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Sebastian - the 3 people moderating the Terri Horman Support appear to be 3 separate people.  The names were listed on the wall for the administrators and they were Mary Covington, Marybeth Schaeffer and Cindy Butcher-Traynor Smalley. 

Klaas,
I tried to reply to your last post, but thread already locked.


According to Michelle Sigona, she spoke to Kaine and Michael Cook a couple of weeks ago. She was on HLN one afternoon/evening.
Kaine told Michelle that he, Michael Cook, and a few other friends from high school were trying to reconnect about 8-9 months before Kyron disappeared. They tried to get together several times, but because of schedules, work, etc. they never did reconnect. (they were all friends from school in Seattle, but moved and live in Portland) IMO, it is possible that while attempting to get everyone together, phone calls could have been made, but maybe Terri was the person Michael Cook spoke to, and not Kaine. Maybe Terri got a get-together of her own" party for 2"<wink wink>
If the time line is correct, this re-connect with friends attempts was around the same time as the MFH plot. Michael Cook IMO is a very shady guy to say the least.
It's just too weird how this Michael Cook just shows up the day after Kyron disappears with a truckload of food, water, supplies for Terri and friends. He's supposedly Kaine's friend. If Kaine wasn't at the house, why didn't he call him and ask Kaine what he might need....why Terri? who he's never met (supposedly) until the day after Kyron disappears, but acts like he's Terri's bff.
There's something hinky with this guy.

Why do I find the following article and email so disturbing?

Janet

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CONTROLLING THE MEDIA

Kyron Horman’s Family Boots WW and The Oregonian from Bizarre News Event
1:04 PM July 1st, 2010 by James Pitkin

The saga of missing 7-year-old Kyron Horman got a little more bizarre today at a news conference held this morning by the boy’s family.

The event at Brooks Hill Historic Church was arranged on Wednesday by Kyron’s father Kaine Horman, biological mother Desiree Young and her husband, Medford Police Detective Tony Young.

Absent was Terri Moulton Horman, the stepmom investigators say was the last person known to have seen Kyron before his June 4 disappearance. Kaine Horman filed for divorce and a restraining order against her earlier this week. And she’s since hired star criminal defense attorney Stephen Houze.

Today, Kaine Horman and the Youngs sat at the head of a table in a room filled with more than two dozen national and local reporters for print, TV and radio. As the meeting began at 10 a.m., Kaine Horman started out by explaining “the agenda.” This wasn’t going to be a typical press conference.

Horman said the family’s goal was to make “the story” about Kyron. With news of the divorce and investigators homing in on the stepmom, media coverage (including in WW) has increasingly focused on Kyron’s troubled family.

First came Horman’s “ground rules,” as he described them. No cameras. No recordings. Everything was off the record and couldn’t be reported, unless agreed otherwise. Horman made everyone in the room agree to these rules before proceeding. And so this roomful of reporters consented, in essence, not to be reporters.

Horman then laid out how the meeting would go. They would take questions, make some phone calls (presumably to investigators, to find out what they could say in their answers), then return and make an on-the-record statement. But first, Horman wanted all the reporters he didn’t know to introduce themselves.

KEX radio, KATU, The Portland Tribune and “Inside Edition” all got the nod from Horman. But then came Shane Kavanaugh and Bryan Denson of The Oregonian.

Horman said the family didn’t like The Oregonian’s coverage and wanted them to leave. Horman said the daily had failed to be a “team player.”

“This is a team, and if we’re not going to play as a team, there’s no point in being here,” Horman said. “This is about Kyron.”

Denson objected, saying he’s new to the story and after 28 years in journalism he’s “a pretty good reporter.” But there was no arguing. The family wanted The O gone, and a woman who said she’s a manager at the church escorted them out. The biggest newspaper in the state had been eighty-sixed.

I introduced myself and said I’m with Willamette Week. Horman said the family has the same problem with WW. I agreed to leave. And so the paper with the second-biggest circulation in Oregon was also kicked out.

As far as I was concerned, after getting kicked out all deals were off. I wasn’t going to keep the meeting off the record.

According to a reporter who stayed, the family went on to lay out more “ground rules” for the future. They said they’d hold these “news conferences” (if you can call them that) twice a week, on Mondays and Thursdays, as time allows. They would make prepared statements, answer some questions submitted in writing and may also do occasional interviews.

“They want us to cover Kyron, and they’re not going to get neck-deep in gossip and rumors,” the reporter said.

ABC News convinced the family to make an on-the-record statement in front of one camera, with the tape available as pool footage for other reporters. After more than an hour inside the church, the reporters were sent outside while the family stayed in to prepare a statement.

The reporter at the scene said The Oregonian had somehow gotten back on the family’s good side and was among those waiting outside to hear the prepared statement.

At shortly after 12:30, the family emerged from the church and Desiree Young gave a brief statement in which she implored Terri Moulton Horman to cooperate with investigators. She also said the family believes Kyron is still alive. Check out the video with KATU’s coverage here

http://blogs.wweek.com/news/2010/07/01/kyron-hormans-family-boots-ww-and-the-oregonian/


Missing Child - Kyron Horman, 7
Posted on Jun 07, 2010

Having my own children, including a 7-year-old boy, this especially resonates with me.  Kryon Horman has been missing since Friday (6/4).  He was last seen at Skyline Elementary School in Portland, Oregon.  Please circulate and contact the authorities if you have any information.  Below is an email from Kyron's father.
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From: Horman, Kaine A
Sent: Sunday, June 06, 2010 8:39 AM
Subject: FW: Kaine Horman's son is missing

All,

If you have seen local Oregon news or been browsing the internet or FaceBook there is a good chance you have seen an article similar to the one that Becky forwarded (below).  While this note is difficult for me to write in this state of mind I felt it necessary for Kyron’s sake.

Optional actions for you:

The Intel network is large and wide-reaching.  Many have asked me what they can do to help us and my answer is the following:

1.       Forward Kyron’s information to as many people as you feel comfortable with; the more people that see this will increase our chances of finding him

2.     Do not speak to any media if contacted; I am trying to contact Intel legal to give them the heads up and help with this situation  

Physical description at the time of his disappearance (picture is show in Becky’s note and here):

He is 3 foot 8 and 50 pounds, with blue eyes and brown hair. He was wearing black cargo pants, white socks, worn black Sketcher tennis shoes with orange trim and dark-colored t-shirt with the "CSI" show logo

Police Hot Line Number:

(503) 261-2847

Some rough background:

The article that Becky forwarded is pretty accurate with details.  He was dropped off at school about 8:45 and went missing sometime between then and 9 or 9:30am.  We did not know he was not at school until we went to get him off of the bus at 3:30 and he was nowhere to be found.  The bus driver immediately called the school which responded that his teacher had not seen him all day in class, at which point we notified police in partnership with the school.  It is still unknown whether he left school grounds on his own or was abducted.  Be assured that there are currently an amazing number of agencies and amount of person-power being applied to the search and investigation.

Thank you all for the thoughts and prayers for Kyron’s safe return.  I will update the group once status changes which will hopefully be soon.  At the time of this note Kyron has now been missing for ~48 hours; time is of the essence.

Kaine Horman
Enterprise Business Architect
Intel Corporation

http://ackerlaw.com/posts/2010/06/07/missing_child__kyron_horman_7

I agree and I do believe that LE is on to him.

I think that Mary might be the medium psychic that has been posting all over the net about her innocence. I cannot remember what made me think that. I will have to go back and look. Some of the people that Terri was friends with on facebook prior to Kyron missing are friends with her mother Carole Moulton. Pamela Murray for example. She seemed to be really good friends with Terri, at least then, do not know about now. I also found a friend that I think may have turned on Terri.  I will look for my notes.

Roseburg Oregon is a small town and I'm sure alot of people know eachother there:

http://www.ci.roseburg.or.us/cityHome/cityProfile.php

Population: 21,255
County: Douglas County
Location: 43:21N, 123:35W
Elevation: 465 feet
Area Code: 541
Zip Code: 97470, 97471
Time Zone: Pacific

My hinky meter tells me that Michael Cook entered Terri Horman's world prior to the disappearance of Kyron.  My hinky meter tells me that Michael Cook could possibly be involved along with Terri Horman in the disappearance of Kyron.

As always ... IMO

Janet

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MICHAEL COOK

Kaine's High School Friend

Kaine Horman: High-School Friend Contacted Family After Kyron Disappeared, Then Started Affair
3:26 PM July 12th, 2010
by James Pitkin

Kaine Horman tells WW he hadn’t seen Michael Cook since high school, but Cook contacted the family after Kyron disappeared June 4. The two men went to high-school together in Seattle.

“The first time I’ve seen him since then was when Kyron went missing,” Kaine Horman says.

http://blogs.wweek.com/news/2010/07/12/court-doc-terri-horman-started-affair-after-kyron-disappeared/


First Vigil Oganizer

Kyron Horman vigil draws about 400 to Sunset Presbyterian Church
Published: Tuesday, June 15, 2010, 10:55 PM
Updated: Monday, June 21, 2010, 10:18 AM

"We know that time has passed. ... We know that time isn't necessarily on our side," said Michael Cook, 37, who helped to organize the event and is a friend of Kyron's father, Kaine Horman. "But every case is unique, and we're hopeful that Kyron is found soon and returned to his family, safely, where he belongs."

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/kyron_horman_vigil_draws_about.html


No Sexual Relations

Kyron's father wants step-mom Terri to leave home sooner
by KGW.com Staff
kgw.com
Posted on July 14, 2010 at 10:48 AM
Updated Thursday, Jul 15 at 6:09 PM

Cook denies sexual relations

In an interview with KGW on Monday, Cook admitted that he had used his cell phone to photograph the sealed restraining order, and that he had engaged in "sexting" with Terri Horman.

Cook also admitted having "inappropriate communication" with Terri Horman but he denied having sexual relations with her. "I never slept with her," Cook told KGW.

http://www.kgw.com/news/Court-doc-Kaine-Terri-Horman-kyron-horman-contempt-sexting-98270654.html


Restraining Order Violation

Terri Moulton Horman expected to attend July contempt of court hearing
Published: Tuesday, July 13, 2010, 2:11 PM
Updated: Tuesday, July 13, 2010, 5:36 PM

Multnomah County Circuit Court Judge Keith Meisenheimer set two future court hearing dates for Kaine Horman's motion to hold his wife in contempt of court.

A pre-hearing date is set for July 22 at 1:30 p.m., followed by a Sept. 21 hearing.

Terri Moulton Horman is expected to attend the July hearing, said her attorney, Stephen Houze, as he emerged from the judge's chambers this afternoon.

He declined further comment.

Houze and Kaine Horman's lawyer, Laura Rackner, met briefly with the judge this afternoon to set the hearing dates.

Kaine Horman's lawyer has asked the court to impose "remedial" sanctions against Terri Horman.

Rackner argued in a motion filed Monday that Terri Horman shared the contents of a sealed restraining order - most notably her husband's new address - with a man whom Terri Horman had developed an intimate and sexual relationship with since her stepson Kyron's disappearance on June 4. The man, Michael Cook, was a high school friend of Kaine Horman.

Terri Horman has alerted the court she would not contest the restraining order, which prevents her from having any parenting time with her daughter Kiara, 20 months old.

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/07/terri_moulton_horman_expected.html


A Sextexting Affair

Missing boy's stepmother accused of affair
OREGON: Sealed court order allegedly shown to woman's lover
BY NIGEL DUARA | The Associated Press • Published July 13, 2010

Kaine Horman said in the filing that Cook has provided investigators with information about his relationship with Terri Horman, including “hundreds of text messages as well as several photographs of (Terri Horman) in various stages of undress and graphic sexual activity.”

Kaine Horman’s attorney said in the filing that Terri Horman’s “stated personal relationship concerns and sexual overtures to Mr. Cook resemble those made to the man (Terri Horman) previously attempted to hire to murder (Kaine Horman).”

http://www.theolympian.com/2010/07/13/1302999/missing-boys-stepmother-accused.html#ixzz0u9lGt2Ps


Court Documents

Kyron's Dad: Wife Had Affair After Boy Vanished
Updated: 6 days 11 hours ago

(July 13) -- The father of missing Oregon boy Kyron Horman alleges in new court documents that his estranged wife struck up an affair with one of his high school friends during the ongoing search for his 7-year-old son, allegedly "sexting" the man and violating a restraining order against her by revealing her husband's new address.

In documents filed Monday in Multnomah County Court, Kyron's father, Kaine Horman, 36, alleges that his estranged wife, Terri Moulton Horman, 40, began a sexual relationship with Michael Cook, 37, a former classmate of Horman's from Shoreline High School outside Seattle.

Horman also alleges in the documents that Moulton Horman attempted to abduct the couple's 19-month-old daughter, Kiara, from a gym day care center while Kaine worked out on June 28, two days after he moved out of the family home with the child.

Later that day, Moulton Horman was served with a restraining order from Horman, amid law enforcement's allegations that Moulton Horman had hired a landscaper in a plot to murder him. ......

http://www.aolnews.com/article/kyrons-dad-claims-wife-had-affair-after-boy-vanished/19552113


Court Documents:

http://images.bimedia.net/documents/motion.pdf

First thing tomorrow morning hubby and I are taking youngest son and DIL to Vancouver International ... destination Birmingham, Alabama.

We made the decision to take advantage of being in the big city to visit three of his sisters.  The timing is great.  A meal at each home.

I am beginning to lose hope that LE has the evidence required to make an arrest but ... I have learned in the Natalee Holloway that stuff happens when you least expect it.

I will log into the forum tomorrow night when we get home.  Hopefully there will be updates.

Good Night All.

Janet

I will say this according to your research they know the family, and maybe the qoute making her look like such a fool...I have a friend who knows a friend of Terri's lol.,  was meant to be seen that way?  Something is really bothering me now, "what if" they are "the family of Terri's and friends" and trying to turn the tides? 
Either way it doesn't matter they lost all credibality with me, and I now percieve them as having an agenda...

Nite Janet

Cindy Butcher Traynor Smalley appears to be one of Angela Rockwoods' good friends. Still digging!

I am beginning to lose hope that LE has the evidence required to make an arrest but ... I have learned in the Natalee Holloway that stuff happens when you least expect it.

I will log into the forum tomorrow night when we get home.  Hopefully there will be updates.

Good Night All.

Janet

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Don't lose hope....here's why
1. I don't think if they weren't onto something LE would ask for another half million(almost)
2. Like Misty Croslin,Joran Van der Sloot and Casey Anthony (in the beginning before finding the body) LE might have been able to put her (Terri) in jail for the sting... waiting, squeezing,trying to make a deal etc. but she may not have cracked or made a deal i.e. the above. Better to have a solid case and hard evidence.
3.They are watching. Everyone's watching. She will never have peace as long as that boy is gone. No one will let her. She will blow it. They will get her. They are building a solid case.

One last thing. I am sure there are plenty of examples,but my dad told me before they caught Leroy dayton Rogers (Oregon serial killer) they were onto to him. It wasn't until he got lax,(thought no one was watching) did he blow it and get caught red handed. He was convicted on all 6 murders and sits on death row today.

Don't lose hope....here's why
1. I don't think if they weren't onto something LE would ask for another half million(almost)
2. Like Misty Croslin,Joran Van der Sloot and Casey Anthony (in the beginning before finding the body) LE might have been able to put her (Terri) in jail for the sting... waiting, squeezing,trying to make a deal etc. but she may not have cracked or made a deal i.e. the above. Better to have a solid case and hard evidence.
3.They are watching. Everyone's watching. She will never have peace as long as that boy is gone. No one will let her. She will blow it. They will get her. They are building a solid case.

One last thing. I am sure there are plenty of examples,but my dad told me before they caught Leroy dayton Rogers (Oregon serial killer) they were onto to him. It wasn't until he got lax,(thought no one was watching) did he blow it and get caught red handed. He was convicted on all 6 murders and sits on death row today.


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I am beginning to lose hope that LE has the evidence required to make an arrest but ... I have learned in the Natalee Holloway that stuff happens when you least expect it.

I will log into the forum tomorrow night when we get home.  Hopefully there will be updates.

Good Night All.

Janet

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Don't lose hope....here's why
1. I don't think if they weren't onto something LE would ask for another half million(almost)
2. Like Misty Croslin,Joran Van der Sloot and Casey Anthony (in the beginning before finding the body) LE might have been able to put her (Terri) in jail for the sting... waiting, squeezing,trying to make a deal etc. but she may not have cracked or made a deal i.e. the above. Better to have a solid case and hard evidence.
3.They are watching. Everyone's watching. She will never have peace as long as that boy is gone. No one will let her. She will blow it. They will get her. They are building a solid case.

One last thing. I am sure there are plenty of examples,but my dad told me before they caught Leroy dayton Rogers (Oregon serial killer) they were onto to him. It wasn't until he got lax,(thought no one was watching) did he blow it and get caught red handed. He was convicted on all 6 murders and sits on death row today.

