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4 Donks
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Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
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February 22, 2011, 10:52:55 AM »
Quote from: no rose colored glasses on February 22, 2011, 10:31:57 AM
Quote from: trimmonthelake on February 22, 2011, 09:42:33 AM
http://www.smh.com.au/world/zahras-father-relieved-to-avoid-charges-over-her-death-20110222-1b470.html
Zahra's father relieved to avoid charges over her death
Simon Mann HERALD CORRESPONDENT
February 23, 2011
Mr Baker, who met his wife on a website, and moved to North Carolina with Zahra in 2009, told WBTV: ''Elisa is very manipulative, um, abusive … to me. Very controlling.'' Explaining how he had not realised his daughter was missing earlier than October 9, he said: ''With work, I was gone first thing in the morning and didn't get home til late.
''was told that Zahra was in bed because Zahra normally went to bed early. I checked every night and from what I could tell she was in bed. It looked like she, something was in bed.''
Here we go, now let's start with the abusive that you took at Elisa's hands
, and the weird part is I bet he took abuse from her, loser momma's boy.
BBM
I think it was mutual abuse. Remember the pictures of EB with the black eyes and the reports of physical altercations outside the home. Too much evidence to make that claim. MOO
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Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
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February 22, 2011, 11:01:21 AM »
Quote from: 4 Donks on February 22, 2011, 10:52:55 AM
Quote from: no rose colored glasses on February 22, 2011, 10:31:57 AM
Quote from: trimmonthelake on February 22, 2011, 09:42:33 AM
http://www.smh.com.au/world/zahras-father-relieved-to-avoid-charges-over-her-death-20110222-1b470.html
Zahra's father relieved to avoid charges over her death
Simon Mann HERALD CORRESPONDENT
February 23, 2011
Mr Baker, who met his wife on a website, and moved to North Carolina with Zahra in 2009, told WBTV: ''Elisa is very manipulative, um, abusive … to me. Very controlling.'' Explaining how he had not realised his daughter was missing earlier than October 9, he said: ''With work, I was gone first thing in the morning and didn't get home til late.
''was told that Zahra was in bed because Zahra normally went to bed early. I checked every night and from what I could tell she was in bed. It looked like she, something was in bed.''
Here we go, now let's start with the abusive that you took at Elisa's hands
, and the weird part is I bet he took abuse from her, loser momma's boy.
BBM
I think it was mutual abuse. Remember the pictures of EB with the black eyes and the reports of physical altercations outside the home. Too much evidence to make that claim. MOO
Yeah..he checked every night my foot. He never even got close enough to the bed to realize she wasn't in it..didn't want to ruffle her hair, give her a gentle peck on the cheek? He is as full of it as THE WITCH.
It must have been like a horror movie living in that house..no hugs, no kisses, just verbal and physical abuse for poor Zahra. She is in God's arms now.
But those that abused her, hurt her, murdered her..every last one of them need to pay for it in this life..as well as the next.
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Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
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February 22, 2011, 11:11:36 AM »
Quote from: 4 Donks on February 22, 2011, 10:52:55 AM
Quote from: no rose colored glasses on February 22, 2011, 10:31:57 AM
Quote from: trimmonthelake on February 22, 2011, 09:42:33 AM
http://www.smh.com.au/world/zahras-father-relieved-to-avoid-charges-over-her-death-20110222-1b470.html
Zahra's father relieved to avoid charges over her death
Simon Mann HERALD CORRESPONDENT
February 23, 2011
Mr Baker, who met his wife on a website, and moved to North Carolina with Zahra in 2009, told WBTV: ''Elisa is very manipulative, um, abusive … to me. Very controlling.'' Explaining how he had not realised his daughter was missing earlier than October 9, he said: ''With work, I was gone first thing in the morning and didn't get home til late.
''was told that Zahra was in bed because Zahra normally went to bed early. I checked every night and from what I could tell she was in bed. It looked like she, something was in bed.''
Here we go, now let's start with the abusive that you took at Elisa's hands
, and the weird part is I bet he took abuse from her, loser momma's boy.
BBM
I think it was mutual abuse. Remember the pictures of EB with the black eyes and the reports of physical altercations outside the home. Too much evidence to make that claim. MOO
Then Adam knew full well what was going on in that house, and you would think there would be some evidence pointing to him.
