Natalee Case Discussion #756 6/5 -6/8/08

[Dayhiker]

Let me get this straight...cruiselines have already cut back....now the planes...and the plan is to try and broadcast, in America, a piece trashing a young tourist and her family...after an islander confessed....and this will encourage tourism???

The only people they will attract, are ones that hate Americans, as much as those promoting this plan.  VanNie won't be selling a lot of fancy coffee.

The fact they haven't shut Gielen down tells me the same people that have been running the cover-up from day one are still at it, Buckeye. These dumbasses never have gotten, never have figured it out. The Aruban people should demand more, they are the ones getting the shaft. But then they are the ones who protested against Beth so they probably deserve it.

[Lala'sMom]

dutch minister of Transport was in Aruba yesterday and met with Edison Briesen.

http://www.verkeerenwaterstaat.nl/actueel/nieuws/ministereurlingsbezoektnederlandseantillenenaruba.aspx

Wednesday june 4th: Aruba
Minister Eurlings is holding talks about serveral issues with mister Briesen, minister of Transport and Tourism of Aruba. On the agenda are aviation safety, maritime affairs and the maritime cooperatin within The Kingdom

Eurlings left / Briesen middle / don't know who the guy on the right is, maybe M.E.P. Dierikx., director-general of the dutch Transport department - division Transport and Aiviation.

important issue was also the environment tax - this eco-tax comes into force july 1st.

the antilles and aruba want this eco-tax lifted.
but the netherlands is not going to give in.

http://antilliaans.caribiana.nl/politiek/car20080527_ticket-tax

of course the antilles/aruba don't like this tax.
because that makes flights from Europe more expensive (for tourists).
already expensive due to high fuel prices.

I could caption that photo...but I would surely get banned. LOL.

[Dayhiker]

This airline crisis is payback. If they had done the right thing they'd have enough passengers to support the flights but they don't and they're getting axed.[/b]

they are not used to having to back up their lies and promises. they're used to lying and appeasing tourists who go home in a few days.  being held accountable for their words and actions is completely alienable to them.
dennisintn

This would be a good time to own a sardine company and a steamer ship, Dennis. They will go down the tubes fighting for their Van der Sloots.

[Maggie]

They think they can attract the South American tourists? Are they kidding?  What do they have to offer?? NADA   Miami is overwhelmed with South American tourists every year. Why would they go to Aruba?  Doesn't make sense.

[Blue Moon]

Here is the full post from the front page of SM:

Tamara Waldron wrote:

THanks Gabriel! As an American citizen living in Aruba, and having lived in the U.S. for nearly 10 years I can assure you that most of us are looking at the big picture and we share the concerns of Natalee’s family and friends.
Howver, looking at the picture does not mean blaming the island or its people….we should keep looking at the big picture which does involve at looking at other possibilities, other than a crime, for the dissapearance of the 18 year old.
So far there has not been any indication of a murder, a kidnapping etc and we should all stick together and help in searching for his girl instead of assuming things and smearing Aruba on the news.
I do believe she will be found as there have been numerous sightings of Natalee, which indicate more that this is a runaway case than any other….of course we don’t know for sure, but we must leave the windows of numerous possibilities open.

Jun 5, 7:13 PM

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2005/06/07/natalee-holloway-information/

Just proves to me they were VERY prepared (almost like this had occurred before).  They were able to go in damage control very quickly and organized.  I hate them all.

[Dayhiker]

Yes, Glenda..they did...that is part of the promotion of the island...it's known all over facebook and myspace and various other places as the party place to be.  Remember the slogan...One Happy Island?  WTH do you think they are talking about?  No one could be happy on that place without being drunk at some point...oh, my...now I am getting iirritated all over again. 

I think we've seen enough photos, tons of them in fact, of the bartenders at Carlos & Charlies pouring free booze down girl's throats to see who the culprit is here.

[dennisintn]

Let me get this straight...cruiselines have already cut back....now the planes...and the plan is to try and broadcast, in America, a piece trashing a young tourist and her family...after an islander confessed....and this will encourage tourism???

