SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2

[CapsLockWizard]

Good day Monkeys,

Paules van der Sloot worked or Joined Join Antonio Carlo house of legel business,

Question?

for which house of legal business or business partner did Paules v/d Sloot worked, for before joining Antonio Carlo.

this will give the "arawaks"

Research is on going.[/b]

quotes from Paulus, these are from the translated transcript of the NOVA TV interview, in Dutch:

T: Which function do you have here at the island? Because many storys go around about that. What is your function?

P: I am replacing a member of the joint court of justice of the Netherlands Antilles and Aruba and I am appointed for a period of three years, from 1/1/2003 till 1/12006.

T: So, you are replacement judge?

P: Yes

T: Do you know the people very well, for example the people here from the public prosecutors office that ordered your detention?

P: Yes for sure, because before that I have worked for eight years as chief of the cabinet of the prosecutor general.

T: So you also know the current prosecutor general?

P: Yes

T: Mrs Croes

P: Yes

T: Yes, and what does that mean when your colleagues stop by to arrest you?

P: That gives a feeling of absurdity, it is indeed almost unimaginable that by someone you actually know very well, where you worked together with for a long time, that that one comes to tell you that you are suspected of complicity to murder.

T: Who was that in your case?

P: That were, in this case, that was the leader of the team of police commissionars.

T: Jan van der Straaten

P: That was Jan van der Straaten, yes.

T: And you know each other very well?

P: Yes

http://www.scaredmonkeys.net/viewtopic.php?p=298327#298327

Thanks , It is a woman the "arawaks"

No no no, it is Jan van straten that he worked for.

[CapsLockWizard]

no van straten do not fit the arawaks but Mrs. croes does.

So finally it is mrs croes

[Pita]

And Dilma is Max's Mom!!!!  Go figure!!

FWIW, the name Vanessa is listed on the Lion's Club Roster as the lioness for Bibi Arends.
I have Dilma's husband as John Eloy Arends.

I've seen Dilma on TV.  The picture posted, if it is Max Arends and his family, did not have the Dilma, I saw, in it.

Thanks, Buckeye. I believe his mom's name is Vanessa.

Max with Opa: Myspace Picture Link

Opa's birthday party, Bibi y Vanessa Arends listed under pic here: http://happy90opa.com/index.html

Dilma and John Eloy Arends

[COLOMBO]

.......doesn't want to let the old man down

Are you saying Joran is taking the rap for his dad? 

who switched places

Is Joran taking the rap for Lorenzo?

close-who did JVDS switch places with?

[COLOMBO]

waltzed away-without his lineage

needs to sing to preserve his lineage

Please!! Do not confuse Simian with Shango...that makes my head explode and that is not a pretty site...one of my pet peeves there.  Simian waltzed...Shango tangoed. LOL

were they telling two completely different stories?   

[COLOMBO]

DEUTEKOM ....lol

From Deepak PV…6/13
To your question whether Joran is able to drive a car, I can say the following.

I know that he is able to drive a car. One time Joran drove my mother's car from the Marriot Hotel to my house. My mother has a Daewoo Nubira modell 1999. He also told me once that he had to drive for his mother, because his mother's foot had been hurting.

To your question what car the parents of Joran drive, I can say the following.

Joran's father has a red jeep and Joran's mother has a dark blue Hyundai jeep.

Satish 6/30
On your question if Joran can drive a car, I can explain to you the following:
I am certain that Joran can drive a car. Joran has in the month of March 2005, driven my mother’s car. Joran drove the car on that day from the parking place at the Marriott hotel to my house in Hooiberg. Then Joran was the only one in the car and he was drunk. (see note below)

On your question if Joran drove the car of its parents, I can explain to you the following:
I have never seen Joran drive the cars of his parents. You must ask Freddy if Joran drove the cars of his parents. The parents of Joran have two cars and they are a dark blue "Hyundai" jeep and a red car of which I now no longer remember what kind.


On your question if I know the name of Joran’s second brother, I can only give you the following answers:
Joran has two (2) younger brothers but I don’t know their names.  I think that Joran’s brother is fifteen (15) years old.

On your question if the fifteen-year-old brother of Joran can drive a car, I cannot answer that question.

On your question who can tell the truth to you, with the exception of Joran, Deepak and I, I can tell you the following:
Freddy is the person Joran confides in and he can tell you the truth.

On your question how often Joran has driven my mother’s car, I will explain the following:
Joran has only driven my mother’s car (1) time. I can say to you that I saw he did it well. I’m not aware of how Joran learned to drive a car.

