SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2

[COLOMBO]

"How could so many gamblers be wrong about the girl?"

[hotping]

"How could so many gamblers be wrong about the girl?"

Colombo...Are You trying to say that it was not Natalee that owed the money or Are You trying to say that Natalee was not as easy as The Gamblers thought She would be? There are some that believe that Natalee was taken by mistake that They got Her mixed Up with Someone Else from MB...Your thoughts ..Please...TIA

[COLOMBO]

sounds like there was book being made

curiously NH had become loot

[COLOMBO]

either that or the poison note$ refer to credit..... JVDS is playing the next night at Wyndham

[COLOMBO]

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 5:22 pm
The babylonians knew it was dangerous to trade among the arawaks

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 9:43 pm
Did the babylonians like to make movies?
From the tears, a new river will spring forth….

[Chata]

quoting hotping:
"I believe that the post by Aristotle above and what Colombo was trying to say are the same in that....The game is on going and that since Natalee's case is so publicized and all.... that they simply moved the game to St Maarten hence the Leta Cordes Case..... "

Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 11:43 pm
Mary rolled into the maze
to play with lions
but it was not a game   [this time something bad happened]
the lamb ran bleating
afraid to walk through the maze
why don’t the arawaks ambush the lions?
The cowboys don’t know.
DirtyHand knows, but is afraid of the Arawak Nation
The gods are talking


the game, pg 4:
http://www.ca11.uscourts.gov/opinions/ops/200214306.pdf
Both pimps and prostitutes generally referred to their activities as “the game.”

JE... If you don't mind, I would like your opinion on this post that vms posted by Aristotle from BFN, from the old thread.

Do you know if such a 'tradition' does exist in the Netherlands? Do you think this is feasible? Could this be what Shango was posting about?   TIA

« Reply #1883 on: February 13, 2008, 06:02:04 PM » 

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From BFN:


Aristotle wrote:

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I am going to go out on a limb here.  This is only my opinion, like it or not, i don't care.  I reread shango recently and after devries "confession" by joran, i finally think i understand what shango was saying.  IMO joran is still lying to protect others.  IMO Mos should go to Bonaire and question vanderstraten.  I won't bore you with my line by line translations, but here is the gist. (and by the way, more than one source in aruba have confirmed that they have heard that these parties DO exist).

long ago in holland, a tradition was started where older influential men would meet and party..drugs, etc., and a younger girl or girls would be brought to them to satisfy their sexual pleasures.  Some of those men over the years transplanted to Aruba, yet they kept up the tradition, allowing others into their "group." These others likely consist of politicians and others in "power" positions.

there was one of these parties held in May 2005.  The "guest of honor" at this party...the young girl... was natalee.  She was lured to the party by joran.  The 2k dropped them off, as the 2k were not permitted at the party.  Something bad happened to natalee at the party.  joran was not the one who directly harmed her...he just lead her to this party.  Paulus and Vanderstraten know about these parties, and this party in particular.  Vanderstraten knows who harmed natalee. Other members of the ALE attend these parties as well.  joran cannot tell the truth about what happened to natalee because to do so would expose all of these other people.  Many of the politicians and policemen of aruba, and others...possibly judges, attorneys, etc., would lose their jobs over this and tourism would decline because tourists would not feel safe on an island littered with crooked cops.

the searches, arrests, court proceedings, etc. have been orchestrated to deceive the Americans/world and hide the truth about the island. everything, right down to joran's recent "confession" has been a sham, smoke and mirrors and a horse and pony show.  The ALE knows that the Americans/world is not going to let this go until someone is blamed for natalee's death.  joran is the obvious scapegoat because he was last seen with her and did not cause her death, so he can't be found guilty of that. 

the truth of Shango's posts will remain hidden, as will the truth about what happened to natalee until these parties and their participants are exposed.  According to shango, Vanderstraten did not participate directly in these parties, but he knew about them and did not shut them down.