Don't lose hope....here's why
1. I don't think if they weren't onto something LE would ask for another half million(almost)
2. Like Misty Croslin,Joran Van der Sloot and Casey Anthony (in the beginning before finding the body) LE might have been able to put her (Terri) in jail for the sting... waiting, squeezing,trying to make a deal etc. but she may not have cracked or made a deal i.e. the above. Better to have a solid case and hard evidence.
3.They are watching. Everyone's watching. She will never have peace as long as that boy is gone. No one will let her. She will blow it. They will get her. They are building a solid case.

One last thing. I am sure there are plenty of examples,but my dad told me before they caught Leroy dayton Rogers (Oregon serial killer) they were onto to him. It wasn't until he got lax,(thought no one was watching) did he blow it and get caught red handed. He was convicted on all 6 murders and sits on death row today.

Sorry I somehow keep trying to get the quote in and subsequently doubled and tripled my comment . Feel free to erase/edit. That's what I keep trying to do and instead it posts more. Sorry. I think I have figured it out!

I tried to report myself to the moderator and the auto reply said " you can't report on your own post....it doesn't make sense!" LOL! I guess it doesn't ...never had an auto reply tell me I don't make sense....struck me as very funny

Hahaha!  That IS funny.....LOL

Don't worry about it Tnmomb, no big deal.  It's happened to all of us  ::MonkeyCool::

I tried to report my own post once as well.... and I felt really stupid when it said that... I laughed and laughed.  Welcome to the cage.

http://kezi.com/news/local/181990 - July 20, 2010


PORTLAND, Ore. -- They're not giving up the search, and now Portland police say they need more money to continue looking for Kyron Horman.

 
Hundreds of people and more than 40 law enforcement agencies have been looking for the boy since he vanished on June 4th.

 
Now, the Multnomah County Sheriff and the District Attorney are asking for more than $430,000 in additional money for the investigation. This money would pay the salaries of two special investigators and a deputy district attorney.


The sheriff says he also needs the extra cash to cover overtime pay.

The county chair believes commissioners will approve the request on Thursday.

I am one who does believe TH had something to do with the disappearance of Kyron but I have to say this to those who keep mentioning what DY said about TH at the Horman home about her hair...
 
Can you imagine if you are not guilty but are still reported as THE last person to have been with or see their missing son?  All eyes must have been burning a hole through her skin.  I wouldn't know what to say to my Stepson's Mother either but small talk.  What do you say?  Sorry I lost your Son?  How do you continue a relationship with the husband that may have all ready been rocky?  I would feel sooo bad and sooo guilty anyway I wouldn't know how to act.  I probably would look as bad as she did on camera too.  Sometimes I feel the look she gives DY in the press conf. is an I'm so sorry, please forgive me and don't recoil when I hug you.  To me it looks like DY got sick when TH touched her.  This is all MOO but can you imagine the sick, horrible feeling you would have over 'losing' a child and then being directed by LE to act as normal and it backfires too?  Just something to consider.  Once in a while I would like to think she isn't guilty/complicit but then my senses come back to me.

I think you may not pass a poly because of it.

I might agree with you if TH hadn't tried to hire a hitman prior to all this AND if TH hadn't failed the Poly(s) and if TH hadn't decided that right now was a good time to be sexting anyone.

IMO Terri isn't right in the head.

Because of what? 

Did we ever find out what questions Teri failed the poly?
Could have not been  questions about  Kyron.
Could have been do you love Kaine?
Are you having a afair?
do you wish harm to Kaine?
JMO

Blonde - does that answer why she would hire a hitman or sext with the hitman AND Michael Cook?  Terri isn't right in the head.

I agree that Terri is not right in the head! something is really off with this woman...jmo..

o/t...Amber White has been found alive...see her thread

Thank you cookie.  Heading over that way. 

No, we don't know

I thought about that for maybe a nano-second.  Then I remembered with all the sexting and pics of her and battery operated boyfriend, she really must not be feeling too bad about "losing Kyron."

Oh, I agree that is why I say I always come back to my senses.  She is definately guilty of something to do with his disappearance!  If she didn't do it all she knows who did and why.

There is no doubt in my mind that Terri isn't right in the head, question is did this come on after giving birth to Kitty, or has there been mental issues way before that, and the birth brought out mental problems that couldn't be controlled. Curious to know what meds she was given for PPD if of course that is true, whether she stayed on them, or went off of them cold turkey. And if she was given the proper meds and there was follow up with her doctor.

My burning question is where is this dear little boy, Kyron?!

Terri was unable to clear herself via the poly and therefore the focus is on her.

Why isn't she saying she is innocent?  I would be screaming it from the rooftops!  Why is she refusing to cooperate with LE?  What the heck has she done to facilitate finding Kyron.  She hangs her head in a Press conference, feigning imo a poor me victim look.  Phony bologne!!!  JMO.

Kyron is the victim and needs to be brought home one way or another.

Prayers for Kyron.   ::MonkeyAngel::

I don't give a da*n about Terri's mental condition! 
I don't give a da*n if she needs to use her sexuality to reassure and pleasure herself!

I care about this little boy, Kyron! 

I would love to know what makes her tick!  Of course, that isn't gonna happen any time soon.  I do think she is a bit narcissistic.  The video of her going to her atty's office was strange.  It was like she was holding her head high, but had very little self-confidence when doing so. 

Generally speaking, just because LE says "act normal" doesn't mean a grief-stricken parent who just lost a child will automatically engage in recreational/fun-filled activities.

Someone who is REALLY affected by the loss will surely NOT act "normal"... even if asked by LE.

To me, this was something that was meant as good-meaning advice and it apparently was taken as a "prime directive" by the Hormans.

IMO

I do care about what makes a person hire someone to kill their spouse, most people, thank God go about that in a legal way and don't succumb to violence. I do want to know what makes a person tick and do such things, I am just a person that has to know why for everything, and that doesn't make me a bad person because of it. With everything, there is always more to a story.

Klaas, I missed something somewhere.  Hope you can help.  I heard Kyron went to see an ecectric science project.  This is the last so called information or sighting???
If he had been abducted from a school (inside); would someone not have heard screams, seen scuffling or something????  When I was in school, someone was always in the hall to catch anyone (students) that were supposed to be in class.  I don't understand this whole scenario.  A friend of Kyron's stated when he saw TH leave, Kyron was not with her.  How could she have done something with him at the school??? I also feel like she holds the key to the mystery, but I don't understand that there is absolutely no one else that saw or heard anything at the school.  Am I misinformed?????

You aren't misinformed but there is so little verified by LE information out there none of us can be well informed.  I think everyone has the same questions you do. 

Please forgive spelling!!!!!!!!!!!! ::MonkeyNoNo::

http://www.kptv.com/news/24337416/detail.html

Ex-Military Remote Viewer Lends Hand In Kyron Case
Kyron Horman Has Not Been Seen Since June 4 At Skyline School

POSTED: 7:10 am PDT July 21, 2010
UPDATED: 7:32 am PDT July 21, 2010

PORTLAND, Ore. -- The Multnomah County Sheriff's Office received some unsolicited help from a former military investigator this week in the case of missing 7-year-old Kyron Horman.

Edward Dames, a retired remote viewer who once worked with the Army, worked with his team for three weeks to try to determine the physical location of the missing boy, who has not been since June 4 at Skyline School in northwest Portland.

Dames said the missing boy is located on private property roughly 10 miles south of the school.

"He's not where police are searching," he said. "(He's) not in the water and not that far away."

A remote viewer is a specialized psychic once used by the CIA and U.S. military during the cold war. Dames was the inspiration for the movie "The Men Who Stare At Goats."

He said he uses a mental technique to locate a missing person's geographic location and then goes out into the field to find the target. However, Dames said he's unable to do so in this case because he said the boy is on private property, which can present unknown dangers for his team.

Dames' report was sent to the Multnomah County Sheriff's Office, which is the lead agency in the criminal investigation.

Multnomah County deputies confirmed they received the report, which Dames said pinpoints Kyron's location within 60 feet. A spokeswoman with the sheriff's office said an investigator is examining leads from the report and following up on anything it generates.

Dames said he often works on missing or exploited children cases when he has downtime between contracts. He said he has been involved "both quietly and not so quietly" with many cases over the years, but he "doesn't usually work with law enforcement agencies.

""It's totally a public service. I'm a parent," Dames said. "The idea that a child is missing and no closure to that hell would be hell on earth as a parent."

Sheriff, DA Ask For $439,000 To Help Investigation

On Monday, the sheriff and district attorney's office asked for more money to keep up the pace of the investigation into Kyron's disappearance.

They asked for more than $439,000 to be taken out of the county general fund's contingency portion, which is used for unforeseen events and emergencies.

Retired sheriff's Capt. Bruce McCain said he understands the funding for the district attorney to cover future prosecution costs, but he said the sheriff's request is a bad sign for the Kyron case.

"When you look at the request with the fact that they plan on going back in October for a continued briefing on the investigation, that would seem to indicate there's nothing happening imminently," he said.

The request will go to a vote Thursday morning. As of Tuesday, it appeared likely that it would be approved by county commissioners.

IMO this guy is a quack - he did the same in the Natalee Holloway case

 :smt045  :smt045  :smt045

A remote viewer is a specialized psychic once used by the CIA and U.S. military during the cold war. Dames was the inspiration for the movie "The Men Who Stare At Goats."          I never heard of this before  ::MonkeyEek::  And I was not aware that he did this also in Natalee's case.

Now I understand the CIA's inability to find Bin Laden, or anything else for that matter.

I did wonder what the movie title, "The Men Who Stare at Goats" was about though. Now I know.  It's about nonsense.   

What does a duck say?

It's true!  There was an experiment like this during the cold war.  I guess it wasn't too reliable, because I don't believe they do it anymore.  I am not able to do this.  I can get feelings about a building or place where I'm standing, but that is the most I can do as far as place is concerned. 

OT - They can't find Bin Laden, because he's dead.  They try to keep him alive, so they have a boogie man to scare us with.

I believe you, and now I know what that movie was about, seemed like a very odd title for a movie, just never heard of this before.

Agreed

I'm right there with you, NoRose.

Then someone should notify the CIA at once to stop looking for a live Bin Laden.  This guy hasn't psychically found his body, I take it?  He should tell the CIA so they can stop looking.  Or, if he has found the body and told the CIA, then he should tell all of us so we can stop being scared of a dead man.  Still say it's nonsense.

Never happen - even if they find the body the government will never admit to it. Who will be the reason for sending our brave men and women into harms way?  But that is JMO!

There is just always more to everything. I have no idea what has happened to Kyron, and I certainly pray that soon he will be found.  ::MonkeyAngel::

I stepped back from posting yesterday and I was not sure if I would post again on this case until I read the article that is posted here about Mr. Ed Dames and his contribution to this case.

IMVHO Awesome! Mr. Dames is volunteering to aid in this case. That means exactly what it says. He is a volunteer.
If he can help to find little Kyron then wonderful. I am supportive of his attempt to help.

I have only recently discovered what this "remote viewing" concept is all about. I am open to the possibility that there is viability and usefulness with this idea and potential opportunity. Obviously the CIA had thought the same.
Who knows why it is that Bin Laden has not yet been found? For all we know it might be hard to pin point his exact location as he may be consistantly on the move. As we all know Hussain was found because he was stationary for a period of time.

Whatever it takes to find Kyron and bring him home to those who love him.

Sincerely,
Patricia

I'm glad to see you posting again  ::MonkeyAngel::  I say also, whoever is willing to help look for Kyron, more power to you.

I couldn't log into the cage took me 8 tires? ::MonkeyEek::

Thank you NRCG :) .
Within reason, I agree with you 100%.

Absolutely!  That's two more legs and two more eyes out looking for Kyron.  Whether remote viewing is possible or not, who knows?  However, since I have some psychic ability, I'm open to it. 

Having said that, the important thing is finding Kyron, in any way or method.  That's why I don't understand an item with scent being kept from Mr. Oakes.  I would go to any lengths to find him if Kyron were my child.

Patricia, agreed within reason, and as of right now, I don't know what would be unreasonable searching. But one thing that I don't know if answered or not. Supposedly Terri took the truck that day to pick up the project, and if I have this right, the project was delivered to the school the day before on Thursday. Did she also take the truck that day to set it up? Did Kaine take the project to school on Thursday to set it up? Somebody had to, and if the Mustang was too small to pick it up, it would be too small to take it to the school also. Unless when the project got to the school it had to be assembled, and they took it there in pieces.

Edited to add:
"Who knows why it is that Bin Laden has not yet been found? For all we know it might be hard to pin point his exact location as he may be consistantly on the move, living like a desert rat, dressed in traditional clothing disguised as an old woman. As we all know Hussain was found because he was stationary for a period of time."

LMAO!

IMO only:desperation The condition of being desperate.
1. desperate recklessness
 2. Recklessness arising from despair. desperation
3.Emotionally ravage
4  for the insurance money

killed her husband in cold blood, ...she would do much of the house work while her husband would bark out orders. ..... When you try to leave---and if the abuser is a serious ...

I said within reason as there are laws that must be adhered (sp?) to. (Trespassing etc...)

I believe that it is very lkely that this project was taken in pieces and then fully assembled at the school.

Desperation, I understand.

IMO because they should have sent out 100 premenopausal woman to this "we will find you" ::MonkeyHaHa::

Also have they ever used that plane that looks for hot spots in the surrounding area for Kyron when he first became missing?

Good question.
Because I don't believe that Kyron is passed on, I wonder who, if anyone, did not allow LE to do home and/or property searches and what area(s) were covered in doing these searches?

I also wonder if LE has plans to continue doing more searches in the future?

From Ed Dames website/forum.  His thread on this case.  Take it for what it's worth.  I hope he finds Kyron but I haven't seen any of his successes:

http://www.rvcommunity.net/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5071

Thank-you

I admit to not knowing much about Remote Viewing or this guy, Ed Dames. 

Just from what I have heard about Remote Viewing, and from the name of that itself........ 'Remote Viewing'......... a person who supposedly can do this, does so from a distance.. ie: remote. 

If that's so, then why would it matter to this guy whether or not Kyron was located on private property.  Wouldn't he be able to 'view' a location, private or not?  <scratching head>

There is one person I've heard of who is doing some 'remote viewing' clear from England, without a need to physically BE at anywhere nearby. 

So I dunno about this guy, Dames.   ::MonkeyNoNo::

I believe they used an Apache helicopter for a while looking for our lil guy on SI, no?

Yes, I do believe the government lies to us.  Further, we will never bring democracy to the Middle East, because they don't understand or wish to understand the concept and we will only end up getting a lot more people killed.

I just don't believe in psychics and I don't believe in this guy.  If there were people who really could foretell the future and find lost people, they'd all be in Vegas getting rich. In fact, no one would be lost more than ten minutes, just enough time for them to go into a trance or whatever it is they do.  Bend spoons.  Whatever.

I think there have been a lot of searches by LE and private citizen volunteers.  It's just next to impossible to find one little boy in all of that area.  They have to have some sort of information to know where to search. Terri needs to tell them.  Although she didn't say much before she retained the services of a lawyer, the only way she will say anything now is if there is something in it for her, like a plea deal.

Not my opinion and hope this hasn't been posted.

http://www.oregonlive.com/opinion/index.ssf/2010/07/difficult_questions_in_the_sea.html

Difficult questions in the search for Kyron Horman
Published: Wednesday, July 21, 2010, 9:00 AM

By David Appell

Can we ask some awkward and impolite questions about the search for Kyron Horman? Bear with me, but how much should society spend to find him?

Don't take me wrong. I certainly don't know the answer. I've never lost a child, and my heart bleeds for the Hormans. I imagine that nothing could be worse than the sudden and mysterious disappearance of a child.

((edited because oregonlive has specifically complained about us posting their articles in their entirety))

I hear ya Rosie.  And do agree!  Especially with the part that there's always more to a story.  Seems this case is missing a lot, which makes it's very hard to do anything .. but wait. 

Got a chuckle from what you said above tho, read it a couple of times even.. lol  Cuz at first I thought you were saying that there was a legal non-violent way to kill a spouse.   Oh wait.. is there?   ::MonkeyEek::   ::MonkeyDevil::

Oh I so agree about anyone who volunteers their time and abilities to help in anyway! 

And even if others don't believe in whatever abilities those may be, I do think it's admirable that folks are willing to try.  Am thinking that's the important thing here.  Am betting that many of us would be out there searching for Kyron if only we could be. 

Think I'll go check out this 'remote viewing' thing, learn a bit more about it.  I do know that other forms of being psychic can be stunningly accurate.  Forensic astrology for example, are often startingly and amazingly right on with their charts and such.  And even those who predict a case right, say that it's not always 100% accurate.   Interesting tho when they do get things right. 

IMO. 
 

 

My mind doesn't work with my fingers at times, I was trying to say through a divorce lawyer.  ::MonkeyHaHa::  SuzieQ Thank-you excellent article.

I think Kaine doted on Terri.  No would my husband buy me a sportscar with personalized plates.  And I don't see him beating up on her.  She is bigger than him!

