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Holy crap - I'm first.

That's never happened before!

 ::MonkeyJnBox::

If you look at that pic of the Gottenbos boat in that Freebird doc Klaas posted on pg 98 of the last thread......

We were told that the FBI received a flimsy type material from that cage to compare to Natalee's blouse, and some sort of rubber type material.

Running around the back/sides of that boat, you can see a rubber type material.

A deer friend of mine had a boat similar to this one once, and says about the rubber strip:


If I remember correctly that is made up of a bunch
of maybe 3 foot sections that slide
into a very thin chrome strip at the top and bottom of it.
*****

Could be that a part of this rubber runner got snagged by the cage during its descent, and that rubber piece was still attached to/inside of the cage on Jan 7 2008.

*BTW, a damaged prop (what Rosalie Klien told us was wrong w/the Gottenbos boat) could have happened from sliding a cage off the back as well.

(http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb130/freebirdsjustice/In%20the%20Face%20of%20Evil/Part2Pic1.jpg)

Thanks Klaas!

Excellent deductions.

Lifesong - previous thread.


And when you toss in a dose of Kath8700 aka Dadofthree aka Hotshot - you have the makings of a real mess. She almost got a search stopped by TES by claiming she was some sort of affiliate / team member... and TES was almost escorted off the island.

I know I keep harping on this assclown, but good Lord, she should be in jail.  ::MonkeyNoNo:: who knows just how much damage she has really done - and I bet she did it out of the goodness of her heart and didn't take a florin.  ::MonkeyHaHa::

she worked directly for Dompig. No ifs, ands or buts.

My thoughts on the bribes have kind of been like this - there were the initial bribes from Paulus to a few cops - probably Burke, Dompig and who knows who else...Paulus had van der Straaten and Oduber in his inner circle - so no need to bribe them. He had stuff on Jacobs and a few other rotten to the core apples in the polis department.. so he leveraged that.

but to keep the cover-up going there were always more bribes from the AHATA. They paid some people in the US and Holland to continue the distraction. I imagine these were mainly people that worked in the ATA offices here in the states.

They also gave away free trips and comped some losers to just keep making a mess -

Then there were some kind of pay-offs to people like Purcell and Renho.

Could there have been payoffs to Project Lead on the Persistence ...payoffs that do not leave a money trail.  After all ... the finale' to the Aruban coverup that has prevented justice from prevailing since the getgo for Natalee Holloway could not have happened without this man's cooperation.

Janet

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DONATIONS FOLLOWING THE RECOVERY DIVE

jdsurveyor1 Newbie Posts: 11
John Silvetti, the Persistence and the Search for Natalee «
Reply #13 on: April 03, 2008, 07:52:13 PM »

The important thing is to raise funds. It will require corporate support as well as private donations. Dave and Beth have been doing a great job getting the word out and while I was on the island, Dave put me in contact with the head of the Hotel Association who is working on raising a sizeable amount.  So many on the island are supporting our efforts as well as people from all over the world.  The media really blew the cage out of proportion. Although the cage initially provided some moments of "what is in there", I warned all on board that none of this information was to leave the boat. It was very suspect that a cage of this size was found where it was on the seafloor relative to the coast. My feelings were this was highly unusual and probably had something to do with something, but not what we were after. It was decided that the cage would be investigated further by divers, however, it was designated as only a target of interest. The crew moved onto other targets. Unfortunately, inexperience and frustration led to premature statements, including that we had found her I don't think anyone was more upset than I that this information came off the boat and caused the Holloway family more grief!

http://blogsfornatalee.com/forum/index.php?topic=8476.msg334979#msg334979


PROFESSIONAL BENEFITS

Kyle Kingman - In His Own Words

Kyle Kingman:  John is not a believer in the trap. He took ALE's word as gospel that it wasn't case related, yet never studied the videos or bothered to inquire further. He had plans on doing business with Aruba and in S. America and he didn't want to hurt any feelings by talks hinting at lack of complete trust and friendship. I did not feel the same and we had a major difference in opinion. He was the one who never pressed ALE to be completely open with us with the trap evidence. I would have forced them to. However, John was the one paying my invoices so I was forced to sit back and hope for the best.


NATALEE HOLLOWAY'S UNCLE

Irresponsible Investigation

"But sharing information with people who work for people who are directly orchestrating the cover up, Rudy, or the Dutch, is the most irresponsible investigating I can imagine.

Waste of Time and Effort
 
"If I understood Kyle correctly, and that would be that the Arubans retrieved and possessed all finds, not sharing anything with the crew, then that effort was a waste of time and effort. The only thing it could have accomplished was to locate additional evidence for the Arubans to destroy.

Private Eye - Scared Monkeys

Great catch on the song lyrics Blah!   ::MonkeyCool::

Joran Van Der Sloot
We coulda split this whole thing up 50/50, but now im at the 40/40 getting tipsy
Tue at 7:31pm

Joran Van Der Sloot
Poppin a bottle of Nemiroff.. I hope this shit is good.
Yesterday at 4:00pm

Anita Hugen
Watch your language................
Yesterday at 6:43pm

Kill yourself, Anita. It will never get any better. It's like you are driving an out of control
Toyota. He thinks he's a rapper.

Thanks jen and blah.


Does anyone else find it a bit ironic that Ms. "Reincarnation" is telling the Sporter to watch HIS mouth??   ::MonkeyNoNo::

I do!!!! Kinda like Hoke telling Miss Daisy to slow down. ::MonkeyHaHa::

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

What I find interesting is neither one of them appear to be grieving in any way, shape or form.  Sporter is carrying on with his go nowhere, do nothing life - and Mama is salivating over meeting Richard Gere.

Something is not adding up here...

just when you think your level of revulsion has reached it zenith - the slootie sluts make a mockery of all things normal...

wonder if Dana will be telling Anita Van Der Hugggggel to tone it down before she becomes low-class...  ::MonkeyKiss::

btw- looks like every goon child in da haus be gettin' tipsy!  ::CowboySmiley::

Does anyone know if the clubs there still take pics on the weekends?  If so, I'll be interested to see if Sporter is in any of them - and who he's with.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

it's like the car has gone off the road, smashed through the front door of the hospital, burst into flames, and now she is reaching to put her seat belt on!

Is this European driving??  ::MonkeyHaHa::

As far as I know they do, I'll look around some. 

It seems Julia Renfro doesn't like her wall comments make more public than they were.  Now her facebook is private and it doesn't come up.  Marlene Purcell did the same thing about a week ago. 

Renfro FB:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub8/RenfroFB022410.jpg)

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub8/RenfroFacebook.jpg)

Thankies dear!  This could get interesting.  He just re-connected with Jaime C this week also......

Rob - What is up with Sebastian? Is he allergic to scissors?

I would attack Cousin It with the sheep shears while he was sleeping.

Seriously, he hasn't had a haircut in years!

He reminds me of the Gilligan Island episodes where the rock stars would get stranded...

jen, if you were married to Paulus - and he died, wouldn't you be par-tayin' like it's 1999?  ::MonkeyDevil::

and as gay as Richard Gere is - and the fact that he's a "has been".. washed up loser like the dumba$$es in REO - and he's on a world-wide "make up an award tour and I'll show-up cause I have no career" gig ...

it's all still better than being on the same continent as Paulus...

waking up next to Jerry Strawberry is better than being married to Paulus...

and as Rahm Emanuel says - he's %#@&*%^ r3t4rded....

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

well Carpe, he's not allergic to ice-cream and firecrackers...

maybe he'll get them confused iffin' ya know what I mean... ::MonkeyTongue::

He has got his mother's hips. ::piggy::

This is the best one yet, Carpe. ::MonkeyHaHa::

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Quote from: klaasend on February 24, 2010, 11:47:09 PM
Seriously though.  Have you ever in your life seen anything like Anita?  Even is she isn't upset over the death of her husband you would think she'd restrain herself and stay away from Facebook and other social networking sites for at least a month.   

The more I see her actions, the more I think she's not a grieving widow. 

Quote from: Carpe


I think the love boat sailed in that relationship years ago! She and Paulas seemed to
have more of a business arrangement.

When that sweaty Dutch fulminating bag of farts hit the concrete...

She was already probably dancing around the house with a spray bottle of Fabreze
in her hand singing:

I feel pretty,
Oh, so pretty,
I feel pretty and witty and bright!
And I pity
Any girl who isn't me tonight.

-looks in the mirror-

Says: Who issssss da Princess?

Jaime's facebook:

http://www.facebook.com/search/?flt=1&q=jaime+carra&o=2048&sid=1570897983.2937364352..1&s=50#!/profile.php?id=553101582&ref=search&sid=1570897983.2716872142..1

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub8/JaimeCarrasquilloFB.jpg)

These are from one of his videos.   ::MonkeyRoll::

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Van%20der%20Sloot/SebastianVanderSloot_p.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Van%20der%20Sloot/SebastianVanderSloot_p2.jpg)

 ::MonkeyDevil::

JAIME CARRASQUILLA

What is wrong with this picture.  Contrary to what he claims ... it appears that Joran had plans to go to C&C prior to his encounter with Natalee at the Black Jack table.

Janet

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Suspect Statement - June 9, 2005

Joran van der Sloot:

The girlfriends of the girl asked me if I was going to "Carlos & Charlies" that night. I told them that I couldn't do that because I had school tomorrow. The girls kept insisting that I should meet them at "Carlos & Charlies" because it was their last night on Aruba. After they kept insisting I agreed to meet with at "Carlos & Charlies". I don't know that name of the girl but I remember her from a photo in the newspaper on which Natalee was printed on the left side of her friends and the other girl was on the right side of the friends. This girl is the same girl  that sat at my left side at the blackjack table. After this I told the girl that it was OK and that I would do my best to go to "Carlos & Charlies".

... I did not make an agreement with the girl as to how late I would meet them at Carlos & Charlies. After that I walked outside through the casino and when I got outside I called my father from my mobile phone which has the number "REMOVED" on the mobile phone of my mother. My mother has a mobile phone with the number "REMOVED". I called my father on that phone because my mother was outside of the country and my father had her phone in his possession. When I called my father it was approximately 23.00 hours. I told my father that I was ready and if he could come and pick me up at "Mc Donalds". After that I had called my friend "Jaime CARASQUILLA" on his mobile phone. 


Witness Statement
June 17, 2005

Jaime Carrasquilla
 
On May 29th 2005, between the hours of 16.00 and 19.00, I was called by Joran on my mobile phone with the phone number.

Joran had asked me whether I wanted to go out with him that night. He told me that a few American girls would go to "Carlos & Charlies" and whether I wanted to meet up with him there.

Hmmm.  Which makes me wonder.... why did Anita Vandersloot go to Holland that dreadful day/night anyhow?  How often did she "go away" without her husband or "get away from him?"

Paulus had just spent a year away from the familly while he was studing for his judgeship.

Sharon/Tx

When Anita's words are considered in regards to the "conversation he had with the girl" ... it would appear that the Holiday Inn drop off ... is not what is being referred to.

In Joran's June 9, 2005 suspect statement he is still declaring the Holiday Inn drop off.  Anita arrived home on Wednesday, June 2, 2005.

Janet

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Pauw and Witteman
January 11, 2008 
 
(translated from Dutch)

Anita: ... I was in Holland by the way, for the birthday of my grandmother, she turned 90 years old.  I had gone to Holland for a few days, and Paul called me, like oh, something disturbing, there is a girl missing, and Joran seems to be the one who was last... seen with her, went out with her.  By the way, I was just at the point of leaving Holland, so I did not go back early.  So I had thought something like, jeez, oh what now, again? But we both felt like, well she will appear again, the girl has probably ran away.  And when he told me about the conversation he had with the girl, I then especially had thought something like, well she will turn up.  But after three days it became rather worrying. 

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2767.msg370253;topicseen#msg370253

And when he told me about the conversation he had with the girl, I then especially had thought something like, well she will turn up.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2767.msg370253;topicseen#msg370253
What this one
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/Casino/Nattalking.jpg)

I find it hard to believe that Joran is in Aruba and not one photo of him has appeared YET  ::MonkeyCool::

Well, I'm up to August 2nd and Kermit just outed Reality, I mean, Clint!   

 ::MonkeyGavel::      ::MonkeyDance::     ::MonkeyGavel::


And....Monkeys are sliding all over the place!   ::MonkeySlide::

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Lifesong, LOLOL  ::MonkeyDevil::

I doubt he's there.  Didn't some of the articles say he was to be interviewed in Frankfurt this week?  He may still have a few friends in Aruba but I think for the most part he is hated.  I don't think he'll be as comfortable strollin' down the streets, or in the clubs as he used to be.  Has he been back there at all since the Range Rover recordings that we know of? 

According to his social networking sites and his conversations with others he's in Aruba.  I find it odd myself.  He was at the funeral in the NL.  Nobody wants him back in Aruba.

http://www.beanstockd.com/beanstockd/2010/02/25/natalee-holloway-suspect-joran-van-der-sloot-confession-a-publicity-stunt-again/9130

(http://www.beanstockd.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/bstockd_joranvandersloot.jpg)

Natalee Holloway, the Alabama teen who disappeared in Aruba in 2005, is back in the news today. The chief suspect in the case, Joran van der Sloot, told a Dutch TV station he killed Holloway and hid her body in a swamp. This wasn’t the first time the now 22-year old van der Sloot confessed to the crime. In 2007, he was taped saying he and Holloway had sex on a beach where she had a seizure, died and he put her in a boat and dumped her in the ocean. Like with that confession, Aruban authorities investigated van der Sloot’s admission and declared it was nothing more than publicity stunt. My question: Why not just process him? A full-fledged trial has never occurred and van der Sloot continues to taunt Holloway’s family and Dutch authorities. A former colony of The Netherlands still under its rule, Aruba does not have the death penalty, but they do have perjury. He’s either guilty and stupid or he’s a jaded young buck who brazenly wears his defiance on his sleeve. He's definitely proud, but how far will he let his pride—and mouth—take him?

If you notice, all of those spreading the rumors that Joran is back in Aruba are
Joran himself and all of those rumor mongers....billybob/Medley; at least one of the
nit wit psychics; Anita; Renee Gielen and Renfro.

TV-station will broadcast Joran’s confession
24 Feb, 2010, 07:45 (GMT -04:00)

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ORANJESTAD — This Sunday evening, the Dutch TV-station RTL5 will be broadcasting the program in which main suspect Joran van der Sloot had made a new confession on the disappearance of Natalee Holloway in 2005. Initially, none of the stations had wanted to buy the program from TV-producer ‘Terror Jaap’.

Program director of RTL5, Remko van Westerloo states: “the interview was offered to us last year. Our initial reaction had been skeptic. Nevertheless, we found that the interview gave cause for thorough investigation. We spoke with several experts and the necessary critics. This led to a spectacular special, which we will be broadcasting on Sunday. The viewers may form their own judgment.”
The broadcast will include the findings from the investigation, the original interview with Joran and several follow-up conversations.
During this program from Terror Jaap, Joran is supposedly hooked up to a lie detector. The Public Prosecution (OM) on Aruba is not impressed by the company’s professionalism that had taken the lie detector test, says field officer Peter Blanken. Even Peter R. de Vries, who had elicited a confession from Joran, is not impressed.

http://amigo.com

 
 

Dutch first followed by a translation..


binnenland interior 
Gespannen bij verklaring Worried Statement
'Natalee snoof cocaïne en viel van het balkon' "Natalee snorted cocaine and fell from the balcony"
door door John van den Heuvel en Bert Huisjes by John van den Heuvel and Bert Houses
AMSTERDAM - Joran van der Sloot blijkt in zijn nieuwe bekentenis emotioneel en zeer gedetailleerd te hebben verklaard over zijn aandeel in de dood van Natalee Holloway. AMSTERDAM - Joran van der Sloot confession appears in his new and very emotional detail stated on his part in the death of Natalee Holloway.
 
Is het echt of gespeeld?
 
Is it real or play?
 
Joran van der Sloot zegt voor de RTL-camera's dat hij schoon schip wil maken en verklaart dat hij het lichaam van Natalee Holloway in een moeras heeft laten verdwijnen.
 
Joran van der Sloot said on RTL-camera that he wants to come clean and declare that I am the body of Natalee Holloway in a swamp has disappear.
 
