Natalee Case Discussion #744 3/19 - 3/25/08

[Magnolia]

*******, Can you delete all of that garbage above Werner's PV.
I did not know it was there.
I had saved the PV and did not know I had copied all of the
other stuff.
My apologies.

[Rob]

*******, a few years ago we went to the Divi - Tamarijn area to see are friend of ours named Martin Butenweig play guitar. (He's originally from Holland but lives on Aruba and was a member of a group called Four Of Us, he's a terrific guitar player and he sends me some of his original music once in a while. He always plays in the Carnival parade) I believe this is the only time I have been to this beach.

anyway . . .

In regard to the above photo - it's hard to image someone drowning in that area as the water is like a crescent shaped cove and the water is very very calm.

People can drown in only a few inches of water and it could happen, but it's not like the under tow associated on the northern end of the island that has claimed so many lives. I wonder if the person had an underlying condition that hit and it seems like the person drown.

The way they do autopsies on Aruba - we may never know. 

[Tamikosmom]

PROCES - VERBAAL

I, Giovanni Chevalier HEYLIGER, agent first class at the Korps Police force Aruba and the Flex-Team, explain the following.

On, Monday June 30, 2005, around 15:15, I heard as witness a man who gave his name as:

John Joseph WARDLAW

born in United Kingdom on 16 February 1956, living at Montana xxxxxxxxxx, employed at the (International School). This statement was taken in English and translated by me, HEYLIGER, to Dutch and sounds as follows:

I can tell you with certainty that Joran was in school Monday, May 30, 2005. On that day he had helped with moving some school cabinets and folders, because the school is busy with moving to a new building. This may have been done in his free hours, I am not certain of this. Also I can remember that he had become on sick on two days, and he went towards the medical center, which we have at school. This was on Monday, May 30, 2005 and Tuesday, May 31, 2005 this happened. I cannot say with certainty how he leaves school or how he came. He certainly would have come by bus because his mother was absent. The only students who can come with their own vehicles to school are those who have a driver’s license. How he leaves I cannot say with certainty because I am inside when the students depart. But there is an attendance record that you can examine. If he had asked to leave it would certainly be mentioned.

This was the last week prior to final examinations and the lessons continued ordinarily.

J.J. WARDLAW

Of which by me, HEYLIGER on oath of office made up this warrant which has been closed and signed on June 31, 2005.

Signed,

HEYLIGER, G.C

Although Anita was in Holland ... I believe she was aware of everything from the getgo and ... very much the motivating strength behind the continued coverup to protect her husband and son.

Janet

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Anita Van der Sloot
On the Record w/ Greta
June 24, 2005

A. VAN DER SLOOT: You know when I asked him when I was in Holland that weekend or a week because of a family celebration and when I spoke to him the first time I was so angry, so angry with him.

"Why did you sneak out of the house?" He said, "Mom, if you would have been there, I wouldn't even have thought about it." And my husband was deep asleep. He didn't hear anything.

So, I don't think Joran is someone who would do things against the house rules often. I don't think so. He's a normal teenager. You remember how you were when you were a teenager. I remember how I was when I was a 17-year-old. Of course you try to come home a little bit later every time.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,160562,00.html


Anita Van der Sloot
On the Record w/ Greta
June 23, 2005

ANITA VAN DER SLOOT: He's very quiet. He's very shy. He doesn't like media coverage at all. And he's very much hurt by things that are happening. And as I look back — I mean, I came back from Holland Wednesday, and I was so surprised at seeing three young men — one kid, two men — involved, maybe, in the disappearance of a girl ...

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,160471,00.html

[MumInOhio]

Here's Werner's PV.  It will give you a little background before you call.

Thank You Magnolia! 

Maybe he could give us some insight as to why the IFA is listed with this group on the ISA website under links!!!(sarcasm on)

ISA Organizational Memberships:
International School Services (ISS)
Southern Association of Colleges and Schools (SACS)
Association for Advancement of International Education(AAIE)
Office of Overseas Schools of the U.S. Department of State
Nederlands Onderwijs in het Buitenland (NOB)
International Friends of Aruba (IFA)


http://www.isaruba.com/

That would be an interesting question!...the *answer* even more so...

You bet!!!

ISA, IFA and Paulus and Joran both like to drop FBI, and then there is DEA - Williams, hang on Paulus said he was FBI!

