Natalee Case Discussion #745 3/25 - 4/4/08

[wreck]

It is awfully quiet! For those of you that venture into "the darkside" -- are the Aruban regulars (Glenda/Julia, Purcell, etc.) posting anything??? Has Moonshadow posted since Joran's "confession."?

[Red]

Front Page post ...

Hey Aruba … No Body, No Crime, REALLY??? Jessica O’Grady Missing & Presumed Dead … Edwards is now serving 80 years to life

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2008/03/29/hey-aruba-no-body-no-crime-really-jessica-ogrady-missing-presumed-dead-edwards-is-now-serving-80-years-to-life/

No body, No Crime … Only in Aruba and when a crime is committed like in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway. In other places where people take crime seriously there are arrests, prosecutions and convictions made without a body all the time. Like in the case of missing Nina Reiser and her husband Hans Reiser who is presently on trial for her murder. Or in the case of Kendrick Williams as well.

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[CapsLockWizard]

I have the Arawaks key and all fits nice

Now a question

who was responsable to bring into aruba a new Hotel at that time. The government needed to put in their share but did not have the money. their was a diabolic scheme setup by the organisation that was to bring in the Hotel.

Need help here.

CAPS

[WhiskeyGirl]

Why is it so quiet? 

Could Joran be in hiding from the mobs, spectators, and law enforcement?

Is he in a dark hidey hole with his whereabouts known only to a few?  His face rarely seeing the light of day or another human?

Could someone on Aruba have connected the dots?  Now they need the players to come out of hiding?

Has Deepak and his quest $$$ made any headway in California?

[hotping]

I have the Arawaks key and all fits nice

Now a question

who was responsable to bring into aruba a new Hotel at that time. The government needed to put in their share but did not have the money. their was a diabolic scheme setup by the organisation that was to bring in the Hotel.

Need help here.

CAPS

Caps...Maybe this is what Your looking for...



Bleachedblack posted this a while ago in the NAH thread. Thanks BB.  This was posted by our friend Charles Croes back in March 2005. I was looking for it when Caps was posting about the Ritz and just now found it!

« Reply #180 on: January 26, 2008, 05:26:59 PM » 

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Interesting post , nothing more nothing less.........

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charlescroes
Tuesday, March 22nd, 2005, 05:10 PM
Just another Marriott money grab , hopfully it will take another 2 or 3 years or LONGER there is not a need for any more hotels, as it is now there are enough.

Just what Aruba needs is a Ritz hotel..


YOu have absolutely NAILED IT!! And the size of your hammer is substantial.

There are several consequenses to consider.

Hotel rooms need to be directly tied to air carrying capacity. If there aren't enough airline companies willing to committ to full year service, then you have a serious problem.
The Tax issue was a Tax Holiday. These are well and good when they start but can be a problem when they end. There is a track record of bad experience in this.
Last but (in my opinion) not least important, the amount of rooms that are currently owned by the Marriott out weigh the norm for an island this small. If for some unheard of and crazy reason, that company decided to pull stakes or make severe policy changes, an exceedingly high percentage of hotel employees are involved. Families and their car and home loans and so forth all will come into play. I recall a good saying about eggs and baskets. This kind of a situation could even give the hotel company (supposed to be in the lodging business) political power.
Put the RITZ Carlton in Tahiti and let's call it even.

These are just my opinions.
charles
arubafastphones.com

http://bb.visitaruba.com/archive/index.php/t-1809.html
 

[Rob]

I have the Arawaks key and all fits nice

Now a question

who was responsable to bring into aruba a new Hotel at that time. The government needed to put in their share but did not have the money. their was a diabolic scheme setup by the organisation that was to bring in the Hotel.

Need help here.

CAPS

Ritz Carlton backed out

[Rob]

I have the Arawaks key and all fits nice

Now a question

who was responsable to bring into aruba a new Hotel at that time. The government needed to put in their share but did not have the money. their was a diabolic scheme setup by the organisation that was to bring in the Hotel.

Need help here.

CAPS

Ritz Carlton backed out

The deal was $250 million IIRC

[Tamikosmom]

Why is it so quiet? 

Could Joran be in hiding from the mobs, spectators, and law enforcement?

Is he in a dark hidey hole with his whereabouts known only to a few?  His face rarely seeing the light of day or another human?

Could someone on Aruba have connected the dots?  Now they need the players to come out of hiding?

Has Deepak and his quest $$$ made any headway in California?

Monkeys ... stay tuned.

[CapsLockWizard]

So what is been said is that there is a struggle between the Mariotte group and the AHATA's

So who did backout, who said no deal when the money was not presenter. I know that Nelson Oduber wanted the the hotel so he will not say no.