IMO all of the people involved in these parties, and this party in particular, should be held accountable as they have misdirected the "investigation" from the start and up to the present time.  The question is, will Mos break the case wide open by exposing this, or is he a participant in these parties and/or the cover up? 
 
 

Mum I hope You don't mind Me replying to this post since it was directed to JE but this reminds Me of something I need to mention

Here awhile back Colombo was posting and saying that this missing person was part of the game and that it was an on going thing....connect the dots

 

Colombo said something like if You work at McDonalds and move to another island would You be able to get a job at another McDonald's....

I believe that the post by Aristotle above and what Colombo was trying to say are the same in that....The game is on going and that since Natalee's case is so publicized and all.... that they simply moved the game to St Maarten hence the Leta Cordes Case.....

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2007/03/06/kathleen-feeney-american-tourist-missing-in-st-maarten-since-march-1-2007/

I believe the post by Aristotle is pretty accurate except that I believe that Joran took Natalee to the party and things were not going right (She was combative) so the Elders made Him take Her Away at which time He called Paulus to pick Him up and that's how Natalee wound up at the Sloots House and something bad happened...JMO... 

There is a discussion at BFN, "Daury" thread ... last few pages that go along with this.  Also, look back 20-30 pages at a post that I made suggesting the habits of the old men being brought to Aruba from their European roots and still being practiced.  I really do think that the casinos/hotels are involved in some way too. Too much activity there by all the players.

CAPS, I would like for you to dissect the the two story lines in Shango and apply the clues from Simian so my mind can wrap around it.  Your answers are sometimes confusing to me ... LOL.

Chata

[jackb]

I am hoping this person is Dirty Hand...but skeptics will question how public prosecutor came from Babalu's interpretation that Shango agreed to as being the Chief of Polis.  Need more info and more proof to make this assumption...have to connect him to Paulus and show why he can break the alibi and who's alibi he's breaking.  Also, Shango says Dirty Hand was discovered...when did this happen?  Just thinking out loud about how this will be viewed by others....I want to know more.

This is slim, but:  Palus played music and this martin deutekom is a jazz musician.  That name does not seem to really draw a lot of the same last names when I searched.  Maybe Martin and Fran are close kin or linked to Paulus through music some way.  j/b

[Lala'sMom]

COLOMBO
   
Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know?
« Reply #846 on: January 17, 2008, 10:34:26 PM »
   
If you work at McDonald's, and then go off to college in another part of the country, could you simply work at another McDonald's near the school?




http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1952.840

[jackb]

"How could so many gamblers be wrong about the girl?"

Colombo...Are You trying to say that it was not Natalee that owed the money or Are You trying to say that Natalee was not as easy as The Gamblers thought She would be? There are some that believe that Natalee was taken by mistake that They got Her mixed Up with Someone Else from MB...Your thoughts ..Please...TIA

That definitely is a possibility as it looks, but there again, you have had this played out before by the pimps to whatever degree.  I do not believe NH would be gambling, if so, not much.  She had money in her room.  She could have called home for money, I am very sure.  She did not seem to go to excess with anything from what I am learning about her.  Who would leave at that time of night and go for more gambling when school and/or work is coming up, a flight leaving?  It was most likely someone else owed the money and was paying off with a girl.  Wonder what kind of party was being at the sloots on a work and school night?  Maybe Palus owed money.  He was out of work at the time.  He knew people who had perverted lusts, it seems.  No, there were gamblers, but private party gamblers somewhere.  Jackb

[jackb]

"How could so many gamblers be wrong about the girl?"

Colombo...Are You trying to say that it was not Natalee that owed the money or Are You trying to say that Natalee was not as easy as The Gamblers thought She would be? There are some that believe that Natalee was taken by mistake that They got Her mixed Up with Someone Else from MB...Your thoughts ..Please...TIA

I believe someone from MB may have been the right girl, if this is the scenario that caused the death of this girl, an, if so, they do need to come forward if they have not already.  Even if they help solve this, it does not mean they have to use their name, or picture.  Just let everyone know so those responsible will have to tell the truth enough to let everyone know where she is and allow justice to prevail.   j/b

[Lala'sMom]

Who attends these high stakes gambling parties?  The type that you pay in human flesh rather than cash?  Hmmmmm.....