Oud-politiechef Gerald Dompig, die onderzoek deed naar de verdwijning, stelde gisteren dat de lezing wel degelijk past in de bevindingen van het eerste onderzoek. Former Police Chief Gerald Dompig, who investigated the disappearance, said yesterday that reading really fits the findings of the first investigation. De Telegraaf heeft gisteren integraal kennis genomen van het op video opgenomen gesprek van 2,5 uur. De Telegraaf yesterday fully aware of the videotaped interview of 2.5 hours. De nieuwe bekentenis vond plaats in een hotel in Düsseldorf en wordt zondagavond door RTL 5 uitgezonden. The new confession took place in a hotel in Düsseldorf and was broadcast Sunday by RTL 5.

Nieuwe versie New version

Joran komt door zijn heftige emoties overtuigender over dan in zijn eerste onvrijwillige tv-biecht. Joran is his violent emotions more convincing than in his first TV involuntary confession. Justitie op Aruba zou de bekentenis te snel afdoen als weer een nieuwe versie 'fantasie en leugens', althans zo stelt ex-politieman Dompig in een reactie op de conclusie van hoofdofficier Peter Blanken. Justice in Aruba, the confession quickly dismissed as yet another version "lies and fantasy ', says ex-policeman least Dompig in response to the finding of a chief Peter Blanken.

De voormalig onderzoeksleider zegt dat de bekentenis serieus onderzoek vraagt. Volgens hem past de lezing in de tijdslijn. The former investigator says that the confession serious investigation. He fits the reading in the timeline. Ook is Van der Sloot volgens hem ditmaal specifiek. Also, Van der Sloot in his time specific. Zo noemt Joran het exacte huisadres waar Natalee stierf, de naam van de medeplichtige en omschrijft hij de auto waarmee haar lichaam werd vervoerd. So Joran mentions the exact street address where Natalee died, the name of the accomplice and he describes the car that her body was transported.

Van der Sloot handhaaft in zijn nieuwe bekentenis de belangrijkste onderdelen die hij toegaf tijdens een undercoveroperatie van Peter R. Van der Sloot maintains in his new confession he admitted that the main components in an undercover operation by Peter R. de Vries: dat hij aanwezig was bij haar dood en haar lichaam liet verdwijnen. de Vries: that he was present at her death and her body did disappear. Joran noemt naam en toenaam van een medeplichtige vriend, A. Joran mentions name and surname of a fellow officer friend, A. Joran stelt dat hij Natalee die nacht samen met deze, toen 20-jarige, Arubaan meenam naar diens ouderlijke woning, waar ze op het balkon cocaïne gebruikten en whisky dronken. Joran claims Natalee that night that he together with this, when 20-year-old Aruban took to his ancestral home, where she used cocaine on the balcony and drank whiskey.

"A. had de muziek net aangedaan. En, eh, hun twee hadden allebei net wat coke op." "A music had just done. And, uh, they both had just two at some coke." Natalee en A. Natalee and A. snoven de drugs van de rand van een huissleutel, stelt hij. snorted the drug from the edge of a door key, he says. Volgens Joran klom Natalee op de rand van het balkon. According to Joran Natalee climbed on the edge of the balcony. "Ze was denk ik behoorlijk bezopen, dus ze ging gewoon een beetje half striptease dansen, net als ze op stage bij Carls & Charlies aan het doen was." "I think she was pretty drunk, so she just went a little striptease dancing half, as they internship at Carls & Charlie was doing."


 http://translate.google.nl/translate?js=y&prev=_t&hl=nl&ie=UTF-8&layout=1&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.telegraaf.nl%2Fbinnenland%2F6142789%2F___Natalee_snoof_cocane_en_viel___.html&sl=nl&tl=en

Well, I didn't mean to post that just yet.  It might be easier to read if the Dutch were separated from the English?

Anyway, you MUST go to that link and see the photos of Joran.  I swear he is smirking!!!!

 ::MonkeyMad::

Maybe one of the mods will post the photos and you can see for yourselves.

Here you go Anna - I took a screen cap.  Whenever you translate an entire page in google it does that.  You can't copy and paste without it showing both the Dutch and English together. 


(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub8/JoranJapp1.jpg)

Joran is discusting

Ok, once again, I feel naive! I honestly thought she was working with us.  However, after speaking with other SM boycotters, she was not a very like person.  Can we say obnoxcius and overbearing?  I remember a story in Boston, where she brought her  daughter and the whole family and she didn't make things easy.  I took it, she was just another control freak or fame seeker.....   Thanks for the insight and opening my eyes

More on the Jaap interview here:

http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.telegraaf.nl%2Fbinnenland%2F6142799%2F___We_zijn_naar_Bubalieplas_gereden___.html&sl=nl&tl=en&hl=&ie=UTF-8

Yes, I think he is laughing and just trying to stifle it.

Anyway, this is yet a new version of events.

I am curious if more will be revealed Sunday.

Goodnight, All.

Here is one more from the Netherlands.  Maybe someone will screen capture it for me because I still don't know how to do that.


http://translate.google.nl/translate?js=y&prev=_t&hl=nl&ie=UTF-8&layout=1&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.telegraaf.nl%2Fbinnenland%2F6142794%2F__Joran__Ik_bedroog_Peter_R._de_Vries__.html&sl=nl&tl=en



Now apparently Joran is saying he and Patrick tricked Peter R deVries and planned it together to split the money.

Nite Anna - I'm right behind you  ::MonkeyCool::

http://translate.google.nl/translate?js=y&prev=_t&hl=nl&ie=UTF-8&layout=1&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.telegraaf.nl%2Fbinnenland%2F6142794%2F__Joran__Ik_bedroog_Peter_R._de_Vries__.html&sl=nl&tl=en

So enter this friend A and the swamp.  Claims he drew a map to where they left Natalee.

Well, it will be some early morning reading for the early bird Monkeys!

Think that is all for now.

Niters, again!

The boy who cried wolf.   This is version 3, correct? ::MonkeyMad::

lol I thought I was the only one that called her an assclown. lol
you ain't kidding, Rob!

That just made my blood run cold. Is he saying now that he took her to his house?

The announcement of the RTL5 program next sunday:

Strange, the picture disappears when I logout.  ::MonkeyEek::

Well, here's the url: http://tinyurl.com/ydubsus

Good morning Monkeys.  Thanks Tamikosmom and Magnolia for your answers.  This third story is just.......... well, I've raised my pantlegs so far they look like daisy dukes.  Balcony at the ancestral home?  WTH?  I've always felt something bad happened at the Vandersweat home.  What a little punk.  He ruins a family, an island's reputation, causes F16's to fly over, tells of how someone dies and he does not lose sleep over it.................. come on Aruba..... enough is enough.  Maybe that's how it is in Aruba - you don't lose sleep when someone dies.  I'm sorry, I shouldn't post when I am angry! 

Good Morning...

Dompig's theory (if you can call it that) was always Natalee used drugs. I have no idea, I wasn't there. I do wonder how this new theory is in line with the first investigation - what does he have that allows this conclusion? He kept saying the ocean was where it was at... so what does he have to back up any of this and if this is in-line with the first investigation, why aren't we seeing Joran arrested... and jailed for abuse of a corpse. I think Dompig lies as much as Joran.

I have no idea how they would prove rape after five years (no DNA or injuries on a corpse - I believe Natalee was raped, but I have no idea how they could prove it if they couldn't before...) ... so abuse of a corpse is probably all there is for now.

And when have you ever heard of a prosecutor saying - well, he's only gonna get six months for abuse of a corpse so we're not really interested... astonishing.

One last point... "balcony"? the Sloots don't have a balcony - it's a one level ranch style home. Do they mean 'fell off the roof'... this makes no sense ...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/02/26/AR2010022601733.html

Dutch TV to air new story in Holloway case
   

The Associated Press
Friday, February 26, 2010; 5:22 AM

AMSTERDAM -- A Dutch television station is airing an interview with the man once suspected of involvement in the disappearance of U.S. teenager Natalee Holloway, in which he again claims to have disposed of her body.

Joran van der Sloot's latest confession to be broadcast by RTL Nieuws Friday doesn't fit with known facts about the Holloway case. Van der Sloot, 22, was last seen with Holloway before her disappearance while on vacation in Aruba in 2005.

He claims in the paid interview that Holloway accidentally fell from a balcony and he disposed of her body in a swamp.

He previously told an undercover reporter that she died unexpectedly while they were kissing and he dumped her body in the ocean.

Aruban prosecutors say they lack evidence to charge Van der Sloot.

http://www.rnw.nl/english/article/natalee-holloway-fell-her-death

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub8/Joran1.jpg)

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub8/Joran2.jpg)

Falling off the balcony is an ACCIDENT... no need to hide a body over that. No need to cause an international incident.

I'm not buying any of this.  ::MonkeyNoNo::

Can't believe anything he says.   ::MonkeyNoNo::

http://www.boletinextra.com/

On the right side of this page is two video's pertaining to the Jaap interview.

When the Dutch flew into Aruba and did the interrogations they also video recorded them... (we've never seen those) - but I don't think this story is at all in line with what was said there.

Beth said that they were all blaming each other... no need to blame each other when someone falls off a "balcony"... that's just an accident and maybe the fault of the person who fell (not always, someone could be pushed... but in the case of an accident, it's really no one's fault)...

The only thing a fall from a "balcony" explains is a head injury. And we all know there is some validity there.

Exactly, Rob.        My first thought:   What balcony?

The balcony is supposedly at "a friend's" house.  Pffftt.  That Joran and "A friend" went to the friend's house.

You bring up an excellent point Rob.  Is there a balcony at the kalpoe house?  No?  Then why in the world would they even be in the running to play the blame game back in 2005?  According to this latest mocking tale by Joran, the K's weren't even there!

I agree with the Monkeys who posted before - in those pics Joran is definitely not crying.  I don't know that he's laughing, but rather trying to produce tears that ain't coming!

If you are drinking and pretty drunk and you do a line of cocaine, it sobers you up almost immediately.

It doesn't make you drunker and higher.  It levels out the alcohol effects.

No need to apologize!  The little schmuck now has Dave willing to come up with tons of dough (again) to search this latest pond.  Another one.  A second line of bull$h*t to twist the insides of Natalee's parents into knots.

I agree with you Sharon - enough is ENOUGH!!!!!!!!!  ::MonkeyMad::

I agree....BUT, just in case .....

"Falling off the balcony" ... where? Certainly not at C&C's. The Sloot home doesn't have a balcony. If this imaginary incident took place at a hotel on the island, surely others would have seen/heard something. So whose imaginary home were they at?

Something that has always stuck in my brain from way back is when one of the Kalpoe's said "she touched the pillar" as she stumbled to the door (after she had fallen down). This was in reference to when they said they dropped her off at the hotel. We know they did not drop her off there, but so many times we say there is some truth mixed with fiction/lies in the stories.

I am just rambling...

I wonder who this friend is that Joran named in this latest tale of his?  I sure hope we find out, and I have to wonder if this person he named will attempt some revenge..............especially now that Joran is back on Aruba.

van Cromvoirts are the only ones I know of that had a balcony.

And maybe Lorenzo  ::MonkeyCool::

his place in Saventa doesn't look like it has a balcony... but maybe, I'm not totally sure.

Gee - is it any surprise that Dompig is upholding this latest story from Joran?

Holloway fell over balcony, says Van der Sloot

Friday 26 February 2010

American teenager Natalee Holloway was killed after falling off a balcony at a friend's home after drinking whisky and taking cocaine, main suspect Joran van der Sloot is reported as saying in a German tv interview.

The Telegraaf, which has seen the 2.5 hour interview, says an emotional Van der Sloot made the confession in a hotel room in Dusseldorf.

Former police chief Gerard Dompig, who was involved in the initial investigation into Holloway's disappearance on the Caribbean island of Aruba in May 2005, says he believes the claim is worth further investigation.

Van der Sloot's new story fits with the time line and is very specific on the details, he told the Telegraaf.

Aruban officials have already dismissed the new statement as 'fantasy and lies'.

Whisky

In the statement, Van der Sloot says he, Natalie and another friend went to the friend's house where they took cocaine and drunk whisky.

Natalee climbed on to the edge of the balcony, he said. 'I think she was really drunk, so she started doing a sort of half strip tease, like she did on stage at Carls & Charlies,' he said.

'I walked to her to dance with her a bit, and I held her hips and when I let go she fell over the balcony.'

When the two ran down stairs, they found Natalee on the ground with a lot of blood. 'I think she hit the ground with her head first,' he is quoted as saying.

The two young men then put the body in a car and hit it in a swamp, he claims.

Alibi

The other youth has been given an alibi by his mother, the Telegraaf reports.

The new confession will be broadcast on RTL5 on Sunday night.

In 2008, Dutch tv crime journalist Peter R. de Vries claimed he had solved the mystery surrounding the girl's disappearance using a plant and a hidden camera.

During the programme, Van der Sloot told the plant, who was working for De Vries, that the girl was completely drunk and died while they were on the beach. Her body, he said, was dumped at sea.


http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archives/2010/02/holloway_fell_over_balcony_say.php

OM says the friend was alibied by his mother.  Who of Joran's friends lives with possibly only a mother - no father?

Does Freddie fit here?

in other words - with Paulus dead - somebody better start lining this pocket or I'm gonna make another mess of this case.

From Joran's Zorpia site before he changed the photo description:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub8/FreddyJaimeFriends.jpg)

Freddy's statement that is in Joran's book:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub8/FreddyStatementJoransBook.jpg)

Rob - Freddy used to live at Montanja 39F but the house/apt was for sale.  It's now called Aruba Villa Montanja:

http://arubavillamontanja.com/

http://whois.domaintools.com/arubavillamontanja.com


Why did Deepak and Satish need to return Freddy's camera?

I don't believe this map is very accurate or to scale:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub8/VillaMontanjaMap.jpg)

(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/Lorenzo/LorenzosHouse-1.jpg)

Thank you Klaas.

Didn't the K's also say "Freddy knows the truth"

Klaas - I have Freddy's house somewhere .. let me see if I can find it. It's 200 yards from the Sloots, and this is where he lived with his mother...

I'm not sure if that's in my old laptop - but I'll look. IIRC, that house looked like it could have a balcony. Also, IIRC it was two stories high.

What a load of dramatics and crap. It is funny how he always feels the need to go back to her
head wound.

* Joran isnt worried about an accidental head wound.

* Joran isnt worried about whiskey in her bloodstream.

* Joran isnt worried even if coke was in her bloodstream. (which it probably was not)

It was murder. It ALWAYS was murder... until they found out the murderer was a Van der sloot.

Then she ran away.

----

Great PR work for Aruba though, Joran. They LOVE you down there for keepin Natalees story
alive for 5 years running.

Keep up the great work!

I have this so far - still looking

(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/CARIBBEANPALMBEACH4.jpg)

(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/CARIBBEANPALMBEACH6.jpg)

(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/ARUBAPOINTSOFINTEREST1.jpg)

I have it too but having problems finding it.  Yes, it appeared to be 2 story but I don't know if it was condo or duplex or what.

(http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa118/Observer00000007/Freddyshouse2.jpg)

And he lived there with his mother?  No father there?

For some reason I think Jamie lives with his mother... No father..

(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/SLOOTJEkopie.jpg)

(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/39FMONTANJA1.jpg)

He did get one thing right, though.

Blunt force trauma to the head.


Whenever Joran dances remotely close to truth, I guess that should be considered an EVENT
worthy of global wide media attention!

I forget how it all shook out Jen... they have two house - 39 and 62... he lived in the house closest (62 Montanja) with his mother IIRC and father lived in 39...both houses are very close to each other as you can see from the maps.

I don't believe any of it.  She may have fallen trying to climb the Sloot gate, as told early on.

Max Arends' family has been on the island a long time and would probably have an ancestral home.

you made me think of something Klaas...

how come there was never a description of the camera... it was never said what make or model. Never said if it was a Canon, Olympus, Nikon... etc..

And why would Freddy have Anita's camera...

it was never said if it was a regular digital camera or a video camera.

I just hope they distinguish what was actually said while hooked to the polygraph as opposed to his before and after comments.