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Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
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February 22, 2011, 11:23:30 AM »
Quote from: no rose colored glasses on February 22, 2011, 10:31:57 AM
Quote from: trimmonthelake on February 22, 2011, 09:42:33 AM
http://www.smh.com.au/world/zahras-father-relieved-to-avoid-charges-over-her-death-20110222-1b470.html
Zahra's father relieved to avoid charges over her death
Simon Mann HERALD CORRESPONDENT
February 23, 2011
Mr Baker, who met his wife on a website, and moved to North Carolina with Zahra in 2009, told WBTV:
''Elisa is very manipulative, um, abusive … to me. Very controlling.'' Explaining how he had not realised his daughter was missing earlier than October 9, he said: ''With work, I was gone first thing in the morning and didn't get home til late.
''was told that Zahra was in bed because Zahra normally went to bed early. I checked every night and from what I could tell she was in bed. It looked like she, something was in bed.''
Here we go, now let's start with the abusive that you took at Elisa's hands, and the weird part is I bet he took abuse from her, loser momma's boy.
Hmmmm. So, you bring your handicapped daughter to a different country and put her in the care of a new wife. The wife becomes manipulative, controlling, and even abusive to you. Your daughter is kept from enrolling in school so her life exists only through the wife and you......... and you go days with no contact in a small house with your daughter? The past interest that DHS has shown about the care of your daughter doesn't resonate with you? The abuse that others have witnessed just escaped you somehow? Zahra never mentioned the uphill runs to you? If not,
why not
?
This is BS. I don't care what the circumstances are, AB is guilty and he has Zahra's blood on his hands. JMO!!
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Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
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February 22, 2011, 11:29:51 AM »
Quote from: no rose colored glasses on February 22, 2011, 11:11:36 AM
Quote from: 4 Donks on February 22, 2011, 10:52:55 AM
Quote from: no rose colored glasses on February 22, 2011, 10:31:57 AM
Quote from: trimmonthelake on February 22, 2011, 09:42:33 AM
http://www.smh.com.au/world/zahras-father-relieved-to-avoid-charges-over-her-death-20110222-1b470.html
Zahra's father relieved to avoid charges over her death
Simon Mann HERALD CORRESPONDENT
February 23, 2011
Mr Baker, who met his wife on a website, and moved to North Carolina with Zahra in 2009, told WBTV: ''Elisa is very manipulative, um, abusive … to me. Very controlling.'' Explaining how he had not realised his daughter was missing earlier than October 9, he said: ''With work, I was gone first thing in the morning and didn't get home til late.
''was told that Zahra was in bed because Zahra normally went to bed early. I checked every night and from what I could tell she was in bed. It looked like she, something was in bed.''
Here we go, now let's start with the abusive that you took at Elisa's hands
, and the weird part is I bet he took abuse from her, loser momma's boy.
BBM
I think it was mutual abuse. Remember the pictures of EB with the black eyes and the reports of physical altercations outside the home. Too much evidence to make that claim. MOO
Then Adam knew full well what was going on in that house, and you would think there would be some evidence pointing to him.
I'm of the opinion there is probably some evidence pointing to Adam Baker at least having knowledge of what was going on in the home, but I'm wondering if there's just not enough to get a conviction. When there are two or more involved in crimes like what has happened to Zahra, I think it may get tricky and by trying to go after Adam without enough concrete evidence (conviction material), it could cause problems with the case against Elisa, and it wouldn't be good to see her case thrown out. I wonder if there will be more revealed that might eventually mean Adam Young being brought up on charges as Elisa's case goes to trial? It appears to me there are a lot of complications, and I wouldn't want to see anything compromised. One thing I would like to add is, if it bother me and others that Adam Baker may be getting away with crimes against Zahra, I think it would be immensely painful for law enforcement, investigators and others involved with solving the case and trying to bring justice. They have seen first hand so much more than we've been privy to at this point, and they were in the house and they were in the fields and they know what happened there. I think that it's a child (disabled one at that) that was abused and most likely murdered that weighs heavily on everyone. JMHO
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Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
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When Justice arrives on Zahra's behalf, may she be fierce to Elisa and Adam!