[Chata]

"How could so many gamblers be wrong about the girl?"

Colombo...Are You trying to say that it was not Natalee that owed the money or Are You trying to say that Natalee was not as easy as The Gamblers thought She would be? There are some that believe that Natalee was taken by mistake that They got Her mixed Up with Someone Else from MB...Your thoughts ..Please...TIA

That definitely is a possibility as it looks, but there again, you have had this played out before by the pimps to whatever degree.  I do not believe NH would be gambling, if so, not much.  She had money in her room.  She could have called home for money, I am very sure.  She did not seem to go to excess with anything from what I am learning about her.  Who would leave at that time of night and go for more gambling when school and/or work is coming up, a flight leaving?  It was most likely someone else owed the money and was paying off with a girl.  Wonder what kind of party was being at the sloots on a work and school night?  Maybe Palus owed money.  He was out of work at the time.  He knew people who had perverted lusts, it seems.  No, there were gamblers, but private party gamblers somewhere.  Jackb

Yes ... now who??? 
CAPS, do you know???

Chata

[Lala'sMom]

COLOMBO

   
   
Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know?
« Reply #1737 on: February 09, 2008, 05:29:13 PM »
   
Quote from: MumInOhio on February 09, 2008, 12:05:08 PM
COLUMBO.....Security guards in black, insurance policy, maybe she drowned, road some of which is not paved, taken to another part of the island, Wyndham/Westin, small island and everyone should know...there's a lot of connections here....it all sounds familiar...so what happened to her...I read Leta was seen in the casino and then that was apparently retracted....not sure which path...


while of gold bricks
the road is not paved

Westin Aruba was Wyndham
"The fallen judge and the singing card are of the same hand, but it is dangerous for the Arawaks to play it, because everyone would hear, including the cowboys"

DirtyHand is the key
He walks with the elders
He walks in all houses
And he walked with the fallen elder
he was the hidden card that was played (by PVDS)

DirtyHand is the key and may leave soon to avoid attention from the cowboys and the fort

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1952.1720

[Lala'sMom]

MumInOhio


Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know?
« Reply #1740 on: February 09, 2008, 07:26:40 PM »
   
   
Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know?
« Reply #1740 on: February 09, 2008, 07:26:40 PM »
   
Quote from: Lala'sMom on February 09, 2008, 06:32:03 PM
Mum
Do you remember the conversation about Ruffner Page from the NAH thread a few weeks ago? His daughter is Virginia and there was speculation that she would have been the most likley target if there was a planned kidnapping? Could you use your magical powers and find out about this again for me?  TIA

Lala's...here's the link...

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2539.180

[Lala'sMom]

"How could so many gamblers be wrong about the girl?"

Colombo...Are You trying to say that it was not Natalee that owed the money or Are You trying to say that Natalee was not as easy as The Gamblers thought She would be? There are some that believe that Natalee was taken by mistake that They got Her mixed Up with Someone Else from MB...Your thoughts ..Please...TIA

That definitely is a possibility as it looks, but there again, you have had this played out before by the pimps to whatever degree.  I do not believe NH would be gambling, if so, not much.  She had money in her room.  She could have called home for money, I am very sure.  She did not seem to go to excess with anything from what I am learning about her.  Who would leave at that time of night and go for more gambling when school and/or work is coming up, a flight leaving?  It was most likely someone else owed the money and was paying off with a girl.  Wonder what kind of party was being at the sloots on a work and school night?  Maybe Palus owed money.  He was out of work at the time.  He knew people who had perverted lusts, it seems.  No, there were gamblers, but private party gamblers somewhere.  Jackb

Yes ... now who??? 
CAPS, do you know???

Chata

Maybe those dutch owned apartments?

[Lala'sMom]

Discussion about the Dutch owned apartments link...

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1952.1620


CapsLockWizard
   
Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know?
« Reply #1633 on: February 01, 2008, 10:35:57 PM »
   
Both of the Apartments have been use to do this....

