Natalee Case Discussion #793 1/13/09 - 1/18/09

[jen3560]

Hi monkeys!

About the location of the trap that was found.  Would someone post a link or other info where it is stated that it was located close to a frequently dove on shipwreck.  I've seen the picture here:

http://nholloway.blogspot.com/search?updated-max=2007-12-07T09%3A03%3A00-05%3A00&max-results=7

but from what it states under that and the date of the post, I don't believe this is the actual location of the trap that was found.  This is the quote from below that picture.

http://nholloway.blogspot.com/search?updated-max=2007-12-07T09%3A03%3A00-05%3A00&max-results=7

The above image is a sample side scan sonar image to illustrate the type of imaging and resolution a high quality digital side scan sonar is capable of acquiring. A wreck (~150ft long 3-masted schooner) is laying upright on the seabed. The dark area to the left of the wreck is the acoustic shadow. A crab trap similar in size and character to the one we will be searching for thought to contain the remains is seen near the bow of the wreck, shown by the black arrow.

Any help with this is appreciated!

Back to work!   

Thank you texasmom - I would also be very interested in seeing this, as no one knows the exact location of where this cage was found (except Persistence crew, and Caps, if you believe he dove on it as he said)- so I'm curious as to who posted that to begin with?

[johan555]

The Antilla is located on the west coast not far from  Malmok Beach
And there was that cage also (in the same area )

[Edward]

From my understanding the stone can be used inside of a bait bag.
This bag "Denim"? is filled with fish to attrack crabs.. The rock holds the bait bag on the bottom.

[jen3560]

The Antilla is located on the west coast not far from  Malmok Beach
And there was that cage also (in the same area )

Thanks Johan - so there are plenty of nautical miles between Malmok and say the beginnings of the high rise hotels then.

Lots of distance there.

[johan555]

yes but there was also a Gottenbos (speed)boat not far from the FM huts

[sharon]

From my understanding the stone can be used inside of a bait bag.
This bag "Denim"? is filled with fish to attrack crabs.. The rock holds the bait bag on the bottom.

Interesting, Edward.

Where do they do it that way?

I've gone crabbing in Maryland and in NJ and have never seen that before.

I've never seen that done in lobster traps in South Florida either.

I'd like to learn more.
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[klaasend]

From my understanding the stone can be used inside of a bait bag.
This bag "Denim"? is filled with fish to attrack crabs.. The rock holds the bait bag on the bottom.

Interesting, Edward.

Where do they do it that way?

I've gone crabbing in Maryland and in NJ and have never seen that before.

I've never seen that done in lobster traps in South Florida either.

I'd like to learn more.
.

http://www.neptunemarineproducts.com/baitbags.html

This one is mesh which makes more sense to me than denim 



Here's another that as least closer to denim

http://store.vernondeon.com/index.php?opt=detail&ID=76&PID=5692

[johan555]

i think this is a crab cage

[jen3560]

The Antilla is located on the west coast not far from  Malmok Beach
And there was that cage also (in the same area )

I don't think this is anywhere near where the cage and remains were found.

picture - next to last row from bottom

DSC01316 - The above-water portion of the Antilla - a great Pelican perch
http://www.pbase.com/icicle50/aruba

the shallow waters a few hundred yards off the coast of Aruba, the wreckage of the German freighter Antilla can be found. ...
www.coldwarhistory.us/Exhibitions/History/Antilla_in_Aruba/body_antilla_ in_aruba.html  post #2   

arubalisaPlease do not try to swim the .40 mile to the Antilla snorkel for "x" amount of time and then swim back to shore against the wind and current.

The last person who I heard who attempted this was rescued via dinghy by a member of the Jolly Pirates crew who luckily for the snorkeler, happened to be nearby.snipped

http://www.aruba.com/forum/f10/snorkeling-antilla-32925/
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I do believe that the cage was found further than .4 of a mile offshore.  And in none of the video footage can there be seen this "above water" portion of the wreckage.

[jen3560]

yes but there was also a Gottenbos (speed)boat not far from the FM huts

Right!  It was docked right there next to the Mariott!

[johan555]

and this is the cage and wreck area ......... and the area of the "Gottenbos" house !!

[sharon]

Thanks klaas!

I've seen the mesh bags (not denim) -- I've never used them (or seen them) for trapping crab or lobster.

And for deep sea -- we just use that wierd fishing pole with a dozen hooks and catch us some 'bait' fish first before we go into deep water. 

[2NJSons_Mom]

From my understanding the stone can be used inside of a bait bag.
This bag "Denim"? is filled with fish to attrack crabs.. The rock holds the bait bag on the bottom.

Interesting, Edward.

Where do they do it that way?

I've gone crabbing in Maryland and in NJ and have never seen that before.

I've never seen that done in lobster traps in South Florida either.

I'd like to learn more.
.

The bait was always fastened to the middle of the trap with a clip or tied somehow when we 've gone.  It seems the bags are used in bait pots within certain traps (a cylindrical 'trap within a trap'). 

 

[jen3560]

Thanks klaas!

I've seen the mesh bags (not denim) -- I've never used them (or seen them) for trapping crab or lobster.

And for deep sea -- we just use that wierd fishing pole with a dozen hooks and catch us some 'bait' fish first before we go into deep water. 

 

[jen3560]

johan,

here's a trick to finding out where (approximately) the cage was found.

Find OE's post about when he's standing on the beach watching the coast guard ship.

Take note of where he's standing, which direction he's looking, and how he states that coast guard ship was relative to the trap.

And then look at the video from Dateline, to see approximately how far out they were from shore.

(btw, it was nowhere near the Antilla or Malmok, and further out than the .40 miles the Antilla is  )

[Edward]

Well I was suggesting "denim" could be used.. notice the question mark..

I think a person needs to think like a POOR Colombian fisherman and NOT a spoiled Rich American sport fisherman.. 
A old pair of blue jeans and you cut off the leg and tie both ends.. makes a nice bag that crabs cant rip up to easy..

Well anyways that is just my thoughts on it.. 

[bleachedblack]

I believe this boat is in the location of where the trap was found. This pic was taken from shore Palm Beach right near Fishermans Huts 12/08.

[bleachedblack]

Sorry if pic doesn't come out right, I am not so good at posting.

[2NJSons_Mom]

Sorry if pic doesn't come out right, I am not so good at posting.

I got a 'forbidden' notice...and tried to fix it, but that didn't work...I tried IMG tags....?

[klaasend]

i think this is a crab cage

Hundreds of different styles










http://travel.webshots.com/photo/2327223050059714458iaspwu