Who's was the older blue Toyota the media chased PVDS into? I noticed an older blue Toyota in the story told by the Miraclist I'd seen posted a while back. Come to think of it, may also have been a few shivas in that story as well.

[Kermit]

Mum do you mean these?


from RWV #123 Natalee Holloway Chat

i saw him that saturday that's why, that was the 29th, but it's the 30th right? ...
i was just sitting around and remembered that :$ and i asked which casino because where
i saw him is very close to a casino, but the Seaport casino.

Posted by: Melody | Sunday, August 14, 2005 at 02:17 AM

i know for sure i saw him that saturday, i can swear upon it, i had a party to go to on
28th and next day i went to the movies where i saw him. i'm really sorry , i don't remember
the time, but it was before 12am for sure.

Posted by: Melody | Sunday, August 14, 2005 at 02:24 AM
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but Dan i SWEAR i saw him , he was standing alone leaning against a pilar.

Posted by: Melody | Sunday, August 14, 2005 at 02:26 AM
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man i'm confused i saw him the next day, the day after the party, and i know it was
the 28th (the party)

Posted by: Melody | Sunday, August 14, 2005 at 02:27 AM
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wait no... thank goodness for being as big of a girly girl as i am Daisy Smile ... i wrote down
the party and the movies because the movies was the first time me and my curent boyfriend
kissed :$ ... so i know for sure now.. i saw him the 29th! and before 12am. ... sorry guys,
don't get mad at me for being wrong ta first...

Posted by: Melody | Sunday, August 14, 2005 at 02:33 AM
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sorry :S ... it was on a saturday.. so you guys tell me which date then :$

and rock pier??? where's that?? is that the one next to the phoenix hotel??

Posted by: Melody | Sunday, August 14, 2005 at 02:38 AM
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Dan - i know my seeing him has no impact whatsoever. it was the first time i haven;t said
hi to him at all because of his face _expression and me being with someone else.... so i;m
sorry for not helping with any facts. but i asked for personal reasons :$ ... and no i
really don't have feelings for him anymore...

Posted by: Melody | Sunday, August 14, 2005 at 02:51 AM
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nonono annie... i didn't see him at the casino ... you see the casino is very VERY near,
like turning the corner on that shop and crossing the road... i saw him standing against a
pillar alone... but i didn't say hi to him since when he saw me his face turned into a
''hurt'' face, i thought it might be me walking with my now-boyfriend ... but that happened
Downtown... near carlos and charlies? yes... 3 min away by car maybe? i've walked it in
about 10 ??

Posted by: Melody | Sunday, August 14, 2005 at 03:00 AM

[Lala'sMom]

Kermit!!  Hey there!  Please explain to me how you found out about Freddy's apartment at 7A Catiri....please!  Thanks.

[Lala'sMom]

waltzed away-without his lineage

needs to sing to preserve his lineage

Please!! Do not confuse Simian with Shango...that makes my head explode and that is not a pretty site...one of my pet peeves there.  Simian waltzed...Shango tangoed. LOL

were they telling two completely different stories?   

What do you think?

[Lala'sMom]

no van straten do not fit the arawaks but Mrs. croes does.

So finally it is mrs croes

Perhaps you could explain why you have so many people that you are referring to as Arawaks....why isn't it just one definition for that term?  Why would Shango change the rules as he went along...how would anyone understand him if he did that?

[Kermit]

Pictured cutting the cake in the center are Editor-in-Chief Julia Renfro and General
Manager Grace Mary Maduro. Enjoying the celebration in the pictures include International
Editor Richard Brooks, Page Designer Dina Maria, Reporter Angela Munzenhofer, Aruba
Hoy Editor Benjamin Romero, Contributing Editors Annalisa Gesterkamp, Dilma Arends,
Tito Lacle and Photographer Lutico Hermans. Publisher John Chemaly Sr. and Managing Director John Chemaly Jr. would like to take this opportunity to thank the staff of Aruba Today for their hard work and dedication to Aruba’s largest English newspaper.
Photos by Debby Kelly

[Kermit]

Kermit!!  Hey there!  Please explain to me how you found out about Freddy's apartment at 7A Catiri....please!  Thanks.

Only if you put me on a stool with a bright white light bulb and you are with the Feds, then I'll squeal like a pig!

  Don't you think I look like Eric Williams in these glasses? Heh Heh.

