Natalee Case Discussion #832 4/22/10 - 6/2/10

[2NJSons_Mom]

 

[texasmom]

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_71585.php

Google translation:

ARUBA
Driver fatality yet to
April 23, 2010, 13:18 (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY - The driver of the truck last Friday that caused an accident involving a cruise tourist was killed, is still in custody. The accident took place on the LG Smith Boulevard, near furniture Teak House.

The Public Prosecutor (OM) left this morning at this newspaper know that the driver had been drinking. The man will be brought in early next week, said spokeswoman Angela Ann. "The judge decides what happens to the man continued."

The driver of the truck came on the morning of April 16 collided with a quad racer, when two tourists were. The second person with serious injuries in an Air Ambulance brought to Canada. According to Angela, this person still alive.

The cruise tourists crashed was probably the twelfth fatal road accident this year. The 88-year-old Rafael Nadal would be the eleventh victim. He was on March 23 in Bolivia Street evoked by a car with serious injuries and was taken to hospital. There he was operated. On April 8, he died of complications from his injuries. The OM does not yet know whether these injuries are the result of the collision. The pathologist is still working on research, which may take weeks Angela. If that is the case, Nadal is the eleventh victim of movement this year. If not, then the hapless tourists cruising the eleventh.

 

[texasmom]

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_71588.php

Google translation:

ARUBA
Heavy penalty for bommelder Arkefly
April 23, 2010, 1:19 p.m. (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY / ENNIS - The 44-year-old Jorge Flores, Serapio was yesterday sentenced to two years and three months imprisonment, of which one year probation. He received this punishment for false bomb threat aboard Arkefly Flight 361 Amsterdam to Aruba on January 13. Net of custody must Flores is twelve months behind bars sit.

Irish media reported that Judge Donagh McDonagh had no mercy for the tears and apology from the offender. The judge was not impressed by the behavior of Flores. "Tears working for me." During the trial it became clear that Flores eighty previous convictions to his name, including drug offenses, assault and a "long list" of convictions related to traffic violations.

Mild punishment
when imposing the sentence the judge said that Flores 'reckless' was and is "unacceptable has misbehaved" by insulting and racist comments towards the crew. The fact that he made a bomb threat, exacerbated the situation greatly, said the judge. This was because the safety of passengers and crew are at stake. "Bomb on board an aircraft must now be taken very seriously, including in the courtroom." The sentence imposed by the court was still "mild". He added also admitted that Flores after serving his sentence as soon as possible the country should be deported.

According to reports in the Irish Times the incident arose from disagreements over drinks on board. Flores would have refused to pay 3.50 euros for a small bottle of wine. There was a quarrel with the man, who allegedly was drunk already, some crew members insulted. Then he said a bomb and threatened to blow up the plane. The pilot was forced to pilot a landing at the nearby Shannon Airport in Ireland, which Flores was beaten in chains. The device was found after investigation no bomb on board. The stranded passengers were flown by a second device further transported. Arkefly airline said the damage, estimated at over 2 tons of Florin, the offender would recover.

[texasmom]

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_71583.php

Google translation:

ARUBA
Coast Guard confiscates illegal traps
April 23, 2010, 13:17 (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY - The Coast Guard Wednesday afternoon during a patrol illegal nine cages (canasters) found. The traps were mounted under the sea buoys, close to the territorial boundary between Venezuela and Aruba. They are out of the water, seized and using a super-RHIB, a special unit of the Coast Guard, brought to the Centre for Aruba. The Coast Guard has recorded in minutes. The matter is further research.

[Tamikosmom]

REMINDER

THE INVOLVEMENT OF DEEPAK AND SATISH KALPOES

The Road Ranger Transcript:
 
JORAN:  Ok they (Deepak and Satish) have just dropped me off. They don't know anything further.

PATRICK:  So you never told these two (Deepak and Satish) anything?
 
JORAN:  Never, never, never.
_______


If Beth Holloway did not possess a foundational knowledge to support her contention that Deepak and Satish were deeply involved in the happenings encompassing her daughter's disappearance ... would she have made the following heart wrenching plea to all nations of the world not to provide the Kalpoes sanction?

Over one year following the "criminal" speech ... the mother of Natalee Holloway had not changed her position.

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THE SPEECH

'CNN Live Today' - July 5, 2005

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY’S MOTHER: It is now that I ask the world to help me. Two suspects were released yesterday who were involved in a violent crime against my daughter. These criminals are not only allowed to walk freely among the tourists and citizens of Aruba, but there are no limits where they may choose to travel.
 