Who said it was Anita's? 

I could be wrong but I think ancestral is nothing more than the translation of family home.

(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/Freddy/Freddyshousecar.jpg)

Agreed Carpe.  A head wound would explain the amount of blood the FBI told Beth was in the K's car.  Even the headmaster (teacher?) stated early on Joran had told him a story containing a head wound.  That has been a constant possibility throughout.

As for the rest of it - including falling off a balcony, I'm calling BS.

It is really odd how life unfolds. Paulus tried so hard to protect Joran so he could go
on and try to put together what people consider a normal productive life.

Five years later, with the benefit of 20/20 hindsight vision, just look what he has done
with that chance.

How do you think this is all going to end? I can tell you this... but I am pretty sure you
can already see it for yourself, it is not going to be good for Joran.

The suspicions that dictated the arrest of Guido in May, 2006 were not without foundation.

Janet

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Front Page comments
66.  viet vet on December 6th, 2006 8:11 pm

Speaking of off the record comments, we were told were to find Joran at the International School on a Friday , June 2 or 3, have it in my notes. Was also told Joran hit Natalee with an aluminum baseball bat…in the head. The same man told me both stories and guess what, Joran was at the International School that day, hiding. He was sleeping over there rather than home,,, scared he was. The fine Aruba Police followed us to the school that day or maybe we would already have solved this case. Yeah Karin, a bounch of cowboys…

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2006/12/06/diario-they-went-into-panic-when-natalee-remained-passed-out/


private eye
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #714 1/20 -
« Reply #312 on: January 22, 2008, 08:43:21 PM »

While I think that was excellent logic, I think that possibly the only difference I believe is that the boys buried her by the fishermans hut, and Paulus and Co moved her without the boys knowledge because of Joran's confession and the fact the boys recorded conversation  indicate they don't know where she is now. Also, if Lorenzo is involved, maybe Guido was there only the party was at Lorenzo's?

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2532.msg331268;topicseen#msg331268


Natalee Holloway's Mother 'Guardedly Optimistic' About New Arrest
Monday, May 22, 2006

AMSTERDAM, Netherlands  —  The mother of missing Alabama teen Natalee Holloway is "guardedly optimistic" about the Dutch arrest last week of a new suspect in connection with their daughter's disappearance.

"An arrest is better than no arrest, so hopefully it will bring about something," said Beth Holloway Twitty, mentioning how there have been many supects and arrests but few answers.

Guido Wever, an Aruba national, is expected to face charges Tuesday in a Dutch courtroom connection with the disappearance of the high school senior. Wever's lawyer, Gerard Spong was expected to file a suit Monday to prevent his extradition to the Caribbean island on charges of "assisting in the murder, heavy battery and kidnapping" of the teen.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,196363,00.html

it's in a PV somewhere - anyone else remember that? or am I nuts...

If this is Natalee and I think it is. I see a head wound .
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/Video%2024/cropedomg.jpg)

I don't remember it being Anita's but I could be wrong.  I'll see if I can find out.

Thanks Klaas and Anna.

In the English translation under "new version"  the initial A is mentioned repeatedly, although not mentioned if first name or surname.

http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/6142789/___Natalee_snoof_cocane_en_viel___.html

Online translation...


AMSTERDAM - Joran of of the ditch appear have explained in its new consent emotionally and very given full details concerning its share in the death of Natalee Holloway. Has it been played really or? Joran of of the ditch say for RTL-camera' s to that he clean ship wants make and explains that he to the body of Natalee Holloway in a marsh has let disappear.

Oud-politiechef Gerald dank, which did research to disappearance, stated yesterday that the reading is appropriate really in the findings of the first research. The telegraph yesterday knowledge has integratedly taken of on video conversation taken of 2.5 hour.

The new consent took place in a hotel in Düsseldorf and Sunday evening RTL 5 is transmitted. Remake Joran happen by its violent emotions more convincing than in its first involuntary tv-biecht. Justice on Aruba would take off the consent too rapidly as a remake ' fantasia and leugens' , at least this way ex-politieman dank in a response to the conclusion of head officier godfather put Blanken.

Former the research LEADER says that the consent serious research asks. According to him is appropriate the reading in the time line. Also this time is specific of of the ditch according to him.

Thus Joran call the exact house address where Natalee died, the name of accessary and define he the car with which its body was transported. Of of the ditch maintains in its new consent the most important components which he admitted during undercoveroperatie of godfather R. freezes: that he present was at its dead and its body let disappear. Joran name name and toenaam of accessary a friend, A. Joran state that he Natalee took along that night with these, then 20 person whose birthday it is, Arubaan to his parental house, where they used cocaine on the balcony and drank whisky. " A. had put on music exactly. And, eh, their two had both exactly what coke op." Natalee and A. sniffed the narcotics of the edge of a house key, put he. According to Joran Natalee climbed on the edge of the balcony. " Them was think I considerably sloshed, therefore she will dance simply a smattering half striptease, just like them on training period at Carls & Charlies to doing was." Stretched at declaration " Then I walked up to its a smattering with its to dance… Enneh, I caught her at its hips. When I released, she slimmed of the balcony… "

During the declaration Joran of of the ditch show themselves stressful and violently emotional. " We looked at down and saw its lying there. Yes, there blood was. I think that she is firstly with its head on the ground gevallen." Then stormed both down, explains he. " Its chin was to a side and I twisted those to the other side. There was on the ground also blood. There was no life meer." Alleged accessary A. has been recently provided an alibi by its mother.

*****OK, so does anyone whose name (last or first) starts with the letter "A" have a birthday and would have been 20 yrs old on May 29 or 30th 2005?

I don't remember that Rob.  I do remember they had Anita's cell phone that night though.  And someone logged into her email account while she was still in the Neth.

Thanks, EURobert.  When you attach pictures from your hard drive, they cannot be seen when you or others are not logged in.  If you insert an image link in a post from an account like photobucket it will be visible when one is not logged in.

from RU

iquitos wrote:


i just did one on your new thread but when i got done it had been moved so my translation disappeared. they met A on the beach and went to his house for an after party. A is a small drug dealer. she fell off the balcony and died, bled. A was afraid the cops would find his dope stash if they came so they decided to take her to bubali and leave her in the reeds. they were sure she was dead. he lost his shoe there. dompig says it would fit the investigation to date and the om was too quick to dismiss it. joran was quite emotional. maybe we finally have the truth. there was blood left in A's car.

 ::MonkeyRoll::

IIRC Anita's camera along with some other things were taken from the VDS residence.  Think I remember her complaining she just had pic's of a student
trip on it. 
Of course she may have owned more than one camera.

Thanks Rob!

I remember that too, Can.  The very cursory entrance into the main vd Sloot home consisted of the removal of those things.

Thanks Buckeye.  I haven't yet seen an article that gives the reason for hiding the body being that of fear LE would find the guy's drug stash.

Has anyone else seen that one?  Or specifics that it was Bubali, and stashed in the reeds?  ::MonkeyConfused::

yes that's my recollection.  ::MonkeyJnBox::

What, no violent shaking this time??? She was lifeless after impact?

Why did the ALE feel the need to keep asking about her history of seizures? (of which, she had none)

Joran, you are losing your touch.

The drugs are making you flaccid and weak, Sporter.

But he has not lost his sick sadistic touch in vilifying Natalee at every turn! ::MonkeyMad::

FREDDY AND HIS CAMERA

NATALEE'S MOTHER

Nancy Grace - August 29, 2005

NANCY GRACE, HOST:  Thank you very much for being with us, Beth. So much happening. What do you think this means, the arrest of the Kalpoe brothers, and what do you have to tell us tonight -- Beth.

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, NATALEE`S MOTHER: Well, Nancy, I would imagine that it means that they`ve gathered new evidence to warrant this re-arrest of the Kalpoe brothers. And there`s no way you`re going to convince me that Freddy`s arrest is a coincidence. You know, I`ve seen his name surface throughout my documentation that I`ve been keeping since as early as June 15th ....

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0508/29/ng.01.htm


FREDDY'S ATTORNEY

FOX News - September 01, 2005

The Kalpoe brothers were released July 4 and rearrested last week with a friend of the three young men, Freddy Alexander Zedan-Arambatzis (search), 21.

Zedan-Arambatzis, who is not suspected of involvement in the Holloway case, is accused of taking photos of a minor female in "tempting poses" and of showing the photos to other people, said his lawyer, Diana Emerencia. He is also suspected of having unspecified "physical contact" with the girl, she said.

The Kalpoe brothers and van der Sloot are also suspected of involvement in the incident, which allegedly occurred before Holloway disappeared, Emerencia said.
 
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,168233,00.html


FAMILY ATTORNEY

At Large w/ Geraldo Rivera - August 27, 2005

BENVINDA DE SOUZA , FAMILY'S ARUBAN ATTORNEY: The rearrest of the Kalpoe brothers is based on the new facts and circumstances that in the course of the investigation have come forward. Freddy who is Joran’s best friend and neighbour is always with Joran and the Kalpoe brothers has also been arrested.  The official charges on Freddy Zedan-Arambatzis are intentionally distribute and show sexual images of a minor; intercourse with someone he knows is unconscious and sexual acts with a girl younger than 16 years.  I do believe he will remain in custody for quite some time. It is my understanding, that strategically he is a very important suspect along with Joran and the Kalpoe brothers.


JOSSY MANSUR

'Scarborough Country' - August 26, 2005

LISA DANIELS, GUEST HOST: Yes. But I just can‘t get away from the fact that the Kalpoe brothers arrested today, Freddy arrested today. It has to mean something. There has to be a master plan here. What are you hearing about that?

JOSSY MANSUR, EDITOR, “DIARIO”:  Well, if there is a master plan, we will know about it soon enough.  What I do know is that Freddy was questioned at the beginning with relations to the Natalee Holloway case. He offered an alibi, I believe, to protect Joran. And then he was released. And now he‘s arrested as a suspect of selling photographs.  Maybe they are aiming to get to him through this photo business back to the Holloway case.

DANIELS:  It definitely smells that way.  You know, if you take the prosecution‘s statement at its face, we are talking on a whole new level, the charges here.  We are talking about drugs.  We are talking about rape and we are talking about rape of many different people.  There are four guys now in custody, four best friends.  What does that tell you?
 
MANSUR:  Well, what it tells me is that, really, these four guys are friends.  They belong to the same group, these party boys that go out and prey on young, unsuspected girls or other kinds of girls also that are out to have a good time, not suspecting what they‘re in for with these predators around.

And they are—they not only appear in photographs together, but I understand that Freddy lives very near to the Joran house.  So, there is a bond between them.  There is a group that they call themselves the pimps, in which all of these participate.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9119491/


NATALEE'S FATHER

Corruption in Paradise - Dave Holloway

The Prosecutor immediate appealed the judge's decision to release the boys and the Court of Appeals had to arrange a date for hearing.  Joran's attorney announced, as a Dutch citizen, Joran would be allowed to go off to Holland to start college.  At some unknown time prior to this Freddy had been quietly released without charges being brought/

Wasn't there a party that was used as an alibi for someone/s on the night
/morning Natalee went missing?
Excuse me ...  my memory isn't what it used to be.

Joran's character witnesses.  Take your pick of "A" names but don't forget that Sander is likely short for Alexsander (Gottenbos dad name):

(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a335/my_photos_/GrandeCharWitnessPart1.jpg)

(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a335/my_photos_/GrandeCharWitnessPart2.jpg)

(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a335/my_photos_/GrandeCharWitnessPart3.jpg)

None of Jorans stories have ever explained why the body must never be found.

He is a psychological case study of epic proportions though. It is interesting how
he feels the need to kill Miss Natalee over and over again. What are we up to now?
20 different ways in a dozen different places?

You have to search a bit to find a son of a b. that is that sick.

You do not just bump in to a raging psychopath like Joran everyday.

It takes some work. Even in Aruba!

IF this is true, that in Joran's latest bogus tale they hid her body because his pal didn't want his dope stash found..............well, that for me is the simplest reason to NOT believe this story.

No way, no how do I believe Joran would have contentedly stayed in jail for those 3 months, been re-arrested 2 years later, and had his whole life run thru the wringer - all to protect his drug buddy from a drug charge?

Huh- uh.  Not buying it.

Was that Lorenzo?

[/b]

These jackasses just proof'd that I was right and van der Straaten left of part of the cell phone triangulation.

It's a great feeling to know you are right and van der Straaten is still a flaming dutchbag.

Joran had to call that house on the night Natalee died. IF THIS IS ALL EVEN REMOTELY TRUE.

come across...

Rob, I think that might be just a translation problem.  I think it means Joran gave the exact address of his pal A's house?

Yes can,

That is a requirement in every Joran fantasy. Natalee has to be a slut that was asking for it.

It makes it okay. Okay for Joran and okay for Aruba.

The sniffing cocaine off the edge of a door key... did you like that detail?

Makes a listener feel right there! Such detail. Joran probably spent an afternoon
watching DVD movies, while getting high, to pluck that little nugget out to add to
his new UNVERIFIABLE story.

Mr. Ditch, such a fine craftsman. No detail left behind, that can be checked anyway.

When you consider the May 31, 2005 witness statements regarding the fabrication of the Holiday Inn drop off  ... all three suspects implied that Natalee sustained a head injury when she fell getting out of Deepak's vehicle.  Why? 

Janet

++++++++

THE WITNESS STATEMENTS

Deepak Kalpoe – Witness Statement – May 31, 2005

I asked Joran if the girl said the Holiday Inn and Joran said yes.  I drove hereafter in the direction of the Holiday Inn and parked my car at the second column at the hotel. (?)  I heard  the car door open and turned around to see who got out.  I saw the girl got out and fell on the ground. Joran also got out of the car and tried to help the girl stand up I saw that Joran held the girl at her shoulders and started to walk in the direction of the lobby. I saw that the girl turned to Joran and pushed him away.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=328.0


Satish Kalpoe – Witness Statement – May 31, 2005

Around 01.45, we arrived at the Holiday Inn hotel. My brother parked his car at north of the two entryways which are parallel to the lobby of the hotel. The girl stepped out of the car and she fell on the ground because she was very drunk.  I saw that Joran got out of the car to help the girl. I saw that he held her under her armpits so that she could stand. After the girl was standing, she pushed Joran.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=330.0


Joran van der Sloot – Witness Statement – May 31, 2005

Around 02:00 am we had arrived at the hotel.  At the entrance of the hotel the girl opened the backdoor of the car and fell on the ground. I then went out by the same door and helped her getting up. The girl had told me not to touch her and pushed my hands away.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2876.0


GET YOUR STORIES STRAIGHT

'Rita Cosby Live & Direct' - January 12, 2006

JOHN Q. KELLY, FORMER PROSECUTOR: Paul Van Der Sloot is obviously a shameless individual. When Deepak Kalpoe gave one of his first statements to police, what he said was, “Paul Van Der Sloot advised us to get our stories straight, to not communicate by e-mail, not to use our cell phones, and to get lawyers.”

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10836208/


Nancy Grace - October 4, 2005

NANCY GRACE, HOST: ... while you were out combing the island, they called a meeting, a meeting at the pool behind the judge`s house of lawyers, the Kalpoe family, Joran Van Der Sloot, his father, for what?

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY'S MOTHER: What he was doing was helping the boys get their stories straight, Nancy. He was instructing the boys how to get your story straight. If all stories match, in 10 days you will be free.

GRACE: And what about the hard drive?

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY: Well he also told the guys once they got their stories straight to begin e-mailing this and then use your hard drive to nail an alibi.

GRACE: And not to use your cell phone.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0510/04/ng.01.html

Good Morning, Monkeys!


Read the above carefully.

It says a FELLOW OFFICER friend A.

Do you think this is a mistranslation or is it actually saying this friend was a member of Aruban LE?



.

Good points;  I have never felt such levels of disgust in my life-for the suspects or for a place.  They all make me sick.

Read the fourth paragraph.  Fellow Officer!

Fifth paragraph if you count the opener.

He looks like he has gas.

Did they pay extra for the crying? Get a refund.

Hi Anna!  I just ran it thru another translator, and came up with "officer" as well, though the first one I did was different?  So I'm not sure.

