Natalee Case Discussion #839 6/14/10 - 6/17/10

[SunnyinTX]

You guys, i really don't think it's fair you all to be bashing Robin Holloway. She has been living a hell on earth as well for the past 5 years & Dave does have 2 daughters with her, the oldest of which looks just like Natalee. i see them daily during the school year when I'm picking my granddaughter up at school & at school functions. I know them both. They are very sweet gentle people. I would imagine that they all wish they had their life back at certain times but that sounds like something that maybe should have been kept between her & Dave. That in no way would take away her love for Natalee. That just sounds like gossip & should be taken as such, but that's JMO FWIW

Monken, I appreciate your point of view.....but I know what I know....and I know Robin has said some terrible things...the person she said it to related it to me and I trust that person.  It's not gossip. I try NOT TO EVER post gossip.

[darleenofalabama]

Well, Janet, you just have to know her...lol

[Dragnet]

Janet, I believe that I can tell you right now that Klaasand wrote that tongue-in-cheek.

Without our emotion icons I cannot tell.

I am a believer in miracles.  If Charlierat can bow ... then so can others who have been behind the misinformation campaign established early on to take the focus off of the truth.  Charlierat main contribution to that campaign has been to despicably undermining the every word and action of Natalee Holloway's mother.

Janet

Can someone please briefly summarize for me who Charlierat is or point me in a direction that would?  Thanks.

[carpe noctem]

Janet, I believe that I can tell you right now that Klaasand wrote that tongue-in-cheek.

Without our emotion icons I cannot tell.

I am a believer in miracles.  If Charlierat can bow ... then so can others who have been behind the misinformation campaign established early on to take the focus off of the truth.  Charlierat main contribution to that campaign has been to despicably undermining the every word and action of Natalee Holloway's mother.

Janet

Can someone please briefly summarize for me who Charlierat is or point me in a direction that would?  Thanks.

Long time Aruba apologist. Believes it was Natalee's own fault for being killed.

Once stood in line for Beth book signing with an Aruba polo shirt on and asked to take a picture with her.

His filth is spread far and wide all over the internet.

He is a bankruptcy lawyer based out of BHam, AL

[darleenofalabama]

Monken, I have certainly noticed that Dave is a perfect gentleman!  While, I don't think that Robin told anyone to stalk him, I have heard (and seen her own posts that seem to substantiate) that she if friendly with people known to be at the very least involved in the spin against Beth as well as the spin to try to support the Aruban government's cover-up, and blockages of any progress toward justice for Natalee; these same people are also defenders of that multiple murderer and his father.  Therefore, they appear to be on the side of the government's actions to hide information and prevent justice for Natalee--as it certainly seems that stalker is doing.  No one on the side of justice for Natalee should be even remotely, or indirectly, friendly with such people--even at the social media level.

[BUCKSHOT]

Peru Case:
(1) Full casino footage
(2) Hotel surveillance video in lobby and hallway.
(3) Parking lot footage

Aruba Case:
(1) Island-wide power outage - no video surveillance.

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Peru Case:
(1) International cooperation for fugitive manhunt.
(2) Fugitive capture with extradition among countries.

Aruba Case:
(1) Arrest innocent security guards
(2) Allow "last known suspects" a ten day head-start. They call this "secret monitoring."

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Peru Case:
(1) Team of Investigators build case with solid forensic evidence.
(2) Guarantee of fair trial within system, which includes three-judge panel.
(3) Joran is in maximum security prison within approximately two weeks, charged with correct crime.

Aruba Case:
(1) Investigators consult with Suspects father on which evidence to keep, lose, or modify.
(2) Suspects father's judicial friends block searches, release all suspects, without valid explanation.
(1) Five Years and Counting...Aruba has not solved case. Main suspect has confessed on internation TV at least five times.

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Peru Case:
(1) Prison privelages include: Toilet, Sink, Food, Pre-Set Visitation Days/Times.

Aruba Case:
(1) Prison privelages include: Toilet, Sink, Gourmet food, Cellphone, TV, Internet service, Unlimited Visitor Schedule.

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What a night and day difference...Take notes, Aruba.
You stuck your neck on the line for Joran and tourism money. You have lost at both missions.
Your tourism is non-existent, your integrity/credibility compares with a turd, and Joran is making you look like fools.
The difference is simple: Peru wants to solve the crime, Aruba wanted to cover the crime.

[Brandi]

Not sure if this has been posted yet or not:

http://drlillianglass.com/body-language-blog/

Shock and Wide Eyed Fear As a Non- Smirking Joran van der Sloot Enters the Reality of Prison Life in Peru

[SunnyinTX]

Janet, I believe that I can tell you right now that Klaasand wrote that tongue-in-cheek.