Think that is the problem all of us are having with this case we really know next to nothing exactly what happened the day before Kyron went missing in relation to the project, Kaine nor Terry have released the details as to when and how the project got to the school.  Everyone involved with Kyron, (family and LE have kept details pretty quite).
Maybe that means they have way more than we could imagine, or maybe it means they don't have much other than she said/he said.  With every passing day my heart sinks a little more, I can not understand how a little boy can go missing from a public school I really don't.
timeline--http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/kyron_horman_chronology_of_eve.html (http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/kyron_horman_chronology_of_eve.html)

::MonkeyCheer4:: ::MonkeyCheer4::

 ::MonkeyAngel::  Yeppers, that surely would be preferable.  Weird how it seems divorce is the last option of a lot of folks these days, trying to find their way out of a marriage.  And our young people are watching, learning.. yikes!

My heart goes out to James, being an impressionable teen, living thru this kind of nightmare with family.  He's gonna need all the loving support he can get, to help him get thru it.  And I think he has that in Ron/Angela and other family members who seem to be trying to surround him with love and protection.  I worry for Kiara and Quinn too.  Hopefully while Kaine/Desiree are busy dealing with all this stuff, that Kiara/Quinn have other supportive loved ones surrounding them as well. 

IMO. 

Sebatian/Klas got into a little tit for tat with these lovely girls last night, I knew I should of copied the post as it was deleted.  But in hindsight really who cares they are only trying to gain traffic and start rumors by misleading posts, for whatever agenda they have.  I do feel they have an agenda... JMO. 
The gest of the conversation was this they stated for other posters/members to remember that the poster (me) asking these questions of us is also the one who say an evil flower in the picture.
My response was I did not see an evil flower but felt evil in "the" picture, and find it ironic that you are making fun of things like this when one of your members is a physic and the one who brought the craiglist article forward linking to the picture.  Also told them that I found it disturbing they were posting about "not talking" to the media and claiming to have "inside" information they couldn't discuss while hiding behind an admin name. 
They did not take kindly to that and removed the post oh and unliked me I am heartbroken...lol

Now they are comparing Terri to Jesus Christ!  No kidding!  ::MonkeyHaHa::

You are kidding me, OMG....some people really need help.  Not sure who they are, have my own thoughts they are pretty close to TH.  Know one of them from going back to the beginning of the site lives about 30 miles from me actually in Las Cruces.

I was afraid to find out Joy Wray started the group!

Kyron's dad attends 3 hours of meetings at sheriff's office
by Teresa Blackman, kgw.com staff

kgw.com

Posted on July 21, 2010 at 11:45 AM

Updated today at 11:49 AM

PORTLAND – The father of missing seven-year-old Kyron Horman attended three hours of meetings at the Multnomah County Sheriff’s Office Tuesday.

KGW’s live truck was parked outside the sheriff’s office as Kaine Horman entered the building around 6 p.m. and left around 9 p.m. However, Kaine told KGW on the way out that he did not wish to comment on the three hours of meetings he had just attended.

Lt. Mary Lindstrand, a spokeswoman with the sheriff’s office, also told KGW she would not comment on why Kaine was there Tuesday.

Late Wednesday morning, Sheriff Daniel Staton released a statement to the media promising he was working to complete a thorough investigation, even if he could not elaborate on all the details.

“There are many decision points which are discussed and filtered among investigators, deputy district attorneys, command staff and other experts. Our detectives and searchers are continuing to follow up on many leads to include establishing and verifying information relating to Kyron's activities prior to his disappearance,” he said in the statement.

Staton told KGW he would accept written questions from reporters and then a written statement would be released no later than Friday in response to the questions submitted.

http://www.kgw.com/news/Kyrons-dad-attends-3-hours-of-meetings-at-sheriffs-office-98945234.html

Does anyone know anything more about Kyron's glasses supposedly being found at the school? I did read this, and I am not going crazy? Also, does anyone know if there are restrooms in the area where Kyron was supposedly going to see the electronics displays? Thank you!

Thank you, Brandi... I suuure do wonder if it had anything to do with the info Harry Oakes turned over to MCSO?

It seems odd to me that no one was manning the electronics displays or were they??Nothing has been said either way.  Just cannot believe the child was abducted from school without a trace.  Too strange!!!!!!!!!!!!

Trying to NOT read too much into this but question why DY was not at the meeting?  Would think both parents would be their if related to  information on Kyron. 
Can't help but also notice no one from the family has spoke all week.

I'm completely lost on this also, without a trace on a day when the school had a special fair going on.   Brandi thank-you for the article.

Good point, and I may have missed this, but is Desiree and her husband back at home, or are they still in Portland?

Maybe they were questioning Kaine. About Terri's activities, where she usually goes, went or whatever. They have been speaking to ppl, maybe there are some discrepancies. 

To my knowledge they are back home in Medford which is nearly a 5 hour drive. 

kind of OT.

I am not a big fan of the term "psychic". To me that implies that people are above others and I don't believe that anyone is all that special. I believe that if someone has some abilities it is creator given period. Not to forget mention that I truly despise anyone who would intentionally eploit anyone specifically and only for their own personal gain/profit. It's the most sickening thing in my eyes.

That being said,
I look at people like Pam Coronado and others and I truly appreciate their contributions. I don't believe that she is a "psychic" though nor do I believe that Mr. Ed Dames is a "psychic" but I do believe they are spiritual people with Creator given abilities.
My heart goes out to anyone who for the right reasons truly cares and is doing what they can in giving their time to help others.
jmvho

Klaas, on the previous page, I noticed an oregonlive.com article posted in entirety. Thought you might want to know.

Thanks Brandi - I fixed it.  I had seen it then got side tracked, LOL  ::MonkeySlide::

Thank-you, I would imagine that both of them, Desiree and Tony, have to go too work. At least Tony does, I'm not sure what kind of employment Desiree has.

Because they have asked for so much money for the investigation and what they want to look at, it seemed to me that they didn't have a hot clue anymore. I can see them not searching any more unless there is a reason to seach a particular piece of property.

That is what I think also, unless a reliable tip comes in, then they would go and search the area. Wonder how many tips are still coming in?

I wonder if the reason for the continuous funding for the search is because a school is involved. A school holds responsibility for the safety of the students once they are on school property during scheduled times as Kyron was. Students are not supposed to just disappear without a trace.
Interesting about the 3 hour meeting. Wonder what that was about. 

That could be. One question I have is even if Desiree and Kaine believe that Terri is responsible for Kyron's disappearance, are they still able to file a law suit on the school since they are responsible for the well being of all the kids?

I have to say from what we can see from the outside looking in, she seems to be off her rocker...... JMO

Last I read on the searches, was that the info was turned over to LE to investigate, who needs 'specialized equipment' in order to more fully look in those areas.  Such as underwater cams and divers, boats etc.  The water is very murky, and if a container of sorts is moving along with the current, it could be doing so at/near the very bottom, which cannot be seen at all from the shore or boat.  Plus the dirt at the bottom is silt, something might be lodged in that silt, or juggled loose by the current only to lodge a bit further down.  All that may be part of why LE now needs extra resources.  And that's just tips/leads for areas in the water. 

Could be other tips/leads may take LE to areas on land that are difficult to reach without special equipment.  This is one reason they didn't want volunteer searching going on in some areas, because without the specialized equipment, and folks certified/licensed for that, it could be very dangerous.  There are areas with mountainous ledges, drop-offs, where trained climbers and helicopters, etc might be needed. 

I do know that much of the searching done has taken them to private property, where permission is needed, etc.  Even digging on private property would take quite a bit of effort/time/money/equipment before that can even begin. 

Any/all of the above could be part of what LE needs extra resources for. 

IMO.
 

If I was the parents and the psychic stated he can find my son within 60 feet, I would be out there private land or not.  No one in his right mind would inhibit a search of their land if there was a chance of finding this little boy, I would hope.

Were having a Tornado warning   
The sky is Black heading my way::MonkeyEek::

Yikes, Blonde!  Please take care of you! 

<snip>
Tarver says on June 8, four days after Kyron disappeared, James called him from the Hormans’ house and mentioned Terri Moulton Horman had taken a polygraph test. It’s been reported that she has since taken a second polygraph. What hasn’t been publicly confirmed until now is that authorities were already focusing on her so soon after Kyron vanished.

Tarver says when James mentioned the polygraph to him over the phone, he heard Terri Moulton Horman begin yelling in the background to be quiet and not reveal anything more. Given the intense media scrutiny, the family agreed James should return to Roseburg, Tarver says.

“It was a zoo, so we got him out of there,” Tarver says. “It’s just been devastating for the whole family. Obviously, the longer it drags on, the less chance there is for a happy ending.”

http://wweek.com/editorial/3634/14214/

Please tell me someone what is the general suspicion of TH and being involved with the disappearance from school.   I thought she has been seen leaving the school without Kyron!!  What could she have done in the school without someone noticing?  Stuffed him somewhere?  This is so puzzling to me, I am becoming cockeyed. ::MonkeyEek::

Stay safe Blonde  ::MonkeyAngel::                     Thank-you Wyks for the searching info.

Not sure...but I think they are taking care of things in Medford with Kaine taking care of his side in Portland. Knowing that Tony was a handler with the Medford Police, a very good one & the dog he used even has a plaque in the station since his passing, makes me have even more faith in them siding with one another & opposing Terri. IMO, he's the real deal & knows his chit. Also, something that tends to be overlooked is the fact that Capt. Mike Schultz was with their family, at the Horman home, & if I remember correctly he only went home to sleep (or was that Staton?). He would have seen certain mannerisms, would have heard certain answers to questions, he would have documented any & all of this information. It is for that reason alone that that I think the sheriff's office has much pertinent info that will be put together & utilized in court when the appropriate time comes up. Something else, Oregon Live and oregononline.com is the original source for some of the info being used in this case. I think it's pertinent to see & read the questions & answers presented in Kyron's Blended Family & also in hearing Carol Moulton's initial prior interview with them. The sheriff's office will not comment on anything that they consider pertinent to solving their investigation - I believe that is very telling...especially considering the fact that they thanked the media right after certain articles were released. They, imo, received some leads from hearing from outsiders or even friends of the family that disagreed with the answers to some of those questions. I noted more than one discrepancy...and also noted that alot of this info was derived from the interview with Carol Moulton & friends of Terri's that were not friends with Desiree, so basically only hearsay from Terri to them. One statement I find intriguing is when Tarver said James came to live with them in March. Note that he didn't say that he came to Roseburg in March, yet some articles could infer that. I believe James went to Roseburg in Jan or Feb to live with his grandparents (Carol & Larry Moulton), in turn seeing his father & Angela some weekends & therefore being able to "work the horse with Allisa), then moving in with his father & step mother in March. I could be wrong...but...I kinda don't think so. I personally think the investigators are using the media, or rather working in an extended hand with the media, to facilitate correct answers with regards to Kyron's family dynamic. If this is the true case, then I applaud them for using this technique. What an ingenious way to extend their dollar & make the money that they have work for them. For example, if the media asks a question and maybe one answer is just a little off, then that could be thought of as a common mistake of misplaced or mixed up info. However, when several questions are answered & thosed answers are found to have discrepancies, then it would give investigators a reason to pause when considering the true source of the erroneous info. This info, the truth in the info, may not point to it's source as being a perp...but it could possibly show dysfunction in their brain, a mental issue of sorts. I personally think Terri is the key...not sure I'm keen on her being the perp, but do think if it's not her then it's someone she's acquainted with. That's just my take on it...maybe it means nothing...

As far as Kaine is concerned, I just haven't seen anything pointing to his involvement. I remember what happened with Jug Twitty when those rumors surfaced - complete erroneous rumors - those same rumors may still abound today and all to no avail. Then he & Beth got divorced. Maybe it wasn't related, who knows, but one thing I do know is that was a flat out lie & totally unjustified. That man's reputation was put into question & he didn't deserve it. The real culprit was Urine Vanfullofslop! All that stupid rumor did was cause that family even more pain then they were already enduring. It doesn't mean people can't investigate under the radar, heck I'm looking into a few things myself with regards to the Masons. It doesn't mean this guy is the perp...when all info points to somebody else's involvement.

I stand by the following statement: In no way, shape or form do I personally believe Tony and/or Desiree Young are involved in Kyron Horman's disappearance. This man is an esteemed police detective. His entire police station would know sooo much about his family that it's not even funny. If one of them were involved, I personally believe it would have been released by now.

I also still consider Kaine to be a victim, no matter the surrounding circumstances of his failed marriage. No matter what, nothing is reason enough to put a hit out on somebody & to be involved in a disappearance of any kind, especially the disappearance of an innocent child.

As I recall there are reports of her leaving the school without Kyron and then there were 2 teachers that thought they saw her leaving WITH Kyron.  So who the heck knows.

Hey Patricia, I just wanted to say I'm really glad you didn't stop posting on this thread. I love reading your posts. I love reading pdh3, also, but to have varying opinions makes for a much more well-rounded online investigation. For that, I thank you.

I'm not sure if this is the case or not, but from my perspective I tend to think that people's experience shows in the posts and threads they comment on. When an idea is more dear to us, it tends to be bc we've personally experienced it, therefore we may try harder to debunk another's opinion. I don't think it's to make it personal, I think it's bc we can;t help but to take it personal, follow what I mean? I personally agree with alot of what people say on here. Sometimes it's hard to take in, but it's only bc of my past experiences, therefore it might hurt to read certain theories or read certain questions.

Anyway, I'm really grateful you're still posting. Hugs to ya honeybunches!

Oh!!  Now I see.  I did not know about the teachers sighting with Kyron scenario.  that explains that.  So, if teachers thought they saw TH with Kyron and only a kid thought they saw her without Kyron, I lean more toward believing the teachers may have indeed saw her leaving with Kyron.  She sure has the body language and actions of a guilty person but I had not hear the whole story.  Thanks a bunch!

FYI - this is an example of what Ed Dames considers one of his success stories. 

60 Miles?  Within 60 Miles?  That's a whole lot of trees/brush/forest to search in Portland or anywhere.


(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/EdDamesFossett-1.jpg)

One thing we do know, Klaas, and I tend to this this is the most importsnt tidbit that the police have given us...they know that Terri Horman was the last person to see Kyron Horman.

This is from Captain Jason Gates statement on 6/18/10:
Detectives work in this case is exhaustive and they, along with Kyron’s family, are asking for the community’s assistance regarding anyone who saw not only Kyron, but also who may have seen Terri Horman and/or the truck she was driving that morning. Terri is the last person known to have seen him before he disappeared.

Awe! Thanks Titch. ( How funny too! I call my Children Honeybunches and Oats sometimes LOL! )
I agree with you and my stepping aside was more a gesture of keeping peace than anything else. I have no intentions to create disdain or derail the topic.
I too read everyone's comments, pdh3's included, and take into consideration all possibilities. We just don't know all the facts to prove any particular theory yet. The truth will reveal itself in this case and until then my eyes are open to all possibilities. I may believe a particular theory over anotherabout this or any case but until the facts become known my eyes are open.

((((((( HUGS )))))))

Patty - Definitely ditto right back atcha...

Klaas, sorry to quote myself...but... Considering this came directly from MCSO, I wonder if they debunked Tanner's account of seeing Ky around 9:00 "downstairs on his way to see a cool electric one". When was Tanner's interview? Also, was the interview done the same day it aired? Was it before the 18th? I thought it was before the 18th, and if so, that means MCSO discredited that account.

I did a little research on Ed Dames today. I realized I had heard of him before also, and not in a very good light.

And while Dames evidently did once work for the CIA as part of its tests of Remote Viewing, Randi (somewhat gleefully) points out that the "head of the CIA himself publicly declared that Dames found absolutely nothing for the CIA." The Remote Viewing program, the director said, had been "a waste of 20 million dollars. There were no results."
http://www.darkecho.com/skepticalbeliever/two.html

There's a lot out there on Ed Dames.

I don't think Ed Dames can help find Kyron. JMO. YMMV.

 ::MonkeyWink::

 ::HelloKitty::

That is very interesting. Thank you Cookie. I am not sure what type of investigative work he actually did for the CIA so in order for me to form an opinion I would need more information to make a determination about him.
jmvho

Just so know the rules what do you mean by this, links only? 
Thanks...

Quoting myself again bc I found this article. Since MCSO issued that statement on 6/18/10 of Terri being the last person to see Kyron and considering this article describing Tanner's interview, I think it's safe to say it's been debunked that Tanner saw Kyron around 9:00 on the 4th. Considering that Tanner also said he saw Terri leave, if that were true, then it would be safe to say Terri was not the last person to see Kyron. Again not ethat on June 18, 2010 the MCSO issued a formal statement including the info that Terri was the last person known to see Kyron before he disappeared. I'd like to note that this link has since been either archived or deactivated from Koin but it's dated 6/11/10 and is viewable using Google Cache:

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:Ee6Oi5_j87cJ:www.koinlocal6.com/content/news/topstories/story/Hormans-Desk-Mate-Says-Substitute-Noticed-Him/TVY3YTREG0SyCP3tb3MkZg.cspx%3Frss%3D1100+Hormans-desk-mate-says-substitute-noticed-Horman&cd=3&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

I may be wrong and somebody please correct me if I am, but I think it was taken out of contact.  LE posted a pic of Kyron without his glasses in case he was not wearing them if spotted. 
But I do remember talk of glasses found and they were old and scratched but think that was rumor?