But this one (as does yours) clarifies the age of "A".  He was 20 then, and "Aruban".  But what the previous translator came up with of "A"'s birthday being that day appears to be incorrect.


by John van den Heuvel and Bert Houses
AMSTERDAM - Joran van der Sloot confession appears in his new and very emotional detail stated on his part in the death of Natalee Holloway.


Is it real or play? Joran van der Sloot said on RTL-camera that he wants to come clean and declare that I am the body of Natalee Holloway in a swamp has disappear.

Former Police Chief Gerald Dompig, who investigated the disappearance, said yesterday that reading really fits the findings of the first investigation. De Telegraaf yesterday fully aware of the videotaped interview of 2.5 hours. The new confession took place in a hotel in Düsseldorf and was broadcast Sunday by RTL 5.
New version

Joran is his violent emotions more convincing than in his first TV involuntary confession. Justice in Aruba, the confession quickly dismissed as yet another version "lies and fantasy ', says ex-policeman least Dompig in response to the finding of a chief Peter Blanken.
The former investigator says that the confession serious investigation. He fits the reading in the timeline. Also, Van der Sloot in his time specific. So Joran mentions the exact street address where Natalee died, the name of the accomplice and he describes the car that her body was transported.
Van der Sloot maintains in his new confession he admitted that the main components in an undercover operation by Peter R. de Vries: that he was present at her death and her body did disappear. Joran mentions name and surname of a fellow officer friend, A. Joran claims Natalee that night that he together with this, when 20-year-old Aruban took to his ancestral home, where she used cocaine on the balcony and drank whiskey.
"A music had just done. And, uh, they both had just two at some coke." Natalee and A. snorted the drug from the edge of a door key, he says. According to Joran Natalee climbed on the edge of the balcony. "I think she was pretty drunk, so she just went a little striptease dancing half, as they internship at Carls & Charlie was doing."
Worried Statement
"When I went to her for a bit with her dancing ... enneh, I grabbed her by her hips. When I let go, she fell from the balcony off ..."
During the statement shows Joran van der Sloot is stressful and emotionally intense. "We looked down and saw her lying there. Yes, there was blood. I think with her head first on the ground has fallen." Then the two rushed down, he says. "Her chin was to one side and I turned to the other side. There was blood on the ground. There was no life." The alleged accomplice A. Recently an alibi provided by his mother.

its' all Dompig's original story and he's full of crap. Joran has all the statements - all the declarations and he can pick and choose which one to use next... looks like Dompig's story was next.

I have to admit - Dompig might literally be the stupidest person to ever walk the face of the earth. How this idiot made it through cop school is spell binding...

I am continually astonished by Dompig's mind numbing idiocy...

Hi ya Can.. I might remember it wrong, but I think in Freddy's PV there is something to the effect that he took Anita's camera back ...this is what got her camera confiscated - again - IIRC - it's been a while.

What is the age requirement to be a cop in Aruba? This person was just turning 20.

Good Morning, Rob.

Well, Dompig is just a mass of contradictions for sure.  He's the one insisting that Natalee was put into the ocean!

So which is it?  He can't have it both ways.

Oh, wait. . . . This is Aruba--guess he can.

 ::MonkeyMad::


So do you think Joran is naming members of LE now or is that some sort of translation error?  I will try to get a Dutchie's opinion on that LE part and report back.

To a great extent ... I believe that this "confession" reflect what actually took place on the morning of May 30, 2005.

1.  Natalee sustains a head injury at the van der sloots.

2.  Natalee was taken to the beach and was temporarily hidden in the mangrove swamp.

However ...

1.  Joran is careful to distance Deepak, Satish, Paulus and the sons of the elite from any participation.  The implication is that these three are not present.

2.  Natalee Holloway's death is not accidental but the result of foul play ... foul play that dictates a coverup rather a 911 call.

IMO

Janet

(snipped)

Joran mentions name and surname of a fellow officer friend, A

morning Anna, yeah!! this is my exact point. This guy actually managed to get fired from the Aruban Polis force... how stupid to ya have to be to have THAT happen?

and who was promoting this guy??

and I guess his security business did an EPIC fail (people who hire a security firm want something SECURED, not pilfered by a bumbling boob that might be assisting the criminals or sleeping on the job... not to mention has zero skills where security is concerned.)

and he was begging trying to get back on the polis force.

Dompig is as credible as Joran.

So is this a fellow officer who also sells drugs?   How does that work, I wonder.

funny, I find that part believable.... ::MonkeyHaHa::

anyone else... ::MonkeyTongue::

Expected  ::MonkeyCool::

I believe the officer and drugs part, just nothing coming from Joran's mouth. 

Anna, I was just about to ask the same question.

pb

Isn't it pretty reckless even for Dompig to direct a multimillion dollar search out into the ocean if he really thinks this latest is what happened? 

I don't get it.  But then he has always talked out of both sides of his big mouth.  Remember he said that he told the FBI to do their own dirty work when that's what they told him when he wanted them to dig up dirt on Beth? 

And there was one interview he gave for I think 48 hours then said the opposite to the local media?

But still, you'd think he would think twice when so much money for a search is involved.  But that has been an Aruban ploy all along.  They pretend they actually know something when they don't know squat.

JMO

And all just taken in stride as though this is normal?  No comment even from Dompig on that part?

Business as usual?

At some point he's gonna say that his accomplice is a leather-faced hag with tons of kids by multiple baba dadas... who carries a camera and a wicked case of booze breath...

wonder how funny it will be then   ::MonkeyDevil::

Apple doesn't fall far from the tree

We have just watched Anita, the grieving widow posting away on facebook making jabs at Natalee.

We have watched Paulus van der Sloot, the man Anita said was honest, smuggle a cell phone into Joran while he was incarcerated.

the list goes on..........

btw, just watching Joran giving that performance made me crack up laughing and laughing and laughing at what a bad actor he is.[/b]

So he threw her off a balcony without any witnesses... ?? She had great body harm from injury suffered prior to the throw.. Body harm .. Various Semen's.. Drugs ingested..
This is what I could believe really happened. mo.

Then he transported her dead body with no witnesses..??

Then the body was taken by others with no witnesses.. ??

 Lots of Bullcrap there Joran.

Please take another number and stand in line to try again.

Thank You.

Bringing this over from the previous thread since we are closer to the weekend  ::MonkeyCool::

Translated:

"We drove together to Bubalieplas"

From our reporters
AMSTERDAM - Joran van der Sloot's confession in his new explicit about how he has dumped her body: "We have her back, just behind the passenger seat down, and drove together to the Bubalieplas."

Joran van der Sloot and Terror Jaap. The former winner of the Golden Cage, Terror Jaap, made contact with Van der Sloot and repeatedly paid sums on Joran ...

The trip to the marshes in the north of the island occurred in panic. Earlier that night he was with Natalee on the beach accomplice A. encountered, both at home inviting for cocaine and whiskey. "Natalee wanted after kissing and cuddling on the beach not return to her hotel," he says. "A. We were at home, so I think that, uh, we both forests ..." Then Joran claims that he often took girls. "We have been with three friends rented a hotel room, and brought back so many girls. That has happened." And: "You should also remember that the island is mostly just a party ... They're just more loose."

According to Van der Sloot was the car at the gate of the house where the fatal fall occurred. After the fall he was with A. "complete tripping", said he was very emotional. "We actually sat on her, and feel everything. But she was really one hundred percent dead."

"I was seventeen and had to say about one weeks to America. It's all so quickly. Nearly half of the Netherlands thinks I'm a murderer." It also highlights his friend A. as someone who did not want Natalee to his home would be found. A. would be a small dealer in the hotels on Aruba. "We had to get her way, because it was his father's house. And he was awfully much coke in his room ... I thought we would go to jail if we did nothing." Both reason then to the marsh below, with only one entrance. He had this place near a tower, to which birds could be monitored. "We took her as far as the swamp. We are the water as far as possible by all the blades of the marsh caught up, the deepest place and sought her out there."

Bloodstain

Van der Sloot claims he was in the swamp also lost one of his shoes, who was stabbing in the mud. "I could not find him." The other threw it on the way back. On the back of the car was a bloodstain. "A. has brought me home. And I think he also has his own car cleaned, and so on, so his parents would find nothing about it."

The accomplice said the investigation into the disappearance twice as a witness. A. it always remained silent. "He has kept his mouth shut all these years, when in fact my fault ...", said Van der Sloot. Her body mass during the searches never found, Joran shall not explain. "I think I've just been lucky, lucky that I've had angel on my shoulder."

For Justice in Aruba is the highly emotional television confession, like the undercover operation by De Vries, a major dilemma in relation to the establishment. The former winner of the Golden Cage, Terror Jaap, made contact with Van der Sloot and repeatedly paid sums on Joran. In the months preceding the emotional confession was videotaped many hours of 'interviews', which hardly can be taken seriously.

Van der Sloot also took him to the renowned detective agency Schalken & Partners him to submit to the polygraph. These actions are described as judicial "null and void". The makers of RTL approached therefore additional external experts for an opinion on the value of the confession. Justice, the statement laid aside as unreliable, because Joran refuses to cooperate in further investigation. However, Van der Sloot has drawn a map where Natalee was left. Search in the swamp after years proved no more useful. Van der Sloot made the confession, his own words, because he said "would make clean sweep". "I'm not one hundred percent right in, but I know that a good decision." His father would never have been involved in crime. "My father always told me that if something had happened, I just had to tell."

http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/6142799/___We_zijn_naar_Bubalieplas_gereden___.html

That would be 8:00 EST?  I hope I remember as I would like to hear from a sane person, Dave Holloway, on this.

I'm not taking the "fellow officer" too seriously at this point.

Note the last article posted by Buckeye says this person has been questioned twice. 

When Joran's most recent "confession" distancing the Kalpoes is consider ... I cannot comprehend Gerold Dompig's response.

Janet

++++++

ARUBAN CHIEF OF POLICE - GEROLD DOMPIG

Holloway fell over balcony, says Van der Sloot
Friday 26 February 2010

American teenager Natalee Holloway was killed after falling off a balcony at a friend's home after drinking whisky and taking cocaine, main suspect Joran van der Sloot is reported as saying in a German tv interview.

The Telegraaf, which has seen the 2.5 hour interview, says an emotional Van der Sloot made the confession in a hotel room in Dusseldorf.

Former police chief Gerard Dompig, who was involved in the initial investigation into Holloway's disappearance on the Caribbean island of Aruba in May 2005, says he believes the claim is worth further investigation.

Van der Sloot's new story fits with the time line and is very specific on the details, he told the Telegraaf.

<snipped>

http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archives/2010/02/holloway_fell_over_balcony_say.php


A REMINDER

'Rita Cosby Live & Direct'

GEROLD DOMPIG: I still believe that these boys have been lying, they're still lying, and everybody knows that by now. So there's no doubt in my mind that they know something, they're guilty of something.
 
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12187266/


'Rita Cosby Live & Direct'

RITA COSBY: Do you believe, Chief—you said to me even before this interview that you believe the boys are guilty as hell. Do you believe they‘re involved in her disappearance?
GEROLD DOMPIG: Yes.

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/9910586/from/RL.3/


'Rita Cosby Live & Direct'

GEROLD DOMPIG: Joran went back and forth with his statements, and he withdrew two statements which he had already given to us. So basically, none of his statements were really trustworthy.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9727957/


'Abrams Report'

GEROLD DOMPIG: Well, it would take me, I think, a little over two days to go over all the inconsistencies. None of the stories match up, let me put it that way. So when it comes to believing this individual, we know in which category to place him.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9676188


'The Abrams Report'

GEROLD DOMPIG: I go by the rule of thumb that, in the first 40 days -- as I said in a different program -- the first 40 days, law enforcement has probably also already spoken to the perpetrators. So we feel strongly that we have already spoken to them. And there's no one else outside this group that could be involved or responsible.
 
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9676188/page/2/


'The Abrams Report'

GEROLD DOMPIG: So sometimes people will ask us that, "Are you not tunnel-visioned? Maybe you should look at other possibilities." Of course. We did that. But we still feel that, every time you go on a path, a different path, that path leads back, comes back to these three boys.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9676188/page/2/


48 Hours Mystery

Dompig says he believes Paulus Van der Sloot does know more than he has been telling about the circumstances surrounding Holloway's disappearance.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/03/22/48hours/main1430644_page3.shtml

To me..It seems like this:
Take all of the (few) tidbits of truth (to the story) that exist (or have been discovered)...
Formulate them into a different (concocted) story that encompasses these tidbits and distances real culpability of anyone involved.
Use Paulus if necessary. He is deceased and can not be held accountable.
The concocted story will be designed to minimize jail time (for those responsible) while attempting to wrap up the case.

The question remains: Will the world buy this load of shit (from the little boy who cries wolf)?
"If they find the girl's body, they will see the shit" - Probably does not refer to whiskey or cocaine.
"Your own father, unbelievable" - Paulus probably wasn't climbing the pole with her.

(http://img684.imageshack.us/img684/2470/joranintopit.jpg)

So this Friend A has been questioned twice before and may or may not be a member of LE, according to Joran?  And his mother has given him an alibi.  And he may be 20 years old or was at the the time.

Rob, at one time that AB person was identified but I can't remember who it was.

Her body mass during the searches never found, Joran shall not explain. "I think I've just been lucky, lucky that I've had angel on my shoulder."


If that doesnt open up a window as to just who you are dealing with...

You need a MED CHECK, esey! come across....

This is who he was THEN.

This is WHAT HE STILL IS TODAY.

I have been  reading............taking it all in....but I had to let you know this is the best ever description I have ever read of julia..........ohmygawd....thanks for the laughs Rob..only tjing you forgot was the fake accent

he looks deliciously kronk'd to me  ::MonkeyDevil::

If this one was ever positively identified, I missed it.  I've posted some what I considered "possibilities" as I've come across them.

http://getagripmonkey.blogspot.com/2006_04_23_archive.html

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b257/GetagripCA/Aruba/4-25-2006-casoNH.jpg)

snip:

Last Saturday, the 22nd of April 2006, police detained a male by the initials of A.B. of 20 years of age, related to the disappearance of N. Holloway. After 6 hours of interrogation, the young A.B. was set free.

snip:

Kermit!  lol...

this picture looks like he is trying to pass gas ::MonkeyKiss::

Just in SBS6 Shownews the first images of the interview JvdS with TerrorJaap: Joran crying... and crying... and crying...
Makes me curious. Can he 'act' that?

I heard who it was alleged to be.. I just don't know if it's true...

I'm hesitant to say it again.

This person was 20... but I have no idea if he was a drug dealer nor a cop. I didn't hear that before.

I agree, I laughed out loud on that one!

Can't forget that accent, whatevahhhh it's supposed to be!  ::MonkeyRoll:: ::MonkeyDevil::

Carpe's earlier post about Joran having gas had me laughing too!   ::MonkeyHaHa::

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=6448.msg1034783#msg1034783

HOW THEY HIDE HE EVIDENCE

According to Carlos,[Cumpa] while driving to Eric Mansur's home a little before three that morning, he took a shortcut, a dirt road through a vacant lot beside the Marriott. To his surprise, he found a car blocking the road. Beside the car were two large mounds of dirt. When he peered into the car, Carlos said, he recognized Joran and the Kalpoes. He said they covered their faces. He then drove on.[He] claimed he had seen Joran and the Kalpoes digging.
 
)VANITY FAIR ARTICLE)

Paulus took Joran to the Polis station after he picked him up from school.
Well, he didn't go to the Noord Polis station that he went to when Beth arrived at their home the first time. Instead he went to the Bulbai.
WHY go there when the Noord polis station is closer and he was there the night before?

Just so happend the Bulbai Polis station is next to the Wyndham Hotel.
There is some golf range on the other side.

(http://farm1.static.flickr.com/54/141418495_37ec47d4a0.jpg)


(http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/8365/birdsanctuaryog1.jpg)

The Bubali Bird Sanctuary lies only ~5km north of Oranjestad on the west coast of Aruba. Highway 1 runs along the sanctuary`s east side, a windmill (actually shipped from Holland) is on the north side, and the massive Wyndham Aruba is across the street from the northwest corner. There are several spots to check at Bubali. Going N from Oranjestad, you`ll encounter a roundabout, with the right hand (eastward) road marked to Paradera. Continue straight (north) to the first light. Turn left here, and a small sewage pond (Yes!) will be quickly visible on your right.
http://www.fatbirder.com/links_geo/america_central/dutch_antilles.html


At approximately 17.00 pm, I was dropped off by my father at the Raquet Club.
KEEP IN MIND THE RACQUET CLUB IS THAT CLOSE TO THIS AREA.See the hotels
in the background of the tennis court.