I am asking all mothers and fathers and all nations to hear my plea. I implore you, do not allow these two suspects, the Kalpoe brothers, to enter your country until this case is solved. Do not allow these criminals to walk among your citizens. Help me by not allowing these two to get away with this crime.

It is my greatest fear today that the Kalpoe brothers will leave Aruba. I am asking the Aruban officials to notify the United States State Department in the event these suspects try to leave this island. I am asking all nations not to offer them a safe haven. I am asking this in the name of my beautiful, intelligent and outstanding daughter who I haven’t seen for 36 days and for whom I will continue to search until I find her.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0507/05/lt.03.html


Nancy Grace - August 26, 2006

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, MOTHER OF NATALEE HOLLOWAY: We`ve known from day one...

Deepak and Satish Kalpoe are way deeply involved in this.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0508/26/ng.01.html

[Tamikosmom]

http://leadercall.com/peopleandplaces/x993505143/Deadline-For-Women-s-Life-Conference-Registration-extended



April 19, 2010

Deadline For Women’s Life Conference Registration extended

LAUREL — South Central Regional Medical Center’s 21st annual Women’s Life Conference is set for Saturday, April 24 at Jones County Junior College.

<snipped:

Jones OnStage, the entertaining show choir of Jones County Junior College, will perform prior to the 2 p.m. keynote presentation by featured speaker Beth Holloway. Holloway, the mother of missing teenager Natalee Holloway, will present an inspiring message—one that has touched the hearts of women across America. “There is no way to fully comprehend what this family has gone through,” Vanderslice said. “Beth Holloway has made it her mission to travel the country and talk about women and safey. Holloway’s presentation at the conference will certainly be one that you will not want to miss.”

<snipped>

For more information about the Women’s Life Conference, call 601-399-0506.

Natalee Holloway: Lost in Paradise
TLC – 2010-01-17

Beth Holloway:

"What I can do is hopefully share some life lessons and prevent this tragedy from happening to another family.  So I stay focused on what I can do rather than what I can’t.  I can’t get justice for Natalee".

http://tlc.discovery.com/tv-schedules/special.html?paid=2.1213.56293


Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway

Page 189:   It's the proverbial, Biblical conflict between good and evil.  It's very, very hard to fight evil because it constantly changes form and you never know who your enemies are.  And evil is always two steps ahead. From the outset we never had a chance.  But we didn't know it.  I'm taking leave of the island, but not from the work yet to be done.

Page 208-209:  The goal of education is twofold: to bring a message about personal safety to high-school and college students and to educate travellers.

Bad things happen everywhere.  But the difference we need to consider when something bad happens outside the country is the help available for the victims and their families.  When we leave these borders, we leave behind all the privileges and rights we're all accustomed to and often take for granted.  We have expectations that there will be a safety net of law-abiding official, no matter where we travel, or that our US embassy will come to our rescue.  But that's terribly naive ...

I just accessed an email that was sent to me sometime today.

Apparently ... it is not too late to register for this conference.   However ... it will have to be done through the telephone number provided in the above article.

Maybe a guest in the rafters would be interest ... a guest living in the Jones County Junior College area.

I am sure hoping that at some period in time Beth Holloway will be booked for a speaking engagement in our area.  I would be willing to travel south to the Seattle/Portland area.  Hubby and I could touch base with friends who reside in both locations.

Janet

[Tamikosmom]

Hi Bearlyhere.

 

I am off the Haliegh thread and ... check for updates.

Janet
5:40 PM PT

[texasmom]

Truth & Justice for Natalee!

[Keepthefaith]

Hi-Ho,Hi-Ho,off to the hidey hole they go....

[Sleuth]

??

[Nut44x4]

  Klaas has a new job.

The photo of Beth is outstanding! She looks beautiful 

[Tamikosmom]

REMINDER

THE INVOLVEMENT OF PAULUS VAN DER SLOOT

The Road Ranger Transcript:
 
PATRICK:  But what about your father? When you came home?  He noticed nothing different about you?
 
JORAN:  My father was asleep. It was 3:00 am or 4:00 am.
________
 
PATRICK:  Did you put her in the sea, alone?
 
JORAN: Yes.
 
PATRICK:  Nobody helped?
 
JORAN:  Somebody, who I trust, I am not giving his name, not my parents, somebody I trustl.  I know people who could help me, I'm not naming names. It's not my parents, it was a friend, with a boat.
 