And oh my gosh I clicked to read the article and found that it was all about $$$. Good grief if people had that type of ability where they could do something to obtain big bucks then all the known people who were able to provide credible information in the past would all be rich though ennit?
Here's my take on things...It's all in our Creator's hands and if our Creator wanted us to be financially wealthy then we would be without the use of and/or abusing what some consider as a "gift".
That thought has "Abuse of power" written all over it.
Imagine the craziness that a person with that type of power might cause/create? Scary! I don't think our Creator would ever give anyone that type of power.
I know I wouldn't if I were God.

Just my thoughts...

Hi Muffy!

Please could you edit my post to show 6/18/10. I accidentally typed 6/16/10. Thank you so much...I just don't wanna throw anybody off...

Re: « Reply #125 on: July 21, 2010, 04:32:34 PM »

I got it (I think)  ::MonkeyCool::

Titch - I'm trying to find the exact date of the Tanner interview but I uploaded to Youtube on June 20th which would indicate to me that it was aired on June 19 or 20.  Still looking for exact date though.

I see you found it on June 11th, so way prior to LE stating Terri was the last person with Kyron.  I do believe they have dismissed Tanners recollection.  Probably why they didn't want him to give an interview.

I wish we knew more about the meeting Kaine had yesterday evening, am glad to read that LE will take a Q and A in writing, that is positive.

And agree with others TY and DY have been nothing but upfront, and agree TY has a great inside knowledge of reading people and situations.  My heart breaks for DY, and if she did go home sure that was so hard for her to do, try to go back and be somewhat normal, how does one do that.

At this point I do not think Kaine had anything to do with his son vanishing and have great sympathy for him.
I am so on the fence with Terri, she has some serious issues, the possible MFH, the sexting, the pictures bother me on her facebook not having Kyron tagged as Kiara was.  I want to believe that all of this is a decoy of sorts by LE, that they know or think they know where Kyron might be or taken by, believing this allows the possiblility of Kyron being alive.  And more important that another "mother" has not harmed a sweet innocent child.

So until LE says she flunked the poly, she is a suspect, she is guilty of MFH plot, I will stick on the fence.

Thanks D! I was up until the wee hours last night going through thoughts and theories. I cannot help but wonder if TH had an accomplice, probably male that come into the Science Fair at the same time as others so not to look like a loner. Terri leaves and Kyron goes into the bathroom. The accomplice meets Kyron in the bathroom. Kyron changes his clothes? dons a baseball hat and takes off his glasses. Then the accomplice and Kyron leave the school and no one is the wiser. Of course for this theory to work, Kyron would have to have been told something to get him to cooperate. The accomplice could have walked in (again mixed in with other parents) with a backpack. People would probably not think much of it. When he then left with Kyron, Kyron's old clothes would be in the backpack. I don't know, this case is making me crazy. It just seems that the parents are pretty sure that Terri is involved and they all seem to believe that Kyron is still alive.

Muffy, thank you so much!

http://www.kgw.com/news/Kyrons-dad-attends-3-hours-of-meetings-at-sheriffs-office-98945234.html

Screen grab of Kaine leaving LE last night.  Question, would it still be this bright at 9pm in Portland?  It wouldn't here but I realize some areas stay light much later.

He looks unstressed or pleased.  Can't put my finger on it.  He does not look angry.

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/Kaine072010Police.jpg)

Looks relieved and quite possibly pleased to me, Klaas.

Klaas, I forgot to provide this link which is the backup to the statement made by the MCSO...I go here alot to keep my perception as clear & concise as I can:
http://www.mcso.us/public/newsroom.htm

Something else that's here is this (which was added on 6/11/10)...which I beg to find the answer for this - Why was the media notified BEFORE the FBI?:

http://www.mcso.us/public/newsroom/Kyron_PIO_timeline.pdf

1) What time was 9-1-1 called?
Answer: BOEC received call at 1556 (3:56 p.m.). Dispatched to police units at 1559 (3:59 p.m.).
2) When did the first officers arrive on scene?
Answer: Portland Police Bureau and Multnomah County Sheriff’s Office units arrived at 1633 (4:33 p.m.) simultaneously at Skyline school and Kyron’s home.
3) Who made the call?
Answer: Skyline School secretary Susan Hall.
4) What time was FBI notified?
Answer: Between 2030 (8:30 p.m.) and 2050 (8:50 p.m.).
5) When did Multnomah County Sheriff’s Office notify media?
Answer: Multnomah County Sheriff’s Office PIO was notified between 1900 (7:00 p.m.) and 1915 (7:15 p.m.) while providing a tour at the Multnomah County Justice Center. PIO returned pages from media and told them to meet PIO in the area of the school. PIO arrived at 2015 (8:15 p.m.), met with present media and provided them with Kyron’s photo. This was followed up by the PIO emailing photo to Portland TV and Oregonlive.

http://www.kgw.com/news/Kyrons-dad-attends-3-hours-of-meetings-at-sheriffs-office-98945234.html

Made a little gif of Kaine, kept it a bit slow to help us see his expression.

(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/Kyron/kaine.gif)

I wonder why he did not utilize that opportunity to again speak to the public about the case? I understand that LE is being tight lipped but too Kaine has already orchestrated a media conference so he knows how to handle them. Why miss this chance to speak to the media in regards to searching for his son etc?

Maybe I am missing something but it certainly makes me wonder.

Thank you Brandi. Looks like he may have gotten some encouraging info? Maybe?

Klaas:

8:51pm Wednesday (PDT) - Sunset in Portland, OR

They said it was "around" 9 pm when he left, so it could very well have been.

Thought I'd share as I haven't seen it posted:

MULTNOMAH COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE ACCEPTING MEDIA QUESTIONS REGARDING KYRON CASE
Posted: July 21st, 2010 10:24 AM

Sheriff Daniel Staton and Multnomah County Sheriff's Office understands that the community and media have many questions regarding the Kyron Horman investigation.  We can ensure you that our primary goal is to complete a thorough investigation. As stated in prior press releases, there are many decision points which are discussed and filtered among investigators, deputy district attorneys, command staff and other experts. Our detectives and searchers are continuing to follow-up on many leads to include establishing and verifying information relating to Kyron's activities prior to his disappearance.

Multnomah County Sheriff's Office would like to provide the media the opportunity to submit questions they would like answered regarding Kyron Horman case. Please understand and remember this is an ongoing criminal investigation. There will be some questions that cannot be answered based on this fact.

Submit your questions to Kyron.case.questions@mcso.us. This email address will be accepting questions up to 2pm today, July 21, 2010.

A written statement will be released no later than Friday July 23, 2010 based on the questions submitted.   

The Multnomah County Sheriff's Office would also like to announce that a press conference is scheduled for Tuesday July 27, 2010 at the Hanson Building located at 12240 NE Glisan Portland, Oregon. The exact time for this press conference will be announced by Friday July 23, 2010.
Present at this conference will be Chief Deputy Tim Moore and Lead Investigator of the Kyron case Sgt. Lee Gosson. The purpose of this press conference will be to provide an update of the case and respond to questions that were submitted regarding the case.

Do you have a link for this press release, please?

Here is the link to, what I believe to be, the original story connected with Tanner's interview (June 9). The link to the associated video is located at the bottom of the story.

http://www.kptv.com/kyron-horman/23842774/detail.html

Here ya go Brandi:
http://www.flashalert.net/news.html?id=1276

Hello and welcome to the cage, nicubird!

(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/Welcome/Image1135.png)

Nice to have a new monkey to post with us!

Probably was told not to answer questions about the meeting as that might tip off any concerned parties. Since DY wasn't there, I surmise that it was a thorough debriefing of his past with Terri and everything he might know concerning her. Including mutual friends and acquaintances, people she may have mentioned in passing that he didn't know; any history of lying no matter how insignificant; were they having an affair while he was married to DY, etc.
JIMO.

Thank You THANK YOU Thank You nicubird! Your link to the original is even earlier...now I'm about positive they discredited the account of the 9:00 am sighting! Thanks so much!

PS - The NICU is where I originally wanted to work, with terminally ill children or babies born prematurely, etc. If that's what your nicu stands for (Neonatal Intensive Care Unit), then you must possess a strong heart!

Welcome to Scared Monkeys, nicubird!

That is very strange he does look pleased but why?
Can it  be because their going to arrest Teri and he happy..

Hi Monkey's,

Tomorrow -Thursday, July 22, a hearing for SM?  Perhaps this is why KH looks peaceful?

Thank you Brandi! I've lurked this forum for quite awhile and have appreciated your artistic reminders of Kyron. It's difficult to break in as a new poster, but I've seen how welcoming you all have been to the newcomers. I look forward to exchanging ideas and opinions.

Thanks Titch. I've enjoyed your even-handed, well thought out observations concerning this case and look forward to more insights.

Because he was told not to?  My impression is that Kaine has been working WITH LE not against them.

Kaine Horman speaks about missing son Kyron while visiting the ‘wall of hope’. Watch the interview at 5 pm on KGW-TV and kgw.com

http://twitter.com/KGWNews

I believe they stream their news online if you want to watch it. That's 5 PM PST. 8 PM EST ... and somewhere in between wherever you are ;-p

Thanks for the reminder seahorse!

Welcome NICU!

From what I can tell, there isn't a restraining order keeping Carol & Larry Moulton away from Kiara. I'm curious if they've visited her since she's been separated from her mother, and if not, why?

I'm also curious to know if Terri and/or her parents have visited with James. It appeared that they were all very close. Seems like James would need that strong foundation right about now.

Wow, thank you! Be nice if we played a hand in finding this little pookie! Ya never know...just maybe...

Kyron Horman Update: Terri Moulton Horman to Appear in Court Next Week
2:44 PM July 13th, 2010 by James Pitkin
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Stephen Houze, attorney for the stepmom of missing 7-year-old Kyron Horman, told reporters this afternoon outside a Multnomah County courtroom his client will soon make her first public appearance in weeks.

Terri Moulton Horman is scheduled to appear in front of Judge Keith Meisenheimer next Thursday, July 22, for a preliminary hearing in the combined divorce and restraining-order case brought by her husband, Kaine Horman.

Houze also said a hearing is set for Sept. 21 on Kaine Horman’s request that Terri Horman be held in contempt of court for allegedly allowing her lover to see his sealed petition for a restraining order against her.

Bombarded with reporters’ questions about those cases and Terri Horman’s possible role in Kyron’s disappearance June 4, Houze repeatedly declined to comment. Houze did say he will represent Terri Horman in family court as well as in the investigation into what happened to Kyron.

Minutes later outside the courthouse, Kaine Horman’s divorce attorney, Laura Rackner, also declined to comment on most questions from reporters about the case. She did acknowledge that investigators had provided useful ammo in building her client’s case for the restraining order and Kaine Horman’s other request that Terri Horman be held in contempt.

“Law enforcement has provided a lot of information,” Rackner said.

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:0-8hMvgWSt8J:blogs.wweek.com/news/2010/07/13/kyron-horman-update-terri-moulton-horman-to-appear-in-court-next-tuesday/+Thursday,+July+22,+a+hearing+for+teri&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=opera

From the Terri Horman Support fb.

"Eric Robert Linden JR is in a relationship with Windy Chatfield Burdon who's hometown is Roseburg Oregon.  Just tryng to figure out how some of these people fit. "

Sorry way behind, just read this from the last thread, my girlfriend in Ca., is Windy's aunt, and she has posted on her fb that her niece is a good friend of the family.  Sent her an E-mail, will see if I can get some answers!

Kaine is d@mned if he does, and d@mned if he doesn't. The poor guy doesn't know if he should sh!t or go blind.......

I suppose but doesn't that look bright to you?  LOL

Right Klaas. It's just frustrating not knowing what is going on behind LE doors. If that quick glimpse of Kaine's face coupled with his body movements are any indication then I suspect it is a lot and hopefully we will see movement in this case very soon.

I don't know what he was thinking, because no one is talking, sure they have good reason, not too concerned with our need to know....lol
With that said the only way I would be able to have an upbeat sort of expression was "if" they "LE" told me that my son was alive and well, or the probably of him being alive and well was very high.  JMO>>>last thing I would be worried about would be the fate of my soon to be ex that wanted to off me.....lol  So I am pleased he had that look on his face gives me hope for Kyron.

Well, yeah. But on a bright, clear sunny day, I can see it possible right around sunset.

Hi nicubird, and welcome!   ::HelloKitty::

You're welcome, Rosie!   ::dogwag::

Hi nicubird and welcome to the cage :)

I just wanted to say it's 8:08 right now on the east coast & it's waaay bright outside still. Last night the sun didn't go down till around 8:30.

Going to the movies AGAIN tonight! So excited that my older boys are away bc my hubby gives me $$$ to spoil our 8 y/o to keep him busy! Yay! We're seeing The Sorcerer's Apprentice. I'm taking him & his best buddy.

I love the summer bc I get a breat from wrestling matches & football games! I've been cramming in the beach time, movies, zoos & amusements over this past month bc football practice starts on Monday! So far we've seen:
Eclipse (2X) - loved it but book was waaay better
The Last Airbender - absolutely LOVED it even though it got bad reviews
Despicable Me - super funny
Toy Story 3 - the best one yet
Grown Ups - when this comes out on dvd, it will be a staple in my house...superfunny

Hoping something kicks in tonight. Where is Kyron?

Hey Klaas, I just found this for ya :)

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:3sSordxzytQJ:www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/astronomy.html%3Fn%3D202+sunset+in+portland+oregon+july+20,+2010&cd=2&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us


Rising and setting times for the Sun
     
Date           Sunrise  Sunset 
Jul 17, 2010 5:38 AM 8:55 PM 15h 16m 17s − 1m 46s 1:17 PM 65.6°  152.033
Jul 18, 2010 5:39 AM 8:54 PM 15h 14m 27s − 1m 49s 1:17 PM 65.4°  152.023
Jul 19, 2010 5:40 AM 8:53 PM 15h 12m 35s − 1m 52s 1:17 PM 65.2°  152.012
Jul 20, 2010 5:41 AM 8:52 PM 15h 10m 39s − 1m 55s 1:17 PM 65.0°  152.001
Jul 21, 2010 5:42 AM 8:51 PM 15h 08m 40s − 1m 58s 1:17 PM 64.9°  151.988
Jul 22, 2010 5:43 AM 8:50 PM 15h 06m 38s − 2m 01s 1:17 PM 64.7°  151.975
Jul 23, 2010 5:44 AM 8:49 PM 15h 04m 34s − 2m 04s 1:17 PM 64.5°  151.962

All times are in local time for Portland

He does look different, sort of light and is smiling, hopefully he received positive word on his son. Everyday I look for updates on Kyron. I hope and pray this little fellow will be found, either way it turns out, he needs to be found.
Where is Kyron? This is the question that needs to be answered, everything else will fall into place from there. jmo

I have to agree.  Terri may have moved in , James in tow, to help care for Kyron once Desiree was not able to due to her physical ailments.  But it seems that Terri was not holding a job at that time.  Kaine must of loved her to let her move in with her son,  not expect her to hold an outside job, buy a 4 acre property with house, marry her..and for Mother's Day give her a red Mustang with vanity plates.  Come on now ladies...this is not someone abusing her..this is someone doting on her. 

She has PPD..I wouldn't be surprised to find that he made the appointment for her.  He said they both attended counseling..she was on meds..he thought it was getting better. 

And even after Kyron went missing she was still doting on herself. 

I have a question about the property..4 acres seems like a dream world could have been created for the boys and Kiara..outside..if Terri was so inclined.  I could be wrong..but I saw no swing set, no forts for play and paintball games, no snadbox, no jungle gym.  Usually the Mom or the kids brings the subject up..why no outside area for the kids to play with their friends?  Just seems odd to me..4 acres..yet no spefic area for kids to roam and play and build and swing?

KATU released clarification with regard to the Friday Dr appt in their live 5 pm broadcast. I've read that they are to repeat the information at 5:30 pm.

http://www.katu.com/news/live

Yes it does look bright.  It is possible that it was taken when he "arrived" and not as he was leaving (or is there a time stamp?)

Just took my 7 year old to it.  I love the minions! ::MonkeyHaHa::

I think so to.  I just wonder if PPD can be a cause for acts that pre-meditated?

