at child pornography while surfing the Internet if none of the images are purposefully downloaded, printed out or paid for."

Ugh.  Really???? 

Oh wait, it says "Purposefully downloaded" so to me that means, if I search for something innocent enough and child porn pops up on my screen, then I am not commiting a crime. because I did not purposefully search for it.  Did I get that right?

The "purposefully downloaded" part is ridiculous IMO.  Seems like all any of them would have to is claim it was found accidentally, or any other excuse really, and they're free and clear.  If they're looking at child porn, I doubt that kind of fib would be difficult for them.  How's a court to prove otherwise.  Crazy stuff coming out of the court systems these days.

I just heard an interesting discussion on judges yesterday on the news. Apparently judges can be impeached. I think it is about time that the public starts taking these judges to task on these rediculous liberal rulings with regards to any sort of sex offense.

Wouldn't it be something if the system actually worked the way it was supposed to.  As far as liberal or conservative, I'd settle for common sense/non-PC. 

[yuknomenot]

Something is wrong with the thought processes of Oregon lawmakers, IMO 

http://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-northwest-news/index.ssf/2011/01/oregon_supreme_court_rules_that_simply_viewing_child_pornography_on_the_internet_isnt_illegal.html

"The Oregon Supreme Court ruled today that it’s not a crime to look at child pornography while surfing the Internet if none of the images are purposefully downloaded, printed out or paid for."

Ugh.  Really???? 

Oh wait, it says "Purposefully downloaded" so to me that means, if I search for something innocent enough and child porn pops up on my screen, then I am not commiting a crime. because I did not purposefully search for it.  Did I get that right?

The "purposefully downloaded" part is ridiculous IMO.  Seems like all any of them would have to is claim it was found accidentally, or any other excuse really, and they're free and clear.  If they're looking at child porn, I doubt that kind of fib would be difficult for them.  How's a court to prove otherwise.  Crazy stuff coming out of the court systems these days.

As much as I disagree with the ruling, please be aware that most internet browsers do prefetching.  That means that your browser may load pages even before you click on the link to go there.  That means that LE searching your computer or sniffing your traffic my find images that you never ever saw yourself.

(If you are a Firefox user, type "about:config" in the address bar, and look for "network.prefetch-next".)

Thank you for that info!  I never dreamt Firefox could pre-fetch something I wasn't actively searching for. 

[yuknomenot]

Something is wrong with the thought processes of Oregon lawmakers, IMO 

http://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-northwest-news/index.ssf/2011/01/oregon_supreme_court_rules_that_simply_viewing_child_pornography_on_the_internet_isnt_illegal.html

"The Oregon Supreme Court ruled today that it’s not a crime to look at child pornography while surfing the Internet if none of the images are purposefully downloaded, printed out or paid for."

Ugh.  Really???? 

Oh wait, it says "Purposefully downloaded" so to me that means, if I search for something innocent enough and child porn pops up on my screen, then I am not commiting a crime. because I did not purposefully search for it.  Did I get that right?

The "purposefully downloaded" part is ridiculous IMO.  Seems like all any of them would have to is claim it was found accidentally, or any other excuse really, and they're free and clear.  If they're looking at child porn, I doubt that kind of fib would be difficult for them.  How's a court to prove otherwise.  Crazy stuff coming out of the court systems these days.

I wasn't really defending this new law, just trying to understand it.  Maybe I am being too sensitive but I feel like some of you jumped all over me for my interpretation of this law.  I really think lawmakers were not trying to give an out to pedophiles, I am sure they could tell if someone visited a site multiple times or different sites of the same nature. Anyway, it does seem to be off topic and I am done with that topic.

NO no no!  I wasn't jumping all over you at all, I was jumping all over them!  I was attempting to point out that their ruling was crazy because it's almost impossible to "accidentally" run across child porn.  I'm so sorry, I really mucked that up.

[yuknomenot]

This may make me sound nuts, but...cases like this (Zahra, and others)lends credibility to the idea of placing a chip in a child when it's young. Yes, it's traumatic, but like circumcision, it's done, they cry, it's over, they don't remember it.

This could possibly be a deterrent to these kind of crimes, and prevent these crimes that turn into these mysterious missing person's cases.

Hi Curly,
I too have thought of this often. The bad thing about a chip could be that the perp would kill the child sooner and dispose of the body right away so as not to be tracked.

How on earth did we (meaning the human race) get to a point that this has to even be a far-fetched thought?  We sure have been on a downward spiral since the biggest scare was Martian's landing.