One was for the party and planning the other was for the seeking pleasure of the forbidden fruits
 

[jackb]

quoting hotping:
"I believe that the post by Aristotle above and what Colombo was trying to say are the same in that....The game is on going and that since Natalee's case is so publicized and all.... that they simply moved the game to St Maarten hence the Leta Cordes Case..... "

Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 11:43 pm
Mary rolled into the maze
to play with lions
but it was not a game   [this time something bad happened]
the lamb ran bleating
afraid to walk through the maze
why don’t the arawaks ambush the lions?
The cowboys don’t know.
DirtyHand knows, but is afraid of the Arawak Nation
The gods are talking


the game, pg 4:
http://www.ca11.uscourts.gov/opinions/ops/200214306.pdf
Both pimps and prostitutes generally referred to their activities as “the game.”

JE... If you don't mind, I would like your opinion on this post that vms posted by Aristotle from BFN, from the old thread.

Do you know if such a 'tradition' does exist in the Netherlands? Do you think this is feasible? Could this be what Shango was posting about?   TIA

« Reply #1883 on: February 13, 2008, 06:02:04 PM » 

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
From BFN:


Aristotle wrote:

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
I am going to go out on a limb here.  This is only my opinion, like it or not, i don't care.  I reread shango recently and after devries "confession" by joran, i finally think i understand what shango was saying.  IMO joran is still lying to protect others.  IMO Mos should go to Bonaire and question vanderstraten.  I won't bore you with my line by line translations, but here is the gist. (and by the way, more than one source in aruba have confirmed that they have heard that these parties DO exist).

long ago in holland, a tradition was started where older influential men would meet and party..drugs, etc., and a younger girl or girls would be brought to them to satisfy their sexual pleasures.  Some of those men over the years transplanted to Aruba, yet they kept up the tradition, allowing others into their "group." These others likely consist of politicians and others in "power" positions.

there was one of these parties held in May 2005.  The "guest of honor" at this party...the young girl... was natalee.  She was lured to the party by joran.  The 2k dropped them off, as the 2k were not permitted at the party.  Something bad happened to natalee at the party.  joran was not the one who directly harmed her...he just lead her to this party.  Paulus and Vanderstraten know about these parties, and this party in particular.  Vanderstraten knows who harmed natalee. Other members of the ALE attend these parties as well.  joran cannot tell the truth about what happened to natalee because to do so would expose all of these other people.  Many of the politicians and policemen of aruba, and others...possibly judges, attorneys, etc., would lose their jobs over this and tourism would decline because tourists would not feel safe on an island littered with crooked cops.

the searches, arrests, court proceedings, etc. have been orchestrated to deceive the Americans/world and hide the truth about the island. everything, right down to joran's recent "confession" has been a sham, smoke and mirrors and a horse and pony show.  The ALE knows that the Americans/world is not going to let this go until someone is blamed for natalee's death.  joran is the obvious scapegoat because he was last seen with her and did not cause her death, so he can't be found guilty of that. 

the truth of Shango's posts will remain hidden, as will the truth about what happened to natalee until these parties and their participants are exposed.  According to shango, Vanderstraten did not participate directly in these parties, but he knew about them and did not shut them down.

IMO all of the people involved in these parties, and this party in particular, should be held accountable as they have misdirected the "investigation" from the start and up to the present time.  The question is, will Mos break the case wide open by exposing this, or is he a participant in these parties and/or the cover up? 
 
 

Mum I hope You don't mind Me replying to this post since it was directed to JE but this reminds Me of something I need to mention

Here awhile back Colombo was posting and saying that this missing person was part of the game and that it was an on going thing....connect the dots

 

Colombo said something like if You work at McDonalds and move to another island would You be able to get a job at another McDonald's....

I believe that the post by Aristotle above and what Colombo was trying to say are the same in that....The game is on going and that since Natalee's case is so publicized and all.... that they simply moved the game to St Maarten hence the Leta Cordes Case.....

