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Whooo hooo!!!   ::MonkeyDance::

Beautiful tribute to Caylee, Blonde.

Smooooth

Way to go Blonde

 ::MonkeyDance::

I believe Cindy told Greta that Caylee slept with Casey almost every night.  :smt102

ouch. I landed on my head.

Whew. Made it.  ::MonkeyCool::

ZACTLY!!! Thank-you - this has been my main point > but you can take credit for it too.  ::MonkeyHaHa::

This is the entire key to the case, and there is only one truth.

Nice work 2NJ!  I love that video tribute to Caylee!  Thanks to Blonde for thinking about using it for the thread starter!

My daughter slept in my bed a lot of nights until she was about 5. Let me tell you -- it's a hard habit to break. Don't start it!

Okay, I just have to know. What did Caylee call Casey? Mom, or big sister? Seriously.

OMG..that tribute!!!!!

I've always thought it was likely.. or at least possible.. that Casey would put Caylee to bed, wait til she was asleep, and then "sneak" out.. and sneak back in during the night after her partying was done.  This may have occurred quite often.   (Although this seems stupid, because what if Caylee woke up crying? Cindy would be concerned and want to check on her).

Webcam/stalker cam is down or busy, wonder if something is up.  Seems like an odd time of day to be busy.

http://media.myfoxorlando.com/live/mobilecam2.html

Well, I think she left with Caylee that night and the next morning is when "it" happened, thus the flurry of phone calls, the she rode around with Caylee in the trunk for 2 days, came home, borrowed the shovel, perhaps buried her in the depression by the pool, then left.

Remember the explanations of the "smell" in the trunk.

Cindy = pizza
George = Casey ran over a squirrel

I have been racking my brain, and Google for weeks on this.

1 smell, 2 stories

This is all I can come up with.....

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It's actually been down for a bit now. I noticed a little earlier, too.

Still, why not double check to make sure all are accounted for?  Its all of a second to poke you head in the door.  Maybe even say a quick "Goodnight" or "I love you".  Something is not right, sounds to me like Cindy is trying to justify her lie by not being too detailed.  "Maybe if I say I 'thought' it can not be considered misleading".  Please...next! 

Maybe, that is why she needed chloroform, but it went deadly wrong?

Once I stopped breastfeeding my kids, they stayed in their own beds at night.   ::MonkeyDance::   Dang kids hog the covers!!  ::MonkeyNoNo::

this case is rather easy to solve now.

you sit George and Cindy down and ask if Casey left with Caylee on the 15th and if they say yes, Casey is the culprit. If they say no - it's either George or Cindy.

My theory remains the same - Casey hated her mother more then she loved her daughter - but hate is sometimes a two way street. And after Cindy's diatribe on myspace - it could be reasonably argued that she had a certain disdain for her daughter.

She is 23 years old, why would she be sneaking out?  Just let her Mom know she is going out for the evening and have her watch Caylee. 

what pic are yall getting on the cam? I have a pic on mine..it may be stuck, but its daylight and its on the house....

One time a squirrel got caught in my mom's car, in a belt, and it died. They like to gnaw on the wires in certain cars. And it did make an awful stink. Sorry, gross, but it happened. But I didn't call the cops and say "It smells like there's been a dead body in the damn car!"

Seems to me, Cindy would give her a lecture and guilt her. I don't think she could easily do this.

I always thought that flurry of calls on the 16th was the sign of a guilty conscience, either she just killed her and was terrified of what she had just done or she was about to do it and was giving everyone one last chance to stop her.  When the calls show up again on the 18th, I think that's when she disposed of poor little Caylee's body. 

Mine is back up now, too.

Cam2

Those darn No Trespassing signs keep falling over.

Is it just me, or does anyone else hate gravity?

 ::MonkeyCool::

Misha, not sure if you got this, since it was on the other thread. I love your pic. Very adorable!

With that you have my point.  What did Casey do during the 31 days Caylee was "missing"?  She partied her a$$ off. 
No Caylee = Freedom.

Yes, and mine kicks and talks in her sleep. She used to wiggle her little hand under my neck and clutch my hair at night. It was a pain in the neck then, but now I'm all nostalgic. Oh, they grow up too fast. Enjoy it while you can all you parent monkeys!

I could not agree more

And congrats on the breast feeding, the best thing a mom can do

Defense: "It is not gravity's fault that it was set in place as an immovable law. No, I tell you, my client, Mr. Gravity, was at the mercy of his creator, and therefore it is his creator's fault for him causing things to fall down all the time."

you are sooooo much better than Baez

You just wanted to say breasts Tomm.... ::MonkeyNoNo::

RTFL!!

Thank you!  Those are my little monkeys.  I took that about a year ago.  Way back when y'all were talking about chloroform and photography, I was going to put in my two cents about Casey's photography skills. 

 ::MonkeyConfused::

I'm sure Cindy told Casey they would not babysit anymore, and she needed either needed to stay with Caylee or pay a babysitter.  Since she had no money and no babysitter at hand, but wanted to go to Tony's for the night, Casey probably thought she could leave Caylee at the Anthony's house if she were asleep.  Did she chloroform Caylee to make her sleep and then leave on the night of the 15th?  Did she give her too much chloroform and come home to find a dead Caylee? 

 ::MonkeyLaugh::

::MonkeyRoll:: Yep. I sure love my little guy. He's only 3, but it already seems like it was only yesterday when he was my tiny baby boy.

That's why I put "sneak" in quotes.  You're right.. she's too old to be sneaking out, but maybe she knew her mom wouldn't approve of what she was doing or where she was going. It's easier just to act like everything is normal and that she's in her room with Caylee every night.  I'm not saying it's most likely.. just possible.


This girl didn't have a lot of money- she didn't have a real job, she stole from her family, friends, etc.  She didn't have a real nanny, her car frequently ran out of gas, etc.  Her parents wanted to do right by Caylee for sure, but were probably getting sick of Casey's behavior. 

One of my husband's sisters (when she was just out of high school) started spending a lot of time with friends, at their home.  Eventually she was spending almost every night there.  Finally, my mother-in-law was like "You're not going to use this place as your mailing address and a place to keep your Sh8t. You either live here, or you move out."  My SIL opted to move out.. in with the friends she hung with. She had a job, so she could take care of herself financially.  Casey didn't have that option. If Cindy would have given her an ultimatum, what would she do?  Did she have somebody just dying to let her move in? (I doubt it- and we know that Amy thought she was moving into the house with Casey).  She couldn't financially support herself and a child w/out stealing money.  If she's trying to get away from her parents, she's not going to leave Caylee with them- but she can't afford a real nanny.  Hence the chloroform or Xanax or God knows what else.

LOL! But didn't you hear? She worked for the Kodak kiosk at Universal!  ::MonkeyTongue::

Personally I think George and Cindy are lying through their teeth.  If what LP says is correct, after Cindy tried to throttle Casey on June 15th, she left with Caylee and Caylee was never seen alive again. I have never believed George's story that he spoke to Casey and Caylee as they were leaving on the 16th when he was watching the news.....uh cooking show and I don't believe Cindy's story that she heard them on June 16th.  I believe that when the sun rose on the 16th, Caylee was dead.  I think George and Cindy are lying not only to protect Casey, but to protect Cindy from the disclosure that she physically attacked Casey. 

No, I was serious. My daughter loved it. She would fall asleep so fast.

And it was great for me. I never had to get up at night.....

It sounds like Cindy/Casey/George had a big fight on June 15, most likely about the way that Casey wasn't taking good care of Caylee.  If Cindy had already been to the physciatrist to discuss Casey and had received advise to get Caylee in a safe place and file for legal custody, then it stands to reason that Casey had not been taking care of Caylee for such a prolonged period that Cindy was extremely concerned.  That means that Casey didn't just "snap".  It means that Casey had been behaving badly as a mother for a prolonged period.

However, Cindy didn't get Caylee to a safe place "before" she confronted Casey with wanting legal custody of Caylee.  Cindy showed her had too early and Casey formed and even deeper resentment - Mom loves Caylee best.  Casey is so selfish that she can't see that Caylee is so young that she must be protected. At least Cindy did know that much.

Since Cindy didn't get Caylee to a safe place first, when she confronted Casey with taking the Caylee from her legally, Casey got the h*ll out of dodge and took the treasure chest with her.  Defiance.  Defiance is what happened to Caylee. Whatever happened, it was a simple act of pure defiance on Casey's part.

That's why Casey says:  I know my Mother's never going to forgive me.

You're right, Casey.....and....neither is anyone else.

 

And, George was there the morning of the 16th when Casey came home and found a dead Caylee.  Thus, George made up the story about seeing the girls leave the house dressed to go to work.  This makes George complicit in the coverup and disposal.

Thanks, Tomm.  I wish  my in-laws felt that way.  (It's pretty harsh when you're told your milk is probably bad and that's why your kid cries all the time.   :smt097  Or that it's just plain gross.   ::MonkeyNoNo:: )

AZlady, this is my current theory, as well. Either she did it at the Anthony home, or...she did it to keep Caylee asleep in the car (maybe even the trunk) because she had left due to the fight at the home, but couldn't bring Caylee to Tony's, since they had told her it was not a good environment for Caylee.

Yep, it's as simple as the above.  I agree!

Well, I will say this and then I'll try to stop getting all sentimental ... any and all ages are "cute" ages. Your children will amaze you now and forever. What amazes me most is the PERSON she has become. I admire her heart and soul. To think, Casey will miss out on all of that. It's a shame.

::MonkeyLaugh::  (When my daughter was  2 wks old, I started "expressing" milk, so that my husband could help with feedings. She took to a bottle great!  We took turns every other night, staying up with her.  When my son was born, he refused to have anything to do with a bottle. So my husband never "had" to feed him).  ::MonkeyRoll::

Yea, Babybear, That's exactly what I wanted to say, my post got lost between threads ::MonkeyWaa::
Lp came out with all that last night. I wish someone would sit him down & get every last shred of what he knows, out of him. What he says, always comes to pass, I want to know EVERYTHING he knows ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyWaa::

Yes.  I'm wondering about Tony's involvement, too.  It might be that she left Caylee in the car, unconscious, and when she discovered she was dead, I wonder if she told Tony.  For some reason, I just think she brought someone else into her confidence to help her dispose of the body.

