Natalee Case Discussion #763 7/6 - 7/11

[carpe noctem]

This wa on Fok today 

OMG, are these people nuts?   

What is YES for 200, ALEX!


The only thing that I'm involved with that contains three letters is the TRIPLE A.

They will jump you off, and provide free roadside assistance, it's wunnerful. I have

been a member for years now.

Wasn't Briany banned for just being a 100 percent all the time

Kalpoe defending idiot?

[ldstlou]

Hey CBB!!! Haven't seen you in ages!!!!

Going to be college football time soon...can I have my Buckeye gear on?

[johan555]

RU dis-information campaign is getting around.

yes sure ldstlou

they post links like this on fok  the last time

http://www.refugeesunleashed (removed direct link to RU)

[klaasend]

RU dis-information campaign is getting around.

yes sure ldstlou

they post links like this on fok  the last time

http://www.refugeesunleashed (removed direct link to RU)

Up until the "confession" aired on TV, the Dutch sites like FOK were pretty much pro Joran or didn't care about the case at all.  It's been interresting to see, after the "confession" how many Dutch are now more interrested in the case and how many believe that Joran is guilty.

[ldstlou]

RU dis-information campaign is getting around.

yes sure ldstlou

they post links like this on fok  the last time

http://www.refugeesunleashed (removed direct link to RU)

not good...I can see how it could be misconstrued.

Hope you send a link to all the evidence we have on the case so they can see all the hard work and research that SM has done. Would hurt to send a link to the aruba crimes thread either.

[ldstlou]

RU dis-information campaign is getting around.

yes sure ldstlou

they post links like this on fok  the last time

http://www.refugeesunleashed (removed direct link to RU)

Up until the "confession" aired on TV, the Dutch sites like FOK were pretty much pro Joran or didn't care about the case at all.  It's been interresting to see, after the "confession" how many Dutch are now more interrested in the case and how many believe that Joran is guilty.

that is why I think those tapes Patrick did were a great service to Natalee's case. And for ONCE!!!! people got to see the REAL joran!!!

[ldstlou]

Here's a blast from the past...I had forgotten about joran's little freudian slip!!

In the PV from Jan van der Straaten of June 13 he writes about this:

On my question to Joran if he can tell what happened after the girl had
fallen asleep at the Fisherman's huts, he answers: I called Deepak and
he came with two dogs. I think he raped the girl and done something to
her.
On my question where the girl then is buried, he answers: I think she
is buried next to the Fisherman's Huts, other then that I would not
know.
I propose to Joran to answer the following question with just yes or
no.

I ask Joran if the girl was thrown into the sea?
He answers: No, I mean, I don't know.
During the conversation Joran shows his emotions, they differed.
Sometimes he cries, sometimes he is very direct in his answers. Joran also
indicated he felt very sorry for his family, and that he is having the
best contact with his father.
I ask him why he then has lied to his father about the Holiday Inn.
Joran answers on that that he has disappointed his father by doing so


http://www.google.com/search?q=+%22He+said:+Joran,+I+have+known+your+father+for+years%22

[caesu]

maybe already posted.

but OM is appealing in the Domino-case.

Mos wants the wire-taps to be accepted as evidence.
because Aruba is 'intended to' make these special investigation methods lawful.

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/printer_44302.php

[johan555]

Wasn't Briany banned for just being a 100 percent all the time

Kalpoe defending idiot?

Yes sure Cap  .
I think that her body is  in "the hooiberg area" under a new road or house
I added some "hooiberg" pics here
The Kalpoe's live close to the Hooiberg
And she start to attack me on fok ,so a Kalpoe defender idiot yes 

[ldstlou]

maybe already posted.

but OM is appealing in the Domino-case.

Mos wants the wire-taps to be accepted as evidence.
because Aruba is 'intended to' make these special investigation methods lawful.

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/printer_44302.php

huh...I thought they WERE accepted, was I wrong?