[Observer]

*******, a few years ago we went to the Divi - Tamarijn area to see are friend of ours named Martin Butenweig play guitar. (He's originally from Holland but lives on Aruba and was a member of a group called Four Of Us, he's a terrific guitar player and he sends me some of his original music once in a while. He always plays in the Carnival parade) I believe this is the only time I have been to this beach.

anyway . . .

In regard to the above photo - it's hard to image someone drowning in that area as the water is like a crescent shaped cove and the water is very very calm.

People can drown in only a few inches of water and it could happen, but it's not like the under tow associated on the northern end of the island that has claimed so many lives. I wonder if the person had an underlying condition that hit and it seems like the person drown.

The way they do autopsies on Aruba - we may never know. 

Hi Buddy..Yes it look's very calm on that beach and the chances of a adult drowning are pretty slim..Maybee the under tow was really bad yesterday?

I still think that 17 year old Kid that had a seizure and they made the mistake saying that Natalee was dead on June 4th-7th is still very fishy. That beach was not conchi where they said it was. Conchi was where the Bulgarian tourist and others have died with the big rocks and dangerous seas.

[jackb]

*******, Can you delete all of that garbage above Werner's PV.
I did not know it was there.
I had saved the PV and did not know I had copied all of the
other stuff.
My apologies.

If they wanted (some of the judges) Joran and perps prosecuted, there is enough to convict him most anywhere.  Apparently they do not, for their own selfish reasons.  It will cost them, but I guess it is better than themselves being in prison.   jackb

[Observer]

Who lost there glasses with the VCB Shirt? Why didn't they show us pictures of the Styrofoam with teeth marks on it? Why would they wait a year to question GVC?

[jackb]

What would you be looking at bo?  jb

[jackb]

What do we need to talk about bo?  j/b

[MumInOhio]

*******...this was posted in the Shango thread by vms. Thanks vms.

« Reply #3641 on: March 20, 2008, 10:56:53 AM » 

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New Arrestee in Holloway Case First Questioned By Police a Year Ago
Geoffrey van Cromvoirt, a Potential Suspect, Was Questioned in Investigation's Early Stages, ABC News Learns
April 20, 2006—


The 19-year-old man arrested last weekend as a new potential suspect in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway was first questioned by police in the earliest stages of the investigation almost a year ago, ABC News has learned.
 
Geoffrey van Cromvoirt was arrested following "chatter" generated after the Dutch equivalent of "America's Most Wanted" aired a reenactment of Holloway's disappearance, sources told ABC News. Van Cromvoirt's sister, who is a police officer, played an on-camera roll on the program, ABC News has learned.

In the Dutch reenactment, a mysterious white car follows the one Holloway is in with Joran van der Sloot, the Dutch teen long suspected in the case, the night of her disappearance. On Wednesday, a similar car was spotted parked in front of van Cromvoirt's gated home.


Investigators Return to Waters off Aruba
While van Cromvoirt faces hours of more police interrogation, Dutch and Aruban Coast Guard ships have returned to search the waters off Aruba with sonar devices.

Van Cromvoirt is being held as a possible suspect, not a witness, although van der Sloot remains the chief suspect. Van der Sloot has repeatedly denied being involved in Holloway's disappearance. Police won't say whether the two men knew each other, but van der Sloot's lawyer has said his client does not know van Cromvoirt.

Holloway has been missing since she disappeared on May 30, 2005, while on a class trip to Aruba. Van Cromvoirt worked for a private security company that patrols beaches outside Aruba's hotels. Holloway was last seen leaving an Aruba bar with van der Sloot and Surinamese brothers Deepak and Satish Kalpoe, who were held for 25 days before being released. Van der Sloot has said he left Holloway on a beach near her hotel after they had kissed.

Van Cromvoirt's family runs the security company, according to Joseph Tacopina, the attorney for van der Sloot. The company provides security for the Aruban government and private companies, including the Holiday Inn, where Holloway had been staying, he said. The company installed the security camera and patrols the beach. Van Cromvoirt was part of the team that patrolled the Holiday Inn's beach in the early hours of the morning, according to Tacopina.

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/LegalCenter/story?id=1865343&page=1
 

[Observer]

What would you be looking at bo?  jb

I am looking at evidence that I think is connected to this case,that happened shortly after may 30th and involved GVC.