[hotping]

CAPS...Try this link
http://scaredmonkeys.com/2006/07/11/ritz-carlton-to-aruba-no-incentives-no-deal-who-calls-the-shots-in-aruba/

[WhiskeyGirl]

A scary youtube -
http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=yc9j1kGxyoo&

"Joran Van Der Sloot Is A Shitheel!"
http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=gaVImfhmC3o&NR=1

I guess it's not about Natalee anymore...

[hotping]

Hi Red....Is there any word from the Houston Monkeys Yet? 

[mrs. red]

Hi Red....Is there any word from the Houston Monkeys Yet? 

there isn't..... I hope they email...

[CapsLockWizard]

I read the post and one more question

Who are these windsurfing group that heavely fight against this project.
Who represent them.?

If the money was not presented there was no deal.

So the money was not presented and no deal but some one know what was the plan to make the deal go trough and how to get the money.

and there was a punishment for not complying with the deal also.

[texasmom]

I read the post and one more question

Who are these windsurfing group that heavely fight against this project.
Who represent them.?

If the money was not presented there was no deal.

So the money was not presented and no deal but some one know what was the plan to make the deal go trough and how to get the money.

and there was a punishment for not complying with the deal also.

Caps, found this post by Klaas.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2539.80

Re: Natalee Case Discussion #715 1/25 -
« Reply #82 on: January 26, 2008, 12:20:32 AM » 

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http://www.aruba-bb.com/viewtopic.php?p=211157&highlight=ritz#211157

Aruba Will Receive A 190 Million Dollar Five Star Property


June 2nd 2005, Aruba.




(FYI - this is the exact same area that Joran said he left Natalee on the beach)
 
The yellow stipple line indicates the construction lot for Ritz Carlton
Aruba, the red stipple line the rearranged road towards Westpunt.



PALM BEACH- After a period of silence the government has announced the
construction date of a brand new luxurious hotel on the island. The first
construction stone of the Ritz Carlton property will be placed during a
ceremony on July 14th 2005. The ultra luxurious Ritz Carlton Hotel Aruba
will elevate the tourism product quality of the island. In view that there is
barely a low-season and many hotels on the island are constantly full, the
arrival of the hotel is definitely good news according to the government.
The government hopes that the arrival of Ritz Carlton will contribute
greatly to the economic development on the island.


The construction of Ritz Carlton Aruba is estimated at 190 million dollars.
The investors are Marriott International and Bazarian International, Ritz
Carlton will operate the property. Ritz Carlton has a few properties in the
Caribbean that include Montego Bay, San Juan, St. Thomas, Cancun and
shortly an opening of a property in Grand Cayman. The Ritz Carlton
Hotels & Resort is part of Marriott International Incorporated.

http://www.aruba-bb.com/viewtopic.php?p=233315&highlight=ritz#233315
Ritz-Carlton Coming Soon


July 25th 2005, Aruba.


ORANJESTAD-There has been a notable change of plans in the
Ritz-Carlton project that was set to start on July 14th. The construction
date was cancelled in so to avoid the project of being the subject of
political discussion so close to the parliamentary election in September
says Nelson Oduber, Prime Minister of Aruba. Oduber says that initially
Bazarian International wanted to realize the hotel project and have
Ritz-Carlton operate the property. Marriott International has now opted to
step out of that idea and wants to develop the hotel property
by itself in view of the good name of Aruba’s tourism product. At present
negotiations are being held between Carl Bazarian and Kevin Kearney
Chief Executive Vice President of Marriott Corp International Hotel
Development in handing over the project.


The Ritz-Carlton Aruba will be a five star hotel consisting out of 220
luxurious suites, 67 guesthouses and a casino. The project has a price tag
of US$ 190 million and will create 500 jobs on the island. The Ritz-Carlton
will not be granted a tax holiday, thus will pay property taxes to the
government of Aruba.


In 1995 Marriott International purchased 49 percent interest in
Ritz-Carlton. Three years later, that interest was increased to 99 percent.
At present there are three Ritz-Carlton’s in the region that include
Montego Bay in Jamaica, San Juan in Puerto Rico and St. Thomas in the
U.S. Virgin Islands. The Ritz-Carlton is opening a property in the Cayman
Islands in the Fall of 2005. The Turks & Caicos Islands are getting their
Ritz-Carlton in 2007.


http://www.aruba-bb.com/viewtopic.php?p=463726&highlight=ritz#463726

Ritz Carlton, Out! Four Seasons, In?!



January 10th 2007, Aruba.



PALM BEACH-Aruba will not receive the luxurious hotel chain Ritz Carlton.
The Ministry of General Affairs has decided to terminate negotiations with
Ritz Carlton on December 30th 2006. The decision is confirmed by the
government spokesperson, Manolo Giel.

A few of the requirements set by Ritz Carlton to construct a hotel on the
island were the greatest obstacles for reaching an agreement. Ritz Carlton
demanded a tax holiday, that would exempt the hotel from paying
all types of taxes. The government is not willing to grant new tax
holidays to any hotels on the island, including Ritz Carlton.