You know, this is O/T and I am probably going to get in trouble for this. But this is a soapbox of mine. WHY are people so silly? By now, all these years gone by, all the science of how good it is for mom and child, why are qualms about breastfeeding still in existence. This is just silly, to me, anyway.

So you both believe Casey killed Caylee on purpose????

I agree.  I also think that, at first, Cindy was rational and cooperative with LE, but as time went on, she probably believes she's partially responsible for Caylee's death.  The guilt she feels is eating her up.  Hence, the pizza, the hammers, the confrontations with protestors.  She's like Lady Macbeth - Out, d@mned spot, Out!

Exactly! I don't think she even knows what's she's lost. What a shame, indeed!

You can add me to that list.  I'm saying that Casey killed Caylee on purpose.  I've tossed around several theories and explanations, but the more I learn about Casey from people who knew her, I am coming to that explanation now.  Casey is selfish and self-centered, jealous, and attention seeking.  She saw others as objects for manipulation.  Caylee became too much work and demanded too much of her time.  She put her to sleep forever.

It IS silly. I personally don't care how any mother feeds their child, as long as they feed them.  Taking care of our kids is what being a parent is all about.  Unfortunately for Caylee, her mother didn't do her job.  ::MonkeyNoNo::   

It's possible. Which is why I keep asking, "Did Tony drive to NY?" Could he have taken the body with him? Dumped it along the way?

That is so possible.  I think she had an accomplice.  If not, they would have found Caylee immediately because Casey is not motivated, energetic or strong enought to have hidden a body so well in her immediate area that the searchers can't find it.

I think it's very telling that we have not heard virtually anything from Tony, or about Tony, outside of that 400 pages of documents. He isn't speaking- I'm guessing for his sake, that's probably for the best.

I'm still not convinced she purposefully killed her. But I do think she purposefully put her asleep for selfish motive (so, some might say that is one in the same.) Either way, I agree it was "defiance" on Casey's part that caused Caylee's death.

Well, for my part, I'm not sure if it was premeditated murder.  Maybe it was.  Maybe it wasn't.  I believe Casey was really, really angry and took that anger out on Caylee after the "big fight".  Whether it was premeditated or over zealous anger, it turned into Casey's worst nightmare.  She is her own worst enemy. Casey is the reason that Casey will be spending many, many years in jail.  Whatever happened, it was done out of defiance.  Defiance is the "motive".  IMO

Right. Makes me wonder...has he taken a poly?

In her anger after the fight, I can see Casey's attitude as:  How dare you do this to me; all you care about is Caylee; I'll show you!

Hey guys....help me out here...

Ok, so Mr.Grund says he HAD heard of Zanny in '06...

and Cindy had heard of Zanny...

So, if there is no Zanny, which we know there isnt, this has been one huge elaborate lie for a LOOONNGGG time..

Which brings me to this..when Casey said Zanny had Caylee, where was she really??

I don't know how Cindy can say that Caylee slept with Casey every nite. Didn't
Tonys room mate say that Tony slept with Casey every nite. Right after Caylee
went missing there was a tribute to Caylee on you tube and the music behind it
was "Somewhere out there" It was so sad.

So LP said this where? Monkey radio show??? Do tell.

OMG I ran over a dead squirrel this morning (being serious).  I will let you know in a few days if my car smells like decomp.

Yes, this disturbed me as well. When do we know for a fact that Casey was fired from Universal or Kodak, whatever the heck it was?

I'm trying to remember this, too. Wasn't it June 2006?

Hello Everyone :smt039.  Trying to catch up here, do we have the new 600 page document yet?

State Attorney's Office releases documents in Casey Anthony case
Walter Pacheco and Sarah Lundy | Sentinel Staff Writers
10:55 AM EDT, September 23, 2008
TODAY'S UPDATES:

State Attorney's Office releases documents in case
10:55 a.m. The State Attorney's Office has released nearly 600 of pages of documents in the case against Casey Anthony, the mother of missing 3-year-old Caylee Marie.

The documents, including interviews with family members and other investigative material, are released as part of discovery, which is procedure where the state releases information to defense. The Orlando Sentinel received the documents in response to a public records request.

Yes, goodnmad, LP told about the huge fight CA & Casey had the night of June 15th. Cindy tried to choke her
, hands on her throat, & everything. That's the fight the neighbors heard!
Casey hauled a$$ with Caylee that night! IIRC

Morning MSE. Don't know about that, sorry.

forgot to add where can we read these?

right Puzzler - and - it's a certain amount of entitlement. Most crimes are not very complicated. And this one won't be either.

She was fired in April 2006.  Her pay records are in that 400 pages of stuff.

If you scroll down there is also a place to download the mp3...There are different options to listen to it..
http://scaredmonkeysradio.com/

How soon till we get access?

If Casey had picked up the dead squirrel and tossed it into the trunk, then maybe a squirrel would have caused a smell. Otherwise, I think Georgie's theory is pretty much BS

wow, the physical contact is something i had not heard about. IMO, would make Cindy feel even more guilty.

Yikes.  Since there really is no such think as Zanny the Nanny, could this be considered "long term abuse" or even worse "premeditated"?  Building a lie for future use.....why?

I agree AZ - at first I thought it was a tragic accident.  I guess that is what MY mind wanted to think.  The more and more I read and put things together, the more I see of Casey as all of the things you listed.  In Casey's mind, Caylee was taking from her - attention from others, taking her time away from being with friends, etc.

I don't have the exact quote, but I remember in one of the Phone conversations that was recorded, Casey's remark that "All they are concerned with is Caylee" and right after that she caught herself- but in her voice, IMO there was a sound of jealousy and resentment that no one was concerned with her.

What was she fired for? Because April 2006 was also when Rev. Grund said he confronted Casey about Caylee needing a sitter, and she said she'd found one named Zany. (?)

procedure where the state releases information to defense

Defense for ... fraud charges? Child neglect?

I have been trying to find them, nothing yet ::MonkeyConfused::

Good morning monkeys...George, Cindy, Lee, Casey, Jose...Chuck...

Beautiful tribute, Blonde. 

I have some catching up to do (as always), and I wasn't able to watch any tv or listen to Dana's show last night.  Hopefully I'll be able to listen to Dana later today.  I did read a few posts from my cell phone last night about LP stating that Cindy grabbed Casey by the throat during their fight on June 15th.  Somehow this just doesn't surprise me. 

I also read that Baez has hired a forensics expert.  He's obviously preparing for the murder charges. 

It was encouraging to read Red's post reminding us that LE is working hard and not to give up hope.

While I'm reading back, would someone mind sharing any other important new bits of info?  What did Tim Miller have to say, etc.

Trying to keep quote stacks down, ::MonkeyTongue::
Apparently the fight was over Casey stealing from the grandparents. They had just come home from visiting G'pa!

Yes, entitlement.  Sounds like Casey's been a problem child all along and, while obtaining age, did not actually grow up in her mind.  Everything's about Casey.
How dare you to think more of Caylee than me!! 

So you all think she killed Caylee out of revenge, jealousy, hate.....I still Caylee was killed accidently when Casye was careless because she loved Tony and he did not want Caylee.

searching also   Thanks

Casey moved out of her parents on the 9th, that's why everyone got stuck on that date.  If someone attacked you would you spend the night?  And where was Caylee while the fight was happening, poor little thing.  And then the next day, happy happy with GA leaving for work maybe back that night or next morning after a huge fight?  And GA does ask if she spoke to her mom. So was the flurry of calls about who was the maddest that day?  The 17th is the day we have no records for right?

 

Oh, there was the other thing from NG last night -- Grund's dad said Casey working in a Kodak booth at Universal, the ones where they take your pic while on a ride and try to sell you the pic. So, no event planning to his knowledge.

So did she think this up spur of the moment? Did she need a babysitter at all at that point? Was the car the babysitter? We know both the GPs worked. Hmmm ....

There wasn't anything in the documents (that I could find anyway) that stated why she was fired.  But I think by the time Rev Grund confronted her, she no longer needed a nanny because she had no job.  I think she just told him she found a nanny rather than telling him she got fired and didn't need a babysitter anymore.

My problem with the theory that Cindy or George being the ones who killed Caylee is why would Casey cover for them if she hated them?

Entitlement - WOW - my mind just doesn't run that way..................... ::MonkeyNoNo::

That would have been one hell of a fight in my house. I would not EVER do anything like that, but Lord have mercy if I did. My dad would have gone off.

Tim said he spoke with Cindy on the phone recently and that he would be heading back to Florida with in a week to resume searching. 

I had thought all along that Zanny was a new development surrounding the case..that Casey made her up a few months ago..

Makes it even more bizarre that Zanny has been a figment for 2 years..... ::MonkeyEek::

So was the fight on the 8th or the 15th or both?

I must say that given Casey's actions and the fact that she is thriving on all of the attention...I will agree with Puzzler and Rob.  Just re-listen to her latest call to 911.  She acts like she is entitled to their services and they need to drop all that they are doing to come to her.  She seems to have this attitude about a lot of things within her life.  Reading her poem she wrote on her MySpace...IMO

This theory makes a lot of sense, but then what was the flurry of calls about later?  If George knew Caylee was dead and was helping Casey cover up, why didn't he answer her calls? 

I'm in the minority here, too. I still think it was an accident. I think Casey was basically homeless, and wanted Casey to sleep (maybe in the car (maybe even in the trunk) having nowhere else really for her, as she was told that Tony's was a good environment by Tony and his roomies) So, she gave her the choloform and it turned deadly. She gave her too much, or it spilled out in the trunk, or such.

I agree. I can't figure this one out either.

I wish I knew if the book series "Double Trouble Squared" was found inside the Anthony home....

That is where she got Zanny the Nanny from.....