Okay after seeing Kaine leave the police station, hearing him on the news via KGW in Portland, knowing the high standard that Tony Young would himself and family too, I would have to say 100% they are nothing more than a heartbroken family, dealing with a heartbreaking situation.
Terri Moulton Horman????  big question mark with her, but Kaine's lawyer WOULD not say to the world Law Enforcement has given us a lot of information against her in the contempt of court filing and the hearing set for tomorrow if not true.  That alone does not say anything about Kyron, or Terri's involvement in Kyron's vanishing.
We have two possibilities with Terri's involvement regarding the lie detector she was lying to LE about her affairs (I think Michael Cook was around before June 4Th, who starts up a sexting relationship while your highschool buddy's child is missing?), the MFH Plot or the one that is kind of staring me right in the face she knows what happened to Kyron.
I hate to believe that or think that, she had little more than four hours to take care of Kyron, go home and post the picture, pretend to pick him up at the bus, OMG that is so cold and calculating and premeditate.  Yet the using of the truck instead of mustang, the doctor's appointment now confirmed by school that was told by Terri to be the 4Th not the 11Th, and worst of all two teachers seeing Kyron with Terri the last time Kyron was ever seen.

God speed to you Kyron, Dear Lord please watch over this innocent Little boy and all the other abused children in our sad world.

The broadcast is actually 6 pm and not 5:30 pm on KATU. Hopefully they will repeat the information at that time. Currently I only have second hand knowledge of the content of the release and am not sure if I'm allowed to post that info without a link.

This is sad

Go ahead and post and we'll know that it's 2nd hand and we need to verify with first had  ::MonkeyCool::

TY BabsKats

Maybe LE asked Kaine to come in and tell him that he is hurting the investigation by releasing info that the police have shared with him during their “ briefings “.
Point a. )
The contempt charge that his divorce lawyer filed with some carefully worded sentences about Terri sexting  and texting Mike Cook. Is that helping bring Kyron home ?
If Kaine is going to get down and dirty in his divorce, let him do so but were all these agents there to help him get the goods on her for him to use in his divorce ? Public monies were used for that operation and Kaine gets to use the product of this to inflame the public against Terri? I would not be surprised if Mr. Houze sent a letter to the MCSD.
I read that she was getting threats. She has only been named a POI or a suspect by the family, while LE is silent.

Wow, that doctor's appointment discrepancy is big news if it's true. I tried the KATU link but couldn't find anything on that site. Where did that info come from? TIA

ITA Klaas.  For the first time in weeks Kaine looks less stressed then we have seen him prior.

I hope that tomorrow's hearing isn't postponed or called off.  This will be the first time Terri has had to publicly account for her actions in court. 

Just curious, what's with Kaine hanging beads up all along the fence? The only thing I can think of is maybe for people to twist a stuffed animal in them to hang onto the fence?

Gypsy not disagreeing with you, do have a question though, I have heard it said before that Kaine bought the mustang for her as a gift where did that come from?

And yes 4 acres a teen ager and a 7 year old and soon to be toddler and no swing set, sandbox, forts, treehouses, basketball goal, etc. is very strange. 

We live on a farm and it is like mowing the national park keeping up with it, but it is done, my nephew was visiting last week and he built a fort well actually a tepee toys everywhere swing sets and we have no kids all grown.  But when they were growing up we had tons of playstuff.

You know what I just thought about TH teen age son, (prefer to not use his name, another one I feel so bad for he gets to have his name on the internet for the rest of his life related to this), we haven't heard from friends who would "hang out" about what he was like.  Shocked no one has found friends they would be very telling on what was going on with him and why he left, the dynamics of what was going on it that house.

who lives in Portland?  go be our reporter and find this out...lol

Thanks Klaas. You covered it in your previous post. Multiple sources say that teachers thought Kyron would not be in class that day because of a doctor's appointment and that 2 teachers confirmed seeing him with TH. KATU will be repeating this information during their 6 pm broadcast.

Also, in an effort not to disrupt the board further with my appreciation for all the wonderful welcomes...Thank You to all!!!

http://www.kptv.com/news/24345657/detail.html
(http://www.kptv.com/2010/0721/24345690_240X180.jpg)

Father: Kyron Horman Is 'Waiting To Be Found'

POSTED: 4:39 pm PDT July 21, 2010
UPDATED: 5:52 pm PDT July 21, 2010

PORTLAND, Ore. -- The father of a missing Portland boy said he wants to limit the distractions surrounding the investigation into the disappearance of his son, who he said is "waiting to be found."

Kaine Horman's interview Wednesday was the first since he moved back into his family's northwest Portland home. A restraining ordered filed in June forced his estranged wife, Terri Horman, to move last weekend so he and the couple's 20-month-old daughter could return.

Deputies said Terri Horman was the last person to see Kyron Horman the day he vanished from Skyline Elementary School on June 4 after an early morning science fair. Investigators haven't named any suspects or persons of interest in the case.

Kaine Horman remained adamant his 7-year-old son is alive as he stood outside the Wall of Hope -- a gathering of cards, balloons and letters dedicated to Kyron -- located near his grade school.

"I get really emotional every time I come up here. It's amazing," Kaine Horman said.

Investigators from the Multnomah County Sheriff's Office haven't revealed many details in the criminal investigation. The missing boy's father also declined to provide details, but said he received support from across the country.

http://www.mcso.us/PAID/Default.aspx

Link to who is a guest, someone sent this to me. No names except Sanchez.
..
NOW they remember about the doctor's appointment. ??? I am calling bs with more games.

Terri thought Kaine was all that plus a bag of chips at one point also.
I am not a fan of Terri's, but I do not like the way LE is operating.

http://www.kgw.com/

Kaine Horman pays visit to Kyron's 'wall of hope'   Video

Well that comtempt charge could be helping find Kyron..because it is putting pressure on Terri.

You remember Terri was the last known person to see Kyron..right?

I agree. That was sad. This was the first time I've seen and heard Kaine get so emotional. I'm sure he was in past interviews but I think he's the kind it's hard to tell. In this one, I think he seemed also upset that the house was incomplete, mentioning that Kyron was missing, but I somehow think Terri's absence may also be getting to him in some way. I hope he's soon able to emotionally distance himself from her.

during the live interview with a spokesperson from the school he made it clear that Terri had the teacher Kyron had an appt on June 4th and the two teachers seeing Kyron with Terri.
Will see if they have it up yet.

Maybe a stretch, but maybe Mr. truck full of food and supplies for Terri (Michael Cook) wasn't his 1st stop. Maybe this was his way of telling Terri that "food and supplies" were dropped off where Kyron is being held.......WE CAN HOPE!!!!

A contempt of court is no biggie in the scheme of things. They aren't going to be able to ask her any questions about Kyron or anything else they want to ask her. And she will be there with her criminal attorney or her other divorce attorney.  It's trumped up like NG's BOMBSHELLS, or BREAKING NEWS.

I think he may have a little girl going from room to room in that house asking " Where is mama" as well. It would be difficult for him to distance himself from that. Kiara is not angry with her mother as Kaine is. She only misses her.

I'm sure little Kitty is running around the house looking for her mother, wouldn't even know what you are to say too a child that age about what is going on  ::MonkeyNoNo:: and where her mom is.

...
I would have some faith in the doctors appointment story of it had come out June 4,5,6,7,8,9,
and if it was not coming from an organization who might be trying to cover their butts for doing nothing when he wasn't in the class.

The quote  about the Mustang as a gift was from Terri herself on her FB page.  A pic and then and then Terri stated something shiny for the driveway..or something like that with an explanation that Kaine had bought it for her as a gift.   

And here's one more shout out to you..Welcome aboard nicubird!!!! ::monkeywine2::

Wonder why the school spokesperson didn't come out sooner about the doctor's appointment sooner? I'm sure the school district is very worried about a lawsuit.

Maybe LE told the school not to give out information about the appointment until now?  Sorry, I don't see them lying.

Just a guess, but they may have been instructed by LE. I'm sure there's a lot more info LE are keeping tight lipped about. JMO

One more thing, they had not cameras or any other stop gap measures.  The horse has already left the barn so no need for CYA against lawsuits at this point in time.

I really have no idea at this point who is lying or not. Maybe the police will confirm the appointment time and whether it was for the 4th or for the next Friday. Though I would have no idea why you would tell the teacher a week in advance about an appointment, maybe you have to do that now, just know when my kids were young, I never gave a week in advance.

I think that the school district and  school super has been told to keep a tight lip on the events of that day.  Remember in a very early broadcast the  school super was saying something about ..and now this investigation has turned into a criminal investigation..and LE  or someone sort of interviened and helped him off the camera?  Then the cat was out of the bag..and LE officially called this a criminal investigation?  IDK..but I thought that was how that came about.  Then it was another week or two before we heard about Kaine and Kiarar moving out, the LS , the MFH, Terri failing polys.  I think LE has kept a very close reign on all this..and has used the family and school (in a postive way) to make statements for them.  Thus slowly by surely and continually placing pressure on Terri.  Little bits of info here and there..to let her know they know she's involved.

That school had very bad / lax policies. Like I said, if it had come from the teacher alot earlier, today it comes from a spokesman for the school. PR move. CYA.
They put a sign up for a public event, no cameras, no sign ins, no clue who was there and who wasn't, no paperwork documenting this appointment.  I am not trying to defend Terri I want this kiddo found and if she had anything to do with it, they better all start doing their jobs better.

What if it comes from the teacher herself?  What if it is stated as June 4th in paperwork signed by Terri?

LE may be using the school and family to make statements, I would just prefer to hear it out of the mouth of LE instead, imo.

It is kind of like I am getting the sense (not necessarily on this site) that some people think that there is big conspiracy to frame Terri that goes from the FBI all the way down to Kaine Horman.

I'm not into conspiracies, to me it takes way too much energy. I just know from following way too many cases that I prefer info coming from the police, just makes more sense to me, and that is all. I personally am not looking to be on anyone's side, just waiting for the police to come out and make statements, hard for me to trust things that are being said otherwise.

http://www.katu.com/news/local/98981009.html


Sources: Terri Horman vague on Kyron’s doctor appointment date

By Anna Song KATU News and KATU.com Staff



Story Published: Jul 21, 2010 at 7:11 PM PDT

Story Updated: Jul 21, 2010 at 7:11 PM PDT
Sources: Terri Horman vague on Kyron’s doctor appointment date

PORTLAND, Ore. - There was no expectation on the part of Skyline School that Kyron Horman would be in class after the science fair the day he disappeared, according to multiple sources.

Prior to his June 4 disappearance, Kyron Horman’s stepmother, Terri Horman, informed his teacher he had a doctor’s appointment on Friday, the sources said, and it was why there was no expectation Kyron would be in class after the science fair. Once class began at 10 a.m., his teacher marked him absent.

According to sources, investigators believe Terri Horman was vague about which Friday she was referring to when she gave notice to the school Kyron would be gone and only after he was missing did she clarify that the doctor’s appointment was on June 11, the Friday after the science fair.

Portland Public Schools spokesperson Matt Shelby told KATU News, "Two teachers were the last school staff to see Kyron at Skyline. His own teacher and another teacher saw him inside the school with his stepmother, and there didn't appear to be anything out of the ordinary.”

Kim Holm’s son, Kurtis, who Terri Horman photographed with his science project around the time she took a picture of Kyron that morning, said her son knew about the appointment too.

“And the teacher said, ‘I thought he left with his mom,’ because they thought they had a doctor appointment,” Holm said. “And then at lunchtime, Kurtis ate lunch with him every day, he wasn’t there at lunchtime. And then I got a call at 4:30ish, saying he didn’t get off the bus, I guess. And Kurtis said, ‘Oh yeah, I knew he was already gone all day Mom.’”

At 1:21 that afternoon Terri Horman posted the science fair photos on her Facebook page. At 3:30 she went to meet Kyron’s school bus, which he never boarded. Then came her 9-1-1 call, and the search for Kyron began.

The issue of the doctor appointment is among several questions KATU News has submitted to Multnomah County Sheriff Dan Staton. He is expected to answer those questions, in writing, sometime in the next couple of days.

Terri Horman has not been named a suspect or person of interest in Kyron’s disappearance and there have been no arrests made in the case.

Notes for absences have to be written in advance at the kiddos school. If the kid isn’t going to be there a phone call is required to the secretary. Or they phone your house. And then they phone all of the contacts. They might wonder of the kiddo left the house and met an accident on the way to school.
Why ? Safety purposes.
What if there was a fire ? Aren’t they under some obligation to know who is there and who isn’t ?
What if a kid gets into some trouble in the bathroom or another room and no one takes any heed and something bad happens. Up here, it has, kiddo hung himself accidentally in the bathroom on a hook, fooling around, but they missed him before the last bell of the day rang. The schools have some responsibilities to ensure the safety of the kids. 
And that school didn’t seem to get it. It’s 2010, what is wrong with them ?

So according to the school, they were under the assumption that Kyron had a doctors appointment and wouldn't be in school AND Kurtis thought the same thing.

I am not one of those. I do not like the way LE is behaving. I do not like the school's policies.
IF the school had been doing their job, the way they do here, a person, and it very well could be Terri Horman would not have had such a window of opportunity. And so much time before it was noticed.   

That's what I'm getting out of the info Klaas.

Every year the schools send home so much paperwork that you have to fill out when the school year begins. They ask question after question, including, home phone, work phone, cell phone, family members names and numbers. Yet, when Amber Dubois did not show up for school, they made ONE call to the home number and when they did not get a live voice, left a message on the phone. I don't think it would be asking to much to get the attentance person to ulitilize some of the other phone numbers that the schools ask for year after year after year. It is my understanding, correct me if I am wrong, that Kyron's backpack etc was left in the classroom. Why didn't someone contact Kaine or Terri or Desiree about that? Again, wishing the school would utilize the tools that parents provide.

This is making Terri look even worse, IMO.

You are so right, I remember filling out so much paperwork for each daughter in the beginning of the school year, it would be a good thing for the school to utilize the tools that parents provide.

Funny how people see different things.  Personally I think this guy Eric needs his glasses checked.  Reminder - Eric is the guy who's girlfriend grew up in Roseburg with Terri and her family.  This is from the Terri Support fb wall:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/TerriSupportWall072110.jpg)

And this from Blink:


Blink has no agenda that I am aware of. 

We need a facepalm monkey!  Geez, what color is the sky in Eric's world? ::MonkeyEek::

Kurtis had been with the Horman's bowling a few days before too.  For Kurtis to assume Kyron was at the doctors or with Terri you would think Terri must have said something to Kurtis. 

So if true, Terri made sure nobody suspected he was missing until 3:30pm when he didn't arrive on the bus.

Kind of like Casey making sure no one suspected Caylee was missing for 31 days.

 ::rhino::

I would like to see a piece of paper from Terri. I would like to see anything in black and white on this case. The teacher was unsure before, now "sources " say. And no, I am  not chanelling Terri or sticking up for her, she is the most likely suspect, except for any other number of unknown persons who were in or around the school that day. And I do believe Tony Young and Desiree Young in what they have said. 

Has anyone heard who has been called in to talk to the grand jury? 

This is where I think Terri's volunteering at school and her chumminess with the staff came in handy. She didn't need to provide something in writing, so she could be vague and just say Friday appt. I wonder if the appt. on the 11 was made with just that purpose in mind. Since the school was expecting Kyron to be gone on the 4th, no red flags were raised early on.
I think she may have thought she had all bases covered, but I'm trusting in the fact that she's not as bright as she thought she was. I think LE is close on her heels with more questions she can't answer.

Sadly yes and if he is dead, stalling will only help her case as evidence is lost.  She knows that.

     (http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/Kyron/kaine.gif)

THIS looks like an irritated person?!

GMAB.

No

and btw, does anyone know where the grand jury meets?

Thanks I heard that many times but never knew exactly where the information came from.

I never heard that there was going to be a grand jury YET. They asked for funds to investigate into October. Long haul for the parents.
After that botched sting, Terri got a high powered attorney and she isn't going to be talking to anyone . IMO

I really believe that not one person has an agenda on here, I believe that everyone on hear wants one thing and that is for Kyron to be found, imo.  And DD I wasn't aware about any grand jury, so have no idea.

Correct me if I am stating wrong just going off of memory here, but I think the dates for doctor appt has always been stated by Kyron's teacher that Terri Horman had told them the 4th, it was Terri Horman saying that they were confused, cant' remember her reasoning but she had one.

I remember early in the case someone, maybe it was Blink talking about the grand jury.  I don't remember anything as far as location or how often it meets.  I seem to remember someone saying they use the grand jury system frequently.

I'll ask Blink when I see her and see if she knows.

I don't think kaine is irritated at that point in time.. I do think he is disgusted at "someone" but not when coming out of the sheriff's office; if anything, he could have learned of some new info found.  Or at least they think they might have found... at the very least they believe they now have access to something that might help...whether it will or not who knows.. Perhaps tomorrow they might get some into that will help them, one way or the other.  at least something new. 

it could be this is what kaine is hopeful about.  He was pretty much aggrivated before this, so I am thinking he might have learned something in that meeting that he did not know before... maybe we will find out what it is tomorrow... and if kaine finds out anything tomorrow, maybe we will find out some of it on FRIDAY when he gives his weekly report. At least we will get to maybe see him a few more times after tomorrow and see if his demeanor still seems to be happier.

That makes me think Kyron told his friend Kurtis he wouldn't be at school after the science fair because he had doctor's appt.

Thinking outside the box here:  But that would explain why Kyron was not expected to be in talent show, and Kaine didn't know about talent show?