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Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
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February 22, 2011, 11:54:47 AM »
Quote from: MuffyBee on February 22, 2011, 11:29:51 AM
Quote from: no rose colored glasses on February 22, 2011, 11:11:36 AM
Quote from: 4 Donks on February 22, 2011, 10:52:55 AM
Quote from: no rose colored glasses on February 22, 2011, 10:31:57 AM
Quote from: trimmonthelake on February 22, 2011, 09:42:33 AM
http://www.smh.com.au/world/zahras-father-relieved-to-avoid-charges-over-her-death-20110222-1b470.html
Zahra's father relieved to avoid charges over her death
Simon Mann HERALD CORRESPONDENT
February 23, 2011
Mr Baker, who met his wife on a website, and moved to North Carolina with Zahra in 2009, told WBTV: ''Elisa is very manipulative, um, abusive … to me. Very controlling.'' Explaining how he had not realised his daughter was missing earlier than October 9, he said: ''With work, I was gone first thing in the morning and didn't get home til late.
''was told that Zahra was in bed because Zahra normally went to bed early. I checked every night and from what I could tell she was in bed. It looked like she, something was in bed.''
Here we go, now let's start with the abusive that you took at Elisa's hands
, and the weird part is I bet he took abuse from her, loser momma's boy.
BBM
I think it was mutual abuse. Remember the pictures of EB with the black eyes and the reports of physical altercations outside the home. Too much evidence to make that claim. MOO
Then Adam knew full well what was going on in that house, and you would think there would be some evidence pointing to him.
I'm of the opinion there is probably some evidence pointing to Adam Baker at least having knowledge of what was going on in the home, but I'm wondering if there's just not enough to get a conviction. When there are two or more involved in crimes like what has happened to Zahra, I think it may get tricky and by trying to go after Adam without enough concrete evidence (conviction material), it could cause problems with the case against Elisa, and it wouldn't be good to see her case thrown out. I wonder if there will be more revealed that might eventually mean Adam Young being brought up on charges as Elisa's case goes to trial? It appears to me there are a lot of complications, and I wouldn't want to see anything compromised. One thing I would like to add is, if it bother me and others that Adam Baker may be getting away with crimes against Zahra, I think it would be immensely painful for law enforcement, investigators and others involved with solving the case and trying to bring justice. They have seen first hand so much more than we've been privy to at this point, and they were in the house and they were in the fields and they know what happened there. I think that it's a child (disabled one at that) that was abused and most likely murdered that weighs heavily on everyone. JMHO
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Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
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have no fear,i truly believe, LE will get their man,
and he eat will eat his words
in jpg,i captured adam face b4 and after,the word murderer and no
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Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
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sorry forgot the links
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Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
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OMG - may have already been posted
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/02/21/stepmother-indicted-death-disabled-north-carolina-girl/?test=latestnews
Stepmom Indicted in Death of N.C. Girl as Autopsy Reveals Her Head Is Still Missing
Published February 21, 2011
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Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
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I have no crystal ball, but I believe he will be charged with something, even if it is child neglect or child abuse for allowing this to happen.
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February 22, 2011, 01:09:13 PM »
Quote from: klaasend on February 22, 2011, 12:32:37 PM
OMG - may have already been posted
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/02/21/stepmother-indicted-death-disabled-north-carolina-girl/?test=latestnews
Stepmom Indicted in Death of N.C. Girl as Autopsy Reveals Her Head Is Still Missing
Published February 21, 2011
I know, Klaas and it makes me shudder.
I can't get the Halloween picture of the house out of my mind. There was a skull prominently displayed on the porch.
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Quote from: CBB on February 22, 2011, 11:31:45 AM
When Justice arrives on Zahra's behalf, may she be fierce to Elisa and Adam!
Thank you for this CBB.
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Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
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Medical Examiner's report
http://www2.hickoryrecord.com/mgmedia/file/106/medical-examiners-report-zahras-remains/
Autopsy Report
http://www2.hickoryrecord.com/mgmedia/file/105/zahra-baker-autopsy-report/
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There is no way EB did this alone. She would have to dismember, clean up, paint and dispose of the mattress then go and dig holes and drive over 2 counties disposing of parts. All while AB was at work. To begin with EB wouldn't do manual labor because she is a user and has others do her bidding. I have to believe they are still working to find out all that are involved.