Crazy a$$..... ::MonkeyNoNo::
  2 of 2 people found the following review helpful:
 A wonderful, action-packed mystery and adventure book!, January 6, 2000
By A Customer

When their father quits his job and goes on an environmental strike, the older Starbuck set of telepathic twins, girl Liberty, and boy July (the month), are greatly embarrassed. When their father brings his environmental stuff to a school assembly, July, Liberty, and their mother help convince him to take a job under the ambassador in England. Liberty and July, Charly and Molly the five year old twins, Dad, and Zanny the Nanny, move to England. Mom has to stay with her job. Zanny decides to be their teacher, and no more school! Upon arriving, the twins meet up with an evil man who keeps quoting from Sherlock Holmes novels. Soon, an interupting voice keeps breaking into their telepathic conversations. And, the house where they are living keeps revealing secrets from Sherlock Holmes novels. When the twins find a secret room, they start reading from an old manuscript, and . . . read this book for the rest! 

Exactly. The fact that she stole from others instead of WORKING for a living is the perfect example. Get real, Casey. Get a real job. 

Latest: New Leads In Caylee Case?

(http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2008/images/09/08/New%20CayleeT1.jpg)

A couple claims new photos show missing tot Caylee alive! Where is Caylee Anthony? Nancy Grace investigates, tonight 8 & 10 ET on Headline News.

Ok, well I respect your views, so I will go back and listen to it.

Not to play devils advocate, and I mean devil, maybe Casey was being short with him...Rev. Grund.  I mean we all know where Zanny the Nanny comes from.  Maybe she was not liking him butting into her life and said "I have a nanny, Zanny" just pulling the first name that pops in her head.  Then here again, she needs a quick cover story, she picks the first thing that pops in her head, from reading the books "Zanny the Nanny". 
Why would the Rev had heard of Zanny and the family not heard of her? 

Apparently, there was alot of violence in this family's background! Someone posted here last night that George threw his father through a plate glass window a few years back! ::MonkeyShocked::
Remember the list of service calls on OCSD site, not that,"that" happened at this house  though ?

oh, for goodness sake. This boggles my mind.

 ::MonkeyConfused::

I don't think they have been put on the internet yet.  Hopefully by later today.

I think the plate glass allegedly happened in Ohio at the car dealership, IIRC

No no dont leave, please explain what your view is on this.  Mine changes all the time as this case gets more and more CRAZY!!  I want to hear why your mind does not go to entitlement, and where your mind takes you.  PLEASE! 

I didn't make it ::MonkeyNoNo::

I think Zanny is in a way KCs alter ego. Zanny takes care of baby caylee when no else is available to .
If Cindy is more of a mother to caylee than Kc then who is Kc to caylee?
i hope they do use some hypnotic thereapy on Kc to put the two together.

good thinking Dolce. And maybe later when she needed someone to blame she filled in the details of her little story.

True, she could have pulled that just off the top of her head.....just trying to think on her feet.... ::MonkeyConfused::

Is this the McDonalds people?  Nancy is always a day behind.

This may be the TN mc'donalds pics from yesterday. NG is sorta behind on some stuff IMO

What I hope is in the 600 pages:

 - Casey's phone records
 - Tony's phone records
 - Paternity tests on several men
 - G, C&L's statement transcripts
 - Forensic results (yeah, yeah, I know I'm dreaming there)
 

that would be nice.

Add Casey's signed confession. Ha! Not happening in a million years.

 ::cartwheel::

Does any Monkey who resides locally feel inclined to give Amy L. Edwards a call and ... enquired to when or if the Sentinel will post the document.

Janet
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Updated: 30 minutes ago

State Attorney's Office releases documents in Casey Anthony case
Walter Pacheco and Sarah Lundy | Sentinel Staff Writers
10:55 AM EDT, September 23, 2008
TODAY'S UPDATES:

State Attorney's Office releases documents in case
10:55 a.m. The State Attorney's Office has released nearly 600 of pages of documents in the case against Casey Anthony, the mother of missing 3-year-old Caylee Marie.

The documents, including interviews with family members and other investigative material, are released as part of discovery, which is procedure where the state releases information to defense. The Orlando Sentinel received the documents in response to a public records request.

<snipped>

Amy L. Edwards of the Sentinel staff contributed to this report. Sarah Lundy can be reached at slundy@orlandosentinel.com or 407-420-6218.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/orange/orl-casey-anthony092308,0,1398363.story

This had crossed my mind. And then, it just stuck because people bought her lie. What do you think?

I have 2 thoughts about what happened to Caylee. One is by accident either by drowning in the pool, heat in the playhouse, or Caylee was napping and Casey left her napping in the car ran in somewhere shopping with the car running and ran out of gas since the gas gauge didn't work.
The other is on purpose. Whether she is mentally ill or not one thing is for certain Caylee visits her at night during her dreams she has no control over that. She may push away and deny all thoughts of Caylee during her waking hours but no one controls what thoughts or dreams we have in the long lonely darkness of the night. I do not believe the state of Fla. will take her life. Do not worry monkeys. Caylee will have her own justice, in her own way, in her own time, one night at a time, for a very long time.

Nancy talked about the McDonalds photos on her show last night and they basically said that it was NOT Caylee so I am thinking this is something new.

Switchy

This investigation has been going on for over two month ... I expect the above information will be included.  If not ... WHY?

Janet

Thanks Willen, good info!  I missed NG last night.

Dolce, haven't you ever wanted something more than anything else at the moment and the thought of having it consumed your every moment???  I think that's the way Casey felt about Tony.  But he only wanted her, not Caylee.  I think Casey let down her guard for a few minutes and Caylee got killed.  She tried to call everyone, but noone would answer the phone.  She drove around with the baby in the car for two days, then buried her in a shallow grave.  When I listen to the phone from the jail, all I hear is she wants to talk to Tony, no matter what.  This happens in all of our lifes, when you let something get in the way of what you are supposed to be doing, other things get taken away from you.     

Thanks for the info...Sincerely

I think so, too.  Not only because people bought it, but because she made it "true" in her own head and once that happens you can't budge her.  Even when LE was no longer buying it and calling her a liar right to her face, she stuck to it.  It's like she makes something up and then that becomes her version of reality no matter what.

Well my furry monkey friends. I'm off to get my little guy from preschool again today. Will check in later when he's napping. Here's hoping for a MAJOR break in this case!!

Stick with what sells.

Cam action!

Janet,

The DA can withhold a lot at this point.  Right now, Baez is only entitled to evidence regarding the neglect and fraud charges.  He is not entitled to any evidence gathered from the murder investigation because Casey has not yet been charged with murder.  I don't expect to see forensic results in these documents because they are part of the ongoing murder investigation.

Coverup, yes.  I'm not certain about the disposal.  It bothers me that he was telling the PO that he felt like Casey was covering up something, or not telling everything.  Why would he help with the disposal and cast doubt at the same time?  I think he later decided to cover for her by inventing the story but I'm not sure he was in on it.  Is there some way to explain why he would implicate her only to cover for her?

Garage door just went up!

OMG A-1 my head is going in circles!  Too many possible scenarios!  Yours fits in with the jail house calls.  There are so many ways this can all go given all the events and people surrounding this case. 
Maybe, she was killing 2 birds with one stone.  Getting her in with Tony and getting her out with Mommy Dearest.

Yes, she even said her mother already told her she would never forgive her.  So, why is she covering for her now?  Guilt?  If she never forgives her it will be something she can hold over her for eternity.  Power and control, Cindy's favorite weapons.

I love how the Sentinel always requests the info. Do the TV stations do nothing?

They seem a little more old school with contacts at LE. Real reporters.

IMHO a link worth saving

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/

Say a lie long enough and you begin to believe it as truth.  I have said that before, and I will say it again and again.  You begin to lose sight of the line that defines lies from truth.  Your lies become your reality since you are constantly having to cover them.

I honestly think that she used to chloroform to put her to sleep, and then smothered her...

I could be wrong,but I cannot see her bludgeoning her or anything else...

I live in SC..Back in the day, I dated Susan Smith's brother in law.... ::MonkeyEek::

I didnt know he was her bro in law until we had been together for a few months...

Even Susan Smith grieved for her children...
But, she was dating someone who didnt want kids..so, she eliminated the problem...
I think that played a part in it..I think Casey didnt want Caylee because she saw her as a burden..I also think that the fight the night of the 15th was what set her off..
I think that she killed two birds with one stone, by eliminating Caylee from her life, and getting back at Cindy....

Thanks Dolce.  So Cindy is willing to accept the fact that Caylee may be deceased?  Is it true that she is saying that if there was a dead body in the car that Jesse Grund put it there?  If so, is there a link to that info?  TIA

I think if it was Tony, he would have "caved" by now.  I think he would have taken a deal of immunity.  If he had a hand in her death, he probably wouldn't but just helping her to discard the body I think he would have been offered a deal and he would have taken it.  Did he lawyer  up?

Switchy
Scared Monkey

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   Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #28
« Reply #1398 on: September 22, 2008, 07:49:40 PM » 

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Mr Grund:

Jesse met Casey at Universal.  Dated her briefly.  She got clingy immediately (I love you, etc, within two weeks).  They broke up.  In June 05 (Caylee was born in Aug 05) Casey was at Mr Grund's house obviously pregnant.  She denied it and said she was having "female problems."  A month later she sent Jesse a text saying she was knocked up and Jesse was the father.  Jesse demanded a paternity test before allowing his name to be on the birth certificate.  Casey was pissed, but had no choice.  Learned 8 weeks later Jesse was NOT the father.

Jesse didn't see Casey or Caylee for 10 months, then Jesse felt bad - became friends with Casey again so he could have contact with Caylee.  Nov 07 Jesse and Casey got back together briefly to see if they could work things out, but it didn't work out again.

In April 06, Mr Grund confronted Casey about using his house and his family as a babysitting service and she told him she'd found a nanny that day.  He did not use the word "Zani."  He only said she'd found a nanny.