Was tomorrows hearing canceled though since Terri agreed to move out of the house over the weekend?  Is that what you mean about tomorrow?

well, lets do a "what if" here for a minute.. "IF" there is a grand jury meeting on this case, then what would that tell us?  I am more familiar with "preliminary hearings before a judge"  but lets say they already have a grand jury convened on this case... what would that tell us? 

has anyone heard about any search warrants for other people? 

Well, I just want that kiddo found and whoever is responsible to pay. That school, well I know budgets have been cut, etc, but having some better policies is in order. If I ever had to go and pick one of the kids up, even tho I was a contact person and the teacher knew me, no paper signed by daughter, no kiddo. They would phone her.   

Yes and if you think of it this way it makes more sense.  I wonder if Kaine was told Kyron had a doctors appointment too?  Then when he (Kaine) got home she told him, oh no..not today, next Friday?

I am so GLAD you posted that, thought the very same thing, went and checked the video they supplied just to make sure I hadn't missed anything before I submitted my new article on my blog.
I really didn't want to bring it forward didn't want anyone thinking I was being catty after last night with my friends at the support page, stick with my impression last night of them having an agenda.  And I was on the fence at that time....

I was thinking the same thing Scatty. I live in Southern Oregon and when my kids are going to be absent from school, you call the office and everything is taken care of. If you haven't called by about 11:00 A.M then the school office will call you to find out why your child is absent. So yes I agree with what you say in your post...Terri just bypassed the office because she was a classroom volunteer.

no that is not what I meant..and I am not sure how to say what I am trying to say...imagine that "ME" lost for words ...uh.. hmmm...what I am trying to say is...

kaine usually gives the media some answers to questions each week and he was doing it on Fridays... so maybe on friday he might say what he might know tomorrow... because I believe he might know more tomorrow. and I believe he could have known more today at the sheriff's office meeting... and if we watch him closely over the next few days maybe his demeanor will give us clue what LE might have found out. hope that makes sense.

Hey,  you're right! Good deduction. TH had this planned.

Not disagreeing with you at all, I do however find it so sad that this is what the world  has come to, our children are not safe even in a small town school.  Very sad.......

oh I see now what you are asking, about terri's hearing before the judge to move out of the house... no, that is not what I am talking about.. I am talking about info kaine might have tomorrow, that we might get a clue to on friday when he gives his weekly answers to the media... nothing at all to do with terri's hearing or any court hearing. 

Ok DD, I think I see what you are saying.

I got the impression by the expression on Kaine's face walking out of LE today after his 3 hour meeting that Kaine is sure that either someone is going to be arrested soon or that they have a good clue to where Kyron is.  I think it's more likely that someone will be arrested.  Maybe an indictment coming down?

Hi Y'ALL, I think LE needs to take a different tack now.  A different type of pressure on Terri and anyone in which she has confided.

Either the MCSD,or their law firm, should say to the public that whoever has been deceptive with LE in the case should be told they will be held personally responsible for the cost of pursuing the investigation since the beginning, and now the continuing it.  If the guilty party/parties had been honest and forthright from the beginning Kyron would most likely already be found.

And also, that if it is determined that anyone else had info which would have led to Kyron's rescue or retrieval, and they did not consult with LE, they also will be included and held to pay their fair share of the investigation up till the day he is found.

To me it is a no-brainer, that if someone has committed a crime or assisted in covering up knowledge thereof, they are guilty of a conspiracy, and should bear the burden of the cost in total.

I have no idea how this could be put into action.  But I do believe if the MCSD did a presser and stated this to the public, heads would roll.  Someone knows something besides the one who abducted and most likely disposed of Kyron.  Esp if it was a woman who did it.  What woman could ever keep something so in tune with her existence that would quiet a threat to her happiness, to those she knows.  IMO she has told someone something.  I wouldn't want to be on the stick, knowing MCSD could hold me in contempt if it was discovered I had protected this woman. 

It will eventually all come out in the wash.  Ya Ya.  Everything will be able to have proof.  And I believe it would stick, even to suing the future estates of those guilty of conspiracy.  It might take a Shapiro to buck the abilities of Houze and be successful, letting Justice ring !!!  I say, let it rip.  Let's squeeze those who know what happened to Kyron and tell where he is tonight.

That is hit me like a ton of bricks this afternoon, after listening to the school, and Kyron's friends mother:   By the timeline TMH had little more than four hours to take care of Kyron, go home and post the picture, pretend to pick him up at the bus stop with husband and daughter in tow, OMG that is so cold and calculating and premeditated if true.  Yet having to let the facts speak: using truck instead of mustang stated by Kaine that was not a normal routine for the couple, the doctor’s appointment now confirmed by Skyline Elementary spokesperson stating the doctor appointment was told by Terri to Kyron’s teacher to be on the 4Th not the 11Th, and worst of all two teachers seeing Kyron with Terri that fateful morning was the last time Kyron was ever seen.
Where I am at now:http://www.truecrimeinthe21stcentury.com/2010/07/21/kyron-horman-5/ (http://www.truecrimeinthe21stcentury.com/2010/07/21/kyron-horman-5/)

OH and another thing stated on the support page I had to go check out but couldn't find anywhere in todays releases they didn't provide link either, Mary~ Wow the police are looking into other people besides Terri!? Well that is good to know, its good she's not the only target I think the whole family should be questioned....exactly what I told them last night starting rumors......

well, I guess you read me better than I thought ::MonkeyCool::

I don't know for sure if an indictment is soon, but I will say I am sure it is in the works... for who though?  well being LE is the one who would be using a GJ, and being they are set on Terri being the one, then I would think it MIGHT be they are going to indict Terri...at the very least, they are certainly trying... I just wondered if anyone had heard anything about a grand jury?  and I guess the answer to that is "no" from anyone here... so... I'll leave it at that and we will see what happens tomorrow and what we might hear from kaine on friday if anything... also... I wish I knew where the gj convened at, what location.. I guess someone could show up and go see if they are there and who else is there.   ::MonkeyCool::

hi scandi... I think they are in the process of doing "just that".   

one other thought really quick here.

search warrants... are ALL search warrants in this case going to be sealed?  and is the media staying on top of this?  I don't see in the news anything about search warrants served... come on media... where are you?

Thanks Klaas.

Janet
8:40 PM PT

Support Page ---well they updated the claim and at least said what they are talking about, want to make it clear I do not know nor made up my mind exactly who took Kyron, we have so little facts and the possibilties with what was released are staring right at me...and in no way want to make anyone think they can't have, think or state the way they feel, I remember very well how it feels to have a not popular stance.  With that said I don't like people who start rumors in a case so important as this, it just makes me see red......(I didn't use red, but wish I could..lol)

 Support Page Mary~We dont know if he was being questioned or not. He just said no comment. Im sure they were asking him questions what else you do for 3 hours in a police station?
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Hi Dear DD, I think you are way too kind in looking at Kaine.  I do believe his manner is controlling and have seen it in this case.  That would be good if he was pure in heart and history.  I rather doubt that.  Yes. he is an innocent victim here IMO, and not involved in Kyron's disappearance.  I do believe however that he must have seen something brewing between Kyron and
Terri. Also that he was also sexually promiscuous in his marriage and have heard the RUMORS that swinging was an activity he also indulged in along with her.

I guess I am saying he is not beyond the pale IMO.  Had he been more in tune with his son and what was happening under his roof he might have taken protective measures to distance Kyron from Terri, protecting him from her unstable personality . . . maybe sending him for a time to be with his Mom.

He would possibly still be here now, as we speak.

Excerpt:
"...Late Wednesday morning, Sheriff Daniel Staton released a statement to the media promising he was working to complete a thorough investigation, even if he could not elaborate on all the details.

“There are many decision points which are discussed and filtered among investigators, deputy district attorneys, command staff and other experts. Our detectives and searchers are continuing to follow up on many leads to include establishing and verifying information relating to Kyron's activities prior to his disappearance,” he said in the statement.

Staton told KGW he would accept written questions from reporters and then a written statement would be released no later than Friday in response to the questions submitted...."

http://www.kgw.com/news/Kyrons-dad-attends-3-hours-of-meetings-at-sheriffs-office-98945234.html

So it seems there'll be more information forthcoming from the Sheriff's office on Friday. Encouraging, but it would be more encouraging if Stanton were to hold an actual press conference instead.

Scandi - your post is full of unfounded rumors.  I just want it clear that there is no proof what so ever about any "swinging' lifestyle.  Actually no proof that Kaine was having an affair. 

Same here! 

Curious why the school seems to have needed so much time to release this info. Not like it's earth-shattering either way.  They did or they didn't know about the appt.  Seems like an easy yes or no.  So why did they sit on it? 

It could be that LE didn't want that information released until now?

Rumors are silly things, but they can be used for such nefarious purposes and can do so much damage. It's a very cowardly practice IMO. And anyway, what does anyone's sexual habits (besides sexting when your child is missing) have to do with this case? And why on earth would anyone be spreading rumors about Kaine that have no bearing on this case (besides being ridiculously puritanical imo)? The only person that could possibly benefit would be Terri, so I think it would be her or her cohorts starting these rumors and hoping bloggers will spread them.

hehe, I would not say I am exactly KIND in some of the things I think and say about kaine, he has aggrivated me totally at times...and I still have not decided who is involved in kyron's disappearance.  I have ruled out no one at this point... but I do know where LE seems to be going with this at the moment.. sometimes I don't know what they are doing and a few times I do know what they are doing.  I know kaine was very aggrivated at someone recently in the last few days... and I know he acted pretty much what I thought to be an A$$ about it, but in the situation of your child being missing, I would act more than just like an A$$, I would be sitting in jail by now if I thought some of the things he must be thinking.. I would say screw LE, where's my "friends" and I would be in trouble.. ugh... so I can't blame him for acting like what I think is an A$$ at times... so it is not that I am Kind, it is I am "understanding"... i do believe kaine likes to control some things, but I am a controller also, so I can't judge him for that either.  Lord knows I have no room for judging anyone really, I live in a glass house myself.. so no rock throwing for me, unless I get mad, then I am an idiot. 


anyway....yes, I have heard about some of the things that supposedly have gone on in their relationship... but that is their personal biz so I don't get into that as having anything to do with anything, other than someone in that situation along with them could be involved, who knows.  I am sure they don't want that part of their life all over the net... and until I have the names of who the other people are and see that they might make me go hmmmm about kyron missing, then I'll leave that alone too.  I don't think affairs = killing a child.  I don't think having other partners or threesomes or whatever = killing a child... I don't think doing drugs or being a criminal = killing a child... not that they do ALL of these things, just an example... but I do think lying is deservent(is that a word?) of people questioning you in order to get to the bottom of why you lie... I do think LE is "stuck" on terri.  and I think they are going to indict her and maybe soon... it could be very soon... just depends on what someone else decides to tell them.. or how long to get forensics back on computers and cell phones. 
I am wondering if some new info was found yesterday, and kaine heard about it in those meetings and tomorrow possibly they might know enough to indict her.. probably not indict her yet, because it takes time to go through this process, but I do know they are well on their way trying to do just that.

I have thought from day one she planned this all out.  Why in the world would a teacher lie when a child's life is on the line.  I'm not buying the theory the school was CYA.  I'm naive like that, though.

TANNER PUMALA

Horman's desk mate says substitute noticed Horman missing
Last Update: 6/11 9:19 am

Eight-year-old Tanner Pumala says the first person to notice Kyron Horman missing was a substitute teacher who was taking a head count as the second and third grade class was re-assembling after visiting other classrooms for a science fair at Skyline School last Friday.

"And she was like 'oh no where's Kyron there's only five' and Mrs. Porter was like it's okay calm down, calm down he's probably in the bathroom or getting a drink of water and she said alright I'm going to leave and she left, " says Tanner Pumala.

But, Portland Public School spokesman Matt Shelby said the account can't be true: "There were no substitutes at the school that day (the day Kyron disappeared)," he said.

Shelby thinks Pumala may be confused because all week after the disappearance a subsitute teacher has been at the school to help with the stress of the Horman case.

Tanner is Kyron's deskmate in their combined second-third grade classroom.  Tanner says Kyron was in school for at least an hour Friday morning and that he saw Kyron's step-mother leave the school without Kyron.

F-B-I agents interviewed Pumala, and Multnomah County Sheriff Dan Staton visited with Pumala Wednesday afternoon according to Pumala's grandmother Wendy Fuhrur.

Upon hearing the substitute teacher noticing that Kyron was not present in the classroom, Pumala says the regular teacher said Kyron had probably gone to get a drink of water or to use the bathroom.  It wasn't until the bus ride home from school, says Pumala that he noticed Kyron was not on the bus.  Kyron's step-mother notified school authorities of her son's not being on the bus at around 3:45pm Friday afternoon. 

Pumala's grandmother says F-B-I agents and Multnomah County investigators have asked Pumala and his grandmother not to speak with the media, for reasons they did not divulge. Fuhrur says she decided to allow her grandson talk, in part to keep the missing boy in the public eye.

http://www.koinlocal6.com/content/news/topstories/story/Hormans-desk-mate-says-substitute-noticed-Horman/TVY3YTREG0SyCP3tb3MkZg.cspx


Interview with Tanner Pumala friend of Kyron Horman
Klaasend

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6tAZ1FmHtcI


Classmate: 'I Hope My Best Friend Comes Back'
Kyron Horman Last Seen Friday Morning
POSTED: 7:06 am PDT June 9, 2010
UPDATED: 8:24 am PDT June 9, 2010

PORTLAND, Ore. -- A statement from the parents of a missing 7-year-old boy is expected to come sometime Wednesday as investigators wrap up the final interviews of parents, students and staff at Skyline School.

Second-grader Kyron Horman disappeared from his rural northwest Portland school Friday.

Multnomah County Sheriff's Capt. Jason Gates said Kyron's stepmother brought him to school for a school science fair and last saw Kyron near his classroom at about 8:45 a.m.

Tanner Pumala, Kyron's classmate, said he last saw his friend at about the same time when Kyron told him he was headed to look at another student's science project.

"He walked by the hallway and I'm like, 'Hi, Kyron,' and he's like, 'Hi. I'm going to go see this cool one. It's electric.'

I'm like, 'Alright, bye.' And that's the last time I saw him," Tanner said. "He never did make it back to class."

As the search for Kyron enters its sixth day, Tanner said his friend's disappearance is all he can think about.

"I'm feeling really sad. For the last five days, I haven't gotten much sleep," he said. "I'm hoping that my best friend will come back."

Classes at Skyline School continued as scheduled Tuesday. Tanner said he and fellow students have spent time in class writing letters to Kyron and piling them on his desk.

"If we ever do find him, it's going to be hard for him to go on the bus with all of his stuff," Tanner said. "He has a pile of stuff with a great, big teddy bear."

http://www.kptv.com/news/23842774/detail.html

I do believe the "Support Terri Horman" Facebook page is doing just that.

And why would they be?  It's already well known by now how lax their procedures are.  I do think Terri (being a school  volunteer) knew this and used it to her advantage.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Well, I see your point Scatty.  It could be RUMOR or real.  Whatever, the fact it is out there doesn't speak well for raising children in such a home.  The affair on the part of Kaine was stated in some legal document I believe.  It is true the swinging aspect mighf be be a nefarius ploy on someone's part.  Again, whatever.   Don't children deserve more than being exposed to something of this nature?  His affair alone leaves me doubtful as to his integrity as a married man no matter what his wife was into.  IMO

I am in agreement with you.

Only my opinion, but I wouldn't be surprised if there really was no electronic display.

The only legal document that I am aware of deals with infidelity on the part of Terri.  The rumor about Kaine having an affair was started by some psychic that is supposedly friends with Terri's mom.  Consider the source!

Unfortunately they seem to be succeeding, because I've never been to that Facebook site, yet I just heard the rumor here at Scared Monkeys.

Yeah, I'm not buying the CYA thing either.  Have there been any Skyline parents complaining since Kyron's disappearance? (I am asking a question since I am unaware of any complaints.)

If it was thought that Kyron went for water or to the bathroom...why did someone not question why he never returned to the classroom? ::MonkeyMad::

Kyron Horman Update: Terri Moulton Horman to Appear in Court Next Week
Tuesday, July 13th, 2010
Stephen Houze, attorney for the stepmom of missing 7-year-old Kyron Horman, told reporters this afternoon outside a Multnomah County courtroom his client will soon make her first public appearance in weeks.

Terri Moulton Horman is scheduled to appear in front of Judge Keith Meisenheimer next Thursday, July 22, for a preliminary hearing in the combined divorce and restraining-order case brought by her husband, Kaine Horman.

Houze also said a hearing is set for Sept. 21 on Kaine Horman’s request that Terri Horman be held in contempt of court for allegedly allowing her lover to see his sealed petition for a restraining order against her.

Bombarded with reporters’ questions about those cases and Terri Horman’s possible role in Kyron’s disappearance June 4, Houze repeatedly declined to comment. Houze did say he will represent Terri Horman in family court as well as in the investigation into what happened to Kyron.