[carpe noctem]

I ask him why he then has lied to his father about the Holiday Inn.

Joran answers on that that he has disappointed his father by doing so


...........


He does that chit all the time, and it drives me BOO-COO WACKOOOOOOOOO!!!!

...because NOBODY EFFING EVER CALLS HIM ON IT, and simply says:


Jorannnnnn, that wasn't the question...

I will ask you the same question again...


He did the same thing to Greta over his gay little shoes that he never

wears any socks with.


(you know they b. stinkin' like a mo-fo)

[johan555]

sleuth or rob or klaas or blonde or carpe  etc .
 The building  on pic 1 were is  that lokation  on pic 2



pic 2

[ldstlou]

I ask him why he then has lied to his father about the Holiday Inn.

Joran answers on that that he has disappointed his father by doing so


...........


He does that chit all the time, and it drives me BOO-COO WACKOOOOOOOOO!!!!

...because NOBODY EFFING EVER CALLS HIM ON IT, and simply says:


Jorannnnnn, that wasn't the question...

I will ask you the same question again...


He did the same thing to Greta over his gay little shoes that he never

wears any socks with.


(you know they b. stinkin' like a mo-fo)

the question was mute anyway, both joran and van der straaten knew that paulus was there at the pool the next morning helping them come up with the story.

It was all just a song and dance.

I still lean towards vander straaten being the one who disposed of Natalee. Had to have been a cop. Only way they were able to stay one step ahead of the family.

Only reason van der straaten would be offering joran time in a mental institute in Holland instead of jail time.

[sirensong]

RU dis-information campaign is getting around.

yes sure ldstlou

they post links like this on fok  the last time

http://www.refugeesunleashed (removed direct link to RU)







I went to this link and read a bit, and this post just made me sick.  How can a country allow this to happen?


all10suspects Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 9:40 am   

http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archives/2008/07/automatic_prison_term_for_rape_1.php

Automatic prison term for rape: minister
Tuesday 01 July 2008

Convicted rapists and other serious sex offenders should always be given prison terms, justice minister Ernst Hirsch Ballin told judges on Tuesday.

The minister's statement cooincides with the case of an ex-policeman who was given 200 hours community service for abusing a 14-year-old girl last week.

Judges did not jail him, arguing he had lost his job and because police officers have a hard time in prison. The sentence, which was in line with the public prosecution department demand, created an outcry.

Hirsch Ballin told MPs on Tuesday that he will make it clear to prosecutors that community service is not appropriate for sex crimes. Other serious crimes, such as attempted murder, will also fall under the new guidelines.

Currently, community service is only supposed to be applied in exceptional circumstances, but research shows this is not the case, Hirsch Ballin said.

In 2006, community service was handed out to 54 people convicted of rape and to 225 people convicted of sexual assault, tv programme Zembla reported last year. In total, 883 people convicted of a sex crime were given community service. The Zembla investigation led MPs to demand Hirsch Ballin bring in tougher sentencing.

The minister said in his letter to MPs that the new rules would also apply to the sexual abuse of children on the internet.
---------------

So back in 2005 Joran would have only gotten community service if all he did was rape a passed out Natalee. So why did he get rid of Natalee
or made sure he was the last person to see Natalee alive? 

[caesu]

maybe already posted.

but OM is appealing in the Domino-case.

Mos wants the wire-taps to be accepted as evidence.
because Aruba is 'intended to' make these special investigation methods lawful.

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/printer_44302.php

huh...I thought they WERE accepted, was I wrong?

the were accepted by a the rechter-commisaris (examining judge?), but then got dismissed by the judge.

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_44112.php

[klaasend]

Johan - I don't know the answer to your photo question.  Just didn't want you to think I was ignoring you 

[ldstlou]

maybe already posted.

but OM is appealing in the Domino-case.

Mos wants the wire-taps to be accepted as evidence.
because Aruba is 'intended to' make these special investigation methods lawful.