Mark Klaas called Casey an "odious creature" who completely wrecks the lives of everyone around her.  It's pretty apparent Mark Klaas finds Casey completely vile.


Did something change since this post last night ?? I've tried to find it but can't seem too. Can you direct me to an article or link please

TIA

Thanks Switchy

Janet

You have to listen to Tim's wording.  Even Red addressed this on the blog last night.  He is looking for Caylee, plane and simple.  I jumped the gun thinking that Cindy had finally given in, but thats not what was talk about in regards for a search for Caylee.  He knows where she is not at this point.

Me too, well not dated her BIL, but live in SC
Conso, the company she worked for, was a customer of mine.
Never met her though, but I did meet the boy friend

In document 1, pg. 23, you see the pic of Caylee from the nursing home that had been on the computer. The narrative below it states that it was taken by a Nikon Coolpix camera.

Then on pg. 42 of the same doc, a Polaroid digital camera was surrendered by George. No mention of the Nikkon be given to LE nor is it in the inventory list. Hmmmm.

He was in NY during the suspected time frame.  From the first 400 pages he seemed to be cooperating with the police, in fact was it not stated that Casey's call to him from jail after that first call to the family, you know the one that was a waste a total waste, Tony did not get it because he was being questioned by LE.  (Am I wrong?)

Janet
I called the sunsentinal but got a voice mail, I will try in a little while. 

Morning MrsK...This is interesting..Were you looking for something inpaticular when you found this..I was actually looking at that Coolpix thing earlier and looked it up online..But I didnt look at the George part...

We're on the same branch.  I just can't get my head around murder either, but there's nothing about this family that I understand.  If Casey snapped, I think it was after Caylee died.  Casey just pushed it out of her head and went out partying.  It wouldn't take much to change my mind, of course.  Show me the money evidence!

I dont know about you TommTomm....
First it was gay clubbing and now the BIL  (j/k)  :smt058

That's what I was looking for. Someone had mentioned the picture on another site and I pulled these both up to confirm.

Interesting thought, Dolce.  She used Zanny because it popped into her head when she was confronted by Rev. Grund and then later when she needed to make up a story, Zanny was already created.

Has anyone heard from Des?

I miss her

I hope her aunt is ok

Wonder where that Coolpix is and what else is on it?

Somehow I knew you would catch that

You always crack me up

Casey's Defense Team Acquires Forensic Scientist

http://www.wftv.com/video/17536077/index.html

Dolce, one of my favorite songs says "You know my heart keeps telling me, you're not a kid at 23, you play around, you lose your wife, you play too long you lose your life........

well, howdy neighbor!!!

Hi Monkeys!
I have been lurking here, and at a couple of other sites since this case broke. I decided to sign on here. As this site looks to have many here that I would love to have as friends!
I love reading all of your thoughtful and very intelligent posts.
I am brand new to ever being on any board.  And a little scared.

I contend the defence is using Richard Grund and Jesse Grund to given credibility to Casey's Zanny story.  I suspect it is an attempt to bring doubt to the prosecutor's case and ... prevent the case from moving forward.

IMO.

Richard Grund brought up Zanny to Nancy Grace last night and ... Jesse Grund brought bought up Zanny when he was interview by Geraldo on September 20th.

Janet

+++++++++


NANCY GRACE
Father of Casey Anthony`s Ex-Fiance Speaks Out
Aired September 22, 2008 - 20:00:00   ET

Back to the father of Casey Anthony`s ex-fiance. Richard Grund is with us. Did you ever are know of this nanny, see her, talk to her, hear of her?

GRUND: I never saw her or spoke to her, but I did hear of her. I heard of her in April of `06, when Casey lost her regular baby-sitter. As I said, Jesse would watch her. I would watch her. She tried to get my high-school-age son to watch her, which meant I watched her because I have an office in my home.

Finally, one day when Casey came home from work to wait for Jesse and hang out with us, I kind of greeted her at the door with, What are we going to do about this baby-sitter thing? And she says, I found one. I have a nanny. Her name is Zanny, and I got her from Jeffrey Hopkins, who has a son named ...

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0809/22/ng.01.html

Good Time Charlies got the blues.......

Does anyone really think that any of these guys really loved Casey so much that they would actually help her and put there futures on the line for her to help her get ride of Caylee?  I doubt it, non of them really loved her. Even Jesse and I think in his case he will realize he didn't love her, but who he thought she was. She is the type of person who changes to make someone like her, but a person can only pretend for so long and there real personality comes out.  She really doesn't know who she is so she adapts to the situation to gain love and attention from whom ever she can get it from. 

Welcome bellesmommy!!

I am out for a while crossing fingers when I return the documents will be out!!

Welcome!!!!

Don't be afraid, Monkeys don't bite...... hard

 ::MonkeyDance::

It is the BEST board

Thanks to our Mods and Admins

And the cage full of Monkeys

Will the just released documents be on the Sentinel's site later today?
Are these interviews with family members?
Should be some interesting reading.

Welcome bellesmommy. Don't be scared. Only a few bite but they have had their teeth filed down.

Jump right in. Tell us what your thoughts are.

Welcome!  You're supposed to be scared (we're all scared monkeys) ::MonkeyWink::
Get your feet wet, jump on in. We don't bite (hard).

What song is that? (Just curious)

Welcome!!!  Don't be scared, everyone is wonderful and they don't bite.  ::MonkeyHaHa::

 ::MonkeyDance::Can we get these 600 pages of doc's?? ::MonkeyDance::

They used her, like she used them

Also, one thing that really got me thinking was the statement she madse on the interrogation tapes..she said..

"Reardless of how it happened......(pause).."

It sounds like here, she ALMOST slipped up....

Good Time Charlies Got the Blues - Willie Nelson

I have a quick question while I'm eating my daily Lean Cuisine here at my desk.

Do we know where Casey might have obtained chloroform? I've read so many danged theories that now I think I'm confusing my theories with my facts.

Thanks.

Okay, I posted before I read everyone else's posts.  We're starting to think alike and post alike.  I'm getting scared now.

Thanks for clarifying.

Belle is beautiful!  Welcome to the cage.  Nothing to be afraid of except for Cindy, George, and Lee. 

Dolce, you are too young

Good Time Charlies Got The Blues

It was a great song

Hi Bellesmommy. :smt039

Thank you for the kind welcomes from everyone. ::MonkeyWink::

LAWRENCE KOBILINSKY

NANCY GRACE
Father of Casey Anthony`s Ex-Fiance Speaks Out
Aired September 22, 2008 - 20:00:00   ET

GRACE: Out to famed forensic scientist, Lawrence Kobilinsky at John J. College of Criminal Justice, who has now signed on to be a consultant to the Casey Anthony defense team.

You know, Kobe, I have been wondering, after knowing you all of these years, after reading your work and admiring you, why you were waffling around, slippy slidy, on a lot of questions I was asking you. Now it`s become apparent.

Now how do you plan to help the Anthonys on, for instance, these 71 years worth of fraud charges? What exactly forensically are you going to do on a bad check case?

LAWRENCE KOBILINSKY, FORENSIC SCIENTIST, CONSULTANT TO CASEY ANTHONY DEFENSE TEAM: Well, first of all, Nancy, I think you recognize that not only is this case that we`re discussing, Caylee Anthony, a forensic case dealing with physical evidence, but even the check fraud deals with document examination, handwriting analysis.

And that is not my expertise. I am here, I think, to talk to the public about forensic scientist in general. But to Mr. Baez, I think he, as a good defense attorney, is entitled to know what the science says. And I don`t make things black, white and white black. But I have to give him the best that science can.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0809/22/ng.01.html

Welcome MONKEYSm don't bite hard great to have you!! ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::

Hi, Bellesmommy!

Oh you just waite...I am gonna pop up and surprise you with an old-timey post!  I am still workin on what it will be, but you just waite!!  (Don't go holding your breath though)

I like that song... ::MonkeyDance::

Hey now, I bite, and sometimes its hard...Specially with you Monkey's throwin banana bread, chili, and grilled cheeses around!

Kobe sold out!  That doesn't surprise me,  he's been on NG hemming and hawing for a couple of weeks now.
Wonder if Nancy will keep him on now.  He sure won't be giving any straight answers. ::MonkeyNoNo::

Danny O'Keefe 1972

Young, pretty, and a baby bump

You have it all Dolce

Thank you MSE.

Janet

Welcome, and smoochies to the pretty babbbby in your avi!

So the text messages being released - would they be from the phone company and be the actual message or just who they went to?  Or would they be pulled from her phone, oh wait she lost the sim card.  I'm guessing someone has to go through and hide all the personal info before releasing, huh.  I can volunteer!

OMG thats exactly what I was thinkin too  ::MonkeyShocked::

hi bellesmommy!!

Oh thank you , and smoochies to your pretty baby as well. :2waver:

Yeah, I watched it again.  Mr Grund went on to say Casey told him she found "Zani" through Jeff Hopkins at Universal.

Aw thanks TommTomm  ::MonkeyTongue::

No one is answering there phones over at the Sentinal.  Sorry Monkeys, I tried.

I have to run for a bit, hope the documents are posted when I get back.

...and neither one cared

Heheeee another old song

Again... The mods on WS can kiss my ass. Seriously am I the only one that thinks its stupid to close the NG discussion thread until show time? I mean you can discuss the show description.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, we all know Dolce is young!   We lubs her anyway!!   ::cartwheel::::MonkeyHaHa::

WS

Now you are a Born Again Monkey

WS is not worth my time or trouble.

I like it right here in the Cage

SM is the BEST

I know, The Girl Can't Help It

She is funny though

Thank you!  That's my granddaughter, Avery Noelle.

another song, "Girl cant help it..she needs more." :smt034 :smt034

Thanks for catching that Nikki

Oops.  Screwed up the quote stack.

No way.  They liked her, they screwed her, and they dumped her when she started the clingy "I love you" crap after a few weeks.  Even Tony called her an "intrusion" which she made up for by cooking, cleaning, doing the laundry, and dancing on his pole.