Minutes later outside the courthouse, Kaine Horman’s divorce attorney, Laura Rackner, also declined to comment on most questions from reporters about the case. She did acknowledge that investigators had provided useful ammo in building her client’s case for the restraining order and Kaine Horman’s other request that Terri Horman be held in contempt.

“Law enforcement has provided a lot of information,” Rackner said.

http://blogs.wweek.com/news/2010/07/13/kyron-horman-update-terri-moulton-horman-to-appear-in-court-next-tuesday/

Hi again DD, Of course I do agree with what you say.  None of those activities spell murder on Skyline Hill.

What the lives of the parents do control though is the 'health' of the family they influence by their activities.  IMO   The children might not be atune to what is really going on.  But they can't help be influenced by things they hear and see.  These imperfections will carry through throughout the children's lives IMO.

Say this, knowing these parents now as we do, would we place children in their home as adoptive parents?  That is looking at both parents.  xox

I just got caught up with reading all the articles, quotes, updates and insights post today in regards to the Kyron Horman case.  It was very much appreciated.

Good Night All.

Janet
9:25 PM PT

IMO even if they had total proof that Terri did something to Kyron, the school is still partially liable because they are the reason that the search did not begin until roughly seven hours after he went missing.  LE always says how the first few hours are crucial in a missing child case.  I don't care if the school did not have an automated dialer for absentee kids, I think they should have a responsibility to make a phone call.

It's ridiculous.  I think I read somewhere that the whole school only consisted of what, 300 kids?  It's not like we're dealing with a teenager who might be skipping, this is a 7 year old!  Unless the office got a call saying he would be absent, they should have called home.  No matter who took him, or what happened to him, LE would have stood a much better chance of finding the truth if they had been able to start searching within the first hour.

One thing this has taught me, when school starts up again in the fall and one of my boys is sick, I'm not going to call their school.  I'm going to wait to see how long it takes them to call me.   ::MonkeyMad::

OMGosh.  Kaine spents 3 hrs with investigators and TH supporters are making something of it.  The man's child is missing.  LE informs him of a hit on his life.  LE tells him his wife didn't pass her polys.  LE tells him of an affair she had after Kyron went missing.  Gee, wonder what they could've spent 3 whole hours talking about????  I'd bet that Kaine wants to be as involved in the search for Kyron as possible and I'd also bet that LE are trying to include him as much as possible to help keep him focused.  IIRC, they have gotten 3000 tips and are asking for more funds to continue the search.  Maybe Kaine is answering questions about the tips, getting ideas on how to raise money for LE or even telling LE what he's found in the home since he returned.

I've known families of missing persons.  3 hr meetings with investigators are no surprise. 

Oops, I might have to go to work now.   ::rhino::  Ya Ya     I do remember tho that it was written in a link {a document to my memory} that it was about 6 mos before Kyron went missing that Terri approached a LS to hire him to kill her husband when she became so 'hurt', learning that Kaine was having an affair with another lady.

Was Kyron on any meds ?
Are the meds gone too ? If answer to Q1 is yes ?

They are a disgusting group.  Someone needs to to ask them JUST WHO IS IT THAT IS COOPERATING WITH LE?  Kaine is, of course.  So the "Terri Horman Support" group can their rumors and conspiracy theories and.....well you know the rest.

The Doctor's Appointment

Friend: Terri Moulton Horman to take another polygraph in Kyron Horman's disappearance
Published: Friday, June 18, 2010, 10:55 PM     Updated: Saturday, June 19, 2010, 9:16 AM

Jaymie Finster, a longtime friend, said Horman is "tired and frustrated with the intensity of the questioning she's been getting." …..

Finster said Horman had told Kyron's teacher the day before that she was taking the boy to the doctor on Friday, June 11, and gave the teacher paperwork to fill out related to the appointment.

Finster said that when Kyron didn't show up at the bus the afternoon of June 4, Horman talked to the teacher who said she thought that Horman had taken Kyron to the doctor that day. Horman told Finster that the child's teacher was new, in her first year of teaching, and was hard of hearing in one ear. "She doesn't know if she understood her," Finster said.

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/friend_says_terry_moulton_horm.html

I agree Scandi.  Am thinking that this is exactly what LE may have in mind.  Remember some time ago when they released to the public the amount that this case has already cost, in money/time?  Seemed then that it could have been a message, either to Terri and/or anyone helping her, to 'come clean and put a stop to this now, or else it's gonna cost you big time, and here's just the amount in dollars so far'.  And now... with the additional resources they've requested, with stating that amount in public as well, seems another message could be, 'while we have to keep searching and waiting for the truth, it's costing an additional amount, add this on to the last amount'.   

IMO.     

Okay, that was what the landscaper was told by Terri.  Of course that was never substantiated.

Also, Blink's sources are pretty certain that Terri had an intimate relationship with the landscaper.

I

I really don't know if what TERRI told the LS/Hitman was true or not but I'm certainly not going to believe the word of someone who would hire a hitman.  For all we know it could have been a figment of Terri's imagination.

Did the doctor's office confirm that Kyron had an appointment on June 11, 2010 as Terri claims.

Thanks

Janet

well I think there are more homes where children should not be than homes they should be... and I think there are not very many perfect homes... I don't think anyone knew anything was going on in this family that might end up in this situation... a school teacher, an intel employee... what was there to see as a sign that something was going wrong... obviously whatever they were doing neither of them thought much about it, and i doubt anyone else knew much about anything either.  and maybe whatever might have went on had nothing at all to do with kyron missing. 

"if" terri is responsible, which I don't know or not... then how would kaine know she would do something like this... and if Kaine is responisible in some way, how would anyone else know this would happen... I don't know who a person could blame for not seeing this coming... who would ever suspect it... and no matter what their lifestyle, there is really nothing there that blantantly stands out that says oh my god one of these people is going to do something to their child.  there was nothing on the facebook that would indicate there was anything going to end up like this... it appeared everything was normal.  or at least as normal as most people's family. 

I'm still not convinced either of them are involved... Le is surely making terri look guilty.. but if they were to do the same thing to anyone else and dig up all their garbage, I think the public could be led to believe it was whoever LE chose to blame.  they have a way of making people look guilty if they want to... granted there is a lot out there that makes terri look really bad... but for some reason there is not enought to arrest her... so without her arrest, I have to wonder what they really DON"T have.

hmm, wonder if the paperwork is with the school?  that would sure clear a few things up wouldn't it....

Hi KittyMom,  A well taken look at Kaine.  I do believe he was not involved in the actual disappearance of his son.

That leaves what I haven't said, that there must have been signs of disquiet in the home, things he noticed {as he said he noticed at how she changed after the birth of the baby girl 18 mos ago}.  How did he address this?   Did he notice Kyron was unhappy around her?  The devotion Kaine showed to Kyron, was it obvious if we could go back and see the family dynamics?  What about her concentration on the baby with the camera always on the shot of her?

We can't say in retrospect.  But I have lived enough to know that feelings are real, and children are the best receptors.  If each parent was doting too much on their 'natural' child, not looking at the reality of how it affected the family dynamics, maybe he did not see the hatred she must have had for him and how she would be capable or using another person he truly loved to bring him to his knees.

Just a thought.  And so he chose to take another lover.  It just doesn't add up to all that he should have been for Kyron IMO.

Hi Monkeys!

Thanks for all the articles, links and insights. It's JMO, but I wish somebody would just string Terri up by her thumbs until she told what she knows about Kyron's disappearance.
I just can't extend myself to afford her compassion or understanding until Kyron is found, and I'm convinced she has, AT LEAST, information that can help locate him.

Again.................. JMO.

We'd all probably look like he!! if they dug up all our past history here on earth. LOL   For me I did beat 2 addictions, to coke and then gambling.  Thank God, and each was suddenly over because of the approach I used in dealing with them.  No one is perfect and we are all influenced by our surroundings.

I think it is more likely it is not the right time to arrest her.  There is something else to be considered that is equally as important to the case, possibly as in an accomplice.  That might be the stumbling block, I don't know.  I guess that is what I think is holding up an arrest in the case.  It all has to be right and prosecutable {court worthy}  IMO.

I think they might be stringing up others by the thumbs at this point in time, hoping they might know something and tell them what it is... I think at this point LE probably thinks friends of terri's know something, have been told something etc... and so now they are going after the friends. 

:smt045   :smt045

Yup.  Has anyone else besides me wondered if Terri's, "hitting the gym" was code for something?

oh yes, I thought that as soon as I read it... but I always look for things like that. 
it is very possible she was in contact with someone and trying to leave them messages. 
I believe LE thinks she probably told someone something.  or at least what she talked to them about contradicted what she told LE... they are looking for whatever terri has said to anyone, is what I think... and hopefully that info will come out... I want to know what she said to others...that will help me decide more things.. of course I am a nobody and I don't deserve to know anything, but does not stop me from wanting to know so I can make up my mind.  I like to be informed LOL... Especially, when I know a little bit and it would be better to know a lot. 

He's appears in photos to be a devoted dad.

From Kiara's first birthday:

(http://hphotos-snc3.fbcdn.net/hs120.snc3/16763_1286456082544_1264414625_866744_7263880_n.jpg)

(http://hphotos-snc3.fbcdn.net/hs100.snc3/16763_1286808131345_1264414625_868113_1236095_n.jpg)

May 2010

(http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/hs318.snc3/28560_1451097918487_1264414625_1277040_6217724_n.jpg)

Mothers Day 2010

(http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash1/hs521.ash1/30642_1463602071083_1264414625_1302424_2856441_n.jpg)

June 2010

(http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/hs586.snc3/30912_1485807386202_1264414625_1356437_1449361_n.jpg)

hmmm....hitting the gym = hitting the Jim?

j/k...I have no idea.  I can't understand how a brain like that works.  I've had times I've wanted to pinch my husband but I've never tried hiring a gardener to do it for me.  I just don't get that kind of thinking.

Yea,  I guess that is true.  Like Klaas said, it is hard to believe anyone who would approach someone with a MFH deal as being truthfull, eh? 

The only over riding feeling I have about that is LE seems to accept what the LS said.  I didn't hear them discount it. 


Personally I think both of them were more concerned with themselves than the children or they would not have been living the lives they possibly were.  If they really were, that is.  Something was rotten in the State of Skyline that day or Kyron would never have disappeared IMO.

Whose advantage was it to have him out of the picture?  Who was threatened in some way that his being gone forever would solve their own problem of future happiness, living life as that person envisioned it forever.  He must have been an obstacle to that person's future lifestyle IMO.

My guess is the DR appt. was part of the plan to trip up the school.  T had to know what would happen in Kyron's classroom if the teacher thought he had a DR appt.  Remember the statement by T's friend or mother where she said, "I think Kyron's teacher is hard of hearing."  This was all planned out by someone that knew a lot of details about the teacher, the school, and the routines of everyone in Kyron's life.

If the teacher supposedly knew ahead of time that Kyron had an appt and would not be in classroom (as the super of school has just announced)....  then why did the teacher supposedly say that Kyron might be getting a drink of water or in the bathroom?  Wouldn't it have been easier to have just said, 'he has an appt today'. 

IMO.

I do agree with that Klass, he appears to have been a devoted Dad.  God Bless him for that. 

At her first Bday he already had noticed a change in Terri's well-being from what we have read.  After her birth is when he noticed a change in Terri. 

It is so easy to sit here and say he should have realized this or done this to protect his children.  He was in love with his wife, and as I read what I have in the case, as she changed he might have tried to save the relationship by trying other ways to save or strangthen it.

Lordie,  I don't know.  Nothing is ever totally altruistic IMO.  I hope everything will work out for Kaine in the end because we all make mistakees and sometimes fail to see what is happening around us.  I just want so bad for Kyron to come back home that I close my eyes and hope this is the day it comes to pass.  xox



It is invigorating to see you posting on a case like you are here Klaas.   xox     ::MonkeyGavel::

Do we remember who said the teacher said that?  I am going looking but it seems to me the mother of Tanner said her son had said that.....

falling asleep, hopefully, tomorrow some news.. will let you know if I hear anything.

d in texas ~ 

here's that article

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Horman's desk mate says substitute noticed Horman missing
Last Update: 6/11 9:19 am

Eight-year-old Tanner Pumala says the first person to notice Kyron Horman missing was a substitute teacher who was taking a head count as the second and third grade class was re-assembling after visiting other classrooms for a science fair at Skyline School last Friday.

"And she was like 'oh no where's Kyron there's only five' and Mrs. Porter was like it's okay calm down, calm down he's probably in the bathroom or getting a drink of water and she said alright I'm going to leave and she left, " says Tanner Pumala.

But, Portland Public School spokesman Matt Shelby said the account can't be true: "There were no substitutes at the school that day (the day Kyron disappeared)," he said.

Shelby thinks Pumala may be confused because all week after the disappearance a subsitute teacher has been at the school to help with the stress of the Horman case.

Tanner is Kyron's deskmate in their combined second-third grade classroom. Tanner says Kyron was in school for at least an hour Friday morning and that he saw Kyron's step-mother leave the school without Kyron.

F-B-I agents interviewed Pumala, and Multnomah County Sheriff Dan Staton visited with Pumala Wednesday afternoon according to Pumala's grandmother Wendy Fuhrur.

Upon hearing the substitute teacher noticing that Kyron was not present in the classroom, Pumala says the regular teacher said Kyron had probably gone to get a drink of water or to use the bathroom. It wasn't until the bus ride home from school, says Pumala that he noticed Kyron was not on the bus. Kyron's step-mother notified school authorities of her son's not being on the bus at around 3:45pm Friday afternoon.

Pumala's grandmother says F-B-I agents and Multnomah County investigators have asked Pumala and his grandmother not to speak with the media, for reasons they did not divulge. Fuhrur says she decided to allow her grandson talk, in part to keep the missing boy in the public eye.

Separately several dozen more ground searchers arrived in Portland Wednesday night to intensify their ground search Thursday.

http://www.koinlocal6.com/content/news/topstories/story/Hormans-desk-mate-says-substitute-noticed-Horman/TVY3YTREG0SyCP3tb3MkZg.cspx

Wow this is the best post I have read in a long time in relation to Kyron and really hit home:

http://www.katu.com/news/local/98981009.html (http://www.katu.com/news/local/98981009.html)

I find myself hunting down news stories, with any scrap of Kyron-related information, which is so unusual for me. Then I realized why; I don't feel the personal need to read Terri Horman's facebook page, to debate Kaine/Desiree's life choices, or to dissect every tiny part of their personal lives. I WANT ANSWERS. I want to know where he is, and why he was put there! I am a parent too, and even pondering the idea of one of my kids being taken from me is so horrifying, so gut-wrenching, that I keep hoping it comes to an end soon. I want this dear little boy found, so very badly. And I think (even though it's not likely), I want to make some sense of it all somehow- to at least know why he's gone, because it's harder to go about my "normal" life when something so twisted is ongoing. Prayers for Kyron, and for Kaine and Desiree too!!

I know what I'd like to do.  Sit down with a few newscasters like Kohr Harlan, Mike Donahue and Alisa Kenyea {sp}.  They have been out there wherever the news crew have camped out.  Listening, hearing what is going on, watching and getting a sense of what the story is.

An inside view.  That is what I would love to hear right about now !!!

Night peeps, see you in the morning  ;}

I hope so too DD.  Good news, eh?  ;}

I want to post a link but really think I should send it for approval first.  Anyone?

Did the recent interview with Kaine at the Wall of Hope happen before or after that pic of him leaving the 3 hour meeting with LE?

after....

Scandi said:

Yea,  I guess that is true.  Like Klaas said, it is hard to believe anyone who would approach someone with a MFH deal as being truthfull, eh?

The only over riding feeling I have about that is LE seems to accept what the LS said.  I didn't hear them discount it.


I don't think it means that LE is accepting that Kaine had an affair. What they are accepting is that Terri said he had an affair. That was her reason for wanting to have her husband killed. She was manipulating the LS into feeling bad for her so he'd do what she wanted. LE is accepting what happened between Terri and the LS as a plausible event because they apparently have the cell phone records.

And for the record, Kaine has denied having an affair. I'm sure LE has checked that out also, so they know who's been truthful and who hasn't.
One of Terri's former husbands said that she cheated on him during that marriage, so apparently she's never been trustworthy in any relationship, and she's used to manipulating people. I think she borrowed from her own actions, and turned them around on Kaine because she thought it would be effective.

Hey Scandi - are these local reporters?  Do you feel they are holding back on things for some reason? That would be a fascinating conversation.....

That's a good question, Wyks. Was it the teacher or the adult volunteer that mentioned the bathroom?

I am surprised to see you used the animated .gif I made on your site. I'm glad you didn't hotlink it. (I looked for contact information on your site but could not find any.)

The 3-hour meeting was on Tuesday, the interview with Kaine at the Wall of Hope was on Wednesday.