The only people they will attract, are ones that hate Americans, as much as those promoting this plan.  VanNie won't be selling a lot of fancy coffee.

things are looking up for the land of the "pariahs of the caribbean.  murder, inc. has just voted aruba as the No.1 location to take care of business.
dennisintn

[Tamikosmom]

Julie Renfro has been on the "Beth signed the waver for an all inclusive...drinking binge....." way before Maglio posted the parent is responsible.   She was the first to post a link to the article...hmmmm

What I say is...After visiting Paradise Island, in the Bahamas, and having to pay $4 for a can of pop.....I would have seriously considered an all inclusive, for my daughter, who would have only been there three days and was not interested in varying cuisines. I would prefer her to have unlimited access to pop. water, gatorade and food.  It would have been really hard to budget otherwise.  The prices are outrageous.

Just because Julia is a drinker does not mean that everyone that buys an all inclusive ticket plans to heavily drink booze.  I saw Natalee with water in front of her in the casino.  She was sitting fine on the stool and was steady walking around the casino.  If she got sick later it was from "something bad" that she was given...or perhaps...food poisoning...if you ask me.

I do believe underage Joran van der Sloot ... his father and ... the drinking/gambling establishments of Aruba are the issue.  Joran should never have been allowed in the Excelsio casino and Carlos & Charlie's.  As John Kelly implied ... the chain of events that led to the tragedy that unfolded on the morning of May 30, 2005 ... would never have occurred if the adults in Joran's life had enforced the legal boundaries of expections ... boundaries that were established for his well being and the well being of other.

Janet
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John Kelly
'Rita Cosby Live & Direct'
April 11, 2006

JOHN Q. KELLY, HOLLOWAY FAMILY ATTORNEY: Well, if you look at the surveillance video footage, it appears that he’s the one sitting directly next to her and tries to engage her in conversation a couple of times. And it’s sort of ironic that it’s his father who brought his underage son to a casino and left him there after he left, with access to his line of credit, to put this unfortunate chain of events in process.

You know, if Joran had never been there, not been allowed in there, because he’s underage and wasn’t accompanied by his father, the whole rest of the night wouldn’t have happened.

COSBY: You know, and, John, also, why would that be a significant—why is that in conflict to something else we’ve heard maybe from Paulus before?

KELLY: Well, he’s just claiming that, you know, he’s kept an eye on his son, you know, he’s kept him on a short leash, and, you know, his son is very well-behaved. And it turns out that he’s, you know, got him at casinos. If you’re under 18, you’re not legally even allowed in casinos, so his son was breaking the law with him enabling it.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12150698/


Jossy Mansur
DANA PRETZER
July 23, 2007

Dana: One thing that makes my listeners scratch their heads so to speak and wonder, myself included and we'll talk about it again, is the fact of the underage drinking and gambling that had been going on admittedly by young van der Sloot.  Was there ever any discussion or has there ever been any discussion at least of filing some charges as far as that goes?

Jossy:  No, there hasn't been any of that. The authorities have just (inaudible) it aside, they haven't paid any attention to it then and they're not paying any attention to it now and over the past 26 months.   I haven't seen anything in the direction of trying to make some kind of statement that this is not (inaudiable) at least make some sort of a statement that this is not (inaubible) because it is a known fact that as an underage he wasn't supposed to be in the casino, much less in the company of his father. He was there, there are video tapes to prove that and still the authorities haven't done anything with regard to that specific case.

http://scaredmonkeysradio.com/2007/07/23/the-dana-pretzer-show-monday-july-23rd-2007-special-guests-larry-sinclair-jossy-mansur-ladonna-meredith-attorney-jay-paul-deratany/


Joran van der Sloot
Suspect Statement
June 9, 2005

After that we drove straight to Carlos & Charlies. Deepak was the driver but I cannot remember now who was sitting beside him. I do not remember now if it was Satish or me. I estimate that we arrived at Carlos & Charlies between 00.15 and 00.30 hours. Deepak parked his car on the parking lot behind Carlos & Charlies and after that we walked into the building of Carlos & Charlies. I don't have to pay because I have a VIP pass. With my VIP pass Deepak and Satish were also allowed in.