That's from Bob Seager if you're wonderin, Dolce.  ::MonkeyCool::

i don't even like lurking on websleuths, it's confusing & ::MonkeyTongue:: the moderators suck IMO

OMG.  I am at work. peeking in.  I can't believe there are docs to be released.  Ohhhh I hope it is the paternity.

yea and if you say its stupid thay will ban you like they did me...i dont really care because they make it impossible to get anything done there...its just mods on a power trip...some of them have like 1,000,000 posts which leads me to believe they have no life...

I wouldn't give WS the satisfaction of kissin me arse!   ::MonkeyHaHa::

I don't think any paternity document's will be released.

::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::
Some people probably think I don't either ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

Switchy...the dancin on his pole made me pass red bull through my nose.  Thanks for that!  ::MonkeyTongue::

I thought that too.  Also, have you noticed how she using that phrase like "this wouldn't be happening" "shouldn't be happening"?  Everything in her world just happens.

I might be out of line here (if so, Mods please tell me), but I think this message board is dedicated to the discussion of missing persons and whatnot, not for bashing other forums and mods at other forums.

I've never been there, but I think there is a lounge or something around.

 ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyTongue::

Finally, one day when Casey came home from work to wait for Jesse and hang out with us, I kind of greeted her at the door with, What are we going to do about this baby-sitter thing? And she says, I found one. I have a nanny. Her name is Zanny, and I got her from Jeffrey Hopkins, who has a son named ...

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0809/22/ng.01.html

[/quote]


Thank You...I don't have TV so I have to wait for Carpe to youtube it and I couldn't stay up last night...so only have other posters to get info.

The other night someone posted abortion instead of adoption (which was correct) and one word or sentence miss-quoted, changes the meaning. (for me anyway)

Thanks Again

You're right.  Thanks for the spankin too!

all we were saying is that cared monkeys is 10 times better...its not like anyone went on a tangent.

Does (sniff) no one know the (sniff) answer to my above question (sniff, sniff), or are y'all just ignorin' me?  ::MonkeyWaa::

I'll bet if I was a young

(http://sockmonkey.us/wp-content/uploads/2008/04/2381604242_551114013d.jpg)

like Dolce, y'all wouldn't ignore me this way.  ::MonkeyTongue::

Switchy, if you don't mind me asking, what do you do for a living?  You seem to have a lot of legal knowledge.

Good Grief, Switchy, there has only been 3 or 4 sentences on that subject! We have been discussing the case!

Switchy - yes you are correct. I was waiting to see if the discussion continued then I was going to put a halt to it.  Sometimes attempts to stopping the posts end up causing even more discussion.

Spanking and red bull!  Sounds dirty.   ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

chloroform can be easily made on your kitchen stove with 2 household cleaners and a few minutes of heat...

Heheheeee

BT you made me LOL, that's what makes this board special.

It is my understanding that dental supply place sell it.
You must have the proper insurance to purchase it. HazMat rule.

I'm retired from the USAF where I worked corrections and mental health.  I'm a paralegal now.

BT, I believe it was reported on NG that one of the producers was able to order chloroform online very easily.

Thanks, bananajam. I was thinking, though, that someone said this was a "pure" form that wouldn't have been made from household cleaners.

Wow!  You step out to go get some lunch and you come back to a crap load of oldies!  LOL  I told my driver to turn on the oldies station...it was really old oldies though..like Cher and those California Dreamin people. Did not hear Willie Nelson.

Thanks for sharing.  I'm former USN (occupational safety & health) and now I'm a legal assistant.  I've never worked in criminal law and would love to for the DA.  I couldn't see myself working for a defense attorney.

BT, here is a good link on how to make it at home

MATERIALS           -BLEACH OR POOL SHOCK (LIQUID)
-ACETONE (NOT NAIL POLISH REMOVER)
-ICE!!  LOTS AND LOTS OF ICE.

EQUIPMENT            -MISC. GLASSWARE


http://www.sci-spot.com/Chemistry/chloro2.htm


Please DO NOT attempt this. For INFO ONLY

Good Mornin mis and Monks!  I just listened to Dana's show..

my thoughts~~~~~~~~~~~

I am not sure I am convinced that cindy choked casey...I want to know WHO TOLD THIS TO LP

Obviously JB is preparing his defense for murder or manslaughter by hiring the forensics expert....the same one that has been on NG show for a couple of weeks now. ummmmmm how long has he been talking to JB cause it seems lie he ahs been trying to undermine the forensic finding for several weeks.

Tim talking to CA doesn't mean she has accepted Caylee is deceased. Tim is very cool and calm and collected when dealing with families.

Also the Zanny name came up when Mr. grund was about to confront Casey about them being her baby sitter. I think she pulled that name outta the hat from the book and used it then....and is conveniently using it again.

There seems to be an online push to change the face of the Anthony's....example our COLT character..... Geroge was accusing the TV stations of hiring protesters.....now it seems the PR firm is hiring people to post online to put a mask over the very ugle face of the Anthony's as we have seen it.  Bottom line is Caylee is still missing, presumed dead and the Anthony's are worried about their public profile.

Oh goodness...they just like makin fun of me cause I am not hip to the lingo! 

Here is where I'm going with the chloroform question...

I'm leaning more toward the idea that Casey did use chloroform to keep Caylee quiet because Casey had plans and didn't know what else to do with Caylee. Then, she used too much and Caylee died.

For the death to have happened that way, though, the chloroform would had to have been readily available to Casey, like stored somewhere that she happened to remember, etc.

It was cheap too, IIRC.  Something like $60 for a liter?

From Topix:

Breaking news
WFTV Channel 9 reporting from the new documents: Tony L told LE after July 5 Casey would wake up in the middle of the night sweating profusely and very nervous. When he asked her what was wrong she said she was having nightmares about "their relationship."
Lee told LE the family immediately suspected Caylee was dead when they got the car back from the towyard. The odor was so strong it went over the garage in waves.

http://www.topix.net/forum/county/orange-fl/T4UHQV6DMIUFOA9C5/p1886

monkey whistle

It can be made, purchased online with ease apparently, or she may have found it. Maybe her friends used it to get high. The web searches will tell more of the story. IMO I don't see her making it though. She doesn't seem like the thrifty/crafty type.

Those California Dreamin people?  OMG I'm gonna wet myself. 

Maybe not the ones you've been playing with  ::MonkeyEek::

 ::MonkeyLaugh::

Welcome, BellesMommy!

Uh oh...Tomm, you gotta throw your computer away now!

Newly-Released Documents In Casey Anthony Case Reveal New Details

http://www.wftv.com/video/17538584/index.html

Thanks Klaas.  Sorry I stepped on your toes.  Having been through some tremendous board wars in my day I'm probably overly sensitive.

Sorry if I offended anyone.

I believe Red said it best in response to a FP comment last night ...

"You are are a guest in my home".

Willen ... the dynamics in regards to expectations differs within the walls of every home.  You have a choice prior to visiting my home ... respectfully conform to my expectations whether you agree or not or ...

Willen ... I have felt burned in the past in regards to forums.  I gave my time and shared my research and then ...

However ... when is all is said and done ... I entered that domain on my own free will and ... I contributed on my own free will.  NOBODY FORCED ME!

Am I making sense.  I feel like I am babbling.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Janet

OMG!!  Thats the proof its been a cover up from the get-go!!!!! 

Sorry for my posts Klaas, I noticed you were giving spankings.  I will be good. (Unless I get made fun of  ::MonkeyTongue::)

ok i just looked it up and the chemical compound is the same as long as you heat the ingredients and extract the pure stuff from the cookware....i think what ng was saying is that the chloroform that was found was NOT the result of an accidental mixture of cleaning products in the trunk...

Thanks to bananajam and everyone who replied about the chloroform. It looks as if it wouldn't be too difficult to make it, but I swear I'm having a hard time picturing Casey mixing the chemicals herself.

Ok I know this is way off topic and they cleared the back yard with a search but the hit with dogs on the back yard still bothers me.
Could it be possible the body was moved there and then washed,maybe with pool water? I know family members used to wash and prep there own deceased and sometimes its done as a last act of careing for a loved one. Maybe they were trying to reduce the odor. Probably just a weird thought.

http://www.wftv.com/news/17538105/detail.html

State Releases New Documents In Casey Anthony Case

POSTED: 11:50 am EDT September 23, 2008
UPDATED: 12:45 pm EDT September 23, 2008


ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. -- The State Attorney's Office has released nearly 600 of pages of documents in the case against Casey Anthony, the mother of missing 3-year-old Caylee Marie.

The documents, including interviews with family members and other investigative material, are released as part of discovery, which is procedure where the state releases information to defense.

According to the newly-released documents, Lee Anthony said Casey's mother was immediately worried about Caylee's wellbeing because of the smell from the car Casey had abandoned that "went over [their] garage like a wave." Lee also said Casey said her mom constantly reminded her of what an unfit mother she is.

Lee told investigators that his mother, Cindy, had said that Caylee was the best thing that happened and actually the worst thing was that Caylee was actually Casey's mistake.

Investigators interviewed Casey's boyfriend, Tony Lazarro, who said sometime after July 5, at least a couple weeks after Caylee disappeared, Casey would wake up sweating and tell him she was having nightmares, but she told him the nightmares were about their relationship

Does anyone have the link to the documents? Are they gonna be available like the 400 Pages?

TIA

WHAT! ::MonkeyShocked::

So, from what I heard, they are all active participants in a cover up for Casey

Now what is LE wating for?  ::MonkeyConfused::

thanks mrs....I can't wait to see these new documents...gonna go get a couple extra printer cartridges TODAY!!

"There seems to be an online push to change the face of the Anthony's....example our COLT character..... Geroge was accusing the TV stations of hiring protesters.....now it seems the PR firm is hiring people to post online to put a mask over the very ugle face of the Anthony's as we have seen it.  Bottom line is Caylee is still missing, presumed dead and the Anthony's are worried about their public profile."