PATRICK:  I know that friend is your father. I know it Joran.
 
JORAN:  No, no, no.
 
PATRICK:  Why not? Why would someone say when he picks you up ‘you  must go to school’?  When you told me that, I know.
 
JORAN:  No.
 
PATRICK:  Look Joran, I told you from the start, hey I talked to my girlfriend about it,  y’know.  In the first place, I said to my girlfriend that if someone had to call me like that, I’d also help him.
 
JORAN:  Me too, me too, me too! But I’m telling you, Patrick, my father wouldn’t do that, and it’s  not so.
________


According to Aruban attorneys ... under Dutch law "serious/strong" suspicions are requirments for detaining suspects.  What was the foundation that authorities derived "serious/strong" suspicions from in the detention of Paulus van der Sloot as a suspect in the Natalee Holloway case?

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Judge arrested in Aruba case
Fifth suspect in custody after U.S. teen's disappearance
Thursday, June 23, 2005; Posted: 10:01 p.m. EDT (02:01 GMT)
 
The father was arrested at about 2 p.m. on suspicion of involvement in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway, an 18-year-old from suburban Birmingham, Alabama, said prosecution spokeswoman Mariaine Croes.

"At this point he's a suspect," Croes said. "There's a reasonable suspicion that he knows something and is involved in the disappearance of Ms. Holloway."

http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/06/23/aruba.holloway/index.html


Suspicions - Paulus van der Sloot - June, 2005

"Complicity to pre-meditated murder, complicity to kidnapping and murder and kidnapping."


NORAINA PIETERSZ

Associated Press- June 9, 2005

Under Aruban law, only serious suspicion from investigators — not solid evidence — is needed for a judge to rule that suspects can be held, (Noraina) Pietersz said.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8079019


ARLENE ELLIS-SCHIPPER

Nancy Grace - July 20, 2005

ARLENE ELLIS-SCHIPPER, ARUBAN ATTORNEY: There is no grand jury in Aruba. It`s a different system.  You are arrested based on suspicion, on strong suspicion.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0507/14/ng.01.html 

[Tamikosmom]

REMINDER

THE INVOLVEMENT OF PAULUS VAN DER SLOOT

Paulus claimed he left the casino during the Poker game prior to Natalee entering the establishment.  Why would he lie?  If there was nothing to hide ... why not admit that he had a short encounter with Natalee at the Black Jack table?  Why did Paulus attempt to distance himself from any connection to Natalee?

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Witness Statement - Paulus van der Sloot - June 18, 2005

On May 29th 2005, at approximately 16.00 hours, I went with Joran to the “Free Carribean Stud Tournament” in the Holiday Inn. During the break, at approximately 18.30 hours, I went back home. My youngest son Sebastian who was playing at a friends house was due to be dropped off at home around that time. Joran, with my permission, took over my seat because he had been eliminated earlier.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=237.0


Katherine (Madison) Whatley
FBI Statement - July 12, 2005

After swimming at the hotel on Sunday, WHATLEY and other classmates, including HOLLOWAY, ate dinner at a restaurant next to the hotel. After dinner they went to the casino at the hotel. A few classmates were gambling at a card table along with an "older man" and YURON VAN DER SLOOT. (Whatley 302)


Rita Cosby Live & Direct' - September 19, 2005

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY'S MOTHER: ..... I don‘t think there was ever a question that Joran and Paulus Van Der Sloot had been in that Excelsior Casino, and, particularly, on the night of the 29th where he and his father met Natalee.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9407728/


Dana Pretzer Show - December 14, 2006

DANA PRETZER: When you look at this case, a question keeps coming up. I am looking at the picture on my PC. It is the alleged picture of a person in the casino with Natalee that looks a lot like Paul. Has there been any update on this issue?

JOSSY MANSUR: There have not been any change of opinion. People, including people in the casino say that is Paul.

http://scaredmonkeysradio.com/2006/12/14/the-dana-pretzer-show-december-14th-2006-jossy-mansur/


The Lineup - June 9, 2006    

KIMBERLY GUILFOYLE: It has been one year since the disappearance of Natalee Holloway. Unfortunately we are left now with more questions than answers. What we do know is that Joran and the Kalpoe brothers were the last people seen with Natalee Holloway, which is the reason why they still remain to this day the main suspects in the case. As for Paulus, sources say he is the person next to Natalie in the casino.
 