The Ritz Carlton was to be constructed north of the Aruba Marriott Resort
building, on the last lot left directly on Palm Beach (where Fishermen huts
is located). The site is used by locals and windsurfers for recreational
purposes. The environmental organization StimaAruba is relieved that the
hotel is not coming. It claims that the site should be protected for turtles,
locals, as well as for those practising the sport of windsurfing.
Nevertheless the government will continue its pursuit to find a top notch
hotel for the site. There are a few parties interested, including Four
Seasons and Regency. Now that negotiations with Ritz Carlton have been
terminated, the government will begin talks with one of these hotel chains
said Manolo Giel.

[hotping]

Hi Red....Is there any word from the Houston Monkeys Yet? 

there isn't..... I hope they email...

Thank You Mrs Red! 

[MumInOhio]

Caps … appears to be Oduber…

Snipped from post by texasmom above…
January 10th 2007, Aruba.

PALM BEACH-Aruba will not receive the luxurious hotel chain Ritz Carlton.
The Ministry of General Affairs has decided to terminate negotiations with
Ritz Carlton on December 30th 2006. The decision is confirmed by the
government spokesperson, Manolo Giel.

Principal Government Officials

Minister of General Affairs and Foreign Relations--Nelson O. Oduber

http://www.state.gov/r/pa/ei/bgn/22491.htm

[San]

So what is been said is that there is a struggle between the Mariotte group and the AHATA's

So who did backout, who said no deal when the money was not presenter. I know that Nelson Oduber wanted the the hotel so he will not say no.

I have a couple of articles from old A.M. Digitals.  I will post a few.

[Pita]

January 10th 2007, Aruba.

PALM BEACH-Aruba will not receive the luxurious hotel chain Ritz Carlton.
The Ministry of General Affairs has decided to terminate negotiations with
Ritz Carlton on December 30th 2006. The decision is confirmed by the
government spokesperson, Manolo Giel.

A few of the requirements set by Ritz Carlton to construct a hotel on the
island were the greatest obstacles for reaching an agreement. Ritz Carlton
demanded a tax holiday, that would exempt the hotel from paying
all types of taxes. The government is not willing to grant new tax
holidays to any hotels on the island, including Ritz Carlton.

The Ritz Carlton was to be constructed north of the Aruba Marriott Resort
building, on the last lot left directly on Palm Beach (where Fishermen huts
is located). The site is used by locals and windsurfers for recreational
purposes. The environmental organization StimaAruba is relieved that the
hotel is not coming. It claims that the site should be protected for turtles,
locals, as well as for those practising the sport of windsurfing.
Nevertheless the government will continue its pursuit to find a top notch
hotel for the site. There are a few parties interested, including Four
Seasons and Regency. Now that negotiations with Ritz Carlton have been
terminated, the government will begin talks with one of these hotel chains
said Manolo Giel.

[/quote]

STIMARUBA 
 
Business address SPAANS LAGOENWEG 33-B, SAVANETA 
Legal form  ASSOCIATION 
Name of the STIMARUBA 
Date of 1 NOVEMBER 1996 

BOARD MEMBERS/AUTHORIZED PERSONS 
 
WEUSTINK, HENRICUS BERNARDUS ALBERTUS;  
Residing in  SAVANETA 199-B, SAVANETA, ARUBA 
Born in  THE NETHERLANDS on 25 JULY 1943 
Nationality  DUTCH 
Position  TREASURER 
Effective  13 MARCH 1997 
Authority  RESTRICTED 
   
VAN DER LINDEN-RASMIJN, TEOLINDA MARIA; 
Residing in  URATACA 6, SANTA CRUZ, ARUBA 
Born in  ARUBA on 23 AUGUST 1943 
Nationality  DUTCH 
Position  VICE-PRESIDENT 
Effective  13 MARCH 1997 
Authority  RESTRICTED 
   
BOERWINKEL, DIRK JAN; 
Residing in  BOTON 7-B, SANTA CRUZ, ARUBA 
Born in  THE NETHERLANDS, DRIEBERGEN on 25 JUNE 1950 
Nationality  DUTCH 
Position  PRESIDENT 
Effective  13 MARCH 1997 
Authority  FULL 
   
RASMIJN, ADI MIGUEL; 
Residing in  SPAANS LAGOENWEG 33-B, SAVANETA, ARUBA 
Born in  ARUBA on 27 JUNE 1950 
Nationality  DUTCH 
Position  SECRETARY 
Effective  13 MARCH 1997 
Authority  RESTRICTED 
   
CROES, ROGELIO; 
Residing in  BRINGAMOSA 1-M, SANTA CRUZ, ARUBA 
Born in  ARUBA on 10 JUNE 1961 
Nationality  DUTCH 
Position  BOARD-MEMBER 
Effective  13 MARCH 1997 
Authority  RESTRICTED 
   

[San]