See now this is not fair, I do support Cindy and George Anthony I don't believe their is a "cover-up" although some of their actions are questionable.  But now that I read this it just confirms to me what I have noticed in the last couple of days.  Anytime someone says they support G&L or try to defend something they have done those posters are questioned, and deemed to be one of the Anthony's or hired by the PR firm.  So now that this is out is their any hope for a poster who supports the Anthony's not be questioned as having alterer motives?

Thanks mrskub. Now to get my monkey paws on the documents ...
They knew all along. They knew. They know.  ::MonkeyShocked::

The news report also mentions that Cindy was constantly telling Casey that she was an unfit mother.

http://www.wftv.com/news/17538105/detail.html

i agree but since it is so easily made, she could have gotten it from a number of people, or stole it even...i heard a rumor that chloroform is used when making certain drugs...

Okay, some human part of Casey comes out while she's sleeping.  She was having nighmares about Caylee.  I wonder if she's still having them?

That was hilarious!!  ::MonkeyLaugh::

Over 500 Pages Of Evidence Against Anthony Released

POSTED: 11:41 am EDT September 23, 2008
UPDATED: 12:19 pm EDT September 23, 2008
[
Nearly 600 pages of discovery evidence against Casey Anthony was released by the state attorney's office on Tuesday.

Casey Anthony is the mother of missing toddler Caylee Anthony.

Among other discovery evidence, the material contains depositions and phone and text messages.

Meanwhile, a local lawmaker wants to put some new rules in place to keep protesters away from the Anthony home in East Orange County.

Neighbors are pushing for an injunction to force protestors to stay in an empty lot, and not in front of the family's house.

Orange County commissioner Linda Stewart said that if that doesn't pass, she has another plan: Enact a curfew on the neighborhood.

Stay with WESH 2 News at 4 and WESH.com for further details.

http://www.wesh.com/news/17537985/detail.html

They knew.  Why the heck didn't George call the police when he found the car in that state at the tow yard????  He takes it home and they clean it out and do laundry instead???  WTH?

Denial doesn't work in your sleep. I hope Caylee is haunting Casey's every moment, waking and sleeping.

i havnt seen any but i am willing to bet that there are places on the web in support of g and l....just not here, and its only because most of the posters here have been obbsessing on the facts surrounding the case and have logical thoughts in order...jmo.

Maybe so.  The night she was arrested she told Kristina she hadn't slept in four days.  I've always wondered why she wasn't sleeping.  Maybe the nightmares were keeping her awake.

I don't think they are available online yet.  YES, they will be available just like the 400 pages.

That most certainly could be something that Padilla's girl had witnessed.  Then encountered a cover up attempt by Cindy and George?

Ok I have always said that it was probably an accident. But after hearing Tony say that I am wondering if Csey was mad at Caylee because she was not able to go to NY with Tony and now she was having to stay with Amy (his sister invited her) Maybe in a rage she killed Caylee Kept her in the trunk the car goes to the tow yard Maybe Caylee is still in the trunk when George gets the car back he takes it in the garage when questioning casey they learn that she is still in the trunk.So they dispose of the body bring the car back in the garage and clean the car with the chloroform whoever had it maybe they researched it on the computer to see if it could actually work to remove the smell and DNA. Maybe Cindy was not in on it she was driving casey around to the police station so maybe that is when George or whoever started the cleanup.Geoege leaves the house afterwards Cindy comes back calls the police and after the call They had to tell her whathappened and that is why Cindy changed from dead body to pizza.. Not sure if it makes sense tho thinkin out loud

TY Klaas

O/T

New Photo Released In Case Of Missing Child Trenton Duckett

POSTED: 11:44 am EDT September 23, 2008

[
LEESBURG, Fla. -- There is new information in the missing child case of Trenton Duckett. Investigators released a computer-generated image of what the child would look like now.

Leesburg police and Josh Duckett, the child's father, have scheduled a Tuesday afternoon press conference to reveal new information about the case.

The toddler disappeared in 2006, after his mother, Melinda Duckett, said he was abducted. She later committed suicide.

http://www.wftv.com/news/17538070/detail.html

Wowzers!

And George didn't smell anything?

And we go back once again to Cindy's excited utterance during the 911 call -- smells like there's been a dead body in the damn car.

It is stuff like this that makes so many of us question GA, CA and LA. What do they know and when did they know it? Sorry. But this whole thing stinks. It's cover-up mode. It may not be "help with body disposal," but it's definitely a cover-up for Casey. IMO And NO I don't think I would do the same thing for my daughter because I wouldn't be able to live with myself.

 ::MonkeyShocked::

MSE ... have you heard back from the Sunsentinal yet.  If this publication is in possession of the 600 page document ... why have they not posted it?

Are Monkeys to be put through torture by being afford one little tidbit at a time?  Hey ...Tamikosmom wants the entire buffet.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::


State Releases New Documents In Casey Anthony Case
POSTED: 11:50 am EDT September 23, 2008
UPDATED: 12:45 pm EDT September 23, 2008

The documents, including interviews with family members and other investigative material, are released as part of discovery, which is procedure where the state releases information to defense.

According to the newly-released documents, Lee Anthony said Casey's mother was immediately worried about Caylee's wellbeing because of the smell from the car Casey had abandoned that "went over [their] garage like a wave." Lee also said Casey said her mom constantly reminded her of what an unfit mother she is.

Lee told investigators that his mother, Cindy, had said that Caylee was the best thing that happened and actually the worst thing was that Caylee was actually Casey's mistake.

Investigators interviewed Casey's boyfriend, Tony Lazarro, who said sometime after July 5, at least a couple weeks after Caylee disappeared, Casey would wake up sweating and tell him she was having nightmares, but she told him the nightmares were about their relationship.

http://www.wftv.com/news/17538105/detail.html

i was just wondering if it was jd that was here yesterday posting on what a great guy ga is...

 ::cartwheel::

Yes they did. Exactly why they didn't want Tim Miller to search.  And why they haven't done anything but swing hammers and bats in almost 100 days.  I hope they are all arrested soon.

Well, I think the docs they're releasing today will tell us a lot.  They're intentionally going back on statements they made to police.  Isn't that covering up?

Hi everyone!

Just catching up -- is this 600 new pages of docs, on top of the 400 that was released already?  Anyone know?

Yes these are new and we are all waiting for the link...I wish they would hurry up!!!

Wow.  This is going to be some interesting reading.  Perhaps we should each take 25 pages and do a synopsis!

I will wait to read the docs before I declare everyone in the family of a cover up. 

http://www.local6.com/video/index.html

Play video on the far right hand side "600 Pages Of Documents Released In Caylee Anthony Case"

Hi, Dolce.  If you don't mind, what do you mean by "we all know where Zanny the Nanny comes from?"  Are you referring to the Xanax thing?  Someone posted about the book, Double Trouble Squared but that didn't come out until May 2008 so that wouldn't have been where she came up with the name in April 2006.  It just bothers me because the Grund men SEEM honest but maybe they really are just helping the defense.  Seems like a lot of names to throw at someone while in the doorway.   ::MonkeyNoNo::  TIA! 

I support the Anthony's as well. Cindy and George. I watched House last night and he mentioned the 5 stages of grief Sorry I do not remember what they were in order.. What we have been seeing for the last few weeks is  the anger and denial.

 Let me also say if people were throwing things at my house I would be darn angry. I would be spraying them with the water hoses also.

In my mind I know Caylee is dead and yet I also keep praying I am wrong. So denial.

At the end of the channel 9 broadcast, they said that they include pics... was the first pic that she held up a dog?  Looked like a bloodhound or a spaniel or something like that...

That Kinko's that the reporter was in front of is making a couple bucks off these copies I bet...

I have a feeling tomorrow's meeting between Casey and Baez will be a bit strained.

LOL  I am brought back to my days of college...English 101 with the synopsis..good idea though!
We monkeys would tear through that in no time!

If George had not been on the police force ... I would have considered that his words had some validity in regards in his assumption that Casey had run over a dead animal.  Has anyone every run over a dead skunk.  Whew!!  We could not completely get rid of the odor for weeks.

I suspect that when George went into the trunk of Casey's vehicle on June 24th to retrieve a "wedge" ... he immediately recognized the odor as a decomposing body.  He then put two and two together ... Caylee was not with Casey that day and ... Cindy and him had not seen Caylee for nine days.  George confronted Casey!

Janet
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NANCY GRACE
More Tot Mom Party Photos Released
Aired August 4, 2008 - 20:00:00   ET

GEORGE ANTHONY: It was an overpowering smell, I`ll admit that.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: At first glance, you thought this may be the smell of a body.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0808/04/ng.01.html


Ockham's Razor

You must never fail to adopt the simplest idea as your working hypothesis. If necessity demands, you can dump it later when you have more data, but only because it is no longer the simplest idea" or "entities should not be multiplied beyond necessity.


1.  June 16th ... Caylee loses her life through gross neglect or an impulsive action and ... her body is placed in the trunk of Casey's vehicle.
 
2.  June 17th ... Casey Casey spends the day contemplating what to do with her daughter's remains.  She drives to a secluded area near the airport to look it over.  She only spends ten minutes in the area.

3.  June 18th ... Casey backs her vehicle up to her parents' home ... borrows a shovel from a neighbour and buries Caylee in her parent's back yard ... the spot where the dog/s hit on.

4.  June 24th ... Casey returns alone to her parents home ... confesses everything to her father.

5.  June 25th ... George Anthony retrieves Caylee's remains; places her in Casey's trunk  and ... moves his grandaughter to another location.

6.  June 26th ... George and Casey give the trunk of the vehicle a good cleaning using a product that contains colorform.

7.  June 27th ... Casey abandons the vehicle.

Please check your monkey mail, Klaas!

Nah. Baez knows all about these. He requested them under discovery and that's why we get them. Once they are entered into discovery, they become public information.