Kaine has denied having an affair, and said he was unaware of Terri's dalliance with anyone else. He was asked that question point blank. The whole swinging thing was just a bunch of posters spreading rumors. Someone used the word "lifestyle" when discussing Terri, and it became completely blown up  by some posters who miscomprehended what was being said. Somehow it became that Kaine and Terri had a swinging lifestyle. No one knows that as a fact, but it keeps going around as a fact anyway. Kaine has answered it, so I will go with that until there is proof to the contrary. LE would know about it by now, so why would Kaine lie? I don't think he would.
The way rumors have been taken as fact in this case is very disturbing.

Kyron’s father touched by outpouring of support
By Anita Kissée KATU News and KATU.com Staff

PORTLAND, Ore. - Kaine Horman came to the chain-link fence on Wednesday that’s come to embody the hope that his missing son, Kyron, will soon be found safe, paused to read dozens of messages to him and his family and said he was deeply touched by the community’s support.

“It’s overwhelming. It really is overwhelming and (it) continues to make me miss him even more, if that’s possible,” he said of the messages that have come from all over the country.

A few times a week he stops by Kyron’s wall of hope outside the elementary school his son was last seen at to read those messages and gather toys and trinkets for his room. He says he is building shelves around Kyron’s room for those things as well as a collage of items on one of his walls.

He says in the seven weeks since Kyron disappeared he’s lucky if he can get in an hour or two of work a day. That goes for sleep too, and when he does sleep, he dreams of Kyron.
“I just see his face and see him in that frame before he left.”

He says he’s not worried about the search for Kyron stalling.

“I think there have been some distractions along the way,” he said. “We’re trying to limit those distractions the best we can and try to stay focused on him and bringing him home.”

That has been his focus since the day his son disappeared and said he waits for that moment that Kyron is back in his arms.

“I envision it every minute of every day and we’re just waiting. He’s still out there, we just need to find him and just the love we have for him and how much we miss him and how much we’re trying to do everything we can to find him. He’s waiting to be found.”

He said he did not want to talk about Kyron’s stepmother, Terri Horman, who has now moved to Roseburg to stay with her parents.

Sources said Wednesday that Terri Horman told Kyron’s teacher prior to his June 4 disappearance that he had a doctor’s appointment on Friday. It was why Kyron’s teacher didn’t expect him in class after the science fair that day. At 10 a.m. his teacher marked him absent.

According to the sources, investigators believe Terri Horman was vague about which Friday she was referring to when she gave notice to the school that Kyron would be gone and only after he was missing did she clarify that the doctor’s appointment was on June 11, the Friday after the science fair.

Terri Horman has not been named a suspect or person of interest in the case and no arrests have been made.

On Wednesday Kaine Horman said he was not “going to worry about Terri.” Instead, he urged people to keep looking for his son.

“When I go places, I see his face on some of the businesses, but I don’t see it up maybe as much as it could be, so I think even in the state and the area there are lots more opportunities to continue to get his face out and recognized by people,” he said.

KATU News reporter Anna Song contributed to this report.

http://www.katu.com/news/local/98993464.html

Good detective work Brandi!!.  I have personally never heard of this man before.  I was getting excited thinking this may shed some light.  If I were the LE, I would not have exposed him so soon.  I would have let the perpetrators squirm a little bit.  I absolutely hate phonies that exploit people in their time of grief.  But, if it were my child, I would be grabbing onto every tidbit and then I would choke him if I found out he was using me or the situation for gain of fame.

It looks like he is saying something to someone his lips are moving.
Also with out media coverage this will be forgotten by a lot of people.. ::MonkeyNoNo::

Hi Monkey's,

Was "Hitting the Gym" was a message to her accomplice?  ::MonkeyCool::

Kyron Horman: Timeline of events
Friday, June 4

8 a.m. Skyline Elementary, 11536 N.W. Skyline Blvd., opens early so students and parents can tour the science fair. A billboard outside reads: "June 4, I.B. Inquiry Expo, 8-10, Talent show, 1-2:45." Kyron was to take part in both the expo/science fair and the talent show.

Terri Moulton Horman arrives shortly afterward with her stepson, Kyron.

8:15 a.m. Gina Zimmerman, president of the school PTA, arrives and sees Kyron with his stepmother in front of his exhibit.

8:45 a.m. Terri Horman leaves after watching Kyron walk toward his classroom after touring the science fair.

9 a.m. Kyron is seen by a student near the south entrance of the school, according to Sheriff Dan Staton, who says that was the last time the boy was seen. Multnomah County authorities later backtrack on that statement.

10 a.m. Classes begin.

At some point, Kyron's homeroom teacher, Kristina Porter, reports him absent.

1:21 p.m. Terri Horman posts photos of Kyron at the science fair on her Facebook page.

3:30 p.m. Terri Horman goes to meet the school bus and discovers that Kyron has been absent all day. (Kaine Horman went with her to meet the bus, a fact that emerges during a television interview on June 25.)


http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/i...gy_of_eve.html

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/i...ml#modg_smoref

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Prior to his June 4 disappearance, Kyron Horman’s stepmother, Terri Horman, informed his teacher he had a doctor’s appointment on Friday, the sources said, and it was why there was no expectation Kyron would be in class after the science fair. Once class began at 10 a.m., his teacher marked him absent.

According to sources, investigators believe Terri Horman was vague about which Friday she was referring to when she gave notice to the school Kyron would be gone and only after he was missing did she clarify that the doctor’s appointment was on June 11, the Friday after the science fair.

Portland Public Schools spokesperson Matt Shelby told KATU News, "Two teachers were the last school staff to see Kyron at Skyline. His own teacher and another teacher saw him inside the school with his stepmother, and there didn't appear to be anything out of the ordinary.”

Kim Holm’s son, Kurtis, who Terri Horman photographed with his science project around the time she took a picture of Kyron that morning, said her son knew about the appointment too.

“And the teacher said, ‘I thought he left with his mom,’ because they thought they had a doctor appointment,” Holm said. “And then at lunchtime, Kurtis ate lunch with him every day, he wasn’t there at lunchtime. And then I got a call at 4:30ish, saying he didn’t get off the bus, I guess. And Kurtis said, ‘Oh yeah, I knew he was already gone all day Mom.’”

At 1:21 that afternoon Terri Horman posted the science fair photos on her Facebook page. At 3:30 she went to meet Kyron’s school bus, which he never boarded. Then came her 9-1-1 call, and the search for Kyron began.

http://www.katu.com/news/local/98981009.html

Kyron is allergic to bees and has a red birthmark on his forehead.

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:Lk-aXU4wbt4J:www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/07/02/earlyshow/main6640408.shtml+was+Kyron+allergic+to+bees.&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=opera

Not that it necessarily means anything (especially with how much SM has been going down over the last few months) but the MCSO site is down for me this morning:

http://www.mcso.us/PAID/Default.aspx

It's working now  ::MonkeyCool::

I don't believe it was thought Kyron went to the bathroom. I think TH told the teacher Kyron had a doc appointment.  That's just my opinion, though.

That video of Kaine at the Wall of Hope is so sad.  :*(  He looks like a man who is trying so hard to convince himself something is true, but knows deep down, it is not.  JMO.

O/T but in the Roseburg area.  Just wanted to show again how many monsters there are out there where you would not expect it.  This guy was just arrested on child porn charges.  There was also a teacher in Roseburg recently arrested on the same charged:

http://www.kpic.com/news/local/99013234.html

According to the Myspace of Ronald Todd his occupation is MINISTER/CAREGIVER

http://www.myspace.com/brotherron1967

You basically can't trust anyone  ::MonkeyNoNo::

It used to be these people were few and far between and now, they are on every corner.  Sick b@stard!!!!!!

Brandi I credited it to you, let me go look, one thing I make sure is to credit whomever, I apoligize I shoud of asked permission, if you would like I will remove it?  I am sorry but I credited it while i was writing it.

Bottom Line

July 21, 210

Terri Horman has not been named a suspect or person of interest in the case and no arrests have been made.

http://www.katu.com/news/local/98993464.html

+++++++++

Considering Terri has not been arrested regarding the MFH plot again Kaine  and ... considering the failed sting attempt ... it would appear that LE does not have a solid foundation of evidence that the landscaper's words reflect the truth ... just heresay.

Considering Terri has not been arrested in regards to the disappearance of Kyron ... it would appear that there is no concrete witness account that Terri and Kyron left the school together ... no solid evidence of implication..

Unless Terri develops an conscience ... challenging Kaine allegations which were revealed in the restraining order as well as challenging the removal from her home ... will be of of no benefit Terri if she is required to defend herself by answering the hard questions.

As always ... in my opinion.

Janet
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Dad Believes Stepmom Involved In Disappearance
Restraining Order Against Terri Horman Filed June 28
POSTED: 12:31 pm PDT July 8, 2010
UPDATED: 4:46 pm PDT July 8, 2010

"I believe respondent (Terri Horman) is involved in the disappearance of my son Kyron who has been missing since June 4, 2010. I also recently learned that the respondent attempted to hire someone to murder me.  The police have provided me with probable cause to believe the above two statements to be true," according to the court documents.

http://www.kptv.com/news/24186798/detail.html

I live in a VERY small town that is actually like maybe 3,000 and you would not believe the number of registered offenders, it is very scary.  I didn't realize the world had so  many sick people.  Sometimes I wonder what makes today so different as when we were growing up? I am in my mid 40's

Just a guess, internet access and the availability of a bunch of very sick porn, may be part of it.

Brandi----------  I am so very sorry that the credit got lost during my upload and I failed to check my edit online, I usually upload to edit inside wordpess was tired and just directly posted.  I apoligize for not asking permission as well, it was late and the thoughts were flowing, no excuse just being honest.

Even though after the fact do you mind my using your gif on my site, it is properly credited.  I feel so bad, I have had videos I made stolen and used as someone else's so I do know how you feel, and feel about this big right now, well you can't see but it is really small.   ::MonkeyNoNo::

I remember when my kids were in high school, the internet was just starting to hit craze level, we had a computer at home (one) in the den, well let me just say it got to where when I went to work I took the keyboard with me as I was unable to keep my teenage boys from going to some really disgusting sites.  Back then once you clicked on one of these sites they would spam you and pop up on your screen at random.  I also would take the headset to the phone as well if they were grounded, cell phones were just hitting the craze level, and every kid didn't have one yet it was unheard of.  My how times have changed....

Klass I have a link I can't decide if it is funny or overboard, I am torn and would like to send it your way and you can be the judge.  I have to go to a meeting in a minute and will send it to you when I get back if you will send me your email.

Does anyone know what time the court hearing is today?

What is the court hearing today for..I thought since she didn't contest anything the next hearing was in September?  I am lost..help please.

I am completely shocked at how times have changed. My two kids are in their middle twenties, I swear that I don't think that I could deal with all this if they were little again  ::MonkeyNoNo:: It just shocks me and never gave it a thought once, that when they were in grade school for the day, that they could just disappear. Besides the fact that a cute little boy disappeared, I think that most people now with young kids are reevaluating the schools their kids go to.

Usually if you can't decide then the answer would be it's not appropriate.  Go ahead and email to me and I'll take a look.

smklaas@hotmail.com

That's what I thought too be sounds like there may be something afterall.  I have no idea what time.

TY Klaas

I kind of thought that too. That it had been canceled, since she was not fighting the RO.

Guess we'll see today. You'd think, though, that the press would have mentioned court today, if it were still scheduled.

Kyron's father wants step-mom Terri to leave home sooner
updated 7/15/2010 9:46:16 PM ET

On Tuesday, a judge set a hearing for July 22 over the restraining order. Attorney Stephen Houze said Terri agreed to move out, give up rights to custody, but the hearing will address financial and other issues. A date of September 21 was set aside for the contempt of court hearing.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/38212620/ns/local_news-portland_or/

I just reported him. If it's not deleted in 2 days, I'll send another request. If it's not deleted after that, I'll send the request to the proper authorities in Oregon! Here's a copy of the request I sent to MySpace:

Please urgently delete this pedophile from MySpace! Ronald Ray Todd was just arrested on child porn charges, was under investigation since last December, he was charged with 10 counts of 1st degree enc child sex abuse & 10 more counts in 2nd degree! Please refer to the following link & urgently delete this moron! Thank you!http://www.kpic.com/news/local/99013234.html

O/T

Thanks Titch

Titch - his twitter

http://twitter.com/BrotherRon1967

OMG - this is his too

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=321947217179

http://www.mugglespace.com/profile/Redcoyote

http://www.treksinscifi.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=330

http://www.0x61.com/forum/comics-animation-marvel-f724/marvel-supeheroes-rpg-t691199.html

If Terri gave the teacher paperwork..then she would have needed that back by a certain date.  If Terri had made a doctor's appointment for Kyron..the doctor's office could verify the date.

I remember early on someone asked Kaine and Desiree in an interview if the doctors appt had been Jun 4th or Jun 11th.  Their answer was it hadn't been verified either way yet..or they didn't know if had been verified yet.

That is easy to find out..LE may not have shared that with them yet.  But certainly by now they know ....I vote there never was a doc appt made for Kyron..Kaine didn't know anything about it at all.

I think there never was a doc appt, I believe what the teachers said, and the school super.

Terri thought everyone would believe her version..she didn't quite get the details nailed down and I think the doc appt is going to be a smoking gun in this case. 

I guess what I am trying to say is..if Terri gave the teacher paperwork..which I think only Terri has stated she did..I don't think I've heard the teacher or the school say they had paperwork for a doc appt...then there should be a doc appt..if they missed that appt and there was none for Jun 11th..then the jig is up. 

TY Janet.

Sothey may be in court today to settle financial and other issues? 

I thought the July 22nd hearing got moved up to last Friday because Kaine needed her out Saturday to secure the house.  That he did not want to wait another week to get Kiara at home and settled.

Terri Horman agrees to leave house
by Colin Miner, Michael Rollins and David Krough, KGW.com staff kgw.com Posted on July 12, 2010 at 11:02 AM Updated Monday, Jul 12 at 12:44 PM
PORTLAND --  Kyron's stepmother Terri Moulton Horman will not challenge a request to move out of the former family home, a letter from her lawyer read Monday.

The boy's father Kaine Horman had added a clause to a restraining order that she leave the home last week. A July 22 scheduled hearing in the case was cancelled, according to the court.

http://www.kgw.com/news/kyron-horman/Desiree-Young-on-Terri-Moulton-I-know-shes-lying-98075814.html

Thank-you Titch

Anytime Klaas!

I despise sex offenders so much that I think not allowing them on social networking sites is waaay too lenient. I personally think they should be made to register all ip's in their residence & those ip's should have a sex offender flag attached to it. We live in such a world right now where technology is sooo advanced & rules many nations. There's no reason whatsoever that the internet can't be more secure...for everyone's protection.

If a nuclear warhead can be controlled by a computer, then surely a sex offender's electronic tracks can be traced & blocked before hand...kwim?

Sure thing!

It should be easy enough to verify whether there was a scheduled doctor's appointment for Kyron on July 11th.

Janet

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Q&A with Kyron Horman family touches on polygraph tests, day boy disappeared
Published: Monday, July 05, 2010, 11:11 PM
Updated: Tuesday, July 06, 2010, 6:30 AM

Was Kyron supposed to be out of school the following Friday for a doctor's appointment?

"There was some discussion about the appointment but it was unknown exactly when the appointment was scheduled so we cannot comment for certain."

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/07/horman_family_answers_question.html

What kind of paperwork is filled out nowadays when your child has an appointment, I have to say I'm really confused by this, never filled out paperwork for my kids, granted that was awhile ago. Are there actually printed forms that the parent or guardian fills out?

TY Brandi.

She'd rather give up her daughter, her home, her car (I thought I read somewhere Kaine had that towed away), THEN HAVE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS AT THE RO ABOUT THE MFH.  That says a lot to me.

I would suspect if she was taking him for an eval for ADD or something like that the doctor has the parents fill out a form of behavior at home and the teacher fills one out..like staying on task, staying in their seat, not bothering other students, etc. 

I wish the school would comment about rather the teacher really did receive paperwork from Terri or if just told her their was an appt that day.

Thank you, Janet. I wonder if Kaine will have to pay her some kind of support. They weren't married for that long, so I have no idea if alimony will come into play...but she didn't hold a full time job. Since he has custody of Kiara right now, it'll probably be a trade off...but since child support can frequently be more than alimony (in some cases), I do wonder if the judge maybe will advise her she'll have to pay some form of child support, therefore she'll have to get a job.

I am curious about the Mustang. It was reported to have been towed somewhere. Does anyone know where it was towed to? I'd like to know if full forensics were performed on the car, as well as the truck. I believe it's been done on the truck, kinda wondering about the car's undercarriage though. Since this was a well documented gift from Kaine to Terri, and since she's not been named a suspect yet, could she legally take that car & sell it? Assuming it's not paid off yet, and it very well could be, how would that affect the sale if the car is registered in her name but the loan is in Kaine's name? Or, is the car registered in Kaine's name? Did anyone do an auto check on the Horman's vehicles? I didn't even think about it...

This will get interesting, I think.

Welcome. She did not lose the car, actually. Kaine mentioned that the 'stang was not on the restraining order and she had a right to keep it. He had it towed off his property when he moved back in, because she had left it behind.

But not fighting for your 20-month old child? Can't imagine it.