To your question as to who gave me the VIP pass to Carlos & Charlies, I answer you that I got it through the office of Carlos & Charlies. I do not remember with the help of who I got the VIP pass. I got to Carlos & Charlies about one to three times a week.

[caesu]

They think they can attract the South American tourists? Are they kidding?  What do they have to offer?? NADA   Miami is overwhelmed with South American tourists every year. Why would they go to Aruba?  Doesn't make sense.

they have a better chance if they try to attract martians or polar bears.
big state of denial. they really have to find a way out.

aruba is constantly bragging that from 2009 they, unlike the other islands, don't need financial aid from the netherlands anymore.
well... that might chance now.
but if the netherlands is going to give aid again they only give that with preconditions.
one precondition will be to finally straighten that justice department / OM out.
in other words. get rid of Rudy Croes. and Hendrik.

[dennisintn]

Let me get this straight...cruiselines have already cut back....now the planes...and the plan is to try and broadcast, in America, a piece trashing a young tourist and her family...after an islander confessed....and this will encourage tourism???

The only people they will attract, are ones that hate Americans, as much as those promoting this plan.  VanNie won't be selling a lot of fancy coffee.

The fact they haven't shut Gielen down tells me the same people that have been running the cover-up from day one are still at it, Buckeye. These dumbasses never have gotten, never have figured it out. The Aruban people should demand more, they are the ones getting the shaft. But then they are the ones who protested against Beth so they probably deserve it.

briesen and rudy croes have both endorse gielen, and the psychotic psychics.  one or the other of them actually referred to the psychics as investigators.  i think rudy gave mos hell because he and a.l.e. wasn't meeting with them.  mos says everything they are bring up now was debunked 2 years ago as they checked out all the far out lies and unlikely scenarios.
dennisintn

[casa]

Julia Renfro is Glenda. She mistakenly posted an email with the address to Aruba Today.

She originally took the name “Glenda” with an avatar of the Wizard of OZ, thinking she was “the good” witch. She wasn’t smart enough to know the name is Glenna.

She wrote the trash article regarding the medjet and The bad FBI. The article quoting Angela Munzenhofer and Dompig. It is still availble at the Aruban police website KPA.

ALSO - Julia Renfro posted with the nickname of BONDIA here at SM before she was banned and went to the Refugee's site using the nickname Glenda.

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Another Glenda Reaction : 

BhamMom wrote:
nichols,
Drag up a chair and tell us the truth. We’ve waited for 2-1/2 years.

The truth is that Beth is actually just a nice person, a good Mom, and a grieving Mom who comes from a hard working good family. She is also a good daughter, sister and friend. Perfect, not hardly, but certainly good. If she lived next door to you, she is someone you would like and enjoy.

Glenda posts:
Yeah right, that is why she tried to destroy the innocent lives of 120,000 people, mostly women and children… All for what? Because she took the decision to allow, send and sign consent for her minor child to go on a co-ed all-inclusive drinking fest with no supervision to an island in the Caribbean just 20 miles north of Venezuela. Sorry Nic, Aruba didn’t invite Natalee here to get drunk starting early in the morning, have a stranger lick her belly filled with alcohol and then for her to get into a car with him and two other strangers. ~ these are facts, I’ve left the other stuff out as hearsay, but the ABOVE is a fact.

Nobody deserves something bad to them, in the same time, Beth’s own words, “I didn’t deserve to have Natalee!” I dare you to say Beth didn’t say it!

She has the same style as Renee Gielen 

Julia and Renee are both evil!  Guess I should add IMO.  Anyone who can do the things they have done along with Julia's friend Angela has to be evil.

[Dayhiker]

The fact they haven't shut Gielen down tells me the same people that have been running the cover-up from day one are still at it, Buckeye. These dumbasses never have gotten, never have figured it out. The Aruban people should demand more, they are the ones getting the shaft. But then they are the ones who protested against Beth so they probably deserve it.

briesen and rudy croes have both endorse gielen, and the psychotic psychics.  one or the other of them actually referred to the psychics as investigators.  i think rudy gave mos hell because he and a.l.e. wasn't meeting with them.  mos says everything they are bring up now was debunked 2 years ago as they checked out all the far out lies and unlikely scenarios.
dennisintn

I harken ye back to September 5, 2005 when the Aruban government and Dutch Judiciary gave Natalee, Beth, Dave, Jug, and all the rest of us Americans THE FINGER by giving Joran a going away party so he could fly away to the safety of Holland and, thanks to JUDGE RICK SMID, never have to answer another question about the case again.