The book actually has a publication date as far back as Nov 15, 1991.  So Casey might have read it as a child and that is how she pulled the zany the nanny outta her a$$ so easy.
http://www.amazon.com/Double-Trouble-Squared-Starbuck-Adventure/dp/0152241272/ref=si3_rdr_bb_product   That is a link I posted - there might be even earlier editions.
As to this: According to the newly-released documents, Lee Anthony said Casey's mother was immediately worried about Caylee's wellbeing because of the smell from the car Casey had abandoned that "went over [their] garage like a wave.
Cindy, if you are reading this makes your action of washing the pants a knowing attempt to cover up.  I see more weight loss in your future! 

The Five Stages of Grief:

Denial (this isn't happening to me!)
Anger (why is this happening to me?)
Bargaining (I promise I'll be a better person if...)
Depression (I don't care anymore)
Acceptance (I'm ready for whatever comes)

To those who support the Anthonys, I know you do so from the goodness of your hearts.  It's wonderful that we can all come together in spite of our differences for the same purpose...to find the truth about what happened to Caylee.  I do hope the Anthonys are seeking professional psychological help, because whether they are involved in Caylee's disappearance, a cover-up or just having to live with the idea that their daughter may have caused their granddaughter's death, the certainly need it.

Hi donut!  I do not mind in the least...I was referring to the drug Xanax as that was the drug that Jesse supposedly had been taking. 
Not sure how to take the Grund men yet.

Dad said last night he heard of Zanny what in 2006?? Someone had to be watching her kid for 2 years they were so many times in 2 years that Caylee was not with Casey I wonder who was watching her and why they have not came forward

Thank You MrsKub

after that doc dump - I doubt you will see that money grubbing p*ssy Lee again.

 ::cartwheel::

Switchy

Your wishful thinking ...

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Janet

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Over 500 Pages Of Evidence Against Anthony Released
POSTED: 11:41 am EDT September 23, 2008
UPDATED: 1:11 pm EDT September 23, 2008

Nearly 600 pages of discovery evidence against Casey Anthony was released by the state attorney's office on Tuesday.

Casey Anthony is the mother of missing toddler Caylee Anthony.

Among other discovery evidence, the material contains depositions and phone and text messages.

Meanwhile, a local lawmaker wants to put some new rules in place to keep protesters away from the Anthony home in East Orange County.

Neighbors are pushing for an injunction to force protestors to stay in an empty lot, and not in front of the family's house.

Orange County commissioner Linda Stewart said that if that doesn't pass, she has another plan: Enact a curfew on the neighborhood.

Stay with WESH 2 News at 4 and WESH.com for further details.

http://www.wesh.com/news/17537985/detail.html

I thought it was established that the chloroform was in pure form and could not have been a part of a product such as a cleaning solution?  Has that ever been verified?

The other thing that bugs me is that if Casey abandoned the vehicle after cleaning it and did hope it would be stolen, as some have suggested, why would she leave her pants (that were so dirty that Cindy cleaned them) in the car?

Hopefully the forthcoming documents will offer some answers and not more questions!

Don't beat around the bush, Rob.  Tell us what you really think. 

I'd be interested to know if anyone in the family might be charged with accessory after the fact. Not saying they will be or should be, just throwing it into the cage. 

ACCESSORY AFTER THE FACT - Whoever, knowing that an offense has been committed, receives, relieves, comforts or assists the offender in order to hinder or prevent his apprehension, trial or punishment, is an accessory after the fact; one who knowing a felony to have been committed by another, receives, relieves, comforts, or assists the felon in order to hinder the felon's apprehension, trial, or punishment. U.S.C. 18

http://www.lectlaw.com/ (http://www.lectlaw.com/)

Okay if there really is a cover-up, why haven't LE arrested them?  We are going to get these docs today , but LE has had this info for what 2 months now?  Why wait to arrest them on any charges relating to a cover-up?

Yeah but if the car was cleaned before she dumped it why was the smell of decomp so strong? IMO it hapened after they got it home and that is wht it was parked in the garage..after they cleaned it the parked it outside when LE came

Only thing I can think of is they are waiting on a body.  Murder 1 instead of Manslaughter.

The phone and text messages should take up about 300 pages of it.  lol

Because this is about finding CAYLEE'S body and not about convicting those responsible YET.

I dont think it has ever been established all we really no is that it was in the car and there were web searches..

I am as excited as a kid in a candy store!!  Release the docs!!!   ::MonkeyTongue::

I would think they would want to make an arrest for murder before they arrested someone for helping to cover up the murder.  JMO

Hopefully the docs will include when the computer searches for chloroform took place.

It's not fair??  uummm you have your belief and I have my....I don't say you are wrong or unfair...you support Goerge and Cindy if you wish...but please don't tell me I am unfair because I don't.

http://www.topix.com/forum/source/orlando-sentinel/T8SDS5J7GE3OB3P18

Have you seen this myspace comment that Casey left Lee?

Apr 18, 2007 3:04 PM
"mom & i officially taught caylee how to take shots ;)"

 ::MonkeyEek::

There are some other interesting comments as well.  ::MonkeyConfused::

Still doesn't explain why LE have stated G & C are not suspects in the investigation.

 ::MonkeyShocked:: Haven't seen him in days.

IMO, they'd charge Casey with murder first and then move on to the other crimes - if there were any. The accessory after the fact I mentioned above might be hard to prove definitively. Personally, I don't think anyone helped conceal the body. I think instinct told everyone of them the truth the day they brought Casey's car home from the towyard. Then the question becomes: did they change what they were saying and doing to fall more in line with Casey's defense and less in line with finding Caylee? And yes, IMO, they did.

I sincerely HOPE so...I hope she never has another good night sleep for as long as she may live.

They haven't said Casey is a suspect either! Semantics.

The cops have always said that the Anthonys were fully cooperating. They never said they were suspects.. OR that they were cleared of/from being suspects.  ::MonkeyWink::

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Janet

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NANCY GRACE
Anthonys Clash With Protesters Outside Home
Aired September 18, 2008 - 20:00:00   ET

GRACE: ... Not only that -- out to Leonard Padilla, bounty hunter out of Sacramento, California, scheduled to meet with investigators tonight. Mr. Padilla, we have combed through this thick stack of phone records, Casey Anthony`s personal phone records of her cell phone. That is all complete BS, complete, total. Not a shred of it is true. Not one phone call -- and it`s about an inch thick -- not one call in here is to a Zenaida Gonzalez. There`s no incoming call from Zenaida Gonzalez, not on that day, not on any day.

LEONARD PADILLA, BOUNTY HUNTER: That`s absolutely correct. She just, you know, made this person up.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0809/18/ng.01.html

Thanks! 

As an aside...I probably should have come up with a better screen name...not sure that being called "donut" is a good thing.  Especially an old, stale one.  LOL.   I should have went with something like FreshCupcake...then I could be sassy and cute. ::MonkeyHaHa::

Wonderful...thank you for posting this...I hope this new informatin will lead to his recovery!!

At least nobody called ya "Nuts"  ::MonkeyLaugh::

What, read what I wrote. 

I would suggest they get more then one officer to patrol their house tonight if these doc's are as juicy as the media is making them out to be. 

Yes they have.

Mmmmm... I could go for a fresh cupcake...
or even a day old donut!!

Speaking of!!!

KLAAS!  This is a job for POPCORN KITTY!!    Where is that cat???

Do you have a link or source for that? I've only seen POI.

I thought I heard on NG that they changed Casey from a "person of interest" to a "suspect." Could be imagining things.

 ::MonkeyEek::

I haven't been able to access the WFTV website for a little while now.  I wonder if they are uploading the docs or have already linked to them and that's why their site is slow or impossible to access right now?

Good point!   ::MonkeyHaHa:: 

That is her mind...unconscious mind....that shows that she has a conscious...that means she is just a horrible person!

jenn... IMO what is not fair is for the Anthony's to have knowledge of all that is about to be released and all that has been released and to allow their skanky-ass daughter to sit in her room night after night ,refusing to say a word about where Caylee is....all the while knowing she is probably laying somewhere not so cosy decomposing.... that is what is not fair IMO

sounds likely ...

Oh my. I cannot believe some of this is for real. Especially, Lee's statements. What on Earth changed these people from realizing the truth to the state they're in? This is awful.

There are a lot of things that are not fair, I am glad people are taking the oppurtunity to take my statement and spin it.

They haven't charged Casey with murder yet either. Give them time.

 ::MonkeyEek::

KLAAS!

I see you!!

We need Popcorn Kitty!!!

Pretty please??!!

 ::cartwheel::

They are trying to hold off on arresting her for murder in hopes of finding the body.From the date she is arrested on murder charges the state only has so much time.... can't remember the time frame and I am only on here for a short lunch break.....to take the case to trial.....and you better believe that without a body, Baez will push for that speedy trial!!!!

Ok see this is an instance where I would bite!  Cupcakes, popcorn, donuts!!! 

We need to have a pajama party tonight and read these documents.  These little tidbits are driving me nuts!

AMEN to that!

Over 500 Pages Of Evidence Against Anthony Released

POSTED: 11:41 am EDT September 23, 2008
UPDATED: 1:55 pm EDT September 23, 2008

Nearly 600 pages of discovery evidence against Casey Anthony was released by the state attorney's office on Tuesday.

Casey Anthony is the mother of missing toddler Caylee Anthony.

Related Content: Video | Special Section


http://www.wesh.com/news/17537985/detail.html



Among other discovery evidence, the material contains depositions and phone and text messages.

A woman who answered the phone at attorney Jose Baez's office on Tuesday said Baez was not in and she's referring all media calls to his spokesperson, Todd Black.

In a telephone interview, Black said the discovery evidence released by the State Attorney's Office Tuesday contains nothing new and, therefore, Baez is not going to comment on it. Black went on to say Baez received his copy of the evidence on Monday and that if there had been any new, condeming evidence against Casey, "she wouldn't be sitting at home right now" free on bond.

Black also said a third party has provided the funds to hire an independent investigative team to chase down leads regarding Caylee's whereabouts. Black said due to confidentiality agreements, he would not reveal the identities of the members of the investigative team or the location they're operating out of. He said the team will focus on looking into leads he believes the Sheriff's office has ignored.

Meanwhile, a local lawmaker wants to put some new rules in place to keep protesters away from the Anthony home in East Orange County.