(http://img483.imageshack.us/img483/4300/image108ao5.jpg)


(http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/6993/image109xm2.jpg)

LOOK at the hotels in the background of this picture which is the playground by the Racquet Club

 "The lily pads were strong enough to hold a body down, which made searching the area mus more tedious." (Dave Holloway book)

WE BELIEVE AFTER JORAN WAS DROPPED OFF AT THE RACQUET CLUB - BETWEEN SIX AND SEVEN PM THAT JORAN WENT TO THE BIRD SANCTUARY WITH THE BAG, WEIGHTED IT DOWN, AND PUT THE BAG THAT HAD ANY EVIDENCE IN IT IN THE SANCTUARY, AND THEN HAD TO BE BACK TO THE RACQUET CLUB BY SEVEN. PLEASE TAKE NOTE OF TWO FACTORS:

1) JORAN TOOK A BAG TO THE RACQUET CLUB AND TALKED WITH KOEN, PAULUS STATES HE BROUGHT JORAN'S BAG TO HIM AT 8 PM. HOW CAN THAT BE IF JORAN ALREADY HAD HIS BAG WITH HIM? BECAUSE HE USED ONE BAG TO TAKE THE EVIDENCE TO THE BIRD SANCUTARY WHILE CALLING PAULUS AT 7 PM AND THEN PAULUS ARRIVES AND DELIVERS THE 2ND BAG WHICH JORAN JUST HAPPENS TO LEAVE BEHIND THE BAR AT THE RACQUET CLUB WHERE EVERYONE CAN SEE IT IS HIS BAG RATHER THEN PUT IT INSIDE HIS LOCKER

.2) JORAN TALKED TO DEEPAK ON THE PHONE AND WHEN DEEPAK CALLS HE TELLS HIM HE IS AT THE WYNDHAM TO COVER IF ANYONE HAS SEEN HIM IN THAT AREA - KNOWING THAT THE CELL PHONE CALL CAN BE TRACED.

THE BIRD SANCTUARY IS RIGHT NEXT TO THE WYNDHAM HOTEL... he then left the racquet club and they took the boat out to dispose of  Natalee in it




On that same trip (September), my father-in-law, Melvin Parten, accompanied me at 5:30 a.m. to the island bird sanctuary. This was where it had been reported that the cadaver dogs had some hits, but it was unclear whether it had been thoroughly searched. It is 20 acres of waist high stagnant water with lily pads, which we walked through for over three hours looking for clues about Natalie. We did not realize that the water would be so deep and that the roots of the lily pads would obstruct our efforts to cross or search the water. Not only would the lily pads obstruct our search, but we also realized that they were strong enough to hold a body down, which made searching the area much more tedious. Climbing up the bank on the grass was very difficult. Our attempts to go through the grass were almost impossible, and we felt that if someone were carrying 105 pounds, they could not have gone very far. We waded around for over three hours until the fatigue and heat set in. We knew we needed more help to clear this area. I remember hearing that Joran has lost his sneakers near McDonald's, which is right next door to the
sanctuary.[colocr=red] I almost lost my own shoes walking through the mud, so I believe that Joran's sneakers may be in there.[/color]
When my father-in-law and I were finished searching, the stench on us was so bad that we had to take the floor mats from the car to put them on the seats to sit on. We drove straight to the ocean and jumped in to clean the sewage off before going back to wash our clothes. We had to wash them them twice to get the smell out. (Dave Holloway page 57 -- )


When arrived there the silver car appeared to be there. The door at the driver’s side was open. Joran approac h ed the group, with Deepak Kalpoe at his side, and began talking to the police officer. Seeing the clothes that he had on at that moment, it did not appear that he had just before been in a casino. Afterwards Joran wanted to approach mrs. Holloway, but interestingly enough . . .


6:00 DEEPAK SAYS HE CALLS JORAN AND JORAN SAYS HE IS AT THE WYNDHAM WITH GUIDO
-this is the same time Joran said he was playing tennis, which he has admitted he wasn' t doing

why did he need to include this, that says he was somewhere in that area?
 

Deepak/Satish: Hey Joran, don't forget to distance us when you give this new story. May is coming soon...

Joran: OK, make sure you give me the million that you promised.

Yes, it does look like he's trying to grunt out more lies. Poor lad. Chip off the old PAPA.

Aruba Prosecutor: Hundreds Questioned in Natalee Holloway Case
Thursday, April 27, 2006

Police have said nothing about their latest arrest, of a 20-year-old man, identified by prosecutors by the initials A.B. He was released after six hours of interrogation on Saturday.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,193408,00.html

LOL Buckshot - Red should do another photo caption contest on the front page. ::piggy:: ::rhino::

OK so what we have so far:

1 - 20 yr old Aruban
2 - Drug dealer in the hotels
3 - At his father's house
4 - Mother alibied him
5 - Gave 2 witness statements
6 - Blood below his balcony
7 - Blood in his car
8 - Name (either first or last) begins with A
9 - Disposal in Bubali Bird Sanctuary - from the only entrance to it there is, walked as far as they could

How many statements did Freddy give?

Posting to see if there is any difference in translation:

http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archives/2010/02/holloway_fell_over_balcony_say.php

Holloway fell over balcony, says Van der Sloot

Friday 26 February 2010

American teenager Natalee Holloway was killed after falling off a balcony at a friend's home after drinking whisky and taking cocaine, main suspect Joran van der Sloot is reported as saying in a German tv interview.

The Telegraaf, which has seen the 2.5 hour interview, says an emotional Van der Sloot made the confession in a hotel room in Dusseldorf.

Former police chief Gerard Dompig, who was involved in the initial investigation into Holloway's disappearance on the Caribbean island of Aruba in May 2005, says he believes the claim is worth further investigation.

Van der Sloot's new story fits with the time line and is very specific on the details, he told the Telegraaf.

Aruban officials have already dismissed the new statement as 'fantasy and lies'.

Whisky

In the statement, Van der Sloot says he, Natalee and another friend went to the friend's house where they took cocaine and drunk whisky.

Natalee climbed on to the edge of the balcony, he said. 'I think she was really drunk, so she started doing a sort of half strip tease, like she did on stage at Carls & Charlies,' he said.

'I walked to her to dance with her a bit, and I held her hips and when I let go she fell over the balcony.'

When the two ran down stairs, they found Natalee on the ground with a lot of blood. 'I think she hit the ground with her head first,' he is quoted as saying.

The two young men then put the body in a car and hid it in a swamp where he lost a shoe, he claims.

Alibi

The other youth has been given an alibi by his mother, the Telegraaf reports.

The new confession will be broadcast on RTL5 on Sunday night.

In 2008, Dutch tv crime journalist Peter R. de Vries claimed he had solved the mystery surrounding the girl's disappearance using a plant and a hidden camera.

During the programme, Van der Sloot told the plant, who was working for De Vries, that the girl was completely drunk and died while they were on the beach. Her body, he said, was dumped at sea.

© DutchNews.nl


http://www.expatica.com/nl/news/dutch-rss-news/natalee-holloway-died-after-fall,-suspect-says_26406.html

One person that was interviewed in the preview that just aired said that Joran gave a rather detailed account of what happened: how she lay on the ground with her chin in a specific way and in a pool of blood. That made him think the interview could be more true than he first expected.

Does a bear poo poo in the woods
 ::rhino:: ::rhino::

Translated report from the investigative reporter that followed up on the story for RTL (warning:very long):

In the footsteps of a ... liar?

T he entire interview with Joran van der Sloot is RTL5 available. Roel Geeraedts cameraman and reporter John Kwant traveled to Aruba for the story to run.

Roel Geeraedts
  "Can you leave today," asked my editor. "Yes, of course. Not a day later begins a bizarre quest to Aruba. Together with cameraman John Kwant walk me step by step the story that after the interview, Joran. Is it actually true? Because we are dealing with Joran van der Sloot who says of himself a "pathological liar" to his.


Our first goal is determining where the house of the boy Joran designates as an accomplice. I have his name and address. In the interview that Joran describes about 5 minutes walk from the beach. On the map I see all that the address can not simply correct. Anyway, I walk from the beach to that house again, all in the north of Aruba. After 40 minutes walking through the sun I am. I meet an unfinished house, located on a nearby ruin and people say it so many years
assisting.

The house next to it then! Meeting the description! Maybe Joran after all these years in the wrong house number. It has a balcony (according Joran Natalee is a balcony of cases), it is a big white house. It is also for sale again! I call the agent and one days later we visited the house. John films the house and the balcony. Is this the place? No, that will emerge later, when we see that Joran has signed card. The information in the interview Joran, is false. Did he just lied again? "We have to find that house and make sure that the boy lived there", we say to each other.

It is a verifiable fact that Joran empowering. And if all that is wrong ... Do they have gone ... We literally walk the route after Joran described. We start at the spot on the beach which he says happened to Natalee have located. We walk back towards the big hotels and at Moomba Beach Bar we leave the beach. After stabbing a few minutes we see a road and a dry swamp. So far so good, it corresponds to Joran's story.

What house can it be? After hours the entire area we also have scoured the car, we keep two houses on matching the description of Joran, an "educated guess". We need security. John suggests to call the tennis club where his friend and family member. Brilliant idea. I call and ask for the address of the father of the boy. The secretary knows to tell right away that they are moved and they give me the mobile number of the mother of the boy. Aruba is so small, everyone seems to know each other.

With a pounding heart, I call her. I come up with an excuse and say I want some info on a house I might go buy and where they lived. "You used to live in Palm Beach, number 'X', right?" (a pure guess because we had two possible house numbers.). They answer: "Yes". I verify the number again. Bingo! The family of that friend of Joran, the house is sold and moved, a few months after the disappearance of Natalee. Hard evidence!

Joran with new explanations
To be sure we get to the register the notarial deed on the sale of the house (the transfer took place on November 1, 2005, the mother said she moved in October 2005). Incidentally, I ask whether in the name of the seller, the father of Joran friend, more real estate registration. You owe me a document that shows: the family had then, in 2005, two houses on Aruba.

The man who gives me the details, my passport would have to make a slip. Better not, I think. I'm afraid that someone finds out we are doing with this case. Paranoia? Yep! A little. We step back in the car, this time armed with cameras. We want pictures of the house which Joran says Natalee Holloway there life left. Where, as Joran telling the truth, snorted coke, drank whiskey, danced and fell.

Problem! The current owners, Dutch, his home. "Just" anything from the street shots is not there. I simply see no other solution than re-inventing a list. "Hello, RTL and we are working on a story about the real estate market in Aruba. Do you mind if we film the exterior of your house?".

The man takes the great house that we are filming. We praise his beautiful house. The man says that he himself has grown considerably. He invites us from within himself a way to get the swimming pool at the back run. The man says that the hotel where he looks and that is under construction, should have been much greater but that the current financial crisis makes it impossible. "Maybe now I'm very cheeky," says John, "but I would offer it here may shoot from the balcony?".

A little later I see how John is on the balcony, his camera hangs over the railing as if he himself is over. John is on the balcony from where Natalee might have fallen, if we are to believe Joran. Except that we now have to check Joran story, we also have fantastic imagery.

The Bubaliplas, Natelee here would have left by Joran and his friend. Or is it a bird, it is also the drain of Aruba. The sewage from the island is pumped in, after it is purified through a sewage treatment plant, but that does not work quite right. With the car we hit the paved road and a sandy path from a watchtower.

At night it is pitch dark here are. No one you see here. On the banks of the lake is much reeds. It is remote. Would they lie here, we ask aloud. It is a strange idea to stand in the place where Joran says he and a friend of Natalee's body has left. "As we dragged her into the swamp," says Joran literally in the interview. We are indeed in a swamp. To be safe we drive once around the lake. We save every dirt road in which we encounter. Most walking dead. We try to imagine that we ourselves want to lose a body. What would you do?

At one place, at the end of a dry piece of swamp, so you can run in the Atlantic. There you'll be visible from the road. Therefore it seems strong that this is the place to be. Want to get there, the boys first towards the south drive, then a 'u-turn' make to drive back towards the north. Illogical, but it could also, in addition: what could be more logical to what Joran did that night?


Even though the drawing is not entirely clear, hold the clues and not about Joran has lied so often: the muddy pool at the tower, the place that Joran now designates. Maybe it through the reeds to the Atlantic run. Then you have a huge hurdle to take. The reed's so close, at least one strip of 40 meter and only then reach the Atlantic. My cameraman, John, is a piece from the road and caught up the cane was barely through. Furthermore, chances are you among the welts, scratches and cuts get caught.

The next day we go back to the camera. We bought water shoes in diameter, because this visual story telling and good that we have to pee. If only because we want to know how deep that pool is. The deeper the water, the more the dung starts to smell when my feet sink. It is really dirty! If we are not spotted! Yet there is a Jeep riding. Ai. The driver looks me right in the pool and are going off again like a spear, with a cloud of dust behind him.

We are now very suspicious and afraid that someone will discover we are doing. John turns and get some shots even in those stinking puddle. I see him with the camera skims just above the water, like an iguana (Iguana as hot one here in Aruba). "Reserve-Joran. We also want to run a shot that gives an overview of the Bubaliplas. We drive to a hotel near high and ask if we may move to the roof. That may. A security guard accompanies us. He asks whether we are engaged in a topic about Natalee Holloway. Gasp! No, that's an old story, we say convincingly, "play that?".

But what appears nou: the saver from the hotel proudly tells that he was the man in a reconstruction of Peter R. de Vries, 'Joran' played! "This has then yielded much hassle. That they have used a local person, while Joran is blank," he says. How is it possible? How small is this island? We stand with reserve Joran! And filming the spot where the real Joran says Natalee that he has left!

The story lets us not loose. Already we are on the beach and see a beautiful sunset, we think much after, talking and philosophizing are merrily loose. Forgotten something? What can we check? That friend Joran now designates as an accomplice, was interrogated by the police in 2005. He had a watertight alibi. He was with his father went home and was the next morning with his brother and sister to school.


The house that we have seen, well, according to Joran was nobody there. I'm looking for an explanation. Maybe sat the whole family in another house that they have on the island? It could. It was then probably already available and perhaps the house was empty? Pure speculation, but still ...

At night I search the Web for the profiles of that friend of Joran. He writes a blog and it describes how he party, zuipt and how unhappy he is sometimes. I'm no psychologist, but what Joran says is true and you are such a secret for more than four years carry with you, you can hardly sit happiness. Like the boy's father also put many photos on the Internet. I am almost embarrassed when I complete photo albums of that family is viewing.

From the Netherlands John and I get more questions from friends and colleagues. "Where do you hang out?". We can say nothing, because that would leak the story to. This should absolutely not! We are not in Aruba! Not necessary because we are a "first" to have, but we would thus justice to the feet can walk. John and I know very well that this story is Joran. Our sole aim is to produce the RTL Nieuws as possible to report.

What a bizarre story that is yet. Although John and I have many reports have created, this is not our clothes sit in the cold. We try to make a story about a terrible human tragedy, a tragedy for Natalee and perhaps even a greater tragedy for her parents, who live in uncertainty for years. John himself has children, the story touches him: "I would go crazy if my daughter would be". We hope to start growing faster Joran finally told the truth, so one can end the search for Natalee Holloway.

Roel Geeraedts

http://www.rtl.nl/%28/actueel/rtlnieuws/blogs/blogs_overig/%29/actueel/rtlnieuws/blogs/blogs_overig/articles/26_februari_2010_1267190259357.xml

Well, he had the time to prepare, so...