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,198887,00.html


Rita Cosby Live & Direct - April 4, 2006

RITA COSBY, HOST:  John, first of all, is there a possibility that Paulus might have been talking to Natalee the night that she disappeared?

JOHN Q. KELLY, HOLLOWAY FAMILY ATTORNEY: Well, if you look at the surveillance video footage, it appears that he’s the one sitting directly next to her and tries to engage her in conversation a couple of times.

And it’s sort of ironic that it’s his father who brought his underage son to a casino and left him there after he left, with access to his line of credit, to put this unfortunate chain of events in process. ....

COSBY:  And did he ever say that he had talked to Natalee or not before? 

KELLY:  No, it’s never even been addressed before whether or not that’s Paulus in the videotape there sitting next to her.  And it certainly appears to be to me.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12150698/

 
ABC7CHICAGO - February 23, 2006

(Michael) Posner says it was he who voluntarily turned over this casino surveillance tape to Aruban authorities and that he is furious they have allowed ABC News to broadcast it.
 
http://abclocal.go.com/wls/story?section=investigative&id=3936339&ft=print


Paulus Van der Sloot and the Man at the Excelsior Casino … You Make the call
Posted May 9, 2007 by Scared Monkeys

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2007/05/09/paulus-van-der-sloot-and-the-man-at-the-excelsior-casino-you-make-the-call/

[Tamikosmom]

REMINDER

THE INVOLVEMENT OF PAULUS VANDER SLOOT

Beth Holloway alleged from the getgo that Paulus van der Sloot initially claimed that he had picked up Joran and others at the Palm Beach McDonalds at 4:00 AM on the morning that her daughter went missing.

Paulus denied Beth's allegation.  However ... the Superior Court panel of judges which deemed that Paulus's detention was justified affirms that he had originally declared the 4:00 AM pick up time.

Why did Paulus want to distance himself from all happenings that connected him to the missing American teenager?  It is said the lies are created to coverup the truth.  What truth was Paulus attempting to coverup?

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Superior Court - January, 2007
 
The possible involvement of Paulus that could then be deducted from the file with the official reports of witnesses, amongst which two people suggested a contact existed between Paulus and Natalee Holloway the night of her disappearance, and a taped report (that was given by the Prosecutor in her final note 1 to the Court). The taped information and his declaration that he picked up Joran and Natalee by the McDonalds Palm Beach and brought them to the Holiday Inn, are clearly understood by the Dept. of Justice, and could in the judgement of this Superior Court, be considered as an indication of the involvement of Paulus in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.


Paulus Van der Sloot
Suspect Statement
June 23, 2005
 
To your question whether I picked up Joran on the 30th of May 2005, in the early morning hours, I can state the following. I have previously stated that I had picked up Joran on Sunday May 29th at approximately 23.00 hours near Mc Donalds. Subsequently I woke up at that Monday morning at approximately 05.45 hours. In the hours between I had gone to sleep and I did not hear Joran leaving or hear him return home.


Paulus van der Sloot
Nova Interview (Twan Hys)
June 28, 2005
 
VAN DER SLOOT: During the session with the judge [5], it was told that the suspicion originated, because that Monday night, when so many people were standing there in front of the door, I allegedly declared that at four o'clock, I picked up Joran. And someone else, allegedly declared that I picked up Joran and Natalee., while my own declaration was, directed at police officers, that I picked up Joran at eleven o'clock at the McDonald's.


Rita Cosby Live & Direct' - March 21, 2006
 
BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, MOTHER OF NATALEE HOLLOWAY: ... And, you know, what Jug and I had discussed last night was that, you know, we go back to the very beginning. And that‘s the reason why Paulus Van Der Sloot was arrested in connection with Natalee‘s disappearance, because he had lied to the authorities by saying that he had changed his pickup time.
 
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11959619/
 
 
Nancy Grace - August 12, 2005
 
BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, NATALEE`S MOTHER: ... Paulus Van Der Sloot stated that he picked up at 4:00 AM on May the 30th. Then -- we don`t know who they were, but then even as far as June 16 and June 17, Mr. Van Der Sloot was still stating this 4:00 AM pickup. Only until around -- maybe it was when he was picked up or arrested did he change it to 11:00 PM that I had knowledge of.
 
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0508/12/ng.01.html
 
 
'Rita Cosby Live & Direct' - March 21, 2006
 
BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, MOTHER OF NATALEE HOLLOWAY: ... He had initially told the witnesses that he himself had picked up Joran Van Der Sloot at 4:00 a.m. on the night of the 30th. But he later changed it about three weeks into the investigation that he did not pick up Joran at 4:00 a.m. on the 30th.
 