Neighbors are pushing for an injunction to force protestors to stay in an empty lot, and not in front of the family's house.

Orange County commissioner Linda Stewart said that if that doesn't pass, she has another plan: Enact a curfew on the neighborhood.

Yes, I agree. And I believe they have three months.

Thank you Da Wench.

I honestly think they started out wondering but then got pulled into Caseys lies and wanting so desperately to believe her. I do not think it is a knowing attempt on there part. I think they are in that denial because otherwise Cindy is going to feel the guilt of the argument that took place on the 15th of June. Like someone on here said about their BIL kicking there daughter and baby out and the baby died.

Cindy and George are still praying Caylee is alive.

Black said due to confidentiality agreements, he would not reveal the identities of the members of the investigative team or the location they're operating out of.

mc donald's in murfeesboro! ::MonkeyHaHa::

iirc - 90 days speedy trial -- could be wrong

Anyone see anymore big withdrawls from ABC's corporate account??

I contend that someone in that family knows exactly where the body is.. exactly. It's either George or Lee and I lean toward George.

The problem most young killers run into is they have loose lips and almost feel compelled to tell someone. As we all know Casey is closest to Lee. I'm not including a young potential serial killer here.

I also contend that George's lies surrounding that incredibly ridiculous gas can story is simply cover for his culpability.

While telling everyone to get off their collective asses and search for their missing granddaughter, the Anthony's themselves have done ZERO searching. They contended that Caylee was alive and they newest document dump confirms the beliefs of many on this board.

No need to search when you already know the outcome.

1+1 = 2 and always will.

From Natisha Lance, Nancy Grace Field Producer
12:06 PM ET - New documents released from state attorney's office. 591 pages of depositions and text messages released today. I have been told by the sheriff's office that there are some contradictions with statements family members gave to investigators behind closed doors and what they have been telling the media.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/09/08/NGfindcayleeblog/index.html

Hi Rob...I agree....but I sure would like to know where he has been hiding out lately AND with WHOM!!

Thought it was something like that, but wasn't sure.... I know it is not that long of a time...

Wow they are really just pulling at every last straw.  One would think that with this release and those opening lines from Lee about the smell everyone would see the cover up.  I guess ignorance is running ragged in Orlando.

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

http://www.law.com/jsp/article.jsp?id=1119270949494 (http://www.law.com/jsp/article.jsp?id=1119270949494)

Under Florida's rules of criminal procedure, every person charged with a felony must be brought to trial within 175 days. If that doesn't happen, a defendant may file papers to force a trial that must then occur within 15 days, or the charge will be dismissed.

The same rules let defendants demand a speedy trial within 60 days of indictment. If a defendant is not brought to trial within 50 days of the filing of that demand, he may file notice that effectively sets a 15-day period in which a trial must be held, or the charge will be dropped.

Florida's new law, originally H.B. 285, creates a process by which a state attorney can file a demand for a speedy trial if the state has met its obligations under the rules of discovery and the court has granted at least three continuances, or delays, over the objection of prosecutors. Before such a demand can be filed in a felony case, though, 125 days must pass from the day that formal charges were filed and the defendant is arrested. For a misdemeanor, that time limit is 45 days.

When a state attorney files a speedy trial demand, a judge must schedule a calendar call within five days to set a trial date. Trial must then commence "no sooner than five days or later than 45 days," although the law allows for further postponements if a "necessary" witness failed twice to show up for deposition or a defense lawyer withdrew due a conflict of interest or other "good legal cause."

While I have not been one, up to this point, to think anyone of the other family members was involved, I might be changing my mind. And your theory makes sense. Plus, it explains why Lee would suddenly go from helping to not, and Cindy would change, too (finding out Dad might also go to jail would do the trick.)

I thought she was still just "a person of interest" and not officially a suspect.  But it is hard for me to keep up when I'm supposed to be working.  ::MonkeyConfused::

YOU read what I wrote since you are a supporter of the Anthony's can you say you have been treated unfairly here.... ::MonkeyWink:: there is always HOPE!!

I little more on the stages from Wikipedia. I have seen a few of these from the Anthonys already. Also, I am making myself remember that they are grieving the loss of Caylee and Casey. Which one is Casey in? Permanent denial? Or none? 

-- Begin quoted material
The stages are:
1. Denial: Example - "I feel fine."; "This can't be happening."'Not to me!"
2. Anger: Example - "Why me? It's not fair!" "NO! NO! How can you accept this!"
3. Confusion: Example - "Just let me live to see my children graduate."; "I'll do anything, can't you stretch it out? A few more years."
4. Depression: Example - "I'm so sad, why bother with anything?"; "I'm going to die . . . What's the point?"
5. Acceptance: Example - "It's going to be OK."; "I can't fight it, I may as well prepare for it."

Kübler-Ross originally applied these stages to any form of catastrophic personal loss (job, income, freedom). This also includes the death of a loved one, divorce, drug addiction, or infertility. Kübler-Ross also claimed these steps do not necessarily come in the order noted above, nor are all steps experienced by all patients, though she stated a person will always experience at least two. -- End quoted material

 ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::

I was hoping the documents would be out.I have to leave for about 2 hours I am going to be so behind!!!!!!!

I don't think Casey is in any of those stages, as those stages are all emotions and I don't think Casey is capable at this time of feeling any emotions...

Heheeeee

Welcome back Carpe, missed you this morning

What a job, you never need to provide results, just hang out all day

Cubbee at least I will not be alone in being behind when I return!
We can catch up together. ::MonkeyWink::

 ::MonkeyRoll:: ::MonkeyRoll:: are you feeling combative today or just........nevermind

I thought so too, wench. I asked for clarification but haven't gotten anything yet.

I have a big house just outside of Denver and all monkeys and monkey babbys (and babby bumps) are welcome.  We'll eat junk food, have a few drinks(after the babbys are asleep) and pour over all the documents.

That'll work..... ::MonkeyWink::

Hi Cubbee! you got that right..... ::MonkeyDance:: and JB is already preparing her defense for murder or manslaughter.....HE KNOWS!!

Hi ya Sunny, ya know this is one of the more interesting developments in the last 10 or so days.

Mr. High Five vanished like a donation fund.

Can someone tell me where it says that Cindy grabbed Casey's neck on the night of the big argument before Casey and Caylee left home?

And we can draw straws for snuggle partners on our nap mats...

Did they not change her status to "suspect"??? 

HEY SUNNY!!!! I agree.... he knows and is getting ready for that trial...

::MonkeyCool::

Oh yea the neighbors are gonna love having a curfew ::MonkeyTongue::

Wacky...

My original post said...

Swing by Dolce's on your way home...

We'll have a PJ wearing, deposition reading, Cosmo drinking monkey gtg...

(I'll bring the Citron!)
 ::MonkeyWink::

LP said it on Dana's show last night you can listen or download it here...
http://scaredmonkeysradio.com/

The loaded gravey train has arrived at its destination ... Station Anthony.  I wonder where it originated and ... how many stations it stopped at and ... how many cars were added along the way.

Janet
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Over 500 Pages Of Evidence Against Anthony Released
POSTED: 11:41 am EDT September 23, 2008
UPDATED: 1:55 pm EDT September 23, 2008

A woman who answered the phone at attorney Jose Baez's office on Tuesday said Baez was not in and she's referring all media calls to his spokesperson, Todd Black.

In a telephone interview, Black said the discovery evidence released by the State Attorney's Office Tuesday contains nothing new and, therefore, Baez is not going to comment on it. Black went on to say Baez received his copy of the evidence on Monday and that if there had been any new, condeming evidence against Casey, "she wouldn't be sitting at home right now" free on bond.

Black also said a third party has provided the funds to hire an independent investigative team to chase down leads regarding Caylee's whereabouts. Black said due to confidentiality agreements, he would not reveal the identities of the members of the investigative team or the location they're operating out of. He said the team will focus on looking into leads he believes the Sheriff's office has ignored.

http://www.wesh.com/news/17537985/detail.html


Questions Surround Who Cashed In On Caylee Anthony Video
POSTED: 4:54 pm EDT September 11, 2008
UPDATED: 5:06 pm EDT September 11, 2008

ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. -- Eyewitness News is following the money in the Caylee Anthony case, both the money Casey Anthony is charged with stealing and the money someone in the Anthony family may be making from home video obtained by ABC's 20/20.

Every day, Casey Anthony leaves her parent's home and is driven to her lawyer's office in Kissimmee by one family member or another and then driven back home. Casey's lawyer says he's being paid, but won't say by whom, and now Eyewitness News has learned that someone in the family might have gotten a big paycheck because of the tragedy.

The home videos of Caylee Marie Anthony celebrating a birthday and swimming in the backyard pool, which appeared exclusively on ABC News, have captured the hearts of many (See Images | Watch Raw Video). But they are also raising questions now over whether the network paid for them, how much it paid and to whom.

There are reports that ABC possibly paid $200,000 for licensing rights to the videos. On Thursday, ABC News told Eyewitness News, "ABC News licensed footage and photos from rights holders. We do not discuss the details of our licensing agreements."

Eyewitness News has learned only four people would have access and or rights to the family videos and photographs: Caylee's mother Casey, Caylee's uncle Lee and her grandparents, Cindy and George Anthony.

Through their Orlando attorney, Mark NeJame, Cindy and George strongly deny having anything to do with the release and/or sale of the videos.

"Absolutely not. And anybody that would suggest such a thing is a damnable liar. They did not receive one penny. They did not negotiate or utter one syllable towards that," NeJame said.

Eyewitness News contacted Casey Anthony's attorney, Jose Baez, to ask if he or Casey has received any money from ABC for the videos and photos. His public relations firm refused to answer specific questions about the licensing fee but said, "The Baez law firm is focused solely on defending their client, not the commercialization of their client's missing daughter Caylee."

Baez's public relations firm said he's received offers for book and movie deals for more than a million dollars, none of which have been accepted. But, again, they won't answer specifically about licensing fees.

http://www.wftv.com/news/17451650/detail.html