Here a link to the preview: http://www.shownieuws.tv/web/show/id=186479/langid=43/contentid=148846

Freddie Alexander Arambatzis
June 12, 2005 11:05
pages 5
writer: Dennis Jacobs/Juan Boezem
description: witness statement of JVDS neighbor/friend

Freddie Alexander Arambatzis
June 13, 2005 17:00
pages 5
writer: Johny Erasmus
description: witness statement

Freddie Alexander Arambatzis
June 16, 2005 15:30
pages 8
writer: Dennis Jacobs/Marcelino Ras
description: witness statement

Freddy Zedan
June 17, 2005
pages 6
writer: Dennis Jacobs/Eric Soemers
description: witness statement

Freddie Alexander Zedan Arambatzis
June 28, 2005 14:25
pages 11
writer: Shaniro Kelly/Haydee Nadal
description: witness statement

Freddy Zedan Arrambatzis
July 1, 2005
pages 9
writer: Dennis Jacobs/Haydee Azucena
description: witness statement

BINGO!!

BUCKSHOT ... The bottom line is ... Natalee Holloway's remains ... a some point in time ...  ended up the cage/trap on the ocean floor where it remained for over 2 1/2 years until it was discovered by the Persistence and ... recovered unchallenged by the enemy who had prevented justice from prevailing since the getgo.

IMO

Janet

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KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle Kingman:  Jan 7th we sampled the contents and in my opinion we found the skirt under the sand along with the other items The blue fabric was found right where the skirt is pictured. If it isn't her, it will forever haunt me as a major cosmic WTF.


WASTE OF TIME AND EFFORT
 
"If I understood Kyle correctly, and that would be that the Arubans retrieved and possessed all finds, not sharing anything with the crew, then that effort was a waste of time and effort. The only thing it could have accomplished was to locate additional evidence for the Arubans to destroy.

Private Eye - Scared Monkeys

Oh, they cut out the images of Joran crying; probably because of the copyright. The interviewed guy also says he thinks there will not be very much left of Natalee's remains; "the van der Kouwes-girl was found after a couple of weeks and only little was left of her body".

Thank you EU Robert.

Seems like Joran has made everyone in Aruba bend over and take it.

Buckeye - thank you for posting that.

That's a lot of info actually on this "A" person.

Few points on Buckeye's article from the last page.

1. Can't be Lorenzo - his father is dead. This person has a living father - or did in 05.

2. Astrid did not move in October of 05 - she moved later - in 06 if I recall correctly.

3. Looks like Freddy to some extent because of the two houses.

4. why do these people not just bark out the name and keep playing the initial game?

5. blood on pavement - and blood other places - and no one noticed this?

EURobert

If they do not have the "evidence" to arrest him, why can they not order a psych eval and commitment until he is stable enough to tell the truth?  Why do they not take some action?

Hi Monkeys,

I check news sites off and on during the day - ABC has this latest (2nd in one week) confession from Joran as its big story. Headline:

Natalee Holloway Snorted Coke, Fell to Death, Suspect Says
Joran van der Sloots alleged new confession asserts graphic details of the night she died

http://abcnews.go.com/TheLaw/latest-confession-natalee-holloway-suspect/story?id=9954650 (http://abcnews.go.com/TheLaw/latest-confession-natalee-holloway-suspect/story?id=9954650)

Didn't Koen have an apartment, in town?  Maybe a second "family" home? 

Whose father also posts a lot of online pics?

 ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyConfused::

Posted by Poochy at GM:

This just in from a friend:

Joran said Natalee fell off of a balcony.
Van der Sloot lost his shoe in a swamp

"We drove together to Bubalie Pond"

Terror Jaap paid for admission

       Joran van der Sloot's confession in his new explicit about how he has dumped her body: "We have her back, just behind the passenger seat down, and drove together to the Bubalieplas."
 
The trip to the marshes in the north of the island occurred in panic. Earlier that night he was with Natalee on the beach accomplice A. encountered, both at home inviting for cocaine and whiskey.

       "Natalee wanted after kissing and cuddling on the beach not return to her hotel," he says. "We were at A. home, so I think that, uh, we both forests ... "Then Joran claims that he often took girls. "We have been with three friends rented a hotel room, and brought back so many girls. That has happened. "And:" You should also remember that the island is mostly just a party ... They're just more loose. "

       According to Van der Sloot was the car at the gate of the house where the fatal fall occurred. After the fall he was with A. "Complete tripping", said he was very emotional. "We actually sat on her, and feel everything. But she was really one hundred percent dead. "

        "I was seventeen and had to say about one weeks to America. It's all so quickly. Almost half of the Netherlands thinks I'm a murderer. "

       It also highlights his friend A. as someone who did not want Natalee to his home would be found. A. would be a small dealer in the hotels on Aruba. "We had to get her way, because it was his father's house. And he was awfully much coke in his room ... I thought we would go to jail if we did nothing. "

       Both reason then to the marsh below, with only one entrance. He had this place near a tower, to which birds could be monitored. "We took her as far as possible in the swamp. We are the water as far as possible by all the blades of the marsh caught up, the deepest place and sought her out there. "

   Bloodstain
       Van der Sloot claims he was in the swamp also lost one of his shoes, who was stabbing in the mud. "I could not find him." The other threw it back on the road. On the back of the car was a bloodstain. "A. has brought me home. And I also think he has cleaned his car himself, and so on, so his parents would find nothing about it. "

        The accomplice said the investigation into the disappearance twice as a witness. A. it always remained silent. "He has kept his mouth shut all these years, when in fact my fault ..." said Van der Sloot. Her body mass during the searches never found, Joran shall not explain. "I think I've just been lucky, lucky that I've had angel on my shoulder."

       For Justice in Aruba is the highly emotional television confession, like the undercover operation by De Vries, a major dilemma in relation to the establishment. The former winner of the Golden Cage, Terror Jaap, made contact with Van der Sloot and repeatedly paid sums on Joran. In the months preceding the emotional confession was videotaped many hours of 'interviews', which hardly can be taken seriously.

        Van der Sloot also took him to the renowned detective agency Schalken & Partners him to submit to the polygraph. These actions are described as judicial "null and void".

       The makers of RTL approached therefore additional external experts for an opinion on the value of the confession.

       Justice, the statement laid aside as unreliable, because Joran refuses to cooperate in further investigation. However, Van der Sloot has drawn a map where Natalee was left. Search in the swamp after years proved no more useful.

       Van der Sloot made the confession, his own words, because he said "would make clean sweep". "I'm not one hundred percent right in, but I know that a good decision." His father would never have been involved in crime. "My father always told me that if something had happened, I just had to tell."

telegraaf  (online translator used)

=====================================
 
 AMSTERDAM - Joran van der Sloot appear have explained in its new consent emotionally and very given full details concerning its share in the death of Natalee Holloway. Has it been played really or? Joran van der Sloot say for RTL-camera' s to that he clean ship wants make and explains that he to the body of Natalee Holloway in a marsh has let disappear.

Old police Chief Gerald Dompig, which did research to disappearance, stated yesterday that the reading is appropriate really in the findings of the first research. The telegraph yesterday knowledge has integratedly taken of on video conversation taken of 2.5 hour.

The new consent took place in a hotel in Düsseldorf and Sunday evening RTL 5 is transmitted.

Remake Joran happen by its violent emotions more convincing than in its first involuntary tv-biecht. Justice on Aruba would take off the consent too rapidly as a remake ' fantasia and leugens' , at least this way ex-politieman Dompig in a response to the conclusion of head officier Peter Blanken. (Dompig) Former the research LEADER says that the consent serious research asks. According to him is appropriate the reading in the time line. Also this time is specific of van der Sloot according to him.

Thus Joran call the exact house address where Natalee died, the name of accessary and define he the car with which its body was transported. van der Sloot  maintains in its new consent the most important components which he admitted during undercoveroperatie of Peter deVries: that he present was at its dead and its body let disappear.

Joran name name and toenaam of accessary a friend, A. Joran state that he Natalee took along that night with these, then 20 person whose birthday it is, Arubaan to his parental house, where they used cocaine on the balcony and drank whisky. " A. had put on music exactly. And, eh, their two had both exactly what coke op." Natalee and A. sniffed the narcotics of the edge of a house key, put he. According to Joran Natalee climbed on the edge of the balcony. " Them was think I considerably sloshed, therefore she will dance simply a smattering half striptease, just like them on training period at Carls & Charlies to doing was."

http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/6142789/___Natalee_snoof_cocane_en_viel___.html
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Alberto Groeneveldt Finally the island got afew years of rest of the Nathalee Holloway case, and here comes Joran van Der sloot right after his dads funeral..... to say " i have a third confession" is this now for real Joran? are you getting paid to keep this story alive? because you are defenitely f....ing up our island of which you are ...not a native...... now live at Nancy Grace who is exaggerating and making things way worst again....See More
Tue at 8:41pm ·
 
Julia Renfro Does.... This confession was made in March 2009... Yes, it is BS, but nothing different than all the BS that has been presented by all and everyone so far.
Tue at 8:45pm
 
Jay Gee Oh gosh, again!!!!!!
Tue at 8:55pm
 
Julia Renfro This confession was given nearly a year ago. The OM investigated it with the cooperation of forensic scientists from the Netherlands, the declared his taped account of what happened a fantasy... didn't and couldn't have happened that way. SO, the question is, why is RTL going to air a "Fantasy" of what didn't happen to Natalee? When they know that there is no evidence?
Tue at 9:06pm
 
Alberto Groeneveldt oh ok but still its too much now
Tue at 9:37pm
 
Julia Renfro who brought this out now? Joran made this interview nearly a year ago, the tape was already investigated by the authorities and deemed fantasy... Rubish... And never of interest to anyone prior to Paul's death.
Tue at 9:45pm
 
Julia Renfro Yes, everything you've seen on TV is not exactly the truth....
Tue at 9:59pm
 
Alberto Groeneveldt i am tired of all this shit
Tue at 10:04pm
 
Uka Hernandez Me 2 Alberto ban busca e guy ki of laga nan deshaci di dje ya Aruba por ta trankil y Turismo y economia ta sigui cana stabil!!!! E tin mi T%&^% yen caba mi ta tur ANSHA pa via di dje om I hate him!!!! psyco kens ey
Tue at 10:25pm
 
Esther d'Aguiar macamba stinki.....
Wed at 3:10pm
 
Tatiana Da Costa Gomez I saw Nancy Grace yesterday and its sad that such an ass get so much attention.....and it also said see how bad Nancy Grace talks about Aruba like all of us are the same as that bastard of Joran........I wish he could desapare
Wed at 4:00pm
 
Nick Heyden he better go pray for his father so he can rest in peace
Wed at 4:02pm
 
Charles Croes I Repeat: "This is a very sad situation and it will have many reprecussions and implications when it is finally solved"
Wed at 4:03pm

Jo Hepburn What a shame, this guy caused suuuuch bad press for your island! And he's not even there right now... right? so sad xx
Wed at 5:48pm
 
Guido Arends de un bagaso no se have caso!!!!!!!!!!!
Wed at 7:49pm
 
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=649675584

modified to add this pic:
(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub8/joranPath.jpg)

Natalee was brought to a party..
Natalee was raped and murdered in cold blood by a drug dealer and friends.

Arubagirl first reported this very early on right here at scared monkeys in a post called rumor.

Joran is only telling part of a story.

There was no accident .. She was murdered.

Let us not chase another shango riddle.

So has Joran agreed to show them where he put her body yet?

Andre Santos has a brother and a sister.???

Arends, relative of Sara M.  was replaced by Freddy
Freddy may have never existed in the story..Just placed there on purpose.

Let us not forget that part... 

Wasn't Freddy's mother the supervisor of the Bulbai Sanctuary?

I remember a party in Malmock or thereabouts was posted very early in the case.  It may have been on the front page......or RWV

Timeline: The last night of Natalee Holloway
Based on several certificates, records and research documents of the Aruban law enforcement agencies, and the mob of Joran describes the route, is to create a timeline. Natalee was her last night with Joran and his two friends Deepak and Satish. That is certain.

In the days after the disappearance of Natalee talk them off to give a false statement. After Joran an incriminating statement against his friend Deepak issues ( "Deepak has her raped, murdered and buried in the Fisherman's Hut"), appears at least part of the truth to be told.

Sunday, May 30


22:37 hours
Joran log home on his computer. He has been with Deepak and Satish agreed to Natalee and her friends to search Carlos' n Charlies , A popular place of entertainment in Orange City.

00:00 hours
Deepak and Satish Joran get home on. He is not quite ready to go. Leave them at 00:15 hours by car from Deepak to Oranjestad.

00:30 hours
Joran and his friends walk Carlos' n Charlie's inside. A friend of Natalee with Joran says Natalee to go dancing, because she has a crush on Joran. Natalee Joran has a Jell-O shot at, a kind of jelly with alcohol, the bar is Natalee, Joran licks the Jell-O shot from her navel.

01:00
Carlos' n Charlie's is closing. According to Joran then they drink a Bacardi 151 in a pub nearby.

01:15 hours
Joran and Natalee get into the car of Deepak. Satish is on the passenger seat. Joran and Natalee sit back. They drive away. Friends of Natalee see her in the car with the three boys. A school mate of Natalee that she still calls need to be. Natalee will continue and calls back: "I want to stay! Aruba!"

01:30
Joran, Natalee, Deepak and Satish drive to the northernmost tip of Aruba, to The Californian Lighthouse. Natalee would like to see sharks, which are not according to Joran. According to various statements of the three buses are not the way to the lighthouse, but they turn back down the hill towards the big hotels.

01:50 hours
Joran and Natalee off at the beach will be just north of the Marriott hotel. According to Joran statement they walk a bit north, until they at the Fisherman's Huts arrive. There they lie on the beach. How long is unclear




01:50 hours - 03:35 hours
What exactly has played after 01:50 hours? The interview and the new declaration of Joran, they at one point fell to the hotel from Natalee. This is a fifteen minutes walk. Just before they arrive at the Holiday Inn Hotel, They would at Moomba Beach Bar a friend of Joran encountered. Then they would join him to his house Palm Beach in the neighborhood are gone, that is ten one minutes walk from the beach.

Natalee would the balcony gesjanst and some danced with Joran, she would have snorted coke there and have fallen off the balcony. Joran mentions in the interview any time, but if what he says is true, then that between 02:15 02:45 hours have been.

One thing is certain: Joran log home at 03:35 hours on his computer, according to data provided by his ISP. He has an hour or so had time to turn the house of the friend to the lake Bubali drive (which takes one minutes or 5), the pond to catch the body and leaving home to go.




The shortest route the Bubali Plas Joran leads past the house to McDonalds, where Joran one of his shoes would have left. Joran call around 03:00 am his friend Deepak to say that his way home, walking on bare feet. It is quite a long walk from the McDonalds to Joran's house. If this reading of Joran true, it is likely that he is his friend near his house to sell.

Data from the ISP that logs Joran at 03:35 hours, via the chat his friend Deepak that he gives his home, then look what he is for football sites and 04:00 he looks two films. At 04:30 pm logs from Joran. The next morning he goes to school.

http://www.rtl.nl/(/actueel/rtlnieuws/)/components/actueel/rtlnieuws/2010/02_februari/26/verrijkingsonderdelen/tijdlijn-joran-natalee-aruba.xml


I hope this has not already been posted.  I am trying to keep up and don't recall a timeline.

It is all about the lining of pockets.  Joran van der Sloot and ... each of the networks/personalities who have publicly revealed the changing confession have mutually benefitted.  I guarantee ... if Joran does not meet an early demise ... there will be more "confessions" to following as long as Joran continues to be assured that he cannot be held legally accountable.

Janet

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April 27, 2009
 
Terror Jaap breaks his silence today over the controversial interview he had with Joran van der Sloot. De Gouden Kooi-winner talks about the special friendship he has quickly built up with Joran and how far he had voluntarily and on camera to talk about the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.

... Joran had a huge gambling debt…with someone you don’t want to be in debt with. He needed my help.  So I thought…if I ‘invest’ right now…help him then I gain some power over you…you will trust me more…and at a certain point I can ask you…we have to do this. And that’s how it happened.

http://www.shownieuws.tv/web/show/id=186479/langid=43/contentid=70993

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4918.msg787749#msg787749


Holloway fell over balcony, says Van der Sloot
Friday 26 February 2010

... Aruban officials have already dismissed the new statement as 'fantasy and lies'.

http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archives/2010/02/holloway_fell_over_balcony_say.php

 

I haven't heard anything like that. I'm afraid Joran knows that if he tells them where they can find the body they will find GHB, semen of different people and other stuff that will implicate them, as well!