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Quote from: cw618 on February 22, 2011, 11:58:42 AM
have no fear,i truly believe, LE will get their man,
and he eat will eat his words
in jpg,i captured adam face b4 and after,the word murderer and no
Doesn't looking down and to the left signify lying ?
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Not surprising, but what I'm reading in the autopsy report it says that medical records were "scant" for Zahra. In other words, unless they're just saying they haven't received much, it implies that AB didn't take his daughter to the doctor often, although the records they do have don't show evidence of major medical problems at those exams.
Full autopsy report can be read here:
http://www2.hickoryrecord.com/mgmedia/file/105/zahra-baker-autopsy-report/
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Quote from: 4 Donks on February 22, 2011, 02:19:51 PM
Quote from: cw618 on February 22, 2011, 11:58:42 AM
have no fear,i truly believe, LE will get their man,
and he eat will eat his words
in jpg,i captured adam face b4 and after,the word murderer and no
Doesn't looking down and to the left signify lying ?
It's supposed to, yes. Upwards is trying to recall something. I can't recall what to the right means. Down I think could be shame or lying.
Personally, and this is just IMO, I think that the only really truthful thing that AB said was that it made him "Sick". That was a truly felt word, and I believe he meant it. I believe he meant it in a different way than he wants us to think, however. And I cannot shake the feeling that when he looks down, in his mind he is looking down at what he saw when he saw a dead and harmed Zahra. I absolutely can't unthink that.
I vacillate on whether or not I believe AB dispersed Zahra, but honestly seeing that the finds in the main grave were a full torso (minus much else), despite EB's determination and size I can't see how she managed to take that portion out of the trunk, dig the hole, and bury the torso (and, I believe, the head - explaining the small head-sized hole that was empty beside the main grave site). I don't believe for a second that he came up with the idea of separating her body parts, and I think that's where his truthfulness comes in for the key word for him "sick". I don't think he would have done that, or any of this, without EB. I believe him when he says that Zahra would be alive if not for EB. I believe him when he says she was manipulative - and I believe that subconsciously he finishes that sentence with "manipulative enough for me to follow her instructions as to what to do with the now-dead Zahra". I don't see how she would know how to run the wood chipper, which I think pretty much explains the missing hands and feet. NOt so much the arms, as the left arm was found dispersed, and I think that probably the other arm and legs are all in different places. I still believe the head was with the torso - because of that hole, but that scavenger animals did what they do. I don't believe she kept it as a token. I don't think she had to. I think she's the type that would be so insistent on covering her own arse that she wouldn't keep it. Now - if someone else helped her, maybe someone who cared more for Zahra... maybe they kept it, or went back and retrieved it. THe head is a very important part emotionally to people. (To me, too - that's the part that really just bothers me - the heart, and no sternum - as if she took the very soul and heart out of the girl, every bit that made her Zahra...... monster!!!!). But oddly, I don't think AB would have gone back for the head, or saved it. I would think it was someone else.
I wish they would find more evidence, could clarify the pings more clearly, that they could possibly bait EB into thinking that she'll stand alone for the charges and try to get more information out of her that way - like - where is the head?? Where were the upper arms and legs?? She knows this - she knows where they're supposed to be. They need to squeeze the information out of her. Or wring it. Or beat it.
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http://www.smh.com.au/world/zahras-father-relieved-to-avoid-charges-over-her-death-20110222-1b470.html
Mr Baker, who met his wife on a website, and moved to North Carolina with Zahra in 2009, told WBTV: ''Elisa is very manipulative, um, abusive … to me. Very controlling.'' Explaining how he had not realised his daughter was missing earlier than October 9, he said: ''With work, I was gone first thing in the morning and didn't get home til late. ''was told that Zahra was in bed because Zahra normally went to bed early. I checked every night and from what I could tell she was in bed. It looked like she, something was in bed.''
Did you ever think to go to the "something" you saw in the bed and give her a kiss? Your an idiot.