This is the arrogance of the Aruban government and the people who run it. This is also why they are about to go down the toilet.

[Buckeye]

casa

I agree, they are evil.

[Dayhiker]

they have a better chance if they try to attract martians or polar bears.

 

[wreck]

they have a better chance if they try to attract martians or polar bears.

 

hmmm... polar bears .... they need a tan, don't need airlines (can swim down from Alaska using the Panama Canal), can generally fend for themselves against predators......perfect!!!

[Buckeye]

Marketing dog, goat or donkey meat to China?

Turtle soup???..boy that would get em....

[WhiskeyGirl]

Good Morning Monkeys

On the last thread ... Jossy's demeanor on with Dana Pretzer in regards to the Natalee Holloway case was questioned.  I agree ... he did sound less than forthcoming on the topics that were being discussed.

However ... I will give Jossy the benefit of the doubt.  From the getgo Jossy had done more that ANY other Aruba to openly support the family in their pursuant of the truth regarding the events that encompassing the morning that Natalee went missing.

There has already been an attempt by the "powers that be" in Aruba to boycott his publication.  Then between family issues and ... ongoing health problems ...

Concerning last night's Dana program ... I did find it strange that both Art Wood and Jossy Mansur denied that the search of the pond was unrelated to the Natalee Holloway case.  There was definitely something going on ...

Janet
9:13 AM
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http://scaredmonkeysradio.com/2008/06/04/the-dana-pretzer-show-on-scared-monkeys-radio-listen-live-tonight-at-9pm-eastern-guests-include-clint-van-zandt-art-wood-discussing-the-natalee-holloway-investigation-3-years-later/


The Dana Pretzer Show On Scared Monkeys Radio - Wednesday, June 4, 2008 - Guests Include Clint Van Zandt, Art Wood and Jossy Mansur Discussing The Natalee Holloway Investigation 3 Years Later

I have noticed that many cases in Aruba are deemded to involve domestic issues, and therefore there seems to be no LE involvement.

Is it possible that the pond is a dumping ground for a number of missing people?

The young man that Tim Miller went to help search for, maybe the search is related to him?

The missing 12 year old girl, maybe the search is related to her?

IIRC, there was even some mention, maybe just on the blogs, that the death of the nearly headless man found in the cemetery was due to domestic problems?  Maybe him?

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One of the items that continues to confound me is the search of the landfill.  Isn't it possible that JVDS (or someone) threw any evidence (the missing shoes - item one on the list) related to the case in the garbage on trash day?  Maybe the gym shoes are really in the landfill?  Hits by dogs are due to small traces of Natalee on items other than her clothing, drivers license, or money?

The "threw them in the canal/well" and "left them at the beach" are just clever diversions from the truth?  The shoes were put in the trash on garbage day?

[johan555]

Is Julia from Texas ?
Was of is she married and with who ?
And what is his name?
What is the name of her pappie  ?

[wreck]

Is Julia from Texas ?
Was of is she married and with who ?
And what is his name?
What is the name of her pappie  ?

We don't "cotton" to her type here in Texas. 

[Rob]

have you guys and gals seen this before?

http://www.livescience.com/strangenews/top10_unexplained_phenomena-1.html

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Mysterious Disappearances

People disappear for various reasons. Most are runaways, some succumb to accident, a few are abducted or killed, but most are eventually found. Not so with the truly mysterious disappearances. From the crew of the Marie Celeste to Jimmy Hoffa, Amelia Earhart, and Natalee Holloway, some people seem to have vanished without a trace. When missing persons are found, it is always through police work, confession, or accident never by 'psychic detectives'). But when the evidence is lacking and leads are lost, even police and forensic science can't always solve the crime.