Without our emotion icons I cannot tell.

I am a believer in miracles.  If Charlierat can bow ... then so can others who have been behind the misinformation campaign established early on to take the focus off of the truth.  Charlierat main contribution to that campaign has been to despicably undermining the every word and action of Natalee Holloway's mother.

Janet

Can someone please briefly summarize for me who Charlierat is or point me in a direction that would?  Thanks.

Long time Aruba apologist. Believes it was Natalee's own fault for being killed.

Once stood in line for Beth book signing with an Aruba polo shirt on and asked to take a picture with her.

His filth is spread far and wide all over the internet.

He is a bankruptcy lawyer based out of BHam, AL

and he is coyote ugly and probably has stains in the butt of his shorts....I would spit on him if I ever saw him....he said some awful, terrible, nasty things about Natalee and Beth...

[Tylergal]

I was not going to comment but I can no longer contain myself.  You should know that someone at Natalee's site run by Robin allowed access to pictures of Natalee to the meanest, most evil people so they could make fun of Beth, Natalee and Dave. 

You should have been reading her comments all through the years.  Not only did she invite them to post at Natalee's site but she went to their site and posted.  This was a place where the most filthy-mouthed sleaze bags post, posts that were slaps-in-the-face to not only Dave but to Beth and Natalee. 

I can no longer see her as benevolent or naive, at the most.  She is something else. She needs to quit being so friendly with those people who have taken hate against Beth, the people who have done so much to torment Dave and Beth and those who have certainly impeded any investigation and participated in the disinformation campaign, but some of whom, some suspect, may have had a hand in disappearing Natalee.  Some wonder if her carrying on like this with these evil men is healthy for her marriage.

[BUCKSHOT]

Joran's main decision this week, while in jail:

(1) Should I tell everyone what I know, in hopes of a lighter sentence. Need to talk to Aruban officials first, though, because they, too, are involved and need to help me with an airtight story that will fly on an international level.

OR

(2) Will the Peruvian officials discover evidence on my laptop and not need me or my story anymore. Then, I will be irrelevant to everyone and get screwed by missing the opportunity to help myself.

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Joran: I better ask my MOMMY and the HITMAN what they would do. This is a tough decision. Joey T won't call us back because we stiffed him on our last bill. Geez...What to do, what to do???

[Dragnet]

Janet, I believe that I can tell you right now that Klaasand wrote that tongue-in-cheek.

Without our emotion icons I cannot tell.

I am a believer in miracles.  If Charlierat can bow ... then so can others who have been behind the misinformation campaign established early on to take the focus off of the truth.  Charlierat main contribution to that campaign has been to despicably undermining the every word and action of Natalee Holloway's mother.

Janet

Can someone please briefly summarize for me who Charlierat is or point me in a direction that would?  Thanks.

Long time Aruba apologist. Believes it was Natalee's own fault for being killed.

Once stood in line for Beth book signing with an Aruba polo shirt on and asked to take a picture with her.

His filth is spread far and wide all over the internet.

He is a bankruptcy lawyer based out of BHam, AL

Thanks carpe!

[Tylergal]

Janet, I believe that I can tell you right now that Klaasand wrote that tongue-in-cheek.

Without our emotion icons I cannot tell.

I am a believer in miracles.  If Charlierat can bow ... then so can others who have been behind the misinformation campaign established early on to take the focus off of the truth.  Charlierat main contribution to that campaign has been to despicably undermining the every word and action of Natalee Holloway's mother.

Janet

Can someone please briefly summarize for me who Charlierat is or point me in a direction that would?  Thanks.

Long time Aruba apologist. Believes it was Natalee's own fault for being killed.

Once stood in line for Beth book signing with an Aruba polo shirt on and asked to take a picture with her.

His filth is spread far and wide all over the internet.

He is a bankruptcy lawyer based out of BHam, AL

Thanks carpe!

FOR, friend of Robin.

[Elaine]

Hi Monkeys, don't know if this was posted yet:


http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/06/15/aruba.van.der.sloot/index.html?eref=rss_crime

Aruban, Peruvian authorities will 'help each other' in murder probeBy the CNN Wire Staff

(CNN) -- Aruban and Peruvian authorities have agreed to "help each other" in the murder investigation of Stephany Flores -- in which Joran Van der Sloot is the prime suspect, an Aruban government spokesman said Tuesday.