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Thanks msmarple.

Janet

Julia Renfro This confession was given nearly a year ago. The OM investigated it with the cooperation of forensic scientists from the Netherlands, the declared his taped account of what happened a fantasy... didn't and couldn't have happened that way. SO, the question is, why is RTL going to air a "Fantasy" of what didn't happen to Natalee? When they know that there is no evidence?
Tue at 9:06pm


Doesnt matter ho-bag. Joran keeps talking, story keeps moving along.

Certainly I would think you could snatch a firm grasp on that concept by now, my dear.

5 years... and as long as Sporter keeps moving the chains.... Aruba will keep taking it

in the banana boat.  ::MonkeyKiss::

Wubs woo - mean it.

Tiring... isnt it?

http://www.rtl.nl/components/actueel/rtlnieuws/miMedia/2010/week08/Fri16.joranbekent.xml

vid of Joran

Here btw is a link to the Dutch satirical blog GeenStijl.nl. On the Telegraaf article this morning.
Hope you can see the funny stuff of that - translated - post: http://tinyurl.com/yda785y

But he basically implicates and tells the name of his accomplice, house, etc because in that other article those reporters, John go online and check out this accomplice. Deepak said that they dropped him at the beach. So how does this fit Deepak & Satish's statements if they all went to a party at this friends house?

Something doesn't make sense to me.

And who is this witness who has an online blog?

And his father was in the picture back in 2005.

Mmmmmmmmm this is really stretching my memory, but I thought she worked at that hotel that had recently closed?  Alegro or something?  And was currently unemployed?

Thank you EURobert for helping with your posts. That is very interesting.

http://www.rtl.nl/components/actueel/rtlnieuws/miMedia/2010/week08/Fri16.joranbekent.xml

Vid with Dutch reporter showing the house!

I was having a problem watching the video on the Dutch website, it kept buffering, so I copied it and put it in photobucket.  Here is the preview of the Jaap interview with Joran:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub8/th_C244B703_Fri16joranbekentMiMedia_WM.jpg) (http://s118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub8/?action=view&current=C244B703_Fri16joranbekentMiMedia_WM.flv)

Mmmmmmmmm this is really stretching my memory, but I thought she worked at that hotel that had recently closed?  Alegro or something?  And was currently unemployed?
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BLONDE if you're around - you probably have that information. Didn't Freddy's mom work as a supervisor at the Bulbai - was it the Bulbai racquet club or sanctuary?

I stand with the frog!

Big thank you to you EURobert for all you contribute. ::MonkeyCool::

"... The OM (publ.pros.) will search the marsh only when Joran points to the exact spot where he dumped Natalee's body ..."

Anna - I can't watch that video, it shuts down on me.  I've posted the first one I saw but I don't see the house it in?

Thank you Anna, I'm watching now.

Yes and it's Andre Dos Santos. 

Klaas, the house is just in the second video.  Then the reporter actually wades out in the swamp!  I think the site is too busy right now.

A.B. was arrested and questioned in April, 2006.  According to the Dr. Phil log ... Freddy was not interrogated in April, 2006.

Janet

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PRIVILEGE LOG: CONTENTS OF ARUBAN COUNSEL'S CRIMINALL FILE

Kalpoe v. McGraw, et al.
Case Number: BC3 63401

Name: loran van der Sloot & Freddy Arambatzis
Date; 13 June 2005118:30
Pages: 2
Writer/lnitiator: Dennis Jacobs I Juan Boezem
Description: transcript of a face to face meeting

Name: Freddy Alexander Arambatzis
Date: 12 June 2005 / 11:05
Pages: 5
Writer/Initiator: Dennis Jacobs & Juan Boezem
Description: witness statement of Joran van der Sloot's neighbor/friend

Name: Freddy Alexander Arambaizis
Date: 13 June 2005 / 17:00
Pages: 5
Writer/Initiator. Johny Erasmus
Description: witness statement

+ Name: Freddy Alexander Arambatzis
Date: 16 June 2005115:30
Pages: 8
Writer/Initiator: Dennis Jacobs & Marcelino Ras
Description: witness statement

Name: Freddy Alexander Zedan Arambatzis
Date:28 June 2005 / 14:25
Pages: 11
Writer/Initiator: Shaniro Kelly & Haydee Nadal
Description: witness statement

Name: Freddy Zedan Arrambatzis
Date: 1 July 2005
Pages: 9
Writer/Initiator: Dennis Jacobs & Haydee Azucena
Description: witness statement

Name: Freddy Zedan Arrambatzis
Date:20 July 2005
Pages: 4
Writer/Initiator: Dennis Jacobs, Eric Soemers
Description: witness statement

Name: Freddy Alenxander Arambatzis
Date: 10 February 2006/17:15
63
Pages: 5
Writer/Initiator: Dennis Jacobs /Eric Soemers
Description: interrogation of a suspect
Responsive to Request 41

There are now three different clips of the show posted in the 'catalogue'.

ARAMBATZIS-RODRIGUEZ ALBERT LILIAN REGINA MONTANJA 39-F


Freddy's mom is a "Supervisory Director" for the Bubali Sports Club located in Noord. Bubali is also the location of the Bird Sanctuary which has 2 ponds.
Here is the complete name of Freddy's mom: Freddy's mom is a "Supervisory Director" for the Bubali Sports Club located in Noord. Bubali is also the location of the Bird Sanctuary which has 2 ponds.
Here is the complete name of Freddy's mom:
LILIAN REGINA ARAMBATZIS-RODRIGUEZ ALBERT
It appears that she has been married twice. I don't know if Rodriguez or Albert is her maiden name. Since she is listed as being "Dutch" I would think that "Albert" was probably her maiden name....but, I am not sure. Can anybody help me out on this?
I have always thought "Zedan" was Freddy's last name until I found this other info. Could it be his middle name?
You can find this information at:
http://206.48.100.138/registry/registry_search.afp
Type in: S.C. BUBALI where it says TRADE NAME & then click search.

Thanks Anna!  Not sure we've ever seen that house before?

House with balcony where Natalee supposedly fell:
(http://balkon)

It's the one that will show a length of 5:04.

(http://img684.imageshack.us/img684/1322/housenataleefellaccordi.jpg)

Thank you EURobert!

(http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/108/bubalipass.jpg)

Thanks kerm.

I know Natalee wasn't very tall, but is there any way she could have been standing on that balcony, and NOT hit her head?  In fact, just judging by using proportions of the rest of the house - could she even have been standing upright on it at all?

Can anyone tell me how to add an image to a post? Thanks!

Kermit I POSTED IT FOR YOU ABOUT FREDDYS MOM

Nein. Nein. Nein.  ::MonkeyNoNo::

Have not been on in a while....has this been discussed

http://www.emerson.edu/egn/community/undergraduate/Valentijn-Van-Der-Sloot.cfm

my deer friend sent me this.


Andre Montival AOKI Dos SANTOS,

Also known as "Dre", born at Sao Paolo in Brazil, on October 15, 1986, a student at (Mon Plaisier college) and living in Palm Beach number XXX  on Aruba

The Dutch reporter who I would assume is over 6 ft went out on the balcony.  It is a regular full sized balcony.  Not sure why Natalee would have had any problem?

Thanks Carpe - glad it's not just my brain thinking no friggen way!

There's a normal door with some space above so I think there's no problem there standing on the balcony.

Sorry Anna, I was referring to the railing on the balcony.  Because surely if she was just standing on the floor of the balcony, she could never have fallen over the railing.  So the only way it would make sense is if she was standing on top of the rail.  Which I don't think she could have done.

I'm behind as usual.

They are now trying to explain the head wound.  Something we all knew from the beginning.  Why?  Are they thinking about returning her remains to her family.

Head wound = Hit in the head with a bat.

He never admits they were at his house.  It's always somewhere else (beach, car, friends house).  This all went down at the Sloots.  JMO.

EURobert,

Yes, three clips!  Very interesting and I am surprised at the amount of detail in this version of events.

I wonder what the person Joran has named has to say about all of this and about Joran now.

In the interview Joran says he tried to take Natalee by her hips to have a dance with her on the balcony; according to him she then fell over the railing.

I just really don't think so.  Normal doorway would be, what? 7' or 8' tall?  Giving the benefit of the doubt, that railing comes up at least halfway the height of the door - 3.5 - 4 ft.  Natalee was........5'4" wasn't she?

All standard doors are 6' 8" tall.

In the first clip (which starts with the two studio-hosts behind the desk) you can see that it's a rather spacial balcony; enough space to stand upright and move around.

Thanks Magnolia!  ::MonkeyKiss::

EURobert - yes, the balcony itself is spacious.  I'm talking about the height of the railing.

Because if Natalee was standing upright on the floor of the balcony itself, how in the world could she have fallen over?  That railing had to be at above waist height for her.

8 ft door with foot or two above it visible in the background.  4 ft railing plus 5 ft for Natalee--would be close but might be possible.  It's hard for a 5 ft tall person to fall over a 4 ft railing but remember the woman at the hotel whose husband said she fell over the railing and they claim people do it on cruise ships all the time.  Very suspicious to me as I have never had that happen and am almost as tall as Natalee.

If they both were on the balcony (IF!!!) Joran pushed her!

Lorenzo's house?  Could he be trying to implicate Lorenzo?  We know Astrid did sell her house.

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub8/lorenzohome3.jpg)

Forgot the link.  Sorry!
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=310.0

So now Joran unloads a whole new list of people who will be pursued relentlessly...

He could care less, he got his check.

It just makes me wonder... when will they shut his mouth for him?

Dead men tell no tales.

IF .....she could have been trying to get away

Right!  ::MonkeyCool::  Not that I believe this story, but a lift and a push would be what it would have taken to topple Natalee over that railing.

Joran said about all the previous interviews he gave that he allways for 95% told the truth.... (  ::MonkeyHaHa:: )
The OM say they don't think this new (now appr. one year old story) is not reliable.

Klaas - I don't think it's Lorenzo's house.  In the video the hotels are too close by, and this house is right near the water, with a Palm Beach address.

Precisely.

EURobert

In anything you've seen, is there a distinction made between an interview and the results of the lie detector?  Are the actual lie detector questions and answers posted anywhere?

Perhaps now?  Now while he's at Home Sweet Home.

Maybe "A" will show him just how much he appreciates Joran putting him into the middle of this.

That's certainly a possibility.  I don't believe this story from Joran, but I've always believed there was a head wound involved, and that it happened while she was trying to escape.  Wasn't it Viet Vet who told us about a baseball bat?

You might very well be right... She panicked and tried to get over the railing...

This is so fake.  What the kick in the ass is that he isn't one bit embarrassed that he tried something like this.  He enjoys it.

I have un-redacted statements.  Give me a bit and I'll see what I can find  ::MonkeyCool::

You mean the tests from this latest interview? I heard it mentioned somewhere tonight but don't know where... But from what I understood there was a polygraph test. I guess we'll see those answers coming sunday.

Thank you!!!!!  Will be interesting to see where his address is, in comparison to the surroundings of this house in the video.

My thoughts as well  ::MonkeyNoNo::

klaas - I'm so glad you posted these pix. As soon as I saw the first post with a pix of the "death house" (EURobert?) I thought OMG - Lorenzo? I remember we had photos from the drug raid on his house. If Lorenzo's is the house Joran is talking about, he's opened a huge can of worms!

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2006/09/02/natalee-holloway-investigation-dos-santos-june-20-2005-statements/

Thanks.  I am interested in the actual polygraph questions and answers. 

In respons to this interview the OM has done some investigations: according to them the falling-of-balcony story cannot be right. The guy who lives in the house has an alibi for that evening..................... From HIS MOTHER (for what it's worth)
The showhost says: theoreticly this timeline CAN make sense.

Suspect A. was turning 20? Or someone else?

He already was 20 at that time.  Yes - Supect "A".

That first translation I had stating it was his birthday appears to be incorrect, compared to other translations.

OH NO...Not Barbed-wire Lorenzo...With the ferocious dogs... ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyShocked::
If that is the case...this story is surely not going to be investigated...
The police are too afraid and unable to gain access to him (a citizen) or his property... ::MonkeyNoNo::

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_69240.php

Google translation:

ARUBA

"Natalee fell off balcony '

February 26, 2010, 12:51 (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY - After drinking whiskey and snorting cocaine from a balcony is Natalee Holloway case. She was killed instantly. Joran van der Sloot has her body afterwards with a friend in a "swamp" dumped.

This is at least the most recent version of the story of one suspect van der Sloot about the disappearance of Holloway. The confession is this Sunday by the Dutch television channel RTL 5 broadcast, but there are now more details are known.

De Telegraaf writes that Van der Sloot in his new and very emotional confession in detail told about his part in the death of the American teenager. Former Commissioner of Police Gerald Dompig, who was in charge of the investigation into the disappearance, reacts in De Telegraaf that the reading of the boy "certainly fits the findings of the first investigation. According Dompig, Van der Sloot by violent emotions are more convincing than in his first television involuntary confession in a car during informant Patrick van der Eem. Former agent Dompig finds that the Prosecution this second confession is quickly dismissed as a fabrication. He believes that the confession to serious investigation. "The reading fits into the timeline." The fact that Van der Sloot very specific in his confession, Dompig is significant. In the confession he calls the exact street address where the teenager died, the name of the accomplice and he describes the car that her body was transported.

Exactly my thoughts as well.

20 must be a popular number in Aruba.
20 times before...
20th birthday...
turning 20...

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyWink::

This house is on a street with other houses that look very much like it all in a row and Joran gives the street address.

I wonder how he can name this person, this house, and not be sued by this friend A for slander?

I wonder if his friend A will shoot him for slander?

Will Joran be the next Arubacide we see in the newspaper?

Maybe ALL of his friends will start thinking long and hard about when it might be their turn to get thrown under this runaway train of Joran's - and have the polis rain down on them.

I think we need clarification (on Aruban law) by Arlene Schippers...Maybe an exclusive interview (if we are lucky)...

Oh Buckshot bite your tongue!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

If I never hear that woman screeching again it will be too soon!

And besides - we wouldn't understand their system anyway.  ::MonkeyWink::

Klaas,  When you watch the Dutch vids, I think it helps if you DO NOT translate the page first.  That seems to really throw it for a loop.

At least it sort of seemed to work better on the original page not the translated one.

Anna- thank you for bringing those over.  ::MonkeyKiss::

In the clip they say this house is close to the beach and holliday inn hotel; they only had to cross a dried up marsh and a road.
Does that match with Lorenzo's house?

The only people that understand it are the ones who change it on the fly (to their benefit)...

I would hate to be responsible for writing their national book of law.
As soon as publishing finishes, they probably have to start over from scratch..
 ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyDance::

Hahaha!  Always after Lorenzo, heh heh.

No, this house is smaller and right on the street.  See the pavement right in front of it on the ground?  You can see others like it through the bushes with similar shapes and colored roof, etc.

It appears to be a new subdivision and I have wondered about the female witness who said she saw the Kalpoes driving around and around her house that night.  She was in such a development.  Then she retracted her statement.

re. the house - I haven't seen the clips. Lorenzo's house is on a relatively remote piece of property, so if there are other houses close by, it isn't the one.

In Joran's statements the name "Guido" does not enter the picture until the evening of May 30, 2005.  Think about the suspicions that warranted his detention.

Janet

+++++++


Joran van der Sloot - Suspect Statement - June 14, 2005

My tennis lesson was between the hours of 18.00 pm and 19.00 pm. According to me I was not called by anyone during that time. I had also made no calls myself. Approximately 19.00 pm, I was ready with playing tennis. I showered in the clubhouse. After I had finised showering I got dressed. I do not remember what I put on that day. I was wearing a short trousers and a T-shirt. It looked pretty nice/proper. I also wore slippers. Then I called "Andre". I do not remember his phone number. Andre lives near the Marriot Hotel. We had agreed that we would meet at the Wyndham Hotel at approximately 20.00 pm to play poker. I had then also called Guido. Guido had told me that he had to go to work. He would come later and try to enter the tournament for half time.  At approximately 19.15 pm I left on foot for the Wyndham Hotel. ....