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Quote from: klaasend on February 22, 2011, 12:32:37 PM
OMG - may have already been posted
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/02/21/stepmother-indicted-death-disabled-north-carolina-girl/?test=latestnews
Stepmom Indicted in Death of N.C. Girl as Autopsy Reveals Her Head Is Still Missing
Published February 21, 2011
This makes my sick
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=> Morgan Dana Harrington, 20yrs missing VA Tech 10/17/09(BODY FOUND)
=> Hannah Elizabeth Graham missing since 9/13/14 Charlottesville, VA
=> Alexis Murphy, missing since 8/3/13 Charlottesville, VA
=> Samantha Ann Clarke 19yrs. old Orange Va. Last seen 09/13/10
=> Dashad Sage Smith missing since 11/20/12 Charlottesville, VA
=> Cassandra Morton 23, Lynchburg, missing 10/10/09 body found 11/29/09
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High Profile Crimes and Trials (not missing persons)
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=> Jodi Arias trial - for the murder of Travis Alexander
=> Trial of George Zimmerman - 2nd Degree Murder of 17yr old Trayvon Martin
=> Scott Peterson Appeal of Murder Conviction
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Missing, Exploited and True Crime
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=> Missing Exploited and True Crime
===> Missing Persons Forum
=====> Missing Found or Presumed Deceased
=====> Missing Found Safe
=====> Missing Endangered Runaways
=====> Resourses, Search Groups and Fundraisers
===> Crimes Against Children, Elderly and the Disabled
===> Crimes of Passion/Anger
===> Serial Killers and Their Possible Victims
===> Unsolved Crimes
=====> Finally Solved
===> Haleigh Marie Cummings - Florida
===> Adji Desir - Florida
===> Somer Renee Thompson 7 yo, Orange Park FL 10/19/09(BODY FOUND)
===> Tracy Ocasio - Orlando/Ocoee, Florida
===> Shaniya Nicole Davis, 5 Fayetteville, NC Missing 11/10/09(BODY FOUND)
===> Holly Bobo, 20yrs old missing Parsons, TN 4/13/11
===> Hailey Dunn - 13yrs old - Colorado City, TX missing 12/27/10 (Body Found)
===> Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (BODY FOUND)
===> Lindsey Baum - McCleary, WA 6/26/09
===> Amber Leeanne Dubois 14yrs old - Escondido, CA(BODY FOUND)
===> Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
===> Sandra Cantu, 8 years old - Tracy, CA(BODY FOUND)
===> Madeleine McCann - Portugal
===> Christine Marie Sheddy - missing since 11/13/2007 - Maryland(BODY FOUND)
===> Nevaeh Amyah Buchanan 5yr Monroe Michigan(BODY FOUND)
===> Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Tempe AZ-San Antonio TX
===> Stacy Ann Peterson missing & Kathleen Savio murdered - Illinois
===> Zahra Clare Baker - 10yrs old Hickory, NC (Body Found)
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Natalee Holloway
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=> Natalee Holloway
=> Important Case Documents
===> Joran Statements/PV's
===> Paulus Statements/PV's
===> Deepak Statements/PV's
===> Satish Statements/PV's
===> Misc Statements/PV's
=> LCD Archive
=> Shango/Simian and other Codetalkers
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Current Events and Musings
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=> Monkey Musings / Open Discussion
=> Pop Culture Main
===> Hugely Popular TV Shows
===> Movies and Television
===> Social Media
===> Music
===> Books
===> Scared Monkeys Radio with Dana Pretzer
=> Health and Medical Issues
=> Food and Product Recalls
=> News of the Day
=> Business News
=> Sports
=> Political Forum
=> Religion (discussion and debate)
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The Monkey Lounge
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=> The Monkey Lounge
===> Fashion & Decorating
===> What's Cooking? Recipes
===> Games
=> Inspirational
===> Memorial - Gone but Never Forgotten
===> Gratefulness - Light a Candle in Prayer
===> Inspirational scriptures, songs, stories and prayers
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Natalee Discussions (2005 ARCHIVE)
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=> Natalee Holloway
=> Theory and Speculation
=> Links and References Only
=> Natalee Breaking News Archive
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General Discussions (2005 ARCHIVE)
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=> News Issues
=> Chit Chat
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