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2007/03/06/kathleen-feeney-american-tourist-missing-in-st-maarten-since-march-1-2007/

I believe the post by Aristotle is pretty accurate except that I believe that Joran took Natalee to the party and things were not going right (She was combative) so the Elders made Him take Her Away at which time He called Paulus to pick Him up and that's how Natalee wound up at the Sloots House and something bad happened...JMO... 

There is a discussion at BFN, "Daury" thread ... last few pages that go along with this.  Also, look back 20-30 pages at a post that I made suggesting the habits of the old men being brought to Aruba from their European roots and still being practiced.  I really do think that the casinos/hotels are involved in some way too. Too much activity there by all the players.

CAPS, I would like for you to dissect the the two story lines in Shango and apply the clues from Simian so my mind can wrap around it.  Your answers are sometimes confusing to me ... LOL.

Chata

Maybe Mary is the name of the girl who owed and not NH? This gambling part of the scene could have been during the gambling phase where she played and lost money earlier in the week (this Mary) and later came the pay off. Maybe this "Mary" was part of the hand off of NH, but most likely a mix up of girls, if this is the case.  Why is Mary the only name of anyone mentioned in the whole shango writings?  I believe the "lamb" is NH for she tried to run away.  If Mary is NH, why not make it NH specific?  Why not identify who this Mary is and then ID who NH is, if nothing else then say the girl who gambled and the girl mistakenly taken? The gamblers, and ask the dicemen???  j/b

[jackb]

"How could so many gamblers be wrong about the girl?"

Colombo...Are You trying to say that it was not Natalee that owed the money or Are You trying to say that Natalee was not as easy as The Gamblers thought She would be? There are some that believe that Natalee was taken by mistake that They got Her mixed Up with Someone Else from MB...Your thoughts ..Please...TIA

That definitely is a possibility as it looks, but there again, you have had this played out before by the pimps to whatever degree.  I do not believe NH would be gambling, if so, not much.  She had money in her room.  She could have called home for money, I am very sure.  She did not seem to go to excess with anything from what I am learning about her.  Who would leave at that time of night and go for more gambling when school and/or work is coming up, a flight leaving?  It was most likely someone else owed the money and was paying off with a girl.  Wonder what kind of party was being at the sloots on a work and school night?  Maybe Palus owed money.  He was out of work at the time.  He knew people who had perverted lusts, it seems.  No, there were gamblers, but private party gamblers somewhere.  Jackb

Yes ... now who??? 
CAPS, do you know???

Chata

Maybe those dutch owned apartments?

That colombo, and Aristotle thing sounds right to me, except I believe joran and Palus is the ultimate cause of her death so she would not talk.
    Jackb

[jackb]

"How could so many gamblers be wrong about the girl?"

Colombo...Are You trying to say that it was not Natalee that owed the money or Are You trying to say that Natalee was not as easy as The Gamblers thought She would be? There are some that believe that Natalee was taken by mistake that They got Her mixed Up with Someone Else from MB...Your thoughts ..Please...TIA

That definitely is a possibility as it looks, but there again, you have had this played out before by the pimps to whatever degree.  I do not believe NH would be gambling, if so, not much.  She had money in her room.  She could have called home for money, I am very sure.  She did not seem to go to excess with anything from what I am learning about her.  Who would leave at that time of night and go for more gambling when school and/or work is coming up, a flight leaving?  It was most likely someone else owed the money and was paying off with a girl.  Wonder what kind of party was being at the sloots on a work and school night?  Maybe Palus owed money.  He was out of work at the time.  He knew people who had perverted lusts, it seems.  No, there were gamblers, but private party gamblers somewhere.  Jackb

Yes ... now who??? 
CAPS, do you know???

Chata

Maybe those dutch owned apartments?

That colombo, and Aristotle thing sounds right to me, except I believe joran and Palus is the ultimate cause of her death so she would not talk.
    Jackb

  I failed to say I believe GCV applied the final fix.   j/b

[MumInOhio]

VIRGINia=MARY