At approximately 22.30, Guido arrived at the Wyndham Casino. Guido and myself went for a circular walk. After that Guido and myself walked to his car. His car was in the parking lot of the Wyndham Hotel. After that we drove to the Aruba Grant so that I could cash in my chips at the cashier. These were the chips that I had won earlier. Because it had turned eight o'clock earlier I had been unable to cash my chips then. Guido and myself played black jack in the Aruba Grant Casino for about 45 minutes. At the Aruba Grant I had won approximately U.S. 50,-. After that, at approximately 23.15 pm Guido and I arrived at the Radison Casino. I went to play poker. I was busy playing poker when I was called by Andre. He asked me where I was. I had told him that I was at the Radison Hotel. He told me he would come by there. Deepak had also asked me where I was. I told him that I was at the Radison Casino. Deepak told me that he would be there as soon as possible. At approximately 01.00 am Deepak came over to me. Andre was there too. I was on a roll. I played for about another hour. At approximately 02.00 am I stopped playing. I had "cashed out" my chips. Deepak wanted to go and play black jack. I didn't know why but he wanted to go to the Wyndham Casino. According to him he had no luck at the Radisson Casino. At approximately 02.30 am, Deepak and myself were walking to his car. He was there in his Honda Civic. The car was parked in the parking lot of the Radisson Hotel. Guido left to take Andre home.

Joran is rotten piece of shit.   ::MonkeyMad::

He can't tell the truth, he will never tell the truth.  He wants all of this attention and is, I'm sure, enjoying it.

He gets a sick, twisted pleasure out of reliving Natalee's death and from putting her parents and her family through the pain of it over and over again.  He likes to rub all of our noses in the fact that he knows what happened and we don't.

Joran is a rotten piece of shit.

I can't imagine it will be long before someone from Aruba puts an end to all this to save their island.  Joran deserves much much worse than even the terrible fate that awaits him.

 ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyMad::

Jorans Map.

 ::MonkeyTongue::

(http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w214/iliketoN0KTEM/fp.jpg)

Prosecutor: We need to investigate some more over at Lorenzo's. His house may provide some clues...

Dompig: His doggies may bite us. Plus, he has barbed-wire on the fence around his house. I'm scared...

Prosecutor: What?? You are the police and you are scared of a private citizen?

Dompig: I know it doesn't look good, but tell them to make up a story to get attention away from him (again)...Tell them that he doesn't have rave parties anymore and that he closed the tunnel that supposedly runs under his house to the water...

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

Buckeye - I mean the originals with the street/house number on them still.  I redacted for the ones that were posted here at SM.  I think the address is 76C but I want to be certain.  Then maybe I can find a "for sale" listing with a photo.

(http://img532.imageshack.us/img532/2668/arubahousefromtiptodave.jpg)


(http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/2668/arubahousefromtiptodave.jpg)

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This is a house investigated from a tip to Dave Holloway. If I recall it was said that they brought Natalee to this house.

I'm pretty certain it IS Andre Joran is referring to.

This from the article Buckeye posted:

The story lets us not loose. Already we are on the beach and see a beautiful sunset, we think much after, talking and philosophizing are merrily loose. Forgotten something? What can we check? That friend Joran now designates as an accomplice, was interrogated by the police in 2005. He had a watertight alibi. He was with his father went home and was the next morning with his brother and sister to school.  


PROCES – VERBAAL

We, Dennis Dominico JACOBS and Luigi Angelo Giovanni CROES, head agent and agent first class at the Korps Police force Aruba, former classified at the (Atraco team) and last mentioned district 2, explain the following at the section to multi-crime classified.

On June 20 2005, around 17:15, we interrogated, took a statement, as a witness of this man called:

Andre Montival AOKI Dos SANTOS,

Also known as "Dre", born at Sao Paolo in Brazil, on October 15, 1986, a student at (Mon Plaisier college) and living in Palm Beach number XXX on Aruba.

I, JACOBS, put on record and sounds as follows, statement given in papiamento.

<snip>

 I saw the group girls who were playing black-Jack with Joran walk by and I heard the girls say he should go to Carlos & Charlies later in the evening hours because they would like to meet him there. Joran answered for them not to worry, he would go. On Sunday, May 29, 2005 in the evening hours, after the Texas Hold'm poker Tournament  at the Excelsior casino I ran into “Elvis KELLY ", and his wife "Gladys” and we all got into my fathers pick up and drove away. My father acted as a driver for our two passengers in his green pick-up of the make Ford Ranger, license plate number "A-23793". We drove first to Wendy's Palm Beach to buy food and after we had eaten, my father dropped off Elvis and Gladys at their home. Elvis and Gladys live in the hamlet Noord. I don’t know their address but I can designate to you their house. After we dropped Elvis and wife at their home my father and I went home. I no longer remember what time we got home. I studied first and afterwards slept because I had a "physics" examination to take on Monday, May 30, 2005, from 07.30 till 10.00. I do recall that Joran asked me if I wanted to accompany him to Carlos & Charlies but I answered him that I could not go because I had an examination the next day.

On your question if I on Monday, May 30, 2005, in the night hours, after I went to sleep if anyone woke me or called me:
I will answer you no.

On Monday, May 30 2005, in the morning hours, my mother wakened me because I had to leave to take my examination. I must say that my sister "Alessandra" and my younger brother "Arthur" went with me in my father’s pick-up to school.  

<snip>

A.M. AOKI dos SANTOS

After the witness A.M. AOKI dos SANTOS read his declaration, explained he thereby persist and signed them.

Of what our, statement, on oath of office made up this warrant, has been closed and has been signed at Oranjestad on June 20, 2005.

Signed,

DD JACOBS L.A.G. CROES

No Anna, I'm not after Lorenzo, just saw a similarity. 
Many island home are similar I expect.  I know they were on the island I once lived.
 

Just look at the clip, the second one I posted and you will see the house Joran says he and Natalee were at when she died and can see the surroundings.

Well, as usual, I may be the only one but I am used to that, haha, but this seems as likely as anything we have been presented to date to me.

I hope more is revealed Sunday but I think the OM is a bit hasty in dismissing this so quickly.

Even Joran should think twice about naming a real person and location.  He can surely be sued for slander if not giving false information and obstructing justice, etc.  That is, if Aruba had a real justice system.

I am trying to think of one of the old time pimps whose name started with an "A" and who that AB was supposed to have been.  Someone told me a name and now I can't remember.  It was one we have never really discussed much.  Last name three syllables.  I will remember it eventually.

Where baby??? I'm looking. and thank you.

No it's not Astrid's house. I have photos of the inside of it too and a pool in the backyard.

Jen Andre Santos was born in October 1986 making him 18 at the time. 
I suppose Joran may not know the specific ages of his acquaintances and friends.

I agree with you San

I guess this leaves Caps and his witness about the POND out.

(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/The%20pimps/normal_Sasha_s15thB-DayPartyPart202.jpg)

Kermit,

Do any of the Caps gang have a name that starts with the letter "A"?

We have seen a picture of this house before.  It had two cars parked in front of it and one of the cars was red.

I think it was from the newspaper in Aruba........but that is all I can remember.

THANK YOU BLONDE.

When the Gardener saw Kalpoes car, it was most likely Freddy in the car, not Satish. Satish was home on the computer giving them alibi's. I believe this is where Joran stashed evidence, not a body.

Isn't it interesting how he decides to attack Natalee's family rather then grieve over his father's demise.

::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::

EURobert -

I hope you will join us during the airing - your help is the past has been appreciated. 

We all know Joran lies so his 20 is probably 18.

GVC's house I believe

wouldn't doubt it at all. 

He is like his mother.  He rather attack the wrong people then point the finger at themselves.  In his sick mind he blames Natalee and her family for what happened. He believes Natalee and Beth ruined his life.

Killing Natalee defines him. It has been his only successful accomplishment in life.

Without her - He is nothing.

Couldnt even get hired shoveling buffalo dung!

Nice lil story the shithead has wove here. Complete with a new house and a balcony story. Oh my. How clever and ingenious.

Joran must be gayer than Guido... apparently.s

he has a girl all to HIMSELF... and he's thinking whiskey and coke... riggght sure he is...

And he just "accidentally" knew what her panties looked like cause he accidentally caught a glimpse as she tumbled over the railing.

It's all entertaining, and I do find it rather amusing, but I still await his low painful murder. Maybe RTL knows when that will occur?

Does that make me a bad person - I don't THINK so.  ::MonkeyAngel::

I did notice the age discrepancy.  And also Andre is not "Aruban" either.  But considering these are Joran's words we're talking about..... ::MonkeyHaHa::

(http://img707.imageshack.us/img707/6202/jorannataleediedfromfal.jpg)

(http://img200.imageshack.us/img200/5223/balconyw.jpg)

(http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/8167/bubali.jpg)

GVC's house.....


Personally I think Joran is FOS and just throwing stuff out there based upon what was being said in the forums.

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(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub8/gvchome1.jpg)

It's Not GVC's

House from the Jaap interview:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub8/housenataleefellaccordi.jpg)

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GVC home

Well, for once I agree with ALE...this is fantasy and lies.

Look how thin that railing is!!

There's no way Natalee would've tried to stand on that balcony railing and the only way she could've ever fallen off that balcony is if Joran picked her up and threw her over it.

And....No, I do not believe that anticipating Joran's demise makes anyone a bad person.  Who was that said, "all that is required for evil to prevail is for good people to do nothing."? 

Anita and Joran deserved Paulus and vice versa.  They've proven that all over again in the last week.  Trash begets trash.  What a waste of the miracle of God-given life.  I pity them all while I await the sweet arrival of justice.  It will come.  I have NO doubt.

I just taped the back-end server of SBS6 and you're not gonna believe what I found.

Join us next week as we use a cardiac defibrillator on Junior the Crackhead as he takes on on a tour of the dump where he says Joran and he dumped the body of Natalee Holloway, the missing American Teen. Junior gives us a look at his two room cardboard box, with balcony, and indoor heated swimming pool. And then in a special follow-up broadcast, we take Gerold Dompig on a time machine travel using a car battery and jumper cables. It's a show no one will want to miss. And don't forget, we always recommend red wine for our special broadcasts. Cabernet if you have it.

What a tish hole! ::MonkeyNoNo::

oops sorry Klassend I was posting and didn't see you had posted the GVC home.

I AGREE 100% with you.

* Dropped Natalee off at HI and she fell and bumped her head
*Left Natalee on beach & she must have run away
*Natalee took drugs and was alive when he called a friend to dump her in the ocean
* Natalee sold into sex trade
* Natalee died after dancing with him at CnC by falling over a balcony at A.'s house

Remember Joran, PAPA said, "we don't talk about it."

::MonkeyHaHa::

Why are there discrepancies between Joran and Andre's statements regarding whether there were plans to meet at the Wyndham on the evening of May 30, 2005.  The truth is the truth.

Janet

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Joran van der Sloot - Suspect Statement - June 14, 2005

My tennis lesson was between the hours of 18.00 pm and 19.00 pm.  .... Then I called "Andre". I do not remember his phone number. Andre lives near the Marriot Hotel.  We had agreed that we would meet at the Wyndham Hotel at approximately 20.00 pm to play poker. I had then also called Guido. Guido had told me that he had to go to work. He would come later and try to enter the tournament for half time.  At approximately 19.15 pm I left on foot for the Wyndham Hotel. ....

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=184.0


Andre Dos Santos - Witness Statement - June 20, 2005

According to me, on Monday, May 30, 2005, in the afternoon hours, Joran sent me a message from his cell phone. ... According to me Joran me sent me a message with the question if I wanted to go to the Casa Blanco casino at the Wyndham that night. I did not answer Joran because when the message came I was sleeping.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=310.0
 
 

Joran van der Sloot - Suspect Statement - June 14, 2005

My tennis lesson was between the hours of 18.00 pm and 19.00 pm.  .... Then I called "Andre". I do not remember his phone number. Andre lives near the Marriot Hotel.   We had agreed that we would meet at the Wyndham Hotel at approximately 20.00 pm to play poker. I had then also called Guido. Guido had told me that he had to go to work. He would come later and try to enter the tournament for half time.  At approximately 19.15 pm I left on foot for the Wyndham Hotel. ....

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=184.0

I think I love that the Joran makes a mockery out of the Dutch justice system. This is what happens when you let a raping murderer go free. I hope all the dutchies are breakin' it down low and slow.  ::piggy::  you all got what you deserved...so cheers and and enjoy!

and to all you idiots on Aruba - 1000 more years of misery !!!  ::MonkeyDevil::

(http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/3857/joranconfessingnataleef.jpg)
KILLER WHALE TARGETS JORAN ---- coming up next

Like I have said (many times before)...Nothing would surprise me...

Aruba will probably start cutting deals with media outlets:
(1) This case generates alot of media attention
(2) The money generated could go towards lost tourism dollars
(3) Better in their pockets than Jorans pockets
(4) Solving the crime is not on their agenda

He also said: It must come to an end sometime, Sporter.

... but Sporter was at the 40/40 getting tipsy.

Sporter, y u no listen to daddy, huhhhh?

It does not appear that Andre's father provided a witness statement.  According to Andre ... his father accompanied him on the evenings of May 29 and 30 to the casinos.

Janet

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Andre Dos Santos - Witness Statement - June 20, 2005

On Sunday, May 29, 2005, around 16:30, I met Joran in the Excelsior casino of the Holiday Inn hotel. The moment I met Joran I was in the company of my father called "Montival SANTOS".[/color] Joran was in the company of father named “Paul” that is when my father and I met them in the “Excelsior Casino”. ....

On Monday, May 30, 2005, around 20.00, my father and I went to the casino at the Wyndham hotel to play Texas Hold’m poker.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=310.0


Kalpoe v. McGraw, et al.
Case Number: BC3 63401

Name: Arthur Santos
Date: 20 June 2005 / 19:45
Pages: 4
Writer/Initiator: Dennis Jacobs/ Luigi Croes
Description: witness statement by a friend of the Kalpoe's and Joran van der Sloot

Name: Andre Santos
Date: 20 June 2007/17:15
Pages: 7
Writer/Initiator: Dennis Jacobs / Luigi Croes
Description: witness statement by a friend of the Kalpoe's and Van der Sloot

IMO Andre is the guy described by the MB group as the Hawaiian looking guy with Joran.

His myspace:

http://www.myspace.com/andremsantos

 ::MonkeyCool::

From his photos:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub8/AndreSantosMyspace.jpg)

All the duct work in NL and Rooba cant scare that fart out of the room!

A Sporter Buzzard lingers for a lifetime. It seems to be capable of re-generating.

Ohhh... and Alberto Groenveldt is all tucker'd out from all this... poor baby... poor whittle Alberto... ::MonkeyHaHa::

he's all tired of this shit. Well, you better get used to poverty Alberto... and don't forget - break it down low and slow.  ::piggy::

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The amount of complaining .. sheesh! I don't recall all this complaining when ya'll did your protest march...

my my how the tide has turned and the sloot bit your ass like a rabid infected animal. ohh the irony. Take a pill Alberto ... you can get one at the corner of LG Smith and Havenstraat.

No Tourists for YOU. NEXT!  ::MonkeyHaHa::

(http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w214/iliketoN0KTEM/cross_eyed_girl.jpg)

ONE FUN NIGHT IN ARUBA!

First, he took me to the beach on a funny night that there were some stars and then there were no stars, then to the lighthouse because I wanted to see the sharks that arent there, then to his house, but we could only sit out front for a few minutes because we couldnt
go in, then he dropped me off at the Holiday Inn, then I went into a seizure and I am not quite
sure why that happened because I have no health problems, then he and Daury sent me out
in a boat to sell me to a pimp in Venezuela, then he and A. put on some music and stuffed a key up my nose and I threw myself over a railing.... to be continued.

You know I'm cracking up.  Over at RU they are referencing the Andre Dos Santos statement and linking to JON's (Shizaru) site where he copied our statements, then they are linking to photos at FOK forum that are from our site of Joran and his friends including Andre  ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyHaHa::  Too funny  ::MonkeyHaHa::

I saw all of that. ::MonkeyTongue::      Made me laugh too.  ::MonkeyHaHa::