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/printer_44302.php

huh...I thought they WERE accepted, was I wrong?

the were accepted by a the rechter-commisaris (examining judge?), but then got dismissed by the judge.

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_44112.php

gotcha thanks. Imissed that part.

What is up with the judges!!!???

[Blonde]

FYI

Sex-change surgery yearly on the rise in Thailand
10 Mar 2004

As the society in Thailand becomes more open to homosexuality and transsexuals, the number of people in Thailand (and coming to Thailand) to seek sex change surgery is on the increase year by year, medical experts at a Bangkok conference dealing with change operations for transsexuals in Thailand, said.

Although in Thailand there exists no official statistics of people seeking sex change operations, Dr Preecha Tiewtranonth, a well-known surgeon, said he was constantly getting more inquiries and performing more sex change operations year by year.

"The reason for this is that people feel more comfortable coming outside because nowadays the public society is much more accepting homosexuals and transsexuals," Dr Preecha Tiewtranonth said.

In some states of the United States and many countries in Europe, Dr Preecha Tiewtranonth says, sex change operations are even included in the country's healthcare and welfare system, because those more liberal foreign societies generally view people wishing to change their sex as having physical and psychological problems and differences since birth, rather than as sexual deviants.

On an average, more than 30,000 men per year in Thailand, seek an sex change operation to become a woman, whereas the average number of women who want to become men is only 1 in 100,000, Dr Thawatchai Boonpatanapong of the Rajavithi Hospital in Bangkok Thailand, added.


Girl Prostitutes make way more money then Boy Prostitutes


http://www.thaipro.com/thailand_00/254_transsexual-sex-change.htm

[caesu]

RU dis-information campaign is getting around.

yes sure ldstlou

they post links like this on fok  the last time

http://www.refugeesunleashed (removed direct link to RU)







I went to this link and read a bit, and this post just made me sick.  How can a country allow this to happen?


all10suspects Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 9:40 am   

http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archives/2008/07/automatic_prison_term_for_rape_1.php

Automatic prison term for rape: minister
Tuesday 01 July 2008

Convicted rapists and other serious sex offenders should always be given prison terms, justice minister Ernst Hirsch Ballin told judges on Tuesday.

The minister's statement cooincides with the case of an ex-policeman who was given 200 hours community service for abusing a 14-year-old girl last week.

Judges did not jail him, arguing he had lost his job and because police officers have a hard time in prison. The sentence, which was in line with the public prosecution department demand, created an outcry.

Hirsch Ballin told MPs on Tuesday that he will make it clear to prosecutors that community service is not appropriate for sex crimes. Other serious crimes, such as attempted murder, will also fall under the new guidelines.

Currently, community service is only supposed to be applied in exceptional circumstances, but research shows this is not the case, Hirsch Ballin said.

In 2006, community service was handed out to 54 people convicted of rape and to 225 people convicted of sexual assault, tv programme Zembla reported last year. In total, 883 people convicted of a sex crime were given community service. The Zembla investigation led MPs to demand Hirsch Ballin bring in tougher sentencing.

The minister said in his letter to MPs that the new rules would also apply to the sexual abuse of children on the internet.
---------------

So back in 2005 Joran would could have only gotten community service if all he did was rape a passed out Natalee. So why did he get rid of Natalee
or made sure he was the last person to see Natalee alive? 

it is not that all rapists only get community service.

Convicted rapists and other serious sex offenders should always be given prison terms, justice minister Ernst Hirsch Ballin told judges on Tuesday.

so it means that even offenders of sexual harrasment (not rape) should not get community service but always prison term.

[carpe noctem]

If I was interviewing Joran

none of my questions would be moot...

or I'd jump up and punch that lil' d. head in the face.


He needs to answer every question he is asked...

...and if he doesn't, it needs to be asked over and over...

until he finally answers.


What he has done to this family, it is just sheer terrorism. He's a pig!