Investigators hope the cooperation will lead to new information about the disappearance of Alabama teenager Natalee Holloway in 2005 in Aruba. Van der Sloot is also a suspect in that case.

Following a phone meeting with Peruvian Judge Carlos Morales on Tuesday morning, Aruban government spokesman Taco Stein said Peruvian authorities have agreed to allow Aruban investigators into Peru to interview van der Sloot once a formal request has been made.

Stein did not indicate when the request would take place or when Aruban investigators are expected to arrive in Peru, but described the meeting as a "positive start" to information sharing that many Arubans hope will shed more light on the Holloway case.

Holloway's father, Dave Holloway, met with Aruban authorities on the island Tuesday and told CNN he believes progress is being made in the investigation. He declined to elaborate further.

Peruvian authorities have charged van der Sloot, a 22-year-old Dutch citizen, with murder in the death of 21-year-old Flores last month.

Van der Sloot said he was in Peru for a poker tournament and had met Flores while he was gambling.

Police have said they think van der Sloot killed Flores to steal money she won from gambling.

Van der Sloot told authorities he attacked Flores on May 30 after she read an e-mail on his computer connected with the Holloway case.

CNN's David Ariosto and Rupa Mikkilineni contributed to this report

[BUCKSHOT]

I will say this again: I hate the thought that Vinda and Julia are potentially friends.

That almost makes me throw up in my mouth...How F'd up would that be?

[SunnyinTX]

Janet, I believe that I can tell you right now that Klaasand wrote that tongue-in-cheek.

Without our emotion icons I cannot tell.

I am a believer in miracles.  If Charlierat can bow ... then so can others who have been behind the misinformation campaign established early on to take the focus off of the truth.  Charlierat main contribution to that campaign has been to despicably undermining the every word and action of Natalee Holloway's mother.

Janet

Can someone please briefly summarize for me who Charlierat is or point me in a direction that would?  Thanks.

Long time Aruba apologist. Believes it was Natalee's own fault for being killed.

Once stood in line for Beth book signing with an Aruba polo shirt on and asked to take a picture with her.

His filth is spread far and wide all over the internet.

He is a bankruptcy lawyer based out of BHam, AL

Thanks carpe!

FOR, friend of Robin.

yep and very good friends with renHO!

[klaasend]

I was not going to comment but I can no longer contain myself.  You should know that someone at Natalee's site run by Robin allowed access to pictures of Natalee to the meanest, most evil people so they could make fun of Beth, Natalee and Dave. 

You should have been reading her comments all through the years.  Not only did she invite them to post at Natalee's site but she went to their site and posted.  This was a place where the most filthy-mouthed sleaze bags post, posts that were slaps-in-the-face to not only Dave but to Beth and Natalee. 

I can no longer see her as benevolent or naive, at the most.  She is something else. She needs to quit being so friendly with those people who have taken hate against Beth, the people who have done so much to torment Dave and Beth and those who have certainly impeded any investigation and participated in the disinformation campaign, but some of whom, some suspect, may have had a hand in disappearing Natalee.  Some wonder if her carrying on like this with these evil men is healthy for her marriage.

Bravo!  I whole heartedly agree!  I've seen it with my own eyes.

[2NJSons_Mom]

I will say this again: I hate the thought that Vinda and Julia are potentially friends.

That almost makes me throw up in my mouth...How F'd up would that be?

We have seen many photos of social gatherings in Aruba with known personalities somehow related to Natalee's case.  Their lives and careers are interwined.  Being an acquaintance is different from being a friend....I don't know what to think about this, Buckshot.  

[carpe noctem]

CharlieRat

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[darleenofalabama]

Tyler, I think that was very well said; and so true.

[Tamikosmom]

I was not going to comment but I can no longer contain myself.  You should know that someone at Natalee's site run by Robin allowed access to pictures of Natalee to the meanest, most evil people so they could make fun of Beth, Natalee and Dave. 

You should have been reading her comments all through the years.  Not only did she invite them to post at Natalee's site but she went to their site and posted.  This was a place where the most filthy-mouthed sleaze bags post, posts that were slaps-in-the-face to not only Dave but to Beth and Natalee. 

I can no longer see her as benevolent or naive, at the most.  She is something else. She needs to quit being so friendly with those people who have taken hate against Beth, the people who have done so much to torment Dave and Beth and those who have certainly impeded any investigation and participated in the disinformation campaign, but some of whom, some suspect, may have had a hand in disappearing Natalee.  Some wonder if her carrying on like this with these evil men is healthy for her marriage.

Bravo!  I whole heartedly agree!  I've seen it with my own eyes.

Thanks Tylergal!

Hugs

Janet