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11959619/


Lt. Roland Tromp - Interrogator
CBS NEWS
August 5, 2005

Tromp, who declined to provide details about exactly what investigators believe happened to Holloway, said that Paul van der Sloot has also changed his account the night Holloway vanished. "Why should you do that if you are telling the truth?" he said

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/08/05/world/main763210_page2.shtml


Witness Statement - June 14, 2005
Name: Paul van der Sloot
Date: 14 June 2005 / 21:10
Pages: 2
Writer/Initiator: Roland Tromp
Description: witness statement

Witness Statement - June 18, 2005
Name: Paul van der Sloot
Date: 18 June 2005 / 18:30
Pages: 10 (1 Attachment)
Writer/Initiator. Roland Tromp/ Clyde Burke
Description: witness statement

[Bearlyhere]

Hi Bearlyhere.

 

I am off the Haliegh thread and ... check for updates.

Janet
5:40 PM PT

Hi Janet:

Sorry I missed this.   


I just want to comment on how great Beth looks.  Her smile is so relaxed, she has truly found her calling.  She knows she will one day be reunited with her beloved daughter, although I know she misses her greatly.  She brings Natalee's spirit with her wherever she goes.  She could have buried her head under a pillow for the rest of her life, I would not have blamed her one bit.  Instead she took the energy from her anger and channeled it for the good.  God Bless You, Beth!

 

[Bearlyhere]

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Sleuth, it is good to see you even though I missed you, we knew you were here.

 

[Bearlyhere]

Klaas has a new job.

The photo of Beth is outstanding! She looks beautiful 

 

[klaasend]

http://leadercall.com/local/x993512128/Weather-wrecks-havoc-on-weekend

Looks like the event was canceled due to weather:

April 24, 2010
Weather wrecks havoc on weekend

By David Owens, newseditor@laurelleadercall.com CNHI

LAUREL — 

The potential for severe weather today in the Pine Belt has canceled or postponed a number of events including the 2010 Women’s Life Conference.

(snipped)

[klaasend]

Hi Sleuth - good to see you!

Yes, they do use a bit of bandwidth but so do the animated avatars and the years of posts.   

[Tamikosmom]

REMINDER

THE INVOLVEMENT OF PAULUS VAN DER SLOOT

If Joran van der Sloot's words in the Range Rover confession reflect the truth ... his fathers only wrongdoing regarding the happenings encompassing the Natalee Holloway case was smuggling a cell to him while detained.

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Dutch Crime Reporter Peter De Vries Goes Inside Joran van der Sloot's Explosive Tape
Friday, February 08, 2008

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN, HOST: Do you think -- a lot of viewers send me e-mails. I have a -- we have a blog here, Gretawire.com, and they send a lot of comments. They're very suspicious that Paulus Van Der Sloot has more of an involvement than simply just the father of the man who was caught on tape.  Do you have any information that in any way incriminates Paulus Van Der Sloot?

PETER DE VRIES, DUTCH CRIME REPORTER:  Well, Joran told on tape that his father smuggled a mobile phone, a cell phone in the prison when he was the first time arrested. And he was a judge at that time, so that's -- that's a sin.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,329847,00.html


The Road Ranger Transcript:
 
PATRICK:  But what about your father? When you came home?  He noticed nothing different about you?
 
JORAN:  My father was asleep. It was 3:00 am or 4:00 am.
________
 
PATRICK:  Did you put her in the sea, alone?
 
JORAN: Yes.
 
PATRICK:  Nobody helped?
 
JORAN:  Somebody, who I trust, I am not giving his name, not my parents, somebody I trustl.  I know people who could help me, I'm not naming names. It's not my parents, it was a friend, with a boat.
 
PATRICK:  I know that friend is your father. I know it Joran.
 
JORAN:  No, no, no.
 
PATRICK:  Why not? Why would someone say when he picks you up ‘you  must go to school’?  When you told me that, I know.
 
JORAN:  No.
 
PATRICK:  Look Joran, I told you from the start, hey I talked to my girlfriend about it,  y’know.  In the first place, I said to my girlfriend that if someone had to call me like that, I’d also help him.
 
JORAN:  Me too, me too, me too! But I’m telling you, Patrick, my father wouldn’t do that, and it’s  not so.
________