Lively Case Discussion #527 9/26 - 9/29/2006

[Anna]

Well, just recapping for today before I head for the Monkey Bunkey. . .
I don't like what the president of the judges association had to say for he sounded as though not only were any judges involved to be understood in reaching their erroneous (IMHO) and totally illogical conclusions but that just about everything that could be done has been done by way of an investigation.

I believe Igsigs posted that this morning.  Has bugged me all day long that he is saying such a thing or at least that is how I am reading it.

The more of these statements I read, the more illogical the judge's conclusions seem.  In particular, the judge who ruled that there was no reason to search the van der Sloot property.

While I certainly appreciate that hard evidence is preferable to statements and circumstantial evidence by far, this is a case of total disappearance and there is no hard evidence.  So they just ignore any evidence that is not physically forensic even after ALE refused to take forensics from the three last seen with Natalee!  

That is about the worst example of judge's behavior that I can think of besides a few in this country who seem particularly fond of child molesters and their jobs are now in question, etc.

"How's she doing?"  Joran claiming not to have gone back for his shoes because Satish was rushing him, oh wait, no I walked home so who was rushing him them?  Why would he leave shoes if alone and walking home when he had all the time in the world??

Klaas is probably going to delete this but just my thoughts after the latest statement and article on the august body of judges:

[Lala'sMom]

You go Little Anna...OOPS!  I was talking about that sassy little dog in the red dress...too cute for words.    I agree with you about those judges...they are missing a few brain cells if you ask me.

[2NJSons_Mom]

Lala'sMom that link was for you for Cleanup!

Terry & Shell,

Can we put these links in the technical thread in the Lounge?  Just a thought....thanks.

[Lala'sMom]

Lala'sMom that link was for you for Cleanup!

Terry & Shell,

Can we put these links in the technical thread in the Lounge?  Just a thought....thanks.

That's a good thought.
 

[2NJSons_Mom]

Lala'sMom that link was for you for Cleanup!

Terry & Shell,

Can we put these links in the technical thread in the Lounge?  Just a thought....thanks.

That's a good thought.
 

I guess this pc needs help, but it's late...sooo, I thought it might be good to put them where well rested monkeys could find them...and right now, that is not me...

[2NJSons_Mom]

Anna, Hat, Lala'sMom, LilPuma,

G'nite...

Hat, good to see you here...

[Lala'sMom]

Well, I hope lots of monkeys will put their stuff in there since I am sending my own child in there to find something that will work on her computer.  She has  Ewido, adaware and such, but her computer is running too slow and hers is much faster than mine.

Think I will call it a night, any smart monkeys that have any ideas, I am all ears to know.

Hugs to Nemo, night all.

[LilPuma]

The more of these statements I read, the more illogical the judge's conclusions seem.  In particular, the judge who ruled that there was no reason to search the van der Sloot property.

While I certainly appreciate that hard evidence is preferable to statements and circumstantial evidence by far, this is a case of total disappearance and there is no hard evidence.  So they just ignore any evidence that is not physically forensic even after ALE refused to take forensics from the three last seen with Natalee!  

If that were true, wouldn't they have gotten search warrants immediately instead of monitoring their cells and computers?  

[Hat]

Busted for lurking again!

[Anna]

Yes, I just cleaned 110MB and can tell improved speed even on this new hard drive.

I wonder if Joran thought ALE would behave as normal police and take the clothing they were all wearing that night pronto.  Perhaps he wanted to keep his shoes.  He told Chief Roy Tromp at the time they were new shoes.

We know he had several similar blue plaid shirts so that was not likely an issue.  Maybe he told the wrong size on the shoes so they would not take the ones he was wearing because they were a different size.

Now this would be abnormal behavior in a normal person but remember this is the kid who took advantage of Natalee's disappearance to try to enhance his reputation as a card player with his bogus tale of winning back money for her.

He forgot the girlfriends present would contradict his tale of card prowess but he knew for a fact Natalee wouldn't be around to point out his lie.  If he is thinking about his own rep with the cards at a time like that, he is likely to do or say just about anything.  Including invent a cover story to keep his fav shoes.

And on that I am getting my mind off these darned shoes for a while.  Making me Joran (new word for crazy)!




And a big hello to Hat whom I believe I see reading along. . .

[LilPuma]

Night monkeys.  I'll check back in in a little bit to see if anyone left food out of the fridge or anything before I go to bed.  


   

[Anna]

The more of these statements I read, the more illogical the judge's conclusions seem.  In particular, the judge who ruled that there was no reason to search the van der Sloot property.

While I certainly appreciate that hard evidence is preferable to statements and circumstantial evidence by far, this is a case of total disappearance and there is no hard evidence.  So they just ignore any evidence that is not physically forensic even after ALE refused to take forensics from the three last seen with Natalee!  

If that were true, wouldn't they have gotten search warrants immediately instead of monitoring their cells and computers?  

You are exactly right, LilPuma!  This is why we don't understand their system.  We don't understand it because it is totally illogical and contradicts itself just as you say.

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[klaasend]

Busted for lurking again!

Hat - good to see you!

[klaasend]

Anna - the judge can only rule on what the prosecutor gives him.  

[Anna]

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If forensics and "hard evidence" as Arlene used to call it are all that count before these judges, why on earth would ALE forego that in favor of some 1950's gimmick of monitoring phone calls??  Like these cell phone babies would not be on to that one!

You'd think they would go for the forensics in a NY second over any statements made on phones or otherwise if that is all that really counts in their judicial system.

And yet, they didn't do ANY for at least ten days.

 

[Hat]

Hello Klaas, sorry avatar not posting for me.

Good point on judges ability to rule on only what is submitted to them. Very difficult to pin the tail on these donkeys.

[Anna]

Anna - the judge can only rule on what the prosecutor gives him.  

And she couldn't think of any reason why these boys would lie.  


It is so upsetting.  Just makes me want to

[klaasend]

Hello Klaas, sorry avatar not posting for me.

Good point on judges ability to rule on only what is submitted to them. Very difficult to pin the tail on these donkeys.

Hat - the avatar function isn't working right.  To post them now you need to have them in photobucket then post the url into the 3rd option in your profile for avatars.  

I do have this one of yours saved.  You can copy the url below and paste it into the 3rd option for avatars in your profile if you like.

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/hatblimp.jpg

[spooky112483]

is anyone else having trouble getting the Unsolved Crimes thread to open?

[klaasend]

is anyone else having trouble getting the Unsolved Crimes thread to open?

I just checked and it's opening fine for me?  Any particular thread?