[Observer]

Thanks Mum! So where is his PV from the beginning of the case? Did they question him or his father? WTH did they arrest him a year later? How can these punks sleep at night? All it takes is one phone call to relieve there conscious~!
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*******...this was posted in the Shango thread by vms. Thanks vms.

« Reply #3641 on: March 20, 2008, 10:56:53 AM »

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New Arrestee in Holloway Case First Questioned By Police a Year Ago
Geoffrey van Cromvoirt, a Potential Suspect, Was Questioned in Investigation's Early Stages, ABC News Learns
April 20, 2006—


The 19-year-old man arrested last weekend as a new potential suspect in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway was first questioned by police in the earliest stages of the investigation almost a year ago, ABC News has learned.

[MumInOhio]

Thanks Mum! So where is his PV from the beginning of the case? Did they question him or his father? WTH did they arrest him a year later? How can these punks sleep at night? All it takes is one phone call to relieve there conscious~!
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*******...this was posted in the Shango thread by vms. Thanks vms.

« Reply #3641 on: March 20, 2008, 10:56:53 AM »

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New Arrestee in Holloway Case First Questioned By Police a Year Ago
Geoffrey van Cromvoirt, a Potential Suspect, Was Questioned in Investigation's Early Stages, ABC News Learns
April 20, 2006—


The 19-year-old man arrested last weekend as a new potential suspect in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway was first questioned by police in the earliest stages of the investigation almost a year ago, ABC News has learned.

*******...I don't recall seeing anything on him being questioned before, only his Dad.

I wonder if vms does or just found this when it was being discussed last week!

[jackb]

Who lost there glasses with the VCB Shirt? Why didn't they show us pictures of the Styrofoam with teeth marks on it? Why would they wait a year to question GVC?

They threw it away after, unless my memory is not serving me, stepped on it.
J/b

[MumInOhio]

Can any of the Monkeys help as to where this might be?  TIA

quote from the Grey Whisper posts:
So Whisper...DO the Babylonians make movies? Read Dave's book- he saw one of the places Freddy works.

[jackb]

Who lost there glasses with the VCB Shirt? Why didn't they show us pictures of the Styrofoam with teeth marks on it? Why would they wait a year to question GVC?

They threw it away after, unless my memory is not serving me, stepped on it.
J/b

They well know whose glasses and shirt that is.  You can see them all over GCV's face, or the style, anyway in pictures.  People like that are just not into picking up after themselves.  He probably knew he would be picked up after, anyway.   j/b

[Pita]

Can any of the Monkeys help as to where this might be?  TIA

quote from the Grey Whisper posts:
So Whisper...DO the Babylonians make movies? Read Dave's book- he saw one of the places Freddy works.

This information can be found in Dave's book, page 52.

Summary:

Dave discusses a motel next door to the VIP Club.  He was told it was a whorehouse where you pay by the hour.  The day Dave was there he heard girls were escorted in and out of the rooms.  He also heard somebody had arrived that day with sophisticated camera equipment.  Dave said there was reason to believe that the Buddhist who Dave met at the VIP Club may have known the person or persons who were holding Natalee captive in the motel and was trying to make a deal to sell her back to him.  The authorities were investigating this.  Nothing ever evolved from it.  Dave also heard this might be the place where Freddy alleged to have taken lewd pictures of a minor girl.  Freddy denied the charge, but admitted he was present when photos of the girl in "temping poses" were taken.

[MumInOhio]

Can any of the Monkeys help as to where this might be?  TIA

quote from the Grey Whisper posts:
So Whisper...DO the Babylonians make movies? Read Dave's book- he saw one of the places Freddy works.

This information can be found in Dave's book, page 52.

Summary:

Dave discusses a motel next door to the VIP Club.  He was told it was a whorehouse where you pay by the hour.  The day Dave was there he heard girls were escorted in and out of the rooms.  He also heard somebody had arrived that day with sophisticated camera equipment.  Dave said there was reason to believe that the Buddhist who Dave met at the VIP Club may have known the person or persons who were holding Natalee captive in the motel and was trying to make a deal to sell her back to him.  The authorities were investigating this.  Nothing ever evolved from it.  Dave also heard this might be the place where Freddy alleged to have taken lewd pictures of a minor girl.  Freddy denied the charge, but admitted he was present when photos of the girl in "temping poses" were taken.

Thank You Pita...I will have to order Dave's book...I do recall this being discussed now.

[Nut44x4]

Mum.....you must read it. A wealth of information, indeed.

[Blonde]

This picture has it