[COLOMBO]

waltzed away-without his lineage

needs to sing to preserve his lineage

Please!! Do not confuse Simian with Shango...that makes my head explode and that is not a pretty site...one of my pet peeves there.  Simian waltzed...Shango tangoed. LOL

were they telling two completely different stories?   

What do you think?

I agree-you may be confused 

[Lala'sMom]

Kermit!!  Hey there!  Please explain to me how you found out about Freddy's apartment at 7A Catiri....please!  Thanks.

Only if you put me on a stool with a bright white light bulb and you are with the Feds, then I'll squeal like a pig!

  Don't you think I look like Eric Williams in these glasses? Heh Heh.

LMAO!!

[vms]

And Dilma is Max's Mom!!!!  Go figure!!

FWIW, the name Vanessa is listed on the Lion's Club Roster as the lioness for Bibi Arends.
I have Dilma's husband as John Eloy Arends.

I've seen Dilma on TV.  The picture posted, if it is Max Arends and his family, did not have the Dilma, I saw, in it.

Thanks, Buckeye. I believe his mom's name is Vanessa.

Max with Opa: Myspace Picture Link

Opa's birthday party, Bibi y Vanessa Arends listed under pic here: http://happy90opa.com/index.html

Dilma and John Eloy Arends

Thanks, Pita.

Father of Max = "Bibi" Maximiliano Francisco Arends 

Husband of Dilma = John Eloy Maximilian Arends
Link

[Buckeye]

Thanks Pita and vms.  I thought I was losing it. Dilma is not Max's mom.

[Lala'sMom]

waltzed away-without his lineage

needs to sing to preserve his lineage

Please!! Do not confuse Simian with Shango...that makes my head explode and that is not a pretty site...one of my pet peeves there.  Simian waltzed...Shango tangoed. LOL

were they telling two completely different stories?   

What do you think?

I agree-you may be confused 

Actually, I didn't say they were different...I was simply pointing out that you were mixing the verses is all.  Stop banging you head on that wall...you will get a bruise.

[Lala'sMom]

Thanks Pita and vms.  I thought I was losing it. Dilma is not Max's mom.

So how did Mum come to that conclusion?

[bleachedblack]

Actually I take it back there are some boats infront of the marriott. I don't know for who's use those are. But infront of fishermans huts and down near the pond nothing. Do you see the ones I mean?
http://member.telpacific.com.au/rolyroper/NataleeHolloway/photos/marriotbeachaerialh.jpg

OK we know Sanders was out on the boat that night we know he keeps his Dad's boat home by the house.

Here is boats docked my Marriott

Do we know he was out on the boat that night?

YES Sanders was <snip>
On your question if I had contact with Joran on May 29, 2005, I tell you the following;
I had telephone contact with Joran on May 29, 2005, this was around 11.00.

On your question about how the conversation went, I will tell you the following;
The conversation went that I asked him if he wanted to go out on my fathers boat.

He said that he could not go because he was going to play poker at the Holiday Inn. There is tournament each Sunday in aforementioned hotel and Joran participates almost each week in that tournament.

On your question what kind of boat my father has, I will explain to you the following:
It is a speedboat, of the make "Sea Pro".

It would seem to me to mean he was thinking[/b] about going out on his fathers boat. It sounds like yes indeed he was trying to get together with someone who wanted to go out on the boat with him. JMO

[MumInOhio]

Thanks Pita and vms.  I thought I was losing it. Dilma is not Max's mom.

So how did Mum come to that conclusion?

Angelaberdine..back on page 67…Sorry!!!

Snuff film. They killed her during sex. Max Arends, Lorenzo, Kalpoe 1 and Joran were
involved, but Joran left. He could not handle it. Holiday Inn

Lorenzo is Jaime. Max is in Florida according to Scubajap with his dad. Dilmo send him to
Florida because it was heating up? Watch Scubajap. May get you in a trap.


Posted by: angelaberdine | Sunday, August 14, 2005 at 05:11 AM

No, they are not two different people. Same one. Dilma's. Works with Scubajap at Bon Dia,
best friend of Jaime (a/k/a Lorenzo).

Posted by: angelaberdine | Sunday, August 14, 2005 at 05:31 AM


Dilma works at Bon Dia with Scubajap. Newspaper owned by the same frizzy head that owns
Aruba Today.

OK. I am outta here because I got this information from some Mountain Brook people. You
know those lying, drunks we talk about on here.

I am outta here, going back to Mountain Brook tomorrow to visit with some more liars, my
kids and grandkids.

Posted by: angelaberdine | Sunday, August 14, 2005 at 05:45 AM